Pod Insights Financial Tea with Mrs. Dow Jones Upper East Side Nanny Paycheck Reveal About this episode What if the smartest career move in 2025 isn't climbing the corporate ladder — it's standing next to the people who own it? This week, Haley sits down with her cousin Talley, a luxury nanny on the Upper East Side pulling in $148K with full benefits, international travel, and more free time than your average analyst. They get into the real comp breakdown, the emotional labor nobody warns you about, the playground gossip, and why entry-level white collar work is quietly disappearing while household staffing is having a moment. Plus, Haley's own childhood nanny, Claudette, joins to share her POV on what it's really like to be a nanny.. If you've ever written off childcare as "just babysitting," this episode will change your mind.
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2:31 Haley Sacks? What's up, rich people? It's me, Haley, AKA Mrs. Dow Jones, and this is Financial Tea.
2:39 Haley Sacks? What's up, sippers? Welcome back to Financial Tea, the podcast where I teach you how to build wealth with a side of market drama, money scandals, and of course, financial pop culture. Now, I want you to picture this. You're 24, you're making six figures, you have full benefits, a retirement plan, and you spend your winters in Aspen and summers in the Hamptons. You eat gourmet meals prepared by a private chef, you're chauffeured around the city, and you travel the world on someone else's dime. Here's the catch: you're not a CEO, you're not in finance, you're not in corporate America, you're a nanny. And before you roll your eyes, this is not the babysitting you're thinking about for $15 an hour.
3:20 Haley Sacks? In cities like New York and LA, experienced full-time nannies can pull 100K plus pay packages with benefits. Think about it, childcare costs have exploded, and for households at the top, it's sort of a non-negotiable line item. Now, I want us to zoom out again because we also have to think about where we're at right now in the economy, because the episode isn't really just about nannying. It's also about where power is shifting in the new world. Entry-level, white-collar work, I mean, I'm sure you've seen all the headlines like in finance or marketing or consulting, is really getting replaced by AI. And it used to be the launchpad, it used to be stable, it used to be something that you could move up in. But those junior tasks are now the most exposed to automation because AI can just like write the copy
4:04 Haley Sacks? or summarize the meeting, and it doesn't need a health insurance or a signing bonus. So you're already seeing major firms slow down junior hiring and pour millions into automation AI instead. So whereas corporate used to mean predictability, now It sort of just means layoffs every 18 months, efficiency initiatives and waking up to see if your slack still works. Meanwhile, hyper wealthy households still need humans. They need someone to run logistics, to manage staff, to coordinate travel, to oversee children, to execute in the real world. Because you can't automate labor or discretion or physical presence. I mean, at least not yet. So what's happening?
4:47 Haley Sacks? We're seeing power shift away from the middle of the org chart and towards ownership, towards capital, and for entry level people towards proximity to capital. And some young people are making a very rational decision. They're like, if the ladder feels unstable, why don't I just stand next to the people who own it? So today we are going behind the scenes of a very wealthy household with Tally, my cousin, okay, the rumors are true, who is a luxury nanny on the Upper East Side, who pulls in six figures with benefits and has real leverage. And later, very special guest, my childhood nanny Claudette is going to join us to talk about how this job has evolved over decades and what it was really like to be a nanny.
5:31 Haley Sacks? But first, before we get into billionaires and benefits and household power dynamics, let's start with the MDJ market report and see where the money is moving today.
5:44 Haley Sacks? Okay, welcome to this week's Mrs. Dow Jones Market Report. It is snowing outside. It is probably illegal that I am in my office. I did have to break in to record this, but the sippers needed it. These are the stories you need to know about Wall Street happening right now. And we weren't going to miss it. So our first story is actually crazy. Okay, so first up, we do need to talk about tariffs. And it was basically chaos in DC this weekend, you guys. On Friday, in a shocking turn of events, the Supreme Court officially slapped down on Trump's tariffs and called them illegal. So stocks rallied for like five minutes because within hours, Trump found a loophole.
