#588 - One Hundred and Pourteen Charges

There’s a dark cloud hanging over today’s show. And that’s not an oncoming radiation cloud a la Nevile Shute. John is in desperate need of David Pannick KC. Simply put, the integrity of a decade of Made Up Games now has questions over it. And Robins is defiant. Is there now an asterisk over ever ‘win’ John has accumulated when he has ground Elis’s dignity into the dirt? What was he getting away with before the days of fully visualised podcasts? Is John simply a sham player? The boys also taste meringues. For the meringue visuals get yourself over to the Instagram! If you've got any more information for the independent commission then send it to [email protected] For lots of exclusive EJJR #content, join our Patreon at patreon.com/elisandjohn. For weekly visual highlights, head to youtube.com/@elisandjohn. For everything else, head to elisandjohn.com. Elis James & John Robins is a Significant Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Before we start this episode, we want to invite you along to the adventures of Ellis and John.

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• 0:26Speaker 01

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• 2:44Speaker 01

  Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Elis, James and John Robins Show. And I'm delighted to say that Ellis, after the clocks have gone back, is debuting his autumn collection.

• 2:54Speaker 00

  Yes, I've become autumn now and I've started layering.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  You're a pastel Percy.

• 3:00Speaker 00

  I am.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  I never thought I would see the day that Ellis was a pastel Percy.

• 3:05Speaker 00

  No, I've always been Mr Blue and Grey.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's wearing a lovely, sort of, what would you call that? A damson blush?

• 3:14Speaker 00

  The official, the official colour is rose.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  No, that's not rose, my arse. That's damson blush.

• 3:21Speaker 00

  That's what the lady in the shop said.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Rose?

• 3:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  She wants her eyes looking at.

• 3:26Speaker 00

  She told me, and this is the reason I bought it, because she said, I think the rose makes your eyes pop. And I said, I'll take it and I'll take another six.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  They do make your eyes pop, but, uh, quick straw poll. Zoff, rose or damson blush?

• 3:43Speaker 00

  Or mauve.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  Damson blush. Michael, yeah, thumbs up for DB, Dave.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  Okay, all right, it's done. I thought mauve was

• 3:51Speaker 01

  It's damson blush!

• 3:52Speaker 00

  Mauve was close.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Mauve?

• 3:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Do you not remember my performance in the made-up game where we had to name paint styles?

• 3:58Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. It's not far off mauve, John, if you think about it.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  It's not far off mauve. I'd say mauve blush.

• 4:04Speaker 00

  No, I like damson blush. There's a, there's a, there's a, something nice to that. If you could keep talking, I might try and find on the website and see what they say, but I'm convinced that they were saying rose. I'm honestly, it's, um...

• 4:18Speaker 02

  It's a withered rose, I would say.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  Withered? They withered into it.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Did they say withered rose by any chance?

• 4:24Speaker 00

  No, they didn't. It makes it sound like it's factory seconds. Are they the withered ones?

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Rotten blossom.

• 4:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like, sort of, stinking dead compost flower.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Blood on compost.

• 4:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Um, so yeah, Ellis is looking very handsome.

• 4:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Dave's looking fresh as a fiddle.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Um, and I'm, I'm just the same. I'm just me.

• 4:47Speaker 00

  No, what are you on about? You, you always look good.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Uh, well, I'm not, no, I've seen, I've seen me in some real tight squeaks.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Especially recently.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Really? No, your skin's looking good.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Thank you very much. It's just the result of a punishing skincare regime.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  Have you figured it out, do you think?

• 5:07Speaker 01

  You never figure out your skin.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  No.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  I was, I was looking for some cream the other day and, um, the comments underneath, there was like 100 one-star reviews saying, "Bring back the, the Light brand. This reformulation is, aggravates my skin. Bring it back. Why won't you listen to us?"

• 5:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  It's difficult because you find something that fits, they change the formula. They, they only release it in 10ml, so it lasts a morning.

• 5:35Speaker 00

  I got eczema when I was a student and the old-fashioned Aquius cream was the one.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Mmm.

• 5:42Speaker 00

  And then they just stopped making it. The new one was really thin.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:45Speaker 00

  I was like, thanks. What, where do I go now?

• 5:48Speaker 01

  But I do now cleanse at night with my cellar water.

• 5:52Speaker 00

  Cellar water? That sounds quite religious. It sounds like some

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Yes, well, and also I get

• 5:57Speaker 00

  Something you do in a sarcophagus.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  No, I get a priest. Because they say you can use a little cotton pad, but I get a priest to dash it on my face.

• 6:05Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, of course.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  And then I wipe it off with sacred robes.

• 6:08Speaker 00

  How long's it take? How long's it take you?

• 6:11Speaker 01

  He's very old.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  About 15 to 20 minutes.

• 6:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, it takes him that long to get up the stairs.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  And then you let him sleep over because it's late at night.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  He sleeps in a hammock in the loft.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  With a gliss-glis?

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Yes. Um, so, yeah, so, yeah, skin's a positive.

• 6:31Speaker 00

  Do you find it's better in the summer because you get in the sun? Where everything I, like, when I, when I had eczema as a student, it would always clear up once I was getting a bit of vitamin D from the sun. So by sort of June, it was, it had gone and then it would be, it would remain gone until about November.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Well, it depends which of my overlapping conditions you're referring to.

• 6:53Speaker 00

  Like, if you went on a beach holiday?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  That won't ever happen.

• 6:56Speaker 00

  All right, then, okay. If you went on a walking holiday during the summer in a hot country.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Okay. Um, apparently it's meant to, it's meant to help some elements. I didn't know that it helped eczema. It helps, uh, psoriasis gets, is good, the sun's good for psoriasis.

• 7:12Speaker 00

  Oh, is it?

• 7:13Speaker 01

  I mean, do not take this as medical information.

• 7:16Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Um, but there's a lad at uni who had quite bad psoriasis and whenever the sun came out, he'd cover himself in olive oil and sit in the car.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  That's, no, that is a lot of advice.

• 7:26Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  But it sorted it out.

• 7:28Speaker 00

  It sorted him out and is he still with us?

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Yes, he's still with us.

• 7:32Speaker 00

  Great, he's still with us.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, but I think you can use tanning beds for psoriasis.

• 7:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, really?

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, oh my God, if you've got skin problems, don't talk about it near your phone because you don't half get hawked a lot of absolute crap on Instagram.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I've got, I've got a skin condition called keratosis pilaris, which Hannah always says sounds like the Harry Potter, like a Harry Potter spell.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  It sounds like a spell?

• 7:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 7:57Speaker 02

  It's just bumpy skin. So I've got it on the backs of my arms. A lot of people have it, but you kind of have, like, it's basically like hair follicle.

• 8:01Speaker 00

  Let's have a look, Dave.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  But in the summer, it get, keratosis pilaris gets better. And shout out to all my KPers out there.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Shout out to the KPers.

• 8:08Speaker 00

  I thought you were gonna say shout out to the sun.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  No, well, I've shouted out to the sun.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Shout out to the sun.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  It's our biggest friend and our worst foe, the sun, anyways.

• 8:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, you had to spoil it at the end, didn't you? By saying it was our worst foe. But yes, it is both.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  Um, uh, but yeah, you don't half get, like, videos going, "For 50 years, trained dermatologists have been researching this skin condition, but we've put seaweed in shampoo."

• 8:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's so true.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  And seaweed is natural and it comes from the sea.

• 8:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it'll be fine.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  It'll be fine. Um, but it's a, it's a mixed bag and a rich tapestry. And nature does have many gifts, but again, like the sun, it also contains poisons, toxins, sludge, mud and gravel and poo. So not everything natural is necessarily good for your skin.

• 9:02Speaker 00

  No.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  In conclusion.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Anyway, you're looking good.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  Thanks, Dave. So, Dave, you're back from your Hollybobs.

• 9:12Speaker 02

  I am. I went away for a few days to Centre Parks, down the road.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  How was it?

• 9:17Speaker 02

  It's good fun. It's good. They do know what they're doing.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  They know exactly. Well, they wouldn't want someone who didn't know what they were doing running a holiday park.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  Do you know who doesn't know what they're doing?

• 9:25Speaker 00

  That sounds like a programme I'd end up on on Channel Five.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  Zoff, can you pass my phone, please? Do you know who doesn't know what they're doing? My wife, when it comes to you.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Oh, shots fired.

