Cody Rhodes on Street Fighter BTS Stories, Crazy 50 Cent Gift, & the Biggest WWE Ego

YERRRRR the All-American hero is with us today. That's right Guile from the upcoming Street Fighter movie [out Oct 16th] aka Cody Rhodes is on the couch. We're talking: - Maintaining Kayfabe - Andrew farting on set - The film being a real collaborative effort - Raising the next gen of wrestlers - Is Cody considering retirement? And much, much more - PERFECT! Timestamps: 00:00 Congrats on the new movies 00:46 What is kayfabe? F-word + Mike Tyson's "rat" 6:52 Haku vs Dusty + What a legend 9:50 Schulz ever won a fight? Up on the ropes 14:21 Farting on set, Heel turn + Cigar culture 19:10 Andrew's acting, Cody's lean + Padel pusher 27:17 Cody Lie, "Have a night" + John Cena can DRINK 34:31 More Guile scenes cos Cody was GOOD 39:00 Filming was FUN, Acting Bug + Ken was about it 43:28 Similarity with wrestling + Chun-Li's thighs 46:35 Eric Andre was phenomenal + Ryu is a legend 48:49 Andrew's "driver" + 50 Cent took it seriously 54:41 Is Cody is a diva? Ribera jackets + Goto 1:00:36 Dhalsim is a TRUE MONK + Vega is beautiful 1:06:27 Cody an athlete? Ballet's BRUTAL + Getting cast 1:11:59 Worst part making a movie? The neck tattoo 1:21:27 New York gonna win it all 1:23:02 Playing Street Fighter + Evo Moment 37 1:28:43 Cold Facetime no, no + Wrestling dreams 1:32:03 What's left? Next gen + Letting go... 1:47:25 Comics x Wrestlers, Shane Gillis setup + Andre the Giant 1:59:22 Hogan x Andre + Moments driving Wrestling 2:05:11 Finishing the story, Roman Reigns' impact + Selling tickets 2:10:51 Handing it over + Crazy wrestling stories 2:15:28 Ruining scenes, Baby gifts + Little bonnet 2:20:16 S3m3n retention, Marvel vs Capcom + Barking 2:28:02 Earn it, True heels + Always on 2:38:31 Unified in direction, Earning it + Analytical 2:43:11 Acting bug + Fights are incredible 2:48:13 Lean is ripped, You look pork + Popcorn bucket 2:51:46 Retirement? Pay is VERY GOOD 3:00:16 Tom Brady's answer + Over vs Popular This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. #codyrhodes #streetfighter #guile Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Guys, we're here with movie superstar Cody Rhodes, American Nightmare to American Hero, Guile, the new Street Fighter, Cody Rhodes.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 0:08Speaker 00

  Holy.

• 0:10Speaker 01

  What's up, Cody? Congratulations. What's up? How are you?

• 0:13Speaker 00

  I'm good, dude.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. Good to have you here. Congratulations to him. You got a movie. It was announced.

• 0:17Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  Miami Vice.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  Thank you very much.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  That's huge.

• 0:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, congratulations to you too, man.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  All right.

• 0:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, because you got Street Fighter and then?

• 0:27Speaker 01

  Street Fighter, we were both in and we had a great time.

• 0:29Speaker 00

  We did have a great time and like a lot of buzz about you.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  But Street Fighter's been, yeah.

• 0:35Speaker 00

  Started it, right? Like, because I wasn't even gonna go there.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  I was genuinely happy for your, it was announced.

• 0:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Formally out there that you're part of this movie.

• 0:44Speaker 00

  So you're saying if there's not something formally announced, I should, I should maintain kayfabe or whatever.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  How long are we in? You're in, baby. You are. You're in.

• 0:55Speaker 00

  Something's going on, but yeah. No, no, but obviously we're only talking about formal announcements.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  Do you know what kayfabe means?

• 1:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  I think you have a vague concept and we, did we talk about this the last time?

• 1:04Speaker 00

  I think kayfabe is when a guy puts his penis in another guy's foreskin.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  No, that's, that is not. That's docking.

• 1:10Speaker 00

  Docking, that's docking.

• 1:12Speaker 01

  It's called docking.

• 1:13Speaker 00

  Docking.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Docking.

• 1:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14Speaker 01

  It's crazy, you know? No, I joke with people all the time. If you can tell me the definition of kayfabe, I'll give you a thousand dollars. And I've never, ever had to pay up on that bet.

• 1:23Speaker 00

  Isn't kayfabe just maintaining the business?

• 1:26Speaker 01

  You're not wrong, but you're not right. The specific singular definition of it is, you know, is, you're not gonna get it. But you didn't use it incorrectly either, though.

• 1:36Speaker 00

  So I'm using it as like, you know, popular vernacular, but I'm not actually, the definition of it.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's root definition. And then people get that confused with its origins, which is origins is carnivals.

• 1:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Call and collect, kayfabian, call and collect, letting the family know you've made it to the next town. That's its origins, but that's not its definition.

• 1:57Speaker 00

  Okay, what's his definition?

• 1:58Speaker 01

  I'm not, that would ruin my whole bet. Spend a thousand dollars. Yeah, I gotta, until someone walks up to the street.

• 2:04Speaker 00

  Google it.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're basically.

• 2:06Speaker 00

  I know the definition. I know who gets to dictate what the definition is.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  You're basically a wrestler yourself. You've done the show, you know? You're trying to figure out how to make celebrities work in, in sports entertainment and pro wrestling.

• 2:17Speaker 00

  Well, I could just be, listen, I'm like, I'm such a casual with wrestling. I just want to point this out.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're not. You're not wrong.

• 2:23Speaker 00

  I, I am.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  You already dropped kayfabe in two minutes in.

• 2:25Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  You worked with multiple wrestlers on a recent film project.

• 2:29Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  See, you're not.

• 2:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, shout out Roman. Also shocked to see you guys not have a single conversation together the entire time you've ever been together.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's not kayfabe.

• 2:43Speaker 00

  Well, this is where I'm like, so, so I was wondering about this and like I asked wrestling.

• 2:49Speaker 00

  No, no, because like.

• 2:53Speaker 00

  I'm like, at a certain point in time, I'm like, okay, they're gonna be like, there's gonna be this behind the scenes. Oh, they're all hanging out, right?

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Buddies.

• 3:03Speaker 00

  Weird. My dad used to do the, produce the news for NBC back in the day.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  That's really cool.

• 3:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:09Speaker 00

  And he did a thing where, with wrestling, where back in the day, there was, everybody kind of was like, this is, this is, you know, this is, was it not scripted? What is the term that you want to use for it?

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Or, I don't know. I mean, real?

• 3:22Speaker 00

  But then they'll go, well, it is real. I get a hip replacement. My back hurts.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  I'm never that one, though. I'm never that one. Yeah, I've seen several times when you can tell a wrestler instantly, especially when it's a split screen.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Interview, when somebody drops the F word in there and then a wrestler will be like, whoa, I broke my neck and they get all. I typically take a softer approach to the feeling you have.

• 3:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  When you come to an event, is a real feeling.

• 3:46Speaker 00

  It's a real feeling, man.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  And that's usually why I don't ever use the, the F word in that regards.

• 3:51Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  But also, that's where wrestling interviews sometimes can go to die. Because you can see a guy hanging on to it, like.

• 3:59Speaker 00

  You can't let it go.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  You gotta let it go.

• 4:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Like, you remember when Tyson got interviewed and all of a sudden called that guy a rat? Do you remember that?

• 4:05Speaker 00

  Which one?

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Mike Tyson? It's a great Mike Tyson interview.

• 4:09Speaker 00

  It's not that I'm gonna eat your kids.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  No, no, this is later, after everything. He's, he's got a one man show he's promoting.

• 4:16Speaker 00

  Oh, in Canada?

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yes, and that guy.

• 4:18Speaker 00

  In Canada?

• 4:19Speaker 01

  This is amazing. He goes in on that guy, but you can see, if you were just looking at each other, you'd think like, I think everything's okay.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  No, this is.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Mike was not okay with the words that were in the question.

• 4:28Speaker 00

  Because he brought up the, you know, the past. He brought up the history.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Oh, are you, is this it? That guy's brave.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, he thought he was safe. But Mike is a loaded gun.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  There it is.

• 4:40Speaker 00

  There it is. Here we go.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Hey, um, I don't know who said that. You don't even know how to say that. You know what I mean? And I don't have no problem with that, you know, because it's negative and you being negative. And I, I'm at the end, nothing I can do about it.

• 5:02Speaker 00

  It's not funny, but.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  Oh, wow, he's trying to hold it together.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  So once you can hear you come close like a man, but you're really a piece of shit.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  You know, we're doing, we're doing live TV. I don't care what you're doing. You got a, you got a show that you're doing tonight. We are a lot of people. We are, we're here. It's a real, a lot of people are here to see your show. This is all good about it. Um, you know, it's peaceful itself. We're doing a show. It's a Broadway production. We went to actually 20 cities in the United States. And we're really, really proud to bring it here and we're actually going to Monaco on October 9th.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Who's this guy with him? You had, why is he, why is he trying so hard at this point? Pull him out.

• 5:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  It's more than a practical, it's more than a rap piece of shit.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. There's a, there's.

• 6:02Speaker 00

  Oh, Mike is the best.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  There's YouTube videos that I can just hear my wife watching in the other room because I can hear her laughing and this is a regular. But that's again.

• 6:11Speaker 00

  That happened in the, in, who was it? Schultz? Was the wrestler's last name Schultz, actually?

• 6:15Speaker 01

  Oh, where he open hands slapped the guy backstage. That one's pretty fun, actually.

• 6:19Speaker 00

  It's amazing.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  That one's pretty, but, uh, yeah, it's where a lot of wrestling interviews can go to die.

• 6:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  I, I always just, you know, try and keep the composure if there's an opening to put my little soundbite in there. Great, but, oh, there it is.

• 6:33Speaker 00

  So, yeah. But my dad, he was surprised to see everybody in the same locker room. That's what he said. And then, now what I would say to that is like, even with the UFC fights, they're kind of in a locker room separated by like a sheet.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:47Speaker 00

  But what I was shocked with you and Roman is, is you guys, uh, yeah, I don't know.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  I'll tell you this crazy, I was such a slow learner in terms of, I didn't want to know about the secrets of it. I liked being out there. I didn't want to be backstage, even though I was backstage with my dad all the time. I wanted to watch it.

• 7:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  But one time, uh, I think it was in Macon, Georgia, Haku, who's on WWE TV now. Haku is notoriously the toughest wrestler of all time.

• 7:14Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Gouged a cop's eye out, just this amazing, if you look up anything, Haku, and any wrestler will tell you, Haku is the toughest. He's also the sweetest human being you've ever met.

• 7:23Speaker 00

  As they are.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Uh, as, as.

• 7:24Speaker 00

  Like Mike Tyson.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  There he is.

• 7:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  But he, um, he did a spot with my father, which we called the big bubba spot, where he, my dad took a wood chair and slammed it over Haku's head. They exploded on his head and Haku just stared there and looking at him and the crowd, you know, oh my, and then put my dad in some sort of nerve hole. And Dusty's like bleeding. He's a lot older at this point, all this craziness. And I am of the age where you can get real hot headed and like, that's my, you know, you're proud of your parents. And also you should probably know this is a collaborative effort at this point, but I don't want to know. I came backstage, um, my dad's sitting there and he's bleeding and he's like undoing his boots and Haku came in.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Again, nicest, most soft spoken, uh, hey, Captain. And like, my dad's like, hey. And he knew I shouldn't be seeing this probably, but maybe I should be. And then he helped my dad take his knee wraps off. And they said, I love you, brother. And they, and I, so all this happened and it's the moment where you should instantly go, okay. Hmm, got it. Now I get this whole thing. I still didn't get it. I.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  Dad in the head and then it's up him out.

• 8:33Speaker 00

  That's humiliating, dude. Don't take my knee wraps off.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  So I asked my dad and it's kinda like the UFC thing you're talking about with the sheets. I asked my dad, he goes, oh, well, you know, back here, we get in a lot of trouble. Out there, it's fair game, but it's business back here. And I still didn't, I was like, oh, oh, okay. Yeah. There's just rules backstage. Makes sense. Out there, yeah.

• 8:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  So, yeah, it still didn't turn me.

• 8:55Speaker 00

  Well, I'm wondering if it helps the, the business.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Look at him, by the way. I mean, he's got a, he's got a staff, he's carrying a TV. I don't think people at, and I hope they do, but at WWE now, he's on SmackDown.

• 9:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  I hope when he walks around, all the others know what he is, what he could do and how special he is.

• 9:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Cause the, as, as we get older, you know, that's a long time ago, not the new generation may not know.

• 9:21Speaker 00

  People will forget.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  People will forget. I try my best, though, you know?

• 9:24Speaker 00

  I mean, it's great that you're doing that.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Let them know.

• 9:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, let them know.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  That man took a man's eye.

• 9:28Speaker 00

  One day, people will forget about us all, man.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's why we gotta do like you're doing, get all these movies.

• 9:36Speaker 00

  Oh, is that just me doing that?

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, that's the same.

• 9:38Speaker 00

  It's just me doing that.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Your upward mobility, you're just growing.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  What you're doing is you're pushing me in a position where I'm gonna have to defend myself and I'm using a cigar again.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  And I'm gonna have to, you know, I'm gonna have to be informal.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Defend yourself like you did with Koji on the content day where you kept trying very poor jujitsu style takedowns.

• 9:57Speaker 00

  I feel like I dominated control.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  What you were gonna do.

• 10:00Speaker 00

  That's, that's what happened? That's confidence?

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I wanna hear all those.

• 10:03Speaker 00

  Is that not confidence?

• 10:04Speaker 01

  No, there's no videos, but there's hours of time probably lost on the content day because Schultz kept needing to get his hair and makeup redone. Because he would get rough with Koji and Koji, if you know Koji, has Koji been on here?

• 10:18Speaker 00

  Not yet. No, no, no.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Okay, Koji.

• 10:20Speaker 00

  Andrew Koji's real.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Koji is real life for you.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  He's an absolute 100% legit martial artist, a wanderer, all those things. But for whatever reason, whatever reason Andrew thought he could take him down.

• 10:33Speaker 00

  And it was not happening. In a Netflix show with a sex scene with Keira Knightley, by the way, you can watch that.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Koji?

• 10:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. You haven't watched that?

• 10:40Speaker 01

  That's very weird that you know that.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, why do you, why do you, I like, I like TV and I appreciate what my co-stars do.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Did you know this before the, before the movie?

• 10:49Speaker 00

  When did you know that? Yeah. Well, I mean, why do you think I was trying to do the jujitsu? I was trying to reenact. I was trying to mount him like Keira.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  What a stud, what a stud, though.

• 10:58Speaker 00

  Nah, he's peace.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  But why were you trying to fight him?

• 11:01Speaker 00

  I, I, it was like, we're there for 12 hours or whatever and like hour six, I just got a little silly.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 00

  And then he was pushing my fucking buttons and I had to do something about it.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  I don't think anyone.

• 11:11Speaker 00

  You almost got it too.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I almost got it too.

• 11:14Speaker 00

  You almost got it, bro.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  It seemed like everybody was pushing your buttons.

• 11:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, and with me and you, it's not collaborative.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  No, no, it's a, it, what, you know the word for that? Since you got your wrestling vernacular?

• 11:24Speaker 00

  Okay, fade.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  No, no, no, the other side of that. If it's not, if it's real, what do we call that? I used it in a text with you the other day. Shoot, shoot.

• 11:34Speaker 00

  Shoot.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  And I wondered what I, I wondered when I texted you if you were like, what? I said something like, it's a straight shoot, yeah.

• 11:44Speaker 00

  No, it's a straight shoot. No, I did a straight shoot.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Are you lighting that Fuente up?

• 11:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I feel like you gave me the one that's gonna make me throw up because you're a fucking dick.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  No, I've been nothing but, we've been nothing but friendly moments, you and I.

• 11:55Speaker 00

  So charming this whole time.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  And we've been.

• 11:57Speaker 00

  You're the one that's trying to like out of business.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Have you ever seen him win a fight? Cause he lost in MSG. It sounds like he's getting fucked up on set. I don't think I've seen you in a victorious moment, but.

• 12:10Speaker 00

  Yo, shut up, yo, come on.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  But a street fighter.

• 12:14Speaker 00

  I told him 16.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Street fighter, you're, you know.

• 12:18Speaker 00

  Am I the only person in WWE history to get my ass kicked, saved by another man and still go up on the, the ropes to celebrate?

• 12:27Speaker 01

  No, not at all.

• 12:27Speaker 00

  Really?

• 12:28Speaker 01

  No, no, you're, you, you, everyone goes up on the ropes.

• 12:31Speaker 00

  In good company.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  And the guys in the truck are like, in their mind, you know, please don't go on the.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  AJ told me to do it.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Well, then you were fine.

• 12:36Speaker 00

  AJ was like, do you wanna go up there? I was like, of course I wanna go up there, you fucking jerk.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Do you know what happens if you go up on the ropes with me? Like if you go to the second rope to do that? I always do this. At the end of the night, I have a whole collection of people. I say, get up there, get up there, wrestlers, celebs. So if, if they go up there, I get underneath them.

• 12:51Speaker 00

  And you throw them on the shoulders.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  I like to do the shoulder and I collect them. I did it with, uh.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  I, I did it with, uh, Braun Strowman one time and that guy is legit three bills plus.

• 13:02Speaker 00

  Big.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  And it was probably the biggest feat of strength I'd ever done and I didn't save it for an, there it is.

• 13:09Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a big guy.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:11Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  And I remember, cause now I gotta walk him back.

• 13:15Speaker 00

  Walk him back, when?

• 13:15Speaker 01

  I can't just lower him now. So I gotta walk him to another buckle. So I remember walking him out there, but yeah, I like to collect them.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  Do you feel that on the neck?

• 13:24Speaker 01

  You know, I didn't.

• 13:25Speaker 00

  Can you feel that?

• 13:25Speaker 01

  I didn't think that way.

• 13:26Speaker 00

  No.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  I didn't think that way. Look at that. Yeah, holding the ropes for a little steadiness.

• 13:33Speaker 00

  You're fucking like Biden, bro.

• 13:40Speaker 00

  Look at the other guy.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's probably the hardest one to collect right there.

• 13:46Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  I always do that. So if you get up on there with me, just don't worry about it.

• 13:50Speaker 00

  You've got me, bro?

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Hold your arms, I got you. You're not gonna slip, not gonna drop you, I got you. He doesn't wipe that well, though.

• 13:56Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 13:57Speaker 01

  He doesn't wipe that well.

• 13:58Speaker 00

  Oh, God.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're gonna be streaking.

• 14:00Speaker 00

  Who wipes that well?

• 14:00Speaker 01

  You're gonna have a shoulder streak big time.

• 14:02Speaker 00

  Honestly, who wipes that well? And he also gets like skeeved out about, uh, like, like poop humor.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  Actually, I wouldn't say I get skeeved out about poop humor.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  He didn't even say the word.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  He gets skeeved out. He doesn't like.

• 14:12Speaker 00

  I didn't understand that you would go from this very intellectual.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  He doesn't know you don't wash it. And you just shaking his hand multiple times. All I know is on, on set, he would do, he'd be doing his bits and a lot of them were all.

• 14:27Speaker 00

  Do you see? He's actually a heel. He, he presents himself as a level charming guy and then he just cuts your legs out.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  So you were doing, like, a little bit.

• 14:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're doing your skits. Imagine little skits on.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  But then randomly you just rip one and like, expect the whole room to die in laughter over that. And it seemed, it seemed to juxtapose against your humor differently.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, but then, once I found out it bothered you, like it would bother him. So I'd go into his like little green room, like his little thing.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  His little green room?

• 14:58Speaker 00

  And I just, I'd have like a, I'd ask him, like, he had a tiny little green room, like.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  They gave me one of the last few days, I knew out of kindness.

• 15:07Speaker 00

  And I just fucking let it rip, bro. I would just let it rip. And he would get like, he, he gets really, like my wife is like this a little bit too.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  He has like IBS, he has some problems.

• 15:16Speaker 00

  Okay, so you've got some sort of gastric distress.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Not an iron stomach.

• 15:20Speaker 00

  Not at all.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Not an iron stomach.

• 15:22Speaker 00

  What are you trying to say over there, buddy?

• 15:24Speaker 01

  Some have a iron stomach and some people drink coffee and like immediately like a little kid run to the bathroom.

• 15:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, like a child.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Or where do you fit on that scale?

• 15:31Speaker 00

  Are you trying to infantilize me right now?

• 15:33Speaker 01

  No, I'm not.

• 15:34Speaker 00

  Are we having a little face off? Are we having a little face off right now? Is that what's happening? Are we practicing for the heel turn, Cody? Is that what's going on?

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Man, I think the last time I was on your show was what, two years ago or three? I think we talked about a heel turn then. Look, look how long this has been.

• 15:49Speaker 00

  Can I ask you a question?

• 15:51Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 15:52Speaker 00

  If you go heel.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 15:54Speaker 00

  Is it dark hair?

• 15:55Speaker 01

  Well, that's a very good question. I don't know. Would it be?

• 16:01Speaker 00

  I think dark hair with one little blonde streak.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  That's kinda cool.

• 16:04Speaker 00

  It's kinda cool.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Like Rogue? Like you got struck by lightning?

• 16:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  What franchise is Rogan? Big as fuck.

• 16:15Speaker 00

  We drinking?

• 16:16Speaker 01

  I was grabbing this one right here that you got. And give me that. Did you ever like that or did it ever happen?

• 16:22Speaker 00

  I'm not good at that part.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  But it gave you that one.

• 16:24Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Is it happening?

• 16:26Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Please.

• 16:27Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  So you light a little bit first. You ever seen the movie, uh, Swordfish? Swordfish?

• 16:33Speaker 00

  Wait a minute, with John Travolta and Halle Berry?

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:35Speaker 00

  Full, full topless Halle Berry?

• 16:37Speaker 01

  Halle Berry, yep. So Swordfish.

• 16:39Speaker 00

  This is an encyclopedia of perv knowledge.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Unbelievable.

• 16:43Speaker 00

  I can remember, I mean, yes.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  Any celebrity actress is topless. Swordfish in the beginning, I always tell people when they get into cigars, I say, just watch the beginning of Swordfish. Cause he's cutting this monologue about the, I think it's the war economy, but it's perfect. Clips the cigar, toast it and lights it. It's, it's perfect. Cause I feel like with cigar culture, a lot of gatekeeping, you know? You don't, a lot of cigar heavies turn other people off to it because of the whole ritual and all that. Sometimes it's got a great draw, sometimes it doesn't. You don't have to smoke the whole thing. You can put it down. Actually, Kale.

• 17:19Speaker 00

  Great.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  On set.

• 17:20Speaker 00

  Legend.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  Kale, um, God bless, the coolest human ever. I had just finished explaining to everyone that exact same thing. And then he came down, we were on the boat. He's like, that's not how you do it. And he was the prime example. No, you gotta do it exactly like this, but he's a big cigar guy too.

• 17:36Speaker 00

  He was the best. He was on a flight to London. I text him, he had a bag, a plastic bag of cigars that he's bringing to, to London.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 17:44Speaker 00

  Kale is like a pure epicurean. You know, do you know epicureus philosophy is? Just like eat, drink, enjoy. There's no point to anything. Just.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Called epicurus?

• 17:52Speaker 00

  Epicurus, I think he was a, I think he's a Greek. He's a Greek and.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Life is meant to be enjoyed.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  Life is meant to be enjoyed.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  A life liver.

• 18:02Speaker 00

  Guys, important information, Street Fighter, October 16th, okay? You're all buying tickets right now. We're stopping the pod, going to buy tickets, selling every single showtime out. Opening weekend and the weekend after that, and the weekend after that. After that, also back in the lab, on tour this fall, Indianapolis, October 23rd through 24th. Alabama, November 6th through 7th. Cleveland, November 13th and 14th. Raleigh, I think that's sold out, December 4th and 5th. I think Cleveland's sold out. Columbus, December 11th and 12th. We will see you guys there at the AndrewSchultz.com.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  Also, guys, I'm coming to a bunch of cities as well at the end of this year. I'll be in Charenly, Arizona, and then I'm gonna be in Pasadena, California, San Diego, California, Detroit, Michigan. And then Salt Lake City in the new year. You can get tickets right now with Mark Gagnon live. Alex?

• 18:54Speaker 00

  And guys, Cancel Comedy is back, October 29th at Chelsea Table. We have a full night, happy hour, show and after party. It's all included, one ticket. Costumes are encouraged, but you will be giving the comics material.

• 19:10Mark Gagnon?

  See you guys there. One out of 10, what's his acting? How would you rate him?

• 19:14Speaker 01

  I'm, okay, so.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  You can just say 10, but I like that you're thinking about it.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  I want to think about it because, because when I came on set, he had already been rocking and rolling. I even asked you when you were there, I said, are you a producer? Because you were so involved in everything, right? So involved and I'm there, it was the day I wasn't shooting and Kale, who shout out to Kale, can't, that guy's amazing, but Kale was just putting you over and how, how, how really phenomenal your performance was. And there's a particular scene where you didn't have to go as hard as you did. In my, I say you didn't have to, but I don't know, but you went. And this isn't a comedy scene. This is a pure on in a beautiful action comedy fun movie.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  A pure moment of drama that you gave us. And I remember watching, thinking, okay, all right. Like these are heavies here. It was really inspiring because the same day you shot that scene. So, so if I'm giving him.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  They cut the whole scene.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. The same day you shot that scene though, they ran the sizzle for us.

• 20:21Speaker 00

  Yes, that's right. That's right.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  So they run the sizzle for us and Kattaw, Kale, Jay, the producer, they're putting the sizzle together. And I felt like I was on a little league team and we were getting ready to go play in the championship. The way it was, it was so, I could run through a brick wall.

• 20:35Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  I needed to shoot right away. I'm like, man, they had, they're really, they were so accommodating to, I'd say a non actor like me who was coming on. And that was my first time on a big set like that. My first, they, they gave me rehearsal time. We got rehearsal time on the weekend.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  That was, yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  What a preparation. I'm sorry.

• 20:52Speaker 00

  Well, I would say the trailer thing was really interesting because I was like, because, you know, Kale like really wanted to get the, the trailer out and I'm sure both of them and Kattaw directing the movie is fucking brilliant. And like, I think the idea was we gotta let the people in the movie know what the tone of the movie is.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 21:10Speaker 00

  Cause there's like 17 different characters or whatever from the game. And each person's coming in maybe with a different perspective of what the movie is, what the humor is in it, like the seriousness and like, I think that was, that was a smart idea early on in the process.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Were you taking credit for the idea?

• 21:28Speaker 00

  No, I didn't do shit. I just came in and shot it.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Producer.

• 21:31Speaker 00

  No, it's Kattaw and Kale.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  It was so fun to see Kattaw write it as, we had a beautiful script ready and then what we could find on the day, him just rewriting it.

• 21:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  As it all goes.

• 21:42Speaker 00

  And just like, he'll throw you lines.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh.

