Minnesota ICE Killings is the Breaking Point: Flagrant Ep 689

YERRR – this week the boys are discussing the recent ICE killings in Minnesota. We’re also talkin’: - Mark being the worst friend alive - Small Greek D propoganda - Alex Honnold climbing and white people spelunking - Akaash got his pawned gear back, Mark's got a new mouth toy & much much more. INDULGE. 0:00 Mark's bath baby batter + No shower 5:02 Miles moving + Why do we have headboards? 8:51 Who has the best wafers? No Pound Town 12:01 Great guy, Never bully + Miles was cool! 14:18 Ain't see enough Ds + Greek strategies 21:00 ICE murdered Alex Pretti + Intended cruelty 34:57 Protests working, Midterms + Needing change 41:27 No trust, 2A + Heroism 47:40 TikTok censor political discourse + Info 53:29 Not picking sides, Politics = messy + Call it out 1:01:25 Sports benefits + Super Bowl 1:06:28 Akaash got his equipment + Pawning 1:12:32 Mark got a Jew Harp 1:15:02 Alex Honnold climb is terrifying 1:24:04 Humans are awesome compilations + Not new?? 1:29:58 Spelunking + need for hardcore 1:36:24 "The devil's always fun" + Superstitions This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Mark Gagnon?

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• 0:02Speaker 01

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• 0:11Mark Gagnon?

  He's back.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  I'm older. I'm wiser.

• 0:15Mark Gagnon?

  And sharper than ever.

• 0:17Speaker 01

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• 0:24Mark Gagnon?

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• 1:23Speaker 04

  Can I be honest? If I had to choose who I would rather have in my place, no question, Miles or Mark. Really? Miles is such a good house guest. Hundred percent. Such a good... Miles would clean up after himself. Miles would probably do dishes and shit. He would like feel very guilty about it and really overcompensate. Mark would take this shit for granted. He came in your tub and didn't even wash it out.

• 1:39Speaker 05

  That's the thing. Like, you don't wanna go to take a shower after like a weekend on the road and then step in another man's cum?

• 1:46Speaker 05

  You're saying you don't wanna walk into your shower, open up the shower curtains? What, I thought that was really interesting. Jerking off into the shower and not cleaning, and then closing the curtains to like hide the other end. And then open the curtains and I splat stepped my foot right into a pile of cum. A pile of cum that hadn't congealed yet. He kept that bathroom just warm enough. He kept it just warm enough to maintain... Yeah, the liquid form of cum. And I stepped and I just broke it and splattered it. Egg yolk, yeah.

• 2:19Speaker 06

  Still warm. I didn't know that you were standing outside the tub in...

• 2:23Speaker 05

  It's like location, location, location into the tub, not in the tub. Oh, yeah. Well, you had a choice to make.

• 2:28Speaker 06

  I think it was laying down in the tub.

• 2:31Speaker 06

  You had a toilet. No, no, you can't go to the toilet. That's crazy.

• 2:34Speaker 05

  Laying down in the tub is a crazy, that's a committed. You were not laying down in the tub. There's no way you're laying down in the tub.

• 2:38Speaker 06

  No, no, no.

• 2:39Speaker 05

  You're standing up in the shower, you jerked off onto the floor and you thought it would drain in and then you forgot to do the water.

• 2:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:45Speaker 05

  And then I went to take a shower and then I stepped on a sticky substance.

• 2:48Speaker 06

  Mark, you've peed.

• 2:49Speaker 05

  Substance.

• 2:49Speaker 06

  You've peed in so many sinks, how did you not think the sink was?

• 2:52Speaker 05

  What are we talking about pee here? We're talking about a man's cum.

• 2:55Speaker 06

  No, I'm just saying he's already.

• 2:55Speaker 05

  We're talking about a man's cum on the bottom of my foot that I've never recovered from.

• 2:59Speaker 06

  He might have peed in your sink too.

• 3:00Speaker 05

  Can I be honest with you? To this day, my right heel is far smoother than my left. Something happened.

• 3:10Speaker 05

  There was some sort of like lotion substance that hit my foot and I have a softer right heel because of that. Don't even say you're welcome. Don't even try to own it.

• 3:20Speaker 06

  I'm just saying, you need to bottle that thing up. That's what I'm saying, right? It's a fountain of youth. Yeah. Yeah.

• 3:26Speaker 05

  Well, it kinda is.

• 3:27Speaker 06

  Do you guys all wanna be younger?

• 3:28Speaker 05

  It is the fountain of youth. It literally is the fountain of youth.

• 3:31Speaker 06

  You got that beef tallow on you.

• 3:34Speaker 05

  Literally?

• 3:34Speaker 06

  Yes. Never have to exfoliate again. Yeah, but you know what's crazy?

• 3:39Speaker 05

  Well, why? What is? What's crazy? What's crazy?

• 3:43Speaker 06

  Miles was homeless and had a cleaning lady.

• 3:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. That is fucking crazy. That's fine. That was crazy.

• 3:49Speaker 06

  I was homeless and none of you guys took me in. What about that?

• 3:52Speaker 05

  I took you in. I let you stay in my apartment.

• 3:54Speaker 06

  For a night, okay?

• 3:55Speaker 05

  You could stand there as long as you want.

• 3:56Speaker 06

  You mean that?

• 3:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, because you got really comfortable. I feel like you thought it was your apartment, that you could come and things and not clean them up. What was going? Did you not shower after?

• 4:05Speaker 06

  No, I didn't, dude.

• 4:06Speaker 05

  It's him. That is the craziest thing. Isn't that the craziest thing? That he jerked off.

• 4:13Speaker 06

  Allegedly.

• 4:13Speaker 05

  And then didn't wash after.

• 4:17Speaker 06

  Wait, you did? You washed every time?

• 4:18Speaker 05

  That takes more work than not.

• 4:20Speaker 06

  But you washed every time?

• 4:21Speaker 05

  If I had foreskin, I would wash it. Right?

• 4:25Speaker 06

  You just pee and blow a bubble.

• 4:28Speaker 06

  But you you wash every time you stroke your shit?

• 4:30Speaker 05

  Well, I usually stroke my shit in the shower.

• 4:32Speaker 06

  Really?

• 4:32Speaker 05

  While I'm showering.

• 4:33Speaker 06

  Okay, okay.

• 4:34Mark Gagnon?

  If you got naked, got into a shower,

• 4:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:38Mark Gagnon?

  stroked your shit and didn't turn the water on and left.

• 4:41Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 4:41Mark Gagnon?

  So you didn't shower.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  Wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 4:43Mark Gagnon?

  Not naked, you keep the hoodie on.

• 4:45Speaker 05

  Are you guys just getting this?

• 4:46Speaker 04

  No, yeah, I'm just getting this because in my mind,

• 4:48Speaker 05

  I thought he showered.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  It's a shower jerk.

• 4:50Mark Gagnon?

  Then jerked off, but like didn't wash it off.

• 4:52Speaker 04

  You let the conditioner settle, you really enjoy the time.

• 4:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Five minutes, you're in, you're out, it's efficient.

• 4:57Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 4:58Mark Gagnon?

  You had a dry jerk, but in a shower.

• 5:01Speaker 06

  That's what I said, laying down, fully lights off.

• 5:04Speaker 04

  That is insane.

• 5:05Speaker 05

  And that's the jerk off that we know about. There's no way that you only jerked off once that weekend.

• 5:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, it might have been more times, I don't know.

• 5:15Mark Gagnon?

  You're this young, young Mark. You're gonna be the clip.

• 5:21Speaker 06

  Might have been more times.

• 5:22Speaker 05

  This is how I know that he did it more than once.

• 5:25Mark Gagnon?

  Oh.

• 5:26Speaker 05

  Because only if you did it several times, would you forget about one.

• 5:32Speaker 04

  That's a good point.

• 5:33Speaker 05

  If you did it like five or six times, you'd be like, oh, I gotta make sure I clean up all my camera towels, my little tissues. Oh, if I got it on his pillow, I gotta flip the pillowcase or something like that. And then you just forgot about it.

• 5:43Mark Gagnon?

  Flipped the pillow.

• 5:44Speaker 05

  You know he's fucking jerking off in my bed 100%. 100%.

• 5:48Speaker 06

  If you flip it, it's like a new pillow. For real.

• 5:50Mark Gagnon?

  See? And y'all called me mad for going on the fucking carpet in that hotel.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  That is repulsive, babe.

• 5:56Speaker 06

  Because you don't even know who's going in there. I know one person's going in there.

• 5:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's fucked up. I did to strangers, you just did to your friend.

• 6:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly.

• 6:03Speaker 05

  Isn't that crazy? I don't think we've talked about this enough.

• 6:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, right.

• 6:07Speaker 05

  Like, it's just hitting me again, like, what happened? To just drop a load.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  You were in a more savage place in your life back then, and I don't think you fully processed how fucked up it was.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  I know.

• 6:16Speaker 06

  But you're not mad about Miles jerking off in the studio?

• 6:19Speaker 05

  You know, it's interesting.

• 6:22Speaker 05

  I, uh, because we did find the lube here. We all remember this story.

• 6:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:27Speaker 05

  Right? And, you know, obviously there's somebody here with, uh, an extraneous circumstance.

• 6:32Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:32Speaker 05

  You know, that they have to use lube.

• 6:35Speaker 06

  Terminal gay.

• 6:38Speaker 06

  Wait, what are you talking about? Are you talking about Miles is terminal gay?

• 6:40Speaker 05

  No, not that at all. And I think they've

• 6:43Speaker 06

  Wait, David's terminal gay?

• 6:44Speaker 05

  No, none of them are terminally gay.

• 6:46Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 6:47Speaker 05

  I mean, I guess you can make the argument that like, if you're gay, you die.

• 6:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, everyone's dying.

• 6:51Speaker 05

  Everybody's dying. So heterosexuality, homosexuality, both terminal illnesses.

• 6:55Speaker 06

  Good point.

• 6:56Speaker 05

  100%. But, uh, but yeah, there was some lube around here and I thought that somebody was having sex in the studio. I did think that was happening. I thought you were doing it with that girl from Athens, the Greek girl from Athens. I thought you were bringing her to the studio and I thought you were doing unthinkable things. Not Athens, Georgia.

• 7:11Speaker 06

  I thought you meant, I was like, dude, I don't know what we're talking about.

• 7:14Speaker 05

  I'm thinking, I mean, second girl from Georgia, there's black women there. Miles, with what we know about you, you're going right to the source. European whites, blonde hair, blue eyes.

• 7:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, true.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 7:24Speaker 05

  Okay?

• 7:25Speaker 06

  No, I was having, I was not having sex in the studio. But that would be smart. It's homeless, fuck a waitress, now she brings free food.

• 7:34Speaker 05

  Mmm, god damn, that would have been.

• 7:37Speaker 06

  I was doing a lot of lay games at that time, just trying to sleep anywhere.

• 7:41Speaker 04

  Why were you homeless here, though? I don't understand.

• 7:43Speaker 06

  It was between two apartments.

• 7:46Speaker 04

  Well, how long?

• 7:48Speaker 06

  45 days.

• 7:49Speaker 04

  Again?

• 7:50Speaker 06

  No, I was. That was at the time. I was homeless for 45 days.

• 7:52Speaker 04

  Twice? The first time in Brooklyn, 45 days. Second time here, how long?

• 7:57Speaker 06

  We were overlapping the leases at this studio and the old studio, so I was bouncing between them. Oh, you were living large? Living large. Two places.

• 8:03Speaker 05

  Two places.

• 8:04Speaker 06

  Two places.

• 8:05Speaker 05

  I had two places.

• 8:05Speaker 06

  You guys are blaming me.

• 8:06Speaker 05

  You guys are blaming me.

• 8:07Speaker 06

  This guy.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  We're not blaming you.

• 8:09Speaker 06

  He had two apartments.

• 8:10Speaker 05

  Mark said, he's like, you have two places to stay.

• 8:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's got so many spots. And I say, hey, come over. He goes, no, it's fine. I got my own place. I want to have women over all the time.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  No, that's not true.

• 8:18Speaker 06

  Landering.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  That's an out.

• 8:19Speaker 06

  He has dozens of women.

• 8:21Speaker 05

  You think that he would bring women back to your house to step in other guys' pumps? Do you know how masculine that is? A girl goes to the bathroom to wash off.

• 8:29Speaker 06

  Yeah. How do you think I feel listening to this guy banging headboards all night? I'm trying to sleep.

• 8:33Speaker 05

  There's no headboards in this studio, Mark.

• 8:36Speaker 06

  I don't even have a headboard at my own apartment. That's how I know I'm sort of

• 8:40Speaker 05

  Headboard is overrated. What are we thinking, this headboard thing?

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Women make us

• 8:43Speaker 06

  Wait, wait, wait. No, it's not.

• 8:45Speaker 05

  What do you get out of a headboard?

• 8:47Speaker 06

  It just doesn't look like you're fucking OnlyFans girl.

• 8:51Speaker 05

  Tell me.

• 8:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, like if you just have a bed and nothing.

• 8:54Speaker 05

  I just have a bed and nothing.

• 8:57Speaker 06

  You might have another career we don't know about.

• 9:01Speaker 06

  No, women forces get headboards. That is true.

• 9:03Speaker 05

  My wife didn't. We don't have a headboard.

• 9:05Speaker 06

  Be a nice bed.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, they make it class up the joint. That's like a thing.

• 9:09Speaker 05

  I got it. Okay. Yeah, it looks objectively better.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  Things on the walls. Yeah.

• 9:14Speaker 06

  I have no art and no headboard. I'm sort of, I'm drinking orange juice out of the carton, feeling real good about like being a bachelor right now. You want this guy to stay in your place?

• 9:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. When you're like, can I be honest? Does it bother you at all?

• 9:25Speaker 06

  What?

• 9:26Speaker 05

  That you didn't let Miles stay and we tease you about it?

• 9:30Speaker 06

  Yeah. It bothers me that Miles is hurt.

• 9:34Speaker 05

  That's, that's my favorite answer. It's my favorite answer.

• 9:39Speaker 05

  It's just like, it bothers me that he thinks something bad happened to me.

• 9:44Speaker 05

  I think nothing bad.

• 9:45Speaker 06

  But if Miles says it's okay, then it turns out I feel great.

• 9:52Speaker 06

  Look, it's all very hazy. Okay, it was a different time. I was abusing a lot of substances. I don't really remember everything. All right? I was going through a lot.

• 10:00Speaker 05

  What were you abusing at that time?

• 10:01Speaker 06

  A lot of, a lot of coffee. That's when I first started drinking coffee.

• 10:03Speaker 05

  Ah, yes, yes, yes. Sugar. There was a lot of sugar going on.

• 10:06Speaker 06

  I was doing a lot of sugar, COVID.

• 10:08Speaker 05

  A lot of Jesus crackers or something like that.

• 10:09Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly.

• 10:10Speaker 05

  High off, high off the Jesus or something.

• 10:12Speaker 06

  It was a dark time in my life and I wasn't a good, a good enough friend in my.

• 10:15Speaker 05

  Are there places that have better wafers than others? Like are certain churches known for like a good wafer?

• 10:21Speaker 06

  I don't think so.

• 10:21Speaker 04

  I think they buy them in mass.

• 10:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:28Speaker 06

  But yeah, no, it's all, it's all standardized.

• 10:30Speaker 05

  So there's just one wafer. Nobody throws a little extra sugar in there?

• 10:33Speaker 04

  What does it taste like? Cause we're not allowed to eat it actually. I have to.

• 10:35Speaker 06

  That's true. Yeah.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  I got told I wasn't. I went to church with a buddy and I, I guess I didn't, I didn't know if I was a.

• 10:42Speaker 06

  You didn't do communion?