• 9:36Speaker 00

  There he goes. Because I would say that, sort of, in terms of status, you've got a slightly different platform to her. So she can complain to her year ten students, you're complaining to the nation.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  And Hannah did a fantastic job of packing for, because, let's face it, she did.

• 9:51Speaker 00

  That sounds like what you say about a striker you're about to put on the transfer market. He's done a great job. Nine goals in six years, to be honest. It's not the return we look for, but he's done an awful lot of work off the ball.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  So she did a fantastic job. Now, would you say there's anything wrong with this? I'll show it to you first, John. What are you seeing there?

• 10:09Speaker 01

  Dave is showing me a picture of a bottle of Original Source Coconut and Sheer Butter Shower Gel, but it's had some, it's not coconut and shea butter. That's been removed. The empty bottle has been filled with a blue liquid, which I'm going to guess is not body wash. Could it be toothpaste?

• 10:32Speaker 02

  No, it's not toothpaste. It's, so I'm showing it Ellis as well.

• 10:36Speaker 00

  Is it food colouring?

• 10:37Speaker 02

  No, it's not. So she put into a Shower Gel bottle, because I'm still not sure why, because we have, we have other vessels that she could have put it in. But that's clothes washing detergent. So that's what you would put in your washing machine.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:56Speaker 02

  Now, in the.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Why is she taking that to Centre Parks?

• 10:59Speaker 02

  Because we needed to do a bit of washing in the bath to get the trunks cleaned for two days' time.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  In your house?

• 11:07Speaker 02

  In the chalet.

• 11:08Speaker 00

  That's classic kid stuff.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, do you do that?

• 11:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Because I sometimes wonder, we could just put it on the radiator and go again the next day.

• 11:15Speaker 00

  God, this is chlorine.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  It's just chlorine. But Hannah's.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Ellis, don't let on to the listeners that you know this, but Dave soiled his trunks on the, on the big slide.

• 11:26Speaker 00

  It's a dead, dead scare.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  They had to, they had to close it.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  And that's the best bit to Centre Park.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  She knew this would happen, so she bought, she bought this.

• 11:33Speaker 00

  You saw yourself every time, didn't you?

• 11:35Speaker 02

  Because you find it so scary. We also love being scared. No, the cyclone is blooming scary, let me tell you. Let me tell you. Anyway, I saw day two as an opportunity to have a bath.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  And I thought, I'll just jump it, because it's a lovely big bath. And I grabbed the coconut with shea butter. And I had a good old lather. And I did that for two days straight. And it was on day three, she says, where's the, where's the detergent for the clothes? And I said, I don't think we bought any detergent for the clothes. She goes, I have, I've put it, you know, it's that, that bright blue stuff that's in, that's in the, the Original Source Coconut.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  That I've not labelled.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  That I've not labelled. Thanks, John. So it turns out I was, I was washing in washing machine detergent for two days.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  Probably okay.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  I felt fine. It smells great for starters.

• 12:23Speaker 00

  Did it affect your skin?

• 12:25Speaker 02

  No, no more than the KP already does, Ellis.

• 12:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't know. I think if I was showering in dats.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  I think if I knew what it was, you'd probably go, this isn't lathering up as I would expect it to on my hair.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  It would be lathering even more. You would use it on your hair.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  He's on everything.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Shower gel on your hair.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, sometimes. I couldn't be bothered getting back out.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Or I'd be in absolute bits if I used Shower Gel on my hair.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  And you thought to yourself, God, I smelled very strongly of clean t-shirts.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  But my t-shirts were clean anyway, so you're just not sure what you're smelling of at that point.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  You could also kill two birds with one stone and just bathe in all your clothes. And then you're doing, doing both, you know, just sort of rummage around with yourself.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  Good point. But it did the job. But I would, I would proffer, if you're gonna put your washing machine detergent in something. Don't put it in the Original Source Coconut with Shea Butter Shower Gel.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  I would have thought a parent would be used to labelling, sort of, when liquids are moving from different vessels in order to stop, you know, when you, when you're taking.

• 13:27Speaker 00

  He's made a good point there.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  When you're taking your hydrochloric acid in the, in the sort of fruit shoot bottles.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  She also said she told me what she was doing at home. I don't remember hearing that.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  Oh, I need to be told at least six times. The amount of times Izzy will say, but I'm going out then, I'm going out with Chris. I'm like, what? She'll say, I have told you. I'll say, you need to tell me more.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  Was I looking at you in the eyes?

• 13:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, I wasn't listening. No, God, no.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Isn't it in The Simpsons where Marge says everything three times? Because you remember if you say it out loud three times.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Oh, is that right?

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Anyway, apparently I saw, either, either way, a small drama, a part of a much happier trip.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  And you came straight from Centre Parks to here, didn't you?

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Woburn, if you get to.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  Woburn, that's an amazing golf course in Woburn.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Is there?

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Woburn's nice, actually. If you get, I think it's Flitwick or Flitwell, Flit, Flits. It begins with Flit, and it's three minutes from Woburn.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  Do you know where it gets you into? Farringdon. Gets you straight into Farringdon.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Blimmin' eh?

• 14:33Speaker 02

  Direct. So I was here within forty five minutes. Anyway, I had a lovely time. Beck kept, Beck, I realised halfway through the trip that Beck kept saying, can we go to see you next time? I was like, I do not know what that means. He goes, let's go to see you next time. And it turns out there's Venture Cove, but on the back of the sign. Because as you leave Venture Cove, which is a kid's play area, it says, see you next time. He thought the.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Beyond cute.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  It's beyond cute. Could we go to see you next time?

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  So there he is, pointing at the see you next time sign on the back of the Venture Cove sign.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  What a little lamb frolicking through the dales.

• 15:08Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, that's, that's moved me, Dave.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  That's moved us, Dave.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  It's moved me, too.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  That's moved my cold, childless heart.

• 15:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  So now I just have to, in order to, so I don't regret not having kids, I'm just gonna fast forward to when he's eighteen, slamming a door, saying, I hate you.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  No, I think they've gone past that by eighteen.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Have they?

• 15:27Speaker 02

  Uh, my nephew's had, yeah, I think it's more kind of fifteen to eighteen is the tricky waters.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 15:33Speaker 00

  I think eighteen, they're just like blokes.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 15:35Speaker 00

  Living with a bloke. Whereas at fifteen, they hate you.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Right, so I'm just imagining now, fast forward, so I've done fifteen, I'm going to eighteen, your number has appeared on Beck's phone, and he's at uni.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  And he's going, oh, straight to voicemail.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  That's.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  And then he's going out and getting lashed.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  That's fair enough.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  That's fair enough. But I think, yeah, the hormones kick in.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  And you're, you're at home staring at your phone, just tears streaming down your face.

• 16:02Speaker 00

  I hope he's safe.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  Because Hannah's left you, Dave.

• 16:06Speaker 00

  Because she could not handle being criticised on, on, on a big podcast, Dave.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was not listening.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  And they took back the Peugeot from the lease.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  What?

• 16:15Speaker 01

  You now, you now drive, and you may find this disturbing, Dave, a Chevrolet Matiz.

• 16:22Speaker 00

  Oh, no. Oh, Dave.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  And now I feel okay about not having kids, because I don't want to drive a Chevrolet Matiz.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  I don't know if I'd, I don't know enough about Chevys, Chevrolets.

• 16:32Speaker 00

  Dave, and it's, it's an unleaded and he just put diesel in by mistake. And now you're gonna have to call the A A.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  Well, so I've gone back from electric, back to unleaded, even though I paid for the installation of the.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  By this time, it's like ten quid a litre.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  Oh, my.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  And everyone boos you as you drive around the town, because you're the only person still using fossil fuels.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 16:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  And there's been a nuclear war in East Asia, and the radiation is coming towards you, so you've got very limited time. Yeah, well, I'm okay.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Why? Why are you okay?

• 17:02Speaker 01

  I've got a bunker.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  And I, the only reason I could afford the bunker is because I just got a bunker for one, because I don't have any kids.

• 17:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, Dave.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  It feels like I made a lot of poor decisions over this juncture, this juncture.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  It's all because you mentioned Hannah on the podcast.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do love Hannah, and a hell of a lot of work went into this trip.

• 17:23Speaker 00

  Should we make that the title of the podcast?

• 17:25Speaker 02

  I feel bad now.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  Dave loves Hannah.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  I do feel bad that the first thing I brought up was, which was a decanting error, but probably an error on my part for not listening, rather than.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Well, also, she's putting in the effort to decant anything in the first place.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Exactly. I didn't decant a blooming thing in the prep for the trip. Anyway, it was good, but good to be back, refreshed.

