Controlling Husband Is Destroying Their Marriage | Financial Audit

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:45Caleb Hammer?

  To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube. We're either leaving this show together or we're leaving and filing for divorce.

• 0:53Speaker 03

  He told me when I was in Florida that he was going to bed at 8:30, hung up, took his drunk ass over to this female girl's house, hung out with her drunk, drove home drunk, and then wrecked his truck.

• 1:03Caleb Hammer?

  You're convinced this woman slept with him? Or he slept with this woman? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11. In the entire picture, both of you combined.

• 1:11Speaker 03

  No, there's 12. We're missing a kid.

• 1:12Speaker 04

  600 miles I moved to be with this woman and take care of nine kids that are not mine.

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• 2:11Speaker 03

  My name is Callie. I'm 46 years old.

• 2:13Speaker 04

  I'm Nate, 44, and we're from Atlanta, Georgia.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  And this is Financial Audit.

• 2:19Caleb Hammer?

  Let me tell you, girl, you're freaking out.

• 2:23Caleb Hammer?

  I have not struggled with someone before filming. She, you're freaking out about this intro and everything. This girl, like, she's on edge right now. What is happening with you?

• 2:32Speaker 03

  I don't leave my house.

• 2:34Caleb Hammer?

  That's not a good thing. Callie, what are you doing for a living at your house?

• 2:37Speaker 03

  I am an IT engineer, software support.

• 2:41Caleb Hammer?

  At your house?

• 2:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I work remotely.

• 2:43Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, you do need to get outside. Something's wrong with you, I'll be honest. I don't think we left any of that in, but she's like tweaking. What do you, uh, what do you make in this position?

• 2:55Speaker 03

  Um, you want monthly, yearly?

• 2:57Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, let's get monthly.

• 2:58Speaker 03

  Okay, from this job, it's an average, and I know you hate averages, but...

• 3:03Caleb Hammer?

  No, I don't. I ask for the average. What are you talking about?

• 3:06Speaker 03

  Well, you, but...

• 3:07Caleb Hammer?

  That's literally what I ask for.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  I don't think so. Because whenever you ask, no, you ask somebody what they make, and they're like, well, this week I made this, or last month, and then you're like...

• 3:19Caleb Hammer?

  Well, because that's not an average.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, we are gonna go, we're gonna go...

• 3:24Caleb Hammer?

  Do you know what an average is?

• 3:26Speaker 03

  We're gonna go with 5,000.

• 3:28Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, we're gonna go with, is that your average?

• 3:30Speaker 03

  That's accurate. Yes, that's accurate.

• 3:32Caleb Hammer?

  An accurate average?

• 3:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:34Caleb Hammer?

  Is that...

• 3:35Speaker 03

  No, that's an accurate number. That's the real number. That's monthly, the number.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  It fluctuates if I have extra overtime. That's why I said there could be an average, but we're going, five is the minimum. So let's go with five. But I have other sources of income. Stop looking at me like that.

• 3:53Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, and that is net. Is that take-home pay or is that gross?

• 3:58Speaker 03

  That's take-home.

• 3:58Caleb Hammer?

  Very good. What are these other jobs?

• 4:01Speaker 03

  I clean houses once a month.

• 4:03Caleb Hammer?

  So you go outside to other people's houses?

• 4:05Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:05Caleb Hammer?

  Once a month?

• 4:06Speaker 03

  It's, I got it through him. He remodeled some houses and they're like rentals and they only do it once a month and...

• 4:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 4:14Caleb Hammer?

  That is a crazy haircut. I've never seen anything like that in my life. I didn't even realize that. I've seen you many times before we filmed right now, but now I'm seeing it for the first time ever.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  What are you saying?

• 4:27Caleb Hammer?

  You. Um, what can we add as the extra income for this extra whatever?

• 4:33Speaker 03

  That is $260 a month.

• 4:37Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, is there anything more?

• 4:39Speaker 03

  And then I have a adult child who lives with me.

• 4:44Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 4:44Speaker 03

  He can, gives me eight to 1,000.

• 4:47Caleb Hammer?

  Is it him?

• 4:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 4:51Caleb Hammer?

  800 to 1,000, so 900?

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 4:54Caleb Hammer?

  Well, average, okay.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  And then I have an ex-baby daddy and I get 600 a month from him.

• 5:02Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, very good. And so there are kids. What are the ages of these kids that we have?

• 5:09Speaker 03

  Um, we have...

• 5:10Speaker 04

  They'll be in together. He's six.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, he'll be six on Friday. And then he has, you can tell...

• 5:17Speaker 04

  I have two in Illinois.

• 5:18Caleb Hammer?

  You have two in Illinois?

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 5:21Caleb Hammer?

  Are they in Illinois? Okay, what are their ages?

• 5:23Speaker 04

  Uh, nine and 15.

• 5:26Caleb Hammer?

  And what are the ages of your other children?

• 5:30Speaker 03

  They are... Do you want to know how many I have or do you want their ages?

• 5:35Caleb Hammer?

  Ages was my question.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, they're 26, 24, 20, 18,

• 5:46Speaker 03

  17.

• 5:47Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, it's still happening. Okay.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  15.

• 5:49Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, my shit.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  12.

• 5:52Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, it literally isn't stopping.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  10.

• 5:55Caleb Hammer?

  What the?

• 5:57Speaker 03

  And six.

• 5:58Caleb Hammer?

  And I already got the six-year-old. I already got the six-year-old, right?

• 6:01Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 6:01Caleb Hammer?

  Already got, right? Are there two six-year-olds?

• 6:03Speaker 03

  There's only one six, but count them in case I...

• 6:05Caleb Hammer?

  How many men have been inside of her?

• 6:09Speaker 03

  That's only from a couple.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. She's, she's only got...

• 6:15Speaker 03

  I was married for almost 14 years before we met to somebody else, not him.

• 6:19Caleb Hammer?

  One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11. In the entire picture, both of you combined.

• 6:25Speaker 03

  No, there's 12. We're missing a kid.

• 6:26Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 6:27Speaker 03

  Who are we missing?

• 6:28Caleb Hammer?

  I have 12-year-old, 15-year-old, 17-year-old, 6-year-old, 9-year-old, 15-year-old.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  Oh, I missed, I missed a 10-year-old.

• 6:34Caleb Hammer?

  Are there two 15-year-olds?

• 6:35Speaker 03

  No.

• 6:35Caleb Hammer?

  I have a 10-year-old.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  Okay, then you're missing, uh, my daughter. She's in between. She is 12.

• 6:43Caleb Hammer?

  See, this is, no, I have a 12-year-old. This is a concern that you don't even know how many kids you have.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  The 14-year-old? He's a boy.

• 6:49Caleb Hammer?

  I don't have a 14-year-old, but I have to cross off the 15-year-old because I got 15...

• 6:53Speaker 03

  Okay, I have, no, I have, I have 10. I have birthed 10.

• 6:56Caleb Hammer?

  And you have?

• 6:57Speaker 03

  He has two.

• 6:57Caleb Hammer?

  Two that are not the one with her.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  Right, so there's 12 to get all together.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:04Caleb Hammer?

  There's, you're missing one, but that's okay.

• 7:05Speaker 03

  I'm still missing a child.

• 7:07Caleb Hammer?

  No.

• 7:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  It's hard to remember. Can you imagine?

• 7:11Speaker 04

  It's a lot to keep up with.

• 7:12Caleb Hammer?

  Hey, stop pumping them out.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  True, but as you can see, they're all older now.

• 7:17Caleb Hammer?

  Kind of. What's a six-year-old? Okay.

• 7:21Speaker 03

  Who am I missing, though? That's kind of...

• 7:23Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so I have $5,260, $900, and $600. Anything else coming from you?

• 7:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 7:29Caleb Hammer?

  Thank Nate. What do you do for a living? Six minutes in to getting to the second question.

• 7:36Speaker 04

  I work in commercial construction.

• 7:38Caleb Hammer?

  Sure.

• 7:39Speaker 04

  And I also...

• 7:40Caleb Hammer?

  What do you do?

• 7:41Speaker 04

  Um, I do a lot of things.

• 7:44Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so no specific job. Are you a contractor?

• 7:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, carpenter.

• 7:48Caleb Hammer?

  You're a carpenter? Okay, well, that would be what you do. What do you make?

• 7:52Speaker 04

  Uh, anywhere between 3,500 and, I don't know, 8,000 a month? Just depends.

• 7:59Caleb Hammer?

  This is where I, and yes, do every episode, ask, what do you average?

• 8:06Speaker 04

  4,000 a month, 5,000.

• 8:08Speaker 03

  I don't think you can even go with that. That's not even accurate.

• 8:11Caleb Hammer?

  What do you mean?

• 8:12Speaker 03

  Because not every month there's work. So like some months he'll do great, but then there's other months. Let's be realistic. It's like barely making your bill, so you're at like...

• 8:22Speaker 04

  It's feast or famine. Sure.

• 8:24Caleb Hammer?

  Huh?

• 8:24Speaker 04

  It's feast or famine. You're either busy as hell and you have a ton of money coming in.

• 8:31Caleb Hammer?

  I got it, I got it. Once you, once I, once I understood the words you said, I got it. So what can I put for a dollar amount?

• 8:38Speaker 03

  I don't...

• 8:38Speaker 04

  Um, 4,000 a month.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  At least.

• 8:46Caleb Hammer?

  Oh my goodness, you guys are interesting. Okay. Now, why do you have AIDS on your nose? Is there something, I don't know?

• 8:53Speaker 04

  I'm sorry?

• 8:53Caleb Hammer?

  You have AIDS on your nose?

• 8:55Speaker 04

  No, it's not AIDS. This is a sunspot, actually.

• 8:58Caleb Hammer?

  Okay. Uh, what's going on, guys?

• 9:01Speaker 04

  So it's probably cancer.

• 9:02Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  That's a little aggressive. I don't think we need to come in that.

• 9:07Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, guys, so I have here, for what it's worth, this was your application to the show. We're either gonna leave, we're either leaving this show together, or we're leaving and filing for divorce.

• 9:19Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 9:20Speaker 03

  Yep. I think we probably both feel-

• 9:23Caleb Hammer?

  Who applied and said that?

• 9:24Speaker 03

  I applied, but I would think, don't you feel the same way?

• 9:27Speaker 04

  I do.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  It's been like eighteen months we don't live together.

• 9:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's been a while, we haven't lived together, and, to be honest, I pulled the money. I stopped giving her money.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  Wait, you pulled what money?

• 9:41Speaker 04

  I pulled the money that I used to give you all the time, that-

• 9:44Speaker 03

  When you lived with me?

• 9:45Speaker 04

  Wasn't on the books. You know what I'm saying?

• 9:47Speaker 03

  What do you mean, on the books?

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Anytime we needed something, I would take care of it. You know, I would go find a way to make the money and get what we needed. So, with you not having a man around to do that, yes.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  So how would you tell me?

• 10:00Caleb Hammer?

  Why do you want to file for divorce now? What the?

• 10:01Speaker 03

  Why do what? I'm sorry?

• 10:02Caleb Hammer?

  Why would you want to get divorced?

• 10:04Speaker 03

  Oh my god, because everything is a shit show. Living, we don't live together because I am under a constant microscope of being accused of doing stuff that I'm not doing 24/7.

• 10:18Caleb Hammer?

  You're accusing her of doing stuff 24/7?

• 10:21Speaker 04

  Maybe not 24/7.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  Really? Okay, then twenty out of twenty-four hours a day.

• 10:27Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, I'll get back to that, but something's eating me alive, I have to- Where are you from?

• 10:32Speaker 04

  Uh, we're from Illinois originally.

• 10:35Caleb Hammer?

  You're from Illinois?

• 10:36Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 10:37Caleb Hammer?

  Where's your family from?

• 10:38Speaker 04

  Illinois.

• 10:39Caleb Hammer?

  Are you sure?

• 10:40Speaker 04

  Yes, sir.

• 10:40Caleb Hammer?

  Strictly Illinois?

• 10:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:42Caleb Hammer?

  This is really weird. I want to do a test. He looks like, okay.

• 10:48Caleb Hammer?

  No, no, no, this isn't a bad thing. Uh, my grandpa was much more handsome than you, but there is something about his-

• 10:56Speaker 04

  Mine as well.

• 10:57Caleb Hammer?

  His structure that resembles my grandpa in a very creepy way.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  That's weird.

• 11:02Caleb Hammer?

  But he's like a meth version, and my grandpa's from-

• 11:05Speaker 03

  That's even weirder. He's not even skinny.

• 11:08Caleb Hammer?

  Quiet. You're a meth version of my grandpa, whose family is from Indiana, right next to Illinois.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 11:15Caleb Hammer?

  I need to do a test.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  Oh my god, what if y'all are related?

• 11:19Caleb Hammer?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  I'm the most like-

• 11:22Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 11:24Caleb Hammer?

  Now, now, what's concerning is you look like an eight-year-old man. You shouldn't. When he was your age, you looked a lot better, but you look like he does at eighty.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  Well, he won't make it to be eighty years old, so.

• 11:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I probably won't make it.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  It's all right.

• 11:40Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, that's not the point.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  There's no point of anything.

• 11:43Caleb Hammer?

  Look at me.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  When you speak to me, speak with your chin up like it's picture day. He's sending this to his grandfather.

• 11:54Caleb Hammer?

  They did a fucking, just back and forth, I mean, my grandpa, they look, I don't like, well, he looks like my eighty-year-old grandpa, which is bad for you, but, okay. Get back to it. What do you mean you're getting like analyzed and accused? What the fuck are you talking about?

• 12:09Speaker 03

  It's literally just anything. I don't know, he's paranoid.

• 12:12Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, but go into it, tell me.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Hyper vigilant.

• 12:14Caleb Hammer?

  I need to understand what's happening, because I don't, I don't know you, I'm sorry, I wasn't there.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't. It just look, like, if I pick up my phone, who are you texting? If I-

• 12:24Caleb Hammer?

  Is it a question like, oh, who are you texting?

• 12:26Speaker 03

  No, it's literally every single time. It's like, who are you texting? What are you texting him about?

• 12:30Caleb Hammer?

  He's smiling about it.

• 12:32Speaker 04

  It's, no, it's not.

• 12:34Caleb Hammer?

  Do you guys do- Because you look like you both do-

• 12:37Speaker 04

  No, we don't do- Hell no. We have a shit ton of kids to take care of.

• 12:41Caleb Hammer?

  That, who would that have, nonstop people?

• 12:43Speaker 04

  To answer your question, it's-

• 12:45Caleb Hammer?

  What do you guys do?

• 12:46Speaker 04

  I don't know, she, she is standoffish towards answers, and-

• 12:51Speaker 03

  Why are you asking me questions? I'm forty-six years old. I don't have to be questioned every time I do something.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  People like to know what they're walking into.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Walking into what?

