50 Cent on Diddy’s Life In Prison, Eminem, & Street Fighter Reaction

The LEGEND is here this week, we're talking: - Emmy award Diddy doc - Preparing for Balrog - Securing unreleased Tupac song - Eminem being the bridge for Hip-Hop - Rivalry with Jay-Z - Street Fighter filming experience INDULDGE Timestamps: 0:00 50 Cent had Covid 2:01 Andrew turning down 50's watch 4:55 50 Cent is a green-thumb 7:13 Would 50 wear fake jewelry? 8:27 Fashion, Fragrances & FINGERNAILS? 12:01 50 supporting Tony Yayo 13:46 Emmy award winner + Documentaries = scary 16:35 Diddy should have filed bankruptcy 18:55 Jail massages 20:22 More dangerous in Hollywood + Daphne Joy 23:18 Sharing the same women + Special skillset 24:40 Prep for Balrog + Remaining aloof 28:52 Bitcoin, Being grounded + Flo Rida 35:02 Unreleased Tupac song, Being "cultured" + Mobb Deep 38:41 Tearing down success + How To Rob 43:30 No 50 Cent without Eminem 49:18 The reason we have so much Tupac music 51:05 Jay-Z allegations, Eminem is the draw & Renegade 54:32 Jay-Z isn't the opp + Losing to Def Jam 58:46 TV/Film is HARD, Tyler Perry + Pulling Power 1:05:27 Hollywood x diversity, Beef + Staying himself 1:13:09 Don't doubt the New York Knicks 1:16:21 Hollywood's worse than gang life + Straight talking 1:20:20 Shreveport Studio, Massive comedy show + Impact 1:26:51 Street Fighter + 50 believes in MAGIC 1:31:45 50 Cent into horror movies? Paranormal activities 1:36:08 Trauma, Aggression & Fear 1:40:41 Duet with Beyonce + Jay-Z saw the flood 1:44:26 Full faith in God 1:46:55 Jay-Z line about 50 Cent + Kendrick Lamar 1:49:49 50 with Jim Carrey 1:51:13 Street Fighter Oct 16th + Politicking This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. #50cent #streetfighter #diddy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  What's up everybody, welcome to Flag. Our guest today has the deeply annoying habit of being good at everything that he does. Music dominated, business made a fortune, television built an empire, throwing out the first pitch at a Mets game.

• 0:15Mark Gagnon?

  Terrible.

• 0:16Speaker 00

  Okay, maybe not everything.

• 0:17Mark Gagnon?

  That was the worst.

• 0:18Speaker 00

  It might have been. The point is, the guy has 14 different dream careers. He still finds time to wake up every morning, go on Instagram and ruin somebody's day. Calling him successful at this point would be an insult. He's inevitable. Ladies and gentlemen, the Thanos to the entertainment industry, ball rug and street fighter, out October 16th. We got Curtis, 50 Cent, Jackson.

• 0:43Mark Gagnon?

  Let's go.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  Yo, man, I wanted to congratulate you for being COVID, man.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  You know, I was lit. Rappers are late to everything and shit, right? I said COVID like life.

• 0:56Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 0:57Speaker 02

  Like a week, two weeks ago, bro.

• 0:59Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 0:59Speaker 03

  That's lately.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  Lately.

• 1:02Mark Gagnon?

  Everybody's dead from the shit already. You gonna bring it back around?

• 1:06Speaker 02

  I got kind of like, what?

• 1:07Speaker 03

  How did you get COVID?

• 1:08Speaker 02

  I don't know. I thought that was for population control, to be honest.

• 1:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  Disease comes into play and it attacks people with existing illnesses and like elderly people.

• 1:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  That doesn't have a strong immune system. That don't seem a little perfect?

• 1:31Mark Gagnon?

  You on too many YouTube videos.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Bro, population, too many fucking people in the world, man.

• 1:38Speaker 00

  This is what happens when you're in the house for a week with COVID. You start watching YouTube videos.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  I can't go like this. I ain't supposed to go out over no shit like this.

• 1:48Speaker 00

  You think you were gonna die or you were good?

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Nah, I was sick, sick though. I don't understand. You know, you just get cold and shit?

• 1:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  You know, like, I don't know, I'm like, I thought I had the flu.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:59Speaker 00

  Bro, first of all, I just want to say, I saw the watch poking out from the sleeve and I wanted to know if that's my watch.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Just, no, I have a watch for you.

• 2:08Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  It's very nice and I'm gonna give it to you regardless of whether you want it or not.

• 2:12Speaker 00

  People don't believe that story when I tell it.

• 2:14Speaker 03

  That's the craziest story.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that is a true story.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  Can you tell it again?

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Okay, look, I am not a clumsy person, right?

• 2:22Speaker 02

  I am not. So, I get to, I come, the first day I make it to Australia, everybody is already there, the cast has been acquainted already, they already communicated with the director and they in a comfortable place. We sit, we have dinner, we talking and I just, I go, yeah, and turn and Andrew, look, it was, I sat next to him because I'm more comfortable. I don't know these people from nowhere, the other actors and shit like that. So I just go, let me just be where I'm comfortable. I know I'm home, or at least I know this person. Then the other thing, I'm like, yo, I spilled the water on him and I'm like, what the fuck? And this is in front of all of these new people. This is shit people do to agitate me for real.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Like, I'm like, yo, no, and he's like, it's all right, it's all right. And I'm like, no, like, here, take this, uh, because everybody stopped laughing when I said that shit too, right?

• 3:17Speaker 02

  It was like, oh shit, oh shit. I'm like, yo, yeah, no, I, take this, I want you to have this because I did that. That was a mistake.

• 3:24Speaker 00

  Don't give me that one. Because I'm not making the same mistake twice.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  Nah, this is very, very, very nice. I have a very, very nice one for you.

• 3:33Mark Gagnon?

  I gotta position this so you can spill it on me too?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  No, that was, yeah.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would not mind getting some water out of this.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  But that, you know, I wanted to give it to him. You know, I like, for me, a lot of the stuff that I be doing, it just be,

• 3:49Speaker 02

  like, I just have to want to do it. Like, because I don't, I don't even, like, I miss going to, like, going out, like, going to do shit. I didn't do nothing all year.

• 4:00Speaker 00

  Wait, why?

• 4:01Speaker 02

  But I just was working.

• 4:02Speaker 00

  But you're always working. You've been working for the last 20 years.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  I just didn't stop to just go do something randomly. You know what I'm saying? Because then, I'm usually where everybody's going to have fun and party shit like that. Too, so I'm in those environments, but I never went, like, all year, I didn't do nothing. Like, because I have a lot of the things that

• 4:22Speaker 02

  that I, like, wanted.

• 4:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  And then, and now it's like, okay, kind of used to that shit. Like, my car is collect exotic dust, like, the dust is exotic.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  It's like two shits, I'm walking past them shits every day, bro. Right there in the back of the truck, boom. And I'm riding around the city, the money's in the back of the SUV in New York. It is not flash, it's not being shown.

• 4:46Speaker 00

  Nobody driving a Lamborghini in New York City.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Nah, not for, that is a recreational day in the middle of everything else that's going on. And it's just not the way New York City culture.

• 4:56Speaker 00

  What's the most pointless shit you bought? Like, it seems like you're communicating at this, at this point, it's like, you've had the money, you've had the success, and you realize that most of it is just frivolous and not such that you wasted.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Shit for your yard.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  That's what it is.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm on Pinterest, I'm on Pinterest.

• 5:15Speaker 00

  Landscaping, special trees.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Why does this guy's got a fucking garden? It looks like somebody, Disney did it. Like that, huh? I want to walk around shit like that when there's nothing to do. Like, it just make it oddly cool, right? And then you go, and it is like a one-time spin. You get the right gardener in there, the guys in there to plant it.

• 5:37Speaker 00

  And then it grows on its own for a second.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's there.

• 5:40Mark Gagnon?

  That's some big money shit, because you know names of trees and shit like that.

• 5:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, he's on out here. Maple, nah, it's weird you do get it a year.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Giants are private trees and shit like that, all the stuff they do. But that, look, the zone process.

• 5:52Speaker 00

  Evergreen, you know what I mean? Because you need that block because you're in a winter.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  You need it to open up. You can't see nothing in there, man. That shit turned into one wall.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  All the trees down there.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  But it's weirdly expensive. You try to go buy a tree and they're like, oh yeah, it's a $10,000 tree.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, some of like the Asian trees and shit like that. I got two, like, sleeping willows.

• 6:12Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah. Those are nice.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  No, they're ugly trees, but they look nice. They, they, they're ugly trees, but they're expensive, bro.

• 6:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  So when I saw how much it cost, I said, oh, keep it.

• 6:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  That was like the shit in Mike's crib, like, you had awnings around the house.

• 6:29Speaker 00

  The weeping willow.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, he had these, these just, yeah, they look like the trees, like, leaning over and shit.

• 6:36Speaker 00

  Oh, we have a special delivery, by the way. This is how you cure COVID right here.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  This is the cure.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Feel like we celebrating.

• 6:44Speaker 00

  We are celebrating, man. We got a movie coming out.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  Can I ask you one more question about this watch?

• 6:48Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  The watch that you had offered him.

• 6:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  I don't want to, you know, money, sometimes you talk about money, it's a little bit.

• 6:53Speaker 00

  Can be ugly.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  It's a little ugly, but if you had to estimate, how many zeros are on the end of the price of that watch? Like, is it a pretty expensive watch?

• 7:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, it's about $45,000.

• 7:05Speaker 00

  But then you just ice the whole thing out?

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, nah, it was, the diamonds all over the model, the giant, it's just, it was the Rolex one.

• 7:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, the one that he tried to give you.

• 7:14Speaker 00

  Is there a point where you, it's like, everybody knows you have it, so you just wear fake shit?

• 7:18Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 7:20Speaker 00

  You can't do it?

• 7:21Speaker 02

  No, look, look.

• 7:22Speaker 00

  How would you wear fake shit, bro?

• 7:24Speaker 02

  All of this shit, but all of this shit is in short.

• 7:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Right?

• 7:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  And they're kind of, you know, like, if anything happens, things go missing. People around and, you know.

• 7:35Speaker 00

  You're laughing, buddy.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  Why is that so scary when you say that?

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Some of these guys, their demons are stronger than them.

• 7:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  And you know, and I don't, you get mad, and like, I look, when I can't find something, I go, yo, where that ring, was that, like, a chain was missing?

• 7:51Speaker 00

  And someone stole it?

• 7:52Speaker 02

  Where the fuck is the chain at, bro?

• 7:53Speaker 00

  Nah, somebody stole it?

• 7:54Speaker 02

  Nah, I know I didn't, I thought I probably left it in Houston or one of the other spots because I do be taking this shit off and just leaving this shit. You know, like, I didn't even have jewelry on today. I was suited and walking around in suits.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  He was very professional.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 00

  He was salmon pants.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, you know, I am confident when I wear salmon pants.

• 8:14Speaker 02

  Bro, it had the blue stripes in it. The master blue jacket, tie everything for you. I'm sure I do it.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Like, they say all they want to say about their clothes, like, you know what I'm saying? But listen, I think the fashion piece is the first piece, bro.

• 8:31Speaker 00

  What you mean?

• 8:31Speaker 02

  Like, but when you saw Hustlin', the first thing that changes is your sneakers.

• 8:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 8:35Speaker 00

  Oh, interesting.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  The shoes, and then they start the outfits, right? And then, like, even the, for male children, you can tell when their nuts is full and they start getting in the fragrances.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Like, because the compliment of, oh, you smell good, and they're like, ah.

• 8:53Speaker 00

  Oh, they want that.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Yes, that energy from people telling them that. And it's like, okay, like, they felt one step closer to some pussy.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  It does, that's what it's doing, like.

• 9:04Speaker 03

  But when does nail polish come in?

• 9:06Speaker 00

  Nail polish, what about nail polish?

• 9:07Mark Gagnon?

  That's like final boss level.

• 9:08Speaker 03

  That's final boss? That's like Kingpin.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Listen, nail polish thing.

• 9:12Mark Gagnon?

  He got a little ways to get here.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Artist, the thing. It's like the, the person is, they're not in the style, they're a fucking stylist. Like, the person is crazy about it and all this shit in their own intricate way, they figure out to do that because I'm like, yo, bro, I have never had a desire to put rhinestones on my fucking nails, bro. What makes you do that?

• 9:38Mark Gagnon?

  You gotta clean them though, look like you was fucking bagging up last night.

• 9:48Speaker 00

  Fucking guy, scratching my head, okay?

• 9:51Speaker 00

  You know, you know what?

• 9:52Mark Gagnon?

  I respect that.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  Try somebody else, you don't try me, man. What the fuck?

• 10:01Speaker 02

  I'm not cool with the nail polish shit. I was acting cool because it was all right. He was on the show, Andrew. I was being cool with you, nigga. God damn it. Yes, I know it was something cool about him. He got that, he from Queens?

• 10:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  That's, that's where it is.

• 10:18Speaker 00

  Far Rock, beach community. Far Rock too, what part?

• 10:21Mark Gagnon?

  Uh, Marath.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  Fuck Marath.

• 10:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 10:23Speaker 00

  Shit, yeah, he, come on, he know everything. He remembers where.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  He got me involved to know because the shit is around you. If you're not paying attention, you gonna get ate up by it.

• 10:33Speaker 00

  He did, he got pushed off.

• 10:35Speaker 02

  Ah, shit be happening, so, you know, you gotta.

• 10:38Speaker 00

  You gotta paint your nails. You gotta do some different career.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  I'm a civilian.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Bitch, I ain't do nothing.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  That shit'll get you out of trouble. That's the whole, thought I was a gang banger?

• 10:57Speaker 02

  What the fuck kind of gang you thought I was with?

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Are you still a little bit mad because Tony Yayo and Uncle Murdo were calling you out?

• 11:03Speaker 00

  Can we bring out the Tony? Can we bust out that?

• 11:06Speaker 02

  Don't worry about that, something wrong with him.

• 11:09Mark Gagnon?

  As long as you know.

• 11:10Speaker 00

  Fab is better than Banks.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Yo, you know what Banks would say? You got your nails painted, you can't give an eye.

• 11:16Speaker 00

  He was saying that Eminem's overrated.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  He was talking crazy, show, look at Sean the Nail, show.

• 11:24Speaker 04

  You take his opinion in hip hop.

• 11:25Speaker 00

  Old head nigga, man.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  We're going to a Diddy party, niggas gonna be dancing.

• 11:32Speaker 00

  Nah, I didn't, but I wish I did. What are you gonna talk about on the pod?

• 11:37Speaker 04

  We're talking about you, nigga.

