He's Back... | Financial Audit

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:56Caleb Hammer?

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• 0:59Speaker 03

  Do you think you'd be famous if you didn't have somebody paid to beat up us?

• 1:03Caleb Hammer?

  You got arrested for threatening to kill the governor of Texas.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  That is not what I said.

• 1:08Caleb Hammer?

  Wait, what? Okay, say it.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Don't act stupid. I said I would eat his heart.

• 1:13Caleb Hammer?

  Again, the way you approach everything is so disingenuous.

• 1:15Speaker 03

  You are a little pussy. You are such a pussy.

• 1:18Caleb Hammer?

  Jerking yourself constantly off about everything you've done, even though you have nothing to show.

• 1:22Speaker 03

  I want you to take accountability.

• 1:23Caleb Hammer?

  Here we go again.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  You're actually libeling me again. You have a trouble with reality.

• 1:27Caleb Hammer?

  Sue me.

• 1:28Speaker 03

  I might.

• 1:29Caleb Hammer?

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• 1:52Speaker 03

  How are you Caleb?

• 1:54Caleb Hammer?

  Hello sir.

• 1:56Speaker 03

  You doing good?

• 1:57Caleb Hammer?

  Good, how are you? You look at you!

• 1:59Speaker 03

  Thank you man, thank you.

• 2:01Caleb Hammer?

  What a handsome guy.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  Oh, I appreciate it. I really appreciate it.

• 2:05Caleb Hammer?

  This is, this is so interesting cuz you...

• 2:09Caleb Hammer?

  Wow, like you looked, just like, first episode was just dude. And that was like Brent the dude.

• 2:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16Caleb Hammer?

  And then came Brent the cancer patient.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  Oh yeah.

• 2:19Caleb Hammer?

  And then now we have Brent the politician!

• 2:21Speaker 03

  Oh yes, I'm running for president of myself.

• 2:25Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 2:25Speaker 03

  And I'm gonna win. I, I, it just, I have a feeling.

• 2:28Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you just gotta convince one person.

• 2:30Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly. A lot has changed, a lot has, a lot has changed.

• 2:36Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  Totally unprecedented things, like you going on a plane.

• 2:43Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, that, about me?

• 2:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:45Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, things have changed about me.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  And, and we have an entirely new president since the last time I talk, saw you, and...

• 2:51Caleb Hammer?

  That's true. Did you get arrested for threatening to kill that one?

• 2:54Speaker 03

  No, but it is, it is pretty interesting. He's the first, he's brave, he's very brave. He's the first politician, the first president.

• 3:02Caleb Hammer?

  So you're trying to win right now?

• 3:03Speaker 03

  Get his, get his ear pierced on the campaign show. His right ear.

• 3:10Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  I don't know what that means.

• 3:12Caleb Hammer?

  What, the ear pierced?

• 3:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't remember which, uh, right or left.

• 3:16Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, if he's gay?

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Yes!

• 3:18Caleb Hammer?

  You're questioning if...

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Oh my god, okay, that one bombed.

• 3:20Caleb Hammer?

  If Donald... Is gay, okay, he might be, I don't know. Maybe he's a bi king.

• 3:29Caleb Hammer?

  I, I don't really know. Okay, well, I wanted to celebrate cuz this is pretty exciting. Um, we traditionally don't really get many people to do a third video on the main channel. And historically, um, usually, at least, the last guy did a third video with on the main channel, crashed the fuck out afterwards. Let's see if you do. Usually you crash out in the episode, not outside of the episode. I'm hoping we keep it internal.

• 3:58Speaker 03

  Well, I can cry if you need me to.

• 4:00Caleb Hammer?

  I don't need you to do anything. I do wanna talk to you, I wanna see what you do, but I, I would like to share a slice of cake with you, just as a celebration. Are you down to share a slice of cake with me?

• 4:09Speaker 03

  Totally man, absolutely, absolutely.

• 4:14Caleb Hammer?

  And I know this is specifically what you like to eat.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 4:18Caleb Hammer?

  And wanted to eat. The heart of Greg Abbott.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  Oh my god. Oh my.

• 4:24Caleb Hammer?

  And you won't go to jail for this one.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  I can do this one. This is a safe space.

• 4:28Caleb Hammer?

  This one's a safe space to a certain point.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  Thank you. That's, that's beautiful.

• 4:32Caleb Hammer?

  Absolutely. So. I do not have utensils, but if you ever desire to have a bite, you can just grab in and take it from yourself.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Right on, just like, uh, yeah, a face dive even.

• 4:46Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I mean, usually this is like the, you know, we're not, I'm not doing my usual onboarding with you. Lindsay took care of all that and all this stuff. And this is usually the part where I say, okay, you know, here's your fake name, but I don't think we use your fake name. Well, I am confused. We get confusions between Brent and Brent, but how old are you these days?

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Oh, well, should I do the intro? The, uh, yes, I love the intro segment, man.

• 5:10Caleb Hammer?

  You too.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  I love it. Okay. I'm Brent Davy. I'm 43. I live in Austin and this is Fin asshole audit.

• 5:18Caleb Hammer?

  Almost. Yeah, almost hit it.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm Brent.

• 5:22Caleb Hammer?

  I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take it as we got it. Um.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  Fin asshole audit? Fin asshole.

• 5:29Caleb Hammer?

  Financial.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  What?

• 5:31Caleb Hammer?

  You look like you're from the bank.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Fin asshole audit.

• 5:34Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah. Um, you're so chipper today.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 5:37Caleb Hammer?

  So, no, that's good. That's good. Like, why? Why is everything so good?

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Uh, oh, well, I mean, I'm on this fin asshole audit show and I like, I get you to dive into my shit and clean it all out.

• 5:50Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you weren't happy about it the second time.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  It's the most fun in the world, man.

• 5:54Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  It's so good.

• 5:55Caleb Hammer?

  Why is this so different than the second time? Cause the second time you were really, even though you chose to come, not very happy about being there.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  You act like a know it all, and this is the whole gambit of your show.

• 6:08Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  You don't even have a business degree.

• 6:10Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, okay.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  You're just chewing people out for buying taquitos.

• 6:13Caleb Hammer?

  Are we talking about business on this show?

• 6:15Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, pretty much.

• 6:16Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, okay.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Everything that I've ever done is business.

• 6:19Caleb Hammer?

  So, okay, business degree to learn how to not spend money you don't have.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. Uh huh. Interesting.

• 6:25Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah.

• 6:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:26Caleb Hammer?

  So, we were.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Oh, I was in a bad mood. I mean.

• 6:30Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, yeah, totally. But you're in a good mood.

• 6:33Speaker 03

  I'm in a good mood.

• 6:33Caleb Hammer?

  So what's different? What's?

• 6:37Caleb Hammer?

  What's different?

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Um, well, I'm in a, well, I'm a, uh, I, I don't know. I'm just in a good mood.

• 6:48Caleb Hammer?

  Well, what makes you so happy versus last time being so unhappy? Because last time, you know, a, a big part of the talk of the show and whatnot was how, um, evil the show was that you chose to be on the first and second time.

• 7:01Speaker 03

  I mean, I, yeah.

• 7:02Caleb Hammer?

  Well, it's a very big community.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  It's a big community. I know they're not all like that, but, um, I mean, I, a few days before, shortly before we filmed, uh, my car got, uh, attacked in a hit and run. And, uh, they just drove off and I was in Dallas. It was in Cedar Springs and, um, they kind of know me a little bit. And so they were, I'm coming out of Hamburger Mary's, walking to my car and I see the aftermath and the Jeep driving away and these guys, uh, with their cell phones out, recording the Jeep as it goes away.

• 7:37Caleb Hammer?

  What the [bleep] was that about, huh? What's up? You fat pig? Why did I get picked?

• 7:43Speaker 03

  And it was a Jeep with a brush guard that intentionally rear-ended my, uh, beautiful convertible, the gayest car I could find.

• 7:52Caleb Hammer?

  Well, and speaking of that, Lindsay's telling me you told her that you think it was targeted.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. They were laughing. They were laughing as they drove away. And so we called DPD and, uh, on scene, and DPD no longer responds to property crime.

• 8:11Caleb Hammer?

  No, neither does Austin, really.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:13Caleb Hammer?

  No, it's-

• 8:14Speaker 03

  But it's a, it's a policy in DPD now. So we had to, um, at first my insurance was saying that I should just file uninsured motorists, but it was like [bleep] can damages. And I was like, well, you don't have to pay that. We have witnesses. We have the case here. We just need to find out who it is. And they hired a private investigator and we got it sued and won in court.

• 8:36Caleb Hammer?

  You won. How much did you get?

• 8:37Speaker 03

  Yes, we got $10,000. Yeah.

• 8:40Caleb Hammer?

  How much did you pocket at the end?

• 8:41Speaker 03

  I pocketed, uh, $3,000 extra, but I mean, the damages on the car were seven and car repairs are like-

• 8:48Caleb Hammer?

  That's good. I'm glad you won that because that's obviously- But again, I think as we dive into these finances, it's just important to kind of know where you are in the mentality of all this because- Last time again, you were, you said the show was evil. You said the show was evil. We're here to make you look bad, even though you can say whatever you want to say. And you said whatever you wanted to say. You get to do that today again. Is the show still evil?

• 9:13Speaker 03

  I think, I think your persona that you portray is maybe a little bit unlikable.

• 9:19Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, unlikable is up to the individual.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  I've, I know, it's totally subjective.

• 9:23Caleb Hammer?

  And it's also just, I'm just me. I just, that's, that's the fun part of being on a show is.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  I talked to some other media people that were like, oh, he's really unlikable. And I was like, oh, I don't, I don't think that's all him, you know? I think he's putting it on a little bit.

• 9:36Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I guess in what way? I mean, who said, who said I was unlikable?

• 9:41Speaker 03

  Oh, um, city council people, congresspeople, media people.

• 9:45Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, well, the governor of Michigan's coming on my show, so I think they, I think they, I think they like it.

• 9:50Speaker 03

  Nice. Who's the governor right now?

• 9:51Caleb Hammer?

  Huh?

• 9:52Speaker 03

  Michigan.

• 9:52Caleb Hammer?

  Whitmer. I think once, I think once the politicians saw, once we added it to it being a technical podcast, they saw it being the top 10 on the internet.

• 10:01Speaker 03

  That's awesome, man.

• 10:02Caleb Hammer?

  So they're like, okay, let's do it. Well, thank you. Last time you hated that fact, but um, it's different this time, which I can appreciate. So some city council from what city?

• 10:12Speaker 03

  Oh, Austin.

• 10:13Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, really? Cause I got DMs from some saying they love the show.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I, I got DMs from others. Maybe they're just telling us what we want to hear.

• 10:21Caleb Hammer?

  Or maybe they just wanted to get out of that conversation.

• 10:24Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 10:25Caleb Hammer?

  After they got a lot of emails from you.

• 10:27Speaker 03

  Uh huh, okay. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

• 10:29Caleb Hammer?

  Maybe, right?

• 10:30Speaker 03

  Who knows? I mean, I do, I have struggled with OCD in my entire life.

• 10:33Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, we've still received some emails from you, which is concerning. Um, cause in this, in this world, we're, we're in a different period of time right now.

• 10:41Speaker 03

  Wait, what, what emails are you talking about? I've been communicating with Lindsay for, um.

• 10:46Caleb Hammer?

  Well, yeah, that's us. That's we. That's us.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  And yeah, what are you talking about?

• 10:50Caleb Hammer?

  The company, our emails.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:52Caleb Hammer?

  So, and we still have received your emails.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  And what are you concerned about?

• 10:56Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I said, like I said, we're in a different day where you got arrested for threatening to kill the governor of Texas.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  That is not what I did. Don't do that again because it's dumb. That is not what I said.

• 11:06Caleb Hammer?

  Well, what did you say? You can clarify it.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  You already know. Don't act stupid.

• 11:11Caleb Hammer?

  Wait, what? Okay, say it.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  Don't act stupid. I said I would eat his heart.

• 11:15Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, you know that's threatening to kill.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  Caleb, there were two angles on that tweet screen. And yes, it was sloppy. And no, I'm not proud of it. And yes, I was absolutely in a bad mental state. But here's why they dropped the case against me days before trial. One, it was a metaphor, clearly. I said, "I hate you. I will eat your heart." And then I said, "I just checked and I still hate you. Winkies." It is a little bit winky.

• 11:44Caleb Hammer?

  But you understand.

• 11:46Speaker 03

  The Texas GOP was threatening to secede at the time, so...

• 11:49Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, that wasn't real.

• 11:51Speaker 03

  It was real.

• 11:52Caleb Hammer?

  It got polling supportive like less than a half of...

• 11:54Speaker 03

  Can we get some fact checkers on this, though?

• 11:55Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, it got... Hold on.

• 11:56Speaker 03

  Really journalists.

• 11:57Caleb Hammer?

  Why are you getting competitive? It was like one person... It was less than...

• 12:00Speaker 03

  You want to debate, you want me to debate you, I will.

• 12:02Caleb Hammer?

  No, I don't want to do anything. I'm just talking.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  Okay, okay. Are you just talking or are you [bleep] on me?

• 12:07Caleb Hammer?

  I'm not [bleep] on you, Brent. I'm talking about how this is a different age and time. We just had someone who is speaking words get shot and killed, so I'm not...

• 12:16Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 12:16Caleb Hammer?

  So I'm not... So we take your emails seriously when you...

• 12:20Speaker 03

  What have I said to you?

• 12:21Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, emails within the last year. Here we go. "Are you afraid? Without your format, you have nothing. Come over to where I live, how I live, and let me greet you like a guest. Are you scared?" So if you threaten the...

