War On The Whiteboys! Timmy Chalamet, Jack Harlow, & Why Mormon Wives Get Freaky | Ep #696

YERRR – the boys feel abandoned, but still find time to break down Chalamet, Jack Harlow, and why we need new superstars. We’re talking: – Smut sells, Ozempic skinny jealousy, & McDonald’s elite menu rankings – Ai saving money, UBI panic & leaving the U. S. – White Lotus dreams, Mormon wives chaos & March Madness All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. 0:00 We’ve been abandoned 00:21 Kpop Demon Hunters is ENGLISH 1:39 St Paddy’s Day + Hard for Jack Harlow 12:25 Care about Opera/Ballet? SPANISH 16:16 Jack’s new nicknames + Unfair? 18:46 Chalamet is good + Needing new Superstars 24:18 Overexposure + Promotion will change 29:40 Schulz navigate + Breaking out of character 33:44 Smut Sells, Fourth Wing + Lines for Harry Potter 37:35 Going to the cinema 41:20 Dune, Opera moment + Bloopers 52:12 Comics laugh, All Season depression + No empathy 56:28 Named after Alex’s stage name + Royals 59:53 Skinnies on Ozempic + Milk & Cereal Hour 1:11:06 Shamrock Shake + McRib OVERRATED 1:13:51 McSommelier + Maccys Passport 1:16:19 March Madness for a Billy 1:23:38 Leaving US, UBI + Catastrophic thinking 1:41:25 Using AI to save money + Switcher 1:47:46 White Lotus S4 + We need Mike White 1:53:37 Mormon Wives, Bat Ish + Camera shy 2:03:34 BAILIFF, Breaking News + Miles McDonalds 2:05:22 Don’t care about Baseball + Taylor Frankie Paul 2:10:27 Chase Infiniti is a new credit card This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  What's up everybody, welcome to Flagrant. We've been abandoned. Let's just call it what it is, okay? We got no Akash.

• 0:07Mark Gagnon?

  Hunger Games.

• 0:08Speaker 00

  We got no fucking... Mark, it's Al and I holding it down Corona-style. Okay, we're throwing it back to you. Alex and Shifty seem to be under the impression that the K-pop Demon Hunters is an English-American-made movie that just happens to be about a K-pop band and not a Korean-made movie.

• 0:31Mark Gagnon?

  No, it's a Korean-made movie, but it's made in English.

• 0:34Speaker 00

  No, no, they dubbed it in English.

• 0:35Mark Gagnon?

  No, it's made in English. All the words of the fucking animated shit are English words.

• 0:42Speaker 00

  You don't think that that's originally a Korean song?

• 0:46Mark Gagnon?

  No. It won't slap the same.

• 0:50Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 0:53Mark Gagnon?

  That don't slap the same. Does that slap the same?

• 1:01Speaker 00

  Al, we don't have our Asian representative or our cock Asian representative here for you to be making these jokes, okay? Al, you need to keep your racism... You even got the beef and broccoli on, is that why you...

• 1:17Speaker 00

  Put that Timbaland up in there.

• 1:18Mark Gagnon?

  I'm about to take chopsticks to my feet.

• 1:21Speaker 00

  I take back what I said. If Al has the beef and broccoli on, he's allowed to do the accent. Okay? I'm just trying to keep the wheels on the bus. I'm trying to keep the wheels on the bus, Miles, I'll move back in the frame. Don't you worry, get some AC going on in here.

• 1:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, we need some AC.

• 1:39Mark Gagnon?

  It is St. Patty's Day.

• 1:40Speaker 00

  Yo, happy St. Patrick's Day!

• 1:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:43Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:44Mark Gagnon?

  Shout out to the Irish.

• 1:45Speaker 00

  I'm Irish.

• 1:46Mark Gagnon?

  No, you're not.

• 1:47Speaker 00

  I am, I'm a quarter-Irish.

• 1:49Mark Gagnon?

  You, you just want to be something, bro.

• 1:52Speaker 00

  Brother, are you Puerto Rican?

• 1:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, but I'm real Puerto Rican.

• 1:57Speaker 00

  How?

• 1:58Mark Gagnon?

  Because my mom was born there.

• 2:00Speaker 00

  We don't know that.

• 2:03Speaker 00

  There's no proof of that. What proof do you have of that? What proof? Call your mom right now, see if she was actually born in a hospital with no electricity. There's no way that she was born... There's no fucking way.

• 2:13Mark Gagnon?

  No, she was born in a bathtub, that's not a...

• 2:15Speaker 00

  That is...

• 2:18Mark Gagnon?

  Trump threw him a fucking paper towel and shit.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Al, Al?

• 2:22Mark Gagnon?

  Cleaned up the blood.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Al, you gonna, it's gonna be just one of us next episode if you keep it up.

• 2:27Mark Gagnon?

  It's gonna be me, baby.

• 2:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, you tuned into BET.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  We're down to two. We're down to two, listen.

• 2:35Mark Gagnon?

  Is this a setup? Like, I feel like I'mma open this and it's gonna explode.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  No, no, no, that did, that did drop, but it's, uh, it's Guinness, there's no bubbles in it.

• 2:41Mark Gagnon?

  Miles, you wanna open this?

• 2:42Speaker 02

  You fucked up.

• 2:43Mark Gagnon?

  I think you, white people have like, uh, better.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Can you?

• 2:46Mark Gagnon?

  Do beer better.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  Listen, can we, can we all just have a moment? Can we have a moment right now to just acknowledge? It's hard out there for white boys with emotion. Can we just have a moment to acknowledge?

• 2:57Mark Gagnon?

  That's what you're going with?

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Can we just acknowledge it?

• 3:00Mark Gagnon?

  Are you a white boy with emotion?

• 3:02Speaker 02

  It's also hard with Puerto Ricans opening a fucking channel.

• 3:05Mark Gagnon?

  I told you, white people do it better.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:08Mark Gagnon?

  Boy.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 3:10Mark Gagnon?

  Whoa, whoa.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  That made me feel uncomfortable.

• 3:12Mark Gagnon?

  God damn.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  That really made me feel uncomfortable.

• 3:15Mark Gagnon?

  Are we being silly or not?

• 3:17Speaker 02

  I told you that. Al just the Tourette's guy. That's what the guy said at the Baptist.

• 3:23Mark Gagnon?

  There we go, got it.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Good, there it is.

• 3:24Mark Gagnon?

  Strong hands, baby.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:26Mark Gagnon?

  Alright.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  Okay, so yeah, do you think it's, I mean, Jack Harlow and Timmy go, going through it right now?

• 3:30Mark Gagnon?

  Tell me how hard it is for white boys with emotion right now.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Al, I need you to lean back, you're right in Andrew's shot.

• 3:34Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, my bad.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, we can just go to that wide right here. The wide is really not even that wide today. No, it's not. You know?

• 3:43Speaker 02

  We really just need one camera for this. Yeah, okay. We're doing Weekend Update. That's what Al and I do, okay? It's, uh, no, no, listen, I'm not here to complain about the journey of the white male.

• 3:54Mark Gagnon?

  Nice.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  Al? There's nobody else for me to talk to.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  I need you paying attention the whole time.

• 4:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, this is gonna be uncomfortable, I gotta like lock eyes with you. This is like a date right now. Move over a little bit.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  I am a little closer to you than you want to be.

• 4:13Mark Gagnon?

  Like, what the fuck is this?

• 4:14Speaker 02

  I am occupying space.

• 4:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I am. I don't care.

• 4:18Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, what the fuck, is this the West Bank or something? Get out of here, bro.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Damn, Al, do we have to get political immediately? What's your favorite city in the West Bank?

• 4:26Mark Gagnon?

  Um... Don't know it.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Put your Ukraine flag back on, bro.

• 4:39Mark Gagnon?

  I stand with the people.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  I stand with what the internet says. That's what we need. Cheers, cheers, cheers, my boy. Cheers, cheers. Okay, free everyone. Except, except white boys with motion.

• 4:53Mark Gagnon?

  All right, tell me about this.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  You have no take on this as a black dude?

• 4:57Mark Gagnon?

  I mean...

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Did you listen to, first of all, did you listen to Jack's album?

• 5:02Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Okay, so that makes both of us. So we're gonna give you strong opinions on this.

• 5:07Mark Gagnon?

  We heard like fifteen seconds of it in the elevator with Dove.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:11Mark Gagnon?

  And that didn't sound too great.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  But that's not fair. You would never judge a Jay-Z album on fifteen seconds. You'd never judge anybody's album on fifteen seconds.

• 5:18Mark Gagnon?

  But he's not singing. So R&B is singing. And he was just like doing the little whisper talking stuff. So it was like, that already is like, oh, if the whole album's like that, don't call it an R&B album.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  So you wanna see vocals for an R&B album?

• 5:32Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  Is there anybody that doesn't have vocals, but they're just so musically inclined, you're like, fine, you get to do it?

• 5:38Mark Gagnon?

  Uh, Kanye 808th and Heartbreak. But he used autotune to make him shit.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  To make up for the fact that he couldn't sing?

• 5:45Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 5:47Mark Gagnon?

  So if he just said this is an alternative album? Got it.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  You know that there's no way that he's, no matter what he said, he was gonna get cooked for this?

• 5:54Mark Gagnon?

  I think, no, I don't think so. If he just said that, yo, I'm making an alternative album. Now it's not a black...

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Oh, so you think the criticism comes from the fact that it doesn't sound like R&B, but he called it that? When did he ever say it was an R&B album?

• 6:07Mark Gagnon?

  I'm pretty sure that's the whole rollout, that he's putting out an R&B album.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  I don't know. Do you wanna play this clip? Play this clip.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  I'm saying you didn't retreat into a whiter genre. In fact, you arguably went into, deeper into... I got blacker. Deeper into...

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Pause, pause, pause.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Is that...

• 6:24Speaker 02

  That's where, that's what most people have seen from the clip. Okay, that's what most people have seen from the interview and all the opinions about this rollout come from that one right here, right? There's an extended version of the conversation where the two interviewers, they're basically being politically correct and they're like being white guys about asking him this question, which is like, yo, you see a lot of white artists, they retreat to white music, once they get on, you didn't do that. And they basically want to say you got blacker, they want to say that, but they're not saying it. So he says it, and then he goes on, and you can play more of the clip.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  Was that conscious? Was that a little twist on the typical move that white rappers make, which is to retreat back into traditionally white sounds? It certainly made what I already wanted to do even more appealing. Absolutely. Because you like pushing that boundary, that line? I think I love black music. I love the sound of black music.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  Pause. Pause. That's such a funny moment, because he's like, because you like pushing the boundary? He's like, nah, bro, I just like black music. And then the interviewer's like, yeah, yeah, me too.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, yeah.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  I think that this is handled perfectly. Like, he's saying, hey, I love this music, I, this is what I wanted to make, this is what's inspiring me. He says, I got blacker, because that's what the interview's trying to say. He's saying it almost sarcastically.

• 7:48Mark Gagnon?

  But he shouldn't have. Let the, either let the fucking interviewer say it, if he's not gonna say it, you don't need to dig it in.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  Yo, everybody stop podcasting, bro. Everybody gotta stop podcasting. I know Alex Scott a podcast studio.

• 7:58Mark Gagnon?

  Turn it off, turn it off.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Everybody gotta stop podcasting, because there's nothing you could do.

• 8:01Mark Gagnon?

  No, just white people need to stop podcasting, apparently.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  It's not just white people.

• 8:05Mark Gagnon?

  Who's black getting in trouble?

• 8:06Speaker 02

  Jack Harlow just got in trouble off a podcast, bro.

• 8:10Mark Gagnon?

  He's black?

• 8:11Speaker 02

  He's blacker than ever, dude. He's, come on, Al.

• 8:15Mark Gagnon?

  All right, so now...

• 8:16Speaker 02

  No, this is interesting, is it just black, is it just white people getting in trouble podcasting? Nah.

• 8:20Mark Gagnon?

  You got Jack, and you got Chalamet.

• 8:27Mark Gagnon?

  Black guys get on St. Wild Shitin Podcast, them shits blow up. You got Shannon, Shannon Sharpod. Shannon, Shannon says some shit, like, everybody goes on Shannon and gets into some shit. But that, but it's like, blows up in a good way. Cat Williams goes over there, it's the biggest podcast ever. His tour's selling out ever. Like, it's a good thing for them. Interesting. So you think it's just white people get in trouble? Yeah, y'all crapping about our ass niggas, bro. That's it, is it white people tearing down white people? Yes, because you're- Not with Jack Harlow. Your barrel is getting smaller because minorities are growing. But the Jack Harlow response is not from white people? Hmm, it's a little bit of both. But, black people, because he said, "I'm getting blacker."

• 9:10Mark Gagnon?

  Like, I don't like the sound of that. That was a little cringy. I get what he's saying, and if you watch the whole clip, I agree with everything he's saying. But if you stop it at right there, it's like, "Oh yeah, I'm getting blacker." And it's like, we have a history of all this fucking, uh, what's it called, the, um... Who's the guy, the, the culture vultures? Like, we've had a history of that, so it's like, it looks that way. Yeah, but you can't look at him and be like, "Oh, he's being sarcastic." Nah, I don't think he's being sarcastic. He's using language that's sarcastic. Yes, yes, if you watch the full clip. If you just stop it at, "Yeah, I'm getting blacker." But R&B isn't any blacker than rap. Like, they're both black music forms. You're not more black if you do R&B than rap.

• 9:55Mark Gagnon?

  I would say R&B's blacker. Aw, Jesus. R&B is blacker. I need someone else on the podcast. It's rhythm and blues. Y'all don't got rhythm or blues. We got blues, Blues Brothers.

• 10:09Mark Gagnon?

  But you don't have rhythm, and blues is a black art form. We do have, white people invented dancing. Bro, you invented, like, skipping and shit like that. Like, your dancers, your dancers are one, two, three, four. Rhythm is just like, "Hey, we feel it." Can you show me? Can you show me some rhythm? I feel it. Nah, I've been hanging around too many whites, man, but I'm losing rhythm, bro. I think Jack Harlow might come more rhythm to me right now. Feel that for a second. But, I get why the internet's upset. They shouldn't be, if you watch the full clip. Because he got put in a position and he said the thing you're supposed to say. He's like, "Hey, I like the music, and so I'm just leaning into the music that I like." But-

• 10:49Mark Gagnon?

  At the same time, you know it's a little bit easier for white people to switch genres than it is for black people.

• 10:56Speaker 02

  Easier in terms of?

• 10:59Mark Gagnon?

  So, a white guy like him, Post, can go to white music, country, and no one's giving him shit for going to country.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  I think white people can go from black to white very easy.

• 11:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  It's like a welcome home, right? But can, can a traditional like rock musician drop a rap album? No, that's hard.

• 11:22Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, do we have any examples of a black artist that started in a white genre and then went to hip-hop?

• 11:31Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, wait a minute, hold on.

• 11:35Mark Gagnon?

  That's what this would be.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, but there is, oh no, that's a totally different one. Hootie and the Blowfish, was that the guy?

• 11:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  Wagon Wheel?

• 11:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  So he started out, but he started out doing what? What was that like?

• 11:47Mark Gagnon?

  I think he started at Hootie.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, he started with Hootie, but what type of music was it? It was just like pop music?

• 11:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, pop.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  And then he went to like country.

• 11:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, then country.

• 11:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I guess he didn't get any, maybe he did get some shit. Maybe we're just not fucking aware of it because we don't know what the hell is happening in country music. My point is that like, this is like, I think this is perfect example of just like, the internet is one big outrage machine right now. It's like the only thing that gets clicks and the only thing that gets views. It's like, reaction, outrage, reaction, outrage. And they gotta find things to be outraged by because maybe they're exhausted being outraged by real shit. Like there's war going on and they're like, alright, we got all that outrage out. What can I be outraged about that doesn't really matter? Like Timmy Chalamet talking about like ballet or opera, it doesn't fucking really matter.

• 12:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it doesn't.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  Like, nobody really, like, I grew up in a dance family, let me tell you, like, I grew up in a dance family.

• 12:39Mark Gagnon?

  Gay?

• 12:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes.

• 12:40Mark Gagnon?

  So did he, though.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  I did, and he did, and he knows it. Like, my wife came to New York to be a ballerina. Like, this, the ballet is completely supported by donors. Like, the tickets you do go to see the Nutcracker doesn't pay for ballet.

• 12:52Mark Gagnon?

  Shit, is that why you liked your wife? Because she reminded you of your mother?

• 12:56Speaker 02

  My mom was a ballerina.

• 12:58Mark Gagnon?

  I thought she did all dancing. Ballet was part of it.

• 13:01Speaker 00

  No, no, no. My mom was a three-time US Baron Dance Champion. I gotta put some respect on her name.

• 13:07Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, so your wife didn't live up to what your mom did in the game?

• 13:11Speaker 00

  She didn't become a three-time US Baron Dance Champion.

• 13:13Mark Gagnon?

  Damn, you want to shit on your wife like that?

• 13:15Speaker 00

  I mean, I'm just saying, she didn't achieve that.

• 13:17Mark Gagnon?

  See, I'm doing like the New York Times guys doing to you right now. There's no way you can answer this.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  The way they would ask you, they'd be like, "So how do you feel about what your wife has accomplished?" And I'd be like, "I think she did a great job." Yeah, of course she did a great job. That's, that would be that line of life questioning. But I'm very proud of all my wife's achievements. I don't compare her to my mom at all. Thank God. I know you don't compare your wife to your mom because you're with a white woman.

• 13:43Mark Gagnon?

  I'm with a Spanish woman. I'm with a Spanish woman that speaks Spanish, and my mom speaks Spanish, so you know what?

• 13:48Speaker 00

  Alex Harlow, you, you created an R&B album in her belly one day.

• 13:56Speaker 00

  How dare you criticize Jack Harlow when you're trying to create more whites? You're doing everything in your power to make more white people.

• 14:04Mark Gagnon?

  I'm trying to make more blacks.

• 14:04Speaker 00

  Listen, no, no, he's trying to get blacker, you not.

• 14:07Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 14:12Speaker 00

  Hey, Jack Harlow is trying to get blacker.

• 14:15Mark Gagnon?

  We don't call Barack the first white president.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  You out here.

• 14:18Mark Gagnon?

  We call him the first black.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  You out here selling St. Patty's Day, you cracker ass.

• 14:26Speaker 00

  First thing you say, you didn't celebrate Black History Month, not one day last month out.

• 14:32Mark Gagnon?

  I did a little bit.

• 14:33Speaker 00

  What did you do? Went to Spain with your white wife?

• 14:37Mark Gagnon?

  Spanish.

• 14:39Mark Gagnon?

  Spanish wife. Let's get that straight. She's a Spanish wife.

• 14:42Speaker 00

  She's a beautiful, beautiful, lovely lady. Beautiful, lovely lady, white as could be.

• 14:45Mark Gagnon?

  Spanish.