• 11:40Speaker 04

  Niggas like you with painted nails and opinions.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  That shit stuck for like a year, bro.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, listen, don't mind him, man, cause he's like, you know, especially like kids make it to television. You know, shit happens. Like, that nigga's crazy, bro. The shit he says out of his mouth is nuts, man. I cringe when some of the shit he start talking.

• 12:02Speaker 00

  How do you feel about them doing the pod now?

• 12:04Speaker 02

  I'm supportive of whatever they do, but I'm like, what are you, like, I was like, what you was saying, like, what are you gonna talk about? Like, what you gonna do?

• 12:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  And, you know, he got an interesting insight on a culture like hip hop.

• 12:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  So he got, cause he is a student of it and been.

• 12:23Speaker 00

  You're good, you're good.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  And been around the music and paid attention to it early on, cause before being a solo artist, he was in a group with Rough Hands, like with a DJ. So he knows everybody else's records.

• 12:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  From that period.

• 12:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, you can tell he loves the game.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  And then he's been with you forever, so he, he's a loyal guy, too.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah, hell, yeah. He'll go to whatever, but he says crazy shit, like, and I'm like, what the fuck you say that for, boy?

• 12:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? Like, yo.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's nice, cause you never say anything crazy or controversial, like.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Not like that, cause when I'm talking about this shit, I'm talking about, like, everything that, like, I don't care about what these people say, like, he'll tell you what the fuck, what you did.

• 13:09Speaker 00

  Shut the fuck up, man.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? Like, you can tell them what happened for.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Like, you're saying, tell a guy, say, no, you fucking crazy. He'll shoot you, he shot this one. What? That's like, that's for the drill, artist.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  These girls, these guys are crazy. Like, they're kids, they come up, they haven't had an opportunity to have, like, a lot of experiences, so they use the actual experiences that they just did.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  You see what I'm saying? It just happened. Writing about is, man, ain't no statute of limitations on that. That shit's still sitting there.

• 13:45Speaker 00

  Bro, we didn't, we didn't congratulate you, by the way, on your Emmy, man.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. When people don't like, he do nice things for me.

• 13:55Speaker 00

  Really?

• 13:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Jay-Z didn't like me? Didn't want me at the Super Bowl?

• 13:58Speaker 00

  Uh-huh. Got an Emmy.

• 14:01Speaker 00

  What you don't like?

• 14:03Speaker 00

  Got an Emmy. I keep getting Emmys. Who don't like me now? I'm looking for who, cause I just fucked up and I'll get an Emmy. I'll get my next Emmy. Is a documentary worse than a diss track?

• 14:17Speaker 02

  I think, when you have that much shit in your closet, it's worse. Cause you know, like, and it's not, none of this shit top secret, bro. It is like common knowledge under the radar.

• 14:30Speaker 00

  Oh, it was.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Like, people in the industry know.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  Everybody knows, yeah.

• 14:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  You know, even Kevin Williams was saying, yo, you gotta tell him, no, like, he wanna party, like, he wanna party, like.

• 14:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  And I'm like, why you want the man in there that much?

• 14:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  You want, it's important that you there, like.

• 14:47Speaker 00

  Are you, I mean, he's getting out soon. Are you concerned, yo?

• 14:49Speaker 02

  No, I have shooters.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Fire, bitch.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  You thought it was just you. You thought she was the only one, huh? Okay, okay, okay.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  Why you think I've been comfortable doing this bullshit this long?

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Come on, bro.

• 15:10Speaker 00

  Once again, most important date drop, October 16th, Friday, Street Fighter is in theaters around the world. Let's blow this shit out. We're watching as a family. You're taking your parents, you're taking your kids. We're all going out and we are indulging, okay? We are indulging in this absolute chaos, madness, poetry, resilience, brotherhood, and humor. Also, October 23rd, 24th, I'm gonna be in Indianapolis doing stand-up. November 6th and 7th, I'm gonna be in Birmingham, Alabama, doing stand-up. November 13th and 14th, I'll be in Cleveland. I think that's sold out. December 4th and 5th, I'll be in Raleigh. I think that's sold out.

• 15:52Speaker 00

  December 11th, the 12th, I'll be in Columbus. There might be tickets available, theandrewshultz.com for all of those dates.

• 16:00Speaker 03

  Great news. I'm gonna be on the road as well, not only doing some shows with Schultz, but I'll be headlining my own shows in Chandler, Arizona, at the Ice House in Pasadena, at Mic Drop in San Diego, California, and then, of course, Detroit and Salt Lake City in the new year. I would love for you guys to come on out. Thank you so much. Alex.

• 16:17Speaker 05

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• 16:35Speaker 00

  He seems to be enjoying himself in jail, though. Like, is that a normal thing?

• 16:40Speaker 02

  You know, he's not the kind of guy that would, you know, I think, look, I would have been filed bankruptcy.

• 16:46Speaker 00

  What you mean?

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Like, I would immediately have filed bankruptcy after paying Cassie. So it sent the signal that the money was not just.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  Oh, because once people get paid, everybody else wants to get paid.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  And then they want the maximum amount. If they're watching, I just pulled 30 million off, he even thought, niggas is looking at it like, he just paid that like that, that quick.

• 17:09Speaker 00

  So if it's that easy, then there's plenty more there. That's the message that you sent. Even handling the lawsuits is probably expensive.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  That's what made them attorneys just drop him. Like, he just won the ability to move forward on the lawsuit that he had against the New York Times, well, the Daily News or something like that.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  And that's why I was like, why'd they drop him? Cause he just, it's the same law firm, but then they got 60 other sexual assault claims on him. So for two years old, 60 other sexual assault claims at 100, 150,000, that's about nine million dollars.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  So it doesn't matter what you're gonna get from the Daily News?

• 17:47Speaker 02

  No, you're gonna, what the fuck you mean? The bill is nine, is nine million dollars for, yeah, for your other cases. Cause those, you gotta respond to the cases, you gotta respond to the courts and the system.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  But you don't think he got it?

• 18:02Speaker 00

  You don't think he got it? Like, I feel like he got it.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Okay. Let's see how long you've been saying that shit.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Let's see how long you've been saying that shit. When you go, of course, you overestimate how much is actually.

• 18:16Speaker 00

  Liquid.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, you might have to sell some things, too.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  And a lot of stuff, lifestyle, you might be spending that kind of money per year because the IRS is coming anyway. You gotta do lifestyle shit, right?

• 18:27Speaker 00

  So you gotta spend it so you don't have to pay taxes on it?

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it's, I mean, when I was, when I was seeing the shit that he was doing in jail.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Pay people, though.

• 18:38Speaker 00

  Say what?

• 18:39Speaker 02

  You imagine you wanna pay the people?

• 18:41Speaker 00

  You don't see any real consistent thing of them not getting paid around?

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was true.

• 18:46Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Now, like, people that I was working for, they were like.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Pay them. What the fuck you not paying the people that is moving you forward?

• 18:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:52Speaker 03

  Oh. Yeah, I've heard stories like that.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 00

  How, how common is it to get a massage in jail?

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Very uncommon, like, even fucking step on your back shit, like, oh, what is your back, broken? The fucking world, you're like, I gotta be, I gotta have a broken back to be asking a nigga to come step on my back? That's probably what's creating the fucking fights, right? I step on your back, he feels intensely closer to you now.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  You a fool.

• 19:23Speaker 00

  I work on your body.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  I mean, that's what the news reports.

• 19:26Speaker 03

  The news reports that he's getting money and he's paying people every single month to get, like, massages, get food.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  He got enough money to do that?

• 19:32Speaker 00

  But there gotta be a guy like.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  You gotta understand that under those circumstances, the people around have money, bro. Not everybody in that type of facility, this is a federal facility. They, they don't.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, at a fed facility, you got, like, white collar crime, people haven't paid taxes, so you got somebody massaging for the love of the game.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  I said, they massage for the love.

• 19:54Speaker 00

  Like, that's their passion.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  You understand, like, they wanna lick your back. You understand, this shit is different, bro. Who the fuck's offering the massage?

• 20:04Speaker 02

  Those niggas got Kool-Aid packets on their lips and shit. You know, it's a different thing going on here, bro. Trust me.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  And apparently, he's got an Instagram. That's what they said. He's got, like, an anonymous Instagram that he's.

• 20:15Speaker 00

  The rumor is that he watched The Doc. That's the rumor.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they said that.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  But who hasn't watched it?

• 20:21Speaker 02

  You know, I mean.

• 20:22Speaker 00

  Somehow you became more dangerous as you got entrenched in Hollywood.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  No, that, look, I went into, when I was looking, like, I had it in development, I had it in development.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Six months before I met Alex, like, I had met Alex and worked out with her or something else with her, but six months before I brought it to her, for her to actually be the head and the showrunner on it.

• 20:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  And when she got to it, she was the right person for that. Like, she built it out with not, it wasn't biased, you know what I'm saying? Like, you wanna tell the story, not, not, you know, make a hit piece.

• 20:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. How'd you get the cameraman that was following him around? Cause like, that was.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Bam.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  So, like, how close to the release of The Doc did you get that? Cause it seemed like that was very recent.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'll be catching this day. That was like, right, like, days before you got picked up.

• 21:16Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's like, you know, it was a plan himself, like, people don't realize that he was, he's a reality star.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Like, he done making the band and, and these other shows to prop him up as far as the visibility.

• 21:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  And he was already on that.

• 21:37Mark Gagnon?

  Was there anything you didn't include in the doc out of fear of getting sued? Or maybe you couldn't substantiate it? And it was just kind of like a rumor you heard, but you were like, no, we can't put it in?

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Oh, a whole bunch of stuff, like, like, it's worse than, than the doc. Like, a lot of the stuff that people were saying that you didn't put into it because...

• 21:56Speaker 00

  Because then you're liable and...

• 21:57Speaker 02

  You gotta fact check and have some sort of something.

• 22:00Speaker 00

  Journalistic integrity.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then there's a...

• 22:04Mark Gagnon?

  What were some of those rumors, let's just call it?

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Nah.

• 22:07Speaker 00

  Don't get yourself in trouble.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  You should act for like shit that's like cooler, like, like, uh, baby mother shit, alright? Like, I've, I've been on that for a year ahead of that happening.

• 22:19Speaker 00

  Where what?

• 22:20Speaker 02

  But the baby mothers over there freaking off and shit like that.

• 22:23Speaker 00

  Who?

• 22:24Speaker 02

  Well, Puff.

• 22:25Speaker 00

  Oh, yours?

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Jane Doe.

• 22:28Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  While that's there, like, you know, that's not, this is a woman I haven't kissed in the mouth in 12 years. Thirteen years, my son's 14.

• 22:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  Alright, so, when, when that's happening, it's like, and they wanna count, oh, it's 50's baby mother. So what? That's Jason Derulo's ex. That's this.

• 22:47Speaker 00

  Don't put that on me.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  You know how many motherfuckers' names would be called in that? Like, she fucked with a whole lot of, I don't wanna say it, but, you know.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Because then they look at the tape and my son see me saying it instead of everybody else saying it.

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:01Mark Gagnon?

  And they're trying to attach to you because you're the biggest person.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, and then, because we actually was arguing. So, it looks like, you know, well, Puff got a habit of dealing with people that had previously dealt with somebody. Like, he getting gratification out of...

• 23:17Speaker 00

  He likes to get behind somebody.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  It's confirmation of you hot, because this person is enamored by you when they used to be with somebody else.

• 23:24Mark Gagnon?

  What is that? I don't, I'm not gonna say just only rappers do it, but it is, it seems like in the rap community, a lot of people do that.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, why is that? I fucked your bitch.

• 23:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, is it just so you could say that? I fucked your bitch?

• 23:34Speaker 02

  I don't know if that's just the motivation, but they are excited by women that have been around someone else, like...

• 23:40Speaker 00

  Because it validates them.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:42Speaker 00

  Like, if this girl chooses me and she shows that person...

• 23:45Speaker 02

  And she's excited, because, look, these, these hoes, they be excited, like, these bitches be wanting to play house. Be playing house with me, ho, you know you been all over the place, you all over the place. Just be all over the place, don't come playing house, acting different. Like, you got a, a moral compass or a base and you don't just do what you've fucking been doing.

• 24:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  You know?

• 24:06Mark Gagnon?

  But are the dudes doing it because they want that notch in their belt? Or they just wanna have something over that other dude?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  Well, for me personally, it's not a notch. You know what I'm saying? Like, but, you know, some of them have this special skill set. Like, that boy with Nielsen?

• 24:21Speaker 00

  Who's Nielsen?

• 24:22Speaker 02

  And when you kidnap the kid, he says, I got this special skill set.

• 24:26Speaker 00

  Liam Neeson.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that motherfucker. You know that Who?

• 24:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  That motherfucker suck your socks off with your shoes on.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  It's different when you ain't gotta push her.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay, speaking of, of movies, though. People don't believe me sometimes when I say that you didn't eat for a month for Street Fighter.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, no, I was, it was very little. And it was like the eating for fuel instead of for pleasure.

• 24:53Speaker 00

  But my understanding was you were doing liquid diet for like a month.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  I've been able to do that since I got shot.

• 25:01Speaker 00

  That's how you learned it?

• 25:02Speaker 02

  No, no, that, I went through six weeks.

• 25:05Speaker 00

  Of no food?

• 25:05Speaker 02

  With no, with no food, just liquid. And I had to take the insurers and stuff like that to still have the right nutrition.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  But, but I can, I can go on liquids. Especially if I'm doing like intense cardio or stuff like that, because that suppresses my appetite.

• 25:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  They, you know, people, they got all the kind of shit out there that could help you now, but, you know, I, I just been doing it that, the, the way I did it.

• 25:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  The old fashioned way, but...

• 25:30Speaker 00

  Was it weird being in one place and having nothing to do for the first time in 20 years?

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that was great, like, I felt like I was on vacation.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Because I move around so much and shit, like, when I'm in one spot and I'm here for like 30 days and the, the gym part is like, that's lifestyle for me too.

• 25:47Speaker 00

  But what were you doing? Would you leave the hotel? Would you just go for walks? Like, you had to be a regular human being for the first time since you were probably 15 years old.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Look at this, like, I, I don't go out, I didn't go anywhere a lot while we was there too, I think, because Australia. See, I always be feeling like, if you pay to see me, you should see me for free.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  Oh, so you're trying to like remove yourself?

• 26:09Speaker 02

  Some everything, all those things.

• 26:11Speaker 00

  Wait a minute, do you think that that...

• 26:12Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, that's interesting.

• 26:12Speaker 00

  So that's like the old school celebrity thing, right? Where like, back in the day when we were growing up, you would only get to see George Clooney or some shit in a movie. Right, like, and then with Instagram, social media, now you're kind of inundated with celebrities.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  You can see more of their, their lifestyle.

• 26:28Speaker 00

  But do you think that's bad, that we see it so much? Does that make us less likely to go to the theater?