• 10:43Speaker 05

  I didn't know if I had communion.

• 10:45Speaker 04

  But when you go up there, you have to do this if you're not Catholic. So like you're not allowed.

• 10:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  You're going to hell. Like you don't know you're at this church. I need you to know you're going to hell.

• 10:52Speaker 06

  Even if you're Catholic, if you're not in a state of grace, if you committed a mortal sin, you haven't got a confession, you can't take it.

• 10:58Speaker 05

  Oh, so if you haven't confessed, you can't take.

• 11:00Speaker 04

  What's a mortal sin? You killed somebody?

• 11:02Speaker 06

  You killed someone.

• 11:03Speaker 05

  Had impure thoughts?

• 11:05Speaker 06

  No, if you like acted on them. Sex outside of marriage would be considered.

• 11:09Speaker 05

  What about leaving your best friend homeless for 45 days?

• 11:12Speaker 06

  I think the priest would look into it.

• 11:13Speaker 05

  Yeah?

• 11:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What, what kind of friend? You know?

• 11:17Speaker 05

  Oh, I heard a good street joke. No bedboard. What about when you pound town, you never wanna like? No, I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. Sometimes it... I'm married. My wife has been pregnant for the last four years.

• 11:33Speaker 05

  There's no grab onto a headboard and go to pound town. It's like, are you recovered yet? Oh, you are? Okay, let's get the doctor to put something else in there.

• 11:43Speaker 05

  The last five years of my life, I played no role in putting babies in my wife. Yeah.

• 11:47Speaker 06

  Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy?

• 11:49Speaker 05

  I mean, I don't even think I sent a text to the doctor like, yo, thanks for this family, bro. Yo, you gotta shout out in the special.

• 11:57Speaker 04

  That's nice. That's something.

• 11:59Speaker 05

  I know, I didn't even use his real name. I should have, right? Like, I don't know, I thought that maybe he wanted his privacy.

• 12:07Speaker 06

  I can see that.

• 12:08Speaker 05

  What if my kid goes up and shoots a school? Do you know what I mean?

• 12:13Speaker 06

  It's on his conscience.

• 12:14Speaker 05

  That's actually okay. We hope that that didn't happen.

• 12:17Speaker 04

  No, it's okay to bring guns to school. It's not peaceful protest.

• 12:20Speaker 05

  That is...

• 12:20Speaker 04

  As long as you don't do that, you're good money, dude.

• 12:23Speaker 05

  Exactly. And the teachers should also have guns, but if you're protesting, yeah, you can't do it.

• 12:28Speaker 06

  Miles, can I make this up to you? Can you stay at my house now?

• 12:30Speaker 04

  No.

• 12:31Speaker 05

  No, I'm so late. No, because it's not needed now.

• 12:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:34Speaker 06

  So you only need me when you need me, huh?

• 12:35Speaker 05

  Desperately allergic to cats also, so I can't do it. Oh, yeah, there was some other...

• 12:39Speaker 06

  We had a cat at the time.

• 12:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:40Speaker 06

  All right, that's fair.

• 12:43Speaker 06

  Thank goodness he didn't stay.

• 12:45Speaker 05

  I think Mark has, Mark has thought about this. No, no, I think, I think he's thought about this and I think he feels fine with his decision. I don't think it bothers him.

• 12:53Speaker 04

  I've told you, if Mark wasn't religious, he would be a like sociopathic, super powerful, super rich, evil. He'd be Lex Luthor.

• 13:02Speaker 06

  Possible. I'm already a piece of shit and I'm doing my best.

• 13:05Speaker 05

  Why are you, why are you a piece of shit?

• 13:07Speaker 04

  Well, his friends are homeless and he makes them sleep.

• 13:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's that for sure.

• 13:10Speaker 05

  Spends a lot of time outside of the house instead of being a father.

• 13:13Speaker 06

  There's that.

• 13:15Speaker 04

  Damn, are we just bad? Hanging on Mark today? What the hell is going on?

• 13:17Speaker 06

  No, we're friends.

• 13:19Speaker 04

  Things were, yeah.

• 13:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's how it happens, dude. They love you.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  You just notice things over the

• 13:22Speaker 06

  I'm not, like, who's a great guy? You know what I mean?

• 13:25Speaker 04

  Alex is a great guy.

• 13:26Speaker 06

  No, I'm a

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Fantastic guy. No one in the studio is a great guy.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  He's got a gay podcast studio that he's expanding around the world.

• 13:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:35Speaker 06

  That's for all the years of homophobia.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  He's making up for the night.

• 13:40Speaker 06

  He's a tone?

• 13:41Speaker 05

  You gotta give these gay people voices.

• 13:44Speaker 06

  I was giving them wedgies all the time.

• 13:47Speaker 05

  They should be able to speak about it. Yeah, you gotta give a pod to like, somebody you bullied in high school.

• 13:52Speaker 06

  Oh, that would be funny. Actually, I never bullied.

• 13:56Speaker 05

  Really?

• 13:57Speaker 06

  Yeah. You were accidentally bullied? I tripped a kid one time and then I felt really bad about it. Really? Yeah. Like, he was like, running down the hallway and I was like, oh, this is gonna be so good.

• 14:07Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 14:07Speaker 06

  And then he went fly.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Big backpack, too? Backpack comes over the head.

• 14:12Speaker 06

  Did you apologize? I did, I did, I did. I was really, I felt bad about it.

• 14:15Speaker 05

  When the kids get the backpack with the wheels, are the parents not involved in that? Are they not going like, dude, you're gonna be fucking ripped apart in school? Like, I think about that.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  I only knew one dude with a backpack with wheels and it was the tight end on the football team, 6'2 black guy.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  So you're not saying nothing?

• 14:30Speaker 04

  He would just roll around the college campus.

• 14:32Speaker 05

  That's kinda swag now. If you're some little white nerd and you got a backpack with wheels in it, it's like, yeah, you're gonna go through hell.

• 14:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  And the parents should know, they should be aware of it. They're like, this is a bad decision for you socially.

• 14:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, but when you're a kid and you want something, your parent, you just wanna make your kid happy. Also, weird kids oftentimes have kind of weird parents.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  That's true, that's true.

• 14:53Speaker 06

  I didn't realize this until like, I went to my weird friend's house and I was like, oh, your parents are also kind of dorks. You know, and I was like, oh, this all makes sense.

• 15:00Speaker 05

  What happened, without saying names?

• 15:02Speaker 06

  I mean, just like, he was just kind of like, my dorky friend. And I went over to his house and then his parents also Miles is right, yeah. Miles was a dork, dude. Miles was never a dork. But actually, that doesn't check out, because his dad is super swaggy.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Miles also huge dick, remember the, when everybody in the high school found out?

• 15:19Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was swinging the hammer, dude. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Reason number 10 not to stay in my place. There's no room. Also confirmed he gets out the shower. I know. Oh my goodness dude.

• 15:31Speaker 04

  She only seen one.

• 15:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, he slips on semen, thing flies out, hits him in the head. You can't risk that. She's like, they come that big? Yeah, exactly. You can't risk that. That would be rough.

• 15:41Speaker 05

  You ever have your girl talk about the size of your dick and then you look at her like, "Man, you ain't seen dicks before."

• 15:52Speaker 05

  Your girl's giving you compliments, you're like, "Man, I gotta keep her on brass this, man."

• 15:57Speaker 06

  She does not know what is out there. She does not know. Yeah. It's like the Native Americans who've never seen a ship. You know what I mean? They're just staring off in the distance, like, "Is that a UFO?" Like, that's, like, isn't it, thank God? Out of respect for men, I feel like I need to correct the record. Okay. I wanna like pull up a video and be like, "Nah, this is, this is a piece." I tell, I tell my wife, "It's AI."

• 16:21Speaker 06

  I tell her, "It's AI." I'm like, "Nah, man, you can't believe that, that's Sora." That's, no way that's a real dick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy right there. Oh my God. What would you even do with all that? What would you even fucking do with all that? Oh, that's smart. That's crazy. Yeah. That would fucking hurt you. Dick like that? But then... That might get you pregnant naturally.

• 16:45Speaker 06

  You can't be around dicks like that, you out of your fucking mind? What's wrong with you?

• 16:50Speaker 04

  Like the sperm barely have to swim.

• 16:53Speaker 06

  It's there. They just gotta jump over. Yeah. Remember when Jack and Titanic got onto the ship, he did that little leap? That's all you gotta do. Yeah, it is dangerous. It is dangerous. We gotta start that campaign, like, big pieces are dangerous. Well, didn't the fucking, who was it, the Greeks or the Romans did that? Oh, yeah. What was it, which one was it?

• 17:13Speaker 04

  I thought it was the Greeks, but maybe I'm wrong.

• 17:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, where like, they tried to do, they tried to gaslight women into thinking small dicks were more masculine. Yep.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  God, what a time that would have been for me.

• 17:22Speaker 06

  But like, this is, this is the beauty of propaganda.

• 17:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:25Speaker 06

  Like, we, we forget that sometimes propaganda works for us.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:29Speaker 06

  Yeah. Like, when the government's on your side, when the king has a little dick, and he's like, "These big dick motherfuckers are hooligans." They're like beasts, you don't want them around. Michelangelo's David, can we pull up David? David, real quick.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Why, does he just have a regular one?

• 17:43Speaker 06

  Yeah. A regular one?

• 17:45Speaker 05

  He got a little one.

• 17:46Speaker 06

  He has a little one?

• 17:47Speaker 05

  He's got big hands, and they say it's because he's afraid and he's staring at.

• 17:50Speaker 06

  Goliath.

• 17:51Speaker 05

  Goliath. And that like it's a fear.

• 17:53Speaker 06

  Oh, so his dick shriveled up?

• 17:54Speaker 04

  Nah, nah, hold on, hold on.

• 17:55Speaker 05

  No, they're saying that's a fear response.

• 17:56Speaker 06

  This is the supreme man, alright? This is what, this is what men are supposed to look like.

• 18:01Speaker 05

  His hands and feet are twice the size of the average man, and his penis is.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  God, that'd be a horrible fate, dude.

• 18:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  My shit matches. You know what I mean? But if I had big hands, I'd be like this. I'd feel, I'd feel horrible. I once asked a girl, "Do I have big dick energy?" She said, "No." I said, "Thank God."

• 18:28Speaker 06

  That is a good ass point. Big dick energy can backfire.

• 18:33Speaker 06

  Little dick energy and then surprise is probably better. Exactly. Like, the Asian with a regular dick. That's huge. Probably gets the best reaction from the girl that they're hooking up with.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:45Speaker 06

  Because they're going in, whereas like the black dude with a regular dick, it's a disappointment. Yeah. Like every, when they see your shit is only like eight inches and three quarters of an inch. Right, they're like, "That's it?" "That's all I got, that was all I got."

• 19:00Speaker 04

  Disappointed. That shit is wild, dude.

• 19:02Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah, stay at the base.

• 19:07Speaker 06

  Why your dick running daycares, bro?

• 19:11Speaker 06

  Tell your dick to stop the daycare for all of us.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  Have a big ass forehead.

• 19:19Speaker 06

  But this, this is the supreme man. Alright, let's see it.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  Today I learned ancient Greeks preferred small penises as it was thought a man with a large penis was a barbarous half-animal with no self-control, while a man with a small penis was smarter and closer to the wisdom of the gods.

• 19:34Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 19:37Speaker 06

  Let's go. And that got the foreskin on it, that's crazy. Yeah, it's adding half.

• 19:42Speaker 04

  Like a very groomed pubic hair.

• 19:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, he shaved.

• 19:46Speaker 06

  He got edged up.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  A clean line up, dude.

• 19:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, man, Greeks, man, you tried it. That shit probably worked for a few hundred years, too. Probably. Mm-hmm. Like, big dick dudes were like tucking.

• 20:01Speaker 06

  Just out of sheer fear that people, someone would think they were part animal. They're selling supplements, like dude, this will make your shit shrink immediately.

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• 21:35Speaker 06

  All right, let's do it. Let's talk about what happened in Minneapolis. ICE murdered an American citizen in cold blood, and then the Trump administration called him a domestic terrorist.

• 21:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:45Speaker 06

  That's it.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:46Speaker 06

  Like, plain and simple.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:48Speaker 06

  I see the administration trying to spin it. And it's fucking disgusting. It's like, they didn't even have a moment where they're like, hey, we're reviewing the footage, we're gonna try to see what's really happening. All of them, Trump and all the cronies, put out collective statements that immediately blamed an American citizen that was exercising his First and Second Amendment rights. Right? He has a right to protest, he has a right to carry a firearm, he's a legal gun owner, right? There's no question about this whatsoever. And the administration immediately comes out, and they try to gaslight the public, which you cannot do when we have 15 different videos of what happened.

• 22:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 22:22Speaker 06

  And, um...

• 22:23Speaker 05

  What they do though. But that is what they do. Yeah. And, and I think that governments have probably been doing this for centuries, millennia. And now you have a public that is armed with phones and we can see what actually fucking happened. And you're not going to just lie to us, plain and simple like that. And, um, yeah, it just, I mean, to me, it's like, you can have, first of all, I know we've had Trump on the podcast. I know there's probably people like you guys are the last ones that I want to hear talk about this. I, I don't think any of us are having this conversation to like curry any like goodwill or, you know, get, get people to like us or something like that. This is something that is undeniably abhorrent and we should be called out, simple as that. Like it's disgusting.

• 23:01Speaker 06

  I get the frustration. People are like, oh, but you guys were with them, da, da, da. It's like, yeah, I get it.

• 23:05Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. I get it. Again, if you never want to watch another thing again, because we have Trump on that is, that is totally fine. Respect it. I, I completely get it. You're a hundred percent allowed to be frustrated.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  We made that decision knowing it was open to criticism. All right, there it is.

• 23:17Speaker 05

  No knock on any criticism. That being said, like moving forward, we don't just like stay silent when something has this. Like if we do have a platform, there's people that we're talking to, you know, and we see something that is just so blatant. There's, there's no like partisan bullshit with this. If you see it with your own eyes, you know exactly what happened. And there's something disgusting that's happening, not only in Minneapolis, I'm sure it's happening in other parts of the United States where it's ICE is under the guise of security, right? Under the guise of safety, because that's what they're doing, right? Is every time something horrific happens, they keep going, but look at the pedophiles we got. Look at the murderers we got. Look at all the violent criminals we got. I looked at the numbers. It's 5% of the people they deported are violent criminals. Yes.

• 23:58Speaker 04

  There's probably more pedophiles in the Oval Office.

• 24:00Speaker 05

  Yes, exactly. No, exactly. If you bring up another fucking pedophile about deporting and you're not releasing the Epstein list, just shut the fuck up, all of you. Yes. I don't want to hear anything else about, oh, we gotta deport the pedophiles. They're right here. They're right here. There are a list of them and you're not exposing it. And this is the thing that we've been asking for even before Trump was in office. Anyway, point being is you see this act and then you see ICE and the way that ICE is operating, right? With. I mean masked guys.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  Those are a little Gestapo-ish.

• 24:33Speaker 05

  It, it, I, 100%. Like, I heard people bringing it up and like, sometimes people are trying to go like, "Oh, you're exaggerating." No, no, no. You have to understand. It's like you have a government enforced militia with no accountability.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  Poor training.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  Inexperience, poor training. Obviously, you saw from this circumstance, no effort to de-escalate. If anything, efforts to escalate the situation. And, yes, it's absolutely, it's absolutely disgusting. And then when you see the administration defend it, you go, "Well, where will the accountability ever come from? This is a government enforced agency and the government is backing them immediately without even reviewing the tapes, saying that they did nothing wrong." So you have guys that you don't know their names, you don't know what they look like, that the government is backing with impunity. What do you think is gonna happen? More of this is gonna happen? Yeah.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Joey's from Minneapolis, obviously. He was saying they have more ICE officials or whatever than they do law enforcement, like actual police officers in Minneapolis and St. Paul. And apparently, they have a quota of people and that's why they're in such a rush to arrest as many people as possible.