• 21:45Speaker 00

  And they're just fucking amazing. Like he'll just pepper you with shit. But this scene, it was, it was basically three of us. It was like Noah plays Ken, Cody and me, and this is your first day.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:54Speaker 00

  And it's, everybody gets to see Guile for the first time.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 21:58Speaker 00

  So you gotta understand, like everybody working on the movie played the game.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  These are all people probably in their like 30s, 40s, 50s. They played the game as a kid and there's, obviously you know Ryu and Ken, but Guile's hair, this is the thing. And then the intro, the first time we see him is just walking down this hallway. And like, it was a pretty cool moment on set.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 00

  You know?

• 22:22Speaker 01

  I got a, I feel like the highest compliment I ever could have got from Noah. I barely knew Noah and Noah, I don't think again, needs to be as kind as he is. What a superhuman person. What a good, good leader.

• 22:34Speaker 00

  He's amazing leader.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, a good leader. And I came on set to have them see my hair.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Have them see it. Is that right? Is that going to be it? And I hadn't met really anybody.

• 22:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  And I come on and it's a full room and Noah just yelled, oh man, now we're making Street Fighter. And I, I thought, oof, I gotta, also you mentioned pork shredded.

• 22:55Speaker 00

  Go, go top left. Look at this fucking guy.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:58Speaker 00

  Oh, this is what he looked like for two straight months.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  So like, certain people will do, you know, like, you know, when you're going to shoot your topless shit?

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 23:08Speaker 00

  They get absolutely shredded.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  You were in great shape.

• 23:11Speaker 00

  For two days.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Like his.

• 23:13Speaker 00

  For two days.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  That's all you needed, right?

• 23:14Speaker 00

  It was great for me, by the way.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:16Speaker 00

  It's not like you guys are like athletes where you have to have your shirt off, you know?

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you're an athlete, speaking of, I was going to ask you.

• 23:21Speaker 00

  Tell me.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  I was going to ask you.

• 23:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. You're lean by the way. Now I just want to point that out. Did I mention that before?

• 23:26Speaker 01

  You did. You mentioned it. And you, your, the thread you're trying to pull is that I've gotten lean for a movie role.

• 23:31Speaker 00

  I'm not saying that at all.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  That I haven't disclosed.

• 23:33Speaker 00

  Did you? I'm not saying that at all.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  That's what, yeah.

• 23:35Speaker 00

  I haven't said, I haven't mentioned.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Shout out to that Miami Vice, congratulations.

• 23:40Speaker 00

  You are just, you're a massive fucking guy. Like usually, like you're like a physically imposing guy. And now I feel like you're, yeah, you're just, you're you, man.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  Are you saying he's like more delicate now?

• 23:55Speaker 00

  No, he's not more delicate, but I just feel like if you took that off, don't do it. But I would just see cuts and shreds and just.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Here's a hard detour for you.

• 24:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Um, do you still play in paddle?

• 24:06Speaker 00

  I fuck my Achilles up, man.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  How?

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Career injury.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  How?

• 24:11Speaker 00

  I know.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  How?

• 24:12Speaker 00

  Playing paddle.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  It's crazy.

• 24:14Speaker 00

  Fuck my Achilles up a little bit.

• 24:15Speaker 04

  So it's been, it's been knocking me down on my paddle.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Doesn't seem like a thing you can F up a little bit. It seems like.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  It's all or nothing, right?

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, all or nothing on Achilles, right?

• 24:23Speaker 00

  Are you, are you implying that I'm faking it?

• 24:26Speaker 01

  No, I'm just saying.

• 24:27Speaker 00

  Are you using the fucking F word with me?

• 24:29Speaker 01

  No. What I'm saying is that you're not playing paddle anymore.

• 24:33Speaker 00

  Um, no, I am going to play once I heal myself.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Cause the amount of paddle, I'd say paddle pushing.

• 24:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, I do a lot of paddle pushing.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  You were, everyone who could listen, you were talking about going to play paddle and also you were playing with strangers.

• 24:47Speaker 00

  I was playing with strangers.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  You were literally setting up these paddle dates.

• 24:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  I, I just thought this is, I wanted to know if you were still doing it because you were so into it.

• 24:56Speaker 00

  Single really obsessed.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Really?

• 24:57Speaker 00

  And I just can't play right now.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  What, what is paddle a thing in the States? Cause there was a thing there.

• 25:01Speaker 00

  No, it's not.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  It was huge there.

• 25:02Speaker 00

  We were, no, it wasn't. We were building it there. Now it's big.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Now it's big.

• 25:06Speaker 00

  Now it's big.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  So you've seen your part.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  They're doing it at the Sydney Opera House now. I'm just saying.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  Any place with like Spaniards or like Mexicans paddle like really.

• 25:13Speaker 00

  Paddle is a thing.

• 25:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. We gotta get you in.

• 25:16Speaker 04

  Without them.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  You know, I don't think I'm ever going to play a game of paddle.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Like, well, I.

• 25:22Speaker 00

  You're doing it again.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  So if you, if you went to do the paddle world championships and you were in it.

• 25:27Speaker 00

  My legs out.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  I'm not trying to. If you were in the paddle world championships.

• 25:29Speaker 00

  That's why it's so good.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  I would come and support you and be about it.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  This is even worse.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 25:34Speaker 04

  Like you would support him on like his little hobby.

• 25:35Speaker 00

  You see the infantilizing thing that he does?

• 25:38Speaker 01

  What's the Kenny, what's the Kenny Powers quote about when the triathlon?

• 25:41Speaker 00

  And then he just talks over me like I'm not even here. So it's like, it's a really interesting energy that he brings.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  He says something about, I play real sports. I'm not trying to be good at exercising. That's a, that's a classic.

• 25:52Speaker 00

  And you're applying that to.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  I can't apply that. I can't.

• 25:55Speaker 04

  It's just a funny quote.

• 25:55Speaker 01

  I can't.

• 25:56Speaker 00

  But it feels like you are.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Not at all. I'm supporting of the paddle thing. If you wanted to play paddle with me, one on one, or however paddle works.

• 26:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  I, I, I'd play with you. I'd take it back. I'd play paddle with you. I would.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  Well, I feel like I make a wish, Cody. And I'm glad that you could deliver on that.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Well, I just wanted to know if you're still playing paddle. I'm sorry about Achilles.

• 26:15Speaker 00

  I am.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Which side?

• 26:17Speaker 00

  Uh, left side. Strong side.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Great movie.

• 26:20Speaker 00

  Great movie. Fantastic.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Run it up Herman. Lean no doubt. Run it up. One of my absolute.

• 26:26Speaker 00

  Nope, nope, nope.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  That, that movie was great then.

• 26:29Speaker 00

  Tonight they will remember.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Man, that, it was great then. It's still, it's still great. It's still great.

• 26:34Speaker 00

  We've cried.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  Friday night lights?

• 26:36Speaker 01

  No, remember the Titans.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  Remember the Titans.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  I knew it was football.

• 26:39Speaker 00

  No, it doesn't.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  I didn't know it was football though.

• 26:42Speaker 00

  We need, hey guys, can we get some more cups in here?

• 26:44Speaker 01

  We got, run it up Herman.

• 26:45Speaker 00

  Um, are you drinking?

• 26:48Speaker 01

  It's your house. If, if, if, I, yes, yes. I shouldn't have, yeah, yes, yes.

• 26:56Speaker 00

  Are we going to keep doing this?

• 26:57Speaker 01

  I won't talk about you drinking.

• 26:59Speaker 00

  Are we going to keep doing this? Because you specifically were like, hey, we're, we're smoking cigars and we're drinking.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  I did mention the cigars, which are phenomenal. Thank you, by the way.

• 27:06Speaker 00

  You're very welcome.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  How is it, by the way?

• 27:08Speaker 04

  It's good.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:09Speaker 00

  But now we're doing, but now you're doing a thing where like I'm almost bullying you into drinking. When this is your idea from the beginning. Is it too many calories?

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Can I tell?

• 27:16Speaker 00

  While you're on your cut, are you not able to drink? Is that a problem?

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Can I tell a story about you drinking?

• 27:20Speaker 00

  You can tell a story. Is it a Cody lie or is it a Cody truth?

• 27:23Speaker 01

  The Schultz lies are worse than the Cody lies.

• 27:25Speaker 00

  Don't even put your lies on me. You know his reputation in the business.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  No.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  It's got a little bit of a rep.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  A Cody lie is, it's gotta be rooted in truth, but you want to put a little, you want to put a little sauce.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  Oh, like a good storyteller.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. It's simple. Yeah, you want, you want a little spin.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  Another, told a Cody lie while describing a Cody lie.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  So I'll, I'll talk to you about Andrew and I over in Australia drinking and what I expected. I'm good. I'll have it neat.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  Oh, you want it neat?

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 27:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. Hey, chop chop.

• 27:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  So.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  Everyone's bossing around me.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Andrew oversees again.

• 28:01Speaker 00

  This is unbelievable.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  I get there and he is, I thought he was a real producer. He was super active. He was supportive of everybody. Another great leader on set.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  And I, I was, I was very kind of nervous about this whole thing, right? And he kept saying to me, hey, are we going to have a night? And these are your words.

• 28:19Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. We're going to have a night.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  I've heard this spiel before. You don't even have to, this is not a Cody lie though.

• 28:24Speaker 00

  Hey, we're going to have a night.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  It sounds like a Schultz. So when he said it, when he said it, here's what I thought.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Did he rub his stomach?

• 28:31Speaker 00

  The gang of, it's crazy.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  Was he rubbing his stomach while he was doing it?

• 28:33Speaker 01

  He might've been, you know? But it happened on multiple occasions and finally I'm thinking, this is approaching. And when you say that to somebody in the wrestling space, a very archaic wrestling space that how we do, if someone says, hey, we're going to have a drink together, we're going to have a night, that means all night. That means we might go out in Australia and flip a cop car. That means we might have a story for the rest of our lives.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  Sun's coming up.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Basically you are committing to, we're going to go.

• 29:03Speaker 00

  There's no warning.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Right? And you kept saying, are we going to have a night? And then the night never came. And then there were a few moments where we were at Kattaw through this wonderful dinner party.

• 29:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  And that's where I got the sense, maybe I'm, shouldn't be worried because maybe he doesn't really drink at all. Because finally, when it comes around, would you guys like anything to drink? Thinking this is probably step one of the night. He ordered an Aperol spritz. And.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  For the night?

• 29:34Speaker 01

  For the night.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  An Aperol.

• 29:35Speaker 00

  Horrible time across my legs. Tell that part again.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  So you ordered this Aperol spritz and I thought, oh, and I maybe, maybe I'll ask him because I'm actually.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  Did you order it for his wife?

• 29:44Speaker 01

  I love to, it, it was his. And I, I like this idea of a night, but also we're, we're there doing work.

• 29:52Speaker 00

  We're there doing work.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  So I, I thought that, you know, okay, maybe this, maybe I can kind of level with him. I'm not really looking to go crazy either here, pal. But then it got worse because he ordered that Aperol spritz, which I thought, oof, not the, not the, you know, not the drink I was expecting.

• 30:07Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  And then you tried to take it up a notch and you ordered a whiskey.

• 30:13Speaker 00

  I did.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  And I'll never forget. And that's where I knew, oh, he doesn't really drink at all. And, and, and thank God. Thank God.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  What is this?

• 30:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank God. Thank God.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  Bless your heart.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  He goes, uh, I'll get a whiskey ice. And she goes, on the rocks? He goes, nah, neat. And she goes, so no ice? No, with ice. And they had this whole back and forth.

• 30:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  I thought, oh, we're good. He don't even.

• 30:42Speaker 00

  I'm jet lagged. I'm 20 hours different.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  This was mid-trip.

• 30:46Speaker 00

  But there was another thing. I messed up the way to say it.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. No, but it was okay because I, I think I even asked you, hey, you're not really a big drinker. Or you said, not really. And I said, yeah, me neither.

• 30:57Speaker 00

  You wanna know what, you wanna know what I wanted to say?

• 30:59Speaker 01

  What'd you want to say?

• 31:00Speaker 00

  I want an ice pack.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 31:03Speaker 00

  So I could decide how many cubes I wanted in my drink.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Ah, okay.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what I've calculated.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  Are people ordering like ice pack?

• 31:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 31:12Speaker 00

  Well, if you don't wanna water down your drink too much.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  I get you.

• 31:15Speaker 00

  Do you drink?

• 31:16Speaker 01

  I don't drink as much as you assume.

• 31:19Speaker 00

  Oh, as I assume?

• 31:20Speaker 01

  And you don't drink.

• 31:21Speaker 00

  Do you know how this whole thing started?

• 31:23Speaker 01

  You saying, do you want a night while rubbing your belly?

• 31:27Speaker 00

  This is how it started, okay? Cody and I were kind of like describing our, our early years in our respective businesses.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 31:36Speaker 00

  Okay? And there are painful similarities of the loneliness that one endures, just hotel rooms, shitty hotel, you're by yourself. And, and then Cody overshares.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 31:48Speaker 00

  I tend to overshare. And, uh, no, no, it was beautiful. It was a beautiful, vulnerable thing. And you were like, yeah, I mean, like what I usually do, cause I was like, do you wanna come watch this UFC fight? Right?

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 31:58Speaker 00

  And, you know, all the cast was coming together, watching.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Great spot, that spot where the fight was.

• 32:01Speaker 00

  Amazing spot, uh, boy Ben Spine, you know, Volkanovsky was gonna, who's in the movie, was gonna cook for everybody. I'm like, come. And then Cody's like, yeah, dude, I'll absolutely come. I mean, usually I'm just drinking whiskey alone in my hotel room in the dark.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 32:13Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  I don't know if I put in the dark. That seems like the schol fly on a.

• 32:16Speaker 00

  I'm not, I'm not joshing that up. You're like, I drink whiskey alone in the dark and then I go to sleep.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Well, you share something with me that's vulnerable. Like I wouldn't just blast it.

• 32:23Speaker 00

  That's why I didn't feel comfortable even sharing it now until he's been a dick.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  I was just telling that it was very nice that we never really did have like.

• 32:33Speaker 00

  A proper night.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  That proper night. And I still wonder.

• 32:35Speaker 00

  But hold on.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Do you want that? Cause there's a lot, there's a lot of, there's a lot going on.

• 32:41Speaker 00

  I want it.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, alright, alright.

• 32:44Speaker 00

  I want it.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Okay, alright.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  Okay?

• 32:46Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm down.

• 32:48Speaker 00

  I get to choose the drinks.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  See.

• 32:50Speaker 00

  Shirley Temple.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Just credited.

• 32:58Speaker 00

  No, so he says that and then he's like, yeah, you know, we drink. And then you're telling me John's stories, like you and Cena.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Oh, the best.

• 33:05Speaker 00

  Getting after it.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  That's, when you say he can have a night, John would have, and he.

• 33:09Speaker 00

  That's.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  He'd have a case and then a, what we call a dirty 30 in another cooler in the back. When the case got done.

• 33:16Speaker 00

  So you polish off the case?

• 33:18Speaker 01

  So if you got three guys and you've gone through 24 and then you're looking at a dirty 30 as well, that's a night. That's people falling down the side of the road. That's, you know, like, you're picking up, I keep going back to the cars, but.

• 33:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Turning cars over.

• 33:30Speaker 00

  Turn the cars over.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  When do you have the Aperol spritz? Well, you know what? It's not in there usually.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  Really?

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not in there.

• 33:35Speaker 00

  It's an older generation.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, and maybe, again, I wasn't, I think I was more nervous the idea like, oh, man, alright, he's old school.

• 33:43Speaker 00

  See, I'm trying to bring everybody in. I'm the blue guy.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Well, I thought it was a comedy thing, like wrestling. I thought it was a comedy thing. I thought in the world of comedy, maybe that's a thing. No. Hey, you know, for example, I don't know, or I'm not friendly.

• 33:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  With many comedians, Burt is one I'm friendly with. I know Burt can have a night.

• 34:03Speaker 00

  He, yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  And has had nights.

• 34:05Speaker 00

  Many a nights.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  But yours was different and I appreciated that and respect that. We were there to work.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  To me, the night is just connecting with my friends.

• 34:14Speaker 00

  Whatever allows me to connect with my friends and learn about their future projects and just really. And just really, and just really feel.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Speaking of future projects?

• 34:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Congrats, dude.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Congrats, congrats.

• 34:29Speaker 00

  Cheers, cheers.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  How was Cody as, as an actor? This is like his first big role.

• 34:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Yo, Cody.

• 34:35Speaker 00

  On a major set. Cody crushed it. Listen, we're gonna do this like typical thing that like we always see with people in movies where it's like, you talk about the experience and like glaze the experience.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  But like, you were fucking, I think you blew people away. I remember when they were thinking of casting you.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  I remember, I remember they.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  How did you know they were like in the talks to cast him?

• 34:54Speaker 00

  Kale called me.

• 34:58Speaker 00

  What do you think about, what do you think about Guile? What do you think of Cody Rhodes for Guile? And I was like, what about Joe Hendry?

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Scottish Joe Hendry?

• 35:06Speaker 00

  Scottish.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  No, what I, I mean, what I told him was like, I think he's a fucking stud and he's like amazing. And, um, and, uh, but I'd never seen you act.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  But my feeling was like.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  And now he's taking credit for you getting the part?

• 35:21Speaker 00

  No, not at all.

• 35:23Speaker 00

  Not at all. I had nothing to do with it. Anyway, the, the decisions are already made. They just throw them over to me. I say, of course.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  They needed your sign off, basically. Yeah, yeah.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  Okay, so.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Dang, man, the power.

• 35:37Speaker 00

  Anyway.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Power, dude.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  You come in.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:40Speaker 00

  And the first scene is like, I don't know what you are expecting first scene.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 35:48Speaker 00

  Cause I don't know if like, I don't know if in your head, you're like, I gotta make sure I get these lines down and I gotta go do it. Cause that was my feeling when I first.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 35:55Speaker 00

  It's like, I need to do it.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  The lines on paper, I wanna, no one have to remind me of them, no one.

• 35:59Speaker 00

  And I'm an asshole, cause whatever is on the paper, I'm not saying.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's all. So you got around to what was on the paper.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  It always comes through.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Well prepared.

• 36:08Speaker 00

  It always comes through.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  You had ideas too.

• 36:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:11Speaker 00

  But what, what happened very quickly is you just started playing. And there's like a run where you're just kinda peppering.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  You wanna know my favorite piece of direction?

• 36:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  More pre-workout. My favorite piece of direction because I found myself sticking my jaw out a lot.

• 36:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Just very intense.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Wanted to be very intense, uh, because you, I think you were about to ask about the preparation for this. Preparation was all traditional. Let me look into the military and, you know.

• 36:41Speaker 00

  Well, that's the thing.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  From 80 to 94, let me look at all this. Let me find a realistic, why is the hair like this?

• 36:48Speaker 00

  Like literally military.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and all of that, which was helpful to have it way back here.

• 36:53Speaker 00

  Outside perspective, I thought that you knew your character. And I don't wanna compare with anybody, but I thought you knew that character. As well as I've ever seen anybody that I've acted with know their character.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 37:06Speaker 00

  To the point where you would just kinda be in set with the hair. Whenever you had the hair on, you were kinda in character.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:12Speaker 00

  Like, you, we could also like talk shit about fucking wrestling or family or whatever, but like you might just like mutter shit in character. And then it would work and then it would be in the movie. Like I, I think with you, I think your, your time in the movie doubled since you arrived.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  I did, I also think.

• 37:30Speaker 00

  Like they added scenes for him.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 37:32Speaker 00

  They popped him in other shit, like.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  I was very blessed that it, when I stayed the extra, the extra week, I was, it was a smaller role.

• 37:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  And then it, the movie was a living, breathing organism and it was growing.

• 37:44Speaker 00

  Let me brag for you. You killed it and they were like, how do we put him in more things?

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Man.

• 37:50Speaker 00

  See how easy it is to be nice to your friends?

• 37:52Speaker 01

  You did a great job.

• 37:53Speaker 00

  Do you see how easy it is to be kind?

• 37:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 37:55Speaker 00

  But if you say it's kind, it's.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Try it, oh my god.

• 37:58Speaker 00

  Isn't that, doesn't that feel nice?

• 38:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Thank you. Did they add scenes for you?

• 38:03Speaker 00

  They just cut scenes for me. Yeah. We filmed a lot.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Come on. He took some of your scenes then, if you.

• 38:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, they were very, yes, they were very generous and I think that.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Well, our characters also had a fun, we discovered that the characters have a fun relationship.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  This is why, and again, I know this is, seems like whatever, but like this is why like I gotta give a lot of credit to Kattaw and, and Kale. It's like, they saw stuff that was working and then in real time.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 00

  They were like, okay, how do we build more of these moments? What can we do that extend? Oh, this relationship dynamic is fun? Let's milk it. Let's stretch that out. Let's put it in other places. And I don't know if a lot of people are doing that. Like I genuinely like, you got millions of dollars on the line. You gotta make your day. If you don't make your day, you don't get the thing. And they're literally just going, eh, I'll try it like that then.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  What an epicurean stud.

• 38:52Speaker 00

  He's an epicurean at his core. You know what he said to me the other day?

• 38:56Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 38:56Speaker 00

  I gotta read the text. He goes, um, he goes, yeah, I'm just getting out of the bath. I go, what? He goes, I'm a bath guy.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 39:05Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. Kale wakes up at 4:30 every morning to bathe.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 39:11Speaker 00

  Literally.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Are you, Kale on the show? Has Kale been on the show?

• 39:13Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Kale, uh, I, I was getting so on.

• 39:17Speaker 00

  We're probably giving him too much heat right now. He's gonna get in trouble.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  But does he get mad if you mention him a lot?

• 39:21Speaker 00

  I don't know. I'm not sure.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Well, then I'll wrap up my Kale Kattaw.

• 39:25Speaker 00

  Go long, go long, go long, go long.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  With this.

• 39:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  I, this was such a huge opportunity for me and I was so excited to do it. And over the course of us filming, I don't think I've had that much fun in years.

• 39:37Speaker 00

  No, it was crazy.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  The amount of stuff the cast did together, the amount we got to try stuff on set. The movie being really involved too, not being held, you know, in the dark on where this is going and what, really involved. I think about Kale and Kattaw all the time in a way that I thought, maybe this is my first movie, but like I'd take a bullet for those guys.

• 39:58Speaker 00

  Bro.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Those are, like, they, they took a big gamble on me. And he said, these are small scenes, couple lines. Pass by these guys, go down the elevator and the next thing you know, it's just growing and it's becoming this thing. And I hope people love it. Cause we had such a fun time making it.

• 40:13Speaker 00

  It was.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  We had such a fun time.

• 40:15Speaker 00

  This is like the cool thing about being in Australia, is that when you're, wherever you live, you have all the responsibilities of where you, wherever you live. And when you're in a foreign country, nobody has anything to do but make the movie.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:29Speaker 00

  So like people are coming to set on days where they weren't even filming, just to hang. And like, this is also director, producers, everybody's there.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:39Speaker 00

  Doing nothing but the movie. So it's almost like, you know, when like boxers do a fight camp in the Poconos or some shit. It's like to get away from any distraction. Then they're like a hundred percent locked in. And, um, I think because of that, everybody really started to get along. And then there was this kind of fun chemistry that would come out in scenes. And, you know, to Kattaw and, and, you know, Kale and everybody, Jay, shout out Jay, well, we need, you know, unspoken hero. But like.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Unspoken hero.

• 41:03Speaker 00

  They just, they would start to like get the chemistry and they would really like feed.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it takes a lot of confidence the day of to be like switching scenes or like improving.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, like you said, the day, you gotta make that day. Kattaw is just like insane. Like, I don't think, did you ever see him get?

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Not once. I saw him walk around set one time and thought, maybe he's flustered. Cause he was walking. And I don't think I saw him one time.

• 41:30Speaker 00

  A hundred people asking things, like annoying actors like us, like, but would my character actually?

• 41:35Speaker 04

  Like, it's a video game character.

• 41:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's taking a shit in the woods. And he's like, but would my character wipe with?

• 41:42Speaker 01

  But what I really like, and it's very similar in the wrestling space, because sometimes distill down wrestling and we have to, there's all these hills you want to die on. And then you have to remind yourself, hey, sometimes you're just in your underwear, play fighting with your friends. I know, like, but what I loved, and I found this with Noah, because I was gonna ask you who you thought, you know, everyone was such an MVP on the set, but I found this with Noah when he was asking questions.

• 42:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  I was so intrigued by the process of him talking to Koji about their relationship and asking these questions. When people see the Ken Ryu dynamic, they worked on it. So they really, they really wanted to make that brotherhood a thing. And it, it got me the bug. I'm gonna give you another knee tap. It got me the bug.

• 42:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Watching him work, I thought, oh, I, I want to do this.

• 42:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was, uh, he had like, knowing Koji, Noah's, Noah's like a really good number one. Because Noah is the type of guy who like, even if he's not in the shot, like, obviously you'd have to like film things this way. And then you film things the other way. And there's certain guy, like, he's at a point in like his career and success where like, he doesn't have to be there if he's not in the coverage.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  But like, he would like be jumping and falling on a mat.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:00Speaker 00

  When the camera's not on.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:01Speaker 00

  Just to like have something to react to. And I think what happens is like, when the number one does that, everybody else starts to go, alright, I, you know, this is, this is the standard.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Kobe showing up early for practice.

• 43:15Speaker 00

  If Kobe's showing up at 5:30, everybody gotta be there at 5:30. Yeah. And I think that that's like something that's like, not really said, but I think everybody kind of understood. You know, you got, yeah, I was really impressed with him.

• 43:28Speaker 04

  What other like wrestling analogues did you find to acting? Like, what did you pull in from the wrestling career?

• 43:33Speaker 01

  The character work has to be. I think, um, probably the number one thing, and I got it with him the most, was when you're with really talented people who can improv and can riff, don't get in your head over the thing you're saying. Don't, oh, this, don't look for the A++ joke. It might be, you might have hit the C joke, the B, you're gonna find the A++ and your partner might be the one who finds it. But basically that was for me, I did not want to get behind when everyone started moving. I didn't want to be the one just still reading direct off the script when we are now talking all over the place.

• 44:10Speaker 00

  React in real time.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  So that was very helpful. And that's, I mean, that in the wrestling space is directly from not just in-ring promos, but in-ring promos with a really good live audience and in-ring promos with a rock, with a Cena, uh, with a Seth.

• 44:26Speaker 00

  That are just gonna go.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  That, if it's going another way, we're going another way. Try, don't get stuck in it.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  And being in the moment enough to react.

• 44:35Speaker 00

  Even like that little car scene that they have in like the trailer between us, like, kind of what was on the page wasn't exactly there. And I think, maybe it was Kattaw or something like that. It was like, you know, what if you, what if you get in there and you're like really concerned about Guile?

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Oh, my face.

• 44:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Who was your, uh, who was your MVP on set? Obviously there, I thought everyone was phenomenal.

• 45:00Speaker 00

  I mean, I got really close. I got, you're talking about actors or?

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Just somebody, maybe a better way to look at it, because I don't, everyone was so serious about what they wanted to do. But when I watched it, there were two that I left thinking, ooh, they, they, their performances stuck with me. Uh, I had two in mind.

• 45:17Speaker 00

  Go.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Kalina and, uh, David.

• 45:20Speaker 00

  Yo, Kalina's so good. I didn't get to work with David a lot, so seeing his stuff felt like I got to watch a movie.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, David's bison.

