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0:57 Speaker 03 Welcome back, Piggos. It's part three of our Gandhi epic. I'm with the ratio goals.
1:02 Speaker 04 Bloody hell, oh, fucking hell, it came out the hand funny.
1:05 Speaker 03 He's gone for it. He's gone for it. He's done a big old Indian Googling.
1:08 Speaker 04 Bloody bastard.
1:09 Speaker 03 Part three, you think we're safe in part three?
1:11 Speaker 04 Yeah, buried.
1:12 Speaker 03 Buried, buried deep.
1:14 Speaker 04 Who's got part one and part two to go, that fucking hell, what's that?
1:17 Speaker 03 Other hand, bloody bastard, no, turn that off, turn that off, not for me. We are in India though, we're back in India. Gandhi's been in South Africa in the 1890s and he's a product of that time and place.
1:28 Speaker 04 It's the 90s.
1:29 Speaker 03 It's the 90s.
1:30 Speaker 04 It's a different time.
1:31 Speaker 03 Different time.
1:31 Speaker 04 There was no phones.
1:32 Speaker 03 You know, Blairite optimism.
1:34 Speaker 04 Social media.
1:34 Speaker 03 The optimism of the 90s, the end of history, the 1890s, you know? So Gandhi returns to India, having spent 21 years in South Africa, having supported the British in the Boer War.
1:48 Speaker 04 And you understandy Gandhi at this point.
1:49 Speaker 03 I understandy Gandhi. Gandhi very handy.
1:52 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:53 Speaker 03 Gandhi very randy.
1:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:54 Speaker 03 Gandhi not on mandy. Now, he's involved in the Boer War, the Zulu uprisings and a miners' strike, and he has developed his Satyagata half philosophy. Truth force.
2:07 Speaker 04 Right, that sounds like a Russell Brand livestream.
2:09 Speaker 03 Well, this is the long road to Russell Brand.
2:11 Speaker 04 It is, he's a bit of a Gandhi. Sexually pervy guy in a fucking bath towel.
2:16 Speaker 03 Russell Brand could have done it with a lot more semen retention.
2:19 Speaker 04 Yes, that's true.
2:20 Speaker 03 But anyway, back to fucking Russell Bindy.
2:25 Speaker 03 Gandhi returns to India in 1915 and he is now engaged in resistance against the British.
2:33 Speaker 04 Right, what's happened here?
2:34 Speaker 03 Anakin has become Darth Vader.
2:36 Speaker 04 He's been corrupted.
2:37 Speaker 03 He has. He begins, when he joins the Indian National Congress, which is the leading political party for Indian independence, because-
2:45 Speaker 04 But this is during the war, this is Ireland trying to get into, everyone's now, now that we're busy, it's fucking-
2:51 Speaker 03 Can you just wait till we're finished?
2:53 Speaker 04 Guys-
2:53 Speaker 03 All of you, all of you, this is not the time.
2:55 Speaker 04 At our weakest, they try to take advantage of us.
2:57 Speaker 03 I know, it's terrible, really. It's terrible. As I said, they're the empire in Star Wars and we're-
3:02 Speaker 04 The brave rebels.
3:03 Speaker 03 The British Empire are the brave rebels. The Death Star of the Irish independence movement.
3:10 Speaker 03 The brave, the brave soldiers who shot, shot at the Easter Rising is the, they're the Ewoks and the X-Wings. I love Star Wars, what a great franchise.
3:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's brilliant.
3:20 Speaker 03 World War One, Gandhi attempts, again, he's still, he's still on our side at this point. Gandhi attempts to recruit non-competents to join the British forces during World War One. He wants to show the British Empire that young Indians can show their capability to self-govern.
3:36 Speaker 04 It's a, it's an error to do that.
3:38 Speaker 03 You're wrong, Gandhi. It's not how colonialism works. Okay, we will use you as your expedient.
3:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:44 Speaker 03 So, because from the British perspective, if they're like, well, it's like brilliant, they're helping us.
3:48 Speaker 04 Handy Gandhi, until you're not Handy Gandhi.
3:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly.
3:50 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:51 Speaker 03 So, his friends are not impressed with this though. With one writing, "I was struck to the heart this morning with sorrow to see that you and other Indian friends had offered to serve the English government in this evil war in any way they might demand of you. Surely, you who would not take up arms, even in the cause of your own oppressed people, cannot be willing to shed blood in this wicked cause." And again, it's his contradiction. He's non-violent and yet he's getting involved.
4:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
4:14 Speaker 03 But he's doing ambulance shit, so he's-
4:16 Speaker 04 He's sort of like a war cuck.
4:18 Speaker 03 Go on.
4:19 Speaker 04 Isn't he? He's not getting involved, but he's, he's sort of-
4:21 Speaker 03 He's there.
4:22 Speaker 04 He's there, he's watching.
4:23 Speaker 03 I just wanted to watch you.
4:25 Speaker 04 No, no, no, I wouldn't be involved.
4:26 Speaker 03 No, no, no, please, please, please.
4:27 Speaker 04 You go ahead though.
4:28 Speaker 03 So he's standing on the sidelines, watching the people fight.
4:32 Speaker 04 Yeah.
4:32 Speaker 03 And, yes, I suppose he's, he's, is he gaining some sort of spiritual power?
4:40 Speaker 04 Well, it's all very consistent.
4:42 Speaker 03 I guess the cuck's semen retention, isn't it?
4:43 Speaker 04 It's all consistent.
4:45 Speaker 03 Or the cuck masturbates.
4:47 Speaker 04 Not always. The self-controlled cuck, sometimes there's a level.
4:53 Speaker 03 Well, I suppose, actually, as we'll get to the next episode, Gandhi would test himself.
4:58 Speaker 03 By watching. What did you just flick across the screen there, Charlie?
5:01 Speaker 05 I was just thinking if he ever said, did he say, I'm nonviolent?
5:03 Speaker 04 Because you took that away so quickly and it's rare for you to do that. So can you bring that back up, please?
5:06 Speaker 03 Makes me think it's something absolutely abhorrent.
5:09 Speaker 05 It's not, actually.
5:09 Speaker 04 Oh, that's why you probably took away so quickly. No, this is a good search. I need to get that away immediately.
5:14 Speaker 05 Well, is it nonviolent or violent? Nah.
5:18 Speaker 03 Sorry.
5:20 Speaker 03 So there you go.
5:20 Speaker 05 I'm nonviolent. Or did he actually mean, I'm violent? Nah.
5:24 Speaker 04 Well, I imagine he could have said it like that. He could have gone like this. I'm super violent on opposite day.
5:29 Speaker 05 That's what I mean.
5:30 Speaker 03 Right.
5:30 Speaker 04 Well, maybe, yeah, I guess maybe if Gandhi saw it permanently being opposite day.
5:35 Speaker 03 Oh, well, it's a war. Brilliant. I'm really violent. Nah.
5:39 Speaker 05 And we've translated it as nonviolent.
5:41 Speaker 03 Yes. Well, it's easier to, yeah.
5:43 Speaker 04 It's the same, it's the same thing.
5:44 Speaker 03 It's how English works, isn't it?
5:45 Speaker 05 Nah.
5:46 Speaker 03 That's how Borat speaks.
5:47 Speaker 04 Well, they still achieve the same end. It's just a different mode of communication.
5:52 Speaker 03 Go on.
5:52 Speaker 05 Mahatma Borandi?
5:53 Speaker 03 Mahatma Boratandi. My wife?
5:57 Speaker 04 I hate my wife.
5:58 Speaker 03 I hate my wife.
5:59 Speaker 04 I do not fuck my wife.
6:00 Speaker 03 Do not fuck my wife?
6:03 Speaker 03 Well, we'll get into Mahatma and the Jews next episode, but yeah, no, it's not, he's nonviolent, not violent. Nah.
6:10 Speaker 04 Well, you could do that, yeah.
6:12 Speaker 03 I could do that.
6:12 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'll fight the war. Nah.
6:14 Speaker 03 He's not, he's not a laugh, though.
6:15 Speaker 04 No, he's not.
6:15 Speaker 03 Sorry, he's a laugh. Nah.
6:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm gonna fucking, I'm gonna go over wank later. Nah. It's a lot of that, really, isn't it? Anything that someone normally would do, he does it and then goes nah.
6:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's not, he's not, he's not bantering about it.
6:28 Speaker 04 No, he was, well, there's him, it does the video.
6:32 Speaker 05 But he's wanking in the mirror, saying, you will never get this, because he's like, he's not allowed to come.
6:35 Speaker 04 Right, right.
6:36 Speaker 03 You'll never get this.
6:36 Speaker 04 Up to himself.
6:37 Speaker 05 Yeah. Do you remember that?
6:39 Speaker 03 What do you mean?
6:39 Speaker 04 You'll never get this. You're, yeah.
