Optimize Your Hormones, Gut Health & Energy to Feel Better at Any Age with Kristin Kliethermes

Have you been told your labs are “normal” even though you know you don’t feel like yourself? In this episode, I sit down with functional medicine practitioner Kristin Kliethermes to talk about the symptoms women are often told to accept as part of aging, from brain fog and anxiety to poor sleep, low energy, and changes in libido. Kristin breaks down the difference between normal and optimal lab results, how your hormones, gut health, and cortisol are connected, and what to know about hormone replacement therapy. We also talk about advocating for yourself when you feel dismissed and why taking care of your health transforms how you show up in your relationships, career, and business. Get ready to understand what your body is telling you and discover how good you can actually feel. Check out our Sponsors: Shopify - Try the ecommerce platform I trust for Glōci. Sign up for your $1/month trial period at http://Shopify.com/happy. Monarch Money - Get your first year of Monarch Core for half off at http://Monarch.com with code EYH. Northwest Registered Agent - Visit http://northwestregisteredagent.com/EarnFree and start using free resources to build something amazing. Fabric - Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at http://meetfabric.com/earn. Indeed - Indeed is giving Earn Your Happy listeners a $75 SPONSORED JOB CREDIT to help get your job the premium status it deserves. Just go to http://Indeed.com/podcast right now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on Earn Your Happy. Momentous - If you want to try Momentous Signature Spec Creatine, head to http://livemomentous.com and use code EARN for up to 35% off your entire first order. Brevo - Meet Brevo…the all-in-one marketing and CRM platform built to help you connect with customers, boost engagement, and grow your business smarter. Get started for free today—or use code HAPPY50 to save 50% on Starter and Standard Plans for the first three months of an annual subscription. Just head to http://www.brevo.com/happy HIGHLIGHTS 00:00 What happens to your business when you’re not feeling your best. 03:00 Who were you before you became the woman you are today? 05:30 Why taking care of yourself doesn’t make you a bad mom. 06:45 The health struggles women are often too embarrassed to talk about. 11:00 Why you don’t have to accept feeling bad as you age. 13:15 What Kristin discovered was missing from conventional women’s healthcare. 18:00 How does testosterone affect women beyond sexual health? 20:45 How to find the hormone replacement option that works best for you. 23:30 Why “normal” lab results don’t always mean your health is optimal. 27:30 Signs of perimenopause that can show up before changes in your cycle. 31:00 Why your 40s, 50s, and beyond can be your best years. 36:00 How your gut, hormones, and cortisol work together. 39:15 How to advocate for yourself when your provider isn’t listening. RESOURCES Text “HAPPY” to 8329051202 to get Kristin’s lab guide and discover which labs to ask for. Get Kristin’s free lab guide and learn more about working with her HERE! Apply for the Elite Entrepreneur Mastermind HERE! Get on the waitlist for Mentor Collective Mastermind HERE! Try glōci for 40% off your first order with code HAPPY at checkout - head to getgloci.com FOLLOW Follow me: @loriharder Follow glōci: @getgloci Follow Kristin: @kristinleighwellness

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  When you're not sleeping, when you are irritable, that is also going to come across in everything that you do. And then people aren't going to work with you. They're not gonna want to be around you. And when you know that there's a solution, why would you not just do it?

• 3:14Speaker 00

  Kristin, welcome back to the podcast.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 3:17Speaker 00

  Thank you for coming back on. You've been on before.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:20Speaker 00

  Yes, and this is like some of your, you're not somebody who loves public speaking.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Not at all.

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  And necessarily going on podcasts, but you make yourself go.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  I do. Yeah, this is actually my third time ever being on a podcast. The second was yours. And honestly, after that one, it was so much fun to talk to you and Chris that I was like, okay, I can do this. And I also just feel like there's so much to be said about the space that I work in that it is just really important for me to get as much correct information out there to the masses.

• 3:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, you were saying this before about how, you know, she sat down in the chair and she was like, oh God. I'm like, okay, this is gonna be fun. And that's like the worst thing you can say to people like, relax, this will be fun. No, I totally get it. I actually, before every single podcast, get butterflies too. Because in my brain, I'm like, okay, where's this gonna go? Am I gonna keep this on track the way I want? Is this gonna come out the way that they want? So there's so much going on in your brain that I love sharing this with people who are listening because it makes it possible for them. Cause they're sitting in their car right now or walking wherever, going. Oh my God, they make it sound so easy when honestly, the first like five to 10 minutes of a podcast are kind of rough sometimes. You're like, okay.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, hearts racing. You're kind of like, oh my gosh, am I even here? Am I present? Am I gonna say the right words? But I've just started to reframe that energy. And instead of me thinking, oh my gosh, I'm nervous, I'm gonna mess up. I just tell myself, no, you're excited. This is excited energy. And I, you know, meditated this morning. I went on a walk. I kind of helped ground myself a little bit just to remind myself of what I'm really hoping to do and how I'm really hoping to help people. And so if I take myself out of the equation and really think about the transformations that not only I've done personally in my own life, but the transformations that I've helped, you know, women do now. If I can do more of that, then I can, I can do hard things.