• 12:35Speaker 03

  How scared are you of that?

• 12:37Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy, I'm just... I'm talking about the time we live in.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  You are a little pussy. You are such a pussy. But I... I...

• 12:44Caleb Hammer?

  Why are you doing this again?

• 12:45Speaker 03

  You brought me something beautiful, by the way. Actually, this is a real gift, okay?

• 12:50Caleb Hammer?

  This?

• 12:50Speaker 03

  Like, no, I brought you something. I brought you something.

• 12:53Caleb Hammer?

  Did Matt check this?

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Okay. And Matt checked it. You're all right. You're safe, dude.

• 12:58Caleb Hammer?

  Well, yes, it's concerning. We live in a bad time. I literally have security now.

• 13:02Speaker 03

  This is a safe space.

• 13:02Caleb Hammer?

  Because of people like you who send these emails.

• 13:05Speaker 03

  You're safe with me, bud.

• 13:06Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Don't freak out. I know the planes. I know the fear. I know...

• 13:11Caleb Hammer?

  Well, it's agoraphobia, and this is...

• 13:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I get it too. I have it. Okay.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  All right, this is actually a real... I spent... This is meaningful, okay? It's coming from the bottom of my heart. And I spent way too much money on it, and you're gonna...

• 13:27Caleb Hammer?

  And I will not eat that heart.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  You will not eat it.

• 13:31Caleb Hammer?

  That's hot. You want to see me in it?

• 13:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I totally do.

• 13:37Caleb Hammer?

  Okay. To confirm, this has been checked. I wanna ask one more time. Okay. Good. Because, again, I'm trying to...

• 13:50Caleb Hammer?

  What's handsome?

• 13:51Speaker 03

  It's the...

• 13:52Caleb Hammer?

  Thank you. You didn't spend that much money. And also, why is there a brown spot? Did we confirm what the brown spot is?

• 13:58Speaker 03

  It's, uh, my...

• 14:00Caleb Hammer?

  Does anyone wanna do a sniff test?

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Pussy hat. It's my pussy hat from the 2017 women's marches. I made it myself. And, um, I had to buy something to get the bag. So, I bought lip gloss instead of anything risque.

• 14:17Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, pussy hat, cuz I'm a pussy.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Right. It's, it's...

• 14:21Caleb Hammer?

  Right.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  I mean, if you wanna try it on...

• 14:24Caleb Hammer?

  Well, because of the brown...

• 14:25Speaker 03

  I'll try it on with you.

• 14:26Caleb Hammer?

  Because of the brown spot, I don't want to, uh... I don't want to. Cuz the brown spot. I just, I don't want, like, an accident.

• 14:34Speaker 03

  It's seen better days. It's been grabbed too many times.

• 14:41Caleb Hammer?

  Put the brown spot. I don't want a doo-doo hat on accident.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  It's not doo-doo. I just hope not. I wouldn't bring you doo-doo hats.

• 14:48Caleb Hammer?

  Okay. So, Brent, again, the reason I brought it up, big guy, is...

• 14:52Speaker 03

  You don't wanna put it on?

• 14:53Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, specifically, no. Uh, you can, if you'd like. I want you to do whatever you want to do. This is, as you said, a safe place up to a certain point.

• 15:03Caleb Hammer?

  My concern, big guy, is when we receive these emails and the security that we're doing and checking the bag, it's cuz we live...

• 15:11Speaker 03

  I invited you to my house and I said I'd treat you like a guest.

• 15:14Caleb Hammer?

  Are you scared?

• 15:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. Apparently, he is. I actually invited him over and said I'd treat him like a guest, said buy him wa... I'd get him water. He didn't do that to me in the first episode that we filmed.

• 15:27Caleb Hammer?

  What, get you water?

• 15:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:28Caleb Hammer?

  Hosted me in my condo, yeah.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  You didn't do anything.

• 15:31Caleb Hammer?

  It was very informal.

• 15:32Speaker 03

  You're actually a rude person.

• 15:33Caleb Hammer?

  It was a very...

• 15:34Speaker 03

  You're a natural... I want you to take accountability. You're a rude... You're a rude host.

• 15:39Caleb Hammer?

  Here we go again. Okay. Yes. Yes, have we treated you poorly today?

• 15:45Speaker 03

  No, cuz you have teams.

• 15:46Caleb Hammer?

  Exactly. It was me in my apartment, running everything.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Thank goodness you have nice people that work for you. Because, um...

• 15:55Caleb Hammer?

  Almost like they reflect the values that I...

• 15:59Speaker 03

  You're not.

• 16:00Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh. Okay. Thanks, Brent.

• 16:03Caleb Hammer?

  I'm just trying to-

• 16:03Speaker 03

  Take accountability, man. Just accept it.

• 16:06Caleb Hammer?

  But you won't take accountability for why you were arrested in today's environment.

• 16:08Speaker 03

  Accept it. I already have. I explained it. I don't think it's an excuse, but it's an explanation.

• 16:14Caleb Hammer?

  You're saying you didn't threaten to kill him even though you tried to kill him.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  I did not. I did not.

• 16:17Caleb Hammer?

  We live in today's environment where you-

• 16:20Speaker 03

  I did not. I did not threaten to kill the governor and I want to make that clear. I did not. I did not.

• 16:27Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you're swaying the one swing voter.

• 16:29Speaker 03

  I did not.

• 16:30Caleb Hammer?

  In the Brent election.

• 16:31Speaker 03

  I did not. I did not.

• 16:34Caleb Hammer?

  2025.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  I did not. Caleb.

• 16:37Caleb Hammer?

  Okay. And then we get the-

• 16:38Speaker 03

  I did not.

• 16:39Caleb Hammer?

  We get the threatening emails.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  That was, "I invited you over."

• 16:45Caleb Hammer?

  Okay. I'm just saying we live in a different environment where people are getting-

• 16:48Speaker 03

  "Invited you over."

• 16:51Speaker 03

  To where I was living, which you would actually be proud because I was living with a good friend for $600 a month while I'm working on the Airbnb.

• 16:58Caleb Hammer?

  Good. I'm excited to get into that.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  And eggs. We had eggs, dude. We had a gold mine. It was, it was beautiful.

• 17:08Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 17:09Speaker 03

  I was spending $1,700 a month and, um, yeah, I was like hitting it, man. Like, the show really does activate, like, some thriftiness in you, you know?

• 17:20Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah.

• 17:21Speaker 03

  Even being on it.

• 17:22Caleb Hammer?

  We get a lot of positive results from the show.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  I, I mean, I like-

• 17:25Caleb Hammer?

  You're taking it very personally, even though I'm just trying to talk about how I'm, I, we-

• 17:29Speaker 03

  Well, you're, you're, you're libeling me, saying that I threatened to kill the governor, which I did not do.

• 17:33Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you were in jail.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  Without conviction. I spent more time in jail. This is interesting. I spent more time in jail for saying that I would eat the governor's heart, which is an obvious metaphor because I'm not a cannibal, um, than actual January- Well, we don't know. No. Than actual January 6th rioters. Who ransacked the Capitol Building?

• 17:57Caleb Hammer?

  I don't know.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  I spent more time without a conviction than these, than people who actually ransacked the Capitol Building.

• 18:05Caleb Hammer?

  Are you doing the next one?

• 18:07Speaker 03

  Doing the next what?

• 18:08Caleb Hammer?

  Jan 6th.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  No, I opposed Jan 6.

• 18:11Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  It broke my heart, man. And Congress reconvened, do you remember? Congress reconvened, they got together, their Congress was completely destroyed.

• 18:20Caleb Hammer?

  It's about you, not about Jan 6. I'm just gonna let you know, so I'll move on from that.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  It's all related. Congress reconvened anyways, if you don't remember. Um, I don't know if you pay attention to what's going on in the world.

• 18:30Caleb Hammer?

  This was quite a few years ago at this point, but...

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Uh, five years ago?

• 18:34Caleb Hammer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I, it's, I mean, I don't, what's, what's your point?

• 18:39Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I just don't remember every little detail of every single day.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 18:43Caleb Hammer?

  But also, this is about you, reminder. I was just trying to s-

• 18:45Speaker 03

  You don't remember things? Okay, got you.

• 18:47Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I remember the event. I don't remember the exact date and time Congress reconvened. Oh, buddy, I'm just, I'm trying to stay on topic. I just wanted to bring that up. Cause that's what we talked about the first time and you weren't willing to acknowledge the fear that we face. And this is the only other time we had to get an offsite.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  I'm really sorry if you felt fear.

• 19:07Caleb Hammer?

  People are dying.

• 19:08Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm sorry if you felt fear.

• 19:09Caleb Hammer?

  People are getting killed because of people like you.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  I invited you over.

• 19:14Caleb Hammer?

  But it is people with the rhetoric like you.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  What is my rhetoric again?

• 19:18Caleb Hammer?

  Your rhetoric of vague threats, threatful emails.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  It was, it was a pun. It's a play on words, Caleb. I don't-

• 19:25Caleb Hammer?

  To me, to you, and then other people have gotten shot.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  Do you know about Kathy Griffin and that Donald Trump head that's bloody?

• 19:31Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, she was canceled for it.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I disagreed with that. I thought that was too far. Um, but in reality-

• 19:38Caleb Hammer?

  I don't like cancel culture either. I care about people not dying.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do too. I mean, that Charlie Kirk situation was, oh, I mean, that's bad. My, uh, editors know him. I never met him.

• 19:49Caleb Hammer?

  People use your episodes and they call me fascist. They call me evil fascist.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  I get both libtard and MAGA, so I don't know what's going on.

• 19:57Caleb Hammer?

  Well, me too, but-

• 19:58Speaker 03

  I don't get it.

• 19:59Caleb Hammer?

  They use your episode as me, you know?

• 20:01Speaker 03

  If people are, if people are using my episode as some kind of justification to like commit violence-

• 20:06Caleb Hammer?

  But then we get your emails of violence.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  I invited you over and I asked if you're scared. That was an olive branch, man.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  Take an olive branch. Good God.

• 20:19Caleb Hammer?

  If you want to meet me, I guess you can. I'm one of the most powerful people in the entire world. I've done what Donald Trump wouldn't. Let someone go through his bank account with scrutiny. What's this? What's that? Caleb is an actual idiot. You'll be boxing a 43-year-old man who has a heat stroke last year. And who can still hit and dodge faster than a YouTuber.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  And now I'm in better shape. If you want to do it.

• 20:46Caleb Hammer?

  Maybe.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  You want to do it?

• 20:47Caleb Hammer?

  No.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  You don't want to box?

• 20:48Caleb Hammer?

  I'm fat. Maybe I'm a, maybe I'm a threat to you in some way. In some way, you'll think, oh my, have I lost authority? Well, my man, you never had much. But these are just multiple in a night.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  How threatening is that? Are you scared? If you're scared, I'm sorry. I don't mean to scare you.

• 21:07Caleb Hammer?

  That's why we have security and you don't get to know our office location.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  You're not scared. You're not scared. Cause you have security. The security makes you.

• 21:16Caleb Hammer?

  Well, okay. Yeah. And an off, well, I just know since we're not at our studio, you're not coming back the next day.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  Uh huh. Oh yeah. I've never done that. Why, why would you think that I've done that?

• 21:26Caleb Hammer?

  Yes. Why would I think that?

• 21:28Speaker 03

  I'm talking to you. An email about the show.

• 21:32Caleb Hammer?

  We've received many emails from you, yes.

• 21:34Speaker 03

  It's a show that I work for and I'm on.

• 21:36Caleb Hammer?

  Since a year. I will tell you one more thing that's happened since last year before we get into the documents.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  What's up?

• 21:42Caleb Hammer?

  Through inside sources of, you're an addict?

• 21:47Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 21:48Caleb Hammer?

  That's not good.

• 21:49Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 21:50Caleb Hammer?

  Don't do that.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  I mean, um.

• 21:52Caleb Hammer?

  It smells fruity. I love when I get to non-consensually breathe in other people's addictions. Thank you.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  It's not a product placement, but I mean, I might as well relax.

• 22:00Caleb Hammer?

  Certainly is to my nose right now.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  You know, is it offensive?

• 22:05Caleb Hammer?

  It's a little annoying. I like to decide what I'm breathing in.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  Okay. All right. Well, I'll, um, curtail that for you, bud.

• 22:11Caleb Hammer?

  Please do.

• 22:12Speaker 03

  You're welcome.

• 22:13Caleb Hammer?

  It would be more nice to ask for permission if I'm being honest.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  Did you ask for permission before you libeled me and said that I am unwilling to work? You didn't. I don't think so. You didn't, you didn't ask.

• 22:24Caleb Hammer?

  We do ask permission to.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Libel me. This was, this was early days. You know, I don't think you asked permission to libel me.

• 22:31Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I guess you just disagree on it.

• 22:32Speaker 03

  Maybe, maybe Governor Whitmer should. Redecide, did she just sign the same agreement I did? Because that agreement I said before I come on today says that you can defame me and I can't defame you. I don't know where you think that agreement is binding, but in the court of the free press, it's not gonna work.

• 22:51Caleb Hammer?

  No free press.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  I don't have any intent to sue you or anything.

• 22:55Caleb Hammer?

  That's what I wanted to talk about, actually.

• 22:57Speaker 03

  I don't have any.

• 22:58Caleb Hammer?

  That's what I wanted to talk about that's happened over this last year. One, is this a standard legal document that?

• 23:03Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 23:05Caleb Hammer?

  That most?

• 23:06Speaker 03

  You'd have to be crazy. The only reason that I signed it is because?

• 23:09Caleb Hammer?

