What Hasidic Jews, Amish & Native Americans Know That We Don’t | Peter Santenello

YERRRR we are joined by the legend Peter Santenello today, talking about: - Peter definitely NOT being CIA - Soviet coldness - Getting naked in Finland - The Hasidic community in NYC - People that are off the grid - The border - Cultural frictions & Cannibalism - Ayahuasca and much, much more - ENJOY! Timestamps: 0:00 Close call in Pakistan & Iran 5:04 Is he CIA? Goal to see the world 6:08 Being in Syria + Ukraine 2016-2020 10:57 Live for the day + Future prospects 12:01 Soviet "coldness", Alcohol + Nakedness 16:00 The hood, Far Rockaway + Being tested 20:48 Exploring US + Hasidic Jews 22:16 Curiosity, Playing up + Locals 27:55 Talking to Hasidic Jews + The Amish 32:38 Amish community, Free spirit + Off the grid 38:22 Apathy, Looksmaxxing + Ambition & AI 46:54 "Making it", Looking easy + Disconnecting 50:59 Off grid, Needing resistance + Purpose 52:23 Sketchiness, Belle Glade, FL + Sugar industry 54:33 Ranking the Best States 59:25 Immigrants understand the greatness of America 1:03:50 Nvidia Honeypot + Will he step down? 1:11:28 Greatest version, Go travel + Georgia 1:17:36 Getting robbed + We need bidets 1:20:08 Street smarts, Conduit + Van life 1:24:44 Craziest, Eritreans + All in bubbles 1:27:55 Alaska is uncharted + Diversity 1:31:11 Hutterites + US-centric 1:33:27 Native, Disparities & Storytellers 1:37:44 Appalachian, Feeling left behind + Hoods 1:43:53 Keeping biases out + Wife editing 1:46:43 Religiosity, Paganism + Haunting spirits 1:53:57 Coca-Cola, Gifts & Sheriffs 2:00:43 The Border 2:10:01 The cartels, Journalism + Homeschooling 2:14:41 Myanmar, Slab City + Gated communities 2:18:16 Taking down videos + Naturally curiosity 2:21:26 Feeling pressure, the tunnels & E-bikes 2:24:40 Chinatown, Koreatown + NYC's cooking 2:27:28 Miami is AMERICANA, Idealogues + Pakistan is g4y 2:34:06 Generational shifts, Remove monetization + Art 2:39:21 Societal catharsis 2:40:52 Biggest Hindu temple + NYC is unique 2:45:09 Cultural friction, Puerto Ricans + C0ckf1ghting 2:50:53 The worst food + Cannibals 2:53:27 Marriage, Outsourcing + GoPro advantage 2:56:45 Ayahuasca, quitting drink + Finding his path This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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  Our guest today has taught us that all you need to gain access to the most guarded communities in the world is a disarming smile and a head like an undercover cop. While most journalists sit in studios arguing about what America is really like, this motherfucker actually goes outside, from the Amish of Ohio, to the Hasidic of Brooklyn, to the Chicanos of East LA, to the Hollers of Appalachia, from Iran to Ukraine, and all the way back to the Native Reservations of America. He's got no security, no backup, no exit strategy, just a camera curiosity and the unshakable confidence of a man who genuinely has no intention of taking advantage of you. He's what happens when you combine the thirst for

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  knowledge of Anthony Bourdain with the threat assessment of a toddler. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Peterson!

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  Wow.

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  Dude, thank you so much for being here, man.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  That's great.

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  Thank you. I'm really stoked. I've been watching your videos for a very long time. I imagine when you meet people who recognize you, they have a similar reaction.

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  Most, most, I have never had a, knock on wood, never a negative reaction.

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  I am not surprised, but I need to know.

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  Yeah.

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  Given the nature of your travels, have you ever, and maybe you didn't put it in the video, but is there a near-death experience? Is there a close call? Is there something you can share with us? Because usually you show this like beautiful, positive side of these niche cultures. It's amazing. But I can't believe there isn't a scenario where, you know.

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  Yeah. Okay, I'll give you, I'll give you two quick stories. One, Pakistan, Karachi.

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  Okay.

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  In Ljari, Ljari is the hood of Karachi, and Karachi is a rough city.

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  So it's already rough?

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  It's already rough, and then you go into the donut, interior donut of roughness.

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  Okay.

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  And, look, these are very tribal places. I'm the one dude that looks like no one else, obviously. And I'm in with a camera. And I look like a cop, as you were saying.

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  Undercover.

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  Right, undercover. So my goal was to get there, because they have a big rap culture and boxing culture deep in there. So my goal was to find the rappers and boxers.

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  Yeah.

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  Which I actually did, which was almost impossible. I was so happy about that. And then I start shooting, and all the dudes start looking at me. Like, do not get that camera anywhere near a woman. Do not have a woman in the frame. So I finally managed to get the guys rapping in front of me. He's got a rap going. And then there's a woman like coming around the backside and having to put the camera, I got this dude looking at me, this guy's coming here. And it's just like a line. A lot of these places, you're sort of on a line. You know, you overstep, it can go really bad, but the good stuff is right on that edge.

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  Right.

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  And so that would be, I mean, that's a long story, but that'd be one example. A government story would be Iran.

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  Yeah.

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  Because I've gotten in Iran twice.

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  Wow.

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  I got in as an Italian, because of Italian citizenship. So the reason being, Americans, I don't think any Americans go in there, maybe on a government tour, but they need government-minded tours.

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  Yeah.

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  So you're getting this North Korea tour, everything's great sort of tour.

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  Yeah.

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  And I got in as an Italian citizen. I had full reign to the whole country. And I was filming. And the first day, the IRCG got my phone. These dudes with the uniforms, the full camo, came by in a moped, ripped my phone. And then they were following me.

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  You're on the street at this time?

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  On the street, I was filming.

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  And they're aware of you?

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  They're aware of me, yes.

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  Okay.

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  So when I got my visa in Kyiv, Ukraine, because that's where I was living in Ukraine, I said to the Emmy, I said, "Look, I'm American. I was born in America. Any problems?" "No, you're Italian citizen." And so I went in, I wouldn't do it again. Obviously, I was a little bit younger.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  But that's how the channel started. You sort of have to take some risks to get it out there, right? What am I gonna do, smash a sandwich in New York and say, "Here's my video"?

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  What year was this, the one that you were on?

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  Uh, that was-

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  Seven years ago?

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  That was 18, my second time I shot videos was 18. And so they were following me around the whole country. I'd be at the front desk of a hotel.

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  Wow.

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  And I'd hear Farsi, "Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, American, Santenello, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da." I'd talk to the receptionist afterwards. I said, "What's going on?" They're like, "Yeah, they want to know where you're going, what you're doing." And then you hear, it gets into your head, when a government is so top-down, powerful, controls society fully.

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  Yeah.

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  In my hotel room, I hear the, the military boots come down the hall, loud stomp, they stop in front of the door. All these things race in your head. It gets inside your head.

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  It turns into paranoia, right?

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  It turns into a paranoia, and you're followed. And when those wheels lifted up out of Tehran, it was, when I landed in Kyiv, Ukraine, I felt like a-

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  I'm free.

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  Oh my God. It's the best thing ever.

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  You got Ukraine, Iran, Pakistan. Are you CIA?

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  What are you doing over there, man?

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  I'm just fringe. I've always been a little rogue, and I'm just curious. Like you're saying, it's just, when you're curious enough and you want to see around every corner, eventually you end up in Tajikistan.

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  Hmm.

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  Or Iran, or Syria.

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  Yeah.

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  Because you're like, "What's that like?" And then you hear something about this next one, "What's that like?" And I designed my life to do this.

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  Right.

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  I saved up a lot of money, went around the world for two years in my twenties, 50 countries. I saved up 20 grand. I worked nights working restaurants, days detailing cars, and I just had this goal to see the world. And that changed everything.

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  It's a great cover story.

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  Yeah.

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  You could be CIA.

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  I get it a lot, and when I was in Ukraine-

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  I'm a YouTube blogger, I have to have a camera around. You're also throwing them for a loop, because like you're in Iran watching like girls skateboard, and the IRCG is like, "What the fuck is wrong with this guy?"

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  Right. They have a great skate culture, female skate culture.

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  I saw that, I saw that video.

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  Yeah.

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  There was, there was a thing that you brought up just now about like the, I think you were in Syria, if I'm not mistaken, and you had a cabbie, and he was asking you about Bush.

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  Yes, good memory.

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  And then you were like, you were like, you were like, you know, obviously you didn't like the war in Iraq, and then once you said that to him, he really kind of opened up, and he like-

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  Well, it was interesting. Flying in from Moscow to Damascus, 2:00 in the morning, green lights, all the tops of the mosques, right?

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  Yeah.

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  Had no plan, nothing there, except getting to Damascus. And I had three weeks there. I wanted to meet Iraqi refugees, because that was 2008, they were all coming into Syria.

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  Yeah.

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  And so I got into the taxi, and the guy's like feeling me out. "What do you think of George W. Bush?" Because obviously, very tense time. I said, "Look, I'm no, I'm no fan of G-Dub. F-Bush to make him happy, right?" And he's like, "Ha-ha," and he's all excited. And I said, "What do you think of Bashar al-Assad?"

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  Yeah.

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  Their leader. And his, his jovial ways just got really serious, his jaw clenched, and he's like, "I like Bashar al-Assad." And you realize, the guy obviously hated Bashar al-Assad.

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  But-

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  But they're so controlled. You control the speech of a place, and you dominate the people. And that's the story over there. And then it went into civil war right after I left, not long after.

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  Yeah.

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  Not CIA.

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  What a coincidence. What happened to Iran, not much after you left? And what about Ukraine? Oh, oh, yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  Where are you planning to go next?

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  I was in the Renaissance period there. 16 to 20 was a great time to be in Ukraine, before the war.

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  Yes.

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  Because their visa travel opened up into Europe. You had all these young Ukrainians going to Italy, UK for the first time.

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  Yeah.

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  You'd have like a white guy starting an Indian restaurant. They were so excited with the world. They wanted nothing to do with the Soviet Union or Russia. And they were just looking west and looking to-

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  This is what, seven years ago?

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  Yeah, it was 16 to 20.

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  I was there around that time.

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  You were?

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  Yeah.

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  Where were you? Kyiv. Did you like, what'd you think?

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  It was pretty cool, man.

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  What were you doing there?

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  Checking out the museums and stuff, man.

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  You like the art?

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  The art was incredible. Incredible art.

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  You're a history book.

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  Trying to support the economies as best I could, directly. And money in the hands of the people, that's really what it's about, you know? You gotta put the money in the hands of the people, because there's corruption there. You don't want to put it in the hands of the institutions.

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  The middlemen are terrible.

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  The middlemen will take it, and then it's not getting directly to the people. But if you hand it directly to the people, they're so grateful.

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  Hey, it was, it was, yeah, it is, I mean-

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  Okay, you got me. What's the, what were you there for?

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  Literally, literally just went to hang out for a weekend. We thought it'd be interesting.

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  No way.

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  I think it was for comedy.

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  No, no, no.

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  Just to hang out.

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  We just went to hang out. Like, I think you went for prostitutes.

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  I didn't even know that there's a culture of that. Is there a culture of that?

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Oh, I must be mistaken.

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  You must be thinking of Columbia, right? That place that you like to go to.

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  I haven't been there in so long, I forgot.

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  Yeah, you're starving.

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  The food is so good down there. No, no, but I think I had some friends traveling Europe.

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  Yeah.

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  So they were already in Europe and they're like, I think we're gonna go. And then, uh, we were like, this is awesome. And I think this is after they... Is this after Crimea?

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  Yeah, Crimea was 14, 16.

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  Yeah, so this is after Crimea. And we went and it was funny, like Expedia, that's back like with Expedia when they're sending you.

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  Right.

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  And, um, they, they warned us that we were trying, they warned us. They're like, by the way, this is a, you know, there's a war zone going on. And then at the end of the warning, it was an advertisement for car rentals.

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  It's like, so war zones, so just be careful, but also like, do you need a Mazda Miata for your trip?

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  Don't rent a car in Ukraine. Did you rent one?

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  I don't even remember.

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  You gotta clean it when you're done and they're gonna hit you with something.

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  Oh, really?

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  You gotta not, not leave it clean. Actually wash it, go through a car wash, vacuum it.

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  We didn't do that.

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  Wait, really? Yeah.

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  He's still got his detailed car brain going.

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  No, my wife and I, we rented a car around the country and just had a bad experience with that. That's not every, Avis isn't gonna do that, but a lot of them. Ukraine's, uh, it's, it's really, when I went, it's just like, it's adventurous enough, but it's not Pakistan.

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  No.

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  You know what I mean? It's like, it's Western to some degree, but has these pagan roots. It's, it's different. Western Europe is somewhat boring compared to the more east you go.

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  It's like, they go west.

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  For adventure travel.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah. Yeah, they seem wild. Like, every time I see like a video from Russia, like the captions are in Russian or Ukrainian, it's going to be some type of guy almost dying. Like, just jumping off something, swinging off a building, flying off like a ramp. Like, they have like a real kind of like...

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  Live for the day. And live for the day.

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  Yeah.

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  Because you never know, and still today, you never know what tomorrow brings. I mean, you don't know anywhere, but really it's baked into the cake there.

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  Yeah.

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  You don't know what's coming.

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  Yeah.

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  So live it up. Where Americans, I'd say it's recently changed, but we were more like, hey, I'm planning this for 10 years. I wanna be doing this sort of thing. And like, we had the stability to always plan it out.

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  Well, I think people came to America for future.

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  Yeah.

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  The whole idea is about...

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  Long term.

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  Long term and how amazing your future's gonna be.

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  Hundred percent.

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  And if people don't feel future prospects, or they look at like what their grandparents are living like, they're not that stoked to see. So, yeah, it's gonna change your mindset. You're gonna go, I'm gonna fucking get after it at this club until seven in the morning.

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  Yeah.

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  And they like to get after it, too.

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  They do.

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  Yeah.

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  Did you find any like Soviet coldness? Like, we went to Moscow and like, people just wouldn't smile, really. But they were friendly, but they wouldn't smile.

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  Here's my theory behind that. In Ukraine, worst geography ever, Russia, Europe, you're smashing between. It's just that invading armies going on forever, right? So whoever looks different than you is usually burning your wife and burning your house, metaphorically speaking, right?

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  Yeah.

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  So you have to, anything that comes to...

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  What a metaphor.

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  That's a harsh metaphor, right?

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  That undercover cop is coming after right now.

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  I mean, you look at their history, it's so hardcore. Anything that came over the hills that looked different...

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  What did it do?

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  Was a threat.

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  Oh, okay.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  So it keeps very cold. That's why they're still, hey, how you doing in Ukraine? Welcome to Ukraine. You're not getting that. But once you get in beyond the shell, then they open up and are great.

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  That's, that's where I felt, I mean, it sounds so cliche, but vodka played this, this huge part in the culture. It opens them up and all of a sudden, you understand why there's all this like poetry and great emotional writing that comes out of these places. It's the Irish are like this too. If you're in Dublin during the day, it's dour.

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  Yep.

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  And then the Guinness at night, it is the most like jovial, happy, beautiful, warm place on the fucking planet.

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  Yeah.

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  So like, some cultures have, like, the alcohol has a responsibility.

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  It does. Yeah, it really. Finland, the Nordic countries.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, the Finns open up. They're, they're really stoic and cold and then they really fire open.

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  Is alcohol...

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  But you have to get naked immediately with them, which is a bit awkward if you're not into it. I was in Finland last summer.

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  That sucks.

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  You do the sauna with a bunch of guys you just met.

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  It's amazing what you can do when there's no black people in your culture. Isn't it amazing? Like, hey, let's just have...

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  Let's just pull our dicks out and hang out together.

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  Yeah, one guy from Nigeria shows up and it's like, I think we gotta change the... Become very Soviet.

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  Keep the towel on.

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  You show up to Finland and immediately...

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  I met these guys and, uh, yeah, we went out to the sauna and the sauna is the traditional hangout in the bathhouse with the guys.

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  Yeah.

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  Let it loose. But one in Rome, you know?

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  You gotta do it.

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  You gotta do it.

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  Were they packed up?

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  I wasn't looking.

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  I mean, you're gonna see it. It's like...

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  Yeah, I was really working hard not to...

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  So you were just looking up?

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  Yeah, pretty much.

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  Yeah.

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  Waistline up, trying.

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  Yeah, but there was never just like a, oh, is that, is a Finnish dick right there? Like...

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  I do that. When I'm in a foreign country, I'm looking over, I'm looking over.

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  Just to see.

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  Yeah, it's, um, it's different in that sense, though. Cause why?

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  Yeah, tell me.

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  Cause we're...

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  Tell me why.

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  We're, we're all like Jews here, right?

• 14:44Speaker 00

  We're Snips.

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  We're Snips.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  So when you see the rain cut, it looks a little awkward. You're like, that seems unnecessary, but then...

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  For natural, even.

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  Yeah.

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  I mean, yeah.

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  He's, he's...

• 14:55Speaker 03

  He's weird. The way God wanted it to be.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 14:57Speaker 00

  He's just, his dick just looks like it.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  We were made perfectly in his image and then we changed it.

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  But imagine you're in a sauna. It's like, it's already hot and all shriveled up and then now it's like...

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  It's just like the little hats they wear.

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  It's a little Banya hat.

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  Yeah, dude. All right, so fair enough. So you were just head out in the sauna and they were just like, whoa, what the fuck is that?

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  I don't think they were looking at you, no.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  It's, it's just, uh, but back to clothes now.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't wanna go down this one.

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  That is the reason that Ukraine...

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  Sorry, we got off track.

• 15:39Speaker 00

  It's just a metaphor. It's just a metaphor. This is just a metaphor, dude.

• 15:51Speaker 00

  All of this travels, this is the most uncomfortable...

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 15:55Speaker 00

  It's like, someone get me back to the hood.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  That's true. I like going into the hoods.

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  Tell me why.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Uh, they're interesting and most people are cool.

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  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Most people are just interested, you're interested in them. And you go in with it, you just, I mean, it's asking questions. I have, I have no narrative to fill in any of these videos. I just wanna learn.

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  Yeah.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  And so you learn, there's, there's pros and cons, obviously. But I do say the community in some of these hoods is pretty cool.

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  Tell me.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Everyone knows everyone. In that sense.

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  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Now, what's not cool is, uh, crime, bad habits.

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  Yeah.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Uh, nobody likes the criminals. You know, it's, it's a, it's a minority that causes most of the problems.

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  Yeah.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Oh, there's a little bit of a soul in there. I don't know how to say it.

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  Yeah.

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  I don't know.

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  Yeah.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. You're from the hood.

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  Let me tell you about it. Why you look that way?

• 16:53Speaker 01

  I'm back. It's your seating, your seating has to be going this way.

• 16:57Speaker 00

  I don't know, what do you think about where you're from?

• 17:01Speaker 00

  No, you did. Lucky guess. I was telling you outside.

• 17:04Speaker 03

  Lucky guess, Peter.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  I was telling you outside that I go to Far Rockaway. Oh, can we talk about that? You're going to Rockaway?

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm going to Rockaway tomorrow, shooting a video. Cause that's in New York, nobody knows of, I think, for the most part. You do, obviously.

• 17:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, but very few people.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  But even most Manhattanites wouldn't know of the Rockaways.

• 17:18Speaker 00

  They just know the beaches. They don't know of Far Rockaway.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you have a gated community out there, a bunch of Irish, right? Gated off, doing their own thing. Don't really want anyone in from what I've heard, but I'm getting in.

• 17:29Speaker 00

  All the way at the top.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then you have the projects.

• 17:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  And everything in between.

• 17:33Speaker 00

  The projects that are beachfront. It's a fascinating...

• 17:37Speaker 01

  You all...

• 17:39Speaker 00

  No, no, no. He gets called in these beachfront projects. They're not...

• 17:44Speaker 01

  They're back.

• 17:44Speaker 00

  There's, there's a couple of buildings.

• 17:49Speaker 00

  There are beachfront housing projects. This is the fascinating thing about New York City, Manhattan as well. There are projects lining the water.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  So, and there's a reason for this, but like the most beautiful, expensive views that exist on the planet.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  The real estate that they don't make any more of is waterfront.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 00

  And we've lined Manhattan, which is the crown jewel of, you know, human civilization with projects.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  They gave that waterfront to their best people. That's what they did.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you see, there's those projects that go forever. There's a big conglomerate of blocks. I forget what they're called.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  Projects.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, projects, but what do they have a name for?

• 18:34Speaker 00

  Oh, which one?

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Oh, Nitro.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  I mean, I've been to East New York. I've been to those.

• 18:38Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. East is.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  But yeah, like Nitro.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  But look, in the, in the hoods, everyone's been cool. I've been lucky. There's only one time I was in Compton and I was in the projects and the dude, the kid, it's the kids you gotta watch out for. The 45 year old is scared of the 15 year old. Unfortunately, that's the, the rules have changed. Back in the old Bloods and Crips days, there was order. It was like the mafia. There was top down hierarchy. Now it's the 15 year old with TikTok brain that spun out with a gun. Everyone's scared of that kid.

• 19:08Speaker 00

  That's so true.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Really? So I was in Compton and the kid brings out the gun, brings it across my face.

• 19:15Speaker 00

  What?

• 19:17Speaker 01

  But it's just a test. It's like how, if I show fear, it's over. Like I'm gonna, I'm gonna get gnawed on. I'm gonna get robbed or something. I don't think I'm gonna get shot, but I'm just like, huh, huh, cool gun. And I'm inside, I'm like, oh shit. But outside I just, you know, Iran taught me this. Or Pakistan. These are the skill, what I learned in the world, I'm bringing back to this content. So not to say I'm bulletproof or like, you know, I can't, I can't.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  You got a good poker face.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  You gotta show poker and you just gotta, you gotta operate sometimes without language. It's, it's nonverbals. It's in what I learned overseas. Cause there were times where I was stuck in the mountains of T G Kasan. I couldn't speak with anyone. You know, militia guys pulling me over. And once I made a joke with them in Russian, we're in, they got me protected. The dude with steam coming out from his beard with his AK, you have any problems, you talk to me.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  Also, I'm on the road. If you want to come see one hour of standup comedy, no more, no less, right on the dot. I finished the show one hour. If you want to come see it, I have great news. I'm gonna be in Detroit, Michigan, December 17th and 18th. I'm also gonna be in Salt Lake City in the new year, January 8th and 9th. A lot of people have been saying that, yeah, it's pretty good. So come on out to the show, Mark Yagon live. I'll see y'all there. Peace.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  My point is that stuff was like training for the hood or any awkward situation I'm in where I'm, I'm like definitely the outcast. And it could go either way. So it all ended up like, I had no idea I was gonna get into this. I wanted to show Americans the world. That fell through.

• 20:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Multiple times. And then YouTube's was, was a thing and I started in, in the world. And then the pandemic brought my wife and I back to the US.

• 21:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  From Ukraine.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  And I was thinking, what's in the US to show? I know my country, been across it a few times, lived in some different places.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Totally wrong. It's been six years head, full on sprint, you know?

• 21:14Speaker 00

  What was the first video that popped?

• 21:17Speaker 01

  That was, um, I think the Hasidic Jews in Brooklyn.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  The Borough Park one?

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so. I came back to the US and right when the money was almost out. And I'm just like, I have to make this work. And I'm telling everyone around me, hey, they're like, what are you gonna do? I'm like, I'm gonna go to New York and shoot videos with Hasidic Jews and go to the hoods and talk to people there. And they're like, yeah, cool. What are you gonna do for work? And I was like, I gotta, and it was right when it was just like, all the money was almost gone where it took off right in that month almost.

• 21:54Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Where the New York series hit because it was at a time, six years ago, there wasn't really any stuff showing the Hasidics from the inside.

• 22:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Other than just smashing them down.

• 22:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Or with the Amish necessarily.