6:25 Haley Sacks? He basically pulled a hold my beer and invoked Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, which gives the president 150 days of total tariff free reign before Congress even gets a vote. So he was like, oh, you want to stop my tariffs? Actually, you can't. He started at 10% on Friday. By Saturday, he was already at 15%, which was the legal limit. So basically, the Supreme Court did not stop the trade war. They just basically forced him to change the font on the paperwork. But here is the real tea for your wallet. I feel like everyone is obsessing over the 160 billion in illegal tariffs
7:05 Haley Sacks? that the government now has to potentially refund to big corporations like Target and Walmart. But the question that I have is like, where's our refund? Because the truth is, when things got more expensive because of tariffs, those companies didn't eat the cost. They passed 96% of that burden on to us, on to the consumer directly. So we've already paid for this, like in $7 cartons of eggs, in $12 six packs, in the price of your new sneakers, and the price of the new iPhone even. And the billionaires and the big box stores are going to have these like high-priced lawyers filing motions to get their billions back. But like us consumers, we're just going to be held
7:49 Haley Sacks? holding a receipt for a lifestyle that got 15% more expensive. It feels like a massive transfer of wealth where they get a refund for something that we already paid for. This specific law expires in 150 days though. So if like you are eyeing a big purchase, like a TV or car, I would wait it out, wait it out. Don't pay the chaos premium in February if the law might vanish by summer. Our next story is about America's Next Top Model. The documentary is on Netflix. And the show was so successful. It generated literally like $2 billion in revenue. But what is so shocking is that the actual contestants, like the people who were doing the work, creating the content, modeling, were reportedly paid just $40 a day.
8:33 Haley Sacks? And they had to pay for their own food and their own alcohol. Like, and they weren't even billed as employees. They were independent contractors. How crazy is that? And I feel like this is a really good financial lesson about like how you are the asset. Like the second that you sign over your likeness or your labor or your content. For exposure, you're just doing America's Next Top Model math. And America's Next Top Model math means Tyra gets the check and you just get like a photo shoot in a burlap sack. Okay, and everyone is losing their minds over Carolyn Basak Kennedy's closet right now. We all want to be wearing tortoiseshell headbands. But I need you to understand that her 1996 street style and the 2026 S and P 500 are currently telling the exact same story.
9:18 Haley Sacks? There was just an article in the Wall Street Journal about a term called halo stock. Shout out to downtown Josh Brown for coining it. And halo stands for heavy assets, low obsolescence. Okay, wait, before your eyes glaze over, let me just break down what this actually means. Okay, so heavy assets means companies that own like massive, expensive, physical things. So think like mines, pipelines, factories, fleets of aircraft, like things that take years and billions of dollars to build and can't be like copy pasted by a startup in a garage. And lower obsolescence means their core product cannot be replaced by an app update. Like copper is still copper, babe.
10:00 Haley Sacks? A combined harvester does not become irrelevant because someone shipped a new iPhone. So while software companies are getting crushed, I mean, the NASDAQ is struggling. AI adjacent names have taken serious hits on fear of disruption. Investors are now rotating hard into the physical world. So like Caterpillar randomly is up over 24% this year alone. Walmart just hit a $1 trillion market cap and is up nearly 70% over the last two years. I mean, these are boring, dependable, undefeated companies. And that's the entire point because this isn't just about stocks. It's about an aesthetic. And honestly, Carolyn Basak Kennedy, our girl was doing this in 1996. You never saw that woman messing with a disruptible trend.
10:46 Haley Sacks? She never wore a bubble skirt. She never wore a YSL track jacket. No logo mania for her. She never did anything that needed a software update. She was timeless. She bought infrastructure. That Prada floor length navy wool coat, that's caterpillar. Piller baby. It's heavy. It's built to last and it's completely indifferent to what the trend report said. What about those straight leg Levi's that she wore with everything? I mean, come on, that's Exxon Mobil. It's foundational. It's survived every fashion cycle since 1873. What about her Calvin Klein slip dress? I mean, that's Walmart. It's quietly undefeated and everyone wishes they had bought it earlier. And so here's the financial lesson, and it's almost embarrassingly simple as they always are. We have spent a decade worshiping the
11:29 Haley Sacks? digital cloud and 2026 is sort of just like quietly reminding us that you cannot actually live in one. Like a chatbot can tell you exactly how to build a house and how to style a trench coat, but it can't swing the hammer or like sew the seam. So don't buy the hype, buy the heavy. Carolyn figured this out 30 years ago and it feels like the S and P 500 is just now catching up. Okay, now let's dive into our episode on Upper East Side nannies because that is some serious financial tea.
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13:00 Haley Sacks? Okay, welcome to the show. Hi, hi, Tally. Okay, so you are nanny extraordinaire on the Upper East Side.
13:07 Speaker 05 I am.
13:07 Haley Sacks? Let's just rip the Band-Aid off, queen. How much do you make? Like walk me through your comp package.
13:14 Speaker 05 So yeah, it's interesting. I'm in a A unique position with, you know, my nanny work experience. I started off with like a good $10 an hour, like most of us do babysitting. Yeah, been there. And when I graduated college, I wasn't able to jump into the corporate world like I had thought I would be able to, um, just because I wasn't passion driven. And so I slowed my role and I was like, what am I good at? And it's being with kids and I'm now bringing in like total package is like 148. Damn. Damn. Damn.
