Feminist Destroyed By Truth and Logic (and a Horse) | The Suffragettes (Part 2)

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  Welcome back to part two of the suffragette story.

• 1:01Speaker 05

  That's Horatio Gould. And listen, it's all getting pretty ugly now.

• 1:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05Speaker 05

  Actually, to be fair, it's been ugly from the start. Some of these women are absolute monsters, but their tactics are getting despicable.

• 1:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13Speaker 05

  To recap, women, I don't know, they're fucking natural. I don't know what they want. Do they want me to buy them dinner? Do we want me to maul their cunt? I don't know. I don't know. But this lot.

• 1:26Speaker 04

  Watch the first episode first.

• 1:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, please. As ever, please, please listen to this podcast in order.

• 1:33Speaker 04

  If you haven't heard the first episode, that does.

• 1:34Speaker 05

  In order, listen to it in order, in order. They come out in order for a reason. To recap, women want the vote. They've been whipping Winston Churchill.

• 1:44Speaker 04

  They're getting into BDSM.

• 1:45Speaker 05

  They're getting into BDSM. They're not eating dinner.

• 1:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:48Speaker 05

  Plus a change. And yet, Henry Herbert Asquith.

• 1:54Speaker 04

  The horn dog.

• 1:55Speaker 05

  A loyal man. I guess he's not a brilliant father.

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  Yeah.

• 1:59Speaker 05

  They've been better fathers.

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  Sure.

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  Than H.H. Asquith.

• 2:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  A reasonable politician.

• 2:03Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:04Speaker 05

  Has been keeping them at arm's length.

• 2:06Speaker 04

  But it's nice when your dad gets on with your friends, I guess.

• 2:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, you want your dad to go on with your friends.

• 2:13Speaker 05

  Oh, my friends come around. Oh, yeah.

• 2:15Speaker 04

  Great. Let me just change.

• 2:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'll take my trousers off.

• 2:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. They stay for dinner?

• 2:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:23Speaker 05

  They want to stay over? Sleep over, not with you, with me. So, yes, Asquith has been violently horny, writing letters to his teenage daughter's friend. That's kind of irrelevant, though. Mainly, he's keeping the suffragette movement at arm's length. However, Pankhurst has another ace up her sleeve.

• 2:44Speaker 04

  And they're big sleeves.

• 2:45Speaker 05

  And they're, well, yeah, another ace up her muff.

• 2:49Speaker 05

  She's got a whole deck of cards in her muff, which at this point is not a fanny. When does the word muff mean fanny? Charlie, it is the 1690s.

• 2:59Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 3:00Speaker 05

  So then, so then they called.

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  Post-Civil War.

• 3:04Speaker 05

  They called the hand warmer a muff with full knowledge of what a muff meant.

• 3:10Speaker 04

  I guess it looks like muff before shaving fanny became.

• 3:14Speaker 05

  But I presumed it was the other way around. I presumed women were carrying around a big hairy thing.

• 3:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:18Speaker 05

  And then, you make your own joke. What is it?

• 3:22Speaker 06

  Is there any word that you could reclaim as kind of my knob, but it isn't your knob?

• 3:26Speaker 04

  What?

• 3:28Speaker 05

  What?

• 3:29Speaker 06

  What do you mean, what?

• 3:30Speaker 05

  What you said didn't make any sense.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  Ask that exact question again.

• 3:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:37Speaker 06

  Is there any word that you could reclaim?

• 3:41Speaker 06

  Reclaim as knob, but it isn't actually your knob? In the same way that they had a little bag, which was their muff.

• 3:46Speaker 04

  Could you, could you answer it?

• 3:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, like a small hammer.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  A small hammer.

• 3:53Speaker 06

  Or like a little, like a little hat. I don't know, a little hat for your.

• 3:58Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 3:59Speaker 04

  I don't know. Another way.

• 4:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, stops the podcast. Is there any, I don't know.

• 4:04Speaker 04

  I don't know. Why are you asking me?

• 4:08Speaker 05

  All right, fuck off. Listen, they've been keeping knives in their muffs, carrying around big hairy things. That's what I want to say. It's interesting that they, I assumed they were carrying that around, then named their hairy muffs, muffs, after the hairy thing.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  Right.

• 4:23Speaker 05

  But in reality, they had big, stinky muffs first.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 4:26Speaker 05

  And then they had the hand warmers.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  So very vulgar.

• 4:29Speaker 05

  Which implies that women were warming their hand at one point in their big, stinky muffs.

• 4:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you probably would if caught a pinch.

• 4:36Speaker 05

  I guess for men, they're sort of a hand warmer in the primeval sense. What is it? What is it, Charlie? It better be good.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  This guy has to be good, Charlie. You're really fucked up.

• 4:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:44Speaker 06

  Do girls do that? Do girls put their hands, in the same way that men put their hands in their pants?

• 4:48Speaker 04

  Actually, that's a relatively good question, because I.

• 4:50Speaker 05

  You've got away with that one, because actually my daughter does that. Yeah. But she doesn't have a muff. I mean, let's be clear.

• 4:55Speaker 06

  Like Ross Barkley?

• 4:56Speaker 05

  Excuse me?

• 4:59Speaker 05

  Why are you picking up Ross Barkley?

• 5:01Speaker 06

  Because I imagine he rolls around like, kind of with his hands down his trackies. Like, does she roll around like Ross Barkley?

• 5:06Speaker 05

  Ross Barkley. I haven't thought about him for some time.

• 5:10Speaker 04

  So your daughter's sort of becoming like a Ross Barkley type figure?

• 5:13Speaker 05

  I guess so.

• 5:13Speaker 04

  She's Barkley-esque.

• 5:15Speaker 05

  Yeah. She's sort of a Lampard tribute act, really. She can't, she never sort of fill his shoes. Is that what you mean?

• 5:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I imagine women, I mean, it is, I suppose you can find this out, actually, as a scientist. Is it hotter? Are women's pubeses hotter than men's temperature-wise? I imagine they are, because they're cooking stuff.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Maybe this is a ChatGPT question. If you were, yeah.

• 5:37Speaker 05

  They're cooking stuff down now, aren't they?

• 5:38Speaker 04

  No, but I imagine there's, no, because our organs are external.

• 5:43Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  So ours are fucking roasting hot. So I actually think the cock and balls is a warmer place to be.

• 5:49Speaker 05

  Women's body temperatures are higher than men's naturally, which again, was a reason why they did not have the vote.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  This is internal and does not significantly affect the temperature of the groin area.

• 5:58Speaker 05

  Woke nonsense.

• 5:59Speaker 04

  I imagine Flora's putting her hand. She's like got grey trackies and just stick it.

• 6:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Flora's finally playing one-handed with her hand down the trackies, just taxiing to land. Flora Drummond.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  She reverses the whole way.

• 6:11Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  Flora can park, I'll say that much. Yeah. I would want her to park it for me, actually. Anyway, listen.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Do you want to park it for me, love?

• 6:23Speaker 05

  Do you want to park it for me, love? Because fuck me, look at your, the look on your hands on you.

• 6:31Speaker 05

  It's all been, it's all been fun and games, all right?

• 6:33Speaker 04

  It's been a laugh, it's been silly.

• 6:34Speaker 05

  It's been a laugh, but, but, but they don't, they don't understand when to stop the joke.

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  Yeah.

