Beers Don’t Hit Women, Italians Do | Prohibition (Part 1)

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  Welcome once again to Finn versus History. I'm joined by Horatio Gould.

• 1:17Speaker 04

  Hello.

• 1:17Speaker 03

  And we are talking today about American prohibition.

• 1:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:22Speaker 03

  When America was Saudi Arabia. When Sharia law ran the United States. Probably the only time in history there's been this kind of social engineering experiment.

• 1:31Speaker 04

  Do you think?

• 1:32Speaker 03

  Can you think of another one?

• 1:33Speaker 04

  A short period of time.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35Speaker 04

  I guess maybe like Cromwell's ban of Christmas.

• 1:38Speaker 03

  I suppose. And Starmer's ban on porn.

• 1:42Speaker 04

  Well, you think that's a social experiment.

• 1:43Speaker 03

  We are currently living in British prohibition.

• 1:45Speaker 04

  Oh my God, pornabration.

• 1:46Speaker 03

  Pornabration, thank you. So, um, America in the early 20th century bans alcohol. But the story starts much earlier.

• 1:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:56Speaker 03

  This is the long road to, I mean, I didn't realize how drunk they were before.

• 2:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're like the drunkest country in the West, basically.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  And I guess that this makes a lot of sense as to why they're now so stupid.

• 2:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Do you not think?

• 2:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  We'll get into how much they're drinking before prohibition.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  America in seventeen seventy six, um, throws off the, um, the velvet.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  Steady hand.

• 2:19Speaker 03

  Velvet yoke of British guidance.

• 2:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  And immediately sets itself.

• 2:24Speaker 04

  They say fuck you mum, actually. It's quite an emo revolution.

• 2:27Speaker 03

  They do.

• 2:27Speaker 04

  George Washington is an emo. He slams his door, he says fuck you mum, and we're like, okay. Okay, you know, we'll let you work out on your own.

• 2:34Speaker 03

  How does the mother respond?

• 2:35Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 2:36Speaker 03

  Gracefully.

• 2:36Speaker 04

  Gracefully, I'd say.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  You know?

• 2:38Speaker 04

  Um, was it a success? It's too early to tell.

• 2:41Speaker 03

  I, I think it's definitely, uh, definitely not a success.

• 2:44Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:44Speaker 03

  I mean, in seventeen seventy six, the long road to, you know, drinking out of sippy cups on casino floors and mobility scooters begins.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  I guess it's interesting to see where America was built on the ideas of, of liberty.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 2:57Speaker 04

  And breaking off from, you know, a corrupt monarchy, but it just hasn't really panned out the way I think they thought it would.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  Well, much like prohibition, there are unintended consequences to all of these things.

• 3:05Speaker 04

  This is kind of where we're at now.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Okay, so the headline is serial poo smearer hunted by cops was last seen wearing thong and creepy mask.

• 3:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. What's the image?

• 3:17Speaker 03

  The image is of.

• 3:18Speaker 04

  Exactly what it's described, I think.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Yep, fair play. The headline's nailed it. Whoever's on captions has absolutely nailed it. Is this in America, I take it?

• 3:25Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  This is an African, an African American gentleman, uh, wearing a fanny pack and some kind of, uh, mask that keeps his mouth, uh, open.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  I guess you'd call it a backless COVID mask.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 3:37Speaker 03

  Almost. Chaps, chaps with an arseless COVID mask and some kind of hat.

• 3:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  And what's he got in his hand? Has he got a bag of poo in his hand, Charlie?

• 3:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:45Speaker 05

  He has a dog poo bag, yeah.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, so he's been terrorizing local businesses. Uh, they can't find him and he's been smearing his shit on the walls.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  A hunt is underway for a man who pooed in a bag and smeared it on the walls of a shopping centre.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:56Speaker 04

  So I'm just saying that the, the kind of grand ideas are the founding fathers.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, they've not really.

• 4:01Speaker 04

  I don't think they've materialized.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  I think there's a limit to freedom. And I think this is the, the point, the problem is if you, if you, if, if anything goes, then this is, this is what America is, you know? The steady, this doesn't happen in Britain.

• 4:14Speaker 04

  It doesn't.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  Uh, what is it?

• 4:15Speaker 05

  Is it possibly like a superhero costume?

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Hmm, what's the superhero? Fucking poo smearer man.

• 4:22Speaker 05

  Pooh guy, Captain Pooh.

• 4:25Speaker 03

  Um, it could be.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  It could be.

• 4:27Speaker 05

  Which means that the ideas have worked because he's trying to help people. He's just doing it in the wrong way.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  How is he helping people?

• 4:32Speaker 05

  Well, he doesn't know, he doesn't know how to help.

• 4:34Speaker 04

  Well, the ideas haven't worked, have they?

• 4:36Speaker 03

  He's creating jobs.

• 4:37Speaker 04

  Yes, but I feel that, uh, he's being inspired by negative role models if he thinks that's a superhero.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Well, there's such a thing as negative liberty and positive liberty.

• 4:45Speaker 05

  Scatman.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  Sorry?

• 4:46Speaker 05

  Scatman.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  Scatman, we got there, fair enough.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  Right.

• 4:48Speaker 03

  There's, uh, negative liberty and positive liberty. So, uh, uh, America is founded on the idea of negative liberty, which is to protect people from the tyranny of government.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  Right.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  And then into the prohibition era, it's about protecting people from the tyranny of monopolies. It's more of a positive liberty.

• 5:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it's the opposite of liberty, the prohibition. It's like so un-American, right?

• 5:07Speaker 03

  Well, that's what's fascinating about it is it's kind of this massive, but actually you did say, I was thinking about last night, really Reagan marks the end of, um, a sort of hundred years where America is actually trying to intervene in people's lives.

• 5:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  But now, I mean, this is, yeah, this is, I guess this is the freedom, isn't it? It's just a guy in pants, uh, pooing in bags and smearing it on shopping centre walls. Listen, we all find shopping centres stressful, okay? For men particularly, uh, there is, there should be a German word for when a man has been in a shopping centre too long.

• 5:36Speaker 04

  And he wants to smear his poo on the walls.

• 5:38Speaker 03

  I've never got to that stage, but I, but I can see.

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Look at the casual walk. Look at the confidence in the way he's walking around. It is like he's just doing window shopping.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  Well, he's an artist. He's window smearing. But I do find shopping centres stressful. I think they speak to women more than they do men.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 5:53Speaker 03

  And I, you know, I, I'd say that I'm on his spectrum. Thankfully, I'm not anywhere near him, but I'd say that like autism, we have the same condition.

• 6:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 03

  What have you found? A German word for, uh, dad in a shopping centre board.

• 6:07Speaker 04

  Read that out, please.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  This is a German word for a dad in a shopping centre so extensively numbed and wanting to shit on the walls.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  Go on, Charlie.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Um, go on.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  Ein Kaufzentrum Vaters beten Freundinnen und Freunden beschissen, scheißen drang.

• 6:22Speaker 03

  You've not read that out at all.