• 45:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, you guys know David Desmalcan, right? He's, he's just like a fucking brilliant actor. He's, yeah, he's awesome.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  And he took it a different way.

• 45:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  Who did Kalina play?

• 45:37Speaker 00

  Chun-Li.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Chun-Li, she put the size on and the thighs, that's all real story and like went for it, man.

• 45:44Speaker 00

  That's some good, that's a, let me just clarify something right now. We didn't fucking measure her thighs at the beginning of the production. There was, there was no fucking creepy Hollywood producer going, oh, you're at 19. Let's see if we can get you to 25. We just noticed that she really.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  She's the one who said it, right? She was doing the measure.

• 46:04Speaker 00

  That's all I'm saying. That was on her.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  But we, we appreciate it.

• 46:07Speaker 00

  You know how many people sent me this pic right here? They're like, is that real?

• 46:11Speaker 01

  Your little trailer was right, right around the corner.

• 46:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, we had a fun little community.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, we had a fun little, little, little park there.

• 46:17Speaker 00

  Fun little community.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  I fell back because, uh, Eric Andre took mine after I left.

• 46:22Speaker 00

  Bro, he.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  And I've never, I smoked so many cigars in that trailer.

• 46:26Speaker 00

  And nobody, nobody noticed.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  Schultz coming in, dropping, you know, Schultz bombs in there.

• 46:31Speaker 00

  What Eric did to that trailer, nobody remembers.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Got it, understood, yeah. Eric phenomenal too.

• 46:36Speaker 00

  Eric came in like a fucking hurricane. It was unbelievable.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  And that character needs it.

• 46:41Speaker 00

  It was unbelievable. And they like mapped out his voice.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Cause like, when he, when he, when he was going, he's going. And he's on 100 and he's fucking, it's wild. It's like tornado. And he's filling up this arena because he's like the announcer. So he's screaming, he's ad-libbing, he's just saying crazy shit. They're basically just going, roll. And then Eric does Eric.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:06Speaker 00

  And they basically saved his voice. So they let him go hard the first two days. And then they did where he's backgrounds the next two days or whatever, because they're like, we know he's gonna lose his voice if we just let him go. But they wanted him to go to get the, the goal.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  I almost always had to be in the background because I own, there was only one proper wig. We had multiple Guile wigs.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  Oh, but they couldn't put the.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  There was only one that was really sharp and proper. And I wanted to be there on all things. And when I put it on, to his point, I was trying to kind of be in it.

• 47:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  But there's a scene where Koji and I are about a mile away.

• 47:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  And he sat with me for about five minutes. And I, we're not even in the shot. We're barely in the back. He sat with me for about five minutes. And he's like, hey, I don't, and then the next thing you know, it was a different Koji, who was sitting next to me, but all the.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  Did you notice them?

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I definitely noticed. I definitely noticed.

• 48:01Speaker 00

  Guile enough.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Geez.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  Guile, Guile's worldly. He's a military man.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  Guy loves the US, is an American hero, sure.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  Air Force, you know?

• 48:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 00

  You know?

• 48:10Speaker 01

  Dude, Koji, you don't, dude, Koji's such a legend, bro. This guy took life Ryu, man.

• 48:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:17Speaker 01

  Like, to the point where like, he would like go to the beach and just stare at the water.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  And like, but he has a PA with him at all times. So there'd be a PA just standing behind him.

• 48:29Speaker 00

  Also staring.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Sat cross-legged staring at the water.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  This is all real, dude.

• 48:33Speaker 00

  This is 100% real.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  They'd have to find him.

• 48:35Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Like, it was like.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  He was the wanderer. I mean, he really is Ryu. I think people will respond huge to.

• 48:41Speaker 00

  I don't even think he has Instagram, like, he's, he's like a martial artist that like accidentally does acting.

• 48:47Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  Um, you, uh, you mentioned PAs and stuff. You kept talking to me about your driver. Uh, and then I come to find out your driver was the missus.

• 48:59Speaker 00

  What was a missus?

• 49:00Speaker 01

  You, was your wife.

• 49:03Speaker 00

  First of all.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  What, you describe as the driver?

• 49:05Speaker 00

  Okay, first of all.

• 49:06Speaker 04

  You kept saying, uh, my driver will pick you up.

• 49:09Speaker 00

  No, it's like actually gonna be weird because I did have a female driver. So now my wife's watching this like, I kept, you kept talking about the driver?

• 49:16Speaker 01

  Your wife drove me to Luna Park.

• 49:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. One time, we picked up Cody.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  And she drove.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, but this is where I lie.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  Is that your driver? That seems like rude things to say.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  So my wife, if you want to know what a misogynist Cody is, my wife and I.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  I just needed a ride. I saw you were driving.

• 49:32Speaker 00

  So my wife and I go pick up Cody because 50 Cent rents out the fucking action, action park or like Six Flags.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Rents out an entire theme park and ends the gift giving that was going on on set.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Cause Cody, cause Cody, okay. I do a little bar upstairs. We're gonna watch the UFC, Alexander Volkanovski cooks.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  Very cool, very nice.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  Cody, the heel that he is in his core, this, this nice guy bullshit, the heel that he is.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  It's in there.

• 49:55Speaker 00

  Rents out a yacht and like does a whole thing on a yacht.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  Oh, that's awesome. I would love to go there.

• 50:00Speaker 00

  I know, I like that movie. It was more of a ferry.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Yandé was great.

• 50:06Speaker 00

  It was a ferry. It was windy. Nobody had fun.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  It was beautiful. It was actually really nice. But, uh, now 50, 50 then comes in and he's like, alright, I gotta one up. I mean, I'm 50 Cent at the end of the day.

• 50:19Speaker 00

  So he rents out fucking Six Flags.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:22Speaker 00

  I go, hey, we're going. Do you want us to scoop you on the way? He goes, sure. My wife drives.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  And you said my driver will get you?

• 50:27Speaker 00

  No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that at all. It's funny that that's how you remember it. Because that's not how I said it in one bit at all. I said, we'll come get you, me and my wife.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Okay, my wife was driving. Cody, remember, they drive on the other side of the street in Australia.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:43Speaker 00

  So at first, when he saw my wife in the misogynistic position that he expects women to be in, it was normal, right? So, so when we pull up and the door opens, he's like, yeah, this makes total sense to my brain where I see women in the passenger seat. Then when he sees like rotation of the steering wheel.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  That's when I put it together?

• 51:01Speaker 00

  You said, you went, you went, what's going on? You said something like that. You're like, what's going on? You were like, are you injured? Like, you asked me if I was injured.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know you had an Achilles thing.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  You can't hit the brake.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I knew you were down.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  Shocked that my wife drives, my wife drives more than me. She's a better driver.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, she.

• 51:20Speaker 00

  You don't let your wife drive a car?

• 51:22Speaker 01

  She drives her car. If I'm in the car with her, I should be driving.

• 51:26Speaker 00

  But what if you're having some whiskeys?

• 51:28Speaker 01

  Were we having whiskeys?

• 51:30Speaker 00

  No, we weren't.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  And don't listen to this shit. His wife always drives.

• 51:35Speaker 00

  Just for the record, my wife does always drive. But in that circumstance, I was like, maybe I'll drink. And my wife was pregnant at the time, so she's definitely drinking.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  Wait, what?

• 51:43Speaker 00

  Not drinking.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  So she could have drove.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Also, now we have to add 50 Emmy award winning.

• 51:51Speaker 00

  We forgot.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Emmy award.

• 51:52Speaker 04

  Wow, Emmy award win.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  I think he's coming on. What do you want to talk about? I think you are too, on, on my pod. And we got to make sure we give him his, his one and any now.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 52:01Speaker 00

  It's a big deal.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  Did you know 50 before the movie?

• 52:04Speaker 01

  No.

• 52:05Speaker 00

  Did you guys have scenes together or no?

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:07Speaker 00

  Oh, the fight scene?

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:09Speaker 04

  But you grew up listening to G-Unit.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  So you now meet 50 Cent.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  50 Cent was the person, my sister, when I was giving her the cast, she was the, that was the one she was most excited about. Was being, just being around 50. And speaking of, you talk about Noah taking it so serious. 50 every morning, if people watch his bullrog performance and think, man, he's got some moves boxing wise. He was training every morning.

• 52:34Speaker 00

  But you know he used to box, right?

• 52:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I mean, just the fact that he was, you would have thought he was at the end of the month, gonna fight somebody.

• 52:41Speaker 00

  Bro, he lost like 30 pounds.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  It was, it was so incredible. He was in there every morning doing true boxing.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  On a liquid diet.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Liquid diet.

• 52:47Speaker 00

  He's like, I haven't chewed anything in two months.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Tried to give you his watch and it was, I watched, you were such a gentleman. You did not accept. I don't think I would have had the willpower.

• 52:55Speaker 04

  Right, what?

• 52:56Speaker 01

  He spilled a, a drink on Andrew and Andrew, he was like, oh, I'm so sorry.

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Dinner, everybody gets to know each other.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry, take my watch. What was on his wrist was.

• 53:07Speaker 04

  That's a big dick move right there, bro.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  And he was like, no, I'm not taking this.

• 53:12Speaker 00

  Diamond encrusted presidential.

• 53:14Speaker 04

  Iced, iced out presidential.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  It was unbelievable.

• 53:17Speaker 04

  Why did you say you felt you can pull it off?

• 53:21Speaker 00

  What? What? You see how you're like influencing everybody else around here? No.

• 53:27Speaker 04

  Why wouldn't you accept it? He gave it to you.

• 53:28Speaker 00

  That's the homie, man. I'm not gonna take his watch.

• 53:31Speaker 04

  That'd be, you know, just for, refusing a gift is kind of rude though.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. He, he really wanted you to have it.

• 53:36Speaker 00

  Right?

• 53:36Speaker 04

  That is fucking rude.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  I think, I think the, the look of the watch let you know, like, I cannot take this.

• 53:42Speaker 00

  What?

• 53:42Speaker 01

  It was so, it was so, that watch has probably, is upwards of 750,000 plus. It's probably over a million and it was just offering it to you.

• 53:51Speaker 00

  There's no way.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  It's a totally iced out presidential.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  Do you think he knew he wouldn't accept it?

• 53:56Speaker 01

  No. I think 50 was the nicest.

• 53:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  He genuinely.

• 54:01Speaker 00

  If it was a watch that didn't matter to him, like if you gave me that watch, like I would take that, like, but for that, for.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  There's also, there's also an iced out.

• 54:11Speaker 04

  Is that 50 Cent's watch?

• 54:17Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna take it, I mean.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  No, I can't, I can't, I can't. You wouldn't have taken it, come on.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  No, no, but I was, I mean, he kept pushing it. So I thought, man, the willpower on Andrew here, you know? And he had a couple of spritzes in you at that point.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  Every fucking kneecap, I want to throw this guy in a fucking headlock. It's unbelievable. This guy's unbelievable.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  I think he's great.

• 54:38Speaker 00

  They like you around the WWE, this attitude?

• 54:40Speaker 04

  Not really, actually, you know, yeah.

• 54:42Speaker 00

  That's not true. I hear everybody likes you.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  I, I think I have a, yeah, I think I have an okay reputation. I got, at this point in my career, I, I think I, and I regret this a little bit, I'm a little siloed up. I'm a little away from every, all the action.

• 54:57Speaker 00

  Allows you to be liked by other people.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  Maybe, but like the current kind of locker room, I'm always on the bus. I typically wait a long time before I go in. Uh, yeah, so I, I feel a little siloed up. I shouldn't be, but I'm a little.

• 55:11Speaker 00

  Are you?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  No, not like that. Just like, I'm not late or anything, but if I'm not needed, I don't want to be.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  A diva?

• 55:17Speaker 01

  I don't know. No, I don't think so, but maybe, but maybe, as I've, I've been doing it a long time.

• 55:22Speaker 00

  Been doing it a long time.

• 55:24Speaker 04

  Are the other wrestlers jealous? You're like a big famous movie star with movies coming up?

• 55:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, another, another movie.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  New projects that are on the.

• 55:29Speaker 00

  New project. Yeah, what is the locker room saying?

• 55:31Speaker 01

  I think the locker room is actually very excited about Street Fighter. And I hope we get at the premiere, uh, some of the, some of the boys.

• 55:38Speaker 00

  We got it.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Out to see it because also too, it's an opportunity. This movie, Kattal, Kale, once again, getting a shout out here. They didn't just cast one wrestler. There are three wrestlers in this movie. And I don't know if you know.

• 55:49Speaker 00

  Goto.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  I don't know if you know Goto. He did the headbutt in New Japan the other day.

• 55:54Speaker 00

  Really?

• 55:54Speaker 01

  He did, he, he made an attempt.

• 55:56Speaker 00

  So the guy who plays E Honda.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:58Speaker 00

  You know E Honda from the game, the sumo wrestler character? Is like a iconic wrestler in Japan that like, these guys knew and like partied with when they would go wrestle in Japan.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Like we had nights. No, we never had any nights.

• 56:12Speaker 00

  You did tell me you had a night. There was like a fixer that you have when you're over there.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  Not a fixer, a sponsor. When you go to Japan.

• 56:17Speaker 00

  Sorry, sponsor.

• 56:18Speaker 01

  The Geijens, the American wrestlers will have a sponsor.

• 56:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  And they'll take you out and sometimes they're.

• 56:23Speaker 00

  You said something about a jacket?

• 56:24Speaker 01

  The Ribera jacket.

• 56:25Speaker 00

  The Ribera jacket.

• 56:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's a whole nother, if you go.

• 56:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  I mean, you've, you've rubbed shoulders now with this man right here. They need to give you a Ribera jacket.

• 56:33Speaker 00

  But what is a Ribera jacket?

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Ribera is a steakhouse in Japan. I think there's two locations, correct? You know, that when you go, they have built the steakhouse around wrestling. There's wrestlers all on the outside and there's wrestlers, there's a picture on every surface of, there it is, of this building. And it's, it's from way back. It's also mixed martial arts. I mean, Ribera, when you go in though, as a wrestler, if you're, there's Cena right there. You get a jacket and you take a picture in front of that Ribera logo. And these jackets date back, guys were wearing these almost as merch in the eighties. They were wearing, if you had a Ribera jacket on, you were somebody. It was like a Letterman jacket. You were a thing. Um, and there's Taker, uh, right there.

• 57:18Speaker 00

  Oh, wow. What about Andre?

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Andre definitely had been in Ribera. Here's a fun little fact about Ribera, and I hope they don't mind me throwing this out. When they know you're coming, they might move your picture. So.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  To make it closer to the. Smart.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  I came and I know my picture is usually, uh, on the ceiling next to my brother and my dad. My dad has like 10 different pictures in there throughout his career. I've got one or two, but the last time I came, it was right above the bar, dead center. And I thought, I love these guys. And I love, I love this culture.

• 57:49Speaker 00

  That's beautiful.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  And they, they, the jackets, they don't say it. They just ask you your size and then they come out and they're really crazy colors. You know, Cena in the silver, the blue. I've got a burgundy and I've got a, I have a red. And I always want the gold. Mike Kyoto, famous WWE official, when he, he had a gold, gold's great. Um, Ribera's a great spot. Also wrestling fans flock towards it when they come to Japan, but.

• 58:15Speaker 00

  Who's Goto?

• 58:16Speaker 01

  Goto wrestles for New Japan Pro Wrestling.

• 58:18Speaker 00

  No, I know, but like, who is he to them?

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Oh, he's one of, Goto's been one of their top stars for quite some time.

• 58:24Speaker 00

  Is there a corollary you could make to an American?

• 58:27Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so, actually. Yeah.

• 58:29Speaker 00

  In terms of like the relationship he has with the audience and like what he means to them. Is he an Undertaker-esque figure? Is he a Cena?

• 58:38Speaker 01

  No, and I feel like hardcore fans will get, probably not like my, but there's, there's two guys over there. I actually never wrestled directly one-on-one with Goto. I would have liked to wrestle him and another guy named Ishii. But one thing they do if.

• 58:53Speaker 00

  But you wrestle Ishis all the time in America.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  Okay, anyways.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Japan, Japan wrestling is treated very sport, sport heavy.

• 59:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Very sport heavy, sport first. They definitely have sports entertainment and they'd understand that, but it's very sport first. Uh, it's such a, it's a, it's a great place to wrestle. I was very thankful. That's Roxanne. She's one of, uh, the, you know, brightest and youngest in WWE at the moment. She's got her jacket. When you go, you gotta get your jacket, man.

• 59:20Speaker 04

  I mean, hell yeah, that'd be fire.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  If they don't give you the jacket, it's not good.

• 59:25Speaker 00

  It's a real.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  It's a, yeah, if they don't give you the jacket.

• 59:27Speaker 00

  Not getting invited to the couch with Carson, right?

• 59:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you don't get the jacket, it's, uh.

• 59:32Speaker 04

  They gotta get your picture up there, standing on the top rope.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Is that Goto on the outside right there?

• 59:37Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Who's this? This is just the greatest moments.

• 59:40Speaker 00

  Oh, that's amazing.

• 59:41Speaker 04

  Last sombra?

• 59:42Speaker 00

  This kind of feels like, uh, Mexican, uh, luchador.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's Goto, yeah. Also, young Goto.

• 59:49Speaker 00

  But is this a Hiroki Goto?

• 59:52Speaker 04

  Oh, this is Hiroki, my bad.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  So did he have to put on weight to play E Honda?

• 59:56Speaker 00

  How did, how, you were there the day.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  I was there.

• 59:58Speaker 00

  Phenomenal, right? And really, yeah, game, like Kattal again, going for.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Game specific.

• 1:00:04Speaker 00

  Game specific, yeah. Um, and there's been like clips of it from the, uh, from the trailer that you're seeing, but like Ryu and E Honda's fight scene is fucking, is crazy.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  But did he have to put on weight or he was already big?

• 1:00:15Speaker 00

  I mean, he's bigger than he is there. And then they also have to use like camera tricks to juxtapose size. Cause the E Honda is like a mythical figure in terms of his like size and stature. So they'll use camera tricks and then they maybe, maybe they put on a suit. I didn't see him in the suit. I just saw him in like a shirt.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Uh, he, uh, I'm, I'm hoping he's at the premiere. I, I feel like I gotta get the picture with him. I haven't seen that guy.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  You know who we haven't talked about?

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  Who?

• 1:00:38Speaker 00

  Our boy.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Go.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  Viget, bro.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Ha, yeah.

• 1:00:42Speaker 04

  How could he not?

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  The goat.

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  True monk.

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  True monk.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Praying for us at that content event where the trailer was about to.

• 1:00:50Speaker 00

  It's amazing.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Wasn't it?

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  But he was just a fascinating guy.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Gosh, he's, he's something. Look at that hair.

• 1:00:56Speaker 00

  Like, first of all, one of the most handsome guys ever. His body's absolutely shredded. Like you even lean right now, probably look like a dumpy, fat piece of shit compared to him. But, uh, but, uh.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  But like, just, like, we would just grab dinner or whatever and like, just chat with him. What a fascinating fucking guy, man.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  Where did you guys?

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  This is Jackie Chan.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  Where did you guys get into it? Was, was proteins a myth? Where did you guys get into?

• 1:01:22Speaker 00

  Oh, it was a new thing every day.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you were always asking bodies.

• 1:01:25Speaker 00

  How do you maintain this muscles in your, you know, you have like, uh.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Speaker 00

  He's like a vegan kind of, you know, no meat diet or whatever. He's, and, um, he's like, yeah, protein's a myth. And I was like, sorry, say that again.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  I think everyone left, the first time we met him, everyone left telling someone. I left and I, I called Brandy and I said, I think I've met the most handsome man that's ever been seen.

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  And I even, you said to him, when he came on for a little talky talky on the weekend, which was nice that we did those, and then we'd shoot during the week. But you even said, oh, you're just dressed like this. This is your costume?

• 1:01:57Speaker 00

  When I first met him. This is embarrassing. Somebody else will tell this story in an even worse way. But when I first met him, he's like a fashion-y guy.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:08Speaker 00

  So he's wearing like clogs with like a bone at the, holding your foot in it like a whole thing. And I was like, oh, this is how they're doing Dulcim. They're doing like a fashion forward. That's not even close to how fashion-y he gets.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:24Speaker 00

  I was like, this is how they're doing. I was like, oh, you're in costume. At this point, I don't even know if he speaks English. To be completely honest. And he's a quiet guy until you open him up. So like,

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:33Speaker 00

  Like, look at, like, look at those shoes have like, uh, like the Aladdin tips, right? Like, so he just does anything. He's wearing a skirt like he, anyway. The reason I thought it was Dulcim is he had a necklace with skulls on it.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  Didn't he give you that necklace?

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  He did. He gave me that and he wrote a handwritten scroll and left it on my bus on my last day.

• 1:02:53Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  And he gave, uh, two different shawls for, cause my daughter was born while we were filming.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Um, to, to me, just the kindest, nicest. And he is an actual, I'd say that it sounded like a joke, but he's a monk, correct? A practicing?

• 1:03:08Speaker 00

  The oldest form of martial art, according to him, Kaladi Payat.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:12Speaker 00

  Starts in India. And he's like, 10 generations of his family has been practicing martial art. He's also like the Jackie Chan of India.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  I admire.

• 1:03:22Speaker 00

  If you look up his stunt work, it's fucking unbelievable.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  I admired your approach to having conversations about India with him.

• 1:03:28Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Because I, as I've seen on, on the show.

• 1:03:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  You like to get into it.

• 1:03:33Speaker 00

  Oh, hell.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  You like to get into it.

• 1:03:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  Here you are talking to the expert.

• 1:03:37Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  And, and Schultz just wasn't relenting and his, his, your take on going to India, performing in India.

• 1:03:44Speaker 00

  He kept, he's like, you have to come.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:03:46Speaker 00

  Show. Come to us. You must come. We gotta do a little, uh, are you guys doing anything out there?

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Uh, we always plan it. The last time they did something, uh, they only did a live event. Uh, I think this was two years ago. And it's, Cena and Seth were in a tag match together. And I know both of them said it's one of the loudest crowds ever. That they'd ever been in front of in terms of energy. So going there would be amazing. His, his fighting style contrasted so nice with Orville. Orville, Orville, they, what a pair.

• 1:04:18Speaker 00

  So Orville Pack is a brilliantly talented musician. Nobody knows who he looks like because his whole career has had a mask on.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Speaker 00

  K-Fabe. K-Fabe. It is really K-Fabe.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Yes. I, I, I have a picture the night my daughter was born with you and him. And I never put the picture out.

• 1:04:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Cause he doesn't have his mask on.

• 1:04:36Speaker 00

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  I couldn't do it. I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't break K-Fabe.

• 1:04:39Speaker 00

  That's right. So, but like, what I've always thought was cool about this is like, most people in this business get into it so that, I don't say most, but a lot of people, they, they want to be famous. They want to be known. They want the love. And like, he is intentionally not allowed himself, despite his immense success, to be known for what he looks like. At any point in time, you could take the mask off and then when you walk down the street, you're absolutely mobbed. I'm sure they kind of clock him from tattoos and stuff now, but like,

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Also classic like Rey Mysterio where he's very handsome under the, like, he's not, he's not hiding anything.

• 1:05:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  I mean, you're, you're, you're denying the world and,

• 1:05:16Speaker 00

  Guile and him have some fun shit.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Vega, right?

• 1:05:18Speaker 00

  He is Vega. Who's also masked.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  He is Vega.

• 1:05:21Speaker 00

  They fucking knocked it out.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. A big casting on this was when, whenever I've seen any people questioning some of the casting choices, I'm thinking, man, if you had been on that set and seen how these fighting styles match up directly with the game itself and the more in the, you know, the 16 bit, 32 bit of fighting and how, oh, man.

• 1:05:38Speaker 00

  For everybody.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  Then they,

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  A masked country musician.

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  Then you.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  What happened with me?

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  You're like, everybody has like some type of fighting background or something and then Schultz. I might be the only person with a real fight on my record.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, that's a good point.

• 1:05:53Speaker 00

  No, I mean, I knew.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  You're an athlete.

• 1:05:55Speaker 00

  All right. I'll take, I'll count that.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  That was a good point.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  I'm trying to think. No, Koji probably got a fight or two.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  He does. And you have, you had, I knew, cause I did my research on you. You had the paddle. You know, you were doing paddle. So athleticism for that character was, was there.

• 1:06:10Speaker 00

  Hey, hey, Triple H, he wants to be a heel. What he's trying to do right now is come out of the closet or as a heel, okay? Just let him be who he truly is. It will be the greatest heel in the history of the sport.

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  You did, you did how you were, you were, were right there, shoulder to shoulder with all the athletes on set, doing athletic stuff.

• 1:06:28Speaker 00

  Are you an athlete?

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Has, do you, I don't know. I've been an athlete my whole life, but I do think you hit a certain point.

• 1:06:35Speaker 00

  One an athlete?

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  God is like, dang, man. What do, what do you think? What makes one an athlete?

• 1:06:40Speaker 00

  Like, if you could do three crossroads in a row?

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  I think an athlete. Thank you. I think athlete wise, maybe the simplest way to check the box is did you play sports growing up?

• 1:06:53Speaker 00

  Oh, that's what you mean by an athlete?

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  And did you carry on after a certain point?

• 1:06:57Speaker 00

  Professional though. You're a professional, but do you look at it as art? Do you look at it as theater?

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  Played sports growing.

• 1:07:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, everybody has to play sports. What I'm saying is, do you see yourself as art, theater? Like, is, is somebody who does ballet, for example, an athlete?

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:12Speaker 00

  I think they are.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  So there's a joke in wrestling that's now we don't say anymore because it's inaccurate. But the joke used to be if you had a black eye or, uh, hurt Achilles or something, you're hurt.

• 1:07:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  And one of the old timers would be like, hey, it ain't ballet, kid. And then you come to find out.

• 1:07:28Speaker 00

  Ballet is the toughest shit.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Is brutal.

• 1:07:30Speaker 00

  It's the toughest shit. Your body destroyed by the time you're 25.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  So we stopped using that way of looking at it, but no, I,

• 1:07:37Speaker 04

  Now you say like you're a paddle player? Is that what you say?

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

  I'm looking at you because you fucking started this. What, what you did is you planted a seed.

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  I didn't start it. You talked about paddle every day.

• 1:07:48Speaker 00

  Buddy.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Every day.

• 1:07:49Speaker 00

  Don't you fucking, that, that name one more time. Koji Swag Guy.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  I swear.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  I talk about paddle every day.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  A good buddy.

• 1:07:58Speaker 04

  Oh, man. How did you get cast? Like, did you have to audition? Did your agent just call you and say like, hey, you want to be in Street Fighter?

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  No, Schultz got in the pot.

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  Schultz was on some strings. There was a person on set who gave me the thumbs up. Um, I went to, it's very fun. I went to a, uh, meeting at Legendary and Kattaw was already in Australia and Kale was there and Jay was there and Mary.

• 1:08:19Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  Came in.

• 1:08:20Speaker 00

  You met the big boss.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  I met the big boss.

• 1:08:22Speaker 00

  The big boss.

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  They said, we're gonna wait for her. And I'm not joking. When she like opened the door, like Pavarotti was playing behind her, just aura. And you could feel that.

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  For the uninitiated, who's Mary?