13:57 Speaker 05 Um, and so my base is like 125 and then I have my like health insurance stipend. So, um, yeah, I'm, I'm comfortable. So what perks come with the job that most people wouldn't expect? I travel to incredible places and I am also like quietly working on professional skills. I think in a way that like doesn't feel so obvious or like hard skill focused, which is a perk because I'm also like given an incredible amount of free time during the day. Um, and I mean, that alone is like an incredible perk. I could start my own business on the side with the amount of time I have.
14:39 Speaker 05 So you give them back time, but you also have a ton of free time within the day. Definitely. It's mutual. Yeah. Walk us through like what a typical day looks like. What are your hours? Um, 7:30 to six and school, I'm like done with drop off and whatnot by nine and then I have from like nine to 1:30 to do my own thing. And then they get home after school and from like three to six, we're chilling. We're doing homework and dinner and I usually like will make, I will cook in that. What kind of things are you cooking up? It depends. They like love a chicken pot pie. Ooh, I didn't know you had it like that, girl. Like a mini chicken pot pie, hockey, raised egg. Damn, it's true.
15:24 Speaker 05 Um, and
15:27 Speaker 05 Like a crispy chicken cutlet.
15:29 Haley Sacks? Wow.
15:29 Speaker 05 They have some advanced palettes, yeah. I mean crispy chicken cutlet is like baby food, but you know what I mean. Um, so yeah, it's a lot of that and they like love to help and I think they're both, um, they're at a point where they're like taking responsibility and they're like recognizing that they have autonomy and it's exciting to see that.
15:50 Haley Sacks? They're growing up before your eyes.
15:51 Speaker 05 Yeah. It becomes, you know, a little more integrated when they're home because I have to actually like step up and be a part of the family in like a shadowy way, which is an interesting part of the job. I think like finding a way to be as helpful as you can, but also like recognizing that you're an extension of the family. You're not actually
16:11 Haley Sacks? In the family.
16:11 Speaker 05 In the family, which is a difficult thing. I know like growing up with sitters and, and nannies and whatnot, you always find comfort in the fact that these people are so, so closely integrated into what you think of as your nuclear, nuclear family. And so,
16:26 Speaker 05 it's been hard for me to kind of like let go of that expectation, but there is a boundary ultimately of like professional and, and family. And sometimes those lines are crossed in this job.
16:38 Haley Sacks? Yeah. What way has that happened?
16:40 Speaker 05 Just like forgetting that it's a job, you know, um, and like feeling the weight of growing up through these children and like wanting to show up for them and, and ways that feel important because you love them and you're with them and, um, and you don't get that in a corporate environment, you know, you're not like.
16:58 Haley Sacks? You're not like in love with, you're like love your coworkers. You're not like rubbing their back, like, do you have a stomach ache?
17:03 Speaker 05 No, let's cuddle.
17:06 Haley Sacks? Yeah, let's cuddle. How'd you sleep?
17:08 Speaker 05 Yeah. And so it, it's, it's these like really tiny intricacies of just like being a kid growing up that you have to show up for and it's, it's special and it's hard and, um. Yeah, it's rewarding in its own right. So.
17:22 Haley Sacks? I was a nanny for many years and I.
17:25 Speaker 05 Winthrop.
17:25 Haley Sacks? Winthrop, but I also had Vera on Martha's Vineyard and I would live with them in the summer. And they're, the parents were going through a split and so she was quite vulnerable, the little girl. And I, we would sleep in the same room and I just remember like having to like tell her stories or like rub her back before bed or like just like very like sweet intimate maternal moments that.
17:47 Speaker 05 Yeah, they count on you in a, in a maternal way.
17:49 Haley Sacks? Yeah.
17:50 Speaker 05 But then there's like, you know, you have to remember at the end of the day, like you're not mommy.
17:55 Haley Sacks? Yeah, I never, Winthrop never thought I was mommy.
17:57 Speaker 05 Yeah. Sorry, Winthrop.
18:02 Haley Sacks? You have obviously other friends who are working in corporate, they're working in finance. So you have these more traditional like consulting roles maybe. And so how much are they making versus you? Cause it feels like at 26, making 148K, you must be out earning a lot of them.
18:19 Speaker 05 I think ye- yes, that's true. For the most part, because a lot of them like continued professional school. I would say like at least 50% of the people I graduated with are in a master's program of some sort.
18:36 Speaker 05 Which just delays.
18:37 Haley Sacks? Yeah.
18:37 Speaker 05 And that's what it felt like to me. Like if, if I went into that, it wouldn't be, wouldn't be because it was like passion driven, it would be because I needed more time.
18:45 Haley Sacks? Yeah.
18:45 Speaker 05 Um, and so this gave me the opportunity to do both things, like delay and make money.
18:51 Haley Sacks? And make money.