• 17:42Speaker 00

  We take powder in a little pot with a very, with a very secure screw-on lid.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  And what do you label it?

• 17:51Speaker 00

  Well, it's just so obviously washing powder. There's no need.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  To a six-year-old.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  It's just white powder. It's so obviously washing powder.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Obviously not sugar.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, what on earth could it be?

• 18:02Speaker 00

  It's either gonna be washing powder or cocaine.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  And they're welcome to use both.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, the book I'm reading, uh, well, the book I've just finished is set in Australia in the 50s and the entire northern hemisphere has been destroyed by nuclear war.

• 18:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  And they're just waiting for the radiation to reach them.

• 18:26Speaker 00

  Cool.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  And they've got three to four months.

• 18:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  I love the way you keep it light.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  What would you do? Cause they just sort of pretty much carry on as, as, as usual. I think most people would.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  I mean, you'd get lashed.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  What if you got three or four months?

• 18:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's all the perfect amount of time for the scenario.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  I'd start smoking fags.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, not like, you know, ones that aren't that bad for you, but you know.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  I'd quit my job.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Would you?

• 18:54Speaker 02

  No, you'd do this.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  We'd, we'd be keeping the nation sane.

• 18:58Speaker 00

  Oh yeah. All right. I'd do this.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Oh, the isolation tapes all over again.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  The radiation tapes.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  The radiation tape.

• 19:05Speaker 00

  Uh, I'd go for more bike rides and I'd meet more people for coffee.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Oh, that's nice.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  That's good.

• 19:10Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah. And God, what would you?

• 19:14Speaker 02

  I'd go bungee jumping.

• 19:16Speaker 00

  I probably wouldn't.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  You would.

• 19:18Speaker 00

  I'd take all bungee. I think I could die with that. I could die without having done that.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  I wouldn't take no for an answer. Come bungee jumping with me.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  I'd go no, cause I've only got four months to live. What if we died?

• 19:27Speaker 00

  I'd buy a new bike.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  Would you buy a new bike?

• 19:29Speaker 00

  I'd buy a new bike.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  Okay. Can I buy your old bike off you?

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Would they even charge you for it?

• 19:34Speaker 00

  I'll give you.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  Towards the end, they just give stuff away in the book.

• 19:36Speaker 00

  I'll give you my old bike.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  Oh, nice.

• 19:39Speaker 00

  But you've got to come and get it. So you're wasting one of your days. Got four months left and you're not spending it with your family. You've, you're coming down to London to get my bike off me and then going back on the train.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  But I'll turn it into a lads weekend or something. So I'll make the most of that.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  It would be the first day that the news was announced, it would be carnage in city centres.

• 20:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  Who's lashed? Everyone would be going lash, lashokablasho.

• 20:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. I wonder how bad it would get. Like, do you think that, do you think people would be making love on the streets?

• 20:09Speaker 01

  No, I think they'd be making love in bed.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:14Speaker 00

  Well, you always ask that, Dave.

• 20:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, it just, it would just be, be four months of shame as opposed to a lifetime, wouldn't it?

• 20:22Speaker 02

  No, but like, what about towards the end when?

• 20:24Speaker 01

  People would maybe be like, you know, they might approach the person they fancy and say.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  A bit more gay abandoned.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 20:31Speaker 00

  And say, do you know what? I've always liked you.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:34Speaker 00

  Since I saw you at the photocopy, a lot of workplace romances.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 00

  And it would just be honeymoon period until the end, wouldn't it?

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Let's make love in Leicester Square.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  Next to Eminem's world.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Interesting, isn't it?

• 20:49Speaker 01

  It's called On The Beach. It's very, very, very good. Yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Another shooter. Done six shoots in the last two months, I think. Yeah.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  Is he still with us, Neville shoots?

• 20:58Speaker 01

  No, died in 1960.

• 21:00Speaker 02

  Did he?

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  I'd buy a machine gun and fire into the air.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Would you?

• 21:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Like a, like a celebrating militia.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  I always worry about what happens when the bullets come back down.

• 21:12Speaker 00

  Yes, I always wonder that.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Like throwing up the cricket ball after a wicket.

• 21:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I always wondered that.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Someone's always watching it.

• 21:17Speaker 00

  I always wondered that as well.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  That must have hit someone on the head at one point.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 24:33Speaker 01

  Right then, we've got a very, very special guest.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  We do a bit later on, yeah.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Oh, right. Not yet.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  No, not yet. No.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  Dave Phil for 10 minutes.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  No, well, we've got it as a lovely teaser head to slightly later on in the episode. I did task you both with making some spooky meringues, uh, which you have both done with enthusiasm.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  I did enjoy it.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, we'll, we'll find out all about this. It's not happening just yet.

• 25:00Speaker 00

  I started too late and it was a pain in the arse, Dave. And I considered sending you a message at 20 to midnight saying, never, ever ask me to make meringues again.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  Good, different. That is weird.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Cause I haven't written the intro yet. If I hadn't been writing the intro, I would have, I would have enjoyed it more. But yeah, thanks, Dave.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  I think Ellis is at the end of his tether with his scripted intros, John. I think we need an arm around the shoulder for Ellis's Tuesday scripted intros.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Do you think the scripted intros are the problem or do you think his timekeeping and his planning is the problem?

• 25:29Speaker 00

  I was very busy. I'd, I'd.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  You had to make meringues at midnight.

• 25:33Speaker 00

  I had to make meringues at midnight. I also had to contribute to a charity single.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Whoa, lead with that.

• 25:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I had to do that in the afternoon.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  Did you?

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Live A3.

• 25:44Speaker 00

  Mal Pope, um, who, uh, Mal's had a fascinating life. He sent a demo to John Peel when he was about 13 and Peel loved it and played it. And then Elton John signed him to his record label.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Who's Mal Pope?

• 25:59Speaker 00

  He was on.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Is this all true?

• 26:01Speaker 00

  This is all true. He was on, um, he was on Radio Wales for years. He had a chat show on the BBC, on BBC Wales as well. He writes musicals. He wrote a musical, um, and it was like it opened in New York, I think. But he, he also wrote the theme tune to Fireman Sam.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 26:23Speaker 00

  So that's, I mean, that is probably the thing he's most known for, cause that's sold millions of minutes.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Please tell me he got paid well and didn't get paid like a fiver.

• 26:31Speaker 00

  I will tell you after the show.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Oh, is it gonna make me sad?

• 26:36Speaker 00

  Do the words buyout mean anything?

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Oh, like the woman who did the Nike symbol?

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:43Speaker 00

  And the Rolling Stones mouth.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  She did what? The same woman?

• 26:47Speaker 00

  No, no, but, um.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  God, yeah.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  And the Shigavara picture, the guy we spoke to.

• 26:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Alabama, Alabama three, the, the Sopranos music, that was a buyout, I think.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  Oh my. But then the problem is if you said, if, if he had said, no, I want, you know, 1% of all Fireman Sam's profits, they would have said, well, we'll get someone else.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  So you never know.

• 27:09Speaker 00

  Yes. And Mal's a very happy, kind man who doesn't seem to, he's an ambassador at Swansea City Football Club, big Swans fan. But he's done a charity single, so I've, I had to, I had to sing my line and do the videos yesterday.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Show everything, everything.

• 27:26Speaker 00

  It's not out yet, but it took, it took me much longer than I anticipated.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Is there backstage footage?

• 27:32Speaker 00

  I did it at home because I did guitar for it and then I did the video for it and I, I'm an extremely timid singer.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  But did you send the raw files to anyone that I could get?

• 27:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, I sent them to Mal yesterday.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  So what's his email address?

• 27:44Speaker 00

  I'm not.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Cause we need the outtakes.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Dave, I'll just, I'll just knock you out, Dave.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  No, we need the, I'll, do you know what? I'd take a punch in the cheek for the outtakes of this. That's how much we need the outtakes.

• 27:55Speaker 00

  Cause I promised to do it and then I, I was away a lot. I was in Cardiff on Tuesday and I said, yeah, I will get it done. So then I, I did, it took me much longer than I anticipated on Thursday.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  So it's you, The Edge, Yaz.

• 28:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Lisa Stansfield.

• 28:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Seal.

• 28:14Speaker 00

  John Secarda. Yeah.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Paul Simon.