• 14:46Speaker 00

  Definitely from Northern Europe and migrated to Spain to help kick out the Browns. She, her family was probably one of the people that kicked the Moors out.

• 14:53Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, nah, nah.

• 14:54Speaker 00

  When Dove's, when Dove's great-grandma and grandpa came over to take over Spain, it was your wife's family that was like, "Get these fucking..." I'm not gonna say the word they would say.

• 15:04Mark Gagnon?

  She embraced them because her dad's a biologist and they let all...

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Yo.

• 15:09Mark Gagnon?

  Bleep that, bleep that, bleep that.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  We're trying to, we're trying to do a podcast. I didn't realize that Mark and Akas kept you at bay.

• 15:17Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  Holy moly. You're just, you're just, you're a bad guy.

• 15:21Mark Gagnon?

  No, I love, God knows my heart.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  I hope the internet does too.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  I hope the internet does too. Damn, he just called Dove and his, and his family. Did we bleep what he said?

• 15:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, we did. Yeah, we did. I called them great people, that's what I did. We had to bleep. I was complimenting them. You bleeped it?

• 15:41Speaker 02

  No, but you bleeped it and now they're running with it. So they're thinking you meant something that you didn't say.

• 15:47Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, fuck.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're fucked.

• 15:48Mark Gagnon?

  It's way worse.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  You might as well just keep the thing you said.

• 15:51Mark Gagnon?

  Damn it. So I really have to admit, more as a great human beings? Damn it. That sucks. Keep it in.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  We gotta, we gotta work on Al's sarcasm.

• 16:00Mark Gagnon?

  I know, I know. I'm not good on it. I'm not good, I'm not good.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Al's like one of these guys that at 35 is learning what sarcasm is.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Even has his own like tone and affect to it. This is good.

• 16:13Mark Gagnon?

  I'm trying, guys.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  All right, listen, this is, all I gotta say is, if there's one thing I hope that Jack can appreciate is it's some of the names that they gave him were hilarious. He seems like a funny kid. I, I, I hope. Naturally, you put out an album, you work really hard on it, people judge it, and it's gonna hurt. But calling him January 6th in Park is a, disingenuous is funny. No, De La Stole is funny.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  I must definitely not admit. IRS1 is fantastic.

• 16:48Mark Gagnon?

  That's great, that's great.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Charlie Kirk Franklin.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Nah, so Charlie Kirk Franklin is insane.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Yakub Kali. Hold on, these are cooking right now. No, that's fucked up. They just called him straight up Daniel Caesar. That's, that's mean to our friend, friend of the show, Daniel Caesar. We love Daniel Caesar, amazing musician, that's disrespectful, okay? Music Rothschild might be my favorite.

• 17:23Mark Gagnon?

  That's good, that's good. It sucks all the shit he's getting too, cuz I like Jack, he's a funny guy, good personality. I like him.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Proud Boys to Men is... Guys, alright, stop it. Just stop it. Just stop it right now. Okay, so unfair, unfair what Jack's going through? Would you rather that the album just be judged off the merits of the album and nothing to do with what he said in the interview?

• 17:46Mark Gagnon?

  Uh, yes, but then I don't think as many people will tune into it.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  So is there a version where like all the controversy gets people to go listen and then he is gonna find the people that are into what he created?

• 17:56Mark Gagnon?

  I think so. I think this, if the album's good, over the long run, this helps it.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  Okay, boom.

• 18:01Mark Gagnon?

  Cause like, I probably wouldn't have tuned in and now I probably will give it a listen just to see if-

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Cause you talk so much shit.

• 18:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I gotta... Actually, I don't give a fuck. I'll keep talking shit, but still.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Nah, that's fucking insane, that one.

• 18:17Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, these are awesome. Yo, the internet is fucking-

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Yo, can we watch? Cause they just dropped the new trailer for Dune. We probably can't watch it, right? Will we get clipped if we watch it?

• 18:26Mark Gagnon?

  Why? We're reviewing.

• 18:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're talking over it and like pausing and stuff. That's where we get caught, is we just play it through.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  Oh, we play it straight through. Alright, fair enough.

• 18:34Mark Gagnon?

  Alright, so pausatory moment and you say a word.

• 18:38Mark Gagnon?

  Chalamet!

• 18:38Speaker 04

  Take the beer from Al.

• 18:41Mark Gagnon?

  No, I'm not even cooking yet.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  No, you're cooked.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  We need, what we need is a Chalamet. Okay, they just dropped Dune Part 3. Were you a fan? Do you like the Dune stuff? Okay, you're into Dune.

• 18:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Okay, how do you think of him as an actor in Dune?

• 18:54Mark Gagnon?

  Great. Phenomenal.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  He's night, like this is-

• 18:57Mark Gagnon?

  I think he's a good actor.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  This is the revisionist history shit I don't like.

• 19:00Mark Gagnon?

  You said he's phenomenal actor.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  I think he's phenomenal!

• 19:03Mark Gagnon?

  He's not phenomenal. He's good.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Can you just give me baseline for phenomenal? Is Leo your baseline for phenomenal?

• 19:08Mark Gagnon?

  He, yeah, he's up there. Yeah, yeah.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 19:10Mark Gagnon?

  And he's not Leo.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  Yet.

• 19:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Yet. Is he Leo at 27?

• 19:15Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm...

• 19:17Speaker 02

  How old was Leo when he was-

• 19:18Mark Gagnon?

  Titanic?

• 19:19Speaker 02

  Gilmore Grape?

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Uh, I can tell ya.

• 19:22Mark Gagnon?

  That was wild.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  That's-

• 19:24Mark Gagnon?

  You didn't have to do that to say it.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  He did the-

• 19:27Mark Gagnon?

  To say the name of a character. That was wild, and I'm the bad one.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  I'm not saying that you're bad, but like if I'm impersonating, like if you do Forrest Gump, how do you do his voice? Do you go, "I like chocolate"?

• 19:39Speaker 02

  No, right?

• 19:40Speaker 04

  He was 19.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Say what?

• 19:42Speaker 04

  He was 19 and we did-

• 19:42Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, geez, no Leo. Come on, son.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Come on, what? This is just, it's become trendy to hate on him shit? When did you notice?

• 19:53Mark Gagnon?

  You just, you just compared him to Leo and then you asked the age and now that Leo was 19, acting better than Jaleme.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  We never seen Jaleme act mentally deficient.

• 20:04Mark Gagnon?

  We saw Marty Supreme.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  No, Marty Supreme, I didn't see it. But, uh, but Marty Supreme, he was just acting. What do you mean, my guy? I'm just being objective here. I think he's a good actor. I think he's a really good actor. Phenomenal, actually.

• 20:17Mark Gagnon?

  No, not phenomenal. You're lying. You're capping. And that's why we hate on it. Because you're capping.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  I think he's phenomenal.

• 20:24Mark Gagnon?

  Alright, cap. Keep going. Cap, though. That's bullshit. You think he's the same level as Leo? Same level as Denzel?

• 20:29Speaker 02

  No, I don't think he's the same level as Leo. I think like Leo, Denzel are in a different, you know.

• 20:34Mark Gagnon?

  Phenomenal!

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, Leo, but Denzel. Okay, fine, there's another level beyond it. But I don't think that Michael B. Jordan is in a different level than, than Timmy Jaleme.

• 20:43Mark Gagnon?

  I don't, yeah, I think they're same level.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:45Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  I actually think, I know we're talking about this on, on idiots, but like, I think that, I think that, I think that the Oscars, they did the right thing just giving it to the youth. Cause like, you have to pump up the next generation of superstars in cinema.

• 21:00Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Right? You don't have the luxury of just giving Oscars to the actors that are absolutely phenomenal. Like, even if Leo did a better job in acting than both of them, it's kind of like in the best interest for the movie industry to, to crown Michael B. or Timmy as the superstars. And they low-key kind of did it. Like, who won the Golden Globe? I think it was a different, maybe it was Mora or something like that? Wonder Mora or something?

• 21:24Speaker 00

  Yep, Wagner Mora.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  Wagner Mora won it, right? And then?

• 21:27Mark Gagnon?

  That's a person or a movie?

• 21:29Speaker 02

  No, that's, that's a person. He's the, uh, he's the guy who was, uh, Narcos, right? Wasn't that the first one where you saw him?

• 21:35Speaker 04

  He's in a movie called The Secret Agent.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  But like-

• 21:38Speaker 04

  And yes, he's from Narcos.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  That's where we first saw him, in Narcos. Anyway, then you got Timmy, and then you have, uh, Timmy getting the BAFTA, right? Do any of us care about movies? No.

• 21:49Mark Gagnon?

  Not. The BAFTA is the only thing we know about. It was the Tourette's guy.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:53Mark Gagnon?

  That's the whole show.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  He won that.

• 21:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, Tourette's won BAFTAs.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  Who won Best Actor? Robert Aramayo. Oh, interesting. I remember Timmy winning something.

• 22:05Mark Gagnon?

  Timmy just had a losing year, bro.

• 22:07Speaker 04

  I'm looking. He didn't, I'm, he didn't win, that whole movie didn't win an Oscar.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  No, but I remember him winning some award. Maybe it was Golden People's Choice or like, what?

• 22:15Mark Gagnon?

  Oh yeah, give him the one that don't count.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Why doesn't that one count?

• 22:18Mark Gagnon?

  People's Choice.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Aren't you a man of the people? You fucking industry hack.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  What fucking Netflix deal or Warner Brothers deal did they give WTF? Bring this shit all over it. Is it coming?

• 22:35Speaker 04

  He won best actor in a musical or comedy for the Golden Globe.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  So.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  Okay, so fair enough. So he did win Golden Globe.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, best actor in musical comedy.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  Okay, so basically my point is that like they're starting to crown the next generation of superstars. So I don't even know if, and I think that's part of like what this, these award things are about, right? It's not like, okay, on, I don't want to be, I don't want to take away anybody's merits, but like, the industry has to be thinking, okay, we need to stay alive. We need to message to people out there in the world who the next crop of superstars are. So when we put $300 million into a movie like Dune, everybody goes out and sees it because this is the guy.

• 23:15Mark Gagnon?

  Got it.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Like Michael B.

• 23:16Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't think they were looking at it that way. I thought they're like, hey, let's get views up. Everybody loves a race war. And you like, just like prize fighting, like you make white guy versus black guy. People tune it.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's interesting.

• 23:29Mark Gagnon?

  I thought that's what they made this out to be.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I didn't, did you feel like race was a huge component going into this? I didn't think it was that.

• 23:36Mark Gagnon?

  With the BAFTA situation?

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, if it was Timmy who yelled it, then.

• 23:42Mark Gagnon?

  How do we know?

• 23:45Speaker 02

  What a fucking incident. Timmy sat next to him and then he was like, no, it was the guy with the red.

• 23:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, that would be Kyle.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's like, I don't know. I just feel like, I feel like kind of the, in a weird way, the industry got what it wanted. You know, like Michael B. is a legit star, superstar. He's gonna be the head of massive movies for the next fucking five, 10 years. And then Timmy is a huge superstar on his own.

• 24:12Mark Gagnon?

  Up and coming.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  Up and coming, sure, but he'll probably never do a podcast again. What's, what's interesting about this is that like this rollout that he had for Marty Supreme was the, what I think most people are like, this is phenomenal. You got awareness out for this movie.

• 24:29Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  For the most part, at least the first few months of it. It was like, he's white boy of the month, he's the coolest motherfucker, he knows everything.

• 24:35Mark Gagnon?

  At a certain point, I felt it was a little too much.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  So that's the thing, it was, for me, it was the Charlamagne moment. When Charlamagne was hating on him on Brilliant Idiots. Like, he was joking around, but it was about like the Kendrick thing, and I was like, oh, wow. This is the first moment I've noticed like what some people call overexposure.

• 24:50Mark Gagnon?

  Mm-hmm. Does he get compensated for going on, doing promo?

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Uh, it's part of the contract.

• 24:57Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's like, but he put the movie on his back. And the industry was basically looking at this movie going, if this movie doesn't do well, like if it doesn't crack like, you know, 60 million or 80 million or something like that, then like, we don't know if we can make movies that are about like obscure stories and no existing IP that nobody knows about.

• 25:15Mark Gagnon?

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:15Speaker 02

  That was the talk. And then it did 150, whatever it is, and they were like, okay, we're still alive. So there was this big sigh of relief in the industry.

• 25:22Mark Gagnon?

  But weren't they talking about the Leo movie the same way? They were like, hey, movies are done because this movie didn't do shit. And this Leo is supposed to have done stuff.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  I think they put Leo in a different category as Timmy. So they're basically going like, yeah, Leo should make a movie crack. And when it didn't, they were terrified. And then Timmy comes in with this movie that's maybe even more obscure.

• 25:43Mark Gagnon?

  So that was either gonna confirm it or give them some hope.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Now seeing the backlash from like this opera ballet comment, I wonder if execs are one gonna let him promote Doom like this?

• 25:57Mark Gagnon?

  Ooh.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  And I wonder if they're gonna let any of their big stars promote anything in this way.

• 26:04Mark Gagnon?

  Do you feel that the ballet comment even hurt the movie?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  No, I don't think it hurt the movie, but I think that they're, they're looking at like brands, and they're looking, protecting the brand, like a star is a brand.

• 26:16Mark Gagnon?

  Gotcha.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  And it's like, to what we were talking about on, on, on Brilliant, it's like...

• 26:22Speaker 02

  An actor, when we were growing up, you really knew nothing about actors. Like, I don't know anything about Michael B. Jordan, and that's a good thing. I don't know anything about Tom Hanks, right? Like, we don't know anything about these people. I don't know what type of food they like. I don't know if they speak other languages. I don't know where they vacation. I really know nothing about these people. And then they can become a character, and then they kind of are that character to us. Like, Tom Hanks is a little bit of Forrest Gump to me.

• 26:42Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  You know, like, and he gets to live up to that. He gets to become that. The more we know a character as a person, when we see him not live up to that, one, it's trickier, right? And then, well, one, it's trickier, and then it's almost like seeing an, like, an athlete in a movie that's not playing themselves.

• 27:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? Or like, seeing Ed Sheeran in Game of Thrones. You're like, ah, I love Ed, he's the best in the world. But like, in that moment, I was like, oh, we're watching a show, and I'm not just kind of like a voyeur in this.

• 27:12Mark Gagnon?

  It took me out of the world.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Yes. So, I wonder if, like, sharing so much of self, like, we live in this fucking share culture where everybody knows everything about everyone. And I wonder if the advantage of the actor, the lifetime actors, is us knowing nothing about them so they could just seamlessly become these people. Like, Denzel Washington, to me, knows Kung-Fu, like, do you know what I mean? Like, Keanu Reeves is a master at martial arts. He might not be.

• 27:42Mark Gagnon?

  When did Denzel do Kung-Fu?

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Uh, just in every movie where he can take away your gun or something like that.

• 27:46Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  No, but like, to me, I'm like, I think he could fuck somebody up. Like, I kind of believe it. You know? So it's, I wonder if, I wonder if the industry starts to go, okay, sharing your opinions with the world, it might be good for like a promotional pop initially, but the cost is every opinion you share is going to potentially rub somebody the wrong way who has a different opinion.

• 28:09Mark Gagnon?

  But then, at the same time, I feel a little sorry for the actors. Not sorry, but it's like, I understand them wanting to get their personality out there because, like, me, for example... Whatever actor, whatever your biggest role is, I just call you that. So it's like, like Keanu's forever just Neo to me.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  You know, so it's like, imagine having to be a famous actor and then people are just like,

• 28:31Mark Gagnon?

  calling you the character name when you pass by. That shit would be, that would piss me off.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  This is the, the great advantage that like standup comedians have. Like if you like us for our comedy, that's who we are.

• 28:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  Especially if you're not like playing a character.

• 28:44Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  So it's like, if you like me for the things I say, I feel really validated when you go, hey, I love your stuff.

• 28:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  And I, I wonder sometimes with actors, when somebody loves them, I wonder if, if in their head, they're going, you don't know anything about me. You love, you love Neo from The Matrix. Like you don't love me. You love his character that this other person wrote. And I wonder if there's that little gap there. And some of them don't have an ego. Like I don't think Keanu has any fucking ego at all. It's like one of the most likeable things about him. But I wonder if some of them are like annoyed. They're like, I, I got in entertainment because I want, you know, a validation from people and I want people to love me. And they don't actually love me.

• 29:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  They love these things.

• 29:26Mark Gagnon?

  That gotta be a little annoying. But then you could just look at your bank account and your lifestyle and be like, ah, you know what, I'll deal with it.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  Some of them, yeah. And I wonder if others are like, no, I gotta, I wanna write my own thing. So you know, so I'm getting the validation for what I've created.

• 29:40Mark Gagnon?

  So now I have to ask you because now you're going the opposite direction. You're going from podcasting comedy where everybody knows you.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:49Mark Gagnon?

  And now you're transitioning into Hollywood. So it's like, the veil's already down.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  So it's like.

• 29:56Mark Gagnon?

  Is that gonna hurt you? Help you?

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 29:58Mark Gagnon?

  Are you gonna stop maybe showing yourself? Like, do you have to restrict yourself?

• 30:03Speaker 02

  I like, there's certain things that I probably, like, I don't really share much of my family. Like if I am talking about my family, like the whole fucking last special.

• 30:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  It, it's like, it's in a version I feel like safe. Like I didn't feel comfortable telling a joke about Shiloh until Lincoln.

• 30:20Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  I was so, it was so hard for us to get pregnant. I was so like superstitious. I was like, God forbid I tell a joke. And this is silly to think, but like in my head, I'm like, is God gonna smite me? Like I'm saying one joke about this baby that we shouldn't have even had and then.

• 30:33Mark Gagnon?

  I got a sense of humor, bro.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  I know. It's stupid. I completely irrational thinking. I'm aware of it. But I was so superstitious, you know? And, um, but I do think that like. I think the roles, for example, that I've been offered and been able to do are roles that are not that dissimilar from who I am.

• 30:52Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Right? Like, nobody's really asked me to act yet.

• 30:56Mark Gagnon?

  Got you. But do you want to? Do you want to get the role that forces you to Daniel Day-Lewis yourself?

• 31:02Speaker 02

  No, I don't want to. I don't need to be my left foot.

• 31:04Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Nah, like, I would like to, like, for me, what's exciting is, like, you know, obviously, learning acting, learning how to be on set, learning how to tell stories, and like, learning what is good and what to avoid, and like, getting more comfortable with it, but also, I would like to, like, write or be part of writing and creating something. And then, like, if that creation is supported, I'll feel validated by that.

• 31:26Mark Gagnon?

  Got you. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  But I think just like, being a character that's nothing-

• 31:31Mark Gagnon?

  Podcast is safe, guys.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, being a character that is nothing like me, you know, it's a, I don't know, maybe there'd be something nice to like, you know, exist outside of yourself a bit. But, yeah, I wonder if you get jealous of your creation. Like, I wonder if that happens to people.