• 12:59Speaker 04

  When you walk into a room, what's going on?

• 13:01Speaker 03

  No, you don't need to know that. You do that-

• 13:03Speaker 04

  Being cordial, being polite.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  When you walk in a room with your girlfriend, are you like, who are you talking to?

• 13:07Speaker 04

  That you care for other people.

• 13:09Speaker 03

  I don't have to check in.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  That's all part of questioning people.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  Don't question me.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  How's your day? How are you doing?

• 13:16Speaker 03

  That's different.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  Who are you talking to? What's going on? If you have an intense- You have an intense stare at your phone and you're typing away, and I say-

• 13:23Speaker 03

  Because I type quickly.

• 13:25Speaker 04

  What's going on? And you get upset, of course it's gonna make me more concerned about what you're actually doing.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  That is such bullshit, and you know it.

• 13:34Caleb Hammer?

  Well, tell me, why? What do you mean it's bullshit?

• 13:36Speaker 04

  That's my side of it.

• 13:37Speaker 03

  That's your interpretation of it, though.

• 13:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, if it's different, then why not

• 13:45Speaker 03

  Why do I have to explain it?

• 13:46Speaker 04

  Just support my feelings, sorry about that.

• 13:49Speaker 03

  Your feelings are wrong.

• 13:50Speaker 04

  Support my feelings, tell me I'm wrong.

• 13:52Speaker 03

  I'm telling you you're wrong. I told you you're wrong.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  And support me as well.

• 13:56Caleb Hammer?

  Feelings about what?

• 13:57Speaker 03

  That I'm cheating. He thinks I'm cheating all the time.

• 14:00Caleb Hammer?

  Why do you think she's cheating?

• 14:02Speaker 03

  That would be a great question, please. Why?

• 14:05Speaker 04

  I don't know, there's a, my mind makes connections.

• 14:08Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, what connections is that?

• 14:08Speaker 04

  There are things that she does all the time.

• 14:10Speaker 03

  No, they're not real connections. They're things he imagined.

• 14:12Speaker 04

  What she said the other day.

• 14:14Caleb Hammer?

  What does he imagine?

• 14:15Speaker 04

  Hyper vigilism.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  Everything, everything.

• 14:18Speaker 04

  Your nervous system has been damaged.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  No.

• 14:20Caleb Hammer?

  From what?

• 14:22Speaker 03

  No, from his ex.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  From-

• 14:23Speaker 03

  His ex.

• 14:24Caleb Hammer?

  Bring your ex on someone else, that doesn't make any sense. What is he saying you do?

• 14:29Speaker 03

  That I am talking to people on social media, I'm texting them, um, if I'm out, like, if we're out at a bar or something, then I would- If I was talking to somebody, then that meant I was either sleeping with them, or I wanted to sleep with them. Um-

• 14:46Caleb Hammer?

  What are you, what are you thinking?

• 14:47Speaker 03

  He goes as far the other day, we, because we don't live together, so we were FaceTiming, he FaceTimed me, and I knew something was up, because he never FaceTimes me. And we're talking, and I had some of my children in the kitchen, I was sitting on one side of the island, kids were on the other side. So I have him on FaceTime, and he literally says, "Who's at the house? Why are you looking over there?" And I said, "There's nobody here, what are you talking about?" He's like, "I just saw you look over there, there's gotta be somebody there, why are you looking over there?" Well, do you think I'm gonna stare at my phone the whole time we're on the phone? Like, there's other people in the room, I'm looking out. Why would I answer my phone if I had another dude in my house? Doesn't that sound like something stupid?

• 15:23Speaker 04

  That's some shady shit, yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  So why would I do that? But why would I have to tell you that I'm not doing that?

• 15:30Speaker 04

  I don't know, why do I have to defend myself for-

• 15:32Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  For being, for being-

• 15:35Caleb Hammer?

  For being what?

• 15:36Speaker 04

  What, hurt, I'm sorry, for being hurt in the past and not being able to-

• 15:41Caleb Hammer?

  From someone else, though.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  Because I didn't do it.

• 15:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I can't control my feelings.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Control them.

• 15:47Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, you can.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I guess.

• 15:50Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you can control your actions from your feelings.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  You control your actions.

• 15:52Caleb Hammer?

  I get angry, doesn't mean I beat people.

• 15:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, right.

• 15:56Caleb Hammer?

  So, what?

• 15:57Speaker 03

  There's no control, it's everything. Like, it's to the point where I, when we were together and living together, I didn't go anywhere. I have no friends anymore, I don't talk to anybody, and you know it's true.

• 16:06Caleb Hammer?

  And you're saying that's him?

• 16:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can't have girlfriends, even my girlfriends that are married. If I talk to my girlfriends-

• 16:11Caleb Hammer?

  You think she's eating box?

• 16:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:13Speaker 04

  No.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  Oh, really? First-

• 16:15Speaker 04

  She just chooses everybody else over top of me.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  Because I give them any time.

• 16:20Caleb Hammer?

  What do you mean? How could she be choosing other people over top of you, as you say, if she can't have friends?

• 16:26Speaker 04

  Uh, I didn't say she couldn't have friends.

• 16:28Caleb Hammer?

  Well, why are you saying that?

• 16:29Speaker 03

  No, he doesn't say it, but I can't do-

• 16:30Speaker 04

  That she chooses them-

• 16:33Caleb Hammer?

  Tell me.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  Over her husband, or her family.

• 16:36Caleb Hammer?

  Maybe I'm on your side, I don't know, but you gotta tell me.

• 16:38Speaker 04

  Um, I don't know.

• 16:39Speaker 03

  I would like an example. What's choosing? What have I done that, like, has put them first over you?

• 16:46Caleb Hammer?

  I mean, isolating people is not a good thing, typically, so I need a good reason.

• 16:49Speaker 04

  That's how I felt, but I can't, I can't-

• 16:52Caleb Hammer?

  So you felt, no, you're isolating her, according to her.

• 16:54Speaker 03

  You isolated me.

• 16:56Caleb Hammer?

  But why? Maybe, maybe it was valid, maybe it was valid, tell me, I don't know.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  How would it be valid?

• 17:02Caleb Hammer?

  I don't know, I need to hear a reason, why?

• 17:04Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't get a reason. You can get mad, but there's no reason.

• 17:09Caleb Hammer?

  I'm not mad, I'm asking him, but, girl, woman, shut the fuck up.

• 17:12Speaker 04

  I have a reason.

• 17:13Caleb Hammer?

  Huh?

• 17:13Speaker 04

  I don't think I have a reason, honestly.

• 17:15Caleb Hammer?

  You just tell her she can't have friends?

• 17:16Speaker 04

  No, I did not ever say that.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  No, he doesn't tell me I can't have friends.

• 17:19Caleb Hammer?

  What are you talking about? That's not isolating you.

• 17:20Speaker 03

  If I engage with my friends, it was always a guilt trip. We had a roommate, okay?

• 17:24Caleb Hammer?

  Like what?

• 17:25Speaker 03

  I'm gonna give you an example. We had a roommate. We got a house a couple of years ago. We all moved in together, it was a female friend, it was all supposed to be fine, it was a great way to save money, you know?

• 17:36Speaker 04

  No, going into this-

• 17:38Speaker 03

  Going, okay.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  We were splitting up almost.

• 17:40Speaker 03

  Okay, going into this, we had separated.

• 17:41Speaker 04

  Person wants the truth.

• 17:42Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, okay.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  I'm saying, we got the house because he and I separated. He moved out. The person who accuses me of cheating moved in with a friend, who was a female friend. He can have female friends that he could go drinking with and live with.

• 17:58Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, I'm being told we're calling this person in the post-show.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  But that's okay. No, you're not.

• 18:03Speaker 04

  We did not.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  No, we're not.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  We didn't move in with anybody.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  Huh?

• 18:07Speaker 04

  I didn't move in with anybody.

• 18:08Speaker 03

  You didn't move in with your friend that you got in trouble. It's a different one.

• 18:13Caleb Hammer?

  Oh.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  There's two friends.

• 18:14Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, well, we're calling one of them.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  One is a roommate. One is his female friend.

• 18:19Caleb Hammer?

  You said roommate is moved, go on, continue.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  We split up. He moved out of my house. We got back together. While he had moved out, my female friend and I decided we were gonna get a house together. He and I got back together, so then the three of us moved in this house together. It did not go well. The entire time we lived together, if her and I were sitting and talking about something, he would accuse us of either being intimate, talking about him, or that we were sneaking around and that we were up to something.

• 18:51Caleb Hammer?

  Why? Why the accusation?

• 18:55Speaker 04

  You know, I don't know.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  I've never been hugged her.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  The behavior behind it.

• 18:59Speaker 03

  What's the behavior though? I want to know the behavior. Cause I've never hugged her.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  The mannerisms, the way you guys talk. I'm not saying that you're eating bush, like what y'all are saying.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Then why are you saying?

• 19:11Speaker 04

  That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you choose other people.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  How is that choosing other people?

• 19:15Speaker 04

  That should matter to you more.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  But what do you want me to choose you to do?

• 19:19Caleb Hammer?

  This choosing thing, I don't understand that. That makes sense. How was he choosing a roommate? What was he choosing? You guys were separated, correct?

• 19:25Speaker 04

  She's choosing to involve, to let this person into our lives.

• 19:29Caleb Hammer?

  But you were separated.

• 19:30Speaker 03

  But you were in the house with us.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  And depend on them.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Depend on them for what?

• 19:34Speaker 04

  This is my role. You know what I'm saying?

• 19:36Caleb Hammer?

  Weren't you separated?

• 19:38Speaker 04

  No, we weren't.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  That's why Kaylin and I got the house. I have the text messages.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  You're ridiculous. No, we were not.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  He is full of shit.

• 19:47Caleb Hammer?

  You're the one who sat here and said you guys were separated.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  We are now.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  And I got the house.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  We do not live together. When we moved into the house.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  This is so wrong.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  What?

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Why do you think I got the house together? It was after Christmas. Think of who you went out with at Christmas.

• 20:06Speaker 04

  They were selling the house and we had to move.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  No, I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about when I bought, when I got the house. When we first moved into the house.

• 20:13Caleb Hammer?

  When was this?

• 20:14Speaker 03

  Two and a half years ago. You weren't supposed to move in the house originally, remember?

• 20:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 20:19Caleb Hammer?

  Why didn't he? Why didn't you?

• 20:21Speaker 04

  Supposed to move with them. I wasn't. I was the house. I wasn't supposed to move anywhere.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  You were living with your female friend at that time originally.

• 20:29Caleb Hammer?

  Why were you with a female friend? Who's the female friend?

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, why can you go stay with a female friend when I can't even have any kind of friends?

• 20:34Caleb Hammer?

  What was your relationship with her?

• 20:36Speaker 04

  A friend that not only you introduced me to.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  I did introduce him to.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  Supported us for the first couple of months that we lived down here.

• 20:43Caleb Hammer?

  Why didn't you move?

• 20:45Speaker 04

  Helped us anytime we had any problems.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  We stayed with her for two weeks while I got the house.

• 20:50Caleb Hammer?

  Why didn't you move in with her? Why didn't you move in with her into this house?

• 20:54Speaker 04

  I did move in this house with her.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  He did end up moving in with me and the roommate. And it's been an issue.

• 20:59Caleb Hammer?

  Why are you complaining about her getting a roommate?

• 21:01Speaker 04

  I think it's just bullshit that we have all these kids. We can handle it. And she wants to bring other people into it and just max our budget out on everything.

• 21:10Caleb Hammer?

  Did you guys not talk about it before it happened?

• 21:13Speaker 04

  No, we don't.

• 21:13Caleb Hammer?

  So you're making an executive decision?

• 21:15Speaker 04

  There was a major communication breakdown between us.

• 21:18Speaker 03

  To get a roommate.

• 21:18Caleb Hammer?

  If you guys didn't talk about it, then that is making an executive decision.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  The roommate, the house was in. The roommate and I went and viewed the house before we got the house. While he stayed at home with the children, he knew where we were going. So he was not, we didn't make an executive decision. He knew what he was getting into.

• 21:35Caleb Hammer?

  You knew you were getting into the roommate situation?

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Yes, we knew. We knew because we couldn't afford it without her.

• 21:41Caleb Hammer?

  What are you complaining about then?

• 21:43Speaker 03

  You just told me that we could do it without her.

• 21:45Speaker 04

  I didn't have to have a house with a giant pool. We didn't have to.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  The pool did not, no. But we didn't need a big house with 10 kids.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  We didn't have to figure out how much money we make and then max out what, what we could live in.

• 21:58Caleb Hammer?

  They're being pushed up. You're complaining about the roommate, but you understood.

• 22:02Speaker 04

  It's ridiculous. I know how much money I make generally. So I budget myself mentally, not on paper.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  But I've done a pretty damn good job of it for the last 44 years. I'm still alive and I don't need anybody to pay my bills.

• 22:17Speaker 03

  That's not budgeting though. And that's not having money.

• 22:20Speaker 04

  And I can also throw money at people and help them.

• 22:24Caleb Hammer?

  So I'm confused. How is she putting the, at that time? And I understand that this has continued throughout your relationship. This is just example number one. But how was she putting that roommate over you?

• 22:36Speaker 04

  Um, just, just choosing her to do things.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  To do what?

• 22:40Speaker 04

  She just.

• 22:40Caleb Hammer?

  Hanging out?

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Never wanted to hang out with me. Yeah, exactly.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  We never left the house. The roommate and I never left the house anywhere.

• 22:46Caleb Hammer?

  Were you not hanging out with your husband though?

• 22:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  No, that's right. Because we would hang out in the living room or the kitchen and he can't sit still long enough. And was drinking that he would pop in the room and say, what are you talking about? I know you're talking about me. Y'all are planning something. And then he would storm out and go in the backyard.

• 23:02Caleb Hammer?

  They're calling me crazy. They're calling me nasty. They're calling me wild boy. I am not.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  He never wanted to sit and talk. And he hates talking about what we talk about. He hates reality TV. He doesn't like cheer. He doesn't like dance. Is that not what we would be talking about? Were you interested in any of that? He would walk away.

• 23:20Speaker 04

  But I like to be involved in what's going on around me. Especially in the people's lives around me.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Did we exclude you or did you choose to walk away?

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Yes, you did exclude me.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  Because you.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  Slowly but surely.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  This is what he feels.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  The way you knew that would push me away.

• 23:35Speaker 03

  Or maybe I treated you the way that I was feeling because you kept accusing me of stuff. You pushed me away first.

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• 24:08Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:09Speaker 03

  See how that goes both ways though?

• 24:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, well.

• 24:12Caleb Hammer?

  You are always concerned about something happening.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  Always.

• 24:17Caleb Hammer?