6:41 Speaker 03 What do you mean, you remember this?
6:43 Speaker 05 From the film. Do you not remember when Borat's like?
6:45 Speaker 04 You'll never get this. You'll never get this.
6:47 Speaker 05 Preventing from somebody from shagging their sister or something?
6:49 Speaker 03 Oh, sorry, right.
6:50 Speaker 05 And he's wanking.
6:51 Speaker 03 I thought, because you're such a sexual freak, I thought you masturbate in the mirror by going, you're never gonna get this.
6:57 Speaker 04 You do masturbate in the mirror, though, Charlie.
6:58 Speaker 05 No, I don't. I have done, I have done to see what it looks like and it looks horrible.
7:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:03 Speaker 05 And now I do it on the bed.
7:04 Speaker 03 But I imagine you talk to yourself going, you're never gonna get, you're not worth this. You're never gonna get this. You're not deserved this.
7:09 Speaker 05 You're disgusting.
7:10 Speaker 03 Yeah. You're mugging yourself. You're wank-mogging yourself. Am I using that right?
7:14 Speaker 05 I'm having a conversation.
7:15 Speaker 03 Sorry?
7:16 Speaker 05 I'm having a conversation.
7:17 Speaker 03 Sorry, it's a dialogue. Of course, it's a dialogue.
7:19 Speaker 04 You believe every, every wank is a dialogue. It's not a monologue.
7:22 Speaker 05 You get to know yourself and you, you grow. With every single wank, you grow.
7:27 Speaker 03 So, uh, that's Gandhi's philosophy. With every wank, you grow. He believes, Gandhi believes that Indians could not choose to refuse service to the motherland, the empire. They had to contribute to the defence of the empire to legitimise their plight to then leave its rule. Kind of makes sense.
7:44 Speaker 04 Smart.
7:45 Speaker 03 But he's actively avoiding discussions of home rule with political parties and he's, all his focus is on the war effort. However, Gandhi concedes that he fails to recruit a single combatant. So again, uh, when it's stuff like being a lawyer or actually trying to, you know, he is quite, he's a bit shit.
8:03 Speaker 04 Yeah.
8:04 Speaker 03 Like it's that thing we said in last episode. He opens his mouth and it's like, are you actually just a bit thick?
8:09 Speaker 04 He's a silent guy.
8:09 Speaker 03 He's a silent guy, a strong silent type.
8:11 Speaker 04 Yep.
8:12 Speaker 03 Or, or rather a weak, wankless type.
8:14 Speaker 04 He's kind of silent and annoying, which is a kind of rare combination.
8:18 Speaker 03 Very rare.
8:18 Speaker 04 It's loud and annoying, right?
8:19 Speaker 03 Punchable face.
8:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
8:21 Speaker 03 A silent, annoying man.
8:23 Speaker 04 That's a rare, unique character.
8:25 Speaker 03 They are rare, but sometimes you see people on the street and you go, fuck, I, I don't know why, but I fucking hate you. I fucking hate you. I'd, I'd cross the street to punch you.
8:33 Speaker 04 Yeah. Don't stare at me like that.
8:35 Speaker 03 Sorry. Now I think like I wouldn't piss you. Yeah, it's Beethoven's brother. I wouldn't, I wouldn't piss on you if you're on fire. I'd.
8:42 Speaker 04 That's Gandhi after saying he's gonna join the war effort.
8:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:45 Speaker 04 That's when he's gonna use violence in a war.
8:47 Speaker 03 Nah. That's Gandhi after, it was like, um, ask me where I was when my dad died. It's like a railing a 15 year old.
8:54 Speaker 04 So guilty, mate.
8:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:55 Speaker 04 Oh, I feel so ashamed about how much fucking pussy I was getting.
8:58 Speaker 03 Fucking, I'm feel so guilty, nah.
9:02 Speaker 03 So, uh, he tries, he tries to recruit for World War One and then we get to these two Satyagraha, whatever. Champaran and Ahmedabad. Now, is Champaran the name of that filthy novel my wife reads?
9:15 Speaker 04 What's that?
9:16 Speaker 03 That filthy fucking sex book that, that's got like a.
9:20 Speaker 04 Champaran?
9:20 Speaker 03 Girls, what's the sex book called that all the women read with the fairies and all the bollocks?
9:24 Speaker 04 Court of Thorn and Roses.
9:25 Speaker 03 There's that one. There's another one. There's other, I think, well, there's another big Indian, big Indian book that actually might not have anything to do with sex. Women are actually very similar to Gandhi.
9:34 Speaker 04 Go on.
9:35 Speaker 03 In that they read horny fiction, but then you try it on, they go, what are you doing? I'm reading. And you go, you're not reading. Just masturbating.
9:44 Speaker 04 You're asking for it.
9:44 Speaker 03 You're masturbating, reading that in public on the tube, but I don't know you. You're asking for it.
9:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, they read horny books. Anyway, one of them might be called Champeran. No, I'm thinking of Santharam. Maybe it's not horny. I don't know. Women's fiction just remains a mystery to me. Fiction remains a mystery. Get me into the military history section of Waterstones. It's not Mark Ramprakash, Charlie. I know who that is.
10:07 Speaker 03 Champeran Satgillara, fuck it, whatever. Gandhi supports farmers who had started an uprising after they were being forced to grow indigo without payment.
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13:07 Speaker 03 Now, dye was being made artificially in Germany and therefore was obsolete for farmers to grow. However, during the war, German dye production falls through the floor, so the Britons then make, they force the Indians to grow it. So Gandhi goes to meet the farmers. They, that angers the colonial authorities who immediately demand that he gets deported. And then Gandhi defies the order, speaks to over 8,000 people, and he concludes-
13:34 Speaker 04 Very quietly.
13:35 Speaker 03 Very quietly, though.
13:36 Speaker 04 Whisper on the mound.
13:37 Speaker 03 He concludes the farmers are ignorant of their own economic worth and sets up organisations to improve conditions. And then they start this new committee. And anyway, there's a Champeran agrarian bill is introduced thanks to the protest.
13:49 Speaker 04 Christ.
13:50 Speaker 03 So again, I mean, it's, it's pretty dry stuff. This is fibrous.
13:54 Speaker 04 Come on.
13:54 Speaker 03 Okay, we've started part three with a bit of green.
13:56 Speaker 04 Oh, you're at the fibre bit yet?
13:58 Speaker 03 Hey?
13:58 Speaker 04 We're not at the fibre bit yet.
13:59 Speaker 03 No, no, calm down, we're not at that bit. Look- The problem with Gandhi is that what he's known for, right, what most people know him for, is actually very, very boring and annoying. He's a little annoying wanker.
14:10 Speaker 04 But you get past the surface and he's an absolute freak.
14:13 Speaker 03 He's a paedophile.
14:15 Speaker 04 Which is not boring.
14:16 Speaker 03 No, far from it.
14:17 Speaker 04 It's the opposite of boring.
14:18 Speaker 03 But we have to deal with what he actually did, why people know, why he's on the fucking banknote, is because he was a snotty little wank.
14:26 Speaker 04 Well, he wasn't a snotty little.
14:27 Speaker 03 He was.
14:29 Speaker 04 Wank resister.
14:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. He wasn't, he was a wanker, he wasn't even wanking. He was annoying. He was a prick. Gandhi is a sort of professional prick, but we have to deal with him being a prickish.
14:41 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:42 Speaker 03 In order to get to the good, the stuff where he's, you know.
14:45 Speaker 04 You've got to dig through.
14:46 Speaker 03 We've got to dig through, right? So in Ahmedabad in 1918, there was a mill strike.
14:52 Speaker 04 Fuck yeah.
14:52 Speaker 03 Fuck yeah, mill strike. Ladies. The workers were forced to work under bad conditions. There'd been a plague and then in 1917, and they got a plague bonus. 75% was added on to their wages to persuade them to stay and work through the plague.
15:09 Speaker 04 Yeah, just work it through it.
15:11 Speaker 03 Work through it. When the plague subsides, the mill.
15:13 Speaker 04 So treating the plague like man flu.
15:14 Speaker 03 Yes. Or imagine Covid, where he's like, we're just going to pay you more to keep working. Anyway, the mill owners tried to remove the bonus after the plague, but then the workers tried to fight back. Blah, blah, blah. Gandhi protests and he demands 35% pay increase, only an eight hour workday rather than a 15 one. That's work nonsense. Anyway, the mill owners don't respond. So Gandhi calls for a non-violent strike. 100,000 labourers picket the mill. The British administration gives in and offers the workers a pay rise. And so, again, Gandhi is showing that not listening pays dividends. For the Brits, this is going out of control. If you give the kids an inch, they'll take a mile.
15:58 Speaker 03 Discipline. Where's the discipline gone in the house? So we get to the Rolus Act of March 1919. This is discipline.
16:09 Speaker 03 This authorises the imprisonment of anyone suspected of terrorism in India for two years without trial.
16:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
16:14 Speaker 03 Okay, straight to bed.
16:15 Speaker 04 And if, I think it's now suspicious if you're doing semen retention. If I was the British Empire, I'd be like, anyone who else is joining in this, this quiet protest should be sectioned under the Terrorism Act.
16:25 Speaker 03 Yes.
16:26 Speaker 04 Because that's, you cannot be, that's gearing up for war.
16:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, why are you holding on to it?
16:31 Speaker 04 Yeah, so you'd better get that out right now.
16:33 Speaker 03 Let me have some.
16:35 Speaker 04 At gunpoint, I'll be making them all drain it out.
16:38 Speaker 03 Drain it out.
16:38 Speaker 04 So the Indians at their weakest, because then the horniness is out.
16:41 Speaker 03 But that's a bit like the IRA handing in all their weapons in the 90s, isn't it? Having like a gun amnesty.
16:47 Speaker 04 It's like, get.
16:48 Speaker 03 Everyone just drain.
16:49 Speaker 04 Yeah, drain it out.
16:50 Speaker 03 Drain, drain, drain, milk yourself now.
16:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, they're too powerful otherwise.
16:53 Speaker 03 I mean, Enoch Powell called it the rivers of blood, really it's the rivers of cum.
16:57 Speaker 04 Yeah.
16:57 Speaker 03 It's draining out. But then the life force of India drains.
17:01 Speaker 04 With much cum, thanks to the river Tiber.
17:05 Speaker 03 But then, what have you, what have you Googled, Charlie?
17:08 Speaker 05 If all eight billion people on earth.
17:10 Speaker 03 Moaned at the same time.
17:12 Speaker 05 The sound would be, would not be a singular, definite explosion, but it would be exceptionally loud, likely comparable to a heavy thunderstorm or a very noisy football stadium. It'd be like the new camp, but everyone's coming.
17:22 Speaker 03 Right.
17:23 Speaker 04 I wonder if a quiet moan, if everyone did it, would it have any sort of effect? If it was just like, ah.
17:29 Speaker 03 Eight, eight billion people going, ah.
17:31 Speaker 04 Ah.
17:32 Speaker 03 But then you can only hear what's around you, can't you?
17:34 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, we'd probably hear, ah.
17:37 Speaker 05 You'd hear it up north.
17:39 Speaker 04 What do you mean?
17:40 Speaker 03 What do you mean, would you hear what?
17:43 Speaker 05 You'd hear it up north.
17:44 Speaker 03 Right.
17:45 Speaker 04 You heard?
17:46 Speaker 03 Oh no.
17:49 Speaker 03 Anyway, so the Rola Act, listen, we're about to get to some good stuff.
17:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:53 Speaker 03 Okay.
17:54 Speaker 04 It's chillin'.
17:55 Speaker 03 Look, stay with me, Gandhi's being a prick. In India, he's being snide, he's being, I'm actually, I'm not going to listen to you. I think I know better than you, all that stuff, right. But then with the Rowlatt Act, Gandhi realises that Britons see Indians as a threat. And so he leads nationwide protests against it. And now we get to one of the defining boo-boos of the British Empire. The Amritsar massacre, April 13th, 1919. Let's place this. This is a week before Hitler's 30th birthday.
18:34 Speaker 04 Oh, that's, he probably was feeling quite like weird before, a week before his 30th.
18:39 Speaker 03 Well, he's like, he's, he's, he's an adult, you know, he's.
18:41 Speaker 04 God, am I ready to start adulting now?
18:43 Speaker 03 Should I, you know, I'm writing books in prison, is this what I want to be doing?
18:45 Speaker 04 Yeah, exactly, like, all my kids, all my friends are having kids, getting married. What am I doing?
18:51 Speaker 03 You know, I can't even fucking, I can't even.
18:54 Speaker 04 So you, you just turned, so Hitler's Charlie's age.
18:57 Speaker 03 Yes, Hitler is Charlie's age.
18:59 Speaker 04 And Charlie, you feel a big turn since 30, the way that people maybe perceive you?
19:03 Speaker 05 Maybe, yeah, I've got, I've, I've decided I want to make a change. I want to, I want to.
19:08 Speaker 04 You don't seem to be making much of a change.
19:09 Speaker 03 What change have you decided to make?
19:10 Speaker 04 Because you were on a massive bender all weekend.
19:12 Speaker 05 Yeah, I mean, I want to do more of that and.
19:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, okay.
19:16 Speaker 04 So putting the, filling the gas, actually.
19:18 Speaker 05 I'm having a kind of a 30 man crisis. Is that normal?
19:22 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think so. I mean, Hitler, it depends if you think it was a crisis or not, or a moment of clarity.
19:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:32 Speaker 04 A profound moment of clarity.
19:33 Speaker 03 Hitler, Hitler just took some.
19:35 Speaker 04 He shut out the noise and saw what was really going on.
19:38 Speaker 03 He cut through the crap and he just started, he went, you know what, I'm going to change things around here. It's dangerous, it's dangerous when they, when they have moments of clarity and you hit 30.
19:47 Speaker 04 Well, he's, he's a creative artistic guy like you.
19:49 Speaker 03 He was and he also had a failed artistic career, yeah, of course.
19:53 Speaker 04 So you're, you're, you've got an album on Spotify, how many monthly listens do you have?
19:56 Speaker 05 Four.
19:57 Speaker 03 You've got an album on Spotify?
19:58 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's called Sponsored Walk.
19:59 Speaker 03 Right. Is it poetry, is it rapping?
20:02 Speaker 04 No, it's music, it's proper.
20:03 Speaker 05 It's proper music, yeah.
20:04 Speaker 03 When did that go up there?
20:05 Speaker 05 That went up about three years ago.
20:06 Speaker 03 Wow.
20:07 Speaker 05 There's, there's a Spanish song, there's a.
20:09 Speaker 03 So about the same time as you stopped throwing shit in the toilet from the shower, you released an album on Spotify?
20:12 Speaker 05 Yeah, I need to channel stuff differently.
20:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, that makes a lot of sense.
20:18 Speaker 05 Please listen.
20:18 Speaker 04 You got express.
20:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:20 Speaker 04 Do you want people to listen?
20:21 Speaker 05 I'd love that, yeah.
20:21 Speaker 04 Well, link it.
20:22 Speaker 03 How many, how many tracks are there?
20:23 Speaker 05 Ten.
20:24 Speaker 03 Ten tracks?
20:25 Speaker 05 One of them's called, um, one of them's based on my experience at Pure Gym St Paul's.
20:29 Speaker 04 That's the best one, I think. Charlie, I'm Charlie from the site.
20:31 Speaker 05 Charlie from the site.
20:32 Speaker 04 Do you want to give some lyrics?
20:33 Speaker 05 How you doing? Are you all right? My name is Charlie and I will not bite. Um, how you doing? Are you all right? It's Charlie from the site, site, site. So what's going on upstairs? How are the cogs? Are they spinning like nobody's business? Or are they feeling a little slow? A bit rusty? Or maybe they're nice and calm, just right. See, the kids, far as I can tell, is to do things that make you feel like you're helping yourself. A general sense of progress. Of all forms of caution, caution in love is perhaps the most fatal to true happiness. So love yourself and love your companions.
21:02 Speaker 04 So this is where Hitler's sort of at, you know, he's transitioning from this failed career doing that. And now he's, he's making a, a real turn into the politics.
21:11 Speaker 03 He's writing a book. It's the same thing, isn't it? Hitler writes a book.
21:14 Speaker 05 A sponsored walk.
21:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:15 Speaker 05 Mein Kampf.
21:15 Speaker 03 Mein Kampf, sponsored walk. Anyway, look, the Amritsar massacre is in 1919. So to place this, uh, it's week of Hitler's 30th, but we've dealt with that. It is, uh, it's after the Treaty of Versailles.
21:33 Speaker 04 Yes, that's only just happened.
21:35 Speaker 03 And this is before I completed Pokemon on Game Boy at Versailles Palace when I was a, uh, eight year old.
21:44 Speaker 04 Really?
21:45 Speaker 03 Yeah. School trip, took my Game Boy, nailed it.
21:49 Speaker 04 Did you finish it in, while you were in the palace?
21:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:51 Speaker 04 So you were like, this French shit is boring as hell.
21:54 Speaker 03 Yeah. I was like, fuck this. I'll just complete Pokemon Game Boy. And I was fat. I was, I was in France and I obviously hated France. So I was like, fuck this. I got a Game Boy, Pokemon. You know, it's like visceral memories of just having the best time ever. On the Eurostar, it's like, was I eight? Maybe I was 10, maybe I was 10, something like that. Playing Game Boy, I think it just does not get better.
22:12 Speaker 04 Doesn't get better. Yeah.