• 6:39Speaker 05

  Okay, and in 1911, Pankhurst, Osama bin Pankhurst, begins.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  Been laundry.

• 6:45Speaker 05

  A campaign of terrorism, as if she hadn't already started one. She starts bombing letterboxes.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 6:51Speaker 05

  Okay, what have they done?

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 6:54Speaker 05

  You know, first you smash windows, and I said nothing. But then you start bombing letterboxes.

• 6:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is absurd.

• 7:01Speaker 05

  I still said nothing.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:02Speaker 05

  Because I mean, I live in the digital age, it's irrelevant, irrelevant. But the postal system at this point in 1911.

• 7:08Speaker 04

  Is everything, right?

• 7:08Speaker 05

  Critical.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  I mean, how's, how's Asquith's horny letters going to get to that?

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  Where are they going to go? They're being evaporated into thin air.

• 7:15Speaker 04

  Because now he's waking up, he's like, you know, he's annoyed.

• 7:17Speaker 05

  Okay, enough.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  I spent ages drawing a picture of my penis to send to my girlfriend's best friend.

• 7:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:23Speaker 04

  And now it's ruined.

• 7:24Speaker 05

  How is my daughter's best friend meant to know that I want to buy her dinner and then maul her cunt? How is she meant to know that if you're blowing up a postbox? This is the country's arteries that she's bombing, okay? And Pankhurst leads the campaign. They pour chemicals and burning materials into postboxes.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 05

  Okay? Activists call this outrages. I don't, I don't know what that means.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  Outrage has been, I guess, disorder.

• 7:47Speaker 05

  Right, okay.

• 7:48Speaker 04

  Let's cause some outrages.

• 7:50Speaker 05

  Oh, I see, right, they want to cause outrage, right. But enemies rightly call them terrorists.

• 7:54Speaker 04

  Yes, and we're, I guess we're enemies then, because they are within the terrorists.

• 7:58Speaker 05

  Yes, in the language of the time, this is terrorism.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:02Speaker 05

  This is, and I want to stress, this is 50 years before the IRA.

• 8:06Speaker 04

  I don't care what time, terrorism is terrorism.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  Yes, it is.

• 8:08Speaker 04

  There's no, there's no two ways about it.

• 8:10Speaker 05

  Tough on terrorism, tough on the cause of terrorism, which is women getting the vote.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:15Speaker 05

  This is 50 years before the IRA imported their bombing campaign to the British mainland.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:20Speaker 05

  This is the first blitz.

• 8:22Speaker 04

  It is.

• 8:22Speaker 05

  You know, the blitz begins in 1911, as far as I'm concerned. All right, I'm hiding in the shelter in 1911. Get underground. Postboxes are exploding. It's got to be terrifying.

• 8:33Speaker 04

  But also, it's in your own house. It's your wife, potentially.

• 8:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  You can't, you can't trust anyone.

• 8:38Speaker 05

  It's like East Germany.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 05

  They're informants.

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  Yeah.

• 8:41Speaker 05

  So they begin this campaign of arson, okay? Government buildings, churches, sports pavilions. Leave the pavilions out of this. That is not cricket.

• 8:50Speaker 04

  It's not cricket at all.

• 8:51Speaker 05

  Bombing cricket pavilions for the vote. That's not the wrong way to a man's heart, that is. Golf courses. God, this is an attack on straight, middle-class.

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  Leisure.

• 9:01Speaker 05

  Late leisure pursuits, isn't it? You're bombing railway stations, golf courses and cricket pavilions. I mean, you've lost the autists. You've lost them. Churchill condemns these tactics. The suffragette movement has degenerated into an orgy of disorder.

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  Bit horny from Churchill.

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  Again, well, he's been whipped by them, to be fair.

• 9:24Speaker 05

  So they, this arson campaign kicks off in sort of 1912, around the time of the Titanic. You know, this really is the end of the Edwardian innocence, isn't it?

• 9:35Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:35Speaker 05

  You know, the Titanic has sunk, the greatest ship.

• 9:38Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:38Speaker 05

  At the same time.

• 9:39Speaker 04

  The Bella Park is ending.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  Middle-class women are bombing letterboxes. There is a bomb maker called Jenny Baines, okay? Wow, she's seen some things. That's not a man, that's a woman, I just.

• 9:51Speaker 06

  Oh, right.

• 9:52Speaker 04

  Looks like a Jewish intellectual.

• 9:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, it says he built hundreds of bombs. I'm wrong.

• 9:57Speaker 05

  First time you said that.

• 9:58Speaker 06

  I'm wrong.

• 10:00Speaker 05

  She built hundreds of bombs for the now militant suffragettes. And these are sort of homemade, like mustard tins, teapots.

• 10:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:09Speaker 05

  They're still quite gendered.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:10Speaker 05

  I guess. But it's like Home Alone, they're using the house, they're using the kitchen.

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  Yes.

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  To cause havoc.

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  So 1912, three cabinet ministers, their homes are attacked, bombed. A bomb is planted in the Home Office in July, thankful it's discovered before it goes off. The Theatre Royal Dublin is bombed, okay? Suffragettes burn down the theatre while Asquith is attending a matinee.

• 12:54Speaker 04

  Can a man not attend a matinee?

• 12:56Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ, he's trying to have a break. The same day that an axe is thrown at his head, okay? Asquith is again, there's assassination attempt. A canister of gunpowder and petrol is placed near the stage, lit match is thrown, there's an explosion, no one dies, but the theatre suffers damage. I mean, it's vandalism and vandalism. David Lloyd George, who is at this point maybe the Chancellor, or he's in the high and up in the government, in 1913, his house is bombed and the bombers leave behind a large hairpin as like a...

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Calling card.

• 13:28Speaker 05

  Calling card.

• 13:29Speaker 04

  Right.

• 13:29Speaker 05

  Sexy with it though, something to want to be caught.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:32Speaker 05

  You know, no, no, no.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  But there's an element to this, with most terrorism, it's like, if it's the Irish, if it's Islamic terrorism, these are two factions that don't need to be together. But men and women, it has a different tension to it.

• 13:47Speaker 05

  Alindo Akbar.

• 13:50Speaker 05

  Is that what they're shouting? They bomb a letterbox?

• 13:55Speaker 05

  Aloro Akbar. Anyway.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  But do you know what I mean? The fact that men and women have to live together.

• 14:03Speaker 05

  We have to.

• 14:04Speaker 04

  That you have to.

• 14:04Speaker 05

  We'll have to.

• 14:05Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? IRA and Protestants, you can segregate those two groups. There is a solution where you don't see...

• 14:13Speaker 05

  There's a two-state, there's a two-state solution.

• 14:14Speaker 04

  But there's no two-state solution for men and women.

• 14:16Speaker 05

  If only there was. I think there could be, you know?

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:21Speaker 05

  No, I think, I mean, you could have a sort of, you could split up the world into the male half and the female half.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  How do you reproduce?

• 14:29Speaker 05

  Sorry? Well, you, you, sex tourism.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  I see.

• 14:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:33Speaker 04

  So sex tourism becomes essential?

• 14:35Speaker 05

  Yes, it becomes procreation.

• 14:38Speaker 04

  Well, do you know, we haven't talked much about female sex tourism. Do you know about this? So the...

• 14:44Speaker 05

  Good God, the dead.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  So type in female sex tourism Trinidad and Tobago. So in the way, the male, male sex tourists, they go for the kind of...