• 25:35Speaker 05

  They're doing things that objectively, objectively, I don't care which side of the aisle you're on, objectively are unconstitutional. So no matter which side of the aisle, you would like to uphold the Constitution a little bit, right? Like, you can't go enter someone's home without a warrant and not some like federal administrative bullshit warrant that they're trying to like skirt around it. Yeah. You cannot enter someone's own without an actual warrant. I think it's like the fourth judicial, fourth, the judicial amendment, fourth, or judicial- It's the Fourth Amendment. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, and they're just entering homes. Dude, I saw them arrest somebody for having an accent. And the ICE agent that arrested him had an accent. Did you see that video? And the guy was like, "You got an accent too?"

• 26:17Speaker 05

  And it was just like, you're seeing, he said, there, I mean, obviously, you've heard of the situation of them deporting legal residents. Yep. Like, we, at a certain point in time, and I think this is why there is zero support for this. I think it's important to speak up because I've spoken to a lot of people who are seeing it and they think it's abhorrent. And they go- I just, I don't know if I feel comfortable talking about it. I don't know if they feel like exposure to Trump or whatever like that. I think those are the moments where you gotta speak up, especially because. Kim, you see how Trump moves. It's like, hey, you speak up, you're out. Alright, then you're out. Who gives a fuck? And that's the problem. Everybody in his administration wants to be there. Well, then, I'm not even talking about people in the administration. I'm just talking about regular people that were sympathetic to, you know, some of the immigration reform that Trump was talking about.

• 26:59Speaker 05

  And then are realizing, no, this is not what they wanted at all. And now they're just kind of quiet because they're worried about like getting licks or getting, you know, public lashings or criticism on the internet. That's what you do. Get it. Get it. And anybody who wants to criticize us for platforming, 100%, that is fair. 100%. But that doesn't mean you just stay quiet. Like if you see something that you look at and you're like, I don't think this is America that I want to live in. And which is the sentiment of everybody right now. There are a few like ideologues in the internet that are trying to defend this. I'm sure you guys have seen it. Yeah. But I think the majority of Americans are looking at this and they're going, this is not a country that we believe that we are. And we can't continue to support stuff like this. And I think it's important to talk about it. Oh yeah, I'm just gonna give you pushback. I don't think the criticism that we're getting for having Trump on is fair.

• 27:44Speaker 05

  Because one, we've had people from both sides of the aisle and it's like, we've never been a podcast that's like, hey, you should listen and do what we say or tell you to do. We're just curious guys who wanted to have a conversation with the guy running for office, running for presidency. We wanted to have Kamala on as well. So it's like, that criticism, I don't think it's fair. They're just, because we had him on and now they're like, oh, everything bad he's doing, we're attributing that to you just because you had him on. And I don't think that's fair at all. Because that's not what you wanted. If he came in here and said like, oh, hey, we're going to forcefully remove all of these illegal immigrants the way that they're doing it, we wouldn't be for them. And it would have been a lot of pushback.

• 28:27Speaker 05

  I mean, we specifically pushed back. I specifically told them, I was like, dude, you hired illegals. Like I was taken care of by a legal, it's like, let's have a pathway decisions or let's have some empathy. And he's like, we're going after the criminals and maybe I naively believed that he would do that. But it's very clear, like just by the numbers that that's not what's happening. Yeah. And they're using this bullshit of like, we want to make sure you guys are safe and secure. How is this more safe? Tell me how this is more.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  I don't feel any safer, walking in any downtown of any city I perform in. It doesn't feel any safer.

• 28:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's also, it bugs me when there's like a false dichotomy where people are like, yeah, dude, but you can't just let like the borders be completely open. So this has to happen. It's like, well, there was a time when, you know, people were coming in illegally and then they were deported humanely. And that I think there is a way to do both, right? Like Obama deported people that was done with civility and like, keeping human integrity intact. Whereas this seems like it's intentionally cruel.

• 29:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, and intentionally chaotic.

• 29:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, like, like, I don't know if, if someone comes in illegally and like, you know, they get caught and then they get deported. It's like, I think most people are like, yeah, you know, kind of, you know, GGS.

• 29:32Speaker 05

  And they, and they were aware of that risk when they came illegally.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  Right. And again, I don't want it to happen. I wouldn't want it to happen to my friends. Like, I think what ICE is doing is awful. But again, it's the cruelty and like, that cruelty is a feature of the system.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  And it seems to be rewarded by the administration.

• 29:45Speaker 06

  Right, exactly.

• 29:46Speaker 05

  At bare minimum defended.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 05

  With zero reflection or accountability. I, I was shocked that they each echoed the exact same sentiment. Not a single one of them was like, hey, we have to look at the footage. Immediate knee jerk reaction. It was like a group text went out like, hey, show strength.

• 30:01Speaker 04

  That is exactly what happened. That group signal text went out. Guarantee you.

• 30:05Speaker 06

  And that's the most concerning thing to me because like, we can see in like the line of duty, like shit happens, right? Like.

• 30:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't think the ICE officers are going out, how can we shoot an American citizen today?

• 30:16Speaker 06

  Right. I mean, yeah, I think, I think they're going out to like intimidate people, but like as far as like killing goes, I don't know. But as far as like the, the recourse that happens after an event like this, you would hope that there's going to be some type of fair third party investigation and holding people accountable, right?

• 30:29Speaker 04

  The Trump, the grossest part of the Trump.

• 30:31Speaker 06

  Like that's what you want to happen. You want to happen.

• 30:33Speaker 05

  The grossest part of it. Seen his first administration, he doesn't like being held accountable for anything.

• 30:37Speaker 06

  Right.

• 30:38Speaker 05

  And I don't think it's any different.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  The part that got me in a statement was immediately deflecting to Ilhan Omar and how she has so much money, which is a thing. But like someone is dead and then within two sentences, you're trying to deflect onto Ilhan Omar, being crooked with money, which I do, I, I think she probably is.

• 30:51Speaker 05

  Look into that too.

• 30:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, this ain't the fucking time in the same statement.

• 30:55Speaker 05

  But just as you want accountability for her, if that is fucked up. If it is crooked, then we want accountability for this.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 05

  And accountability for her is not accountability for this.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's fucked up, man. It's just horrendous.

• 31:07Speaker 06

  And by all accounts, he seemed like a good guy. Like, he's literally like, like a gun owner. He's a, like, as far as like the American sort of like stereotype goes, like, he's working with veterans, a legal gun owner, protesting, doing all the right things.

• 31:22Speaker 04

  Probably voted for Trump if we just look at the facts.

• 31:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  This guy's supporting veterans. He, again, legal gun owner, which in and of itself, usually, that's a single-issue thing.

• 31:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  So it's like, you got no sympathy for one of your own?

• 31:35Speaker 05

  I guess Trump is taking away your Second Amendment, man. Yo, you saw him say that. I think one of them said, I forget who, it's like, why would you take a gun to a protest? Yup.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  And I've seen this all over the internet, but people are like, where was the same energy with Kyle Rittenhouse?

• 31:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:48Speaker 05

  No problem when he took a fucking AK to the protest. Yup. So, which I think is incredibly fair argument.

• 31:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, um, yeah, even talking to like my conservative friends, it's like, imagine in the future, which this probably wouldn't happen because I just don't see it being like a feature of the Democrat Party, but like, imagine two cycles from now, you have a, you know, Democratic president that's like, hey, we want to make sure every gun owner in America has, you know, the right paperwork, all the right registration for their weapons.

• 32:15Speaker 05

  Instead of going after illegals, they're going after gun owners.

• 32:18Speaker 06

  But you just want to make sure everyone has the right paperwork. That's all.

• 32:20Speaker 05

  And they're stopping the street. They're like, you look like a gun owner.

• 32:22Speaker 06

  And they're sending masked people around to people's houses that have guns. They're like, hey, we just want to make sure you have all your weapons. Is that cool? Da-da-da. Like, it'd be pandemonium. Like, everyone would be like, why are you doing this?

• 32:30Speaker 05

  You'd be furious. I'd want to push back against that, too.

• 32:33Speaker 06

  I don't want to live in a country where you just have like masked agents going around, like, checking people and rounding people up.

• 32:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, but because it's happening to brown people, people voted for it.

• 32:41Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:41Speaker 05

  Like, he said he was gonna do this. Not in the manner that they're doing it, but he did say, hey, I plan to deport as much people as possible. Like, I think that, I think the argument would be like, deporting people that are not legally here in a humane or kind way would be much more digestible than this horrific shit that we're seeing.

• 33:05Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:06Speaker 05

  And...

• 33:08Speaker 05

  Not saying that those people that are reported couldn't then get legal status at another time. Me personally, I would rather a pathway to citizenship. But if somebody goes, hey, we need a strong border and we should have laws, and if you enter the country illegally, you should be removed and then try to re-enter legally. If somebody said that, I wouldn't go, you're crazy.

• 33:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. And Fareed Zakaria, who is a liberal who I think is awesome, came on here and said, yeah, the Democrats gave asylum to too many people. It was just like a very easy excuse to get, and we just let everybody get asylum. We shouldn't have done that. So again, I don't, I don't think what was going on before was good. But what is going on now is so undeniably bad. And I don't know if you remember, like, five years ago, we were talking about police reform during COVID. And I was like, there, if this was happening to white people, it would get a much different response. And I think Black Lives Matter should highlight the times when there was like, police abuse or whatever toward a white person, a US citizen. And I think that's part of why you're seeing so much outrage. And I think that's the one silver lining of this thing, is you're seeing abuse to US citizens, white dudes. And it

• 34:06Speaker 04

  does, it hits people differently when they look like you. That's just what it is. If the guy looks like, you're not a bad person for feeling this way. When you see yourself reflected in a guy that's a victim that's getting brutalized, it hits you differently. And that's the one, like, kind of silver lining of this very dark cloud is like, oh, now you're seeing it happen to everybody. It happens to everybody. And now maybe we should do something.

• 34:27Speaker 05

  I mean, like, couldn't you, just think about, like, if your face was shown on all those videos that are out there, if your, you know, name tag was present, if your badge number was there, wouldn't you act differently?

• 34:39Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 34:40Speaker 05

  And if it wasn't, you know, if you were a completely anonymous human being, you would also act differently. And we have to accept that, given these circumstances and given the support, and I would even say, like, the push of the administration to behave in a certain way, you're just gonna get more of this if you don't change it. Like, this doesn't stop today. If they don't change it drastically, we'll just have more and more of this. Plain and simple.

• 35:04Speaker 06

  And it's probably safer for federal agents, right? Like, if they have their body cam, and they're accountable to the law, they're gonna operate in a way that's gonna not get them caught up in shit like this. So I'm like, I feel like it's just better for everyone if you are operating within the law. I mean, I feel like that's kind of dumb that you even have to say it.

• 35:24Speaker 05

  No, say it. I just think it's important to say. I think it's important for us to say. And it's like, yeah, I just say, yeah. How do we get the current administration to stop?

• 35:35Speaker 06

  conducting themselves in the manner that they're doing it right now.

• 35:37Speaker 05

  Well, I think that protest is the way to do it. I think you're already seeing them start to back off from it. But Trump said, Trump's gonna fire, maybe he might fire fucking, I mean, he'll be.

• 35:48Speaker 06

  I think Bavino already got swapped for.

• 35:50Speaker 05

  So Bavino got swapped, Holman's going in, maybe he fires Noem or somebody, somebody's gonna have to take the fall for it. And I think that there, he said, he's like, I had a great call with Waltz, the guy who called retarded for the last three months. He goes, I had a great call with Waltz and it looks like we're on the same page and. But this is the example and the power of respectful protests.

• 36:10Speaker 06

  Another thing you do is vote and like.

• 36:12Speaker 05

  That's the other thing, midterms are coming up, they're gonna get absolutely washed in the midterms. If they even try to defend this or continue to defend this and continue these, right, they're gonna get, they were already gonna get smoked and it's gonna be a fucking bloodbath if this continues. It's not popular. Have you met one person, like an actual human being, not some like ideologue on the internet, like an actual human being that goes, yes, this is exactly what I wanted?

• 36:34Speaker 04

  I haven't, but we're also in a fairly liberal place.

• 36:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't have too many conservative friends. I mean, I reached out to like my people that are conservative, like ideologues, but also just like random, you know, like dads that live in Florida and shit. And even they were like, yeah, this is not a good, like, this is not what I want.

• 36:51Speaker 04

  Will the bad sentiment last 10 more months? Midterms are in 10 months.

• 36:54Speaker 06

  The thing is though, I feel like they already know that the midterms are lost. And that, I mean, this is like now conspiracy land, but I'm like, is this a push to be like, hey, this whole country's in disarray, martial law, we gotta cancel the midterms. It's corrupt, yada, yada. Oh, my God. Like, I know this is crazy, but I'm like.

• 37:11Speaker 04

  I think that would get met with crazy uproar.

• 37:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, but. Wait, he could do it.

• 37:17Speaker 05

  This is also gonna cause a shutdown, probably. There's like a.

• 37:20Speaker 06

  Over the ICE funding?

• 37:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's ICE funding bill that's gonna be pushed there in the next like 10 to 15 days, depending on snow and a few other things. And this will probably.

• 37:28Speaker 06

  A shutdown. So like that will dramatically affect how this administration navigates that.

• 37:34Speaker 05

  You know, it's, it's, it's really unfortunate because like Trump has this unbelievable ability to take a bipartisan supported issue and make it into a culture war. Like it's, he's unique in his ability to take something that everybody supports and then make it divide everybody right down the middle. This one isn't even divided down the middle. I feel like most rational people are like, this is fucked up. This got to stop. This is not the America we want to live in. But like, if he literally just came out and did exactly what he was saying on, on the pod with us, which was, we're going to deport the criminals. I don't know a single American that would push back on that. I'm sure there would be people, but if they're like, we're going to go deport, we have, they're arrested, they're in jail currently, they're waiting trial. There are people that have committed crimes and they're still illegal, but they're back on the streets. If he just sent those people back,

• 38:18Speaker 05

  do you think that there would be culture war about this? Do you think there would be mass protests?

• 38:22Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think so, but like you said, it was only 5% of the people that's been deported. So then his numbers would look low and it will look like not as.

• 38:28Speaker 05

  Like he's not doing the job?

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Is that why they're just deporting everybody just so the numbers look good for him?

• 38:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Why Minnesota? Why is he going to Minnesota? Is there something?

• 38:35Mark Gagnon?

  He's went everywhere.

• 38:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:37Mark Gagnon?

  He's talked to a bunch of places.

• 38:38Speaker 06

  But I think Minnesota specifically just had the most confrontations.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 38:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:42Mark Gagnon?

  But a lot of.

• 38:43Speaker 06

  That's my interpretation at least.

• 38:44Mark Gagnon?

  It's also a lot of blue states.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  That, okay. That's what I was wondering.

• 38:48Speaker 05

  No, I would, I would probably make the argument that the blue states are more often like sanctuary cities. Where they're looking out to protect the illegal immigrants that are there.

• 38:56Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, I think there's a lot of illegal immigrants in Arizona.

• 39:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I don't think.

• 39:02Mark Gagnon?

  I'd have to guess.

• 39:02Speaker 05

  I don't think.

• 39:03Mark Gagnon?

  Or Texas.