• 31:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. That, I can't see it not happening. That would piss me off. Yeah.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Like, what if you had, what if the thing you were most known for in the entire world, was this something that would, like, I wonder this with, like, Steve Urkel.

• 32:05Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm. Oh, yeah.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Are you, are you trapped by it?

• 32:07Mark Gagnon?

  Like, you just called him-

• 32:08Speaker 04

  He hasn't worn shows.

• 32:09Mark Gagnon?

  You just called him Steve Urkel.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, like, and, and the dude is-

• 32:14Mark Gagnon?

  Jaleel Way?

• 32:14Speaker 02

  Jaleel is not like Steve Urkel at all.

• 32:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Like, Jaleel's like this cool, swaggy dude. He played that character because he's a really fucking strong actor that can do it. But is there a version where he's like, "I need to show I'm not that. I need to demonstrate that that's not who I am, because that's who the world will see you as."

• 32:31Speaker 04

  That's what, like, kid stars do. Like, Disney actors go through, like, their Disney stage, and then they'll do something that's like overtly sort of sexualized, or something that breaks them out of, like, the kid version of who they were.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  That happens a lot with, like, children actors.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  That's why I think sometimes actors do, like, a movie where they're ugly.

• 32:47Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, for sure. This is Jacob Elordi in Frankenstein.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Jacob Elordi in Frankenstein, or like Sidney Sweeney-

• 32:52Speaker 04

  He's got to prove he's not just 6'3" and hot.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  When Sidney Sweeney was in the movie where she was the female boxer.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Oh, uh-

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Uh, Chrissy.

• 32:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, Chrissy.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  And it's like, it's like, okay, I'm known for being this beautiful human being.

• 33:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  And a great actor, but maybe there's this part of your head where you're like, am I just known for being hot? I gotta play some ugly shit to show that my acting can carry.

• 33:17Mark Gagnon?

  And then when it backfires.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  You're like, I gotta be a hot chick. I'm the Handmaid.

• 33:22Mark Gagnon?

  That shit backfired so much, nobody watched that shit. And then she follows it up where, hey, I'm the hot girl that the husband cheats on me with. And boom, that movie goes box.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  You know what's crazy? That movie did 400 million, right? That movie did 400 million and it's women that supported it.

• 33:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, cuz they hoes too.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  Women like beautiful women with tits. No, but like the idea, I think for a lot of people was like, oh yeah, put her in like a skinny little outfit and like show it off. And then guys are gonna show up. No, that's a book women read.

• 33:54Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 33:54Speaker 02

  If women read one of those books.

• 33:57Mark Gagnon?

  It's out of here. Oh, but they like that smut book shit.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  If, son, if I, if I was a movie studio.

• 34:03Mark Gagnon?

  I got into it for a little bit. I was like, oh, these are.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  What'd you read?

• 34:06Mark Gagnon?

  Ah, fuck, one of the ones.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  Fourth Wing?

• 34:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in, I was in, I was watching.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  You know, that's gonna be a movie that's a billion dollar franchise.

• 34:13Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, absolutely. I'm tuning, I'm buying early tickets.

• 34:15Speaker 02

  What is the, what is the premise? Because my wife was reading it. She started to talk to me about it.

• 34:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  And it was like, there's dragons in it and whatever.

• 34:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like dragons, fairies.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  You're not gonna make fun of me for watching sci-fi ever again. You know what I mean? If you're watching, if you're watching Girl Game of Thrones, like, yeah. So what's the premise of it?

• 34:33Mark Gagnon?

  I honestly, Miles, you could probably do a better job than me cuz. I don't know, Fourth Wing? I never read Fourth Wing.

• 34:40Speaker 02

  It was so, it was a bit. I don't read that gay shit, bro.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  A nerd sci-fi.

• 34:45Mark Gagnon?

  He's like, I don't read the gay shit. I just hang out with the gay shit.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yaros is the first book in the Empyrean series. A popular fantasy romance novel about Violet Sorin Gale, who was forced to join a brutal war college for dragon riders despite her fragile body facing deadly challenges and ruthless wing leader Zayden Riorson, who is also her enemy. The book is known for its romantacy. Oh, that's what they're calling smut.

• 35:11Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow. And so, yeah, the dragons are supposed to choose you. And then apparently she's just some weakling, but she's special and somehow two dragons end up choosing her. So she's the only girl who got two dragons and then she's.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  Miles, this is feeling Game of Thrones-y, Miles.

• 35:27Mark Gagnon?

  I might check it out. I might have to. No, no, it's good. It's good. A lot of smut shit.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Anyway, if I was a studio, I'm buying up every novel that women read. And I'm buying up every video game. You probably can't even afford them now, but I'm buying every video game.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  Well, this is like that post Harry Potter thing.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 35:44Speaker 04

  Harry Potter comes out, it's a sensation, crazy sensation. And then they do every book after that has like a young, like teen, who's like going through the world and has something similar to that. You had Aragon, you had, the Katniss one where Hunger Games.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  Hunger Games, yeah.

• 36:01Speaker 04

  I mean, even all the way to,

• 36:05Speaker 04

  the vampire one where the guy sparkles.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  Twilight?

• 36:07Speaker 04

  Twilight. Like, that's all post Harry Potter.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  Derivative of Harry Potter.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  Trying to make their next one.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  You know, my, my wife told me that, uh, there was a line at Barnes and Noble. When the new Harry Potter would drop.

• 36:18Speaker 04

  I used to wait in those at midnight.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Like, that's how popping, think about this. That's how popping a book with, can you remember a line at Barnes and Noble?

• 36:27Mark Gagnon?

  No. The only ones I saw were Sneaker Drops.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  We, it was Sneaker Drops. It would be like, uh, remember sometimes a movie would come out on Thursdays?

• 36:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Like a big, and then I would, it would be late, it'd be like midnight Thursday, you would see a movie theater crazy. I haven't seen a line at a movie theater in a minute. That's another thing.

• 36:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Like, remember on 14th Street, there was like a Union Square, did you ever go to that?

• 36:50Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  And there'd be like a line down a block.

• 36:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. And then, uh, back in now, I'm aging myself, but, uh, when a new CD would drop.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Oh, hell, yeah.

• 36:59Mark Gagnon?

  Some guy like would wait for.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Tower Records?

• 37:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause there was only a few spots to get them, so.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wonder, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to think. That is the one issue with the consumption, not one issue, but like that's the issue with consumption online. Like, watching things streaming, it's not only, it's, I don't even care being in the movie theater, watch something with somebody else. But, in the same way that like when you go to a theme park, the line waiting to get on to the ride. There's like some, like there's energy and excitement in that line. That's kind of what I felt a little bit like going to a movie.

• 37:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  You know, especially a big drop, you know, like everybody.

• 37:36Mark Gagnon?

  It doesn't seem like you go to movies anymore.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Nah, bro. I have, I mean, I think the last one I saw was, uh, Wicked One.

• 37:42Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  Was there another one since?

• 37:44Mark Gagnon?

  Wow. Yeah, the Wicked Two came out.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  I didn't see that one, I don't think.

• 37:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. I still go to movies. I like movies.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  What was the last one you saw?

• 37:51Mark Gagnon?

  Um, oh, I saw Marty Supreme in theaters. Uh, I think there was something else I saw recently. Oh, I saw Wicked Two. Yeah, I think those are the last two. Yeah.

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• 39:15Mark Gagnon?

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• 41:50Speaker 02

  Are you gonna see doom? Yeah. I'm excited for doing. When is doing come out Joey? November 18th.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  What? Oh, we got.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  I got tickets to Project Hymn here already.

• 42:02Mark Gagnon?

  Why are they putting the trailer now?

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Oh, cuz. Gotta build the hype. I imagine they thought Timmy was gonna win, uh.

• 42:08Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, fuck.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, they had that shit ready to drop.

• 42:11Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, Timmy, you fucked it up, bro.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  Nah, that's not Timmy.

• 42:15Mark Gagnon?

  You fucked it up, Timmy. Yo, you dropped a bag, bro.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Here's a question. If he never says anything about ballet or opera. No. Or can we put on our little conspiracy hats? Okay? Cuz the craziest conspiracy is obviously like, you know, some, uh, publicist or whatever was trying to bury his name leading up to this campaign, right? A publicist that obviously represented either Michael B. or maybe one of the other people there, right? That's the most crazy. That's the.

• 42:43Mark Gagnon?

  The charlatan there.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:45Mark Gagnon?

  He started that shit and ended that red with it.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  People are gonna do that right now. Like, as I'm talking, I feel like one of the New York Times journalists, I have to be very delicate with how I say it. But like, he goes, uh, so, so here's the thing. I don't think anybody, I don't think anybody is going, "Oh, let's snip that and put that out in the world and make Timmy look bad." Because I don't think there's anybody at a publicist's office that could possibly think people could give a fuck about ballet or opera. Like, definitely opera. None of y'all even know where an opera house is.

• 43:18Mark Gagnon?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  None of y'all can name a song in opera. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, so ballet, maybe a little bit more. So, but there is a thing, when something does gain traction, can you juice it?

• 43:32Mark Gagnon?

  I think.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  Can you gas it?

• 43:33Mark Gagnon?

  They just saw the moment. Like, if you look how.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Who is they? Who is they?

• 43:37Mark Gagnon?

  The producers of that interview. They saw that moment, how uncomfortable he was.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  You think they released it?

• 43:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, and I don't even think with the intention of like, "Oh, let's harm him." They're just like, "Oh, this is gonna be a good clip."

• 43:51Speaker 02

  Which interview are we talking about?

• 43:52Mark Gagnon?

  With, uh, McConaughey.

• 43:55Mark Gagnon?

  You see how uncomfortable uh, Shalman gets immediately. He's like, oh, fuck, I just uh, 14 cents, I just lost on viewership. And then now he's like, then he tries to sing some opera to try to like, you know, get back in their good graces. Like, he knows it's an uncomfortable moment. And they're like, oh, this is a clip right here. Who would not make that?

• 44:14Speaker 02

  If they put out that clip themselves, that's nasty.

• 44:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's a variety, uh, variety. They put the clip out.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  That's nasty work. I didn't know they released the clip themselves and they put out the interview?

• 44:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 44:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, if I'm a star of a movie.

• 44:31Mark Gagnon?

  But I don't think they thought it was gonna go get this best.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  Well, what they think it was gonna do is gonna win them the Oscar? There's no way, right?

• 44:39Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, they're just like, yo, we need these views. We need these clicks.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Oh, you already got McConaughey and Timmy. They agreed to do this. Neither of them are making any money.

• 44:48Mark Gagnon?

  Clicks, man, come on. Y'all love to take my worst moments.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  But is that, yeah, is that the internet now?

• 44:57Mark Gagnon?

  Did we ever tell the people the, uh, the commercial we shot? How you took my, the one line I fucked up?

• 45:04Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 45:06Mark Gagnon?

  Can you tell them?

• 45:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have, we have that, you have the, the Kraken, the commercial that we did for the holidays? And, uh, what's the line you're supposed to say?

• 45:15Mark Gagnon?

  I was like, uh,

• 45:17Speaker 02

  You want me to play the fiddle?

• 45:18Mark Gagnon?

  You want me to play the fiddle, boss?

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you want me to play the fiddle, boss, right? Al says it right like five or six times.

• 45:24Mark Gagnon?

  Mad times.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  And then one time he goes, he goes, you want me to play the flute horn too? And I was like, this is the funniest thing that Al could possibly say. And, uh, I was, I was shocked. It made sense in the edit.

• 45:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, no one called it out.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Nobody. It looked like we wrote it.

• 45:44Mark Gagnon?

  Acting. See, I'm just saying, sometimes a star is right here.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  I think the problem with the way that we act when we shoot sketches is like, not a single line that was written is what we said.

• 46:00Mark Gagnon?

  What you mean?

• 46:00Speaker 02

  Like, I got a lot of respect for people who just like write a show and if you just say those lines, it's gonna be funny and great.

• 46:07Mark Gagnon?

  Sorry.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  Oh shit. Damn. Uh, oh yeah, you got it? Alright, go.

• 46:12Mark Gagnon?

  There. You want me to play the flute horn?

• 46:14Speaker 02

  The flute horn out? I spent forty-eight hundred dollars on this gift, Al.

• 46:19Speaker 00

  It's so good, cuz you break, you almost break it.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  I almost break it, cuz right there, go play it again, play it again.

• 46:25Speaker 00

  Enjoy. Ride a horse. Pick some berries.

• 46:27Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, picking. Like, what else do they do there? You want me to play the flute horn?

• 46:31Speaker 02

  The flute horn out? I spent forty-eight hundred dollars on this gift, Al.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  And it, uh, it gets such a big laugh in the room, I was like, oh fuck, this is gonna be the one. This is gonna be the one.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  That's standard.

• 46:49Speaker 04

  But that's how all great things are shot. Like, if you, I think there's a famous scene where a guy breaks his leg in Hot Rod, and he's jump, doing a jump and he lands it like a hundred times, then in the final one he falls, breaks his leg, and they go, we're gonna use one where he breaks his leg and falls. And like, all great, like The Office or like 30 Rock, there's so many cutscenes where they have to move the camera cuz someone's laughing. It's so much better.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Bro, you know who has some bangers? Uh, what's the guy's name, man? I can't believe I'm forgetting his name. The actor from The Office, uh, he's also Guardians of the Galaxy.

• 47:21Speaker 04

  Oh, Chris Pratt.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  Chris Pratt.

• 47:22Speaker 04

  He's in, uh, 30 Rock. Parks and Rec.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  No, Parks and Rec, sorry, not the, uh, yo.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  He's got the best ones.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Uh, may, bring up some of his shit from Parks and Rec, cuz.

• 47:33Speaker 04

  I keep wiping, and it just is there. That's the one where Aubrey, Aubrey Plaza breaks. And they have to move the camera and she looks away.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Dude, there was a, there was a Key and Peele sketch where it was like a rap battle or something, I don't know, uh, did you see this one?

• 47:47Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  There's a Key.

• 47:48Mark Gagnon?

  I've probably seen it, but.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  There's a Key and Peele sketch where they have people watching in the back, right? And what they're doing to one another, I don't know if you can bring it up, Joey?

• 47:58Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  But, uh. What they're doing to one another, the battle, whatever it is. It's so funny that they tell the extras, if you have to laugh, turn around. Watching it again, knowing that, it's so funny.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  Cause so many.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  Just look at the people in the background, they're out of nowhere, just like, yeah.

• 48:20Speaker 00

  See if you can get that sketch. Let's see this. Yeah, watch, watch some of Chris's.

• 48:24Mark Gagnon?

  Was Chris Pratt comedian?

• 48:26Speaker 02

  I think he did stand up a couple of times. He said that, I think, to Bill Maher. And then he, then he did mostly comedic acting, but this guy is good. All right, go.

• 48:34Mark Gagnon?

  Are you aware of what Tennessee is?

• 48:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:37Mark Gagnon?

  What point comes after juice?

• 48:38Speaker 03

  Wipe.

• 48:42Speaker 00

  It's hilarious, bro.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  I did not know he's as funny.

• 48:45Mark Gagnon?

  I have hot snakes. Hot snakes. It's when the diarrhea comes out like a hot snake. Andy.

• 48:53Mark Gagnon?

  I'll wipe, and I'll wipe, and I'll wipe, and I'll wipe a hundred times. Still poop, still poop.

• 49:02Mark Gagnon?

  It's like I'm wiping a marker or something.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Pause it, pause it, pause it.

• 49:08Speaker 00

  He's great.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  Ah, Chris Pratt is that dude, man.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  He's so funny.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:13Speaker 04

  There's so many good shows that just I can watch the bloopers. A TikTok will come up and it'll be the bloopers and I'll just be like, all right, five minutes of this, here we go.

• 49:19Mark Gagnon?

  Is he the one in that weird ass religion?

• 49:21Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 49:23Mark Gagnon?

  I thought he got in trouble for being in a weird religion.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  No, he just got in trouble for believing in God.

• 49:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, he just is ten toes down on Christianity.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  He's like, I'm a Christian. And they're like, you fucking animal.

• 49:33Mark Gagnon?

  Why are we hating on Chris?

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Listen, we're in a, what are we in? I don't even know what to call it. Cause you don't really, you don't get fired, but we are in like outrage. We're just again in outrage culture where it's just like, everybody's angry at everything.

• 49:50Mark Gagnon?

  But usually that means things are good.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Explain that, that's an interesting take.

• 49:54Mark Gagnon?

  When things are good, it's like you have to search for stuff to be outraged about. Usually that's a good sign.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Yo, that's a great point. We're in things are horrible and outraged culture. That's why this shit is too exhausting. It's like, there's enough shit to actually be outraged by. You don't gotta be upset about opera, but right now we're upset at war and opera with the same level of vitriol.

• 50:19Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I can't take it. I'm damn near about to slit my wrist every other day.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  You just got tattooed. You know what I mean? You gonna cut, you gonna, hold on, you gonna kill Martin again?

• 50:33Speaker 02

  You can't kill Martin Luther King twice, Al. No, don't let the white people win.

• 50:39Mark Gagnon?

  I'm gonna give him a lineup.

• 50:43Mark Gagnon?

  Nice lineup, he's no getting shit right.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  Al got black leaders on his wrist just so he doesn't kill himself. That's how much I was trying to make it through the next day.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  Who you getting on that left forearm, bro?

• 50:57Mark Gagnon?

  Ah, God, the Hitler so I can finish the job.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  Come on, Al!

• 51:01Mark Gagnon?

  Jokes!

• 51:03Speaker 02

  No, he was on the right side of history right there.

• 51:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, right? See, finish the job. There we go.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  Alright, play this key and feel joint. This shit cracked me the fuck up.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Pause. How do you make a show that's just bloopers?

• 51:27Speaker 04

  I mean, America's Funny Some videos?

• 51:28Speaker 02

  No, no, I mean like, like, how do you make a scripted show?

• 51:33Speaker 04

  I think, I think you can't, because the bloopers are what you're watching because they did it right for so long. You need them, you need a show to be beloved for 10 seasons to get great bloopers out of it.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  I don't need, I, I don't know if that's the case, because like even at the end of movies when we were kids, there'd be like the blooper reel.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  That's two hours of commitment to the characters.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Sure, sure, sure, but like-

• 51:53Speaker 04

  Eight episodes of anything else.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  There is something funny to inherently, about seeing like, you even watch an SNL sketch and when someone breaks.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  It's funnier than the point of the sketch.

• 52:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  And it's just like, maybe we're craving like real authentic moments. Like somebody was, somebody was asking me this the other day, they're like, do you, do you laugh at standup? And I'm like, yeah, like, I'm like a, a laugher. I like to, like, if something's funny, I'd like to give it up. But like, I, I do also like, think about it when I'm watching somebody funny. I'm like, ooh, that's a good bit. Or like that, like, I'll, it's like an analysis so much. But when something happens- That's not supposed to happen. I fucking die.

• 52:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  I like.

• 52:33Mark Gagnon?