• 22:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  In with the Amish or in the hoods. There was some stuff, but I'm just, it was somewhat novel.

• 22:16Speaker 00

  And yeah, what I've liked about watching your videos is it doesn't feel like there's an agenda going into it. You're genuinely curious.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 00

  So you're letting people, you know, you know, show you their culture, the way that they see it. Instead of like entering the place with a notion and then proving that notion.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:34Speaker 00

  Which has become very popular.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Well, that's most traditional media. I mean, for two reasons. One, I mean, we're in the times we're in, everything's ideological.

• 22:42Speaker 00

  Yes, of course.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  And two, it's like from the efficiency of shooting a story and like telling your producer, you got a story.

• 22:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  You gotta be like, here's what we're doing. This is what we're going and getting.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  And then it's gonna sell. I don't have any of that.

• 22:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  So it's like what I'm curious in, and luckily there's an audience. A lot of Americans are just fatigued at this point, I think.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  I think you're a hundred percent right.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Right? Both sides, just like.

• 23:06Speaker 00

  Exhausted.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Don't preach to me anything. If someone says something I don't agree with in front of the camera, I don't care. It's not my role to tell them they're wrong.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  You, the viewer can decide, hey, I agree or disagree.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, you just get red and a little quiet.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  You what?

• 23:21Speaker 02

  So you just get red and a little quiet when someone says something wrong.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  I don't think I put the camera on myself.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Some stuff I vehemently disagree with, but that's the point is to learn and it, I don't have to, and I'm not from that place, you know?

• 23:35Speaker 00

  As you've gotten, you know, super, super successful and popular, have people started to, to like place responsibility outside of just your curiosity on your content?

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, some people want, really wanna push you to a side.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. And just be like, you have a, you know?

• 23:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't like that. I've always been feral. I've always been independent. I don't have any fealty towards any of these people.

• 24:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  And I'm not gonna change in that sense, so.

• 24:04Speaker 03

  What about the communities that you're filming with? Now that the profile has gotten bigger, do you find that they're now like playing to the camera more? Are they, are people trying to get in on the videos because they know there's a platform? Whereas before they're like, oh, this is just a guy with a camera.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  That's the tough part. So getting the right people and the, the ingredients, just like a podcast.

• 24:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  You're, you're the cook. You need the ingredients.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  And I have to find the right people. That's gonna make the story or not. So sometimes, yeah, I filter through. I call personally. I don't have anyone do it. It's just me and my wife. So I film, my wife edits and everything, all operations are, are me. And I'm calling and I'm trying to sort of suss it out if someone's cool or what's the intention. They might be trying to sell something.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Recently I had a guy that was sort of, I don't know, pathological liar, maybe?

• 24:52Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, just like saying stuff that was totally incorrect. And luckily I did my research enough on the area and I, I scouted it out enough where I could sort of save the video. Cause I could push back and like knew what he was wrong and right on. So it's challenging.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  What was he angling? Like this particular guy?

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Just saying stuff that was totally false.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  Like to give the neighborhood a bad rap or like to push his business or something?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, bad rap, I would say. Um, but just totally fall, like blatantly false information.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Weird.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  And you, and I, I was just like, if you say one incorrect thing, anyone that knows what's going on in this area is gonna call BS and then the rest of the video is smoked.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Cause you're not credible. And look, I'm not always gonna get it right and I'm an outsider. That's why I rely on people on the inside. But it's messy.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  How do you assess like a fixer? Like the person showing you around? Like do you have a line of questioning to know if they're the real deal?

• 25:47Speaker 01

  You gotta, you gotta, you gotta feel it out. I mean, I made my mistakes. Getting, going into a place like The Rockways tomorrow. Am I saying that right? Rockaways?

• 25:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  I got a local. Two, it's Far Rock and Rockaway. So The Rockways.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  The Rockways. I got a guy that's from there.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Born and raised. And so I try to do that, the born and raised. He's got the old school accent, old school New York. He seems like a no BS type guy. But you never know until that thing is posted.

• 26:19Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Like even shoot, I don't know how, I might have the best conversations. I meet up in person, they fall sort of short.

• 26:27Speaker 00

  They get a little nervous around the camera.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Or they, they suck on the phone. I'm barely gonna do it. I'm like, I don't know, but I think so. And then they perform really well.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you need me to put a call and make sure you're safe, I got you.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  All right, all right. And then it's a lot of, half the videos are that style, meet up with a fixer. Half are, I'm going in rogue. I have a plan where I'm going, but it's the locals I meet along the way.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  How do you even find the locals?

• 26:53Speaker 01

  It's just fishing all day long.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  Like.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Hey, what's up? What's up, man? How you doing? How are things in town? And that's the beauty of America. People wanna talk.

• 27:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Like people wanna share their stories. Now I got it that far. Now are they saying something that's interesting? Okay, we got there. Now I gotta say, hey, I'm shooting a YouTube video. Are you cool being on it? And I might've gotten the best person, but they're like, nah, I don't really wanna be on it. Last thing I wanna do is shoot someone out in the streets. They speak openly about something and they don't wanna be online.

• 27:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna do that.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  So some days are better than others. New York is great. When New York's really hot, it's tough because people don't wanna stop and talk, you know?

• 27:36Speaker 02

  We're enjoying the summer, man.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  No, but when it's hot, no, when it's hot, like you're sweating so hard, you wanna get inside.

• 27:42Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. What this, what I'm saying is the more I do it, it doesn't get easier. You think the more you do something, it's easier.

• 27:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's still just an element of chance.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  So much chance.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  What about the Hasidic? They're such an insular culture that really just focuses on themselves. How do you even break into that community to then document them?

• 28:04Speaker 01

  I got it with Shlomi Zion. Zion say, Shlomi.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  He hit you up, right?

• 28:10Speaker 01

  He hit me up.

• 28:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. So he must've seen another one of your videos?

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. He was following the channel.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  And he got me in.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  And is he LeBovitch?

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Is he LeBovitch or Satmar?

• 28:22Speaker 00

  He's big furry hat.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  No, I think he's, I think he's Satmar, but he's like Satmar light. Cause he's, he's very open.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Write that down. What are those two things?

• 28:31Speaker 00

  They're the two Hasidic Jewish sects that exist in, in Brooklyn.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  They're like, they're like dozens of them, Hasidic sects.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  But those are the big ones, right?

• 28:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Satmar is gonna be the most conservative, you know, the most removed from the world, I believe.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  The most isolated as well. I was talking to Satmar guy three days ago.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  And I was, he was trying to figure out how to sell a van.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  He was like, I gotta put it on the street. I gotta put a sign up. I was like, you should use Facebook Marketplace.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  And he goes, what is that? And I was like, oh yeah, he doesn't know Facebook Marketplace. I was like, you know, Facebook. He goes, yeah, what is that?

• 29:01Speaker 00

  If a guy.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  Facebook is?

• 29:02Speaker 00

  If a guy has a foreign accent and him and his entire family were born here.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  That's that's isolated.

• 29:12Speaker 00

  Same thing with the Amish. You're like, you're like, how do you guys have a foreign accent?

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Or the Chicanos?

• 29:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Chicanos.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 29:20Speaker 00

  They have an accent.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  But Lubavitch, I met with a woman who who shops at Gucci. She's Hasidic, but she shops at Gucci. So you have all spectrums of this thing. The Amish, you have.

• 29:32Speaker 00

  That this is cool.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  You have the Schwartz and Trubers, which I met up with a Schwartz and Truber. They didn't let me film them on their face, but they let me film their house and take their audio. This was great access because they didn't know who the president was. The biggest dream for these people, the woman, when I was leaving, she's looking up at the sky and she's like, what is it like to fly? That was her biggest question. Yeah, just like so interested with like, is it like a bird? Then you have the Beachy Amish that drive trucks and have microwaves.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  And that was Mark. Was that his name, Mark?

• 30:05Speaker 01

  No, that was Josh.

• 30:06Speaker 00

  Josh, Josh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  And then, so you have that spectrum and there's probably 10 major groups of Amish. And then once you go to Beachy, you start with Mennonite and the Mennonite are like Amish Lite.

• 30:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  They open up even more with technology and whatnot.

• 30:22Speaker 00

  No idea.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Like everything, it's super complicated.

• 30:25Speaker 00

  And it was cool to watch Josh explain it like that. So Schwartz and Truber is basically no electricity, nothing.

• 30:33Speaker 03

  I thought they were all like that.

• 30:34Speaker 00

  No, that's the thing that's interesting.

• 30:36Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  Is that the Beachy Amish or the the Mennonites, they'll use it, but they won't have like a TV at home. And then he like bricks his phone, right? Like, so he doesn't have porn. He doesn't have, so he's limiting it, but he's still operating.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Wow. So they're like living in 1858.

• 31:00Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  With everything.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  And they all make like local rules, right? Like each different community will have like a vote on like how they let things enter out.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  The it's all has to do with their their church. So someone might move a county or even a town over so that now they can have a bailer that has some automation versus just dragging it behind.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Like it's not like a nationalized like group, like each different community has its own rules where they vote in and out. That's my understanding.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Exactly. See all the furniture? There's old wooden furniture, well water, kerosene lamps.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  They made me a hat, the Schwartz and Truber hat. They said I was I had the biggest head they've ever experienced.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  It's the shape of an egg and it's massive and you gotta customize it.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  I mean, did you feel like they figured it out?

• 31:53Speaker 01

  I mean, look, for guys like us, though we're not all the same, you want to be a free spirit to some degree. You want to be untethered to some degree.

• 32:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  It'd be tough to be in that world. I wouldn't even be able to shave my head like this.

• 32:08Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  Wait, why?

• 32:09Speaker 01

  I'd have to do that.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  What do you mean by that?

• 32:12Speaker 00

  I can't do it. I can't. It's impossible.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  Even my hair's uncircumcised.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  And they have the the Amish beard, which is.

• 32:20Speaker 00

  No mustache.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  And no mustache.

• 32:22Speaker 00

  Dagestani.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  It's it's weird. I mean, I I learn a lot through these communities and as an outsider, I can respect and admire what they're doing and I I, you know, it's just, I don't know. I think about this stuff all the time. Like, what is the best way to go about it all?

• 32:38Speaker 00

  Well, what are the positives of it? Like, were there any? Was there anything you were envious of them?

• 32:43Speaker 01

  They're they're connected like aspen trees.

• 32:46Speaker 00

  Really?

• 32:47Speaker 01

  They know this guy, that guy, that guy. They're all helping each other. Their health insurance, they all pitch in. They do big foundations and raffles every year and get money in and they they do that with home insurance, too. If something's burning down, everyone's chiming in to help.

• 33:04Speaker 00

  And it feels genuine, the community?

• 33:05Speaker 01

  It feels genuine. Now, there are problems like any strict community or any community, but there are obviously problems, but it just, it's clean, it's nice. They're not running up huge credit, you know, to live through life. They're not flashy. It's pretty cool. I mean, they're they're tied into the land, tied into nature.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  And they seem happy.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  I'd say for the most part, yeah. It's always hard to get into someone's head, but.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  But if you are a free spirit and you want to go out on your own, then that that's going to be suffocating.

• 33:40Speaker 00

  What about our, what about our boy Titus?

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Titus?

• 33:43Speaker 00

  Because he's the epitome of free spirit, right?

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Titus, those are the best videos to make. They're so much fun.

• 33:52Speaker 00

  I mean, that video, I think the first one you did, I think has 21 million views.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. So Titus was.

• 33:59Speaker 00

  The man who legally doesn't exist.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  He's coming down from the tree. He's swinging from the trees. The unfortunate thing is there are drama in them hills out in Kentucky.

• 34:09Speaker 00

  Really?

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it got it got. I was telling Titus, Titus, do not put your phone number on the internet. Do not do that. Titus didn't want to listen to anything I said. After I posted that video, swarms of people come, women coming in to marry Titus.

• 34:29Speaker 00

  Let's go Titus.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Whoa. So he was with this one one woman for a bit and I guess that didn't work out. And then there is all this drama that I don't know half of what's true and what's not, and I've stayed away from it.

• 34:43Speaker 00

  Can you share a little or?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  You're gonna have to look online. I don't want to make claims that I don't know are 100% true, but.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  But he got in some legal trouble?

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then he was with the woman and then there was kids issue with another guy and.

• 35:00Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it got, it got a little hectic out there and I've just ignored it for the last two years or three years. But when I met him, we had a great time.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  Are they like Mormons where it's like they let him go off for a little bit and then?

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Rumspringer? That's what the Amish do, the rumspringer.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  But he's not a, he's not.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  He's.

• 35:22Speaker 00

  He's just an off the grid.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  He's Seventh Day Adventist, which is in the same vein, basically.

• 35:28Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  But he lives out here alone, basically?

• 35:33Speaker 01

  He did. Now he's now he's, from my understanding, he's with his wife.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  But when you were with him, he was here fully just.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, on his own.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Like, where were the neighbors? Like?

• 35:42Speaker 01

  They're down the, they're down the rotters. Yeah, they had 50 acres. It's it's rural out there.

• 35:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 35:48Speaker 00

  But it was like truly off the grid.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  Kind of a little side hustle to pay for stuff. It was a really interesting video and he seemed stoked. I mean, the guy seemed pretty happy with his life.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  And then you made him famous and then women came in and ruined it.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  You can control, lucky if you're if you go big on the internet.

• 36:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  You can open up your life to the world.

• 36:12Speaker 00

  Or you can shut it down.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Or you can shut it down. And that's a personal choice. And I highly suggest the latter.

• 36:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  He was taking Amazon gifts from everyone, doing opening box. He turned from doing the corner to opening boxes of Amazon stuff every day and making videos.

• 36:28Speaker 00

  He became like a social media influencer in some ways.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I I told him, I gave him so much advice. Just control your terms, control your life. Who comes out to your zone?

• 36:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  Take the good of it, but don't open it fully.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. Sometimes it's hard when you get a taste.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. That social media attention is kind of like.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  It's gotta feel like heroin to a guy like that.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 00

  He gets excited when it's like sunny out.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  But it goes.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  But it goes against. Girls are sending him tits on the fucking internet.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Letters from Poland, letters from all over the world.

• 37:01Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:02Speaker 00

  And they've got pictures in there.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:06Speaker 00

  And he probably hasn't seen those things in a long time.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  That's crazy. And guys in New York say it's hard to date. And look at this guy cleaning up.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  They're coming out to the hills of Kentucky.

• 37:17Speaker 00

  They're coming out to the hills of Kentucky and then he's just in a hay bale. And he gets up and there's a Polish chick butt naked just staring at him. And he's like.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  In his mailbox.

• 37:27Speaker 00

  Fever drip. Yes. No, no, but she might be in person. She might show up.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  I don't know if, I don't know if they came that far, but. Yeah, but you know what? I mean, you're obviously a massive name and so you can, are you gonna do the video of you cooking in your kitchen in the morning with your kids?

• 37:44Speaker 00

  No.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that's a choice.

• 37:47Speaker 00

  Yes, I 100% agree. And you get to, it's smart to kind of like limit what people get. And we've been in a situation where we've probably shared more than most people or share our lives more than most people on the planet, just through the podcasts. You know?

• 38:02Speaker 03

  But we're also native to it. So we know how things can go sideways.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  But if you're living out here in the sticks, you're like, oh, what could go wrong?

• 38:09Speaker 00

  It's tough with the kids also. You're like, you know, you want to protect them and they didn't ask for that. So you want to protect their identity. But at the same time, they're the coolest thing. So you want to share.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. So what are you guys seeing right now in culture? I mean, you're on the front lines. You talk to a lot of people. What's the temperature overall? And that's a wide question.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  I think that you described it earlier. I think there's exhaustion.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Just, yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Apathy.

• 38:35Speaker 00

  Apathy.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  That's what I would describe.

• 38:37Speaker 00

  I think apathy comes with the exhaustion. It's just like, I need to check out. This is too much. Every single day it's a new fucking thing. I think people want to escape.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  And then like a little topping of like hopelessness a little bit.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  I think a little sense of like, oh, yeah, like the future is not guaranteed, kind of like almost like that Soviet mindset. So.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 03

  Let's live for now and get hot and rich as quickly as possible.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Get rich as quickly as possible.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  And hot, both.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  And hot?

• 39:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Well, I. Dudes are getting hot?

• 39:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, yeah. Dudes are getting hot.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  This, the looks maxing?

• 39:10Speaker 01

  I've heard of it in Klevikler. That's.

• 39:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this is like, I think this is downstream from a broken economy.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 39:21Speaker 00

  Anytime men are focusing on their looks, getting successful feels far away.

• 39:30Speaker 00

  If men feel like they can be successful and meet their ambition, they don't focus on how they look. But if you feel like success is nearly impossible, well, you still need to get laid. So naturally, you're gonna go, okay, well, what if I can make myself look a little bit more handsome?

• 39:51Speaker 01

  You just have to be funny, though, right?

• 39:52Speaker 00

  Some people can do that. That's what's harder, though, being funny or wearing some makeup or using some peptides to get in shape.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Makeup and 20-somethings are wearing makeup, guys?

• 40:02Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  That's the idea behind it.

• 40:04Speaker 00

  And it's like, he gets a lot of stuff, but I think that he's actually diagnosing something real.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:11Speaker 00

  Which is like, a lot of kids there, like, if I don't hit a parlay, I'm never gonna get rich. Right? Or if I don't hit a random crypto meme coin, I'm never gonna make the money.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll never be able to buy a house.

• 40:22Speaker 00

  So they don't feel the economic opportunity, but they're like, I still need to get some pussy. So what should I do? What is the best haircut for my facial structure?

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Why not just work on developing yourself? Okay, here's, I get it, I'm out of the john, you're, how, you're in your twenties?

• 40:36Speaker 03

  I'm thirty.

• 40:37Speaker 00

  Because historically, that's what women like, is a man who's developed their personality.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  They want someone that makes them laugh.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  I'm sure if, as you go around the world, the funniest people are the ones that get the most girls. When you were in Karachi, the funniest guy.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Actually, it's quite effective, from what I've seen. But yeah, of course, someone with resources. But here, this sounds crazy, maybe, and I'm not trying to toot my horn in any way, shape or form. But I was like, I don't care about money until forty.

• 41:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  I want as much experience as I can get. I'll figure that out afterwards, as naive as that sounds.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  I wanted to see the world, I wanted to get out as much and experience as much as possible. And I always did things, made money, came home broke, went again. No one gave me travel. I went out and got it. But that was my number one interest. I just think you're trying to make a recipe out of when you're gonna get money, or by this age, that age, isn't realistic, right?

• 41:37Speaker 00

  No.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  I mean, you gotta be ambitious and go for things, but like, if I didn't do those trips, if I didn't do what I did, there's no way I would have been doing this channel. Because that was the foundation for doing this. And everything sort of leads up, as long as you're not sitting around doing nothing. But if you're working towards something, doing this for a while might add up to, you know, what you get to here. And you went over here for a bit. I mean, this is no novel information, but I think a lot of young people need to hear. I just feel like the pressure is so hard on them.

• 42:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just think that they feel like the dream is evaporating a bit.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  You know, like, the existential doom of maybe artificial intelligence, is that gonna replace them or take their job? And I don't think they maybe see it as it might open up a more lucrative job. They don't, and it might not, who knows? But this existential doom is kind of like weighing on them. And they're not really sure for their future, their friends' future, their opportunity. And then they start to go, okay, well, I gotta get it while I can, if that is possible. Or I just have complete apathy and like, let me take some drugs and have some fun.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Isn't there a middle road?

• 42:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think as things settle, like, again, I don't know, but I assume this is like, you know, like, the data center thing is such a topic of conversation.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  But like, I think the data centers, like, the physical manifest, and they're doing a lot of things wrong with the data centers. Like, if you were one of these companies, these AI companies, like, any place you put a data center, nobody in that area should pay for anything. Like, if you know that people are economically struggling, and you have the means to not only put the data center in, but make life really easy for people that are struggling, like, that seems like a no-brainer.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:24Speaker 00

  But right now, it's almost the opposite, where you're like, you want government grants to put the data center for the trillion-dollar companies. So the people gotta have higher electric bills and pay tax money to have the data. It's like, you know what I mean? Like, in Alaska with the pipeline, everybody gets a little check. And then they're like, all right, take some oil, I like that little check, that's kind of nice, you know? So it's like, whatever. But it's the physical manifestation of the existential doom. So if you're like angry at, like, American imperialism, and you see a Columbus statue, you're like, fuck the statue, even though, like, Columbus wasn't an American imperialist.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  Right? It's like, it's a physical representation of this thing that you believe is causing existential crisis. So you're like, fuck that.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  I mean, do you get that feeling talking to people? Like, or maybe the communities you're talking to are so, like, kind of niche that they're not tapped on on a national scale.

• 44:20Speaker 01

  There's that, there's that tension underneath, I think, most of society right now. And I feel it, too. It's like, I'm, depending on the day or the hour even, right? Sometimes you can feel, maybe I'm more capricious than most, but sometimes you can feel really optimistic about everything.

• 44:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  And then literally six hours later, be like, I don't see how this thing's gonna work out. If AI takes thirty percent off the top of every profession,

• 44:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  then how does that work out? The checkout counter person, what are they going to do?

• 44:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Like, how is, like, I don't, I don't see it. And then I get bummed on it, because I'm like, UBI, I don't think is the way.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  People need to go towards something at work, or improve, or build. Not everyone's gonna pick up a paintbrush. And, uh, yeah, I'm, there's some hole. Like, when I start talking about like this, yeah, it pumps me out a little. But then you're like, what's in your power and your control? And if I had, if I was in my younger twenties, I didn't know what I was doing. I'd probably get in a city like here. I wish I did that earlier. I lived in San Francisco for a bit. It's not New York, obviously, as far as the energy and what's going on, but it took me until my thirties to get to that. And maybe I'd go that route? Or maybe I'd be like, look, America still does have real estate that's not crazy expensive.

• 45:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Is it the place you wanna live in? I don't know, but you could live in Little Rock, and there are nice parts of Little Rock. I was there last year. Met a dude that made a, he's got a house, one hundred and sixty, one hundred and eighty grand. Great lawn, nice place. He was like, I got plenty of extra money to travel every year with my wife. It's great, we love it here.

• 46:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  And so you don't get New York, you don't get San Francisco, and it was never that way for me. I moved to Reno, Nevada, from Lake Tahoe.

• 46:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  I wanted to go to school in San Francisco, I just couldn't afford it, I was paying my own way, so I had to go to Nevada. And I just look at, that's just the, that's, maybe one day I'll get to go there, but that's, that's just the way things work. So I think, I think it's like a combination of a few things, like, yeah, the real estate's gotten higher. Yeah, the AI thing is scary and unknown. But also, do you see the guy as much working all day detailing cars? The deplorable work, right? Doesn't look cool on social media, that's for sure. And waiting tables at night to save and do something, like, working day and night? Is there as much of that going on, too?

• 46:49Speaker 00

  I'm sure.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  You think so?

• 46:50Speaker 00

  I'm sure there's plenty. I, I also think that, like, what people see as making it now is changing a bit.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  And I think that that's influencing decisions, right? Like, a lot of, like, making it feels lucky now, right? It's like, if you, if you're an influencer because you're like getting ready by putting on makeup in your clothes, like, maybe, maybe you're doing it in like a more unique way as another girl's doing it. But it does feel a little bit like, ah, this is just a roll of the dice that this person got popular. Whereas, like, LeBron is singular. Like, you know what I mean? It's not like accidental that he's been this successful. And, and maybe when we were younger, like, it felt more deserved.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  The Delta was too huge, or LeBron example, the, the gap is too huge. But with YouTube, anyone can post a YouTube video.

• 47:48Speaker 00

  And it's not anyone, right? It's like, what you do is singular, right? You have a GoPro and you're walking around these communities and talking to them, and it feels easy because you make it feel easy.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:01Speaker 00

  But gaining access and trust with these people, having the courage to go, having the recognition of what a good fixer is versus somebody who is not gonna communicate to the community, editing the videos so that they're entertaining with literally one camera.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:19Speaker 00

  Like, these are tricky things, but to the outside world, it's just, hey, look at me, and I'm here today, and I'm in the Amish country.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd say that, that does annoy me sometimes, when people think, because they can, anyone can post a YouTube video.