• 28:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  And Fontaine's DC, weirdly.

• 28:19Speaker 00

  They're all doing it. Yeah, yeah.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  So who's it to raise money for?

• 28:22Speaker 00

  Uh, it's, uh, do you know what? It's a charity in Swansea and I'm gonna get the proper name for them. I don't know when it's come, I don't know when it's out yet.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  He's thrown charity in the mix. It's harder to be annoyed at him now because he's doing stuff for a good cause.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  I'm not annoyed at him at all, but I will want to see the footage.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, we do need to see.

• 28:41Speaker 00

  Everyone deserves a Christmas hamper, which is a charity started by, uh, Callan Harnett MP.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Great.

• 28:47Speaker 00

  And, uh, I feel, he's asked a footballer who I know, but the footballer who I know has been quite vague about whether he's gonna do it. So I'm not gonna name him yet.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Fair enough.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Jude Bellingham.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Oh, well done, mate. That's good. It's a good cause and you've, you've, you've squeezed in meringue making and a scripted intro.

• 29:08Speaker 00

  Which I hated on the scripted intro, which I had to write.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  We will do that a bit later on because there are more pressing matters at hand, aren't there, Ellis?

• 29:17Speaker 00

  There are actually.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:20Speaker 00

  And I think the atmosphere is gonna change.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  What's happened?

• 29:28Speaker 00

  This.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Did they forward you my foreskin?

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Is that why I wasn't allowed to keep it?

• 29:39Speaker 00

  By recorded delivery.

• 29:43Speaker 00

  I designed for it.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Oh goodness me.

• 29:47Speaker 00

  Hello, my favourite gentleman. Your podcast has always brought me more laughs than is dignified.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  I'm going to vape and swear, so you can't put this into a video, whatever it is.

• 29:56Speaker 00

  Beyond the laughs, I've admired your values.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Willies.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  No, John, don't.

• 30:01Speaker 00

  You stand for hashtag content, you stand for fairness, or so you say.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  Also, you'll want your right of reply to this. You'll want, you'll want to offer your-

• 30:09Speaker 00

  I think he deserves one.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 30:11Speaker 00

  I think it's absolutely disgusting what he's done.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  What I've done?

• 30:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think it's absolutely-

• 30:16Speaker 01

  I've done literally nothing the past two weeks. Sat in my house, played Scrabble and got to therapy.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  You've done one thing, I think that it's horrid, and I actually-

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Oh, there's loads of horrid things, but they all were broadly over by about 2007.

• 30:29Speaker 00

  Well, this is proof that the therapy's not working, because you're still acting up, as my mother would say. I was recently casting the latest full video episode from the Ellis and John cinematic universe to my television in 8 million KHD, when I witnessed something that sent me tumbling into the depths of disappointment. I refer to the made-up game Poor Judgment, in which Ellis and John were blindfolded and tasked with pouring coke from a can into a glass without it overflowing. The footage, which I've now studied frame by frame, like in JFK, back and to the left, clearly shows the side of John's left index finger resting just inside the rim of his glass.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Damn straight it does.

• 31:10Speaker 00

  This would have given John physical feedback as the coke reached the brim, telling him exactly when to stop and inevitably to win. As John finishes pouring and pulls his hand away, you can even see the faintest ripple as his finger breaks the surface tension. Ellis, you poured honestly and you poured blind. John, I think you owe Ellis, Dave, and all your listeners, not just an explanation, not just an apology, but an explanation, yours in fairness. Shara, we have had dozens of emails in on this.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Sorry, what am I apologising for?

• 31:44Speaker 00

  Cheating.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Why is that cheating?

• 31:46Speaker 00

  Because you've got to pour blind, you can't-

• 31:49Speaker 01

  I was blind.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  No, no, no, but that's just a physical sensation.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  I don't see with my fingers.

• 31:54Speaker 00

  Oh come on, you [BLEEP].

• 31:57Speaker 00

  Horrible, horrible thing to say.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  I knew this was going to be John's take, by the way.

• 32:01Speaker 00

  The lack of integrity is just-

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Of course I was gonna do that.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  It's the lack of integrity which is disgusting, John.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Oh no, it's the quality of the man's thinking. You didn't think I'd get the highest score in Taskmaster by just pouring, pouring coke until it pours out of a glass?

• 32:17Speaker 00

  That's not the game and you know it.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Oh, it's 100% the game.

• 32:20Speaker 00

  That's not, it's not in the spirit of the game and you know it. Otherwise it'd be easy and we'd all do it.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Let's watch back the footage.

• 32:27Speaker 00

  Otherwise it's pointless.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  I can't wait to see this.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  We've got the footage.

• 32:30Speaker 00

  Otherwise, it's just-

• 32:31Speaker 01

  He finds a way.

• 32:33Speaker 00

  Otherwise, it's just pop your finger at the top of a glass and pour it until it touches. We all can't do that.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  You.

• 32:39Speaker 00

  Because I was, because I knew I was-

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Didn't cross your mind.

• 32:42Speaker 00

  Because I knew it was wrong.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  I, um, I like the blind.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I pay attention when they talk to me about how they adapt their lives to living without sight.

• 32:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Because I care about them. There are some things, so we, as we, as we- Just don't do it with boiling water.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. As we bring up these made-up games and we, you know, we tweak what needs to be tweaked in the week, we always say to ourselves, right, what rules do we think needs to be in play here to stop John kicking off?

• 33:11Speaker 00

  I actually remember, I actually remember thinking about it and then holding my hand because it would be so- I remember thinking, that's the opposite.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  That's just come to him.

• 33:20Speaker 00

  Well, no, because it's just cheating, isn't it?

• 33:24Speaker 01

  It's not cheating.

• 33:24Speaker 00

  It's, it's so dishonest.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  No, it's not. I stand by it.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  So we didn't think we had to put in the rules for Poor Judgment, apt name at this stage,

• 33:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  that we had to say, oh, by the way, don't put your index finger on the top of the glass so you can feel when the coke's getting towards the top of the brim. We felt that wasn't needed, we felt that-

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Well, it feels like it was needed, because you've got a genius on one side of you, Dave, so you've got to cover every angle.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  I know, but we've only got so many hours in the week, John. We can't just, we can't just come up with every-

• 33:54Speaker 00

  Also, Dave, I hate to use the phrase, you had one job.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  I don't think we have a side.

• 33:59Speaker 00

  But I wasn't watching him because I was blindfolded.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  I'm on your-

• 34:02Speaker 01

  He's got hundreds of jobs.

• 34:04Speaker 00

  What were you doing?

• 34:05Speaker 01

  He's got to go through every bottle in his house to double check what's in it.

• 34:11Speaker 00

  Has the Man City financial doping scandal affected your judgment to such an extent, Dave, that you just think all cheating's okay now?

• 34:19Speaker 02

  Listen, I've got a lot going on. I'm making sure that I'm chatting to Michael on Slack to make sure we're getting the scoring right. I'm making sure John's not peeking out of his stupid blindfold. Turns out that's the least of my worries.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Would never peek out of a blindfold.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Why not? Because I didn't put in the rules, by the way, I don't peek out your blindfold.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Because you're blindfolded. You do it without seeing.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  I did say you're blindfolded, but I didn't say-

• 34:37Speaker 01

  You did say you do it without touch, smell, sound. Oh, you listen to the bubbles.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  Right, anyway, Ellis, back to you on your bloody side here. Don't throw me under the bus.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  Jesus, man. But gee whiz, Dave, you had one job.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  I didn't, I have several jobs constantly.

• 34:53Speaker 00

  He's basically doing that.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  I always have several.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  That's what anyone would do if they were tasked to fill a glass blind.

• 34:59Speaker 00

  But it's such an easy game then. So what's the point in playing? It's completely pointless.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  I, do you know what? I genuinely thought this was going to be about the way Ellis poured his Skittles.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  No, that was fine. No, it was a slow pour, but it was a pour nonetheless. Let's, let's show the footage at this stage. Let's just see what we're working with here. Here he is, there he is, blooming, blooming Shake Monsor himself.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  It's a risky move, but, or is it? Who knows? Okay.

• 35:27Speaker 00

  And he's still pouring, he's still pouring.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Interesting technique.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  I don't think I've gone over. Dave, you should have seen that, because we can't referee after the fact.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Your coke can's in the way of your bloody finger, John, that's the problem.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  That's how clever he is.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  The coke can, that's a watch.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  I don't think that shows anything, Dave.