18:52 Speaker 05 But yeah, a lot of them, I mean, I'm at the point now where a lot of my friends are like graduating from those programs and they're going into the workforce and um, no matter what, because of the experience that I have, I will be taking a pay cut of some sort, I imagine, when I do leave. And I think that's what's stopping me from taking, you know, making the jump because I'm so comfortable with what I'm making and ultimately in New York City, it's not very much, you know, like.
19:21 Haley Sacks? Oh my gosh.
19:22 Speaker 05 A hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars doesn't get you an incredible amount. And that's the worst part about all of this is like.
19:29 Haley Sacks? You have to live here.
19:30 Speaker 05 A lot. Yeah. But it, it feels like a lot, but after taxes and all the other expenses of just like being alive.
19:39 Speaker 05 It's not what I want. And I think it's just because I'm like aspirational and money driven that like it will never be enough. And so that I know if I take another job in like an entry level role or whatever, or I find a way to finesse this experience into something more senior or or something along those lines in a corporate environment, then I could match it. But right now it feels like no matter what, I'm gonna have to compromise.
20:08 Haley Sacks? Yeah. So like if you if you leave nannying, then you'll have to take a pay cut.
20:11 Speaker 05 Yeah.
20:13 Haley Sacks? But also, what's interesting too for your generation, because you're obviously younger than me, is like you're seeing so many of those entry level jobs sort of disappear.
20:21 Speaker 05 Yeah.
20:21 Haley Sacks? Like, it's really hard to break into a career path. And so you're seeing a lot of young people go for these more like nannying type, like just
20:33 Speaker 05 Things that are conventionally side hustles that are being legitimized into actual
20:37 Haley Sacks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they you make a lot of money, but also they're safe. It's not like you can outsource, you know, what you're doing.
20:45 Speaker 05 No.
20:45 Haley Sacks? It's a computer is not going to take over your role.
20:48 Speaker 05 No, and I think that's the exciting thing about this field for the career nannies is like they'll always be there. And there will come a point when, you know, this kind of salary is just the expectation because it has to be, you know, I think people are still, I know many people who are still getting $20 an hour and are getting paid under the table. And, you know, the standard is that babysitters and nannies get paid under the table for that reason, because the pay is just so astronomically low that like without being paid under the table, they would take home nothing. It's in no way a livable wage. And so I think, you know, over the next few years, when AI becomes everything as it already is, like
21:31 Speaker 05 these kind of roles, these like household staffing roles are gonna have to be amped up and like paid their dues because they can't be replaced. You're right. Like unless you get a robot.
21:42 Haley Sacks? Why do you have so much desire to leave nannying?
21:46 Speaker 05 I don't.
21:47 Haley Sacks? I hate a lot. And we feel like there's like not that many like, you know, white collar jobs that are available.
21:55 Speaker 05 It's not so much that I have a desire to leave. I think it's just, you know, because I went to school for something else, because I hustled so hard in school.
22:06 Speaker 05 I have this part of me that just remains unfulfilled by what I'm doing because it's not like intellectually simulating in any way. The challenge is more like, how do I show up for these people in the way that they need me? And that's rewarding in itself. But I think when I think about, you know, where I see myself 10 years from now, I want to think about being with my own family when that happens. And this takes an incredible amount from you. And like, the emotional sense and the physical sense, it's like ultimately like a labor job.
22:41 Haley Sacks? Yeah.
22:42 Speaker 05 I walk like 20,000 steps a day. And I'm proud of it. But it's a lot. It's exhausting. And I think I'm ready for someone to like, tell me what to do. And, you know, I love the people that I work with. And if I didn't, I would have been gone. But
23:02 Speaker 05 I'm lucky in that way again, that, you know, a lot of people don't have a choice. They just like have to stick, stick with whoever they get matched with, especially if they're like through an agency. They don't have a choice but to kind of deal with it.
23:15 Haley Sacks? But wait, explain the agency structure. So how did you get your job? And then how do agencies work? Like, what are, what's their cut?
23:22 Speaker 05 So, an agency typically takes 15 to 25% of the nanny's first year of salary.
23:30 Haley Sacks? Because like in corporate recruiting, view as a recruiter, they take a piece of the salary, but I would have to pay that to the recruiter. It would never come out of the salary of who I was hiring.
23:40 Speaker 05 Yeah, I mean, the structure is different for every agency. Madison Agency is like a huge one that I think a lot of.
23:48 Haley Sacks? I want to help you start an agency.
23:50 Speaker 05 Yeah. One of my bosses is ready to go. We're ready, we're ready to go. We just haven't made it happen.
23:58 Haley Sacks? Okay, wait, explain the agency thing and then we'll talk about your next step.