• 48:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  And it does look super simple, and I don't wanna say I'm doing the hardest thing in the world, but it is highly challenging. And you gotta think of, like, what's the story? And I don't wanna copy what anyone else is doing online.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Of course, there's gonna be crossover, but wanna be novel in the content.

• 48:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  You gotta get to the location, maybe it's gonna rain out, maybe that person doesn't work out.

• 48:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Maybe the story just sucks. But you're right, from the outside, it's sort of like.

• 48:58Speaker 00

  Everybody thinks everything is easy now.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  You know, um, I'm out dating you here on this one, but you know the band Rush?

• 49:04Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Everyone airdrums in the, in the stands, Neil Peart?

• 49:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  You, everyone looks good airdrumming.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  And then you put those sticks on the kit and you're like.

• 49:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  Do you find there's a connection with the communities that are on social media a lot? And like, their general optimism or forward outlook?

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Okay, the, the communities that are on-

• 49:25Speaker 02

  That are not, rather. Like, if you're with the Amish, do you find that their perspective or their optimism is higher? Or with the Hasidic or anyone that's not-

• 49:33Speaker 01

  I'd say if we're gonna do as a whole, a collective, they're mentally in a better place. I would say. They're less fragmented, they're more on the same page.

• 49:43Speaker 00

  But isn't it interesting that, like, many people are now practicing, many people that are plugged in are trying to practice what those communities have been practicing the whole time?

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:52Speaker 00

  Which is just-

• 49:53Speaker 01

  When I started, when I started making Amish videos at the very beginning, everyone's like, "Oh, those crazy people, they missed out on life." And then the pandemic happened.

• 50:02Speaker 00

  Everybody's like, "I wanna go on a farm."

• 50:03Speaker 01

  And everyone's like, "I want some of that."

• 50:04Speaker 00

  "I want some sourdough."

• 50:06Speaker 01

  "I wanna hang out with my friends and cook meals and grow my own food."

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Is it a lot of work? Like, do the Amish work a lot?

• 50:13Speaker 01

  It's a lot. They work a lot. Yeah.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Like, it's constant?

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I've done a lot of off-grid living stories, cuz I find them fascinating, and there's part of me that's like, "Ah, that would be cool to do," right?

• 50:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  But everything in life, as you guys know, has a honeymoon period.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  And it looks and sounds good, but what's it like year three?

• 50:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  When you're dealing with your chickens and they stink and, you know, you gotta take poop off the eggs. Like, it gets, for most people, it's not gonna work.

• 50:41Speaker 00

  You and your girl are, are living in a tiny home. It's like, whenever I watch those videos, I'm like, "Yo, tiny home, this is, it's like, you don't have anything to worry about, whatever." You're listening to your girl push out of shit while you're taking a nap.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  She's fucking six inches from your pillow. And you're like, "What?" Yeah, exactly. This is not the ideal life. I, I did a video with a guy in Seasville, California, and he pretty much owns the whole town. It's way up north, Trinity Alps, removed from everything. And he said, "What people don't get is they think off-grid is for the easy life. Living in the burbs is the easy life. This is the hard life."

• 51:18Speaker 00

  But maybe a hard life is a more enjoyable life.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Yes. You need some resistance.

• 51:23Speaker 00

  I think that's what I've realized. Whenever I watch, like, the, um, it's not called a ranch. People who live in Alaska, it's called a-

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Homesteading.

• 51:32Speaker 00

  Homesteading.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:33Speaker 00

  When I watch homesteading. It's like, it looks really hard, but the hard work and the everyday having purpose, I think, makes for a better mindset.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:46Speaker 00

  Like, if I don't cut this wood today, we freeze. I need to cut the wood. If I don't answer this email from this random person, it's like, eh.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:55Speaker 00

  It's like, we almost have to fill ourselves. That's the great thing about kids, by the way, is that kids give purpose and they give meaning. Like, you gotta feed them, you gotta make sure that they're gonna be okay, and you gotta make sure you keep them alive.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  And they're unpredictable, right?

• 52:06Speaker 00

  Completely. Completely. It completely throws your, like, risk assessment off. Like, once you have kids, you think twice about, like, "Am I going to Pakistan?"

• 52:17Speaker 01

  I'm at, I'm at that now, too.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  You feel it.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  I don't do as much sketchy stuff anymore.

• 52:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Don't need to.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Is there a place that is so sketchy that you're like, "Oh, I, I can't"? Like, your, your, your heart wants to, but logically, you're like, it-

• 52:31Speaker 01

  My heart doesn't want any of that anymore. Um, but I will say, the sketchiest place in the US that I've been to, and you can't put it on a spreadsheet, but there's a feeling and energy, Belle Glade, Florida.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Near Lake Okeechobee.

• 52:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  When I pulled in there, I was getting the stares in these, these highly aggressive looks, like, just, get out.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Really?

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  Florida.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  If I go, if I go into East New York, and I've been in it a few times-

• 53:01Speaker 00

  What color? What color people?

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Black, mostly Haitian.

• 53:05Speaker 00

  Damn, man, I thought we had that one, bro. I thought we had that one.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  But it's just-

• 53:09Speaker 00

  I wanted sketchy.

• 53:10Speaker 02

  Sketchy whites.

• 53:11Speaker 00

  I wanted sketchy.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  There's a weird story, and that's investigative journalism, which I'm not.

• 53:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  Because old-school investigative journalism, you need a team, you need resources, you need time on the ground. But I think there's a deep, suppressed labor, sugar story in central Florida that I would love to see someone get. I don't totally know it.

• 53:33Speaker 00

  What do you mean? What do you mean?

• 53:37Speaker 01

  The sugar industry, the sugar industry's huge in Florida.

• 53:40Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  You have, I, I don't, I don't know the legality versus illegality of it.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Copy, copy.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  And I think, I'm guessing, and I can't, and I can't say for sure. I don't wanna say things for sure unless I know for sure.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  But when you can feel, you know, you take all your data points here, and that, that was heavy and hardcore going down that street. And then there's the buses taking them off to the fields, and what's going on here? I don't know. But that needs, we need the old-school investigative journalism back.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  What was the name of that town?

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Um, Belle Glade.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Belle Glade.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  I don't wanna put Belle Glade under the bus or any of these places, cuz there's great people there. There's nice parts of it. Like, most American places,

• 54:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  you can label a place like Memphis. There's great parts of Memphis.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Like, beautiful homes and, you know?

• 54:34Speaker 02

  You've been everywhere. You've talked to so many people. Let's start ranking places.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  What, for what? Living or traveling?

• 54:40Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Just in, in your personal opinion, what's the best state?

• 54:48Speaker 01

  Things have changed so much. So, I moved to Florida in-

• 54:52Speaker 02

  Besides New York?

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Twenty-one, uh, from California. That's because San Francisco was at its low point. It's come around. I always wanna, call a spade a spade. It's, I hear people saying it's so terrible right now. No, it's not.

• 55:05Speaker 00

  No, actually, they're saying it's not.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  There's a new DA, a new mayor. It's cleaned up a lot. It's not nearly what it was.

• 55:12Speaker 00

  It's crazy how literally those two positions can change an entire city.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Well, we're all, we're, we're going, we're always going off the last bit of information we receive.

• 55:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  You'd say Mexico City to a lot of people, and they'll think like, twenty years ago, Mexico City.

• 55:26Speaker 00

  Mexico City is and has always been a world-class city. Like, London, Paris, New York, Tokyo, Mexico City.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:35Speaker 00

  Is one of my favorite places in the entire planet.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  But yeah, it's the same, like, New York, the way people not from New York talk about it. They're like, "Oh, the crime, it's so bad."

• 55:44Speaker 00

  But they're still moving here. Like, everybody talks that shit, and then you still show up, so shut up.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, the city is thriving right now.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  So, I wanna call, everything's in a cycle, right? In the, in America, our cycles, our places change quickly. It's not Europe. Europe, I feel, is much slower. Especially the more rural you get. But you can be in San Francisco twenty-one, and now, and it's a different reality. But most people are going off the last bit of information they heard, or the last time they were there, and I'm like, "No, it's changed." So, uh, long-winded way to answer your question, I don't know, for pure nature and where I just, like, detether or, like, untether from, from the world, Northern California. Way up on the coast there, in the redwoods.

• 56:25Speaker 00

  Big Sur.

• 56:26Speaker 01

  Big Sur, Central California, love that. I used to camp there every year, love it. Cuz the nature's so powerful. New York City, for as far as cities in America, by far the most interesting.

• 56:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:37Speaker 01

  Like, there's nothing in the world. I'll give it, I was just in Tokyo a few weeks ago, love Tokyo.

• 56:42Speaker 00

  It's nothing.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  But I'd like, it's, yeah. There's so much more going on here.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  It's crazy. I learned more about Staten Island from his video than my forty years being in this state.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Shout out Staten Island.

• 56:52Speaker 00

  It's not a dump.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  No, there's like beautiful, like, mansions.

• 56:57Speaker 00

  I always thought you were a dump. We don't often go to Staten Island. This is the truth, like, with most New Yorkers.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I heard that.

• 57:04Speaker 00

  We don't go to Staten Island, and then if there wasn't a zoo in the Bronx or the Yankees, we probably wouldn't go to the Bronx that much either. That, that is just, that's the unfortunate, honest truth. Am I wrong about that?

• 57:17Speaker 02

  But they got Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, so sometimes.

• 57:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, but they also travel. You know what I mean? Like, they come in, you know what I mean? I mean, we wouldn't go to Queens if they didn't have the airport. We wouldn't, like, if I'm being completely, if I'm being completely honest.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  You go to Jackson Heights.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  You got the Rockaway, Rockaway.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  I did go to Jackson Heights for a few of the food.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  Rockaway Beach.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  We go to-

• 57:40Speaker 00

  Rockaway Beach is like Miami Beach.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  It is, bro.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  You see? You see that?

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Same sister beach.

• 57:45Speaker 00

  It is. They're the exact-

• 57:47Speaker 01

  I used to surf Rockaway.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Look at you.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  I'm going tomorrow.

• 57:50Speaker 00

  Coming to my hood.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  No, I'm gonna shoot a video.

• 57:52Speaker 00

  There's a surfing community there as well.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  I'm looking for it. I found a surfer home I'm trying to get into.

• 57:57Speaker 00

  Who?

• 57:58Speaker 01

  I don't know, I found it on Zillow.

• 57:59Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  Looks interesting. It's all done like a surfer home, surfboards up on the wall, teak floors.

• 58:04Speaker 00

  Ninety-third Street or Ninety-sixth Street, I think, is the surf spot? That's the jetty?

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 58:09Speaker 00

  But yeah, it's a very interesting juxtaposition. You're surfing in front of projects. It's the most New York surf spot ever. I would be really grateful if I lived in the projects on the beach. Like, most people go to Boca, retire, or do that.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Right. So, I would say-

• 58:23Speaker 02

  People that live in those ozone buildings are gonna be upset you're calling it projects, cuz they don't consider them projects.

• 58:28Speaker 00

  I don't consider it projects either.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  All right, so stop calling.

• 58:30Speaker 00

  I just consider the projects. Those ozone ones are fire.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  They're not beachfront.

• 58:34Speaker 00

  I'm talking about the beachfront project.

• 58:36Speaker 02

  We're more on the bayside.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  So, I don't have a good answer for your question, cuz, uh, the beauty of this country, why we're so fortunate. My wife says she's from Ukraine, not from here, loves it. Build your own bowl country. You pick your protein, like, pick your climate, your topography, pick your culture, pick your, pick your religion even, pick your politics. You got like a million different options.

• 59:02Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  In so many countries, you know, in Ukraine, wouldn't wanna be there now, but if you wanna make it, you pretty much had to be in the capital city or, or the second city. Where the US, we have, live how you wanna live.

• 59:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  My brother, my brother's a chef in Hawaii. He surfs every day, rides his dirt bike, private chef.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Simple life, lives in a little cabin.

• 59:25Speaker 00

  This is, my mom's from, from Scotland, and it's like, immigrants, uh, truly understand the greatness of America in a way that Americans could never conceptualize.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 59:36Speaker 00

  And that's okay. It's actually like, that's a really cool privilege that you don't realize how amazing you have it.

• 59:42Speaker 00

  Like us.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  So how do you get that message to the younger generation if they're feeling really down and out?

• 59:48Speaker 00

  They gotta travel. They gotta travel and see what else is out there. I think a lot of times like the younger generation, they might like romanticize Europe in a way, but like, and this is someone who loves Europe. Like I like traveling there. I appreciate it. But like, we travel to Europe for, in, in the same way that we go to like museums, right? We're like enamored by this great history and culture that has been curated for thousands of years. And it's like really beautiful what they've put together and like the, the monuments or these lasting legacy to these times in Europe that were absolutely incredible. The entrepreneurial spirit that exists in the world right now comes from the United States of America. Yeah. Simple as that. It's like the technology is all coming out of here. I mean, yes, maybe some from China. It's probably reverse engineered

• 1:00:33Speaker 00

  from stealing our shit, but it's like.

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  It was a honeypot situation.

• 1:00:35Speaker 00

  It was a honeypot. It was a little honey. He might be honeydicking. He might be honeydicking.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  It could be going the other way.

• 1:00:41Speaker 00

  I think he's honeydicking.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Shout out Jensen, dude.

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Shout out Jensen going through it. His wife has got the fucking, she got the keys right now, dude.

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, true.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Anyway.

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  I got Jensen's back. I'm not taking any Jensen Quang slander.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  Do you know what's happening with the Nvidia?

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  He cheated on his wife?

• 1:00:56Speaker 00

  Yo.

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  Allegedly. Allegedly.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Chill, chill, chill.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Mister, I don't say anything that's not factually representative.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Really? No, thanks for calling me. So he did not? I thought he admitted to it.

• 1:01:07Speaker 00

  Dude, men don't cheat, bro. Especially when their company is holding up the US economy.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  He was getting Chinese secrets. That's what he was doing. Yeah.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Okay. Gotcha. All right.

• 1:01:18Speaker 00

  She was trying to honeypot him, but he was honeydicking her.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  It's an optics thing. Depends how you look at it.

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  We know so much.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  He's the victim, actually.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  Hundred percent he's the victim, bro.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Poor, poor guy.

• 1:01:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, dude. Poor guy. Just let him make his chips, dude. Just let him GPU. All right, guys, take a break for a second. Um, look, man, when you're traveling, need hard dick. Need it. Need it. Need it.

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

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• 1:03:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  Two Wong's don't make a right, man. It's, uh.

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  Bang, ding, out.

• 1:04:00Speaker 00

  Come on, guys. Come on, guys.

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. This is a real we too low situation.

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  It's a we too low.

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Speaker 00

  We too low. What was the next one? We too low. Something Wong.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. Bang, ding, out.

• 1:04:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  There's a fourth one. You're trying to tell me the CEO of the biggest company in America can't just, you know, do import export?

• 1:04:23Speaker 00

  I mean, that's the job.

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  That's the job, right?

• 1:04:25Speaker 00

  That's the job.

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  You don't want to be talking to Chinese woman? That's what his job is. He has to work with them. We need someone that's open to that.

• 1:04:31Speaker 00

  Is it crazy that the Chinese chick is too mid for like him to give up secrets? Like, is that crazy?

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  That's mid?

• 1:04:40Speaker 00

  You thought that she was cute?

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  They don't really.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  That's Alex. We're not gonna do that. Alex, we're not gonna do that.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  Have you seen these? You've seen these ones?

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  And that's not her. Come on, bro.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  But like, that's, that's, you know, the last thing you see before leaking state secrets.

• 1:04:53Speaker 00

  So the crazy thing about.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  She was a model.

• 1:04:56Speaker 00

  Nah.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Speaker 00

  Oh, wow. Look, I mean, we all knew that Jensen was getting some poon, right? Like, you don't wear fucking leather jackets.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Speaker 00

  As like the leader of the biggest tech company in the world, if you're trying to bang your wife. Shout out to Jensen, though.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  Your husband's wearing custom Fonz jackets, dude. He's gonna take.

• 1:05:16Speaker 00

  If your husband dressed like Sebastian Maniscalco, I would keep an eye on him. I would definitely get his location. No, no, no. So no, no, Jensen, you're the man, bro. It sucks that this whole situation happened. We don't know if his, is his, uh, wife and him have a situation.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  Also, the media is being straight up racist too, because they, she, they labeled her a Chinese honeypot immediately. And now I think there's more evidence coming out that she's just Chinese.

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  Well, he was like lobbying super hard, apparently, this is all allegedly, to get Nvidia to sell Megaphone or whatever her company was chips.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  All right. I mean, look, that's not state secrets.

• 1:05:53Speaker 00

  But that, then when they went to the Megaphone office or whatever like that, they had the chips in boxes.

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Ready to ship out.

• 1:06:00Speaker 00

  Ready to ship to China.

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  Whoa. And you think that's when he flagged it? That's when he was like, what?

• 1:06:05Speaker 00

  Go like this. And then also apparently they told Trump and Trump was like, man, let me get some pussy. Like, they, they already flagged everybody.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  Trump's like, at least, yeah, my wife's not a honeypot, of course.

• 1:06:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  Full Russian accent.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  What's going on here? But yeah, so apparently, uh, there's now a new market that was made on call sheet.

• 1:06:26Speaker 00

  All right, what does it have?

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  He might be stepping down.

• 1:06:28Speaker 00

  Ain't no fucking way, bro.

• 1:06:30Speaker 03

  They're saying, will he leave before January 1st?

• 1:06:32Speaker 00

  He's not stepping down.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  2027?

• 1:06:34Speaker 00

  He's not stepping down.

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  It's gone up.

• 1:06:35Speaker 00

  The global economy is pinged to the success of this company. He's not stepping down.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  The green is saying that he's gonna step down before the 29th and that's at like.

• 1:06:43Speaker 00

  There's a 50% chance?

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  Before 2029. Before 2029. That's a, that's a, that's a long time.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Selling state secrets, bro.

• 1:06:53Speaker 00

  No, if he was doing treason, then he gotta give him a little, give him till 2030.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  You don't think that'd be?

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  Also, what state secrets? Just buy a chip, bro.

• 1:07:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, but we can't give him the chips, man.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Why can't they just buy them? You go on Alibaba, buy a chip and figure out how it works.

• 1:07:12Speaker 00

  You can't, we not letting Alibaba get these chips. You know how crazy these chips are, bro?

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  They're not, anyone, we can reverse engineer alien technology. They can't reverse engineer a chip?

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Nah. They got small hands.

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  You think they're doing silicone by hand?

• 1:07:28Speaker 03

  That's what happened to me in Taiwan.

• 1:07:30Speaker 00

  That's crazy, bro.

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  We can't make them over here.

• 1:07:32Speaker 00

  We can't make them over here, right? We can't.

• 1:07:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, our hands are too big. We're too tough and sick and jabbed. Yeah. And then so they're saying.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  You gotta step down.

• 1:07:41Speaker 03

  Not gonna step down before 2027. It's 40, 39%.

• 1:07:46Speaker 00

  Bro, yeah. What these chips can actually do, like what we get, you know how like when a government has the technology, they give us the shit that's not close to them? In the same way that when we sell like other countries airplanes, like we're not selling them the ones that we got. You know, just like the ones we could take out easily.

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:02Speaker 00

  So, man, what I was told that, that the shit that they already got can do.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Like, what do you mean?

• 1:08:12Speaker 00

  I'm not trying to get fucking good. I hate when he does this shit. Like, don't say it.

• 1:08:16Speaker 03

  Like mind reading? Like, there's almost nothing you could tell me that wouldn't, that would surprise me.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  Like, they can be faster than the, what we already have?

• 1:08:24Speaker 00

  Let's put this way, like, let's say password hacking, right? They could send like 50 million agents at your password, not just randomly checking it. Calling you and having conversations in your language with your accent, asking you personal questions about your family to get a better sense of what the.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Password is.

• 1:08:49Speaker 00

  Password might be. Like, an all out onslaught.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  That's fire.

• 1:08:54Speaker 00

  And that's with like the version of AI we have now, which is like the shitty version. Like, we're just throwing, we're basically throwing like horsepower at the problem. We don't really have predictive intelligence, right? We're just, that's why we need these fucking data centers, because it need, we just need to churn through option after option after option. When you get what they call like SSI, safe super intelligence, is what they're calling it. That's the shit where it's like, all of a sudden, we don't need that much compute, because it's, it's, it's actually making sense of the objects that you're asking for it to make sense of. It's not guessing. There's no more guessing. It's doing what we intuitively do.

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  So if we pick up a bottle of water, we can imagine bottle of water and what we don't need to do is funnel through a million different objects until we figure out what a bottle of water is. And once that happens, it's.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  I'm mad you're calling it the super intelligence.

• 1:09:51Speaker 00

  I, I didn't say that.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  That's their reframe.

• 1:09:53Speaker 00

  I didn't say it.

• 1:09:54Speaker 02

  I thought it was AGI is that same.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  No, as soon as you learn the words, they switch it.

• 1:09:58Speaker 00

  They switch. Come on.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  They gotta keep you dumb. That's the trick. The second you think you know what the words are, actually, dude, we're doing something totally different.

• 1:10:05Speaker 00

  All right. So where are we at?

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  Do the chips allow Jensen just to open a Snapchat account? That way he stops getting caught?

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  Bro, he's not gonna get, you think he's getting caught?

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  How did this come out?

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  So she's a man.

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  He sent an email. Yeah, like, what's going on? How did he get?

• 1:10:19Speaker 00

  I think he wanted, bro. He wanted.

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  He wanted to get caught.

• 1:10:21Speaker 00

  He's a good guy, man.

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:10:25Speaker 00

  Listen, he's a good guy. He's a good one.

• 1:10:29Speaker 03

  He's got a lot of pressure. He's dealing with a lot.

• 1:10:32Speaker 00

  He's just trying to sell some chips. There's a lot of people over there.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Speaker 00

  No, honestly, if he did treason, then you gotta, you know, you gotta be, we gotta be serious.

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  You gotta be serious.

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  We gotta be serious.

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  You know they'd be pillow talking, man.

• 1:10:43Speaker 00

  You think?

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, come on, man.

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't think this woman is a spy. I think she's just a regular woman.

• 1:10:52Speaker 00

  Shut up.

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  What makes you think she's a spy?

• 1:10:54Speaker 00

  You're a spy now.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  What about her makes you think she's a Chinese spy?

• 1:10:59Speaker 00

  Fuck Mark.

• 1:11:00Speaker 03

  What would make you think that?

• 1:11:01Speaker 00

  She's Chinese.

• 1:11:04Speaker 00

  Right? And you kind of gotta be, whether you like it or not.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  What makes you think she's spying? Does she have a spying kind of look on her?

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:11:10Speaker 00

  Why do you think she's not a spy?

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  She looked like the gymnast. So when that flipped on us and started going for China.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  She's a spy too.

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  The downhill snowboarder?

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:23Speaker 00

  Same shit. Get back to that episode immediately. Get back to that episode. I believe this sincerely. It's like, America offers you the, the opportunity to be the greatest version of yourself. So it's like, you, I don't know if you could be you if you grew up anywhere else. I couldn't be me. I could be a version of it, but I can be the greatest version of it here. And if you're just already born here, you don't see that as a huge advantage on everyone else. And, but it is one of those things where if you have like a relative or a parent who's not from here and they're so stoked by what they're able to come here and do. They think it's the coolest thing in the entire world. That bleeds through you as like an immigrant kid, you know?

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  No, I fully agree. I think I, if I had one bit of advice that no one asked for. The younger generation, get out and travel and it's not as hard as people think. Because the world, the world is cheap compared to America right now. Even Japan is cheap. Which 12 years ago it wasn't when I was there. Now I just went, it was like half price here. So what I would recommend when you're young, and I can say for young men, because that was my journey. Go adventurous. Like go, get lost in Pakistan or India.