22:13 Speaker 03 And then we arrived in France. I was like, I was right. It does not get better. It just gets worse.
22:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:18 Speaker 03 God, the Game Boys. Game Boys were the best.
22:20 Speaker 04 They were. There was an innocence to the game. That, that felt like a kind of golden age of gaming because now it's just too hyper real, you know?
22:27 Speaker 03 It's always now, it's insane.
22:29 Speaker 04 It's too much.
22:29 Speaker 03 You know, you couldn't, if you were playing Game Boy and you had a headset on and you were like screaming the N-word at someone's, you know, there wasn't license to do that, you know? You weren't being sort of insanely racist playing Game Boy by yourself.
22:44 Speaker 03 Anyway, so the Amritsar massacre is, uh, look, it's, it's sort of, um, it's Bloody Sunday for the Indians in a way.
22:52 Speaker 04 Yeah, for the, the numbers are quite a bit bigger than the Bloody Sunday.
22:56 Speaker 03 Well, India's a bigger place than Ireland. It's proportionally, it's bigger.
22:58 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:59 Speaker 03 So, look, there's thousands allegedly are gathered, uh, for a Punjabi festival in a public garden in Amritsar.
23:05 Speaker 04 We should count some doubt on those numbers though.
23:07 Speaker 03 Yeah. Punjabi, but no. It's not Punjabi, Charlie, before you ask. No Punjabi. No Punjabi. But yes, Punjabi.
23:13 Speaker 04 It's actually quite serious what happens, Charlie.
23:14 Speaker 03 Yeah. Do you know what this is? No. No, okay. The word massacre may, maybe do some heavy lifting there. Didn't hear that. Didn't, didn't touch his eyes, okay. So, uh, thousands are gathered for a festival in a public garden in Amritsar. They are peacefully protesting the Rowlit Act and the garden is crucially surrounded by high walls and there's one narrow exit which Brigadier General Reginald Dyer.
23:37 Speaker 04 A trustworthy man, he sounds like.
23:38 Speaker 03 A trustworthy man, uh, a good man, a friend of the pod.
23:41 Speaker 04 A responsible man, a good decision maker.
23:44 Speaker 03 Finally, finally an adult's arrived. He arrives with 50 troops, first thing will block the exit and then without warning, he just starts, says, "Open fire" and they all start shooting until they run out of ammunition.
23:53 Speaker 04 He was decisive.
23:54 Speaker 03 He acted robustly and decisive. I mean, you've got to be able to make decisions.
23:58 Speaker 04 You've got to give it to him. That was a decisive decision.
24:01 Speaker 03 Look at, look at him, look at this guy.
24:03 Speaker 04 Look at that moustache.
24:03 Speaker 03 He looks exactly how you think he would. A, a strong jaw, a big tash, um, not a hint of conscience on him.
24:12 Speaker 04 He sleeps like a baby. He falls asleep immediately.
24:17 Speaker 03 As soon as the Amritsar, on the day of the Amritsar massacre. Oh, anyway, not that.
24:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
24:23 Speaker 03 Yeah. Uh, he, yeah, so they, they, they just fire all the ammunition. To escape the bullets, people jumped into a well where they drowned or get crushed.
24:33 Speaker 04 Well, you can't blame him for that.
24:34 Speaker 03 No, that is shit, that's silly. Um, don't do that, that's dangerous.
24:37 Speaker 04 And that's a coincidence. He can't be taking responsibility for the, the well jumpers.
24:41 Speaker 03 No, look, some people were murdered, some people just killed themselves by jumping into a well. Um, now, the Indian estimates say that a thousand people died. Official figures though, says that it was only 379 deaths, so.
24:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, Amritsar, of course, deniers, basically.
24:55 Speaker 03 Amritsar, of course, yeah, exactly. Well, there's, there's two sets of figures, you can choose which ones, uh, make more sense. Uh, to this day, I don't believe the British government has ever apologised. Should we apologise? As representatives of the Amritsar massacre. Are we sorry? Are you sorry? No one I linked to was involved.
25:15 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:15 Speaker 03 So.
25:16 Speaker 04 It's not our responsibility.
25:18 Speaker 03 No.
25:18 Speaker 04 Not our circus, not our monkeys. That's my view on the Amritsar massacre. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
25:26 Speaker 03 Queen Elizabeth II and David Cameron expressed deep regret.
25:29 Speaker 04 That's not an apology.
25:31 Speaker 03 No.
25:32 Speaker 04 They regret how few people they killed?
25:33 Speaker 03 I'm sorry that you took offence
25:37 Speaker 03 to our response.
25:38 Speaker 04 How much do the Indians care about the Amritsar massacre? Because that's one of the big, as you were saying, there was the...
25:45 Speaker 03 They tried to kill the Queen in 2021.
25:48 Speaker 04 Who did?
25:49 Speaker 03 An intruder broke into Windsor Castle in 2021 and citing the massacre as a motive for an attempted assassination of the Queen. So, were they Indian? Or they just...
25:59 Speaker 04 You'd hope so.
25:59 Speaker 03 You'd hope so.
26:00 Speaker 04 Well, when we talked about the Irish having like four members of the Band of Colonial Atrocities, Bloody Sunday, the famine, Cromwell. India sort of have that, and this is one of the pillars.
26:11 Speaker 03 Yes.
26:11 Speaker 04 There was the Jaipur uprising when that was... There's the one that happened in 1857. Jaipur! Jaipur went out.
26:20 Speaker 03 Yep.
26:21 Speaker 04 For all the people that died.
26:22 Speaker 03 Yep.
26:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, there's a couple, but we don't get told about them, so I don't really know.
26:27 Speaker 03 The five pillars of empire.
26:28 Speaker 04 The Amritsar massacre definitely does not come up ever in any sort of...
26:32 Speaker 03 No.
26:32 Speaker 04 No one brings it up.
26:35 Speaker 03 It's under here. Under the rug. Keep that under there. General Reginald Dyer becomes known as the Butcher of Amritsar and he enforces the...
26:44 Speaker 04 Which is very rude because butchers are untouchables, right?
26:48 Speaker 03 Yes, it's, you know, the caste system, it's a deep insult to call him a butcher. It's like saying he's a poo handler.
26:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:54 Speaker 03 The sewage worker of Amritsar. He enforces the crawling order, which means he makes Indian men crawl
27:01 Speaker 04 Tuck mud basically.
27:01 Speaker 03 like snakes through a narrow street where a female British missionary had been assaulted. He shows no remorse, stating he intended to produce a, quote, "moral effect". He was eventually censured...
27:13 Speaker 04 That moustache is just no remorse, isn't it?
27:14 Speaker 03 No, it's no remorse, yeah. I mean, you're getting close to a no remorse moustache.
27:18 Speaker 04 No remorse. Yeah, doing this podcast, no remorse.
27:20 Speaker 03 No remorse, no. Never back down, never surrender. I'd do it again. I'd just stop because I ran out of bullets. Fuck off.
27:28 Speaker 03 He was eventually censured by a committee and he was hailed as a hero by the House of Lords.
27:32 Speaker 04 Right, well.
27:33 Speaker 03 And they raised a £26,000 defence fund for him.
27:36 Speaker 04 Right, well, that's sort of.
27:37 Speaker 03 Take me back to an age where you could.
27:39 Speaker 04 The Epstein Defence Fund.
27:40 Speaker 03 You could gun down unarmed civilians and then the British government would start to go fund me for your legal defence.
27:45 Speaker 04 He's a hero.
27:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's a, that's an empire man, that is. Gandhi, however, I mean, you can imagine what he thinks about this. Diarism is not the real seat of the disease, only the symptom. The real disease is the belief that the British can do no wrong. So.
28:02 Speaker 04 So he's already losing his head at this point.
28:04 Speaker 03 He's losing his marbles at this point. Gandhi's gone cuckoo.
28:08 Speaker 03 Now, when's the thing that, when's the thing that like a bomb in a, they set fire to people, don't they?
28:14 Speaker 04 That's Vietnam, right?
28:15 Speaker 03 No, no, no. This is a day after the Amritsar massacre, also in the Punjab region. There's the Gurdjand Walla bombings.
28:25 Speaker 03 This is, this is after the arrest of local leaders. There are protests that break out in Gurdjand Walla and they burn a railway station.
28:35 Speaker 03 And then the British send in three RAF planes and drop bombs and fire machine guns into the town. They drop a bomb on a school. And the British Secretary of State for India defended the use of planes, saying it was a military necessity to disperse bombs.
28:51 Speaker 04 But would you not agree that Britain has a right to defend itself?
28:53 Speaker 03 Britain has a right to exist and a right to defend itself.
28:58 Speaker 03 Okay, I don't know why we only say Israel has that right. We all have that right to exist.
29:03 Speaker 04 We have a right to drop a bomb on a school.
29:05 Speaker 03 Yes.
29:05 Speaker 04 That is our right.