• 5:22Speaker 00

  For sure. I mean, like, I have to say that to myself all the time. And, you know, most of the time we start businesses based off of the woman we used to be, the problems we used to have and knowing that we have gotten through them ourselves and that we really want to speak to that person. So who did you used to be? That you now today feel like you want to talk to, like, where were you? What were you experiencing? What was going on in your life? That made you want to create a transformation for that version of you?

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a really, really good question. Cause honestly, sometimes I don't even think about that time in my life. Because you know, you're just like, this is who I've always been. And so you don't always see the transformation that you're making until you really do sit back and look at those things. I would say mine was after becoming a mom. I had my first daughter in 2014 and just everything was about my daughter. I kind of lost myself in her in a way, and not in a bad way, but I didn't really have Kristin's identity anymore. It was Hadley's identity and who I am as a mom, who I was as a nurse, who I was as a wife. And then I lost my daughter, Brooklyn in 2016. She was a stillborn at 30 weeks.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  And that really catapulted me into this like, life is short. What am I doing? I'm not happy. I'm not living to my full potential. And I really just started to navigate what that even looks like and how, I mean, yes, it was my health, but it was also, you know, my marriage, my activity, how I was showing up as friends. I didn't really hang out with my friends anymore because I was so into my daughter. So I think a lot of that over the last 10 years, now I feel, you know, she's also why I can do this because I'm like, I've done hard things, you know, I had a stillborn. And so this is in comparison, super easy, but it's still nerve wracking.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  So I think that that kind of getting out of stepping into the next version of yourself is like, you're gonna get super kind of grainy and hard. And then on the other side of that is just like this, oh, that was so worth it moment.

• 7:38Speaker 00

  Oh, what, what do you think in those, in those times back there? That you felt like you were fighting against, meaning like, what were some of the norms that you heard growing up? Or maybe amongst your friends or, you know, the, the things that you had to work through in order to even start thinking that it was something you needed to do to take care of yourself?

• 8:01Speaker 01

  I mean, I think too, I was a, I'm maybe an older mom. I was 30 when I had Hadley. I think that's more common nowadays.

• 8:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. But for where you, you're middle of the country.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, middle of the country, southern, you know, I grew up in Arkansas and now live in Texas.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  That was considered older. It was like, you're 30, are you okay?

• 8:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. And now I'm almost 45 and it's like, what are we doing?

• 8:24Speaker 00

  They're just starting to talk about having kids out here at 45. So you're good.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. And we're geriatric, right?

• 8:30Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  So, I mean, I think that it was just the normal, like, you're supposed to be a mom. You're supposed to, everything is about your daughter. You've lived your life, you know? And now that you have a kid, then it doesn't matter if you aren't sleeping well or don't have time to go to the gym or, you know, don't have time for your friends or yourself. And I just don't think that that is beneficial for us. Because then it's like, not only do we lose ourselves, well, what do we do when our kids are grown and out of the house? And we don't even recognize ourselves anymore. And I see a lot of that in my patients now where they're in their, you know, age of, you know, empty nesting. And they're like, holy cow, do I like myself? Do I like my husband? Do I like, you know, now what?

• 9:15Speaker 01

  And so we don't have to wait 18 years to, to figure out how to continually live our life and be happy.

• 9:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I really want you right now to normalize the conversation that's happening inside of the walls of when people come to you. Because, you know, they're coming, dealing with things that they feel are either weird, shameful, not right. Something's gotta be wrong with me. Am I depressed? Am I broken? Can you like really let us in on some of the conversations of people that are coming to you?

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Well, I feel like I have a similar conversation all the time, but a lot of it does stem around lack of sleep. And so then they, you know, aren't sleeping well. So then they're moody the next day. Lack of libido, is it that my partner's not interested in me? Am I no longer attractive? Or am I just not interested in them? They would rather sleep in separate beds and never even have any intimacy? Which is okay for some people, but when you are wanting to be-

• 10:17Speaker 00

  Right, when you want that or you're silent about it.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then that causes so much tension in the marriage. Um, I mean, I've literally had women come to me and say, you know, you've saved my marriage because now me and my husband, we communicate better. We have, you know, intimacy again. And I joke and I'm like, well, I do like flowers, so your husband can send me flowers.