• 1:12:38Speaker 00

  Stay in hostels.

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  You can do it so cheap.

• 1:12:41Speaker 00

  We stayed in hostels. It was $10 a day or something like that.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  But those are where the lessons land. Those are where all my stories come from.

• 1:12:48Speaker 03

  But if someone's truly like, I have no idea how to even start this. They're living in like Sacramento. They're making like minimum wage as like a, you know, server at a restaurant. They're 20 years old. What do they do?

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  So be a server at a better, become a better server, become a, I, I was at a, I was a waiter in Lake Tahoe. At a restaurant Gavin Newsom owned actually.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Back in the day, Plump Jack's. And it was a good gig and I could save money. And so become a better server, get a better gig, those exist. And then figure out some, how you can make more money during the day. Set a goal. Two years out, I'm going. That's what I did. 20 grand. Now that was in 90, no, that was in 2002. So that would be like 40 grand now. But it's doable. I didn't go out. I didn't party. I ate cheap. And just, I just had this maniacal goal. I even met a girl. And I was like, you know, in a year and a half I'm leaving. So just, just want to let you know. Like we're starting a relationship. They was just absolute focus. If you focus hard enough, it's possible.

• 1:13:49Speaker 03

  And then how do you pick a place to have an adventure?

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  Well, mine was go to Europe. Do, because I, I used to compete snowboarding. Do a winter in the Alps. And then get a Ducati in Italy. They used one. Rip it back. Send it back to America and figure my life out. But I went to Europe and I'm like, I don't want to go home. I'll always figure out the material thing. I might never get this time and opportunity again. Flew to the Republic of Georgia. At that time was completely mafiosa place. I had to pay a bribe to get into the airport.

• 1:14:21Speaker 03

  How much?

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  20 bucks.

• 1:14:24Speaker 03

  To get into the airport?

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  To get into the airport. When we landed the plane, all the mafiosa got off into the BMWs and Benzes. Which was everyone on the plane. It was just me walking to the airport. And the, the security guy said $20. I said, what? For what? He's like, at the airport. I'm like, I got a visa. Didn't matter. It was that corrupt. I had the best time of my life in that country. A month in that country. I saw where the Russians were coming over the Caucasus Mountains and doing night bombing raids. I got into this place, Pengisi Gorge, which was like all Islamic fundamentalists. It was just a wild, wild adventure. And then I'm like, that was gateway drug. That was like marijuana. I'm like, what's next?

• 1:15:05Speaker 03

  And where do you literally sleep? Like?

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  No, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in Mama Nasi's house. Nasi. So I got off, I paid my bribe, get through the airport. I told the taxi driver McDonald's. Why? Cause I knew there'd be an English speaker there. I had no plans set up. I went in McDonald's. I got to the front.

• 1:15:24Speaker 03

  It's the embassy.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  And there was a kid that, there's, it was the embassy. There was a kid that knew English. And he's like, let me make some calls. He got some grandma, Mama Nasi. Who would cook, I stayed in her house. I cooked every night. She cooked for me every night. And stole my toilet paper every day. Cause it was so poor at that time. They were just using newspaper. So I, I'd stock up my bag with toilet paper. And she cooked it. And we just had this weird relationship. I knew she was going through my bags and stealing and taking stuff. And I'd eat every night. And I, I met these locals. And the more out there you get, the more people open up like, what are you doing out here? And they want to take you in. I had the best time of my life. But that's the gateway. Then you're like, where do you go next? I want more adventure. Tajikistan. How do I get there?

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

  What, how does Tajikistan even enter your radar?

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Cause you're looking at a map. You're like, this place, Georgia was wild. Right?

• 1:16:17Speaker 03

  What's wilder?

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, you go to, you think of going to England after that or Italy. It's like, as a young 20 something wanting adventure. It's like, oh my God, put a nail in the coffin. I gotta keep going into this adventure. And then you keep going and you keep going. And that, that was my journey at least. I went around the world for two years, got a job in Bangkok, teaching English. Told them I was, uh, uh, I had my masters in education. I didn't even graduate college at that time. I said, look, this stuff's under, under a pile of documents and a storage unit in Reno, Nevada. There's no way I can get to it. And they were short on teachers. I had a job the next day and I went in teaching these Thai kids. I had no idea what I was doing.

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  So what I'm saying is you start like getting a thread. You like, let that thread go through things. And you can't plan it. And the more you don't plan it, just you need money and time. That's the hard thing to get in life.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  Rich people have money, no time usually. Poor people have maybe, you know, they're bums, but you need, you need both. And as a young person, you can go work your butt off for a couple of years in this country and save them. If you have some capabilities. I wasn't doing glamorous work. Save money. I'm out. See ya. And, and have the faith that you'll figure it out on the other side.

• 1:17:37Speaker 03

  Did you ever get robbed? Like outside of?

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  I was robbed and poisoned in Uzbekistan. Yeah. They, um, I was trying to get this Tajik visa. I couldn't get in. And there was one guy, Gafrov, in the country in Duchamp Bay that was giving out visas. And this woman in Uzbekistan said she knew Gafrov through the embassy. And I ended up staying with them. They poisoned me, took all my money. I took a bus the other day, vomiting with chicken on my feet. And then I ended up at some doctor's house out in the countryside of Uzbekistan who brought me back to life. They had a nurse giving me IVs.

• 1:18:11Speaker 03

  Poisoned you with what?

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  I don't know. I was out.

• 1:18:14Speaker 00

  How much did they take?

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  They took all my cash, which was probably 300 bucks on me.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  Are you sure you were poisoned or did you get like sick? Like, how do you know it was poison?

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Cause they were nefarious and all my money was gone. And I was out and it was a weird feeling like you weren't just sick.

• 1:18:29Speaker 03

  So you woke up and like, you were just?

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  I woke up the next day in a daze. I got on a bus and I was vomiting across the, across the country and I had chicken on my feet. It was like everything in these rural areas was getting transported by the local.

• 1:18:42Speaker 03

  Did your asshole hurt?

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was. It was not feeling well. But they have, uh, they have squatter toilets. That helps a little maybe. But the, but a lot of places newspaper, that doesn't help. But if you get a bum gun, that always helps.

• 1:18:56Speaker 00

  What is a bum gun?

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Gun, like a little water, water blast?

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. To bidet it.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, bidet.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like it's literally like a little like?

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  I, we, we need that in the US by the way.

• 1:19:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  If you drop a cake on the ground here, are you just smearing it with, with paper or are you going to use some water?

• 1:19:13Speaker 00

  No, we definitely use some water.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. So why not?

• 1:19:16Speaker 00

  It's a more efficient way to.

• 1:19:18Speaker 03

  You have metaphors, bro.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  It's just a better way of doing the job.

• 1:19:23Speaker 00

  It's a better way. It's a better way.

• 1:19:25Speaker 03

  But you were never robbed like on the street, like someone coming up to you.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  No, I can't. I can't remember any times. And in the US, people ask me all the time making these videos like, what happens? And knock on wood, you don't have any.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  His head. At the bottom, there you go. Superstitious.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I am.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  Nothing's, nothing bad has happened.

• 1:19:48Speaker 03

  Is it because you're vigilant or is it because people are generally pretty, they don't want violence?

• 1:19:52Speaker 01

  Most people are great. You know, everyone's in our bubbles, online bubbles right now. So you think everyone's at each other's throat. It's not really like that in the streets. Most people aren't even that political, to be honest. Nobody's cared ever about that stuff with me. I'd say most people are great and you have to have street smarts, common sense. I had a pack of kids come up at me at a parking lot and you could, I could just, you know, you know what's around you. The guys in the hood have the best emotional intelligence by far.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:20:24Speaker 00

  Because they assess danger.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  From day one, they have to know. And if you're like a dodo, if you grew up in Vermont, in a way, sorry Vermonters, I mean, I'm a Vermonter technically. You sort of grew up like a dodo bird in a sense. Like you just don't have in immunity to threats around you at that level. And so you have to, you have to either grow up in a difficult situation or create the difficult situation for yourself to get those skills, I think. I grew up not in a difficult situation, but I created a lot of difficult environments where you like, you don't have a choice to be lazy with that stuff because it's literally your survival.

• 1:20:59Speaker 03

  Traveling internationally as an American right now, do people judge you? Like, do they hear that you're American be like, oh, this fucking guy?

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  You know what? Everyone, if you're a janitor or whatever, if you're fired up and cool with people,

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  I don't think, I think everyone respects that.

• 1:21:18Speaker 03

  But they're not like heat checking you on politics like?

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  I mean, traditionally, the Western Europeans were probably the worst at that. Like, what do you think about this president? You know, it's like, hey, man, I just met you.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  And your system isn't going perfect right now either. So don't, don't, don't.

• 1:21:36Speaker 00

  Also, you're welcome for those wars that we won.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not getting any of it.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  And with the camera out, that, does that make it easier or harder?

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  I think harder because it's awkward. It's awkward putting a camera out. It's awkward putting a camera on your face. As crazy as it sounds, I don't even enjoy that.

• 1:21:59Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  I don't even enjoy putting like, I wanted, my job is to go get the story from the locals, bring it back to people in their homes. I'm just the conduit. It's not a story about me. I try not to be. And some of them I have to make it more because I don't have the ingredients, don't have the characters. But it's awkward to me still, like talking to camera. I'd, I'd rather not. I would rather with YouTube, not post a thumbnail or a title. Just be like, my video to the Rockaways and there's like a picture of a picture or something. But you have to, you know how this works.

• 1:22:38Speaker 00

  There's got to be covers.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. You gotta get a curiosity gap. You gotta get people interested.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  What were your parents thinking when you were just like off travel?

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  They checked out because I'm the last of three. So by the time I came around, I mean, I was out in a van at 18, right after high school, living on a, in a carved out plumbing van, basically with a buddy of mine.

• 1:23:03Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:23:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, with our lawn mowing money, checking out the country.

• 1:23:06Speaker 02

  You, you did a van life?

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, but pre nice van life. It was a thermarest on the ground, no insulation.

• 1:23:13Speaker 03

  No video to tell you how to do it. You just made it up.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  It was literally like a cargo van with no windows. Like you would think it's a plumbing van. Lived out of that.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  And didn't you have like a country? How comfy did you make it?

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Not very comfy. It was just plastic bins up the side. We had mountain bikes hanging from the top. And it was just, my head was down between the front two seats and my buddy's head was at the back doors. And we basically crawl, our bodies crossed, mummy bags, it was tight.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  And were there nights where it was absolutely freezing?

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Freezing.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  And what do you do in there?

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  After in Wyoming, you go to Seattle and then you get, and then it gets so wet that it's raining inside the van because the top is metal and all the condensation. And you're getting like sniper hits in your ears and stuff.

• 1:23:59Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  But you're like, that, that day was so fricking cool, whatever. Because you're young, you're bulletproof.

• 1:24:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  That's what I want to get out. That's what I want to get out to your gen is you gotta be young, young.

• 1:24:14Speaker 03

  Fucking 30 years old.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  He's old.

• 1:24:16Speaker 03

  I'm young 30.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  39.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay. Well, the 20 somethings, the 20 something.

• 1:24:20Speaker 00

  He's 39?

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  I forget sometimes.

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  Since you've been honest about your age, you've gotten older, bro.

• 1:24:27Speaker 02

  I'm 35.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  The 20 somethings, you gotta go out and do that adventurous stuff, I'd say.

• 1:24:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  Because right now I don't want to do it.

• 1:24:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, you, you lose the, you lose like the need for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want, yeah, it's nice to chill at home.

• 1:24:45Speaker 03

  What's the craziest person or some of the craziest people you've met that didn't want to be on camera? And that you were like, ah dude, what you just told me was insane and I wish I could record it.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  Nothing's coming to mind, but it's happened so much.

• 1:24:58Speaker 03

  Like, is it typically crime related?

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  Sometimes the best and everything comes to, everything comes to a line eventually. Like I can get in with the Hasidics, but then there's going to be a door eventually, like a steel door that I'm not going through.

• 1:25:14Speaker 00

  That they won't allow you into? Is that what you're saying?

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, look, I'm a, I'm getting into someone's life. They have to want it, obviously. But, you know, the farthest I got with the Schwartz and Trubers, I got in the house, but I couldn't put the camera on their faces.

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  I would have loved to. They were, they were like straight out of a storybook from 1857.

• 1:25:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. And what about their faces?

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  Just, you ever open a history book?

• 1:25:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  It was them.

• 1:25:43Speaker 00

  Just like Van Gogh painting.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  It was like they have not seen a chemical in their food. They have, they have.

• 1:25:50Speaker 00

  How were their teeth?

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  The teeth were white.

• 1:25:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  And nice, no sugar.

• 1:25:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Nothing processed.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Nothing processed.

• 1:25:59Speaker 02

  Is there incest with those communities?

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm sure it happens a bit.

• 1:26:03Speaker 00

  But for fun though, not like.

• 1:26:07Speaker 00

  Not for whatever reason you're thinking. It's just old fashioned funsies.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  You know who has the whitest teeth?

• 1:26:14Speaker 00

  Who?

• 1:26:15Speaker 01

  The Eritreans. Eritrea in Africa.

• 1:26:18Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, the Eritreans. Yeah.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  They have, they have four flights in and out a day. That is a closed off country.

• 1:26:25Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they, they, from what I was told, their food is all organic.

• 1:26:32Speaker 03

  Makes sense. Were they straight? Like their teeth were straight?

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Straight isn't straight. Yeah. Straight teeth.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  White, blinging white. You're like, wow, those are the whitest teeth.

• 1:26:42Speaker 00

  Did you go or you read this?

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  I went there.

• 1:26:44Speaker 00

  Oh, how was?

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  It was great. It was interesting because the Italians colonized it. So they left a lot of Art Deco.

• 1:26:50Speaker 03

  They're gonna, they're.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  Which is a trip and you're at 7,000 feet. Cycling is the main sport.

• 1:26:55Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  They got like, you can get a nice cappuccino and get on your road bike.

• 1:26:59Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  Fact. Yeah. And Africa's what? 56, 58 countries? They're all different. Just like every one of these places. Just like the whole point of the channel and the book, which I didn't mention, thanks for putting it out there, is to tap Americans into a bubble they might not interact with because they're all in our bubbles.

• 1:27:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  Doesn't matter who you are. If you're growing up in the nicest, if you're in Greenwich, you're in the hood, you're in Amish country. Everyone's in their own world. Our country's so big and interesting that we got a million different types of existences. And this, this channel, the whole point, there is a meaning behind it because it's a lot of work. The point is to like lower the temperature politically, tap into some other type of people that you might not normally hang out with. You'll probably come away smiling, being like, that was sort of cool. Maybe it's not my thing, but it was cool. And I'm, we're in a country where it's so big, you can still explore uncharted territory.

• 1:28:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  Example, St. Lawrence Island, Alaska, went there a few years ago. That's in the book, that chapter.

• 1:28:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Probably the most mystical, interesting place I've been. I'm putting that in the world.

• 1:28:12Speaker 00

  Where is St. Lawrence?

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  It's, you go Nome, Alaska, and then you got about an hour, hour and a half flight off of it.

• 1:28:18Speaker 00

  And it's basically in between.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  Russia.

• 1:28:21Speaker 00

  And.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  You can see Russia. It's 30 miles away.

• 1:28:24Speaker 03

  Isn't it like split? Isn't like the island like half Russia or half?

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:28:28Speaker 00

  US or something like that?

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  It's that one. It's three times the size of Maui. It's huge. You can't go there as a tourist.

• 1:28:35Speaker 00

  Why not?

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  The natives, Siberian upics have full control of it. You can get invited in. There are two towns. And they're still hunting whales, walrus, reindeer.

• 1:28:48Speaker 03

  So the people that live here, they're American?

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  They're American and that's the trip. That's what I try to get in the book and my videos. I'm watching a, what is it called? Nuf talk or something? It's like some traditional wedding ceremony. Like, like I'm in Burma or something. And there's the US flag right there with the USPS underneath. And then you have Miami and those are in the same country and you're like, what a trip.

• 1:29:11Speaker 00

  I mean, are we the most diverse country in the world by far?

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  I think so. And just so cool in that sense.

• 1:29:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  It like, we can get to Africa quicker from here than there. And that's in the same country.

• 1:29:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  You know, not telling anyone to go there because they're not going to be able to go there.

• 1:29:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  It's basically like you enter a ranch and there are no trespassing signs.

• 1:29:36Speaker 01

  You don't see that, but that's the legality of it. It's their place. You could technically land in the airport because it's Alaskan state, but you wouldn't be able to leave the runway.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  Who'd you connect with there to get permission?

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  Like most of my stuff, some guy, someone through someone, through someone. And that was hard work getting that. And so when I get this stuff first, stuff like this, and I put all the time in months of work, and then some YouTubers like, hey, who'd you go meet? I'm like, ah, man, I, that, that's the hard part. Is making all that happen, right?

• 1:30:10Speaker 03

  What about the place in Alaska that the whole town lives in one building?

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  Whittier, Alaska.

• 1:30:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's cool.

• 1:30:16Speaker 03

  It's bizarre. They're all.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  Have you been there? Yeah, I did a video there.

• 1:30:19Speaker 00

  How was that?

• 1:30:20Speaker 01

  It was cool. It's very communal.

• 1:30:22Speaker 03

  You have to get there through a tunnel? It's like multi mile.

• 1:30:24Speaker 00

  Did I, I think I watched your video where there's the person that has the corner store there.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:29Speaker 00

  That was your video then?

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:32Speaker 03

  And why are they all only in one building? Is it just the?

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  It's just space. There's not, you know, it's space, harsh climate. I think it's easier to do that. It's a port town.

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  Well, it's great. I mean, that just the point of everything, and I beat it home a million times, but like, you could get lost in this country for a lifetime. I was just on Orcas Island, Washington. What did I know about the island culture in Washington State? Nothing.

• 1:30:56Speaker 00

  And?

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Until I went there. It was awesome.

• 1:30:59Speaker 00

  And what was?

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  Sort of the hippie artistic culture.

• 1:31:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  Some, if you wanna, if you wanna rip off, live off the land a bit, have a close community, tons of safety, be removed, that's your place.

• 1:31:12Speaker 00

  Is there any community you really wanna get connected to that you've had difficulty doing?

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  I was trying this last series in Washington to get in with the Hutterites.

• 1:31:21Speaker 00

  What are the Hutterites?

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  The Hutterites have communal land. They basically have these acreage plots, I don't know, depending on how big the colony is, where they share the land, they have, you know, they're pretty much self-contained with what they do, but they interact with the outside world. They're farming usually, they're selling their goods.

• 1:31:42Speaker 00

  They look likeemenites or?

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  They do, yep. But the difference is, the land is communal. Nobody owns their own land, from my understanding.

• 1:31:50Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  So I was trying to get in with them forever, and it's a hard sell. Hey, guys, I make videos, would love to get in with you. I didn't have the, the right backdoor content, uh, contact.

• 1:32:01Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  Which is what this tough takes. So if anyone out there in your audience-

• 1:32:07Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying, put it out.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  You know, has those contacts, um-

• 1:32:11Speaker 00

  What else? What other communities?

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  In the United States?

• 1:32:14Speaker 00

  Anywhere.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  I'm US-centric right now because I feel like this is where the most worth and need is in what we're doing.

• 1:32:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  I know that sounds romantic, but-

• 1:32:26Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  I'm just interested in it. I'm not really interested in the world as much right now. I did the world, I seen 85 countries, I lived in the world, four different countries overseas. Now I'm like, when I came back in 20, it was like, wait, you guys arguing over what? Cause I, I completely separated.

• 1:32:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  I was gone for the Trump years completely. I didn't pay attention to the news once. I was, I was learning about Pakistani politics.

• 1:32:51Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  Or Ukrainian politics.

• 1:32:53Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  And so when I came back, that for you, you know, when you don't see a kid, niece or nephew or something in four years, you're like, whoa, what happened?

• 1:33:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  That's how I felt about the country.

• 1:33:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  I was like, what happened?

• 1:33:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Why is it so, there's so much more tension in the air?

• 1:33:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:08Speaker 01

  And then I, uh, and then I realized, like, this is where we can actually do something. You know, that's meaningful.

• 1:33:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:18Speaker 01

  Again, as corny as that sounds, cause it's, if it was just money, I'd probably do something else. Cause I'd fry it on this thing.

• 1:33:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:25Speaker 01

  It's a lot of hotel beds.

• 1:33:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, a lot of hotel beds.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  Have you ever been, like, in any groups or cultures where, like, morally, you felt bad with, like, how they conducted themselves? Like, maybe like a KKK group, or even maybe some of the gangs, or things like that?

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  Some of the native stuff. I've done a lot of native reservations, a lot of tribes in this country. We have 576 federally recognized tribes.

• 1:33:52Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  They're all different. And they're all different socio-economically.

• 1:33:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  I mean, the default is, it's, the rez is harsher, for sure. But there's some rez's that are doing extremely well monetarily.

• 1:34:04Speaker 00

  Like who? Who's doing this now?

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Uh, there's some in, there's one in Washington, I forget the name of.

• 1:34:10Speaker 00

  One to casinos, most likely?

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  The casinos, the, the Seminoles are extremely successful monetarily.

• 1:34:15Speaker 00

  South Florida?

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, some have figured it out in a way where they're very good business people, entrepreneurs, know how to do it, and others don't. And some are highly corrupt. Bureau of Indian Affairs, depending on the rez, can be highly corrupt or not.

• 1:34:35Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:34:36Speaker 01

  There's a lot of infighting, there's a lot of money going to the top, no going down to the people.

• 1:34:41Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  You can go to Cherokee in North Carolina, the Cherokee rez, it's way nicer on the rez than off the rez.

• 1:34:48Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:34:50Speaker 01

  Usually you go on the rez, it gets a little more beat up. Cherokee, it gets nicer. It's beautiful.

• 1:34:55Speaker 00

  Then why is that?

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  Uh, they own gas stations. I believe they own gas stations. I believe, I was watching a big weed operation being built up, but I don't wanna say anything for sure. I don't know if they're selling that now or not. Uh, gaming, casinos usually do well.

• 1:35:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  Um, you go to Navajo Nation, it's the size of New Jersey.

• 1:35:15Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 1:35:16Speaker 01

  It's the size of Israel, basically.

• 1:35:18Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  That's like its own country out there.

• 1:35:21Speaker 02

  Do you ever see situations where, like, the people at the top don't really look native? Where you see some people-

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Because, look, everything, there are very few native, full natives left. Like, native Hawaiians, 100%, there aren't many.

• 1:35:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  Like, everything is diluted down over the times. And so every, every tribes have different blood, blood quantums. Like, you can be part of the tribe if you're one-fourth. I believe it's usually one-fourth. Some, I believe, go up to one-eighth.

• 1:35:50Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:35:50Speaker 01

  So you can see a guy that looks totally white, but is native.

• 1:35:53Speaker 00

  But is native.

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  And is there any type of, like, internal convo or conflict with that, where, like, the guy at the top is like-

• 1:35:59Speaker 01

  I think sometimes.

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  A white guy named, like, Greg, and he's making all this money, and you're like, well, this is not really what this was about?

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I think it's like, let me say a positive. On the rez's, you meet some of the best people. They're the best storyteller. You should get a good native guy in here.

• 1:36:18Speaker 00

  Yes, that'd be-

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  They're the best storytellers by far. I got a woman from St. Lawrence Island, I don't know if she'd come here, but they will, like, you know in Jersey, to get your attention, like, I was with my cousin Anthony yesterday, old-school, hobo-kin, Italian-American, you stop paying attention for a second, they start hitting you.

• 1:36:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, hey, hey, hey, they get louder, and they're entertaining, and, and they get your attention.

• 1:36:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  They do the opposite.