• 6:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, you actually, you know, speak German, yeah.

• 6:25Speaker 03

  Um, ein Kaufzentrum Vaters beten Freundinnen und Freunden beschissen, scheißen drang.

• 6:31Speaker 04

  So you're feeling that feeling.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  I have that feeling quite a lot.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  That feeling when?

• 6:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, it's not very memeable, I'll give it that. But, you know, German memes are difficult. German memes are difficult, you know? But I quite often have a sense of ein Kaufzentrum Vaters beten Freundinnen und Freunden beschissen drang, when I go to, uh, Stratford Westfield, for example.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Yes, very much. It is hell on earth.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  Thankfully, I, I would say that I'm a non-offending ein Kaufzentrum Vaters beten Freundinnen und Freunden beschissen drang.

• 7:00Speaker 04

  Or a latent ein Kaufzentrum.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  A latent ein Kaufzentrum Vaters von Freundinnen und Freunden beschissen drang.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Because I, but I, I do get a sense, do you not, do, does that not, um, do you relate to that at all?

• 7:11Speaker 04

  Hate shopping centres, but that, it's because they're a non-place that fucks up your, there's a, there's a deep, it fucks up your humanity deep down.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  Because you, you feel you could be anywhere. You're in a loading bay. It feels like you're in the matrix immediately.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:23Speaker 04

  There's, there's no specific or unique features to a shopping centre. It could be literally anywhere.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  Thankfully, in Britain, we have safeguards against, uh, the extremes of this.

• 7:33Speaker 04

  And what is that, is that, um, the kind of social pressures?

• 7:36Speaker 03

  Uh, well, it's just a milder society, isn't it? We, we're used to social democracy and we're used to state intervention.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  And we're used to crucially, a safety net.

• 7:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, so maybe we don't fetch a, fetch a size.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  Freedom.

• 7:48Speaker 04

  Freedom.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  In the same way.

• 7:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's not like, we get it, like liberty is a big part of the British, you know, identity in many ways, but we're not screaming it as we chuck our poo.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  Everything in moderation.

• 7:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  Everything in moderation, right? America does not do that.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  Sorry to bring it up again, but even, uh, Charlie's poo throwing, he's an English poo thrower for sure.

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 8:07Speaker 04

  It is still done within the privacy of his own bathroom.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  Whatever you do in your own bathroom.

• 8:11Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? There's still, there's a level of an internal life, a rich internal life. It's not taking it out into the shopping centres. It is in the privacy.

• 8:19Speaker 03

  In the public square, you know? In Britain, we may be, we have.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  We respect private life a lot in Britain. We respect hobbies a lot.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  You need a license to have a firearm, you know?

• 8:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  And you can shoot yourself on your own grounds.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  Yes, sure.

• 8:30Speaker 03

  But do not take that gun into the public square.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  A man's, a man's bathroom is his castle.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah. And what he does in that castle, to defend his castle is up to him.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  From the battlements.

• 8:40Speaker 03

  From the battlements, creating a pooy moat. Close the drawbridge, girlfriend banging on the door. Fine. But this is a, yeah, it's a, it's a, it is a sort of anomaly, the prohibition era.

• 8:52Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  Uh, and it's very funny, the unintended consequences of, uh, prohibition. Now, let's get into how did we get here? How do we get to, uh, a country that bans alcohol?

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  For, what was it, about 10 years or so, nine years? So in seventeen seventy six, uh, the, the amount of alcohol that colonists are drinking is absolutely insane.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  I mean, this is, you know, beer and cider and spirits are much safer to drink than water.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  Are they not Brits abroad?

• 9:21Speaker 03

  You're right.

• 9:21Speaker 04

  Technically, because up until the Revolutionary War, basically, they are still technically Brits abroad.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  So imagine an all-inclusive, but there's no water. And that's what America is.

• 9:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is a massive Benidorm at this point, technically.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  And again, you know, if, we, and we will not live to see Benidorm in 250 years.

• 9:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  But it will probably be America.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  But when it has a revolutionary war.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  The Benidorm Revolutionary Wars, the Benidorm Wars of Independence, you know, the Boston Beer Party. They will, you know, Benidorm will become, uh, you know, America in all but.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Boston, yeah, the Benidorm Beer Cruise.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly. So George Washington, uh, himself ran a huge whiskey distillery. And at his farewell party in seventeen eighty seven, uh, he had this insane bar tab where him and 54 guests drank 54 bottles of Madeira wine. 60 bottles of claret, 22 bottles of port, 12 bottles of beer, eight bottles of cider, eight bottles of whiskey, seven bowls of Brandy Punch.

• 10:20Speaker 04

  The most interesting thing about that is the 12 bottles of beer.

• 10:24Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 10:24Speaker 04

  It's a very small amount of beer. It's very strange. I don't know where that fits in.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, because you don't really, you don't normally speak of session Madeira wine.

• 10:31Speaker 04

  For sure, no. But to have, any, any night where you've had 12 bottles of beer, but 54 bottles of Madeira wine.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, what's going on there?

• 10:38Speaker 04

  It sounded very.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  Have they been having a lot of dessert? I mean, I, yeah, Madeira wine I try and stay away from.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  But it, it is so, it's such a part of life in early America. It's, it's a form of medicine. I mean, they would prescribe children with whiskey.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  Whiskey was prescribed for snake bites because supposedly, uh, you know, you get a snake bite and the venom slows your heart, right? So they go, well, let's just plow with whiskey.

• 11:02Speaker 04

  Is that why the drink's called a snake bite?

• 11:04Speaker 03

  It must be something to do with that. So a 17-year-old girl in eighteen seventy three was given three pints of whiskey.

• 11:09Speaker 04

  Pints.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  Pints.

• 11:10Speaker 04

  Is that on draft?

• 11:11Speaker 03

  Uh, I, I don't know. After a rattlesnake bite, her circulation improves and the doctor believes that the whiskey saved her.

• 11:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 11:19Speaker 03

  Now, this is obviously, uh, the medicine that Sandro still operates by. He has been bitten by a snake.

• 11:25Speaker 04

  Alternative medicine, right?

• 11:26Speaker 03

  It is alternative medicine. It's Welsh alternative medicine.

• 11:30Speaker 04

  Traditional.

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  So historians estimate that by 1830, the average American is consuming 7.1 gallons of pure alcohol every year. This is measuring ethanol rather than pints.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  Right.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  So the actual alcohol.

• 13:33Speaker 04

  So the 4% in beer.

• 13:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:35Speaker 04

  That would be.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  It's roughly equivalent to drinking four bottles of spirits every week.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  And that's really chucking it back.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:41Speaker 04

  Those are Sandro numbers, to be fair.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  That's a problematic number.

• 13:44Speaker 04

  So Sandro is like mid-tier as a normal person in this time of America. That's like baseline.

• 13:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 13:51Speaker 04

  What he's putting away.

• 13:52Speaker 03

  No, he's in 19th century America, Sandro's a pussy.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  Right, right, yeah.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  You know.