• 10:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Also, you know, I've had a woman come and she was scared she was gonna lose her job because she could not find the words. And she was in a corporate position where she was running meetings. And she's like, I couldn't even run a meeting because I couldn't remember what I was trying to-

• 10:56Speaker 00

  Oh, God.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  -tell, you know? And she was crying, just like, I can't lose my job, you know? Of course, I mean, we have to be able to afford our life.

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  Yeah.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Um, and so after we worked together, I mean, it was only like three or four months. The next time I saw her and she was actually promoted in her business because she literally was like, oh, my gosh, I can think again. I'm sleeping better, my energy is better. I actually have clear thoughts on what I'm trying to accomplish every day instead of this, you know, brain fog, walking through mud feeling. And I hear that a lot as well. You know, there's another, I would say that people just feel so dismissed by the time they come to me. And it's really frustrating because you go and you think that you're going to a professional and they run, you know, five labs and are like, you're fine.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Or, oh, here's an antidepressant, you're just, you know, depressed. And so women come in and they're literally in tears and crying. I don't know what's wrong with me. I don't know if my job's gonna be here. I don't know if my husband's gonna be here. I'm snapping at my kids. I don't recognize myself. I am miserable. And they can't figure out, are they mental? I mean, is it really like a mental illness? Or is there something else going on? And by the time that we get done with even that initial conversation, um, they leave that first, you know, conversation with hope.

• 12:24Speaker 00

  So much relief.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, so much relief because I'm like, okay, this is common. I hear this all the time, but that doesn't mean it's normal. That doesn't mean you have to continue living like this.

• 12:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  And this is what is happening in your body and these are the steps that we do to fix it.

• 12:40Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, it's like the amount of relief people experience on the other side of this, even just when people can understand their problem even better than they do. Like, oh, the, the reason that I feel snappy is that's a part of, you know, this issue that I've been dealing with or something that I had no clue about.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 00

  And I think, you know, having these conversations, especially having, uh, women like you in my life, has made me so aware of like what we don't have to live with anymore.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  And, you know, a lot of times we just think like, oh, this is it.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  And I remember that in my thirties, like I would hear all these women in their forties or fifties and being like, oh, it sucks once you get here. It sucks once you're this age and that age. And I remember like, we're like rejecting that. And now I really feel for them because back even, even five years ago, like it was such a kind of like shameful conversation, like, oh, you're gonna, you're gonna do like hormone replacement therapy or you're gonna try this or that or what's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? You're aging and it doesn't have to be that way.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  Exactly. It's like, why do we have to feel like we have to push through?

• 13:46Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Because somebody else did?

• 13:48Speaker 00

  Men are not pushing through.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Men are not pushing through.

• 13:50Speaker 00

  They're popping a little blue pill and shooting testosterone.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Exactly. And if men had these issues, we would have a lot more support. So, um, it's wild to me, the, the things that women constantly, and, and even when they come and talk to me, they still feel guilty about putting themselves first. And I also, so it's almost like a mind shift change that you have to realize that you can't show up for whomever, whether that's your, your job, you know, you're trying to run a household, your kids, if you don't take care of yourself first. And why wait until something really happens? You know, let's work on the prevention, let's get the foundations. And there's so much that can be done.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Um, and I don't think that, because there is so much information out there now, I think that makes it also a little bit more confusing.

• 14:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, definitely.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Because then you're just like throwing things at yourself, thinking, you know, oh, I'll try this, I'll try that.

• 14:48Speaker 00

  And then you can be trying things and because you don't have maybe the right help or maybe that thing wasn't for you, you can then, it can then lock in the belief that something didn't work for you even more like, oh, well, that worked for them. Now I feel even more disempowered because it didn't work for me because you didn't have the right solution for you or the right protocol for yourself.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Exactly.

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  I have so been there where I'm like, oh, I don't even get to use this magic stuff because I, you know, I, I did it wrong or found out about it wrong or whatever it is. But, um, you know, I remember back in the Midwest when I very first really started, uh, growing my business, one of the first things I did was I got a housekeeper. And I remember not telling anyone because my friends threw so much shade on anyone who had a housekeeper. Like, they were like, oh, my God, well, she doesn't have to do that herself. Well, she can pay for that or her husband pays for that. And I was like, looking at the way that we have been programmed, no wonder we have an uphill battle when we feel bad about if someone helps us come take care of our home because now we're all working.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:49Speaker 00

  And so I love that you're out here just normalizing the conversation. So let's kind of talk about how you got into it because you left conventional medicine in March of 2024 to build what you now do, which is your functional medicine practice. So what was the moment you knew you couldn't stay?