  Same, same here.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  Cranks get me, because the other person is authentically reacting in that room.

• 52:40Mark Gagnon?

  You know.

• 52:43Mark Gagnon?

  I just love the thing that comics do. When you guys are in the room watching other comics, you guys just laugh incredibly loud. Like, like, out of support. Ha ha!

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:52Mark Gagnon?

  Like, why do you? Ha! Why do you do that?

• 52:55Speaker 02

  I don't know, maybe it's just like.

• 52:57Mark Gagnon?

  It's like one of these unwritten rules that you all do this shit.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  Like when a baseball player tips the hat or something like that. It's, I think it's, uh, yeah, I do know what you're talking about.

• 53:05Mark Gagnon?

  Like, they all do this shit.

• 53:06Speaker 04

  You're trying to build the room a little bit.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  Not even, no. It's more, I think it's more just a message to the comedian, like, oh, that was a good joke.

• 53:14Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Like, oh, you popped us?

• 53:16Mark Gagnon?

  Ah, okay, okay.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  That was fire.

• 53:18Mark Gagnon?

  Do you like when you hear the comic that laughs a little laugh?

• 53:21Speaker 02

  Always validating when you hear your peers laugh.

• 53:24Mark Gagnon?

  Got you, okay, alright, so that's why you do it. That's what I should, that shit is so funny to me. Like, they'll be in the corner just like, ha ha!

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Does throw some shit off. On a some level, there is probably like an attention-seeking nature to it, you know? But like, I think the, the main core of it is like, hey, that was an awesome joke and I would like you to know that I know that.

• 53:44Mark Gagnon?

  Got you.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  Which is great, it's like, we ever hear like a director talk about another director? Like favorably?

• 53:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Or like even a musician talk about another musician, you're just like, you imagine what that other musician or director is feeling in that moment. You're like, oh, he's got a lot. Quentin Tarantino is just saying how incredible this person is.

• 54:03Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, if you get in love from your peers, that's, yeah, yeah.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:06Mark Gagnon?

  That's dope. That is fire.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen in the world, man, so you've been stressed?

• 54:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but it's a lot to do with the seasonal depression. I get that every winter. And I think, uh.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Are you out of it now that we had some good days?

• 54:21Mark Gagnon?

  Towards the tail end, but it's still, whatever.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  You know what's gotta suck? When people are depressed in the winter and then like the summer comes and they're still depressed. And they're just like, oh, I got that shit all season.

• 54:36Mark Gagnon?

  Is that what you got?

• 54:36Speaker 02

  Nah, but like, but like that feeling, you know what I mean? Like where you think, oh, it's just winter, the second some sun comes out and that sun's hitting you, just like, I still wanna jump off this building and feel the sun coming down.

• 54:49Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, yeah, that's what I feel is like real pussy shit that, nah, it's like.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  It's not pussy.

• 54:53Mark Gagnon?

  It's, I look at the shit as like really like, you know, my girl gives me no sympathy at all.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Oh, you're at that stage?

• 55:02Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, she's like.

• 55:03Speaker 02

  Welcome, my boy.

• 55:04Mark Gagnon?

  This is some thing you just tell yourself.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  You are married, bro. You wait till they have a kid to take care of. You can't be tired again.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Women own exhaustion once you have a kid.

• 55:14Mark Gagnon?

  When I used to get sick, she used to take care of me. She's like, oh, let me know when you're feeling better. I'm like, the fuck?

• 55:20Speaker 02

  My wife gives me one hour.

• 55:21Mark Gagnon?

  Where's the soup or something, yo?

• 55:22Speaker 02

  My wife is an amazing woman. She's incredibly supportive, incredible. She, I cannot be sick for more than one hour. To the point where, and I like making sounds, like when I'm hungry, you'll hear me talk about it. When I'm sick, you're gonna hear me talk about it. And she got like one hour of tolerance for that and after that, she just ignores me. When I'm making sounds in front of you, I want you to react to those sounds. Like I'm like, oh, I want you to be like, is your stomach okay? She'll just go the other way.

• 55:49Mark Gagnon?

  That's crazy. She is not. Oh, she, yeah, so as long as she not there yet, she'll still react to the sound.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  She thinks I'm being a pussy. She's like, man up. She's like, I haven't slept in three years.

• 55:58Mark Gagnon?

  She's been calling me that all winter.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  She just says you're a pussy straight up?

• 56:02Mark Gagnon?

  Not straight up. Not straight up.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  That's violation.

• 56:04Mark Gagnon?

  I was talking about it and, well, I was talking, it was me, her and one of my friends. And I was like discussing it and she just eye rolls.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  Son, they do that.

• 56:13Mark Gagnon?

  She, he was like. And he pointed it out, he's like, what she did, she's like, you know, it's a New York thing. I'm like, what the fuck is on a New York thing?

• 56:22Speaker 02

  That's how you know she's white, bro. Cause if she was,

• 56:25Mark Gagnon?

  From Spain, a very sun, you know, culture.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  Nah, you're white, bro.

• 56:32Mark Gagnon?

  They don't suffer from low vitamin D.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  If she was, if she was a Spanish Latina, she would be cooking you fucking a roast compollo. She'd be trying to nurse you back to health.

• 56:42Mark Gagnon?

  She should be trying to get me fat right now.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Your mom would never.

• 56:46Mark Gagnon?

  That's true. That's why I haven't told my mom, cause my mom would have, she would have damn near moved in.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Really?

• 56:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  She's like that?

• 56:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, she's a nice.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  Move her back to New York for a little bit, man.

• 56:56Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, she's taking care of my, I have another nephew. I got, I got two now.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  What's the second one named?

• 57:03Mark Gagnon?

  Alexander.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  After you?

• 57:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  But you're not even really Alexander.

• 57:07Mark Gagnon?

  Why you gotta, why you gotta kill it?

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Hold on.

• 57:09Mark Gagnon?

  Why you gotta kill it?

• 57:11Speaker 02

  Hold on. Your sister named her kid after your stage name?

• 57:20Mark Gagnon?

  Why can't it just be after me?

• 57:22Speaker 02

  That's like naming somebody's kid Eminem.

• 57:26Mark Gagnon?

  That would be fine.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  No, it wouldn't. Marshall, you go with the real name. Do people know your real name?

• 57:34Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna say it because I know it's something you're embarrassed of.

• 57:36Mark Gagnon?

  No, I'm not embarrassed about it. I just like to keep the separation. It's no embarrassment.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  So, did she ask you, hey, do you want me to name it after your real name or your stage name?

• 57:46Mark Gagnon?

  No. She was like, thinking about several names. I threw Alexander out there. Well, I threw Alex with two X's out there. And she was, she wouldn't do the two X's. I'm still trying to be like, it's still early enough, you can change it, but. Yeah, so she compromised. She gave me Alexander.

• 58:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 58:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know, it's fire.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  And how did her husband feel about this?

• 58:05Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, so he's British and they do like long names. So it's like, he got two of his names in the whole shit. It's like Alexander Montague James something, da, da, da, da, da. He's like five or six names in it.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  You threw a Montague in there?

• 58:20Mark Gagnon?

  I think so. I don't know if she wants me to tell all this.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Now, Montague is Shakespeare, my boy, that's.

• 58:26Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, it's, he has a fire name. It's a nice, strong name.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Can somebody tell me?

• 58:29Mark Gagnon?

  It's like royalty.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  The Montagues and the Capulets. Jesus, Alex, we were so close of just moving on. Don't put.

• 58:38Mark Gagnon?

  Don't Royals fuck kids? Ain't that what they're known for now?

• 58:41Speaker 02

  There is a royal.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  I mean historically probably. Or they fuck cousins. That they do. There you go. 100%. So. That. So they're from Alabama. Yeah, that that gene pool is a kiddie pool.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  It's a retarded kiddie pool. That gene pool is just the shallow end.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  But like, alright, what are you supposed to do if you were royal back in the day? Right? Yeah. And marriage got nothing to do with if you love someone or not. Okay. It's just, I would imagine, and you know, obviously you guys, you know, tap in here. It, I imagine it's just about consolidating power. Yeah. Right? It's like, we gotta have another kid because if I don't have a kid, which is crazy pressure. Hmm. If I don't have a kid, a man. Yeah, boy. A boy. Yeah. This whole kingdom goes to somebody else. Okay. Wild pressure. You could see why that king cut the wife's head off. Oh, Henry? Yes.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Give me a boy!

• 59:53Speaker 02

  There's a boy in there? No, um, but yeah, like that, that insane pressure, you gotta have a fucking boy. You're just ma- and then you're marrying somebody who's either like, I don't even know if they could marry nobility. They gotta marry another royal? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So how many kingdoms are there even in Europe? You got six different families that you can even choose somebody from. Yeah, so eventually they're all kind of related at some point, right? Yeah. That was the thing I think about World War I. Like, it was just a bunch of cousins at war with each other. That's crazy. Right? Yeah. And you couldn't have just worked that out. People, yo, rich people. Family, yeah. Shit, dude. They, that's what, that's what I've also figured out that like, you know how rich people like, don't pay taxes? Who, you? No, I paid, I paid too much. No, well, you ain't rich enough then.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  I, I know. Yes, I know this. But you know how they, they don't pay taxes? Yeah. And how annoying that is? That's what it feels like when skinny people take Ozempic.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  Right? It's that same feeling. It's like you already got it, dude. Like, you fucking got it already. Why do you need to go more with it?

• 1:00:57Mark Gagnon?

  But then the thing, it's like, they end up taking too much and then they look fucking horrible. Yeah, so now I'm like, go do it.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  What are your thoughts on the Ozempic thing? You're someone who's fluctuated in weight. You're always...

• 1:01:09Mark Gagnon?

  I got close to it. I got close to taking it if I couldn't get my weight down. Because remember, I had, uh, what's it called? High blood sugar. Yeah.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  Wait, wait. So you would have a medical reason to do it?

• 1:01:21Mark Gagnon?

  No, no. So October 2024, I was prediabetic. I got a physical, I was prediabetic. So...

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  No way.

• 1:01:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, so my doctor put me on Metformin.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:32Mark Gagnon?

  And then I cut out all sugar. I went on like a super keto diet. I dropped like almost 30 pounds in about four months. But if I wasn't able to lose it and get my sugar on track, I would have did, I would have did the shit.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  I didn't know that you were, do you eat that much sugar?

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  You've seen me.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you're so diligent about your diet usually, that like, you can't control yourself.

• 1:01:53Mark Gagnon?

  But then I go off and then it's, yeah, and then it goes crazy.

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  Whoa!

• 1:01:56Mark Gagnon?

  So now it has to be all or nothing.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  Well...

• 1:01:59Mark Gagnon?

  So I just don't do any sugar.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  It doesn't have to be all or nothing. It has to be nothing.

• 1:02:03Mark Gagnon?

  It has to be nothing. That's what I mean.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  Because if it's all, you're gonna lose a foot.

• 1:02:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yes. So now it's just nothing.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Mark Gagnon?

  I can, every time it's somebody's birthday, I don't indulge.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  I need to understand your relationship.

• 1:02:14Speaker 04

  Speaking of, your birthday is tomorrow.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:17Mark Gagnon?

  Why you a snitch?

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  How old are you gonna be?

• 1:02:19Mark Gagnon?

  35.

• 1:02:20Speaker 04

  My ass. You've been 35 for four years.

• 1:02:23Mark Gagnon?

  Say, that's...

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  No, what are you, what are you really turning?

• 1:02:26Mark Gagnon?

  39.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  This is the worst birthday. 40 is liberating.

• 1:02:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, 30 was liberating.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  40, you're the youngest old.

• 1:02:35Mark Gagnon?

  Ah.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  You're the oldest young. You're the oldest young right now.

• 1:02:41Mark Gagnon?

  I still look good from age, though.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  Nobody's questioning that. You're on Metformin, you have Metformin.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  You're cheating.

• 1:02:48Mark Gagnon?

  Not now, I'm actually, I got my shit going on track, so I'm off of everything.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  And you're not just continuing it?

• 1:02:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  Oh, I've been taking a fucking statin every single day, I have no clue what it really does, yeah.

• 1:02:57Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, but that's for your heart, that's different.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  What is it, what's up with my heart?

• 1:02:59Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, you were probably calcifying some arteries.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  Son, I thought calcium was good until like two years ago. My whole childhood was like, oh, you need to get your calcium, you need to get your calcium.

• 1:03:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they told us.

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  And I had so much of it that my heart is a fucking stone.

• 1:03:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  So I had to get on this statin.

• 1:03:14Mark Gagnon?

  I used to drink milk with like meals, I was one of those families.

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:03:19Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  I would have milk like after exercise, I'd be like, and then drink milk. What an insane thing to do right now.

• 1:03:26Mark Gagnon?

  I know.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  If I have cereal, dude, this is how old I am, if I have cereal, I have to be delicate with the amount of milk.

• 1:03:34Mark Gagnon?

  Why?

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Because I just won't be able to walk for the rest of the day. I'll just feel stomach pains for that entire day. I, I used to put a whole bowl of milk in this.

• 1:03:46Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  I want milk last.

• 1:03:48Speaker 04

  You want the milk after.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  I want milk after, I might want to put the more cereal in there, let's soak that shit.

• 1:03:52Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, I run it back like a good two times.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:03:56Mark Gagnon?

  Then you gotta do the balance of a little more shit cereal, a little more milk.

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  I got a third of milk in there.

• 1:04:01Mark Gagnon?

  Your milk got too warm, you gotta have more.

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  You gotta have more, you can have more milk. I got a third of milk in there, and then I'm mashing the cereal into the bottom of the bowl.

• 1:04:09Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, now that's crazy.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  So each bite can get a little bit of milk.

• 1:04:12Mark Gagnon?

  That's crazy.

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's too bad I'm not being able to walk for a day, because I had a bowl of cereal at 42 years old.

• 1:04:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  And nobody told you this.

• 1:04:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I can't do cereal anymore, dude.

• 1:04:22Speaker 04

  Oh, the best part is when you get the end of the cereal bag, if you're doing something sweet.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Oh, and it's just the crumbles?

• 1:04:27Speaker 04

  It's the sugar at the end, and that last sip of milk is.

• 1:04:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 1:04:31Mark Gagnon?

  Good old days.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  You guys are talking about my drug of choice there.

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  It's cereal, right?

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  Cereal's my biggest drug, like I could give up drinking tomorrow.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  What you got in the cabinet right now?

• 1:04:40Speaker 04

  I got it all, dude, I got healthy shit, I got bad shit.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  No, no, give me the whole cabinet, right now.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  The unhealthy stuff is gonna be.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Start with healthy.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  Oh, start with healthy?

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  Uh, Special K, Red Berries.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  Okay, hold on one second, because that's what I have.

• 1:04:55Speaker 04

  I heard it's not that healthy.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  That's why I want to talk about it. I'm so passionate. The, the special K, when we were kids.

• 1:05:04Mark Gagnon?

  We thought we were like eating salad.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  It was salad.

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  And it was a different color, different texture. I think it had less sugar on it. Like, they turned special K into frosted flakes.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  Without telling us. Do you remember when it tasted like a kid, when we were kids?

• 1:05:22Mark Gagnon?

  No, I wasn't doing special K. I was doing all the bad ones.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Son.

• 1:05:25Mark Gagnon?

  That was cinnamon toast crunch.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  I have that in the house.

• 1:05:28Mark Gagnon?

  That was the Reese's one.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Cinnamon toast crunch is why people have strokes. 100%. That's why people have stroke. Or cookie crisp?

• 1:05:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:37Mark Gagnon?

  I wasn't a big fan of that one.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  Just the idea that you would eat a bowl of cookie. What the fuck does some like refugee from Russia think when they show up to America and they're in somebody's house and there's just a bowl of little cookies with cereal poured on it?

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  This is breakfast every morning. Yeah.

• 1:05:56Mark Gagnon?

  No, I would do the, uh, raisin bran crunch. So it was like raisin bran was supposed to be the healthy one.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  Of course, of course, of course.

• 1:06:03Mark Gagnon?

  And then they're like nah.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  Granola crunch is in there.

• 1:06:05Mark Gagnon?

  Crunch and sugar in the shit.

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  Mess. Okay, go. So you've got special K red berries, which is goat cereal.

• 1:06:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Goat adult cereal.

• 1:06:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that was.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  Just sweet enough.

• 1:06:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  But you think because it's grandfathered in through the health, you think it's healthy.

• 1:06:17Speaker 04

  I don't even convince myself. It's, I've heard some doctors say you should just eat the box. It's healthier to just eat the box. And I'm like, yeah, it's just, it's my drug choice.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  I got excited for a second. I was like, we could eat the whole box. All right, go, go, go. Go, go.

• 1:06:33Speaker 04

  Honey bunches of oats with the almonds in it, the blue box.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  That shit is, I'll be honest with you, that's ass, bro.

• 1:06:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but that's when you think you're being fake healthy.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  That's, that's the mom and dad cereal.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  You want to know?

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  Mom and dad thought that was healthy.

• 1:06:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  So you're like, all right, fuck it. Let me, let me eat this grown up food.

• 1:06:49Mark Gagnon?

  Funny because that was my mom. And after I finished mine, I would just go to that one. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  But it's kind of ass.

• 1:06:54Speaker 04

  No, I love that one. But you can do honey bunches of oats, just bunches. That shit will ruin your life.

• 1:07:00Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, so that's just the sugar part?

• 1:07:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, just the sugar part. That shit rules.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  They take the nature valley. Granola bars, remember those hard shits that you could put like under a table that you're eating out at to level it? They just crunch those up and put it in the bag. Two thousand calories, easy. To the face, okay.

• 1:07:17Speaker 04

  What else?

• 1:07:17Mark Gagnon?

  Damn, I want a goddamn.

• 1:07:18Speaker 04

  Captain Crunch Crunch Berries. Captain Crunch Crunch. I don't like chocolate cereal, that's my one issue.

• 1:07:24Mark Gagnon?

  The Crunch Berry one, that's fire. Miles knows his shit, I ain't gonna lie. Miles?

• 1:07:29Speaker 04

  Also two percent milk, cuz I'm a fat white kid, like.

• 1:07:33Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, that's healthy, right?

• 1:07:34Speaker 02

  Two percent was, we would go whole.

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  That's three percent, that's even, yeah, that's even more.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Hold on.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  It's only three percent?

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  I thought it was one hundred percent.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  I thought it went, I thought it went.

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  I might be wrong, I might be wrong.

• 1:07:58Mark Gagnon?

  I thought two percent bet it was like mad water.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  And I thought skim was like, like.

• 1:08:06Mark Gagnon?

  Just.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  They just, they just take the little titty of the cow and they just do one squirt into a fucking gallon of water. I thought, that is fucking news to me, Miles.

• 1:08:18Speaker 04

  It's three, three point two five percent.

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Get the fuck out of here!

• 1:08:22Mark Gagnon?

  That is crazy.

• 1:08:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:24Mark Gagnon?

  I just learned something.