29:06 Speaker 03 That's our right.
29:07 Speaker 04 In the constitution.
29:08 Speaker 03 Yeah. Are you anti-British? Are you being anti-British?
29:11 Speaker 04 Oh, so I don't have a right to exist?
29:12 Speaker 03 Oh, well, thank you.
29:14 Speaker 04 I'm sorry that me taking up space offends you.
29:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, fatist.
29:21 Speaker 03 Yeah. Israel's essentially a really, really touchy fat woman.
29:25 Speaker 04 Saying, why should I pay for two?
29:26 Speaker 03 Oh, I'm sorry. Two airplane seats. Really? Oh, so I have to pay for two seats, do I?
29:32 Speaker 04 You're sitting on a five foot two man. He can't breathe.
29:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. Well, why aren't the seats bigger? Why isn't my plane bigger? For me? Anyway, um, yeah, look, it's, the Brits turn up the heat in India after World War One because we've been busy, actually.
29:49 Speaker 04 It's less of a laugh, this bit, I think. This is less of a...
29:51 Speaker 03 No, it's not, not as funny.
29:53 Speaker 04 The empire's getting less of a laugh. The golden days are over. After World War One, it starts getting a bit...
29:57 Speaker 03 Rajkhor has ended.
29:58 Speaker 04 Yeah.
29:59 Speaker 03 Rajkhor, you'd say, is 1857 until...
30:02 Speaker 04 Maybe World War One?
30:03 Speaker 03 1907, 1910. Yeah. The Indians are no longer listening to the men in big shorts telling them off.
30:10 Speaker 04 It's all falling apart.
30:11 Speaker 03 It's fallen, it's gone to shit, okay? So, the non-cooperation movement now begins, we get into Gandhi in the twenties. He blames himself for the violence, it's always got to make it about him.
30:23 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's a bit pious, isn't it?
30:24 Speaker 03 It is a bit pious.
30:25 Speaker 04 Oh, it was my fault. All right, they'll send you to jail then. Let's, let's, yeah.
30:29 Speaker 03 Oh, dad died because I wasn't there. I was fucking, I was fucking getting my underwear...
30:33 Speaker 04 What were you doing during the Amritsar massacre?
30:35 Speaker 03 Oh, I was fucking railing a 15-year-old. Gandhi, a 40 at this point, that's not cool. That's not cool. I'm just pregnant, yeah. Oh, woo!
30:45 Speaker 04 You know what Gandhi was like?
30:49 Speaker 03 So, he blames himself for the violence, because he had called for protests. And he goes, "I have made a Himalayan blunder."
30:55 Speaker 04 Don't suck the Himalayans off.
30:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, leave them out of it. I've also had several Himalayan blunders, actually.
31:00 Speaker 04 Is that your piles? Is that what you called them?
31:02 Speaker 03 No, it's me ordering a phal when I'm, I think I'll handle it. It's, that's when I'm at my most toxic masculine. It's me in a curry house going, "Fuck out of the vindaloo, watch me." And then I just, it's just no...
31:13 Speaker 04 Collapse.
31:14 Speaker 03 Collapse. The next morning, I'm just on the toilet, hugging it. Not worth it.
31:20 Speaker 04 Someone going through your internet search history, wife going through internet search history, sweat.
31:24 Speaker 03 Just, yeah.
31:27 Speaker 03 It's that photo of the guy from Chernobyl.
31:30 Speaker 03 My life is made in that search history.
31:38 Speaker 03 Because I haven't got a skin, you know, if you're going through my search history, I've not got a skin. So he says, I made a Himalayan blunder in calling upon the people to embark upon civil disobedience before they had qualified themselves for it. So he's being quite patronizing to his own people there, I suppose. But the Punjab atrocity has become the primary justification for Gandhi's first massive movement, non-cooperation. He says cooperation with the government is a sin.
32:06 Speaker 04 Terrorist.
32:07 Speaker 03 He's a terrorist.
32:09 Speaker 03 Mahatma Bin Laden.
32:11 Speaker 03 So he, by the way, having joined the Indian National Congress is full of like educated Oxbridge, British people.
32:18 Speaker 04 Right.
32:19 Speaker 03 And he is the one that sort of turns it into a mass movement. He's sort of Corbyn.
32:23 Speaker 04 Okay, yeah.
32:24 Speaker 03 So he convinces the Congress that Swaraj or self-rule is the only path forward. So he then organizes a mass movement that boycotts British goods.
32:35 Speaker 04 This is one of the big parts of his holy rules.
32:39 Speaker 03 It's nine rules for life.
32:40 Speaker 04 Be good, don't steal, love your mother, boycott imported goods from Britain.
32:43 Speaker 03 Don't come, don't, when your dad's dying, don't fucking rail a 15 year old. By the way, do you remember I did that?
32:47 Speaker 04 But I did do that.
32:48 Speaker 03 I was sick. Don't eat, only eat, only eat cheese, whatever else is, anyway. Mass non-violent strikes, only purchase Indian goods.
32:59 Speaker 04 See, look, he's a, he's a National Socialist in a way.
33:02 Speaker 03 I'm listening, I'm listening.
33:04 Speaker 04 There's a level of the National.
33:05 Speaker 03 They've got the same symbol, do they not?
33:07 Speaker 04 Yes.
33:10 Speaker 03 So the practice of self-reliance through production, this starts to get quite costly for the British.
33:18 Speaker 03 English businesses would buy raw cotton cheaply from India, then process it in the UK and then sell it back to India at an inflated price.
33:25 Speaker 04 Lovely stuff.
33:25 Speaker 03 Terrific business model.
33:26 Speaker 04 Smart.
33:26 Speaker 03 Brilliant. But this stops entirely, which is a shame.
33:31 Speaker 03 Oh, textile boycott, really? Is this where we are?
33:36 Speaker 03 It's all pretty grim, this stuff.
33:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
33:37 Speaker 03 This stuff is very, but this is all, this is, the problem with Gandhi is that what he's known for is very, very, very, very dull. He's just fucking walking and.
33:47 Speaker 04 Yeah, he's Indian Lennon.
33:49 Speaker 03 Now, as you said, the current Indian government, friend of the pod, Narendra Modi, is a Hindu nationalist.
33:56 Speaker 04 Yep. And it's the, this, we're in the age of the strong man, right?
34:00 Speaker 03 Yes, yes.
34:00 Speaker 04 So especially if you're leaving a country as big as India, you can't be, it is, I guess the 2010s, it was like, we should all be like Jacinda Ardern.
34:09 Speaker 03 Yes.
34:09 Speaker 04 And it's all about like, the real leader is, oh no.
34:12 Speaker 03 Oh no, you can have, you actually can have a baby and be a prime minister.
34:16 Speaker 04 Oh no, I can't.
34:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, of a country that's small, yeah.
34:18 Speaker 04 But she quit.
34:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, couldn't even do that.
34:22 Speaker 03 Try being a fucking prime minister of an actual country and have a baby.
34:25 Speaker 04 There's that great Carl Donnelly bit about like, you know, everyone says how great, uh, a job she's doing compared to Boris Johnson, but to be fair, they're very different jobs. Four million of the loveliest people in the world compared to 70 million cunts. They're, they're different jobs.
34:39 Speaker 03 They are different jobs, yeah.
34:41 Speaker 04 Of course you can be nice in New Zealand.
34:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's like, it's the same people with people who have like kids, but they have like three paid nannies, like, God, yeah. I don't know what everyone complains about. Yes, you've got three paid nannies.
34:51 Speaker 04 We've got some of the worst people on earth here.
34:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. We're a nation of cunts.
34:55 Speaker 04 She, Jacinda, she had very much the substitute teacher you could make cry energy.
34:59 Speaker 03 Yes.
35:00 Speaker 04 And I think that's a peacetime, uh, luxury, right?
35:03 Speaker 03 I made a lot of substitute teachers cry. Oh, teaching assistants, teaching assistants, French teaching assistants.
35:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, they have one day and it's like 20 minutes in.
35:10 Speaker 03 There was one French teaching assistant who had, who had cartoon cross eyes. And I just could not resist.
35:17 Speaker 04 What were you, what were you doing?
35:19 Speaker 03 Whenever she turned her back, I'd be like that.
35:21 Speaker 04 And it was killing.
35:22 Speaker 03 Yeah. And then she'd look at me and I'd go, we always used to look over our heads when she was looking at us, like, oh. And there's just a window behind, oh, you're talking to the window. And, um, no, she, she, she hated it.
35:34 Speaker 04 Sounds quite tough.
35:35 Speaker 03 For her?
35:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
35:36 Speaker 03 Well, fucking get out of the kitchen.
35:40 Speaker 03 You can't stand that, eh? You're teaching at a fucking boys' school. Teaching snotty little 15-year-olds French.
35:46 Speaker 04 Call her out down the barrel.