• 39:03Speaker 05

  This, I don't think the state will protect them as much. I think the state would probably cooperate to get them the fuck up out of there. Whereas in Minneapolis, I think the state is a little bit more empathetic to them. And they're like, no, we don't want you to just do these fucking searches. We don't want you to, we're not going to have law enforcement go support you in these raids. And I think that's where there's going to be some.

• 39:20Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, maybe not the state will push.

• 39:22Speaker 06

  But I think the people, I think the people, when you start taking people that they have connections with like, hey, you may be the home attendant, or you may be whatever, like, I have a relationship with you, and now you're just grabbing this person that that's loved and worked with all this time.

• 39:39Speaker 05

  That's what you gotta think about more like, and it's like, you gotta think about the restaurant that you're going to. Yeah, the guy that works there, you gotta think about your gym and the guy that you see working there like, you gotta think about each one of those people that's being taken away, not the violent criminals, get them the fuck up out of here. But the people that are just being asked on the street, hey, you have an accent, where are your papers?

• 39:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:57Speaker 05

  When you start imagining those people as these people you interface with on your regular everyday life, it just becomes like, just horrendous.

• 40:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's fucked up.

• 40:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:07Speaker 06

  It's fucked up. It's fucked up.

• 40:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I don't have any like real faith in anything they do being out of any kind of goodwill anymore. I was willing to have that in before the election because I felt like liberals, they kind of fuck things up and then they're running Kamala that nobody really supports and they just forced it on us and X, Y, Z. But that got used up pretty quickly and now I don't really think anything they're doing is with any good intention. That's like out the window for me.

• 40:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. So what do you think that they react to? Like, what do you think the way to get them to change course on this?

• 40:36Speaker 04

  The NRA is apparently pretty upset and I think the NRA sends them a lot of money and then that's going to make them react.

• 40:42Speaker 06

  They haven't donated that much in recent times, so they're not as, they don't have as big of a voice as they used to have.

• 40:48Speaker 05

  So then what does Trump react to? Like, what is, what is, does he react to the stock market? Does he react to GDP? Like, what are the, what are the metrics that can be used to make the administration then to the whim of the people?

• 41:01Speaker 06

  I think stock market and popularity.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think if his own people stop buying the BS, then he's like, oh, now I need to find another hustle.

• 41:12Speaker 06

  Like you said, his own people are being quiet.

• 41:15Speaker 05

  They might not agree with what's going on, but they're not loudly talking about how much they disagree. I've seen some dudes who are like, yo, I was at January 6th and this is fucked up. I'm not standing for this, I'm speaking out. The fact you know people at January 6th. I don't know, I'm on fucking, I'm on social media.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  He didn't say I know.

• 41:36Speaker 05

  I thought you were just talking to him. I go to one government protest. No, but like, you know, I've seen these people on.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  We kept in touch.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  On Instagram and I'm like, good for you. Like that's fire because you're standing up for your principles. You're standing up for what you think is right or wrong. Like we might disagree on so many other fucking things, but that's the thing. It's like, I don't need to agree with you on everything. But I need to agree with you on basic right and wrong. This is wrong. There's no way to justify this shit. And I understand that there's like a lot, I understand when these kind of things happen. You know, most people just retreat to a side, right? Because there's security in the side. Some things are so fucking blatant, it's just right or wrong. The side is right or wrong. It doesn't matter whether you're left or right, the side is right or wrong. Nobody's watching this and be like, this is right, this is the America I want to live in.

• 42:20Speaker 04

  Unloading a clip and a US citizen is wrong.

• 42:22Speaker 05

  For exercising his constitutional rights. Like, don't bring up any bullshit. I think fucking, even Cash Patel said something like, why would you bring a gun to a protest, right? Was it him that actually said it? He said that, exactly. It's like, are they not even thinking before they're tweeting these things? No.

• 42:36Speaker 04

  They're just following the company line.

• 42:37Speaker 05

  But the company line would say, you should be able to bring your legal firearm wherever the fuck you want in America. So it's like, they're not even, they're scrambling to defend something that's indefensible to the point where they're willing to rebuke their own constituents.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 42:50Speaker 05

  They're willing to insult their own constituents. Like, how dare you live a constitutional life? How dare you exercise your constitutional rights? You should just do whatever the fuck we tell you to do. Yes. And that's why I wonder when his base is gonna open up and see that this is the play that they've been playing.

• 43:07Speaker 06

  Since.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yes, it is a, it's like, it's, it's, it's an interesting thing because I think that we have like an all time low expectation of government and like, we have an all time low expectation of, of, of faith or trust in government, you know, like government officials enriching themselves on both sides of the aisle, right? So it's like, it's almost like, it's horrible when we see, you know, Trump's family make hundreds of millions of dollars on fucking meme coins. It's horrible when you see Pelosi do it. It's horrible with the nepo baby shit. Like, it's horrible, but for whatever reason, we're almost like desensitized to it because we're so used to it happening.

• 43:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 05

  This feels distinct. This feels different. This feels like something I haven't seen in my lifetime.

• 43:51Speaker 06

  I've never seen this.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  Do you know what I mean? It's like, this isn't like run of the mill political corruption and cronyism.

• 44:00Speaker 06

  And to me, this doesn't feel there. Like during the BLM stuff, like, I feel like cops were killing people and immediately they were trying to turn the person who died into the aggressor and like make them the reason why that situation happened.

• 44:16Speaker 05

  Like Philando Castile.

• 44:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, like, like before an investigation happened, it was like, oh, wait, he sold drugs back in the day, or he's a user or a gang member, something like.

• 44:27Speaker 05

  That's a, that's a fair point.

• 44:28Speaker 06

  So this is not new.

• 44:29Speaker 05

  That's a fair point.

• 44:31Speaker 04

  This guy was white, Alex.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  That's very.

• 44:42Speaker 05

  This is. I've seen this, I'm like, I've seen some folks in Minneapolis, like I've seen them, I've seen like some liberal folks in Minneapolis, you know, said that they were buying guns and they were, you know, wanted to make sure they could defend themselves against tyranny, et cetera. And it's like, again, I'm, I grew up in New York, we weren't allowed to have guns. I don't have any kind of like infatuation with guns, but what?

• 45:06Speaker 06

  No, no, no, you finish your point and then.

• 45:08Speaker 05

  But like, in a weird way, does this highlight, I can't even believe I'm saying it, but like, the importance of an armed republic?

• 45:17Speaker 06

  And you know what's crazy? Because of what just happened? I'm second guessing whether or not I should get the gun that I'm currently applying for.

• 45:25Speaker 05

  Because you're worried that if you had a gun in an altercation like this, it would put yourself in.

• 45:30Speaker 06

  Literally, he was just doing the right thing, coming to this woman's defense.

• 45:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know. That was a crazy thing. The ICE officer, I don't even know if anybody's talking about, like, throws the woman onto the smell.

• 45:40Speaker 06

  Pepper sprays her, like, he's just trying to protect her.

• 45:43Speaker 05

  No, there's no way you do that. What's that?

• 45:45Speaker 06

  The only pushback on that, and I just was reading online, like, sort of things about this. Yeah, because I was reading what I wrote just a second ago, uh, under my burner account. But the, some people, some conciliary people are saying that he should not involve himself in an escalating, uh, thing while armed.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  Go fuck yourself.

• 46:06Speaker 05

  So that's, so that's the argument that we were saying. It's like, okay, what, what would we say to our children? We would say that. We would like, hey, don't involve yourself in, you know, a conflict like that if you are armed. You're raising the stakes. What would we say to any of our friends? Comply with law enforcement. That's what we would say to anybody that we care about, we love, because we want to see them come home at night. That's what we would say.

• 46:24Speaker 06

  But.

• 46:25Speaker 05

  There is a higher expectation that we have for law enforcement.

• 46:27Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 46:28Speaker 05

  And the reality is, is that a lot of these ICE dudes, these aren't like lifers working for ICE. A lot of them have like six weeks of training, so they're undermanned, undertrained, and zero accountability for their actions, and no identity to reflect upon.

• 46:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:45Speaker 05

  You know, it's, it's like.

• 46:46Speaker 06

  And we would tell people, hey, don't get involved, but I know myself, if I saw a wrong happening, I'm going to step in.

• 46:54Speaker 05

  I did that shit and you ended up in prison this weekend. I saw something wrong, I had to step in.

• 46:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, I did that shit and I ended up in prison too. Yeah, we're letting a black man in an establishment.

• 47:04Speaker 05

  Well, next time we're in Ghana, I'll do it again.

• 47:08Speaker 05

  But yeah, so it's.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, he did the noble thing. He did the heroic thing. That's what you hope, that's what you hope your son does in general, but even though the selfish part is like, no, just come home. But if you, if your son did that and survived, he'd be so fucking proud.

• 47:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, like. He also has a medical background. Like, who better to, like, be around, you know what I mean, than someone that actually has, like, a medical training to assist? So that's why I was like, I was really thinking, I was like, holy shit, because I know, once I have it, I'm gonna have it all me.

• 47:35Speaker 05

  Always. So I'm like, fuck, that could be me. Yeah. I mean, that is something to consider, though, like. No, I'm still get it, though.

• 47:45Speaker 05

  Obviously still get it, but it is something that is always concerning. I can imagine like you're carrying a firearm. Things can escalate to death very quickly. Yeah. I think people say that they're like, um, if you own or carry a firearm, the likelihood of you dying by gun goes up. Oh, yeah. Like a significant percentage. Yeah. Now, I think a lot of that might be suicide.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  So I don't know if that like, uh, skews the, the data a bit, but. Yeah. Yeah, it's just horrific. And you want to know some crazy shit? Have you, you know, you know, like, and this is not to get conspiratorial, but it's pretty like blatant. So like the US just takes over TikTok, right? Like Larry Ellison and like a few other people bought it. Yeah. There's been all these people that are like political commentators on TikTok and Instagram that like I follow. Some been very critical of me and us, whatever, but I still follow because I want to know what's going on. All of their political stuff is being throttled to zero views. If you talk about ICE or anything political, if you're even talking about the weather, zero views. You could talk about other bullshit. So, and again, I'm not making some like, ah, China's the best argument, but like, we talked about. We are China, too.

• 48:52Speaker 05

  Like, we were concerned with China controlling TikTok. Yeah. Because it's like they could control the algorithm, what we can or can't see. And it's like the second America gets it, there's no videos about ICE, no videos about the shooting, no videos about political pushback in this, right? And now it was probably advantageous for China if those videos proliferate TikTok, right? Because it's going to cause more unrest in America, et cetera. But it's crazy. The second that we get control of it, it just so happens to be a data outage at a data center. Wow. It just so happens. Yeah. Wow. It just happens. It's the biggest political controversy of the year right now in the United States of America. The biggest social media platform in the world just isn't working. Yeah. Wow. And people's views. They don't even know how to throttle it, right? You throttle it to like a hundred thousand views.

• 49:38Speaker 05

  They throttle that shit to zero. Yeah. That's like Russia. That is like state sanctioned censorship. I don't think they care how it looks. I don't think they care about optics. Well, you saw the, the CBS 60 Minutes thing? They're like, what were we going to do for, uh, did you see this? Yeah. Robbie sent me this tweet. They're like, what are we going to do for 60 minutes this weekend? This is this past Sunday, right? This is this past Sunday. They're like, we're going to do a movie night.

• 50:05Speaker 05

  Now, again, maybe they had this booked weeks in advance and they have to do it according to scheduling. They didn't have a story set up. Like, I'm sure there are other arguments you can make. But it looks incredibly

• 50:15Speaker 06

  Tone deaf.

• 50:16Speaker 05

  Tone deaf and coordinated.

• 50:19Speaker 04

  Who's the network that fired Stephen Colbert?

• 50:22Speaker 05

  Who's the network that Larry Ellison also owns?

• 50:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:26Speaker 05

  Right? So it's just like.

• 50:29Speaker 06

  They're gonna, I bet you CBS is gonna tank and probably gonna kill TikTok. Because now you saw that new terms in agreement, whatever.

• 50:39Speaker 05

  No, what is it saying?

• 50:40Speaker 06

  Like now they can like track your geolocation. They can get so much more information from you. And like people are deleting TikTok now.

• 50:47Speaker 05

  And I'll be honest with you. I don't think people care anymore about that privacy shit. I think that was popping for like a few years where people were like, I'm gonna put a sticker over the camera on my computer. Now they're like, watch me. Like, I'm gonna stream 24/7. I don't give a fuck.

• 51:00Speaker 06

  Like, I don't think people- Maybe it popped up on my algorithm, but it seemed like-

• 51:03Speaker 04

  No, I don't think people, I think he's saying people won't stick to it.

• 51:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's a handful of people that won't, but I think at the end of the day, people are gonna gravitate towards attention.

• 51:10Speaker 04

  Dopamine addiction wins.

• 51:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  Also, somebody else, my boy Matt McCoy pointed this out. If you have Clear, do you guys have Clear?

• 51:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 04

  They got your full fucking retina scan. That's a private company.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:21Speaker 04

  They can do whatever they want with that.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  It is crazy.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  There's nothing I'm gonna give you that you don't already got. You got my entire retinal scan.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 04

  Fingerprints, retina, it's all you. You can do whatever you want.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  If it saves me five minutes getting on the plane, hey, you want my cum, you want my DNA, that's what you want.

• 51:40Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, Facebook kinda proved like the privacy shit, no one really cares about if it's convenient enough.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 51:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:45Speaker 06

  You know, like, that was years ago. That if it's like, if this shit's popping, like, yeah, TikTok.

• 51:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, the only thing that will matter is, is the TikTok experience still fun? And if it's not, then it's a problem.

• 51:54Speaker 05

  But I wonder if it's so throttled right now that people just start to ugh, I don't know what they'll weigh. Will they weigh distraction over information? Will people be like, alright, I'll just watch like stupid cat memes. I don't care. I'll just watch Housewives clips. I'll just do this dumb distraction bullshit.

• 52:10Speaker 06

  Unfortunately, most likely.

• 52:11Speaker 05

  They will. So then, nah. Yeah.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  I support that.

• 52:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:18Mark Gagnon?

  Apparently that, that, uh, privacy thing like is less, uh-

• 52:23Speaker 06

  Egregious than possibly thought about. These are things that were already.

• 52:27Speaker 05

  Fuck you fact checking.

• 52:31Speaker 05

  I can sense the trepidation in you sharing this information. I understand it's not coming from you, Miles. You're just sharing what exists on the internet. So please.

• 52:39Speaker 06

  It's a little less egregious, apparently. It's that the, uh, the data is being stored now locally in California. And there are laws in California that tell you that your data is being tracked. So it's just a.

• 52:49Speaker 05

  Oh, so they have to disclose more.

• 52:51Speaker 06

  It's a disclosure.

• 52:52Speaker 05

  Got it. So they were just doing it already.

• 52:54Speaker 06

  Apparently so. I don't fully know.

• 52:56Speaker 05

  I mean, of course, they're all tracking it. Dude, have you ever got like a nonsense app, like an app that like just opens a door to your gym? And then immediately asks, would you like this app to track your other ass on your phone? I'm like, what the fuck are you? You just opened the door to the gym. Why, why do you need to track my other app? So every app on your phone is getting information from every other app on your phone and every place that you go and.

• 53:20Speaker 06

  Palantir has it.

• 53:21Speaker 05

  They got it.

• 53:22Speaker 06

  It is what it is.

• 53:24Speaker 06

  We live in a police state. It's fine. You know, it's fine.

• 53:26Speaker 04

  What Palantir is.

• 53:28Speaker 05

  I feel like I'm missing out on selling data because I feel like that's the new hustle. Like just get people's data. And everybody that signs up for my podcast studios, it's like, I have all that data.

• 53:39Speaker 04

  Hey, why can't we just sell you our data individually?