  And I guess that is what you opened with and it kind of makes. But so like now, I know you're in a separation situation now and we're either getting divorced or not. Figured out, not going well so far. How long have you been separated now?

• 24:29Speaker 03

  16 months.

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• 26:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:03Caleb Hammer?

  What the are we doing? 16 months? How long have you guys been married?

• 26:09Speaker 04

  Six years.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Little over six years.

• 26:13Caleb Hammer?

  How many times have you guys separated in there? I'm being told multiple times.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  At least five.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  Maybe we once a year for like a night or two to calm each other.

• 26:24Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, what happened the previous separation? Why? Why was this done?

• 26:30Speaker 04

  The previous separation, she cheated.

• 26:32Speaker 03

  I cheated?

• 26:34Speaker 04

  Not this one. The previous.

• 26:36Caleb Hammer?

  No, I'm talking about you. Oh, this time.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  I about lost my shit.

• 26:40Caleb Hammer?

  I have to clarify that. When we're talking about how many times you guys separate.

• 26:44Speaker 03

  Why is he talking about his ex from 10 years ago when talking about me?

• 26:47Speaker 04

  Previous.

• 26:48Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, your most recent separation.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  No, you tell him.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  The most recent one?

• 26:54Speaker 03

  I need a minute to.

• 26:55Speaker 04

  Um, I got picked up on a warrant for not changing my address correctly.

• 27:01Caleb Hammer?

  What?

• 27:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, so.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  They spotted our house.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  When I.

• 27:05Caleb Hammer?

  Huh?

• 27:06Speaker 03

  They spotted our house. I was home, he wasn't.

• 27:08Caleb Hammer?

  Cause swatted is like a false report.

• 27:11Speaker 04

  Yes, it was ridiculous.

• 27:13Caleb Hammer?

  Someone false reported your house? Someone said there's like a hostage?

• 27:16Speaker 04

  No, no, they showed up like swat because of a warrant.

• 27:19Caleb Hammer?

  That's not swatting.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  They had police at my back door, my front door, my basement door on the side and like five police cars lining the street. Oops, sorry.

• 27:28Caleb Hammer?

  What was the warrant for?

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Um, possession of a firearm.

• 27:32Caleb Hammer?

  I think that was the warrant, not the address issue.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, no, it was, it was an address issue because they had sent a court date out. But, but you have to realize that they're like four years behind on their, their.

• 27:47Caleb Hammer?

  What is this firearm thing?

• 27:48Speaker 04

  Schedule. Um, so when I was 26, I got convicted of a felony DUI.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  Oh no, we're not done. We're not done.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  DUI in Illinois, right?

• 28:00Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  So here, I got into an accident and I had a pistol behind the seat and that's how I got that.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Where were you going that night? He's leaving out the key part of why we weren't together after this arrest.

• 28:16Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  I was in Florida. I was, I'm telling you, I was in Florida with all of my children and he chose to stay home. I have the text still. You chose to stay home. You were building a swing set for our child.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  I don't feel good. You said you got hurt. I still have the messages.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  I said, my shoulders hurt. I need help.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, so he called a female friend to come help.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  I still have those messages for her and okay, I never know anything. I'm always wrong, but I have all the proof.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  The issue for the last three years.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  The issue is you.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  You won't listen to the true.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  You tell lies and you don't remember what the truth is because you're drinking.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  And this is why she doesn't want to talk to the girl either.

• 28:59Caleb Hammer?

  Nate, what's the truth?

• 29:00Speaker 03

  I don't talk to the girl. Anyway, he told me when I was in Florida that he was going to bed at eight thirty, hung up, took his drunk ass over to this female girl's house, hung out with her drunk, drove home drunk, and then wrecked his truck.

• 29:13Speaker 04

  Now, now, let me, let me tell you the story.

• 29:16Caleb Hammer?

  Don't interrupt them. Go on.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Building a swing set for my children.

• 29:19Caleb Hammer?

  We love swinging.

• 29:20Speaker 04

  I got into a bottle. I was upset because she was gone with her girlfriend.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  He could have came. He chose to stay home.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  I could have came, but I would have had to be with the girlfriend.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  It's not a girlfriend. It was our roommate.

• 29:33Caleb Hammer?

  Why are you, why are you upset that she went on a trip with her friend?

• 29:35Speaker 03

  I'm not allowed to go on a girl's trip. I've never gone on a girl's trip without the kids.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  I'm just, I'm just upset at the way that I'm treated.

• 29:41Caleb Hammer?

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, I want to talk about that for a second. Okay, continue. We'll, we'll loop back.

• 29:46Speaker 04

  I was about halfway through a bottle. I went to the friend's house.

• 29:50Caleb Hammer?

  And you had drinking issues previously.

• 29:52Speaker 03

  But did you lie to me and tell me that you were going to bed?

• 29:55Speaker 04

  I went to the friend's house and why did I go to the friend's house? Not to meet with the friend, but to meet her friend, who is a male electrician, who said he would help me lift the boards that I needed to the next day.

• 30:08Caleb Hammer?

  Why did you go to his house?

• 30:09Speaker 03

  But why do you have to go there to drink to talk to him?

• 30:11Speaker 04

  Because we had talked back and forth on the phone. We had never met each other. And I was like, well, I'm not doing anything.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  You're drinking.

• 30:19Speaker 04

  I'll just shoot over, I'll just shoot over and meet you and then, and then I'll, you know, so you can come over tomorrow and help me with this beam to put up for the swing set. And I didn't make it home. I hit a tree and that happens.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  I mean, it was stupid and I know better than that.

• 30:43Caleb Hammer?

  Why'd you have an illegal firearm?

• 30:44Speaker 04

  I didn't.

• 30:45Speaker 03

  Because I own a firearm.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  Somebody bought me an illegal firearm.

• 30:48Caleb Hammer?

  Where'd you get it from?

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Academy Sports. I'm not a convicted felon. I can have firearms.

• 30:53Speaker 04

  So you clearly doesn't understand the law that I told her. I can't have firearms in this house. Can't have firearms.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  Then you shouldn't have put it in your truck. Yeah, you put it in there. It's your own decision.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was my ignorance.

• 31:05Speaker 03

  So blame me. You're trying to blame me for it.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  What do you do when you're drunk? Do you?

• 31:09Speaker 03

  You don't go drive. You don't go to a female friend's house when your wife is out of town and you just told your wife you're going to bed.

• 31:16Caleb Hammer?

  How was it a female and male's friend's house? Were they both there?

• 31:20Speaker 03

  Because the female is a little whore who likes to sleep with other people's married men. So she had a friend over. I was married to every one of their daddies.

• 31:31Caleb Hammer?

  Well, yeah, you get married immediately, breed and then leave.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  That's valid. I'll give you that.

• 31:37Caleb Hammer?

  Whore. So I'm confused. You went to a woman's house or a man's house?

• 31:41Speaker 03

  A woman.

• 31:43Caleb Hammer?

  But you said you were going to a man's house.

• 31:45Speaker 04

  No, I went to a woman's house.

• 31:47Speaker 03

  Who had a man over.

• 31:48Speaker 04

  To meet her friend. Yes, to meet her friend.

• 31:51Caleb Hammer?

  Her friend.

• 31:52Speaker 04

  The woman is both of our friend.

• 31:54Caleb Hammer?

  The whore.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Yes, the whore started out as my friend.

• 31:58Caleb Hammer?

  But you're convinced this woman slept with him or he slept with this woman?

• 32:01Speaker 03

  I don't know. Okay, he says he didn't.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  Absolutely not.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  And everybody was fine for a while, but then I got pregnant with our son. So I stopped going out to the bars because we all three used to go out. He continued to go to the bars with her alone when I was pregnant. And the night that.

• 32:18Caleb Hammer?

  Is this okay or bad?

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I let him because I'm not controlling. You think he was gonna let me go out with her?

• 32:24Caleb Hammer?

  Doesn't sound like it.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  No, it's fine. So they had their own like separate little.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  Ever going to the bar with your girlfriend alone?

• 32:33Speaker 03

  With, oh, sorry.

• 32:35Speaker 04

  Without you.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  I know you did.

• 32:38Speaker 04

  I don't ever recall going to a bar without you.

• 32:41Speaker 03

  Ask him what happened the night I had our son.

• 32:43Speaker 04

  You had our son and said, you look like you're getting fidgety. Why don't you go out for a little bit?

• 32:49Speaker 03

  I did not say that. He told me he was leaving the hospital because he was tired and had to work tomorrow. And I later found in his text messages that he texted her and asked her if she wanted to go out drinking to celebrate with him.

• 33:01Caleb Hammer?

  That night?

• 33:02Speaker 03

  The same night I had the baby.

• 33:04Caleb Hammer?

  Why would you do that though?

• 33:05Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  I have screenshots.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  Screenshots.

• 33:08Speaker 03

  He hates that I have proof of everything.

• 33:10Speaker 04

  Oh, she's got a million screenshots.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  But why do you do this stuff?

• 33:13Speaker 04

  From the day we met.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  Cause he's been accusing me of cheating since the day we met.

• 33:17Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so, uh, okay, while she looks for that, I do want to loop. I want to loop back.

• 33:22Speaker 03

  Do what?

• 33:23Caleb Hammer?

  Doesn't involve.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  This is the problem.

• 33:24Caleb Hammer?

  You keep looking. Buddy.

• 33:28Speaker 03

  I got a lot to go through.

• 33:30Caleb Hammer?

  She went on a trip with her friend.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Even the kids, 12 kids.

• 33:34Caleb Hammer?

  Woman, shut up!

• 33:35Speaker 03

  But you, don't make it sound like I went on a girl's trip. Cause I'm not allowed to go on girl's trips. I took 10 kids to the beach.

• 33:41Speaker 04

  Nobody said these things. These things are all implied by her brain.

• 33:45Caleb Hammer?

  You said you were upset.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  I said I was upset, but I didn't tell her, no, you can't go with your girlfriend on a girl's trip.

• 33:50Caleb Hammer?

  Why were you upset?

• 33:51Speaker 04

  Why am I being labeled like I say these things when I don't?

• 33:54Caleb Hammer?

  Nate, why were you upset?

• 33:56Speaker 03

  You're the one who just said you were upset.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  I'm upset for being misrepresented.

• 34:01Caleb Hammer?

  No, you just said right now that you're upset that she went.

• 34:05Speaker 04

  I'm upset.

• 34:06Caleb Hammer?

  With, with her friend.

• 34:07Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:08Caleb Hammer?

  Very good. Why?

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Because her friend asked her to go with her because she needed somebody to go with her because she's, she's not really an adult.

• 34:18Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so why are you upset?

• 34:20Speaker 04

  Now she is. Now that mommy has taken care of her for a couple of years and got her up on her feet.

• 34:26Caleb Hammer?

  Wait, she's the not adult or her friend?

• 34:29Speaker 04

  She's the controlling adult that takes care of everybody around her, but.

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• 34:59Speaker 04

  Doesn't want to be polite, cordial, or any of that with her husband.

• 35:04Speaker 03

  Do I take care of you? Do I cook for you? Do I clean for you? Are our bills paid or your child? How do I do anything for anybody more than what I do for you?

• 35:12Caleb Hammer?

  Nate, why can't she go on a trip with her friend?

• 35:16Speaker 04

  Go ahead.

• 35:17Caleb Hammer?

  No, no, no, no. Why don't you like it? I am trying to get to the bottom of why you don't like it.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't know. At the time we were fighting or something and that, that played into it.

• 35:26Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, okay.

• 35:27Speaker 04

  You know, there's a lot of other factors. It's not, it's not me saying you can't do this.

• 35:32Caleb Hammer?

  What are they? What are the factors?

• 35:33Speaker 04

  There's a lot of factors every day.

• 35:35Caleb Hammer?

  Cause I encourage, now we, for granted, we don't have kids together, but I encourage.

• 35:40Speaker 04

  It's very hard.

• 35:40Caleb Hammer?

  I encourage my girl, you know, we've been almost together for two years now, together for almost two years. I love her going on trips with her friends.

• 35:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:49Caleb Hammer?

  It doesn't insult me.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  I literally went to the bathroom without him.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  I support her. I'm here for her today.

• 35:55Caleb Hammer?

  No, but you told me you don't like her going on trips with her friends. You told me.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  Trying to support her as much as possible.

• 36:02Caleb Hammer?

  I'm trying to understand why you don't like it though.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  I don't even, I don't know.

• 36:06Caleb Hammer?

  Because if you're with her or with someone else.

• 36:08Speaker 04

  Something's gonna happen because.

• 36:09Caleb Hammer?

  Why? Why? Why do you think that?

• 36:10Speaker 04

  That's part of that, that, what I was talking about, that hypervigilance is, is you're just waiting for something to happen and it's not your fault.

• 36:18Caleb Hammer?

  We were watching you and we clocked you when you walked into this office and I was there, but you walked in.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  I'm looking around and I'm, I'm.

• 36:23Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, you're like, you were like a cat who stepped outside for the first time.

• 36:29Speaker 04

  I am very aware of my surroundings. If something were to happen, I'm gonna be the fallout guy.

• 36:33Caleb Hammer?

  Table. That's all there was.

• 36:36Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 36:37Caleb Hammer?

  What were you afraid of?

• 36:39Speaker 04

  I wasn't afraid of anything.

• 36:40Caleb Hammer?

  What would my marketing team do to you?

• 36:42Speaker 03

  It's not what I would be doing with your marketing team.

• 36:45Caleb Hammer?

  You thought she would suck him off in the middle of the office?

• 36:47Speaker 04

  No.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  No, but, but see how he kind of hesitated? So I still have to find the messages, but just for context, look how they spoke to each other. Just, just, this is one of their text messages. It's clean. I'm a clean freak. Just so you have context of how they speak to each other.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  One time.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  That's not one I have more.

• 37:08Speaker 04

  She's got it.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  I have more.

• 37:09Caleb Hammer?

  Sometimes you people are kind of nasty and you just.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  I have more.

• 37:12Caleb Hammer?

  You seem nasty to me.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Um, that is very offensive.

• 37:15Speaker 04

  She's super, very clean woman.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Yes, wait, I'm sorry. Yes, blue's him, white's her talking to him.

• 37:23Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, yeah, fuck, I'll be there soon, he says. Hey, I made it home. Fine. All's good. I'm on the couch. Of course, cause it's all my fault now, crying face. She said night love. I'll deal with John tomorrow. Why would she say love?

• 37:42Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  Oh, she calls him love all the time.

• 37:44Speaker 04

  That's a southern thing, I think.

• 37:47Caleb Hammer?

  David has had a sudden thing. Okay, I'm getting a sometime.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Here's a different day, though, just for context of how much they want to hang out since he says, oh, I don't hang out with her.

• 37:57Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, he said, you want a day drink with me? 3:28 PM.