• 26:32Speaker 02

  You know, yes, well, to a point, slightly, like, if you ask certain things, like, if you say, whoa, what kind of car does anybody like...

• 26:45Speaker 02

  When, when they, when they focus on that area, it means they really haven't made it that much.

• 26:49Speaker 00

  What you mean?

• 26:50Speaker 02

  With those, those things.

• 26:51Speaker 00

  Like, when they focus on like the expensive stuff that you...

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, cars and shit like that.

• 26:55Speaker 00

  Like being seen.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, but when you, like, for the most part, you know, the, the, the bigger celebrities, you say, what kind of car do they drive? That's a good question, because they, you don't even know. Because they would be, when you see them, they're getting out of the back of a black SUV.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? And then, it takes, when they on leisure time, that you pop out with what they were, what they like. Like, I don't need everything, I need the shit that I like out of the cool stuff that came out. You know what I'm saying? Like, I pick, I don't say, I'm gonna get every car, like, every, or every one of these shits, because I'm not gonna do nothing but walk past the motherfuckers.

• 27:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  And so, they get on, I just, I know now not to sell them back.

• 27:36Speaker 00

  Why? What's that shit sell back?

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Because like, my Marci Lago, I sold it back and, because it got older to me and the car was, it didn't mean anything to me. I was like, car is a car, again, at least that, that one, you get in it and it drives when you trying to keep.

• 27:49Speaker 00

  Right.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  The other ones, these shits got feelings. Like the Ferraris and shit like that. You gotta pet this motherfucker. Ferrari got a thing where you gotta plug it up on the wall, even though it's a gas car. And I'm like, what the fuck is this, man? You get in a Honda, this shit start when you got this motherfucker. He has 500,000 more than the Honda.

• 28:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  Alright, and it, and this shit won't start when you get ready to go.

• 28:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  You go, what? Couple of times I went to the Ferrari, I, uh, 488?

• 28:21Speaker 02

  The, the 488.

• 28:22Speaker 00

  480?

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like a...

• 28:24Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know, it's like that, yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, it's, it was the Spyder first, and then they changed it.

• 28:30Speaker 00

  Okay, and what happened with it?

• 28:32Speaker 02

  And that shit just was not going outside. I was wanting to go for a ride, but it was not going anywhere. And she was like, nah, I don't feel like it.

• 28:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a fury. 488, wow.

• 28:42Mark Gagnon?

  You drop a couple hundred thousand dollars in a car, get into it, and it doesn't start?

• 28:45Speaker 00

  It better fucking turn on.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  I just like five and change.

• 28:48Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  So you like...

• 28:51Speaker 00

  I heard, I heard a rumor that many years ago you got paid in Bitcoin for a show. Is this true?

• 28:57Speaker 02

  I did, I got paid in Bitcoin, uh, well...

• 29:00Speaker 00

  In like 2014 or something like that?

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, for, for a project, like, one of the projects, I was accepting Bitcoin too. And it never really was like, I was like, yo, yeah, I'll do it. Like, and then, just thinking a different shit to do. And that was a different way to involve people. And get the engagement, then later, I was like, oh shit, I didn't even know that.

• 29:23Speaker 00

  You just forgot about all that?

• 29:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it was, I'm like, I'm counting the money that came back from this. Not the fucking, the Bitcoin was in somewhere else and it got lost in the shuffle with me and then later it popped up.

• 29:35Mark Gagnon?

  They, they reported there was 700 Bitcoin.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it was, it was, bro, 50 cent.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  You know, I just stay as grounded and as cool, as grounded as possible so I could sustain cool.

• 29:49Speaker 00

  Right.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  Because if you're not, like, I think that shit gets to your head and then you start, you know, you're on it, you've been in the bubble.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And that shit's, you can't function like that, you just gotta be...

• 30:03Speaker 00

  Well, how do you, I mean, like, you're in a bubble, but how do you... How do you make sure that you're not, like...

• 30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, it's, it's still...

• 30:11Speaker 00

  You've been famous for fucking 30 years, dude.

• 30:13Speaker 02

  But having an understanding of what is gonna click and go off right away and what's not, like, like, I'll go, if I'm gonna do something in gaming, yeah, I'm, I'll take CLO and, and take it into casinos.

• 30:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  But culturally, even if you, you're not a hardcore gambler, you've learnt the game already. Because it's a part of the East Coast culture, like, just, just life is, at some point you come across it.

• 30:36Mark Gagnon?

  I'm surprised no one has done that yet.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  Head crack?

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:39Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, that's what, oh shit, okay.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, bring it to the casinos, yeah.

• 30:43Speaker 00

  Who's that with you?

• 30:45Speaker 02

  That's Florida, that's my boy.

• 30:46Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 30:47Speaker 02

  Hello.

• 30:49Mark Gagnon?

  You can roll four, five, six, let's go.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  He one of the sleepers. They sleep on him because the music ain't like, I don't know, like gangster shit. But it's top forty crossover.

• 30:58Speaker 00

  He has insane hits. I talk about Florida all the time.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:01Speaker 00

  I'm from Florida, so I tout him as like, you need to look at the catalog.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  Nah, it's no joke. Like, it's really, and then when you travel internationally.

• 31:08Speaker 00

  You hear it.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  I'm like, yo, this shit.

• 31:12Speaker 00

  And he got like the Celsius money in pressure.

• 31:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, he likes.

• 31:16Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  Florida's good forever. He's like, I got stuck in Miami, right, at the Hard Rock. I was doing some shit at Tampa, and then I'm trying to take off, this was, uh, Trump had did something that fucked up all the flights.

• 31:32Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  And then I'm like, yo, I'm, what the fuck? I'm stuck in Florida, and I'm like, yo, he's like, um, hey, tell him, yeah, he can take my plane. And I was like, your plane? Wait, this nigga's had a plane? I'm like, how much money this nigga got? Cause I got a lot of money. I got a lot of money. I just didn't decide to buy a fucking plane. So I'm like this, look, I'm like, the process of, like, you buy the maintenance and then you putting it back.

• 31:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  For somebody else to do it. I just do what someone else does.

• 32:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  That gets your plane when you, like, you buy it, it's cool, I'll take it and use it.

• 32:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  When I get ready to use it.

• 32:10Speaker 00

  You handle the responsibilities.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Yes, so I don't have to think about a fucking plane.

• 32:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  And I hang out, like, I look at boats, like, they're like big holes in the water, and you just dump money. Money never returns. It never comes back. Yeah, shit just goes out. And then I'm like, so I'm like, I, cause I just don't have boat time. If, like, Miami's different, they go, they go around and do little parties and shit on the boat, but that's like a second home.

• 32:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Where you could just take people out on the boat and shit, and there you go.

• 32:37Speaker 00

  So did you take his plane?

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I ended up, yeah, I ended up, yep, I flew back on his plane.

• 32:44Speaker 00

  So he got, he got you the ride back?

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, everybody was stuck. So he had to, he had to turn on the, already on the runway over there, so I flew back on his.

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• 35:28Speaker 00

  Another rumor about Street Fighter. Well, it's not a rumor, it's true. It's the getting the unreleased two box song.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  Was that?

• 35:36Mark Gagnon?

  What's that?

• 35:36Speaker 00

  Was that you?

• 35:37Speaker 02

  Yo, that was not a rumor, it was real.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  That is real. Kale's in it.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he had, they had looked into it and guided, and it was a song that, his original ambition as a writer, his verse version, he wrote it for Mike.

• 35:53Speaker 00

  As a walkout song.

• 35:54Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  So he wrote the song for, for Mike Tyson.

• 35:57Mark Gagnon?

  Get out of here.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Like that, and then.

• 35:59Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, shit.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  I'm a street fighter, you don't wanna fuck with me. I won't deny it.

• 36:04Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  I'm a street fighter, you don't wanna fuck with me.

• 36:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 02

  It turned into the police busting at me.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Can't do shit to a G. But the, the original version of it that he had written, he just, he, look, cause he had done that.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Pac shit is ill because he, to me, he's an art student that took thugging as a thing. Because he was advanced. He's more advanced than the average street writer. Like, the things that the, the street guy would write and, and put into the actual music.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  It's lifestyle shit, yeah, and aggressive shit that he had done because of what people done to him. But, but he, uh,

• 36:56Speaker 02

  would write a poetry book when he wasn't doing that. And would do other things. Prodigy was like that. From Mob D, he's the only other person that I came in contact with that I looked at and was like, yo, nah. Like, you did that, like, like, yeah, I write books, but I have a writer with me writing the book.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  But Prodigy would be doing that.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  So, yeah, he'll do, do the whole shit, like, like, sitting there and proofreading and, and correcting everything in it to, before it goes out.

• 37:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  I'm like, nah, I'm not doing that shit. I'm telling you what the fuck you need to say. This is my book, bro. Write this shit for me.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  So I don't have to deal with every dot and every yawn. You do that part, right?

• 37:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  And they do, they do that shit, and then he, he goes, but he would do the whole thing, and then he, they made fun of it because that he was cultured.

• 37:48Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 37:49Mark Gagnon?

  They made fun of him for being cultured?

• 37:50Speaker 02

  His mom, he had, went to dad's class, and then he had to tutu. Back in the day.

• 37:56Mark Gagnon?

  Similar to you.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  It was a summer jam, summer jam, screen thing where they had him up there. Cause the Mob D music was street music. It was like hard shit. It was real Queensbridge.

• 38:07Speaker 00

  What was it, Desert Storm? I don't remember when that came out.

• 38:10Mark Gagnon?

  Did you know he grew up doing ballet?

• 38:11Speaker 00

  Not ballet, partner dancing. My parents are a dance studio, okay?

• 38:15Speaker 02

  But this is what I'm saying to you.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  He paints his nails.

• 38:17Mark Gagnon?

  We even talk about, he's not trying to throw that on me.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  Get your painting nails on.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Did you know?

• 38:22Speaker 00

  You're pointing me with your painting nails like that?

• 38:26Speaker 00

  I think they did it.

• 38:27Speaker 02

  I was saying you cultured, like, you know.

• 38:29Speaker 00

  We know what you're saying.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  But they exposed to the arts early because the family was already there.

• 38:35Speaker 00

  But that's an advantage.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Yes, but it was, it was a strike against Prodigy or, or a way to clown them.

• 38:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Because of how aggressive or how gangster the lyrics were on the records. And it was like.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  But doesn't that happen, like, once people reach a certain level of success? Like, you see all these people supported on the way up, and then you hit some plateau, and then it's people trying to tear you down.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  All day, all day.

• 39:02Speaker 00

  And that's just with every game, right?

• 39:05Speaker 02

  It's a part of it because they were uncomfortable.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  The artist community itself.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  When you make it, they root for you the first time.

• 39:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  But when you build a consistency that makes them feel like they're not gonna move, they're gonna go, wait, how the fuck am I supposed to have my turn?

• 39:24Speaker 00

  If he's there, I can't get the spot.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Right. So when your new project comes out, they go, yeah, it's cool, but it's not like the first joint.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  First joint, everybody accepted you were great. Then later, they go, oh, that was cool, but it's not like the first one, and you go, boy, shit just sold a million four the first week.

• 39:43Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Like, you know, the massacre, my second album sold ten million records also.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  Fuck.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  So when they go, oh, no, that's not as good as that one, I'm like, yeah, aight, bitch, the chart don't know what you just said. My fucking record's the number one when they, they came out.

• 39:57Speaker 00

  So you don't even, you don't even mention it? You just keep on pushing?

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, because they, they are trying to take away something that already gave me what I'm gonna get from it. You can't change it, you can't change, versus can't change that. Those, those things, the winner is supposed to lose there.

• 40:17Speaker 00

  Because you have everything to lose.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Cause I already fucking won. You go, they gonna root for the underdog. I was the underdog coming.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Now I won. So they look, they look around, you put him up against, anybody you put him up against, they gonna root for the other guy because they should. Root for the other guy because you are clearly the winner.

• 40:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:36Mark Gagnon?

  Right.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  So they could point to anything that's a strong point on this person, they go, oh, there's that.

• 40:41Speaker 00

  It's rocking.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  He said, Ja Rule, shit is pussy, he's singing in the rain, yeah, the nigga was doing duets.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  I don't do duets.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  I put a little melody on the hook, but that's so internationally, bitch, when we travel internationally, you see that they respond to my music. Some of these people, English is not their first language.

• 41:02Speaker 00

  So you need them to be able to hum something.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  What the fuck you think they following?

• 41:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:06Mark Gagnon?

  But they know in the club.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Yes, they know the melodies on these records, and you go, oh, okay, so what do you, what do you hear? Like, it's radio tone, bro. The rhythm of the rap, the music. I'm like, yo, I.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  We didn't know what the fuck we were saying in Gasolina.

• 41:20Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 41:21Speaker 00

  Remember Gasolina?

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Daddy Yankee. Like, you go, what? What the fuck?

• 41:25Speaker 00

  Gasolina.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Play that shit.

• 41:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly, yeah.

• 41:27Speaker 02

  I like that shit like all the hits. You can feel this is a hit record.

• 41:30Speaker 00

  Wait a minute, so when you're, when you're first starting out, are you already aware of this? When you first started out, are you just like, I just wanna get a hit? Are you plotting the next ten years of your career?

• 41:39Speaker 02

  In the first, in the very beginning.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  Give me how to rob.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  Nah, you just wanna hit. That, that was desperation. Like, when I made that record, it was Columbia was, I was approaching the release date. Columbia Records was keeping the release date.

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  And I had to do something.

• 41:57Speaker 00

  To, to push their hand?

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Well, to, to do something to create a notoriety.

• 42:05Speaker 00

  A buzz and excitement.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Within the culture that, that made them recognize. See, you're supposed to get your head tore off for that, like that. Everybody within that culture, look, they hadn't said each other's names.

• 42:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  Since Tupac and Biggie.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Oh, so that everybody was a little...

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Everybody was 20G bet someone in the threats, I'm sending them. Lex three TV sets, the minimum. That's Nas talking about Jay-Z. I just say fuck you if I don't like what you're saying right now. He went through the trouble of building this intricate piece of lines to describe what you had in your first, in your video.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  And the subliminals were, were intense. Like, everybody was doing shit that, but they wasn't saying each other's names.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  So you went direct and all of us, I remember even as a kid, were like, yo, what the fuck is happening?

• 42:53Speaker 02

  Yo, he's crazy. Like, and he go, yo, yeah, well, crazy is, you see what I'm subjected to in my neighborhood? When I'm shot up, that's my neighborhood's activities.

• 43:04Speaker 00

  So you're not worried about rapping on a song?

• 43:05Speaker 02

  No, it did get worse. That's just home.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, rappers are safe.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  Wait, I want beef with all of you motherfuckers.

• 43:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  I, you know, I've had beef with three guys, then collectively, they have four life synthesis.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Those are the people I had beef with, you know what I'm saying? Like, Frame, Jimmy H. Smith, Your Fucking World, shit like that.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  Those, those people were on the list of people you don't wanna have problems with.