  Film studios use.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  Is because you're paying me.

• 23:12Caleb Hammer?

  It's a very general contract.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  I would not sign that going on any other show.

• 23:15Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you wouldn't be invited. And those are the contracts that would be there.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  It allows you to actually libel and defame me. And technically speaking?

• 23:25Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I'm not gonna get to my point.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  You can take legal action against me.

• 23:28Caleb Hammer?

  Yes.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  If I do anything adverse to the show.

• 23:31Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, and I would.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  Which is this going, is this what's adverse to the show right now?

• 23:34Caleb Hammer?

  No.

• 23:35Speaker 03

  No? Okay. So where's the standard in your mind on that?

• 23:39Caleb Hammer?

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• 24:22Caleb Hammer?

  4.6 stars in Google says Wyrefi actually picks up and treats you like a real human. Shocker, right? And fine, it's about as rare as me not slamming the desk every single episode. So if you're done fantasizing about robbing a bank, don't do that, by the way, check out Y Refi. They're here to help you actually crush these loans without selling your kidneys on the black market. Head to Y R E F Y dot com slash hammer. That is Y Refi dot com slash hammer, or call triple eight nine seven three three nine seven eight. That is triple eight nine seven three three nine seven eight, and see how a real personal approach can help you escape the private loan nightmare. Because let's be honest, living with crippling debt until you're 90 is not the retirement plan you dreamed of. Wanna know a dirty little secret? And no, I'm not starting an only [bleep]. You're not broke because you suck with money. You just can't see where it's going. If

• 25:07Caleb Hammer?

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• 25:39Speaker 03

  How good do you think that'll be in court?

• 25:41Caleb Hammer?

  Good?

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:42Caleb Hammer?

  According to my legal team, who I've paid about a half a million dollars.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 25:46Caleb Hammer?

  Quite good.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Cut. Maybe we should do that.

• 25:49Caleb Hammer?

  No, you're, no, because I wouldn't get anything from you.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  No, but I would.

• 25:53Caleb Hammer?

  Other than a court censure. Either way, it's just a general filming, it's just a general filming contract. Our lawyers-

• 26:00Speaker 03

  I thought you enjoyed the first minute. Don't you?

• 26:04Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah.

• 26:04Speaker 03

  You do. Okay.

• 26:05Caleb Hammer?

  So you would, you would- That's, you know, that's from the government, right?

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Right. Exactly. No, I went to law school. Did you?

• 26:11Caleb Hammer?

  You did not go to law school.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  I did. I went to, I went to loyal law.

• 26:14Caleb Hammer?

  When did you do this? Because this was never brought up in any of the other episodes, the Green Information Systems.

• 26:19Speaker 03

  I went to loyal law school in 2015 while I was-

• 26:22Caleb Hammer?

  This is a new piece of lore.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  A new piece of lore?

• 26:25Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, it is.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  To me, it's just me. But, cool.

• 26:29Caleb Hammer?

  It's interesting that I'm learning at the third time.

• 26:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. I went to loyal law school in Chicago.

• 26:37Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. Where?

• 26:39Caleb Hammer?

  I assume you did not pass the bar?

• 26:41Speaker 03

  No, I shattered my ankle.

• 26:43Caleb Hammer?

  You're always doing something with your body. Your body always like breaks in the moment you need to do something conveniently. Strawberry?

• 26:54Caleb Hammer?

  Not half bad, huh?

• 26:56Speaker 03

  That's pretty good, dude. That's pretty good.

• 26:58Caleb Hammer?

  I'm a fan.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Who did this?

• 27:00Caleb Hammer?

  H U B, probably.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 27:03Caleb Hammer?

  We love H U, buddy. But again, just because I, I, I feel like I, you're saying things out there that like,

• 27:12Caleb Hammer?

  snarkers or any hit piece type of people would love to repeat, I have to, I have to say it. It's just a general contract out of L A that pretty much most any and every type of show uses.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  I just reading it, I'm like, wow.

• 27:26Caleb Hammer?

  I, I didn't. Wow, a legal contract to come on a show that every other show uses. Okay, yeah, that is very surprising.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  I usually try to, I usually try to review, um, documents I sign, but before the last episode,

• 27:40Speaker 03

  y'all were filming me while I was going over it. You sprung it on me.

• 27:43Caleb Hammer?

  We did.

• 27:43Speaker 03

  And that's actually a little bit of duress right there, which, um, can, you know, weaken the validity of the agreement. And then in the middle.

• 27:52Caleb Hammer?

  Well, good news, we got you now.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Nah, you got, yeah. Um, it's better this time. I had time to review it, yeah.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  But, uh, then in the middle of the episode, we were like an hour and a half in and you're like, uh, oh, I'm like, how can we wrap it up? And then you're like, well, you're not gonna get your money. Noah Chrysler was there.

• 28:13Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  He was there and he, he agreed that that was wrong.

• 28:17Caleb Hammer?

  Is he here now?

• 28:18Speaker 03

  It's good that you have a better production team now because.

• 28:21Caleb Hammer?

  He was objectively fired for being a nuisance in the office and yelling at people constantly that we have on security camera.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  I don't know. I wasn't there.

• 28:29Caleb Hammer?

  Of course not. You're just trying to use that to try to get a leg up by trying to have some online drama.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  I'm not trying to get a leg up.

• 28:35Caleb Hammer?

  Listen to the words you're saying.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  I'm not trying, I'm actually defending myself and criticizing your show.

• 28:42Caleb Hammer?

  But you're unable to in a factual way.

• 28:44Speaker 03

  No, it is factual. It is factual. You threatened to not pay me.

• 28:49Caleb Hammer?

  So do I get to answer it now?

• 28:50Speaker 03

  On that, on that episode after, we've already filmed an hour and a half.

• 28:54Caleb Hammer?

  I'll answer it in thirty seconds.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  And you threatened, and I said, "Well, we have an agreement," and you said, "It's not contractual." You don't even know what a contract is. It's a meeting of the minds. That's the proof in business law, dude.

• 29:06Caleb Hammer?

  He's still getting through it. Let him get him.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  This is business law 101.

• 29:08Caleb Hammer?

  Yes.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  It's business law 101. Yes, go ahead.

• 29:11Caleb Hammer?

  We agreed to film a full episode in order to get the compensation. He was not doing it. He was shutting down and not talking. So of course he wouldn't get paid for filling out his contractual agreement. Fuck you. That's the literal reality.

• 29:22Speaker 03

  That is not what happened. That is not what happened at all.

• 29:26Caleb Hammer?

  You someone who-

• 29:27Speaker 03

  You threatened to withhold it all. I just, I took a break, a little bit of a break, dude. Man, this is so adversarial, it sucks. It just blows, dude. This is why I don't like the show. Should we put laxative in that? I don't know. I just don't, I don't like it.

• 29:44Caleb Hammer?

  You need to go to the bathroom a quick?

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:47Caleb Hammer?

  Are you farting right now?

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I-

• 29:50Caleb Hammer?

  Go, go, go, Matthew, help him.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  I'll be back.

• 29:55Caleb Hammer?

  Feel better?

• 29:58Caleb Hammer?

  First of all, that was the quickest poop I've ever seen.

• 30:00Speaker 03

  I just had to pass a little gas, so.

• 30:03Caleb Hammer?

  Better out there than in here, right?

• 30:05Speaker 03

  It feels better. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we know how sensitive Venus is.

• 30:09Caleb Hammer?

  I am actually very sensitive to smells. It is very true.

• 30:15Caleb Hammer?

  So yes, to clarify, just like any agreement for anyone would get paid to do something, usually we do flat reimbursements for guests just to help them from travel. They don't have to complete... Is that a fart?

• 30:27Speaker 03

  I might have more. No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

• 30:33Speaker 03

  I'm good. I'm sorry, this, this fuck is stressful, dude.

• 30:36Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, okay, we can take a second. Okay. We don't have to do anything stressful.

• 30:44Speaker 03

  True.

• 30:45Caleb Hammer?

  You can tell me. I'm willing to hear your story as always.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  I'm freaking out.

• 30:57Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, step outside for five.

• 31:00Caleb Hammer?

  Please.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  It's a part machine.

• 31:06Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so.

• 31:10Caleb Hammer?

  You're trying to get false sensitive. Trying to get.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  Leslie Nelson used to take one of these every late night show he went on. It was his bit and he actually kept it with him everywhere.

• 31:22Caleb Hammer?

  So you're trying to get false sympathy.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Whenever.

• 31:24Caleb Hammer?

  By pretending to have a panic attack.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Whenever.

• 31:27Caleb Hammer?

  Very good.

• 31:27Speaker 03

  Whenever somebody was being a little too pompous, you'd just go.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  It's a great comedy tool.

• 31:36Caleb Hammer?

  So, yes. Again, everyone gets a flat reimbursement. You, we had, because we know you're a struggle to film with.

• 31:46Caleb Hammer?

  We had to tie your payment, which was larger because you're a big guest and you provide big numbers. You're loved in the community.

• 31:55Caleb Hammer?

  To a certain point. So we had to, yeah, tie the number to it, of course. And just like we are now, of course, you kidding me? Absolutely. I'm willing to fully admit anything and then you bring up that Noah's upset with the episode? Of course, dude, he got fired because that guy right there had a financial audit. He blew up on him and it was on camera. He was endlessly yelling at people in the office. He was a bad producer. He didn't create a backlog. Lindsay, who replaced him now, has the largest backlog in financial audit history. He is someone who's gotten multiple guests in the, multiple episodes in the pipeline. That have already been filmed. It's a full month. He was fired from the job before mine. He was fired from this job. He's a bad employee.

• 32:37Caleb Hammer?

  He is just like any other bad employee that gets fired, they get upset.

• 32:41Speaker 03

  I'm just saying, he witnessed our, our dispute last time where you threatened to say, you're not getting to get paid.

• 32:50Caleb Hammer?

  For not completing the job, yes.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  I wasn't even threatening to walk out.

• 32:53Caleb Hammer?

  No, you were just shutting down, not talking, that's not a podcast.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  No, because it was, it was not like actually rolling. I don't know. I feel like something was creatively.

• 33:01Caleb Hammer?

  Dude, you were just mythicizing.

• 33:03Speaker 03

  I don't know. I was also, I just like stepped out of my car and then immediately like pad down and then, and then sign this, sign this, sign this. And then the camera's all rolling. I didn't have like a. I don't know. It was rough. I mean, it was hard.

• 33:19Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I would accept any valid criticism, and that's actually valid criticism.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was pretty tough.

• 33:25Caleb Hammer?

  That is fair. That is fair. And I'm glad that as we continue to grow, we always become more and more professional. Um, you know, we're up to like 40 employees now, so everyone brings levels of expertise and stuff.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Right on.

• 33:35Caleb Hammer?

  Obviously, from not getting you water in my condo by myself to having

• 33:39Speaker 03

  It's just a natural thing.

• 33:40Caleb Hammer?

  A producer who couldn't do his job last time to now, you know, a better and better team. Yes.

• 33:45Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 33:46Caleb Hammer?

  Is, yeah. So I apologize if you fell on the spot. I really do.

• 33:49Speaker 03

  Thanks, man.

• 33:50Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  Look out where, look where.

• 33:52Caleb Hammer?

  Well, yes, because if you provide valid criticism based in reality, I will accept it and acknowledge it. The other bullshit was bullshit. So, your life financially, how's it been? Because this is Financial Audit after all.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean.

• 34:06Caleb Hammer?

  Your favorite show?

• 34:07Speaker 03

  It's my.

• 34:08Caleb Hammer?

  Top 10 on the internet, am I right?

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Boy.

• 34:11Caleb Hammer?

  And you love that.

• 34:12Speaker 03

  I'm not. I really don't understand, but I don't understand a lot about new media.

• 34:18Caleb Hammer?

  Half the time I don't either.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. It's wild. Um, uh, I'm not doing great. I mean, I had.

• 34:26Caleb Hammer?

  You came with such positive energy. I thought you said everything was going well.

• 34:29Speaker 03

  Everything's going well in my life because I got sober.

• 34:33Caleb Hammer?

  Oh!

• 34:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:34Caleb Hammer?

  First of all, what was your addiction?

• 34:35Speaker 03

  Oh, alcohol.

• 34:37Caleb Hammer?

  Was that last time too?

• 34:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was binge drinking like every weekend.

• 34:42Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, weekend. So we didn't film on the weekend. So you were not drunk during our.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 34:45Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, I was gonna say, I didn't even know this.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  It wasn't that kind of a day, drink every day kind of thing. It was like, always in my mind, I'm going to, I'm just working towards the next time I'm gonna have a bender, right? And it completely consumed, uh, my thought processes to the point where I just felt like I wasn't being myself. Like I've lost a point in myself. So in July, I checked myself into rehab in a mental stay.

• 35:13Caleb Hammer?

  Good. July.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:15Caleb Hammer?

  Very good rehab, and it's gone well so far.

• 35:17Speaker 03

  It's gone great.

• 35:18Caleb Hammer?

  Dude, well done, seriously.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  No, thank you. It was overdue. Like, I, I really relapsed during the pandemic isolation, and that was five years ago. So it was overdue.

• 35:28Caleb Hammer?

  Wow, five years of going pretty hard, huh?

• 35:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. I feel really good.

• 35:33Caleb Hammer?

  Good.

• 35:33Speaker 03

  But that's just the sobriety talking, you know?

• 35:36Caleb Hammer?

  Well, isn't that good? Is that good?

• 35:37Speaker 03

  That's the joke.

• 35:38Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, I don't know.

• 35:41Caleb Hammer?