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  She's the head of Legendary. She also got a crazy story. Like, she's the reason, she's the reason that, um, what's that Leo movie, The Revenant? She, she, she might be the reason why that movie got finished.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Well, she,

• 1:08:50Speaker 00

  I don't want to put too much out, but she was brought in.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  Wonderful.

• 1:08:54Speaker 00

  She's a, yeah. No, she's, she's the real fucking deal, man.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  And she, she, um, she, she was real firm about it. And I didn't know, I was there, this is gonna sound crazy. I was there for a general meeting.

• 1:09:06Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  General meeting.

• 1:09:07Speaker 00

  Bullshit.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  They knew. They knew.

• 1:09:09Speaker 04

  But you were like, yeah, maybe we could work together in the next 10 years.

• 1:09:12Speaker 00

  Bring you in like, hey, we're gonna catch you for this movie.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  I was there for a general meeting, I thought. And I was very excited because they had Legendary's making everything, right? So I'm just excited to be there.

• 1:09:20Speaker 00

  Legendary's Dune, Minecraft. They did Digger, the Tom Cruise movie that will be coming out again.

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  And general meetings are like super base level. Like, hey, let's get to know each other.

• 1:09:30Speaker 00

  You don't even know who's gonna show up. But let me tell you something. Mary's not showing up for a general. Unless she thinks you're getting cast in this movie.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  She just, she, she told me and then Kale took over. She said, we really like you for Guile. And that's one of the first things that was said. So I'm, you know, oh, man, I, I grew up playing this game. Uh, lo, love this. And oh, oh my gosh, I'm already kind of in my head on this. We really love you for Guile. But it was nice. She was really direct in terms of, we know WWE, that's what you do. I was WWE champion at the time. I think I was WWE champion. She said, um, just make sure these dates work. We can't mess with the dates at all. These guys need you for X amount. And boom, left. So, and the next thing you know, we were talking as I was already Guile. So I, I feel like I was in that meeting and I'll never forget it. I even asked the room to, hey, give me just a second here.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Cause I needed a second. Um, but after I left, it was one of those, you know, just classic pursuit of, you know, happiness, like just, just a moment of, oh my gosh, this is incredible. And I hope he doesn't mind sharing, but he very, uh, maybe the most famous wrestler ever in the, the history of our game. I don't want to drop his name because they always get clicked out when I drop his name. He called me and just said, good meeting, huh? So he knew.

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  And I felt like I was the only one who didn't know.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  This is a legendary wrestler that also acted in some capacity?

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, we could probably, you know, get there real quick. Yeah. But it, it blew my mind.

• 1:10:56Speaker 00

  Who are you thinking?

• 1:10:59Speaker 00

  If you had to think, who are you thinking?

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  It might be Goto, might be,

• 1:11:02Speaker 00

  It might have been Goto.

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  He would know.

• 1:11:05Speaker 00

  Goto would have been a great call.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Koji-san.

• 1:11:07Speaker 00

  A great call. I would have loved, uh,

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  You are Guiler.

• 1:11:13Speaker 00

  I don't know. I don't know how you're, yeah, 118 honchu though.

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  I am waiting. I can make that joke. I mean, honchu is technically, you know, Hong Kong, but whatever it is, what it is.

• 1:11:21Speaker 04

  I assume it's, it's The Rock, but I know you can't talk about it, you know? But that's who I would assume. He's one of the most famous wrestlers of all time and actor.

• 1:11:28Speaker 00

  Oh, shit, The Rock.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  It was great.

• 1:11:30Speaker 00

  Could be the fucking rock.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  It was a great moment and,

• 1:11:33Speaker 00

  Did he call you again recently by any chance for any other news? Did you get another call from him?

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Hey, I, I did want to, I did want to bring this up because I, I think it's fresh news. And we, we beat around it, but congratulations to you, buddy. Miami Vice, man.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  Oh, no. Oh, no.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  I appreciate you. I really appreciate you.

• 1:11:54Speaker 00

  Oh, that knee feels good.

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  No, I don't want to be negative. I don't want to be negative. But your first time on a movie set, what is the worst part of making a movie?

• 1:12:02Speaker 00

  Worst part?

• 1:12:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  I mean, it's probably stereotypical to some of the stuff you hear, but lot, there is a lot of waiting around.

• 1:12:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  And uh, yeah.

• 1:12:13Speaker 00

  Full makeup, full hair.

• 1:12:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's a heavy wig.

• 1:12:16Speaker 00

  Spray painted every day because you got the tattoos.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:20Speaker 00

  And then just sitting around.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of waiting around. Um, and um.

• 1:12:24Speaker 00

  Did they cover up this tat?

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:26Speaker 00

  I feel like it would fit, you know?

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  They could, they.

• 1:12:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that would.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  They covered it up and then Guile has two tats and I don't know if anyone spotted the, you know, the US, the Stars of Stripes. So it was on the one, the one bicep, but on the other one, take a look in the trailer. It's, it's a little deeper. Uh, you know, it's, it's nice, especially around that time period and the uh, prototypical stealth planes we were making and things of that nature. But I liked it, a little, little tattoo.

• 1:12:49Mark Gagnon?

  When'd you get that tat, by the way?

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  Um, it's been a minute. Gosh.

• 1:12:55Mark Gagnon?

  Like before wrestling?

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  No, I got it mid wrestling and it was.

• 1:12:58Speaker 00

  Which one? Neck?

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  The neck.

• 1:13:00Speaker 00

  Why am I hearing recently you're like regret getting this tattoo?

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  I tell people.

• 1:13:04Mark Gagnon?

  Cause he's not a rapper.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  I tell people.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  Bro.

• 1:13:08Speaker 00

  I have a take on this, so I'm curious your, your.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  No, no, it's a, give me your take.

• 1:13:12Speaker 00

  You go first.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  No, no, it's your house, man.

• 1:13:14Speaker 00

  No, but you're the guest.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  Thank you. My, I tell people.

• 1:13:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  I like the art and the logo has been incredibly prolific for me because it became a brand in the wrestling space for me. It's, it's everywhere. People get the tattoos now, then people get derivative versions of the tattoo, their own form of the skull, all this great stuff, but the size of the tattoo.

• 1:13:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  Was always jarring to me. I still can't make it out there. What's on the arm? Yeah.

• 1:13:39Speaker 00

  I don't know if it's this one. Is it?

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  It's that arm. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:42Mark Gagnon?

  It's that arm.

• 1:13:42Speaker 00

  Oh, that's the arm.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  That's what it was. When I got it and saw it in the mirror, I knew, oh my gosh, it's almost technically a face tat. Because it was in my jaw, you know, it was, it was, it was up there. So the size, we even sell temporary tattoos at WWE and they're little and kids just put them right on their neck. They're little.

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  So here, here's.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  More of what I was thinking it would be.

• 1:14:03Speaker 00

  Here's my take.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  Probably should have known.

• 1:14:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, so you're gonna upset a lot of.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  Love the art.

• 1:14:06Mark Gagnon?

  And I'm upset a lot of parents.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  I'm about to change, not change the logo because we can't change the tattoo, but for the first time ever, the, um, the way the American Nightmare, exactly this logo, which is on everything we do, I'm gonna, it's gonna be a wolf skull. Let's turn with the wings out to the side because I just lost my husky Pharaoh after almost 16 years. And I thought, I'm gonna give him a, I'm gonna give him a little, a, a run and let's see that logo and just turn it. Side profile, husky wolf, dire wolf type looking thing. See what they come up with, but it should be pretty cool.

• 1:14:38Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:14:41Speaker 00

  That's sad.

• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, did I bring it down?

• 1:14:43Speaker 00

  No, you didn't bring it down. We have to, we have to be real, obviously. What I like about the tattoo.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:14:51Speaker 00

  It made you pot committed. So I remember the first time seeing you, even if I saw you like in a suit or hosting some game show or some shit, this is before I knew who you were. You were like hosting some game show.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  A big show with Burt.

• 1:15:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. And it was like, I saw the neck tat and I was like, oh, he's not using this as a stepping stone to something else.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:13Speaker 00

  He fucking is this.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:15:15Speaker 00

  And I didn't know anything. I mean, I'm, remember I'm the casual wrestler. If I know anything about wrestling, I've asked you. Sam Roberts, Santi or Sancho or Chris Van Vliet.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Ah, CBB.

• 1:15:27Speaker 00

  These are the people, if I know, if anything I say in wrestling has come from one of those four sources. But I remember just seeing you and be like, oh, he's not like pretty boy, like bleached blonde hair, trying to do something else. Like he has committed himself to wrestling.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  So I actually think that the size works.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  Hmm. Hey, it's, it's been great for me in the wrestling space.

• 1:15:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  For sure it is, but I, I just, the size was always the part that was a bit jarring, but to you, to your point, I've done this since I was 15.

• 1:15:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  And I think at, after 30, there are plenty of wrestlers, and you mentioned this, some people just want to be famous. Some people want the love. Not knocking any of that.

• 1:16:05Speaker 00

  Nobody using it for a stepping stone would get a, that big a tattoo on their neck.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  I, I wanted it to be something that was synonymous and something that was shared amongst, I, I was in this space where I didn't really want to wear anyone else's brand. I wanted to try and become my own and, you know, ambition in certain circles is heavily encouraged. And then in other places in wrestling, you know, they don't, they don't want you to.

• 1:16:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  Uh, but I always was a go big, you know, uh, shoot for the moon and then we, we went big and I changed. I don't know if I've told you this, but uh, Rock famous for the Brahma bowl on his arm and now it's all like covered with the, the Brahma bowl. And Conor McGregor at the time, who was doing so well box office for UFC, had the big lion on his chest. So I felt it was either going to be spine or, or neck. And I, I, I went neck just to try and compete in that box office type space. And it was, I did it the day before I wrestled. So people couldn't fathom that it was even real. One day I had it, the next day you're a full match and there's this giant, you know, it's, you know.

• 1:17:08Speaker 00

  I'm pot committed. That's what I saw.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  How could you not be?

• 1:17:10Speaker 00

  Before I ever saw you wrestle, I think I saw it.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  Right. Pro wrestling and sports entertainment is such a great business and you're saying pot committed?

• 1:17:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  Pocket, like, how could you, like, right now ESPN, Netflix, we don't, we only want committed.

• 1:17:26Speaker 00

  But this is before that. You're doing this before these huge deals are made. Let's be honest.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I, I, I had always thought, in my mind, I'd always hoped and thought wrestling was, was heading for the greatest. It goes in ups and downs. You know, the late nineties is culturally, pop culture so relevant with the Attitude Era. But the Attitude Era does not necessarily last so long. It's super, super hot versus it goes like this, goes like this. And lately, and we even talked about that time with Sammy and the Bloodline, everything that they were doing, it's, it went up and it stayed. It stayed. When we heard these earnings reports from TKO recently, and there we are, like the lead dog, I'm not trying to, you know, pat us on the back. It's, it's really permeating everywhere, especially with young audiences. So, which is great.

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• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:21:26Speaker 00

  Um, obviously we have no clue what's going to happen this season. Football's very.

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  You do.

• 1:21:32Mark Gagnon?

  Come on.

• 1:21:33Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 1:21:34Mark Gagnon?

  It's New York all day.

• 1:21:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:35Mark Gagnon?

  Giants. We just lost our quarterback.

• 1:21:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:38Mark Gagnon?

  I believe in the backup.

• 1:21:39Speaker 00

  You believe in Jameis?

• 1:21:40Mark Gagnon?

  If that's his name, I believe in him.

• 1:21:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  What are the Giants at on Cali right now?

• 1:21:47Mark Gagnon?

  I think.

• 1:21:47Speaker 00

  There's not even a bet available for them to win the Super Bowl. Shit.

• 1:21:51Mark Gagnon?

  Let's go. That's, that's the place we love to be in.

• 1:21:53Speaker 00

  Hold on. There's not even a trade available for them to win the Super Bowl.

• 1:21:58Mark Gagnon?

  That's the place we love to be in.

• 1:21:59Speaker 00

  So you, you want to be in this position, most upside.

• 1:22:03Mark Gagnon?

  Did they ever think the Knicks would win a championship?

• 1:22:06Speaker 00

  We did.

• 1:22:07Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly.

• 1:22:07Speaker 00

  We believed.

• 1:22:08Mark Gagnon?

  Giants.

• 1:22:09Speaker 00

  So you going Giants over Jets?

• 1:22:11Mark Gagnon?

  I'm long on Giants.

• 1:22:14Speaker 00

  And they're like, literally, you can't even trade on them right now. Is that what I'm seeing?

• 1:22:18Speaker 05

  No, you can't.

• 1:22:19Speaker 00

  You can, but nobody's even accepting it?

• 1:22:21Speaker 05

  No, you can.

• 1:22:22Speaker 00

  Why is it negative 1%? Oh, they don't share negative percentages?

• 1:22:25Speaker 05

  It's less than 1%.

• 1:22:27Speaker 00

  Wow, okay.

• 1:22:29Mark Gagnon?

  So that's the most upside.

• 1:22:31Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:22:32Mark Gagnon?

  The most upside. We got this.

• 1:22:34Speaker 00

  All right, so let's do it.

• 1:22:35Mark Gagnon?

  Do you believe?

• 1:22:36Speaker 00

  I, listen, I, you know, I'm undefeated on couchy, so I'm not gonna put my money where my mouth is right now on the Giants, but I like that world. I like that world where Jameis carries them and then maybe Jackson comes back end of the regular season.

• 1:22:50Mark Gagnon?

  And if it's not Giants, is Buffalo still New York? We'll take it.

• 1:22:53Speaker 00

  Where's Buffalo at?

• 1:22:55Speaker 05

  They're favored at 13.

• 1:22:56Speaker 00

  All right, so New York.

• 1:22:57Mark Gagnon?

  New York.

• 1:22:58Speaker 00

  New York.

• 1:22:58Mark Gagnon?

  New York.

• 1:22:59Speaker 00

  New York.

• 1:23:00Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:23:01Speaker 00

  Let's get back to the show.

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  What did you do in the downtime? Were you playing video games?

• 1:23:04Mark Gagnon?

  So we did. He fucking smoked cigars, played video games.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  On the, uh, the little trailer park we had, I thought more people would come by and play with me, but I, I had the classic collection, cause you gotta, to get all the characters in the movie, I needed the full classic collection, which, you know, not just two, not just Turbo, not just World Warriors, you need Alpha, if you're gonna get Dan, his character, you need Alpha. And then you skip to Six, which just came out, and we had the director of Six on the set, the shepherd of the franchise right now.

• 1:23:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was fire.

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  And he came and played with me.

• 1:23:34Speaker 00

  Did you play him?

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:23:35Speaker 00

  Did you beat him?

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:23:36Speaker 00

  I beat him.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  No, you did not.

• 1:23:38Speaker 00

  I did beat him. I have it on video.

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  On the, on the cabinet or in modern Six?

• 1:23:43Speaker 00

  Where it's supposed to be played.

• 1:23:44Speaker 01

  On the cabinet?

• 1:23:45Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Okay, backstage, like.

• 1:23:46Speaker 00

  With Dan.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  As Dan.

• 1:23:48Speaker 00

  And he was playing super like, cause he thought he was gonna work me, cause I'm Dan.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:52Speaker 00

  I lured him into my trap.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  And you did it. Honey pot.

• 1:23:56Speaker 00

  Honey pot in him.

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:23:57Speaker 00

  And I got a lot of honey in here.

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  Okay, so. When he played me, he was not kind.

• 1:24:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, but he probably just finished, you know.

• 1:24:05Speaker 01

  He shredded me.

• 1:24:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Almost just barely got anything in. Definitely, I, all I was trying to do was get, they were shooting some BTS tunes, I was trying to get a Sonic Boom in.

• 1:24:15Speaker 04

  Did you play as Guile?

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:24:17Speaker 04

  That's a good character.

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  As a kid, I played as Ryu a lot, cause he's the most neutral character. Canon Ryu, you get to learn, but as I got older, I loved Guile. I very much.

• 1:24:24Speaker 00

  Did you see what he just did?

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:24:26Speaker 00

  The way that he insults through kindness is unbelievable.

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  I didn't catch that.

• 1:24:31Speaker 00

  I played with Ryu, cause he's the most like neutral character.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  He's.

• 1:24:34Speaker 00

  And then, and then he elevates his character.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Guile is a character that's pick up and play.

• 1:24:39Speaker 00

  You don't even realize you're doing it. Heal.

• 1:24:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:24:43Speaker 04

  But I mean, would you play as Dan? Like, the Dan character is really hard to play with.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Dan character is very hard to play with, and notoriously, the gaming community, as Dan is the joke character.

• 1:24:52Speaker 04

  Right. It says on Wikipedia, his stance is a weak character, and it's emphasized in Turbo, where Dan's a hidden character that's extremely easy to beat, cause he only drops red counter gems.

• 1:25:01Speaker 00

  Okay, well.

• 1:25:02Speaker 04

  From Wikipedia. I'm just reading what we.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Obviously, you're giving us the technical specs here, and that's.

• 1:25:06Speaker 04

  Which I think is helpful for the game.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, Guile, the only thing with Guile is as you get, it's a little bit better for an older kid, I'd say, because Guile, you have to hold the buttons down, the inputs down for a second, versus Ryu, and the neutralness of it all.

• 1:25:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  You just put the combos together.

• 1:25:20Speaker 00

  Kept using that word.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  You got a Hado, you know?

• 1:25:22Speaker 00

  You kept using that word, neutral.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, neutral, the, meaning he is the first character you pick up and play, and everyone can play with him.

• 1:25:28Speaker 00

  Are you trying to say easiest?

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, maybe neutral's not, let me correct myself. Balanced.

• 1:25:32Speaker 00

  I don't want.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  The most balanced character.

• 1:25:34Speaker 00

  I don't want you to crack yourself when you're being a piece of shit.

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  I think it was a heel thing for me to say neutral, when I should've said balanced.

• 1:25:40Speaker 00

  Balanced is another, like, who wants to be balanced? Like, I'm such a balanced individual. Hey, should we hang out with Tom? He's so balanced.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  We're talking about the characters in the game. Just the game.

• 1:25:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're just talking about a video game.

• 1:25:50Speaker 00

  I'm not talking about anyone who's balanced and neutral.

• 1:25:52Speaker 04

  You're taking it so personally.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  You're taking it personal.

• 1:25:54Speaker 04

  The Dan character is like a weaker player.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  I'm glad you won in yours, though. That's great. I did not, I did not win in mine. Kudos to you. He dog walked me twice for the BTS people and everything.

• 1:26:04Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  All right, well.

• 1:26:05Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  There we go. We got that on camera. Yeah.

• 1:26:07Speaker 04

  I mean, the Guile character is like really good.

• 1:26:10Speaker 00

  Shut up.

• 1:26:10Speaker 04

  I'm saying in the game. It's like video games.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  Did you ever watch the, the animated series or the anime?

• 1:26:15Speaker 00

  Before we do that and go to the anime, can you go to?

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  Do you watch any of these guys that play, uh, Street Fighter, the, the video game? Have you watched any of the game and stuff?

• 1:26:24Speaker 00

  Can you go to Evo37? Street Fighter Evo37.

• 1:26:28Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, he's like the professional.

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  There's a major, I don't know if you know, like Maximilian and Kenny and all, there's so many guys who are very deep into this gaming community.

• 1:26:36Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Uh, framerate, they cover, they're, they're playing on a different level than just pick and play.

• 1:26:40Speaker 00

  Hey, bro, you don't gotta try to one up me with my.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:26:43Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:26:44Speaker 04

  Did I jump it?

• 1:26:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think you tried to jump it. I was just trying to throw out Evo37 with my boy Daigo.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  Well, he's like, you tried to jump it.

• 1:26:53Speaker 04

  Tell me about Evo.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  I got it. What's Evo?

• 1:26:55Speaker 00

  What a heel thing to do, right? I know more about gaming community than you do.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  I just said you know some of these guys. I think they're gonna be at the premiere.

• 1:27:02Speaker 00

  Watch this one. If you just wanna see real athletes. Okay.

• 1:27:09Speaker 00

  Oh, boy. And?

• 1:27:12Speaker 04

  This is Evo37.

• 1:27:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, don't you do it. Don't you do it. You're doing it again.

• 1:27:22Speaker 04

  Uh oh.

• 1:27:23Speaker 00

  Block, block, block, and not just block, countered each one.

• 1:27:27Speaker 01

  Listen to the pop.

• 1:27:28Speaker 00

  Count.

• 1:27:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a big one.

• 1:27:31Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:27:32Speaker 00

  So it's not just a block. I think it's a parry as well. So you're not just blocking, you're doing a move into it.

• 1:27:40Speaker 00

  That might be the greatest thing that's ever happened online for Street Fighter outside of this movie coming out.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  You're gonna see, I feel like some of these guys, and not trying to take your story here, some of the guys who've competed at Evo.

• 1:27:52Speaker 00

  You might see him in the movie.

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  You might see him in the movie as well. Yeah, you might see him in the movie.

• 1:27:56Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, in the movie?

• 1:27:56Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:27:58Speaker 01

  The effort, you know, the effort to do right by the gaming community was, was definitely there. And even in the trailer, the little scene with the trash can being thrown, is the scroll up the building and the original opened to Street Fighter. Yeah.

• 1:28:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  They went for it, man.

• 1:28:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:12Speaker 04

  Was any of the original Street Fighter gaming team there? You mentioned like the shepherd of the franchise, but like, were the game developers or anyone else involved in the creation?

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  Man, Capcom rolled deep, so yeah.

• 1:28:22Speaker 00

  They pulled up.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would say so.

• 1:28:24Speaker 00

  With translators and everything.

• 1:28:25Speaker 04

  Like, full on Japanese.

• 1:28:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:27Speaker 01

  And they were having a good time.

• 1:28:28Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. They're in. The director, the guy you played is in it.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, a little cameo.

• 1:28:33Speaker 00

  He got a little cameo with Kaito, I think.

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, Kaito's in there. A lot of spoilers on this part of the day.

• 1:28:38Speaker 00

  Sorry, sorry.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  But, I mean, it's cool with you, though, cause you produce it.

• 1:28:43Speaker 04

  Schultz, can you call the producer and see if it's okay if we do it?

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  Let's call, let's call Kale.

• 1:28:49Speaker 04

  I was hoping you were gonna call.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  We were talking about this Kale the other day. Kale is a, he's a cold face timer.

• 1:28:55Speaker 04

  Oh, you don't do that?

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  No, I.

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  Oh, the cold face timer.

• 1:28:58Speaker 00

  Are you guys kidding?

• 1:28:59Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 1:28:59Speaker 00

  How can you do that to somebody?

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  That's crazy. That's very intimate.

• 1:29:01Speaker 00

  That's the only thing I do.

• 1:29:02Speaker 04

  I'll cold face on my wife.

• 1:29:04Speaker 00

  That's the one you're, that's.

• 1:29:05Speaker 04

  That's the one, yeah.

• 1:29:06Speaker 00

  You're allowed.

• 1:29:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, cold face time. But wait, why would you not cold face time?

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  You're doing it right. I, I just think that's really aggressive.

• 1:29:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  He's gonna be in a bath right now.

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  I think he's in London right now.

• 1:29:20Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, he's there.

• 1:29:23Speaker 00

  Hey!

• 1:29:26Speaker 00

  How are you? Hey, guys, uh, is it true that we're all over double decker buses in London?

• 1:29:33Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:29:34Speaker 00

  Oh, that's so cool. Um, hey, guys, Cody's, uh, announced that he's, uh, he's become a heel on this podcast.

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  I didn't, I haven't announced anything.

• 1:29:43Speaker 00

  He's announced it.

• 1:29:44Speaker 04

  No, no news has come from the pod, other than Schultz has an Achilles injury from paddle.

• 1:29:49Speaker 00

  Okay, that's where you're going. That's where you're going. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's just announcing things left and right, this guy over here.

• 1:29:55Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:29:55Speaker 00

  Left and right, just announcing things.

• 1:29:57Speaker 04

  No, I've been nothing but balanced. Nothing but balanced.

• 1:30:04Speaker 00

  Okay, listen, we love you guys, man. Just wanted to check in.

• 1:30:07Speaker 05

  Have fun.

• 1:30:08Speaker 00

  Bye.

• 1:30:08Speaker 05

  Bye, fellas.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  Dang, man, cold face time. You just joined the club there.

• 1:30:11Speaker 00

  The cold face time is the best way to connect, because a face time feels important.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  Face time feels important, cold face time.

• 1:30:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, but if you cold face time, it's a guaranteed, oh shit, something's happening. I gotta answer this.

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  Also, if a guy picks up on a cold face time, that's, that's a real one, right?

• 1:30:27Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  If you're picking up on a cold face time for somebody, no matter what you're going through, you gotta be a real one.

• 1:30:32Speaker 00

  I had a wet dream last night.

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:30:34Speaker 00

  What is that?

• 1:30:38Speaker 04

  No, no, I didn't.

• 1:30:40Speaker 00

  Dude, that's like a cold face time.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  How? Walk me through that.

• 1:30:43Speaker 00

  Man, it was.

• 1:30:46Speaker 00

  Wait. Wait, like you're.

• 1:30:47Speaker 04

  In the dream is in someone just shows up.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  I had a weird wrestling dream last night.

• 1:30:51Speaker 00

  Wait, you had a wrestling dream?

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  I always have wrestling dreams and I had a really weird one last night.

• 1:30:56Speaker 00

  Can I guess?

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 1:30:58Speaker 00

  Liv Morgan and Rhea Ripley.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  No, it wasn't a, it wasn't that type of dream.

• 1:31:01Speaker 00

  Oh, oh, oh, got it, got it, got it.

• 1:31:04Speaker 04

  So it wasn't watching wrestling.

• 1:31:06Speaker 00

  It wasn't a, it wasn't a wet dream at all.

• 1:31:08Speaker 01

  It was a wrestling dream. Yeah, a wrestling dream.

• 1:31:11Speaker 00

  I was wrestling.

• 1:31:13Speaker 04

  They were on Meet You in Suicide.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  Yes. It was a classic, it's actually, these happen a lot. Usually you don't have your boots tied and your music's playing and some of the, you're not ready. But this one was, I was backstage talking to the guy that I was wrestling and then randomly the match before me, which was a CM Punk match of all matches. They announced cold to the audience and un, I was unaware of this, that they now had a street fight, which the wrestler dream part of me was like, oh, man. Now we gotta follow a street fight. It's a very strange wrestling dream.

• 1:31:45Speaker 00

  What does that mean, a street fight?

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  Basically it meant, oh, they're gonna have all the toys, all the bells and whistles. It was a very odd dream to have, but the fact that I still dream about wrestling scenarios and things like that where you're like, oh, now what are we doing? I woke up thinking, dang, man, they're gonna have a better match than us, which was completely not a real scenario.

• 1:32:01Speaker 00

  Is there anything, okay, what, is there anything you still want to accomplish?

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  In the wrestling space?

• 1:32:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, like what have you not done?

• 1:32:10Speaker 01

  Oh, um, I, I haven't won money in the bank and I potentially Friday could get my bid into Money in the Bank. So that's in New Orleans. Roman versus LA Knight, it's a big match as well, plus the Money in the Banks. I haven't won Money in the Bank and I think the other, only other title on the board for WWE is a United States title, uh, which I don't think will probably ever happen in my career, but those are things. I think the things that haven't been done, not to sound grand or vague or both, are things we haven't seen coming yet.