• 38:03Speaker 04

  She kinda pissed me off. Oh, yes, I recall this day.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Every time I piss him off, he goes out, he wants to go out drinking with her.

• 38:10Caleb Hammer?

  Well, he can, he can.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  She talks shit about her to my face, so this is what I did. It's like a retaliation.

• 38:16Caleb Hammer?

  Day drinking, but I am okay with someone hanging out with a friend.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 38:21Caleb Hammer?

  And he said, hey, when you got a minute, I need someone to talk to. That's not egregious, but what did she say? Let's see. So I was working and have the kids. Talk about what? You're welcome to call around 10 if you ever like. I'll certainly listen. You have never taken my advice anyway, so not sure what there is. Okay, what am I getting from this?

• 38:39Speaker 03

  How often, though, they talk? I can't have a, I can't have a male friend, though. I would not be allowed to text.

• 38:46Caleb Hammer?

  But why does that make him bad?

• 38:48Speaker 04

  But this is your friend to begin with.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  She's not my friend. We have not been friends.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Well, why not? Why not, though?

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Why not? Because, one, why would I keep being friends with her because?

• 39:00Speaker 04

  Somebody who supports you and, uh.

• 39:02Speaker 03

  Why would you be friends with somebody who sleeps with married men?

• 39:06Speaker 04

  Or take their kids to the school or any of that.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  You are the company you keep.

• 39:10Speaker 04

  Somebody to coddle and take care of all the time is what it is. That's what it is.

• 39:14Speaker 03

  I have kids to do that. You sound like you need to be coddled and taken care of with all of your accusing me of doing something all the time.

• 39:22Caleb Hammer?

  Have you ever caught her doing something?

• 39:24Speaker 04

  Uh, only twice with her ex.

• 39:26Speaker 03

  Twice? Wrong.

• 39:28Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Okay, I would love to know. One time he saw me and my ex coming out of the movie theater when he and I were not together with our children.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  This is after I got.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Child. We were not even together, though. We had, we were not together.

• 39:42Caleb Hammer?

  You're in your one of a million separations?

• 39:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 39:45Speaker 04

  No, this is the last one.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  I was with the children. Yes, I was with my daughter in the movie.

• 39:51Speaker 04

  Pissed up. They held me until, and when I got out, it was, you're not welcome here. And then there's a million different. Hey, I've got all screenshots of the bullshit you put on Facebook.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  We took my daughter to the movies. Defame you.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  And, and defame my character.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  You did it all by yourself, boo.

• 40:10Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:11Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so was that cheating?

• 40:12Speaker 04

  No, but it's pretty shitty when you're down to get kicked like that by the woman you love and came.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  We had.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  600 miles I moved to be with this woman and take care of nine kids that are not mine.

• 40:25Speaker 03

  I don't take care of my kids. You got me way fucked up. You don't take care of them. You just did.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  I'm not taking care of him myself, of course.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Here, here's another day. Just read. No, just so the, the, the context. This is a different day.

• 40:40Caleb Hammer?

  Down you.

• 40:41Speaker 03

  You and your. Read that one. I have millions of them, though, since he said it was very rare. Oh, my gosh, Caleb. You're dramatic.

• 40:53Caleb Hammer?

  Girl, I don't know where you've been. You, your vagina's been open so many times.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  That, yes, but my hands are clean. I wash them.

• 40:59Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, come have a drink at Big Daddy's with me. So it's a bar, not an actual situation for something. Okay. She said, would love to, but have the kids. We pass them by there in 10 minutes on our way home, lol. He says, damn you. I drink alone anyway. She says, wanna hug? I mean, that's the hug thing, maybe, yeah, but like.

• 41:17Speaker 03

  I'm just saying, it's the context. It's so many days. You wanna go drink? You wanna go drink? Do you wanna go drink?

• 41:25Speaker 04

  This one and.

• 41:25Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, he was an alcoholic, right?

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Here's another one. Yes.

• 41:29Caleb Hammer?

  Well, isn't that the issue? I mean, I don't think it was her.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  Why we split up the other seven times was because the drinking and the paranoia.

• 41:36Caleb Hammer?

  Now.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  I'm over a year sober now. Yeah.

• 41:39Caleb Hammer?

  We love that. Congratulations, King. The thing is, that I think was the.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Okay, I, I have to cut you off. No, I know, but read this one. Here's her telling him to manipulate me so they can go out without me saying anything. Don't make an excuse. I swear to God, shut up. Read it.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  Explain it. Go ahead.

• 41:58Caleb Hammer?

  You, you sent some kind of video. She responds, video's hilarious.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  Is right after I had her son. The same week I had her son.

• 42:04Caleb Hammer?

  FYI, your woman is feeling a bit down. Please show her some smiles and affection and make her feel adored before you come out tonight. Talk about it later.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:14Caleb Hammer?

  Wait.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  I had just had a baby that week.

• 42:16Caleb Hammer?

  He's asking, what? No, she's asking him to be nice, not manipulate.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  To me. So that he can go drink with her. I just had a baby.

• 42:24Speaker 04

  Talking about the supportive friend that all of a sudden got kicked out of the picture.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  Why are you going drinking with somebody when I just had a baby?

• 42:31Caleb Hammer?

  I agree with that point, but what she said is that you're feeling a bit down. Please show her some smiles and affection and make her feel adorable. No, before you come out. That's not manipulating.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  Because I asked her if I could go out and she said, yes, go ahead.

• 42:46Caleb Hammer?

  Wait, no, this is, she's not being a bad person in this.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  No, she's not.

• 42:50Caleb Hammer?

  No, she's not.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  You have to know her. Okay. Why do you keep defending her?

• 42:54Caleb Hammer?

  Because that is not bad.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  Really? Because if she's my girlfriend, if she's my girlfriend, then instead of going drinking with my husband, shouldn't she have come to see me and the baby?

• 43:04Caleb Hammer?

  I agree with that. I'm saying the message isn't bad specifically. She wasn't manipulating in that message.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Context of their relationship. There's so many texts I have between him and her.

• 43:13Caleb Hammer?

  Well, two out of three have been a flop. So try to try something a little better. Yeah, they hang out as friends, right?

• 43:19Speaker 03

  No, it's only her. It's the only.

• 43:21Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, her and him, they hang out as friends, right?

• 43:24Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 43:25Caleb Hammer?

  What was the other time you caught her cheating?

• 43:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:28Speaker 04

  Uh, 4 AM, garage door opens. I'm sitting on the golf cart looking out the garage door.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Home to make sure I got home okay.

• 43:34Caleb Hammer?

  That's weird alone.

• 43:35Speaker 04

  Brother home.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  He's stalking.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  Girlfriend's house.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, from this friend, the friend that he loves so much.

• 43:42Caleb Hammer?

  I'm sorry, what happens?

• 43:43Speaker 04

  From the girlfriend.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  That he loves so much.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Ended up. After we split and you did me dirty, she ended up telling me what really happened that night. Four years later.

• 43:54Caleb Hammer?

  What happened?

• 43:54Speaker 03

  I thought she's your best friend. She made a lie.

• 43:57Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I need to know what happened.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  Apparently they were together that night.

• 44:01Caleb Hammer?

  Who was? She was with who?

• 44:03Speaker 03

  Me and my ex. This is what this girlfriend told him after we split.

• 44:07Caleb Hammer?

  Why would the girlfriend know?

• 44:08Speaker 04

  It's her house. After party, they went to her house and then they went upstairs to talk.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  But she's your friend, so why is she letting that stand for four years if it happened?

• 44:19Speaker 04

  Better. Girls are always tighter.

• 44:22Speaker 03

  It's not true. I wasn't drinking with her every day. You were. You were drinking with her weekly.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  That's girl code. You know that. She's not gonna tell on you until you do her wrong and you did something wrong to her.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  I didn't do anything wrong.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Told me.

• 44:35Caleb Hammer?

  Are you sure? That's why you don't hate this woman? Because you exposed you and your ex?

• 44:38Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I, didn't you hear him? She did that after I stopped talking to her. Then she tried to say this about that. So, no, the stories don't line up. Facts are facts and I'm very big on facts.

• 44:50Caleb Hammer?

  These are not very factual on either end right now.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Is, yeah, my ex did follow me home because we were drinking, made sure that I got home safe. That's all that happened.

• 44:57Speaker 04

  You didn't drive. You got out of his vehicle drunk. No, you weren't because we had to go get it the next day.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  No, we didn't.

• 45:04Speaker 04

  From her house.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  You're wrong.

• 45:06Speaker 04

  I'm not wrong.

• 45:07Speaker 03

  You're wrong.

• 45:08Speaker 04

  I'm not wrong because I took the golf cart over there and got it.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  You did not. How would you take the golf cart over there and drive the golf cart home and my car?

• 45:15Speaker 04

  40 minutes to get over there. Yeah.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  You drove too far. That makes no fucking sense.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  Because our, our town's, uh.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, our town, you'd go everywhere on a golf cart.

• 45:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:26Caleb Hammer?

  I could get everyone in Austin on a golf cart. Doesn't mean I'm going to.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Golf cart paths. There's golf cart parking at all of the grocery stores.

• 45:33Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, interesting. Um.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  It's like an old people community, almost.

• 45:37Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, okay, okay, okay, yeah.

• 45:39Speaker 03

  His stories are wrong. You're getting on my nerves.

• 45:42Caleb Hammer?

  You both are getting on my nerves.

• 45:44Speaker 04

  Hold on. He wants us to stop that?

• 45:45Speaker 03

  I don't care.

• 45:46Caleb Hammer?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Because you keep saying no.

• 45:50Speaker 04

  Keep up with us here.

• 45:51Caleb Hammer?

  I'm trying. Okay, so.

• 45:54Speaker 03

  We haven't figured anything out. You won't even.

• 45:58Caleb Hammer?

  I think it makes sense that he would have a little bit of trust issues if he found out you fucked your ex. I think her.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  No, he found that out last year. He said it didn't happen. So what about the other six years?

• 46:09Speaker 04

  In a previous.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  No, what about the other six years?

• 46:12Speaker 04

  Relationship.

• 46:13Speaker 03

  What?

• 46:14Speaker 04

  After being cheated on in a previous relationship.

• 46:17Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, that's not her.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I'm saying there's it's always in the back of your mind, right?

• 46:48Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, but what you choose to

• 46:49Speaker 03

  Get over it.

• 46:49Caleb Hammer?

  Well, not necessarily, but

• 46:51Speaker 04

  And then you see this with the one you're with now.

• 46:52Caleb Hammer?

  No, his actions based on his thoughts are his choice though, so.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  So one time of seeing my ex follow me home is reason to keep on going and going and going to the point

• 47:02Caleb Hammer?

  People do have sex with sexes.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  of having sex with women. Could you accuse me of being with women too? You just said yes, but I've never been with a woman.

• 47:10Caleb Hammer?

  Tell me, Nathaniel.

• 47:13Speaker 03

  You just shook your head yes. Don't smile like it's not true.

• 47:16Caleb Hammer?

  What is she doing with women?

• 47:17Speaker 03

  The roommate?

• 47:18Caleb Hammer?

  The roommate she moved into, though.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Remember we opened the door?

• 47:21Speaker 04

  Oh, you like flirty flirting around with your roommate to make you feel like that?

• 47:26Speaker 03

  Didn't he just say that I mother her?

• 47:28Speaker 04

  This is the manipulation that happens over here.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  Ten minutes ago, I was mothering her and that I have to take care of her and now I'm flirting.

• 47:36Speaker 04

  No, no, I don't.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  Then why do you say it?

• 47:39Speaker 04

  Because if you're gonna manipulate me to think that, then I'm gonna come at you like that.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  I'm not manipulating you by being nice to somebody.

• 47:45Speaker 04

  This is what she does.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  Okay, what do I do?

• 47:47Caleb Hammer?

  Tell me what she does.

• 47:48Speaker 04

  Manipulate somebody into fighting with you.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  But how?

• 47:51Speaker 04

  And then you've got screenshots, you've got everything else to back it off.

• 47:56Caleb Hammer?

  Shut up! Shut up!

• 47:58Speaker 04

  And that makes them the wrong person for calling you out on it.

• 48:01Caleb Hammer?

  How did she manipulate you, though?

• 48:03Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying.

• 48:04Caleb Hammer?

  No, no, how?

• 48:05Speaker 04

  How?

• 48:06Caleb Hammer?

  You're telling me she manipulated you in thinking?

• 48:08Speaker 04

  To think it?

• 48:09Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, what did she do to manipulate you?

• 48:10Speaker 04

  Just their behavior together.

• 48:11Caleb Hammer?

  No, tell me, in specific, how did she manipulate you?

• 48:14Speaker 04

  I don't know, they're just flirty talking to each other or, you know what I'm saying?

• 48:20Speaker 03

  How is flirty talking? Because I have never flirted with her. She wouldn't even be my type.

• 48:26Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  She's not.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  See, that type of stuff.

• 48:29Caleb Hammer?

  She's bi?

• 48:30Speaker 04

  That type of stuff right there will my type.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  No, neither one of us are. I'm just saying.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  You know what I'm saying?

• 48:35Speaker 03

  Well, if I can't.

• 48:35Speaker 04

  You're just throwing it out there that there is that option.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  I'm poking you because if I can't have a friend, I am now

• 48:41Speaker 04

  Exactly, you just admitted it. You're poking the b-

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Shut the f up for a second and listen. If you're going to accuse me of doing it over and over and over and over for me just being nice and friendly, then you know what? You kind of deserve a little poke every now and then.

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• 50:25Speaker 03

  Because you created the issue. There would not be an issue if you didn't create the issue.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  Well, to this day, you do it.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  To this day, you still accuse me, seven years later. Because I make a joke.

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Maybe it's just back and forth.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  No.

• 50:38Speaker 04

  It's a joke to you, but it's not to me, but a joke for me. Something that's a joke to me isn't to you.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Oh, but I have to suck it up and deal with it if it's okay for you to do it. Because it's not okay for me. I don't ask you for that.

• 50:52Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. If we talked to your friend that you drink with sometimes, she would stand on business that she [__] her ass, ex.

• 51:01Speaker 04

  I, yeah.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 51:03Caleb Hammer?

  Is that the one that we're calling?

• 51:05Speaker 04

  No.

• 51:06Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, can we call her?

• 51:09Speaker 04

  No, we can't call the ex.

• 51:10Caleb Hammer?

  Not the, not the ex, not the You're still friends with her, though, right?

• 51:16Speaker 04

  No, we don't speak anymore.

• 51:17Caleb Hammer?

  What happened?

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Um, it's to keep the peace.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  No.

• 51:21Caleb Hammer?

  The peace, you guys are separate.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  You don't live with me, so why don't you talk to her?

• 51:24Speaker 04

  It doesn't matter.