• 43:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  See, but because I don't pick who comes, like, who has the issue, and when they say they want a problem, I say no problem.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  When they say what a problem, you say no problem.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  No fucking problem, man. You gonna find out that I have resources. All I do is make y'all introductions, bro.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  They're fucking tough. Okay, I'm gonna introduce you to this tough nigga I know.

• 43:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  And y'all gonna go do tough shit.

• 43:56Speaker 00

  Okay, hold on, hold on. So, all right, once you start, once the career goes crazy, now you have a label that realizes you're a cash cow, right? Is there a part of the label that goes, yo, we have to make sure that you're safe because you're literally printing money?

• 44:13Speaker 02

  No. And that, let me tell you what happened.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  What you mean, no?

• 44:16Speaker 02

  That didn't happen. What happened was...

• 44:17Speaker 00

  Didn't they shuffle?

• 44:18Speaker 02

  M, no, Eminem is 50 Cent, bro. There's no 50 Cent without him.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  And, and people don't understand my relationship with him because, at the time, they had relationships with everybody, all of the business.

• 44:35Speaker 00

  Who is they?

• 44:36Speaker 02

  This is Murder Inc., this is Irv, this is...

• 44:38Speaker 00

  Oh, the Ops.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, so they, they were doing, like, I've never told people not to play Jarrus' music. I told them, I don't fuck with him, and if you fuck with him, I don't fuck with you.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  But they were doing the corporate pressure shit, where they're basically kicking you off and that, yeah.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  So I knew if I did a deal in certain places, it would not, I would not get a fair shot.

• 44:57Speaker 00

  Did it deal with the same label or somebody owned by you? You had to go over there.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  I had to be on the West Coast. When the East Coast, West Coast, she was going, oh. Interscope is the West Coast.

• 45:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, wow.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  That's the, that was, Jimmy had Death Row.

• 45:13Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  Jimmy Iovine had Death Row that entire time that that was functioning. So when you get to Interscope, they there, and they're like, we don't care about what they do over there. Like, this is a...

• 45:27Speaker 00

  It doesn't affect our business.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  It's a world apart, like, and it gave me the, the fair shot that I needed, like, just that. From there, I don't need no help. From there, I'm gonna run with this shit so crazy, you gonna be like, there's a point where, like, Paul talks about it, Paul Rosenberg, where you go, he's fucking more popular than them.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  And I'm going, Em's the guy, is you stupid?

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Because the, the way I was raised, bro, I never, we've never had an issue because I've never tried to outshine the master. And what I mean by that is he is why I got the opportunity, see.

• 46:04Speaker 00

  Forty-eight laws of power.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  When I'm selling 13 million records,

• 46:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  he sold 24 million records on the Marsha Matters album.

• 46:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  Look, they'll look and say, oh, why he selling more? He's white.

• 46:13Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  He's fucking white. Yes, white.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  White. How long you gonna do that? How long you gonna do that when we listening to the fucking music and it's more advanced?

• 46:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  Was he giving you advice artistically at that point?

• 46:26Speaker 02

  He was looking at me like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? It's it. Yeah. Like, he didn't, he didn't...

• 46:32Speaker 00

  Even to this day, he talks, there's a great version, there's a great interview where he's, he literally raps a verse of yours. Do you know what I'm talking about?

• 46:40Speaker 02

  All of them.

• 46:40Speaker 00

  And he's like, it's the craziest thing I've ever...

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Everything we did together, like, he picks these, because, look, we go, like, I listen, there's not an Eminem record out that I didn't hear. That I didn't sit and listen to.

• 46:50Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 46:51Speaker 02

  I listened to all of his shit. So when he gets angry, it gets fast. And everything starts coming out, shit like that, and it, and the music, but I listened to every single thing

• 47:00Speaker 00

  Oh, shit.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  that he's done. And if you, if you said, he'll send me, I don't care, but he'll send it to me. Early. So I already know some of the shit that, that they trying to catch up with, to learn it.

• 47:15Speaker 00

  Right.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  I already heard it. You see what I'm saying? So it's like, it kinda, we had a relationship that kinda kept us ahead of the curve with a lot of shit, and it's because creatively, we was, I was doing things that, look, I wasn't even gonna say anything about Ja with him. When I first got there, I didn't want them to feel like they brought a problem.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  You see what I'm saying? So I just sat, he made a mistake and said something about Haley.

• 47:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was crazy.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Ja said something about Haley because he felt like he had a relationship with Em because they got high a couple times, and then he thought the intimate situation made them blood brothers.

• 47:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? But he fucking, and he just went off and said some shit about Haley. And Em was bothered by it, and it was like Friday. It was a Friday that we heard it. And, and it was in Detroit, in the studio.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  So you're together.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he left, he left, we didn't go home.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  I recorded Automatic Gunfire. That's the first tape where I was addressing

• 48:20Speaker 02

  this, this situation like that. I recorded that whole CD while, Saturday and Sunday.

• 48:28Speaker 00

  And Em is, Em is, he goes home to write his shit, or?

• 48:32Speaker 02

  He went home to chill for the weekend, like, the rest, Saturday, Sunday is cool. We, you could've went out and

• 48:39Speaker 02

  the hotel, the hotel, a little casino in it, shit like that, other stuff.

• 48:43Speaker 00

  You weren't partying, you were, you were...

• 48:44Speaker 02

  What? Like, we, it was me, Banks, Haley there, everybody there. I'm like, no, we not leaving, bro. They left, they gone, it's ours.

• 48:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. And you guys recorded the whole week?

• 48:53Speaker 02

  The whole Automatic Gunfire. When he came back, he was like, yo, I said, yo, you gotta hear this. I go, look, so let's, boom. And he go, after he got past, like, the third track? The, I smell pussy and all that. He was like, when did you do this?

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Yo, this shit, he was like, this guy's crazy. Like, yo, he said, wait a minute, wait a minute. I gotta do my shit. Like, he said, I gotta do mine.

• 49:16Speaker 00

  Oh, so you inspired him to go...

• 49:18Speaker 02

  He's saying, I gotta, he didn't, hadn't

• 49:22Speaker 02

  touched on how he was gonna respond to what Ja had said, because he left to chill for two days and then came back.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  So Saturday, Sunday, we got back, that Monday, he was like, yo, nah, you gotta hear this, bro, because this is, like, he like,

• 49:36Speaker 02

  bro, he noticed, like, I had just the same clothes you had when you left. Like, we never left the studio. We stayed in that studio. That's like, when Tupac made it to the West Coast?

• 49:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  I understand, this is why we had more Tupac music than Biggie music.

• 49:51Speaker 00

  Why?

• 49:52Speaker 02

  When he passed, because he was going back to jail.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  So he's like, I gotta record?

• 49:58Speaker 02

  He's out on appeal on, so he's like, but he's working like an animal, bro.

• 50:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  And then he, he done so much. Dre was still on his victory lap from The Chronic.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  So the first record he did when he got out there was California Love.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  California Love, Fresh on Bell, Jail, California Dreaming. So that shit was hard, and then he, he did a, a double CD. It was All Eyes on Me. Then he broke Street Date with Margaravelli. It was only a five album deal. He had Concrete Rose or something else sitting there. He had to do the key art and put skits together to it, but Dre didn't produce none of those records. So Shug was telling Jimmy, I don't know, something might have to happen to Dre.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  What?

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Something might have to happen to Dre because he gotta figure out how he can give Tupac...

• 50:57Speaker 00

  Hits?

• 50:58Speaker 02

  No, a hit piece of Death Row.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  To keep him, he built The Outlaws at the same time. This is all him having something, if he goes back to jail, The Outlaws can still rock. Because he got them hot, you know what I'm saying? And then, so he building all of this up. He got two other albums sitting there that, the tracks is there. They mixing shit and figuring out skits and to, to make the albums complete, shit like that, but it, it just, he did them fast, bro.

• 51:28Speaker 00

  But, okay, so what's happening for you at this time? Are you tracking all this? This, are you seeing what they're doing strategically?

• 51:34Speaker 02

  No, I watched everybody's, like, what everybody was doing, bro, like, it's not. Cause there's no plan B, this shit gotta work for me, I'm saying, nah, it gotta work.

• 51:43Speaker 00

  Well, I, I remember when we were in Australia, you were saying something interesting to me about like, you're like, I could turn on the tour aspect whenever I want.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd go and, uh.

• 51:53Speaker 00

  And like, it was a very interesting thing, I spoke to somebody else about this, and they're like, if you have a ten year run in, let's say, music.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, it's like Jay just, just displayed it.

• 52:02Speaker 00

  Exactly. You can go tour whenever you want.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  That's, what do you think creates the Yankee Stadium shows?

• 52:09Speaker 00

  Tell me.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  He spent about eight months on alleged rap.

• 52:14Speaker 00

  Jesus.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  Gotta figure out how to fix that shit.

• 52:19Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, man.

• 52:20Speaker 00

  Chill the fuck out. We were doing so well, we were doing so well, man.

• 52:24Mark Gagnon?

  She dropped, she dropped it.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  There was an alleged, I said he spent six months on alleged rap. Did you hear that statement?

• 52:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 52:32Speaker 00

  What was incorrect about that?

• 52:33Speaker 02

  It's nothing incorrect about it, but.

• 52:35Speaker 00

  Three fighter out of over sixteen.

• 52:39Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think that had anything to do with.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Just the fucking do.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  Look at this, bro. You go, whose, whose, whose job is it to make sure he can stay in a good enough position publicly? For them to make the money back that they already gave him?

• 52:58Mark Gagnon?

  Who? I don't, I don't know the answer to this.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  How loud nation?

• 53:02Mark Gagnon?

  Okay. So you think those concerts were already planned?

• 53:07Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 53:08Mark Gagnon?

  So, wait, wait, so the, so this allegation.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  No, no, they've done this before, this is not new, bro, he did Yankee Stadium in Detroit as a stadium, him and Eminem.

• 53:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  Eminem's the biggest fucking rap artist in the world. They pair you with Eminem, two people, I don't give a fuck who it is, nigga, you can go find a guy that had.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  Go get that boy, did I got broads in the lot.

• 53:36Speaker 00

  Designer?

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, that nigga.

• 53:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  Get him with that one record, and then pair him with Eminem, and that shit'll sell out.

• 53:42Speaker 00

  You're saying, oh, you're saying Eminem's gonna sell out no matter what?

• 53:44Speaker 02

  It's gonna fucking sell out, and he's doing two shows, just New York and Detroit? Come on.

• 53:50Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  What the fuck, bro, and then there's like, in between them, there's a song.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  Great song, though.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  Really, Renegade.

• 53:57Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 53:59Speaker 02

  I said, even when they did this shit, I was at home, I said, look at this nigga, she bitch ass nigga. She was hot.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  That shit is fire.

• 54:12Speaker 00

  Was that ever weird, like, cause it seems like Eminem is, you know, your biggest supporter? Like, does he talk to you?

• 54:19Speaker 02

  That's not, look, see, look, you don't have to, you don't ever have to explain yourself to me, right?

• 54:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  I'll go, yo, that relationship is not gonna change, you can't mean what he meant to my career, nobody else can.

• 54:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  At that point, what he done, he's done it already.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  So when he, if he go, you wanna rap at the show, then go, bro, what the fuck, like? If you said it to me in advance, I would say go.

• 54:42Mark Gagnon?

  So if Eminem does a song with Ja Rule right now?

• 54:44Speaker 02

  He won't do a song.

• 54:45Mark Gagnon?

  If he did, would you feel a way?

• 54:47Speaker 02

  No, he won't do that, bro.

• 54:48Mark Gagnon?

  So you wouldn't feel it?

• 54:49Speaker 00

  But he's got his own beef with Ja.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  No, he don't, you think I got a beef with Jay-Z, they would make him not do something? He won't do something with somebody that is a direct op, I mean, oh, they got that, and he, like, he's not gonna fuck with you.

• 55:01Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, so you're admitting Jay's not your op, you just.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  Oh, you're.

• 55:06Mark Gagnon?

  I just. No.

• 55:09Mark Gagnon?

  He is though, he actually is though.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, he is.

• 55:10Mark Gagnon?

  I'm a, I'm a big Jay-Z fan, actually, I'm a big New York fan, cause I'm a big fan of yours, and I'm a big fan of his. I just don't like that you always pitting niggas against each other.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  Just say this, look, at what point did Jay-Z's music dominate?

• 55:23Mark Gagnon?

  Um, I would say since he came out until like, probably early two thousands.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  Now, what I'll say to you is, when did he dominate when Biggie and Tupac was alive?

• 55:32Speaker 02

  At what point?

• 55:33Speaker 00

  Nah.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  It was not dominating. Even that album, that you just, that you just said that.

• 55:39Mark Gagnon?

  I would say Hard Knocks, Hard Knocks.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  What was on, the concert was honoring Reasonable Doubt.

• 55:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  That album charted at number twenty-three.

• 55:46Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  So when was he dominating and his strong focus?

• 55:49Mark Gagnon?

  I hear you, uh, volume two, volume two.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  This is what I'm saying to you, it was, he didn't have those moments like that.

• 55:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  You see what I'm saying, like, where he was clearly the guy, his opportunity to be the guy.

• 55:59Mark Gagnon?

  He ain't have a.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  He lost it, it was, him and Nas.

• 56:02Mark Gagnon?

  But he didn't have a big cosign when he was coming out. Lost it. Nah, I lost one, the fuck are we talking about?

• 56:10Speaker 02

  So now, after you get past that, you look, and you go, okay, yeah. I sent his ass to be.

• 56:16Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, you lost, you lost the battle.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  I sent his ass to be the president of Def Jam.

• 56:19Mark Gagnon?

  You lost.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  My momentum, sent his funky ass to go over there.

• 56:23Speaker 00

  I gotta get back in the corporate mindset.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  I can't do this right now.

• 56:28Mark Gagnon?

  You lost the Kanye. You lost the Kanye.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I lost the Def Jam.

• 56:33Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  He'll say, he beat me. He'll say he beat me in his fucking book.

• 56:38Mark Gagnon?

  He probably would, yeah.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  He mentioned that that's one of the times that he beat me, because he.

• 56:43Mark Gagnon?

  So that's where it starts.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  He pushed the button, at Def Jam, while he's the president, and it was the right move.

• 56:50Speaker 00

  What's the button, what is that?

• 56:51Speaker 02

  What I'm saying, they did every fucking thing.

• 56:52Speaker 00

  Oh, they unloaded the bank, they gotta take out.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  And when they did everything you could do, to get that Kanye record into a good space, then it worked, it worked. Everything that, and his records didn't bother to do because of my successful sales history.

• 57:07Speaker 02

  We sold shit anyway, naturally sold those records, so there was no need to go put gas on nothing.