• 1:32:43Speaker 00

  All right, there's this cool thing in, in wrestling that again, total casual, Sam Roberts.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  Real cash.

• 1:32:49Speaker 00

  Santi, listen, Sam Ross, Santi and, and Sancho and Chris CVV.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  CVV. Have you had him on the pod?

• 1:32:57Speaker 00

  No, but we should talk.

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'd like him.

• 1:32:59Speaker 00

  All those guys. Um, but I've, I've seen a cool thing as a casual in wrestling where guys who are older feel responsibility to put on the next generation, even though these guys are not invested in the mother company, right? Like maybe some guys are and they go on to work for it, but like they're not necessarily like shareholders.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:33:24Speaker 00

  They're shareholders of wrestling as an idea.

• 1:33:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:29Speaker 00

  And like, obviously we've heard stories of like wrestlers who maybe didn't want to do it, but there are a lot of wrestlers who have really been generous with it.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:33:40Speaker 00

  And so I have two questions. One is like, why is that? Why is there this? It's really benevolent. It, it's like recognizing you're kind of like at the end of your run and instead of just going out in a blaze of glory.

• 1:33:56Speaker 01

  Saying I'm in the end of my run?

• 1:33:56Speaker 00

  It's so funny that your insecurity is speaking right now. Cause I wasn't gonna point at that at all.

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  Real heel tactic.

• 1:34:01Speaker 00

  I wasn't.

• 1:34:04Speaker 00

  No, no, but like I, I saw with like, again, I'm, I'm on the outside, but like Brock and, and, uh, and Oba. Like it seemed like Brock was like, so really trying to put him over. It was like beautiful. You saw with John, like it was like really trying to put guys over.

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  So what you'll probably see is it's an area where we're more like sports than we realize because for an outside person to come in and look, they would probably wonder, why do you care about what they do in match one? Why do you care if they stay to watch the dark match? Why do you care to give them a note on how to approach this personal appearance that you're? It, because like you said, nobody is, I, I don't run the company. I'm not a shareholder in the company. It's always been that way. The locker room. Has, when I said I was a little siloed up, that's the part that I miss a bit is being able to say, hey, maybe my two cents.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  Do this, my two cents, think of it this way. It's always been that way. There's no answer, but it's a lot like when you see a veteran quarterback guiding along that, that, that draft pick.

• 1:35:12Speaker 00

  Your backup that doesn't have ego about it goes, I'm gonna be, yeah.

• 1:35:15Speaker 01

  Right. It's, it's in, one of the things I learned late in wrestling is it's far more fair than you realize, even for show business. If you work the hardest and, and John was the one who taught everybody this, yeah, you're gonna be in the main spot. You're gonna be the boss's favorite. You're gonna be on all the, you know, posters and all the assets and you're gonna be the hood ornament for the company. Not just because you were picked, because you picked yourself as well and you did all the hard work. So when you find people like that, cause right now we've got a wonderful top shelf at WWE, wonderful. And I, I went on the Breakfast Club and they asked me, is it a little old? Is the way they said it. And I tried to be like, well, it's, you know, seasoned, it's experienced, but to that, the efforts have now been made to let's find who's next.

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  But it isn't, you can't do it overnight. It's wrestling takes and, and fans don't love this and I, I'm not trying to, to me, fans are never wrong, but for someone to be truly over, over, not just get a pop, not just get a reaction, for true to be over where they can't go out of their house. So somebody would be like, hey, you're such and such. Hey, and want to be them and want to touch them and want to know them. It takes time. You've gotta be in front of the audience all the time. You've gotta be hidden. You're finished. You have to be doing the things that Brock was explaining to me, that you have to, you have to do them every, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a very strange thing. And

• 1:36:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, go on.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  The only person I'd say that really I think said it in stone, there's two people that at WWE have said it in stone where that has to be, you help somebody out. Like I have a guy who I, the office thing come to me and I said, I'm gonna keep an eye on him. I'm gonna, I, I'm gonna keep an eye because I think that could be.

• 1:36:53Speaker 00

  You have that now, you're saying?

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  I have that now. I think that could be a WrestleMania opponent.

• 1:36:56Speaker 00

  Who's that?

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  I don't wanna say, cause it, if it turns out to be a WrestleMania match.

• 1:37:01Speaker 00

  Oh, this is like in real time now.

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  Now we're just, we're just breaking all the rules, but Triple H and The Undertaker, who are both in positions of creative leadership now, were really big on making the attempts and not just once, more than once, because when you're young, it's like, eh. You, you do love it. You do. You have the bug for it, but also you're, it's not, I don't know, maybe you don't live and breathe by it yet. Maybe it's like the bug gets you and then another bug gets you when you pass 30 and the next thing you know, all you think about is this and trying to get as many people there to be part of this performance. But they were very big on every match. Well, why? You could've tried this, could've tried this and not just learn from what you do. They would pull you aside and talk to you. That's still WWE and I'd love to mention him because Seth is the biggest one who does that now.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  I watch, but I watch kind of as we go. Uh, there it is. I saw something I might mention to him later. Seth sits in front of the monitor for everything. Everything, which is crazy, cause then he goes out and performs at a high level himself, which to me is, it's a lot. It's a lot of bandwidth in one day. I don't know if I have that bandwidth. And Seth is phenomenal at identifying young talent and he'll try. That's the big thing. Try once, try twice, hell, even try three times. After a while, if they're, if they're not gonna get it or if they're not interested, then you can move on. But wrestling big on, you know, especially with, when they're young. Cause look at the young right now at WWE, uh, Oba, you mentioned, Braun, Javon, Soul, Strick Williams. Like there's so much, so much.

• 1:38:34Speaker 00

  Trick.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  Youth and it's, it's, and that's gonna be the next generation and they have to grow up with the audience for a moment. It's it, Dom, you're gonna get Dom on here.

• 1:38:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, Dom is fire, bro.

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  Dom, to me, I make this joke all the time that Dom is the locker room leader. I make that joke about him and Solo Sikola all the time, but I make it because they really are, they may not be the guys marching orders and saying, hey, pick up the locker room or hey, don't do that. But Dom and Solo are in the locker room.

• 1:39:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:03Speaker 01

  They, they're feeling it. They, they, they have a kinship with everyone and they're just.

• 1:39:08Speaker 00

  Fatu?

• 1:39:09Speaker 01

  Jacob's phenomenal. Jacob's phenomenal, man. Uh, and I've known him. I did an indie show, All Pro Wrestling in NorCal and Jacob was backstage at those shows.

• 1:39:17Speaker 00

  This is back in the day.

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, and Jacob's, Jacob's had a heck of a road to get to the spot.

• 1:39:21Speaker 00

  Okay, so let me, so then.

• 1:39:22Speaker 01

  So talented.

• 1:39:22Speaker 00

  So then let me ask you this as a complete casual.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  And I, if I didn't name a bunch of young people, I apologize.

• 1:39:27Speaker 00

  I know, this is the tricky thing where it's like, why didn't you name me, blah, blah, blah. But, okay, so we're at a point where we have guys that are in like, let's say like the back half of their prime, right? Carrying WWE.

• 1:39:46Speaker 00

  CM Punk.

• 1:39:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:39:49Speaker 00

  You don't think so?

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  Well, the way you're wording it, you're doing to me, you're, you're, you're loading it.

• 1:39:54Speaker 00

  Is that bad to say that?

• 1:39:56Speaker 01

  Like, I don't know. I don't, because wrestling is-

• 1:39:58Speaker 00

  I'm saying prime, half.

• 1:40:00Speaker 01

  Let's just say they're in their prime. I don't love that back half you threw in there.

• 1:40:05Speaker 00

  I've been around you for two hours and I'm already a scumbag. That's, this is what happens when-

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  Don't do it.

• 1:40:12Speaker 04

  So, alright, alright.

• 1:40:15Speaker 00

  So, but we have guys that are in their prime.

• 1:40:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 1:40:18Speaker 00

  Okay, you're in your prime.

• 1:40:20Speaker 01

  I would say so, yeah.

• 1:40:22Speaker 00

  Definitely not the back half, but not the front half.

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  Lean all of a sudden.

• 1:40:25Speaker 00

  You're lean, so it looks like there might be other things.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  Just in the prime.

• 1:40:28Speaker 00

  Why don't we say the middle of their prime?

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Sounds great. We're in the middle of our prime.

• 1:40:31Speaker 00

  So much better. The middle right of their prime.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  Okay, I heard it all. Go ahead.

• 1:40:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, so just like a little bit more than their prime, but also in their prime.

• 1:40:38Speaker 01

  So, okay.

• 1:40:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. What do you, how do you like your steak?

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  Medium?

• 1:40:42Speaker 00

  Medium? Oh, you like a medium?

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  I'm a medium guy, yeah.

• 1:40:44Speaker 00

  You don't go medium rare?

• 1:40:45Speaker 01

  You're the first guy I ever heard order medium plus?

• 1:40:47Speaker 00

  No, it's medium rare plus.

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  Because people will order the plus. I, uh, I don't know.

• 1:40:52Speaker 00

  I don't know about plus. Well, I would say you're medium plus.

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm medium plus on the steak. Where is this going?

• 1:40:59Speaker 00

  The point that I'm trying to make is, you have all these guys that are, let's say, in their prime. You, Rollins, Roman, um, CM Punk, who else? Who are, who are like the guys that we are so familiar with, we've been familiar with for a decade, carrying this industry?

• 1:41:16Speaker 01

  Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, um, I mean, we, so Miz is, Miz is out there teaching the next generation. But you, you mentioned Roman, you mentioned Seth, Punk, uh, those are, you know, three great, it's a lot of great faces.

• 1:41:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:32Speaker 00

  Amazing people carrying the industry.

• 1:41:36Speaker 00

  At a certain point in time, in our lifetime, we're gonna see guys getting put over. Like, I remember, and again, I don't know much, but I remember like being younger, watching like a Triple H, for example. And maybe he was just so famous, young, so by the time he's in his prime.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:53Speaker 00

  Like, I remember seeing him like lose WrestleMania's.

• 1:41:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:41:58Speaker 00

  And it's like, this is one of the biggest guys in the biz, losing at WrestleMania. To me, what I see that is like an investment in the next generation. Is that a fair assessment of it?

• 1:42:07Speaker 01

  Sure, so often, I mean, you're saying putting over, and often that means laying on your back for that next person. And, you know, the, the better way is, and as you grow, and you're not really a casual guy, you know a lot of the terms. The best way I'd say is when there's a difference between doing the job, putting somebody over, and doing the honors.

• 1:42:26Speaker 00

  Ooh, what's the honors?

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  Doing the honors is just when you really are doing everything you can to say it's yours.

• 1:42:31Speaker 00

  Who's done it the best?

• 1:42:33Speaker 01

  Doing the hon-

• 1:42:34Speaker 00

  Who are the guys that have done it the best?

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  Um, doing the honors.

• 1:42:38Speaker 00

  I mean, John, obviously.

• 1:42:39Speaker 01

  I think John probably will go down because he spent an entire year doing the honors. He didn't just pick one.

• 1:42:45Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:42:45Speaker 01

  He took a bet on a few, you know, uh, he, he, he, he definitely did more than just doing the favor. It was, he, he did the honors, and that's, that's the way you want to do it, right?

• 1:42:57Speaker 00

  Okay, who else?

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  Oh, man, I mean, you mentioned Triple H, Triple H is a great example, uh, gosh, probably all your faves, The Undertaker.

• 1:43:06Speaker 00

  Taker, probably.

• 1:43:07Speaker 01

  Great, you know, like, you know, and, and sometimes there's a selfishness to it as well, because you go so long until it's time.

• 1:43:13Speaker 00

  Are there guys that, like, we've heard stories about like Hogan or whatever, other guys that didn't want to let go?

• 1:43:20Speaker 01

  I'd, I'd say 99.9% of wrestlers.

• 1:43:23Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  Perhaps don't want to let go, and it's when you have-

• 1:43:26Speaker 00

  You maintain that the Bret Hart thing was the business.

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna get into Wrestling with Shadows with you, but you know what? I'm not, I'm not.

• 1:43:33Speaker 00

  This is just, it's the only thing even off camera-

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  I'm not.

• 1:43:36Speaker 00

  That you maintain is, that is the business.

• 1:43:39Speaker 01

  I mean, there was a camera crew backstage, but, okay, anyways.

• 1:43:42Speaker 00

  No, when we were completely by ourselves, you'd be like, it was the business, man, like-

• 1:43:45Speaker 01

  Right, right, and, well, Shawn is uniquely the king of, and he's one of the reasons he was one of my favorite wrestlers growing up. Uniquely the king of saying, okay, they might think this whole show is fictional, but what I do tonight won't be. And there are two prime examples that both of these examples, and I won't say which, people are like, oh, that match fell apart. That was, they, that, they're really hot at each other. Oh, no. And both of them to me, and I'm not, he, he's the master, so I don't know. I don't know if I'm right or wrong.

• 1:44:15Speaker 00

  Saying you're falling victim to the-

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but I know both of those to me, I think, hmm. And also, I had the little bit of inkling of a nudge from my dad, too, like, I don't know.

• 1:44:26Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:44:27Speaker 01

  Seems like they used what was there. You know, now we use social media, now we use, you always use what's there. What's the thoughts, what's, what are they saying in the garden? Garden used to be the example of an arena that chattered, because they-

• 1:44:39Speaker 00

  What does that mean?

• 1:44:40Speaker 01

  They were the epicenter of WWE, WWF, WWF. So if there was something up, they would have known. The curtain call, when that happens, they knew that Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were leaving, so they responded. That's why there's a big reaction when they all hug at the end of the night. They knew, uh, Goldberg and Lesnar when they were about to leave, and there's Austin, so they treated that match as such with how they reacted. The same way you used your tools then, you use your tools now. So I just think Shawn is the greatest example of, oh, they'll, they'll think what I did is real. Screw, screw everything else. They'll think what I did is real. And to this day, there's two examples of, oh, no, but that was a shoot, brother.

• 1:45:18Speaker 01

  Or was it just, do we even need to know? Was it just magic? Was it just magic?

• 1:45:23Speaker 00

  And maybe we want to believe the magic.

• 1:45:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I just told you about Haku in that moment. Maybe I'm just the prime candidate, the prime mark to believe the magic.

• 1:45:32Speaker 00

  Have you ever explained a magic trick to someone?

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:45:36Speaker 00

  Like, whenever you show somebody how a magic trick is done.

• 1:45:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:39Speaker 00

  The greatest disappointment rests on their face.

• 1:45:41Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh, yeah, you know, yeah.

• 1:45:43Speaker 00

  And it's like, we want to believe it's magic at our core.

• 1:45:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:46Speaker 00

  We want to know the truth.

• 1:45:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:48Speaker 00

  But more than the truth, we actually want to believe it's magic, because believing in something is more exciting than kind of knowing a boring truth.

• 1:45:56Speaker 01

  Sure. I like, but here's Shawn. Shawn explains you the magic trick, and then does a different trick. That's what Shawn Michaels.

• 1:46:02Speaker 00

  Shawn Michaels.

• 1:46:03Speaker 01

  Shawn Michaels, oh, here's the magic trick. Oh, what? Something else happens. That, I think he's probably-

• 1:46:09Speaker 00

  Is he the greatest showman of it?

• 1:46:11Speaker 01

  I mean, it's so hard. I think the last time when I came on here, I didn't know you well enough, and I may have, I may have fell into the trap of answering the-

• 1:46:19Speaker 00

  The Mount Rushmore.

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  Right, but I can tell you Shawn is one of one in what he did. Hogan is one of one in what he did. There's, it's very hard to classify who was the greatest, because it's different barometers. You can get a real cut and dry, most wrestlers are gonna cut and dry who sold the most tickets. And that's, that's, that's not the answer fans want. That's the one they get mad at when Fightful clips it, or-

• 1:46:45Speaker 00

  But this is also like with comedians. It's like, there's who sells the most tickets, but then there's also like who believes it the most.

• 1:46:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:46:51Speaker 00

  And, I don't-

• 1:46:52Speaker 01

  Who's the Shawn Michaels of comedy?

• 1:46:55Speaker 00

  I mean, we asked the-

• 1:46:58Speaker 01

  What did you ask?

• 1:47:00Speaker 04

  This is a few, this is like a few months ago.

• 1:47:01Speaker 00

  This is something Mark brought up to me.

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:03Speaker 00

  And they were like, they found comedy equivalents for people.

• 1:47:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:07Speaker 00

  And they, what was it, Chat?

• 1:47:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, I talked to ChatGPT about it.

• 1:47:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, so Chat said I was, and I was super excited about that.

• 1:47:15Speaker 01

  Full stop.

• 1:47:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:16Speaker 01

  ChatGPT said you were the Shawn Michaels.

• 1:47:18Speaker 00

  They basically like, who is the comedic equivalent of-

• 1:47:20Speaker 04

  I have it here from when I pulled it up. This is, we did this in May.

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  Who are you talking to?

• 1:47:25Speaker 04

  I, I said, if every famous comedian was a wrestler, who would they be? And it's, it gave us some great ones. It said Shane Gillis is Stone Cold Steve Austin.

• 1:47:34Speaker 00

  Would you see that?

• 1:47:35Speaker 04

  I see it.

• 1:47:36Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 1:47:37Speaker 04

  Like, beloved by dudes, like, uh, wandered into fame by accident is how it seems, but secretly one of the best in the business.

• 1:47:43Speaker 00

  Amazing, phenomenal.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  Can I, can I give it, can I say something about Shane that I need to get off my chest?

• 1:47:48Speaker 04

  Please.

• 1:47:48Speaker 01

  I am a huge fan of Shane, as you know, because I was like, watching Tires. With my T-Rex glass, so excited, right? I love Shane, but when I went to do Shane's podcast, it almost feels like it's a trap.

• 1:48:01Speaker 01

  The production on that podcast for a guy who is printing money, and who is exceptional at everything.

• 1:48:08Speaker 00

  Hey, man.

• 1:48:09Speaker 01

  He had me sitting on a couch that I sunk into, and he's got the good chair, and it's wired mics.

• 1:48:15Speaker 00

  What are we doing?

• 1:48:16Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, I thought he was trapped. I thought he was-

• 1:48:19Speaker 00

  Maintain the K-Fave, bro.

• 1:48:20Speaker 01

  I'm trying to maintain, yeah. I mean, it was such an honor to be on the show, and I met his, uh, his roommate, uh, who, he made me go in his room in the middle of the day, which was an incredible experience in itself.

• 1:48:29Speaker 04

  Who, Lemare?

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  Lemare, yeah. Yeah, Lemare's my boy. Lemare's my boy.

• 1:48:35Speaker 04

  You went into his room? What do you mean?

• 1:48:36Speaker 01

  He, uh, he was like, go surprise Lemare, and I went surprising-

• 1:48:39Speaker 04

  Lemare's a massive wrestling fan, right?

• 1:48:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, Lemare was the wrestling expert that day, and he was playing his, I mean, there was a roach in the ashtray, there's clothes everywhere. Open laptop on the bed.

• 1:48:52Speaker 00

  You know, why would that be there?

• 1:48:54Speaker 01

  No, I mean, you know, it's like, you know, like, a lot going on for me just to bust like in on your buddy here, but I loved my experience, but I, I laughed when I walked out of there, thinking, man, all great this guy's doing.

• 1:49:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:49:06Speaker 01

  And he wired mics, and he had me sinking in that couch, and it almost felt like I was meant to say, hey, can I get another chair? It felt like a trap.

• 1:49:15Speaker 00

  Maybe that's also his fire about it.

• 1:49:17Speaker 04

  That's the magic. He keeps it the exact same.

• 1:49:19Speaker 01

  Shane Stone Cold Steve Austin, though.

• 1:49:20Speaker 00

  But how would Stone Cold do? Would Stone Cold have like crazy fancy studio, whatever, would you be on his ranch on a horse?

• 1:49:26Speaker 01

  Have you been on the Broken Skull sessions?

• 1:49:27Speaker 00

  No, but do you understand?

• 1:49:29Speaker 01

  You're on his ranch.

• 1:49:29Speaker 00

  That's-

• 1:49:30Speaker 01

  Clearly, when the wind is blowing, you hear the tin on the roof and everything.

• 1:49:33Speaker 00

  But isn't that, yeah.

• 1:49:35Speaker 04

  And then it said, as much as I hate to say it, Schultz is Shawn Michaels.

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  That's real?

• 1:49:40Speaker 04

  Here's the justification.

• 1:49:42Speaker 00

  Guys, this guy's a real piece of shit.

• 1:49:44Speaker 01

  No, I'm just trying to find it.

• 1:49:45Speaker 04

  It says flashy, cocky, great hair era, obsessed with performance.

• 1:49:49Speaker 01

  Good for you.

• 1:49:49Speaker 04

  Can be annoying if you're not bought in, but undeniable if you are. And those where every camera is, is aware of how hot he is, which is both the bit and the problem.

• 1:49:57Speaker 01

  Oh my god. The bit and the problem. The bit and the problem. That is, that is definitely a great.

• 1:50:05Speaker 00

  You focus on the negative of it though.

• 1:50:08Speaker 01

  No, but you would. Like you would just.

• 1:50:10Speaker 04

  Your immeasurable talent is also good and bad.

• 1:50:13Speaker 00

  But it's not even about your negative. Like you would see someone else's negative and you would latch on to it.

• 1:50:19Speaker 01

  I think this is all.

• 1:50:20Speaker 00

  Like a fly to shit.

• 1:50:21Speaker 01

  I think he had me read, he read an entirely positive breakdown there. There was nothing negative about that.

• 1:50:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you, you, you found, you found it.

• 1:50:29Speaker 01

  No, I'm just saying that your talent is.

• 1:50:31Speaker 00

  You're so ready to heal, dude.

• 1:50:32Speaker 01

  Is the bit, right? The bit and the problem, correct?

• 1:50:36Speaker 00

  Anyway, I've always loved Sean.

• 1:50:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's phenomenal.

• 1:50:39Speaker 00

  But because he makes me believe. And I give CM Punk that same thing where it's like, I believe he believes. If you told me right now, CM Punk doesn't know it's scripted.

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  One of Punk's greatest gifts is being so prepared that when he approaches anything, maybe it will go differently. He already knew which way we could take this, but I'll give you a prime example. We did a tag match in the Garden recently. And out of nowhere, I looked over and he's punching Sami Zayn in the face already. And the match is what we call started hot. So we just made a massive decision on, in the world's most famous arena.

• 1:51:13Speaker 00

  Without anybody knowing.

• 1:51:14Speaker 01

  Without, with just his, in, his instinct.

• 1:51:17Speaker 00

  So he's going all vibes. He's like, this is what this needs right now.

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  I learned from the, from our interactions, and I think we probably have a few more dances together. I still learn, so, I mean, you're always learning, but I still learn directly from him, directly from him. He's, he's.

• 1:51:31Speaker 04

  That's dope.

• 1:51:32Speaker 01

  He's, he's, he's like Sean. And Sean's like you.

• 1:51:41Speaker 00

  I'm gonna hurt you one day.

• 1:51:44Speaker 01

  Who was Hogan?

• 1:51:44Speaker 04

  Do you wanna know?

• 1:51:45Speaker 01

  Is it also Schultz?

• 1:51:49Speaker 00

  What a stretch of the imagination.

• 1:51:51Speaker 04

  This is Schultz GPT. That's who I asked. The AI. If you wanna know, this is what ChatGPT said.

• 1:51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:57Speaker 04

  Said Hulk Hogan is Joe Rogan.

• 1:52:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:00Speaker 04

  Massive cultural figure, built an ecosystem, loyal believers, haters, supplements, catchphrases, and the brother universe. His comedy style is physical, curious, and intense.

• 1:52:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, everyone got wealthy. The Joe, I mean, that's the Hogan.

• 1:52:14Speaker 00

  That is with Hogan.

• 1:52:15Speaker 01

  Honestly, that's a great, yeah. And I think.

• 1:52:17Speaker 00

  Who's Taker?

• 1:52:19Speaker 04

  The Undertaker.

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  How many did they do?

• 1:52:21Speaker 04

  I did all of them, bro. It's crazy. The Undertaker is Dave Chappelle.

• 1:52:24Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:52:24Speaker 04

  Mythical.

• 1:52:25Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:52:25Speaker 04

  Enters the room, the whole arena changes. Doesn't need to be as fast because he has an aura that does so much of the work. When he talks, everyone treats it like scripture.

• 1:52:33Speaker 01

  Ah, this is good. I do, I do notice when I watch anything Chappelle, it's fun because he may not be telling a joke.

• 1:52:40Speaker 00

  Bro, I thought you said David Tell.

• 1:52:42Speaker 04

  Chappelle.

• 1:52:45Speaker 00

  I guess that works. But it is a tell.

• 1:52:48Speaker 01

  You think it's more a tell?

• 1:52:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  To me, Chappelle, to your point though about everything, you, so much has been done, growing up, watching the Chappelle show. So much has happened that he's made you laugh and entertained you. He, everything he does, you're plugged into. Even if you find out 10 minutes later, oh, he's just directly telling a story that's not a joke.

• 1:53:06Speaker 04

  Right, right. He has this aura now.

• 1:53:08Speaker 01

  You're, you're so plugged into, to, to what he's saying.

• 1:53:10Speaker 00

  Master of holding attention.

• 1:53:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. And isn't that the hardest thing?

• 1:53:14Speaker 04

  And that's Undertaker. He'll just stand there.

• 1:53:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's like, somebody said this, they were like, I think it was gnome from The Cellar. It's like, it was a Chappelle and then like Howard Stern have a unique ability to just talk and you listen.

• 1:53:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:31Speaker 00

  And I never really thought about that with Howard, because I think you get caught up in the antics with Howard. Like when you reflect back.

• 1:53:37Speaker 04

  I also miss that era.

• 1:53:38Speaker 00

  You were young for it. We were young for it as well. Like our parents were kind of listening to like this. But at the end of the day, it's like, you can't have a girl sit on a vibrator on radio all day. You're filling three and a half other hours and you just need to talk and have people just hang on every word.

• 1:53:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:57Speaker 00

  And some people have that.

• 1:53:59Speaker 04

  But if you tell me like, oh, there's this massive legal case or this cultural event and Chappelle weighed in on it.

• 1:54:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:04Speaker 04

  I'll listen.

• 1:54:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:05Speaker 04

  And like, maybe it's funny, maybe it's serious, but like, I'm gonna tune in.

• 1:54:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:11Speaker 04

  But there are so many other good ones.

• 1:54:12Speaker 01

  Who's Cody?

• 1:54:13Speaker 00

  Was I in there at all?

• 1:54:14Speaker 01

  Get me in there.

• 1:54:15Speaker 00

  Carrot Top.

• 1:54:17Speaker 00

  They were like, Carrot Top is Cody.

• 1:54:19Speaker 01

  King of props, right?

• 1:54:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly, yeah.

• 1:54:21Speaker 04

  I'm curious what you think of this. This, again, comes from ChatGPT, and I don't like to talk about comedians when they're not here, but this is what it says. Cody Rhodes, the equivalent, is John Mulaney. Clean suit, legacy energy, polished, theatrical, sincere, a little too perfect until life cracks the porcelain and makes him even more interesting. And has a big finish the story energy.