• 16:08Speaker 01

  I think it kind of was over a few years of the constant not being able to help women how I wanted to, to begin with. But so I, I was a NICU nurse and then I went back to school, got my masters, worked in pediatrics for a while. And even in that arena, I could not help those patients. It was always, well, you have to go to this specialist, this specialist, it's gonna take six months. And so it was frustrating. Left there, got more into the women's health side of things, which I obviously do now with the hormones. Um, and so I was optimizing women the way I was taught, their vitamin levels, their thyroid and their hormones. Well, then they kept coming back to me and be like, well, I felt good for six weeks and then I didn't.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Or, um, you know, we kept having to change things, which wasn't making a difference. And so I was like, what am I missing? Why are women still coming back to me saying that they aren't feeling good? Or it worked for a short amount of time and now it's not. And so I started to dig deeper into my own education and that's when I started to do functional medicine. And I, at the time, that was what, two and a half years ago? I was working at an OB GYN clinic and I still, women were coming in and it just, it, it wasn't working. They still, you know, the conversations that I was having from them going to other doctors

• 17:31Speaker 01

  and being told, oh, well, you have to choose which one you wanna deal with. Do you want cancer or do you want vaginal dryness? I mean, they would make it so extreme. And I'm like, this is absurd. Why are we not digging deeper and helping women to know the way that I know that we can? Um, and so really it just was compounded of the constant conversation and being under somebody else's practice, I still couldn't offer the solution. And that's when I finally just said, you know what? I, I can still do the hormones and I can offer the functional medicine side. I can see you as a whole woman instead of, well, I only fix this piece of you because that's not how our systems work.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Um, and so that was really what finally was just like, okay, I, I can do this.

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• 22:26Speaker 00

  I feel like a lot of people know what functional medicine is, but could you explain what that means compared to traditional? And then what made you really decide to niche in this category of really helping women with hormones and just all of the things that you do? So specifically tell me about that, too.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  So think conventional medicine. We're trained more to be reactive. So we wait until there's actually something wrong with you, or it is very medicine driven. You know, I didn't learn about nutrition. I didn't learn about the importance of your detox and sleep and nervous system and nurse practitioner school. And then it's also, we don't look at you as a whole. If I am doing, you know, one system, that's the only thing I'm going to do. And then I'm going to refer you to somebody else and none of those people are talking together. And so then now you have six people trying to tell you how to manage your health, but they don't know what the next person's doing.

• 23:25Speaker 00

  They don't know you're eating cheeseburgers, drinking wine and not sleeping.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then they're just like, oh, well, here, take this medicine. And it's like, oh, that's not the answer always. I mean, there's a time and a place for it. But, um, and so functional medicine is more of looking deeper, not only as us as a whole, so all systems together and how they kind of tug and pull at each other. And then not using a Band-Aid approach. Let's use the proper labs to really see what your body's telling us. How is your gut working? How is your immune system? How are you metabolizing your hormones? Are you pushing them down protective pathways instead of, you know, ones that could cause problems? What is your cortisol curve? Because not just one AM cortisol that gives

• 24:12Speaker 01

  you no information. So it's really looking at those pieces and then making the foundations of your health, you know, optimized. So when we do give things like hormones or other tools that we have, thankfully, your body knows how to process them. You have, you know, better results. And long-term, it's the longevity of it is what is really fascinating to me.

• 24:42Speaker 00

  Okay. So I'm not on any hormone replacement therapy, but when you were talking at our house, because we did a, you know, like a essentially like a VIP in-person day with you, which was, is so much fun.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  It was a lot of fun.

• 24:55Speaker 00

  Um, but you were kind of telling us about all the different, you know, treatments that your patients do. And you were talking about like, there's creams, there's pellets, there's injections. Can you like, open that whole world up for us and tell us why and what and why do certain people use what and when?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. So let's just talk first about the different hormones. Testosterone, estrogen and progesterone are what, um, you know, I prescribe and what women need. Um, I'll first just want to say about testosterone, because most people, when they hear that, they think, oh, that's a man's hormone. Oh, it's going to make me manly or it's going to make me angry. And that's just not the case. Testosterone is the most abundant hormone that we have as well. It starts to decline earlier and earlier now, just because of our life environment.