• 57:12Mark Gagnon?

  Gotcha.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  They just did everything that they had to do to do it. This, this shit is, he is significant because he has maneuvered into a position that he wants to be in. In life, where people look at him like he's the fucking best rap artist in the world. Now, when you rap, art in general is, is selective, people gotta look at it and appreciate it to feel that way.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  But these people are conditioned, they, you got, must feel that way based on trophies.

• 57:40Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I just like the music, I think his, his ability to rap is probably the best.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  When he wasn't, when he wasn't winning in front of, cause Ja Rule was selling more records than Jay-Z.

• 57:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but I don't care about records.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  DMX was selling more records than Jay-Z. The points that they came out and they was moving those units and at that influence and culture, he was there, he hung on to CEO.

• 57:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  There's a, CEO, I'm CEO, your niggas is just rappers, I'm CEO. He has something to hang on to with that, but you couldn't fucking do those numbers, you just wasn't as marketable as those artists were at the time.

• 58:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's a, there's a thing.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  They've been running the game, and he skipped leg day, skipped leg day the whole time.

• 58:19Speaker 00

  In the Rick Rubin doc, there's a thing, and I gotta credit Damian Lem, hilarious comedian, he said this way back in the day, he said this to me and Charlotte, I think. And he was like, uh, there was a Jay lyric, like, who's the best, uh, you know, Biggie, uh, who's he said, Biggie, Jay, or Nas, something like that, like? And what Damian said back in the day is like, he wasn't even in that discussion, he inserted himself in the discussion. And he acknowledged it in the, the Rick Rubin, so maybe there's a lot of credit to Jay for maneuvering.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  No, he's the best, he's the best, after looking, you saying.

• 58:52Speaker 00

  Despite the music not being as successful as the maneuver.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  And music culture, Jay-Z is significant, a phenomenal artist, but even better person at maneuvering himself into that position. Without the music actually doing it.

• 59:07Mark Gagnon?

  Right.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  So then what is it like, cause here's something that, with you, that I'm always fascinated by, is like,

• 59:16Speaker 00

  you go into TV film.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:20Speaker 00

  Alright, so you do Takeover Music, done, easy, you go into TV film, which people might not know, but it could be more diabolical than a fucking.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  It's way harder.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  It's fucking.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  It's way harder.

• 59:32Speaker 00

  Really?

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Why you think you only see Tyler Perry?

• 59:36Speaker 00

  Why?

• 59:37Speaker 02

  It's very hard, bro, it's fucking very hard to get into that position. And you look, Tyler is extremely significant, bro.

• 59:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 59:47Speaker 00

  And he had to bring everything in-house.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Yep, he did it, but he did it, and he kept doing it.

• 59:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying, so you can't take that away from him, like, his content. He got a targeted demographic, of course, he came through the chilling circuit with the plays.

• 1:00:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  So he had that.

• 1:00:05Speaker 00

  He built up.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  A lot of shit got a church aura to him, you know, like, I, I always, yo, how does it feel to have the biggest character you play be like a woman? Like Madea, nigga. Like, I say it to him, cause it's not offensive, anything that I'm saying about Tyler is not offensive, cause I asked him this question, I'll say this to him.

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  And he is not.

• 1:00:28Speaker 02

  Like I get cool, like I'll hang out with this motherfucker, man. Like the way the communication is, is he's cool, bro. It's not like, like that's why I saw, so, so when you look at the body of work after, when you understand that they're not screaming for diversity. Are you crazy? They don't care to see you niggas on the TV, bro.

• 1:00:51Mark Gagnon?

  That's real.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  I said, you know, I'm saying if I put, look, the original Hollywood is white Hollywood. So the Hollywood that successfully sells the best is white Hollywood.

• 1:01:01Mark Gagnon?

  Right.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  If you make diversity, I'm up against not so many fabulously financed projects.

• 1:01:12Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Right, so when I come in, I'm able to, to create shit that is beyond up to standard. Because of the landscape or the business, I'm coming at a time that you got streamers and apps and all of these different things.

• 1:01:26Mark Gagnon?

  Everybody's spending.

• 1:01:28Speaker 00

  And they, and when you gotta compete, you gotta spend.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  And then you carve, they're carving out what makes them unique and special. And then what brings the core audience over to different places. Like for stars, they, they would lean on Outlander.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Bro, this is the thing.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Outlander, Outlander, Outlander, Outlander, Outlander. And it's look, I'm going, what the fuck, Power? Why you, they're not saying Power, they're saying Outlander.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  When you look at the subscribership and the people that are drawing there, it's for me saying.

• 1:01:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  So this is, this is the thing I keep telling people, it's like, and again, you correct me if I'm wrong here, but what I thought you did when it came to TV film is you demonstrated, and now this happens all the time, by the way. But you demonstrated that the streamer doesn't have an audience, the show has an audience.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Right, my content matches my personality slightly.

• 1:02:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  Like you can see, you go, I can see him making that, why he would make that.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Creatively, and it's, it's like I got a taste of what I like, like, and Tyler's shit is carved out like that too. And then he'll, he'll start to teeter over, you'll start to see him make things. Cause he said, he was a little jealous when, when it hit like that. But Power, they didn't receive it right away. To the point that I had to display that the people were there because of me.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  What you mean?

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Like.

• 1:02:42Speaker 00

  They thought they were pop?

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  Before the Power Universe took place.

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  And they, and we was going off there and I say, yo, yo, I know what time it is.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  You know, I, I'll let you know when it's coming back.

• 1:02:57Speaker 00

  Oh, you pulled it.

• 1:02:58Mark Gagnon?

  He pulled it, yeah.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  You pulled it and then they realized.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  Forty percent of the subscribership.

• 1:03:02Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 1:03:02Speaker 00

  And you did that so they understood what you brought.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  They were so mad, I came in the office, he goes, it's Chris Olberg and Carmen Luck and this shit. Carmen comes in here, what kind of partner does this? Right?

• 1:03:13Speaker 00

  And then you go, oh, what partner?

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  And I'm like, listen, you guys have been doing this a lot longer than me, man. I said, if you're not understanding that you have issues, you're having a programming issue. And it's not what I said.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Then I'm not understanding what you're looking at. And Chris is looking at me and he goes, when we get ready to leave, he says, that kid's fucking way smarter than we think he is. We gotta do something like with, to expand it.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  And then I get the call back, this is when they're willing to do the Power.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  Okay, you come out as 50, you put out G-Unit, you force out G-Unit second before you drop the second out. This is all strategic, right?

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  Is that the same fucking gameplay you do with Power and then in the universe?

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  When you do that, that scenario I just explained to you was what I did to make them look at it like, we need more of this. Like we need more to keep the people there because it was taking six months, more than that, eight months for, for the show to come back.

• 1:04:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and I'm like, yo, so it, it goes off, this is, they only have the app for that. People make choices now, they don't, they don't click every fucking app and pay.

• 1:04:24Mark Gagnon?

  I was one of those people.

• 1:04:25Speaker 00

  So you're gonna pay for stars?

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Pay every month.

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  You take it out. But if you got the universe running the whole year, now I'm paying for.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  Yep, right.

• 1:04:31Mark Gagnon?

  There's way more money for them.

• 1:04:32Speaker 00

  And in that, what they're probably trying to do is match certain programming without you. And you're like, hold on, we don't do that without me.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  They're maximizing, they were spending the money on the other programming side.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  And it's like, we're not here for Outlander.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, like they had.

• 1:04:45Speaker 00

  They had a pirate show.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Two different tracks.

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  The Outlander track and everything that was there was what was supposed to make the, the network successful, successful. You know what I'm saying? Like, cause it was definitely, it, it targets a white audience, but even, look, every other culture is conditioned to watch white entertainment. This is why we love Robert De Niro and Al Pacino and, because they were your gangster representation.

• 1:05:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  In the early stages.

• 1:05:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  That, that was done well.

• 1:05:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  That actually had budgets involved to make the scenes go, everything's tight.

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Those movies were made and the iconic movies, like you, I don't care what culture you, like what nationality you have. You watched that and those, those were the favorite movies.

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're all watching Godfather, we're all watching fucking Tony Montana.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  They would look at that shit and say, okay, Cuban refugee, me, here, insert.

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  That, that person right there, like, you know what I mean? It didn't matter that they wasn't the same, they could see themselves getting to the top of the game like that.

• 1:05:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And you would even see the mirror, the clothing, who wear the suits like that?

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  So you think when, when the industry's talking about diversity, you actually don't think that?

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  They don't care about diversity, trust me. It's not like, look, look at this, I've been number one in African American and Latino households for, and this shit is crazy, like for 13 years.

• 1:06:15Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Power, just the original Power came out, that's been number one African American, Latino households in the universe, stayed there. So when, that's a fact, when you look at that and there was no Emmy nomination to, to lose.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  It never even made it to, to that platform for you. I have a.

• 1:06:37Speaker 00

  That's the Taylor Sheridan thing, like, you know, Taylor created his worlds and he never gets a fucking Emmy nomination, nothing.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Don't need one.

• 1:06:44Speaker 00

  See, well, that's the thing, he don't need one, but some, I don't know what he wants, but it's another example of like, he created a world in his likeness. He kind of did a 50 Cent thing.

• 1:06:52Speaker 02

  He's getting paid like a motherfucker, bro.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  He's getting a B, he's getting a B.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  Yes, he's gonna get like, believe me, bro.

• 1:06:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Like you think, why you think I ain't pressed for you to say, I think he's the greatest rapper? He gave, bro, I got a boatload of money. Not worried about that shit, like you are, like it is, I'll make you the best theme song you've heard in your life. Want a jingle?

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  Look, check this out, when you think about like, like setups where you get a chance to continue to be 50 Cent, I haven't compromised myself because I don't have to.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  The I am me, they, you know, like they gotta figure out how to have someone like me on their team. To have that type of thing, you know what Fox was saying when they made Empire? This is our power.

• 1:07:39Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Isn't it, yes, what do you think they say when Snowfall is on the network?

• 1:07:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:07:44Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  This is our power, like this is our version of.

• 1:07:48Speaker 00

  They were doing the Hollywood thing where it's like.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Because we hit the bullseye.

• 1:07:51Speaker 00

  Exactly, you want, it's a race to be second.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then when you go, I've been hitting the bullseye, but they don't have the marketing money. So I gotta have beef with them, you fuck Empire, it's still my tagline, right? Cause Empires are built on power. That was just good marketing when you're trying to get the same audience to take a look at it. And then they had all the funds to continue the marketing, to get that audience to gravitate, to, you know, to cookie over what was going on over there. And, and I love to ride it.

• 1:08:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Love the work and shit.

• 1:08:21Mark Gagnon?

  One of the biggest things I respect about you is how you've been able to step in any room and stay yourself. Like you go to Hollywood and you stay yourself, you don't get compromised.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  See, right, my audience, they are running the fucking world.

• 1:08:38Mark Gagnon?

  Explain.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  The people who were in college in 2003, 2005, when I'm clearly dominating music culture.

• 1:08:48Speaker 00

  These are the people who are the C A, CEOs now, these are the people who run the businesses now.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  Running the fucking world.

• 1:08:53Speaker 00

  Wow, so the people in charge are the people that have.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Everybody that I go talk to to make the deal?

• 1:08:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  Completely understands why.

• 1:09:01Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  Wow, so I walk in meaning more than the, the average producer, the person that you talk to.

• 1:09:08Mark Gagnon?

  And what happens if it's the older generation who doesn't really understand who you are?

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  By their track record, I have 42 shows across 15 networks. I'm the only person that you'll be talking to that does, that has that.

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  At the present moment, active shows, 11 going towards air, the, the others are in different stages of development, production and stuff like that. But it is easier to tell me yes.

• 1:09:32Speaker 00

  And then, once you get a certain amount of momentum.

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  That builds like you look, you think I need variety or deadline or Hollywood Reporter to write a story on me? The fuck out of here. I reach a hundred and ten million people through my phone. So what I need them for? That says a signal to business insiders that if you want this project to be a success and you want it to work, right? You need to get that over there.

• 1:09:55Speaker 00

  Have they ever tried to ask you to do a show that's completely outside of who you are the basis?

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've been, you know, always wanted to be outside of, but they think, look, don't use music and say this is what he's going to produce in television. Right? Because you would have said, like, there are people, specifically the Diddy doc. When I talked to other people who were in development. On docs, because I was like, yo, they might have a take on it and we might be able to get with it and just, just do it like that. Because I had everything else in place, right? And they were like, so, so why, why do you want to do? And I'm like, what? The fuck is wrong with you? I'm the only person in hip hop culture, in culture, that's producing.

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• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  We got the NBA, we have real sports back. Football's back. The NBA is coming back. This is literally, it's fall. You get your nice outfits off in New York City. This is the best time of year. Okay?

• 1:13:59Speaker 00

  And it is very interesting to me that the New York Knicks somehow, after dominating in the playoffs, like an utterly dominant performance, are not the favorites to repeat. This to me is disrespectful and shocking, but we like it.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, we do like it.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  We want to be questioned.

• 1:14:19Speaker 03

  I mean, Kalski has OKC and the Spurs tied at twenty-two percent.

• 1:14:24Speaker 00

  And then, I mean, this is, it's, but here's the thing. It's like, everybody comes to New York because they want to go up against the odds. You don't leave wherever you're from and move to the most competitive city in the world because you're worried about being an underdog.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, LeBron did it. He left Akron, Ohio to come to New York.

• 1:14:42Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:14:43Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:14:43Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  He's living here, flying around in a helicopter.

• 1:14:46Speaker 00

  A hundred percent, because he needs to know what it feels like to be an underdog. If he lived in Philly, with, whether they, they're number three. They're above the Knicks right now.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, Sixers are at thirteen percent and the Knicks are at a measly, single-digit nine percent.

• 1:14:59Speaker 00

  But we like that. We like that. We like being overlooked. That's inspirational.

• 1:15:09Speaker 00

  Fuck y'all then. Fuck y'all that not believing in us. Okay?

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:15:14Speaker 00

  Knicks in five.

• 1:15:16Speaker 03

  I mean, you're gonna see Philly versus the Knicks opening, opening day.

• 1:15:20Speaker 00

  Damn right. When is that? The twenty-something?

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  Hopefully it goes better than that preseason game.

• 1:15:26Speaker 00

  We're not worried about.

• 1:15:32Speaker 00

  We're not gonna do all that, Al. Come on. We, listen, what, we're gonna do what we always do. We might in the beginning of the season, let other teams think they got a shot. It really might be that.

• 1:15:42Speaker 03

  Sandbagging.

• 1:15:43Speaker 00

  I'm not gonna say we're gonna sandbag, but we already understand we can come back from any league. When you go down twenty-nine in the finals.

• 1:15:51Speaker 00

  Sorry, thirty-nine. When you go back thirty-nine in the finals and then you come back, is there anything else you can't do at that point?