• 13:56Speaker 04

  He's an upstanding citizen.

• 13:57Speaker 03

  He is. He runs an nursery in 19th century America. Give the kids to him. This is a decent man, a man who is clear-headed enough to look after children. Children start drinking beer.

• 14:08Speaker 04

  He drives the school bus.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  He drives the school, yeah, exactly.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  Children are drinking beer from around eight years of age.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  When was your first pint of beer, do you remember?

• 14:18Speaker 04

  When was your first pint, mate? I think.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  I remember my first beer.

• 14:22Speaker 04

  I think my first pint was at my mum's 50th, when I was 12, maybe 11.

• 14:27Speaker 03

  I bet that felt great.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got really pissed. But at the 50s.

• 14:30Speaker 03

  Did it taste disgusting?

• 14:31Speaker 04

  Oh no, my first beer was probably at a friend's house pint. Yeah, it did, yeah. But you're around other men, you have to.

• 14:37Speaker 03

  You have to just suck it up.

• 14:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  And then, and then you pretend for two years.

• 14:40Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  And then it starts tasting lovely.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  Breaking through.

• 14:43Speaker 03

  I, on an orchestra trip to Hong Kong and China.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  New listeners, I was privately educated. I, on the World Cup final 2006. Obviously, we're eight hours ahead, 3am in the morning. We stayed up watching in a hotel room and we had bought 100 cans of 2% Polar Ice.

• 15:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 15:01Speaker 03

  Which is a weak Hong Kong beer for the Asian market. And my god, we got trashed on it.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, how old were you?

• 15:09Speaker 03

  I would have been 15. And I threw up on Reece Cadman, who was passed out in a bathtub. Sorry about that, Reece, if you're listening. Not spoken to you for about 30 years, but sorry about that. 30 years, 20 years.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  On him passed out in the bathtub?

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Toilet was open goal, but I went, nah, fuck it.

• 15:23Speaker 04

  Cadman.

• 15:24Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Cadman's getting this.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  Sitting duck here.

• 15:28Speaker 03

  So, yeah, they were absolutely ploughing through it in the West. This is a frontier society. This is around the age of the kind of gold rush, I guess.

• 15:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Early 19th century. It's constantly moving.

• 15:36Speaker 04

  Red Dead Redemption time-ish.

• 15:38Speaker 03

  Maybe, a bit early perhaps. They're constantly moving west, the country. It's after the Louisiana Purchase.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  Right.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  So there's a lot of the Midwest to expand into. And it's such a part of society that wages are being paid in liquor.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  Children drinking age eight, I mean, that's, you know, that would be more fun.

• 15:57Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 15:57Speaker 03

  Play games would be more fun if they were actually pissed.

• 15:59Speaker 04

  You skip teenagehood, don't you? Or like being a child, almost.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  Well, the thing, what they say.

• 16:04Speaker 04

  Drinking at eight, you're sort of, you become an adult.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  What's funny is that, you know, they say there's a toddler stage, which kind of ends, you'd say, probably about five. And then people talk of this kind of golden era of being a parent, where it's between like six to sort of 11, where they still have the awe and the innocence, but they can do stuff, they're not as needy.

• 16:22Speaker 04

  They're not slamming doors saying, fuck you.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  But that's before that.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  But if you drink through it, you kind of lose the best bit.

• 16:28Speaker 04

  Yes, for sure.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  Where's it, Charlie?

• 16:28Speaker 05

  But then you kind of gain a mate, like a proper mate.

• 16:30Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, exactly.

• 16:32Speaker 05

  They'll be kind of, it's just like a man.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  A lightweight, though.

• 16:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  It'd be quite fun to have a side.

• 16:36Speaker 04

  Like a pissed man.

• 16:37Speaker 05

  Probably like grumbling in the kitchen.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, your nine-year-old's just hanging out his arse.

• 16:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. Just nine-year-old in the toilet like this, just fuck, oh.

• 16:51Speaker 03

  So you've got frontier cocktails, cock ale, which is an English tradition.

• 16:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:57Speaker 03

  This is when brewers would take a rooster, skin it, gut it, stomp on its bones. Then they put the smashed raw chicken into a canvas sack with raisins and nutmeg and put it in a cask of ale to ferment for a week.

• 17:07Speaker 04

  Every culture brings a different thing to their own cuisine and culture to America. You know, it's a melting pot. The Italians bring, you know, pizza, wine, all this sort of stuff. We bring smashed up chicken.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  Smashed up chickens in the beer.

• 17:18Speaker 04

  Stamped on chicken.

• 17:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. People believe that the chicken's animal proteins made the beer rich and restorative. I mean, I can imagine you falling for such a thing.

• 17:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, you want sponsored ads.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  I subscribe to Olive Oil. I mean, I'm not, I'm not throwing, I'm not throwing, you know.

• 17:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, they have me hooking in.

• 17:33Speaker 03

  Glass houses and stones and whatever.

• 17:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, the fact that it's like sort of stamped on and crushed down, that's especially barbaric.

• 17:38Speaker 03

  Is that us trying to make, do the French wine, smashing grapes, stamping on a chicken?

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Just sort of vaguely looking over the channel and seeing what they're doing.

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Oh, I get it, yeah. You get a chicken, ah, ah, ah.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Chucking it in a can of Carling.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  Now, alcohol is such a part of life that in 1794, Alexander Hamilton, is that the Hamilton of the musical that the gays won't stop going on about? No, I don't want to see it.

• 18:03Speaker 04

  And Surprising Straits.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Yes, well, that's why I don't want to see it.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  It's gay conversion therapy. It's straight conversion therapy, it's Hamilton. You go there, you go there as a straight man with a mortgage and you come out gay and defaulted on your loan payments.

• 18:16Speaker 04

  I mean, look what happened to Adam Rowe. I mean, the poor lad.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  Look at him. Look at him. He's now a cowboy, you know? He was a Liverpudlian working class man and he's now a gay cowboy because he saw Hamilton. Okay?

• 18:29Speaker 03

  You know?

• 18:30Speaker 04

  You can't risk what happens to you.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  You can't risk, I can't risk it.

• 18:33Speaker 04

  It's the siren call from the Odyssey, isn't it?

• 18:36Speaker 03

  It is.

• 18:38Speaker 04

  You have to go blind, so you don't. So you don't become a gay cowboy.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Exactly. I'm just tied to the pillar of the theatre going, no!

• 18:48Speaker 04

  You're just desperately trying to get out.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  I should say that our next episode will be joined by Jan Marco Sirozzi.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Lovey.

• 18:59Speaker 03

  Yes, a straight man somehow.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  Somehow, clinging on for dear life.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  I doubt that personally. I question that.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Sort of, I think he's a bit of a U-boat, you know? He's underneath straight waters.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  He's the most dangerous, yes he is, yeah. He's behind enemy lines. And we will, we will be outing him in the next episode.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  Which is a tradition we're going to start doing as we're getting guests on to Out of Life.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  Absolutely, absolutely.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  It's sort of like.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  I'm annoyed that we let Schofield go first.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, we're going to become the Chris Hansen, but it's just.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  Who are you here to meet? And he's both legal.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  On the podcast, who's on the podcast this week? I don't know, they were gay.