• 25:44Speaker 00

  Great.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  But it is, yeah, yeah. Um, and so testosterone is a calming hormone. It helps with irritability, anxiety, depression. Um, it helps with our libido, our motivation, our sleep, our energy, able to build muscle, um, and not in a bulky way, but just a, you know, lean, however a female wants to look. Um, so testosterone comes in three different forms. Cream for me. Um, cream, oral dissolvable tablet and a pellet. And for my patients, I meet them wherever they are and whatever their comfort level is. If, you know, people are a little intimidated by it, then we always start with something like a cream or a dissolvable

• 26:29Speaker 01

  tablet. So that way, if they don't like it, for whatever reason, we can stop it.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  Right. And it's not like in your system.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 26:35Speaker 00

  For a long term, anyway.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Correct. Um, and, and that's a daily thing that you do one to two times a day. And we adjust the dose accordingly, you know, kind of tight, straight up until we find your dose, which is another reason why I like it.

• 26:47Speaker 00

  And when you say don't like it, is it because they're just like, it's too much or an adverse reaction or?

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Some people don't feel the effects of it as much. Um, some people don't like if they do start to get their libido gets a little bit too strong for their liking. That's usually the cause. Some people, if you do have acne, then it can increase your risk of acne, but that's another reason why I like to do the urine Dutch test, because it tells me if you're going to push your testosterone down that pathway and we work on fixing that to prevent that from happening. And then the pellet is also something that I do. That is my personal favorite, but not for everyone. And I know that it gets a bad rep. People talk very negatively about it.

• 27:35Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 27:35Speaker 01

  They do. Um, and I don't know if it's just because they're not familiar with it or if they have had bad experiences themselves. Um, but it does matter where you get your pellet made from, compounding pharmacies, and it does matter who is giving you your pellet and if they understand how it works. Um, it is not a time release thing. It's a heartbeat release thing. So as your heart beats, it pulls the pellet testosterone into your bloodstream. And it's, the pellets that I use mimic your endocrine system. So it's bio-identical. It's what your body has already been making. Um, so it just knows what to do with it. And it releases, it lasts usually for females, um, 12 to 14 weeks and men like 16 to 18 weeks.

• 28:17Speaker 00

  Okay. So how does, all I picture is this big like horse pellet. Like what do, how do we, what does this look like? How does it go in?

• 28:26Speaker 01

  So they come in different doses. So they are different sizes, but just think like rabbit food, um, for testosterone. I mean, it's a tiny, tiny.

• 28:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Just, you know, looks like a pill, but smaller.

• 28:39Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  Um, and then estrogen is even smaller. I mean, some of them even like dissolve super quick because they are so, so small. Um, but they go into the butt cheek of a female and I numb the area with lidocaine and make a small incision and push them in with what's called a trocar, I think like a straw.

• 29:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  And then it has a plunger.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  And then it goes and sits into the tissue.

• 29:06Speaker 00

  And it just like, doesn't leave a scar, heals up right away.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 29:10Speaker 00

  Fine. That's so interesting.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. I usually stare strips to close it. So you don't even need stitches.

• 29:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Um, and then it heals up and it just sits there. You can't feel it from the outside and it dissolves over that 12 to 14 weeks. Um, it's made out of yams. It's, um, yeah. So I mean, it's very fascinating.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  And why do you love it? Why do you love that one?

• 29:32Speaker 01

  I like it because you don't have to remember to take it.

• 29:35Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  It's convenient. So that's another issue with the others, that if you forget to do it, um, then you're not going to get the benefits of the hormone. So you come to see me three to four times a year, you get a pellet and it literally just releases slowly. I think you also get the best absorption. Obviously it is in your bloodstream and you don't have a spike and a crash from it. Once you find your dose and we do a little bit more labs when, on the pellet, just to see kind of what your levels are, how you feel, what you like, what you don't like, what's still resonating, and then we adjust accordingly.

• 30:11Speaker 00

  Okay. Let's talk about labs.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:13Speaker 00

  Because a lot of people will go and get their blood work done and they'll have somebody look at it and they'll be like, you're, you're normal. You're great. But they still feel awful.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  Why is that happening?

• 30:25Speaker 01

  A couple of things. They're not, one, ordering all of the right labs.