• 1:36:41Speaker 00

  They get quiet.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  They'll start, like, leaving these long pauses, and you're like, what's coming next? And it, like, brings you in, almost to this hypnosis. I have that writing in St. Lawrence Island, the best storytellers I've come across.

• 1:36:56Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:36:57Speaker 01

  So, that's a positive. Depending on the person, they're connected to the environment or not. Someone might preach to you about the environment all day, and you're standing, his car's over here with oil dripping into the ground, there's junk everywhere, and he's talking about Mother Earth and the environment, and you're like, you're trying to square that scene.

• 1:37:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  Which is interesting. I have theories, I have, I mean, they were never, traditionally natives did not accumulate many things. My guess, and I'd love for someone in the comments, is when things have been taken away, let's say, your defense against that is accumulating as much as possible. Maybe that's it, subconsciously.

• 1:37:42Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:37:45Speaker 00

  I've watched a lot of the native videos they've done, and then I've also seen a bunch of the Appalachian videos. And do you see any parallels between-

• 1:37:55Speaker 01

  Oh, big time.

• 1:37:56Speaker 00

  What has happened to those two communities?

• 1:37:58Speaker 01

  Big time. I would even say inner-city. You can tie that in too.

• 1:38:04Speaker 00

  So, yeah.

• 1:38:04Speaker 01

  To some of it. I, I, hear me out, I don't wanna, you're from the inner-city, right?

• 1:38:10Speaker 00

  I'm from a beach community.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:38:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:14Speaker 01

  But like-

• 1:38:14Speaker 00

  I'm from the inner-city. This is what the inner-city people in New York City look like right here.

• 1:38:19Speaker 01

  You're the project.

• 1:38:19Speaker 00

  That's what, you live in a beach community.

• 1:38:22Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:38:22Speaker 00

  In flip-flops and-

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  Okay, let me start with that one, though. Appalachia natives, 100%.

• 1:38:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  Cause in Appalachia, I find, half, they work real, I'm, I'm, no one has the number, obviously, but half work really hard. They're like, hard-working, salt of the earth. I'm in the coal mine at five, I'm doing six days this week.

• 1:38:44Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  And half are smashed out on drugs, living off the system.

• 1:38:49Speaker 00

  And when did that happen? Do they speak on that at all?

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you gotta think, this is those, that region in West Virginia, Kentucky, Virginia, that region built the country, the industry of this country.

• 1:39:02Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  So you gotta think of these towns, we had all the company towns, they were getting paid in script, company money, that doesn't work outside the company town.

• 1:39:11Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:39:12Speaker 01

  But all the money is leaving town in dollars, building these cities. So all the steel in this building and every building around us.

• 1:39:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:21Speaker 01

  That's the part of the country that stuff's coming out of. They feel put under the bus. Here's why. Cause coal is a pejorative now. Coal's the bad thing, cause it's dirty. But you want steel, you need coal. The blast furnace, need, need steel, uh, need coal.

• 1:39:38Speaker 00

  You need iron or limestone.

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  And so they're like, a lot of them out there feel like left behind, and understandably so. And most people historically have come in Hollywood or whomever, let's put these people under the bus, they're redneck, they're redneck hicks, and they suck. Right? And so they feel like they've been pushed down a lot. That's why when you go in there with a camera, when I first did, you really had to open them up.

• 1:40:03Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  Get the trust to film them. But I love, I love it out there.

• 1:40:08Speaker 00

  So historically, they feel like they built the country?

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  Many do, yeah, because those were the coal mines, that was where the coal was coming from.

• 1:40:15Speaker 00

  And then they were what?

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  Now it's, you're, you're dumb mag of rednecks.

• 1:40:22Speaker 00

  So, so we built the country, you guys need us to win wars and build infrastructure and make this the world's superpower.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  Make your riches.

• 1:40:29Speaker 00

  And I'm sure they've been fed those stories where it's like, those, those buildings in your big New York City and all these other cities would not be erected without the, the steel that we're making right here.

• 1:40:38Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:40:40Speaker 00

  And then what happened? The industry leaves, and there, it's almost as if there's no gratitude for the sacrifice they made? Like, what is, what is their?

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  The cultural story changed, and politically, let's say.

• 1:40:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Whoever's more pro-coal wins. It's that simple out there. So that was more staunchly blue than even here, I believe. I think, I, I don't know for sure, but in the Clinton election, I think they went more blue than New York City, or very close.

• 1:41:08Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 1:41:09Speaker 01

  So whoever's more coal, and think about it, your industry, let's just call it podcasting, you do, do you do a million things? If there's a, if there's a politician that says, no more podcasts, we're gonna shut that stuff down.

• 1:41:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Thank God, I'll vote for him immediately.

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  You get your sleeper.

• 1:41:23Speaker 00

  An amazing idea. Do that. Great platform.

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't speak for everyone out there, but I would say a lot of, lot feel left behind. And I think there's more positive messaging coming out there, and it needs attention. There are parts of the country, that be the hoods, the rez's, deep Appalachia, we need more attention on as a country, in my opinion.

• 1:41:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:47Speaker 02

  And how would you associate that with the hoods?

• 1:41:52Speaker 01

  Ah, the hoods, okay, so if you're, if you're on drugs, I mean, there's a high drug usage out there, probably more in Appalachia, I would say, than the hoods, but I would say economic desperation. But I would say the difference of the hoods,

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  that is actually an advantage over Appalachia, this sounds wild, but hear me out.

• 1:42:14Speaker 01

  If you can pull your pants up and be educated, motivated, the economy is literally seven stops away on the subway. Where those guys are out there.

• 1:42:24Speaker 00

  Forget it.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  They're like,

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  how do you change that, though?

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  I don't know, right, like, the basic stuff, people with good parenting, good community are usually gonna come out better.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:37Speaker 01

  Plenty of exceptions, always. But your mom's on meth and your dad's in prison, good luck, it's gonna be harder. But then, some of the most badass people.

• 1:42:48Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  Do really well, cuz they like, they like eject out of that stuff.

• 1:42:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, but if they're not near an economic zone or an opportunity zone, it's very difficult. Whereas like the hood is always in close proximity to an economic zone.

• 1:43:03Speaker 01

  Right, but you gotta wanna go into an office or whatever, I never, I was never wired for that.

• 1:43:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  It's far away, an hour and a half, only for the city.

• 1:43:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, the city's not gonna be built around a beach.

• 1:43:16Speaker 00

  No way that that would happen.

• 1:43:17Speaker 03

  There's also probably that feeling of like, oh, we contributed to this nation, right?

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  Big time.

• 1:43:22Speaker 03

  Especially like in the hoods, like, okay, like, my ancestors were brought here, we built America, and then now we're just forgotten about in this, you know, project somewhere.

• 1:43:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wish it was more of a national conversations, cuz I try to bring these stories out for the reason of like, hey, you don't, you don't interface with this in your daily life, where you're living in, say, New Hampshire or something, but it exists in our country, we should put attention on these places. Unfortunately, it's not just money, I wish it was, that would be easy, if you just throw a bunch of money and fix the problem, it doesn't work that way.

• 1:43:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  And I see that you care and you're opinionated, how hard is it to keep your opinions or biases out of the videos you put?

• 1:44:03Speaker 01

  Just how, how do I wanna be treated? If, if someone presents something to me, present it how it is, don't, don't change the course of it to your liking, and let me make my decision, and I try to keep, like, respect my audience the same.

• 1:44:18Speaker 02

  So like, even if you see they're doing like, some type of crime or something negative right in front of you, you don't?

• 1:44:23Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm gonna show that, and it, and it, and it throws the audience, maybe it's what works on the channel. You're doing all this nice stuff, and then all of a sudden, someone doesn't see that thing happening immediately, and I'm gonna show it. Cuz literally, there's so much power, as you guys know, in the editing, in the camera work. I could go down, I can make the worst New York City video right now, New York is down and out, everyone's leaving.

• 1:44:47Speaker 00

  Easily.

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  It's awful, look at all these homeless, or I can make the nicest New York, and that's all, and I, I want people to know, those that are in media understand this, but like, question everything, every creator, what they're dishing up, like, what's their angle?

• 1:45:04Speaker 00

  What's their audience, what are they trying to serve?

• 1:45:06Speaker 01

  And I've done border stories during the last four years, when the border was insane, and I just wanna see what's going on. And I've done Muslims in America stories and Dearborn, that weren't putting them under the bus. So I, I equally piss off both sides, and I'm totally good with that, I'm not trying to fit in any group. But of course, I have my biases and opinions with things, I try to keep it out as much as possible.

• 1:45:31Speaker 03

  And is it really just your wife editing all these?

• 1:45:33Speaker 01

  Just her, and we can't outsource it because.

• 1:45:36Speaker 03

  Shout out to her.

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:45:38Speaker 01

  Natalia makes it happen.

• 1:45:41Speaker 00

  Respect.

• 1:45:41Speaker 01

  She's the best, she's at home editing right now, she, she enjoys it, I hope that stays that way.

• 1:45:49Speaker 01

  But it's like, I did a story, the guy, his family came over from Tijuana, and then he's showing where his dad was in sort of this swamp area, hiding from the feds, and he grew up in LA.

• 1:46:03Speaker 01

  Here's the nuance that could be left if I'm outsourcing this editing. He said, but I was, but I, but I was born here, so technically, he's an American citizen, this is where our system works. But if I was born here, was left out, a lot of the viewers would say, hey, here's this illegal guy.

• 1:46:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:21Speaker 01

  And you have all these little things that it really needs a close eye on, if I had a real estate channel, there's like 10 places to buy in New York City, that would be easy to outsource.

• 1:46:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, stakes are lower.

• 1:46:36Speaker 01

  Stakes are lower, you can really people, put people under the bus when you get into the sensitive cultural stuff, and that's not the goal.

• 1:46:43Speaker 03

  What kind of role does like spiritualism or religion play, specifically in these types of communities that are a bit more destitute? Do you find that they're more religious, they have more like superstition, and it's kind of like mystical thinking?

• 1:46:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I would say, um, I run into more Christianity than I thought I would, to be honest, a lot of like firm believers. I never know what's gonna come out, I don't like vet strangers before I talk to them on camera. There's a lot more than of that than I thought.

• 1:47:14Speaker 00

  In America, you're saying?

• 1:47:15Speaker 01

  In America, and then on the rez, it's split, some are Christian, some are more native mystical.

• 1:47:25Speaker 01

  It's really split on that front.

• 1:47:27Speaker 03

  And does it manifest in their lives, like, are you like, oh, I wanna go to this place, and they're like, oh, you can't go over there, there's like a witch over there, like, is there like that type of like, almost like folklore kind of thing?

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, on the rez is, you, you have the skinwalkers, you have these, I went up near this cave that was sketchy, just sketchy. Like, you, you feel something like in your bones.

• 1:47:48Speaker 01

  You're like, get, get away from that environment.

• 1:47:51Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, and then there are a lot of traditions, and my wife, Ukrainian pagan roots, there's a lot of almost similar superstitions, they're very superstitious.

• 1:48:00Speaker 00

  I heard something so different.

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  What pagan? You gotta meet my wife.

• 1:48:05Speaker 00

  I heard pegging.

• 1:48:07Speaker 01

  Pegging, oh, pagan roots?

• 1:48:09Speaker 00

  Peter, you're letting it loose.

• 1:48:12Speaker 00

  My wife has a Ukrainian tradition. It's called pagan.

• 1:48:16Speaker 02

  And I respect your culture. I don't, I don't love it, but it's her life, you know?

• 1:48:20Speaker 00

  No, they have pagan, pagan tradition.

• 1:48:22Speaker 01

  Like, like, in the Hogans in Navajo Nation, you drop your key, you're in the Hogan, you know, the round structure. You drop your keys or something on the ground, do not go counterclockwise.

• 1:48:35Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:48:36Speaker 01

  Go clockwise, even if you gotta run the whole thing, there's all these cool little traditions, I like it.

• 1:48:41Speaker 03

  Because counterclockwise is some type of insidious.

• 1:48:44Speaker 01

  You throw off the spirits, I don't know, they all have a belief in like, they, they have different way of saying it, like little green men, little men, you respect them. I was properly creeped out, I stayed in an old infirmary on St. Lawrence Island, cuz there was no housing. I went in with a sleeping bag, thinking I'd be on someone's floor, they put me up in an old infirmary, that they all agreed on the island was haunted. And it was wild, I was putting little flowers near my door to ward off the spirits.

• 1:49:15Speaker 01

  You gotta ward off the spirits, Andrew.

• 1:49:16Speaker 02

  Do you believe?

• 1:49:17Speaker 00

  Why do the spirits not like flowers?

• 1:49:19Speaker 01

  The spirit, if you pay attention, they will get in your head and rattle it.

• 1:49:23Speaker 00

  So you don't let them get in your head?

• 1:49:25Speaker 01

  No, so you put flowers out there and you respect them.

• 1:49:27Speaker 03

  It's like an offering.

• 1:49:28Speaker 00

  It's an offering, it's like, hey, I'm, I appreciate you letting me be here.

• 1:49:32Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm not a threat.

• 1:49:34Speaker 00

  And so what happened to me, do you feel like it was haunted?

• 1:49:37Speaker 01

  Man, that's, I, I hate to leave the cliffhanger, it's in the book.

• 1:49:42Speaker 01

  It's in the book, it's a great chapter, um, it's hard to explain, it says, some of these things are feelings, and they sound really kooky when you're in an environment like this. But sometimes, when in Rome, you just sort of have to go with how things are.

• 1:49:54Speaker 03

  Hey, I'm a full believer, dude.

• 1:49:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, I believe in spirit.

• 1:49:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, and like.

• 1:49:58Speaker 03

  It's not gonna sound kooky to me.

• 1:50:00Speaker 00

  He loves, he believes in demons, he believes in everything.

• 1:50:03Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:50:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I believe in, I believe in the truth about our cosmic nature, okay?

• 1:50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so they do too, and it's, it does, I mean, I don't know, there's something, a story that gets passed down, generation after generation, we have, we have Christmas, and we have, we have some great ones, but, uh, I like it, I think it adds to a culture.

• 1:50:21Speaker 00

  Did you see anything in the infirmary?

• 1:50:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:50:24Speaker 00

  But you felt?

• 1:50:25Speaker 01

  I heard it.

• 1:50:26Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 1:50:26Speaker 01

  I felt it.

• 1:50:27Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 1:50:27Speaker 01

  Pinging, pinging, pinging, pinging, go for the door handle where the noise is coming from, it's way colder than the air temperature, why, I don't know, I feel it.

• 1:50:36Speaker 00

  Weird. Wait a minute. So you go to open the door, and the handle's freezing cold.

• 1:50:43Speaker 01

  Freezing cold, way colder than the air temperature.

• 1:50:46Speaker 00

  And then you hear pinging in the infirmary?

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  Pinging, pinging, pinging, pinging, and everyone in town knows this story, and nobody stares there, and they gave it to me.

• 1:50:55Speaker 00

  Why the fuck would they give it to you?

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  Cuz that was the only thing.

• 1:50:58Speaker 00

  You couldn't just stay in somebody's, um, igloo?

• 1:51:01Speaker 01

  They're packed in.

• 1:51:03Speaker 00

  Whatever it is, where do they stay?

• 1:51:04Speaker 01

  They got little homes above ground because of the permafrost.

• 1:51:07Speaker 00

  The piping has to be above ground, too, right?

• 1:51:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:10Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:51:11Speaker 01

  They were so cool.

• 1:51:12Speaker 03

  Did you sleep at all that night?

• 1:51:15Speaker 01

  I was up and, up and, and then you get so fatigued, on these shoots, and you're in a totally different environment, you're trying to make videos, and you're just exhausted by the end of the day.

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• 1:53:59Speaker 00

  Were they trying to spook you, you think?

• 1:54:01Speaker 01

  It could be.

• 1:54:02Speaker 00

  Hazing.

• 1:54:02Speaker 01

  You know, the thing is there, like, they accused me in the beginning, and these people were awesome, okay? But one of the ladies in the tribal council accused me of, or was she a member or council? I forget, she was in the government there, of shooting videos of the soda delivery. Because, like what happened here, if you had no stimulants, like there's no alcohol on the island, nothing comes in. The next best thing is Coca-Cola. So when that plane comes in with Coca-Cola, it's Black Friday.

• 1:54:36Speaker 00

  They go crazy.

• 1:54:37Speaker 01

  They go nuts over it.

• 1:54:38Speaker 00

  Whoa. And what happens?

• 1:54:40Speaker 01

  It's just bum rush towards the Coca-Cola. Yeah, I didn't record it though, I just wanna put that one for the record.

• 1:54:46Speaker 00

  Because they'd be embarrassed about that.

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  And the pilot, I believe, on the plane recorded it. I was accused of recording that in the beginning, but that was not my goal to go there and put anyone under the bus.

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  Are they making like sounds and stuff?

• 1:54:57Speaker 01

  Like, it's pretty hardcore.

• 1:55:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:55:02Speaker 03

  Tell me, tell me, tell me, I gotta know. I gotta know, I gotta know, I gotta know.

• 1:55:06Speaker 00

  But check out, they hunt whales.

• 1:55:08Speaker 03

  No, that's also cool, but like the Coca-Cola thing is like, this is one of the most unique cultural experiences that exists the entire world. They know the Coca-Cola plant is coming. Does the plane have like any moniker?

• 1:55:19Speaker 01

  No, it's just the food that's coming in.

• 1:55:22Speaker 03

  But it's not about the food, it's about that Coca-Cola.

• 1:55:25Speaker 00

  And then when the Coca-Cola pallet gets removed from the plane, are they watching?

• 1:55:29Speaker 01

  I just saw it in the store.

• 1:55:32Speaker 00

  Oh, you saw it being brought in?

• 1:55:33Speaker 01

  You see a huge flocking towards the product.

• 1:55:36Speaker 00

  Wow. And then, are they limited the amount that they can take?

• 1:55:39Speaker 01

  It goes out, that's the problem.

• 1:55:41Speaker 00

  Immediately?

• 1:55:42Speaker 01

  It runs out. It's like, maybe like, I wasn't here for COVID, but toilet paper, I saw the videos.

• 1:55:48Speaker 03

  Is there a second-hand market? Are there people like slinging Coca-Cola on the side?

• 1:55:52Speaker 01

  Maybe, I think they do some moonshine there. But look, this is a, the place was awesome, the people were so cool. I don't wanna make it look like they're all just racing for Coca-Cola. That's the problem with this stuff, with these videos. Because you have, like, what's the reflective truths? Like, what is the absolute, what percentage of that is the truth of the thing?

• 1:56:12Speaker 03

  There might be a hundred people that are stoked, but the rest of the people are not.

• 1:56:16Speaker 01

  It was 3% of the whole island doing that, right? But the way the media, I mean, social media works is it's like, oh, they're all doing that. That's the hardest thing with what I'm doing, because I try to be as fair as possible. But it's, how do you do that right?

• 1:56:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. You don't wanna paint them all with the same brush, if it's only 3%.

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  Because I look at everyone as an individual.

• 1:56:38Speaker 00

  Coke heads.

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  Coke heads?

• 1:56:40Speaker 00

  Coca-Cola.

• 1:56:44Speaker 00

  If that is the case, seeing how much joy they get from Coca-Cola, is there a little part of you that would like them to try some other?

• 1:56:52Speaker 01

  Pepsi?

• 1:56:53Speaker 00

  Let's not get crazy.

• 1:56:54Speaker 03

  It's sweeter.

• 1:56:55Speaker 01

  I've never had a Coke in my life.

• 1:56:57Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:56:57Speaker 01

  I took a sip, I thought it was awful.

• 1:56:59Speaker 00

  And then when you see them?

• 1:57:01Speaker 01

  I like chocolate.

• 1:57:04Speaker 00

  Did you bring chocolate?

• 1:57:05Speaker 01

  I did, I brought a whole, like, almost a hockey bag full of fruit I thought they would have loved. So I'm thinking papayas, mangoes, things that are probably not getting up there. And when I gave the gifts to the, those in government, when I was trying to get a permit, they weren't really pleased at first. They're like, you can't buy me off with gifts.

• 1:57:25Speaker 00

  And did you show them the type of gifts that you got?

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  I was like, I got this papaya from South Florida, unbruised.

• 1:57:32Speaker 00

  And they were not stoked?

• 1:57:33Speaker 01

  I was proud of that, not at first. But then, look, you always gotta wonder, since you say I'm the CIA or cop or whatever, right? What's this dude's intention? He's coming in with a camera, what is this? I think that's for a-

• 1:57:47Speaker 00

  Unbruised papaya?

• 1:57:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought that was-

• 1:57:51Speaker 00

  No, that's impressive, but also if you're like a customs person, and I'm seeing you come with an unbruised papaya from Florida.

• 1:58:00Speaker 01

  You're thinking, what?

• 1:58:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, something sketchy.

• 1:58:02Speaker 00

  This guy's never had Coca-Cola and he can have it whenever he wants? And he's bringing fruits? You know what I mean? Like, what's going on here?

• 1:58:12Speaker 01

  I think you'd have a good time with them. You guys could have some, some good stories about me on that one. Yeah, it doesn't totally make sense, I know. But I was thinking, what's rare, what are they not getting?

• 1:58:25Speaker 00

  I think that's a very thoughtful gift. They say that, yeah, go.

• 1:58:29Speaker 01

  Nah, I could get some Target t-shirts or something.

• 1:58:32Speaker 00

  No, no, there's a place, I forget where it is, it's like, I don't know if it's Tahiti or something, that they love like Fanta orange.

• 1:58:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:40Speaker 00

  It's something, it's like, that's the thing you get, that's what they want and that's the thing you bring and that's the, you like tip with that, basically.

• 1:58:47Speaker 03

  Do they ever give you gifts? Like any of these places or communities?

• 1:58:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:51Speaker 03

  Like, what's one of the more interesting gifts you've got?

• 1:58:56Speaker 01

  I got a truck from the Civil War area, war era, like a, like a old steel truck. This little thing, how toys were made back then, it's like 10 pounds. And this guy was a coal miner. Seventh, no, sixth generation coal miner. Just cool stuff like that, that you would never be able to get anywhere else. The sheriffs like to give me challenge coins.

• 1:59:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 1:59:25Speaker 01

  And the sheriffs are great because they'll get you in.

• 1:59:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:59:28Speaker 01

  I didn't know about this, police departments, you can't get access. Like, as a creator, Glendale PD, shout out to Glendale, outside of Phoenix, the only one that let me in.

• 1:59:39Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:59:40Speaker 01

  But they're under city governance.

• 1:59:42Speaker 00

  Where sheriff is under state?

• 1:59:45Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:59:45Speaker 00

  The federal?

• 1:59:46Speaker 01

  No, constituents, we vote in our sheriffs. So they only have to win their vote from the people, they don't give a, they don't care. They're totally detached from all the other stuff.

• 1:59:57Speaker 00

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:59:58Speaker 01

  What the city, what the mayor want, what this, who cares, for them? So it's just, I didn't know about this, that's why I love doing this, because I learn about these things just making these videos. It's a really cool system. Now, there are some jurisdictions, like King County in Washington State, where Seattle is, where they've taken that away. So they want the sheriffs under the leadership of the city, basically, or the county.

• 2:00:21Speaker 00

  So sheriffs operate with autonomy?

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  Big time, so on the border, when I was doing those border stories, no one was down there when I started doing those?

• 2:00:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:31Speaker 01

  Customs, border protection couldn't get it, you know, they're not gonna say anything. Police departments, nothing, the sheriffs, they were the, they were the spokespeople for everyone down there.

• 2:00:42Speaker 00

  How was, how wild was the border?

• 2:00:44Speaker 01

  It was insane.

• 2:00:45Speaker 00

  Give me an example. Because we get a lot of information about it, obviously, and people dispute, you know? We hear the caravan and then people say nobody's coming and it's hard to decipher.

• 2:00:56Speaker 01

  So I went down five times, I learned everything every time, obviously. I did stories with human traffickers, I met up with customs, border protection, sheriffs, migrants.