• 51:25Speaker 03

  I don't harass her, that doesn't make sense.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  Because you want to accuse me of something, then I'll just, I'll just cut the woman out of my life if that makes you happy.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  I don't buy that.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  Here's what I'm doing for you.

• 51:34Speaker 03

  I don't buy that. I don't buy that at one point. Then why didn't you cut her out the other three years that I had an issue with her? Why'd you wait until we're split up to now all of a sudden it matters to cut her out?

• 51:46Speaker 04

  Because we weren't talking divorce back then. We weren't talking

• 51:50Speaker 03

  We weren't?

• 51:50Speaker 04

  We weren't separated back then. We didn't live in separate homes.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  You lived with her for almost a month at one point.

• 51:57Speaker 04

  No, I did not, and when I did stay at her house, she was not even in the country. She wasn't even in the country. She was in Spain seeing her son.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  Four years ago.

• 52:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, she was in Spain seeing her son.

• 52:12Speaker 03

  Her son, that was two years ago. That was a year.

• 52:14Speaker 04

  Four years ago, I may have spent three, four days there.

• 52:16Speaker 03

  You spent a month there.

• 52:18Speaker 04

  No way I did.

• 52:20Speaker 03

  I could pull out a screenshot, but then I'll be guilty of having the proof that he hates.

• 52:26Caleb Hammer?

  Screenshots of what even? Even what are you saying? Because the last ones were nothing, I'll be honest.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  Because, well, I can keep finding the

• 52:33Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, screenshots of what? What are you saying, screenshots of what now?

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Just to prove that he was gone living there for a month, because he said he was only gone for three, four days.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, and then back.

• 52:45Caleb Hammer?

  My grandpa confirms he does not know who you are.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Does he know his family, though? He has a big family.

• 52:52Caleb Hammer?

  I gave the last name.

• 52:53Speaker 03

  That's not the family. I would say his mom aside. I'll tell you later.

• 52:57Caleb Hammer?

  No, tell me now, we'll bleep it.

• 52:59Speaker 03

  What? Isn't that mom's?

• 53:01Caleb Hammer?

  Are you supposed to?

• 53:02Speaker 04

  Last moms.

• 53:07Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so, um, oh, [__] guys. So you guys have been separated for a bit now.

• 53:17Speaker 04

  A bit, yes.

• 53:17Caleb Hammer?

  What's our consideration at this moment? Is we're getting back together or divorce?

• 53:22Speaker 04

  Well, I would like to get back together.

• 53:24Caleb Hammer?

  Why?

• 53:26Speaker 04

  Because I care deeply about her and our kids.

• 53:29Caleb Hammer?

  The kids for her, get it. You don't trust her.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  I don't, but it is something I'm willing to work on.

• 53:36Caleb Hammer?

  You're willing to work on? You've tried seven years of working on this, no? You're insecure. You are an insecure man.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:43Caleb Hammer?

  And you act on that by projecting aggressively on your partner. That is not a good thing. You are deeply insecure. Why the [__] would she ever get back with that? I think you work on it and then get back together, right? Where do you stand? He wants to get back together. Where do you stand? The non-trusted whore.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  I don't know. If he could cut that out and actually just be normal, then I would consider it. But he can't. I would so far Yes, I put cameras everywhere in our house.

• 54:19Caleb Hammer?

  Why?

• 54:20Speaker 03

  Because he accused me and the roommate of doing stuff. Ask him if he ever found anything inappropriate on the cameras. I would put cameras in my bedroom.

• 54:27Caleb Hammer?

  No, because it was deleted?

• 54:29Speaker 03

  He thinks I delete things off the cameras.

• 54:30Caleb Hammer?

  No, no, no, what do you mean it was deleted?

• 54:32Speaker 04

  Or the camera just

• 54:33Caleb Hammer?

  Did you find it was deleted?

• 54:34Speaker 04

  You don't have access to it for that couple of minutes, you know? It's just a, it's just really a coincidence.

• 54:41Caleb Hammer?

  You guys don't do [__].

• 54:43Speaker 04

  No.

• 54:45Caleb Hammer?

  What drugs do you do? Well, no, because, I mean, your bottom row of teeth are a little [__] up and you have fake teeth here, right?

• 54:52Speaker 04

  Well, that's kids, man. She's got a lot of kids.

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that's because I have some serious health.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  Eats the calcium out of your body.

• 54:57Caleb Hammer?

  And then you look like you've done [__].

• 54:58Speaker 04

  No.

• 54:59Caleb Hammer?

  No?

• 54:59Speaker 04

  No.

• 55:00Caleb Hammer?

  So, okay.

• 55:02Speaker 04

  A lot of things in my life.

• 55:03Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, well, that must be it, then.

• 55:05Speaker 04

  Well, let's not go there. But I've also worked 35 years in carpentry out in the sun.

• 55:09Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, well, I mean, what are you, Jesus Christ?

• 55:11Speaker 04

  I'm just saying, I beat my body up, so the withered look that you're saying.

• 55:18Speaker 04

  How old are you, 35?

• 55:19Speaker 03

  He is not.

• 55:22Speaker 04

  If you look in it, are you younger?

• 55:24Caleb Hammer?

  I'm okay with that. Listen, I accept that. This show stresses me out.

• 55:27Speaker 04

  Okay, well.

• 55:28Caleb Hammer?

  You, though, my friend.

• 55:30Speaker 04

  There's a lot of stress in my life as well. Do you not see it?

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:34Caleb Hammer?

  Why do you think she deleted footage?

• 55:38Speaker 03

  Because you can't find it.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  You can't find it.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  Because I've never done anything. That's the thing.

• 55:44Caleb Hammer?

  Why can't he find it?

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Because I've never cheated on him, so there's nothing to delete.

• 55:47Caleb Hammer?

  Why can't he find the footage?

• 55:48Speaker 03

  Oh, he can find all of it. He's just saying he thinks that I still have done something. I deleted it.

• 55:53Caleb Hammer?

  Is there specific sections you couldn't find?

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:57Speaker 03

  You're wrong. He's so lying.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  Hey, we went to a concert a couple, what, a month ago? And then when we came home, the camera just happened to be turned off for like an hour.

• 56:08Speaker 03

  Ask him how he has access to a camera he doesn't live in, because I gave him access to prove to him even though he doesn't live there.

• 56:15Speaker 04

  Didn't work for an hour when you got home.

• 56:17Speaker 03

  That, I was upstairs.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  None of them, in fact, because there's one in the house.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  So he didn't know where I was. With who?

• 56:25Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  I was by myself in my bedroom. You don't have to have access to me 24/7.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  It's funny, because I don't.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  He saw me come home alone.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  The camera that points onto the driveway was disconnected, the camera that was in the.

• 56:37Caleb Hammer?

  It wasn't? How could we disagree on this?

• 56:39Speaker 04

  Hold on, hold on. There was a camera in the kitchen and the kids were up. 20 minutes.

• 56:44Speaker 03

  That's the other thing. He thinks I'm bringing men home with the children. But the children, you can ask them. Yep, see?

• 56:51Caleb Hammer?

  Who, who?

• 56:51Speaker 04

  Hooting and hollering. And then all of a sudden, 20 minutes later, the camera doesn't work when people come in the house and walk through that room or anything?

• 56:59Speaker 03

  The cameras went quiet. We went to our rooms. The camera didn't cut out.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  You can't pull the sheets over my eyes like that. That's ridiculous. I know how things work.

• 57:08Speaker 03

  So he saw me come in alone. He saw me in the kitchen with all the children alone, but he thinks the camera cut out and then I snuck somebody in the house and took them to the bedroom.

• 57:17Caleb Hammer?

  I gotta get into these finances, guys, but this is so unresolved.

• 57:20Speaker 03

  I do not.

• 57:21Caleb Hammer?

  Fucking unresolved. This is like, this is so hard to move on from.

• 57:24Speaker 03

  Do you not see how crazy all of this is?

• 57:26Caleb Hammer?

  A little, but I'm trying to get the full picture.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  Okay, but if I'm cheating on you, why am I giving you access to cameras in my house? I don't have to give you access to shit.

• 57:34Caleb Hammer?

  But then his argument is, why are the cameras cut off?

• 57:36Speaker 03

  And guess what I did? As soon as he yelled at me about that and made up that whole story, I took away his access and I changed the password. Why? Because I'm not gonna defend stuff still, so now he says I changed the pass. See?

• 57:47Speaker 04

  That makes me feel even better.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Because now I changed it because I'm cheating.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  So this is. What does that do to you?

• 57:52Speaker 03

  I can't win. Tell him. How am I supposed to win this argument?

• 57:57Caleb Hammer?

  So this is a woman you believe is taking men to her house or something. Why would you want to get back together with that?

• 58:06Speaker 03

  He lives three miles down the road, can come to my house and come in my house at any time.

• 58:11Caleb Hammer?

  Free use.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  Why would he think that I'm cheating? Why would I allow him to have that access of coming over unannounced if I was doing something? It doesn't logically make sense. Somebody tell him this.

• 58:25Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, you just told him it. What's your response?

• 58:27Speaker 03

  What's your response?

• 58:28Caleb Hammer?

  I want to know what's going on in there.

• 58:29Speaker 03

  I hide him in the closet?

• 58:30Caleb Hammer?

  Shut up, woman!

• 58:33Speaker 04

  I just think it's very calculated and timed correctly.

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• 59:04Speaker 04

  Whatever, whenever, because.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  I would need an example. I can't. Shh, shh, shh, shh.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  People tend to over-explain themselves when they're liars.

• 59:16Speaker 03

  If I don't explain myself, then I get 30 more questions and then it's, oh, well, you can't think of a lie quick enough. So which way would you like it? Why do I have to explain myself? Don't question me when it has nothing to do with anything.

• 59:29Caleb Hammer?

  How often are you checking the cameras?

• 59:30Speaker 04

  I can't.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  He can't now.

• 59:32Caleb Hammer?

  Before, before, before.

• 59:33Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't know. Just that day because I knew what the events were going on. You know what I'm saying?

• 59:40Caleb Hammer?

  No. Come on, how often were you checking them?

• 59:43Speaker 04

  Probably like in the morning and the evening to see who's coming and going, make sure the kids are fine.

• 59:48Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, and you guys were, how many months separated at that point?

• 59:51Speaker 04

  And also, you realize the camera's just like, be doop. So it's not me checking. It's the camera telling me, hey, I get a notification, so.

• 59:59Speaker 03

  Because there's 12 people that live in my house. There's gonna be a lot of notifications.

• 1:00:03Speaker 04

  I would just turn the notifications off.

• 1:00:05Caleb Hammer?

  And then you would freak out when they were offline?

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  Later in the day when I looked at it.

• 1:00:09Caleb Hammer?

  When they're offline, you would freak out? What would he do? What did he do?

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  Just like he just did. Accuse me. I cut out.

• 1:00:16Caleb Hammer?

  What did he communicate? How would this happen?

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Oh, via text usually.

• 1:00:20Caleb Hammer?

  And you're gonna get back together with it?

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  I said if he stops that, but he won't stop that, which is why he's not back inside my house. He says he's going to.

• 1:00:28Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, well, demonstrate that first. Right.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  He can't.

• 1:00:31Caleb Hammer?

  No, I, buddy.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  We got a fight at the airport on the way here, because I ordered my kids pizza, texted my babysitter and said, I just ordered y'all pizza, and as I'm sitting right next to him this close.

• 1:00:43Caleb Hammer?

  From where?

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  Papa John's.

• 1:00:46Caleb Hammer?

  Nice, go on.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  Okay. He says, who are you texting?

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  From the phone with the, you know.

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  I'm a grown adult. I don't have to. He said, who are you texting? I said, the babysitter.

• 1:00:56Speaker 04

  Why do we hide it? Why do you hide a screen that hides everything?

• 1:00:59Caleb Hammer?

  Everything that's happening, though.

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:01:01Caleb Hammer?

  Because I'll ask casually, oh, who are you talking to? But not like I need to know. It's like conversation. No, no, but you need to know everything.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  Sitting right next to each other?

• 1:01:10Caleb Hammer?

  So?

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  So, you think I'm texting another man when I'm sitting right next to you? See how illogical it makes?

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  Then why ask me?

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  Why not answer out of, out of common courtesy?

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  Because I don't want to answer every time I touch my phone.

• 1:01:25Caleb Hammer?

  If it wasn't every time.

• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  It's every time. It's every time I touch my phone.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  We're fine for a couple of months and then some shady behavior happens.

• 1:01:36Speaker 03

  He can't say what the behavior is. He just says it's shady. It's not shady in my eyes because I don't do anything. So what is shady?

• 1:01:43Speaker 04

  Shady behavior.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:01:44Caleb Hammer?

  Give him the chance to say what it.

• 1:01:46Speaker 04

  Just off-putting me. I ask you something and you don't come forth with.

• 1:01:53Caleb Hammer?

  So it's intuition?

• 1:01:54Speaker 04

  The answer that, yeah, maybe it is. The answer that I'm thinking is, maybe I'm just overthinking things.

• 1:02:01Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  The answer you think it's gonna be.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  Is like a defense mechanism of me trying to protect myself. I don't want to get hurt again.

• 1:02:10Caleb Hammer?

  I understand that, but don't you think maybe you are hurting yourself by projecting this and then she's gone? But you were doing this yesterday on the way to fly into Austin.

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:02:20Caleb Hammer?

  That's not changing it before you get back together. Why would she get back together?

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  I didn't make a big deal out of it. This one makes a big deal out of it every time.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  Of every time I pick up a phone being questioned.

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  You can't just give me some grace.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  Why do you have to know? No, it's been 70 years and you have, I've never done anything wrong. Grace period is over. It's change period. It's piss or get off the hot.

• 1:02:40Caleb Hammer?

  Someone told him that you did your ex, so I understand.

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  But he was doing this long before.

• 1:02:46Speaker 04

  And this is exactly.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  He was doing that long before, and that was also six years ago, that she's claiming that happened. So if we're gonna go on that.

• 1:02:52Caleb Hammer?

  I know, but that would hurt him.

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  True. It didn't happen. But if he wants to use that, then he needs to make a decision. Either you stop holding it over my head to change.

• 1:03:02Caleb Hammer?

  No, no, no. Tell me, Nate, do you believe today? Do you believe she did it or didn't do it?

• 1:03:07Speaker 04

  I think she did.

• 1:03:09Caleb Hammer?

  Why do you think that?

• 1:03:10Speaker 04

  I think she did because.

• 1:03:11Caleb Hammer?

  Why do you trust that other source?

• 1:03:12Speaker 04

  Loved him a lot to have six children with him.

• 1:03:14Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  And I understand when you break up with somebody and somebody new is in your, in your life and you guys have a fight, sure, you would want to go back to the person you were with before.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  We also were not married at the time. He and I were dating. Caleb, he and I were dating.

• 1:03:28Speaker 04

  You love the logic there?