• 1:54:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm totally about that. That, I like that, yeah.

• 1:54:45Speaker 00

  And, and Mulaney had his heel turned with the dick shit?

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  The crack of the porcelain, you know?

• 1:54:49Speaker 00

  What? Yeah, but we need yours.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  What's, what's most interesting, I think, is the crack of the porcelain in terms of, something that Hayman is really big on with TV in general, is character development. Black and white is fun.

• 1:55:02Speaker 00

  Who'd you want you to be?

• 1:55:04Speaker 01

  I, I don't think I had one. I honestly was, actually, I did have one.

• 1:55:11Speaker 00

  Who, who?

• 1:55:12Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna say.

• 1:55:12Speaker 00

  Say it!

• 1:55:14Speaker 01

  I wanna make sure I get his name right.

• 1:55:16Speaker 00

  You don't know his name?

• 1:55:16Speaker 01

  No, but I want, he's all over my algorithm.

• 1:55:19Speaker 04

  We can fix it if you get it wrong.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  Well, just tell me then, and then I bet we won't fix it, but he's all over my algorithm.

• 1:55:25Speaker 00

  We can bleep it as well.

• 1:55:26Speaker 01

  Incredibly, incredibly well dressed, uniquely presenting, British comedian, who's super well educated as well.

• 1:55:35Speaker 04

  Jimmy Carr.

• 1:55:35Speaker 01

  Jimmy Carr.

• 1:55:36Speaker 00

  Jimmy Carr?

• 1:55:37Speaker 01

  Dude. Jimmy Carr talking about.

• 1:55:39Speaker 00

  Who is Jimmy?

• 1:55:40Speaker 01

  Jimmy Carr talking about just straight up fiction and nonfiction, 1800, like he, he's deeply read.

• 1:55:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, but also like.

• 1:55:49Speaker 01

  The hero's journey. He did this whole explanation on Star Wars and the hero's journey.

• 1:55:52Speaker 04

  It doesn't have Jimmy Carr in here, but I actually think that that sort of works. John Mulaney and Jimmy Carr are not vastly different in terms of appearance.

• 1:55:58Speaker 01

  I'm very happy with John Mulaney.

• 1:56:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:56:00Speaker 01

  And I'd love to skew a little bit more towards the Carr side of things, you know?

• 1:56:04Speaker 00

  Well, Alex thing, are you, are you hinting at something?

• 1:56:06Speaker 01

  No, not at all.

• 1:56:07Speaker 04

  Jimmy Carr is known for really.

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jimmy Carr is a little bit dark.

• 1:56:10Speaker 00

  Dark humor?

• 1:56:11Speaker 01

  Very dark humor, but what I see, I think maybe my algorithm brings him into, is more of his non-comedy stuff. More of his motivational inspiration.

• 1:56:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's a very smart guy.

• 1:56:21Speaker 01

  Very smart.

• 1:56:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:56:22Speaker 01

  And I think everybody, I didn't go to college, so not going to college, one of the things you want is to educate yourself as you grow. Uh, as, as we get older, because we feel we get in these rooms where we don't, we don't ever wanna be the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.

• 1:56:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  Um, and I just, I admire that.

• 1:56:37Speaker 04

  Do you wanna know about the one and only Dusty Rhodes?

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  Hey, old man. I would have thought it was Shane Gillis, man of the people, but Dusty and Steve are very similar characters just turned over decades later. Yes.

• 1:56:46Speaker 04

  Adam Sandler.

• 1:56:49Speaker 04

  The beloved common man, funny voice, big heart, sneaky genius.

• 1:56:53Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 1:56:53Speaker 04

  Critics don't always know what to do with them, but people will love him forever.

• 1:56:56Speaker 01

  So on first blush, I thought, no way. Instantly though, thought about dude in his gym shorts, playing basketball, and taking care of his daughter, like. Yes, 100%.

• 1:57:08Speaker 00

  It's right.

• 1:57:08Speaker 01

  The Sandler people's, oh my gosh.

• 1:57:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:57:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, man, this is.

• 1:57:12Speaker 00

  It's pretty good.

• 1:57:13Speaker 01

  Are you doing like an AI plug here?

• 1:57:15Speaker 00

  Not even, I shouldn't even said it.

• 1:57:17Speaker 01

  You're a big AI guy.

• 1:57:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, there's so many good ones.

• 1:57:19Speaker 00

  Now you believe it.

• 1:57:22Speaker 00

  It's funny that now it makes sense to you.

• 1:57:24Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:57:24Speaker 04

  I mean, all right, give me another comedian or wrestler if you're curious.

• 1:57:27Speaker 00

  Who's Patrice?

• 1:57:29Speaker 04

  Uh, Patrice is a great one.

• 1:57:30Speaker 01

  Patrice is your favorite comedian. I think you told me that.

• 1:57:32Speaker 00

  No, no, he's the greatest comedian.

• 1:57:34Speaker 01

  You told me that, I asked you who was, and you said he was hands down the best.

• 1:57:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, not even, nobody's close.

• 1:57:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:57:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:57:40Speaker 01

  Who is he?

• 1:57:41Speaker 04

  Patrice O'Neal is Andre the Giant. A mythic presence, a huge force. Everyone who saw him live talks about they witnessed something sacred. You can't recreate it. You can only tell younger people, hey, you had to be there.

• 1:57:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Have you been to the WWE headquarters, by the way?

• 1:57:56Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:57:56Speaker 01

  That's one of the cooler things when you go into the office now is you just walk in, look to the left, and all three floors, it's a giant Andre painting. On all, so it goes all the way up to the third floor of the new office. And then there's, he has a statue and the statues are everywhere too. Uh, but that, that's a really cool, you should go. You should go tour. You're very welcome at WWE, by the way. Everyone always likes when you're around.

• 1:58:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, yeah, the Andre thing is interesting because he existed in an era where I feel like looking the part

• 1:58:29Speaker 00

  had more importance than maybe even now.

• 1:58:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:32Speaker 00

  Like his size and stature, when you're buying into what we're watching, and you're seeing a guy of that size, you're like, it must be real.

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. There he is.

• 1:58:46Speaker 04

  I mean, mythical.

• 1:58:47Speaker 01

  Everything, I mean, my sister has great stories about Andre, because I don't remember much as a kid. He did a couple camping trips with us. And she has stories about his hand, just like grabbing her whole head and just, and everything about that man and, and what he did too. And, and I think it's been brought to light, the Hogan doc did a really good job on it, is how important it was. You mentioned doing the honors, how important it was that at WrestleMania 3, he did that for Hogan. And so much of it stems out of that moment.

• 1:59:17Speaker 00

  What year was that?

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  Eighty, so WrestleMania 3 is, what is it, 88? 87?

• 1:59:22Speaker 00

  Cause I have memories of this.

• 1:59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:25Speaker 00

  I'm born in 83, but I have memories of Hogan lifting him. And I don't know if I have memories from like watching something when I was a little bit older.

• 1:59:33Speaker 04

  I think we just always saw that, like replay. Yeah, cause I even remember. I know I was too late.

• 1:59:38Speaker 00

  And there's no way that I.

• 1:59:39Speaker 04

  But like that, when he like flipped him over and, yeah.

• 1:59:43Speaker 01

  He's, he's, he's older here. Um, he's going through it. That's the first time Hogan took him down. Look at the people.

• 1:59:50Speaker 00

  Oh, and then he asked him, he asked him to do it by the rope so he could lift himself, he could use the rope to get himself back up, right?

• 1:59:56Speaker 01

  And Bobby Heenan is an unsung hero of WrestleMania 3. He's out there all night, multiple outfits, just, just unbelievable. Here you go. One of those moments where the wrestling business changes.

• 2:00:07Speaker 00

  Oh, boy. I mean, look at the people. Look at those people jumping.

• 2:00:14Speaker 01

  It's where the wrestling business changes.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  Fire.

• 2:00:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's one of those where just Pontiac Silverdome and just,

• 2:00:32Speaker 01

  you have, you have moments like this where you kind of as a wrestler, when these moments happen and they're very few and far between, you basically buy wrestling five to 10 years, if that makes any sense. Wrestling was gonna be good.

• 2:00:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:47Speaker 01

  For quite some time.

• 2:00:48Speaker 00

  People are chasing that moment.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  That moment is so important. And again, you, those moments when they come along, you can't be the one to say that was one of those moments. The world has to tell you that was one of those moments. And that for sure, you, five to 10 years of, you know, Hogan being as good as he was too, it was able to actually work. They kept, they kept the, you know, the content quality.

• 2:01:08Mark Gagnon?

  What was another moment like that? Like one of those like?

• 2:01:10Speaker 00

  Can I ask you this without you being annoying about it?

• 2:01:14Speaker 01

  That's, I don't love the preface. Can I answer?

• 2:01:17Speaker 00

  Can I, can I, can I change it again? Can I ask this?

• 2:01:20Speaker 01

  I'd like to answer first.

• 2:01:22Speaker 00

  Can I ask this without being annoying? Is you finishing the story, one of those moments?

• 2:01:26Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, answering this question.

• 2:01:28Speaker 00

  But can I ask you?

• 2:01:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I was.

• 2:01:31Speaker 00

  Cause you would never want to answer that question.

• 2:01:32Speaker 01

  Austin.

• 2:01:33Speaker 00

  John Mulaney would never answer this.

• 2:01:35Speaker 01

  Almost, Austin had multiple moments like this. Austin with Tyson in between, Austin with Vince, Austin with the beer truck. Maybe one of the reasons why he is such a phenomenal, one of the most prolific baby faces ever, and the Attitude Era was so hot. Austin had multiple moments. Him running, everyone likes the greatest, maybe pop of all time is when he comes to make the save for mankind, hits Rock with the chair.

• 2:02:01Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I was thinking.

• 2:02:02Speaker 01

  That's another one. Like you said, they're trying to chase it. They're trying to chase it.

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• 2:05:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:15Speaker 00

  Do you think that that bought years, not just for you, but for people getting excited about wrestling? It's a tough one to answer because it's about you.

• 2:05:28Speaker 01

  I, I don't, I don't know if I can answer that, but I can tell you that I, I know for a fact that it capped off an era and started anew. And, um,

• 2:05:43Speaker 01

  I, I'm gonna take myself out of the equation in terms of Netflix. I love it that they, they posted it. They, they call it the greatest five minutes in wrestling. And it's the five minutes near the end of that match where I'm basically just laying on the mat while all this other stuff happens. You have, uh, you have the final boss, The Rock. You have the old sheriff of all wrestling and a guy passing this knowledge down in The Undertaker. You have super genius, Mr. Heyman on the outside. You have Jey Uso, you have Solosokoa. But, uh, I think,

• 2:06:16Speaker 01

  and, and then you have, you know, Roman Reigns. And I, I would say that Roman on that night, regardless, I would just say Roman on that night changed, changed our industry. So it has nothing to do with me.

• 2:06:31Speaker 00

  Wait, why?

• 2:06:33Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know. I, I feel uncomfortable.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  It has nothing to do with me. Uh, if they, we had new management. We've got new potential distributors looking at the product. Who want to buy the product, who want to show us to more households than we've ever been shown before. That, that moment, I would say is, is not about me. I'm happy to be in it. And, uh, I'm glad I'm in it. Yeah, so I, I don't know to answer your question. I don't know. If I was a heel, I would just say.

• 2:07:11Speaker 00

  It was the greatest.

• 2:07:12Speaker 01

  It's the greatest moment in the history of wrestling. Uh, it's definitely, um.

• 2:07:15Speaker 00

  Well, it was one of those things where wrestling was real.

• 2:07:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:19Speaker 00

  Meaning like, that really did happen.

• 2:07:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:23Speaker 00

  What was scripted and what, you know, led to that and obviously like what happened to WrestleMania before. But like, the journey was real. And every time you get a moment, I imagine in your industry where the thing that happened is real.

• 2:07:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:38Speaker 00

  That's super exciting. Because it often is like a reflection of what's happening outside of wrestling. Whether it's like the heat from the fans, or whether it's like real storylines between characters, where there's some actual like tension between guys and you get to like play that in the ring. You know, it's, that was the example where it got blurry. And then all these people got to see something happen.

• 2:07:58Speaker 01

  Got very blurry.

• 2:07:59Speaker 00

  Pretty cool.

• 2:08:00Speaker 01

  I, again, it, uh, I, that, that moment is 110% Roman Reigns.

• 2:08:07Speaker 00

  And you feel like, you feel like Roman doing that, but like more you were able to pay everybody's salaries for the next 10 years. Like you feel, is that what you're trying to communicate?

• 2:08:17Speaker 01

  I'm not saying, not at all. No, I do, there's an old, uh, there's an old wrestling saying that, one of my favorite wrestlers, he'd say, there's a couple of matches on here that are paying for everybody's flights.

• 2:08:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  And I always love that because I don't think, um, the younger generation knows and it, there's not, they don't need to know. I understand that they don't know. I don't think they understand the full handover of tickets. How difficult selling one ticket can be. How difficult selling 10,000 tickets can be. I don't think they fully know. And I hope that they don't need to worry about it. You mentioned some of the guys that they'll, they'll worry about it when it's time for them to worry about it.

• 2:08:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:08:55Speaker 01

  And that's our, our job. And that's maybe why that whole thing of getting everybody ready. Cause we need this to keep going.

• 2:09:00Speaker 00

  That's the, you often don't know how lovely you have it when you're in a position of support. Because your ambition makes you focus on being in the position of a draw.

• 2:09:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:12Speaker 00

  But the weight of the draw is very different. When you're in a position of support, you get to go out there, there's no expectation. Your match gets to quote unquote, steal the show.

• 2:09:19Speaker 01

  Yep, man.

• 2:09:20Speaker 00

  Did it fill the arena?

• 2:09:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:23Speaker 00

  And when it has to, that's a very different dynamic.

• 2:09:26Speaker 01

  It's different. And then this modern generation, growing up with, uh, I see so many people try to be too smart for social media. They try to clap back at it. They try to get in, get in there because, you know, wrestling fans, particularly on X, can be very, very, very negative.

• 2:09:41Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:09:42Speaker 01

  And very mean. And the moment you sell for them, they've got you. And what I wish they could understand is that you can't get down and get involved in this. It's, it's, and this is the thing that they won't find out. And you just mentioned the burden. When you get to where you want, it's 10 times worse. When you get to where you want, everything you do and say becomes news.

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:10:06Speaker 01

  And that is hilarious.

• 2:10:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:08Speaker 01

  In a way, but also really scary.

• 2:10:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:11Speaker 01

  Really scary. Like, I, I make jokes on my podcast. Like, come on.

• 2:10:16Speaker 00

  And then there's whole threads about it.

• 2:10:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, like really scary. And, um, I, I just wish they know it's only getting worse, so don't bother with it now.

• 2:10:23Speaker 00

  But it is an awesome responsibility to have.

• 2:10:25Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, it's what you want. You, it's the ninth inning, you want to be up.

• 2:10:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:28Speaker 01

  I said it on TV the other night. And again, when wrestling reflects what's real, it's great. I told them, I'm the king of the unwinnable position. Put me in the unwinnable position. Oh, another huge baby face that was saying as a heel, but the crowd is losing their mind for. And then there's me?

• 2:10:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:41Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll, I'll find my way.

• 2:10:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:43Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll, I'll survive. And it's also my job to.

• 2:10:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:46Speaker 01

  It's my job to, you know, someone handed this to me and it's my job.

• 2:10:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I don't know if there's another industry that hands it over.

• 2:10:55Speaker 01

  No, and do we really hand it over?

• 2:10:57Speaker 00

  I think there are guys that do.

• 2:10:59Speaker 01

  There are guys who really do. And then there's guys who hand it over and go, all right. Let's see how he does. I hope you fail. Yeah, not I hope you fail, but also like I'll be here. In case you need to call me back. I'll be here and that's, that's also that I don't, I don't even think that's negative. It's, it's, it's when you're not ready till you're ready and you don't know until you know. And I don't know if it's like this in the comedy space. I feel like it probably is. Nobody hands over. You're all just doing it, right? There are people that will, there are people that will like maybe co-sign, but there's also an advantage in co-signing. Yeah. Sometimes co-signing might, you know, breathe more life into you. Yeah. So like, you know, and then there are people who benevolently, there are people who have

• 2:11:40Speaker 01

  made their like so much of their life, like Keith Robinson is a like iconic comic. He's from Philly, but like we know him as iconic New York comedy seller comic and like he has put on so many fucking people. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Like literally like dragging them up from Philly, making them hang out in clubs, introducing them, building fucking careers. Like. Yeah. He's an absolute legend and there are tons of those types of comics and that is awesome. But I think a lot of times what happens when people are on top is that, you know, they might not feel the same way as somebody else coming on top. They might feel concerned about it. I think in wrestling and one of my favorite matches, if not my favorite match of all time is a prime example of a little bit of what you're saying and a little bit of it's,

• 2:12:24Speaker 01

  it's a bit of both is you want to do it honestly and great, but then you also want to be the one who said, I picked you. You, it's, it's, there's an element of it that is positively performative. You're still doing it. You're still handing it. But you want it to be yours. But you also want to be one who was smart enough to, and, and I think that's healthy in a way to, to pick and hope, never root against. That's my, my biggest thing. And I, I learned that especially from my time away from WWE is the pie is not as big as we think. Do not root against anybody. Don't root for them. Even the guy you can hate. Yeah. Root for him. Cause he's also amplifying the pie. Right. And also if you can't beat him fair and square, you can't beat him. Yeah.

• 2:13:08Speaker 01

  If you can't walk out and get the same reaction, fair and square, then it wasn't your night. Work towards it. Work towards when you can. And wrestling is also cyclical. Sometimes you're the last music they hear. Sometimes you're not. Yeah.

• 2:13:21Speaker 04

  What's the craziest story an OG's told you that you were like, in all my years of wrestling, I've never heard this?

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  Well, the Haku I story is real. So we mentioned him in terms of like a crazy thing they did. Um, my dad used to tell me this tall tale growing up that him and another fellow were looking to get, you know, steel, gold, silver, everything the country's built on. They were getting to steal and they derailed a train, derailed the train outside of Austin, Texas. Like they broke the tracks and derailed the train and then went and robbed scrap metal off it. Clearly I didn't believe this story at all. Didn't believe that you derailed the train. And then at his memorial service, a gentleman came up to me who is a sheriff now in Austin and fully co-opted the story about how, oh man, we were worried. We thought

• 2:14:11Speaker 01

  that driver was going to get hurt. We didn't think it would go that bad. Couldn't believe it. The fact that they took scrap metal off a train in what was probably 1960 something? Like you're not, who's robbing trains still? That, that was a crazy.

• 2:14:25Speaker 04

  Your dad alleged that he did it or he knew someone that did it?

• 2:14:28Speaker 01

  No, he claimed he did it with his friend and I thought, yeah, it's a tall tale. It's not real. And then the cop came and told me the whole story for our terrible, terrible decision. But there's a lot of like that in wrestling. So stranger than fiction type moments, you know? That's wild. When you get Sean on here, you'll get some good ones and you should be able to get him. Cause. That's my boy. Yeah. I mean, you're the Sean Michaels of comedy. I don't like how patronizing you're being with this. I thought yours after I've heard the full list. Yeah. I think it's great for you. I do. I think that's awesome. What was the for you supposed to mean right there? I think it's great. I think, isn't it great for, isn't it great for Sean? Sean's a, a veteran. You're still a young man, you know, Sean is. Forty-two years old.

• 2:15:13Speaker 01

  Forty-two. Yeah. How old are you? Forty-one. Wearing it. Forty-one and. Those cigars, man. You know, you know what we didn't talk about? Those cigars, bro. That really blew my mind that we haven't spoke about. Yeah. Is that we were laying in that pile when my daughter was born. Bro, I know. We were laying.

• 2:15:33Speaker 04

  And you had the most Mulaney jokes about it.

• 2:15:36Speaker 01

  What, my Mulaney jokes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were just Mulaney-ing it up, dude. You really were. Yeah. I got, I got a lot of like heartbreak kid from you that night. Oh, he knows his stuff. He knows his stuff. But that was, that was a, that was, that was something, man. Yeah. And we ruined those girls scene.

• 2:15:59Speaker 04

  What do you mean, what do you mean?

• 2:16:01Speaker 01

  Okay. Without giving too much into the movie, there is a moment, I think it's seen a little bit in the trailer where some of the heroes are all be beaten up, laying in a body, like laying in one big mess of bodies. We're literally laid on top of one another. Yes. And there are two of the female stars of the film talking to each other very sharply. Yeah. During the scene and the scene was, I believe, almost an introductory for one of them. So these are important moments. Iconic character. Iconic character. Iconic. And because we had to keep our eyes closed and because I had my phone tucked into my chest, waiting to find a picture of my child, cause I knew that it was happening. Oh, wow.

• 2:16:43Speaker 01

  Uh, I'm looking down, but also the anticipation for these lines being so sharp and so seriously delivered. Yep. That we were unable to keep it together. So before, would you just hear footsteps? And then the line was something about the spire. The second, she would say spire in a way that was like really funny to us, but also we're like cold and delusional and just like laying on top of each other. So sometimes like you ever say a word enough and it just becomes funny. And I had all of Zangief on top of me. Oh yeah. So the seven foot Dutch guy. I had all the Dutch giant on top of me. And then, so we started laughing at spire and then we could hear her boots walking. And we know within three steps, spire's about to happen.

• 2:17:27Speaker 04

  And when you know you're not supposed to laugh.

• 2:17:28Speaker 01

  Oh man. Now it's at the boots. So dying laughing, dying laughing. So, uh, and I don't think she was aware what we were laughing at. Yeah. Uh, no, I don't, I think they just considered us rather, that nobody would have understood what's funny about this line on his way to the spire. No. Nobody would have understood, but then we did have a beautiful moment where we cut and I looked down and there was a baby girl, where Lani was born. Wow. Yeah.

• 2:17:56Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 2:17:57Speaker 01

  That gotta be the craziest story. Yeah. Well, it was also crazy because we all got it in the circle, but then there were some other people in production like, wait, what? A child, they just had a baby? Like there was other people who you tell, like, oh, congratulations. Oh, it was, it happened so quickly.

• 2:18:14Speaker 04

  And people got you gifts and stuff? But you said that.

• 2:18:17Speaker 01

  I got a gift from almost everybody. I didn't get one from, uh. I did give you a gift. We had a gift together. We smoked, we smoked a cigar. I gave you a gift. Did you? My time.

• 2:18:29Speaker 04

  Oh man.

• 2:18:30Speaker 01

  What would Sean Michaels have done, right? You know? But we, I have a photo. Uh, I'll send it. I, it's me and, uh, it's me, Andrew. Who gave you a gift? Orville. Everyone. He does it like that. They gave you a gift? Everyone. That night, the next day. I cast you in the fucking.

• 2:18:47Speaker 01

  No. So what did they give you? They gave you like baby stuff? A lot of baby stuff. Yes.

• 2:18:51Speaker 04

  That's very thoughtful.

• 2:18:52Speaker 01

  But we had a great moment where we smoked a party gas, Siri number two, off to the side, me, you and Orville. And I think it's funny. I look at the picture. It's the only time the wig is ever malformed. The wig has like a dent in it from one of you laying on top of me and it was made of yak hair. Wow. Yak hair. Yeah. He had a wig. He was wigged up the whole time. Oh, it wasn't. Extinctions? Suctions, yeah. I took my shit serious, bro. And you wore that little bonnet. It's the word, it's the adjective. Oh, let me do it again. Yeah, try it again. You wore the bonnet. Yeah. Got it. See how much easier that is when you can fucking just speak like a normal human being? I remember seeing and thinking, that's gotta be uncomfortable, but you were wearing it the whole time, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. The things I'll do.

• 2:19:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. You, you were committed. I was committed, dude. You were pot committed. And we sat, we smoked that cigar like gentlemen. Like gentlemen. And then they went and tried again with us. There he is. You never gave his score. His acting score? Yeah. I, I, I would give him a, I'd give him a solid nine out of 10. Nine out of 10. I give, I give, I give him a solid nine out of 10. Oh, he does do Cody. Ten out of 10. He does, he does Cody. Yeah. Everybody else gets a 10 out of 10. David's a 10 out of 10. Koji, 10 out of 10. Koji was just the part Kalina. I mean, Dutch giant. I think, I think Koji was retaining semen. What?

• 2:20:19Speaker 04

  Who's?

• 2:20:20Speaker 01

  I think he was.

• 2:20:24Speaker 01

  He was doing semen retention.

• 2:20:25Speaker 04

  Oh, like his own. Yeah.

• 2:20:26Speaker 01

  I think. Did you guys talk about that at all? I, I feel like I cannot answer. I think you're saying he was withholding as the character.

• 2:20:34Speaker 04

  Which is good.

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  Wait, what? How else would you interpret that? I definitely, if I was going to say, hey, he wasn't out there doing it. I wouldn't say he was retaining semen. That's not how I'd word it. How would you word it? I mean, that's what it is at the end of the day. Koji was doing Koji. Koji was real life Ryu. So whatever that was. But I mean, I imagine Ryu was retaining his semen. I, I feel like.

• 2:20:55Speaker 04

  Did they talk about that in the video game?

• 2:20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Again, I think this is a bit of. I don't know if Ryu has love interests. The Schultz spin here, you know? I get a Schultz spin, you have a Cody lie? Yeah. I, I don't know enough about what he was up to, other than he was being Ryu. I just, I distinctly remember him so committed to that character and meditating and like.

• 2:21:14Speaker 04

  Discipline.

• 2:21:15Speaker 01

  Just discipline. And he told you he was retaining his semen. I think that there was a moment where we talked about how much semen he has retained.

• 2:21:23Speaker 04

  Really?

• 2:21:24Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:21:24Speaker 04

  Was Dan not retaining?

• 2:21:27Speaker 01

  Dan's married, so he's been retaining.

• 2:21:32Speaker 00

  For about five years now, six years.

• 2:21:34Speaker 01

  You did like a big Airbnb with the family, right?

• 2:21:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:21:39Speaker 01

  That's the way to go, huh?

• 2:21:40Speaker 00

  I mean, yeah, we, you know, we had kid bear and like, it was a whole thing.

• 2:21:44Speaker 01

  Are you excited about the movie?

• 2:21:45Speaker 00

  I am really excited.

• 2:21:46Speaker 01

  I am too.

• 2:21:48Speaker 00

  It's fucking fun, dude.

• 2:21:50Speaker 01

  It's so fun.

• 2:21:51Speaker 00

  It's like, yeah, I'm just, I don't know. It's weird because I did actually really play it as a kid, like in the arcades. Like, that's how old I am.

• 2:22:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:02Speaker 00

  And I would like, remember going during lunch to, there was this like bodega or deli on First Avenue. And I was at Wagner Middle School and Wagner's on 76 between second and third. And the deli was on like 69th and first or something like that. And I remember we would go and it was actually Capcom versus Marvel.

• 2:22:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:22:23Speaker 00

  The game that was there. By the time I was in middle school, that was like what was hot.

• 2:22:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:28Speaker 00

  And I remember going and playing and it was just like this daily thing that we would do. It was just such like a part of your life. And it was like, the first part where it was like, the first thing you could like flex on as a kid.

• 2:22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:40Speaker 00

  Like as a kid, you could be like good at basketball and these other things, but like, it didn't matter that much at that age. At that age, it kind of mattered who like ran fast, straight.