• 1:15:58Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Come on, we got this.

• 1:15:59Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 1:16:00Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  And there's lots more Knicks gear. It's kind of nice. Everyone's got Knicks shit. I've seen more Knicks apparel in the last, like, week than I have in the six years I've been there.

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

  You know what? I really want to say, I like us being underdogs because it allows other people not from New York to live vicariously through us. The one thing about this Knicks championship win is usually when the, the New York team is in the finals, the entire world roots against us. Like, I remember going through that as a Yankee fan. No one gave a fuck. They hated the Yankees. But the Knicks have been so sorry for so long, people started rooting for us. So it's really the entire world and the Knicks versus whoever else is on that board.

• 1:16:47Speaker 00

  So I'm gonna go with the entire world.

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:16:49Speaker 00

  All right, let's get back to the show.

• 1:16:51Speaker 03

  It's interesting. I think a lot of people from the outside have an assumption to like, oh, the streets and gang life is like ruthless and cunning. But Hollywood is all, you know, buttoned up and everyone's, you know, above board. Is Hollywood just as much of a gang as street life?

• 1:17:03Speaker 02

  It's worse.

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  Have people tried to intimidate?

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  Only because, no, not me. How the fuck do you do that?

• 1:17:10Speaker 03

  I mean, so why would it be worse?

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  When they rob you, they have that nice suit I just had on. When they rob you, it's in the language. It's not, they don't give you the courtesy of pointing a gun at you.

• 1:17:26Speaker 00

  They hide behind the law.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  So you can feel it.

• 1:17:28Speaker 00

  You just find out after.

• 1:17:31Speaker 03

  People try to get over on you in that same.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  They feel fear.

• 1:17:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, wow.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  When we're taking your shit.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  Right? They, you just, you miss that whole part of it and they just walk off with your shit.

• 1:17:43Speaker 00

  Anytime I see you post a white guy on Instagram, I'm like, oh, some exec got cute. Some old white dude on your Instagram.

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  When they do shit, they make me uncomfortable. I respond to it sometimes. And when that happens, I go, yo, look, this guy, oh, you talking about, that's a guy from Shreveport.

• 1:18:00Speaker 00

  It was something. I just saw you.

• 1:18:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was like, oh, this guy's in for a world of pain.

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  But it's like everything else. They, when you use you for hits. Because you're getting that much coverage in that area. That, he just put little things out, you know, journalists though.

• 1:18:17Speaker 00

  But they use the journalists as weapons.

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, and when they're doing that, I'm going, yo, why you keep, like, it's like, the issue was, should I be able to put brands on the gates? Of the property I own.

• 1:18:29Speaker 00

  It's like, it's your fucking property.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  What the fuck do you mean?

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  Like, when I gotta make, cover it up because it's gonna be a work and construction site. I put things that matter to me, that's gonna come to Shreveport when, as I come, those things, right? So it was, uh, it's usually about nothing when, when, when they do that. And that's why it's been handled in a playful way, because later I tell them, yo, you might as well be friends, bro. Because you're being my enemy, it's not gonna matter. I got too many enemies already. You don't shit on the list of people that, you know, you're not a threat at all to me. And, you know, we might as well just have dinner and talk about how you feel, the way you feel.

• 1:19:12Speaker 00

  How much, how often does that happen where like, you will get somebody to speak straight to you? And is there anybody that you, that you felt like, oh, I actually admire this guy's honesty?

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you, if you're saying something and it's how you feel about it, I'm like, okay, I see.

• 1:19:29Speaker 00

  I mean privately, like, they'll be like, hey, can we talk this out?

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  No, not, not a lot. That. Because you know what happens if, if they, I would absolutely understand that. You know, like, there's times I just commented or just did things.

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  And it's just me being me. Like, I look at shit like, like, uh, Beckham, Odell.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Like, I saw, like, wild pictures, like, is it just choice?

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  And I'm like, yo, who, you wild man, right? I posted, I'm like, yo, he did it. And he thought, like, I had a beef with him. Like, I was, like, a beef with him. And I seen him and he was like, yo, you posted like, like, we ain't had a beef or nothing like that. And I was like, what? So what the fuck is you talking about, bro? Said beef, I'm like, nah, man, you talking about when I posted the picture. I said, nigga, you wore that shit.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  You wore that shit. I looked at the shit you had on. I said, what the fuck is going on here, right? And I'm like, yo, he look, he giving me a laugh at me when I'm saying it because he's saying he's.

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  I get it. You see what I'm saying? Like, it's not like, but leave hell no.

• 1:20:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Over your choice to wear what you wanna wear?

• 1:20:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's jokes.

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  No, I'm just saying that there was sniffing shit going on. You doing some different shit right now? I'm like, what's that?

• 1:20:50Mark Gagnon?

  Why is Shreveport giving you such a hard time if you're gonna bring so many jobs and like, just traffic to the area?

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  When you're doing something that you're looking to revitalize the area, right? I always look to do the biggest thing.

• 1:21:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  Possible, like a take on the biggest challenge, right? And I, you think I done everything I done in my career to be a restaurateur?

• 1:21:10Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  It's not on my list of shit to do.

• 1:21:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:13Speaker 02

  How, how mu- look, when I come back, are you gonna think I'm crater? Because I have a successful restaurant now? They're gonna go, no fucking way. Is that what you was doing? Why you wasn't doing something productive?

• 1:21:24Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  Something else, right? Like you're doing, but that's not an easy business. These are not easy businesses to make work.

• 1:21:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  But I would take on those challenges because it's right there. And to bring people there and to get them active faster is I know I will put the money in to keep, to start it functioning.

• 1:21:38Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  Right? And they, they play games in negotiations. Like, there's a thing where, you know, the mayor there, he said to me, right? When I did Human Harmony, he said, you know, there's some people that are not-

• 1:21:51Speaker 00

  I was there, I was there.

• 1:21:53Speaker 02

  That's not happy here.

• 1:21:56Speaker 00

  Why?

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  And I'm like, this is, you in Louisiana.

• 1:22:01Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:22:02Speaker 02

  There's some people not happy your black ass is doing anything.

• 1:22:05Speaker 00

  Hmm, okay.

• 1:22:06Speaker 02

  You understand?

• 1:22:07Speaker 00

  Let alone throwing the biggest party for that weekend. You had all the biggest fucking celebs coming down there.

• 1:22:13Speaker 02

  It turns into thirty-five thousand people and then all of the star power. The relationships bring that energy.

• 1:22:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  And you going, this is shit, a show you couldn't make. It is an unmakeable show for, it's un- you can't repeat it.

• 1:22:26Speaker 00

  I mean, just a comedy show is insane.

• 1:22:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:22:29Speaker 00

  And all just off of you sending a text out.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  Look at the lineup, what would it cost?

• 1:22:33Speaker 00

  No, you can't pay for it.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  You can't pay for that.

• 1:22:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. It was, it was like the roast of Tom Brady, but in Shreveport. Without Tom Brady.

• 1:22:45Speaker 02

  You got, you got-

• 1:22:46Speaker 00

  You had to take a connecting flight.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  They should have. Cat Williams.

• 1:22:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  Andrew Schulz. Matt Rife.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  Earthquake.

• 1:22:56Speaker 00

  It was great.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  Bill Bellamy.

• 1:22:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  Michael Blackson.

• 1:22:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  So many other pieces.

• 1:23:01Speaker 00

  DC Young Fly.

• 1:23:02Mark Gagnon?

  Cheego Bean.

• 1:23:03Speaker 00

  Cheego.

• 1:23:04Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, scary owner.

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  Bubba Dog.

• 1:23:06Speaker 00

  Michael Black. Gary was there.

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  Gary?

• 1:23:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Look, this is so much star power. There's so much, look, if you, you can't pay that lineup. You know what you need to do that? We need

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  a sixty-five thousand or a seventy thousand arena.

• 1:23:30Speaker 00

  Seat arena, yeah, a stadium, basically.

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  To do that, and then, and

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  a setup that allows them to feel like they can see those screens a little closer than that. Because that's was, that's the Super Bowl of, that would probably get more eyeballs if you, if we marketed it.

• 1:23:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  But we done it, we did it without surprise, opening the entire town during it at that point. So anybody that said, Live Nation was the partner on it to begin with, when we had it in the stadium.

• 1:24:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  They go, it's not a time market. I'm like, what the fuck do you mean it's not a time market? Neither is the desert for fucking Burning Man.

• 1:24:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:24:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:11Speaker 02

  You go, I'm like, what do you mean, bro? Like, you telling me I can move people here?

• 1:24:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  Like, you crazy? And you going, well, uh, so, okay, you're gonna do the lineup and do this, this is next? Yes. We'll move a, a mountain out this motherfucker. Because everybody was holding, held me down on that.

• 1:24:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  And you look at them going, what? When they saw it happen?

• 1:24:35Speaker 00

  They were like, oh shit.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:24:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  Now you're live next year, you gotta see, you gotta see the things where, where people, you go, oh, you know, maybe we do something to get, you know?

• 1:24:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, they try to play hard to get.

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  Them godfuckers changed their whole tone, like, listen.

• 1:24:51Speaker 00

  People flew in to do eight minutes.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Speaker 00

  We're not talking about like, like Cat Williams flew in.

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  But they didn't need, look, look, the eight minutes, the time didn't matter.

• 1:25:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. It's just show that you can get.

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  To

• 1:25:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  grace the stage at that point when you had the biggest things that was hitting. In between, we had live music, hit music in between. It's like, they didn't stay on stage long enough for you to hear shit you didn't wanna hear.

• 1:25:16Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:25:17Speaker 00

  That's true. Like, you come out with your hit?

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  Slap hit and move.

• 1:25:20Speaker 00

  Boom.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  Comedian, next comedian.

• 1:25:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? Like, and then go, boom, music, next comedian. They were sitting there, they was in shock, like, oh shit.

• 1:25:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:29Speaker 02

  Like, I'm glad my cousin didn't come. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like somebody didn't make it. Hell, you missed it. I told you. Like, if you was doing that, if I put the show up, again, without even mentioning who was coming, it would sell out.

• 1:25:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Now you're dealing with governmental power. Like, do you understand power on a different level now that you're at this point?

• 1:25:50Speaker 02

  Governor, Governor Landry's, right? He go down there, what happened that was significant about that event was

• 1:25:58Speaker 02

  they usually have four to five violent crimes a day in Shreveport, right?

• 1:26:02Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, I remember this. No violence. No crime all weekend.

• 1:26:06Mark Gagnon?

  The Crime Stopper.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  All weekend. Everybody just was like, yo, something exciting is happening.

• 1:26:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  And it ain't a good time to be in jail.

• 1:26:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  Right, so nobody fucked up

• 1:26:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:16Speaker 02

  for sixteen days before they had another violent crime take place.

• 1:26:20Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  Just the thought, even the afterthought of this is coming to to the town. They got high off that shit, bro. It was high off of it enough to not fuck up at all.

• 1:26:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? And then-

• 1:26:35Mark Gagnon?

  But then I would think, hey,

• 1:26:36Speaker 00

  But this the-

• 1:26:37Mark Gagnon?

  let's roll out the red carpet for him, let's-

• 1:26:39Speaker 02

  Law enforcement background, he comes from the legal side of things. He's looking and he goes,

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  you know that four or five people,

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  like, four or five violent crimes that took place has been there

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  as a staple.

• 1:26:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a baseline.

• 1:26:57Speaker 02

  That's just what

• 1:26:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  has been there.

• 1:26:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:59Speaker 02

  Like, he says, so for you to stop, shit, we gotta do that again. Because the man is, look, it's very positive intentions in my eyesight. Like, from, from my perspective, he does things and it was, that is what drove him to support the idea.

• 1:27:19Speaker 00

  All right, tell, tell me about, tell me about Street Fighter and you being just an actor.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was cool. I, I felt like I was on vacation because I was away from everybody.

• 1:27:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  Like, my phone went off too. Like, I didn't fuck with them while I was doing the training and everything. So I was able to do, you know, just get away from it. And then for me, it's like, I'm back in that, that tone, I'm a boxer.

• 1:27:42Speaker 00

  But was it, was it hard to not be producer as well?

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. That's why, when, when he, the producer, Cal, he take us out on a yacht?

• 1:27:50Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  And it was like the coolest shit.

• 1:27:52Speaker 00

  Cody did, technically.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:53Speaker 00

  Cody took us out on the yacht and then Fifty had to big up everybody, like-

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  I'm like, what the fuck, bro? Why? The guy that got with me, like, what the fuck are you doing, bro?

• 1:28:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  Why you not thinking to do that?

• 1:28:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:05Speaker 02

  I didn't do, I didn't go nowhere, you know? They know I ain't going nowhere, I'm just training, training, training, training. That's all I'm doing.

• 1:28:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Training. And then we go off on this yacht, because they called us the whole cast to come, and we have a ball.

• 1:28:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  And I'm like, yo, why the fuck this, they taking me to that shit and I'm not taking them or doing that?

• 1:28:22Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:28:22Speaker 02

  And then he went and found something that could, uh, you know, replace that. That's how we got to, I bought them out the amusement park.

• 1:28:32Mark Gagnon?

  Like an actual whole theme park?

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  The whole theme park.

• 1:28:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  And we had, the cast and crew could come. So, like, the guy's, he's grip, he's moving the lights and shit like that. The next day, he's like, yo, Fiff.

• 1:28:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:43Speaker 02

  Fuck your guy. This is the other guys, like, he's like, yo. Because everybody got a chance to bring like their girl or, or somebody from home with them and shit.

• 1:28:52Speaker 00

  Do you remember the ma- the magician?

• 1:28:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:54Speaker 00

  He fucked you up.

• 1:28:54Speaker 02

  Super fun.

• 1:28:55Speaker 00

  He fucked you up.

• 1:28:56Speaker 02

  He did some of that time, look, listen, when I- A good magician?

• 1:28:59Speaker 00

  Fifty kind of believes in magic, bro.

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  I do too.

• 1:29:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you know it's not, but then it's like, he's like-

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

  Nah, some of this shit is incredible, bro.

• 1:29:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Like, wasn't he really good, bro?

• 1:29:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:12Mark Gagnon?

  That's my favorite.

• 1:29:12Speaker 00

  No, but I look and I think,

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  You don't love a good magician.

• 1:29:15Speaker 00

  No, that is not of God, this is some evil shit.

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  He's doing evil shit right now. I don't know what you just did.

• 1:29:21Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, look, he's doing it in front of us right now.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  That's when I start looking around.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Bro, I started thinking the devil's involved.

• 1:29:53Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  Whenever you see, because you know that this.

• 1:29:56Speaker 00

  Jackson Aces, the magician.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, shout out Jackson Aces, man. Yeah, man, the physics and shit like that, physical shit, things are not possible. I love it. How did you just do some shit that is impossible? And then when you think, because when you think magic, is it black magic?