• 19:35Speaker 04

  But that would be awesome to do that.

• 19:36Speaker 03

  By the way, we only have gay guests.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  Concentral adult gay relationships. You catfish them. Who are you doing? Yeah, I'm openly gay.

• 19:43Speaker 03

  Oh, got you.

• 19:44Speaker 04

  He makes it.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, got you. So anyway, yes, Alexander Hamilton, is he president? He must be.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  Treasury Secretary, because he sets up all the finance stuff.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Right, they made a gay musical about the Treasury Secretary.

• 19:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Fucking hell.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  And then they woke it up.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Christ, I mean, where's, like, where's, you know, where's Balls, the musical? Where's Brown?

• 20:06Speaker 03

  Where's Kwateng?

• 20:07Speaker 04

  You've got to see Kwateng fucking railing Liz Truss.

• 20:10Speaker 03

  I would, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'd see that rap video of Truss's big bundle on the front of like a Ford Cortina.

• 20:17Speaker 04

  It's twerking on Kwateng.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  Oh dear, yeah. Where's Kwateng the musical? I'd watch that, I'd watch that, because you'd leave straight to them when you went in. Anyway.

• 20:28Speaker 04

  God bless him.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  God bless Kwangtang.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  What's Kwangtang doing? Is Kwangtang still in?

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Kwangtang's knocking about. Kwangtang's still got some ideas.

• 20:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think Kwangtang's quite bitter about how it all went down and he believed.

• 20:38Speaker 03

  Well, it was the deep state famously. He was, him and trust were flummoxed by the deep state.

• 20:42Speaker 04

  He's an interesting, if I was his career advisor, I don't know what, Kwangtang has a lot of options now because it's a bit of a hail mary situation. Like it can't get much worse. So I think really just throw it, I think conspiracy theorists, GB news, what's like, what does Kwangtang go for now? I don't know.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  I think male model, I think.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  Anyway, so yes, Alexander Hamilton, he is the Treasury Secretary and he proposes a federal tax on distilled spirits to help reduce the nation's debts. Because obviously they're bankrupt because they've left Britain.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  And so this essentially isolates many rural communities because whiskey was affection, affected their currency. And so resistance breaks out into a rebellion that was, rebels were organized under the fictional persona, Tom the Tinker, to intimidate fence sitters.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  Oh, good. Nothing more intimidating than Tom the Tinker.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  The Tinker Man's coming. Get off that fence. Not the Tinker Man!

• 21:41Speaker 04

  Not Tom the Tinker.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  So during, so basically they'd have tax collectors in local communities and be nighttime raids where male rebels wore cross-dressing, were cross-dressing, calling themselves Tom the Tinker's wives. This is very bawdy.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  You know, this is clearly a country that has.

• 21:57Speaker 04

  And what bathrooms are they using? So I don't know.

• 21:59Speaker 03

  Well, this is exactly, this is clearly a country that just doesn't know who it is anymore. You know, this is 20 years after they've left. Oh, let's just cross-dress. Well, hang on.

• 22:07Speaker 04

  They're working out, they're working out.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  You should be doing this under our roof still. So in 1794, thousands of armed farmers gather in Pennsylvania to burn property, openly defying federal authority, and it only gets shut down when George Washington himself, his president, leads 13,000 troops into the region to quash the rebellion. So he's actually the only sitting American president to have commanded soldiers in the field.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  But it's funny, this period of American history, you've got to remember, there are like, I didn't realise, there's not that, there's basically no one there.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  200 people.

• 22:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's literally no one there.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  It's why the American Revolution War isn't actually that.

• 22:38Speaker 04

  I heard something that, yeah, it's like, George Washington had like, built like a camp, early days, and that automatically became the third biggest city in America, basically. It's because it's like, there's like 15 people.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  Exactly. So when everyone's like, oh, when are you going to do the revolution war?

• 22:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:53Speaker 03

  The federal war shits on it.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. It doesn't have a great narrative either, really.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 22:56Speaker 04

  American Civil War, much better to be fair.

• 22:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  But the Revolutionary War is a bit fucking.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  I'm still fighting that one.

• 23:03Speaker 04

  With your playmobil.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  With my playmobil Confederate troops. Now, so America is, let's say it's a wet society. People be drinking, okay? However, when industrialization hits the country, suddenly this heavy drinking culture starts to become quite dangerous.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Andrew Loris for you sort of stuff.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly. It becomes a litigious culture immediately.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 23:28Speaker 03

  Alcohol starts to be tied to workplace accidents, violent crime, gambling and prostitution.

• 23:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:35Speaker 03

  This is quite an interesting side effect of the industrialization is that alcoholism is at this point in mid 19th century America, a sort of a male social problem.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, because women aren't allowed saloons.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  Women can't work or they choose not to. They are domestic beings.

• 23:56Speaker 04

  It seems like women in early America are just punching bags. It just seems like it's crazy.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  Well, listen, this is before boxing bags.

• 24:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 24:05Speaker 03

  Okay, this is before, you know, gyms.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  Yes, it's very easy with, you know, modern, you know, amenities to.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  It is. You go to a gym now and you see a punch bag, you go, brilliant, okay.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they didn't have that.

• 24:13Speaker 03

  My wife can stay at home.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  So women, basically prohibition kind of becomes a woman's issue.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  Because men are coming, men have got these.

• 24:22Speaker 04

  It's quite suffragettey actually a lot of that.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  Well, sadly, viewers, suffrage comes into the story. This issue that will not die, this political cockroach that won't go away. Women's suffrage.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, the question of the age, you'd say right now.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Today's age, still, I'm still fighting this, you know. Why?

• 24:39Speaker 04

  The issue of today.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  The issue of today, women's suffrage. I'm writing into my MP.

• 24:44Speaker 04

  Nothing's more divisive.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Well, how are you a woman?

• 24:49Speaker 03

  So, yeah, basically women's life in America, you're right, they're essentially punch bags. Their husbands go to work in factories and they drink, you know, whiskey basically for breakfast throughout the day.

• 25:01Speaker 04

  And the money they make in the factory, the women can't make because they can't work, and it's meant for them and their child. They spend in the salon getting drunk and then they come back and then punch them.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  They get, so.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  Allegedly.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  So imagine being at home, you can't work, you send your husband out to get money for your family. He brings no money back, but punches him in the face. You get paid, the money for that, what he brings to the table is a knuckle sandwich, that's what you're getting.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah, exactly.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  That's the payment.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  What's for dinner? Knuckle sandwich again. Right, brilliant. And obviously it's a, it's a, this is a huge time of immigration.