• 14:51Speaker 05

  We go east.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, we go east for cheap erotic pleasures of...

• 14:55Speaker 05

  Women are going west. Is that what that song's about? Go west?

• 14:57Speaker 04

  So it's interesting that the men go for small Asian women, affordable. Women go for big black guys in Trinidad and Tobago.

• 15:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, brother.

• 15:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, so look, female, yeah, so female sex tourism, yes, there's like, there's this big industry of like older white women going out and getting absolutely, yeah, getting absolutely railed by like male prostitutes out there.

• 15:18Speaker 05

  This is a scandal.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  It's completely...

• 15:20Speaker 05

  This episode is scandal upon scandal. So old white women are travelling to the Caribbean to purely to have, purely to get dick down by young black men from the cat, wow.

• 15:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:36Speaker 05

  And are they coming home, you know, is there a Thai bride thing in the, in the way that...

• 15:41Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Or is it just too frivolous?

• 15:45Speaker 05

  Michelle, a local woman who works at one of the beachside bars, wonders what the tourists see in Jamaican men. They know what it is, I suppose, but I don't see the attraction. Our men are lazy and good for nothing. They are not good lovers. All they do is get us pregnant and leave us to cope with the baby while they're off doing their own thing.

• 15:58Speaker 04

  That's your words, Michelle.

• 15:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, not my words. Yeah.

• 16:02Speaker 04

  So they, it literally, they've heard about the big knobs.

• 16:04Speaker 05

  I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it?

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Makes sense, yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 05

  You know, you've got Thai fanny tourism that way, big knob tourism that way. You don't, you don't want to get on the wrong plane. Your dad doesn't want to get on the wrong plane. Oh no, what?

• 16:16Speaker 04

  Thai fannies firing ping balls out their vaginas and then big knobs batting them away. It's like baseball.

• 16:22Speaker 05

  Organise that cricket match, would you? Charity cricket match.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  And also you could, divorcee, husband or wife could both go to watch different things.

• 16:29Speaker 05

  I'd watch that.

• 16:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it's like his and hers.

• 16:32Speaker 05

  No, no, no, it's the same game.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  No, but I'm saying that you could both watch together.

• 16:35Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 16:35Speaker 04

  You could tell your wife.

• 16:36Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 16:37Speaker 04

  Something for the guys, something for the girls.

• 16:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, and we can each have a favourite player, you know?

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  Fastball fizzing in and then bang.

• 16:43Speaker 05

  So obviously the Thai brides, they'd want to field first, because that's where they're, you know, they're bowling out, they're fannies like that, and then you've got these fucking, they're cocks, you know? Fucking Viv Richardson at the end.

• 16:59Speaker 05

  Well, I did not know about female sex tourism, but now I do.

• 17:02Speaker 04

  Every day's a school day.

• 17:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, thank God I do now. Now, the suffragettes, let's get back to female terrorism, female sex terrorism. The suffragettes plant a bomb under the Bishop of St Paul's chair.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  Oh my, it's nothing taken...

• 17:17Speaker 05

  It's nothing, that's St Paul's, not even the Nazis bombed St Paul's.

• 17:21Speaker 04

  No, of course not.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  Okay? It was, it was left standing, the footage of defiance in the Blitz. And yet 30 years, 40 years previously, women had tried to blow it up.

• 17:32Speaker 04

  Bomb fell to detonate. I mean, maybe not, yeah.

• 17:35Speaker 05

  You weren't getting it to stem at this point, I suppose.

• 17:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. Not enough autists on your side.

• 17:39Speaker 05

  No, and that is the one, the one key in our arsenal. A cathedral verger, I don't know what that is, is that some kind of religious nonce, heard the mechanism ticking and discovers the device and then puts it in a bucket of water. Nice. Now, the WSPU, right, which is, you know, that's Sinn Fein, but they also are tied to the IRA. It is Boca Haram, female Boca Haram, but they, they run a bomb-making factory. So at least the IRA and Sinn Fein are separate, you know? Obviously they're linked. This is the actual organisation, the political arm. So I want people to know that the Women's Equality Party by Stanley Toksvig, okay, which is the successor, in her words, to the WSPU, ran a bomb-making factory out

• 18:24Speaker 05

  of a flat in Leeds, okay? Shocking.

• 18:28Speaker 04

  This is Four Lion stuff.

• 18:29Speaker 05

  This is Four Lion stuff, Four Lionesses. They start using code names, they go on the ground, they use these code messages to avoid capture. So the codes are, they're all animals. So like if you say fox, it means are you prepared for arrest? Not a ret, like to be arrested, not have a, you know, not, not if you tuck yourself in.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 18:53Speaker 05

  Goose, don't get arrested. Duck, don't get...

• 18:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't get a finger up your arse.

• 18:57Speaker 05

  Don't get a finger up your arse. Birds, finger yourself silly. Tortoise, don't do it, wait.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:05Speaker 06

  Is this where duck, duck, goose comes from?

• 19:06Speaker 05

  No.

• 19:11Speaker 05

  So you think a suffragette would say, don't get arrested unless success depends on it? Don't get arrested unless success depends on it? Don't get arrested.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  And then runs.

• 19:18Speaker 05

  And then runs. They also, this is the long road in many ways to just stop oil.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  Definitely. I saw there was a lot of parallels.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  A lot of parallels, because in 1914, Mary Richardson, okay, yet another middle-class female terrorist, hacks a painting in the National Gallery with a meat cleaver. The roke be Venus, okay, a sort of Baroque period like nude.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 19:43Speaker 05

  And she slashes at it and she says, quote, "I've just tried to destroy the picture of the most beautiful woman in history."

• 19:50Speaker 04

  She let her growl out the cage.

• 19:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, exactly. As a protest against the government for destroying Mrs. Pankhurst, who is the most beautiful character in modern history, okay? That's objectively false.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 20:05Speaker 04

  Well, I guess it's like just a, don't stop oil, just stop oil, because it's the middle-class terrorism, right?

• 20:11Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  It's got its own, it's granola eating kind of guy who's an allotment, who's trying to bring down the British state.

• 20:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, you can't have an allotment.

• 20:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:19Speaker 05

  And be a terrorist.

• 20:20Speaker 04

  And be a terrorist.

• 20:24Speaker 05

  Speaking of terrorists, there was a militant cell of young unmarried...

• 20:30Speaker 04

  I mean, already militant, yeah. You don't need to say militant, they're unmarried.

• 20:33Speaker 05

  But these are basically lesbians, right? And they get known, there's says Vera Wentworth and Elsie Hoi are so rowdy that more conservative suffragettes call them as hooligans. Lesbian hooligans.

• 20:45Speaker 04

  Well, they're just fucking taking their tops off.

• 20:47Speaker 05

  Get the, get the vagin.

• 20:52Speaker 05

  Every photo, they're like, wait, wait.

• 20:56Speaker 05

  All that, right. Every photo, yeah. Casuals, lesbian casuals.

• 21:03Speaker 04

  The vagin is awesome. Go on, hooligan looking at Kane, you know that fat bald guy? This is Flora, this is Flora looking at a police officer.

• 21:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a suffragette there, 1912.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  Pulegans.