• 1:30:11Speaker 00

  Maybe, that day.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  You don't notice that they pick evil things, like crucine juice in them?

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  Then why do you think they picked the evil thing?

• 1:30:18Speaker 00

  Why is that?

• 1:30:19Speaker 02

  Because the things that you don't know, like if you're a God fearing person, things are.

• 1:30:23Speaker 00

  Already magical.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  Yes, they're already magical, it's already that way.

• 1:30:27Speaker 00

  Wow, so they have to use the darkness.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  Yes, because this is the unknown.

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  You're starting to tap into a different area and, and that's why I like, because that shit be having my fucking hair standing up on my.

• 1:30:41Mark Gagnon?

  Bro, what did you do? Tell me the truth, bro. What the fuck, slow down, let me see now, so what you do?

• 1:30:46Speaker 00

  Have you ever met him, have you ever had?

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  Look, I, I like, I like it.

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  I would like to be able to do some of it when it's advanced.

• 1:30:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the shit is like, bro, what the fuck was that? Like, how did you? Yo, come here, slow down, do that shit again, let me see what you just did.

• 1:31:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  Like, how, how, yo, show me that, tell me how to do that.

• 1:31:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, you gotta take it to like a big magic show, like a big stage magic show.

• 1:31:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, we gotta. Yeah, it shouldn't be standing there and they be right on the other side of the room at the same time.

• 1:31:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:20Speaker 02

  I'm like.

• 1:31:22Speaker 00

  Do you lowkey believe it though?

• 1:31:24Speaker 02

  I do, I look this motherfucker as the devil.

• 1:31:28Speaker 02

  When he start doing that crucine shit, like in the nails and all that, everything's black in his hair and all this extra shit, it's all, it's evil shit, the shit I don't understand.

• 1:31:36Speaker 00

  I feel the same way.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  Take that, that I don't understand what you, like, what you're doing, your faith base or what's going on there at all, you got something different going on? And then show me some shit that I thought was not possible, like there's, there's some people that believe psychics are, are evil.

• 1:31:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  But they have the gift to do different things, they can tell you all your shit. What happens is because they feel like those demons been watching you for some time now.

• 1:32:02Speaker 00

  But would you go to a psychic?

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  I have, I have.

• 1:32:05Speaker 00

  And what they say?

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  He told me shit like the, you know, like, I don't frequent that shit because it is scary.

• 1:32:12Mark Gagnon?

  A little bit, yeah, a little bit.

• 1:32:15Speaker 02

  But that's, that's like a, yeah, I've went and it's my, I, I gotta, what's that, I'm gonna scare people out of doing that.

• 1:32:24Speaker 00

  Wait, what?

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  You know, I think it's a great place for horror.

• 1:32:27Speaker 00

  What is that? Magic or psychic?

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, when you go meet, when is you gonna meet an actual demon?

• 1:32:34Speaker 00

  I feel like you're pitching a movie right now.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  No, that is, I'm building it.

• 1:32:36Speaker 00

  Now we talking, now we talking, yeah, would you do something in the horror genre?

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, and that's the, I would like, like in horror, I would bring it to things that you see that you might not indulge in. Like you, we've all wrote past the signs, the electric sign that says psychic and wooden hands and shit like that on your window and shit like that. But, you know, it could be really scary.

• 1:33:00Speaker 00

  I don't ever go in.

• 1:33:01Speaker 02

  No, but that, that's what I'm saying, when you see it, but you don't understand what it is.

• 1:33:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  It's a great area for you to tap into, to build.

• 1:33:09Speaker 00

  Right, because there's an unknown, there's a mystery.

• 1:33:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:33:11Speaker 00

  That's a great point, like if you're already spiritual, magic isn't a big thing for you to believe in.

• 1:33:17Speaker 02

  No, it's already magic, yeah.

• 1:33:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's why I don't do Ouija boards or play with any of that stuff.

• 1:33:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, fuck off.

• 1:33:22Mark Gagnon?

  There's no way.

• 1:33:23Speaker 00

  That shit's not like a, a party?

• 1:33:25Mark Gagnon?

  Would you do a Ouija board? I don't believe that shit.

• 1:33:28Speaker 00

  Even if you don't believe it, why risk it?

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  You believe in ghosts?

• 1:33:32Mark Gagnon?

  Spirits, spirits, not ghosts.

• 1:33:35Speaker 00

  There's this show called Widow's Bay, did you, you heard of this show, it won a bunch of awards, you heard about it?

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  At Widow's Bay?

• 1:33:40Speaker 00

  Anyway, they handled this exact feeling we're discussing perfectly in it. Because there is something like spiritual or cursed with this place where the show takes place.

• 1:33:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had an experience one time in LA.

• 1:33:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, tell me.

• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  I had, on Sunset Plaza, right, I had a house out there, and I was in there writing, I'm on the bed, the music's playing, but it's not that loud, it's just so you can hear it. And I turned the music off for a second and I'm just sitting there chilling and there's no, nothing going on in the house.

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  And click, like the, the lock opened up and the door opened, but like, just enough for someone to fit in, like into the room? And it just stopped.

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  And I sat up on the bed, looked and was like, what the fuck? I looked at the clock, it's like six o'clock, somebody just came home from work, imagine you died and you just, your spirit just continued to go home.

• 1:34:47Speaker 00

  I mean, still having a nine to five.

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  And you just came home from work, fuck, mad as a motherfucker because you dead.

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  I'm in the house like, what the fuck is this? Yo, I'm sitting above him like, yo, no, I do believe that, you know, some people get stuck here.

• 1:35:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh, wow.

• 1:35:05Speaker 02

  Like that they don't, actually their spirit don't leave and then it'd be haunted shit, shit, they'd be there.

• 1:35:11Speaker 00

  Any other experiences like that or was that the only one?

• 1:35:13Speaker 02

  That was the only time that I've like been somewhere and was scared.

• 1:35:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  Like slightly scared by what just happened.

• 1:35:19Speaker 00

  Did you leave the house?

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  Get the fuck up out of there.

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  Get the fuck up out of here, I was like this as soon as I got.

• 1:35:26Speaker 00

  Bro, see him fifty cent run out of his house?

• 1:35:28Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know if they're fucking with me because there was one time I was talking about a past life regression. So it was like I went to some lady and she's like connecting with my grandmother and I'm like talking to my grandmother in like the spiritual world, whatever. While I'm talking about that story, this door, it's a heavy ass door, it just opened up. Nobody on the other end of that shit, nobody comes, I think they fucking with me, but we checked outside, there was nobody out there.

• 1:35:54Mark Gagnon?

  Same shit, like that door is heavy.

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  I seen that.

• 1:35:57Mark Gagnon?

  They think it was the wind.

• 1:35:58Speaker 02

  No, no, no, look, it's not the wind, bro.

• 1:36:00Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know what it was.

• 1:36:01Speaker 02

  The door, I closed the door right after, closed it and pull it, because I'm like, how, look, it didn't move on, on my end.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  Like the handle didn't move when it clicked and opened, so when I'm moving it, the, the thing is moving. But it just went click and opened, it came in.

• 1:36:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:36:22Speaker 02

  I'm dead serious, and I was like, what the fuck, I sat there and then I started feeling like, yo, this is some weird shit, bro, like this is where you're going on in. I got up and I was like, yo.

• 1:36:31Speaker 00

  Cali weed right there.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't smoke that shit. That shit had me, I was like, that was something else that just came.

• 1:36:39Speaker 00

  What about nightmares, you ever wake up with like crazy vivid nightmares?

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  No, no, you know, you know what's ill, I, I did have nightmares all the time, after I got shot.

• 1:36:48Speaker 00

  That's what I was gonna.

• 1:36:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did still have that, like lingering.

• 1:36:53Speaker 00

  You would wake up in the middle of the night where it was happening or what?

• 1:36:56Speaker 02

  You know, not me getting shot again, but I kept getting in shootouts, shit like that because of, this, this shit.

• 1:37:05Speaker 02

  Look, when you get hurt like that, like that bad, you get shot, that bad, like they ain't halfway kill you, it hurts, bro. You know what I'm saying, like that, it, first your fear consumes you.

• 1:37:20Speaker 00

  It consumes you.

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you, you're just afraid of shit and then that, when you're not comfortable with that, because that's just not who you are, your personality, like to be like that all the time? Then you start to become a bit insensitive. Because the only way to get rid of that emotion is to take on the anger or to take on aggression.

• 1:37:40Speaker 00

  Something else takes its place.

• 1:37:41Speaker 02

  Yes, and then that, it replaces that, because it's, it's something like when people don't know something, if you got information or output, like, or something that you, they're not aware of it? They could be angry for not understanding.

• 1:37:56Speaker 00

  There's a defensiveness.

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  Yes, like they get angry because they don't understand why you said that, like, you know what I'm saying? And then it's not, you can't, you don't take offense to that because you look at them and say, wait, he just doesn't, some, some of these people are stupid, right? You know, the president will ask you, are you stu-, are you stupid?

• 1:38:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  Things I don't like about him, but there's some things I like, right?

• 1:38:19Speaker 02

  There's some things I fucking like, right? It's just, it's just, I've never seen anything like that.

• 1:38:25Speaker 00

  Are you stupid?

• 1:38:27Speaker 02

  Are you stupid, like in the middle of the fucking president? My god.

• 1:38:32Mark Gagnon?

  He is funny.

• 1:38:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, he says some cool, he says some dope shit.

• 1:38:35Speaker 00

  He's crazy.

• 1:38:36Speaker 02

  I don't know, drink LaRox. Like, what the fuck? I was like, yo, who the fuck? Queens.

• 1:38:45Speaker 00

  So wait, so how'd you get rid of the fear?

• 1:38:47Speaker 02

  That, well, that's, it naturally is, is uncomfortable for me to feel like that, so I started, you know, going towards it.

• 1:38:57Speaker 00

  Going, you would?

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  Going towards it instead of waiting for something to happen, I was trying to actually make it happen.

• 1:39:04Speaker 00

  Oh, fuck.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  So it didn't, it changed it, it was like, nah, nah, I'm just going. Because I was feeling like, like, like, after you, like you hit like that, you, oh shit, like, and, and nobody's off the street, everybody's home. So how does it work? You can't see a clear path to things working, so I'm like, if I kill you, boy, I'm, I'm going down as the guy who knocked you off and you had a higher profile than me on the street level.

• 1:39:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  So I'm just knock your ass off, since I'm feeling like this.

• 1:39:40Speaker 02

  You see what I'm saying, everything in my plans are ruined, so your shit is, I don't know what you planning, but you should plan longer than me seeing you.

• 1:39:47Mark Gagnon?

  That's terrifying. I know you mean that.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, and that was really like the process that I went through and then. But look, it wasn't meant for me to do that because the music just took off. It just started working. Like the tapes, look, it was a long shot, bro. Like you got to even, we couldn't upload music to iTunes and YouTube and shit and get worldwide coverage.

• 1:40:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, there were gatekeepers. There were real gatekeepers.

• 1:40:17Speaker 02

  You couldn't get in it. Like Universal made, like why the mixtape circuit is the way for marketing. Like I had a guy around us. They didn't understand it. Cause usually when the bootleggers have artist material, they're losing money and it's hurting them. He punching the bootlegger in the face. I'm like, your brother knocked the teeth out the boy mouth. I'm going, no, you can't.

• 1:40:40Speaker 00

  That's promotion right there.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  I need them.

• 1:40:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:44Speaker 02

  Like, cause like he was feeling like, nah, I thought we was losing money. Cause he, they, you know, and I'm like,

• 1:40:51Speaker 02

  nigga, we don't even exist right now. We need that to happen. Like I'm putting the Columbia barcode on the back of it.

• 1:40:59Speaker 00

  To make it look official.

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  Columbia's not even involved. You know, it's just the last label I was connected. They stopped answering the phone. I put the logo, fuck with Columbia talking about. I'm just, if they say don't do it, I'm doing it.

• 1:41:11Mark Gagnon?

  When they stopped answering the phone, cause you were signed to them first, was that you saying because you got blackballed or because they thought you weren't gonna make it?

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Along with that.

• 1:41:19Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, in addition to it.

• 1:41:20Speaker 02

  That is too much pressure.

• 1:41:21Mark Gagnon?

  But they didn't feel like, oh, you know what? Instead of dropping you, let me just.

• 1:41:25Speaker 00

  Self you and see if it happens.

• 1:41:27Speaker 02

  See, look, the, the next project, the next, that week.

• 1:41:33Mark Gagnon?

  Cause you already buzzing.

• 1:41:34Speaker 02

  That week I was supposed to shoot Doug Love. It's me and Beyonce.

• 1:41:38Speaker 02

  The Doug Love song that offered that power dollar, we were scheduled to do the video and everything. When I got shot, I was going to the tattoo parlor.

• 1:41:46Speaker 00

  You and Beyonce?

• 1:41:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, they had a record too.

• 1:41:48Speaker 00

  Hold on.

• 1:41:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was what my, my single was off that album.

• 1:41:55Speaker 02

  And, um, yeah, I just didn't have the shot to do that. Cause I got shot and

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  this is how like when, when, when old boy is telling his crew that he, I'm coming. He already knew I'm coming.

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  Already it, it fast enough. This is what I'm telling you. This is being a student of the game and studying what's going on. And understanding that, you know, he's gonna be a big fucking problem when he does cut through. And this is, you know, Jay telling his people.

• 1:42:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:28Speaker 02

  You need to put out as much shit as you can put out right now. Cause just flood it. Because when he do come.

• 1:42:34Speaker 00

  Fuck, when you come back, it's, we're cutting off the water for everybody else.

• 1:42:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's gonna shut that shit down. All that other stuff that's going on. It didn't, it didn't get official. I think you got guys like Ebro, right? Program director. They're supposed to continue to play these guys' music. And he plays what's working the best.

• 1:42:55Speaker 02

  What's working the best is usually with the radio players. Right? And he doesn't participate or pull them or those other artists' records onto the air. So they don't become pure. They don't have a hit while I have a hit. And maybe we should do a song together. Like, you know what I'm saying? It didn't feel like that. So when I worked with people, I would be like, I was a MOP fan. I was an MOP fan. So I picked them up. I knew that the business would tell you they're gonna sell 500,000 pieces max.

• 1:43:25Speaker 00

  But?

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  I'm saying I could get them to sell more.

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  Like my audience will buy the record. And I could sell a million records for a MOP album. I can do that. Watch. You know what I'm saying? Like it's different. Like even the, the clips.

• 1:43:41Speaker 00

  Did you put out the Annie up?

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  Nah, they just, they released that ahead. That's records that made me fans.

• 1:43:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. But then, did you go after MOP because I think Rockefeller was also trying to sign him at the same time? No? Okay.