• 30:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  So a lot of times you go and they get a CBC, maybe a CMP, they do gestrothyroid TSH. And so that doesn't give you a big picture of what you're doing. Also, each lab has their own set of ranges and those ranges are made up of the quote unquote sick people, the people who are not optimized already coming in. So we're comparing our health and our optimization to people who are not feeling well already. And, and sure, there's some levels that are pretty standardized across the board, but not all of them. You know, a TSH, for example, functional, we really want less than two. Well, conventional, you can get up to four, 4.5, and that's considered normal.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  And that's anything but. So, um, so that's one of the reasons. And then, once you get the full panel, then you can really see what is optimal as opposed to normal.

• 31:25Speaker 00

  Okay. So if, if, if a woman's listening and she feels like she's doing everything right, maybe she's done the labs, but is like, oh God, I didn't do all of those labs. What would you say is a great place for her to start? Because I know you've talked a lot about, you know, when we get to go deeper in our conversations, you're like, people don't understand the importance of if you're going to do HRT, if you're going to be doing these different things and dabbling in things that you really need somebody to help you through it, to check in, to shift things around, to like, really get this specifically working for you.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 32:03Speaker 00

  So where would you say is a great place for someone to start? Cause this is, this is like the really overwhelming part.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  It is.

• 32:08Speaker 00

  They don't know who to go to. They ask their friend. This isn't like advertised out there, you know, and they ask their doctor and they're not going to get the same answer of somebody who like specifically really wants to help them through these sets of problems.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Um, well, I would say that I made a lab guide that, cause this is probably one of the most, I hear it every single day.

• 32:29Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  So I did make a lab guide that gives you what optimal ranges are. So you can always see, okay, this is the full panel I need. You can ask your doctor to run it. Um, if they won't, cause sometimes they'll be like, well, we don't do anything about that. So I run this level, um, see if they'll let you pay cash for it and if that makes a difference.

• 32:50Speaker 00

  And there's other places too, you can go, right?

• 32:52Speaker 01

  You can go online.

• 32:52Speaker 00

  Like I've been to a bunch of, yeah.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  You can go and nowadays there's places you can do.

• 32:56Speaker 00

  Places you can just go in. Okay.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, but it shows all of the optimal ranges and the full panel that I run on all of my patients, plus the stool test and the Dutch test and why those are important, um, and what those measure. So that way you can really get an idea of, you know, why I do those. And in conventional medicine, they don't even really look at these functional labs as necessary. And I think anyone who does do hormone replacement therapy should a hundred percent get a Dutch, because this is telling us, hey, are you pushing your estrogen down pathways that are protective? Are they not protective? Um, you know, this is why you don't feel well, because estrogen, it may not be that you have too much estrogen.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  It may be that your gut is recycling your estrogen. It may be that your progesterone to estrogen ratio is imbalanced. Um, so estrogen gets a bad rep, but it's not always, you know, the culprit. It could be other causes. Your detox pathways aren't opened and so you're holding on to it.

• 33:59Speaker 00

  Is a lot of this showing up, and I know you were really talking about kind of the ways that it's showing up, but is a lot of it like mood, energy, just can't lose weight? Or like, what's the specifics? You had, you had said it before, but if you are literally in a place of like, I feel like I hear so many people who are like, I feel like I'm way more anxious. I feel like I'm super moody. It's just, is that mainly why you think people start asking the question about this? Cause you just feel off, like totally off.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  I mean, I hear all the time, I just don't recognize myself anymore. You know, I look in the mirror and I'm like, who is she? Um, which is a wild feeling, you know, to have. Anxiety is a big one, because when we get into even perimenopause, which, you know, doesn't have to be in our 40s and 50s, like that is, and it doesn't have to be once our cycle starts to change. I think people think, oh, well, I'm still having a monthly cycle. I must not be in perimenopause. No, these fluctuations in our estrogen and progesterone happen way before that. Um, so anxiety is a big one that people have and that can be your cortisol, that could be your progesterone tanking. Once again, that's why testing is

• 35:13Speaker 01

  so important to see exactly what is causing you this. It's not because something's wrong with you or that you're crazy. The snapping at your kids, that's another thing that, you know, people, women feel so guilty because they're like, oh my gosh, I just snapped at my kid for no reason. And it's like, I had no control over my body at the moment. And that's a fluctuation in what's happening in your body. Um, and it deserves to be looked at and addressed. You know, you don't have to, it, it's not something you have to live with. And that is what I think is so frustrating for me as a provider, but also as women in general, they're like, well, this is just it. And it's like, no, it's not.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

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• 40:09Speaker 00

  pay any price to help this. And so what is a range typically that people pay to kind of, I know it's gonna, I know this is gonna be such a massive range, but what's kind of the monthly range that you're finding has been able to, with great care, obviously to really help with the solution, um, that people spend to solve these problems?