• 21:21Speaker 05

  So they pledged to undertake danger duty and they would, they would bomb trains, they would attack the houses, racecourses, put a pin on that, they do all the postbox stuff. And these were card carrying lesbians, they were open lesbians in the Edwardian era. So they're called the Young Hot Bloods. Get the badge in, right? And now we need to get to Emily Wilding Davison, okay? If, you know, if Pankhurst is Bin Laden.

• 21:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:52Speaker 05

  Davison is Abu Al, the ISIS guy.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  Baghdadi.

• 21:57Speaker 05

  Baghdadi, whatever, what's he called? Was the head of ISIS who died like a dog? Who's that guy?

• 22:01Speaker 04

  Al Baghdadi.

• 22:02Speaker 05

  Al Baghdadi, okay. She will become probably the most infamous suffragette.

• 22:07Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 22:08Speaker 05

  She.

• 22:09Speaker 04

  This is sort of, if you were going to do a whistle stop tour of this period, she's probably, this event is probably the most memorable thing that happens.

• 22:16Speaker 05

  This is the, this is the 9/11.

• 22:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:18Speaker 05

  For, for, for women.

• 22:19Speaker 04

  9/11 for men.

• 22:21Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, by women.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Because it wasn't 9/11 for al Qaeda, it was 9/11 for America.

• 22:25Speaker 05

  It's true, actually, when we say that was like 9/11, we never think about like, well, whose perspective? Wasn't there the Muslim 9/11?

• 22:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:31Speaker 05

  What's the Muslim 9/11?

• 22:33Speaker 04

  I don't know, maybe they invented the miniskirt?

• 22:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, Mary Quant in the 60s. But before 9/11, so we were like, I don't know.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  What do you even?

• 22:41Speaker 05

  What do we call this? So Emily Davison had studied in Oxford, again, just a sort of breeding ground for female extremism, it seems. She's arrested after joining the WSPU.

• 22:55Speaker 05

  And she was always, when, when all the other ones were kind of like, you know, working together, protesting, she was always sort of a lone wolf.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:01Speaker 05

  As a lone growler, right?

• 23:04Speaker 05

  She, and she was quite, what was she like? She's using, she's almost using kind of David Blaine-esque.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Performance art.

• 23:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, public shock tactics.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  That reflects society in a certain way, you know?

• 23:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, man.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's all like, yeah, it's what, what it brings out of other people.

• 23:22Speaker 05

  This is a famous one. In 1911, so they were doing a national census, okay? And women were not allowed the vote at this point, obviously. So they were protesting by boycotting the census, right? However, Davison, because she wants to make a sort of edgy, cool point, she hides in a cupboard in the Palace of Westminster on the night of the census, which means that her recorded address is the House of Commons, right?

• 23:51Speaker 06

  Suffragette stuck in cupboard.

• 23:56Speaker 05

  There we go.

• 23:57Speaker 04

  There's only one way to get her out of it.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, you've got to fuck her out of the cupboard. Yeah, suffragette stuck in the, suffragette stuck in Parliament's cupboard. The, the predecessors to step mum getting stuck in a washing machine.

• 24:12Speaker 05

  On the night of the census.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:14Speaker 05

  So she, you know, but that's very kind of Beethoven's brother activism, like, yeah.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  Technically.

• 24:20Speaker 05

  Technically, I live in the House of Commons, so, you know, Radio 4 are lapping that up.

• 24:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:24Speaker 05

  That's not actually political activism, that's Radio 4 comedy.

• 24:27Speaker 04

  Yes, yeah, very droll.

• 24:28Speaker 05

  Very, very dry. And again, Asquith is, you know, he's enjoying this.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:32Speaker 05

  Because he's like, well, that's just, that's just humour.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, that is just a laugh.

• 24:35Speaker 05

  That's just wry humour that I can enjoy, you know, listen to the radio and then I turn it off and go and rail my daughter's best friend. You know?

• 24:45Speaker 05

  That's just good stuff. That's funny. In this day and age, that is what's funny.

• 24:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:50Speaker 05

  It's a woman hiding in a cupboard.

• 24:51Speaker 04

  Your uncle talking about Merson.

• 24:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh yeah. The master.

• 24:57Speaker 05

  Oh, is it a subject hiding in a brave cupboard?

• 25:03Speaker 05

  So, but Davison repeatedly goes to prison.

• 25:07Speaker 05

  And so in the prison, she fucking barricades herself in, she won't eat dinner, right?

• 25:12Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 25:13Speaker 05

  Obviously.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  Goes without saying.

• 25:13Speaker 05

  So she fucking locks the door and barricades herself in, and then she refuses to come out. And it's like, well, you're in a prison. So you've imprisoned yourself in a prison.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 05

  And then they have to flood her cell to get her out.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  With what?

• 25:26Speaker 05

  Water.

• 25:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 25:27Speaker 05

  They like flood her out, basically. She throws herself down the staircase, right?

• 25:31Speaker 04

  Very dramatic.

• 25:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, it is, because she wants to draw attention to the treatment of prisoners, but it's like, well, you're, you're throwing yourself down there.

• 25:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:37Speaker 05

  Haven't you, love? Right? So this is the first, maybe, you've got a black eye, I fell down the stairs.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  She's a BPD bitch, basically.

• 25:45Speaker 05

  A BPD bitch?

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:46Speaker 05

  Delivery driver.

• 25:47Speaker 04

  Boardline person.

• 25:48Speaker 05

  Oh, sorry, right, okay, right, sorry. Yeah, she's a lot.

• 25:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:51Speaker 05

  She, you know, you, you, you get, you have a partner with her, you think, fuck, I know, and then she's crazy in the sack, so, you know, you keep seeing her.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  She's throwing up on that thing.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  She gets stuck in, she gets stuck in cupboard.

• 26:04Speaker 04

  She's, she's, she's giving you such good net.

• 26:06Speaker 05

  She's asking for it.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  She's giving you such good net that she's horse kicking your TV off the walls.

• 26:13Speaker 05

  Well, yes, I suppose, maybe that's what, maybe that's where she met her end.

• 26:18Speaker 05

  She, she went to the front of the horse and that was what happened. She goes on hunger strike in, she goes girl dinner in, in jail.

• 26:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 05

  And she's force fed.

• 26:28Speaker 05

  And she publishes this account, as I said, describing the choking, the pain, the.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  But that's just the good stuff.

• 26:34Speaker 05

  And that's just the fun bit. And this causes a national scandal, which then starts, now, the public are starting to turn. The, the public opinion is quite interesting because.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  It's quite split, it's not, there's quite a lot of people who have public sympathy for suffragettes and always have done, but.

• 26:49Speaker 05

  I think it's seeing them being rugby tackled by policemen is, and then the prisoners getting, and it's a liberal government as well.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 05

  So this is, in many ways, this is like a very, this is something the liberal government should do.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:04Speaker 06

  It's a logical endpoint.

• 27:05Speaker 05

  It's the logical endpoint of.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Very good.

• 27:07Speaker 05

  Liberalism, yeah.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Very smart, Charlie.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  So, so the, the public has, they don't like all the, the force feeding stuff. They think that's a bit vulgar.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:15Speaker 05

  And so the newspapers are now printing increasingly graphic accounts of the force feeding. And so this is causing a very conservative nation to recoil.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 27:23Speaker 05

  What is it, Charlie?

• 27:24Speaker 06

  Do we think the force feeders are getting off on it?

• 27:26Speaker 05

  Oh, you're, I knew, I knew. This is such a mess, isn't it?

• 27:31Speaker 06

  What are we doing?