• 53:42Speaker 05

  Guys, if you need information.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  I'm giving you my shit.

• 53:46Speaker 06

  People know where the gays are. They have neighborhoods.

• 53:50Speaker 05

  We don't need to find it. We don't need to find it out. I got the loud ones that like to talk in front of bikes.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  They have all of Manhattan below 168.

• 54:03Speaker 05

  So yeah, so what do we do? What do we, what do we do moving forward?

• 54:09Speaker 05

  Look, here's the thing. And like, obviously the internet is going to, you know, frame certain things, certain ways. And that's completely fine. And people are digesting information and, you know, 60 second clips, et cetera. That allows people to frame situations in a certain way, people in a certain way, 100%. I don't expect everybody who watches clips of us on the internet to watch every single interview we do. Like, I'm sure there's definitely people who saw us interview Trump that never saw us interview Bernie, Buttigieg, or the handful of other Democrats that we've had on the pod. I get that and that's totally fine. And that, that's the world we live in when we decide to put stuff out on the internet.

• 54:42Mark Gagnon?

  Credit for getting Zorong elected.

• 54:44Speaker 06

  Yo, we get no credit.

• 54:46Mark Gagnon?

  We got a big ZO elected.

• 54:47Speaker 06

  We fixed the bump on the Williamsburg Bridge. That's us.

• 54:50Mark Gagnon?

  I want that credit.

• 54:51Speaker 05

  No, but so like, I, I understand that that is, that is just the cost of putting stuff out there on the internet. And the internet is so siloed that you're only going to get the specific things. And I get that and there's, it, it might be frustrating, but it's no like complaints. But I think the, I think the important thing that we're doing is like not retreating to the security of a side. And I think that's what a lot of people end up doing in these types of situations is they just go, oh, there's a lot of criticism out here for having this take. And you know, despite having Trump on the pod or something like that, I'm just going to avoid the conversation entirely, or I'm going to retreat to the Trump side. And it's just like, I don't, I don't think that's anything that we've done. I don't think it's anything that we will continue to do.

• 55:33Speaker 05

  I think from the day he's been in office, we've been holding him accountable and bringing on voices here that are incredibly critical of him. And giving them a platform to speak on those criticisms.

• 55:43Speaker 06

  Yeah. Politics is just messy, dog.

• 55:46Speaker 05

  It is ugly.

• 55:47Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 55:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I love it.

• 55:48Speaker 06

  I mean, it's fun to talk about, but my issue with like having politicians, like they just gotta lie.

• 55:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like Real Housewives, I like.

• 55:55Speaker 05

  Politics is Real Housewives for men.

• 55:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 55:58Speaker 05

  Say your point. This is a good point.

• 56:00Speaker 06

  But just like having politicians like on any show, like they kind of have to like bend the truth. They sort of are required to lie. Right? Like they have private donors that are giving them hundreds of millions of dollars in order to lie. So I'm like, yeah, ask him an honest question and they're like, yeah, whatever.

• 56:15Speaker 04

  They're also genius level manipulators. I can't think of a politician we didn't like, that we didn't walk away being like, I like that guy.

• 56:20Mark Gagnon?

  Trump.

• 56:24Speaker 04

  As a guy?

• 56:25Mark Gagnon?

  Just speak for yourself.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  You didn't find, I'm being serious. You didn't find yourself remotely charmed by him?

• 56:29Mark Gagnon?

  I just thought he was a lot more savvy than I thought he was. That's what I left.

• 56:34Speaker 05

  So, so he was savvier in his ability to charm. But you still looked at through the lens of he's putting something on.

• 56:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 56:41Speaker 05

  He's just trying to win. I think to Akash's point, it's like, yeah, you sit down with these people, like, you know, sitting down with a Buddha judge, you're like, wow, this guy's so fucking smart and he's thoughtful and he like meets you where you are emotionally and you know, Bernie's just coming. And he's just like a wrecking ball of like old school New York charm and you just wanna fucking hang out with him at a, you know, play chess in the park or some shit like.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  Bernie Charming and how little he gave a fuck if we liked him or not.

• 57:05Speaker 06

  I don't know, I try not to be like too blackpilled about this shit, cuz I just get like, I don't know, like, I don't, I don't, sorry, what's blackpilled? It's just like so cynical, it's like, nothing matters.

• 57:16Speaker 05

  Nothing matters, they're all liars, they're all pieces of shit, the world is gonna go to shit, why are we worrying about it? Which is the easiest way to go through life.

• 57:23Speaker 06

  That's how I, that's, that's my inclination.

• 57:25Speaker 05

  Have you seen Everything Everywhere All at Once or whatever? You know, the, the dark donut or the dark bagel hole or whatever?

• 57:31Speaker 06

  Yes, yeah.

• 57:32Speaker 05

  I think that's what, I think that's a metaphor for it, it's like, yes, life is, or life could be meaningless. We could choose to subscribe to this thing that we're thrown into the world and eventually we die, so what's the point in caring? What's the point in trying and what's the point in trying to have a positive perspective on the world? And that is the easiest route that leads you to the most misery. And like the dad in the movie makes his choice to be fucking happy despite every reason to not. And that is the harder thing to do. And he's a fighter and if you notice in like the, I don't know, not, not dream sequences, but the alternative realities, like he's an amazing fighter, right? Because like, that is the fight. Sometimes just being happy in the presence of misery is an amazing fucking fight.

• 58:15Speaker 05

  Oh, that's how I looked at it and I was like, oh shit, he is the bravest fucking character, I think the daughter realizes it.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  The wife realizes it too, she thought he was just like a little bitch the whole time.

• 58:22Speaker 05

  And she's like, no, that's the strongest motherfucker here right now, is to not fall victim to this shit. And to push through and to try to find some joy, try to find some happiness and try to find some positive perspective.

• 58:32Speaker 06

  So I try to hedge that with like optimism, where like, I like Zorong, I'm optimistic, but I'm also like, I just, I don't know. Like, I just, I want it to work out. And so I just choose to believe that it'll kinda work out. But, I don't know, I get cynical in moments like this, I'm like, ugh.

• 58:47Speaker 05

  Dude, I, I feel that way, yeah, I feel that way about Zorong, I've always felt that way about Bernie and it fucking drove me crazy when they robbed him twice. And, um, I even think there's, you know, things that Trump says are seductive, is I'm gonna end the wars, it's like, I would like those wars to be ended, that'd be fucking awesome. Now, here we go, we're gonna fucking start another war with Iran? You know what I mean, like, when he says, oh, we're gonna cap credit card debt at 10%, when he says we're gonna stop institutional, uh... Banks or whatever from buying up all the single family homes. I go, that would be fucking, that would be awesome. And if he's able to do that shit, I'll give him credit for it. I'm not going to sit here and not call out a strike when it's a fucking strike. But this is fucking heinous.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  I think he was starting another war within the US.

• 59:29Speaker 05

  Exactly. And then you gotta call that out, too. You know, it's, and, and you're gonna get the licks, and we're gonna get the licks, and that's totally fine. That is what it is. Again, we're not, yeah. But, um.

• 59:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but if he throws too many balls, then the strikes don't matter, in my opinion.

• 59:47Speaker 05

  That's an interesting perspective. All right, guys, let's.

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• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  All right, we're back. I saw Joey Avery, shout out Joey Avery, have a, have an interesting take. He's like. He goes, I wonder, I might butcher this because I wonder if the powers that be choose to create the most political division around big sporting events.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:01:33Speaker 05

  Because they know that there will be convenient distractions.

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:38Mark Gagnon?

  That's funny.

• 1:01:38Speaker 05

  Right, like if you are gonna do some wild shit and you know for a fact that in a week or two, everybody's gonna be focused on this big game.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:01:47Speaker 05

  And then the week before it, all the media attention is gonna be about the preparation for this big game.

• 1:01:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:53Speaker 05

  Like, will it squash the momentum of that very divisive conversation?

• 1:01:58Mark Gagnon?

  Interesting. I thought it was the Epstein files all this time.

• 1:02:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, that is the idea.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, where them at?

• 1:02:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:07Mark Gagnon?

  Conveniently not talking about that right now.

• 1:02:08Speaker 06

  We're on like the fifth level of distraction.

• 1:02:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 06

  We have the distraction of the distraction.

• 1:02:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Speaker 06

  With the new distraction. Speaking of which, dude, Seattle and New England, right? We're back. Everything's fine. Football's on TV.

• 1:02:20Speaker 05

  Football's on TV. The Patriots are back in the Super Bowl.

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  Yes, dude. They have given us a phenomenal playoff. Yes, the playoffs are so good, forget everything.

• 1:02:27Mark Gagnon?

  Can you break that down? I know nothing about either team.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

  Both games were good. I felt bad. It was Denver and New England. Denver was the number one seed and they, New England only beat them 10 to 7, but Denver lost their starting quarterback at the end of the game before. So they had a guy who had started like four games in his entire career coming in. And at first, he was playing well, but then with an inexperienced quarterback, what you do is you just blitz them. Once you get really experienced, you love when they blitz you, which is like, you got your four linemen and they send other people.

• 1:02:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:56Speaker 04

  And when you're really experienced, you're like, oh, if you're sending people, it's like double teams in basketball. And that means something's open. Let me get it out and know how to break the defense down. But once they started blitzing him, he got frustrated, he fucked up, he made a couple mistakes, and that's the only reason New England won. They're a good team, but I didn't realize how good Denver was until I saw them just dominate New England's offense. Um, New England is a good team. They got a great coach. They got Mike Vrabel, who was a Patriots player, came back and it's like the fucking chosen one, basically.

• 1:03:22Speaker 05

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  They went from, I think, four and 13 last year to 14 and three this year.

• 1:03:27Speaker 05

  Hmm, wow.

• 1:03:28Speaker 04

  Insane turnaround. Then he's the only real change they made. They got Stefan Diggs, a good receiver, but like, it's him. And then they're playing Seattle, who I didn't think would win because their quarterback, everybody kind of thought choked in big moments. He was like highly touted out of college. And his first game I saw him in college, it was a big game, he played really well. But, uh, he said, this, this kind of fucked his career for years. He was not playing well and he was playing the Patriots and they caught him on a hot mic. He was playing horribly and he goes, "I'm seeing ghosts out there." Which is like, the worst thing you can get caught saying is you're a quarterback. It's like, oh god, this guy's mentally fucked.

• 1:04:03Speaker 05

  I thought they say that when there's a white corner.

• 1:04:09Speaker 04

  Go long. Yeah, well now, then you're cooking. Then you're wide open.

• 1:04:13Speaker 05

  What do they call it? Milk check?

• 1:04:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  You heard that term? No. When a white guy's guarding you in basketball or football, they're like, "Milk check."

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  There's a couple of good white corners now.

• 1:04:25Speaker 05

  I mean, in history, there's been a couple.

• 1:04:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, true.

• 1:04:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like Cooper DeJean.

• 1:04:29Speaker 04

  Cooper DeJean.

• 1:04:30Speaker 05

  I think Jason Sehorn had like a year.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  Yo, he had a year who was nasty. Then he had a bad knee injury.

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  I think he just had a white knee. I think he gave everything that one year. And then his knees were like, "Come on, guys." He got milk checked. We play safety. That's what they do to white corners.

• 1:04:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, just stay in the middle and tell people what to do.

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, that is true. Uh, but then this guy Darnold played and then everybody thought he would kind of shrink in big moments. He had a couple of bad games last year in big moments. This year, the Rams pass defense is not good, but he played his ass off in the championship game. So I don't know if he continues, if he plays like that against New England, they have a historically great defense, Seattle does. New England is good, but historically great defense. Young quarterback who's really good, he's gonna get better, but you can still kind of fuck with him probably he's in like his second year. So I think I think Seattle would win. I don't know. What are the odds? Seattle 68% and New England 33%?

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  So right now, Kelsey's at Seattle 68%.

• 1:05:28Speaker 04

  If Sam Darnold plays well, I think it's locked in and they beat the shit out of San Francisco the week before and he didn't have to play that well. But San Francisco was very beat up. So I don't know. I think New England is a really good team. I think I would pick Seattle, but it really is all going to depend on how this quarterback plays.

• 1:05:42Speaker 06

  Who do I support? Cause on the one hand, New England is like a legacy team. Everyone loves them, yada, yada, but also their fans are annoying.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  They had enough.

• 1:05:49Speaker 06

  But they're also the underdog.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, they had enough.

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  They never, yeah, I don't think the Patriots are ever the underdog in a Super Bowl.

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  They're like the Lakers.

• 1:05:56Speaker 05

  Trading underdog.

• 1:05:57Speaker 04

  You had a lot of success and then you had like five, four bad years and now you get.

• 1:06:01Speaker 05

  Now you're back in the Super Bowl.

• 1:06:01Speaker 04

  Now you got a great quarterback again and a great coach again. You're not gonna wait one more year.

• 1:06:06Speaker 06

  Wait, but your hunch is that Seattle's gonna win?

• 1:06:08Speaker 04

  I think Seattle's gonna win, which means New England's gonna win.

• 1:06:10Speaker 06

  New England, all the way. Go pass. All the way. Yeah, I probably will. Yeah, I'm gonna drop some money on New England just because Seattle's gonna win.

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  I got my camera equipment back. So if you'd like to pawn it to get money, let me know.

• 1:06:25Speaker 05

  You got everything back?

• 1:06:25Speaker 04

  I got everything back, dude. I was honestly most concerned about, I mean, obviously the camera equipment suck, but all my drives, all my shows, all my sets, I'm trying to build the hour. That's the thing I was fucking freaking out about, but I got it all back. So.

• 1:06:35Speaker 05

  Pawn a hard drive is, that is a dedication to gambling. Yeah, right? Cause how much you get for a hard drive?

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  Like a hundred dollars.

• 1:06:43Speaker 05

  Not even, right?

• 1:06:44Speaker 06

  Nah, nice hard drive. Yeah, nice hard drive would explain it.

• 1:06:47Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, we had a lot of shit on it.

• 1:06:49Speaker 05

  And a pawn guy understands that? How do they have so much knowledge?

• 1:06:53Speaker 06

  Right?

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  Like the pawn guys, you have to give it up to them to like know how much everything is worth.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  They're like Antiques Roadshows, but for new shit.

• 1:07:00Speaker 05

  But even old shit, like whenever you watch them.

• 1:07:03Speaker 06

  You guys ever heard of the internet before?

• 1:07:04Speaker 05

  Son, but before the internet, I'm saying like you would go with a revolutionary like war hero ring and be like, how much does this worth?

• 1:07:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, three grand.

• 1:07:12Speaker 05

  That's it.

• 1:07:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay.

• 1:07:14Speaker 04

  They probably missed out on some shit, to be honest with you.

• 1:07:17Speaker 06

  You never did the Price is Right Showcase Showdown? Is that what it's called? Remember that game where they had to guess?

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, why wouldn't a pawn shop owner just go on there and dominate every time?

• 1:07:23Speaker 06

  And rinse, right?

• 1:07:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Speaker 06

  Cause you just know, oh, that jet ski is obviously AK. Bang. Then he gets a jet ski. Out of here.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  AK, I'll give you three.

• 1:07:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, what do you get for the pawn? Do you get the value of the good? Or is it fifty percent of the value? Is it eighty percent? Like what?

• 1:07:42Mark Gagnon?

  No, it's usually a small, small fraction.

• 1:07:44Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:07:44Speaker 06

  Ever seen Pawn Stars?

• 1:07:46Mark Gagnon?

  People go there desperate.

• 1:07:47Speaker 06

  I love Pawn Stars.

• 1:07:49Speaker 05

  But the idea is what? That like you're getting a fraction of it? And you're gonna eventually? So you're essentially getting like a loan?