• 2:22:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah.

• 2:22:48Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Like being like the best at basketball.

• 2:22:51Speaker 01

  Different metrics.

• 2:22:51Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:22:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, your, your Street Fighter or your Marvel versus Capcom. You were, yeah, that guy's really good.

• 2:22:56Speaker 00

  That fucking matters.

• 2:22:57Speaker 01

  He got all the way to such and such.

• 2:22:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:22:58Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 2:22:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, in Marvel versus Capcom, what Marvel player did you play with?

• 2:23:03Speaker 01

  Oh, it's easy.

• 2:23:05Speaker 00

  Can I guess?

• 2:23:06Speaker 01

  The Cat. Captain America.

• 2:23:08Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, really?

• 2:23:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:09Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, you didn't go X-Men?

• 2:23:10Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 2:23:10Mark Gagnon?

  You didn't go any X-Men?

• 2:23:12Speaker 01

  No, I did not. And I have a deep love and affinity for the X-Men. You know what? Do you remember, did you guys have Pizza Hut's growing up?

• 2:23:21Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. I think you played.

• 2:23:23Speaker 01

  This is how bad the Georgia public school system maybe was. If you got all Bs, not all As, all Bs.

• 2:23:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:23:30Speaker 01

  You could bring your report card to them.

• 2:23:32Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I remember that.

• 2:23:33Speaker 01

  And you'd get a VHS copy of Night of the Living Mutants, which is like the original animated series.

• 2:23:39Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, they would give us a free pizza.

• 2:23:40Speaker 01

  You get the little, you get a personal pan.

• 2:23:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:23:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a thing for Bs, just for, so I was, that was. Yeah, and that's actually, they had not even like, they had a Street Fighter cabinet at that Pizza Hut. And it was the first time, this is gonna sound terrible, apologies, Brandy. It was the first time I saw a woman's boob because in the stage where you'd play Cagot.

• 2:24:01Speaker 00

  You have to apologize to your wife for it?

• 2:24:02Speaker 01

  I, I try, I try, I try to always put her over and talk very, very kindly as, as you should and you do.

• 2:24:09Speaker 00

  Of course you should, obviously.

• 2:24:11Speaker 01

  You're not gonna speak about other women.

• 2:24:12Speaker 00

  Your wife knows you've seen boobs before. I mean, like China was in the WWE back in the day.

• 2:24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so these are good points, but the point is, the point is it changed.

• 2:24:22Mark Gagnon?

  Got some respect.

• 2:24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:23Speaker 00

  I wouldn't.

• 2:24:24Speaker 01

  The point is it changed. If you play the game now, it's covered, it's covered up. It's a statue in the back.

• 2:24:28Speaker 00

  That's a little disrespectful.

• 2:24:30Speaker 01

  That's covered up. Also, Fuentes, the box had a woman with the boobs as well.

• 2:24:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:24:33Speaker 01

  Fuentes box, still does.

• 2:24:35Speaker 00

  Do you like some boobies?

• 2:24:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I do like some boobies.

• 2:24:40Speaker 00

  Dude, you're such a heel, dude. You're a dog. Such a heel to hear you do. You are a dog.

• 2:24:46Mark Gagnon?

  You're a.

• 2:24:46Speaker 01

  We're barking a lot on set.

• 2:24:47Speaker 00

  This is what he does when he walks around set. It's actually a really sophisticated like a social tool that I imagine that you developed from being around people that you have to say hi to constantly.

• 2:24:59Speaker 01

  Move quickly.

• 2:25:00Speaker 00

  Yes. So it's like, what he would do is, all right, when you're on set, you're around all the same people every single day. And when you walk from one place to another, you're gonna see 20 people that, and like, obviously as a normal social person, the right thing to do when you see somebody is say hi. What's going on, blah, blah, blah. But like, sometimes you gotta get to A to B. And I would notice he would do this thing as he walk around and acknowledgement, like, huh, huh, huh. And I'm like, what's this parking thing? And then I realized it's the equivalent of like a fist bump.

• 2:25:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. I like that.

• 2:25:27Speaker 00

  Move on.

• 2:25:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. I acknowledge you, we're, we're pushing.

• 2:25:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:25:31Mark Gagnon?

  And you got a germ thing, so you don't have to touch it.

• 2:25:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. You have a germ thing?

• 2:25:35Speaker 01

  No, but I mean, if you do have a germ thing.

• 2:25:37Speaker 00

  I know you've got a germ.

• 2:25:37Speaker 01

  You've got a germ thing? No, I thought you did.

• 2:25:39Speaker 00

  Well, I don't have germs.

• 2:25:40Speaker 01

  Oh, they told me before I came on set, just be mindful, he's got a germ thing.

• 2:25:43Speaker 00

  Is, is that what they told you before you came on set? How is your butt up?

• 2:25:51Speaker 01

  No, but I, you remember obviously Home Improvement, Tim, Toolman Taylor. And that's, I, I had to ask myself at one point, I go, where did this come from? Because there's a wrestler right now, Braun Breaker, barks and the crowd barks and I'm like, dang it. It's kind of like, that's his, that's his. So it's gotta be his, but at least backstage, I can still be like, huh, you know? Actually, there's a, if you ever talked to Solo Sikola, who I was talking about him earlier, great story where we did a match with me and Brock Lesnar versus Roman and Solo. And the match was never gonna happen.

• 2:26:23Speaker 00

  Why?

• 2:26:24Speaker 01

  We were gonna do a big schmaz, a big angle at the end, so there wasn't gonna be a match. But Solo was new and he didn't, he, he didn't know the nuance of sometimes maybe the high level of the game where people are not saying things for a reason. There's, there's producers who don't even know what we're about to pull. This may be a limited number of people we need to know, but I thought on his side of things, he would have been.

• 2:26:48Speaker 00

  Privy.

• 2:26:48Speaker 01

  Privy.

• 2:26:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:26:49Speaker 01

  So he's planning to do a full tag match with me and Brock and Brock is a unique animal to approach. He doesn't even lock up. So how, how do you get in there with Brock? What do you do? Like, do you just run up and kick him? Do, do you run up and let him close on? What do you do? And he backstage, very nervous, which he's never nervous anymore because he's really assumed the locker room role now. But man, he backstage, I walked right by him, I didn't, didn't realize what I did. He goes, hey, um, what do, what are we, what are we doing out there? Hey, what are we doing? And I just, huh, and I kept going. And he, at the beginning of this match, which doesn't happen, is basically like getting ready to jump us.

• 2:27:28Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 2:27:29Speaker 01

  Not aware of what's about to happen because he thought that's the only way you could do it with a guy like this. Like you jump on him and get what you can and then he'll take back over. So it was a classic case of maybe the bark almost.

• 2:27:42Speaker 00

  Went the other way.

• 2:27:42Speaker 01

  Almost went the wrong way. Like, he should have got the information.

• 2:27:45Speaker 00

  Funny you say that about Brock. I remember some match.

• 2:27:51Speaker 00

  I don't know what exactly it was, but where you went, maybe it was even a promo, but you just went right at Brock.

• 2:27:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I typically would. I dove on him when he.

• 2:28:00Speaker 00

  No, it was punches to the head.

• 2:28:01Speaker 01

  Always.

• 2:28:02Speaker 00

  Then he gets you and he does the.

• 2:28:04Speaker 01

  And you start getting thrown around.

• 2:28:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:28:05Speaker 01

  And you get them Germans, Superfly City.

• 2:28:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:28:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:08Speaker 00

  But I remember that, that's right. That's interesting. So he just won't lock up. So it's just really street fight with him.

• 2:28:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I mean, he's, he's definitely in, he's the closest to, it's very real. And when I say it's very real is, I'm not talking about getting punched in the eye or the nose.

• 2:28:21Speaker 00

  The pain of it.

• 2:28:22Speaker 01

  Well, more the earn it. More the earn it. And the earn it is something you, you learn when you get in there with older guys. They do want you to get where you want to get, but you might have to take a few more steps to get there. If that makes any sense, you know?

• 2:28:36Speaker 00

  Are you at the level of success?

• 2:28:41Speaker 00

  That the belt is not important?

• 2:28:44Speaker 01

  I feel like the belt's the most important thing in the game.

• 2:28:47Speaker 00

  You have to say that, obviously, but like.

• 2:28:49Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 2:28:49Speaker 00

  There are certain fighters, like boxers, for example, where their name recognition.

• 2:28:55Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:28:55Speaker 00

  Is so valuable.

• 2:28:56Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:28:57Speaker 00

  That it carries.

• 2:28:58Speaker 01

  It, it supersedes the title.

• 2:29:00Speaker 00

  We don't even have to say supersede.

• 2:29:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:02Speaker 00

  But it almost, it almost holds the weight of a title. It holds the importance of a title because people are invested in those characters.

• 2:29:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:09Speaker 00

  If, if, if The Rock comes back at any point in time, we don't need him to have a fucking belt. It's The Rock.

• 2:29:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:29:15Speaker 00

  Would you agree?

• 2:29:16Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, you're, I totally get what you're saying, but it's for the promoter to know that. Cause even, even somebody like that.

• 2:29:23Speaker 00

  So if you were a promoter.

• 2:29:24Speaker 01

  Still want the belt. There's something about it. It's something about having it. And again, what's real and what's not. When you walk around with it backstage, it's real. I, I hope you have more wrestlers who sit on the couch with you and then lie to you and then say, oh, no. I don't want that.

• 2:29:40Mark Gagnon?

  I feel like.

• 2:29:41Speaker 01

  I don't want that. I'm, I'm good now, buddy.

• 2:29:44Mark Gagnon?

  I feel like when The Rock came back, he really wanted it. Like, he wanted that top spot back.

• 2:29:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, like it's, it's, it's, again, I consider it a positive thing. You want it.

• 2:29:54Speaker 00

  There's nothing wrong.

• 2:29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need a person in your life, and, and I have two who are both you know well, and that's Hunter and Nick. You need a person in your life, a promoter, a creative lead, someone to say, right now is yours, time, we need this done. Or right now, you don't, you need that. That's for them to know. I think as a wrestler, you should still always, always be looking at, what is the guy wearing the title doing? Is he doing the most? Should he, when I, am I doing the most? That's, that's how we keep going. How we keep going. I, to any segment that would go wrong, off the rails, even if I know very, very in my bones that it might not have been my fault, I want to put it on me. Especially when you're wearing the title, especially.

• 2:30:40Speaker 01

  That's, I'm, I'm not, definitely, you mentioned like, I'm pretty well-liked in certain locker rooms, not by all. And the def, the wrestlers that I don't get along with are the ones who aren't in it for that. I just, it doesn't mean I don't like them, I just don't get you. Like, I don't get you. How, you didn't want to grow up and be champ? Like, what, what, what did you want to do? And it's not wrong, it's just to me, like, and maybe I grew up, we defined athlete earlier by playing kids' sports. Maybe I grew up and that my dad and mom were not coming to those wrestling tournaments for me not to place. They weren't like, we weren't having a bad ride home if I didn't, but they weren't coming for me to.

• 2:31:21Speaker 00

  They wanted you to win.

• 2:31:21Speaker 01

  They wanted you to win. Like.

• 2:31:23Speaker 00

  Hunter said.

• 2:31:24Speaker 01

  I'm mad at that.

• 2:31:25Speaker 00

  Triple H, Triple H said that, uh, I don't want to misquote him here, but he had something about like the baby faces.

• 2:31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:33Speaker 00

  He likes the heels. And he's like, he's like, the baby faces, something, I forget, he said it on the pod here, but you could feel like in his heart, like he appreciated it. Maybe because he spent time as a heel.

• 2:31:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:43Speaker 00

  But like, it's not like he was being critical. Baby faces, but maybe he felt like the heels don't get the the do that they deserve like.

• 2:31:52Speaker 01

  Proper heels don't. Proper heels don't. And today it's we're we're redefining the industry every day. So when you speak in absolute, when I speak in absolutes, I get in trouble because I say, well, that's not a heel or that's not a baby face. The fans are the ones who decide. So they're right and I'm wrong. But I will say at least how I was trained, a proper heel isn't someone that you like, isn't someone that you're like, oh, he got new music and a new look and dark hair and all that. That's another layer of paint that makes you cool. JBL is a great example of a heel. He was a heel and he came to Texas and they had shirts for him because he was from Texas. He went to the merch stand himself and took the shirts. You're not selling shirts for me. You're selling shirts for him.

• 2:32:35Speaker 01

  And who he was pointing at was John Cena. Like, I don't care.

• 2:32:38Speaker 00

  Oh, he said, I don't want you to.

• 2:32:40Speaker 01

  That's a heel.

• 2:32:42Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 2:32:43Speaker 01

  Interesting shot there, Brad. Yeah, like, but when he was New York transplant, hat on the head, limos, financial genius, all the things, one of the smartest guys I'd ever been around in in the wrestling space. That's that is mine. It doesn't mean I'm, again, the fans are right and I'm wrong, but that to me is, that's a heel. And the chase for that is very hard.

• 2:33:05Speaker 00

  On set, not on set, at a bar, you're wearing your

• 2:33:13Speaker 00

  like merch, pretty much, not merch, but like you have like your own American Nightmare. You're still in.

• 2:33:20Speaker 01

  One of the, so I think one of the more difficult things for me, and this is, you could be on a therapist's couch, you could be talking to a bazillion people, mental health wise, trying to figure out who you are. But one of the hardest things for me, and CVV knows I'm going to bring him up, and he asked me a question one time that I, it bothered me and I really wrestled with it. He asked me, he goes, when are you not in character? Because as a wrestler, you feel like you you split that line anyways.

• 2:33:48Speaker 00

  On a flight, you're in character.

• 2:33:49Speaker 01

  Suspension of disbelief. And that is true.

• 2:33:51Speaker 00

  At the bar, you're in character.

• 2:33:52Speaker 01

  From the moment you leave your house.

• 2:33:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:33:55Speaker 01

  To the moment you go back to your house. That's how it was for the wrestlers I liked. They were always on. They were always, hey, what do you do? Hey, what's that? What's that logo on your cuff? All like, yeah, you were always in. I don't know if that's the healthiest thing, though. I don't know. I know that I finally got an answer for that when I, when I got to the point where I had children and thought, oh, I could care less about my performance here. I just need to like, she's asking me, you know, fun questions that I right now still know the answers to and, you know, putting a 19 with the nine backwards. So I can help here, you know, like, that's, that's, that's the gift.

• 2:34:32Speaker 00

  What's this right here, Mark?

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  I don't know. That's.

• 2:34:34Speaker 04

  This is the, one of the greatest JBL heel promos of all time.

• 2:34:39Speaker 06

  Never been to five, have you, son? Never. Because if you had, you would not ask such a stupid question. Lives do not change. And I fight. Lives are broken. And I fight. When one man has to say, I quit, he's no longer a man. I've been kicking ass my entire life. Welcome to my home. While John Cena was sitting in the stands just a few years ago, rooting for whoever was fighting against me. I was winning championships. Now he says he wants to stay with the people who brought into the dance.

• 2:35:18Speaker 06

  Good. They can stay with him. They can suffer with him. They can agonize with him and they can quit with him.

• 2:35:27Speaker 06

  Because just like Babe Ruth, I'm gonna call my shot.

• 2:35:32Speaker 00

  I like that.

• 2:35:32Speaker 06

  I'm gonna make you bleed, John. I'm gonna bust you wide open. That coming down your face will not be sweat. It's gonna be blood. It's gonna get in your eyes. It's gonna get in your mouth. You're not gonna be able to see. You better go back to your rap career. You better go to your movie career. He'll run for governor of Minnesota. These idiots will elect anybody.

• 2:35:53Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 2:35:55Speaker 06

  You're not, son. You're not in my league. And you don't belong in wrestling with me because the last thing you will see through the blood in your eyes is my boot picking off your face. The last thing you will say is what you have said your entire life. I quit. And you will realize, son,

• 2:36:15Speaker 06

  that I am who I say that I am. I am a wrestling guy.

• 2:36:25Speaker 01

  Okay, here's why, here's why I love this. No barbs, no zingers.

• 2:36:32Speaker 00

  You know, the Minnesota governor was fired.

• 2:36:34Speaker 01

  Like, but, but like, there's no, he didn't treat it like a rap battle.

• 2:36:39Speaker 04

  Emotion.

• 2:36:39Speaker 01

  It's about you winning the title. You're not going to win the title. You're gonna have to say you quit and everybody's gonna quit with you. Just writing for a heel is very difficult, how I look at it, as you're not trying to, promos have really become rap battles now. What do you got in your pocket? You know what I mean? You got these zingers on one another. And those are fun, but a really, I feel like a really proper, a giving partner in those segments is the one that's lets you say all the cool stuff. Lets you, hey, I'll say this, I'll set you up. It's gonna be stiff, but you could say this, you know, and this is just a promo that's not cool.

• 2:37:18Speaker 01

  It's just direct. Not cool, direct. You're gonna, nothing cool about that. There wasn't a kid there like, I want to be JBL. No, and he's also making a promise, which if I correct this match, he does bust John Cena up. Bad. Bloody, bloody John Cena. And I bet you John Cena overcomes. But just the idea that a bad guy isn't necessarily telling falsehoods either. He might be telling you the truth.

• 2:37:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:37:45Speaker 01

  The way he's telling you, it's the way he's telling you, it's the grinding of an axe. It's really complicated. It really is.

• 2:37:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:37:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it really is.

• 2:37:53Speaker 04

  And then it looks like John Cena eventually beats him and forces him to say, I quit.

• 2:38:00Speaker 01

  Say, I quit. This guy, and you know, is it funny to pick on Josh there and say, you've never been in a fight? It's a little stiff. But also, that's perfect because the guy who just said that Josh just put JBL over by selling for that. Because JBL is now going to go out there and sell for John Cena and say, I quit. It's one collaborative effort. We have backstage, look at this.

• 2:38:21Speaker 00

  That's the fight?

• 2:38:22Speaker 01

  Bloodbath. That might have been the one. Bloodbath.

• 2:38:24Speaker 00

  Oh, my.

• 2:38:25Speaker 01

  So we have people backstage that are wonderful and I'm gonna shout them out. And this is one thing that I love that Hunter does. Kathy Kelly and Jackie Redman and when we have Byron Saxton, when we have Corey Graves and all our analysts, Joe Test, Michael Cole, of course, the voice of WWE, is everyone in the production should know the direction. Which all the way kicking back to Street Fighter was so welcoming. And again, like wrestling, it felt like wrestling to me. Oh, I know where we're all going here.

• 2:38:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:38:55Speaker 01

  So it gives me room to do, to do background, to do homework on my character because, oh, I know.

• 2:39:01Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:39:01Speaker 01

  Where this is going. Why is this guy here for this tournament? Is it for the tournament? Or is there something else? And in this case, it's, when it's done this way, everyone worked together. Everyone's sitting in that production meeting. And Triple H is really great at that, should know, hey, you backing down and being a coward for him here, you have to understand that's your role because later he's gonna be a coward and that's, that'll be his role. It's real collaborative and that we need that as an industry to survive. And again, with the new management we have.

• 2:39:33Speaker 00

  How do you balance the egos with the collaboration?

• 2:39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I want to. Earn it. So it's a great question. So some guys don't want to.

• 2:39:41Speaker 00

  So what do you do with those guys?

• 2:39:42Speaker 01

  But if they know it's right, if they know it's business, it's a matter of earning it. And this is like an example, and so much of this is inside baseball and I, it's, but it's, it's fun to talk about. If I grabbed Undertaker's leg and wanted to wring it on the post, grab it and wring it. Most guys I can pull out, split their legs, like wishbone and then wring it. Undertaker, if I pull his leg, is gonna pull back and then he's gonna pull back and I'm gonna be in a genuine struggle. And then I bet you he's gonna pop his head through the second and the bottom rope. And what you do there is you punch him square in the forehead until he finally lays back. And then you pull it and wring it. It's earning it. And I don't think we have egos that go beyond that, right?

• 2:40:26Speaker 01

  And that's proper ego. That's proper. If I'm, I'm six, seven, or whatever Taker was, I'm gonna make him earn it. Like, you can work with anybody. Dan Housen can wrestle with Gunther. And that match, when it happens, will probably be beautiful to see because Gunther's somebody you have to earn it with. And how could you possibly get anything on this guy? But if you're a pro and you understand business, there's a way. Anything can happen. That's beautiful. I mean, wrestling, you can do anything. You just gotta think, you know, which is, again, I was so excited being on set because this is how Noah was talking. It's all about thought and how could I say this? And it doesn't.

• 2:41:03Speaker 00

  Why would I do this?

• 2:41:04Speaker 01

  Why would I do this?

• 2:41:05Speaker 00

  That's the question.

• 2:41:06Speaker 01

  Why? Why would I do this?

• 2:41:08Speaker 00

  That's what I've noticed about like the, the good actors, is that like they have a real, and just from like very little experience with them and like obviously being the fucking worst actor around all like people who know what they're doing. But like, they, they start asking questions like, why would I do it? And would my character do it? And like, what would the reaction be to this? Like Code, you would ask that a lot. Noah was asking that a lot. And it's not like, how do I, it's not, I'm being an annoying actor, think about me. It's more just like, tell me why I would, why I would do it. Like, wouldn't my character be upset if this happened?

• 2:41:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:46Speaker 00

  Would they be joking around in this situation? Like, what did they actually want out of this? And it's interesting that like, I did this movie, this is, she just won Emmy. Ray Sehorn was like unfucking believable for Pluribus. Shout out, Ray. She's incredible. And it was just like acting, it was like acting one on one. It was just school. I'd just be like sitting down with her, like waiting to go on, just basically like trying to soak up tips. And she was, she was like super analytical about the scene, like every single line. She's just like breaking it down like a, like a football coach almost.

• 2:42:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:18Speaker 00

  You know, just like, yeah, what the fuck do I want here? What's stopping me from getting it here? And she said really interesting things. She's like, when you want something, you don't have to pretend to be something.

• 2:42:29Speaker 00

  Like when you, when you actually have something you want, when you're saying the lines, that comes through.

• 2:42:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:34Speaker 00

  When you don't have something that you want and something's getting in the way of it, you're like pretending to be happy or pretending to be sad and that comes through.

• 2:42:41Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 2:42:42Speaker 00

  I thought it was like a really good

• 2:42:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:44Speaker 00

  way of thinking about it, you know, without getting too deep into like the acting jumbo, but like I would just watch it with her and I'd be like, wow, it's really fucking natural.

• 2:42:52Speaker 01

  Do you know where I finally kind of said, cause you asked me, oh, hey, what do you have left to accomplish? And we were talking about the wrestling space. I, I, I hope I've been forthcoming with everyone when I, I love it. It's my life's work. There's plenty to accomplish. Maybe it's more business metrics and specifics like that. But I got the acting bug hard when we went to see, I don't know if you came to this one. I think you'd already seen it. When we saw the screening of Union County.

• 2:43:21Speaker 00

  Oh, Noah's, Noah's movie. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:43:24Speaker 01

  Well, pulled it, right?

• 2:43:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:43:26Speaker 01

  I, oh, two things happened for me in addition to getting the bug bug, but one was, were you there that night?

• 2:43:31Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 2:43:31Speaker 01

  Okay. So he invited us and I was all excited. Oh my gosh, we're going to see something we've never seen. And it was Australia where we were locked in.

• 2:43:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:43:39Speaker 01

  So we were doing things together.

• 2:43:40Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 2:43:41Speaker 01

  I didn't know what type of movie it was. So I again, have a night. I brought a bottle of Blantons

• 2:43:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:43:50Speaker 01

  in my backpack.

• 2:43:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:43:51Speaker 01

  And we were all sitting just in this little private screen room and I was going to pass it around, you know, like, oh gee, like community style. We're just going to pass this bottle around.

• 2:43:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:43:59Speaker 01

  The beginning of the movie will let you know it's not that movie that you do that for. It's, um, it heavily covers substance abuse.

• 2:44:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:44:07Speaker 01

  And I literally am pulling it out of my bag and there's, there's a, it's giving the scroll on the screen about what's happening in the rehabilitation program. And I just slowly slipped it back in my bag and go, all right, nevermind. But when I saw that, that was where for me, and I don't know, it was a similar moment to when she told you that, I was so, I called Brandy after. I was so of the thought, like I, I gotta, I, I have to start flexing this muscle.

• 2:44:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:44:33Speaker 01

  I, I really am intrigued by this.

• 2:44:35Speaker 00

  Want to get good at it.

• 2:44:35Speaker 01

  I want to get good at this because I, I'm here and this is fun and it's action and it's, and I'm, I'm, I like the choreography of the fights and things. That feels natural. But what, what these guys are doing, I, I want to do that. So.

• 2:44:50Speaker 00

  It was really, really. There is the element with like the collaborative effort with it where not every line is your line.

• 2:45:00Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:45:02Speaker 00

  You might be setting somebody up for something.

• 2:45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:05Speaker 00

  And their line is what's going to kick the scene or their line is what's going to, you know, drive home the emotion of it or whatever it is. And it's, I think it's very easy to get caught up in, especially like in, in our business, which is like, okay, we got the mic and we got to deliver here.

• 2:45:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:19Speaker 00

  Sometimes your deliver is setting up Noah who's carrying us on the fucking journey.

• 2:45:24Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:45:25Speaker 00

  If the, if the audience isn't buying Noah, we don't have a movie.

• 2:45:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:28Speaker 00

  If they're not behind Koji, we don't have a movie, right? These are the characters that we're all showing up to see. And then we get to ideally like elevate what they do.

• 2:45:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:38Speaker 00

  But I think the people who are the best there are the ones that are like, if somebody's being scary, you gotta be fucking scared.

• 2:45:44Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:45:45Speaker 00

  You know?

• 2:45:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:46Speaker 00

  If David is being Bison, he's being a villain.

• 2:45:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:50Speaker 00

  It's gotta be terrifying.

• 2:45:51Speaker 01

  Get to you. Yeah.

• 2:45:52Speaker 00

  It's right. Like, otherwise what are we doing here? Otherwise you're doing the thing in wrestling where it's like you're not selling.

• 2:45:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Where you're indicating to it's versus actually being, I think one of the things that helped with David was he's big. People may not realize David is.

• 2:46:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. I thought David was like five eight.

• 2:46:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:46:07Speaker 00

  David's my height.

• 2:46:08Speaker 01

  David is big.

• 2:46:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:46:09Speaker 01

  And I, and I think everyone may not figure that out right away.

• 2:46:12Speaker 00

  Cause he plays like coy characters that are like a little sneaky and then he walks around, you're like, oh, okay.

• 2:46:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. I had a, a dream in mind. I thought, man, if we, if we do any more of these or anything like that, I'd love to, to fight with David because in the anime, it's one of the best fights ever. Guile is so outmatched, but the effort's there. And I love that about Guile in that role. The effort to beat up Bison is there.

• 2:46:38Speaker 00

  Captain America versus Thanos.

• 2:46:39Speaker 01

  He's nowhere in the league of, and then Bison keeps using the psycho power and just, it just, one second he's there, one second he's gone. But yeah, David being big helped a lot too. The range in the movie was so fun because Momoa stuff is so, so fun.

• 2:46:53Speaker 00

  I wish we got to hang with Momoa, man.

• 2:46:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:46:55Speaker 00

  That would be really cool.