• 27:36Speaker 05

  You think the force feeders, the prison guards are going, this is god, what am I doing?

• 27:40Speaker 04

  What are we, we shouldn't be.

• 27:42Speaker 05

  I shouldn't be doing this.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  We shouldn't be doing this.

• 27:44Speaker 05

  Or force feeding a suffragette.

• 27:45Speaker 06

  I'm certain that they would, they would have found that horny.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Give me, it's like bread and milk and meat, processed meat.

• 27:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, but you're making them do it, you're like, this is fucked.

• 27:55Speaker 05

  You've got to bear in mind, Charlie, that you, you think anything can be horny, because the thing you find hornier is you saying, this is fucked. This is absolute fuck, should we just fuck? Such a mess, there's no coming back from this, we might as well just fuck.

• 28:09Speaker 05

  You, you'd be the one guy in Auschwitz when everyone's just starving, you're like, oh, this is fucking terrible, what a mess, should we just fucking, this is fucked.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  What are we doing?

• 28:16Speaker 05

  What are we doing here? What are we doing?

• 28:19Speaker 04

  We shouldn't be doing this.

• 28:20Speaker 05

  All of us in a room, imagine if all of us just, wouldn't that just be a mess? Wouldn't it be an absolute mess if we all just fucked? Gosh.

• 28:31Speaker 05

  What are we doing here?

• 28:35Speaker 05

  You can say that about anything, though, can't you? You know, you could hear, you could hear roadkill and go, god, this is.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  What are we doing?

• 28:42Speaker 05

  What am I, what am I doing? This is fucked, you know? You can put your dick in the sofa and say that, you can do anything.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  What am I doing?

• 28:48Speaker 05

  What am I doing? I shouldn't be doing this.

• 28:54Speaker 05

  Do you know what I mean? You can do that with anything, is my point.

• 28:55Speaker 04

  Wanking at your nan's funeral.

• 28:57Speaker 05

  What am I doing? I shouldn't be doing this.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  What am I doing? It's so wrong that it's right.

• 29:00Speaker 06

  Should have hated this.

• 29:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, just giving a eulogy, what am I doing? This is so fucked. You know, you can just do that about anything, can't be anything sexy if you think, think like that.

• 29:12Speaker 05

  So there were actually images of women enduring force feeding, okay? Look, here you go, there's, there's one, I mean, that is.

• 29:18Speaker 04

  Is that before or after?

• 29:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, so she's got a nasal feeding tube, so they're pouring kind of wet bread and, yes, they pour it.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  She's getting bread through her nose.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's getting porridge up her nose, but not in a fun way.

• 29:34Speaker 05

  And she's obviously got black eyes and stuff because she fell down the stairs. Anyway, it's all getting a bit gnarly, and so the government introduces the Cat and Mouse Act. It's not called that, it's called the Temporary Discharge for Ill Health Act.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  That's catchy.

• 29:49Speaker 05

  But it's because the girls are playing cat and mouse.

• 29:53Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 29:54Speaker 05

  With their eating.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  They're playing hard to get.

• 29:55Speaker 05

  They're playing hard to, hard to eat, that's what they're playing, playing hard to eat.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  Put out, will you?

• 29:59Speaker 05

  And this policy means is that when they get all sick from not eating.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:03Speaker 05

  You get released and then you, you mukbang on the outside.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:07Speaker 05

  And then as soon as you're ready to go back in, we arrest you again.

• 30:10Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 30:10Speaker 05

  So hunger strikers would be released when weak and then rearrested as soon as they'd recovered, which Parliament hopes will break the sort of martyrdom thing.

• 30:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:19Speaker 05

  But in, women released into these safe houses and then they just sort of disappear and so they can't catch them again, which is why it gets called Cat and Mouse, right?

• 30:29Speaker 05

  There's also a lot of inter-suffragette bitching, which it would be remiss of us not to talk about.

• 30:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:34Speaker 05

  Because, I mean, obviously this is the problem with the movement.

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course.

• 30:37Speaker 05

  Is that, you know, women's worst enemy, women's worst enemy is themselves.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  I mean, Sylvia.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  Hen do's are far harder to organise than stag do's.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  I'd rather gig, I'd rather do gigs as stag do's than hen do's.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  But I just think in general, it's just, there's, you have lots fewer options if you're a hen do, if you're trying to get a group of 12 women together, it's, you know, if you, if three of you go missing for a couple of days, that's not as funny.

• 30:59Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  But with men, that's hilarious.

• 31:01Speaker 05

  It is hilarious.

• 31:02Speaker 04

  That's a good stag do.

• 31:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  A good stag do if Ian, Nigel and Kevin.

• 31:06Speaker 05

  Don't come home.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  That's hilarious.

• 31:08Speaker 05

  That's funny.

• 31:09Speaker 04

  But if Laura, Sally and, and Margaret don't come home, that's very serious.

• 31:12Speaker 05

  That's very serious, because a man has left with their kids. And that is sad.

• 31:18Speaker 05

  But also, hen do's, you know, from my experience, there's a lot of, there's a WhatsApp group, there's then other WhatsApp groups where they're bitching about other people in the WhatsApp groups. They're saying, well, I don't wanna-

• 31:28Speaker 04

  Why are you in these groups?

• 31:28Speaker 05

  Hey, no, I was just, I'm seeing Amanda, Amanda-

• 31:30Speaker 04

  You're like, I've got some horrible things to say about these women.

• 31:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, can I join? I don't, I don't just think she's cheap, I think she's ugly as well, can I say that? You know, with the stag do, it's like, if someone takes charge, it's fine.

• 31:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, you just could post the picture of the guy with the big black knob.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 04

  And then that's like-

• 31:45Speaker 05

  And then you open that, oh, we're going here, and you go, ah, ah.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's simple.

• 31:49Speaker 05

  You do that twice, and then everyone's like, oh, this'll be fun. And then you go to a former Soviet capital and you get cunted on pills for two days. And then most of you come home.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 05

  Win.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  Some of you stay.

• 31:57Speaker 05

  Some of you stay, some of you find new lives in the wild, fine. FEMA, hen do's, you know, at least two of them have to be crying at all times.

• 32:07Speaker 04

  Spinning plates, someone has to be crying.

• 32:09Speaker 05

  Someone has to be crying.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  It's not a hen do unless everyone cries.

• 32:11Speaker 04

  Wait, if we're not crying, then who the hell is crying?

• 32:13Speaker 05

  I guess that must be me.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:15Speaker 05

  So Sylvia Pankhurst is Christabel's sister, and she is a Marxist and thinks it should be more about class.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  Yes, she wants to make them more working class.

• 32:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  So she's a bit more extremist, uh-

• 32:28Speaker 05

  I guess so, and then also, because Emmeline and Christabel are basically like the sort of Ayatollahs within the-

• 32:35Speaker 04

  Yes, she says they're too authoritarian and they all want it to be done through the WSPU.

• 32:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  As opposed to splintering off, so they wanna focus it more.

• 32:42Speaker 05

  It's around the Russian Revolution kind of time, you know, so it's this idea of meetings.

• 32:47Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 32:47Speaker 05

  Committees, blah, blah, blah. They're coming from, they're coming from a tradition of the WI, so, you know, they wanna fucking judge jams and all that stuff.

• 32:58Speaker 05

  Anyway-

• 32:58Speaker 04

  This is pre-Russia Revolution, though.