  I've never had to do it.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  It's a play on the, that's just the alcohol talking. It's just the sobriety talking.

• 35:46Caleb Hammer?

  You are, you're ready for the late night show tour?

• 35:48Speaker 03

  Well, thank you, man. I was like, it works with the sobriety crowd. Yeah, I identify as an addict. Like I identify as like a recovering alcoholic, experiencing recovery while I'm in recovery.

• 36:02Caleb Hammer?

  Absolutely.

• 36:03Speaker 03

  I just want to clarify that for the identity politics. You know, we have to be really specific these days.

• 36:09Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, yeah, I mean, no, I'm actually really proud of you for getting, I didn't know that was an issue you were dealing with.

• 36:16Caleb Hammer?

  So, well done, because that's really hard. Alcohol is one of the harder ones for sure.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  It's a beast, yeah, that's for sure.

• 36:21Caleb Hammer?

  So how many have you been sober?

• 36:23Speaker 03

  July 28th is my sober date.

• 36:26Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, well, so that brings us just over two months, right?

• 36:29Speaker 03

  Yep, I just got my two months ship.

• 36:31Caleb Hammer?

  Take another bite of cake, you deserve it.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  Thank you, dude, absolutely.

• 36:35Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, sir. So, I mean, that's something that, you know, I always got to take very seriously. What I try to tell people when we do financial audit or financial audit follow-ups, whatever it is, is, yes, personal finance is very important, but mental and drug addictions, anything like that, that comes number one, because there is-

• 36:56Speaker 03

  It can hamstring you.

• 36:57Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, that comes number one, because if you don't address that, then there is no financial conversation to be had. And if you're not going to be here in 20 years, there's no financial sacrifices.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  There's nothing to look forward to, there's nothing to build for. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like my earning potential is going to be, it's relatively unknown, because I was been drinking so, over the last five years, so I don't really know what I'm capable of.

• 37:19Caleb Hammer?

  So what is going on now?

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Ah, let's see. I am, um, working on a concept for an improv show, a game.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  That.

• 37:32Caleb Hammer?

  Damn it. Brands, damn it.

• 37:34Speaker 03

  What's up?

• 37:35Caleb Hammer?

  I mean, it's fun.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:36Caleb Hammer?

  I just really wish it was like, cause last time you had a big thing, you were 100,000% convinced you were gonna win this like, uh, song grant.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  I've got, I've gotten grants for music before.

• 37:49Caleb Hammer?

  Did you win the grant?

• 37:50Speaker 03

  I didn't get that one.

• 37:51Caleb Hammer?

  That's the thing is like.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  You don't win all.

• 37:53Caleb Hammer?

  You don't, but you were very confident.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  I know, but you've been in entertainment a long time. You know that everything does. I've gotten music grants from them before. They recommended a smaller sized one and that one's kinda on the back burner right now because.

• 38:06Caleb Hammer?

  Well, that's my concern. Cause you bring this up, this game show idea. I'm like, can we just do a job?

• 38:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. What do you think I've been doing?

• 38:13Caleb Hammer?

  Okay. Well, that's what I'm asking. That's what I'm trying to figure out. What have you been doing?

• 38:17Speaker 03

  I've been doing Uber Eats, which is sucks.

• 38:20Caleb Hammer?

  Okay. Why are you still doing that? Cause last time we established, I wasn't going very well for you.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  I've been applying to like Walmart and Chick-fil-A and.

• 38:27Caleb Hammer?

  But are you still doing the thing where you kinda go in there and be like, let's rework how Chick-fil-A works?

• 38:32Speaker 03

  That's not, that's not really the approach that I, I give, but I do wonder if I got an interview for Chick-fil-A, they won't actually like respond. But if I did.

• 38:44Caleb Hammer?

  Wait.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Should I tell them?

• 38:46Caleb Hammer?

  Wait, what do you mean you got an interview, but they won't respond? How does that work?

• 38:49Speaker 03

  If I got an interview at Chick-fil-A.

• 38:51Caleb Hammer?

  If you got an interview. You wouldn't respond or they wouldn't?

• 38:53Speaker 03

  Oh, I haven't got a response from Chick-fil-A.

• 38:56Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  But if I did, I'm always like thinking, should I have mentioned that I helped start like the protests against them? Like, I mean, that's a pretty good point.

• 39:06Caleb Hammer?

  Probably not.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  You know, I mean, it.

• 39:07Caleb Hammer?

  I would suggest no.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  And we won.

• 39:09Caleb Hammer?

  You did?

• 39:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:11Caleb Hammer?

  Aren't they the most successful fast food chain in this country?

• 39:13Speaker 03

  The foundation changed just political position on marriage equality. They don't attack us anymore.

• 39:17Caleb Hammer?

  Well, so did pretty much everyone though. Everyone kinda got on board with.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  I know. That's, that was, it took action and thing.

• 39:24Caleb Hammer?

  You think it was that? Or just like, just culture just moving forward.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  It took action. They wouldn't just like do that, like.

• 39:32Caleb Hammer?

  Maybe, I don't know. I personally don't know.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  It's a dialectic. Politics is a dialectic. People respond. Positions. You can guide people into stronger positions. You can take action into kind of creating the emphasis to a better position.

• 39:52Caleb Hammer?

  They just got to like, oh, my nephew's gay. Oh, maybe gay people aren't weird. No, we like gays.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:57Caleb Hammer?

  For a lot of people, that's just kind of, it was evolution over a few decades.

• 40:00Speaker 03

  Right, but it also took action. What really changed Chick-fil-A's, what is their foundation? Cathy? Something like that. They had a foundation that was funding opposition to marriage equality.

• 40:16Caleb Hammer?

  Well, they lost that one, so maybe they just gave up.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Well, what really did it was when municipalities started saying that they can't rent spaces from their airports. From, you know, city-owned, city-owned buildings. And that.

• 40:34Caleb Hammer?

  So no working for Chick-fil-A. Got that? What's next?

• 40:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Um, let's see. I am acting, I'm playing music.

• 40:44Caleb Hammer?

  I'm trying to talk about like trying to get a job.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm driving Uber Eats.

• 40:48Caleb Hammer?

  I know, I know. But trying to get a job. We know you're doing Uber Eats.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I apply all the time for, for tons of jobs everywhere.

• 40:56Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, hold on. I have your resume.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 40:58Caleb Hammer?

  I'll review it.

• 40:59Speaker 03

  What was that?

• 41:00Caleb Hammer?

  It's in here?

• 41:03Caleb Hammer?

  I want to review it because if you're applying for jobs.

• 41:05Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:05Caleb Hammer?

  That's fantastic. So let's do your resume.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I probably need help with it.

• 41:10Caleb Hammer?

  You do. From a general scan. Alright, so here's a few pointers out of the gate. One, three pages. You're applying for Chick-fil-A. If Chick-fil-A gets three pages, they're gonna. I mean, they're burning it.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  So what should I put?

• 41:25Caleb Hammer?

  One page. Let's, we're doing one page.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Of what?

• 41:28Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, this is for like a CFO, does, does two pages.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  Uh, but what, uh, what should I put?

• 41:34Caleb Hammer?

  Well, we'll talk about that, but that's just.

• 41:36Speaker 03

  Uber, Uber?

• 41:37Caleb Hammer?

  Well, hold on.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Oh, cause Uber's in there.

• 41:39Caleb Hammer?

  We'll, we'll get to there, what you put on it, but just first things first. For what you're trying to do, three pages, eh, one page.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 41:46Caleb Hammer?

  Like, what job is this going to?

• 41:49Speaker 03

  That basket of jobs.

• 41:51Caleb Hammer?

  Not a basket, because you need to curate resumes very specifically. That is a part of the reason why you're immediately getting turned down.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  Digital strategist.

• 41:58Caleb Hammer?

  Digital strategist, perfect. So freelance writer, I'd get rid of that. Digital media consultant, okay, I'd keep that on. Personality, get rid of it. Uh, strategist, portfolio, maybe. What is Medium?

• 42:08Speaker 03

  What is Medium?

• 42:09Caleb Hammer?

  Medium link.

• 42:10Speaker 03

  Um, Medium is a, it's started by the guys that started Twitter, Jack and.

• 42:15Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so nobody's using it.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  But it's a, it's a long form publishing platform. I, I would say it's like the sister to Twitter, but it's long form.

• 42:26Caleb Hammer?

  With no users?

• 42:28Speaker 03

  Um, I don't know where there's user base right now. It's just a, um, a blogging sort of tool. I don't know their numbers.

• 42:36Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, so, results-driven media pro with specialties in writing, infotainment, and content strategy. That's pretty okay. Shaping audience and user experience. I, I'm okay with that. Maximum earned impact for maximum earned impact since 2001. That's a little weird. Sometimes funny, always shipping. I'd get rid of that. No need for personality in here.

• 43:01Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 43:02Caleb Hammer?

  Are you okay with that? Are you taking offense to it?

• 43:04Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 43:05Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, okay. You're also talking about, and we cannot do this, I would do job by job, because what you did 2013 to present, what you're doing through these bullet points, which is meant to be about the content media specialist or whatever. You have part-time Uber driver with 2,500 plus deliveries with 99% customer satisfaction. I just, I wouldn't even, wouldn't even put that in there. I'm gonna be honest. Just like, it doesn't, like, no.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  No fatalities.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  And no fatalities.

• 43:34Caleb Hammer?

  It says zero fatalities.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  I'm not taking that out.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  That's, yeah, and zero fatalities. That's big. Have you, have you been a taxi cab driver?

• 43:44Caleb Hammer?

  Brent, I want you to get a job.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, no. I'm not taking that out.

• 43:49Caleb Hammer?

  What are we talking about? Help to usher in scientifically defensible COVID policies. Contributing member of hashtag Team Reality on X.

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• 44:23Caleb Hammer?

  You're a poster on social media. That's not a job. Posting on X is not a job.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  You get little gigs out of it. You get little gigs out of it.

• 44:32Caleb Hammer?

  You didn't talk about the gig. You talked about you being posting.

• 44:35Speaker 03

  And it's like...

• 44:35Caleb Hammer?

  earning praise from the NIH director. Do they even know that? And your surgeon general?

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 44:41Caleb Hammer?

  Well, hey, former surgeon general of Florida, Dr. Joseph Ladpo. This is who you praised.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  No, who, we know each other. Yeah, we know each other.

• 44:54Caleb Hammer?

  Is that what you say about me?

• 44:57Speaker 03

  No, I mean, every, I just say, I just say that, uh...

• 45:01Caleb Hammer?

  Because you seem to know a lot of people, but do they know that you, they know you?

• 45:05Speaker 03

  I say you're really nice.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  That's what I say.

• 45:08Caleb Hammer?

  I am nice. In general, I'm also a, I go between, like, I just, I just, I hit it real.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 45:17Caleb Hammer?

  Would you disagree?

• 45:19Speaker 03

  I don't know what's going on.

• 45:22Caleb Hammer?

  That's concerning.

• 45:24Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so yeah, this is, I mean, just this, oh my gosh. All right. Hey, let's pay to sit Brent down with like a resume helper, because this is just, yeah, let's do that. Because this is gonna be just too much to go to, and we gotta get to these finances. Because that, just that first page out of three, this is a disaster.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  I want you to look at all my skills, dude, because I'm like, I got skills like,

• 45:46Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you gotta get to the third page to see them.

• 45:48Speaker 03

  I got skills, dude.

• 45:50Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, skills, storytelling. Growth marketing, infotainment, improv comedy.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:58Caleb Hammer?

  I haven't seen it yet. Songwriting, horseback riding.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  Totally. If, if, you don't know, you might be like working at a coffee shop and then you gotta get on a horse. I don't know how things work. It happens.

• 46:14Caleb Hammer?

  Media analysis, analytics, well, that's good. Business consulting, is that a skill? I don't know. It's more of a job. Horseback, more, okay, come on, dude. This is so stupid.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  He's not even gonna say it.

• 46:29Caleb Hammer?

  It's so stupid. You're memeing your life.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  I'm not even gonna say it.

• 46:32Caleb Hammer?

  So how about this, Brent? Genuine question. Genuine question. Do you even give a [__] about your life?

• 46:38Speaker 03

  That one.

• 46:39Caleb Hammer?

  Do you even give a [__]?

• 46:41Speaker 03

  You don't because you won't read my resume.

• 46:43Caleb Hammer?

  Do you even give a [__]? You're doing nothing. Your resume is a joke. You're acting like a joke. You don't do anything. You're not pursuing anything real. You've never accomplished anything real and tangible.

• 46:55Speaker 00

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• 47:20Caleb Hammer?

  The only thing holding you, the only thing going for you is your, okay, Brent, what are you doing? Come on. I, I'm genuinely, I want to know, do you give a about your life? No. You ever try to figure out what your insurance actually covers? It's like decoding ancient scrolls, except instead of treasure, you're rewarded with a hold music marathon and a vague, maybe. And that is why I love what Row is doing. They created a free insurance checker that tells you if your insurance covers GLP-1 medications, stuff like Ozempic or Wegovy. And here's how it works. You just submit your insurance info and a few days later, Row sends back a report showing which GLP-1s are covered and whether a prior authorization is needed. No paperwork, no hold music, no being transferred six times.

• 48:04Caleb Hammer?

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• 49:29Caleb Hammer?

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• 49:59Speaker 03

  What you want me to say?

• 50:00Caleb Hammer?

  No!

• 50:05Caleb Hammer?

  Dude, you're the fucking Joker, man!

• 50:06Speaker 03

  I don't know, are you an idiot? We just threw an emotional arc in the middle of the podcast where I'm like saying that I just went to fucking rehab, dude. I don't know, you're like missing a beat or something.