• 35:48Speaker 00

  It is quite subtle.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  I don't think that proves anything.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  And then the finger, finger pulls away.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  And then the finger.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't think that's conclusive, actually.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  I don't think I've gone over. The innocence of the man. Let's watch a replay, just quickly now, just for the-

• 36:10Speaker 01

  It's not clear.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  The slow-mo replay. That's that big old index finger just draping over the top and he pulls it away. A little ripple.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  50/50 challenge, that's the modern game.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  I don't think I've gone over the unbelievable.

• 36:28Speaker 00

  God, I've always hated VAR.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was needed for this.

• 36:32Speaker 00

  But it's needed for this.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Ellis, what are your thoughts?

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Dave, you had one, it's so obvious.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  Why are you coming for me? Cheater McCheaterville over there in the corner, why?

• 36:41Speaker 01

  It's not cheating. You can't call it cheating. It's not cheating, you can't call it cheating.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  It's totally against the spirit of the game. You have to accept that. If you don't accept that, you're real.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  I think it's within the realms of what you're trying to do. You're trying to fill up a glass without your eyes. You're gonna use your fingers.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  There's been a couple of occasions in football where the ball goes out of play and the other team should throw the ball back to the opposition, because it's etiquette, it's what, it's what is expected. They don't, their team goes and scores because there's a bit of a misunderstanding. They've bought the game back at points. They've replayed games, I think, because they realised, you know what, yeah, you're right, it's not in the rule, but it's a gentleman's game, and the etiquette here is that you really should throw the ball back because they kicked it out of play for the injury, and it's gone back to that moment.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  Or do you fight, Dave? Do you fight for every inch?

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Well, clearly.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  Does this mean more?

• 37:29Speaker 02

  It clearly means a lot.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  Why always me?

• 37:34Speaker 02

  He's balatalied it.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  I mean, I'm very impressed that you even know that reference. That's good stuff.

• 37:43Speaker 00

  If he'd worn a Why Always Me t-shirt today and just lifted his jumper, I would forgive everything, because I would never stop laughing. Why always me? Oh my gosh.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  So, well, what else have we got there?

• 37:59Speaker 00

  He got caught, do you remember he had like 20,000 quid in his glove box and he got pulled over by the police? They said, why have you got so much money, you glove box? He went, because I'm rich.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  And he used to fire fireworks out of his bedroom window as well. He was mad. A great song.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  Fans are left stunned as onlookers allege at John Robins's cheats by feeling the Coca-Cola to reach the rim of the glass using the fingers on his left hand. Many ask if John should be docked, pointed, or even relegated from the Made Up Games League.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Wow, okay.

• 38:25Speaker 00

  It takes on this breaking news item as we have them.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  So we're playing in two separate tennis tournaments?

• 38:31Speaker 00

  Craig asks, where's the sporting integrity? Pat Suds says, was just gonna say, definitely used his finger to feel the fizz near the top. What was Dave seeing? Lucy Harrison, naughty John should be penalised, finger on top of the glass to feel the bubbles, took his hand away like a naughty little nugget. As soon as the challenge was done, he knew he'd cheated. As much as I love him, Johnny JR needs stripping of all previous wins and his honorary doctorate.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's got, how far back does this go? It could get really messy, actually.

• 38:57Speaker 00

  Phil Pritchard came here from Spotify to comment on John's technique.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  I can't comment until the inquiry is complete and we're gonna be-

• 39:02Speaker 00

  And you'll appeal, obviously.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  And I will appeal, obviously.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  You'll appeal.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Um, yeah.

• 39:06Speaker 00

  There's statute of limitations, it's five years. John's got five years to get his lawyers to kick this into the long grass and sort of filibuster and... Uh, I can't believe Johnny JR tweeted, says Jill Twigger, my world's been turned upside down. Has anyone ever checked was actually in his vape? Are we potentially looking at a doping scandal that likes not since the Lance Armstrong fiasco? He always casts aspersions at Dave, but is that a clever deflection? Jessica, John was touching the lip of the cup with his finger in his left hand to be able to tell if he'd go over with the coke. I think he should be disqualified for that round. Giraffe Bush Baby Lion says, the mug ombudsman needs to be called or right for Johnny JR and his finger cheating.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Well, let's see where this, it'd be interesting to see how the story plays out, but I should say it has already gone further and wider than this very studio.

• 39:52Speaker 00

  People are disgusted.

• 39:53Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's the dialogue of the nation, it's a conversation that has already started, and there's no stopping that conversation at this stage, and it has reached some news outlets across the UK.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Have you got in touch with any winners who are backing me?

• 40:04Speaker 02

  Hey?

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Have you got in touch with any winners?

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Well, let's just see. Let's, I mean, before we even get on to winners and losers here-

• 40:10Speaker 01

  We'll deal with the moaning Myrtles.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  No, we've got to deal-

• 40:13Speaker 00

  Pep says that you'll always be his favourite on Ellis and John.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  We've got to deal with, with how it's been covered. So first of all, you know, Five Live, of course, are covering controversies like this. Let's see how it's played out on Five Live.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  News just come in, the fellow Five Live presenter and podcaster John Robins has been caught cheating in a made up game. Rema, I think you've got more on this.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Yes, Rick. The alleged cheating incident took place during the made up game Poor Judgment, where Robins and co-host Elis James attempted to fill a glass with Coca-Cola whilst wearing a blindfold without spilling the Coke over the edge.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Footage that has been leaked to the BBC via a whistleblower that we cannot name for legal reasons, appears to show Robins' finger resting on the rim of the cup, thereby allowing him to feel when the cup was full.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  We asked BBC Verif to take a look at the footage and it appears to be 100% genuine. Robins went on to win the game, of course, and in this new light, questions will be asked of his past made up games wins. He might even be stripped of his first set win and who knows how foul back the cheating goes.

• 41:24Speaker 00

  Whatever happens, we'll be sure to keep you across this story as it unfolds.

• 41:27Speaker 02

  Thanks, Rick. Thanks, Rema, from Five Live Breakfast, of course.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  And it's interesting to hear them covering that, using the word alleged quite appropriately.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  Well, they have to cover their backs.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Rick did, and so Rick, I will sue Rick.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, Rick's coming down.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  And also, it was interesting that they outlined the terms of the game, to fill up a cup without spilling it whilst blindfold, which I did.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, they paint a picture for the listener. It's up to listeners, for the time being, to make their own decisions. You know, it is an ongoing inquiry, isn't it?

• 41:52Speaker 00

  If I'd done it first, he would have gone absolutely ballistic.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  It is interesting, yes.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  I just said, clever.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  You would not. That is not true.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  I just said, get that man on a problem solving course, and I want him to be teaching it, because he doesn't need to learn about problem solving.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  Five Live, of course, adjacent to this podcast, we are part of the Five Live family. So you would expect it to be covered by the breakfast hosts of the radio station that we have a connection with.

• 42:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  Has it gone further? Has it gone wider? Of course it has. Absolute Radio have covered the news, the news reports as well. Let's see how they've taken it.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Absolute.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  I'm Rich Williams. Here's your latest on Absolute Radio.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  Comedian, podcaster and author John Robins has been caught up in a cheating scandal that threatens to further tarnish his reputation. You'll know him as one of the hosts of popular podcasts, The Elis James and John Robins Show. Now, the incident took place during the most recent made up game, Poor Judgment. Footage that's been shared with Absolute Radio shows, a blindfolded Robins using his finger to tell how full a glass of Coke is, in a round where he and James were attempting to fill a glass to the brim without it spilling. It's not the first time his integrity's been questioned during the made up game's feature. In the game 3-2-1 draw, there'd been accusations of cheating, again involving the finger, this time using it to draw a seven inch vinyl. He also hit the headlines

• 43:18Speaker 02

  after the game, dicing with danger, Robins admitted to reading Ellis's lips despite being in a soundproof booth. Questions are now being asked about the impact this will have on Robins' made up game's legacy. For now, the controversy rumbles on.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  None of those things were against the rules.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  No, well, yeah, this is it.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Did Radio X turn you down?

• 43:40Speaker 02

  No, do you know what? I went straight to Absolute, because I knew I'd get a quicker answer than that, because it's not as hot on the rights for what they want to share with other podcasts. A bit more relaxed on that front. And of course, so it's gone, it's gone to BBC. We've now heard.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  What's happening now? Where does this go next?