• 1:08:25Speaker 04

  And then skim's damn near fat free, it's like water, basically.

• 1:08:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, nobody, bro, if you had skim milk, if I woke up and like there was just skim milk in the fridge, I was like, I'm going back to bed, like this is.

• 1:08:35Mark Gagnon?

  Might as well just put water in your shit.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  My mom would eat skim milk and then eat a wheel of cheese at night and I'm like, just fucking, pick your poison.

• 1:08:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know, right?

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  What the fuck you doing, you got a dairy factory in your stomach?

• 1:08:48Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:08:50Speaker 04

  So, yeah, I, I mean, I just gotta, I'm like, I go to that bodega at night and this guy knows me so well, this guy yoga, hardly speaks English. And he just, if I don't buy cereal, he's like, are you okay? Like, is everything alright?

• 1:09:02Mark Gagnon?

  That's funny.

• 1:09:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Wait, did you hit us with the unhealthy shit yet? Crunch Berries?

• 1:09:06Mark Gagnon?

  The Crunch Berry.

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, Crunch Berries, um, I really like Reese's Puffs.

• 1:09:10Mark Gagnon?

  Reese's Puffs.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  That's too much, I can't, it's too sweet now. And it's, it gets on the top of your, the roof of your mouth.

• 1:09:16Mark Gagnon?

  Sweet, there's nothing too sweet.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  No, you got a thing.

• 1:09:18Mark Gagnon?

  Get the fuck out of here.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  You got a real thing, huh?

• 1:09:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:20Speaker 04

  Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Cinnamon Toast Crunch rules, the only chocolate one I like is Cocoa Pebbles.

• 1:09:25Mark Gagnon?

  I used to do Honey Nut Cheerios and then add honey on top. They thought I was being like, I was cultured. Cause I was adding honey instead of sugar.

• 1:09:37Mark Gagnon?

  And I would steal the honey packets from McDonald's.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  These kids don't know about doctoring your own cereals. My mom would buy the Cheerios with no sweetener or whatever.

• 1:09:51Mark Gagnon?

  Oh my god.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Kellogg's, what was it called?

• 1:09:54Mark Gagnon?

  Like the off brand?

• 1:09:54Speaker 04

  Just not honey nut.

• 1:09:55Mark Gagnon?

  Just regular Cheerios.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  It was corn flakes or not Honey Nut Cheerios, just Cheerios.

• 1:09:59Mark Gagnon?

  Cheerios, yeah.

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  And then she would put the sugar on herself, like some old, like she was from communism or something like that shit. And like, I'm not gonna lie, putting your own sugar on the corn flakes?

• 1:10:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  Don't leave that up to Kellogg's, bro.

• 1:10:15Mark Gagnon?

  I did that.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  You gotta do that at home.

• 1:10:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that was legendary, bro.

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Honey on the Honey Nut Cheerios is weird, cause I don't think it would mix in.

• 1:10:21Mark Gagnon?

  Bruh, you gotta keep, you gotta keep, dude, I'm telling you, it's nice.

• 1:10:26Speaker 04

  My mom used to take the milk out of the fridge and give it one little shake, cause she had powdered milk sometimes as a kid. She didn't have a ton of money and we'd always laugh, cause she'd take it out.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  Well, what?

• 1:10:37Mark Gagnon?

  That is-

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  I always shake the milk. You guys don't shake the milk?

• 1:10:39Speaker 04

  That's to break up clumps.

• 1:10:42Speaker 04

  And it's like, yeah.

• 1:10:43Mark Gagnon?

  I think your milk just went bad.

• 1:10:44Speaker 04

  No, no, I never, dude, the way I was eating cereal, our milk didn't make it through the night. Like I, we were doing a gallon, in high school, in high school to gain weight, cause I was so thin and small. I Googled, like, how can I gain weight? What can I do? And I'd lift every day and I'd drink a gallon of milk a day. Go mad.

• 1:11:00Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  Legit, a gallon of milk a day, whole milk or 2%, every day for like a year.

• 1:11:05Mark Gagnon?

  He do look like a milk drinker.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  Son, yeah, he does, he got that. That's crazy. Yeah, my dad got prescribed a milkshake a day from a doctor when he was a kid. That's what medicine was back in the day. People don't realize. That's why you can't trust these vaccines, man.

• 1:11:20Mark Gagnon?

  What?

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  These doctors won't prescribe anything. Jokes about vaccines, please don't clip us.

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  But, uh, but yeah, that was the prescription. He was a skinny ass kid. They wanted him to put on weight and the doctor was like-

• 1:11:33Mark Gagnon?

  A milkshake.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  A milkshake a day.

• 1:11:34Mark Gagnon?

  God damn, I wish I had that problem. You know what, you know what I wanted today? The fucking Shamrock joint.

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  Ooh, Shamrock Shake from McDonald's?

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  What's a Shamrock Shake?

• 1:11:42Mark Gagnon?

  The green one.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Oh, from McDonald's? It's like a McFlurry or something like that?

• 1:11:45Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but they only do it on St. Patty's.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  And you're not gonna do it?

• 1:11:49Mark Gagnon?

  I was hoping, I was, I'm not gonna walk and get it myself.

• 1:11:52Speaker 04

  Did you ever get?

• 1:11:53Mark Gagnon?

  Come on.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  Wait, why not now?

• 1:11:55Mark Gagnon?

  No, I mean, I wanted for the show, but I didn't wanna go all the way up to Canal.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  Okay, alright.

• 1:12:00Mark Gagnon?

  It's the only, only place I get other people to do stuff.

• 1:12:04Speaker 04

  Bullshit.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Bullshit. What were you saying, Miles?

• 1:12:08Mark Gagnon?

  Shut up, shut up.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  What were you saying, Miles? Bullshit.

• 1:12:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, keep going, talk, man.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  What were you saying, Miles? Bullshit.

• 1:12:13Speaker 04

  I was just talking about, you were talking about, uh, things you can get at McDonald's that are seasonal. Were you ever hyped about the McRib?

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  No, I never got that shit.

• 1:12:19Mark Gagnon?

  What?

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  I never understood it. I don't even think I've eaten a McRib. Dead ass.

• 1:12:24Mark Gagnon?

  You're a city boy, bro. He grew up rich.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  That's why I don't-

• 1:12:28Mark Gagnon?

  Fucking rich kid.

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  Beach community people.

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you guys grew up with a beach community. I didn't. We were like, I'm really in these streets? And the reality of the matter is, is that McDonald's is a business that is made for profitability.

• 1:12:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  If that shit was supposed to be eaten, or legal to eat, all year rounds?

• 1:12:46Mark Gagnon?

  They would keep it on the menu.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  They would keep it. There's something about it that they can only feed it to us for like, a month, or whatever. So that was always weird to me. Like-

• 1:12:57Mark Gagnon?

  Like, the logic checks out.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  Why would you, if everybody loves it, why would it stay on the menu?

• 1:13:02Speaker 04

  Maybe it's just mad cheap?

• 1:13:04Mark Gagnon?

  Cause then you're on rush, you wouldn't have the rush to go get it when it's out.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  They don't care about your rush.

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  Scarcity?

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  They don't care about your rush, Al. They know that that shit is gonna kill you.

• 1:13:13Mark Gagnon?

  What's crazy is that, it's like, shaped like ribs-

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  And it's not even ribs.

• 1:13:17Mark Gagnon?

  No bones in it?

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  You don't even know what that shit is.

• 1:13:19Mark Gagnon?

  We don't know.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  And you eat it.

• 1:13:21Mark Gagnon?

  It was delicious. Delicious.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  It's-

• 1:13:28Mark Gagnon?

  Fish filet, I had cheese with the cheese on it?

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  Cheese and fish is another one.

• 1:13:32Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I don't do that one, bruh.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  We didn't question any-

• 1:13:35Mark Gagnon?

  I was ghetto, I was a ghetto kid, guys. You don't understand with the level of ghetto I used to be.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  You know what we needed as kids? We needed conspiracies, man. We needed like, conspiracy theorists as kids. We didn't question enough. We would eat a fish sandwich from McDonald's.

• 1:13:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  No question what the fuck that fish was. McRib didn't have a single rib in it. They only had it for a month out of the year. We thought that's when ribs were made.

• 1:14:00Mark Gagnon?

  There was no way to like, we didn't, did you question a single thing as a kid? So the beef from the Quarter Pounder and the regular burgers are just so different. And I'm like, why is the beef taste different?

• 1:14:15Mark Gagnon?

  That's a little nuance right there. I was, I was a McDonald's connoisseur. Can you think of a single thing you questioned as a kid? I'm a mix Somalia. Did I say that right? No. No, I tried. You said Somalia, right? Oh, so then mix Somalia. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Fuck you. Alright, give me something on that.

• 1:14:36Mark Gagnon?

  Where's the comic in the corner?

• 1:14:42Speaker 04

  I think McDonald's should give out a passport. There's an idea I had. They should give you a passport in America that when you go to McDonald's in other countries, you can get it stamped. So you get like a McDonald's passport and then you go to like.

• 1:14:53Mark Gagnon?

  Actually, not a bad idea.

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  It's not a bad idea.

• 1:14:55Mark Gagnon?

  Y'all are fat. We are. We are. We really are though. Y'all are both, you're both culturally and spiritually fat. Yes. Neither of you are fat, but you're spiritually fat. But I'm like proud of it though.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  Hell yeah.

• 1:15:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like, I've been through the trenches, bro. I made it out. I need to try the finer things in life, like McDonald's in Sweden. I still got both my feet right now, son. Guys, I made it out, baby.

• 1:15:25Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, Miles, you really want to travel the world eating McDonald's?

• 1:15:29Speaker 04

  I've never gone to a foreign country and not gone to the McDonald's in that foreign country.

• 1:15:33Mark Gagnon?

  Really? Yep. You'd never like, you check out the menu, it's always different? What about Saudi Arabia?

• 1:15:37Speaker 04

  Went in the airport in Saudi Arabia. Went in the airport, or went in Dubai, went, oh no, I did Saudi Arabia inside the place where it did, in that little fairgrounds, so we did the comedy.

• 1:15:48Mark Gagnon?

  Oh yeah, I remember when he dipped off and went to the McDonald's and he wanted to see that shit, yeah?

• 1:15:52Speaker 04

  It's a part, it's a thing you gotta do. It's part of it.

• 1:15:55Mark Gagnon?

  Legendary. Step it up.

• 1:15:57Speaker 04

  You gotta do it.

• 1:15:57Mark Gagnon?

  And what'd they have there?

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  Chicken, a lot of chicken.

• 1:16:00Mark Gagnon?

  A lot of chicken, right? Was it covered up? Low key, the way that they wrap the burgers is kind of like a burka.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Mark Gagnon?

  You know?

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:10Mark Gagnon?

  There, I mean, yeah.

• 1:16:11Speaker 04

  The McBurka, they could sell that. It just has a little.

• 1:16:15Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, that'll be fire.

• 1:16:17Mark Gagnon?

  Come on.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  Hey, man, they're not all gonna hit.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  Yo, don't let me bomb up there. There's only three of us in the room. Bombing's a lot louder than this.

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  Yo, bombing is a lot louder. Just us, yeah. I mean, they're dealing with enough bombs over there. We might as well add you.

• 1:16:33Mark Gagnon?

  Open the straight.

• 1:16:35Speaker 02

  I saw, yeah, open the straight.

• 1:16:38Speaker 04

  Let the McDonald's free.

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  Let me oil it out. Let me oil it. Okay. All right. There's a, I saw this shit. This shit I thought was one of the most brilliant marketing ideas in history. This is a real thing. Okay? This is, this is a real thing. Do you know it's March Madness?

• 1:16:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Kalshi is doing a $1 billion Perfect Bracket Challenge, meaning the winner, if they get a perfect bracket.

• 1:17:06Mark Gagnon?

  It's a billion?

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  Gets $1 billion.

• 1:17:08Mark Gagnon?

  That's crazy.

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  The best bracket gets a million. Let me tell you, and then they took a million to charity or something like that. Now, the chances of getting a perfect bracket are like, like, next to zero. You can look and see if anybody in history has ever done it, right?

• 1:17:19Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, really? I thought like several people win every year.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:17:23Speaker 04

  No, not a perfect, the whole bracket perfect.

• 1:17:25Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  I don't think it's ever been done. Warren Buffett used to sort of offer this.

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  The closest known attempt was in 2019 when a bracket went 49 games without a mistake before breaking.

• 1:17:36Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  It's harder than the lottery. Now, this is, this is why I think it's brilliant. So, nobody wonders, nobody's thinking like, I can do it. But if you are gonna fill out a bracket, if you're gonna do one bracket, would you not do it in the place that you could win a billion dollars?

• 1:17:55Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, absolutely. I don't even do this bracket shit, but I'm gonna try. What's the buy-in for it?

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  I don't know. We should look at that. Figure out what the buy-in, but like.

• 1:18:03Mark Gagnon?

  It's like, $5 million?

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  I wonder if that's just free, low-key?

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, I would imagine it's free.

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  It might just be free. Yeah, so then how the fuck they gonna pay out? Well, they, well, this is how it works. It's actually really interesting. But I imagine just signing up is the thing that's valuable, and then maybe when you sign up, you trade on games, whatever. But like, this is, this is the genius. So, the way these things work, like when somebody does like a half-court shot in an NBA game. The team doesn't pay you if you win. The team pays an insurance company a much smaller amount. And the insurer covers the win if they hit it.

• 1:18:38Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  So with this, I don't know what the deal is, but I'm curious. It's like, nobody's ever done in history, so for the insurer, it's a pretty safe bet, but how much do you have to pay to get a billion dollars of insurance?

• 1:18:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  Does Calci go, okay, here's 10 million? Okay, how to claim your free Calci billion dollar bracket entry?

• 1:18:56Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  You gotta visit Calci, create a new account. Anyway, so, so this is a perfect example, right?

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  Economy's fucking shit. Everybody needs a dollar. There's a free option to win 1 billion dollars.

• 1:19:13Mark Gagnon?

  This is dangerous.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  I, I, listen, I'm saying it here right now. You ready?

• 1:19:17Mark Gagnon?

  A couple of Nancy Carrigans taking out knees, bro. This is dangerous.

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  You know what I, you know what I thought with this is like, and I guess you can't do it because like every account is verified, like Calci actually is different than the other ones where like, they take your fucking information and shit, like they take your social security or whatever. But like, my first thought before I realized that was with AI, why don't we use Claude or ChatGPT or whatever to create half a million accounts? And just try every permutation you possibly could.

• 1:19:45Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, you fucking them over, right?

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  Well, no, but they, they make sure that they verify that you're a real person. That's the shitty way that we can't, you know, rip them off.

• 1:19:52Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, we got the migrants.

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  Son, exactly. We got them in the hotel. You give each one an iPad and it's like, yo, all day.

• 1:19:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  All day. You gotta be signing up accounts. It's one in 9.2 quintillion. Quintillion, the chances. But again, it doesn't matter. I'm saying this here right now. I think this year, somebody does it. I don't know if they're gonna do it through them and they're gonna fucking wish they did. But I, for some reason, feel this year is the year somebody gets it. And then that's a bit like.

• 1:20:21Mark Gagnon?

  That's great. Yeah. I got it. I'm gonna do it.

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  Look, don't you feel like I, I feel like I'm gonna do it?

• 1:20:26Mark Gagnon?

  I'm lucky. I be getting mad lucky.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  One in 9.2 quintillion lucky.

• 1:20:31Mark Gagnon?

  I got this.

• 1:20:32Speaker 02

  And I think you gotta go about it, not looking at the seeds, really.

• 1:20:35Mark Gagnon?

  I'll hit you off with a mill.

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  How much would you give me if you won a billion dollars?

• 1:20:39Mark Gagnon?

  A mill.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  Just one? You got a billion? Alright, the government gonna take half. So now you have 500. 500 thou.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Yo, Al. Al's mama gonna be living in the same house she did before that billion. Let me tell you that. Nobody getting into Al's. I'ma pay it off.

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• 1:24:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, we were talking about this, actually, we didn't talk about it on Brilliant, but some people are thinking about moving out of America.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Yes, what do you think about that?

• 1:24:47Mark Gagnon?

  I'm, I'm looking at Spain.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  Is this, is this a different reaction than remember when like Rosie O'Donnell and like, who is the other lesbian? Ellen? Like, they're like, I'm leaving the country, and then I think they ended up coming back? Or do you think this is fundamentally different, like, people reacting to what is happening and them not feeling comfortable?

• 1:25:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I think the latter. Cause it's like, you're just looking at the direction things are going in, and it's like, and he's getting more and more brazen with the stuff that he's doing.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:17Mark Gagnon?

  Like, it's, it's low-key scaring me. And I think the economy's gonna collapse, cause right now...

• 1:25:23Mark Gagnon?

  The, ah, we don't want to get political, but whatever, like, the way we went after Venezuela, China can go after Taiwan and we can't say shit. And if that happens and Nvidia's stock gets affected, our whole stock market collapses.

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  That's the thing I don't understand about Taiwan, and I understand that these systems are complex and like Taiwan doesn't just, we had, uh, what's his face on here on this pod? Oh, man, what was his name? Geopolitical expert, Indian guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fareed Zakaria. And he was saying how like, he was saying like these chip processing places, like, they rely on 15 different countries to even execute the chip. Like this country doing this thing and this country doing that thing. So it's not just them, but it is shocking to me that chip processing that our entire stock market is kind of relying on the same way that the, you know, during like the dot com era, the stock market was like really heavily dependent on these, these dot com stocks, um, these tech stocks.

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  It is crazy to me that like we would allow it to exist in this foreign country that could be invaded at any point in time. That we wouldn't try to shift that over here. And maybe that's what they're trying to do now, but like.

• 1:26:37Mark Gagnon?

  It's that difficult.

• 1:26:37Speaker 02

  Just pick up the machine and bring it over here. Like, well, how is it that?

• 1:26:41Mark Gagnon?

  It must be that difficult. And imagine if you have something and you're the only place in the world that can do that shit, you're not giving that up to nobody.

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  You might give it up to the people that are making sure that you not Chinese. You know what I mean?

• 1:26:54Mark Gagnon?

  True. Yeah, but.

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  So you're, you're really concerned about like economic downturn. Now, the question would be where would you go? Because I imagine these other places aren't like, um, impervious to the negative effects of a global economic collapse.

• 1:27:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but there's a lot of places in Europe that like, they kind of don't get involved with this shit. Like Spain is one of these places like, yo, do your thing. We're not involved, like, leave us alone. And they're not like. Of course, everybody's going to be affected, but I think the euro will hold up a little bit more than the dollar will.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  I don't know. Again, I don't know enough, but like, I think they're like, look, if the American economy takes a massive, massive hit.

• 1:27:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:31Speaker 02

  We're the biggest consumers in the world, bro. The whole world does not want that to happen.

• 1:27:34Mark Gagnon?

  That's true.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  So it's like, well, what the fuck? Like, if every other country that's making shit all of a sudden doesn't have their biggest buyer? What is that? What happens to their economies?