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  That he's claiming. We were not married. We were together for two months. I'm saying we were dating for two months.

• 1:03:35Caleb Hammer?

  Does that matter? It's still cheating is cheating. I love a good ex, but not when you're with the current.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  That's why you leave your ex. Your ex is for revenge.

• 1:03:43Caleb Hammer?

  It's fun to go back to a wild, like.

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  Sure, but not when you live with the person.

• 1:03:49Caleb Hammer?

  Not when you're with your current, though. And it is a little weird that you're kind of defending it by saying, well, we weren't even married. We were just dating.

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, because in his logic, no, if I did it, that's what I'm saying. If I did it, I could admit to it because we weren't married. What does it matter? We had gotten in a fight that day. He had a play. Ask him where he went the very next day, because he flew back to Illinois.

• 1:04:09Caleb Hammer?

  The very next day?

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  Back to Illinois because we had, we had a fight that night, which is why he thinks that happened.

• 1:04:15Speaker 04

  Because it was Christmas. I went back to see my kids. We were having a fight before that.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  You did not go back to see the kids. You went back.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  Yes, I did, and I came back, and when I came back, you had had Christmas with your ex and the children at our house.

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  That's a lie also. That is a blatant lie.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  No, no, it is not.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  He had never come to that house, ever.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  Okay, you told me you had Christmas with him. Maybe you went, maybe you went to his house. Either way, you still had Christmas.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  I took the kids to his mother's house, hung out there for an hour. They had Christmas. And the only reason you had all of these details was because you asked 17 million questions and took what I said and spun it into, I had Christmas with him. I hung out with my ex-in-laws for an hour after dropping the children off.

• 1:05:07Caleb Hammer?

  Dare I ask what you guys think your financial score is? Is that even a question?

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  I forgot what the we were here for, if I'm being honest.

• 1:05:15Caleb Hammer?

  Well, your email was, we're either leaving here together or getting a divorce. Um, the together part seems very far away.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  Point two.

• 1:05:24Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, very good. Listen, here's, um, and get your hammer financial score for free as always at CalebHammer.com. See where you stand in the world of finances. But the thing is, you want to get back together with her. Do you want to get to better?

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  You got it.

• 1:05:37Caleb Hammer?

  Sorry, I did the amount of you guys did. Do you want to get back to?

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  That was aggressive as hell.

• 1:05:44Caleb Hammer?

  Mark. Do you want to get?

• 1:05:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, Mark.

• 1:05:48Caleb Hammer?

  Woman beater. Go defend your woman.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  He doesn't, he doesn't watch all those people. He doesn't know who that is. Keep going, sorry.

• 1:05:55Caleb Hammer?

  Doesn't, he knows who it is. He just saw him. What?

• 1:06:00Caleb Hammer?

  Woman. Do you want to get back together with him?

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  In the grander scheme of things, or right this very second? I can't answer that question.

• 1:06:10Caleb Hammer?

  Grander scheme of things.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  Not with the way he is right now, no.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  Cause it's a scheme.

• 1:06:14Caleb Hammer?

  But is he changing? Would he change? Can he change?

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:06:18Caleb Hammer?

  I would suggest no.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  Can change.

• 1:06:20Caleb Hammer?

  No, I don't think so. I think it's in your tendency.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  Okay, he wants support. What kind of support do you need from me?

• 1:06:24Speaker 04

  Just support me and tell me, hi, I'm not doing that. Why would you think that?

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  I did!

• 1:06:28Caleb Hammer?

  But that's not you changing. That's saying you're changing. That's her responding in a different way. That's not her, you changing.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  Isn't me answering his questions?

• 1:06:35Caleb Hammer?

  That's you, that's her giving you the response you want.

• 1:06:38Speaker 04

  Me some faith and me changing afterwards.

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  Have I not been doing it for this whole time? No, valid question, Caleb. He said, I have to show him and prove him. I show him and prove him on the phone, or he has access to it. But he also just said that when I explain things and I'm over explaining because I'm guilty. So how do you want support? Tell me, you tell me how the support would look to you.

• 1:07:00Speaker 04

  I'm not asking for you to explain things.

• 1:07:02Caleb Hammer?

  He just did, he just did.

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  Then why are you questioning it?

• 1:07:03Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, fuck!

• 1:07:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Caleb Hammer?

  He just did. He said the support he wants is you just catering to the answer he desires.

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  I don't know what answer he wants.

• 1:07:13Caleb Hammer?

  He just said, he just said.

• 1:07:15Speaker 03

  Well, that's not me. So you got the wrong bitch.

• 1:07:17Caleb Hammer?

  I agree. I'm on your side. If you would just shut the fuck up.

• 1:07:20Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:07:21Caleb Hammer?

  Good death, woman. Whoa!

• 1:07:27Caleb Hammer?

  That's not you changing. That's you wanting her to give a specific, specific answer that you want.

• 1:07:33Speaker 04

  Maybe so.

• 1:07:34Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, so you're not changing.

• 1:07:38Caleb Hammer?

  You're insecure and you're like conspiracy brained.

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  Big time. The conspiracies are bad.

• 1:07:46Caleb Hammer?

  Does he have more conspiracies outside of you?

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  No, they all just wrap around me and my ability to change cameras, delete cameras.

• 1:07:53Caleb Hammer?

  Who killed Charlie Kirk?

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  I couldn't tell you.

• 1:07:56Caleb Hammer?

  Who did 9/11?

• 1:07:59Caleb Hammer?

  Oh.

• 1:08:00Speaker 04

  Who did 9/11?

• 1:08:01Caleb Hammer?

  Who did 9/11?

• 1:08:02Speaker 04

  Osama?

• 1:08:03Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  Ben Hayden?

• 1:08:05Caleb Hammer?

  Did?

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  He's logical on everything else. Just not me.

• 1:08:09Caleb Hammer?

  Who killed JFK?

• 1:08:11Speaker 04

  The second gunman on the Grassy Knoll.

• 1:08:13Caleb Hammer?

  I don't know any other conspiracies. Is the world flat?

• 1:08:16Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:08:17Caleb Hammer?

  Okay. So is this her, huh?

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  Yep, it's just me. Exactly. So why?

• 1:08:23Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Why would you want to live like that? I don't want to live like that, which is why we don't live together. Cause I can't live like that.

• 1:08:29Caleb Hammer?

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• 1:08:35Speaker 03

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• 1:08:36Caleb Hammer?

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• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  Far from that.

• 1:08:39Caleb Hammer?

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• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  It's been a hot minute.

• 1:09:08Caleb Hammer?

  What's a hot minute?

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  I don't know. He's the one who keeps track of days.

• 1:09:12Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, once a month, that's exciting. I mean, you guys.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  Real exciting.

• 1:09:15Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you aren't together, so it's actually kind of like, hey, at least you still got it. All done. Who initiates?

• 1:09:21Speaker 04

  Me.

• 1:09:22Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, I mean, it would make sense, right? You guys aren't together.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:09:26Caleb Hammer?

  You, are you, do you consider yourselves together at all?

• 1:09:29Speaker 04

  I mean, I'm together.

• 1:09:30Caleb Hammer?

  You live separate, but are you guys?

• 1:09:32Speaker 04

  I'm here to support her for whatever she needs.

• 1:09:34Caleb Hammer?

  Got it, but do you consider you guys in a relationship?

• 1:09:37Speaker 04

  I think it's broken right now, yeah. Yeah, but it's broken right now.

• 1:09:41Caleb Hammer?

  You?

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

  I just say I'm married if anybody, I mean, nobody asks, I don't leave my house, so. I'm not dating, I'm not seeing anybody else, I'm not entertaining anybody, so.

• 1:09:49Caleb Hammer?

  Would he let you?

• 1:09:50Speaker 03

  Let me what?

• 1:09:51Caleb Hammer?

  You guys aren't even together. What if you did go on a date? What would happen?

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  I would never.

• 1:09:55Caleb Hammer?

  I'm saying if you did, what would happen? Why would you never?

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  Because I'm still married.

• 1:10:00Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, legally, but like emotionally, no you're not. Not like really.

• 1:10:05Speaker 03

  This relationship has emotionally fucked me enough. I won't date after this. I have zero desire.

• 1:10:10Caleb Hammer?

  So what do you want from me here? Cause I just can't, I don't know what. Why are you looking at me like that? What is happening?

• 1:10:18Speaker 03

  I don't know. I want you to tell me how to fix me.

• 1:10:21Caleb Hammer?

  You? You? So separate. We're taking it separate.

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, because I can't come, I don't know. He seems to think we can combine finances, but I don't like.

• 1:10:31Caleb Hammer?

  How are we even having that conversation after everything we talked about for the last hour and six minutes?

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  Because this is my real life. This is what we've been doing for seven years. We can go round and round about me cheating, me not cheating, me cheating, me not cheating.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  Me trying to support you, you starting to put every bill that we have in just your name and pay for them yourself, one by one.

• 1:10:52Caleb Hammer?

  Are you complaining about that, or do you want that?

• 1:10:54Speaker 04

  No, I did not want that. I want to be part of the relationship, not pushed out of it like this.

• 1:10:59Caleb Hammer?

  Why are you doing that? Why are you putting all the bills in your name?

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  Because then she's got the upper hand, then she can control everything.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  When he moved here, he didn't have a job, so he couldn't get.

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  It's like, it's like a, a, a constant struggle for control.

• 1:11:13Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm in control now.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  I don't want control. I don't need that control, but I would like to be a partner, not one of the children. You don't, you don't have to treat me like I'm one of the children. Treat me like your damn partner.

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  Don't treat me like your kid. Don't ask what I'm doing. Don't ask where I'm at. Don't ask who I'm texting. I'm not your kid.

• 1:11:32Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I think it's okay to ask where you're at, but not, not demanding like in a stock way.

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:38Speaker 03

  Oh, it's totally different.

• 1:11:40Caleb Hammer?

  I think you can say that.

• 1:11:41Speaker 03

  I would never.

• 1:11:41Speaker 04

  And then it builds up.

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it builds up. Six years.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

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• 1:12:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's built up.

• 1:12:15Speaker 04

  Yep. And then all the chit chats with your friends to support you on it, you know?

• 1:12:20Speaker 03

  That's just it, you can't, oh, but you have support for your friends.

• 1:12:23Caleb Hammer?

  What is this loan for?

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  Hmm, which one? Let me see.

• 1:12:29Caleb Hammer?

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• 1:13:06Speaker 03

  Oh, because when he got locked up.

• 1:13:09Caleb Hammer?

  Is this bail?

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  Huh?

• 1:13:11Caleb Hammer?

  Is this bond? You borrowed for bond?

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  No, no, I got that so that I could cover his portion of the rent and the bills for two months.

• 1:13:19Speaker 04

  How much is that, Caleb?

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  13,000.

• 1:13:21Caleb Hammer?

  This is a 401K loan?

• 1:13:22Speaker 03

  It's my 401K loan.

• 1:13:24Speaker 04

  So I went to jail and you just lived it up. You pulled out of your 401K?

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  Paid bills.

• 1:13:31Speaker 04

  You paid bills? 13,000 dollars worth of bills? I don't think so.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  It was one month. You didn't just listen. He has my financial statements. It was three months. I put the money away. You claim you pay all this money to save the house. Who do you think made that money after you left? I had no forewarning. You want me to go be homeless? No, I needed money.

• 1:13:53Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:13:54Speaker 03

  I didn't live it up. Do you see anything new sitting in my house?

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  Well, maybe if you kept in communication with me at all.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:14:00Speaker 04

  Um.

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  You were in jail, why do I have to communicate with you?

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  Because I was reaching out to you every single day.

• 1:14:06Speaker 03

  You were in jail for your stupid mistakes and I wasn't.

• 1:14:08Speaker 04

  Yes, I was. And I was reaching you every single day. And you know what I did do? Was I, I screwed up and I gave her access to my phone, which, so she could pay some bills.

• 1:14:19Speaker 03

  And I found all the sneaky, sneaky he was doing.

• 1:14:22Caleb Hammer?

  Oh my goodness. Isn't that what you're accusing her of?

• 1:14:25Speaker 03

  Yep, he was the one doing it though the whole time, not me.

• 1:14:29Speaker 04

  So, so.

• 1:14:31Speaker 03

  But he's mad at me. He's mad at me.

• 1:14:34Caleb Hammer?

  What is he doing?

• 1:14:35Speaker 04

  We're months and months into this.

• 1:14:37Speaker 03

  Oh, that's funny. It's funny when it was him doing it.

• 1:14:40Caleb Hammer?

  Pause. You tell me what he did.

• 1:14:42Speaker 04

  Hold on. Talking to somebody via text is not fucking cheating.

• 1:14:47Caleb Hammer?

  Well, yes, it could, it definitely could be.

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  Not somebody halfway across the country that you cannot physically.

• 1:14:53Caleb Hammer?

  That's not how it works.

• 1:14:55Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:14:56Caleb Hammer?

  That's not how it works.

• 1:14:57Speaker 03

  That is not an interpretation of it.

• 1:14:59Speaker 04

  Emotionally meant, yes.

• 1:15:01Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, tell me what he was doing. You.

• 1:15:02Speaker 04

  What you're saying.

• 1:15:03Speaker 03

  Uh, like you said, it was just talking to people on social media, what I would call inappropriate conversations. All of the messages with him and that friend. Uh, the way he spoke to me, to his mother, like they were texting there about his mom, just the way they were just dogging and saying stuff. A couple, I don't know if they were necessarily dating sites, but they were like.

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  Links to like paid either like chat.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  She thinks I was in chat group or chat room.

• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  You had the link on your phone.

• 1:15:36Speaker 04

  Like a chat room.

• 1:15:38Caleb Hammer?

  What were you doing?

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  The link to login.

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  It wasn't a login.

• 1:15:43Caleb Hammer?

  What was the link?

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  I have no idea.

• 1:15:46Speaker 03

  I don't even remember what it was either, but it was like one of those.

• 1:15:48Speaker 04

  It was probably something that I was like, I was like, I'll do this and then I didn't do anything.

• 1:15:54Speaker 03

  But why did you create the account?

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  But.

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  But why, we were still together. We were together. We were together then. Why would you create the account?

• 1:16:01Caleb Hammer?

  Can you not watch porn when you're together?

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  Oh no, this wasn't for porn. This was for like meetups. Yeah, he can watch porn. I watch porn. That's cool. I'm not mad about porn sites. It was a creating an account to talk to people or like the webcam girls kind of things. Those, that's different than porn.

• 1:16:16Caleb Hammer?

  You were doing cam girl sites?

• 1:16:18Speaker 03

  That's what the site was.

• 1:16:19Caleb Hammer?

  Now who, this person he was talking to, he was just venting about you? He wasn't flirting, he wasn't exchanging nudes?