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  Super complicated. I'll try to give the distilled version. Every sector, like we have the San Diego sector, like Tucson sector, Yuma sector, different jurisdictions. The cartels in a way would operate in like the Yuma's where all the foreigners were coming in, not Mexicans. Like 140 nations for like, you're getting Russians in there. You're getting guys from the Middle East, a lot of Indians. So I got this on one of my videos. We're down on the border wall, the fence out in the middle of the desert. And there's maybe 10 Sikhs from India. Okay.

• 2:01:49Speaker 01

  What's their story? They flew Delhi to Mexico City, Mexico City up to Mexicali. Cartel picks them up at the airport, like Epcot Center without the name tags. Brings them to the gap in the wall, gives them a phone, dial 911 when you get to the US side. Our customs border protection comes in on them. The Sinaloa, at the time down there, it was the Sinaloa cartel, quarter mile, half mile, mile down the run is running all the real dark stuff. Sex trafficking stuff, just the really heavy dark stuff. And so they had full operational control. We had to, because of the policies and depending on the country where they're coming from, absorb them.

• 2:02:33Speaker 01

  Their asylum claim, all you had to do, if you're, if you knew what you're doing, you just claim asylum. The vast majority were not. They see green light, their cousins got up, their relatives got up, here's how you do it. And so it was insane. And so I first, I first thought it was hyperbolic. What's the, what's the show on the border? I didn't, I almost wasn't gonna go. And then you see right, right there in the video, all these, there's all this Chinese, a ton of Chinese coming over. We had an OTM policy, other than Mexican.

• 2:03:03Speaker 00

  Which means?

• 2:03:04Speaker 01

  Mexicans got sent back immediately. That's tribal land right now. You see how the, the wall changes between our jurisdiction and the tribe.

• 2:03:12Speaker 00

  Why was, can you say that again, though? The, other than Mexican?

• 2:03:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, other than Mexicans. So if you're from Colombia coming up at the time, you, you pay the cartel. Depending on the time, maybe six grand. Nobody gets in without the cartel. No one's just walking here. Okay. You gotta pay off. You gotta pay the roof. You gotta pay the mob, basically. And so they'll navigate you to the right places. You get over and it just felt so awkward, like, like the cartel let them off, not in this part, but another video. Off at the bridge, they're walking over with their tote behind luggage and our buses are gonna come in. Process, put them into the interior. Asylum claim, maybe in five years, maybe.

• 2:03:58Speaker 01

  And you just, it just felt, it felt weird. It felt off. But Mexicans, our policy was Mexicans couldn't come over. You couldn't, if you walked, came over as a Mexican, you'd get sent back immediately. OTM.

• 2:04:14Speaker 01

  A lot of it doesn't make any sense.

• 2:04:15Speaker 00

  Let them in. They're the best. They're sick.

• 2:04:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's another one of these topics where.

• 2:04:22Speaker 00

  They thought it was just all Mexicans and Latin Americans coming over, across the border.

• 2:04:27Speaker 01

  No, so Yuma County, that, they're all, they're all Indian right there. And they're, they look like they just got out of the shopping mall with a Starbucks in hand, which basically they did. Like, they're not poor. I heard and I don't know, I don't know for sure, because these numbers always range, but it was like 50 grand to get from India at that time.

• 2:04:48Speaker 01

  To pay the cartel the full, the full monty to get up here.

• 2:04:52Speaker 00

  And I'm sure it's something that they pay off.

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so they have family probably in here. They need workers. They get their family members in. I can't speak exactly for this family here. I don't know their story, but a lot of it was that.

• 2:05:09Speaker 01

  And it was a free for all. And all our guys here, this customs border protection guy, border patrol guy. He's like spiritually broken. I would hang out with these guys in the hotels. They couldn't speak, but I'd be on the elevator. And then you could just see the look on them and they're like, I'm like, hang in there, man, hang in there. Cause they're like, wait, my job was to protect our border. Now we're just going green light. My job is to document, change diapers and give someone some food.

• 2:05:39Speaker 01

  WTF. Now you have to look at this too, like Yuma County, that's one hospital. Their hospital got overrun because America's all about acute care. We don't care about citizenship, legality, any of that. If someone's.

• 2:05:53Speaker 00

  You need it, we give it to you.

• 2:05:54Speaker 01

  We give it. And so you'd have women in Yuma County being like, oh, I gotta go, go to Phoenix to give birth. Two hours away, because our hospital is overrun.

• 2:06:03Speaker 00

  By people coming across the border.

• 2:06:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it was just.

• 2:06:06Speaker 00

  And this is where the, I imagine the narrative comes from, where it's like, well, they're receiving Medicare, et cetera. They're just receiving care without having to pay for it because they have no documentation.

• 2:06:16Speaker 01

  And you're, you're overwhelming the system. So I had, I was a bit frustrated when I'd be, say, in the Northeast. I'd be in Vermont, where my mom lives, and I'd talk about it and you're not feeling the problem at all up there. Just because you're not feeling the problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And so, like most things, most people are in the middle on this stuff. It's the far extremes taking all the, all the noise. And nobody likes to see a lot of what we've seen, but there needs to be a national conversation. You know, the criminals, obviously, everyone's pretty much on board. Sayonara.

• 2:06:55Speaker 01

  See you later. If someone's been here 10 years, paid into the system, hasn't committed crimes, that needs to be a national conversation.

• 2:07:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think most people, I mean, look, there are people who are a little bit more severe when it comes to it, but I think most people are like, look. These people have been working a steady job and actually net positive for the economy. But you could literally start with kicking every criminal. And some people will go like, well, coming across the border illegally is a crime. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about violent criminals, drug dealing, these types of things. You kick every single one out, nobody's upset at that at all. I genuinely don't think that single person is giving you pushback that's rational.

• 2:07:35Speaker 01

  No, so we, we have, the border is, is closed now, though.

• 2:07:38Speaker 00

  They were doing a wide net. Of course. And also just violating constitutional shit. You can't walk up to people because they have an accent and be like.

• 2:07:46Speaker 01

  And I saw that in El Paso a year ago. People that voted for Trump. Like the border regions voted overwhelmingly for him. Because they didn't like the chaos.

• 2:07:59Speaker 01

  Once I saw, yeah, once he's like, we're on a very tight line with, tight rope with this right now. Once I get asked, because I've lived in El Paso my whole life, but I have a little bit of a Hispanic accent. And you're gonna profile me? F you, which is understandable. I do it the same way.

• 2:08:17Speaker 03

  Did you learn how like cartel was actually like running their system to get people over?

• 2:08:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, this, this is a deep, deep, deep rabbit hole.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  Which would take multiple podcasts. And I don't even know if I'm the best expert on it, but it's like, the cartel's doing it. International organizations are helping.

• 2:08:41Speaker 01

  You can look into IOM, International Organization of Migration. You know, there is, like, there was sort of a route set up to some degree. But the cartels are the boss here as far as like, you getting over, you're paying them. And they're clearing billions. It's better money than fentanyl. Fentanyl blues go for two bucks, I'm not buying, don't worry about it, two bucks a pill, right? Like little tab in Phoenix is, is two a pill. I mean, people can cost up of 50,000.

• 2:09:13Speaker 01

  You know, so they're, they're banking, they're realizing how weak and chaotic at what we were. And it was just the full on opportunity. And I don't even blame, if I was in Honduras and my cousin just got to New York and he's like, look. I make eight, eight times as much money. And they're actually not even, they're not gonna stop you. They're gonna, they're gonna process you and send you on your way. I'd be, as an ambitious young guy, I'd be doing the same thing. Like, I don't. So in a way, they were hoodwinked in the sense that the administration let them in, hey, we'll give you asylum, sort of. It's gonna be in courts. So they're thinking they're in and now not so much.

• 2:09:58Speaker 01

  And it's just a cluster.

• 2:10:01Speaker 03

  I was talking to a guy, this guy Fernando, who was a coyote for a little bit, like bringing people over. And.

• 2:10:08Speaker 01

  You keep going.

• 2:10:09Speaker 03

  He was explaining to me that, like, there's a, they kind of, like, the cartels, depending on which cartel you're working with, would offer like a package. Where like you go, you pay the money and like they'll put you up in a house, they'll give you like a work vest, like depending on which border.

• 2:10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're paying more and, and a lot of the, from my understanding, the Chinese sort of had their own network and some of those stash houses were nicer from what I heard.

• 2:10:30Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 2:10:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's just, it's a, it's a migration route of houses and.

• 2:10:36Speaker 03

  You go to this house, they give you this thing, they give you like this passport. And the, so like some kid stole it from a tourist or like a visa. And like a tourist was out and then like they snatched it from him and like a pickpocket thing. And then you just show up at the house, they give you the passport, they give you the job. They say, you're going over there to do this, you're gonna use this person's identity. If they ask you these questions, you say this. They like rehearse it and like, they'll like practice with them.

• 2:10:59Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, you're claiming asylum. You're, you're dealing with religious persecution. You have to leave your homeland.

• 2:11:05Speaker 03

  And if your English wasn't that good, they'd be like, okay, we're gonna do two days of English. Like, we'll teach you like the words to say. It's like, it's like an all inclusive thing. It was kind of interesting to me how.

• 2:11:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was so much money being made and it just felt, you know, when things you're around and they just feel wrong.

• 2:11:23Speaker 01

  It just felt wrong. Being there, like the whole thing felt dirty and wrong. Cause a lot of, you know, people on the margins are sort of getting used politically to some degree. And then you see like, I'm in Chicago at the police department up there, one of the precincts. And it's packed on the floor with Venezuelans. Cause the city isn't figuring out how to deal with it. So all these cops are showing up to work and they're like, literally the whole floor space. And then when you give people things easily, just basic human psychology, they don't appreciate it.

• 2:12:05Speaker 01

  So I remember this Venezuelan guy, like taking my hat.

• 2:12:09Speaker 03

  Taking your hat?

• 2:12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's like, hey man, let me see your hat. And he wanted freestyle. He wanted me to give him stuff and took my hat. I grabbed it back. We're talking police station in Chicago. A lot of migrants were going to places like that. Cause Chicago wasn't dealing with it right.

• 2:12:27Speaker 00

  I've heard in the past, you don't consider yourself a journalist, but this is investigative journalism.

• 2:12:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, cause it's really.

• 2:12:38Speaker 01

  I did a video on Orcas Island the other day. Or we just posted it. It's mostly about like old school hippie types playing guitar and music. And I don't look at that as journalism. It's getting a story.

• 2:12:52Speaker 01

  But I also from the old school in the sense where I'm thinking if you're doing a a true piece on something, you need months on the ground, many people involved, many different perspectives, points of views. And when I do my YouTube videos, I can't put those that time or resource in. So that's the reason I don't. I think most people would consider it journalism though, but I'm looking from like, I don't know, old 60 Minutes or something perspective on that front.

• 2:13:21Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 2:13:22Speaker 00

  You're you're lowering the expectation of the video.

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  Not even that. It's like

• 2:13:28Speaker 00

  Not for entertainment.

• 2:13:29Speaker 01

  Viewer, here's a way into this thing.

• 2:13:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:13:32Speaker 01

  Here's one way into it.

• 2:13:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:13:34Speaker 01

  Okay, I could do that story and here's, I mean, we don't really have much journalism in the sense that The New York Times didn't touch this story until after the election. You know, for the most part. You know, it was a great story they wrote after the election.

• 2:13:49Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  But you're like, I could do the story there just on like actual asylees, which did exist and just focus only on that. And that's true. But is it the whole picture now?

• 2:14:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. Has your have your videos ever been like used in court or like cited in newspapers or anything?

• 2:14:12Speaker 01

  School, a lot of schools, a lot of teachers use them. That's why I really try not, I haven't sworn at all. I try so hard not to because

• 2:14:18Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 2:14:19Speaker 01

  They say, and a lot of homeschoolers.

• 2:14:21Speaker 00

  Really?

• 2:14:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of like that is ticked up big time in the country, homeschooling.

• 2:14:25Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:14:26Speaker 01

  You ready?

• 2:14:27Speaker 00

  No. No. But actually, once you start sending your kids to school and then they just get like sick every single week.

• 2:14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:36Speaker 00

  You're like, all right.

• 2:14:37Speaker 01

  They turn into that homeschooling?

• 2:14:39Speaker 00

  It ends up being homeschool.

• 2:14:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. What do you guys want to see on the channel? What are you interested in? I'm trying to always be on the front line of culture.

• 2:14:47Speaker 03

  You gotta go to the WA state in Myanmar. Have you ever heard of this?

• 2:14:51Speaker 01

  I've been to Myanmar.

• 2:14:52Speaker 03

  WA, the WA state. It's a narco state that's like this autonomous zone in Myanmar, up in the mountains. It's technically sort of like

• 2:15:01Speaker 01

  Something triangle?

• 2:15:03Speaker 03

  I'm not sure.

• 2:15:03Speaker 01

  It's near Thailand up there?

• 2:15:05Speaker 03

  It's, I think borders China. And they're basically like a Chinese kind of vassal. And they produced like at one point, like 90% or 95% of the meth that went through Asia.

• 2:15:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:19Speaker 03

  And they were kind of this autonomous, like military narco state. At one point it was like funded by the CIA. And then they backed off and then China kind of like

• 2:15:27Speaker 01

  I'm gonna leave that for the young guys.

• 2:15:30Speaker 03

  No, you gotta get in there, dude. That'd be sick.

• 2:15:32Speaker 01

  It would be sick, but I calculate things a little more these days. Okay, what about, um,

• 2:15:40Speaker 03

  Send to South America?

• 2:15:41Speaker 01

  It's a good idea though.

• 2:15:42Speaker 03

  Have you gone to South America much?

• 2:15:43Speaker 01

  What about US domestic?

• 2:15:45Speaker 00

  We're gonna keep it here.

• 2:15:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, keep it here.

• 2:15:47Speaker 00

  What about, um,

• 2:15:49Speaker 03

  Slab City? Have you done that?

• 2:15:50Speaker 01

  I did and I didn't post it. I went out there, I just, I didn't feel it. It didn't work.

• 2:15:54Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:15:55Speaker 01

  Sometimes a video, I went out there.

• 2:15:57Speaker 00

  We'll set up Slab City for the people.

• 2:15:59Speaker 01

  Slab City is this sort of rogue autonomous zone in Southern California out in the desert.

• 2:16:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:16:06Speaker 01

  It just, I don't know. It didn't seem that cool. What I saw seemed like a lot of drugs and it could have been a good video, I guess. I didn't feel it. Sometimes you just don't feel it.

• 2:16:14Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 2:16:14Speaker 01

  And I actually drove, I was staying at Joshua Tree and I drove all the way there and just started shooting. I couldn't find the story and packed up and left.

• 2:16:21Speaker 00

  Oh, how often does that happen?

• 2:16:23Speaker 01

  Not too often.

• 2:16:24Speaker 00

  That's interesting because it has all the elements.

• 2:16:27Speaker 01

  It does. And it was also a story that had been done a ton of times.

• 2:16:31Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:16:31Speaker 01

  So I was like, there's nothing novel here.

• 2:16:34Speaker 00

  But is it an actual functioning city or is it like an excuse to go do drugs in the desert?

• 2:16:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know enough, but probably there's a lot of that. I saw a lot of that.

• 2:16:44Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 2:16:44Speaker 01

  Now I did a video on Quartzsite, Arizona.

• 2:16:48Speaker 00

  What's that about?

• 2:16:48Speaker 01

  And that turned into a lot more drugs out there in recent years, I heard. But there are a lot of people living off the grid out in this BLM land. Bureau of Land Management. Bureau of Land Management. People confuse BLM.

• 2:17:04Speaker 03

  What about like rich gated neighborhoods?

• 2:17:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I just did, um, New Canaan, Greenwich and Bridgeport. Show that juxtaposition. That was, I like wealthy stories, but getting in behind the gate is tough.

• 2:17:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, like are they, is anyone talking?

• 2:17:22Speaker 01

  Let me think of one I've got. I mean, I've done Hollywood Hills stuff. I've done.

• 2:17:29Speaker 03

  Like I would love to see country clubs and what's happening in those.

• 2:17:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:17:34Speaker 00

  What about Chinatown?

• 2:17:35Speaker 01

  That's the problem with with socioeconomics. The wealthy have more to protect. So going to the hoods sometimes is just great. They want to talk. They're like, yeah, nobody listens to my story here. They're gonna belt it out. And then those places, they got too much to lose.

• 2:17:53Speaker 03

  That's where you gotta put the work in, man.

• 2:17:55Speaker 01

  I know, I do put the work in, but that the gated.

• 2:17:58Speaker 00

  They'd be stupid to let you in.

• 2:18:00Speaker 01

  I'm just thinking

• 2:18:01Speaker 00

  It's insulting.

• 2:18:01Speaker 01

  And also I got the, um, the attorneys come at me more these days when you're bigger.

• 2:18:06Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 2:18:07Speaker 01

  Which sucks.

• 2:18:08Speaker 03

  Ooh, have you ever been sued or?

• 2:18:11Speaker 01

  No, I just have the threats for things and I'm like, yeah.

• 2:18:15Speaker 03

  Ooh, was there anything you ever had to like take down or cut out?

• 2:18:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did that. I had to do that.

• 2:18:20Speaker 03

  What?

• 2:18:22Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 2:18:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did, I did. Yeah, that's a long story. I can't talk about that one. It's just a rabbit's nest.

• 2:18:32Speaker 00

  Wait, what?

• 2:18:32Speaker 01

  Business, be. Yeah, let me think of another one I had to take down.

• 2:18:38Speaker 03

  I want to hear the first.

• 2:18:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:40Speaker 00

  That first one you were thinking of. Does the first one take place in America?

• 2:18:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:45Speaker 00

  Would we be familiar with it? Like the the story?

• 2:18:48Speaker 01

  You're so good at this.

• 2:18:49Speaker 00

  I'm just asking.

• 2:18:50Speaker 01

  I'm just asking.

• 2:18:51Speaker 03

  Investigated journalists.

• 2:18:52Speaker 01

  You're so good. Why don't you, you would be great, actually. Actually, all of you guys would be great doing this.

• 2:18:57Speaker 00

  We did it.

• 2:18:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 2:18:59Speaker 01

  I know, but like, but like a full time out there.

• 2:19:02Speaker 00

  No, we didn't do it as full time, but like when we were on the road, this would be like, we would explore all the cities and it was just like so much fun. I love it. It's the most fun. It's the most amazing thing. And then with stand up, it's really cool to communicate the observations in front of the people and like being the fish out of water in a joke is just the most fun to be. It's just

• 2:19:23Speaker 01

  So you, I mean, as, uh, to be as successful as you've you've become, you have to, you have to understand what's going on around you. The second you bubble up completely, you're out of it.

• 2:19:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:19:34Speaker 01

  That's the challenge I see with some guys, right?

• 2:19:37Speaker 00

  I think, yeah.

• 2:19:38Speaker 01

  They get too bubbled up and you have to see these little nuances, these little details that exist.

• 2:19:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. And like, appreciate them, like, you know, I admire your curiosity. That I I've always felt just curious, especially like living abroad or traveling, like I want to get into people's lives and I want to know what makes them tick. And I find it fascinating and fun and cool and, uh, yeah, so it was always fun to talk about on stage, but also really fun to go experience. Like one World Cup, we went, like France was playing Morocco. And we went to Morocco to watch it, even though they weren't playing there.

• 2:20:17Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 2:20:18Speaker 00

  But I was like, what if Morocco beats France?

• 2:20:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:22Speaker 00

  Imagine being with the Moroccans when that happens.

• 2:20:26Speaker 01

  Did they?

• 2:20:26Speaker 00

  No. But it's like, you're, you know, I mean, it was so cool to be around the energy of it, you know, it was.

• 2:20:33Speaker 01

  How sad were they afterwards?

• 2:20:34Speaker 00

  Not really, because

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  They knew it was coming.

• 2:20:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, like they didn't expect to do it, you know, so they just moved on.

• 2:20:40Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I mean, to be good in any, I think in this space, you have to be naturally curious. There's no other way.

• 2:20:47Speaker 03

  You're gonna let them off the hook for the lawsuit?

• 2:20:49Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:20:50Speaker 01

  Oh, you like how you like how I stood that away?

• 2:20:52Speaker 00

  That was great.

• 2:20:53Speaker 01

  Let's talk about France and Morocco.

• 2:20:55Speaker 00

  But they, but they knew you, they, sorry, do we know the video that this is related to potentially? Oh, okay, so there'd be nothing.

• 2:21:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:21:04Speaker 00

  So there'd really be no risk of telling us then?

• 2:21:08Speaker 03

  What about just the hypothetical of why you can't tell us?

• 2:21:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:11Speaker 03

  Like broadly.

• 2:21:12Speaker 01

  It's just headaches.

• 2:21:13Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:21:13Speaker 00

  And this might cause more?

• 2:21:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:15Speaker 03

  Makes sense.

• 2:21:16Speaker 01

  Just headaches.

• 2:21:17Speaker 00

  So which Jewish community sued you first?

• 2:21:20Speaker 01

  They, I'm actually, I'm not, I'm in with the Hasids.

• 2:21:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, cuz, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:21:26Speaker 03

  Have you noticed they've gotten more nervous recently?

• 2:21:31Speaker 01

  I haven't been paying much attention, but I did talk to my buddy Shlomi last night.

• 2:21:34Speaker 00

  What did Shlomi say?

• 2:21:36Speaker 01

  Shlomi said, yeah, they're, um, they feel a lot of pressure right now.

• 2:21:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:40Speaker 01

  He said Jews in general right now in New York.

• 2:21:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:44Speaker 01

  He's like, they feel, they feel the heat.

• 2:21:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:46Speaker 01

  And I'm like, isn't it more of an anti Israeli policy, political thing, not an anti-Jew thing? And he's like, no, we feel it on all fronts. I don't know. It's hard to, it's hard to speak for someone else.

• 2:21:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:22:00Speaker 03

  But generally, I don't think racists are like very discerning. You know, like if you're someone that's like very anti something, you're gonna be like all of it. That's my assumption, but I don't know. And there's also just like a nervousness in general. I mean, even like I went and did Purim with the Hasidic community this last year. I think it was like November, maybe? I can't remember when, but, I don't know, March, I think. But I went and did it and I was just there, just as me, just like during this big festival. And I had a friend that brought me and kind of showed me everything and it was awesome. But so many people came up to me personally and they were like, why are you here? I was like, oh, I'm just hanging out with my buddy. And he was like, what are you filming? I was like, I'm not filming anything. I don't, I don't even have a camera. I was like, I'm just hanging out. And they were like, you're not gonna put this on YouTube?

• 2:22:42Speaker 03

  And like, they're so nervous about me coming in and misrepresenting the community that they're, like 10 people came up to me independently. Some of them kind of like aggressive, like, I don't know if you should be here.

• 2:22:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's

• 2:22:54Speaker 03

  Everyone else is really nice, but there was just a nervousness.

• 2:22:56Speaker 01

  There's a benefit to being part of the group and then there's also a con to it. Right? That being it, when you're a free solo agent, you're not lumped in with all these other people.

• 2:23:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:11Speaker 01

  Fair to say?

• 2:23:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:23:13Speaker 03

  I mean, can you go down to the tunnels? I feel like if you could clear up the tunnel situation.

• 2:23:16Speaker 01

  We're in Vegas?

• 2:23:17Speaker 03

  No, the one's in, uh,

• 2:23:18Speaker 00

  Brooklyn.

• 2:23:19Speaker 01

  What's going on here?

• 2:23:19Speaker 03

  Crown Heights.

• 2:23:20Speaker 00

  You gotta ask Shlomi.

• 2:23:21Speaker 01

  Oh, I saw a little bit.

• 2:23:24Speaker 00

  Can I, can I?

• 2:23:25Speaker 01

  You should get Shlomi here.

• 2:23:26Speaker 00

  That'd be a great idea.

• 2:23:27Speaker 01

  But he'll come in the stremmel?