• 50:18Caleb Hammer?

  Yet your resume is a joke, and you're not doing anything to improve your, this part of your life.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  So you're saying I-

• 50:24Caleb Hammer?

  I celebrated the rehab with you. We're not gonna sit here and jerk each other off the entire conversation about it.

• 50:29Speaker 03

  I should, I should-

• 50:29Caleb Hammer?

  We're moving on.

• 50:30Speaker 03

  I shouldn't use that resume?

• 50:34Speaker 03

  Hold on, I gotta go rethink my life.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  I shouldn't use that resume? Is that what you're saying?

• 50:43Caleb Hammer?

  What are you doing right now?

• 50:44Speaker 03

  I should- That was real? You're saying I really shouldn't use that resume?

• 50:50Speaker 03

  He's saying I shouldn't use that resume?

• 50:59Caleb Hammer?

  In the little confused look I do.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  I gotta, I gotta, I gotta fucking rethink everything. My god. Been wasting time. Hold on, this, this episode's changed my life. I could already feel it coming on.

• 51:14Caleb Hammer?

  You know you have the choice.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  For what?

• 51:18Caleb Hammer?

  People that take and make the choice to walk away from here and put in actionable things that we talk about, change their lives. We have incredibly successful people that have been on the show.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  Uh?

• 51:26Caleb Hammer?

  You're not one of them. And that is your choice.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. Just a loser.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  Just a loser.

• 51:37Caleb Hammer?

  If we're being candid, yes.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  Yep. I'm a loser. So why don't you-

• 51:44Caleb Hammer?

  I can't hear you, the AC.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  Oh. I'm a loser, baby, why don't you kill me?

• 51:49Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, my-

• 51:53Caleb Hammer?

  I don't know how this always happens, but we talk about I how I want you to get better in something that is wrong with something you're doing. And then the third time is the charm where without fail, you're just a baby.

• 52:10Speaker 03

  I'll keep going.

• 52:12Caleb Hammer?

  No, that's it.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  I'll keep going. You got any more though? I mean, it's gonna take a while to fill up like an episode.

• 52:19Caleb Hammer?

  So you don't care?

• 52:21Speaker 03

  I can fill up podcasts just talking by myself.

• 52:24Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, that's why you've been so successful.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  Can you do it?

• 52:27Caleb Hammer?

  Well, as the top 10 podcasts on the internet, yes.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  But not by yourself. You need to pay somebody to beat up on.

• 52:34Caleb Hammer?

  Not pay. You get paid.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  That's that's.

• 52:37Caleb Hammer?

  Because.

• 52:37Speaker 03

  You pay somebody to beat up him. Do you think you'd be famous if you didn't have somebody paid to beat up on?

• 52:44Caleb Hammer?

  They're not paid.

• 52:46Speaker 03

  Honest question.

• 52:47Caleb Hammer?

  Again, the way you approach everything is so disingenuous.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Are you not gonna are you not gonna answer the question?

• 52:51Caleb Hammer?

  Honest question, but your question's wrong.

• 52:55Speaker 03

  Do you think that you would be successful if you weren't paying people to beat up on them?

• 53:00Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I got had a quarter million dollar net worth at 25 before starting the show, well above the median average. So yes.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  That was an honest question.

• 53:07Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, but but it was not a good faith question because it was incorrect.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  No, I was honestly wondering. I don't know you.

• 53:13Caleb Hammer?

  People to come on the show. Don't be a dumb Brent.

• 53:15Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 53:16Caleb Hammer?

  Don't be a dumb. You're being.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  I what? I'm being a.

• 53:20Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, you're being a.

• 53:21Speaker 03

  For you. This is inappropriate.

• 53:23Caleb Hammer?

  You're being a cuz you know that's a disingenuous answer.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  At least like do something slightly real instead of just like, ah, random word. I remember. It's not even relevant to like, I asked you a genuine question.

• 53:39Caleb Hammer?

  It wasn't genuine. It wasn't good faith. You know, we don't pay people to come on the show. You get paid once a year to go to just sit here and see what's happened to you because.

• 53:50Speaker 03

  I responded to a paid casting call.

• 53:52Caleb Hammer?

  Exactly.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  I went on.

• 53:53Caleb Hammer?

  Well, that was different. That's when we didn't have an audience. So yeah, we put it out onto platforms to receive people.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  I don't know how it works, man.

• 54:00Caleb Hammer?

  Didn't ask instead of fucking.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  That's what I did.

• 54:03Caleb Hammer?

  You didn't. You're being disingenuous.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  Did I not ask him? I just asked him, do you think you would be famous?

• 54:08Caleb Hammer?

  If. What was the second half of your question?

• 54:11Speaker 03

  I, do you think you'd be famous if you didn't pay people to go on your show? And you could be like, no, we don't. Okay. I don't know.

• 54:18Caleb Hammer?

  Well, no, because the question is, would you be famous? They wasn't having to correct the second half. You're not a good faith person.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  You don't think that was good faith?

• 54:25Caleb Hammer?

  You're not, no, you're not a good faith person.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm sorry. I, I was genuinely curious.

• 54:30Caleb Hammer?

  I've never viewed you as a bad person. I viewed you as a troubled person and kind of a loser, because you've never accomplished anything in your entire life, but...

• 54:39Speaker 03

  I won a flat award, dude.

• 54:41Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy, you made $4,000 a month off that magazine. It wasn't a very good magazine. You didn't do...

• 54:46Speaker 03

  I won a flat award.

• 54:47Caleb Hammer?

  Also, you tried to re-

• 54:48Speaker 03

  I got citations in the Washington Post.

• 54:50Caleb Hammer?

  You know what you got? You tried to renegotiate your contract and they said, oh shit, you're not worth dick. And they got you out of there.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  Well, now you're saying I wasn't getting paid enough. Maybe there was a reason I quit.

• 55:00Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, almost like, you didn't, you didn't quit. You tried to get more money. They said no.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  I knew how much money we were making.

• 55:07Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, not much.

• 55:08Speaker 03

  And I decided it wasn't worth it anymore. I wanted to move on. I didn't like the editorial direction you was taking.

• 55:12Caleb Hammer?

  And you've been so successful since.

• 55:15Speaker 03

  No!

• 55:16Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, correct. There you go. So, yes, again, I've never considered you a genuinely bad person.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  I'm not out here saying that I'm a financial success, dude. You're like, you're arguing with a straw man.

• 55:27Caleb Hammer?

  I'm not arguing with anything. I-

• 55:28Speaker 03

  You're arguing with a straw man, dude.

• 55:29Caleb Hammer?

  You don't let me get to the end of my statements and my thoughts.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Go on, I'm gonna shut up for a little while.

• 55:34Caleb Hammer?

  What I was gonna say is I've never viewed you as a genuinely bad person, but I have viewed you as kind of a loser in life and a troubled person. Just bec- and because of that, it's because of how you act, how you send emails, you're getting arrested for death threats to the governor, and because-

• 55:49Speaker 03

  I already went over that.

• 55:50Caleb Hammer?

  And you sent a death threat.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  What point, no, I did not.

• 55:52Caleb Hammer?

  But-

• 55:53Speaker 03

  I did not.

• 55:54Caleb Hammer?

  But, in the end, now after this conversation, seeing how-

• 55:58Speaker 03

  You are, you are actually, okay-

• 56:00Caleb Hammer?

  So you're not gonna let me finish my point, because I was actually, I was done.

• 56:02Speaker 03

  No, because you're actually libeling me again. You, you have a trouble with reality.

• 56:07Caleb Hammer?

  Sue me.

• 56:08Speaker 03

  I might.

• 56:10Caleb Hammer?

  Do it.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  I might.

• 56:12Caleb Hammer?

  Love to see how these war chests stack up against each other.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  It doesn't really matter. There's fact and objectivity.

• 56:18Caleb Hammer?

  Yes.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  And if you believe in fact and objectivity.

• 56:20Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  You do, right?

• 56:22Caleb Hammer?

  Oh yeah.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Then you libeled me last time by saying that I'm unwilling to work. And I specifically said, I will take a job beneath what I'm expecting.

• 56:31Caleb Hammer?

  You're not willing to work because your resume is a joke. That's not a resume that's gonna get a job and you know it.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  Do you, do you think?

• 56:37Caleb Hammer?

  You don't give a.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  Do you think that that's what I send to everybody?

• 56:41Caleb Hammer?

  I think it's what you send to digital media.

• 56:44Speaker 03

  I think that's what I.

• 56:44Caleb Hammer?

  Which is what you care about.

• 56:46Speaker 03

  You are so strange.

• 56:48Caleb Hammer?

  Again, to finish my point, but now because of seeing how you've approached some of these things with bringing up Noah disingenuously without you knowing anything about it. Without, with you bringing up the.

• 57:02Speaker 03

  He just.

• 57:02Caleb Hammer?

  With you, I'm gonna finish my point with you bringing up you're paying guests to come on to get berated when that is objectively not true. I no longer unfortunately believe that you're not generally a bad person because you are not good faith. You come in and you try to smear to take down the show that has you got your feelings hurt because you get called on your shit for the first time in your life. Because you're an egotistical who never gets called out on anything. You're a child.

• 57:31Speaker 00

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• 57:56Caleb Hammer?

  Come on, flag pin. Where's your debate rebuttal? You're on the stage, the nation's watching.

• 58:02Speaker 03

  Not true.

• 58:03Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, good one.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  It's all it takes.

• 58:06Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, hit it.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  It's all it takes.

• 58:08Caleb Hammer?

  It's all it takes, except we literally have the facts about not paying guests to come on the show. We literally have the facts about Noah. We have the facts about all this. Your last episode, you were disingenuous about the payment thing. Shut the. You are not a good faith person. You're not a good person.

• 58:26Caleb Hammer?

  I'm happy and can celebrate the sobriety thing just, just because you did one good thing, very good thing, does not all of a sudden mean the rest of your life is considered good, or that you're a good person. And that's not how it should ever do. Oh, come on. It's not a sorry, I feel that way. It's via your actions and your statements.

• 58:45Caleb Hammer?

  When people disingenuously try to bring down someone because they just don't like the way they say things, it's a disgusting thing. It's a disgusting part of our culture. You are a disgusting part of our culture. You are gonna make things up, just like many other people have, to try to harm somebody because you didn't like them. You're disgusting.

• 59:02Caleb Hammer?

  But besides that, what do you think your financial score is today? Zero to 10? Zero being the worst, 10 being the best.

• 59:07Speaker 03

  I don't know where that's coming from.

• 59:08Caleb Hammer?

  You don't know? I would say probably zero. If you want your Hammer financial score, go to CalebHammer.com. You can take it for free, see where you stand. And if you get oddly below a zero and you get put in the moron category when Brent's face pops up on screen at the end of the quiz, that's your fault. And only him, in his one, single voter election, is probably the only one to get that result on the website. But you'll get a Hammer financial score. It's free. See where you stand, CalebHammer.com. Download the Dollar Wise app. It's really good, Brent. You could use it. You get it for free.

• 59:36Speaker 03

  Are you okay?

• 59:42Caleb Hammer?

  Oh my goodness, an in-video advertiser. That's crazy. That's never been heard of before.

• 59:46Speaker 03

  But usually, it's more like, what you want to do in-

• 59:49Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, please, tell me successful podcast, or how is it normally?

• 59:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's more like integrated conversationally. I think you just like went, whoa! It was crazy. But maybe it works. I mean, it works after editing. It's just weird to experience in real life. Sorry.

• 1:00:05Caleb Hammer?

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• 1:00:14Speaker 03

  Are you talking to me?

• 1:00:16Caleb Hammer?

  I'm looking at you.

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  Are you talking to me? Okay. It's so weird.

• 1:00:21Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh. How much money came in last month?

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  Um, I was in rehab.

• 1:00:27Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, is that the month we have?

• 1:00:31Speaker 00

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• 1:00:56Speaker 03

  I'm still actually in outpatient.

• 1:01:00Caleb Hammer?

  That's good.

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's nice. It's great.

• 1:01:02Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I want you to get the support where you can. Again, just because I know behind the scenes that you're generally not a good person. You have done bad things and you tried to harm us in many different ways. Doesn't mean that I'm not going to celebrate you. And hopefully, you know what? Actually, I want to take into account that during those times when we

• 1:01:21Caleb Hammer?

  when we receive those phone calls from those sources.

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  I canceled Gerber from your last show. I was so pissed off with the way you treated me in the last show. I had Gerber, I talked to somebody in Gerber. I said, this is terrible. Somebody's going to kill themselves on the show. Like, I was literally worried that somebody will kill themselves on this show. I mean, it was.

• 1:01:42Caleb Hammer?

  Will it be you? Like, is that what you're saying? I don't know.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  Oh, I thought about it.

• 1:01:45Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I hope not. Please don't. If you need help, 998 and reach out. We will make sure we do anything to make sure you don't.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  I think that's, yeah.

• 1:01:53Caleb Hammer?

  Reminder, what you guys do not know is I've answered a phone call in the middle of a water park, having fun with my friends on a day off on a weekend from Brent. Talked to him for an hour and helped him. Yeah, you don't even remember this.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  No, you didn't.

• 1:02:07Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  Was this, what year was this? Was this?

• 1:02:09Caleb Hammer?

  What year was this? It doesn't fucking matter.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  We've been going for three years.

• 1:02:12Caleb Hammer?

  Exactly. This was about a year and a half ago.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  No, not a year and a half ago. You didn't at a water park.

• 1:02:17Caleb Hammer?