• 43:58Speaker 02

  Quite a lot of time whilst having a sense of power.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Mocked up a copy of the Daily Mail.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Of course, it would make sense for it to remain in the UK mainland, of course, but it's actually travelled further and wider.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  I sent, I sent Dave quite a few questions about our accounting while he's at Centre Parcs. He said, "Sorry, John, I'm bang up against it at Centre Parcs. Can we deal with this next week?" All the while, he's calling in favours from commercial media to mock up a news broadcast.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  Let's, let's head across to Spain now.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  That's Phil Kitchener, lead us there from La Unna, which is the main Spanish TV channel. So we've got the UK coverage and now it does seem at this stage, John, to have taken on a life of its own.

• 45:29Speaker 00

  Well, having read the comments and having read a lot of emails, you're the only person who thinks that you are playing in the spirit of the game.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  There will be so many legends at home, so many winners, so many outside the box thinkers going, clever.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  What, the great British public?

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, the great British public. Well, the portion of the British public that is great.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  The portion of the British public that do want to see us return to growth, that are entrepreneurial.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Who do, you know, take risks.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  The risk takers.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Well, do you know what? It's probably wise, because we've heard from.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  What is happening now?

• 46:07Speaker 02

  We've heard from the great.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  I thought the running order was a bit light.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  We've heard from the great and good, you know, the journalists and the.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Anecdotal marrakes, goodbye.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  We've heard from.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Was it the King?

• 46:25Speaker 00

  It's Andrew, amazing, isn't it? I don't know why you've done that.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  Well, that, I don't want him on my side.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  No, no, but we do need to get a temperature check on the voice of the nation and the great British public. So we hit the streets, we pounded the pea, and we just, we put our ear to the ground. And yeah, we wanted to get the, the general consensus from.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  And a balanced consensus.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  Absolutely, yeah. We just went and just tried to, you know, you just, you just head straight out into Trafalgar Square. You get balance.

• 46:53Speaker 00

  Well, everyone's talking about it, apart from the tourists.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  No, even some of the tourists, because they heard it on Spanish TV.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  Let some of this in.

• 47:02Speaker 07

  What do I think of the cheating scandal? Well, it's disgraceful. It's absolutely disgraceful. Ellis has been robbed. You know what? The people of Wales, we've been robbed of an amazing victory. Ellis was told he was a world class pourer, and in my eyes, he still is. He's one of the best he's ever been.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  I just don't think it's cheating. I think that's clever gameplay. There we go. Saying the rules, you can't do it. I don't know. I don't think it's really a problem.

• 47:26Speaker 00

  Who's that did?

• 47:27Speaker 05

  You know, I think it's atrocious gameplay, to be honest. I think he, I think he's let down Britain, both, both Matt and the, and the island itself. Yeah, I think he should take a long, hard look at himself, to be honest. It's sad, I feel involved. I was out with some friends last night and all anyone could talk about was the whole John Robins cheating thing. It's been on my algorithms. It's on TikTok. Oh my God, we were just losing our minds, like the finger thing. What, what is that about? I don't think I want to carry on listening to the show. And I'm very disappointed because I wouldn't have thought John would have done that.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 48:04Speaker 05

  So, yeah, I'm disappointed in you, John. I think it makes me feel sad and angry.

• 48:13Speaker 05

  I'm with John here. I don't think he's done anything wrong. There was nothing in the rules about putting your finger on the glass. Hashtag justice for John. Yeah, I'm, I'm shocked really. I think we've all known something's been going on recently with, you know, a sudden change in form. But, I mean, does this call into

• 48:34Speaker 01

  question, you know, all the results? Do we need a root and branch review to, to get to the bottom of this? You know, sad times, really. I thought it was actually going to be good. I thought it wasn't going to cheat, but it was cheating. I didn't like it. It wasn't setting a good sample for the kids. All these kids are from up north, Dave. I'm six years old. I've not been born to cheat. I never cheated, even when I was like one, two, three, four, five.

• 49:01Speaker 05

  Five or six, even though I'm sick right now. But you, you should know better. You should know better by not cheating in all of our faith.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  The voices that matter there, I'd say.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  And that's, you know, if you grabbed a random group of people to do a vox pop on Trafalgar Square.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Obviously you start with the six year olds.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, of course. It's not up to us. They wanted to get their point across.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they-

• 49:33Speaker 02

  They grabbed the mic from my hand and said, I want to express my feelings. Excuse me, you do a vox pop about John cheating?

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Because they've all come down on a mini bus from Chedle Hume. So they want to get the most out of their day in London. They want to go on the London night, they want to see Buckingham Palace, and they want to do a vox pop in Leicester Square.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. And if you can hear, if you can hear River Rapids in the background, just ignore that. It's just, that's just other things that were going on at the time.

• 49:55Speaker 00

  Well, I thought there was the Funtins in Trafalgar Square.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  So there we go. And that's where we're at, at this stage of play. Who knows where, who knows where it goes from here? Generally don't know. That's it. That's all we've got.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's more than I expected.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, good, because it needed to be. Root and Branch, I think, was-

• 50:14Speaker 00

  I love the fruit.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Really, I like, I like Root and Branch. Are you? This is interesting.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  I would do it again.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Wow. Okay.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Do you have irrefutable, irrefutable proof that you were innocent?

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Innocent of what?

• 50:29Speaker 02

  Putting your finger on the blumming glass, John.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Well, I, I contest that that is guilty.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Are you? Well, yeah, okay. And that's, yeah, that's where, that's where-

• 50:37Speaker 00

  If I'd done that, you'd have been like, that's great gameplay.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  I would have thought that was, of course, I'd have joined in all of this nonsense. I'd have played the role, but secretly I'd have thought, this guy's better than I expected. I'll give him some credit. He's going to be okay in a survival scenario.

• 50:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, it's disappointing.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  Oh, I reserve the right to be disappointed.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 50:59Speaker 00

  Believe you me.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  Any, any final messages for the public, John, at this stage?

• 51:03Speaker 01

  Two of you have a future in this country. And when I form my cabinet, let's just say, sit by your phones. The rest of them, no.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Good. Okay. Bit of fun. Shall we marrang?

• 51:19Speaker 00

  Oh, yes, I think so.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  Because there's more to this episode, because you boys have been busy, haven't you?

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I used my fingers for this, Dave, as well. Is that all right?

• 51:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's fine. That's fine.

• 51:29Speaker 00

  Did you use marrang to stick the baking paper to the baking tray? That's what I was told to do with my, with the recipe I-

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Put mixture underneath it?

• 51:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, to stick it so that, so the baking tray, so the baking paper doesn't move around.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  I watched two videos and they both did that.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Why would the baking paper move around?

• 51:49Speaker 00

  Just, I don't know, an earthquake?

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Right, so earlier in the week, we challenged you both with making your own marrangs. Because, and I can't remember why, but all of a sudden we talk about marrangs a lot. Because John's a fan now.

• 52:01Speaker 00

  Since he quit the booze, John's new vice is the marrang.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  I'm in my marrang phase.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  You are, actually.

• 52:06Speaker 00

  I dropped my daughter off for a play day yesterday. And the girl's dad said, what have you got plans for the afternoon? Are you working? I said, yeah, I'm making marrangs on the radio. And he went, oh, yeah.

• 52:18Speaker 00

  That is bad.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  So you've been tasked, because we looked it up, it turns out, marrangs aren't hard to make. Although I would argue they're hard to make well, is what the internet says.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  And that's the thing.

• 52:29Speaker 00

  You can fit the definition, you can meet the definition of a marrang quite easily.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  You could write the recipe on a, on a stamp.

• 52:38Speaker 00

  With a, with a, with a fine pen.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  With a fine pen.

• 52:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  The, do you want us to discuss the process before we do the judging?

• 52:47Speaker 02

  Well, we've got to judge. So Kendall, the wonderful Kendall from-

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Maker of the best scrambled eggs in Europe, Britain, and the northern hemisphere and Earth.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Agreed. The cafe downstairs here where we record this podcast, we see Kendall every Friday and she makes us fantastic coffees, fantastic food, fantastic brownies and stuff like that.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  And ironically, not mint cake.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  No. Yeah. Or marrangs, I don't think. But she knows her stuff. So we're going to get Kendall up to judge. Now, it's up to you. Do you want to talk about the process now or would you rather have Kendall here to actually hear?

• 53:21Speaker 00

  Are you a baker, John?

• 53:23Speaker 01

  No, absolutely not.