• 1:16:25Speaker 03

  His mom was the venting. No, there was like.

• 1:16:28Caleb Hammer?

  Who's this person across the country he was talking to?

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  I don't know. I didn't know there was somebody across the country. I found six.

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  That was just a general statement.

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  Oh really? You just had a whole general?

• 1:16:37Speaker 04

  It was just a general statement. This person could be halfway across the country.

• 1:16:40Caleb Hammer?

  Who? What person are you talking about?

• 1:16:43Speaker 04

  There was like two girls that I said something to.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  Oh now it's two. Now it's two.

• 1:16:48Caleb Hammer?

  Where'd you find them?

• 1:16:49Speaker 04

  I don't know. It was like Facebook or something like that.

• 1:16:51Caleb Hammer?

  A random girl on Facebook?

• 1:16:53Speaker 03

  I can't go on Facebook. I can't go on Facebook.

• 1:16:56Caleb Hammer?

  Go on Facebook?

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  If I go on Facebook and a dude likes my picture, I'm [__] him even though he lives in a whole nother state. But he can talk to girls. Do you see the?

• 1:17:05Caleb Hammer?

  How would you find them on Facebook?

• 1:17:07Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:17:08Caleb Hammer?

  No, come on. Don't bullshit me. What do you mean?

• 1:17:10Speaker 04

  I have no idea.

• 1:17:11Caleb Hammer?

  What, they popped up and recommended? Was it Facebook dating? What was it?

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  On a, on a po- a post or something.

• 1:17:16Speaker 03

  So why do you think it's okay to reach out?

• 1:17:18Speaker 04

  They commented. I commented. They commented on my comment. Something like that. You know?

• 1:17:22Speaker 03

  Funny how that works. The double standards. The double standard.

• 1:17:26Caleb Hammer?

  That is, that is wild double standards.

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  The wrong thing you're saying that I'm doing is what you've been doing.

• 1:17:31Speaker 04

  But there's been no behavior like that.

• 1:17:33Caleb Hammer?

  What do you mean? You're talking to other women though. So.

• 1:17:37Speaker 04

  Over a year and a half, two years.

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  From me ever.

• 1:17:40Speaker 04

  That was six months prior to you even getting into my phone.

• 1:17:44Speaker 03

  Oh, that's just what I found. Do you hear that? That's, or more. That's just what I found.

• 1:17:48Speaker 04

  And we were going through a rough time, sure. And I was probably drinking and stupid messing with my phone.

• 1:17:53Caleb Hammer?

  And what if she did that?

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  Then we'd be sitting right here doing the same thing, fighting back and forth over it. I mean.

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  Well, why do I still have to defend something I didn't do that you did? You're the [__] on doing a double standard.

• 1:18:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:18:07Caleb Hammer?

  What, uh, or?

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  I didn't do any of that.

• 1:18:10Caleb Hammer?

  What other sneaky behavior did you find?

• 1:18:13Caleb Hammer?

  You said sneaky behavior. It was just cam girl stuff? That was it?

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  It was that. It was the.

• 1:18:18Caleb Hammer?

  It's not gray, but I mean.

• 1:18:19Speaker 03

  It was the social media stuff. A lot of it, because social media has always been an issue. Like he said, just talking, messaging women.

• 1:18:27Caleb Hammer?

  What was he saying though?

• 1:18:29Speaker 03

  I don't even remember, but it's the point that you even do it because if I'm even on, if I was on Facebook or anything and a dude reached out to me, it would be a whole thing.

• 1:18:38Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so I got you two 401K loans, thirteen thousand and two thousand three hundred. And that counting the minimums payments because it gets taken from your pay before it hits.

• 1:18:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:46Caleb Hammer?

  So let's see this. What are we looking at here? We got, okay, profit sharing plan. I see. So if someone draws and fees.

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  Those are mine.

• 1:18:52Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, got it. But I'm trying to get the.

• 1:18:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I.

• 1:18:54Caleb Hammer?

  Here's another 401K loan. No, this is the one I already put down, so. Because you gave multiple months?

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  I, yeah, that's more. I don't know why it printed out like that.

• 1:19:04Caleb Hammer?

  Don't get close to me.

• 1:19:06Speaker 03

  No, I'm not. I'm just looking.

• 1:19:07Caleb Hammer?

  You, you back up.

• 1:19:09Speaker 03

  I'll back way up.

• 1:19:10Caleb Hammer?

  You back up.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  I smell good. I don't care what you say.

• 1:19:13Caleb Hammer?

  You guys don't smell bad. So I have to suffer through many bad smelling things. You do not smell bad. Do I smell bad? People say I look like I smell bad. Do I smell bad?

• 1:19:21Speaker 03

  No. Your attitude's a little shitty sometimes, but.

• 1:19:24Caleb Hammer?

  Woman, you're a whore.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  I mean, it was a married whore.

• 1:19:29Caleb Hammer?

  Many marriages. This is just more retirement things, right?

• 1:19:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, I don't know why it printed out like that. I honestly just downloaded like my statement and it sent all of that.

• 1:19:38Caleb Hammer?

  Now these 401K loans, why am I being told you blame financial law, financial audit on them? Because I've never recommended that.

• 1:19:44Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't know.

• 1:19:47Caleb Hammer?

  Is this just like earlier when you said the [__] I say I don't like averages when I actually do?

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  There's something in there. I don't know. My brain not.

• 1:19:57Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, I can tell.

• 1:19:58Speaker 03

  Not working.

• 1:19:59Caleb Hammer?

  You're cooked.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  No, I think honestly, I don't know. I don't know. Now you're yelling at me and I'm overwhelmed.

• 1:20:08Caleb Hammer?

  What do you think the show is? Okay, you have a credit one card.

• 1:20:12Speaker 03

  Me or him?

• 1:20:13Speaker 04

  Me.

• 1:20:14Speaker 03

  You're just waving the pen. You're not. You're waving the pen behind you.

• 1:20:17Caleb Hammer?

  To what direction?

• 1:20:19Speaker 03

  To the La Boo Boo.

• 1:20:21Caleb Hammer?

  Is the La Boo Boo pointed this way?

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  It is from where I'm sitting.

• 1:20:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:20:26Caleb Hammer?

  You suck at everything.

• 1:20:29Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, buddy, what are you doing? Why do you have such a large balance? Oh, over the limit, credit one account, eight hundred five dollars.

• 1:20:36Speaker 04

  I don't know. I think, um, like we were talking about with the feast and famine situation, I think sometimes.

• 1:20:43Caleb Hammer?

  Is it ever a feast?

• 1:20:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:45Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, you feast on credit. Lots of fees, lots of interest. It's a forty one dollar minimum to payment. And then here you have a premier bank card.

• 1:20:54Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:55Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, well, you're spending on it. Sounds like famine.

• 1:20:58Speaker 04

  To, to make up for whoever needs what.

• 1:21:01Caleb Hammer?

  Who needs what?

• 1:21:03Speaker 03

  That's not.

• 1:21:03Speaker 04

  Who knows?

• 1:21:04Caleb Hammer?

  Who knows? You should know. You're the one swiping.

• 1:21:06Speaker 04

  Well, let's look through the statement then and see exactly what I spent on.

• 1:21:09Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you started over the limit. Now you ended at five thirty eight seventy four with a minimum monthly payment of thirty eight dollars. Now.

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  But I thought you made five thousand dollars a month. Your bills aren't five thousand dollars a month, so why are you using your credit card? I know.

• 1:21:24Caleb Hammer?

  It's Adobe.

• 1:21:25Speaker 03

  Why are you using your credit cards if you're making?

• 1:21:29Caleb Hammer?

  Credit score is five hundred.

• 1:21:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:33Caleb Hammer?

  We don't even know what he's spending because he refuses to send his cash up where he spends all his money. You know that?

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  I didn't find that out till today. I had no idea he doesn't use his bank account.

• 1:21:40Caleb Hammer?

  You didn't send us your cash up where you spend all your money?

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  Why didn't you send us your cash up?

• 1:21:43Speaker 04

  I did. I sent two separate. Yeah, I can show you. I sent two separate emails.

• 1:21:51Caleb Hammer?

  They're saying no.

• 1:21:52Speaker 04

  It just didn't go through?

• 1:21:52Caleb Hammer?

  And they're better at this than you are. Uh, credit one, you have another one, dude. Okay. Whoa, this is the highest credit one I've ever seen. They always do small limits. Three thousand, three hundred twenty eight dollars and twenty six cents. Again, it was an Adobe subscription on that previous one. What was that someone that needed?

• 1:22:10Speaker 04

  Adobe?

• 1:22:11Caleb Hammer?

  Yes.

• 1:22:12Speaker 04

  Adobe.

• 1:22:12Caleb Hammer?

  Adobe. It just is Adobe. I don't [__] know. It just is Adobe.

• 1:22:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's probably.

• 1:22:18Caleb Hammer?

  Minimum to payment on this.

• 1:22:19Speaker 04

  Scam.

• 1:22:19Caleb Hammer?

  Enter.

• 1:22:20Speaker 03

  Why are you paying for a scam for thirty dollars?

• 1:22:24Caleb Hammer?

  How is it a scam? There's no personal responsibility. It's immediately.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  San Jose.

• 1:22:30Caleb Hammer?

  Well, that's where it's based out of [__]. It's immediately a conspiracy to you though.

• 1:22:34Speaker 04

  No, I'm saying that, that it's probably something that I signed up for.

• 1:22:40Caleb Hammer?

  It's not a scam then.

• 1:22:41Speaker 04

  And didn't, and didn't opt out of it in the thirty days or whatever. So then you're charged for it every month.

• 1:22:46Speaker 03

  But see, that's the way he perceives things if it doesn't.

• 1:22:48Speaker 04

  And I'm like, well, they scammed me because I forgot about it.

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  That didn't scam you. That's your fault for forgetting it.

• 1:22:53Speaker 04

  They didn't do it, but they're preying on you to do that. So they.

• 1:22:57Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, you're a victim. You're a self, you just want to be a victim.

• 1:23:03Caleb Hammer?

  Forty five dollar minimum to payment on the six hundred forty two dollar eighty two cent balance on premier card. You got a late fee on there, buddy.

• 1:23:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:23:11Caleb Hammer?

  Why? Famine?

• 1:23:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:15Caleb Hammer?

  Fuck, you work more.

• 1:23:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:18Caleb Hammer?

  Get a better job. Get you guys course for your career certifications. I'll get you one in construction. You can be a construction project manager. People have used that. Turned them into six figure jobs. I'll get you guys that. I'll get you set up for a credit, uh, for, sorry, not credit, credit one's [__]. I would never do that.

• 1:23:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:23:36Caleb Hammer?

  For a time checking account, first so you can get hundreds of dollars for signing up.

• 1:23:40Speaker 03

  Telling him to get one forever.

• 1:23:42Caleb Hammer?

  I'll do it. You'll get hundreds of dollars for signing up with my link, baby. Okay, you, you got United Healthcare. You, you may owe a thousand one hundred thirteen.

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  I do. I owe a little bit more than that. I owe more.

• 1:23:54Caleb Hammer?

  How much?

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  I like.

• 1:23:56Caleb Hammer?

  Are you gonna get on a payment plan?

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have.

• 1:23:58Caleb Hammer?

  How much you owe?

• 1:24:00Speaker 03

  It's like twelve sixty nine forty three, I think is what it was last time.

• 1:24:04Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, what's your payment plan?

• 1:24:06Speaker 03

  I don't have a specific payment plan because this is all of my specialists together, so I've got a call.

• 1:24:11Caleb Hammer?

  And get on it. Aloya Health. This is another bill thing.

• 1:24:15Speaker 03

  That one I'm paying thirty five dollars.

• 1:24:18Caleb Hammer?

  A month?

• 1:24:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:19Caleb Hammer?

  What's your balance?

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  I think I only made one monthly payment. It was like three hundred.

• 1:24:23Caleb Hammer?

  It's two hundred sixty eight.

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. It started at three hundred.

• 1:24:28Speaker 03

  That's my doctors.

• 1:24:29Caleb Hammer?

  Hey.

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  I'm just.

• 1:24:31Caleb Hammer?

  Natural gas. Well, that's just your monthly payment. I'm okay. Uh, okay. Capital One Auto, you. What's your car, woman?

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  It is a twenty. Twenty? Is that twenty nine? A Kia minivan.

• 1:24:44Speaker 04

  Sedona.

• 1:24:46Caleb Hammer?

  The finances are a problem here. I don't think it's your major thing. There's a extreme level of trust and conspiracies of chaos in this household. You owe twenty three thousand three hundred sixty one dollars.

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  I don't now. I have it down to nine thousand nine hundred and eighty.

• 1:25:00Caleb Hammer?

  How?

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  I don't know, but I promise you I do.

• 1:25:03Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, that's fine. I believe you.

• 1:25:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:05Caleb Hammer?

  Five hundred seventeen dollars is your minimum monthly. What's your interest rate on that?

• 1:25:09Speaker 03

  Like sixteen?

• 1:25:10Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, why?

• 1:25:13Speaker 03

  Because I had, I used to work.

• 1:25:15Caleb Hammer?

  Girl, you owe eighty dollars on this. Just pay it off. I'm not even gonna write it down.

• 1:25:20Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:25:21Caleb Hammer?

  Eighty dollars on that thing. First Premier, it's a closed card. Why do you owe on this?

• 1:25:27Speaker 03

  What do I owe or why?

• 1:25:28Caleb Hammer?

  Why? Why is it over the limit on a closed card? What the? Your vehicle's worth three thousand two hundred dollars?

• 1:25:36Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:25:36Caleb Hammer?

  Is that hers? That's insane.

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  What's?

• 1:25:39Caleb Hammer?

  Your car.

• 1:25:41Speaker 04

  On your car is less than what you owe on it.

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, it's terrible. That's why I'm stuck in it. That's why I'm stuck in it. I have to just pay it off. It'll be paid off next year.

• 1:25:50Caleb Hammer?

  On this closed account, you owe five hundred sixty four. I bet it's in collections.

• 1:25:53Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:25:54Caleb Hammer?

  Verizon.

• 1:25:55Speaker 03

  No, not yet.

• 1:25:56Caleb Hammer?

  Collections, nine seventy four.

• 1:25:57Speaker 03

  I don't know one of them.

• 1:25:59Caleb Hammer?

  Collections, eight thirty nine. No, this one's open. This is not collections. Oh, Jefferson Capital, so that's a collections. The collections is open. Uh, eight ninety five.

• 1:26:10Speaker 03

  Won't this fall off soon though? I figured out what this is for finally, like this week.

• 1:26:14Caleb Hammer?

  It might fall off after seven years. Here's the thing. We have seen many a times on this show and in reality that they can sue you, go to court and get a garnishment on your wages.

• 1:26:23Speaker 03

  For something that's like eight years old?