35:49 Speaker 03 I can't remember your name. I can remember your eyes, though, and they were clapped.
35:55 Speaker 03 And I'd do it again if I saw you. I'd look at her, I'd go, "Oh, where are you looking?"
35:58 Speaker 04 If you win a BAFTA, I think you should use your speech to slag off the substitute.
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37:22 Speaker 04 It's not even that he didn't believe in me. Actually, I'm very encouraging, but you did have cross eyes, so go, "Fucked."
37:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, you were fucked.
37:29 Speaker 03 I don't even remember you. I don't know what your name was.
37:31 Speaker 04 Robert, you're crying. I hope you cry again. Thanks to the Academy.
37:35 Speaker 03 No, I've been the audience going, "Cross-eyed, cross-eyed, cross-eyed." While someone was getting a reward for something, I don't know. And then someone would lose their job because they didn't edit it out.
37:46 Speaker 04 But yes, Gandhi, um, I guess if he'd been born in the 2010s, would be non-binary or non-binder-y.
37:55 Speaker 04 I guess.
37:57 Speaker 03 Non-bargery.
37:58 Speaker 04 He was.
38:01 Speaker 04 He was non-onion bargery.
38:08 Speaker 03 Shocking, shocking.
38:17 Speaker 03 Yep. Gender neutral must have taken us out.
38:23 Speaker 03 Awful, shocking. Right, yeah.
38:30 Speaker 04 I think he felt like gender was a performance and that he was, he was sort of fluid. He was going between both. He frequently disguised himself as being a half a woman. And he had something that was known as vulva envy.
38:43 Speaker 03 Christ.
38:44 Speaker 04 Which you don't hear about that often.
38:45 Speaker 03 No.
38:46 Speaker 04 Because penis envy, which all women have.
38:48 Speaker 03 Famously.
38:49 Speaker 04 And the reason why women are so upset and angry all the time is because they're livid. They drew the very short straw of having a clitoris as opposed to a big penis. I mean, is there a shorter straw?
39:01 Speaker 03 Well.
39:01 Speaker 04 Oh, it's a fucking clit.
39:02 Speaker 03 Oh, brilliant. Right.
39:05 Speaker 03 I've got a hole.
39:05 Speaker 04 Oh, you've got a massive big cock.
39:06 Speaker 03 You've got a big hose, I've got a hole. Yeah.
39:10 Speaker 04 So it's a rare thing to have the vulva envy.
39:12 Speaker 03 Well, this is, I suppose, is the, not the Oedipus complex. What was the other one called? Oedipum com. Not the Oedipum complex. What's the Electra complex? Which is the off, the, the rare cousin of the Oedipus complex. So, yeah, so vulva envy, which means that, what, he wants to, what does that even, how's that manifest?
39:35 Speaker 04 He's experiments with braha machara celibacy and a chamisa.
39:39 Speaker 03 Hamza, amza.
39:40 Speaker 04 Amza.
39:41 Speaker 03 No.
39:42 Speaker 04 Amza.
39:43 Speaker 03 He was trying to adopt what he can see as feminine virtues.
39:46 Speaker 04 Patience, gentleness and self-sacrifice. And now, I guess what's quite fun is, I guess, at school, we learnt like Gandhi, Mandela, Martin Luther King, suffragettes. These are actually such a huge part of our moral education.
39:58 Speaker 03 Not my school.
40:01 Speaker 04 We probably weren't listening. You were saying, oi, cross eyes.
40:03 Speaker 03 Where are you looking? Where are you looking, love? What's going on over there?
40:09 Speaker 03 What is it, Charlie?
40:09 Speaker 05 Do you never get like any sense of vulva envy at all? Like even like half an hour's worth of, it would be nice to be a girl for like-
40:15 Speaker 04 Half an hour?
40:17 Speaker 05 It'd be nice to be a girl for a bit sometimes.
40:19 Speaker 04 What, a whole episode of Friends? You're thinking I'd like to have a pum pum?
40:23 Speaker 05 I think sometimes it would be really nice.
40:24 Speaker 03 I don't know.
40:26 Speaker 05 Just to escape this.
40:27 Speaker 03 No.
40:28 Speaker 04 I wouldn't mind having giant cannons.
40:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'd like some absolute wumbers just to sort of fill it up.
40:33 Speaker 04 I get Nungu Nungu envy. But I do not get vagina envy.
40:37 Speaker 03 I've got an arse, I don't want another hole down, I mean, the arse is bad enough.
40:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, and the cock is silly and funny.
40:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
40:44 Speaker 04 And it's just, you know, but the vagina is a-
40:48 Speaker 03 You know, you've got an arse, and then I've also got like the footwell of my car to keep clean. There's just so many things to get cleaned.
40:55 Speaker 04 Your eyes closed like you're singing a ballad when you did that bit.
40:58 Speaker 03 There's the arse, the mouth, the ears, the nose, the footwell of my car, you know, there's the porch.
41:04 Speaker 04 You've got enough dirty holes.
41:06 Speaker 03 There's so many cavities, rancid cavities.
41:09 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:09 Speaker 03 I don't need another one.
41:10 Speaker 04 But do you sometimes envy the vulva?
41:13 Speaker 05 Yeah, just sometimes I feel that it would be nice to have one.
41:17 Speaker 04 Why?
41:18 Speaker 05 Just because it's, being a man is like, just like, I think it's harder to keep yourself clean as a man. I think it's easier to actually be a clean woman. I think the man's body is automatically more grim.
41:30 Speaker 04 Yeah, I guess so.
41:31 Speaker 05 Like, the man's arse, there is just something really awful.
41:33 Speaker 04 Yeah, but that's, this is different.
41:34 Speaker 03 No.
41:35 Speaker 04 Okay, fine, sometimes maybe I wouldn't mind a woman's arse. I wouldn't mind switching out my arses.
41:40 Speaker 03 I'd like to swap gut byums with-
41:42 Speaker 04 Yes, but that's different.
41:44 Speaker 03 Jennifer Aniston, or whatever.
41:46 Speaker 04 Sure, I sometimes envy the inherent cleanliness of some women.
41:49 Speaker 03 But I tell you what, you could just not eat dog food.
41:53 Speaker 03 Couldn't you? You could just stop eating dog food.
41:56 Speaker 04 But he's a slave to his gender, you know, that's, you know.
41:58 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be doing it.
41:59 Speaker 04 You fight masculine to your prison, I don't want to do this.
42:01 Speaker 03 You get women dogs.
42:03 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's true.
42:04 Speaker 05 No, I think if I was a woman, I wouldn't be eating dog food.
42:06 Speaker 03 Hmm. But that would solve a lot.
42:09 Speaker 04 But you're the most non-binary of the three of us, not saying much.
42:12 Speaker 03 Yep.
42:13 Speaker 04 Because you've got a bit of the Gandhi about you. You've got a shaved head.
42:16 Speaker 03 You've got a charm as well. You've got a kind of shamanistic charm.
42:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
42:21 Speaker 03 That belies your filth.
42:23 Speaker 05 But we were talking about who would be the most, like, what would we look like? I think you would be quite a nice looking lady.
42:27 Speaker 04 You said, what?
42:27 Speaker 05 Do we talk about this on the pod?
42:28 Speaker 04 Charlie, we've talked about this about eight times and every time you just keep going on about how sexy Finn will be. How he's like Rachel Weisz. And then you look at me with such horror. You look at me and you just go so deeply disgusted. And I'm just sitting here, I don't start any of these conversations. You out of nowhere will go, you'd be so fit as a woman and you'd be absolutely horrendous.
42:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, you'd be so tall and lanky and gangly.
42:51 Speaker 04 Disgusting.
42:52 Speaker 03 You play netball and no one will pass you because you're so ugly.
42:54 Speaker 04 And I'm just, nothing I can do. Sitting duck.
42:57 Speaker 05 You'd be a sad lady.
42:59 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm sure I would.
43:00 Speaker 03 So Gandhi, Gandhi, yes. Gandhi is trying to be more feminine, which I think to bring myself back to the original point, is not what Modi is trying to do.
43:08 Speaker 04 There's another guy. So they're now finding all these other leaders who are like the kind of IRA at the time of India independence. And they're now getting their moment in the sun.
43:16 Speaker 03 Well, the, the.
43:17 Speaker 04 What's his name is?
43:18 Speaker 03 Bosa, who.
43:19 Speaker 04 Bosa Lecter?
43:20 Speaker 03 Not Bosa Lecter.
43:25 Speaker 03 No, um, no. Bosa, who is a Hindu nationalist who assassinates Gandhi.
43:32 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:33 Speaker 03 He, there's now, there's now, he's a national hero.
43:35 Speaker 04 Really?
43:36 Speaker 03 Even though Gandhi's on the money.
43:37 Speaker 04 There's truthers. There's Bosa truthers.