• 53:25Speaker 00

  I don't bake. I, I enjoy cooking. I like cooking. But with baking, I made a birthday cake for Betty's, uh, fifth birthday. And the amount of sugar in a sponge cake staggered me.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 00

  Like, it staggered me.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 53:42Speaker 00

  And yesterday, four egg whites, 230 grams of sugar.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, so we're using similar, similar quantities.

• 53:52Speaker 00

  It is crazy how much sugar's in them.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  But very few calories.

• 53:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, but like, it's insane how much sugar.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:00Speaker 00

  You're still pouring, pouring away. And there's so little other stuff. Well, there's nothing else in there. It's egg whites and sugar. It's, it just, it, it, it beggars belief.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  Well, I'll tell you what.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  I made, okay, well, if Kendall might know how to cook them, so maybe Kendall could listen to what they're saying.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  I think Kendall should be informed of your processes as to how you bought, uh, three each, we've asked for. And we asked for them to be as spooky as possible ahead of Halloween, which-

• 54:25Speaker 00

  Mine look more angry than spooky, I've realised.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  That's fine. And a listener did say we should call them a boo marrang, as in boo, which is clever.

• 54:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Very clever. She's very clever.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  It is, but people will think we're doing an item on boomerangs.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if you see it written down.

• 54:42Speaker 00

  Throwing a boomerang in the studio, see if it comes back.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  Anyway, thanks to Chris for that suggestion.

• 54:45Speaker 00

  Thank you, Chris. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just keep them coming.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Let's pause here and we will welcome Kendall into the studio and have a bit of a judge.

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• 57:48Speaker 01

  Right, Kendall is now here. Kendall, it's a delight to have you in the studio. You've been serving us coffee and eggs for- Coffee and eggs. -three years now. Yeah. And what eggs they are. And I've loved every single breakfast. Best eggs I have ever had.

• 58:01Speaker 00

  And no other eggs compare.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  It's one of the things I look forward to most in my week, which is my Friday morning, eggs and mushrooms on toast.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Brilliant. I always save you a portion.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, you do, actually. Sometimes Kendall puts portions aside because she knows that I'm going to be coming in.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Because I know you're going to have the same thing.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:16Speaker 00

  And as someone who runs a great cafe, do you make marrangs, Kendall?

• 58:20Speaker 01

  I've only ever made them once and they were actually vegan marrangs.

• 58:24Speaker 00

  So what's the egg white component of a vegan marrang?

• 58:27Speaker 01

  You know, when you get the tin of chickpeas and-

• 58:30Speaker 03

  Inside is that really disgusting, smelly, fatty water. That. That whips up into a delicious, airy, meringey.

• 58:42Speaker 00

  Do they, do they not taste like hummus?

• 58:45Speaker 03

  You would think so.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  Egg whites would taste gross on their own.

• 58:49Speaker 03

  Anything with enough sugar will taste.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 58:52Speaker 00

  And there's a lot of sugar in there.

• 58:54Speaker 03

  All right, talk me through the process.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  Well, I looked for a few recipes online and asked a few online support friends.

• 59:04Speaker 00

  I did, I didn't get a reply till today. I got sent the Delia Smith recipe for meringues about an hour ago, which obviously pointless. So I ended up going on BBC Good Food.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  I got a bit confused because I, my, my goal was to have them chewy. And I got a bit confused, do I use cream of tartar? Do I use cornflour? Do I use neither? Do I use icing sugar? The icing sugar I bought was then I realised it was cane icing sugar, which would be a bit brown. And I wanted to make mine spooky with green food colouring. I was worried that would make them look brown. Uh, but anyway, in the end, I sort of cobbled together a bit of everything. And I think if I made an error, it was just under whisking them slightly. So that when I added the, the, it was a beautiful glossy mixture, but the peaks were never self-sufficient.

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 59:56Speaker 00

  Uh, I'm the same as you, so mine are weeping a bit. And that's because.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  They look sad.

• 1:00:05Speaker 00

  When I put in, um, when I put in the sort of, there's two different types of sugar in mine. So it's caster sugar followed by icing sugar. The caster sugar, it was great. When I put in the icing sugar. I should, I think I should have gone back to the electric whisk. Because the reason they're weeping is that I didn't mix the sugar in enough because I was reading about that afterwards.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  I also had a hand whisk only.

• 1:00:29Speaker 00

  Oh, did you?

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  And I think another error I made was because I wanted them chewy, I cooked them hotter and shorter. Um, but, uh, and also mine are sitting on the ectoplasm. From which the spooky ghosts are emerging.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  I can tell.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that's green.

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it looks green.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Uh, in transit.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  And if, if you want to ask whether adding food colouring causes your meringues to fall just into discs. I will say no more.

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  That was my next question.

• 1:01:05Speaker 00

  In transit.

• 1:01:08Speaker 00

  He, my best one, who's weeping blood.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  Yes, I think he's your best one, but his eyes are very.

• 1:01:15Speaker 00

  In transit, his eyes have fallen in.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  They have fallen in, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:18Speaker 00

  Spooky actually, but it, it looks more ghost like yesterday.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  Right, well, shall we get to the marking?

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  He's bleeding from the eyeballs.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  He is, yeah.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  I would say both of you have done a fantastic job. They, for listeners who aren't, who don't have access to visuals at this moment in time. They both, all three of them, well, Ellis has actually done four, even though I only asked for three.

• 1:01:35Speaker 00

  I actually made sixteen.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  But they look, they look like meringues is the biggest compliment I can pay.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what Izzy said.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Mine, mine look like joke dog dirt.

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  This one looks very much like the poo emoji.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:51Speaker 00

  The poo emoji.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  So Kendall, please take, um, a meringue from John's.

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  Well, you're gonna mark them on looks first.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  Oh, good point, yeah, okay, yeah, go for them.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  Mark, so here we, here's what we're doing, Kendall.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  That's my guy. The rest, the rest look angry, but the spookiest one.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  Your, your spookiest one is, is the one with the sunken eyes and the blood coming out. But I think as a whole visually, it's gonna have to be John.

• 1:02:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  That is the, just taking the.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  I'm surprised. So Mark, five please for the look, Kendall. There's three categories here, we'll start on look.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  Um, Ellis, look, three.

• 1:02:30Speaker 00

  Okay, that's fine. I didn't get a huge amount of thought to the look. Yours, the disc of goo of ectoplasm.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 1:02:38Speaker 00

  Is a nice touch.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  It's an, it's an elevated element. I would say a four point five.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  Oh, decimals.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Which is high, but I enjoy the poo element.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  I appreciate it.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Okay, shall we move to taste?

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  Kendall, pick up a meringue for crying out loud.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  Which one I have?

• 1:02:57Speaker 00

  I think they taste exactly the same.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  I like this little friend.

• 1:03:00Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  So Kendall's going for Ellis's meringue first.

• 1:03:03Speaker 00

  It's light.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  Very light.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  It's very light, is that good?

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  Very light. Are you tasting with me?

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  Oh, go on then.

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  Oh, they are light, Ellis.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  Light is good. We want light. We want a crisp, firm outside.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:16Speaker 03

  A delicate bite through and then a chewy slash gooey middle if we can.

• 1:03:22Speaker 00

  And when you top, when you tap the bottom, they sound hollow, which is quite.

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  Oh, you do want that.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  There's goo.

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  It's goo.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  Well done.

• 1:03:36Speaker 00

  Show him the goo.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  There's a crispy outer shell. There's a light fluffy goo. I'm impressed.

• 1:03:44Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Okay. I don't know whether to mark it first or try.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  I think you should try John's first.

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  Okay. I don't want to go for the perfect poo one.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  I think I'm gonna go for this little friend at the back.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  And do take the, do take the base because you might get a little treat when you taste the base.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Oh, he's put, he's put taste in the base.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Taste the base first.

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  There's tobacco in that.

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  Now that's slightly concerning. Shall we do the, um?

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's good.

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  Very good. Nice and light. What's his, uh, mouth made from?

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  Um, icing.

• 1:04:21Speaker 00

  Red Leicester.

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  Delicious.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Go on, Kendall, I'll, I'll just leave this one with you. She's in. It's gooey as well.

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  Of goo.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Fair play.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  Are you tasting one, Dave?

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Let's keep one for the carer.

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  Wow, why is he more surprised at John's?

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Is there mint in this?

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  It's, there's a, there's a flavour though, isn't there?

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  There's a flavour.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Well, there, there's, there's mint in the ectoplasm, which may have just rubbed off on the bottom.