• 32:59Speaker 05

  It is, but it's that kind of era of like meetings, you know?

• 33:03Speaker 04

  Newspapers, trains, meetings.

• 33:05Speaker 05

  So Sylvia is sort of expelled from the movement, and then the critics refer to the whole thing as the Pankhurst family business, because it's all getting a bit kind of rotten, but-

• 33:45Speaker 05

  Probably the most infamous moment of the suffragette movement is Emily Davidson's reckless decision to try and suck off a horse

• 34:01Speaker 05

  during the Epsom Derby of 1913.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 05

  Now, help me explain what this is meant to achieve.

• 34:06Speaker 04

  Oh no, we should place this, probably.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  We should, you're right.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  So this is after Caligula-

• 34:11Speaker 05

  It's the June, it's June 1913.

• 34:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, and that's after Caligula married his horse.

• 34:17Speaker 05

  Made his senator a horse.

• 34:19Speaker 04

  Did he not marry a horse?

• 34:20Speaker 05

  No, he made his horse a senator.

• 34:22Speaker 04

  Who married a horse? Did someone marry a horse?

• 34:24Speaker 05

  Don't, um, uh, yeah, alright, mate, yeah.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  Before he made his senator a horse, and then this is before anyone fucked a horse on video.

• 34:37Speaker 04

  You know, the first porn video of a horse fucking a woman?

• 34:40Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  I believe that would be after this.

• 34:44Speaker 05

  I think they got the idea from this.

• 34:45Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 34:46Speaker 05

  Charlie, what have you, what have you found? That's a dog fucking a cow?

• 34:50Speaker 04

  That's not what-

• 34:51Speaker 05

  I'm getting, I'm getting quite triggered by that, looks like my wedding night.

• 34:53Speaker 06

  In a good way.

• 34:57Speaker 05

  Catherine the Great was meant to have fucked a horse.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, but she didn't film it.

• 35:01Speaker 05

  Fucking hell, alright.

• 35:03Speaker 04

  So we can't know.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  So yes, it's after, uh, Caligula made his, uh, horse a senator, and it's, but can you get the dog fucking the cow off the screen? It's like, it's a gift that won't stop going.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  He's really like, he's really into it, though, he's really like, fucking, he's blowing its back out.

• 35:22Speaker 05

  He's like, I'm only gonna get one chance at this, and the cow's not feeling a thing. The cow's just chewing, oh, oh.

• 35:29Speaker 05

  That's why I find it quite triggering, you know? I'm working really hard back there.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  She's just chewing the cud.

• 35:34Speaker 05

  Uh-huh, chewing grass there in the distance, oh, bored.

• 35:40Speaker 05

  Anyway, 4th of June, 1913, it's after the Titanic, uh, and it's before, I guess, anything got called Titanic.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:49Speaker 05

  And the Epsom Derby, okay, this is, uh, probably the big social event of the Edwardian calendar.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 35:56Speaker 05

  I guess it's like, do they still have the Epsom Derby today, or is it Ascot?

• 35:59Speaker 04

  But this is a big, big deal.

• 36:00Speaker 05

  Cheltenham, Cheltenham Ladies, Cheltenham Day, I don't fucking know, this is all above my pay grade, there's all this stuff.

• 36:07Speaker 05

  But it's, it's a race day, it's attended by the elites, the aristocrats, the politicians, royalty. And now, there are newsreel cameras lying on the course, so you may actually be wrong. This, this is maybe the first time that a woman got destroyed by a horse.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  What, had a black blown out by a horse?

• 36:24Speaker 05

  Woman gets destroyed by a horse is the, um, is the thumbnail for the Epsom Derby highlights.

• 36:32Speaker 05

  So, uh, now, Emily Davidson, you know, had been, uh, working up a new stunt, okay? How can I draw attention to the cause? I got stuck in a, I got stuck in a cupboard in Parliament, had to be fucked out, that was all very funny. What, what now, how about now I get fucked by a horse?

• 36:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 05

  In front of everyone, that's gonna-

• 36:51Speaker 04

  My next trick.

• 36:51Speaker 05

  My next trick, I will swallow this horse cock.

• 36:56Speaker 05

  And the horse, okay, is the king's horse.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:59Speaker 05

  Who's called Anma, okay?

• 37:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:00Speaker 05

  Now, Anma is an innocent bystander in all this, I don't want any shade said about Anma, okay? Anma was just trying to run a race.

• 37:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, minding his own business.

• 37:10Speaker 05

  Keep politics out of horse racing, right? So what happens on the 4th of June is that she essentially suicide bombs a horse, right? She runs out onto the track in her wedding cake hat, right? And she, uh, is flattened by Anma.

• 37:28Speaker 04

  She's just like diving headers into a horse.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  Basically.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  Dan burns it.

• 37:32Speaker 05

  Thirty-five miles an hour collision, the horse stacks it, the jockey falls off, uh, and Davidson suffers a head injury from the impact.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:42Speaker 05

  That's how fast it is.

• 37:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:43Speaker 05

  It says here, Anma had a reputation for being difficult and unreliable, that is written by a female researcher, that's biased, okay? I don't know why that's relevant, okay? The horse is blameless in this instance, okay?

• 37:54Speaker 04

  I don't know what the horse's politics were, but it's irrelevant.

• 37:56Speaker 05

  It's irrelevant, you shouldn't ask what was, the horse was wearing, you shouldn't ask what he thought.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Okay, it's an attack on a horse.

• 38:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:02Speaker 05

  So it's an attack on us all. The horse thankfully survives the assassination attempt and, uh, moves to Canada and, uh, becomes a sire. So it's a happy ending.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  That was a lovely ending.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  It's a very lovely, and that's the-

• 38:16Speaker 04

  It's a sort of like an Idi Amin sort of ending to this one.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  It is, yeah, and so Anma eventually recovers from this. The jockey, however, Herbert Jones, uh, he has recurring nightmares and PTSD.

• 38:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, because it's like when train drivers, when people jump in front of trains.

• 38:30Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  And they have, they can have like-

• 38:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, so he got a fucking 50 grand a year the rest of his life.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 05

  So after his death in 1951, his widow receives flowers every year on the anniversary of the incident because former suffragettes sent them anonymously because they think Jones was an innocent victim of a tragedy.

• 38:47Speaker 04

  That's nice.

• 38:48Speaker 05

  It is nice, but it's also, I mean, you, the suffragettes, you know, it's like Putin saying-

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Putin's sending it to Prigozhin's wife.

• 38:54Speaker 05

  Saying, oh, sorry to hear-

• 38:55Speaker 04

  Sorry about that, very good man, my best friend.

• 38:57Speaker 05

  Um, now, what actually happened? What was she doing? Was she, uh, just wanted to kill herself?

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 39:03Speaker 05

  Maybe, although she was found with like a return train ticket.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:07Speaker 05

  Uh, and supposedly she, quote, had plans, I don't think, you know, she had some lunches in the diary, I don't know. People think what she was trying to do was pin a rosette on the horse.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 05

  So that the king's horse would cross the finish line wearing the colours of the suffragette movement, which would be a very big thing.

• 39:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:26Speaker 05

  Uh, she should have done that before the horse left the traps.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  Yes, she should have.

• 39:31Speaker 05

  Because, um, you know, don't change horses in midstream.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 05

  Don't try and pin a rosette on a 35 mile an hour, I mean, you know-

• 39:40Speaker 04

  These are ancient proverbs.