• 1:27:44Mark Gagnon?

  I'd rather be in a place where people are used to getting by with less.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  Well, that's a, that's a decision that you can make for sure, which is like, change your lifestyle.

• 1:27:54Mark Gagnon?

  It's gonna get a little crazy.

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  You think it's gonna get a little crazy? Really? And would there be a place here that you would consider going? And it doesn't have to be like some bougie ass place, but just like a community that you're like, you know what? This is kind of insulated. I like the lifestyle here. I like how people live. And I don't think it will be as reliant on tech stocks that are all.

• 1:28:10Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know of any. Like, can you think of any?

• 1:28:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:15Mark Gagnon?

  Where?

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  I mean, you know, you could probably go upstate. You know what I mean?

• 1:28:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I guess.

• 1:28:20Speaker 02

  I mean, there's probably tons of places that you could go to where, you know, these are just like nice insulated communities. Matter of fact.

• 1:28:26Mark Gagnon?

  Why would you? Still cold upstate is still like, yeah.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  You want some good weather, too.

• 1:28:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like, I'm gonna pick some place.

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  So you're really just looking for an excuse to leave America and you're trying to blame it on the economy?

• 1:28:38Mark Gagnon?

  It's looking a little, it's not looking good.

• 1:28:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, what it would.

• 1:28:42Mark Gagnon?

  But it's not like I'm trying to, I'm just, I want the option. If shit goes down, I want to be able to.

• 1:28:48Speaker 02

  And what does shit go down look like to you?

• 1:28:50Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know. I honestly, the stock market collapsing and then people being hungry and then fighting crime.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  Oh, you're worried about like violent uprising?

• 1:29:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yes. Whoa. Yeah.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, that makes things very difficult.

• 1:29:05Mark Gagnon?

  It's already pretty tight and no one's doing anything to make things better.

• 1:29:09Speaker 02

  Bro, it's, um, yeah, it is, it is a concern. I never, yeah, I didn't think about like violent uprisings because of like economic downturn. I thought about violent uprisings because of like systemic issues and like fighting for people's rights and fighting for their livelihood. Like, that's something that I think that we've, you know, seen in our lifetime. But simply from the, the point of like, we need food and we're gonna go attack something?

• 1:29:34Mark Gagnon?

  Because it's like, motherfuckers are getting fired with AI and it's gonna keep happening faster and faster.

• 1:29:41Speaker 02

  So that's, that's the thing, right? Like the existential crisis of AI. Everybody is concerned about that, like there's these conversations about entry level jobs. I'm sure you've heard of.

• 1:29:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but now it's even white collar jobs.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  Of course, of course, but like I think what, what, at least from what I've read. A complete casual to this, but like they're saying that it could wipe out 30 to 40% of entry level jobs. Meaning like the assistant work or like, you know, a junior editor, for example, instead of, you know, organizing files and setting up these different editing documents. You can have your, I guess Claude potentially organizing for you, et cetera. So that would limit 100%.

• 1:30:24Mark Gagnon?

  And then Anthropic released something the other day that says like, oh, coding jobs, doctors, law assistants or whatever, like, yeah, yeah, jobs you have to get, go to college for.

• 1:30:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. So here's my question, here's my question about that. This is not the first time that there's been like transformative technological advancements. There's no question that there's going to be a period where like people are going to lose jobs. But hasn't history shown us that like other jobs will sprout up around the technological advancement? So I, I like computers come around and they wipe out whatever the fuck they wipe out. But now you have all these computer technician jobs. You have people that are creating new types of computers. You have competitive coding companies that are like trying to develop, you know, more sophisticated programs. Does that also continue? And do the jobs just shift in that direction?

• 1:31:20Mark Gagnon?

  Potentially, but I think it's going to happen to too many people too quickly. And there's not going to be enough of the new jobs available for all the people out there.

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  Right. And that also could be the case.

• 1:31:32Mark Gagnon?

  I just can't see a world where we create enough new jobs for everybody to pivot to.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:31:38Mark Gagnon?

  And when that happens, our country already fights over how much taxes we pay and handouts, this and that and socialism. Like, I don't think we're coming to the help of people.

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, that's gonna be the circumstance where it's just like, people are gonna need money to survive, and the economy is gonna need liquidity to survive. And by liquidity, I mean, like, people are gonna need to buy things.

• 1:32:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you can pump some money into the economy for a while.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  So, so, does, does it end up being like that universal basic income situation? Where, where it actually, they're not doing it because they're like, oh, we're worried that you're hungry. They're doing it because they're like, Apple still needs to sell phones, right? And we still need to make sure that there's money being exchanged in this economy.

• 1:32:25Mark Gagnon?

  But think about the resentment that's gonna build between people who work and people who get the free money.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  Well, what's the resentment?

• 1:32:32Mark Gagnon?

  We already have the resentment right now for people on fucking welfare.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I feel like, if, go, go, Miles.

• 1:32:38Speaker 04

  The U of UBI would be universal. Everyone gets paid.

• 1:32:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but I, it's still like, the people at home, not working, versus the people who work, even if you get the extra money, there's still gonna be some resentment. It's like,

• 1:32:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, but their lifestyle at home is not gonna be the lifestyle of the person who has a career.

• 1:32:55Mark Gagnon?

  That's the same thing that's happening right now to people on food stamps, and people still complain about those people.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's whack, bro. Like, the, I, I, like, I don't think, like, really wealthy people are worried about people on food stamps or thinking about them.

• 1:33:07Mark Gagnon?

  Do you listen to politics? They complain about them all the time. People leeching off the government, having two or three kids and staying at home.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  I don't think those are the wealthy people. I think those are politicians that are representing people who are disenfranchised.

• 1:33:19Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  So I think they're representing voices that are like, far more impoverished than, like, the billionaires. The billionaires aren't even thinking about that. They're like, ah, it's not my money that goes to the food stamps. I'm hiding my money.

• 1:33:31Mark Gagnon?

  I'm talking about the infighting amongst the

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  Yes, 100%.

• 1:33:35Mark Gagnon?

  lower middle class. That's where the fight is gonna happen.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  And, listen, I've, I've like, read stuff about it, and all of this stuff seems like a potential plausible outcome. But I'm also in this place right now where I'm, I think right now, because things are so bad, that many people have a very negative outlook on America. So what trends and what gets views is America bad. I.e., if you look at like, any, this is a bad example, but like,

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  When the war first started with Iran, the videos that we're getting, all the views were, "America's gonna lose." And I think that that, not only is that interesting, because you're probably like, "Oh shit, I thought we had the strongest army. How the fuck are we gonna lose?" I think there's maybe also a part of it, which is like, "Well, fuck, what the fuck is America doing?" I don't know if it feels deserved, but like, there is that like, it's not a nihilistic standpoint, but there is this viewpoint that's just like, there's, it's negative, and we are

• 1:34:37Speaker 02

  trying to find a way to frame it, where it's like, it's not like we want America to do bad, but because things don't look good, we're looking to confirm that feeling we have. Does that kinda make sense? So, I'm, sometimes I at least try to treat the existential crisis content with a little bit of skepticism, where I'm like, is, is this real, or is creating a piece, a YouTube video about how AI is gonna destroy all the jobs, just the thing that gets the most views?

• 1:35:10Mark Gagnon?

  Got you.

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:35:12Mark Gagnon?

  Cause I feel like I approach it that same way. I just would like, just in case it is, to have an option.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that's smart. You want your bunker, whatever your version of the bunker is.

• 1:35:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah. That's why I've got my concealed carry license.

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  You ready to bang out?

• 1:35:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I don't know what the fuck's gonna go down.

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  That's another thing, it's like, when you see the rich people building bunkers, like, we're allowed to be suspicious too.

• 1:35:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I get it. So, but you do get where I'm coming from, where it's like, if the, if, if the content is satisfying the feeling, and I think that's kinda like how the internet works, it's like, however people feel, the content, like, content is oftentimes audience capture. So it's like, when Timmy Chalamet's the coolest guy on the planet, all the videos were, "Look how cool shit Timmy Chalamet is." "Look how amazing his outfits are. Look how awesome his movies are. Look how dedicated he is to his craft." Then when it's, "Ah, Timmy Chalamet sucks, and he shouldn't have done that", now you see all the same creators doing content about how he sucks. So, in a lot of ways, I think that like, the content creation is a reflection of what people feel, not the other way.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  Where, whereas back in the day before you knew what views were, like when you were just making newspapers or magazines, you didn't know how many people really read it. Like, yeah, you know who bought it, etc., but you didn't know what was resonating, what articles, etc. They kind of dictated information and then people reacted to information. So they could kind of dictate the feeling of the public. You know, like-

• 1:36:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but then, isn't that, so isn't the content now more reflective of how the people feel?

• 1:36:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, yes, 100%, 100%. And before, you could propagandize way better, right? It's like, hey, we gotta, hey, we gotta go to war, okay? All the media companies, let's get on the same page about why this is important, yada, yada, yada. What I'm just saying is that I think human beings in general have a more like, catastrophic thinking when it comes to the world and outlook. It's more rare for us to be like hopeful and optimistic. And I think that's why like when specific, you know, figures like an Obama and these like, or like even Mubadani, these like incredibly charismatic, optimistic people, come on. It's, it's, you see religious figures also do this, right? Where it's just like, it, I mean, you see a lot of like, I don't know how you feel about them, but like the wealth preachers.

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  Like, you're gonna be rich, you know, type of, and it's like, it's intoxicating in a lot of ways. Because it's a break from the catastrophic thinking that is probably more ingrained into our like primal nature.

• 1:37:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:42Speaker 02

  You know, like, we're always worried about how things are gonna go bad because that's how you stay alive. So I try to, like, when I see trends on the internet, I try to go, okay, is this real? Or are these people just creating what is gonna feed off the feared insecurities of the audience?

• 1:37:58Mark Gagnon?

  Got you. And you're not worried at all?

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  No, no, of course I have those worries, but I try to like talk back the worries. So I'm not just reading things that confirm my concerns. I'm not as catastrophic as like maybe some, you know, where it's just like-

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, you know, I think like the global economy is so intertwined that like I, I think right now like

• 1:38:22Mark Gagnon?

  Even when these billionaires are building bunkers and the people that are working at the tech places that are creating this fucking AI are trying to warn you like, yo, guys, this is going to like collapse.

• 1:38:33Speaker 02

  That shit is scary.

• 1:38:34Mark Gagnon?

  Like that shit doesn't.

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  That shit is scary.

• 1:38:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  That shit is scary. And then I'll like ask chat GPT an easy question and it'll get it wrong. And I'll be like, nah, we got a few years.

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  So it's like, is it gonna take over the world? Or does it not know, you know, the difference between red and green?

• 1:38:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  Or whatever, like it's, it's tricky. I just, I don't think that I haven't witnessed it. And again, like we live in a weird space where we're I'm sure we could use AI and I'm sure there are things that we do with AI in our business, but it's probably not as prevalent if you're in a fucking law firm or you work at like a CPA agency where you're doing taxes. You're probably like, oh shit. You're using Claude to do your job and you're like, eventually we're not gonna need a me.

• 1:39:19Speaker 04

  I said this on Al's show, we were on, on Sunday. I said, I think a lot of middlemen are like, no, I don't want to call them middlemen, but like that job that is between an individual and a like industry.

• 1:39:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:30Speaker 04

  Are a lot of the people that are like, oh, those two might get a lot closer.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  Can I, can I give an example of that?

• 1:39:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  Real estate agents.

• 1:39:37Mark Gagnon?

  Bah, that was a job that, and it sucks because one of my guys is a real estate agent, but that's like been a job that I'm like, when are they gonna?

• 1:39:46Speaker 02

  So like, there's value for the real estate agents, I think in terms of like knowledge and awareness of an area. When you're buying a place, like them being able to go look like, I know the history of this building, you know, the, the building's in debt. So if you buy in here, you're gonna take on that debt. Like all these like little things that like you and I probably wouldn't even think of when buying a place. Also knowing little obscure shit like, oh, there's a subway project coming into this area. So now this street is actually gonna be super valuable. Because like these other little intangibles. If you're just renting an apartment in a city that you only plan to live for like a few years.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  How is Zillow not worked it out where you just apply like you do for um, a restaurant reservation?

• 1:40:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know. It's crazy.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  Like you, you, what are we doing here?

• 1:40:37Mark Gagnon?

  Like Tesla doesn't have any dealerships. You order your car through an app.

• 1:40:43Speaker 02

  And it shows up at your house.

• 1:40:45Mark Gagnon?

  Shows up at, get the fuck out of here.

• 1:40:46Speaker 02

  Like there's no dealership. Remember when banks did that? Remember when it was like Charles Schwab or something? It was like, they were like, yo, no ATM fees. And we're like, what's the cats? And they're like, we don't got a bank.

• 1:40:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:58Speaker 02

  And then we're like, so I can use any ATM? They're like, yeah, you're like, alright, take my money. Like, I don't want to go to my bank. I want to go to the fucking ATM machine in Times Square. They're charging me $12 to take out money.

• 1:41:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  So yeah, I think that they're, okay, maybe the, the, the specific jobs where they are middlemen and you could see technology even without AI closing the gap. Like it's, it is crazy. You should, you should be able to get an apartment by just reaching out directly to the person.

• 1:41:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:29Speaker 02

  Right? Like.

• 1:41:30Mark Gagnon?

  But hey, it's a job. That's somebody's livelihood.

• 1:41:32Speaker 02

  No, no, I don't want them to lose that. And I think when it comes to buying a property, it's this massive investment. It's like everything you've ever earned. I don't know if you would want to leave that up to a computer. But like, when you get an Airbnb, this is why I think it's kind of obscure. When you get an Airbnb, is there a real estate agent involved?

• 1:41:47Mark Gagnon?

  Nope.

• 1:41:48Speaker 04

  No, just the company itself.

• 1:41:49Speaker 02

  Right? So it's like, you give your information, they do, granted it's for a short amount of time. So it's not that big a deal. But like, how is renting your apartment month to month different than an Airbnb? Like, it's not fundamentally that different.

• 1:42:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  Right? Or?

• 1:42:03Mark Gagnon?

  No, you're not wrong, but I, that just scares me. It scares me for, like luckily I think I'm safe, but I said this on the show also, thank you for coming through to the show.

• 1:42:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:42:16Mark Gagnon?

  Miles is really opinionated, bro.

• 1:42:17Speaker 02

  Oh, I love it. I love it.

• 1:42:19Speaker 04

  That is not true. I, I pulled the Mark Ag on and just sat on that.

• 1:42:22Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, nah, nah. He did his thing, bro. But it's like, it was my business, for example, I've already pointed out ways that I can use AI to save money and like. skim down on jobs.

• 1:42:35Speaker 02

  What's, what's an example? Not saying you would do it, but what's an example?

• 1:42:38Mark Gagnon?

  Like, there's a lot of these AI things to cut clips. Where I don't need to have a team of people that cut clips for people. I can save. I can, right now, save a bunch of money and I'm choosing not to. Because the business is still doing well and I don't want to fire people. But if it comes to it where the business starts to suffer.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  You're gonna have to find ways.

• 1:42:59Mark Gagnon?

  And like, that is the same thing that probably every business owner is thinking about right now.

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a tricky thing where it's like.

• 1:43:07Mark Gagnon?

  And I don't, I don't have to like, uh, what's it called? Like investors that. Um, like, I'm not on the stock market, so I don't have to like.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  You don't have to answer to those investors, but if you did, you gotta show returns and yeah, yeah. That is the, yeah, like, the, the ideal scenario, right? Is like, every one of us could use AI to make our jobs easier and better. And everyone still has their job.

• 1:43:32Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  Right? Like, the ideal scenario is like, Miles, you get to use AI to help you with, with your processes for production, editing, et cetera. And it cuts your work down, but you still make the money you make. And you get to enjoy more of your life and you get to do other things with your time. Like, that is just. That's the ideal scenario. But it, but as we know, we live in a fucking system that is gonna be built around profit. Not everybody is gonna have a kind of communal office vibe that we have where.

• 1:44:03Mark Gagnon?

  Hypothetically, and sorry, sorry, Miles, you're, you're the example in this.

• 1:44:08Speaker 02

  Go, you're good.

• 1:44:08Mark Gagnon?

  What if you saw Miles posting every day, like, on a beach, drinking a margarita? And all the work is getting done. Somehow he found AI automation to do everything. You'd be perfectly fine with it. That he's not here and he's chilling.

• 1:44:25Speaker 02

  The second he fucks up.

• 1:44:27Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, that is.

• 1:44:30Speaker 02

  I'm going through his whole Instagram feed with him.

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  The same emails I'm going through, I'm like, why would, why, why did this happen right here? Like, why we want to be here?

• 1:44:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:41Speaker 02

  You know? So, yes, that would happen. I'm aware of that already. No.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  No, but like, for me, if, if the business is, is profitable and everybody's eating and there's a find, if there's a technological advantage that we can use, here's a perfect example. It's not fucking AI, but when we first started a podcast, right? We would have to process three cameras of audio back in the day, or video back in the day, right? And it was like, then you'd have to sync up the cameras, sync it up to the audio, and then edit angles from all three cameras. And then I bought this thing called a switcher.

• 1:45:20Mark Gagnon?

  You remember when we bumped into each other at B and H?

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:45:23Mark Gagnon?

  We were both.

• 1:45:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:45:24Mark Gagnon?

  Buying this which I'm like, how can I make this job easier?

• 1:45:27Speaker 02

  So it's like.

• 1:45:27Mark Gagnon?

  You're like, how can we streamline this shit? I'm like, oh.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  Boom. So it's like, there's, I was like, I was like, because basically what I asked is like, how do they do it on the news? Like, the news isn't pre-recorded, so like, there has to be a way. And somebody explained to me that there's this thing called a switcher, which allows you to record all the cameras, but they, what's recorded is only the camera that is like focused, they're chosen at the time. And I was like, holy shit. So you're saying like, by the end of the episode, we have a fully edited episode? Now, things have changed now, we have to make some changes or edits or insert ads or blah, blah, blah. But there was a time where it was just, we were rifling off the ads during it and, and I was like, okay, wow, there's a piece of techno, this piece of technology that makes Alex's life way easier.

• 1:46:15Speaker 02

  Now, I'm sure my brain immediately went like, okay, now that you have all that extra time, can we cut some clips from the pod and do like, you know, I didn't stop thinking about other things we could do. But it wasn't like, okay, now that your life is easier, can we pay you half as much as you used to make? Like, my, my feeling was like, yo, if we're gonna be here for eight hours and we could turn this work into two hours, what can we do with the other six hours? Can we film a sketch? You know what I mean? Can we have a cool brainstorm session? Like, what, what game could we add to the pod that would make it better? That's kind of what I, my thing. But again, I don't run like a factory that makes zippers.

• 1:46:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:50Speaker 02

  If you run a factory to make zippers, you're not trying to do creative shit.