• 25:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  So, and, and you know, Germans have arrived, they brought their beer. Italians have brought their wine, the Irish bring their whiskey. So quite quickly, you know, this masculine immigrant.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  That's a domestic abuse triangle, that.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Well, it is.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  The Germans, Italians.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Germans, Italians and America, that's the Domestic Abuse Alliance. And this is the great thing of prohibition in that they're kind of pinning this all on booze.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 25:58Speaker 03

  So you know how you say like guns don't kill people, rappers do?

• 26:00Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  Beer doesn't hit women, Italians do.

• 26:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  You know, they basically think it's all the beer.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 26:07Speaker 03

  When it's like, no, no, these people are Mediterranean.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  You've misunderstood domestic violence.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:13Speaker 03

  It's a cultural phenomenon.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  You're actually, if they're not drunk, their aim will be better. So to be honest, it dulls the Italians home.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  Exactly, you know. It saves the kids.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  You know, unintended consequences.

• 26:30Speaker 04

  Exactly, yeah.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  You know, anyway.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  You just give yourself a head start.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  You do. These social hubs, these saloons, which are quite often hot, like sort of center of communities for immigrants.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 03

  There were banks, you know, they'd help people who just get off the boat.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  Where would the women hang out? Are they just at home?

• 26:46Speaker 03

  I think they just stay at home, knocking about at home.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  Right, being knocked about at home.

• 26:50Speaker 03

  Sorry, they're being knocked about at home. They're being rattled at home. And so moral reformers see these saloons as sort of dirty centers of male excess.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  Immigrants.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Immigrants, gambling, prostitution. There's quite a lot of venereal disease because people are, you know, they're fucking prostitutes in the saloon and then they come in home and they're giving their wife knuckle sandwiches, gonorrhea, chasers. So basically in the early 19th century, temperance societies start forming. And initially this, they're advocating for moderation rather than absence.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  But also this is part of the Protestant core of America because it's still a colourful melting pot, the original kind of.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  The disdain with which you said that. It's not a colourful melting pot.

• 27:32Speaker 04

  No, but like the kombucha mother of it all, right, the kind of.

• 27:36Speaker 03

  Except not that, but yeah.

• 27:37Speaker 04

  The like.

• 27:38Speaker 03

  The still water, the Glen.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  The kind of, the genesis of it is incredibly Puritan.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Calvinist at this point.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  Calvinist, dull people, that's the starting edge.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Well, it's people of the, on the Mayflower.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, because it's, I guess if, if there's always been anti-immigrant sentiment, even when there was 15 people in America, the first people to get there were Puritans in that sense.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  So they got there and then the next people off the boat, they're like, bloody hell, there's 20 people.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  So they kind of had the right of kind of first refusal.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  But it'd be interesting to talk to Jan Marco about this because I have a theory that basically America today, the struggles are four different centuries of Europeans fighting each other. And you've got Puritans from 17th century England.

• 28:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  Who are in the same country as like cosmopolitan Italians from the 20th century.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  And they have this, their opinions haven't changed or evolved.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  So that's why it's such a fuck country and that you've still got Cromwell, you know, the hicks are basically Cromwellian.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  And they're fighting like cosmopolitan Viennese cafe culture people and these guys. Anyway. So early temperance movements are basically driven by women and they are starting to portray alcohol as the source of every social problem. Maybe it's your stories, you know, what were they saying? What were they wearing? Anyway. Campaign literature starts to insist that alcohol causes child drunkards. To be fair, children are drinking beer at age. Epilepsy.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  What's this picture?

• 29:05Speaker 03

  This is the child drunkards. Is this like a sort of tarot card? What's in your future? The child drunkard.

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Which, who's the child? The child asleep? The baby asleep?

• 29:16Speaker 04

  Just pissed.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Pissed. Well, he looks fine. He looks absolutely fine.

• 29:20Speaker 04

  Leave him alone.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Why are they crying? Tony, the child drunkard. Tony's fine. Tony's asleep. Why are they crying?

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Tony's killing it.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  Tony's had a few, so he's had a few beers. Is that a crime, love? Yeah? Is that a crime? Can Tony not have a few pints after nursery and just go to bed?

• 29:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, so you know those dads take the selfie with their kids with the beers? It's that, but they drink the beers, basically.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 29:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, and don't take the selfies.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't really see the problem. It's anyway. It says, yeah, now this is quite funny. The, the women's temperance movement starts saying that alcohol consumption can cause spontaneous human combustion.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  So you just, I mean, Sandra will at some point just burst into flames.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  We should do the history of spontaneous human combustion.

• 30:00Speaker 03

  We should.

• 30:01Speaker 04

  On the Patreon at some point.

• 30:02Speaker 03

  I guess you'd have Quang Duck.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  Who's Quang?

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Quang Duck is the Buddhist monk in Vietnam.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  That's not spontaneous.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  I don't think he thought, it wasn't planned, was it?

• 30:10Speaker 04

  It was planned. It was very planned. It was a protest.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  I know it's a protest.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  That wasn't an accident.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  I know it's a protest.

• 30:15Speaker 04

  Did you think it was a freak accident?

• 30:16Speaker 03

  No. I know it's a protest. I know it's self-immolation.

• 30:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  But I don't know how, I think like he woke up.

• 30:22Speaker 04

  Autorotic self-immolation.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  I think he woke up that day really horny and autorotically self-immolated.

• 30:26Speaker 05

  Come, I'm going to Boston.

• 30:28Speaker 03

  Sorry?

• 30:28Speaker 05

  Come, I'm going to Boston.

• 30:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Spontaneous combustion.

• 30:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:32Speaker 03

  You know what, Charlie? That was, speed wise, that was, that was there. I think that's the first time you've said a pun as, at the right time.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  Normally you say it about now, but three minutes later.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, when we're talking about something else.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  Talking about something completely else. Anyway, the Women's Christian Temperance Union is founded in 1874.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  The WCTU.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  WCTU.

• 30:53Speaker 04

  As people will know more.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  People will know that, you know. And this lot, you know, these, these girls are absolute shaggers, you know, this, these are top class girls.

• 31:01Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  They're a laugh.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  They're funny. They, no, they're the opposite of that.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  These are some chewy broads.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  Difficult pints.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Difficult pints. I mean, yeah, well, there's no, it's water.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  No pints more difficult.

• 31:15Speaker 03

  No pints. Lips that touch whiskey are lips that will never touch mine.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  Fine with me.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  Keep on walking, love. Yeah?

• 31:25Speaker 03

  I don't want your whiskeyless lips, right? You look boring as shit.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  So women still lack the right to vote.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  Okay. And so what people start thinking is they go, we're never going to be able to.

• 31:36Speaker 04

  It's all right, it's a privilege, but go on.

• 31:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Yes, it's earned, okay? It's earned through being fun to hang around with. Who do I want to hang out with in the polling booth? Not you. We've dealt with this issue. How are we still talking about this in 2026?

• 31:55Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  You know, we've dealt with this issue. Anyway, so women basically realise that their lives as punchbags, you know, they don't have any, as I said at some point, I can't remember what series, they are legally, they are essentially their husband's fridge.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, men and women, it's booze bags and punch bags. That's what the whole point is.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  Exactly. Can a man not hit his fridge?