• 1:07:56Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah. And instead of the interest, it's just a low value.

• 1:08:00Speaker 05

  Right, right, right, right.

• 1:08:02Speaker 06

  So like you have this ten thousand dollar item? Here's a thousand bucks? And then if you never? If you come collect it, alright, fine. And if you don't, then I just resell. Pawn Stars was fire, bro. I used to watch that show.

• 1:08:12Speaker 05

  I would see little eps or whatever, but...

• 1:08:13Speaker 06

  Oh, it was fire, dude.

• 1:08:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:15Speaker 06

  Some guy fucking pawned a bunch of camera equipment.

• 1:08:21Speaker 06

  He seemed like he was stressed. He seemed like he was really in a bad spot. And they looked at him, they're like, "This hard drive's a hundred bucks." And they're like, "Yeah, and it has comedy on." They're like, "I'll give you five."

• 1:08:31Mark Gagnon?

  Ah, he's going through a hard time.

• 1:08:34Speaker 05

  But like, if you're the pawn? If you're the pawn guy?

• 1:08:37Speaker 04

  I didn't say anything.

• 1:08:41Speaker 06

  You think the pawn shop is what he's stressed about?

• 1:08:45Speaker 05

  But if you're the pawn guy, like, are you judging the desperation and giving a number based on that?

• 1:08:49Speaker 06

  I think so. Oh, probably. Yeah.

• 1:08:50Speaker 05

  So like, you're looking for like marks on his arm? You smell his breath for alcohol? Like, you're seeing how desperate they are? And then you're giving out money based on that?

• 1:08:59Speaker 06

  Yeah. No one's ever given someone a good deal behind a bulletproof glass?

• 1:09:05Speaker 06

  If you're going into a negotiation with a guy with three inches of plexiglass in front of him, you're probably gonna get rinsed.

• 1:09:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:11Speaker 06

  Odds are.

• 1:09:12Speaker 04

  Is that ethical?

• 1:09:13Speaker 05

  What, the pawn shop?

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  Or is it predatory?

• 1:09:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, predatory. Yeah, probably predatory.

• 1:09:18Speaker 04

  But not unethical?

• 1:09:20Speaker 06

  I mean, what is ethics? Right? Yeah.

• 1:09:22Speaker 04

  Oh, god, have a fucking opinion, dude. I hate when you do this.

• 1:09:25Speaker 05

  You asked the question!

• 1:09:26Speaker 06

  It's the formulated morals of this group of people.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  Yes or no question.

• 1:09:29Speaker 06

  We live in a society where it's legal, so yeah, it's ethical.

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  Oh, god.

• 1:09:31Speaker 06

  I personally wouldn't wanna do it.

• 1:09:33Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:09:35Speaker 06

  But you asked me if it's ethical? If you asked me if I would do it, then no.

• 1:09:38Speaker 05

  But if you gotta ask the question if something's ethical, then you already know what it is.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  I'm just hoping you say yes, so I could open one.

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  That's really all I wanted.

• 1:09:47Speaker 06

  Nah.

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  You didn't give me that.

• 1:09:48Speaker 05

  You don't want that.

• 1:09:49Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:09:49Speaker 06

  You don't wanna be in the pawn shop.

• 1:09:50Speaker 05

  I would never go to an Indian pawn shop, them cheat motherfuckers. You ain't getting nothing.

• 1:09:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:09:55Speaker 05

  You trying to give them your wife.

• 1:09:58Speaker 05

  They give you five dollars.

• 1:09:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  You pay me, uh...

• 1:10:01Speaker 05

  A dowry?

• 1:10:03Speaker 06

  You get your camera equipment back, smells like curry. You don't want it. Come on, dude. You didn't like that? That was... No, come on. No, come on.

• 1:10:10Speaker 05

  Nah, it needs to be more specific.

• 1:10:12Speaker 06

  Alright.

• 1:10:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Speaker 06

  Um, you get your... It smells like turmeric. It smells like turmeric.

• 1:10:16Speaker 05

  Turmeric is better.

• 1:10:16Speaker 06

  It's a lot better.

• 1:10:17Speaker 05

  Turmeric is better.

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  I like it.

• 1:10:19Speaker 06

  Alright. Gimme a punch. Gimme a punch, okay?

• 1:10:20Speaker 05

  You get your camera equipment, it smells...

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  That's what I was thinking. Honestly? Honestly? That is...

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  I didn't even say it.

• 1:10:32Speaker 04

  I didn't even be the one to say it, but that's what I... My thought was.

• 1:10:35Speaker 06

  That was better?

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  That was where I thought it should go. Just humor standpoint.

• 1:10:39Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:10:39Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? If we're only talking humor.

• 1:10:41Speaker 06

  Yours is lazy racism.

• 1:10:45Speaker 05

  Try how racism works.

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, dude, this is educated, informed.

• 1:10:49Speaker 06

  Nuance.

• 1:10:50Speaker 04

  Nuanced racism, yeah. Absolutely.

• 1:10:54Mark Gagnon?

  Pawn shops had good bikes when I was a kid. I'd get my shit stolen all the time, and then I'd go to the pawn shop.

• 1:11:01Speaker 06

  And then buy your bike back?

• 1:11:02Mark Gagnon?

  No, buy another bike, different bike.

• 1:11:04Speaker 05

  You buy someone else's stolen bike back?

• 1:11:06Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly.

• 1:11:06Speaker 05

  How does the pawn shop, uh, handle that? Like, how do they make sure it's yours? And then once it's pawned to them, do they own it?

• 1:11:12Mark Gagnon?

  You have thirty to... Yeah, you have the X amount of time to buy it back from them.

• 1:11:17Speaker 05

  No, no, no. So, I steal something. I go to the pawn shop, I pawn it.

• 1:11:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:21Speaker 05

  How do they make sure that it's that, it's mine to pawn?

• 1:11:24Speaker 06

  No, that's what pawn shops are for.

• 1:11:25Mark Gagnon?

  They're not checking.

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  So, it's all stolen shit? So, like, so what are the legal ramifications right there? Like, could the...

• 1:11:31Mark Gagnon?

  There's none.

• 1:11:32Speaker 05

  The cops aren't gonna go, "Yo, this is a stolen good, so we're gonna take this back," and the pawn shop loses money?

• 1:11:36Speaker 06

  And they say, "Prove it."

• 1:11:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:37Speaker 06

  Like...

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  No, they told me if I called the cops, this is why I didn't, they said the cops would confiscate the equipment.

• 1:11:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but you would have to show proof that you bought it, go through all that rigmarole and all that shit. Nobody wants to do that.

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  I'm amazed you got through rigmarole.

• 1:11:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:50Speaker 04

  I'm so proud of you.

• 1:11:51Mark Gagnon?

  Can't we just let it go?

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  I'm proud of you, dawg.

• 1:11:54Mark Gagnon?

  Now, in my head, the next word is gonna be fuck.

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  But I'm proud of you. I'm just trying to give you a compliment.

• 1:11:58Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck you.

• 1:11:58Speaker 05

  Yo, you're a bully, yo.

• 1:11:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you're a bully, yo.

• 1:12:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, he is, right? He's a bully, man. He said a multi-syllabic word, he got through it, you know? Just let him get his W, man.

• 1:12:08Speaker 04

  I was trying to compliment, I tried to give love where I could give love, yo.

• 1:12:10Speaker 06

  He's out here dressed like a...

• 1:12:11Speaker 05

  A Y N right now with a fucking hat.

• 1:12:13Speaker 04

  Higher hat is fire, right?

• 1:12:15Speaker 05

  Yep, I know, yep, yep, yep, yep.

• 1:12:19Speaker 05

  Nah, that was good.

• 1:12:20Speaker 06

  Nah, he pulled a grenade on me, so I gotta get him back. Also, I got my, uh, my Christmas gift finally shipped up from Florida. Do you know what this is?

• 1:12:27Speaker 04

  Let me see it.

• 1:12:28Speaker 06

  Oh no, you don't want to touch this.

• 1:12:29Speaker 04

  Tuning fork?

• 1:12:29Speaker 06

  Nope. This is a jaw harp.

• 1:12:37Speaker 04

  A mouth banjo.

• 1:12:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, the mouth banjo, dude. I literally saw it.

• 1:12:41Speaker 04

  Tap on it, go, go.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Sounds like the Australian Outback.

• 1:12:47Speaker 05

  Yo, white people, uh, I swear to God.

• 1:12:50Speaker 06

  How sick is that, right?

• 1:12:51Speaker 05

  Y'all need more fun.

• 1:12:56Speaker 06

  This is my Christmas gift. This is what I got for my secret Santa.

• 1:12:58Speaker 04

  Why did you get this?

• 1:12:59Speaker 05

  Then that's an awesome gift, then. Nah, I feel bad. I've shitting on one of your family's gifts.

• 1:13:03Speaker 06

  No, it's secretive. They don't know who it is.

• 1:13:05Speaker 04

  Have you fucked up yet and hit your teeth?

• 1:13:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  Oh, that shit'll rattle your head. Miles, you know about this?

• 1:13:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, mouth banjo.

• 1:13:12Speaker 05

  Call time now, man.

• 1:13:13Speaker 06

  It's called a Jew's harp.

• 1:13:15Speaker 05

  I've never heard of a mouth banjo.

• 1:13:16Speaker 06

  It's called a Jew's harp.

• 1:13:18Speaker 05

  What do you call it?

• 1:13:19Speaker 06

  The other name for it is a Jew's harp.

• 1:13:20Speaker 05

  I wasn't gonna bring that up.

• 1:13:23Speaker 06

  Some people call it a Jew harp. I personally don't.

• 1:13:26Speaker 04

  Is this because it's a gift that's from a cheap motherfucker?

• 1:13:30Speaker 06

  I personally don't use that verbiage, okay?

• 1:13:33Speaker 05

  Hey, but why is it called a Jew harp?

• 1:13:34Speaker 06

  I actually don't know. I, I think it's supposed to be jaw harp and then people kinda like twiddle it up.

• 1:13:39Speaker 05

  Nah, it's not funny in there.

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  There's no southern accent.

• 1:13:42Speaker 06

  Can you get the etymology on that? In the meantime, this is a little ditty.

• 1:13:47Speaker 06

  Jew harp, here we go. It's from, uh, it's uncertain if it's connected to Jewish people or Judaism at all. The old English word, the, the Guga.

• 1:13:57Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, you're right.

• 1:13:58Speaker 06

  The Jew's harp.

• 1:14:01Speaker 06

  So the Jew harp. It's French, dude. This is like European, this is a European instrument.

• 1:14:06Speaker 05

  Now, are you actually doing anything with your mouth?

• 1:14:08Speaker 06

  Yes, bro. My mouth is doing insane tricks. Look.

• 1:14:12Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:14:13Speaker 06

  Come on, dude. Does it, does it make another sound besides that one?

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, that would sound as mildly.

• 1:14:18Speaker 06

  Do you want an A?

• 1:14:20Speaker 04

  Can you play something?

• 1:14:22Speaker 06

  You wanna play something?

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, like something that sounds like a song.

• 1:14:26Speaker 06

  Okay, I mean, all right, here we go.

• 1:14:33Speaker 05

  You gotta tap his foot and your boy's got a spoon and he's playing spoon on his leg.

• 1:14:37Speaker 04

  Okay. Maybe with the spoon it goes to a thing.

• 1:14:40Speaker 06

  Almost. I'm just practicing. My lessons, I haven't started my lessons yet, but once I get my lessons, then it's gonna be over for y'all.

• 1:14:48Speaker 05

  So it goes from that and then you guys have to climb buildings. That's like... Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about Alex Honnold. That shit was crazy.

• 1:14:57Speaker 06

  We were debating the Alex Honnold climb outside.

• 1:15:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:15:00Speaker 06

  Because someone in the studio, I won't say who...

• 1:15:02Speaker 05

  Hold on, can we stop before and just say one thing?

• 1:15:05Speaker 06

  Uh oh.

• 1:15:06Speaker 05

  Have you ever seen a sporting event that was more anxiety inducing for a longer period of time than this climb?

• 1:15:15Speaker 06

  You could say the World Cup.

• 1:15:17Speaker 05

  So you sit in anxiety and fear.

• 1:15:19Speaker 06

  That World Cup final, we all watched it. It was terrifying the entire time.

• 1:15:22Speaker 05

  Wow. I feel that with boxing matches sometimes, but at least you get a little bit of a break. This shit was...

• 1:15:29Speaker 06

  Well, for you, specifically.

• 1:15:31Speaker 05

  Specifically.

• 1:15:32Speaker 06

  Because you hate heights.

• 1:15:33Speaker 05

  Huge fear of heights.

• 1:15:34Speaker 06

  But we were talking about it out there and someone said that this was selfish to do.

• 1:15:39Speaker 05

  Why?

• 1:15:39Speaker 04

  What game?

• 1:15:40Speaker 06

  He has kids. He's doing this while he has children.

• 1:15:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:44Speaker 06

  It sparked a conversation. I don't think it's selfish.

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  But he's also, this is how he feeds them.

• 1:15:47Speaker 06

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:15:48Speaker 04

  He's a high-risk job.

• 1:15:49Speaker 06

  Also, I don't even know if this is risky.

• 1:15:52Speaker 04

  He made this shit look wild easy.

• 1:15:53Speaker 05

  Nah, there's risky parts. Bro, you gotta get some clips of this.

• 1:15:57Speaker 06

  It's risky for me to do this, but for old...

• 1:15:59Speaker 05

  This shit is stupid, bro. This shit is so fucking stupid.

• 1:16:04Speaker 06

  Why is it stupid?

• 1:16:05Speaker 05

  It's a little selfish. It's like, just why?

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Why do you think it's selfish, Miles?

• 1:16:09Speaker 06

  Because I don't want to watch you die if you fall. Bro, he's so safe.

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  But then don't watch...

• 1:16:14Speaker 05

  Well, we are watching to see if he dies.

• 1:16:16Speaker 06

  Yes. Well, I couldn't watch. I had to wait till he did it to watch on Twitter.

• 1:16:19Speaker 05

  Oh, really? You made sure he made it?

• 1:16:21Speaker 06

  I wouldn't wa... I can't watch that shit.

• 1:16:23Speaker 05

  You see, that makes sense. You gotta see when he climbs up like these little dragon portions. You see those like silver things that are extending out past the building? There's, so the thing about this is like, there's nothing that he can grab his hand on and like hook behind. So, all the grabs he's doing, he's holding it like a brick.

• 1:16:43Speaker 04

  Fucking crazy.

• 1:16:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

• 1:16:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, just standing up there is insane.

• 1:16:46Speaker 04

  Shit.

• 1:16:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think you need to do, see him go up, I think they're called like the dragons or whatever it was. Also, the, like, there are people working in the office. How is, like, there's one crazy person, that's all it takes is to do a jump scare. And he slips for one second, he falls and he dies.

• 1:17:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:17:02Speaker 05

  And he does have a wife and two kids. And I get the idea that it's selfish, like, there are certain things I would not do now that I have a wife and kids. But I also don't do these things for a living, like, this is what he does to provide for his family.

• 1:17:12Speaker 06

  Different.

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  Son, the wind up there is probably crazy.

• 1:17:15Speaker 05

  Crazy! No, but weren't you saying that he's missing a part of his brain or something like that?

• 1:17:19Speaker 06

  I think he's amygdala, just like.

• 1:17:21Speaker 05

  Then it's not that crazy then. So you think the only thing that's crazy about it is the fear factor? And once you eliminate the fear factor, it's just climbing like you're at the park. He's just a retard.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  That would explain the strength, actually. That would explain the strength.

• 1:17:37Speaker 06

  He's not afraid of anything.

• 1:17:39Speaker 05

  Look at this, look at this.