24:02 Speaker 05 I think, I think I have. I'm in a good position because I have the experience of being the nanny and he has the experience of being a father. I'm talking about one of my bosses. And so it would be this like, perfect balance of what people are looking for and what people are getting. And I don't think that's standard in an agency. I think you just have like, this hustling group of recruiters. It's like, matchmakers, you know?
24:30 Haley Sacks? Yeah, literally.
24:31 Speaker 05 And it's hard, especially when, you know, the family has like, young children and they've never done this before and they don't know what they're looking for. They don't know if they're looking for a housekeeper or someone to watch their kids. And they ask for too much or they ask for too little. And so the people just never fit.
24:47 Haley Sacks? Where would you recruit your nannies from? Like, would you want to get like, you know, young people, the way that you were out of college to do this?
24:56 Speaker 05 Yes. Most of the people that I find are, just like, being, I find through being brave at like, the playground. And I'm just like, what do you do? How long have you been doing this?
25:06 Haley Sacks? Well, so you're sort of like, are you happy with your family?
25:08 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. We have those conversations. Yeah. And if they're not, I'm like, run, let's find you someone else.
25:14 Haley Sacks? So talk to us a little bit about the other nannies. Cause there's gotta be like, a whole crew on the Breeze side. You're going to the playground. Yeah. So it's like, are those your homies? Like, do you know how much they're making?
25:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, I have, there are ranges of...
25:28 Haley Sacks? Where are they from?
25:29 Speaker 05 There are ranges, ranges. Yeah, I know a lot who are kind of sitting at that 30 to 35 range. And they're doing this as kind of like, a stepping stone. And, you know, whether it's for like, acting, or, you know, they're theater kids who are like, growing up to do things in New York and they need a side hustle. But I see more and more people who have like, found a way to... Really take advantage of this and like are putting those other things aside and sticking with it because it's just so lucrative, especially when you're getting paid under the table and you get to just like run with all that money. And I think I told you about this, but there was this woman I met at the playground who
26:13 Speaker 05 came to New York for, you know, some like banking job and she decided she hated it. And so she started doing a masters in something else and she ultimately got connected with this like Southern belle who was like a connector, a liaison between the South and, you know, high net worth families in New York. And she connected this woman that I met at the park to a family on Fifth Ave. And now she's like done with the masters she was planning on doing and she's like in this to stay. And you see a lot of that because of agencies just like having the connect. And, you know, that's the, the great part about an agency, but then again, they take
26:56 Speaker 05 like 15 to 25% of your salary for that first year. And that's a big cut, so.
27:03 Haley Sacks? That's a huge cut. What's something that you've had to handle that like the job description would just never have included?
27:12 Speaker 05 Several years ago, when I like first started getting interested in this idea of, of doing this legitimately, I went on this app called Bambino, which is like Tinder for babysitting. So you have the families who are scrolling through babysitter profiles and they can like pick you and, and message you and you go from there. And I had connected with this family that was visiting from Germany and the parents were divorced and I agreed, I was like, okay, let's do this. It was a babysitting job and, um, you know, the, the expectation was that I was putting the boy to bed and it was game over, whatever.
27:53 Speaker 05 And they ultimately like went out to White Plains for a wedding and the boy was. Just different. He was not as expected. He told me I wasn't gonna leave there alive. Um, yeah, scary.
28:05 Haley Sacks? Wait.
28:05 Speaker 05 Like throwing lampshades at me.
28:07 Haley Sacks? No.
28:07 Speaker 05 Like it was a violent, violent incident. Um, five? Yeah. Um, I think at the end of the day, like, there was a lot more going on there. It was like the trauma of whatever was going on at home and I was just a good person to project at, but I mean, that, that's something.
28:27 Haley Sacks? That's crazy.
28:29 Speaker 05 I called and called and called until they came home, but, um, but, you know, that happens a lot with babysitting jobs in particular. Like you do a one night stand situation and kids are just different and like sometimes you're not ready for the incredible amount of,
28:51 Speaker 05 you know, trauma or grief or like frustration, like the behavioral issues that they're managing. Um, and they're never gonna tell you that. Like, you're never gonna know that like a kid's biting or throwing things and that's, you have to find that out. Like, you have to get bit, you know?
29:07 Haley Sacks? To get bit.
29:07 Speaker 05 Yeah.
29:08 Haley Sacks? What surprises you most about working for a rich family? Like access, travel, accommodations? Like, what is that really like?
29:16 Speaker 05 I mean, for some of these families who are, you know, like, who live half the year in Aspen and then half the year in the Hamptons, like, they exist and, you know, the nannies are getting put up in like their own homes and, and they have their own cars and it's a very, I mean,
29:36 Haley Sacks? You could take this to a crazy level if you wanted to.