• 2:46:56Speaker 01

  He's not there when you were there.

• 2:46:57Speaker 00

  No, cause what he did is he was doing Dune as well.

• 2:46:59Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 2:47:00Speaker 00

  Which Legendary also made.

• 2:47:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:02Speaker 00

  But like him and Koji have a, a sick.

• 2:47:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:06Speaker 00

  It's so, yeah.

• 2:47:07Speaker 01

  His range is really fun. Cause it's, it's all sudden you're, I mean, Jason Momoa's in this movie. Geez, such a.

• 2:47:13Speaker 00

  Momoa.

• 2:47:14Speaker 01

  But then he's like Blanca all of a sudden. He's just Blanca to you.

• 2:47:17Speaker 00

  He like, he's like, he's like, this made me fall in love with acting again. I was like, what exactly? He's like, dude, you gotta see it. We did this thing. And like their scene, bro, there's like some emotional shit in there.

• 2:47:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:28Speaker 00

  It's like.

• 2:47:29Speaker 01

  The range on the movie is phenomenal.

• 2:47:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:47:31Speaker 01

  And Kattaw is so good.

• 2:47:32Speaker 00

  I hit up Kattaw, I was like, dude, I don't know how you did it, but you found a way to like make the Ryu Blanca fight scene, which we all have seen like in the trailer. There's like this emotional component to it later.

• 2:47:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:47:43Speaker 00

  That, I don't want to give away too much, but yeah, it was fire.

• 2:47:45Speaker 01

  Hey, you already got in trouble for playing that clip.

• 2:47:47Speaker 00

  No, no, no. This, you said it was fine.

• 2:47:49Speaker 01

  Cold face.

• 2:47:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:47:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:50Speaker 00

  Um, listen, Cody, man, I'm so excited for what's to come with you.

• 2:47:56Speaker 01

  Thank you. I'm, I'm excited for what's to come with you.

• 2:48:00Speaker 00

  Well, I'm, I have Street Fighter coming out October 16.

• 2:48:03Speaker 01

  October 16.

• 2:48:04Speaker 00

  That's where you have it coming out.

• 2:48:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:48:05Speaker 00

  As well. And, um, and then who knows what you're getting lean for, you know?

• 2:48:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:13Speaker 00

  Are you going to play the, what is it? Christian Bale's character in The Machinist?

• 2:48:17Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:48:18Speaker 00

  Is that what you're preparing?

• 2:48:19Speaker 01

  That's lean, lean. That's lean, lean. Well, we know when you get lean, it on screen looks ripped. So.

• 2:48:27Speaker 00

  Someone told me Brad Pitt for Fight Club was like a hundred 40 pounds or something like that.

• 2:48:33Speaker 01

  But just, just, just not, that is, that is not him.

• 2:48:36Speaker 00

  No, bring up Brad Pitt Fight Club.

• 2:48:39Speaker 01

  He wasn't like, we remember it different. I watched it not too long ago. He's not big. He don't look.

• 2:48:45Speaker 00

  No, he's not.

• 2:48:45Speaker 01

  Crazy. Like he looks.

• 2:48:47Speaker 00

  Look at that though.

• 2:48:48Speaker 01

  But.

• 2:48:49Speaker 00

  Also big people.

• 2:48:50Speaker 01

  He looks like somber.

• 2:48:50Speaker 00

  Are pretty lean.

• 2:48:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:53Speaker 00

  No, but on screen, it's literally just gets skinny.

• 2:48:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:57Speaker 00

  Cause it's going to puff you up.

• 2:48:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's so funny. Cause you get like real, as you kept saying on set, real porked up and porked up sometimes.

• 2:49:05Speaker 00

  Did I say that?

• 2:49:06Speaker 01

  You, you used porked up a lot on set.

• 2:49:08Speaker 00

  I feel like that was something that you were bringing to set. You were asking us to describe you as porked.

• 2:49:12Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure your literal line is you look pork.

• 2:49:14Speaker 00

  No, that's Noah.

• 2:49:15Speaker 01

  It is. You're right.

• 2:49:17Speaker 00

  Noah's line is you look porked.

• 2:49:18Speaker 01

  I stand corrected.

• 2:49:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:49:20Speaker 01

  But yeah, uh, we're, we're all just getting lean and getting healthy. Who knows what projects are ahead of us and hope, hopefully we have great projects and that's fun. I'm excited for you.

• 2:49:30Speaker 00

  Dude, I'm so excited for you, man.

• 2:49:33Speaker 01

  I'm excited for you. I'm excited for everybody. We had fun.

• 2:49:35Speaker 00

  Me too.

• 2:49:35Speaker 01

  Also the fact that we get together and have a night, you know?

• 2:49:39Speaker 00

  One of these days we should, because you haven't even had any, I think I've had like three. You barely had one. You used to be a guy.

• 2:49:45Speaker 01

  A gentleman. No, well, let's stop.

• 2:49:46Speaker 00

  You used to be a guy.

• 2:49:47Speaker 01

  He doesn't really drink. He said he's.

• 2:49:48Speaker 00

  I tried to keep it gentleman.

• 2:49:49Speaker 01

  Are you not drinking? Are you on like a health kit?

• 2:49:50Speaker 00

  I smoked a wonderful cigar and I had some of your, your abiki and it was phenomenal.

• 2:49:55Speaker 01

  You had a big, you have a big day today. Probably. That's why you're not drinking. You have a lot of things you gotta do.

• 2:49:59Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 2:50:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I also.

• 2:50:01Speaker 00

  You've changed, bro.

• 2:50:02Speaker 01

  How I changed? Who's come on your couch and got sloshed and was a good, was a good like interview? Rogan?

• 2:50:10Speaker 00

  Rogan.

• 2:50:10Speaker 01

  Rogan was?

• 2:50:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:50:11Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:50:12Speaker 00

  He was on a fistful of mushrooms, half a bottle of whiskey.

• 2:50:15Speaker 01

  I don't believe that.

• 2:50:15Speaker 00

  Forty two interviews.

• 2:50:17Speaker 01

  And he's able just to, he's so good.

• 2:50:20Speaker 00

  Dude, you could, you have talent, bro. You have talent.

• 2:50:25Speaker 01

  Where are we going?

• 2:50:25Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 2:50:26Speaker 01

  The sexual tension here is.

• 2:50:28Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 2:50:28Speaker 01

  I was like just his already.

• 2:50:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. Wait till, wait till, yeah. Wait till you see, uh, Vega.

• 2:50:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Guile in the movie does have a, a unique outlook on Vega and perhaps is.

• 2:50:39Speaker 00

  Don't give away too much, bro.

• 2:50:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:40Speaker 00

  What's this giving away shit? We're going to watch the movie record.

• 2:50:43Speaker 01

  Are you guys coming? Well, premiere's the 12th, right?

• 2:50:45Speaker 00

  Are you going to do something?

• 2:50:47Speaker 01

  When?

• 2:50:48Speaker 00

  Like, are you going to have a Cody thing?

• 2:50:49Speaker 01

  Tell me what that means.

• 2:50:52Speaker 00

  Like, are you going to do it in your hometown or something like that?

• 2:50:54Speaker 01

  A bonus round?

• 2:50:55Speaker 00

  No, but like, you know, like.

• 2:50:56Speaker 01

  No, we do. We, we, so we, cause we have the premiere and then two days later, which is the 15th, I think, or the 14th.

• 2:51:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51:02Speaker 01

  The 14th, the one that is in Atlanta at an AMC. And I don't know if they've told anyone this yet. So forgive me, Blair.

• 2:51:08Speaker 00

  No, I think we could say.

• 2:51:09Speaker 01

  We're giving information around, but in Atlanta, and then it may not just be any old bonus round. Might be all Guile. Maybe, maybe Guile even shows up.

• 2:51:17Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:51:18Speaker 01

  You know, cause they got the AMC popcorn bucket, which is big by the way.

• 2:51:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51:22Speaker 01

  And the last thing I want to see online with that popcorn bucket, cause you saw it on that day, right?

• 2:51:25Speaker 00

  It's awesome.

• 2:51:26Speaker 01

  The last thing I want to see online is people getting into fights in theaters because of that popcorn.

• 2:51:29Speaker 00

  Cause the bucket is like.

• 2:51:30Speaker 01

  Right in front of you. Yeah.

• 2:51:31Speaker 00

  You saw those memes that came out of there.

• 2:51:33Speaker 01

  Oh man, that's, that is such a cool popcorn bucket.

• 2:51:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51:35Speaker 01

  That is so cool. Yeah.

• 2:51:37Speaker 00

  So, but yeah.

• 2:51:38Speaker 01

  Before we leave, before we leave, not talking about anything crazy or anything future wise.

• 2:51:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51:46Speaker 01

  Is there a time in your?

• 2:51:48Speaker 00

  Your life, you see yourself.

• 2:51:51Speaker 01

  You never know where this goes.

• 2:51:52Speaker 00

  Settling down. You've been like a.

• 2:51:55Mark Gagnon?

  Getting married, have some kids.

• 2:51:56Speaker 00

  No, like. No, but like your life, I relate to it, man. Like I've spent the majority of my life traveling too.

• 2:52:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:52:03Speaker 00

  Right? I have kids like, but we also have a responsibility to provide for the kids, but there's also a selfishness in that responsibility. Like you've obviously earned enough to provide, but like, is there also a point in time where you go, I'm gonna set this thing aside or I'm gonna limit the amount of it.

• 2:52:21Speaker 01

  I think I used to have a number in mind for when wrestling retirement would come. But the way I've really grown with, with the current regime of WWE and yeah, and there's some unsaid heroes too. Bobby Roode, for example, and him kind of growing into a role there as, as a, as a big, big time producer on big matches. Michael Hayes is still there doing the exact same thing. Mr. Hayman, all that. One thing I have learned from them is they never have really taken, they've never stepped back from it. They've stepped into different roles. Uh, so if I, you know, potentially, I forgive me if this is breaking news and please edit it if I'm not allowed to share, uh, which is fine.

• 2:53:04Speaker 01

  I just resigned with WWE, so I'll end my wrestling career.

• 2:53:10Speaker 00

  Why would I not be able to share that?

• 2:53:11Speaker 01

  I don't know, actually.

• 2:53:13Mark Gagnon?

  I feel like we were dealing with a lot of sensitive, but you were really good about.

• 2:53:16Speaker 01

  No, but I, I'll end my wrestling career with WWE, but also my wrestling career with WWE might continue. Because we are now, I just spoke to the New York Times about this and this was such a great moment to share this is, we're now able to go do this stuff. So say I do have another project, say I got two other projects, whatever it may be. I'm able to take a step, step away and I'm able to collaborate with WWE and I'm able to come back home. I'm just saying I'm able to come back home, whatever. I'm able to do it.

• 2:53:47Mark Gagnon?

  You're, you're really circling this one thing. You're, you're.

• 2:53:50Speaker 00

  Because I, cause.

• 2:53:51Speaker 01

  But with that said, there's, when is, when is there that settle down moment, right?

• 2:53:56Speaker 00

  Are you, I don't understand what you're doing right now.

• 2:53:58Speaker 01

  I'm just saying, I can't tell you.

• 2:53:59Speaker 00

  I kind of set you up for like one thing and now you're just bragging. Now you're bragging.

• 2:54:04Speaker 01

  I am, I am.

• 2:54:04Speaker 00

  So let's just, let's just bring it back.

• 2:54:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:06Speaker 00

  Cause the heels coming out. It's so malady.

• 2:54:09Speaker 01

  It's malady. I, I don't know when settling down is, but I can say this. And you have, you have children, so you know. My parents were there for everything, pretty much at the times I needed them to be there for everything. So I'd say, like eight years old on to through how everything, every game, every event, booster club, all those, all those things. I love that they were there. I felt like I was, their business was me and my sister Teal. I'd love that for, for my two girls. So with that, it means I need to.

• 2:54:46Speaker 00

  Find.

• 2:54:46Speaker 01

  Get to work.

• 2:54:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. You need to grind now.

• 2:54:48Speaker 01

  I need to get to work. Exactly. Uh, till, till you told, you know, we were playing it earlier, till I collapse. And then I, I can, I can go, cause we've done well in our mutual spaces that we could do it now, but there's more, there's more to do.

• 2:55:02Speaker 00

  There is more to do.

• 2:55:03Speaker 01

  More to do.

• 2:55:04Mark Gagnon?

  I'm curious. You said you resigned with WWE. How is the pay structure with WWE, especially for like the newer guys? Cause like, we sometimes hear people like MMA complain about like pay. And I'm curious, I don't hear wrestlers really complain about pay.

• 2:55:17Speaker 01

  Well, the wrestling economy is, is different now because um, there's other places you can go wrestle.

• 2:55:26Mark Gagnon?

  So it's like, if you're not getting enough here, you just go to one of the other leagues?

• 2:55:29Speaker 01

  No, it's just, it's just the fact that

• 2:55:33Speaker 01

  the money, best, best way to put it, the money in wrestling and sports entertainment is very good. And I feel like if you were my dad or any of these wrestlers we talked about on that list, you'd be shocked. I, my mom didn't get it when I said, hey, X amount. She legit like.

• 2:55:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, your pops was grinding at a very.

• 2:55:52Speaker 01

  Grinding and grinding and also the, now the contracts are guaranteed and all this.

• 2:55:57Speaker 00

  Very, very different.

• 2:55:58Speaker 01

  All, all that means to me and it's like, it's a huge responsibility.

• 2:56:02Mark Gagnon?

  But like, let's say a new wrestler just got put on, like what does that look like?

• 2:56:06Speaker 01

  Man, I don't know what our developmental, I mean, everything is, is,

• 2:56:13Speaker 01

  is six, six figures. You know what? I'm actually, I'm defer because Nick has a great, Nick Khan had a great quote about, these guys are gonna do well. These guys are gonna do really well. And then these couple guys, he named a few guys, they're gonna do next level. And that next level pay is now comparable with sports. And that's the part that I'm so proud of being a wrestler because when you'd hear baseball contracts and NBA contracts, and you know, as a wrestler that you could go all over the world and be known and be seen, but you weren't on that level. You were on the level of penetration, but not that level of income. Now, uh, modern TKO and Nick have made it that you are.

• 2:56:50Speaker 00

  But is that gonna change it?

• 2:56:53Speaker 01

  You think that they're not, those, those contracts are not gonna go.

• 2:56:56Speaker 00

  No, no, no, like.

• 2:56:57Speaker 01

  To the people who.

• 2:56:59Speaker 00

  Your dad's era.

• 2:57:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57:03Speaker 00

  I don't know if anybody wrestled that didn't love it. Because they probably could have made comparable money doing something else.

• 2:57:14Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 2:57:14Speaker 00

  Like it was such a passion.

• 2:57:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57:17Speaker 00

  And it also such a grind.

• 2:57:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57:20Speaker 00

  That you had to fucking love it. Now wrestling is at the point where you're making sports money.

• 2:57:27Speaker 01

  It's a great way to put it. Yep.

• 2:57:29Speaker 00

  But with sports money comes, there's a lot of people that play sports. They don't really love that much. Now I, to play at the elite, elite, elite, if you're a seven footer in the NBA, I don't know if you love it. I know some coach told you in high school, hey.

• 2:57:42Mark Gagnon?

  Hey, you're seven foot.

• 2:57:42Speaker 00

  Play basketball. They say the game found them. If you're a six footer in the NBA, you found the game.

• 2:57:48Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:57:49Speaker 00

  So what I wonder is what happens with wrestling now that that money is comparable? Do you find, will there be people who are like, oh, I didn't make it in this.

• 2:57:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57:58Speaker 00

  But I have the physique, whatever. Let me try to figure this out. Opposed to the kid who watched wrestling their whole life. Their whole identity is built around wrestling.

• 2:58:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:58:08Speaker 00

  They fucking love the game and they will find a way to succeed in this like,

• 2:58:15Speaker 00

  I mean, the roots of it are carnival-esque business.

• 2:58:17Speaker 01

  Very much. Yeah.

• 2:58:18Mark Gagnon?

  But the inverse could be true as well, right? Like if you have like a running back that's has, it could be an NFL prospect. He's like, I also love wrestling. I wrestled in high school and like.

• 2:58:26Speaker 00

  If the love is there. If the love is there.

• 2:58:28Mark Gagnon?

  It could also be that, that case where it's like, well, I shouldn't go into wrestling. Cause I can make way more money playing in NFL. But now he's like, oh, I could do wrestling.

• 2:58:35Speaker 00

  You're right. So you could get talent that you might not have gotten.

• 2:58:38Speaker 01

  Well, one of the things with the new system.

• 2:58:39Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 2:58:40Speaker 01

  Where the NIL system and the tryout system is finding people who may not have found wrestling yet. The game is finding people.

• 2:58:46Speaker 00

  Oh, so you're getting them early.

• 2:58:47Speaker 01

  But Bianca Belair is a great example. The game found Bianca Belair. Bianca Belair fell in love with it. It, it, she was exposed to the industry and NXT.

• 2:58:57Speaker 00

  It does put, put his hooks.

• 2:58:59Speaker 01

  Right. But that's, that's the thing. If it doesn't get even a hook in you.

• 2:59:03Speaker 00

  You can't do it.

• 2:59:04Speaker 01

  Then you can't do it.

• 2:59:05Speaker 00

  You can't be successful.

• 2:59:05Speaker 01

  Because the ask of it are crazy. The other guy who came in here with me, Zach, he's, he's seen the sheet that I have to do for the next 15 days or so. You have to love it.

• 2:59:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:59:17Speaker 01

  There's, you have to love it. You have to love it and want it and not think about the grind to it all. Um, and that's a great example. The game might've found her, but now she is the game. You know what I mean? Like she is the game. That's the, and that wrestling used to be like that. Actually, it was a lot of football, a lot of baseball. The money wasn't, you weren't offering the money. You were offering the experience. Tell stories in front of a live crowd and hear them go up and hear them go down and control them.

• 2:59:42Mark Gagnon?

  Now you can do both.

• 2:59:43Speaker 01

  Now you're, now you're offering them both. Um, which is a beautiful thing. I, when I was on the Netflix red carpet for the premiere of Raw, all I could think about, and I was tearing up in every interview was all of the old Carney promoters. Bill Watts, Eddie Graham, my father, Jerry Jarrett, Vince, uh, senior, all of them. And they, I don't mean to say Carney, but all of them thinking about, that's all they ever wanted. We might break every rule here, but if they saw this, they'd go, yes.

• 3:00:14Speaker 00

  We made it. We did it.

• 3:00:15Speaker 01

  We made it.

• 3:00:15Mark Gagnon?

  You think Tom Brady competes in WWE?

• 3:00:18Speaker 01

  I would love Tom to do anything, but I was actually just about to mention Tom because I interviewed Tom at Fanatics Fest. And because we're asking about settling down, he offered the best answer and Tom's one of my favorite players of all time, right? He offered one of the best answers I've ever heard in terms of why he continued to do it at such a high level. And it's like what we were talking about with the giving back. He said, I had already won. I wanted them to win. I wanted my team to win. I wanted, they were new folks. I wanted new, I wanted them to have the same experience. And I'm paraphrasing here, but I thought that's it. When you get to a certain point, how now do you, do you share that wealth?

• 3:01:03Speaker 01

  And still there's a selfish element of it. Sure. You're still out there.

• 3:01:06Speaker 00

  Tom wants to win.

• 3:01:07Speaker 01

  Doing it. Tom wants it. You have to, to be at that level. But I do feel it was honest in saying you want that, which is why the settling down aspect of it, the, we would be nowhere in WWE today without some of the guys who didn't settle down, right? We, we, those voices backstage who collaborate with Triple H is what makes up the best product we've ever been. Like wrestling fans don't love it when it's said and they don't love it when there's a pat on the back and they want us, you'll hear words like decline and things of that nature. Earnings reports hand over hand, it's continued to grow every year since WrestleMania 37. Like it's, it's growing.

• 3:01:50Speaker 00

  Don't you want that engagement from them? Like.

• 3:01:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, that's what I meant. Like, don't be too smart for them. Let them have, let them creatively be mad at it. Let them be, don't be too smart. Don't get mad at what they said. Oh, Cody looked fat out there tonight. Great. I don't, I'm not great.

• 3:02:06Speaker 00

  I mean, you do, you are taking that seriously.

• 3:02:09Speaker 01

  They bought a ticket. Like let them have their experience. Don't coach them on how to be fan.

• 3:02:14Speaker 00

  This is one of the things I think is unique about wrestling and like its ability to embrace whatever the energy the audience brings. So the audience gets to the side of somebody is a heel or like a level, what is an anti-hero? What is that called?

• 3:02:27Speaker 01

  More of a lot of anti-heroes today. Yeah.

• 3:02:29Speaker 00

  But like, and it, and it's the embracing of it, not the force feeding. And I feel like sometimes in like traditional entertainment, there's a forcing of things.

• 3:02:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02:39Speaker 00

  That the audience objects to and they try to muscle it through.

• 3:02:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02:43Speaker 00

  And I feel like wrestling just goes, oh wait, they hate him? Good.

• 3:02:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02:47Speaker 00

  That, oh wait, they love that guy?

• 3:02:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02:50Speaker 00

  Good.

• 3:02:50Speaker 01

  We can work with that.

• 3:02:52Speaker 00

  There is a. I don't know, there's like a fluidity.

• 3:02:56Speaker 04

  It's like the OG algorithm.

• 3:02:58Speaker 00

  Low key.

• 3:02:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:02:59Speaker 00

  No, go on that. That's a fucking great.

• 3:03:02Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, like, the algorithm is, like, pretty meritocratic in the sense that it just, like, prioritizes people that garner the most attention, or like garner the most disrepute.

• 3:03:09Speaker 00

  Whether they're, whether they're negative or positive, it just prioritizes them.

• 3:03:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:03:14Speaker 00

  And wrestling rides the algorithm before the algorithm fucking existed. The algorithm is the people cheering or booing.

• 3:03:21Speaker 04

  It's a real-time algorithm.

• 3:03:22Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. It's real time.

• 3:03:23Speaker 00

  And they're not afraid of it.

• 3:03:24Speaker 01

  It's real time. And then, but to, to the old force feed, the old element of that, of picking someone, saying, you're him, you're her.

• 3:03:33Speaker 01

  If you've got the right people who made the choice.

• 3:03:35Speaker 00

  They know how to set you up.

• 3:03:36Speaker 01

  They, well, it also, they know how to set you up, but it may not happen right away.

• 3:03:41Speaker 00

  And you gotta have faith in that.

• 3:03:42Speaker 01

  Don't panic. I heard somebody quote 10 years the other day, and modern fans were like, 10 years? I'm not waiting 10 years. You might and not realize it.

• 3:03:50Speaker 00

  Tell me, what does that mean?

• 3:03:50Speaker 01

  Like, it took 10 years for me to get to, somebody had said it took him 10 years to finally be seen in the spot.

• 3:03:56Speaker 00

  This is, this is the, uh.

• 3:03:57Speaker 01

  You might not have, but then in 10 years, when the light bulb goes off, it went off brighter than anyone else.

• 3:04:02Speaker 00

  I, I, I see this with, uh.

• 3:04:04Speaker 01

  So it's, if you had the right people making the choice, and going, that's, that's him, that's her.

• 3:04:08Speaker 00

  I always text you guys, they're like, I'm looking at, and I think are interesting, like Javon, and I'll see him do just like these amazing fucking things, and I'm like, so connected to it. And like, the, the faith that the people in charge also recognize that are, are gonna build him in a way.

• 3:04:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04:24Speaker 00

  Where when he's, has a belt around his waist, the audience wants him to have that belt around his waist. And there is a difference between, and I'm not saying he's an example of this, but like, I would imagine, a hot song and like a legacy.

• 3:04:40Speaker 01

  That's the whole thing. That's, that's over versus popular.

• 3:04:43Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Over versus popular.

• 3:04:45Speaker 01

  Over versus, I, there's plenty of guys who are popular, and I love them. I'm glad they're on the show. There's, say their catchphrase, uh, crowd reacts, but then there's over. And over sounds different. It sounds different. It's not just screaming and yelling, it's.

• 3:04:58Speaker 00

  When you hear the glass break.

• 3:04:59Speaker 01

  It's like, well, it's like we talked about Chappelle. You were just, if you can do a promo in 2026, where no one is in the ring with you, no one's there, and you're just talking, and your opponent's not gonna come out, and there's not gonna be some hot moment, you're just directly gonna say in three minutes or seven minutes, whatever it may be, about a match you have coming up or a scenario, and they listen, you're, you're, you're playing different.

• 3:05:23Speaker 00

  That's over.

• 3:05:24Speaker 01

  That's, that's over. If they, and they flat out just listen. That, that, there's little things, and I don't even know. To me, it's this inescapable unicorn is what really over is. I only think maybe two guys, maybe three are, are, are over.

• 3:05:42Speaker 00

  Who?

• 3:05:42Speaker 01

  Uh, The Rock, John Cena, and one unnamed.

• 3:05:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, is that person still there?

• 3:05:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:05:50Speaker 00

  Copy. I think we know, I think we know what you're saying.

• 3:05:52Speaker 01

  Probably, yeah. I'm not saying me.

• 3:05:55Speaker 00

  I think you're saying.

• 3:05:56Speaker 01

  No, I wasn't. That would be very Mulaney. Uh, no, would it be Mulaney? No, I'm not saying.

• 3:06:00Speaker 00

  I can't believe you've just maligned your comedy, comedy equivalent.

• 3:06:05Speaker 01

  I, did I malign my, my boy? Damn it, I'm screwed up.

• 3:06:09Speaker 04

  That's your kinfolk, you gotta respect.

• 3:06:10Speaker 01

  No, but that, and I only set that as a bar, not because I, I want people to be like, that's such a weird absolute. I just, that's the bar we're supposed to shoot for. Like, where your name announced the night before, and people flood Ticketmaster to see, like, that, that, that's not just a carny sales element, that's they're connected to you.

• 3:06:29Speaker 04

  He didn't wanna say Roman.

• 3:06:34Speaker 01

  I didn't say anything. I'm not, I'm not trying to put, I'm not trying to create news for.

• 3:06:39Speaker 00

  You don't have to say anything. But yes, obviously, he is a, yeah.

• 3:06:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:06:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, that's really interesting.

• 3:06:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:06:47Speaker 00

  And good for the game.

• 3:06:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that, that, that, we need all that, you know, and there, there are more. I, I said.

• 3:06:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's four.

• 3:06:55Speaker 01

  That, you know, maybe, maybe four or five.

• 3:06:59Speaker 00

  I will, I will, I know, I, you know.

• 3:07:01Speaker 01

  Those are the ones I always look at.

• 3:07:03Speaker 00

  I don't think you'd be against this, I don't think you'd be against this, but, uh,

• 3:07:08Speaker 00

  Roman's great in a movie, though.

• 3:07:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you, I saw it.

• 3:07:13Speaker 00

  He's great in a movie.

• 3:07:14Speaker 01

  He, he, he's phenomenal. I think everyone knows that.

• 3:07:18Speaker 00

  He's so good.

• 3:07:19Speaker 01

  You, you have taken this down a road that.

• 3:07:23Speaker 00

  Guys, Cody Rhodes, everybody.

• 3:07:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:07:27Speaker 00

  Oh, yes. You're a fucking man. Dude, that was great.