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  I never did that. Like I never went after the artist and, and competing to have like the thing like.

• 1:44:01Speaker 00

  You went after the artist because you wanted to put out the music?

• 1:44:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, like Mase, I wasn't trying to take him away from Puffy. Like, I wanted to make Jesus walk, bro. What the fuck? You know what I'm saying? Like I wanted to make that record. Like I did God give me style, God give me grace. But that was like, look, when you have the kind of success, give it to die, try it, bro. That's the first thing that came. That's the first song I recorded. It was on a mask. It was to God give me style, God give me grace and shit like that. And I went and I played it for my grandma.

• 1:44:34Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:44:35Speaker 02

  It was the first rap record I had that was my grandmother appropriate.

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  Right? The rest of the shit, she would go out and buy the CD and wouldn't open the case. Cause I was saying this wrong shit. He goes, fuck, I don't know what you're talking about. Right? And she's so spiritual like, I, I grew up feeling like my grandfather was the strongest one in the house. Uh, my grandmother's faith was so strong. That even when the cancer shit comes, that you don't notice.

• 1:45:02Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  She's going through the process, but because she prayed on it, it's nothing to worry about. And she's looking at you like, why are you wearing? But I see a shrink in.

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  The process, the physically is changing her. And like, I'm hurt by that, but she just, it was just like, some ill shit. Because it's like, it's like, no, she didn't even identify what, why I was feeling that way.

• 1:45:27Speaker 00

  She has so much faith that it didn't bother her.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  That's it. You said your prayers. That's it. You pray, you worry. You don't do both.

• 1:45:34Speaker 00

  If you pray or you worry, you don't do both.

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  If you were your higher power, would you answer your prayers if you saw you doubting?

• 1:45:42Speaker 00

  Nah, because those prayers aren't there.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  Right. You're not, you're doubting. Why should I answer your prayers?

• 1:45:48Mark Gagnon?

  Did her faith give you faith?

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  That was, that was the only one praying at that point in the early stages. You know, like grandmother, she was doing the praying for me.

• 1:45:59Mark Gagnon?

  Are you spiritual?

• 1:46:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah? Like church, uh, God fearing?

• 1:46:03Speaker 02

  No, no, I don't. I'm God fearing and I'm not in a regiment. You mean religious?

• 1:46:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  When you bring up the church. No, I'm not religious. Cause I'm spiritual. And I do believe in God and I have my own relationships. You know, you would, I've been in more situations where I need answers. And then who do you go to? Higher power then. I bet you get to praying when things get uncomfortable. Right? And then there's a, even when the plane shake, shit.

• 1:46:33Mark Gagnon?

  That's a fine Jesus this way. Talking about a serious turbulence. You know what I'm saying? Like it's just, it's just,

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  cause you see so many images of that shit not going right, you know? But you know, if the plane go down, don't worry about me. I'm not going out like that. I'm in somebody's pool.

• 1:46:51Speaker 02

  With the fucking host.

• 1:46:55Mark Gagnon?

  If I hit the deep end, you're good.

• 1:46:58Speaker 02

  I'm telling you, I'm gonna land somewhere.

• 1:47:00Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know why I have that weird confidence too. That if a plane's going down for some reason, I feel like I could jump out the right tower.

• 1:47:11Speaker 02

  I'm not supposed to go out like that. You go through all the bullshit and then go out like, cause like, fuck it. People like me die from like head colds. Like bullshit, like natural causes.

• 1:47:21Speaker 00

  Kobe dies here, right?

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  What happens to your time, bro?

• 1:47:25Mark Gagnon?

  I always wondered, what brought on the line, Jay's line when he says, I'm about a dollar. What the fuck is 50 Cent? Was that because of How to Rob or did something else happen?

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was it.

• 1:47:35Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, just because How to Rob?

• 1:47:36Speaker 02

  You said, whenever you tap at that point.

• 1:47:40Mark Gagnon?

  Cause I feel like that line made you big.

• 1:47:44Speaker 02

  It is a big piece. Like I, and I was honored by it.

• 1:47:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Cause I went and started looking at like.

• 1:47:50Speaker 02

  He said, when I seen him, I saw him before he said it. I was at summer jam when he said it. I didn't know that many people.

• 1:47:57Mark Gagnon?

  How to Rob was already out?

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  Bro, I didn't know that many people knew who the fuck 50 Cent was. Me.

• 1:48:03Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:48:04Speaker 00

  Cause there's no way to gauge it back then. There's no social media. There's no looking at blogs.

• 1:48:09Speaker 02

  So when you saying it, I'm like, who the fuck is 50 Cent? Ah, and they scream. I go, oh shit.

• 1:48:14Speaker 00

  They know me.

• 1:48:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:18Speaker 02

  All right, bitch. I'll be back.

• 1:48:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, you got me. But that's, that's one of those things where, you know, like, that's why you look, look, everybody needs somebody. Like, how do you leverage?

• 1:48:37Speaker 00

  It's like wrestling. You need a heel. Can't be a babyface with a heel.

• 1:48:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, all by yourself doing it. And then it's like, you know, like even like Drake, that Kendrick thing was great for him. Yeah. It didn't damage anything.

• 1:48:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I feel, I feel like.

• 1:48:52Speaker 02

  You come back, you see three albums selling like a fucking, like, yeah, I asked them.

• 1:48:57Mark Gagnon?

  It's funny, but that Kendrick's control verse is like the How to Rob. That was like the modern day How to Rob.

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  Nah, he, he has, Kendrick is, these guys are just worlds apart, man. Different animals, bro, like that. Kendrick, they've been having Kendrick in our culture, but it was Talib Kweli.

• 1:49:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:18Speaker 02

  It was, it was both death. Like those guys, Kendrick was what Kendrick offered. But like they, it lived in, in the culture. It was common sense. It's conscious. It was smart rap. Sit down, be humble. Who the fuck says that, bro? You look at the culture, what they say. You know, Cardi comes like my pussy.

• 1:49:43Speaker 02

  That shit, you say everything distorted. Like every piece of, of, of life that, um, wouldn't fit, fits in the culture. The descriptions fit in hip hop. Yeah, it belongs here. Like, and this is what, you know, what people experiences when they're able to articulate it. Because you can't escape the love of it. It's happening all over. Cause it is a bridge.

• 1:50:08Speaker 02

  When it keeps saying, oh, nothing, it's white. Anything that expands a business or, or increases a consumer base is a bridge.

• 1:50:17Speaker 00

  Is a bridge. There's an iconic clip of, of you and Jim Carrey.

• 1:50:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was Sundance.

• 1:50:24Speaker 00

  Tell me what this was?

• 1:50:25Speaker 02

  Sundance. We was in Utah.

• 1:50:27Speaker 00

  And then we gotta wrap this up. We're getting, but we're getting told.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  It was Chris and Jim. You should, you should understand.

• 1:50:33Speaker 00

  Okay, first of all, how familiar with Jim are you at this point in time?

• 1:50:36Speaker 02

  Super familiar.

• 1:50:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:50:37Speaker 02

  Like I'm like a comedian. He was not even human. Like, like he'd be a whole nother person.

• 1:50:43Speaker 00

  But is this, is this Ace Ventura, Jim Carrey? Is this the Mask?

• 1:50:46Speaker 02

  Yes, man.

• 1:50:47Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 1:50:47Speaker 02

  To me, like.

• 1:50:48Speaker 00

  He's on top of the world.

• 1:50:51Speaker 02

  You can't fucking get nothing bigger than that.

• 1:50:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:50:53Speaker 02

  At the time. And then you like, that's why I'm like, I don't give a fuck. Like, yeah, you can do what you want on my show.

• 1:50:59Speaker 00

  Say again?

• 1:51:00Mark Gagnon?

  2009.

• 1:51:00Speaker 00

  2009. Okay. So tell me, so he just goes, I wanna come on stage with you? Or does he just do it?

• 1:51:06Speaker 02

  Just come on.

• 1:51:07Speaker 00

  Okay, play this.

• 1:51:12Speaker 02

  He's going crazy.

• 1:51:21Speaker 02

  What the fuck?

• 1:51:25Speaker 00

  He's the best.

• 1:51:25Speaker 02

  Oh, I've never seen this.

• 1:51:27Speaker 00

  Jim Carrey's the best.

• 1:51:28Speaker 02

  He's fucking nutty, why?

• 1:51:33Speaker 00

  Seen that one? He can't hold it in his lap.

• 1:51:40Speaker 00

  Alright, we gotta, we gotta get out of here. Before we leave, man, Street Fighter October 16th. Anything you want to tell the people about this? About this massive movie did?

• 1:51:49Speaker 02

  Ah, this movie is a smash hit, bro. You know, I expected to do about 90 million. You know, and, uh...

• 1:51:59Speaker 02

  Partly because of me. You better go watch this fucking movie, bro. I'm counting on you now.

• 1:52:07Speaker 02

  I'm counting on you now. You know, you didn't expect me to be up in there like that. Look at this door right here.

• 1:52:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, look at that.

• 1:52:13Speaker 02

  They only let Michael B. Jordan do shit like that.

• 1:52:17Speaker 00

  It's you and Michael B.

• 1:52:18Speaker 02

  That is true.

• 1:52:19Speaker 00

  The top of the game. Oh shit, man. Look at this.

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  You know, in advance, man, that... Andrew got busy in his joint. They gonna get a chance to see him, like, in rare form, bro.

• 1:52:31Speaker 00

  Oh, respect.

• 1:52:32Speaker 02

  And then, like, there was... What's crazy is, like, the process... Cause I'm, I'm in love with this process. Like, watching this shit, like... I'm, I'm, I see things different now. I see the scenes, I see the effects, what they had to fix up. What came in after, you know, but when you, you watch...

• 1:52:51Speaker 02

  Someone like, like, in the character, like, the actors, like... It's the most insecure business to be in. Like, actors, so every time they heard a yes, you gotta imagine how many times they heard no. Right? And...

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  When it get really good, they can do everything five and six different ways.

• 1:53:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:10Speaker 02

  So they have to have a communications with a director, someone that they can rely on that's gonna give them the note, or it's gonna say... That was it.

• 1:53:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:53:20Speaker 02

  And, okay, you can, you can play now, because...

• 1:53:24Speaker 00

  We got it.

• 1:53:24Speaker 02

  We got it.

• 1:53:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  Right? And... And then they can wheel off into the other areas that they have to, to bring different things to the character and their performance. But if they don't get that... If they don't make that communication, that connection between them and, and the director, that... They can get frustrated because they...

• 1:53:46Speaker 00

  They're not getting the feedback they need.

• 1:53:47Speaker 02

  Five or six different ways, and they're not registering.

• 1:53:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:51Speaker 02

  I did a joint with Mel Gibson.

• 1:53:53Speaker 00

  How was that?

• 1:53:53Speaker 02

  And he's like... How was that? How was that? And the guy was like, "It's good, we're just gonna change the angles." And then he was like...

• 1:54:03Speaker 02

  "It's gonna tell me it's good shit." "If I don't know when it's shit, I know when I'm getting fucked." Right? He said... Cause he wasn't telling them.

• 1:54:11Speaker 00

  Wow. He called them on it.

• 1:54:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mel's... It's different. He said, "Nah, it's shit."

• 1:54:19Speaker 02

  "You think I don't know when I'm getting fucked? I know when I'm getting fucked."

• 1:54:21Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:54:26Speaker 02

  He said, "Look at me, hey, you know..." "Maybe we get him on the next one."

• 1:54:32Speaker 02

  This shit right here is not gonna do it. But he was... What the fuck, man? He was, these people are the most fun people to be around when they in that tone, in that mood, you know what I'm saying? And I don't know what the fuck, man. Everybody, different shit. They say shit and then they... What's the cancel culture?

• 1:54:51Speaker 00

  Well, I think what happens is you get to a certain size and people are, like, afraid of you and they don't wanna piss you off.

• 1:54:57Speaker 02

  And they give you a responsibility that you never asked for. And you're supposed to be doing something for the people all the time. If that's not in your... Like, me, I like the entrepreneurship programs and stuff like that. And I got to Houston, the way they treated it.

• 1:55:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:55:11Speaker 02

  It was like... I'll do that here. You know what I'm saying? Cause, you know, New York is a little different. The way they, you know, register things. Like, I, I know...

• 1:55:23Speaker 02

  Like, I don't even know the city council here. I know the mayor, like, you know, and... You know, okay? Kathy, but not the, um... Like, who's this, who's on the city council?

• 1:55:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:55:36Speaker 02

  I don't even know who the fuck they are, bro, like...

• 1:55:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. We don't, yeah, we don't really connect to the city politics that much.

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It's different. Like, you know, and...

• 1:55:46Speaker 02

  And you in the city and you like... No matter when you come out, you still look, there's some things that they start bugging with. Like, you know, they...

• 1:55:54Speaker 02

  They start trying to tax people that are earning well. They work that earning well, right? So if you specifically go there, and I mean, like, damn, I know you're doing the Robin Hood thing and shit, but then you gonna rob the hood? Why you doing that, Robin Hood?

• 1:56:06Speaker 00

  Well, Al's a communist, so he knows that.

• 1:56:10Speaker 02

  When you say that, that it, it feels like, you know, there's people out there that are like, "Yeah, yeah, take it from them, cause it's not from them."

• 1:56:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:56:17Speaker 02

  But, you know...

• 1:56:19Speaker 00

  You got it.

• 1:56:20Speaker 02

  If you look at the businesses, the smaller businesses...

• 1:56:22Speaker 00

  You got it.

• 1:56:22Speaker 02

  Do the functioning, like, when you go to the restaurants?

• 1:56:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:56:24Speaker 02

  They usually have four or five owners. There are those people who have a lot of money that are just making the investment for the social experience and they bring their people there. They having beethens, or when they hanging out, shit like that. They go to that, they frequent that spot. And bringing cool people makes the place cool.

• 1:56:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  Cause people start to bring their people.

• 1:56:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 1:56:44Speaker 02

  You know, how that shit work? And then... So if you run them out, you run a lot of the smaller ancillary business that goes on because they just building lifestyle.

• 1:56:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:56:54Speaker 02

  Participating in those things.

• 1:56:55Speaker 00

  I heard, I heard you voted for Zorah, Mom Tati.

• 1:56:57Speaker 02

  You heard that?

• 1:56:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. Al, stop pulling sides on the podcast. We had a great episode, man.

• 1:57:05Speaker 00

  Al, stop it.

• 1:57:06Speaker 02

  Look, his nails are painted.

• 1:57:07Speaker 00

  I know. I know that.

• 1:57:08Speaker 02

  Whenever he do some shit.

• 1:57:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. He voted for RuPaul.

• 1:57:11Speaker 02

  Just point out his name.

• 1:57:16Speaker 00

  October 16th, Street Fighter 50th, everybody! Yes!