  Trustworthy, huh? You say I was not at a water park? I also talked to you in my driveway once on the phone as well. I help you when you need help and you try to hurt us behind our back.

• 1:02:28Speaker 03

  I answered your call when I was in a.

• 1:02:32Caleb Hammer?

  After you sent troubling text messages, yes, I reached out

• 1:02:38Caleb Hammer?

  and talked to you on the phone to help you. So, you saying this show's bad?

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  You didn't, though.

• 1:02:46Caleb Hammer?

  Reliable source of information, Brent Davy. Yes, trust him or trust me? You decide who.

• 1:02:53Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, fuck. Okay, well, the finances is gonna be interesting. I've never done the finances of the month that someone was in rehab. Um, what are the, what's been happening since you've been out? Let's say, oh, uh, well, September. What happened September finances was?

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  I don't know. I guess it was.

• 1:03:13Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, it just ended. September just ended.

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  I mean, I've been working on things. I don't really know.

• 1:03:22Caleb Hammer?

  Like what?

• 1:03:25Caleb Hammer?

  What have you been working on?

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  Myself?

• 1:03:29Caleb Hammer?

  That's things? Cool. What have you been doing to work on yourself?

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  I'm volunteering. I'm.

• 1:03:36Caleb Hammer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:37Speaker 03

  Going to meetings.

• 1:03:39Caleb Hammer?

  Good. We support that.

• 1:03:42Caleb Hammer?

  And with the rest of the time?

• 1:03:49Speaker 03

  Preparing to go on the show.

• 1:03:51Caleb Hammer?

  How long, how much preparation? You know, everyone that comes on the show is from the audience and they literally just come and they film and then they go home and they have a good time and everyone's happy. What the f**k do you have to prepare for?

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  Well, I've.

• 1:04:03Caleb Hammer?

  Log into your accounts?

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  I've been working with.

• 1:04:05Caleb Hammer?

  I guess that's stressful.

• 1:04:06Speaker 03

  Redacting things.

• 1:04:07Caleb Hammer?

  No need. We do that.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  You didn't the first time, so I've been.

• 1:04:12Caleb Hammer?

  The first time, Brent, when I was in my condo by myself, you know the show's different. Don't be a disingenuous prick.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Maybe I have f**k traumatic stress disorder too. I don't know.

• 1:04:20Caleb Hammer?

  Well, you seem to have everything. You make up something new every episode, like law, this time, law school.

• 1:04:27Speaker 03

  I went to Loyola Law School. I dropped out after I shattered my ankle.

• 1:04:30Caleb Hammer?

  This is interesting how when you were really happy.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  Is this real or is this, is he bullsh**? Does he actually not believe me or is he like being potentially.

• 1:04:38Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy, this is our third meeting and you bragged so hard about your degree in information systems. That would come up in those conversations about you bragging.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  I can't encompass my entire life for you.

• 1:04:49Caleb Hammer?

  Entire life? I asked what you did, what degree, what school you went to the first time. That would have come up, Brent.

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  I dropped out after I shattered my ankle.

• 1:05:00Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, why does the shattering ankle equal dropout? Because people get injured in school.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I had a complication. The cast was, I was-

• 1:05:09Caleb Hammer?

  New lore.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  I was an idiot, the cast was on-

• 1:05:11Caleb Hammer?

  So it's not on your resume, it's another reason not to believe it.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  It was because I didn't graduate, so I didn't put it on there.

• 1:05:15Caleb Hammer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I dropped out after almost a year, but, um, I had a complication. My ankle, uh, the cast was on too tight.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  And I didn't realize it, and my heel died. And when they took off the cast, it was a stage five pressure ulcer.

• 1:05:40Caleb Hammer?

  You've had this thing forever.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:43Caleb Hammer?

  What's the treatment?

• 1:05:44Speaker 03

  It blows. I basically have to-

• 1:05:48Caleb Hammer?

  You know, everyone in the last episode thought you were gonna say cancer, because you hyped it up. You were like, "Stage one." "It used to be stage two, but now it's stage one, uh, with a bandana, uh, uh, press ulcer."

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  Oh, that's because I'm a sweaty Irishman. Um, bandana, so, yeah.

• 1:06:05Caleb Hammer?

  You look better now.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:06:07Caleb Hammer?

  You do, you know, you've had a glow up, and I'm happy the sobriety has worked.

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:10Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, I just got a picture of it, it's a little nasty. What stage is it now?

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  Oh, right now it's a one, but it vacillates- No, that's a stage five.

• 1:06:18Caleb Hammer?

  Good, so now it's one.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  That is a stage five right after. That was the worst it's ever been, and that caused a permanent deep tissue.

• 1:06:25Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, and what is the, uh, treatment?

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  Now it vacillates between one and three, and it's-

• 1:06:30Caleb Hammer?

  That's good.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  Whenever it's three, I have to like clean it and dress it and shit, but like now- If I stand on it too much, it gets acting up.

• 1:06:38Caleb Hammer?

  But remind me, what's the treatment?

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  I was staying off your feet most of the, like, whenever it starts getting bad, I mean, I can I can do some things, but like, sometimes it acts up.

• 1:06:51Caleb Hammer?

  Also, one of my producers right now just went through your entire LinkedIn with key searches. Nothing about Law or Loya was ever on your LinkedIn, and we know you like to type.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I didn't, I didn't put loyal on there because I didn't graduate.

• 1:07:03Caleb Hammer?

  Email inbox, it might be in there for Mr. Brent, because you talk about everything. If they could see the approximately 5,000 emails we received from you.

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  Like lying to going to law school?

• 1:07:14Caleb Hammer?

  Yes.

• 1:07:15Speaker 03

  I met Anthony Romero at law school and I already knew.

• 1:07:17Caleb Hammer?

  You've met everyone, that's your favorite thing, name dropping, that's what you do.

• 1:07:20Speaker 03

  I worked with Anthony Romero.

• 1:07:22Caleb Hammer?

  I'm sure you did, yes, you worked with Barack Obama, you were his best friend and you ran his presidency. This is, I mean, like, this is what you always do.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  Did you see?

• 1:07:30Caleb Hammer?

  And then you've never done anything.

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  Do you know Colin Holback?

• 1:07:33Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, no.

• 1:07:34Speaker 03

  No, uh, he's a documentary filmmaker, he just did that big QAnon thing, it was great. No, I didn't.

• 1:07:40Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, then, yay!

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  But I worked, I worked with him and, and.

• 1:07:43Caleb Hammer?

  Of course you did, Brent. This is what I want to correct about your language, I am not pushing back on you saying you worked with people necessarily. It's you always just amplifying yourself, your bullshit resume, you taking your life as a joke. Oh, I worked with this, I accomplished this. You have nothing tangible that you've ever done and no one's hiring you because of that [BLEEP]. So I want to reframe how you present yourself, because I want you to get a job and have a good career.

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  Tell me what to say.

• 1:08:11Caleb Hammer?

  It's not about what to say, I'm telling you what not to right now. You're always talking about, I've worked with this, I've worked with this, you're jerking yourself constantly off about everything you've done even though you have nothing to show.

• 1:08:21Speaker 03

  I don't have a ton of money.

• 1:08:22Caleb Hammer?

  That's not a b-

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  I asked for a credit on it.

• 1:08:25Caleb Hammer?

  Trying to get you money.

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:08:27Caleb Hammer?

  By getting a [BLEEP] job. Okay, I'll give credit where credit is due, we got loyal, mentioned a couple of times in emails. Couple of emails out of the 5,000, but are they new?

• 1:08:40Caleb Hammer?

  Nowadays, believe in it? I love how every time you look around, um, uh, everyone's eyes go down to the floor. Everyone's afraid of making eye contact with you.

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  They're terrified.

• 1:08:52Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah. Also, again, this is how I know you're bad faith. You went out there, the person who got fired for being bad at their job, and I've only had to fire a couple of people. Um, you went and you were like supporting his entire [bleep] snark bull [bleep]. His disingenuous bull [bleep] because he was a petty [bleep]. I thought he had a perspective. He had a perspective of a fired employee who's very upset that he was bad with his job, multiple jobs in a row, getting fired, and has never accomplished anything in his life and never will. I don't know. His most successful thing he's ever done in his life was about someone else. I talked to him. I thought he was nice. You ever have one of those problems? You just kind of work around? Like the AC in my car was broken for two summers, so I just drove at night. That's not fixing it. That is adapting to a broken system. And that is exactly how I used to shave.

• 1:09:34Caleb Hammer?

  I thought irritation, razor bumps, and red, splotchy skin was just a part of shaving. So I bought the fancy creams. I shaved with the grain, against the grain, sideways. I became a skincare scientist just to keep my face from looking like a pepperoni pizza. And then I tried Henson. Not because it had more blades or weird features, but because it did it. It was just better made, and it actually worked. And now my skin, calmer, zero irritation, and I don't even think about it anymore. And that is the best part. When you finally fix something you've been compensating for, there's this relief. Like, oh, it was never me. It was the tool. If you've been patching your way through shaving, click the link below and try Henson. It's not about doing more. It's about finally solving it.

• 1:10:18Caleb Hammer?

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• 1:11:03Caleb Hammer?

  There's the addiction that I politely requested he did not do. I blew it up here.

• 1:11:13Caleb Hammer?

  What a kind guy. Credit card, no went to collections.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, yeah, I have a couple in collections.

• 1:11:19Caleb Hammer?

  Which is fair, because if you're in sobriety, like I always say, yeah, focus on that, like, put the finances, honestly, do not matter if we're taking care of our life.

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:26Caleb Hammer?

  That's what I always say.

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  It's, it's, it's an investment in myself, so, yeah, totally. I feel like my earning potential is gonna be great.

• 1:11:35Caleb Hammer?

  How old are you?

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  Forty-three.

• 1:11:38Caleb Hammer?

  Really?

• 1:11:45Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:11:49Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah. Okay, same thing happened with this person alone.

• 1:11:56Caleb Hammer?

  And this person alone.

• 1:12:00Caleb Hammer?

  And this person alone. So he just gave up.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  Oh, those are-

• 1:12:04Caleb Hammer?

  Because you weren't in sobriety when these started of not paying. You just full-on stopped paying end of, uh, 2024. It was actually after our last episode. It looks like he just gave up and you stopped.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Caleb Hammer?

  You did the opposite of every other guest.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  I got attacked and then I-

• 1:12:17Caleb Hammer?

  You got attacked now? What happened?

• 1:12:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. I will, I've been attacked a lot, man.

• 1:12:22Caleb Hammer?

  Why are you getting attacked? Where are you? What are you doing?

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  I've just been getting attacked.

• 1:12:27Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, come on, just getting attacked. Give us a little more information.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  Oh, one time, I'm walking down the street from, actually, I bought cleaning supplies at this, uh, Dollar General, and I'm walking down the street with a bucket, and I'm about to clean this room I rented from a pad split, uh, mop and cleaning supplies from Dollar General. I'm being really thrifty, doing everything right, and some girl in a truck goes, "Hey",

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  and throws a bottle at me out of the truck, and I'm like, "What the [bleep]?" What, what was that?

• 1:13:04Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, you made it sound like you, you got beat up by like a

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  Then one time, I'm, one time, I mean,

• 1:13:09Caleb Hammer?

  You've got a bottle thrown at you. That sucks, I'm sorry, but

• 1:13:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:12Caleb Hammer?

  Different things.

• 1:13:12Speaker 03

  Weird things like that. And one time I'm, uh, uh, walking from an extended stay motel

• 1:13:17Caleb Hammer?

  Where are you?

• 1:13:18Speaker 03

  This is Dallas. This is Dallas, man. It was all Dallas. Dallas was, I'm so glad, Dallas was about to eat me alive. Like, uh,

• 1:13:27Caleb Hammer?

  Keep going. You got attacked, please, tell me.

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  Uh, one time I'm walking to the convenience store from the six extended stay motel, about to start my Uber shift, and a crackhead jumped me, like, with my backpack.

• 1:13:40Caleb Hammer?

  We love crackheads.

• 1:13:40Speaker 03

  And I did not have, I did not have my laptop in it, thank God, but, like, I had a pair of glasses in it that I bought from the last time on the show, and then I can just imagine him like, being like, "Oh, there's only glasses in here." And I'm like, "Oh, God." I don't know.

• 1:13:58Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, does that have to do with you not making payments?

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  I wasn't able to make them.

• 1:14:04Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:14:06Speaker 03

  And there's,

• 1:14:07Caleb Hammer?

  But I'm sympathetic for the jumping, I don't see how it's connected.

• 1:14:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like the maintenance of being attacked is a lot of work, you know what I mean?

• 1:14:14Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, so you're in pretty rough areas.

• 1:14:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true. I mean, those, uh, low-income extended stay motels are not

• 1:14:21Caleb Hammer?

  How did you get personal protection of some, you know, pew pew?

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  Um, I,

• 1:14:28Caleb Hammer?

  And I trust me, I'm not advocating for that for you.

• 1:14:30Speaker 03

  I don't know. I, I just didn't do it. I mean,

• 1:14:34Caleb Hammer?

  At least a mace?

• 1:14:34Speaker 03

  I grew up around guns, but

• 1:14:36Caleb Hammer?

  At least a mace? Like, if this was a reoccurring thing, and not the victim blame, but I'm blaming you a little for not going and getting pepper spray after the third time.

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  I've never pulled a weapon on anybody, and I don't even know if I could, so, I mean, it's a self-defense thing.

• 1:14:49Caleb Hammer?

  Pepper spray, I'm not considering that a weapon necessarily.

• 1:14:50Speaker 03

  Defense mechanism. Yeah, I should get a, I should totally have one. You're right.