• 32:14Speaker 03

  You know, the fridge is making weird noises, give it a tap. So they think that alcohol is essentially a woman's issue.

• 32:22Speaker 04

  Right.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  Because wives and children bear the consequences of male drinking. Although Tony, the child drunk on, looks fine. All right? Tony's sleeping.

• 32:31Speaker 04

  Tony can come out with us.

• 32:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I give Tony the vote. Yeah. What's he voting for?

• 32:38Speaker 03

  They've got Tony to go to sleep. Sleep, you think you crack sleep and then they have another development leap and it goes out the window.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. Beer kind of covers all of that.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  Smooths the edges of child development. Okay. What is it, Charlie?

• 32:51Speaker 05

  How early do kids learn to be rude to their mums at this point? Because is it?

• 32:56Speaker 04

  Pretty early, I think.

• 32:56Speaker 05

  They basically just immediately disrespect.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  Well, if they're having three pints after nursery, I reckon they're being quite salty. Time for bed. Oh, fuck off, would you?

• 33:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  I'm gonna stay up watching Bundesliga highlights. Fuck off.

• 33:08Speaker 06

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• 33:25Speaker 03

  Groups of women now start protesting. They start, it's a platform for political activism. And so what they do is they march through towns carrying bibles. Again, this is during the time of the Second Great Awakening, where America's Protestantism starts to become more sort of outward looking and social.

• 33:47Speaker 04

  Is it called the Second Great Awakening?

• 33:48Speaker 03

  Yes, it is. Yeah.

• 33:49Speaker 04

  Is there a third one?

• 33:50Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  What's the First Great Awakening?

• 33:52Speaker 03

  I guess when they arrive. I don't know. But basically, American Protestantism in this age starts to take on this kind of social good. I guess it's more Methodist, maybe.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  They kneel outside pubs, praying, singing hymns and begging customers to go home.

• 34:07Speaker 04

  Begging.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  I mean, it's a bit of a boner kill, isn't it?

• 34:09Speaker 04

  So they sort of like doing like anti-abortion rallies outside abortion clinics, but instead it's outside the pub.

• 34:14Speaker 03

  God hates pints. Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  Westboro Baptist church outside the pub. Fuck off, would you? But again, it's a bit of a boner kill. Yeah. It still exists, by the way, the WCTU, and it's the oldest non-sectarian women's organisation in the world.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  I see who runs it, right, today?

• 34:30Speaker 03

  Let's have a look at the current WCTU website. And is it prescribed as a terrorist organisation? Let's have a look. Oh my God, the hairstyles haven't got better.

• 34:39Speaker 05

  Mary Lee, pal.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Mary Lee, rise up and build.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  They want prohibition back.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  To be fair, but this is like, you know, what's he called? Huberman stuff.

• 34:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  Isn't it? It's all coming back around.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  It's coming back. It's true.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  Now, Carrie Nation is also known as the woman with the hatchet. Who?

• 34:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, we've just got a photo of her up here.

• 35:01Speaker 04

  Now, what's she so pleased about?

• 35:02Speaker 03

  I can't think of anyone I'd like to have a pint with less, actually, than Carrie Nation.

• 35:06Speaker 04

  I don't know about that.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Really?

• 35:08Speaker 04

  Look at that devilish smile.

• 35:10Speaker 03

  I do think she's got some good jokes about Chinaman in her head, rattling around.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  She looks like she's got, she's prepping for some accents, for sure.

• 35:17Speaker 03

  Now, she is a self-described bulldog running beside Jesus.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  Jesus' bulldog. Now, her first husband had suffered from severe alcoholism and died a year into their marriage.

• 35:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  And so she claims that in 1900, she had received a direct message from God instructing her to destroy saloons. So she basically goes on like a pub crystal nap and she smashes bottles and mirrors and furniture with a fucking axe.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  Kind of terrifying.

• 35:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, the saloon smasher on the warpath.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  And she refers to these raids as hatchetations. So she'd storm bars shouting Bible verses.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Does she have any backup or is it just like a John Wick sort of stuff?

• 35:56Speaker 03

  John Wick, but it's all pints.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  Now, her mother had suffered from delusions and convinced she was Queen Victoria. And so there was a history of mental illness in the family. Really? That woman smashing pubs up with an axe?

• 36:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  Anyway, she was, as the suffragettes were, exceptionally good at propaganda. And so she, you know, you could get souvenir hatchets and signed photographs. People would tend to her.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  And America, that you can go a long way with merch.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  You know.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  It's about, you know how World War Two is about the factories? American politics is about merch, really.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Yes, it is.

• 36:30Speaker 04

  It is merch. I mean, Make America Great Again.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 36:33Speaker 04

  They just won the merch war.

• 36:34Speaker 03

  Close the pubs. Now, she's generating publicity. She's kind of a, you'd say she's an Emily Davidson extremist. She's a pub terrorist.

• 36:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, a summer bin laundry.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  A summer bin laundry and strikes again. The fanny band are back at it. Meanwhile, the Anti-Saloon League.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  Fuck it, sorry. Emily, mate, this is favourite alcoholic drink is a dirty vodka martini. Of course it is, you minx.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Fuck.

• 36:56Speaker 04

  You absolute minx.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  Dirty.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  You just know the way she orders it as well.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  Can I have a dirty vodka martini?

• 37:04Speaker 04

  Well, now I'm dirty because I've soiled myself.

• 37:09Speaker 04

  Oh bloody hell, fucking hell, I've got olive brine in my pants now.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  Barman, changing his right. Someone else is gonna have to serve her. Um, clapped. She mentioned that after wrapping up a long and exhausting night presenting Newsnight, her go-to ritual at home was a simple vodka on ice. Fuck, she's a classy woman.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  She's a classy woman.

• 37:30Speaker 03

  So, interesting. This is interesting. This is the birth of political lobbying. I didn't know this.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  That's interesting.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  So the Anti-Saloon League, they were a single-issue thing. And so they basically judge politicians on whether they support alcohol restrictions. And this is the birth of American.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  It's like AIPAC.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, but for booze. Yeah. So this is the birth of American lobbying.

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  So, you know, industrialists.

• 37:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, I can tell Charlie's gonna go on because his mouth has never been more open these days.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Taste the pun in the air.

• 38:03Speaker 05

  All pints are cracking.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  All pints are cracking, AIPAC. Yeah. No, then there are anti-pints.

• 38:08Speaker 05

  All pints are crap.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  There you go. This is, this is in 1893. Should we place this?

• 38:14Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Hitler's four years old.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah, that's nice.

• 38:18Speaker 03

  Hitler's four years old.

• 38:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, but what's it before? So it's before.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  How old is Paula Hitler? Is Paula Hitler younger or older than Adolf? Not been born yet.

• 38:25Speaker 04

  So this is before, this is after Adolf.