• 1:46:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:46:56Mark Gagnon?

  Interesting guys, it's gonna be some fun times ahead, bro.

• 1:46:59Speaker 04

  It's very funny. We've switched, this is like now inside baseball shit, but we used to use a switcher that I was live switching all times. We don't do that anymore. I just re-watch the episode and cut it back down.

• 1:47:09Speaker 02

  And this is interesting, it's because you can, sometimes with the switcher, you'll be on a single on Alex, and then Mark will say the most hilarious bit.

• 1:47:21Mark Gagnon?

  And you miss it.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  And then we miss it, and it's like, our logic is essentially like, the audience is gonna miss a really fun moment.

• 1:47:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  So Miles takes way more time to now, you know, figure that out. There are other versions that you could do that might be less time, like we could-

• 1:47:36Speaker 04

  Nah, but it's gotten faster, it's gotten better, and like, it's really good now that we don't miss that shit.

• 1:47:41Speaker 02

  I think, like, when I watch it, I'm like, ooh, these choices are really good. Cause when you're switching in real time, it's hard, you don't know who's gonna talk, you never, and also-

• 1:47:49Speaker 04

  You miss every joke.

• 1:47:49Speaker 02

  You miss every joke, because a lot of the times, like, the joke that's funny is you say something and then someone has a quick witty response, so you have a quick witty response to somebody else.

• 1:47:57Mark Gagnon?

  So I do the switcher in Brilliant, and it almost feels like an instrument, like a music instrument. And it's like, it's, my fingers are kind of like, just attached to the person talking, not even talking. And then I'm even thinking about getting the reaction of the laugh.

• 1:48:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:12Mark Gagnon?

  And like, I cut to that, and it's like, it's not, I'm not thinking, I'm not trying, it's just like, I'm talking and engaging in the conversation and my fingers are just doing stuff.

• 1:48:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. But that's just something that, just none of-

• 1:48:23Speaker 02

  That's another thing, it's like, it needs to become so, what is the term, like, rote? Cause if you're thinking about switching-

• 1:48:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can't.

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  And you're contributing-

• 1:48:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're cooked.

• 1:48:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah. Trust me, guys, I know.

• 1:48:41Mark Gagnon?

  Imagine, and processing audio, and pulling stuff up on screen.

• 1:48:44Speaker 02

  Not possible.

• 1:48:45Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it was a difficult time.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  Can you tell me what the fuck White Lotus season four cast and location revealed is?

• 1:48:53Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I didn't hear about that.

• 1:48:55Speaker 04

  The location is the French Riviera.

• 1:48:57Speaker 02

  Oh, I knew that was gonna happen. I love that.

• 1:48:59Speaker 04

  There's some huge names in it.

• 1:49:01Speaker 02

  Gimme.

• 1:49:02Speaker 04

  Helena Bonham Carter.

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  Who's that?

• 1:49:04Speaker 04

  That is, uh, uh- She's in Fight Club. Strange.

• 1:49:08Speaker 02

  I love her.

• 1:49:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  She's Bellatrix Lestrange from Harry Potter.

• 1:49:12Speaker 04

  Oh, Bellatrix. Okay, okay, okay. All right.

• 1:49:14Speaker 02

  She is great. Who's her wife? Uh, she's married to Nightmare on Elm, not Nightmare on Elm Street, uh, Tim Burton. Isn't she married to Tim Burton?

• 1:49:24Speaker 04

  Married to Freddy Krueger?

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  No, no. Didn't he do some fucking Halloween movie?

• 1:49:28Speaker 04

  He did.

• 1:49:29Speaker 02

  Close to Christmas.

• 1:49:31Speaker 04

  Nightmare, he technically didn't direct it, but yes, you're right. It's Tim Burton's Nightmare for Christmas. He just wasn't directing.

• 1:49:36Speaker 02

  Kumail is on there?

• 1:49:38Speaker 04

  Can we see pictures? Cause I don't know these niggas' names. They apparently broke up. Yeah, Kumail's on it. Kumail, the Indian guy who was in the Marvel movie.

• 1:49:46Speaker 02

  I think he's Pakistani.

• 1:49:47Speaker 04

  Pakistani, my fault. I'll scrub that, clean it up. Oh, you gonna, you gonna get it, right? Max Greenfield is awesome.

• 1:49:54Speaker 02

  He's from, uh,

• 1:49:55Speaker 04

  New Girl.

• 1:49:56Speaker 02

  New Girl. He's funny, that guy.

• 1:49:57Speaker 04

  He's so good.

• 1:49:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's funny. Who else we got?

• 1:50:00Speaker 04

  Sandra Bernhard. Who's that?

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Oh, she's an OG.

• 1:50:04Speaker 04

  OG, yeah.

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  She's an OG. You recognize her. That one.

• 1:50:09Speaker 04

  Oh, okay. All right. So she's gonna be the, the pill popper.

• 1:50:15Speaker 02

  He kinda got a, you know. Hundred percent, hundred percent. Who is the holdover? Uh, cause don't they bring one person from each?

• 1:50:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, let me find that out. Oh yeah, everybody died at the end, right?

• 1:50:26Speaker 02

  No, they had a, the, didn't the black chick whose son came, since she lived?

• 1:50:36Speaker 04

  Oh, the, the, yeah. Yes, cause she wasn't at that scene where everybody got shot up.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  And didn't she make money off it too? Like, oh, that was what happened. She was supposed to start a thing with the Asian dude she was fucking. And then she got paid and she was like, ah, I gotta go. Like, that's the beauty of that show. It just shows you everybody's a piece of shit.

• 1:50:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  Like, it's

• 1:50:57Speaker 04

  It's real.

• 1:50:57Speaker 02

  It is. It is crazy though. Like, I, I wanna talk to the creator, Mike White, I think is his name?

• 1:51:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, Mike White.

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  I wanna talk to him because like, as beautiful as the creation is, like,

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  Is the cost of that having like a cynical outlook on humanity?

• 1:51:13Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:51:14Speaker 04

  You gotta get him. He would be so fun on this pod.

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  He would be.

• 1:51:17Speaker 04

  He's awesome.

• 1:51:18Speaker 02

  Cause he's also like obsessed with Survivor randomly like.

• 1:51:20Speaker 04

  He was on it and I think he's on the 50th season.

• 1:51:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:23Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, he's a cast member?

• 1:51:25Speaker 04

  He was a cast member once.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like because he loves the show.

• 1:51:28Speaker 04

  Obsessed.

• 1:51:29Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:51:29Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, he was already like producing TV.

• 1:51:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he was already in the industry, right? Like he was on Celebrity Survivor.

• 1:51:36Speaker 04

  Well, he wrote, uh, uh, the Jack Black movie, uh, School of Rock.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Okay.

• 1:51:42Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:51:43Speaker 02

  But yeah, again, so it's like, is this just a thing that he's good at? Or is this kind of his outlook on humanity a bit where he's able to access the, uh, kind of the most selfish parts of our, your being, you know? And like, what's the cost of that? It's like, you know how like cops always deal with people lying to them all day?

• 1:52:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:06Speaker 02

  So, you know, there's like a little distance sometimes when you're talking to one, even off, you know, off hours, like if he's not working, it's still, everybody's trying you.

• 1:52:15Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  So I think, I imagine you start to see people as little pieces of shit.

• 1:52:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:22Speaker 02

  Did you feel that way a little bit?

• 1:52:24Mark Gagnon?

  A little bit. The older I get, I feel more that way.

• 1:52:26Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:52:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it sucks.

• 1:52:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:29Mark Gagnon?

  Um, can we try to like galvanize the audience to tag somebody like that and get them on the show?

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, we need to.

• 1:52:37Mark Gagnon?

  I've seen shows do that and that shit works.

• 1:52:40Speaker 02

  We gotta do that. We need everybody telling Mike White, we need, we need him on a pod, bro.

• 1:52:43Mark Gagnon?

  Please tag Mike White. I know it's kinda corny. I feel even kinda corny saying that shit, but.

• 1:52:48Speaker 02

  Nah, I don't feel corny.

• 1:52:50Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, we would love to get him on the show.

• 1:52:51Speaker 02

  He would just be a cool person to talk to. Like what is, and how does he observe these groups? Like the way he did those group of girls.

• 1:52:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:59Speaker 02

  There was, there was three girls on last season.

• 1:53:01Mark Gagnon?

  And nailed it.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  And like, he nailed it to the point.

• 1:53:05Mark Gagnon?

  White girls.

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  Yo, he nailed it to the point that my wife would be watching it and like, it was a, it was a combination of laughter and also cringe. And that she goes, oh my God, I have friends that do that. You know, like, oh, this is how girls are.

• 1:53:22Mark Gagnon?

  Bruh.

• 1:53:23Speaker 02

  You gotta be locked in.

• 1:53:24Mark Gagnon?

  I heard that from every girl. It's like either they were one of them or they knows. And most of them said they know. Yeah, my friend is. None of them was. Yeah, that was.

• 1:53:32Speaker 02

  You wanted them to.

• 1:53:34Speaker 04

  I think having an obsession over, uh, reality TV.

• 1:53:38Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:53:39Speaker 04

  Makes you addicted to like, reality TV only gets people who are like the most boisterous in their own.

• 1:53:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like the worst, the worst parts of humanity.

• 1:53:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, and he's obsessed with it. He was on, uh, Amazing Race. He, obviously if he's in those shows, he's watching them all. And he's just a.

• 1:53:53Speaker 02

  No, that's a great.

• 1:53:54Speaker 04

  Fan of reality TV. And reality TV is almost White Lotus dramatized and like those characters.

• 1:54:01Speaker 02

  That's a great observation, Miles. Yeah. It's like, reality TV specifically has gotten so good at casting the reality star. And there are like qualities to it, right? It's like extreme emotional reactivity, manipulative, and a lack of, of self-awareness. So where like you can behave in a way that most of us would feel like was reprehensible, without even really realizing it. Like you kind of feel pseudo justified in whatever you do. At least in the moment, you can acknowledge it. And, uh, yeah, that's every character on that show. They feel completely justified in their bullshit.

• 1:54:36Mark Gagnon?

  Son, it's funny. Before we started recording, Shifty was explaining these Mormon bitches to me.

• 1:54:41Speaker 02

  Tell me, tell me, tell me.

• 1:54:42Mark Gagnon?

  Like, I don't know if I could break it down, but.

• 1:54:44Speaker 02

  Should we have Shifty come on out? Shifty, come out!

• 1:54:47Mark Gagnon?

  It sounded like an episode of White Lotus. The way he was breaking this shit down. He's like, this fucking Mormon bitch is fucking this guy. Then she went on The Bachelor and then she was like pregnant and then immediately off The Bachelor, went back to the guy she was fucking. That guy is fucking all her friends and some old lady or some shit like that. Like, he was just, it was, it seems like a dope show. And I don't even wa-watch reality TV, but I'll give it a watch. Just.

• 1:55:11Speaker 02

  Son, it is.

• 1:55:12Mark Gagnon?

  It sounds like an episode of White Lotus.

• 1:55:15Speaker 02

  It is like.

• 1:55:16Mark Gagnon?

  You watch? The Mormon one?

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  No. So my wife was, I hate when guys do what I just did.

• 1:55:24Mark Gagnon?

  So, yes.

• 1:55:27Speaker 02

  Cause like, and look, nobody does this with Game of Thrones. Nobody does it. Like, it don't matter if your wife puts it on. If you watch it, you say you watch it. But when it comes with the fucking, uh, heated rivalry or the Mormon wives or any of these like Housewives shows, it's always, yeah, my girl was watching it and then I took part, whatever.

• 1:55:45Mark Gagnon?

  Heat rivalry, I, yeah, I hope it's always the girl.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's, yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Anyway, so the, uh, I actually told my wife about this one. She was on her housewife shit. And I was like, how are you not, son, I, I'm plugged into the internet.

• 1:56:02Mark Gagnon?

  What's up with you?

• 1:56:03Speaker 02

  I'm plugged into the internet, bro.

• 1:56:04Mark Gagnon?

  Who are you?

• 1:56:05Speaker 02

  I'm Andrew Cameron Schultz, the son of Larry Schultz.

• 1:56:08Mark Gagnon?

  Larry would be upset.

• 1:56:14Mark Gagnon?

  Larry would be upset.

• 1:56:15Speaker 02

  He'd be upset. He might, son, he might, son, oh god. But yeah, so, um.

• 1:56:22Mark Gagnon?

  How you put your wife on to reality?

• 1:56:25Speaker 02

  Yo, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, it's.

• 1:56:29Mark Gagnon?

  Son, I got painted nails and I'll be shaving you, bro.

• 1:56:36Speaker 02

  Insanity, cuz I had to like broach it. Like she kept watching like Real Housewives of Potomac or some shit. And I'm like, I'm like, oh, uh, uh, cuz I knew she wasn't watching it. I was like, what's happening in that, that Mormon wife show? And she's like, oh, I haven't watched that one yet. And I was like, oh, word, like, it's crazy, like, like, I'm trying. And she's like, yeah, I'm just not into it. And I'm like, it's so crazy?

• 1:57:04Mark Gagnon?

  But why you trying to get her on it?

• 1:57:06Speaker 02

  Cuz I wanted to watch it, but I'm not trying to sit there and abandon my family, my two children, my wife, watching some bitch's pee taste like fruity pepper.

• 1:57:14Mark Gagnon?

  I guess you heard all the bitches was hot on this shit. He's like, yo, you know, we might wanna get this one a watch.

• 1:57:19Speaker 02

  They got some lookers, we're not gonna lie.

• 1:57:20Mark Gagnon?

  Son, Shifty said there's a bunch of baddies on that.

• 1:57:23Speaker 02

  They got some, now, now you know why that lake is salty.

• 1:57:28Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? There's some lookers on the show.

• 1:57:32Mark Gagnon?

  But it's some crazy.

• 1:57:34Speaker 02

  They're crazy.

• 1:57:35Mark Gagnon?

  So what is it about Mormonism drives you crazy? Because they're too like, you gotta be a certain way and then they just blow up and become?

• 1:57:42Speaker 02

  They're, these girls are all kinda Mormon culturally too.

• 1:57:45Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:46Speaker 02

  Some are like Mormon about it. And then some are like culturally Mormon in the way that they're, they're like religious Jews and cultural Jews.

• 1:57:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  It's not like Christians and cult, like. Like, everybody in America is kinda culturally Christian. Like, we celebrate Christmas and that kinda shit. This is a little different. Like, their community is a little different. Like, they might not go about all the things, but they're not drinking. You know what I mean? They might not go to church, but it's just like-

• 1:58:14Mark Gagnon?

  But I heard these girls is like-

• 1:58:17Speaker 02

  They're not rejecting it. They're not, not all of them are rejecting it.

• 1:58:20Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, really?

• 1:58:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's some baby mamas on there, but they're not all-

• 1:58:23Mark Gagnon?

  What I think is like, you know how there was like the church girl who was like the slut?

• 1:58:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're thinking that they're having a rum springer.

• 1:58:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but then it's like, because they had to be repressed for so long-

• 1:58:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:33Mark Gagnon?

  They became ultra sluts.

• 1:58:35Speaker 02

  This, this show to me isn't about sluttiness.

• 1:58:39Mark Gagnon?

  It's mad sleeping around, it's peeing on mouths and shit.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  It's, uh, they're like married girls on it. It's a lack of-

• 1:58:47Mark Gagnon?

  R. Kelly without the kids.

• 1:58:48Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, no. It's, I'm telling you, brother, it's a, a lack of shame. There is no, there's, there's a term in Spanish, uh, I mean, we have it too, but it's like, sin vergüenza. Like, no embarrassments. Like, my, my buddy would call me-

• 1:59:03Mark Gagnon?

  Why you gotta do that to me? Can I be the Puerto Rican nigga?

• 1:59:05Speaker 02

  Nah.

• 1:59:06Mark Gagnon?

  Like, why you gotta out-Spanish me? I ain't even-

• 1:59:10Speaker 02

  Oh, you acknowledge that Spanish is white?

• 1:59:13Mark Gagnon?

  No. You're just out-Spanish.

• 1:59:16Speaker 02

  You so-

• 1:59:17Mark Gagnon?

  You culturally appropriating, you know?

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  But my-

• 1:59:19Mark Gagnon?

  My fucking culture boater right here. You can't trust these guys.

• 1:59:21Speaker 02

  My boy would always call me sin bad, or sin vergüenza, when I was living in Spain. And he was a homie out there. And it was just cause I was like, I would just do crazy. I was like, I'd, I wouldn't care. Like, I just wouldn't care. And, uh-

• 1:59:33Mark Gagnon?

  Still.

• 1:59:33Speaker 02

  Still, it's still kinda there. These women are without shame or without embarrassment to an extreme. Like, the girl got her pussy surguried up and like, just showed the other girls. And like, the camera crew and the lights and the, the audio team is there, but like, they had to blur her pussy.

• 1:59:50Mark Gagnon?

  But I thought Mormonism is super buttoned up, super image, super perfect.

• 1:59:54Speaker 02

  This is the thing that people get wrong.

• 1:59:58Speaker 02

  They're incredibly sexual. Just with the person you're married to. Once you're married. It's, it is divine to be fucking.

• 2:00:08Mark Gagnon?

  Can they do an OnlyFans with their husband?

• 2:00:10Speaker 02

  Hmm, I think that would be sharing it with other people.

• 2:00:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:00:13Speaker 02

  But being into your husband and having crazy sex, but then some of them aren't.

• 2:00:17Mark Gagnon?

  Talking about this slutty shit they doing with their husband?

• 2:00:19Speaker 02

  That's fine, cuz it's not slutty. It's sex with the man that you're, you love.

• 2:00:24Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, well, talking about the sex with the man that you love.

• 2:00:26Speaker 02

  They're way open, like, too open.

• 2:00:28Mark Gagnon?

  But then they can't show it publicly?

• 2:00:30Speaker 02

  Nah, they won't, they won't show it.

• 2:00:30Mark Gagnon?

  But she showed her pussy lips on it. Give me that nausea and pussy looking.

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  Put your pussy on the bar. Uh, nah dude, it is, so it is like, they are just wildly open, catty, none of them really seem like friends. But like, they're connected through this TikTok, it's crazy.

• 2:00:49Mark Gagnon?

  Is it worth like, I don't do reality TV, but is this one worth it?

• 2:00:51Speaker 02

  It's not, it's, you just watch the clips. You don't gotta get into stories, just watch the clips.

• 2:00:56Mark Gagnon?

  Watch the clips, okay.

• 2:00:57Speaker 02

  It's, it's, the clips are worth it.

• 2:00:59Mark Gagnon?

  People, send me the good clips, cuz I don't even know where to start. I just know that was fruity pebbles.

• 2:01:03Speaker 02

  They throwing accusations on people, dude, like, a guy says, yo, I hit, and the girl confronts him, like, you didn't hit, and then like, we never find out. And then like.

• 2:01:12Mark Gagnon?