• 1:14:56Caleb Hammer?

  You've gone gray.

• 1:14:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:14:59Caleb Hammer?

  You're stressed.

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  True.

• 1:15:01Caleb Hammer?

  Stressed lad.

• 1:15:02Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:15:02Caleb Hammer?

  You were a nice blonde boy when I first met you.

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  Blonde?

• 1:15:06Caleb Hammer?

  Or something, I don't know, what the, what are you, brown?

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  Well, it used to be bright red, but it kinda

• 1:15:11Caleb Hammer?

  I did not see red. I never see red. You're ginger!

• 1:15:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:15Caleb Hammer?

  You're ginger! Lindsay, this is one of yours.

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  Yep. Well, our other, um, ginger in our fight went blonde, Lindsay Lohan went blonde. She's a ginger traitor.

• 1:15:33Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh. Personal loan, also collections. This one, this one just started. This personal loan just went to collections. 7:45. Just. Cell phone. This guy's been in collections since forever. Nope.

• 1:15:49Speaker 03

  Oh, that was the cellphone that got stolen in Palm Springs and then I happened.

• 1:15:54Caleb Hammer?

  Palm Springs. Are you able to go anywhere without getting like, are you able to go anywhere without getting?

• 1:16:00Speaker 03

  This was from the last trip when I went to LA.

• 1:16:02Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh. Right. Yes, I remember.

• 1:16:04Speaker 03

  I got robbed.

• 1:16:07Caleb Hammer?

  That sucks, man. I'm sorry. Um.

• 1:16:10Speaker 03

  It's.

• 1:16:11Caleb Hammer?

  Why don't you start putting yourself in safer positions if possible?

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  Risk management is like key.

• 1:16:15Caleb Hammer?

  Well, at least pepper spray.

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:16:17Caleb Hammer?

  Like, this just seems to keep happening.

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Caleb Hammer?

  Like relentlessly.

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, no. Risk reduction. I can't really travel very well, so.

• 1:16:28Caleb Hammer?

  Cause they won't let you on a plane or?

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  No. No. I can't really travel alone very well.

• 1:16:37Caleb Hammer?

  How's your dating life?

• 1:16:39Speaker 03

  Um, I'm not really interested right now.

• 1:16:42Caleb Hammer?

  When's the last time?

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  Last time I had a boyfriend or went on a date?

• 1:16:46Caleb Hammer?

  Both.

• 1:16:47Speaker 03

  Oh, last boyfriend. Oh, probably 2018.

• 1:16:56Caleb Hammer?

  It's a while.

• 1:16:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, a long time.

• 1:16:58Caleb Hammer?

  And date?

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  Uh, I'm not really dating. I can't remember the last date. I probably went out sometime in the last five years, but I'm just like, I don't know. I don't, I'm not really dating.

• 1:17:13Caleb Hammer?

  You're not even?

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  Hmm, not really.

• 1:17:16Caleb Hammer?

  We gotta get you laid.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:17:18Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, you'll get so excited about the world again.

• 1:17:21Speaker 03

  I don't know. I think I did enough of that in my twenties.

• 1:17:26Caleb Hammer?

  Were you safe?

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  Oh, of course. Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:17:31Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

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• 1:18:05Caleb Hammer?

  I mean told, every single time you've been targeted or attacked, you are also equally at that exact time completely like [__] up drunk. Like, are you sure you didn't extender anything, but you just don't maybe have...

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  Anytime that I've been attacked, I've been [__] up drunk? That's not true.

• 1:18:20Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. No, you're right. This was, this was a question. They want me to ask, were you always drunk?

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  Oh, was I always drunk?

• 1:18:29Caleb Hammer?

  I read it wrong.

• 1:18:30Speaker 03

  Oh, I got you. No, um, no, I'm, it's not just always drunk, get attacked, but it sure doesn't help in the risk reduction department. It's a, you know, you don't want to put yourself in risky situations. And when you're drunk out of your mind...

• 1:18:46Caleb Hammer?

  Like bottoming without a condom.

• 1:18:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Ah, there you go, cheers.

• 1:18:51Caleb Hammer?

  Here's some cream, shove it up your ass.

• 1:18:54Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:18:57Caleb Hammer?

  You started with 91 cents in your checking account.

• 1:19:00Speaker 03

  I just got forked, okay.

• 1:19:02Caleb Hammer?

  You started with negative, or you started with 91 cents in your checking account.

• 1:19:06Speaker 03

  Uh, which month? Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:10Caleb Hammer?

  End of Aug, uh, August. So this was ass to rehab, technically.

• 1:19:14Speaker 03

  Oh, right, no, that's right, I was getting out, I guess.

• 1:19:17Caleb Hammer?

  And where was income coming from? Uber Eats?

• 1:19:20Speaker 03

  Um, Uber Eats, yeah.

• 1:19:23Caleb Hammer?

  Any government assistance?

• 1:19:24Speaker 03

  No, um, Uber Eats, writing.

• 1:19:27Caleb Hammer?

  Weren't you on, you don't have like, are you on like Affordable Care Act? Any of the health plans there subsidized?

• 1:19:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got the healthcare.gov plan.

• 1:19:37Caleb Hammer?

  It's pretty easy, isn't it?

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  It was this time.

• 1:19:39Caleb Hammer?

  Can you, thank you, tell that to everyone out there on this show that has come on their bitch and moan, it's so easy.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  No, I had, I had, I had issues getting on it before, but this time, it was easy.

• 1:19:49Caleb Hammer?

  Cause you were sober.

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  No, I was sober.

• 1:19:52Caleb Hammer?

  I'm kidding, I'm joking, I'm goofing with you.

• 1:19:55Speaker 03

  I wasn't like a, you know.

• 1:19:57Caleb Hammer?

  I'm goofing with you. We're friends. Well, no.

• 1:20:02Caleb Hammer?

  I don't want you to repeat that.

• 1:20:04Speaker 03

  Oh my god. Wow, I feel special.

• 1:20:09Caleb Hammer?

  I don't want you to repeat it. And I know you like repeating all the people you know.

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  Telephone tele Brent.

• 1:20:18Caleb Hammer?

  Applebell, Spotify. See, listen, if we're just trying to survive, like, okay, Spotify I'm okay with because you're Uber eating. So like, yeah, let's listen to songs. Just whatever this Applebell subscription, like, I definitely don't want that. There's an overdraft for a second. Spotify?

• 1:20:34Caleb Hammer?

  What do I? Oh, no, it's overdraft from Spotify.

• 1:20:41Speaker 03

  Oh, it's making me cry, man. I'm sorry.

• 1:20:43Caleb Hammer?

  No, it's, it's making me.

• 1:20:46Speaker 03

  Too much.

• 1:20:46Caleb Hammer?

  Get oily. Amazon, what are we Amazoning?

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm a film and television critic on Book and Film Globe, which is absolutely one of the best.

• 1:20:57Caleb Hammer?

  I just want you to survive.

• 1:20:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a job. I'm, it's one of the best, it's one of the best sites in the entire internet.

• 1:21:07Caleb Hammer?

  What's it called?

• 1:21:08Speaker 03

  Book and Film Globe. We got, we got Stephen Garrett from Time Out.

• 1:21:12Speaker 04

  I do not, but I am not a, well.

• 1:21:15Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, Lindsay worked in Hollywood for quite a long time.

• 1:21:19Speaker 04

  But he does, you know, posting on Medium is a thing.

• 1:21:23Speaker 03

  He posts on Medium. I know that. Book and Film Globe, it's owned by Ken Carson, who's.

• 1:21:29Caleb Hammer?

  Dude, I don't know the names you say.

• 1:21:30Speaker 03

  The former editor of The Village Voice in New York. We got Stephen Garrick on from Time Out.

• 1:21:37Caleb Hammer?

  We don't, you're doing the name thing again. You're doing the name thing. You're doing the name thing.

• 1:21:41Speaker 03

  It's a great blog and I love it. It's a journal.

• 1:21:45Caleb Hammer?

  You're spending a lot of money on it when you have none.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  It's media criticism and it's, if you want to know what a thing is about on the internet, like, what is this movie about? I need to like.

• 1:21:56Caleb Hammer?

  Are you sponsored?

• 1:21:57Speaker 03

  Am I sponsored by them? I work there.

• 1:22:01Caleb Hammer?

  What do you make?

• 1:22:03Speaker 03

  I review television.

• 1:22:04Caleb Hammer?

  What do you make? Money!

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  I make, I make money.

• 1:22:07Caleb Hammer?

  How mu- Brent, how much?

• 1:22:10Speaker 03

  I make money. I make money writing about shows on the internet.

• 1:22:13Caleb Hammer?

  Brent, please, how much money?

• 1:22:14Speaker 03

  Lots, lots of money.

• 1:22:15Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, you're being a goofball now because you heard them make a giggle, so you're trying to be silly.

• 1:22:19Speaker 03

  As a freelance writer, I make around 1,000 to 2,000 a month freelance writing.

• 1:22:25Speaker 03

  I mean, I've been

• 1:22:25Caleb Hammer?

  900 came in and you said you're also doing new breeds. That doesn't line up.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  I've been in rehab, dude.

• 1:22:29Caleb Hammer?

  No, you weren't in this month.

• 1:22:31Speaker 03

  What month is it?

• 1:22:32Caleb Hammer?

  This is the entire month of August, not a single date from July.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  Uh, what? Um, I don't know.

• 1:22:38Caleb Hammer?

  I do.

• 1:22:42Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:22:43Speaker 03

  Can I see it?

• 1:22:45Caleb Hammer?

  Um, we have money transfer in from, that looks like the Ubreese card, same with that one. Uh, and then same with that one. So we've only had Ubreese come. Are you sure they know you're employed?

• 1:22:58Speaker 03

  Who? Book and Film Globe? I write for them. Ken Carson signs my checks.

• 1:23:05Caleb Hammer?

  Why did I not see any signed checks?

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  Because the checks don't come in an image on the statement, Caleb.

• 1:23:12Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, but there's no deposits.

• 1:23:13Speaker 03

  Are you sure you do this three times a week?

• 1:23:15Caleb Hammer?

  There was no deposits.

• 1:23:16Speaker 03

  Are you sure you do this three times a week?

• 1:23:17Caleb Hammer?

  No, I'm not. I do four.

• 1:23:18Speaker 03

  Okay. I don't know why. Because maybe I didn't have one go in that month, or maybe I redacted it. I don't know.

• 1:23:24Caleb Hammer?

  You didn't redact it, because I at least see the money coming in.

• 1:23:26Speaker 03

  Oh, Book and Film Globe pays me by check. Other outlets pay me by PayPal.

• 1:23:31Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, you deposit your checks, though.

• 1:23:33Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 1:23:35Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:23:36Speaker 03

  The last one I wrote, I covered, uh...

• 1:23:38Caleb Hammer?

  Because it's Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Dropout TV.

• 1:23:41Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't think I got that check yet. I don't remember. I don't know.

• 1:23:44Caleb Hammer?

  You said every month.

• 1:23:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I usually send an invoice at the end of the month.

• 1:23:49Caleb Hammer?

  This was a whole month, and this was a month, over a month ago.

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  I don't know, Caleb. Sorry. But the last...

• 1:23:57Caleb Hammer?

  Dropout TV?

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  Dropout, I covered, uh... Uh, Dropout TV is great, by the way. Um, they got this show Very Important People that I covered for Book and Film Globe.

• 1:24:07Caleb Hammer?

  Are you sponsored?

• 1:24:08Speaker 03

  Am I sponsored by them?

• 1:24:10Caleb Hammer?

  Dropout TV?

• 1:24:10Speaker 03

  By Dropout TV? No.

• 1:24:11Caleb Hammer?

  Then I don't care.

• 1:24:12Speaker 03

  I just, oh...

• 1:24:13Caleb Hammer?

  Apple Bill, Netflix, Adobe, Amazon, Amazon, and Amazon. It's a lot of Amazon. Can you pull up your Amazon?

• 1:24:23Speaker 03

  My Amazon? Uh, what do you want to see on my Amazon?

• 1:24:26Caleb Hammer?

  Do your orders.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:24:29Caleb Hammer?

  Silly Goose?

• 1:24:29Speaker 03

  See what we ordered.

• 1:24:31Caleb Hammer?

  Silly Goose? Silly Goose guy?

• 1:24:34Speaker 03

  I don't remember what, uh, we're probably Paramount, maybe? I don't know.

• 1:24:39Caleb Hammer?

  I don't know. Can't tell you.

• 1:24:43Caleb Hammer?

  Make it a little cave instead of wanting you frosting.

• 1:24:46Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 1:24:49Speaker 03

  You heart eater. God. Man.

• 1:24:52Caleb Hammer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:53Speaker 03

  Is it good?

• 1:24:54Caleb Hammer?

  It's fine.

• 1:24:56Speaker 03

  Grisly? No?

• 1:24:59Speaker 03

  Huh? Artery?

• 1:25:02Caleb Hammer?

  Probably Amazon.

• 1:25:03Speaker 03

  Let's see what we got. What uh, what are the dates?

• 1:25:05Caleb Hammer?

  What'd you think of the goof juice?

• 1:25:08Speaker 03

  I-

• 1:25:09Caleb Hammer?

  That's Charlie's.

• 1:25:10Speaker 03

  I was like-

• 1:25:13Caleb Hammer?

  I don't know if you put in the proper ratio, did you?

• 1:25:15Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:25:16Caleb Hammer?

  Does it seem sweet or uh, less?

• 1:25:19Speaker 03

  It feels like Kool-Aid.

• 1:25:20Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, it's very Kool-Aid-ish.