29:39 Speaker 05 Like I'm, and in comparison to those like really agency-driven jobs, I'm nowhere near there.
29:45 Haley Sacks? So like if you wanted to work for like a billionaire family or something, you would have to.
29:48 Speaker 05 Agency.
29:49 Haley Sacks? Agency.
29:50 Speaker 05 And those, I mean.
29:50 Haley Sacks? And they, I heard, get a lot of them from England.
29:53 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are a lot, because they have those, they have like nanny universities.
29:56 Haley Sacks? Yes, I knew a billionaire.
29:58 Speaker 05 I should go.
29:58 Haley Sacks? Yes, you should go to any university. I'll sponsor you.
30:01 Speaker 05 Thank you. Um, but, yeah.
30:04 Haley Sacks? Higher learning.
30:05 Speaker 05 A lot of them, yeah, a lot of them are coming from abroad and it's like the au pair transitions into just like full-time live-in. Forever, you know, there's, there's no expiration date on how long they stay. But the agencies do like background checks and the references are extensive. And it is like heavy duty.
30:25 Haley Sacks? Yeah. And you're sort of expected to be like a teacher, too.
30:29 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It becomes, you become tutor, you become parent, you become like everything.
30:34 Haley Sacks? And like etiquette coach, too.
30:35 Speaker 05 Yeah, I know. I saw that.
30:36 Haley Sacks? Yes, yes, yes, yes.
30:38 Speaker 05 That's not me.
30:39 Haley Sacks? Yeah. You're like, well, you're like fun.
30:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, I'm the fun older sister.
30:43 Haley Sacks? You're fun older sis, but you're not like.
30:45 Speaker 05 We get crumbs everywhere. We have elbows on the table.
30:48 Haley Sacks? Yeah, you're like, life is messy.
30:49 Speaker 05 Yeah, get messy. You're a kid. You're supposed to get messy.
30:52 Haley Sacks? You remind me in the parent trap of, of the, of the nanny.
30:56 Speaker 05 That's such a compliment.
30:57 Haley Sacks? Which is such a compliment, but like, I would want you to.
30:59 Speaker 05 And my nanny fam calls me Mary Poppins.
31:01 Haley Sacks? You are.
31:01 Speaker 05 I'll take it.
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32:04 Haley Sacks? What do you think about outsourcing your childcare? Like, do you think that the mom has guilt or like is jealous of you or the dad?
32:10 Speaker 05 A hundred percent. I, I, jealousy, no. I think, at least in, at least in what I, in the family that I work with. I think I understand my role very clearly and they have great parents who are like present. And I think that's a distinction with a lot of families is that, you know, they're outsourcing help because they can't show up.
32:33 Speaker 05 But then you have the families like, you know, I know who are outsourcing help because they just need help, not because they're not there. And it becomes really hard for a nanny or a babysitter to make it happen if they're playing the role of both parents, you know? And I've seen that like over the course of my time doing this, I've met so many women who are like, I can't do it anymore. Because it destroys them having to carry the weight of a family that isn't theirs, you know? It's a heavy role.
33:04 Haley Sacks? That's so true. Like, it's like, if the job functions perfectly, as it should, then you're not doing that.
33:11 Speaker 05 There's a balance.
33:12 Haley Sacks? Yes, you're not doing that emotional lift as well. You're just doing logistics, cooking, whatever.
33:17 Speaker 05 And that's a huge difference. If you have to, like, put the kids to sleep every night reminding them that, like, you know, their parents will be home, if you're a live-in nanny too, that's, that's a line I could not cross, you know? I would never be a live-in for those reasons, because it makes it really hard to go home and like, not feel that emotional burden to the children.
33:39 Haley Sacks? With my nanny, with Claudette, I feel like what was hard was she came to America from Guyana with a young son, and then this was a great job for her to get, because low barrier to entry, she loves kids, great, and she can make a lot of money and support her family.
33:57 Speaker 05 Yeah.
33:58 Haley Sacks? But then it like made it so that she couldn't take care of her own kid.
34:00 Speaker 05 Which is the greatest issue. Like, you're getting paid to work, but you're paying someone else to take care of your kid. Where's the, where's?
34:07 Haley Sacks? Yeah, what's the delta? Yeah.
34:09 Speaker 05 Claudette.
34:10 Haley Sacks? Claudette, we love her. So you don't see this as long-term? This is a stepping stone?
34:15 Speaker 05 For now. If something happens overnight where like, I really get on, get on with this idea of an agency, then cool, I think it could be awesome, but I also feel like something's missing.
34:31 Haley Sacks? And what do you think would make this industry better for nannies?