• 38:28Speaker 03

  Before Paula. Our patrons know where they are.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  But it was the birth year of Edmund.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Sorry. Who's Edmund Hitler?

• 38:36Speaker 04

  Who is Edmund?

• 38:37Speaker 03

  Who's, who's the other Hitler boy?

• 38:39Speaker 04

  The other Hitler brother.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  I'm watching that film.

• 38:44Speaker 03

  Pause the prohibition for a second.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  New episode title.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  New episode title. Edmund Hitler, the forgotten Hitler.

• 38:51Speaker 04

  Died, he died of measles at 1900. What could have been?

• 38:54Speaker 03

  Edmund died at age of five from measles. Adolf, who loved him dearly, was greatly affected by this, beginning to talk to trees.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  Well, there's just so much we don't know about Hitler and his motivations and psychological. Edmund Hitler, he lost a brother.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  So maybe it's all process in the grief.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  Maybe that whole time he was just looking for a mate.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  It's a very moving story, actually.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  It is.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  It's about brotherly love.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  It is, yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  The Hitler story.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  Gosh. Paula, Edmund, say their names.

• 39:24Speaker 04

  Love is pain.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Minute's silence, please, for Edmund Hitler. The Hitler we never got to know.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  So who's supporting prohibition? Industrialists, Rockefeller, Ford, they want sober workers.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  Yes, of course.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  And so by the end, by the early 20th century, it's basically, it's women, business leaders, tough pints like Carrie Nation.

• 39:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  And interestingly, their first appearance on the pod, friends of the pod,

• 39:53Speaker 03

  the Ku Klux Klan.

• 39:56Speaker 03

  Someone commented on Instagram recently saying the Clueless Klux, Clueless Cucks Klan, which I really enjoyed.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  That's good, that's good.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  They are funny, our approach.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  I listened to something about the Ku Klux Klan. I can't wait to do them because they're phenomenally thick.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  It's awesome. It's awesome.

• 40:12Speaker 04

  The rankings of the Ku Klux Klan is, there's like genies, wizards. It's like completely.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  They're all wearing sorting hats. It's Harry Potter.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  It's literally like a racist Harvey Price.

• 40:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  So you've got Grand Cyclops, Grand Titan, Grand Dragon, Grand Wizards, uh, ghouls. Yeah, it's basically, um, it's like

• 40:29Speaker 04

  We need to save this because this is such good stuff.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, we will. We will do a series on the KKK.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  Such good stuff.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Anyway, they use prohibition to kind of, they've been sort of defeated, I think, before this. And they've come back and they use prohibition as

• 40:43Speaker 04

  They've had many different, like

• 40:44Speaker 03

  Phases.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  Phases, yeah.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. But anyway, they come back on the backs of sort of the temperance movement.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  And of the back of Birth of a Nation.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 40:51Speaker 04

  One of the first big Hollywood films.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  Exactly. So they basically form this alliance with the temperance movement, the tough pints and the women.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 40:59Speaker 03

  Because they're like, uh, we hate booze because men hit women when they're drunk. And the KKK are like, oh, yeah, sure.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, sure.

• 41:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  And also everyone that drinks is Jewish or Italian. Because the KKK are anti-Italian at this point.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  So, so the women are trying to splurge at the pubs because they're at drinking places. And they're trying to blow up the pubs because there's Italians and Jews in there.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  And it's like, well, we should

• 41:22Speaker 03

  It's called centres. You know, it's triangulation.

• 41:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  You know?

• 41:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  So the KKK view alcohol as un-American.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  They want to break the pubs while the people are still in there. That's the difference.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  Exactly. Yeah. The women want to get everyone out of the pub. And they're like, no, no, no, keep them in there and bomb the whole thing.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  So they think it's a Catholic and Jewish immigrant problem.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:41Speaker 03

  And the women think it's a male problem.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Anyway, World War One kicks off 1914, and this kind of puts the whole thing on rocket boosters because a lot of American breweries are German. Papst Bleach and Schlitz, um, Budweiser, Cronenberg, essentially.

• 41:57Speaker 04

  That sounds like what Hitler, when he's asking to leave, every, pat, boosh, Schlitz.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  So Germans are basically being lynched, uh, in America, uh, because they think, uh, but like beer

• 42:11Speaker 04

  Big lager owners.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  Because they're seen as like, it's seen as supporting the enemy.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, because lager was only just invented in Germany, I think, in the 1880s, I want to say.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:20Speaker 04

  Because, and lager means cave because they just, they just kept it in a cold place.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  All the breweries in the Midwest is there's lots of caves and it's the, the chalk is all the right, whatever sediment. Anyway.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, lagering.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  Because grain rationing was in place, alcohol production seemed quite wasteful.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:36Speaker 03

  And so suddenly beer drinking is unpatriotic. And so this campaign kind of gathers astonishing speed. And in January 1919, the Eighteenth Amendment is ratified, which, uh, basically bans

• 42:51Speaker 04

  Probably without this, without World War One and the anti-German sentiment, prohibition wouldn't have got over the line. This was probably the thing that pushed it over the line.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:59Speaker 04

  Surprisingly.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  But then it's the same, the same in Britain. World War One basically gives women the vote.

• 43:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  So it's ratified in 1919. It comes into place in 1920, January 1920. This officially bans the manufacture, sale and transportation of intoxicating liquor. So prohibition, it comes into force January 1920, and they have funerals for all the pints, basically. They just pour beer into, um, it's the sewer and everyone, uh, stands around, um,

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Takes their hat off.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  Temperance groups stage mock funerals, uh, as a kind of satire.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  Have I got news for you stuff.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, mock funerals for John Barleycorn.

• 43:35Speaker 05

  Have I got booze for you?

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Have I got booze for you? You see, you can do it.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  It's good.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  You can do it.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  Can we ever look at John Barleycorn? So was this the sort of boogeyman for the booze man?

• 43:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's not a very savage age, satirically. Anyone up for a couple of pints of John Barleycorn later?

• 43:51Speaker 04

  Who are you?

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Who'd you go out with?

• 43:52Speaker 04

  John Barleycorn?

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Who'd you go out with last night? Well, let's just say that me and John Barleycorn had a great time. Yeah, I was drinking by myself again. Yeah. So they had a, what is it?

• 44:00Speaker 05

  Do you like meeting strangers in the pub or do you prefer to stick to your own?

• 44:03Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't really like meeting people full stop, I think.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  You're sort of, you're done now, right?

• 44:07Speaker 03

  I'm done. I'm so done.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  You've, you've, you've got all the people you want to meet now.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Anyone else is just a burden. Just another fucking WhatsApp group I've got to be in.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  No, thanks.

• 44:17Speaker 04

  You're creaking under the amount of social pressures you have at the moment.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  Genuinely, uh, WhatsApps, I'm just running away from it like a coward. Everyone's asking me stuff, ignoring it.