• 1:17:41Speaker 04

  I mean, that's.

• 1:17:42Speaker 05

  This is actually the worst angle for it because right now he's extended off the side of the building.

• 1:17:46Speaker 04

  Al, I wanna be with you and make this like, oh, this is awesome.

• 1:17:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:17:53Speaker 05

  So there was an hour and 20 minutes of this straight.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  You watched it for an hour.

• 1:17:58Speaker 04

  Son, I watched the whole thing. My wife tried to watch something else on the phone, on the TV, I had it on my phone, watching the entire time.

• 1:18:05Speaker 05

  Bruh, I wish we can like put a poll out. I just wanna know the race of people watching.

• 1:18:10Speaker 04

  I don't know if I'd be able to watch an hour and a half, but this is.

• 1:18:12Speaker 05

  I don't think a single black person.

• 1:18:14Speaker 04

  Nah, this is fire.

• 1:18:15Speaker 06

  I think it'd be more fun to watch with black people.

• 1:18:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like magic, yeah. But it's too long. It's too long, it's like, yo, when are you gonna fall already? Like, that's. But the entire time you're thinking, man, this guy could die in front of the entire world and his family live on Netflix.

• 1:18:30Speaker 04

  Son, he's smiling. It's crazy. The smile is crazy.

• 1:18:34Speaker 05

  Why is this dumb motherfucker doing this?

• 1:18:35Speaker 06

  I'm willing to bet this was easier than most of his climbs. Most of his climbs out in the wilds are way harder than this. El Capitan is way, like by ten times.

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  What is that? El Capitan?

• 1:18:46Speaker 06

  That's the one he did on Free Solo. It's like the most difficult.

• 1:18:49Speaker 05

  But yeah, I rarely are just watching, like, I don't know if you're hoping that he falls, but part of it. You're not hoping that he falls, but you know that that is.

• 1:18:57Speaker 06

  Those are the stakes.

• 1:18:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, but it's like NASCAR. It's like you don't hope they crash, but it's like, yeah, we're gonna crash. It's exciting.

• 1:19:04Speaker 04

  Now, I want to see him defy.

• 1:19:05Speaker 05

  I think it's a little bit of that in y'all.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  I want to see him defy death. That's cool.

• 1:19:08Speaker 06

  That's the stakes. That's the stakes. Like you, you are sports because you're like, yo, someone's gonna lose. Someone's dream is to win a Super Bowl and they're gonna lose.

• 1:19:15Speaker 04

  Now, this is a physical feat that defies death and that's a pretty fucking cool thing and it's hard. It's not like, again, this is easier than what he normally does, fine, but this is fucking hard and scary and this guy just beats it.

• 1:19:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:19:28Speaker 04

  That's cool.

• 1:19:28Speaker 06

  He's built different. I won't, lucky or young, but this shit is stupid.

• 1:19:31Speaker 04

  That is greatness. I'm not even bullshitting. That is greatness.

• 1:19:34Speaker 05

  No, he's missing a part of his brain that makes him afraid to, like, if there's no fear, then he's just climbing.

• 1:19:41Speaker 04

  I honestly think even if you didn't have that part of your amygdala, you couldn't, and with your grip strength, you couldn't do this. And you got grip strength.

• 1:19:47Speaker 05

  I wouldn't ever attempt to do this because I think it's stupid as fuck.

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  Part of your brain was missing. You, you still, the physical feat is still impressive.

• 1:19:54Speaker 05

  No, I can do that.

• 1:19:56Speaker 05

  Easy.

• 1:19:59Speaker 05

  Be easy.

• 1:20:00Speaker 04

  You know it requires leg strength, right?

• 1:20:01Speaker 05

  Son, I dropped a few pounds. I can lift my body. That's no, there's no legs here. It's all arm strength. I got that. He said an interesting thing. I was, I was watching him talk about climbing and he said that, uh, he goes, climbing is closest to going on the Stairmaster. I go, what? And he goes, most things that you scale, most rocks, like if you're at like a climbing wall that's indoors somewhere, what they do is the walls often like extend out at a negative angle. So you're kind of like, yeah, he goes, but most of these, these walls that we scale, these mountains that we climb have a slight decline. And you don't see it when you're watching the videos, but like essentially you're using your hands to like make sure you're staying on the wall, but you're pushing yourself up with

• 1:20:46Speaker 05

  your feet and you're kind of like leaning into the wall. And I think that's missed in the way that they captured on video. The way they captured on video looks like it's flat, right? And you're like, how the hell is he holding on with something that's two centimeters? He's just got to, he's kind of like leaning into it. Not to take anything away from him, it's absolutely terrifying, but.

• 1:21:02Speaker 06

  And then their strategy, you gotta like figure out, okay, if I move my leg here.

• 1:21:05Speaker 04

  Did he eat up there?

• 1:21:06Speaker 06

  Wait, what?

• 1:21:07Speaker 04

  Did he eat midway?

• 1:21:07Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:21:08Speaker 04

  I thought I saw some.

• 1:21:10Speaker 06

  I think he might, there's been, I think when in Free Solo, he's like.

• 1:21:13Speaker 05

  He has a little bite?

• 1:21:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's like grabbing like a little trail mix snack. Like he's like having a great time, literally the whole time he's having a.

• 1:21:19Speaker 05

  What were you gonna say though? Strategy with the.

• 1:21:21Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, like if you put like, again, I don't know shit about climbing, but like if you put your one leg up, all of a sudden now you're like, okay, I gotta get my other leg over to this other hold. So you gotta like jimmy around in order to strategize the whole climb. To know where to put your bodies.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  He must have visualized this climb a thousand times.

• 1:21:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:37Speaker 04

  Every step.

• 1:21:37Speaker 05

  I think he did it prior with a harness, so he knows the route that he's gonna go. But like, there's also things that you don't consider, like the building is dirty and greasy, he said. And it rained like a few days before, so they couldn't do it. So they were gonna do it live a few days before it rained, so naturally you're not gonna be able to do it. And he goes, yeah, but the building is dirty and greasy. And it's really interesting, so he has this chalk in his back, right? But it's so windy, you see the chalk flying out of his bag throughout the climb.

• 1:22:04Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:22:05Speaker 05

  So there's a part of you going like, is he gonna run out of?

• 1:22:07Speaker 04

  Run out of chalk?

• 1:22:07Speaker 05

  And the shit is so greasy, like there's parts where he's climbing up and he's using his feet to wedge, but they're not wedged on anything, he's just kind of like pushing against like a flat glass. And as he's pulling himself up, his feet are sliding down.

• 1:22:21Speaker 04

  Fuck.

• 1:22:22Speaker 05

  No, no, it's crazy. Dude, I like, I was looking at some of the climbing stuff.

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  That's awesome, dude. I wouldn't do it.

• 1:22:28Speaker 05

  Look, there's a moment, there's a moment right here, I think you'll see it in a second if we keep going, where he does like a, it's called like a bat hang or something like that. Watch. Both hands off.

• 1:22:38Speaker 04

  What the?

• 1:22:39Speaker 05

  Both hands off, dude. See him sort of shake him out? Yeah, he's flexing at that point. He's just he's doing like an emote or whatever. Yeah.

• 1:22:46Speaker 06

  I mean, it's just sick. This is what it's all about, dude. Watching humans do awesome shit.

• 1:22:50Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:22:50Speaker 06

  Right?

• 1:22:51Speaker 05

  You can do awesome shit without risking your life. This guy's adorable.

• 1:22:54Speaker 04

  Can you though?

• 1:22:55Speaker 05

  Yes, you can. I think we need stakes. Y'all need stakes. That's the difference. We not doing this shit. What's the awesome thing that doesn't have stakes? And the stakes might not be physical. They could be like emotional. You know, it could be like public speaking is obviously terrifying for most people. So they see that they're like, oh, my God, that's so unnerving. I would never want to do it. So what's the thing that you see with no stakes that you're still like, this is fucking awesome?

• 1:23:21Speaker 05

  Fuck, I'll need some time to think about it, but.

• 1:23:23Speaker 04

  He likes him IG videos. What are the IG videos you like? The cooking ones?

• 1:23:27Speaker 05

  Cooking?

• 1:23:28Speaker 04

  Alex cooking IG videos.

• 1:23:29Speaker 05

  So like cooking is so, and look, I love food, but it's so mundane. All the cooking shows got to time it. Right? Like they're like, you gotta do this in under 30 minutes. And it's like, no, you don't. Like you just. You're cooking it as much time as things to cook, but there's no stakes. So they're like, it's gotta happen.

• 1:23:44Speaker 04

  Five ingredients. You gotta make something go.

• 1:23:46Speaker 05

  They gotta create stakes for shit, right? Because I think humans react to stakes. It's like we love boxing or MMA because we know it's the highest stakes. You could fucking die in there.

• 1:23:55Speaker 06

  You never watched the humans are awesome compilations on YouTube? You've never seen this?

• 1:23:59Speaker 05

  Dude, it's the greatest. What are you saying?

• 1:24:00Speaker 06

  This is, they like go viral every year, but it's just white dudes doing white bullshit. And the whole title just humans are awesome. And it's guys just jumping off clips, like cliffs and squirrel suits and shit.

• 1:24:13Speaker 05

  You see white people doing white people shit? I mean, there, there are some versions that like you saw the one, we probably even watched it on the, on the pod where like, where the guy is in the squirrel suit and. Oh, and he flies through the rock.

• 1:24:24Speaker 04

  Crazy. That was crazy.

• 1:24:26Speaker 06

  See, but that doesn't get you fired up that you don't say, oh, hell yeah.

• 1:24:29Speaker 05

  Now that one, I go, that's, that's too much. That one, it looked cool and it, cause it looks fun. But also it's like, if you only pay attention. When they do these life risking stuff. Now we're encouraging them to do the life risking. And we got a population problem, dog. When they die.

• 1:24:44Speaker 06

  Bro, he would do.

• 1:24:45Speaker 05

  These people, there's bad people dying trying to impress you, motherfucker.

• 1:24:48Speaker 06

  He does this alone. He's been climbing for years by himself.

• 1:24:52Speaker 05

  Let me tell you something. This is how difficult it is. Get it paid now. Exactly, love of the game. Making money, but this is how hard it is to have two kids is that that is his just time away. You know what I mean? Like, like he goes, it's so funny because everybody without kids have kept going like he has a wife and kids. Why is he doing it? And like, once you have kids, you're like, nah. You know what I mean? I get it. You want a few minutes to just buy yourself. When he's on the top and no one can talk to him. Also, he's capping throughout the whole thing. He's going through it with the new boy, right?

• 1:25:23Speaker 05

  Throughout the whole thing, he goes, yeah, I think my headset's broken. Can't really hear you guys. All right.

• 1:25:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, I pulled that.

• 1:25:28Speaker 05

  He can hear y'all.

• 1:25:28Speaker 06

  I've done that.

• 1:25:29Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? He just needs some time by himself so he can enjoy this, this beautiful climb.

• 1:25:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, this guy's a horse, dude.

• 1:25:35Speaker 05

  You've heard of pro-life Spider-Man? No, what is that?

• 1:25:38Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:39Speaker 05

  Pro-life Spider-Man is a kid who's in his like early twenties. He's like a very sweet looking kid and he freesolo those buildings all over the world and in New York City. Did some crazy ones here without the fanfare of like Netflix. And he films himself the whole time, but like repeating, I think Bible verses and also talking about the fact that abortion's bad. And then he always gets arrested at the top and then hopes that the news will cover it. And ask for his statement and the statement is that abortion. Abortion is bad. There's another guy named Alan Robert or something.

• 1:26:09Speaker 06

  Alan Robert, yeah.

• 1:26:09Speaker 05

  Alan Robert.

• 1:26:10Speaker 06

  French Spider-Man.

• 1:26:11Speaker 05

  French Spider-Man and he's, he's just, he looks like he's a hundred years old. No bullshit.

• 1:26:15Speaker 06

  And he's been doing this since like the seventies.

• 1:26:16Speaker 05

  Forever. He climbs buildings like that's his thing. No ropes, free solo. I don't even think they have a spectacle around. So this guy ain't even doing nothing new.

• 1:26:27Speaker 05

  Fuck we tuning in for?

• 1:26:30Speaker 06

  The thing that's new, the thing that's interesting is that it is live streamed.

• 1:26:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, we never seen that.

• 1:26:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, so you just wanna see him die on the spot.

• 1:26:38Speaker 05

  Why we watch people go in circles in NASCAR?

• 1:26:41Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I'm saying. That's how you prove my point. Y'all should love this shit. You like to potentially see somebody die.

• 1:26:48Speaker 05

  So what is the, I mean, the joke is obviously like it's so dangerous being black that this is not what you guys do for fun? Like this, I've heard versions of this joke where it's like, white people, it's so safe that we gotta find death for fun?

• 1:27:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:01Speaker 05

  But like, what is the thing that you, you're like, okay, I gotta try that shit?

• 1:27:06Mark Gagnon?

  I don't try anything that I can die now. I used to back in the day.

• 1:27:10Speaker 05

  Like what? What would be? Skydiving, bungee jumping?

• 1:27:12Mark Gagnon?

  Skydiving, bungee jumping.

• 1:27:13Speaker 05

  Oh, so you get it?

• 1:27:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but that's when I started hanging out with y'all.

• 1:27:16Speaker 05

  You didn't skydive until you hanging out with me?

• 1:27:19Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I did it once before, but it was with a white dude.

• 1:27:22Speaker 05

  There you go. Yeah, I don't think there's that many skydiving instructors that aren't white.

• 1:27:26Mark Gagnon?

  No, I mean, the guy I went with, like, it was a group of us and I was one black guy.

• 1:27:30Speaker 05

  If you saw a black skydiving instructor, what would you, what would your reaction be?

• 1:27:34Mark Gagnon?

  He's just as qualified, all right?

• 1:27:36Speaker 06

  I would say more qualified.

• 1:27:37Speaker 04

  Jump on the plane.

• 1:27:40Speaker 05

  Yo, that is, that is interesting, like.

• 1:27:45Speaker 05

  Not as he is qualified, but like if you saw him, would you, would you be like, what brought you here? Like, would you have a moment where you gotta pull him aside and be like, how did you end up?

• 1:27:54Mark Gagnon?

  I would just think he grew up in the burbs.

• 1:27:56Speaker 05

  That's it?

• 1:27:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:58Speaker 05

  You're like, you grew up with white people and you don't know how crazy this is?

• 1:28:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:01Speaker 05

  And what if he's like, nah, bro, I'm from the hood, like, I just love skydiving.

• 1:28:05Speaker 04

  It was this or drug dealing. That's how you got out.

• 1:28:08Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck, sling some rocks, brother.

• 1:28:12Speaker 06

  Nah, bro, climb some rocks. That's what it's all about. I'm telling you, there's a, there's another dude, uh, what's his name? I can't remember his name, caveman something, but he's a black dude that goes and like interacts with the wild animals. And like, he like goes and finds anacondas like in the Amazon. Not real Tarzan?

• 1:28:28Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 1:28:30Speaker 06

  Maybe, I, I can't remember.

• 1:28:32Speaker 04

  Remember Brother Nature? What happened to that kid?

• 1:28:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I remember him. With the deer, Canelo. The deer is in Canelo.

• 1:28:39Speaker 04

  What happened? Did I miss something?

• 1:28:40Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:28:41Speaker 06

  If you guys wanna watch another great thing that sort of feels like this, Man on Wire.

• 1:28:45Speaker 04

  I've heard about this movie.

• 1:28:46Speaker 06

  Great doc from like late 2000s.

• 1:28:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:49Speaker 06

  Where a French guy, I think, put a wire across the Twin Towers.