• 2:23:29Speaker 00

  We need the whole stremmel. But I will say, the happiest you will see a human being. Is in New York City. A Hasidic Jew on an electric city bike.

• 2:23:41Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:23:42Speaker 00

  Going across the Williamsburg Bridge.

• 2:23:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:45Speaker 00

  There's no greater joy.

• 2:23:46Speaker 03

  Coming home.

• 2:23:46Speaker 00

  The pay is flopping in the wind.

• 2:23:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:49Speaker 00

  Electric city bike, he's a little naughty because he shouldn't be using it, but like he's using it.

• 2:23:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:23:55Speaker 00

  And he's just, there's like this amazing smile.

• 2:24:00Speaker 03

  The greatest schlep they've ever made.

• 2:24:01Speaker 00

  The greatest.

• 2:24:04Speaker 01

  They're on e-bikes now.

• 2:24:05Speaker 00

  That's, it's.

• 2:24:06Speaker 01

  It's taken off.

• 2:24:07Speaker 00

  It's a big.

• 2:24:07Speaker 01

  The Amish are too.

• 2:24:09Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 2:24:10Speaker 01

  Depending on jurisdiction you're in.

• 2:24:12Speaker 00

  I like the little thing that Josh was saying in the Amish video where it's like, some of us are okay with using electricity if it came from solar panels.

• 2:24:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:21Speaker 00

  Because we're generating the electricity.

• 2:24:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24:25Speaker 00

  That's a real smart way to get around the whole electricity thing. I like that.

• 2:24:30Speaker 01

  There's a lot of justification in things.

• 2:24:33Speaker 00

  But it makes sense. It's like you can let the sun heat up your home. Yeah. Alright, so then.

• 2:24:38Speaker 03

  Let the sun heat up your iPhone.

• 2:24:39Speaker 01

  Exactly. Okay, so US ideas.

• 2:24:43Speaker 00

  Oh, Chinatown. You have to go into the, have you done that before?

• 2:24:45Speaker 01

  I've done some of it, but.

• 2:24:47Speaker 00

  Hard to get in.

• 2:24:48Speaker 01

  They don't, they don't speak English very well.

• 2:24:49Speaker 00

  Hard to get in. Hard to get in.

• 2:24:51Speaker 01

  I need good English speakers.

• 2:24:53Speaker 03

  They have tunnels too.

• 2:24:54Speaker 00

  They got tunnels.

• 2:24:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24:55Speaker 01

  That's a whole different world out there.

• 2:24:57Speaker 00

  That is, it's the most isolated thing that is right in front of everybody's face. That's what I find so.

• 2:25:03Speaker 01

  I lived in the second Chinatown in San Francisco, Clement Street.

• 2:25:07Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 2:25:07Speaker 01

  It's majority Chinese.

• 2:25:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:25:10Speaker 01

  I liked it because they always had good produce out and.

• 2:25:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:25:13Speaker 01

  They don't, they don't bum.

• 2:25:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:25:15Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 2:25:16Speaker 00

  But Chinatown is pretty nice, dude.

• 2:25:18Speaker 01

  It is.

• 2:25:18Speaker 00

  It's its own world. There was like a mall that was, you know, we used to get our fucking PlayStations hacked and they would be able to play like the fake games on them.

• 2:25:26Speaker 03

  There's an old gang culture, like it doesn't really exist anymore, but like through like the eighties and nineties, there were like really strong and active Chinese gangs.

• 2:25:33Speaker 01

  Do you have a Japan town here?

• 2:25:36Speaker 00

  Probably, but.

• 2:25:37Speaker 01

  It's not much.

• 2:25:38Speaker 00

  We just have like sushi restaurants. We got a Korea town that's like a block that's fire. And it's cool because it's vertical. Meaning like, it'll be like apartment looking buildings that will have like a nightclub in it.

• 2:25:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:25:51Speaker 00

  Or like a carryout, but it'll be on the fourth floor.

• 2:25:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:25:54Speaker 00

  Like it's just this one street and it just goes up. And you know, you can get deep into it if you know the right places to be.

• 2:26:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:03Speaker 01

  That's cool. That's the beauty of New York. It's endless. Can you guys not live anywhere else?

• 2:26:08Speaker 00

  No, live other places, but this is the best.

• 2:26:11Speaker 01

  It's the best.

• 2:26:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, definitely the most interesting.

• 2:26:13Speaker 00

  The winter, January, February, March, if I'm being honest, and April is hell.

• 2:26:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. What about December?

• 2:26:23Speaker 00

  December's fun because it's like Christmas and you know, vacations come in, you're wrapping things up and the city looks beautiful and there's so many tourists and everybody's coming in. January, February, March, April, it's just freezing cold and raining and it's hard. That's, that's the time.

• 2:26:43Speaker 01

  I gotta say the city is, is firing on all cylinders.

• 2:26:46Speaker 00

  Oh, it's cooking right now.

• 2:26:47Speaker 01

  It's cooking.

• 2:26:48Speaker 00

  It's cooking.

• 2:26:49Speaker 01

  And you know, um, look, you always have to get on the ground because you can't trust what you see online at all. So telling your audience not to trust this video. No. But, but what I mean by that is when the, the clear tell is someone that's out in the hinterland, it's way in the middle of nowhere.

• 2:27:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:27:06Speaker 01

  And they're telling you exactly how New York City is right now.

• 2:27:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:27:09Speaker 01

  And they haven't been there.

• 2:27:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:27:11Speaker 01

  And the only way they're getting it is the media, the algorithm they're being fed.

• 2:27:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:27:15Speaker 01

  And the amount of people that are like, oh, it's too dangerous right now. It's, it's a bit, a bit wild to be honest. And in Florida also, on the other hand, is a four-letter word for many parts of the country. When I say live in Florida.

• 2:27:29Speaker 00

  What is that word?

• 2:27:30Speaker 01

  Ooh, it's bad. It's Florida.

• 2:27:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, shit.

• 2:27:32Speaker 00

  It's a four-letter word. Oh, shit.

• 2:27:34Speaker 01

  Bad word.

• 2:27:34Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:27:36Speaker 01

  Like Florida gets, you know, slammed pretty hard. Some of it rightly.

• 2:27:40Speaker 03

  But then everyone tries to go vacation there, you know?

• 2:27:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. Everybody likes Florida, bro.

• 2:27:43Speaker 01

  Do they?

• 2:27:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Miami is shit, dude.

• 2:27:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. You like Miami.

• 2:27:48Speaker 00

  Love it. Miami is one of the greatest expressions of Americana.

• 2:27:57Speaker 01

  Unpack that. What do you mean?

• 2:27:59Speaker 00

  It still has the delusional optimism that America used to hold. The streets are paved with gold in Miami to this day. People that are going there have this beautiful shamelessness. You go up to the Northeast, it's like, there's a, there's a old kind of like WASP culture that everybody's trying to live up to the standards of. You can't drive an orange car in New York. A Lamborghini Urus in New York? Are you fucking kidding me? Right? It's an orange car. What are you doing?

• 2:28:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:32Speaker 00

  But in Miami, you can get your first paycheck worth of a lot of money and buy an orange car. And it's just like, oh yeah, there's no rules here. We're just making it. We're just excited.

• 2:28:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good way, that's a good way of saying it.

• 2:28:44Speaker 00

  It's freedom. There's a, there's a beautiful optimism in freedom.

• 2:28:48Speaker 01

  It's a bit naive in that sense.

• 2:28:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:28:51Speaker 01

  Where the WASPs, the WASPs.

• 2:28:52Speaker 00

  Sold money.

• 2:28:53Speaker 01

  They've seen some more things maybe.

• 2:28:55Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:28:55Speaker 01

  They've been beaten down a few times.

• 2:28:57Speaker 00

  I don't know if they've been beaten down, but there's like a standard of how to, how to operate.

• 2:29:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, which I don't really enjoy either, to be honest.

• 2:29:03Speaker 00

  They're the least enjoyable people, but they make the nicest things. And the cultural, like for example, like, like the WASPs, it's like, they don't tell you how they feel. Like Jews and WASPs are the opposite. Like Jews will tell you how you feel all the time. It's a little, this, this couch is too down. You know what I mean? Like, it's a little itchy, you know what I mean? The WASPs will just be like, what a pleasant, nice place you have here. So nice to meet you.

• 2:29:27Speaker 03

  And then silently judge you.

• 2:29:28Speaker 00

  Silently, but there's nothing, you're not getting in, you're not getting underneath.

• 2:29:32Speaker 01

  Where's that demarcation line?

• 2:29:35Speaker 00

  Uh, where does it stop?

• 2:29:37Speaker 01

  Where's it starting here going north?

• 2:29:40Speaker 00

  It stops at 59th Street in Manhattan. And then everything south from that in America is no longer that.

• 2:29:46Speaker 01

  So Philly, Philly's not in that.

• 2:29:49Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 2:29:50Speaker 01

  South Jersey's not in that.

• 2:29:52Speaker 00

  Philly's Catholic, right?

• 2:29:54Speaker 01

  So I grew up in Vermont, very puritanical, at least when I grew up.

• 2:29:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:30:00Speaker 01

  It, but it had more of a libertarian streak.

• 2:30:02Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

• 2:30:03Speaker 01

  You work hard, you're all about your work, your pride's in your work, but leave me alone.

• 2:30:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, get out of here. Yeah.

• 2:30:09Speaker 01

  It's lost a bit of that in my opinion.

• 2:30:11Speaker 00

  Of course, of course.

• 2:30:13Speaker 01

  Hmm, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's much more, um, I don't have the right word. I'm gonna piss off some Vermonters, but I'd say more, one narrative to live by. It feels more that way when I go back.

• 2:30:26Speaker 00

  It's like, we all gotta get in this together. We all have to be on the same page.

• 2:30:30Speaker 01

  I went to this startup hippie school for a couple of years my parents sent me to.

• 2:30:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:30:34Speaker 01

  Totally disorganized, but every class, the whole school was about critical thinking. So it's, we're gonna helicopter in this third rail issue. Peter, you take this perspective. Andrew, you're gonna take the opposite.

• 2:30:47Speaker 00

  Those days.

• 2:30:47Speaker 01

  10 minutes, flip it up, argue back and forth. Now we're all gonna talk about it in a big circle in respect.

• 2:30:55Speaker 00

  Those days, yeah.

• 2:30:56Speaker 01

  How do we get that back? Cause that's what makes America interesting.

• 2:30:58Speaker 00

  Well, we're in a very unique place. It's like where, when, when everybody's a Nazi, you can't go like, well, I understand your perspective Nazi.

• 2:31:12Speaker 01

  You, okay, who's saying that? The Nazi thing?

• 2:31:14Speaker 00

  No, like, meaning like everybody, when you use the word Nazi to describe everybody, you can't have empathy.

• 2:31:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, but who's doing that? A few, a few fringe people?

• 2:31:24Speaker 00

  Sure, but if the fringe people are gonna kind of control the discourse, then they're gonna scare everybody else from.

• 2:31:29Speaker 01

  You're controlling the discourse.

• 2:31:31Speaker 00

  I don't know about that. I don't know if we're controlling anything, to be honest with you. I actually, to be honest, it would be much easier to be an ideologue right now. We're, we're living in the time of ideologues.

• 2:31:42Speaker 01

  It is. And it's looked at as weak if you're not, by some people.

• 2:31:46Speaker 00

  I think it's looked at as evil if you're not.

• 2:31:49Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 2:31:49Speaker 00

  I think it's agree with me or you are evil. These, these pejoratives that are thrown out.

• 2:31:54Speaker 01

  But that's so dumb. That's a dumb way to operate by.

• 2:31:56Speaker 00

  Well, it depends if you want power. If you want power and control, then you have to make everybody who doesn't agree with you feel shame.

• 2:32:03Speaker 01

  But it's myopic. It's a dumb way of looking at things.

• 2:32:05Speaker 00

  Well.

• 2:32:06Speaker 01

  Like if you're an educated person, why do you wanna?

• 2:32:08Speaker 00

  It's dumb to us socially. It's smart if you just want to usurp power. Right? Cause what you wanna do is squash down any other way of thinking.

• 2:32:15Speaker 01

  But most people are not looking for that, to usurp power.

• 2:32:20Speaker 00

  Or are they not?

• 2:32:21Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 2:32:23Speaker 00

  I think people engaging in the discourse on some way are. I think it's a power grab. If you're actively engaging in the discourse.

• 2:32:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:32:33Speaker 00

  They might not be aware, they might not in their brains be going, I want power. But if they're operating on behalf of an ideology, they want to extend that ideology.

• 2:32:44Speaker 01

  Okay, so what we have to do as elder statesmen.

• 2:32:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:32:48Speaker 01

  You and you, Andrew, because we're older than these guys, right?

• 2:32:51Speaker 00

  Barely, dude. Forty-three, barely.

• 2:32:55Speaker 01

  Pretty old, it's getting up there. Forty-nine, I guess you'd be by six years.

• 2:33:00Speaker 00

  They're good, dude.

• 2:33:03Speaker 01

  So.

• 2:33:03Speaker 00

  Johnny Sins.

• 2:33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, they say that in Pakistan, everyone calls me Johnny Sins there.

• 2:33:09Speaker 00

  Do you know that?

• 2:33:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:10Speaker 00

  They love.

• 2:33:11Speaker 01

  They love him and they all call me at that. And then they show me their shirts off. It's actually a real homosexual culture.

• 2:33:20Speaker 01

  In Pashto, the most conservative part of Pakistan.

• 2:33:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:33:24Speaker 01

  Is the place where I got the most guys like cozying up and show me a picture of them naked.

• 2:33:28Speaker 00

  I love your dick, dude.

• 2:33:30Speaker 01

  No, it was wild.

• 2:33:31Speaker 03

  Showing them naked?

• 2:33:31Speaker 01

  Showing their body shots.

• 2:33:33Speaker 03

  Of themselves?

• 2:33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it was the most like.

• 2:33:37Speaker 00

  Nah, bro.

• 2:33:38Speaker 01

  I am serious, I am serious. And they call me Johnny Sins more than anywhere else in Pakistan.

• 2:33:44Speaker 00

  But wait, go back to saving America, we gotta go back.

• 2:33:47Speaker 01

  This is more, this is more important.

• 2:33:50Speaker 00

  Shout out Johnny though, man.

• 2:33:51Speaker 01

  Since I made those videos, I haven't heard that before.

• 2:33:54Speaker 03

  You're a big Pakistan, you're a fire.

• 2:33:55Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 2:33:57Speaker 03

  It's like King Arthur.

• 2:33:59Speaker 01

  But you had, you had.

• 2:34:00Speaker 00

  I've seen you naked, this is me naked.

• 2:34:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't play the game with them, I just left. But, okay, so you have, you're not far behind me, you're, you're early millennial.

• 2:34:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:12Speaker 01

  So I'm the end of Gen X.

• 2:34:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm eighty-three.

• 2:34:15Speaker 01

  So that's pretty similar.

• 2:34:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:34:17Speaker 01

  So it was all about, don't be a poser.

• 2:34:22Speaker 00

  I was raised.

• 2:34:22Speaker 01

  Stand up for whatever, who cares what anyone says?

• 2:34:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:26Speaker 01

  Be honest, be good to people.

• 2:34:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:29Speaker 01

  Like, get in a banter.

• 2:34:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:31Speaker 01

  Talk some shit.

• 2:34:32Speaker 00

  Talk some shit.

• 2:34:34Speaker 01

  Right? And that's what makes it more interesting.

• 2:34:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:38Speaker 01

  And then you're telling me now, and I'm seeing it also, that it's like that, my education I was telling you about, ship sailed, not happening. So how did, let's say for example, the, where I grew up, went from that, where it's like peak enlightenment, liberal democracy, let's have different ranging opinions and have a good time with it, to I'm taking it so personally, I'm so sensitive.

• 2:35:05Speaker 00

  I don't know if it's sensitivity, it's like, but if, I think it's truly if you believe the person you're talking to has evil beliefs, then it's no point to talk to them.

• 2:35:16Speaker 01

  But most people, okay, if you're talking about politics, they're single party.

• 2:35:21Speaker 00

  Let me clarify this.

• 2:35:22Speaker 01

  Issue voters.

• 2:35:23Speaker 00

  These are.

• 2:35:24Speaker 01

  I mean, single issue voters.

• 2:35:25Speaker 00

  Nobody in private behaves this way. Public discourse has become good versus evil. These like debates, which are all just about trying to expose the other person as having the worst possible beliefs or having nothing to justify. Private conversation, private discourse is a lot like this. It's like, okay, well, let's talk about the border.

• 2:35:45Speaker 01

  So how do you change that in the public?

• 2:35:48Speaker 00

  I mean, the quickest way to change it is you remove monetization from any type of political talk. And you will find very quickly, people going to talk about movies again. They've got some real opinions about Avengers Doomsday, they're saying you can't monetize the video.

• 2:36:06Speaker 01

  I think there's more to it, and I'm not, I'm not.

• 2:36:08Speaker 00

  Sure, there is.

• 2:36:09Speaker 01

  I'm not tooting my horn here, but this is not that, and it's working.

• 2:36:13Speaker 00

  Show don't tell.

• 2:36:14Speaker 01

  It's working, though, people are hungry for that.

• 2:36:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:36:17Speaker 01

  I feel like it's a lane that can take way more.

• 2:36:20Speaker 00

  I think art cuts through, right? So it's like, when you talk about things, you just get people upset and they're kind of trying to scream their, because most people are looking for confirmation, right? Like, we don't want information, we want confirmation. I feel this way about the world, tell me when I'm right. So when you, when you communicate ideas through art, it taps into something emotionally where you start empathizing with characters that you maybe weren't supposed to like. I was rooting for Jaime Lannister at the end of Game of Thrones, and he fucked his sister and pushed a kid off of a castle. Do you know what I mean? So it's like art can make you feel things.

• 2:37:03Speaker 01

  How things are framed.

• 2:37:04Speaker 00

  And it just gives you a little bit more empathy and like snaps you out of your bubble in a way that like facts don't. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if like, like Ben Shapiro has that thing, like, facts don't care about your feelings. It's like the opposite. It's like feelings don't care about your facts. You know, so it's like no fact is gonna stop someone from the feeling that they have.

• 2:37:25Speaker 01

  So if art is at the tip of the spear with culture, let's say, I'm just throwing that out there, right? Art Basel, three years ago, was about as depressing as it came. Like, I felt like, you know.

• 2:37:39Speaker 00

  I don't mean that kind of art.

• 2:37:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:37:41Speaker 03

  That's more scenic.

• 2:37:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, I, I mean, like, um,

• 2:37:48Speaker 00

  like, this is, this is art.

• 2:37:49Speaker 03

  A well-produced.

• 2:37:51Speaker 01

  But art is all the mediums.

• 2:37:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:37:53Speaker 01

  That's, that's art, this is art.

• 2:37:54Speaker 00

  I don't think paintings are gonna communicate this type of.

• 2:37:57Speaker 01

  But it's where the psychology of the culture is. It's being reflected in art.

• 2:38:01Speaker 00

  Art Basel is?

• 2:38:03Speaker 01

  Well, Art Basel, it was so depressing.

• 2:38:06Speaker 00

  Because it's all commodified, right?

• 2:38:07Speaker 01

  It was the worst. No, it was just, I just think it had to do with the times. I don't know, I'd like to prove my theory if I go there this year, that it's gonna be a little more optimistic. When you look at futurism, like the twenties, thirties, cubism, surrealism, that stuff is all inspirational. It makes you think, it gets you fired up. And so if art, I think, starts taking a course where it's more optimistic, I just feel like we sort of follow it in cinema, video, music.

• 2:38:38Speaker 00

  I think what we'll start to gravitate towards now, and we probably have the last few years, is like, uh, hope escapism. So how can I check out of reality and check into something that gives me hope and distracts me from my existential doom? We won't be watching political thrillers that remind us of our existential doom.

• 2:39:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:03Speaker 00

  We will be watching, it could be science fiction, it could be a love story, but it's, it's removing us from these feelings that we have and giving us hope that things might work out.

• 2:39:17Speaker 01

  So there's a, there's a kumbaya coming for the culture.

• 2:39:21Speaker 00

  I, I think we want to feel it. You know, like, right now, like, we're tired of pushing against stuff. We pushed the walls so far, they really can't go any further. Like, you can kind of say whatever you want to say, you can scream whatever opinion, like, it's, it's, it's pretty insane. So there's no catharsis in hearing something that's that wild. Whereas when you live in a more censorious time, there's a catharsis in hearing something crazy or wild. You're like, ooh, that's naughty, that's bad. It's like punk rock is a popular music when everything is like boring and bland. When everything's punk rock, what's punk rock is the thing that's boring and bland.

• 2:39:57Speaker 00

  Right?

• 2:40:00Speaker 01

  Great, I love this stuff. It's fascinating.

• 2:40:03Speaker 00

  Don't you think?

• 2:40:03Speaker 01

  Because I don't want the answers. I like just hearing from others that have good opinions on this stuff. But I just feel like, I'd say more people from New York are interested in Appalachia.

• 2:40:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:40:17Speaker 01

  And more people from Appalachia are interested in other parts of the country. Like, that you wouldn't imagine that would be curious.

• 2:40:25Speaker 03

  Like what?

• 2:40:26Speaker 01

  Like, just some, some guy that's, you know, out in the hinterlands, that seems really self-sufficient and, you know, I'm doing things my ways, but he's, you know, massive fan of the channel and finds the stuff in East New York fascinating. Like, just open curiosity. I find there's a lot of bridges being made in that sense, maybe because of the world I'm in. But I think before, it was stay-deer bubble more, now the bubbles, you can access them through the digital at least.

• 2:40:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's another place you can go to that's not far away.

• 2:40:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:40:55Speaker 03

  Have you seen this?

• 2:40:56Speaker 01

  Oh, what?

• 2:40:57Speaker 03

  It's the biggest Hindu temple in America, it's in Jersey.

• 2:41:00Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 2:41:00Speaker 03

  And it's like a hundred million dollar temple that they built.

• 2:41:04Speaker 00

  This is in Jersey?

• 2:41:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:41:05Speaker 00

  Why?

• 2:41:06Speaker 03

  And it looks crazy. It's like this beautiful, like, cathedral. And it's not that far, I think it's a couple hour drive. And it's, uh, yeah, it's here in New Jersey. I'm not exactly sure where, I'm assuming, obviously, Edison has like a massive, like, Indian population.

• 2:41:22Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:41:22Speaker 01

  Jersey's a trip, huh? There's a lot there.

• 2:41:24Speaker 03

  Oh, there's so much. I mean, like, yeah, this, it's crazy. That's just a few hours away, that's in America. And I don't think people realize, like, oh, wow, yeah, there's a whole compound.

• 2:41:33Speaker 01

  So I would have to get this, like, what's the story? Who's the, like, I gotta connect with the right guy that brings me into something interesting there.

• 2:41:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:41:41Speaker 00

  I mean, you gotta talk to the guy who decided to build a hundred million dollar Hindu temple.

• 2:41:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:47Speaker 00

  You know?

• 2:41:47Speaker 01

  But then the challenge is this, maybe that guy is like a PR spokesperson. You want to, you want to kill a video?

• 2:41:54Speaker 00

  You'd have.

• 2:41:54Speaker 01

  Do the canned speech.

• 2:41:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:41:56Speaker 01

  It's over in three seconds, my audience doesn't want that.

• 2:41:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:41:59Speaker 01

  I don't want that.

• 2:42:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:42:01Speaker 01

  Nobody does.

• 2:42:02Speaker 03

  I'm sure there's someone down there on the ground that knows what's going on.

• 2:42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:06Speaker 03

  And can show you the whole thing, I mean, it looks crazy.

• 2:42:10Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:42:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not that far.

• 2:42:12Speaker 00

  Can't believe this is in Jersey.

• 2:42:13Speaker 03

  Right?

• 2:42:14Speaker 00

  That's nuts.

• 2:42:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is a motley country, there's everything here.