43:39 Speaker 03 There's Bosa Lecter truthers, but they're putting statues of him up because he was a masculine, because they, they think that, which we'll get to the next episode. Gandhi's whole problem is that he wasn't violent enough.
43:50 Speaker 04 Yeah. And it would have happened. And also I think there's a lot of, I guess with the Indian self-image. There's a lot of frustration at the idea that they're maybe not seen as masculine as other cultures. And they're trying to change that. And they think maybe Gandhi.
44:04 Speaker 03 Pretty lady, send me your bobs. You know?
44:07 Speaker 04 That's pretty masculine.
44:08 Speaker 03 Well, that's what I mean.
44:08 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:09 Speaker 03 It's also quite, it's quite needy.
44:11 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:12 Speaker 03 I wouldn't say you're controlling your urges.
44:14 Speaker 04 The stereotype, the stereotype, there's not many pop culture stereotypes of the alpha Indian, you know?
44:20 Speaker 03 No, although Bollywood's a different, a whole other thing.
44:22 Speaker 04 For example, Israel, they did a massive image change, right?
44:26 Speaker 03 Hmm.
44:27 Speaker 04 Oh, shucks.
44:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:28 Speaker 04 And they're like, oh, shucks.
44:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:32 Speaker 04 Because now, now it's like, oh, sorry.
44:35 Speaker 03 But yeah, we've talked about this.
44:37 Speaker 04 Fucking ripped Woody Allen, like.
44:38 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, you've got.
44:39 Speaker 04 Who fucking wants some?
44:40 Speaker 03 You've gone from the, the camps and the emaciated.
44:42 Speaker 04 I'm gonna show you shucks.
44:43 Speaker 03 Exactly. I'm gonna show you shucks. That's what the great Israel pivot is in the 60s.
44:49 Speaker 03 But look, he wasn't just maybe gender neutral before his time. Gandhi also, in 1918, whilst in Ahmedabad, he had a severe attack of dysentery, which, you know, I mean, he's Indian. How do you know what's severe and what's just Tuesday?
45:07 Speaker 04 If everything is involved, nothing's involved.
45:10 Speaker 03 Yeah. Diarrhoea is our lifeblood. So when do I know if I've got a problem?
45:15 Speaker 04 Right.
45:16 Speaker 03 But he, and this pains me to say, in 1919, as a result of severe constipation, his piles are operated on.
45:25 Speaker 04 So now you've been in the midst, this whole story, you have nothing to hold on to with the Gandhi story, but now you can empathize with him through his ass. You now understand.
45:34 Speaker 03 He, he was a civil rights activist.
45:39 Speaker 03 He's Rosa Piles.
45:42 Speaker 04 For your community.
45:42 Speaker 03 Martin Luther Piles.
45:45 Speaker 03 He's, he's my activist. He's my, yeah. Finally.
45:48 Speaker 04 Nelson Paldella.
45:51 Speaker 03 I'm, finally someone is speaking my language. There's someone fighting for my cause. A peaceful man of piles. The way to conquer piles is with non-violence. I'm not going to cooperate.
46:01 Speaker 04 Yeah. You had to be like that with your piles.
46:03 Speaker 03 Yes.
46:03 Speaker 04 Because if you treat them violently, they'll be worse.
46:05 Speaker 03 It will be much worse.
46:06 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:06 Speaker 03 And there's a moral purity to my stance. I'm not dealing with them.
46:10 Speaker 04 Is your stance uncomfortable sitting down?
46:11 Speaker 03 Yes, very comfortable. It's what you shouldn't do, but I'm doing it anyway. I'm not listening to my piles.
46:16 Speaker 04 But he has, similar to his lifelong obsession with semen retention, sex, all this sort of stuff. He's obsessed with digestion tracks. He has this awful attack of dysentery in 1918. Obviously he has a lot of piles, but even throughout his life, he's just become.
46:31 Speaker 03 Sweep that, sweep that under the carpet.
46:33 Speaker 04 What?
46:33 Speaker 03 Piles defined Gandhi's life.
46:36 Speaker 04 Yeah, sorry. It was a big, 1919 wasn't, he wasn't defined by the Mritza massacre.
46:42 Speaker 03 No, he was defined by his piles operation.
46:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:45 Speaker 03 Which is another massacre.
46:46 Speaker 04 But he's a serious fibromaxer.
46:48 Speaker 03 Ass R- Ass Ritz massacre.
46:50 Speaker 04 Which, I mean, I guess partly his dad dying of the anal fistula.
46:54 Speaker 03 Hmm.
46:55 Speaker 04 That must be, play a big part into his weird kind of psychosexual view about bowel movements.
47:00 Speaker 03 Of course.
47:01 Speaker 04 But he was like, he was obsessed with the digestive health and bowel movements, viewing them as central to his spiritual discipline and physical purity. And now I guess.
47:10 Speaker 03 You're quite, you're quite like this.
47:12 Speaker 04 I aspire to be like this, but I fail.
47:14 Speaker 03 Right.
47:15 Speaker 04 You know, he's someone who managed to succeed in his spiritual purity. I am filled with shame that I can't. I do definitely think there's something conquering the gut and the digestive tract. I do think you unlock a new.
47:28 Speaker 03 I imagine.
47:29 Speaker 04 The second brain.
47:30 Speaker 03 Imagine conquering the digestive tract.
47:32 Speaker 04 I mean, also the idea, I do sometimes fantasize about what it must feel like to be entirely empty, because I don't think you ever are empty.
47:39 Speaker 03 No.
47:40 Speaker 04 But Gandhi probably was the closest to be completely empty.
47:42 Speaker 03 He looked empty.
47:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
47:43 Speaker 03 Looked like someone had sucked everything out of him.
47:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
47:46 Speaker 03 But he, he got into enemas, didn't he?
47:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, he was obsessed with constantly giving himself enemas. He'd sometimes make some of his female assistants give him enemas. He'd spend three hours in the toilet often.
47:55 Speaker 03 That's pretty cool.
47:57 Speaker 04 He developed a habit of taking enema daily to manage chronic constipation. Now you are, he is getting, he only eats nuts, so I don't know if that's playing to do with his.
48:04 Speaker 03 He eats nuts? That's all he eats?
48:06 Speaker 04 That's all he eats.
48:07 Speaker 03 Right, so he's not vegetarian then? He's a fuck, he's just a nutarian or whatever he called. He's just eating nuts?
48:11 Speaker 04 Pretty much.
48:12 Speaker 03 So he's not nutting and he's eating nuts?
48:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
48:14 Speaker 03 That's the Gandhi story.
48:15 Speaker 04 Yeah.
48:17 Speaker 04 He spent 20 minutes twice daily in the toilet to ensure strict, consistent bowel movements. So this is all going, Charlie, why are you getting disgusted?
48:25 Speaker 03 Just imagine him on that.
48:28 Speaker 03 Fucking grin.
48:29 Speaker 04 But he's doing all of this alongside being a civil rights activist and doing all this stuff alongside all of this boring stuff. He's also got this rigid fucking Mark Wahlberg-esque routine about his bowel movements.
48:42 Speaker 03 Hmm.
48:43 Speaker 04 So he enjoys women like giving him an enemas. And it's like, at this point, are you not cheating? If you're having a woman squirt water at your arse, like-
48:51 Speaker 03 But I'm not, I'm celibate.
48:52 Speaker 04 Yeah, can you still brag about how sexually disciplined you are?
48:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:56 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm sure I would be able to not wank if I had a team of women shove stuff at my arse.
49:01 Speaker 03 I don't know if I would be able to not wank. If women are plowing water at my arse and I'm being told not to masturbate, impossible.
49:09 Speaker 04 I mean, I don't think it's a great advert for semen retention in the sense of how weird he is. Do you know what I mean?
49:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, I just think it's-
49:15 Speaker 04 It's actually kind of an advert for like, get that shit out of you.
49:18 Speaker 03 Get out of here, yeah.
49:18 Speaker 04 It makes you so fucking, if you're spending three hours a day on the toilet, you're like writing in your notebook all of your bowel movements.
49:24 Speaker 03 I mean, this is, this is crazy. It's like, this is, this is the Indian Martin Luther King.
49:28 Speaker 04 Hmm.
49:29 Speaker 03 And he's spending the whole time talking about not coming and being on the toilet.
49:32 Speaker 04 But interestingly, it seems like in the 1930s, his, his bowels, he reached a good then like state with his bowels.
49:39 Speaker 03 Flow state.
49:40 Speaker 04 Yeah, because he was severely constipated for the entire 1910s. Now, with, when our life stories get written in the historical document.
49:48 Speaker 03 Yes.
49:49 Speaker 04 I would be interested how many people's constipation health is being told via the decades.
49:56 Speaker 03 Hmm, that's true.
49:57 Speaker 04 The 1910s, that's the year of constipation.
50:00 Speaker 03 Constipation era.