• 1:28:53Speaker 05

  Then walked it and like laid down and did some wild shit. Yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 06

  You ever seen the Alpinist documentary?

• 1:28:59Speaker 05

  That shit is insane.

• 1:29:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, that one's wild. If you like free solo, you gotta check that one out.

• 1:29:04Speaker 05

  Insane.

• 1:29:05Speaker 06

  The Alpinist, I think he's French Canadian.

• 1:29:07Speaker 05

  That shit is insane.

• 1:29:09Speaker 06

  He would do free solo ice climbing.

• 1:29:12Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 1:29:13Speaker 06

  And which is like the most dangerous climbing.

• 1:29:16Speaker 05

  I don't wanna spoil it, but he dies.

• 1:29:19Speaker 06

  Really?

• 1:29:20Speaker 05

  There you go. There you go.

• 1:29:22Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 1:29:23Speaker 06

  But he doesn't do it for the doc, it's a-

• 1:29:25Speaker 05

  What's his name, Marc Andre?

• 1:29:26Speaker 06

  Leclerc.

• 1:29:27Speaker 05

  Leclerc.

• 1:29:28Speaker 04

  Was a Canadian rock climber.

• 1:29:30Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:29:31Speaker 04

  That's sad, yo. That'd been so cool if he lived.

• 1:29:34Speaker 06

  But he did live for a while. And then he died doing what he loved.

• 1:29:38Speaker 05

  He died. Alright, here's the one that I, where I start to, where what you're saying resonates. Okay, ready?

• 1:29:48Speaker 05

  I think it's called spurlunking.

• 1:29:50Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. What's that? What's that? Yeah, this is crazy. I don't like this.

• 1:29:55Speaker 05

  It's exploring caves. Oh Schultz, have you seen the nutty putty?

• 1:29:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:30:00Speaker 04

  Son, I'm too claustrophobic for this. That, that terrifies me.

• 1:30:03Speaker 05

  Son, sometimes-

• 1:30:04Speaker 06

  Get a video.

• 1:30:04Speaker 04

  Like looking at that scares me.

• 1:30:06Speaker 05

  They're going into these cave systems. I don't understand what they get out of it. I don't understand why they do it. I have no, I have no understanding whatsoever what compels them to go look. It's not like, oh my god, here's this beautiful view. Like maybe at the end you get to some cave where there's this underground beautiful sight and you get to see just boogers hanging from the ceiling. To me, there's nothing exciting or beautiful. When you're at the top of that fucking building or top of the mountain, you're looking the entire world as far as the horizon can see. I get that. That is appealing at least. You go to the top of the World Trade Center, you go to the top Empire State Building, you look out, you're like, whoa, this is an amazing view. So I at least get that a little bit. This shit right here, I don't understand why they do it. And sometimes they're going in these cave systems. Look at that.

• 1:30:49Speaker 05

  Sometimes they don't know where the cave systems go.

• 1:30:52Speaker 04

  Fuck is happening?

• 1:30:53Speaker 05

  Son, they gotta take off the helmet to get through and they can't get out and sometimes they just die there. Sometimes they gotta hold their breath to go under the water.

• 1:31:01Speaker 06

  To come up the other side. There's some wild shit. Yeah.

• 1:31:04Speaker 05

  Sometimes they just get stuck and it rains. And now they're stuck in the cave and they drown in the cave.

• 1:31:09Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 1:31:10Speaker 05

  Cause they didn't expect the rain.

• 1:31:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:31:12Speaker 05

  So when all them little kids went missing, they were just flunking? They was flunking and it rained and it flooded the, the, the cave system. Yeah.

• 1:31:20Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 1:31:21Speaker 05

  This is why, like, why y'all do this? This shit is like, how you feel about him climbing is how I feel about that.

• 1:31:28Speaker 04

  I don't like this. I'm, I can't even look at it, dude. It makes me uncomfortable.

• 1:31:31Speaker 05

  There, there's one called the Nutty Putty Cave Incident. It's a really sad story. It's really sad. What happened? You'll watch these videos where they describe what happened and there's like, uh, there's no video of it. It's just diagrams. It makes my chest.

• 1:31:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, the Nutty Putty one is tragic. Tragic. It stresses me.

• 1:31:46Speaker 05

  Well, bring it up, guys. Yeah, really like.

• 1:31:48Speaker 06

  There's no video. It's only a, an analysis and then a diagram.

• 1:31:51Speaker 05

  There's a guy named John Jones and he is in the Nutty Putty Cave. I think it's in Utah. Oh, I see. Going deeper and deeper, thinking that he's gonna like find either a way out or at least to turn around. He ends up getting so deep in there. He's sort of lodged upside down. There's the image right there. And his other buddy, he goes, dude, I'm stuck. I can't get out. His legs, they have to like, he's so stuck. So his buddy crawls back out and then goes to get help. And it takes hours to get help and the people come in. And he's been stuck upside down the whole time and they start to try to figure out how to get him out there. They have rescuers. They put this crazy pulley system.

• 1:32:32Speaker 05

  And they're like, dude, we might have to break his legs the wrong way to pull him out. All of this awful, awful stuff. And the video will explain it way better. Uh, they finally get it attached to his legs, if I'm not mistaken, and they start to get a little bit of movement with him. And it's like, it's a wire attached to a thing, attached to a thing, attached to a thing.

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  Still alive as far as they know?

• 1:32:50Speaker 05

  Still alive.

• 1:32:51Speaker 06

  And he's on comms, so he can talk to them.

• 1:32:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, they get a walkie talk down there to him so he can talk. They start to, they start to get him out. They start to get him out and they all the things break from the holes they were in and he falls back deeper into it. They get him a phone and they drop the phone down there and he like slowly falls in and out of consciousness, tells his wife he loves him. And he dies and they seal the cave.

• 1:33:15Speaker 06

  Weird, but why did he die from what?

• 1:33:18Speaker 05

  His head's upside down, cold exposure. He's down there for like twenty four, forty eight hours. He's freezing. It's like. Can't breathe slowly, like the blood is filling up in your head and lungs.

• 1:33:29Speaker 05

  That shit is crazy. Sorry to bring the mood down, but I watched that video and straight up like that is sweaty palms.

• 1:33:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't, I don't support that activity at all. We should make that illegal immediately. What is the benefit of that?

• 1:33:43Speaker 04

  And I guess you're, you're so tight, you can't even like. Move your arms to when you're falling back down, stop. Cause you're stuck like this. And you can't even move your, cause I was like, well, I need to stop himself, but you can't. Cause you're like this, trapped.

• 1:33:57Speaker 06

  Why didn't he back in? If you don't know where that like where it's gonna end, if there's even an end, why didn't you back in?

• 1:34:04Speaker 04

  Cause I guess you need to see where you're going.

• 1:34:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, this one's stressing me out.

• 1:34:09Speaker 04

  I hate this.

• 1:34:10Speaker 06

  But how is this? The guy's climbing the side of a building. There's only two things that could happen. He makes it to the top or dies. And this stresses you out?

• 1:34:19Speaker 05

  Both stress me out.

• 1:34:20Speaker 06

  That one is stressing me out, but it's not as crazy though.

• 1:34:24Speaker 04

  Being buried alive. It's like my greatest fear in the world.

• 1:34:26Speaker 06

  Really?

• 1:34:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:34:27Speaker 06

  And, and how does that like manifest itself?

• 1:34:29Speaker 04

  It's not like my actual fear, but like if you think about what's the worst way to die.

• 1:34:35Speaker 04

  That scene in Kill Bill is like, I'd just die. I would just give up.

• 1:34:40Speaker 06

  When you watch the Mr. Beast thing where he's buried alive.

• 1:34:42Speaker 04

  Can't even watch it.

• 1:34:44Speaker 05

  David Blaine did it?

• 1:34:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, I hear you on that dude. That is just. But like, do you think backflipping is cool?

• 1:34:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, it looks cool.

• 1:34:53Speaker 06

  It's cool. It's cool because it's hard to do, like most people can't. And it's a little dangerous.

• 1:35:00Speaker 05

  Yes, a little dangerous, yes.

• 1:35:01Speaker 06

  But if you can pull it off, it's sick. This is just that times a bajillion.

• 1:35:05Speaker 05

  Nah, but this is like death.

• 1:35:08Speaker 06

  Or you succeed. Does a backflip. You get hurt or you do a backflip. Yeah, but backflip, people aren't dying doing backflips. But if you want to be more hardcore, you just stretch that out. That's what I'm saying. You guys need to be more hardcore.

• 1:35:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, why do we feel that need?

• 1:35:21Speaker 06

  I don't get the need.

• 1:35:22Speaker 05

  Like the people that jump from building to building. I watch that on Instagram all the time. I don't understand what they do. I saw a guy jump from a building onto a light pole and slide down.

• 1:35:29Speaker 06

  I hate watching. You like those, don't you?

• 1:35:31Speaker 05

  I don't think I like it.

• 1:35:32Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:35:33Speaker 05

  I just think I can't look away.

• 1:35:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:35:35Speaker 04

  I think watching humans do incredible things is cool. Football is cool because it's human beings doing incredible things. Basketball is cool because it's human beings doing incredible things.

• 1:35:43Speaker 06

  Honestly, I feel this is a cultural thing. Like, I think you grew up seeing all the extreme stuff and then it like...

• 1:35:49Speaker 05

  We're desensitized to it.

• 1:35:50Speaker 06

  Yes.

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• 1:37:23Speaker 05

  It's watching porn.

• 1:37:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:37:24Speaker 05

  It's like you're just watching regular fucking and that's funny and like and you grew up culturally not watching these things.

• 1:37:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:37:30Speaker 05

  So when you see somebody like do a kickflip, you're like, what the fuck? We need to see somebody climb a building.

• 1:37:35Speaker 06

  That's why we're blown away by magic.

• 1:37:36Speaker 05

  That's the wildest shit. I think it's because y'all believe it a little bit.

• 1:37:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:37:41Speaker 05

  I do, I do think y'all believe it a little bit.

• 1:37:43Speaker 06

  Nah, nah, nah.

• 1:37:44Speaker 05

  A little.

• 1:37:45Speaker 06

  A little. I think we are very like spiritual and it's like nah, that may be the devil's work right there. So stay away from us.

• 1:37:52Speaker 05

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:37:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what he said.

• 1:37:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:54Speaker 06

  Alright, fuck you then. That's granted.

• 1:37:57Speaker 06

  Ask a Christian person about like spells and they'd be like, nah, I don't fuck with that shit. Yeah, we don't.

• 1:38:02Speaker 05

  So my, uh, my nanny won't read.

• 1:38:05Speaker 04

  Harry Potter?

• 1:38:06Speaker 05

  Halloween books.

• 1:38:09Speaker 06

  Wait, what?

• 1:38:10Speaker 05

  Spot, Spot has a Halloween party. It was around Halloween and I was like, oh yeah, Shala really likes this book. And she's like, oh, okay, that's great. And I was like, do you want to maybe, you know, give it a check? And she's like, I'll let you read that one. And I was like, are you not into this? She's like, no, no, no, nothing with the demons. I know.

• 1:38:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:38:28Speaker 05

  I go, what about Harry Potter? She's like, of course not. I don't. And then I was like, no, but I mean, I don't want to, you know, impose my cultural values on you at all, but like, it's just like for fun, whatever. She said something like, the devil's always fun. She said something like. Specific bars. There's bars, dude. What is the word like?

• 1:38:48Speaker 06

  The devil's not a guy with horns and a pitchfork. He comes to you as everything you always wanted.

• 1:38:52Speaker 05

  Exactly. Something like that. She said something and I was like, whoo.

• 1:38:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, that shit'll get you. I mean, it's easy for me to make fun of because I'm like, oh, I was like Halloween, but also I would never do a Ouija board.

• 1:39:03Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't fuck with that shit neither. Oh, I would do that. I don't fuck with that shit neither. I don't fuck with that shit neither.

• 1:39:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, I wouldn't do a Ouija board.

• 1:39:09Speaker 05

  Son, I know, yeah.

• 1:39:10Speaker 06

  I've never seen a ghost or nothing like that, but I wouldn't, I just wouldn't.

• 1:39:12Speaker 04

  It was like a thing.

• 1:39:13Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:39:14Speaker 06

  The way that you feel about implying that. That's how I feel about a Ouija board, bro.

• 1:39:18Speaker 05

  We're walking down the street because Mark was dealing with this like existential threat of, uh, of, of what is it? What is the word? Uh.

• 1:39:26Speaker 06

  What?

• 1:39:26Speaker 05

  Uh, when we were walking to Wolfgang's.

• 1:39:28Speaker 06

  Oh, paranoia?

• 1:39:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, he was dealing with this existential threat of like paranoia. He's like, do you ever get paranoid? Is that like something that affects you at all? And I'm like, nah, I don't, not really. I don't really get paranoid that much.

• 1:39:37Speaker 06

  About what? I wasn't dealing with it, I just brought it up.

• 1:39:39Speaker 05

  Yeah. As I'm saying that, I veer off the sidewalk into oncoming traffic, right? As I'm going, nah, I don't really, it's just not something I even think about. And then Mark just starts laughing and he goes, what are you doing? And I go, oh, there's a ladder right there. I'm not gonna walk on it or anything. Yeah, you're mine.

• 1:39:57Speaker 06

  Avoids the whole ladder onto the street.

• 1:39:59Speaker 05

  I take oncoming Toyotas over a ladder.

• 1:40:02Speaker 06

  And I followed him.

• 1:40:05Speaker 06

  Because I'm not gonna be the dumbass to be like, well, I'll go through the ladder. He knows some shit I don't know, so I'm gonna go around it.

• 1:40:12Speaker 04

  Also, when we were kids, 90's sitcoms always had a Ouija board episode where some, they fuck with the Ouija board and something bad happened. And every time I was like, why would you ever?

• 1:40:19Speaker 05

  What's the point? That's my ladder shit. It's so easy to walk around the ladder.

• 1:40:24Speaker 06

  Into traffic, yeah.

• 1:40:25Speaker 05

  I still don't step on cracks because I don't want to hurt my mom. If you step on a crack, you break your mom's back. That's what they say. And I still avoid cracks in this day. Damn. Yeah. I have to change the pace of my walk.

• 1:40:39Speaker 06

  Really? You actually?

• 1:40:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, swear to God.

• 1:40:41Speaker 06

  You don't want to crack her back?

• 1:40:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:45Speaker 05

  What? Relax. What? My mom watching.

• 1:40:51Speaker 06

  Wait, why?

• 1:40:51Speaker 05

  With all due respect.

• 1:40:53Speaker 06

  I don't want anyone's back to get hurt.

• 1:40:55Speaker 05

  Hey, my mom was telling me, she don't respect the all due respect.

• 1:41:03Mark Gagnon?

  So I'll just let you know, the next time she sees you, she gonna have some words with you.

• 1:41:07Speaker 05

  Miss Media, Miss Media, I love you, Miss Media. You know I love you, it's with all due respect.

• 1:41:13Speaker 04

  I feel I've only said kind things.

• 1:41:15Mark Gagnon?

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• 1:41:16Speaker 05

  Mark was talking about getting your back cracked, and I feel like with all due respect, that is a violation.

• 1:41:21Speaker 06

  You don't step on cracks, that's our whole thing, right?

• 1:41:23Mark Gagnon?

  You don't step on cracks.

• 1:41:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, but you immediately jumped to her back getting a crack, which I think is not with all due respect conversation.

• 1:41:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't want her vertebrae to get fucked up.

• 1:41:31Speaker 05

  From what?

• 1:41:32Speaker 06

  Slipping on some dick.

• 1:41:34Speaker 05

  Oh no!

• 1:41:35Speaker 06

  Sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 1:41:37Speaker 05

  What's wrong with this guy?

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