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Um, so I do my stuff more in packages.

• 40:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  And so it's more of like, hey, let's bundle these things together to work on foundations from the get go.

• 40:42Speaker 00

  Which I feel gets the best result.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:44Speaker 00

  Done it all. So.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then it can go into like a monthly quote unquote maintenance, but that range is anywhere between like three to $7,000 for a six month bundle package, however you wanna, you know, think of it.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  But that includes labs, you know, protocols, nutrition support, lifestyle support. I mean, it's literally whatever you need to get you optimized and feeling your best. That is the support that, you know, I give and, um,

• 41:17Speaker 01

  It's constant access to me for texting, you know, calls if you need it. I mean, it's just whatever you need.

• 41:24Speaker 00

  I think that's the great thing about working with someone like you is the fact that you're not going for normal.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, not at all.

• 41:31Speaker 00

  And I will, I like literally in my life cannot settle for normal. I can't do the normal conversation. I can't be around people who are just like striving for normal. Because I really, really believe, especially with, I know, it's not even a belief, it's a, it's a knowing. Cause I'm living it with everything that's out there and all of the access we have to people like you, to different professionals. To the, how fast AI is giving us massive knowledge exposure to what is possible. It's like, we really actually get to be optimized in our 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s. And this old conversation that was only five to 10 years ago of everything being over at 40, essentially.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  Like everything just breaks down and goes downhill. I'm 45, I feel better than 25, like truly. And so I want people to understand that like even my 25 year old self was even thinking of 35 going, oh my God, that's awful. It's over the hill. And I'm like, I would not want to be 25 again, because I, I've never felt so good. I feel so much wiser, so much more empowered, love my body, love how I feel every single day. Like I love talking to women like you because of, I think a lot of our depression and anxiety also comes from our belief that we're done.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Yep. Well, and we're such, you know, I feel like high achievers in general, and the majority of the women that I talk to are. It's like in every area of your life. And so it's like, oh, okay, you're gonna spend money on, you know, the way you look from the outside. Getting your botox, your jewelry, your bags, your clothes, you know, going on the trips with your kids, which is all fantastic. But then you're like dying on the inside.

• 43:15Speaker 00

  You're dead inside, on your trip.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. You don't even, and I talk to women all the time. They're like, I'm like, how was your trip? And they're like, meh. I would have rather been at home in bed without, you know what I mean? And I'm like, oh my gosh, are you serious? Like that is wild. So I agree. I think that, you know, there's like, they say, oh, it's like a curve that's going down and you're just, oh, the best years are behind you. Absolutely not. Cause now you should feel more comfortable in your skin. You should have a little bit more financial stability. And you're, you know, as opposed to when you were 25. So it's like now, why wouldn't you expect the rest of your life to be even better?

• 43:50Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. And you know, you're an entrepreneur and it's like the conversation around not feeling good. And also the correlation of your business not doing well when you don't feel good. That is so real. You are the vessel in which through the creative ideas and the energy that your clients feel. And the energy that people feel on social media and your marketing channels and your emails and all the things. Like you are the most important thing to invest in first, how you feel. Because I will tell you, when I'm off, it's like, I, I will watch things start to shut off. Because it's a, it's an energy. It's a magnetism. It's a people buy, this is just the truth.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 44:31Speaker 00

  People buy who they want to be, not just what. And sometimes you can be really good and have an insane solution and know how to speak. But a lot of people are starting to want to buy it from the person that they would want to be like. That the energy that they experience.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 44:48Speaker 00

  How they look, is this person strong? Is this person somebody that is living a life that they want to live? And so the number one asset is you, the entrepreneur. And, and making sure that you are optimized and dialed in because you're just gonna watch things go faster. You're gonna watch things happen easier. The, the channel in which you experience the creative thoughts and you think of the ideas. And you have the energy to want to put the things out is gonna just accelerate. And trust me when I say, I know both of us sitting here have been on the other side of that.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Oh, 100%.

• 45:23Speaker 00

  And it's pushing a boulder uphill. Like if you don't feel good as the business owner. It's hard to front about that.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:34Speaker 00

  Like it's really hard to fake.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  It is. It is. And why would you, you know, it's like when you're not sleeping, when you are irritable. That is also gonna come across in everything that you do. And then people aren't gonna work with you. They're not gonna want to be around you. And when you know that there's a solution, why would you not just do it? I mean, it just is wild to me that people are like, well, it's okay. I'll wait a little bit longer. Wait for what? Like if you don't do anything, nothing is gonna change. And that's also what I don't understand about people. They just assume that they're gonna keep doing the same thing. And then one day you're just gonna feel better. It's like, no, you have to actually take action.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  And look, it's not always easy, you know, but when you see how well you can feel, it's like you never want to go back.