• 1:26:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  This is from like an eight year debt.

• 1:26:27Caleb Hammer?

  Just because it falls off your credit doesn't mean you don't owe it. They can come get you.

• 1:26:31Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:26:32Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so lots of collections I got. Okay, but here's your spending.

• 1:26:35Speaker 03

  There's like six.

• 1:26:36Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, that's a lot for a normal person. That's a lot. Uh, the normal person has zero. Clearly.

• 1:26:41Speaker 03

  I wanna be normal though. I want to be normal.

• 1:26:43Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, here's your time checking account. You're spending. This is what matters to me. How the are you up all this thing? Well, I'll tell you. It's Chick-fil-A. It's going in against the bullshit. It's Amazon. It's Amazon. It's Amazon. TikTok shop, TikTok shop, TikTok shop, TikTok shop, TikTok shop, TikTok shop, TikTok shop, TikTok shop, Amazon Bargain Outlet, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon. Burger King, Family Dollar, TikTok shop, TikTok shop, TikTok shop, TikTok shop. Show me. Pull it up.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:27:11Caleb Hammer?

  TikTok shop!

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  Absolutely not.

• 1:27:14Caleb Hammer?

  Fireworks? Not even.

• 1:27:17Speaker 03

  We had a great fireworks show.

• 1:27:19Caleb Hammer?

  Proud of you. Bullshit. Leonard Savins account, nothing. Okay.

• 1:27:23Speaker 04

  Who's we? Because I, I think that was when I was in here.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  You were here for the fireworks? You lit them off in the yard?

• 1:27:28Caleb Hammer?

  Give me that!

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  Do you see how he immediately is like, we? You were there. You were fucking there.

• 1:27:34Speaker 04

  I'm just wondering because the year before you went with your girlfriend.

• 1:27:38Speaker 03

  Why would he be looking at last year's statement? Oh my God, see, he immediately guesses.

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  Thousand dollars the year before.

• 1:27:43Caleb Hammer?

  Squishy trade mat, a video dongle thing, clothes, uh, bionic IZ thing. What?

• 1:27:51Speaker 04

  Four oh one K loan.

• 1:27:52Caleb Hammer?

  I don't even know what that is.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  No, that's in my cart. You're not in my purchases. Go to my purchases.

• 1:27:55Caleb Hammer?

  I opened what you gave me.

• 1:27:58Speaker 03

  Well, I thought you were smart. You're the one who knows everything.

• 1:28:01Caleb Hammer?

  I just opened what you gave me, dude.

• 1:28:03Speaker 03

  Go to my purchases.

• 1:28:04Caleb Hammer?

  Literally, I didn't touch the phone. Hairspray, dongles, insane stuff.

• 1:28:10Speaker 03

  Not all of it.

• 1:28:11Caleb Hammer?

  I don't even know what this shit is. Some weird purple thing, purple thing, purple thing. What is this? What are these things?

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  I'm addicted to the TikTok squishy auctions.

• 1:28:20Caleb Hammer?

  Auctions?

• 1:28:20Speaker 03

  That's what all those are.

• 1:28:22Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, it's endless. It's squishy auctions.

• 1:28:25Speaker 03

  It's bad. I have over a hundred squishies at the house that I've ordered.

• 1:28:29Caleb Hammer?

  It's endless.

• 1:28:30Speaker 03

  Wait, no. Wait. You can't yell at me.

• 1:28:34Caleb Hammer?

  A bag? You have enough for a bag?

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  It's a very pretty bag.

• 1:28:41Caleb Hammer?

  Girl, you're poor. Why are you buying the person who's not poor?

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  I thought of you during one of the auctions.

• 1:28:48Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:28:50Speaker 03

  So now when people.

• 1:28:52Caleb Hammer?

  Something in there?

• 1:28:53Speaker 03

  No, that's it.

• 1:28:53Caleb Hammer?

  This is that heavy. That's.

• 1:28:55Speaker 04

  You have a heavy box?

• 1:28:55Speaker 03

  So now you can squeeze it.

• 1:28:57Caleb Hammer?

  Gambling on?

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  No, they're for my kids. No, everything I bought is for Christmas for the kids.

• 1:29:03Caleb Hammer?

  But is it a candle?

• 1:29:05Speaker 03

  No, it's a squishy. But the box got damaged in shipping. So now when we stress you out, you can just sit there and squish. And I got it at a really good deal because I got it on the TikTok shop auction. No, you should go on the auctions. I promise you. See, look. I love them.

• 1:29:27Caleb Hammer?

  There's thirty one viewers.

• 1:29:29Speaker 03

  Well, maybe that seller sucks. You want less viewers because then you get stuck.

• 1:29:34Caleb Hammer?

  What's your rent? What's your rent?

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  Thirty one hundred dollars a month.

• 1:29:39Caleb Hammer?

  What? Don't live there.

• 1:29:44Speaker 03

  That, you, our area, no matter where we live, it's gonna be super expensive.

• 1:29:49Caleb Hammer?

  What's your gas, electric, water, internet?

• 1:29:51Speaker 03

  Um, my internet is a hundred dollars.

• 1:29:55Caleb Hammer?

  Gas, electric?

• 1:29:56Speaker 03

  My electric is six hundred.

• 1:29:59Caleb Hammer?

  Pull!

• 1:30:00Speaker 03

  My gas is two fifty to three hundred, just for the house.

• 1:30:04Caleb Hammer?

  Two seventy five.

• 1:30:05Speaker 03

  My water is a hundred.

• 1:30:09Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, utilities, a thousand seventy five. It's one of the bigger ones. We had phone bill.

• 1:30:15Speaker 03

  I have another car payment too. I pay my car payment for my twenty year old. So I pay two sixty a month.

• 1:30:20Caleb Hammer?

  Phone bill. Phone bill.

• 1:30:24Speaker 04

  Crazy.

• 1:30:26Caleb Hammer?

  Phone bill.

• 1:30:27Speaker 03

  Hundred and eighty five dollars a month.

• 1:30:28Caleb Hammer?

  What was that car payment for your kid?

• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  Five, oh, two sixty for her cars.

• 1:30:35Caleb Hammer?

  Eight twelve for your minimum monthly payments.

• 1:30:37Speaker 03

  And my car is five seventeen.

• 1:30:39Caleb Hammer?

  I already got that. That was included. How many kids live with you?

• 1:30:43Speaker 04

  Eight.

• 1:30:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:30:46Caleb Hammer?

  I can't even off the top of my head know what the TP fund or groceries is.

• 1:30:50Speaker 03

  I can tell you what I pay for groceries. I pay between two thousand and twenty five hundred.

• 1:30:54Caleb Hammer?

  Out though.

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  I don't. No, if you go back and look at my statement, I paid out three times for the month.

• 1:31:00Caleb Hammer?

  Two thousand.

• 1:31:01Speaker 03

  I cook every night.

• 1:31:02Caleb Hammer?

  Call it two thousand. TP fund, everything else, they need to survive. We'll try to do six hundred.

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  In addition to the groceries?

• 1:31:10Caleb Hammer?

  School kid.

• 1:31:10Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I include all that in my grocery money. Like two thousand is.

• 1:31:13Caleb Hammer?

  That's not groceries.

• 1:31:14Speaker 03

  Everything. Groceries, toilet paper.

• 1:31:17Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, well, I'll give an extra two fifty. Like school things and blah, blah, blah, blah. Medical healthcare, are there copays on a monthly basis?

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  Yes, but they fluctuate. So I don't know.

• 1:31:27Caleb Hammer?

  Average it out, please.

• 1:31:29Speaker 03

  A hundred and fifty.

• 1:31:31Caleb Hammer?

  Are there any pets?

• 1:31:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:31:33Caleb Hammer?

  That is so stupid. You have eight kids in this house.

• 1:31:35Speaker 03

  I have pets their entire life.

• 1:31:37Caleb Hammer?

  What pets?

• 1:31:37Speaker 03

  I have a Frenchie. I have a Weenie. And then I have a Husky mix.

• 1:31:44Caleb Hammer?

  Hundred fifty dollar pet insurance. How much?

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  I already have pet insurance.

• 1:31:47Caleb Hammer?

  How much?

• 1:31:47Speaker 03

  It comes, it comes out of my paycheck because it's part of my health insurance.

• 1:31:50Caleb Hammer?

  How much for pet food and pet supplies monthly basis?

• 1:31:53Speaker 03

  I put that in my grocery bill.

• 1:31:54Caleb Hammer?

  That doesn't also make sense. Okay, then stop.

• 1:31:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's two cats, but and ten chickens.

• 1:31:59Speaker 04

  There's a rabbit.

• 1:32:02Caleb Hammer?

  Yes. How's for gas, room, room, drive, drive?

• 1:32:07Speaker 03

  Three hundred. Only because I have to take kids to school.

• 1:32:10Caleb Hammer?

  Car insurance.

• 1:32:12Speaker 03

  Four eighty five and that pays for all of my children. I pay for my two adult children's car insurance.

• 1:32:17Caleb Hammer?

  Anything else need to be in this budget? Your budget?

• 1:32:22Speaker 03

  Money.

• 1:32:24Speaker 04

  Therapist.

• 1:32:26Caleb Hammer?

  Isn't that in the copays?

• 1:32:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's.

• 1:32:29Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, that's covered. That's covered by the insurance. Yeah.

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  I pay the insurance.

• 1:32:33Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, uh, you're underwater by a two hundred fifty dollars. These are some of the most exciting expenses I've ever heard. That rent is ridiculous. Um, no wonder you're taking out these four oh one Ks just to pay the rent. You guys either have to be together. You're gonna have to give up these cars and get a beater or something. This is like.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  It wouldn't even be worth it because then I'm losing, I'm twelve month, thirteen months away from paying off my car. Why would I get?

• 1:32:57Caleb Hammer?

  Without the car payments, you don't break even. So shit, this isn't a debt situation. You literally just, your expenses are too high. It's because you have too many kids. Um, cause how are you gonna have a big enough place for all these kids without spending that much in rent? Shit.

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  And I don't even have like a massive, massive. I have a nice house, yes, but.

• 1:33:19Caleb Hammer?

  Shut up, I'm thinking. I would try to minimize our lifestyle as much as possible. You're meal prepping everything. We're trying to, we're scrapping, scrapping, scrapping, and we're eating cheap, cheap, cheap.

• 1:33:28Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, I do that. I cook every day.

• 1:33:30Caleb Hammer?

  Shut up, shut up. We're gonna have to, we have to cut down on everything and then you just have to make more money somehow. You're gonna, if you, if you choose single mom life and you have nine kids because you can't close your pussy, then you.

• 1:33:43Speaker 03

  There's ten. You forgot one.

• 1:33:45Caleb Hammer?

  You said nine at home. There's ten?

• 1:33:46Speaker 03

  Well, there's eight living at home, but I have ten.

• 1:33:49Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, shut the up.

• 1:33:50Speaker 03

  But I pay car insurance and payments.

• 1:33:52Caleb Hammer?

  Woman, shut up, woman.

• 1:33:53Speaker 03

  For all of them.

• 1:33:53Caleb Hammer?

  Shut up, woman.

• 1:33:54Speaker 03

  That's a really.

• 1:33:55Caleb Hammer?

  Shut up, woman.

• 1:33:55Speaker 03

  How are you gonna get the full story?

• 1:33:56Caleb Hammer?

  Shut up, woman!

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  You need all the info.

• 1:34:02Caleb Hammer?

  I can't think when you yap.

• 1:34:04Speaker 03

  I'm sorry.

• 1:34:05Caleb Hammer?

  And you will not stop yapping.

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  Valid point.

• 1:34:14Caleb Hammer?

  He's meal prepping all this shit. That's what we have to do. And then if you choose single mom life, or get back with him, or get with someone else, if you choose single mom life, you have to work eighty hours a week to pay for this.

• 1:34:26Speaker 03

  I already do.

• 1:34:27Speaker 04

  She already does that.

• 1:34:29Caleb Hammer?

  This is what you make me. I was working seventy?

• 1:34:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, sadly.

• 1:34:32Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, then every kid needs to start working that's over sixteen.

• 1:34:37Speaker 04

  Or paying for their own shit.

• 1:34:39Caleb Hammer?

  No, they might need to start working. I had to work at sixteen to help.

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, mine.

• 1:34:43Speaker 04

  I mean, you're in college. I think you can pay for your own car.

• 1:34:46Caleb Hammer?

  I, they probably should. You need to let that kid go off. To be able to take care of those under the roof, you need to let that one off. But still, that doesn't even make us to break even. She's still thousands off.

• 1:34:56Speaker 03

  I used to bartend and I've been looking at going back to bartending, but I'm scared if I do that. Do you know how many problems that's going to arise?

• 1:35:04Caleb Hammer?

  I'm sorry, this financial, this is, this is, unless there is something on my head, this is beyond me, I'm gonna pay for both of you individually to sit down with the financial advisor we use when things are too complicated. So we're gonna do that. That's what we're gonna do. I'm sorry. Um, we're gonna go into the post show. Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to call the roommate. We're gonna get that alternative perspective and I know this shit's gonna go off the rails. It always does when we call another person. So join us for the post show. It's good. Hammer Financial Score. I mean, you don't own a house. There's nothing. The retirement, you're borrowing to get it. Uh, point five out of ten, clearly. Get yours at CalebHammer.com. Now join Hammer Elite, three premium shows, incredible shows every day, six days a week. That's why there's over a hundred forty thousand monthly members

• 1:35:47Caleb Hammer?

  to our network, Hammer Elite. You can join that by clicking the join button here on YouTube or that link below, or you can go off platform at HammerElite.com or Hammer Elite app. It's up to you. Both members, same membership on both platforms. Just want to give you more options. We'll see you inside. Nate over here says that you're trying, you, you've been trying to call Callie and Callie's trying to you and.

• 1:36:06Speaker 03

  I mean, that's literally completely crazy.

• 1:36:08Caleb Hammer?

  What's, what's your suspicion here, dude?

• 1:36:09Speaker 04

  No, I don't, I didn't have any suspicion.

• 1:36:11Caleb Hammer?

  What? Oh, now you're gaslighting her.

• 1:36:14Speaker 04

  Did I say that?

• 1:36:15Caleb Hammer?

  Yes! Yes, you did! My friend here said she had sex with her ex-husband while they were together. Is that factually true? I just launched the brand new Hammer Elite app available on every major platform. So you can watch every show anywhere you want. You'll get three exclusive dedicated shows every single day, Monday through Saturday. Refer a friend after you sign up and you get an additional thirty days of Hammer Elite access for free. Download the Hammer Elite app by using the link in the description or pin comment down below. This is the best membership you'll ever join and that's a promise. I want you to be on the next episode of Financial Audit right here in Austin, Texas. If you think you have interesting finances

• 1:36:56Caleb Hammer?

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