• 1:04:50Speaker 00

  But the disc slash ectoplasm, is that a failed meringue?

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  There's no such thing as failure when you're constantly creating.

• 1:05:00Speaker 00

  Okay. It was it.

• 1:05:04Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, okay, okay.

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  We've already had problems with John's cheating this episode.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  We've always had problems with, with John's ingenuity.

• 1:05:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, obviously. Oh, yeah, sorry, we should have said Kendall, uh, he paid Gordon Ramsay to make his meringues. Because the challenge was just to bring some meringues in.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  All right, Kendall, taste, hit me.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  Okay, taste.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Kendall's gone in again.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  I think.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  What, what are you thinking, Ellis? Yes, please.

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  I think the taste.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  I think it's a four point two.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  She's gone high again.

• 1:05:33Speaker 03

  I've gone high again.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Love your use of decimals.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  Well, you don't get this one strictly. Uh, four point two for Ellis.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Texturally, it's perfect.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  Thank you very much.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  It's perfect, but is it?

• 1:05:48Speaker 00

  We put a posh new oven about six months ago and it's basically got a meringue setting.

• 1:05:54Speaker 00

  Which is, you should be in the handbook.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  Wow. Uh, what's John getting here, Kendall? We're on taste.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  John, I'm really sorry. I don't like the taste of mint.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  This is a risk, it was a risk.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  It was a risk.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  Not in, not in my sweets. And I know that the, the man himself isn't minty. But you'd still get that element of mint through it. So I'm gonna give you a three point eight on taste.

• 1:06:20Speaker 00

  Three point eight.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  However, impressed at the goo.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, Ellis, you've got great goo.

• 1:06:25Speaker 00

  I'm impressed at the goo.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  You gooed it well.

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  Covered in meringue.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  Well, we're, we're currently at seven point two to Ellis.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  That's good math.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  And eight point three to John.

• 1:06:35Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Is that right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  Absolutely, now I do.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, eight point three to John, seven point two to Ellis. So we go into the final round, which is.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  Final round.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  Spookiness. She could argue it's luck as well, but we've got. Spookiness is the final round, so no more tasting needed, Kendall.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  No more tasting.

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  Maybe just have a look at the, uh, the couple of meringues that haven't been eaten yet and make a call.

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  He's so sad.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  I think look at creativity, look at.

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  Creativity.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  I suppose delicate accuracy as well is probably something, you know, motor, motor skills with your hands.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  What's that got to do with spookiness?

• 1:07:10Speaker 02

  Well, you know, you've got to be quite polite.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  That's the look, which we've already marked.

• 1:07:15Speaker 03

  I, yeah, it's quite a similar category. I think I have to go with which one made me the most frightened. When I, when I looked at it. I think this little friend here, John, spookiness, I think he's a four point one.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Four point one.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  I'll take that.

• 1:07:34Speaker 02

  I would as well.

• 1:07:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  Now, I know I like to aim high, but this one's genuinely terrifying.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  I'm scared of him.

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  Ellis has got one of them.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  I'm gonna be thinking about him and he's gonna give me nightmares and he is a 4.8 scariness.

• 1:07:50Speaker 00

  If anything, taking him on the train made him spookier.

• 1:07:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:54Speaker 00

  Because when his chocolate eyeballs were closer to the surface, um, he looked a bit more friendly.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  He looks like he's in a David Bowie video.

• 1:08:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, there's many eyeballs.

• 1:08:04Speaker 00

  There's lots of eyeballs, yeah.

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:06Speaker 00

  And obviously he's bleeding from the eyeballs.

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  There's one there, look.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  Brilliant. Um, okay, quick maths.

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  Sorry if this is wrong. I mean, there is a clear winner, so this won't affect the actual results. What I have here, after the three rounds of Ellis had three for luck, 4.2 for taste, 4.8 for spookiness. John had 4.5 for luck, 3.8 for taste, and then 4.1 for spookiness. It means John wins with 13.1 to Ellis's 12.

• 1:08:37Speaker 00

  13.1 out of a possible 15.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  Which is remarkable considering they look like excrement on a failed meringue.

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  But delicious and I'm genuinely impressed. I'm so impressed from both of you.

• 1:08:51Speaker 00

  We had a bad oven.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. For years and then we bought a good oven and it makes an absolutely massive difference. Mainly because last year's Christmas turkey was on the edge.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:09:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. It was.

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  What do you mean on the edge?

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Speaker 00

  In the, I think five minutes less in the oven, we'd have all been dead.

• 1:09:15Speaker 00

  But, but we survived.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:17Speaker 00

  But it was, it was a lesson and we've bought a new oven.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Sushi turkey. Great. Well, thank you so much, Kendall, for coming in. Thank you for all your eggs.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:09:29Speaker 00

  I need a nice coffee.

• 1:09:30Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And, um.

• 1:09:33Speaker 00

  I need a granola pot, which I really like. I've one every week.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Speaker 00

  I've already paid for it, haven't I, yeah?

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  And the, come on.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  And the brownies.

• 1:09:40Speaker 03

  You're welcome.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, Michael, we'll be down for some coffees in a second.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  So, look forward to it.

• 1:09:45Speaker 03

  I'll just go make those now.

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  And if you want visuals for this, of course, there's a cinematic universe. We'll put this on our, on our Insta socials as well.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Yes, we should put this on Instagram so everyone can see.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, we'll do that today. So you can see this immediately off the back of the podcast release. And no doubt it'll end up in the Cara next week as well.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  Because they're good, good efforts.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  And you might see it in the BAFTAs.

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  You might see it in the Visual Innovation Award at the BAFTAs.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then in memoriam at the Oscars.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  Thank you, Kendall.

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  Thank you, boys.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  All right. Well, Kendall has gone. I've now eaten so much meringue that I'm actually tingling in my extremities.

• 1:10:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, my eyeballs are chinga.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  It's like when you have, you come out of hospital and have your first cigarette. It's like way too much.

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  Um, so you just need to build up that nicotine tolerance.

• 1:10:38Speaker 00

  Build up the tolerance.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  Build up the tolerance.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  10 meringues a day.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  10 meringues a day.

• 1:10:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:43Speaker 00

  Well, my teeth feel weird.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, my teeth feel, also then I've, I've got the, the mint element as well, which probably was a mistake. I think Ellis's do look better as meringues, I have to say. If I went into a shop and there was no spookiness and I just saw them, I would be going for Ellis's 100% of the time.

• 1:10:59Speaker 00

  I think yours are more creative than mine in their spookiness, but mine look like the kind of meringue you would buy in a shop.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I'd have them on an Eton mess.

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  Are grittier and darker than mine.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know why that is. Um, it might be because my oven is quite old and.

• 1:11:16Speaker 00

  What, you mean you have got meringue setting in your oven?

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:11:19Speaker 00

  What sort of loser does a meringue setting on his?

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  I've got heat spots in my oven.

• 1:11:23Speaker 00

  I, we had.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  Pizza burns on one side and is underdone on the other.

• 1:11:27Speaker 00

  We had terrible heat spots. Hence Turkey Gate.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Hence Turkey Gate. So there may be some behind the scenes footage of our meringue making, available in the world at some point in the future.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  Um, TBC, TBP, TBS.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  So all of them, all the two Bs.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  Um, and we all need to lie down now.

• 1:11:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  But we won't sleep.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  I need to wash my hands. I didn't sleep last night. I tried a meringue at midnight and it actually did. I couldn't resist it.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  That'll do that.

• 1:11:58Speaker 00

  If you have a midnight meringue day, it's gonna affect your sleep.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  Did you eat the meringue mix?

• 1:12:02Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Oh, I ate the meringue mix.

• 1:12:03Speaker 00

  Oh, did you?

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's absolutely delicious.

• 1:12:05Speaker 00

  Oh, my goodness, yes.

• 1:12:05Speaker 00

  So what, straight from the bowl?

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, there might be footage of me eating the meringue mix.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  Is that raw egg?

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Raw egg, right, yeah.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  I suppose that's fine, isn't it?

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  I wouldn't know, but I think so.

• 1:12:15Speaker 00

  Well, are you all right today?

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:18Speaker 00

  I ate some cockles I thought were on the turn on Wednesday, but Thursday was fine. So clearly I got away with it good.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  You got away with it. Uh, yeah. So we'll see you on Saturday for the bureau and Tuesday for the Tuesday episode. Bye bye.

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