• 44:25Speaker 05

  What about like a kind, sad old man, but who was quite gentle about it, but offered to play darts? And he looked like he really wanted to, but he wasn't.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  No.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  I don't think so.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  No.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  I mean, I, I'm mixed. Some of them are in the mood for it, but a lot of the time I'm not. I imagine you give everyone their time.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Everyone I don't know, it's a, it's, it's a transaction.

• 44:44Speaker 04

  Right.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  What do they want? No, I don't want to give to you. Go away. They're basically, it's people, I've got friends, I've got colleagues, and then it's big issue sellers. That's how I see the world.

• 44:53Speaker 04

  Right.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  So like, oh, how are you, mate? Oh, yeah, no, really good. No, that's my kind of, that's my range.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  Socially.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  The bandwidth.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  That's my bandwidth. Yeah. Now, as a side note, they had a derogatory word contest.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  Uh-oh.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  I'm listening. I'm like to apply to be world champion to invent a new derogatory word for people who drank in violation of the amendment.

• 45:18Speaker 04

  So they don't really, I guess these are people who don't understand fun at all.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:22Speaker 04

  So that them trying to, to like, win this propaganda battle, showing that they're fun as well, it just doesn't really come out well.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  No. So they wanted a word that would shame people like scab or slacker.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  Out of 25,000 entries.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, a slur. Is this public?

• 45:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a slur competition. Why are we not doing slur contests anymore?

• 45:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  There's a, there's a $200 prize, three and a half grand in today's money for a new slur.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Scofflaw.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Scofflaw.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  So they're just really, they just don't get it.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  No, because they're sober people. It's not funny, you know? Scoffing at the law. Ha ha. That'll show them. You scoff law.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, as if that's going to hurt you, the fact that you scoff at the law. I mean, that really is.

• 46:03Speaker 03

  You say that with a hard W. You know, it's not, it's not a slur. Scofflaw.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, these are pretty straight lice people.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  It gets called the Volstead Act because that, he was the senator who actually put it through. But quite quickly, uh, everyone starts finding workarounds. So medicinal whiskey prescriptions are still allowed.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  Like medicinal cannabis, basically.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  Basically.

• 46:25Speaker 04

  I got chronic pain. I'm going to get pissed.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. And so, uh, suddenly the pharmaceutical industry starts to explode.

• 46:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 46:33Speaker 03

  So the amount of pharmacies in America goes up by, I don't know how many.

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Because suddenly I was like, oh, that's where you go.

• 46:38Speaker 04

  Walgreens went from 400, there's four shops to 400 shops.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  Because they were like, oh, brilliant. Well, yeah, I know I'm, I've got pain actually.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 03

  I've got long COVID. Can I have a pint?

• 46:48Speaker 03

  It doesn't criminalise consumption or possession.

• 46:51Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 46:51Speaker 03

  Wine manufacturers start selling bricks of grape juice.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  And on the bottle it says, warning, don't add two litres of water and three cups of sugar and leave this in the cupboard for several weeks because it'll turn into wine.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 47:03Speaker 03

  Wink.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  That is kind of cool.

• 47:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  That's like Beethoven's brother advertising, uh, I wouldn't do this for you.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  Religious exemptions allow churches access to wine, so bootleggers would fabricate congregations and then pose as, uh, clergy. So, uh, in 1931, while visiting New York, Churchill, uh, forgot to look, uh, the right for oncoming traffic. Gets hit by a car going 35 miles an hour, um, and he suffers head wounds and cracked ribs. And his doctor prescribes him a minimum of, uh, six shots of spirit a day, especially at mealtimes.

• 47:40Speaker 04

  And do you think he pushed back on that at all?

• 47:42Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I think he was absolutely fine. That'll do nicely.

• 47:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  It's funny because I've, uh, not to brag, but I've, um,

• 47:49Speaker 04

  Knocked over a fat man at 35 miles an hour.

• 47:53Speaker 03

  I've also hit a fat man down at 35 miles an hour. No, I was going to say 35 miles an hour in a car is quite, feels quite slow.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  Right.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  But on a jet ski, it feels fucking awesome.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Yes. Yeah. Cause you've got all the spray.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Hold on, to, to take us out. What's that, Charlie?

• 48:09Speaker 05

  If Stephen Hawking drove into you on his mobility scooter, it would take either exactly one Stephen Hawking, under the right conditions, or tens of thousands of impact.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Now, that's an interesting from AI. It's given us two very interesting options.

• 48:20Speaker 03

  It then says, to understand why, we can look at the physics of a collision with Stephen Hawking's famous BEC mobility motorized wheelchair. And the legendary rumour that he used it to weaponise toe crushing against his enemies.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  I don't know this rumour.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  I've never heard that rumour.

• 48:39Speaker 04

  Legendary rumour.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  What do you mean weaponised toe? What, he'd go on people's feet? Also, who, who are Stephen Hawking's enemies?

• 48:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  Religious figures?

• 48:46Speaker 04

  The more I find out about him, the more, the more of a

• 48:48Speaker 03

  This guy was a fucking lad.

• 48:50Speaker 04

  I know. He could sit a fucking shagging, crushing toes.

• 48:55Speaker 03

  Famously the subject of a long-running rumour that he used his motorised wheelchair to intentionally run over the toes of people he disliked. He accidentally rolled over Prince Charles's toes while demonstrating how his wheelchair spun around in 1977. Observers joked the manoeuvre wasn't an accident.

• 49:09Speaker 04

  His dream target was Thatcher. Wow.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  So Thatcher had to, had to deal with the IRA. She had to deal with, with Hawking running over her feet.

• 49:18Speaker 05

  You would hate him. The look on his face after he did it would, would piss you off.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, he doesn't have much of a choice.

• 49:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, but can you like the

• 49:25Speaker 03

  He's just trying to play footsie, to be fair to him.

• 49:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  I mean, how's he flirt?

• 49:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, he is, he is literally Beethoven's brother forever.

• 49:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, they should call it Beethoven brother syndrome.

• 49:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:34Speaker 04

  He's got BBS.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, look at him there.

• 49:40Speaker 03

  Watch out, you're a thief.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  If you just had your toes crunched by this guy, that would piss me off.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  Oh, man. Yeah. No, he's going in the canal if he does that.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's like a lime bike. He goes

• 49:51Speaker 03

  I mean, he is half lime bike, isn't he? Get him with the shopping trolleys in the fucking canal if he does that. No, thank you. Anyway, in the next episode, uh, Boozer's Outlaws, what happens next? Gianmarco Sarezi, uh, a, uh, somehow a straight man.

• 50:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  We'll be, we'll be outing him on the, in the next episode.

• 50:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, who are you here to meet?

• 50:11Speaker 03

  Who are you here to meet? Not me.

• 50:13Speaker 04

  Who are you here to eat? Yeah.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  No. And, uh, we will be getting into bootleggers, speakeasies, organised crime and the roaring twenties. That's already on the Patreon, uh, where for, uh, three pounds a month, you get early access. And, uh, if not, we'll see you next time for the continuation of the American Saudi story. Goodbye for now.

• 50:50Speaker 06

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