• 39:41Speaker 05

  It's basic stuff. And any, and so she get hit, she gets hit in the head hard, uh, she wakes, she's in a coma.

• 39:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:51Speaker 05

  Uh, because basically she's got, she's got bleeding, like a hemorrhage on her brain, a fractured skull, uh, so the doctors-

• 39:57Speaker 04

  She wakes up, hello?

• 39:59Speaker 05

  Doctors trephinate her, which means they drill a hole in her head to let some of the bleeding out.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  To let some of the, uh, politics out.

• 40:06Speaker 05

  You don't want me to ask me what I think, fuck me, leave it to the men, I think. And then she dies on the 8th of June, uh, and the cause of death is misadventure as well.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  Is it? Unknown.

• 40:16Speaker 05

  Unknown, unknown, suicide, I think. Uh, no, it's death by misadventure, which is the same way that Franz Reichel dies.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 40:23Speaker 05

  So we should-

• 40:23Speaker 04

  Probably the funniest deaths in history are misadventures.

• 40:25Speaker 05

  I was gonna say, we should have a leaderboard of, uh, we should do history of death by misadventure, we should have a leaderboard of the best deaths. I think Franz Reichel's is the best because it's apolitical.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 40:35Speaker 05

  Okay, he's not trying to make a statement. His statement is, I've got baggy trousers, I can fly.

• 40:39Speaker 04

  My mum, her quite, uh, was quite morbid, should send death by misadventures to another friend that they found quite funny.

• 40:46Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 40:47Speaker 04

  And she was quite ashamed when I found out she was doing this.

• 40:48Speaker 05

  Oh, I did that to my best friend.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  What, you just send?

• 40:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, like Times, like, like, um, headlines.

• 40:53Speaker 04

  Uh, drunk, uh, middle-aged women, after their kids had had like a birthday, they all decided to go on a bouncy castle. And it wasn't tethered to the ground, and then a great gust of wind took the bouncy castle up, and they all fell out and died.

• 41:08Speaker 05

  Sorry, like a hot air balloon, they found Reichel out of a bouncy castle.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're all like with, with glasses of white wine.

• 41:14Speaker 05

  Sorry, it's the woman, it's the woman at bottomless brunch, but she's falling from the, yeah, from a bouncy castle. That's awesome, I mean, Brazilian bungee jumper, of course, we've dealt with that, one of the, Brazilian dignitas, one of the greatest misadventure deaths.

• 41:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:27Speaker 05

  I mean, that is probably-

• 41:29Speaker 04

  Done with that.

• 41:30Speaker 05

  Alright, right, lunch, should we call lunch now?

• 41:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:34Speaker 05

  One of my favourites is the guy who, uh, got sucked into an airplane engine on that, in the Amsterdam airport.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:40Speaker 05

  Just queuing for a plane or whatever.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  What?

• 41:41Speaker 05

  He, um, he got basically, um, made into mince by, uh, a jet engine, Amsterdam airport, I think.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  Charlie really hates anything gruesome.

• 41:49Speaker 05

  I don't like it. Anyway, so, um, Davidson's, uh, funeral, they, um, again, it's weaponized, from the off. So all the suffragettes are like, well, this, this would be a chance to-

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Would you picket this funeral like Westboro Baptist Church?

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Yes, I would, yes, I would. God, God hates slags.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  I would be there picketing the funeral. This is a disgrace. This woman was a terrorist. Why are we saying... She should have been buried at sea like Bin Laden. Really? And yet, within hours of her death, the WSPU recognised that the funeral can serve as basically another parade, right? So the next day, tens of thousands lined the streets as Davison's coffin is transported through the capital. We're looking at a picture of it now. It's draped in the colours of the movement. They're all wearing white, so like walking up the aisle. I guess for some of these, for some of these troopers, it's the first time, it's the only time they're ever going to get to wear white and walk up an aisle. You know? Flora, Flora What's-her-face isn't walking up the aisle, is she? There they are.

• 42:52Speaker 05

  There's some of the lesbian bodyguards there, looking like a fleet of brand-new white goods walking down the aisle.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  What? Fucking washing machine.

• 43:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, fridges, a washing machine, tumble dryer and an oven.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  Took down the British government.

• 43:06Speaker 05

  But officials fear the funeral will become a catalyst for renewed militancy. And they're aware that Davison is a martyr figure. And her gravestone is inscribed, "Deeds, not words", which is kind of ironic, I suppose.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  Why? Because she died from deeds.

• 43:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, words would have kept it. If she'd shouted from the racecourse, rather than just walk in front of the horse. Now, it's quite an unusual story, this, because World War One basically gets in the way of it. And what's fascinating is that when World War One breaks out, the Pankhurst, the entire movement...

• 43:42Speaker 04

  Pack it in.

• 43:42Speaker 05

  Pack it in overnight. Because it's a bit like when the Ukraine war started and all the woke stuff stopped. When I was like, "Oh, right, well, this is an actual war."

• 43:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, all the culture war stuff, all the stuff about trans women in Wall Street. I was like, "Well..."

• 43:52Speaker 05

  Well, no, okay, people are dying, people are dying. Right, let's stop that.

• 43:55Speaker 04

  Maybe we've overused the word "war".

• 43:57Speaker 05

  Yeah. Turns out we don't know what a war is. It's not, you know, who's taking the smelliest shit in a bar? Whatever that was about, I never really understood it.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  I don't think it was about that.

• 44:09Speaker 05

  Well, I think it actually was, actually.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  I don't think it was trying to say, "No, we have the smelliest shit."

• 44:12Speaker 05

  I think it was about, the reason women's toilets shouldn't have men pooing in them is because men's poo is smellier. I think that's what it was about, actually. And I think women should be allowed to poo their sort of...

• 44:22Speaker 04

  I don't care if you have a wig on, you're still shitting out a male arse.

• 44:24Speaker 05

  Exactly. It's a male arse. Where's the poo coming from? I don't care what you look like.

• 44:29Speaker 04

  If you transgender your arse, which you're not going to...

• 44:32Speaker 05

  By all means.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  Then you can come through.

• 44:34Speaker 05

  The front is not the issue, actually. It's the arse that's the problem. Okay? You should be swapping your asses to get in the bathroom.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:42Speaker 05

  Right. Anyway, so Emmeline instantly U-turns and says, "What would be the good of a vote without a country to vote in?" But this, I mean, the movement, there's a lot of controversy in there. The movement are like, "What are you doing?"

• 44:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  And the sort of vote, the movement kind of fractures, really. Sylvia Pankhurst opposes the war and is horrified by her mother's abandonment of what she would think is feminist principles. So am I right in that the suffragette movement kind of stops, never really picks up again?

• 45:09Speaker 04

  I guess it's the conservative and progressive arms of the suffragette movement.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Where they're still fundamentally quite conservative, a lot of these women.

• 45:15Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 45:15Speaker 04

  They just want suffrage, right? But they're still fundamentally patriots, they, you know?

• 45:20Speaker 05

  And so what ends up happening is that by the end of World War One, nearly a million women are employed in making munitions. They're called munitionettes. And that they become sort of so synonymous with the war effort that, within the space of four years, I mean, this is the great four years where you'd say, probably the birth of like modernity, really, isn't it? The Edwardian age ends at the end of World War One. And, you know, it's kind of like undeniable that when women have been doing the same things as men for four years, that they are not, they're equal...