34:36 Speaker 05 I think like an industry standard for pay. I think it's embarrassing. How parents are okay with paying so little for childcare. It's like you're getting a manicure for $90, but you won't pay a woman 20 more dollars. I know, me too, and mine are coming up. But it's, it's just, it doesn't need to be like that. Like if they have disposable income, they can make it happen for these women. And they're like, nannies are the hardest working people in showbiz. They just, it doesn't stop. And so they deserve it.
35:15 Haley Sacks? And with, with your friends, do you ever feel judged? Or like, have you, you clearly judge yourself a little bit, but like what?
35:23 Speaker 05 I think it's more self-inflicted. Yeah. I think it's hard sometimes for me if I'm in like, if I'm meeting new people and they're like, what do you do? And I'm like, I'm a nanny. And I think I try to rephrase it like I'm a house manager to, to kind of like contort it to the way I need it to sound.
35:40 Haley Sacks? But what I'm saying is like, I think that now this is going to be so much more normalized.
35:44 Speaker 05 Yeah. And people are like, that's incredible. You must have so much fun doing that. And it is like, I should silence those thoughts because it is incredible. And like, it's fun and I get to be a kid.
35:54 Haley Sacks? And it's AI-proof.
35:56 Speaker 05 And it's AI-proof. That's the best part of it.
35:57 Haley Sacks? Yeah, that's why you really are in it. Um, okay. Love you so much. Thank you for coming.
36:03 Speaker 05 Thank you for having me.
36:04 Haley Sacks? You're the best. We got the tea.
36:09 Haley Sacks? All right. So we have talked about the new generation of nannies, but I only thought it was right to round out the episode to now talk to someone who has been doing this for decades and who actually was my nanny. Um, this is Claudette. This is very exciting that you're here.
36:29 Haley Sacks? Claudette was my nanny since I was six months old. Tell them Claudette.
36:33 Speaker 07 I love you Hale.
36:34 Haley Sacks? I love you so much.
36:36 Speaker 07 I start working with Hale and her sister. Haley was six months old when I started job. And she was a cute baby. She's the cutest. When you go into her room, she's like playing in the crib. Yeah, the crib. And she's kicking and she's doing all sorts. And she's laughing by herself. She wasn't a bad baby at all, at all. I took her to the park. I took her to school. I took her to tennis, whatever games they have to do.
37:18 Haley Sacks? Whenever we would have bake sales, we would bake together. And the best thing would be cookies.
37:23 Speaker 07 Cookies.
37:24 Haley Sacks? Oh, my God. We made a lot of money for charity with those.
37:28 Speaker 07 Yes, yes.
37:28 Haley Sacks? And I would always want to stay home from school. Because if I stayed home sick from school, then I could watch like Maury or the daytime TV with you on the couch and we could order Chinese food.
37:38 Speaker 07 Yes.
37:39 Haley Sacks? We would order hot and sour soup.
37:41 Speaker 07 And when, you know, when she added food, the food comes. I'm gonna tell her Haley, I love you. Haley, oh, yes, only when I give you something, you love me.
37:53 Haley Sacks? It's true. I gotta, I gotta order you something now.
37:58 Speaker 07 Remember the time when I told you, ma'am, I sent the, was her birthday? And I sent her a bouquet of flowers? And I told her, I'm her secret admirer.
38:12 Speaker 07 But then I say, oh, my God, I have to tell the kids. Because if I don't tell you guys, your dad gonna be, you know, he might be upset. And he might want to do, oh, mommy cheating behind his back. So I have to tell you, I had to tell you. And I told her.
38:33 Haley Sacks? Did she fall for it?
38:35 Speaker 07 She didn't know who sent her the flowers.
38:38 Haley Sacks? And then you finally told her?
38:39 Speaker 07 She was, yes. She was seeing her, um, she have a friend from high school or college or something.
38:48 Speaker 07 And then at the last, they really told the secret that I sent the flowers.
38:53 Haley Sacks? That's so funny, Koda.
38:55 Speaker 07 I know, yes. Was a lot of fun. And then another thing, when I gave them a bath, I used to sing a song.
39:05 Haley Sacks? Your mother love.
39:07 Speaker 07 Love should never forget. The wrong things you do, child, you're bound to regret. But they were so little. And like, they understand the words and stuff that I'm saying. And they used to cry. I said, oh my God, I'm making these kids cry. I'm singing songs for them to cry. Now, every time they want me to sing the song, singing mother love for me.
39:37 Haley Sacks? It's true. Every time I see you now, we have to sing it.
39:39 Speaker 07 Sing your mother love.
39:42 Haley Sacks? Would you have any other crazy memories of us?
39:45 Speaker 07 I went to Anguilla with them. We had a lot of fun.
39:49 Haley Sacks? Yeah, you will come on vacation with us.
39:50 Speaker 07 Yes, we had a lot of.