• 1:25:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:22Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, I think you have the caffeinated version though. It's just very good instead of going and buying a lot in energy drinks. That link is in the description below. Get yours 25 cents a serving instead of stopping in and getting some bullshit. You can also get free samples. Put in code Caleb to test.

• 1:25:39Caleb Hammer?

  I'll be honest, I do like Charlie. That's not my favorite one.

• 1:25:43Speaker 03

  Let's see. What are the dates on the order?

• 1:25:46Caleb Hammer?

  I just wanna look at your orders. Can I just look at your orders?

• 1:25:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:50Caleb Hammer?

  Woohemium chick bandana. Back with the bandanas, aren't ya? Another bandana. Really spent a lot of money on bandanas. He got the water bottle. Dude, we would've got you a free bottle. You know you can reach out, besides the, you know, sketchy things you send us, you're allowed to ask for help and we will set you up with anything.

• 1:26:05Speaker 03

  Oh, sweet.

• 1:26:07Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy, I've offered that since the first episode.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  Oh, I didn't, I, I, I didn't know.

• 1:26:12Caleb Hammer?

  You can send more than threats. Um, okay, color changer for your bedroom.

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  I just invited you over though. That was all.

• 1:26:21Speaker 03

  I invited you over? And you were attended?

• 1:26:24Caleb Hammer?

  Multivitamin, that's okay. Razors, you know, prepping for the one bottom per decade. Taking some assumptions there.

• 1:26:36Caleb Hammer?

  Power bottom, though.

• 1:26:38Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:26:39Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, playing cards.

• 1:26:41Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 1:26:42Caleb Hammer?

  Shirts, I don't know. Fidget spinner, like, a lot of these don't seem 100% necessary. And then chess, like, I'm just like, ugh. It's that we're really struggling with money.

• 1:26:50Speaker 03

  These are essential rehab goods that, I mean,

• 1:26:53Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:26:54Speaker 03

  Like, these are, you need chess in rehab.

• 1:26:57Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, they don't have it?

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  Well, we didn't at our house, so I bought it for us. I mean, I would think that.

• 1:27:06Caleb Hammer?

  No check from them in July either. Now, I know, of course, that's when you actually were in rehab. But I'm just, I'm just, I have two months here and I didn't see a single check.

• 1:27:14Speaker 03

  Deposited it, but I covered, um, I don't know if I got paid for it yet, but I covered very important people in, I think it was July.

• 1:27:23Caleb Hammer?

  Can you show me your article?

• 1:27:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. They loved it on Dropout TV, loved it.

• 1:27:29Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I'm sure. Made them look good, right?

• 1:27:33Speaker 03

  Well, I love the show. I love covering things I love. I don't think I'll cover this one.

• 1:27:39Caleb Hammer?

  Hmm? Don't think you'll cover Financial Audit? Oh, it's okay. Most press is negative press, but that's how that makes money, baby.

• 1:27:48Speaker 03

  Oh, check it out.

• 1:27:52Speaker 03

  Oh, that's Vic. We found a really good still for the header image.

• 1:27:55Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh. And do you have any confirmation anywhere that you're able to show me that you got paid for this? And that you got paid the money you say you did? Because I want to take your word. But again, with some of the disingenuous things you were saying in this conversation.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  I don't have to prove it to you.

• 1:28:09Caleb Hammer?

  You don't have to. I'm asking if you can.

• 1:28:13Speaker 03

  Well, maybe you could just take my word for it.

• 1:28:15Caleb Hammer?

  No, but you, seeing how you were disingenuous about me, it makes it hard for me to believe, and I need an extra burden level of proof. Crazy for hearing what you said.

• 1:28:25Speaker 03

  You don't believe I'm a, you don't, you don't think, like, freelance writing is a thing?

• 1:28:29Caleb Hammer?

  I know it's a thing, but I also know you.

• 1:28:32Speaker 03

  What? When have I lied to you?

• 1:28:36Caleb Hammer?

  Go on, continue and try to find it. I'm not going back and forth on this.

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  Well, I've got the checks in my backpack.

• 1:28:43Caleb Hammer?

  You said it's in your backpack? Is your backpack here?

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  No, it's at home. But you can ask-

• 1:28:47Caleb Hammer?

  You live in Austin again?

• 1:28:49Speaker 03

  You can ask Ken Carson, or Dan Friedman, or Neil Pollak, or-

• 1:28:53Caleb Hammer?

  Dude, you're doing the name thing! Who's the one? Name one. What's the first one you said? Ken?

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  Ken Carson owns CIA Reads Media?

• 1:29:00Caleb Hammer?

  K-I-N?

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, K-I-N.

• 1:29:03Caleb Hammer?

  K-I-N?

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  K-I-N. Ken Carson. Yeah.

• 1:29:07Caleb Hammer?

  K-I-N, are you saying?

• 1:29:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. Neil Pollak is my former editor.

• 1:29:14Caleb Hammer?

  Is he spelled Carson?

• 1:29:15Speaker 03

  Uh, let me see, let me make sure. Uh, here he is.

• 1:29:20Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  He owns CIA Reads Media.

• 1:29:24Caleb Hammer?

  Call him.

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  I don't have his phone number.

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  He owns it.

• 1:29:29Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so now lots of conversations back and forth with him then, I assume.

• 1:29:33Speaker 03

  With the owner?

• 1:29:34Caleb Hammer?

  No. Well, who pays you?

• 1:29:37Speaker 03

  CIA Reads Media for-

• 1:29:39Caleb Hammer?

  Who's the guy? That you talk to? Who's the guy? That you talk to? Who's the guy?

• 1:29:44Speaker 03

  Neil Pollak is my former editor, Dan Friedman is my new editor.

• 1:29:47Caleb Hammer?

  Dan Friedman?

• 1:29:48Speaker 03

  Yes. He's the former editor of Forward Magazine, executive editor.

• 1:29:54Caleb Hammer?

  And he is now?

• 1:29:56Speaker 03

  The editor of Book and Film Globe. I feel like I'm, like, in a congressional hearing. And it's just Friedman's writing.

• 1:30:05Caleb Hammer?

  Hey, believe it or not, I actually care about the income that's coming in so it can keep you alive. But I need to believe that it's there, since it wasn't in the two months that we have.

• 1:30:11Speaker 03

  I don't know where the, I don't, I don't know where the, uh-

• 1:30:14Caleb Hammer?

  Hey, I see him as an author. I don't see him listed as anything else. Uh, but maybe he is? Okay, yep, he's the former executive author. Okay, here we go. Very, very good, very good. Um-

• 1:30:25Speaker 03

  Glad it meets your approval.

• 1:30:27Caleb Hammer?

  Well, I just know he exists without a headshot on a website. Call him.

• 1:30:32Speaker 03

  Call who?

• 1:30:32Caleb Hammer?

  Dan.

• 1:30:34Speaker 03

  Dan right now?

• 1:30:35Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:38Speaker 03

  Um, Facebook Messenger.

• 1:30:40Caleb Hammer?

  Sure.

• 1:30:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's see.

• 1:30:42Caleb Hammer?

  Does he know you by the name of Brent?

• 1:30:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:45Caleb Hammer?

  Is that your real name?

• 1:30:46Speaker 03

  Brent? Yeah. Brent. Brent Davy.

• 1:30:50Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:30:52Caleb Hammer?

  It's never really new.

• 1:30:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, uh...

• 1:30:55Caleb Hammer?

  I don't know if it's an online thing, or... May I?

• 1:31:00Speaker 03

  Well, he's not answering. I didn't tell him I was coming on today. But Neil might know.

• 1:31:05Caleb Hammer?

  Where do you communicate?

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't, I don't feel appropriate calling Neil right now. Um, Neil just got a new job as the, um...

• 1:31:15Caleb Hammer?

  And Dan, where do you communicate with Dan?

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Facebook.

• 1:31:17Caleb Hammer?

  Can I see?

• 1:31:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:31:22Speaker 03

  Here is...

• 1:31:23Caleb Hammer?

  Anything that involves payment? By chance?

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  Well, he's brand new. I didn't send him an invoice. I sent Neil an invoice.

• 1:31:33Speaker 03

  Here's Dan Friedman. Well, I guess you're recording this, so you...

• 1:31:37Caleb Hammer?

  Well, uh, this doesn't have to be on camera.

• 1:31:41Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:31:42Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 1:31:45Speaker 03

  It's just unprofessional.

• 1:31:49Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:31:59Speaker 03

  I'm sending pitches.

• 1:32:02Speaker 03

  I got one of them too. He's my new editor. I don't have a great relationship with him, because I don't barely know him, but Neil is my former editor at the blog.

• 1:32:12Caleb Hammer?

  Well, this goes back to...

• 1:32:17Caleb Hammer?

  The beginning of July, and he has sent one thing saying "amazing" to your, like, first message.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  Here, let me see.

• 1:32:25Caleb Hammer?

  He hasn't responded since then.

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  No, he greenlit, uh, that review.

• 1:32:30Caleb Hammer?

  Are you talking about the one thumbs up? That he reacted to one message in July?

• 1:32:36Speaker 03

  Oh, we went over to email. We went over to email.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  I sent him a pitch for a story about rehab and it's a music-integrated rehab. Oh, I shouldn't talk too much about that. I'm giving away too many details. But that might be going in Rock and Roll Globe.

• 1:32:59Caleb Hammer?

  That's something that exists somewhere that a couple of people probably read. I don't know.

• 1:33:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's known in the critics' community.

• 1:33:10Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, good. So the critics see it, but no humans.

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  I don't know what our readership numbers are like. I'm not the analytics guy.

• 1:33:20Speaker 03

  Sorry. I don't have everything.

• 1:33:23Caleb Hammer?

  But Brent, you give me everything in my heart. The thing is, buddy, this is the point where I make a budget. In here, I saw some spending. We saw the Amazon. It was a little bull. I can't trust your pay because I didn't see pay come in. How many hours you put into Uber Eats a month? Give me a number that I won't be able to trust.

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  Um, 30. I kind of cut back on it a little bit because the demand during the middle of the day completely dried up.

• 1:33:50Caleb Hammer?

  Also, may I bring up the note? This just hit my head. I'm sure this has already popped in other people's heads. But usually with people I work with, we aren't communicating on Facebook Messenger as the source. So I don't really know how to make a budget here, and it's unfortunate because this honestly wasn't very productive. I'm glad to see where you're at, and I'm very glad. I'm very glad to see that you got sober. That is a W if there is a W, okay? So seriously, well done on that, sir.

• 1:34:15Speaker 03

  There's always that, buddy.

• 1:34:15Caleb Hammer?

  No, that's huge. That's huge.

• 1:34:16Speaker 03

  I appreciate it, man. It's important to me. I really appreciate it.

• 1:34:19Caleb Hammer?

  I didn't know you were struggling with that, and if I did, I forgot, but I don't think, I don't think we knew that. Um, but either way, um, yeah. Not productive financial. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do with you financially. You don't seem to want to change financially, and you don't take any career things seriously in your resume. You didn't take seriously, and you just don't take a lot of your life seriously, and that concerns me. So I want this. I want this. I just want to. I don't want pushback. I'm wrapping this up. I just want to let you know from just a human to another human. I am concerned. I'm concerned. I hope you take it seriously. I want you to take the res- we'll pay for someone to sit down with you, a resume expert,

• 1:35:00Caleb Hammer?

  and help you with that. But I am concerned that you'll never be able to pay bills and I don't know if, if, if you're, if your press or ulcer turns into, spawns off into two, or if like, who knows? You've had health problems, it sounds like. And you're only, believe it or not, young 40s. I'm concerned with where life looks like in your 60s. And that deeply concerns me. And I want to prepare you, but unfortunately, I don't think we're in that place. So I just want to-

• 1:35:26Speaker 03

  It's not a budgeting thing. I think the question that I kinda wanted to ask you was more of like, and I don't know if you've ever gotten this before, but bankruptcy, when is that?

• 1:35:35Caleb Hammer?

  I have gotten there before.

• 1:35:36Speaker 03

  What do you think?

• 1:35:37Caleb Hammer?

  I, bankruptcy's a fine tool. I mean, it's expensive to go through. It's a few thousand bucks. It's not completely stress-free. In your situation, it might be okay. I'm not horribly terrified of it, though. You're in mostly collections anyway. I don't see people like coming after you.

• 1:35:49Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:35:50Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, so it'll stay on your record as long as those are, if not more. So I don't think you necessarily need to. However, just like any debt consolidation or credit card transfer, a personal loan or bankruptcy, if you do not change your behavior first, there's no point in doing it because you will end up in the same exact situation again.

• 1:36:04Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:36:05Caleb Hammer?

  And there is nothing showing behavior change. So I would say you shouldn't now. Actually, nope. Never mind. I take that back. There was less bull [BLEEP] cutting, by far. There also just wasn't much money to do it. And you didn't have the ability to put it on a credit card.

• 1:36:18Speaker 03

  I think the issue is more the earning, uh-

• 1:36:21Caleb Hammer?

  That's what I was trying to get to the bottoms.

• 1:36:22Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:36:23Caleb Hammer?

  And that's why we need to take your career-

• 1:36:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:25Caleb Hammer?

  Seriously, a real job.

• 1:36:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:28Caleb Hammer?

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• 1:36:44Caleb Hammer?

  Can we do it? We can do it.

• 1:36:46Speaker 04

  You sent an email, Tuesday, August 27th, 2024. Oh my gosh, that's the day you got hired. And you addressed me, Lindsay. Uh huh. And no one knew. I didn't post online, I wasn't like interviewing at Hammer Media, like literally three people knew. Matt, are you hearing this? Do you recall writing that email?

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