  Shifty said some girl fucking wrapped a wire around her dude's neck. They had to like, cancel the season.

• 2:01:19Speaker 02

  They got one shorty.

• 2:01:20Mark Gagnon?

  Like, today.

• 2:01:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it was, yeah, this, this, this girl, shout out to, I think her manager's a fan of the show, shout out to you.

• 2:01:27Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, fuck.

• 2:01:27Speaker 02

  And, uh, my bad. Yo, we want her on.

• 2:01:31Speaker 02

  Bring that little felon on here.

• 2:01:33Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  She's, she's.

• 2:01:34Speaker 04

  Treat it like an insane asylum, take her shoelaces away?

• 2:01:37Speaker 02

  Shorty is bat shit.

• 2:01:41Speaker 02

  Shorty is bat shit crazy.

• 2:01:44Mark Gagnon?

  So, Miles is into the choking shit, he'll like it.

• 2:01:47Speaker 04

  Also, you know what's funny is we're talking about.

• 2:01:50Mark Gagnon?

  He ain't say no, he ain't say no.

• 2:01:55Speaker 04

  When you said he, she choked him with a, with a phone wire, I went old school, like, telephone.

• 2:01:59Speaker 02

  That's what I thought.

• 2:02:00Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I thought, yeah.

• 2:02:01Speaker 02

  What's a phone wire?

• 2:02:01Speaker 04

  Charger.

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  Hilarious.

• 2:02:03Speaker 04

  I bet it's a charger.

• 2:02:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:04Speaker 04

  There's no fucking house phones anymore.

• 2:02:06Speaker 02

  And she did that to someone on The Bachelor?

• 2:02:10Mark Gagnon?

  No, to her dude.

• 2:02:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, to her dude.

• 2:02:12Speaker 02

  But isn't she on The Bachelor? Isn't she the new Bachelorette?

• 2:02:15Speaker 00

  I know nothing about this. I just was making a point.

• 2:02:17Mark Gagnon?

  Shifty, I'm telling you, he was breaking the shit down.

• 2:02:19Speaker 02

  Shifty!

• 2:02:21Speaker 00

  Shifty's been gun shy on the camera and the talking.

• 2:02:24Mark Gagnon?

  You making everybody in this office gun shy.

• 2:02:27Speaker 02

  Why is it me?

• 2:02:28Mark Gagnon?

  You.

• 2:02:28Speaker 02

  What I do?

• 2:02:29Mark Gagnon?

  They step here, you talk shit, and then they never want to get back in front of the camera.

• 2:02:33Speaker 02

  Damn, bro, I gotta get better at that.

• 2:02:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you do, actually.

• 2:02:36Speaker 02

  What did I, I'm just asking about this show he loves.

• 2:02:38Mark Gagnon?

  We have a lot of great people here in this studio, and they're camera shy because of you.

• 2:02:41Speaker 02

  I don't know if they're camera shy because of me. There might be, there might be other reasons.

• 2:02:47Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, you, you.

• 2:02:49Speaker 02

  Might be wars happening in the world.

• 2:02:51Speaker 00

  No politic, no politic.

• 2:02:54Speaker 02

  Okay. What is that?

• 2:02:56Mark Gagnon?

  No politics.

• 2:02:57Speaker 02

  No politic, no politic.

• 2:03:00Speaker 02

  Secret Lives of Mormon Wives pauses season five filming due to domestic violence investigation into Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota Mortensen. Damn.

• 2:03:10Mark Gagnon?

  Crazy.

• 2:03:11Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  Sucks, bro. Hey, man.

• 2:03:15Speaker 00

  We want you on the pod.

• 2:03:15Mark Gagnon?

  Free Dakota.

• 2:03:16Speaker 02

  Stay up, yeah, free y'all.

• 2:03:18Mark Gagnon?

  Free Dakota, but we'll take the other bitch.

• 2:03:19Speaker 02

  No, Dakota's the guy.

• 2:03:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, he got his neck wrung up.

• 2:03:24Speaker 02

  He's free. The girl is locked up.

• 2:03:28Speaker 00

  Al, you know how chill works?

• 2:03:30Mark Gagnon?

  I'm just saying, whenever a guy has to go through that, I've dated a couple of latitas.

• 2:03:34Speaker 02

  Charlamagne calls Al a bailiff, and that shit kills me.

• 2:03:40Speaker 00

  Why, why even ask?

• 2:03:42Speaker 02

  Bailiff ass motherfucker.

• 2:03:45Speaker 02

  Look at you cute little bailiff over there.

• 2:03:47Speaker 00

  Weren't you a bailiff?

• 2:03:48Mark Gagnon?

  I was a court officer.

• 2:03:49Speaker 02

  Motherfucker was a same fucking.

• 2:03:52Mark Gagnon?

  Bad bailiff.

• 2:03:54Speaker 02

  You were the bad guy in the corner.

• 2:03:56Mark Gagnon?

  Same, same procedure that every police officer has to go through.

• 2:03:59Speaker 02

  Yo, but you was a bailiff about it, bro.

• 2:04:02Mark Gagnon?

  No, I was a court officer, puts some respect. Shout out to my court officers.

• 2:04:07Speaker 00

  We got some breaking news, too.

• 2:04:08Speaker 02

  What do we got? Breaking news, Morocco has been announced as Afcon winners with the final result returned by CIF. What does that mean? Senegal?

• 2:04:18Mark Gagnon?

  Why are we happy? What is this?

• 2:04:19Speaker 00

  Cause those Moroccan.

• 2:04:21Speaker 02

  Oh, no, go back, go back. That's right, there was this.

• 2:04:25Speaker 00

  Wait, what happened? I remember this story.

• 2:04:27Speaker 06

  So there, the Moroccan players were trying to take the towel from the goalies. There's like some controversy on air.

• 2:04:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:36Speaker 06

  They leave, Senegal leaves. They're like, no, fuck this. We're not doing this. They leave for 18 minutes. And then they resumed the game. So I assume that this panel saw that as forfeiting the match and gave it to Morocco.

• 2:04:48Speaker 00

  So they got rewarded for their fans trying to rip the towels off the goalies?

• 2:04:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, they got rewarded because Senegal left the game in protest for an extended period during the game.

• 2:04:59Mark Gagnon?

  But then when they come back, does Senegal win?

• 2:05:02Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 2:05:03Mark Gagnon?

  You don't want that win.

• 2:05:06Speaker 00

  Wasn't there something else?

• 2:05:07Mark Gagnon?

  That's a shitty win.

• 2:05:08Speaker 00

  There was something else obscure about the...

• 2:05:12Mark Gagnon?

  Can we bring Dub in about this? He'll like this.

• 2:05:14Speaker 00

  He don't know what's going on here.

• 2:05:16Mark Gagnon?

  He knows everything. Is there, is these Moroccan Jews or just Moroccans?

• 2:05:20Speaker 00

  Just Moroccans.

• 2:05:20Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, never mind.

• 2:05:22Speaker 04

  Also, I do want to bring up that every time you guys give me some shine on the pod, which I really do appreciate, we end up talking about McDonald's and I don't want that to be my legacy.

• 2:05:32Mark Gagnon?

  You jumped in on the McDonald's. Nobody said, hey, McDonald's, hey, Miles, how you think about this?

• 2:05:36Speaker 04

  We were talking about cereal and then I get...

• 2:05:38Mark Gagnon?

  You just light up.

• 2:05:38Speaker 04

  You get me all hyped up, bro.

• 2:05:39Mark Gagnon?

  You're like a kid on Christmas Day.

• 2:05:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, you get me all hyped up. It's like McRib season.

• 2:05:46Speaker 00

  Look, we don't care.

• 2:05:51Speaker 00

  Can we just be honest? We was trying to care. Here we were trying to care about the Moroccan African cup.

• 2:05:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, we don't give a fuck.

• 2:05:59Speaker 00

  We don't care about the African cup?

• 2:06:01Mark Gagnon?

  Nope.

• 2:06:01Speaker 00

  That's not what we care about.

• 2:06:02Mark Gagnon?

  Nope.

• 2:06:03Speaker 00

  African cup. They gonna put that cup in their bottom lip.

• 2:06:15Speaker 00

  I know that's not Morocco. I know that's not Morocco. That's a different place. But you know what I'm talking about. We're just out here riffing.

• 2:06:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:22Speaker 00

  We're just out here riffing.

• 2:06:23Mark Gagnon?

  It's like, I don't care about the fucking Spanish baseball league going on.

• 2:06:26Speaker 00

  Exactly. The world baseball classic.

• 2:06:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, the only people who care about it, Spanish people.

• 2:06:31Speaker 00

  Is Dominicans that care.

• 2:06:33Mark Gagnon?

  Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. That's the only two people that care. And Central America and South America.

• 2:06:37Speaker 00

  They love it.

• 2:06:38Mark Gagnon?

  They love it.

• 2:06:38Speaker 00

  Americans love it. The Italians love it.

• 2:06:41Mark Gagnon?

  Americans, we don't give a fuck.

• 2:06:42Speaker 00

  The Japanese love it.

• 2:06:44Mark Gagnon?

  Do it.

• 2:06:45Speaker 02

  The finals tonight.

• 2:06:46Mark Gagnon?

  But Americans don't give a fuck. I heard the coach fucked up. Like he like, he did something, right? Can you break it down?

• 2:06:52Speaker 06

  He, he thought that they had already advanced into the knockout round.

• 2:06:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:57Speaker 06

  And they didn't, so Italy beat them. And then Italy had to win their next game for the US to advance, or they would have been knocked out of the group stage.

• 2:07:05Speaker 00

  And then they lost.

• 2:07:06Speaker 06

  And then Italy ended up winning.

• 2:07:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:08Speaker 06

  Which still brought the US into there, but the US went into it with the assumption after three games that they had automatically qualified.

• 2:07:15Mark Gagnon?

  So he thought they clinched, so he put the B squad in.

• 2:07:17Speaker 00

  Hilarious.

• 2:07:18Mark Gagnon?

  Just to give everybody some playing time.

• 2:07:20Speaker 06

  And they're saying, they're saying like, we got drunk.

• 2:07:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, we not taking this shit serious.

• 2:07:24Mark Gagnon?

  We gotta lock in, boys. We gotta lock in.

• 2:07:26Speaker 02

  We're playing Venezuela.

• 2:07:27Speaker 00

  Alright, get on their neck like Taylor Frankie Paul. You get on, you get on their neck like a Mormon wife. Okay, shout out my girl Taylor Frankie Paul. This girl is bat shit. Let me tell you.

• 2:07:42Mark Gagnon?

  But in a good way, right? Cause we want her to pot.

• 2:07:46Speaker 00

  I can't confirm that, bro.

• 2:07:49Mark Gagnon?

  But we want her to pot though, right?

• 2:07:50Speaker 00

  I think it would be an entertaining, look at her, look at her, tell me that's not a shit full of bat.

• 2:07:55Mark Gagnon?

  She got crazy eyes, but.

• 2:07:57Speaker 02

  She's beautiful.

• 2:07:57Mark Gagnon?

  It's like.

• 2:07:58Speaker 00

  That's not a shit full of bat right there, my boy. Tell me.

• 2:08:03Mark Gagnon?

  I can't even.

• 2:08:04Speaker 00

  Go to another picture. Go to the other picture. Sweet woman.

• 2:08:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I can't even say it.

• 2:08:09Speaker 00

  Tell me, tell me I'm lying when I say that she's a shit full of bat.

• 2:08:12Mark Gagnon?

  You not. And we know how to spot.

• 2:08:14Speaker 00

  Oh, a bat full of shit.

• 2:08:21Speaker 00

  We ain't even need it, man.

• 2:08:22Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck y'all.

• 2:08:23Speaker 00

  That's a shit full of bat.

• 2:08:24Mark Gagnon?

  That's a shit full of bat.

• 2:08:25Speaker 00

  Look at her, look at her, look at her. She crazy.

• 2:08:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 2:08:28Speaker 00

  But you know it's grippy. You know it's grippy.

• 2:08:31Mark Gagnon?

  Back in the day.

• 2:08:32Speaker 00

  You know it's grippy. You know it's grippy.

• 2:08:35Mark Gagnon?

  The crazier the eyes, the better. Come on.

• 2:08:39Speaker 00

  The better what?

• 2:08:40Mark Gagnon?

  Just the better. Every, it's just the better.

• 2:08:42Speaker 00

  The grip?

• 2:08:45Speaker 00

  Grip? What is that grip like?

• 2:08:47Mark Gagnon?

  We stop. She's a married woman.

• 2:08:49Speaker 00

  You ever seen them wide receiver gloves?

• 2:08:58Speaker 00

  She got a grip like Alex Honnold.

• 2:09:02Speaker 00

  Son of a bitch. Yo, yeah, I'm good on all the screen. Come on, come on, come on. Married woman. She's a ma- You married? She's not married. Is she not? She's not ma- I'm a married man. Yeah. I'm just talking about she's crazy. But is she not? No, that's why she was gonna be on The Bachelorette. Oh, so fuck this bitch. No, whoa, whoa, whoa, can't speak like that. Nah, don't put no- Nah, but in a good way. Fuck this bitch in a good way. Alex. You just gotta interpret it. Good. Al. It's like when black women call other girls bitches and it's like, good, that's my bitch. You gonna blame black women now? Fuck, damn it. Or you are a black woman. Those are your two options in this situation. Yes, I'm trans.

• 2:09:43Speaker 00

  Son. From the fingernails off. Get me out of this. Get me out of this.

• 2:09:51Speaker 00

  Charlamagne said the only way Timmy Chalamet can win an Oscar is if he does the Caitlyn Jenner biopic.

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  Why does he love just taking down? Oh, the white boys with motion, right? Oh, he loves that shit. He loves it. Don't come in the Breakfast Club with no motion, white boys.

• 2:10:17Speaker 00

  Nah, we need you on the pod, crazy bitch. Come on, Al. This is a mom. We're crazy girls.

• 2:10:25Speaker 00

  Mom, we're crazy girls. Okay, crazy grip. We need you. That's your name now, crazy grip. Miles, you were the one that brought it up to me. The grip was so fucking crazy. But leaving Al alone is so funny. Unless someone else to help him. Miles told me, Miles told me she took the, uh, the lug nuts off a wheel barehanded.

• 2:10:46Speaker 00

  She said, Miles said she changed the tire barehanded. She wet.

• 2:10:52Speaker 00

  She said the grip was that crazy. You need your tire changed, call-

• 2:11:00Speaker 00

  She said the grip was that crazy. Oh, I just hurt my dick. It's all good, man. You need someone to grip that up. You gotta get your girl to grip that up. Yeah. It does confirm- That's a respectful thing. Yeah, I guess it is. Not the disrespectful about our girls gripping.

• 2:11:19Mark Gagnon?

  With all due respect.

• 2:11:21Speaker 02

  We're not gonna sit here and say that our girls don't grip with all due respect.

• 2:11:24Mark Gagnon?

  Ah, they grip us.

• 2:11:25Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Grip us.

• 2:11:28Mark Gagnon?

  Everybody loves Chase Infinity. What the fuck is that?

• 2:11:32Speaker 02

  She's an actress from one battle after another. Is she not?

• 2:11:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 2:11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, beautiful.

• 2:11:39Mark Gagnon?

  I thought you were talking about a credit card.

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  Yo, Al hates black women, bro.

• 2:11:47Mark Gagnon?

  Dead ass.

• 2:11:48Speaker 02

  Al hates black women, bro.

• 2:11:50Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, Chase got a new credit card that everybody loves.

• 2:11:54Speaker 02

  I was like, what's the point? Can I get corporate points? Yo, can we just celebrate black women for one second, bro?

• 2:12:01Mark Gagnon?

  She's black?

• 2:12:02Speaker 02

  Uh, end the podcast. This guy.

• 2:12:05Mark Gagnon?

  She's black?

• 2:12:06Speaker 02

  And your girl's white.

• 2:12:07Mark Gagnon?

  No, this looks like Kylie Jenner.

• 2:12:10Speaker 02

  Well, that's what they going for, right? Isn't that?

• 2:12:12Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, stop it. Stop it.

• 2:12:14Speaker 02

  You don't thi- oh, okay. Guys, stop. Now we get- we've gotten too horny. Everybody stop. Stop.

• 2:12:20Mark Gagnon?

  Stop it!

• 2:12:22Speaker 02

  Whoa! Stop being disrespectful.

• 2:12:25Mark Gagnon?

  Academy Award!

• 2:12:26Speaker 02

  There you go. Put- bring the Sandlot kid up.

• 2:12:28Mark Gagnon?

  God damn. Oh, Sandlot kid.

• 2:12:32Speaker 02

  That's not Sandlot?

• 2:12:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, it is.

• 2:12:34Speaker 02

  Pitcher got a big butt. Pitcher got a big butt.

• 2:12:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah!

• 2:12:37Speaker 02

  Who's that?

• 2:12:38Mark Gagnon?

  That's Sandlot. Miles, you don't- you never- Jake Shane.

• 2:12:42Speaker 02

  He's not Sandlot? You telling me that's not the catcher from the fucking Sandlot?

• 2:12:46Mark Gagnon?

  That is. No. Miles is definitely-

• 2:12:49Speaker 02

  Zoom in!

• 2:12:49Mark Gagnon?

  So, that is definitely him. You don't know your whites, see? You're right, you're right. You're very- Yeah.

• 2:12:55Speaker 02

  I think that's it. Is that not him?

• 2:13:01Mark Gagnon?

  That's Patrick Rena. You're thinking of Patrick Rena.

• 2:13:04Speaker 02

  Is that not the same person?

• 2:13:05Mark Gagnon?

  No. Yes, he got the Ozempic.

• 2:13:09Speaker 02

  Wow, dude.

• 2:13:10Mark Gagnon?

  But can we go back to Chase? I want that card.

• 2:13:18Speaker 00

  Ow. You have, you have a, a married woman of color at your house right now. I was listening to this podcast.

• 2:13:26Mark Gagnon?

  I want to chase infinity card.

• 2:13:28Speaker 00

  There is no such thing.

• 2:13:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, there is. It gives you all the points. All the points. Yes.

• 2:13:33Speaker 00

  You're trying to give her a point.

• 2:13:34Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no, no. Three times when you buy restaurants and shit.

• 2:13:38Speaker 00

  No, stop. You're being disrespectful. Who is this guy? I've never seen her ever. Did you not see one battle after another? Yes, but she was in it. I can't do a podcast with you anymore. Oh, that's the main bitch? The, the, the, the, oh, oh. What am I saying wrong? You can't call black women that. That's just... No, I can, but it's endearing. It's like my nigga.

• 2:14:05Mark Gagnon?

  Wrap up the pot.

• 2:14:06Speaker 00

  Because I can't talk anymore. What's going on? We'll see you guys on Patreon, man. She's an amazing actress.

• 2:14:13Mark Gagnon?

  If you think we're brilliant.

• 2:14:15Speaker 00

  Patreon.com/BlackWomenPeace.

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