39:52 Haley Sacks? Martha's Vineyard, you would come?
39:53 Speaker 07 Until they hooked me up with a guy.
39:55 Haley Sacks? Oh.
39:56 Speaker 07 Every.
39:57 Haley Sacks? Oh, Carol. Yeah, we try. And I went back. Yes, there was a man, Carol in Anguilla, that we were trying to set you up with, who by the way, still holds the torch for you.
40:05 Speaker 07 Every time he sends a cake.
40:07 Haley Sacks? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He sent you a cake.
40:09 Speaker 07 Remember you guys were in, yes.
40:11 Haley Sacks? Wait, tell them. This is crazy, because you're sort of a minx. So did you ever kiss him or anything?
40:18 Speaker 07 No, I never.
40:19 Haley Sacks? No, no. Okay. Okay, so Carol, you met Carol in Anguilla, but there was a little bit of a vibe.
40:25 Speaker 07 Like he likes me then.
40:26 Haley Sacks? There was a flirting. I mean, who wouldn't?
40:28 Speaker 07 And joke around, but that's it.
40:30 Haley Sacks? And then you wouldn't come back the next years and he would always.
40:33 Speaker 07 No, I went two years.
40:35 Haley Sacks? No, no, but I'm saying, even when you didn't come back, he would send us stuff home for you to be like, give us a Koda, that's my girl.
40:43 Speaker 07 Yeah.
40:44 Haley Sacks? Yeah.
40:45 Speaker 07 And he would, you know, ask for me and stuff.
40:48 Haley Sacks? Yeah. He's still, he like, looks really good.
40:51 Speaker 07 Oh, yeah.
40:51 Haley Sacks? He's doing a lot of like, pushups and he's in really nice shape.
40:54 Speaker 07 But you guys still go up there?
40:56 Haley Sacks? I went last year. So you should, well, next time we go, you should come and maybe rekindle a little with him.
41:02 Speaker 07 Yes.
41:03 Haley Sacks? What's wrong about that? We should get his, I'm gonna get his WhatsApp for you.
41:08 Speaker 07 No, no, I don't.
41:09 Haley Sacks? Why not? I'll get it today.
41:11 Speaker 07 No, I don't.
41:12 Haley Sacks? Why not? That's fine. You could do a phone call. Why not? No?
41:16 Speaker 07 No, no.
41:16 Haley Sacks? You've shut down shop?
41:18 Speaker 07 I don't shut down the shop.
41:20 Haley Sacks? Okay.
41:20 Speaker 07 I would like it.
41:24 Speaker 07 I'm, I'm sleeping. I don't want someone.
41:31 Speaker 07 I don't want someone who would make me sleep. I want someone who would.
41:36 Haley Sacks? But you think Carol's gonna make you go to sleep?
41:38 Speaker 07 Make me wake, you know?
41:40 Haley Sacks? But why?
41:41 Speaker 07 I know sleeping.
41:42 Haley Sacks? But why do you think Carol's gonna make you go to sleep?
41:44 Speaker 07 He's too old.
41:49 Haley Sacks? Oh, no, he, he has, he's like young and vibrant and then you could move to Angola, which would be so cool.
41:55 Speaker 07 I don't wanna be a critter snatcher.
42:02 Haley Sacks? I think you are, you are our nanny soulmate. Like there was no one else who could have done it. Like you were really like, like you, I can't imagine life without you.
42:12 Speaker 07 Yes. No, I did everything. I did everything.
42:14 Haley Sacks? It was hard work.
42:16 Speaker 07 Oh, yes, but I enjoy it. One time her mom told me, um, she said, you and I like husband and wife.
42:27 Speaker 07 We arguing like husband and wife.
42:32 Speaker 07 That was so funny when she tell me that.
42:34 Haley Sacks? Cause you were sort of.
42:35 Speaker 07 Yes, you should, I used to bring the flowers and bring it home and I, um, tell your mom, oh, I'm gonna pray with this flower.
42:45 Haley Sacks? Oh.
42:46 Speaker 07 Yeah.
42:47 Haley Sacks? I will just say, Claude, first of all, thank you so much for being here. I really do feel like we started everything together. And I love you so much. Like you, I feel like my personality is because I got to hang out with you. Cause you are just like the most fun, vibrant, mildly inappropriate, jokey, full of life, full of like childlike, just wonder. And I love you so much.
43:12 Speaker 07 I love you too.
43:13 Haley Sacks? And I would, I just like, I'm so grateful I got to see you.
43:16 Speaker 07 I love you. I don't have a daughter.
43:19 Haley Sacks? No, I'm your daughter.
43:19 Speaker 07 But I have three daughters.
43:21 Haley Sacks? Yeah, you do.
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