• 2:42:18Speaker 00

  It's amazing, it's incredible.

• 2:42:20Speaker 01

  It's so stimulating, it's not a boring place.

• 2:42:24Speaker 03

  At all.

• 2:42:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I think that's sometimes maybe the problem with like the algorithm. Is that it can homogenize the country, right? It's like you kind of start getting one version of the country. And it doesn't have to be that. One of the nice things about New York is whether you fucking like it or not, you're gonna see a lot of different shit the second you walk out of your house.

• 2:42:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:42:48Speaker 00

  And you walk three blocks that way, you're gonna be a completely different neighborhood. Three blocks that way, different neighborhood. And yeah, it's it's.

• 2:42:57Speaker 01

  And it works.

• 2:42:59Speaker 00

  And it works, man, because we don't have a choice. We don't, we can't escape each other. So now we gotta work it out. And then when you gotta work it out, you start going like, oh shit, these Chinese people are open on Christmas? Fuck you. Let's go try to get some Chinese food on Christmas. I love these Chinese people. You know, and then all of a sudden you start realizing like how your communities are similar. You know, like the Chinese and the Jews had this like camaraderie because they both had nothing to do during Christmas. And all of a sudden they're like, okay, we can kind of link up here. We both like education. And then like the Italians and Chinese had a little beef because the Chinese were growing into the Italian, traditional Italian communities. But then all of a sudden, maybe there were some things that they understood. And the Chinese were like, we invented pasta. And they're like, what?

• 2:43:41Speaker 00

  And then they did, you know, so it's like there's these, there's a beautiful little camaraderie that happens in this city.

• 2:43:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:47Speaker 00

  And a, and a closeness that like when you're making fun of somebody, it's usually a more deep cut joke than like some surface Twitter shit.

• 2:43:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:43:58Speaker 00

  Like if there's a guy, some Italian guy who's upset at like the Chinese or whatever like that, he's, he'll be like, I'm sick of these fucking mahjong wantons. And it's like, he knows a ancient fucking card domino game from China. To be racist, that's good. But that's okay right there.

• 2:44:18Speaker 01

  But aren't a lot of the cuts just sort of like almost how much you like a person to some degree?

• 2:44:25Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:44:26Speaker 01

  Like my British friends, for example, you, you give them a ton, right? And they, and they give it to you and it's fun.

• 2:44:31Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. If you like somebody, you probably even say crazier shit.

• 2:44:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:44:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it will be nuanced and specific because you actually know these people and you connect with them.

• 2:44:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:44:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44:44Speaker 03

  And you're confronted with it. You have to be around people at all times.

• 2:44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't be holding grudges around here at all, right?

• 2:44:50Speaker 03

  I forgot who has that joke. Someone has a joke. He's like, being racist in New York.

• 2:44:53Speaker 00

  It's gonna be exhausting.

• 2:44:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's exhausting. If you're racist in New York, you're gonna be tired.

• 2:45:00Speaker 01

  So that's why people in these environments can't understand some of the rural environments, I think. And here's what I mean by that. If you, let's say, Mon Valley, south of Pittsburgh, Charleroy, old industrial town, pretty much down and out. When you, when you hit the population, I don't know that again, I, I know I always say this, but I don't know the exact number. But a massive influx of migrants overnight, almost overnight. And then the local population is like, we're not, it's not, it's not a racist thing. Here's, here's my point on this.

• 2:45:39Speaker 01

  It's a values thing. Where in American culture, if you stop at the crosswalks in small town America, and then all of a sudden there's these people that come here that don't know that, that's not how they do it there. And they're blazing the crosswalks, you're gonna piss people off naturally. And so a lot of, I think a lot of rural, I mean, sorry, urban America can't, because what you said a hundred, million times makes sense. But when you change places, small places with small populations very quickly, there's gonna be tension and friction in that.

• 2:46:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, and, and look, race obviously plays a part of everything and every conversation. But it doesn't mean it's the dominating force in it. It could just be a cultural.

• 2:46:20Speaker 01

  It's cold. That's what I'm saying. It's cultural because out, out in, all over Appalachia, like there are more interracial marriages than people know. Like there's more mixing. It's socioeconomics.

• 2:46:34Speaker 00

  But like, nobody makes this, nobody makes a big deal of it when like, for example, like white people gentrify a black neighborhood and they, you know, start calling the cops at a house party and like doing noise.

• 2:46:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that pisses off the local, the local neighborhood.

• 2:46:50Speaker 00

  No one calls it, no one calls it racism when, or no one, no one makes the racial component of it when black people are complaining about it. Right? Because it's, you're looking at like a cultural incompatibility or like an oppressor, colonizer coming into the thing. And it's looked at more surface level socioeconomic stuff, which is like they're complaining that they don't have the rules and regulations that exist in these like higher socioeconomic tax brackets. But when it, when it is reversed, let's say migrants are moving into a town, it's like, oh, they're just racist. They don't like these migrants. And it's like, they might, they might, they might be racist and don't like their culture. They might not be racist at all and don't like the incompatibility.

• 2:47:35Speaker 00

  But what you're saying is after talking with them, there's an incompatibility culturally with what's happening.

• 2:47:39Speaker 01

  There's a friction.

• 2:47:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:47:40Speaker 01

  Different behaviors.

• 2:47:41Speaker 00

  And that's okay.

• 2:47:42Speaker 01

  And that's okay. And that's life. If you're in where my mom lives and all of a sudden she's, you know, hears cherry pop exhaust at night and, and reggaeton at two in the morning, she's gonna be pissed. Doesn't mean it's racism. It means their value clashes.

• 2:47:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, she didn't hate them for the color of their skin and kids for their choice of music. You know, like, but I, I, these can be conversations though. They don't, the worst is when they go into this passive aggressive area. Also, like, they can be conversations when you're, in private, they're always the conversation. I don't know.

• 2:48:17Speaker 03

  Oh, in New York.

• 2:48:18Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. And, and it's not a conversation with animosity.

• 2:48:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a great one.

• 2:48:23Speaker 00

  It's, what happens is when they have on a public platform, the person that's asking the questions feels the responsibility of their audience and what the internet is gonna say about them. So now they have to caveat things in much more inflammatory ways to protect themselves and ingratiate themselves to their audience. So now the person they're talking to is immediately defensive because it's not like, I thought we were just having a normal kind of a thought experiment about this situation. Now it's no longer a thought experiment, it's a performance. So now both people are performing and there's gotta be a winner now. And when there has to be a winner, there's no way that you're gonna reach common ground. I think that's what's really difficult with discourse at like the highest levels.

• 2:49:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:49:07Speaker 00

  You know, smaller channels, it can happen because, you know, there's not that many people watching. When it gets big, there's whole ecosystems built around making these conversations look as inflammatory as possible.

• 2:49:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:49:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's why I keep it long form because everything gets taken out of context. What I just said can be taken out of context easily.

• 2:49:29Speaker 00

  And also like, you're showing what these people want to share.

• 2:49:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:34Speaker 00

  There's nothing you could do, like what are they gonna say about you in that regard? Like, these people are asking.

• 2:49:40Speaker 03

  You're not giving their opinion.

• 2:49:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:49:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the North Star is just let people have a light that typically don't have a light.

• 2:49:48Speaker 03

  What about like Dominican or Puerto Rican communities? Have you done any videos with them?

• 2:49:52Speaker 00

  Dude, you gotta go to the, I mean, this is.

• 2:49:54Speaker 01

  I've done Jackson Heights. Dominican people out there? I forget.

• 2:49:57Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:49:58Speaker 00

  Colombian. Cockfighting, bro. They got the.

• 2:50:02Speaker 01

  I tried that in Molokai, but it just wasn't gonna go well on YouTube.

• 2:50:05Speaker 00

  Dominicans have it. And they have their own lottery. They have their own.

• 2:50:10Speaker 01

  See, I don't think, I don't think that will survive on YouTube.

• 2:50:13Speaker 00

  Meaning what?

• 2:50:14Speaker 01

  Cockfighting?

• 2:50:15Speaker 00

  No, and you also can't expose it because it's highly illegal and happening here.

• 2:50:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. I tried on Molokai, the island of Molokai in Hawaii.

• 2:50:25Speaker 00

  They let you on Molokai?

• 2:50:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:26Speaker 00

  Isn't that the one where it's only?

• 2:50:28Speaker 01

  That's Nihiha.

• 2:50:29Speaker 00

  Oh, Nihiha, okay.

• 2:50:30Speaker 01

  Molokai is cool.

• 2:50:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:50:32Speaker 03

  And what happened with the cockfighting there?

• 2:50:34Speaker 01

  Uh, I met up with this guy. He was a local, but I just, it was gonna get ruined on YouTube.

• 2:50:40Speaker 03

  Did you go to it?

• 2:50:42Speaker 01

  No, I didn't go to it. Didn't really get me too pumped, to be honest.

• 2:50:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, it's brutal.

• 2:50:46Speaker 01

  It's brutal.

• 2:50:47Speaker 03

  But it's fascinating.

• 2:50:48Speaker 01

  I went out there with a bird, saw what he was doing, but I didn't, I didn't go back for the event. Yeah.

• 2:50:53Speaker 03

  What's the worst food you've had?

• 2:50:59Speaker 01

  I don't want to put these people under the bus because they're great.

• 2:51:02Speaker 03

  People can be great. Food can be, I mean, the English.

• 2:51:05Speaker 01

  You know, I'll start with raccoon is pretty good.

• 2:51:09Speaker 01

  Raccoon's pretty good.

• 2:51:11Speaker 00

  I like they always start with a positive.

• 2:51:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was, I was in, I was in Mississippi. And they had a raccoon like it was a Thanksgiving turkey, like meat falling off the bone, gravy, everything, like the raccoon centerpiece.

• 2:51:24Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 2:51:25Speaker 01

  And it was actually pretty good. The Nutra Rat in the bios of Louisiana.

• 2:51:32Speaker 01

  Sort of a tough, it's pretty clean, mild meat, but if it's got a ton of oil in there.

• 2:51:36Speaker 03

  Was like a big rat?

• 2:51:38Speaker 01

  It's a big rat. It's just a massive rat. I've eaten a tarantula the size of my hand. That tastes like eggs when you eat the, the back pouch.

• 2:51:45Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:51:46Speaker 01

  But the fried hairy legs are what gets you.

• 2:51:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it doesn't seem appetizing.

• 2:51:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:54Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:51:54Speaker 03

  Who gave you tarantula? That was overseas?

• 2:51:56Speaker 01

  That was when I was living in, in Asia and I was in Colombia. No, Cambodia.

• 2:52:00Speaker 00

  They eat anything, eh?

• 2:52:01Speaker 01

  They do. They fry and eat it.

• 2:52:03Speaker 00

  Just anything.

• 2:52:06Speaker 00

  They really do, right? Is there anything they don't?

• 2:52:09Speaker 01

  They're into bugs.

• 2:52:12Speaker 00

  But that is an interesting cultural aspect, is that anything is food.

• 2:52:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:52:17Speaker 00

  Just, this is.

• 2:52:18Speaker 03

  Maybe that's the right way.

• 2:52:20Speaker 00

  But pure, pure curiosity. Do you think that they would eat people first?

• 2:52:30Speaker 00

  If you already willing eat anything.

• 2:52:31Speaker 01

  Some of those people exist, cannibals out there. They're, they're out there.

• 2:52:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:52:37Speaker 01

  Gotta go far for that one, but yeah, I mean.

• 2:52:42Speaker 00

  I'm saying the people who are more dietary restricted would eat people last, I feel.

• 2:52:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is why, this is the benefit of religious laws.

• 2:52:51Speaker 00

  Also that, but also there's no religious law against eating horse, but usually we don't really do it outside of Montreal.

• 2:52:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, Japan, they have horse on the sushi menu.

• 2:53:00Speaker 00

  Where, well, where are they from? They're from, right?

• 2:53:04Speaker 01

  You said Montreal.

• 2:53:05Speaker 00

  No, I said Asia. They'll eat anything.

• 2:53:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Okay, gotcha.

• 2:53:08Speaker 03

  So do they eat horse in Montreal?

• 2:53:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53:11Speaker 01

  They do?

• 2:53:11Speaker 03

  I've never heard this.

• 2:53:12Speaker 00

  I've, I've eaten horse in Montreal.

• 2:53:14Speaker 01

  How was it?

• 2:53:16Speaker 00

  It was, it was like a ragu.

• 2:53:18Speaker 03

  And your stripper's name was Horse?

• 2:53:25Speaker 00

  It was delicious. It was absolutely delicious.

• 2:53:28Speaker 01

  How long you been married for?

• 2:53:31Speaker 00

  Five years, six years?

• 2:53:33Speaker 01

  Five years, five year old. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

• 2:53:37Speaker 00

  Once you have kids, it's like a reset.

• 2:53:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:53:40Speaker 00

  Like, especially relationship wise, like.

• 2:53:43Speaker 03

  Don't say that to your wife. I'm sure she'll love it.

• 2:53:45Speaker 00

  Meaning like, it starts at kids, really, like.

• 2:53:50Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Like you and your wife are married and everything, but like you could not be and it'll be all right, like.

• 2:53:55Speaker 03

  That's what I've been saying, dude. Women get married at the engagement, men get married when they have kids.

• 2:53:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53:59Speaker 03

  And no one gets married at the wedding.

• 2:54:01Speaker 00

  Nobody.

• 2:54:02Speaker 03

  The wedding is for grandma.

• 2:54:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:54:06Speaker 00

  Like, obviously you guys have a business and you need to find a new editor, but like, you'd be all right.

• 2:54:10Speaker 01

  That's the, that's the problem. I got, I got, we, we gotta find, if we, you know, go down this road, who's the person? How do you find that person?

• 2:54:19Speaker 00

  Who's the person for what?

• 2:54:20Speaker 01

  Editing.

• 2:54:21Speaker 00

  Oh, if you guys, if you, you need an editor, you're saying?

• 2:54:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's almost impossible.

• 2:54:27Speaker 00

  There's a lot of women in the Ukraine that need work right now, dude.

• 2:54:34Speaker 00

  You could go back to the source, bro. You could go right back.

• 2:54:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. I want to go domestic. I want to not outsource.

• 2:54:43Speaker 00

  You want to not outsource?

• 2:54:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:45Speaker 00

  You're saying like, let's say you and your wife have kids and she needs to take a little time off.

• 2:54:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:50Speaker 00

  I'm sure you could. There's, there's editors out there.

• 2:54:52Speaker 03

  There's someone, dude.

• 2:54:53Speaker 00

  They're dealing with one camera, right? It's not like you have a crazy setup.

• 2:54:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:57Speaker 00

  It's the dream job.

• 2:54:58Speaker 01

  Everything's as efficient as possible.

• 2:55:00Speaker 00

  How do you get audio so good?

• 2:55:03Speaker 01

  What I mean with someone like you, I use DJI Wireless. If I'm Solo Ranger, I just have a little, like foam condom thing on my, my GoPro.

• 2:55:13Speaker 00

  And it captures it?

• 2:55:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just gotta know where to put it and.

• 2:55:17Speaker 00

  Cause I think, I, I genuinely believe that part, obviously you're very skilled, but like part of the reason why the conversations can be so intimate and the walls can come down is because there's not a crew, and I'm sure this is by design.

• 2:55:34Speaker 01

  That's a, that's the biggest thing, right there. If I show up with a GoPro, hey, man, we start talking, you're forgetting it's right there. I'm just like this.

• 2:55:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:55:43Speaker 01

  And once I have that DSLR over my shoulder, there's no way I'm getting into the projects. There's, I mean, some of them I could, but no, like the Hasidics, no way, the Amish, no way. Cause I just, it just looks like nothing.

• 2:55:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:55:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:55:57Speaker 01

  That's the psychology behind it. Plus, I travel a lot. I really don't want to travel with a crew.

• 2:56:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:56:03Speaker 01

  When I'm done shooting a day, I'm exhausted.

• 2:56:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:56:06Speaker 01

  I don't want to listen. I don't want to talk.

• 2:56:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:56:09Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Want to go back to my room and zone out.

• 2:56:11Speaker 00

  Also, you can shoot so much more.

• 2:56:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I go out, we shoot three, three, we post three videos a month, 11 months a year. So we don't post January. So like, for example, this is a short trip. I'll get three videos this week here in New York. That's a month of content, but I was just in Washington, two weeks, I get six videos. I'm good for two months. I go home.

• 2:56:39Speaker 01

  Two weeks, go home for a month and a half. Cause I don't want to be on the road all the time.

• 2:56:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, I get it.

• 2:56:45Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:56:45Speaker 03

  You ever done ayahuasca?

• 2:56:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:47Speaker 03

  How was that?

• 2:56:49Speaker 01

  I changed my life in the, in the sense I don't drink anymore.

• 2:56:52Speaker 00

  Why'd you stop drinking?

• 2:56:53Speaker 01

  Ayahuasca.

• 2:56:54Speaker 00

  But like, why? What about the experience?

• 2:56:55Speaker 01

  It's just, I can't explain it. Natural.

• 2:56:58Speaker 00

  Like you have an aversion to it now or?

• 2:57:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't, I have no interest. I didn't try to quit. I didn't want to quit. I never thought about quitting. I just can't drink it.

• 2:57:06Speaker 00

  Have you thought about just giving it another go?

• 2:57:10Speaker 00

  And then, and then you're like, oh, I had nothing to do with ayahuasca. What the fuck is that thing?

• 2:57:14Speaker 01

  No, I don't suggest it. Like I did it in my late 30s. It is powerful stuff. I know it gets thrown around easily, like.

• 2:57:20Speaker 03

  I did it, just passed some for the first time.

• 2:57:22Speaker 01

  Right. So it's, it's heavy. It's no joke. And I wouldn't have been able to do it in my twenties or even early thirties. So everyone's on their own trip with that stuff, literally. Like you gotta figure out, like, don't jump in, obviously, but I did, I think at 38.

• 2:57:39Speaker 03

  And where were you?

• 2:57:40Speaker 01

  I was in, I became a Native American for a day because the, what was it? I don't want to put the, the tribe under the bus. They were giving out cards to become a member to do it legally in California. So, because it's a religious sacrament. Yeah. So I was technically a member of the church.

• 2:57:58Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:57:59Speaker 01

  This native church and we did it and it was a, really a pretty bad operation. We were packed in like sardines. A guy was freaking out next to me. It was pretty hardcore.

• 2:58:08Speaker 03

  How many people?

• 2:58:09Speaker 01

  Oh, it was probably 60 of us in a tent.

• 2:58:11Speaker 03

  In a literal tent, like a teepee?

• 2:58:12Speaker 01

  Like a, like a, like a wedding tent, but you're, you're shoulder to shoulder.

• 2:58:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:58:17Speaker 01

  Not the way to do it. Good music.

• 2:58:21Speaker 03

  Like native music?

• 2:58:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty sketchy in many ways, but it worked. Like I never drank again after and like, that was the best thing ever. And nothing against drinking, for anyone that drinks.

• 2:58:31Speaker 03

  How many ceremonies did you do? Did you just drink it one time or?

• 2:58:33Speaker 01

  I did three in one, in one rip.

• 2:58:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I only did it once.

• 2:58:37Speaker 00

  And then after that.

• 2:58:39Speaker 03

  One was so long.

• 2:58:40Speaker 00

  You, you never wanted to taste that? Like, I'm, I'm so unclear.

• 2:58:45Speaker 01

  Here's the thing, before ayahuasca, you gotta eat a completely clean diet. I forget if it's like a week or two weeks, right?

• 2:58:51Speaker 03

  I did it for a week.

• 2:58:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, no alcohol, no sugar, no, you eat really cleanly. Okay. And then you do the trip and then you come out the other end. And I had a headache for like a week. I was worried like my head was gonna, I guess gonna have a headache for life or something. So then the week after, if someone does it, highly suggest taking the time, the week off afterwards. I wrote down pages of the thought. You come into a lot of things during that experience. And then after that week, I was gonna meet up with some buddies. Do you want to get a beer? I'm like, yeah. It went out. I just didn't feel like ordering it. And then another week later, I don't really feel like it. A month later, and literally, what? 11 years later? Haven't drank a sip. But I cheated because I haven't tried to quit. I don't have any

• 2:59:35Speaker 01

  cravings. I don't want beer. I don't want drinks. I drink some NA beer sometimes.

• 2:59:40Speaker 03

  Did you need to quit before? Like, were you in a situation?

• 2:59:42Speaker 01

  Now, when you're out of it, yes. When you're in it, just like anything, when you're in a relationship, you know, and, and it would say it was pretty good or whatever, and there was great, great moments, but it goes back and you get out of it and then you, in retrospect, you can look back and be like, yeah, I really needed to be out of that thing. That's how I look at alcohol.

• 3:00:02Speaker 03

  But in the moment, you didn't think it was a problem?

• 3:00:04Speaker 01

  Not at all.

• 3:00:05Speaker 03

  Interesting. But then looking back, you're like, oh, I was messing up in different parts of my life.

• 3:00:09Speaker 01

  Big time. I, I wouldn't be doing it at this level now, no way.

• 3:00:12Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 3:00:12Speaker 01

  Because at late 30s, I'd have like two beers and be hungover. Something changing my metabolism.

• 3:00:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, I hear that.

• 3:00:22Speaker 00

  It happens.

• 3:00:22Speaker 01

  But, but you, was it a good experience for you?

• 3:00:25Speaker 03

  Oh, it was amazing, but I only sat with it one time. It was a lot.

• 3:00:29Speaker 01

  It's heavy.

• 3:00:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. But then I went to a Jay-Z concert and drank the next day, so I don't think it had that. He's been drinking a lot more, actually.

• 3:00:36Speaker 01

  Wow. Look, it does, it does what it's gonna do. If you're open to the medicine, now I'm sounding like a shaman. If you're open to the medicine, it's gonna do what you need.

• 3:00:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:00:47Speaker 01

  It doesn't guarantee you're gonna stop drinking or anything. It's like what you need. It's gonna give you a window into something. What I saw, no drink, what I got out of it, and I need to get closer to nature. Like that was something that came through.

• 3:01:01Speaker 03

  Was the person administering it, like the ayahuasca, were they native or was it like?

• 3:01:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 3:01:07Speaker 03

  Who was it?

• 3:01:08Speaker 01

  Some rando. It was, it was sketch. It was highly sketch.

• 3:01:14Speaker 03

  That sounds worse than buying.

• 3:01:17Speaker 01

  They had all the instruments. It's great music.

• 3:01:21Speaker 03

  Do you throw up?

• 3:01:21Speaker 01

  But I, I didn't throw up. I remember the guy, cause it's weird, you're, you're in the most powerful trip there is or one of them, but then you can like, there's a fly on my wrist. I feel that. And I'm like sober on that thing. I know what's going on and get it off. And then the guy next to me is tweaking and rolling over onto me when I'm on ayahuasca. And I like stood up and I said, I treated, I treated him like a three year old. I'm like, here's the line, here's the line, don't come over the line. And then I started yelling at him. And then I realized the lesson in that was, in life, there are so many things out of your control. You do your best, but you just gotta let things go, you know?

• 3:02:04Speaker 03

  And then he started rolling around with it.

• 3:02:06Speaker 01

  And then he started rolling, but I, no, it was, it's heavy. I don't know. Are you interested or? Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't do it again.

• 3:02:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:14Speaker 01

  I mean, right now I have no need to do it. And I think it's when you're searching, you're really looking for something.

• 3:02:19Speaker 00

  That's what I think it is.

• 3:02:20Speaker 01

  And right now I'm on a path that I'm pretty pumped on, but it took me a long time to get to this path and a lot of searching.

• 3:02:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:26Speaker 01

  And that was part of it.

• 3:02:28Speaker 00

  Well, we are enjoying it, my brother. Keep crushing it. If we have any good niche communities, we'll hit you and love to see you explore it. Thank you so much for spending time.

• 3:02:36Speaker 01

  That was awesome. You guys.

• 3:02:38Speaker 00

  Pimpin' Santana, everybody.