• 45:56Speaker 04

  Right.

• 45:56Speaker 05

  In some respects.

• 45:57Speaker 04

  Some respects.

• 45:58Speaker 05

  And so resistance is so hard to justify. It is cheap. Well, they've learned how cheap labour is.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  You should get women to build HS2.

• 46:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, we should get Flora Drummond to build HS2, single-handedly. And so in 1918, Asquith, by the way, is gone, Lloyd George is in. And so without the staunch defender of male rights, Lloyd George collapses. And the Representation of the People Act of 1918 passes, which means that some women over 30 can vote.

• 46:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 05

  And men can vote from 21. So nearly eight and a half million women gained the vote overnight. And what do they do with it? What do they do with it? What's the next election after that?

• 46:37Speaker 04

  Free Roseau.

• 46:38Speaker 05

  Free Roseau.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  The Free Roseau Party.

• 46:40Speaker 05

  Rose on tap.

• 46:41Speaker 04

  Single-issue party, the Free Roseau Party, 40% of the vote.

• 46:45Speaker 05

  National Health Service for Roseau. So then, a decade later, in 1928, Equal Franchise Act means women have the vote on the same terms as men.

• 46:54Speaker 04

  Something that's, yeah, something that's important to know is that, my mum always brings up how recent history is that women got the vote. And we always forget that it was like, it was only like 100 years ago that women can vote.

• 47:02Speaker 05

  This is an experiment.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  Yes. So it's very recent. But to be fair, it's almost just as recent that men got the vote.

• 47:09Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  Like, people do talk about it like it's this kind of crazy new thing.

• 47:12Speaker 05

  You're right.

• 47:13Speaker 04

  It's not that far from men getting the... When were all men allowed the vote? Because before, it was just landed jet men. I think it was like 10 years earlier, something crazy like that.

• 47:24Speaker 05

  1918, men over 21. 1920.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  So it was like 10 years before that men get the vote, really? Sort of.

• 47:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah. So...

• 47:36Speaker 04

  When's it National Men's Day?

• 47:38Speaker 05

  Well, I don't know. When is it?

• 47:40Speaker 04

  It's illegal to celebrate it.

• 47:41Speaker 05

  Just taking blowed all day, is that what it is? So 1928, women can vote. Emmeline had died three weeks before this came into force. Christabel becomes a fucking adventist evangelist and writes a book about the apocalypse in the US.

• 47:58Speaker 04

  She thinks, it's quite funny that one of the leading women, we're like, "Right, you've raised a good point, you can have the vote." And then as soon as you've done that, the world's going to end.

• 48:06Speaker 05

  This is the end of the world.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  She goes completely mental.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  This is the end of the world, right.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  Oh, fuck, she was completely mental the whole time.

• 48:10Speaker 05

  Oh, no. What have we done? What have we done? She's mental.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  She's been wrong about everything else.

• 48:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  Of course. Why do we trust her?

• 48:17Speaker 05

  And so women, you know, it's, I regret to say, have the vote. Now, let's just shout out to some countries that held on the longest. Switzerland, 1971.

• 48:30Speaker 04

  I mean, that's unbelievable.

• 48:31Speaker 05

  Incredible.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  In the 60s, women can vote. That's crazy.

• 48:33Speaker 05

  The swinging 60s, not in Switzerland. One county...

• 48:37Speaker 04

  Portugal, 76.

• 48:38Speaker 05

  One canton has written and held out until the mid 90s.

• 48:41Speaker 04

  One brave, stood alone.

• 48:43Speaker 05

  Like Britain, they stood alone. They Dunkirked female suffrage. Incredible. Portugal, 76.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  It's rocks drift, basically, is that one.

• 48:54Speaker 05

  No, you can't, no. And waves of women are coming down. No. Liechtenstein, 1984.

• 49:01Speaker 04

  I don't know what Liechtenstein is, doesn't, I can't even place that.

• 49:04Speaker 05

  But I want to go there, but I want to go there. Namibia, 89.

• 49:08Speaker 04

  Fair play.

• 49:09Speaker 05

  That's where Francis Galton was measuring bunders of the sector. Kuwait, 2005.

• 49:16Speaker 04

  When you're getting into the Gulf States, it's, yeah.

• 49:18Speaker 05

  The UAE, 2006. Saudi Arabia, they're still holding on.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  Still holding.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  So Saudi Arabia, the brave...

• 49:26Speaker 04

  Outliers.

• 49:27Speaker 05

  They are the Asquith of the world. No, not yet. Now, they can vote in local elections in Saudi Arabia, I think. But they've only just...

• 49:37Speaker 04

  But that's a slippery slope.

• 49:38Speaker 05

  Well, again, yeah. It's the beginning of the end for the Saudis. So that's the story of the suffragettes. Charlie, what have you learnt today? Would you say they were terrorists?

• 49:51Speaker 06

  No. I think it's a complicated time. There's a lot of kink play at work as well.

• 49:56Speaker 04

  Well, I was just saying that maybe the suffragette movement was more of an expression of kink play.

• 49:59Speaker 06

  There's a force-feeding, there's a kind of power play.

• 50:02Speaker 04

  Do you know both into it, both sides?

• 50:04Speaker 06

  I think...

• 50:05Speaker 04

  So there's the whole suffragette thing. The tension was actually, there was like a little bit of a forced danger to actually...

• 50:12Speaker 05

  Oh, this is such a mess. They're being led away. It's such a mess.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  I fucking hate you. I fucking hate you more.

• 50:17Speaker 06

  There's a kind of power play element that, for both sides, is undeniably, and the kind of gurgling and the grunting would have played into that. Thank you very much.

• 50:27Speaker 04

  Thank you, Charlie.

• 50:28Speaker 05

  And just to wrap up, can we just get like a Hall of Fame, all the suffragettes we've mentioned, and let's just rank them in terms of attractiveness? I think it's what they...

• 50:54Speaker 05

  Good one. Pankhurst, not for me, bit rich for my blood. Sylvia Pankhurst, no thanks. Christabel Pankhurst, looks better there, to be fair to her. Who's that one, Charlie? That, she looks nice. Davison, no.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  Is that off the horse?

• 51:14Speaker 05

  It looks like she's half just trying to suck off a horse. No, thank you.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  She talks about the best.

• 51:19Speaker 05

  Millicent Fawcett, I think, might be the best. And then, my god, no, no, no, no. Charlotte Despard, absolutely not. Anymore for anymore? Oh, Christ, Elizabeth Stanton.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  She was 29 years old.

• 51:38Speaker 05

  Alice Paul, maybe.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  Mary Church, no. No. I guess, you know, in the same way, there's a stereotype about women who are more attractive and better person, about having less, women who are unattractive and better personalities. You could say the suffragettes, you know, they weren't working on their looks.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  No.

• 52:02Speaker 05

  No.

• 52:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true.

• 52:04Speaker 05

  So, yep, I'd say Millicent Fawcett fit a suffragette, for me. That's the end of the suffragette story. It's, well, it's some terrorist toads, kick up a fuss. And only Saudi Arabia are holding out now. From all of us here, goodbye. We'll see you on the Patreon, where we're talking about the first female MP, Nancy Astor. And if not, we'll see you next week for a new topic.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  Goodbye.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  Very well.