50:00 Speaker 04 A decade, an epoch of constipation.
50:03 Speaker 03 Yes.
50:04 Speaker 04 I don't know how many other historical figures have this sort of date.
50:07 Speaker 03 Well, he talked about one of the volumes of my autobiography would be called The Diarrhea Years.
50:10 Speaker 04 Yeah. When was that?
50:12 Speaker 03 I can't remember. But, um, yes, me and my, me and my twenties.
50:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
50:17 Speaker 03 So, uh, he con, he does sort of conquer his bowels.
50:20 Speaker 04 Yeah. During the Salt March, which we haven't got on to yet.
50:23 Speaker 03 We will get to, we'll get to shortly. So let's just, let's just briefly deal with the civil disobedience movement of 1929. The partition of India is, is being proposed by the Muslim nationalists, Muslim Indians, and some Hindu, but Gandhi is firmly in the camp that Muslims and Hindus can live together. And, you know, it's just different types of animals, isn't it? It's just cattle and pigs.
50:52 Speaker 04 Yeah.
50:52 Speaker 03 You know, what's a cow?
50:54 Speaker 04 He's like, I have a dream sort of stuff. This is very Martin Luther King.
50:57 Speaker 03 What's a cow and a pig between mates?
51:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:00 Speaker 03 I think.
51:01 Speaker 04 Who's the cow?
51:02 Speaker 03 Well, the cows are holy to Hindus.
51:04 Speaker 04 Right.
51:04 Speaker 03 The pigs are holy to, so it's just, you know.
51:06 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:07 Speaker 03 So the, the Indian National Congress expresses a willingness to withhold taxes until their sovereignty is granted.
51:14 Speaker 04 It's all about withholding. Everything's withholding.
51:16 Speaker 03 Uh, withholding come.
51:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:18 Speaker 03 I can't poo. I'm not gonna pay tax.
51:20 Speaker 04 Constipation is so Gandhi.
51:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:22 Speaker 04 10, he was constipated for 10 years.
51:24 Speaker 03 Fucking hell.
51:25 Speaker 04 He's the most bricked up guy of all time.
51:27 Speaker 03 So now the defining moment of his Indian activism, you'd say, is the Salt March of 1930. So.
51:35 Speaker 04 So this is the Salma, this is the Birmingham March, this is, yeah.
51:38 Speaker 03 And again, because it's boring, it's the Salt March, the March for Salt. So basically,
51:46 Speaker 03 Indians weren't allowed to grow or make their own salt, even though there's fucking loads of salt everywhere. Boring. Salt was really important for Indians since it's a hot country.
51:55 Speaker 04 Boring.
51:55 Speaker 03 And I guess they had to preserve meats and stuff.
51:58 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:59 Speaker 03 Also, although having said that, so the, the Brits would tax, they, they had to buy salt off the Brits as a way of making tax revenue. 8.2% of the British Raj tax revenue was from salt.
52:12 Speaker 03 But let's think about how delicious and flavorful Indian food is.
52:17 Speaker 04 Right.
52:18 Speaker 03 If they weren't allowed to use salt, they had to find other flavors.
52:22 Speaker 04 Yeah. So that's the reason why hot countries have spicy cuisine, right? It's because they can't keep meats. Because meat's spoilt quicker, right? So it's basically the reason why there's a curry is that this is absolute dog shit meat. And we have to do backflips with your taste buds to make you not realise.
52:39 Speaker 03 Or they couldn't, or salt was too expensive. So they were like, well, let's use cumin, turmeric, ginger. You know, and suddenly the, the Indian food is born. So, you know, who's the real bad guy here?
52:50 Speaker 04 Blues music came out of slavery.
52:52 Speaker 03 Yes, exactly. Win, win.
52:57 Speaker 04 Everybody's happy.
52:58 Speaker 03 Everybody's, everyone's a winner, babe. Anyway, so Britain had a monopoly over salt in India. So Indians were subject to these very harsh price increases that were completely out of their control. And if you were poor, you really needed salt. Cause it was like the only thing that made the crap food taste bearable.
53:17 Speaker 03 So Gandhi takes this idea that they're going, he's going to march to the salt flats and he's just gonna start eating it or whatever. And the Congress laugh at him, but he wins them rounds the idea. And the, the viceroy of India at the time, Lord Urban remarks that the prospect of a salt campaign does not keep me awake at night. So the Brits were kind of thinking, they were thinking, who's this fucking silly, silly bloke?
53:41 Speaker 04 This guy's just constipated.
53:43 Speaker 03 He's just mad, constipated.
53:44 Speaker 04 He's a sex freak.
53:47 Speaker 03 So Gandhi decides to march for, how long is it? 2000 miles? It's a 385 kilometre march, 24 days, where he and 78 associates were protesting the salt monopoly.
54:04 Speaker 04 But if I was, if I was the Brit.
54:10 Speaker 04 If I was the Brit, I'd be like, alright.
54:12 Speaker 03 Alright then, fine.
54:14 Speaker 04 Sure.
54:15 Speaker 03 You can't, you can't have any pepper though.
54:17 Speaker 04 Yeah. No, but I'd just be like, so?
54:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, brilliant. You've marched.
54:21 Speaker 04 We're like, we just walked for 24 days.
54:23 Speaker 03 Alright, mate. Yeah. And salt costs a tenner. So he starts from his ashram, which is his sort of centre, his base, to the coastal village of Dandie, and then people start.
54:35 Speaker 04 Dandie Gandhi.
54:36 Speaker 03 Dandie Gandhi. They join along and the procession becomes three kilometres long, and there are crowds on the side welcoming him to each village. It's like a sort of marathon, I suppose. But this is where it's the age of photojournalism now. So Americans are going over to cover it, and the New York Times feature him on the front cover, Time Magazine make him man of the year, 1930.
54:58 Speaker 04 So he's the Greta of the age.
55:00 Speaker 03 Yeah. So on the 4th of May, 1930, he reaches the salt mud, and he picks it up, and he declares, "With this, I am shaking the foundations of the British Empire." And he then starts producing salt illegally and orders his followers to join him. And then the mass civil disobedience follows. Salt becomes this mass-produced good outside of British control, and over 60,000 Indians are arrested by the end of May. But it becomes this sort of national ideology now of civil disobedience. And so people start refusing to pay their taxes, they boycott British goods. There is a massacre of non-violent protesters in a bazaar, where many of the guilty British platoon receive life sentences.
55:45 Speaker 03 So suddenly, this becomes a global news story, civil disobedience, and Gandhi becomes his household name.
55:51 Speaker 04 What does Churchill call Gandhi? The Hindu Mussolini. That's nice.
55:55 Speaker 03 Yes. Yeah, quite right. So in 1931, Gandhi signs the Gandhi-Irwin Pact, which frees all political prisoners from the Salt March in return for an end to civil disobedience. "It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr..." It's alarming and also nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well-known in the East, striding half-naked up the steps of the Vice Regal Palace to parley on equal terms with the representative of the King Emperor. Quite robust dismissal of Gandhi from Churchill. So he then tries to, he then also says something like he has to, uh, he starts basically saying, I'm the guy.
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57:21 Speaker 03 That's going to sort out self-rule. And so I think he, he says that only he can talk to the British and a bunch of the other congresspeople aren't allowed to go. And anyway, he's unsuccessfully negotiating for Indian independence, but he's becoming more active in domestic Indian politics.
57:37 Speaker 04 And that's the end.
57:38 Speaker 03 And so, uh, so in our final part of the series, we will deal with Gandhi's letters.
57:47 Speaker 04 Gandhi's sexual politics, maybe, I guess.
57:50 Speaker 03 Yep, the, the.
57:52 Speaker 04 Maybe, maybe we've talked about a lot of the strange stuff, but this might be, this might be the cherry on the, on the cake.
57:57 Speaker 03 It, it, it peaks in part four. Um, with, India is heading towards a split. Uh, and the defining moments of Gandhi's life await us. Um, I'll say this now, he's probably, probably one of the worst great uncles has ever been.
58:14 Speaker 04 Yep.
58:15 Speaker 03 Um, and also he wrote letters to a friend of the poor Adolf Hitler.
58:21 Speaker 04 This is before the who are you here to meet era.
58:23 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
58:24 Speaker 04 And it's very lucky for Gandhi, I'd say.
58:26 Speaker 03 Yes. He got out at the right time.
58:28 Speaker 04 Uh, I don't know when the first Asa car park was made, but thankfully for Gandhi.
58:32 Speaker 03 No, uh, in the Taj Mahal car park, Gandhi's getting a question, a lot of questions. So that's going to be in our final part of this Gandhi series, uh, where we'll deal with, uh, the fall of Gandhi. That's already on the Patreon, where for three pounds a month, uh, you too can, um, I don't know, fucking.
58:54 Speaker 03 I don't know anymore. Lots of love, goodbye. Goodbye.
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