• 46:23Speaker 00

  I think people don't know how good they can feel. I think they put themselves in a box of that's not for me. Or that's just them. I've tried everything else, but you haven't.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:32Speaker 00

  So I, I did that too.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Normal to, you, you get used to feeling bad.

• 46:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  And so it's almost like, because it's a slow kind of thing that happens over time. That you don't even realize that this could be your new norm, you know? It's like, you don't have to, I don't know, just continue to feel brain fog and poor sleep and all of the things.

• 46:55Speaker 00

  So you talk a lot about the gut, hormones and cortisol being all connected. Can you kind of help me understand how those systems all talk?

• 47:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. So once again, everything talks together, right? But our gut is really the foundation of so much. And it's kind of one of those things that once you learn it, you can't unlearn it. Or, you know, and it's, who knew I'd be so obsessed with people's gut. But a couple of things with, you know, the gut is bacteria, overgrowth, undergrowth, that matters. So yes, we have good bacteria, but when they are not optimized, then they can cause insulin resistance to, you know, have a bigger impact on our life. And then people wonder why they can't lose weight while they were on that GLP one. And maybe it worked for a little bit, or maybe they plateaued. Well, did you get your gut tested? Did you see what was happening in your gut first?

• 47:48Speaker 01

  The immune system is in our gut. There's also a bacteria that recycles estrogen. And so if it is elevated, then, you know, you're recycling this estrogen in your bloodstream. That can cause some more estrogen dominant symptoms and, you know, think PMS, fibroids, endometriosis, things of that nature.

• 48:11Speaker 00

  On the topic of cortisol, it's so big right now because people are, it's almost like they're calling it bad. But I've learned so much through getting my labs done, that cortisol is actually, you know, can, is your friend.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Yes, we need it.

• 48:23Speaker 00

  Tell me about when it's good, when it's bad, all the things.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Sure. So I'm gonna start with just the testing that I do. So the Dutch test looks at your cortisol curve. And that is what's really important because we want, in the morning, when we get up, we want our cortisol to come up. That kind of helps us get that spark of like, okay, I'm ready to get my day started. And then it kind of goes up a little bit throughout the day and then slowly goes down by, of course, the evening and into the nighttime. So we can get sleep.

• 48:50Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  So cortisol, our stress hormone is impacted by so much, right? It can be impacted not only from our, you know, workouts that stresses our body out. And the thing about cortisol too, is that our body doesn't know if it's like a good or bad. As in when we have stress, then it is going to, can potentially raise our cortisol. Driving in the freeway can raise our cortisol. And so really looking at what that curve is. Also, it can be imbalanced. So for me, for example, my cortisol was high at night. And so I was that wired and tired picture.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  And couldn't go to sleep, would literally be exhausted by seven. But then when I would try to go to bed, I would just be wide awake. So I didn't realize that until I got my, you know, cortisol done.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  And so there was things that I needed to do to obviously help myself kind of chill out in the evening and.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  It's so powerful to know that though, because if you're like, oh, my cortisol's really high in the evening. Now you can start going, what are all the ways to lower your cortisol in the evening, you know? And I think that's the empowering thing about what you do is going, oh, look what we actually found. Outside of what is typically looked at. And the insane amount of things you have to do to advocate for yourself is quite nuts. So let's talk about that. If your provider's kind of pushing back and you're, you're like, hey, I listen to this podcast and you annoy the shit out of your doctor by telling him that. How do you, how do you start advocating for yourself? Do you just kind of say, okay, well, maybe I'm just not gonna get my answer here, but I'm gonna go seek it somewhere? Or what does that look like?

• 50:30Speaker 01

  I think yes. I mean, I think that if you're going to a provider and they dismiss you, they don't, you know, they're spending five minutes with you. They don't think you need the labs. They don't want to run the labs. They're not gonna do anything about them. Or they even tell you something negative about what you're trying to do. You know, a lot of people have opinions, of course, about hormone replacement therapy, and a lot of doctors don't like it. So I think that if they don't fit what you're trying to do with your health, then a hundred percent find someone else. Because there are plenty of people out there who will help you. We have to be okay with firing people that no longer align with where we're trying to go in any place in our life.

• 51:12Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. I totally agree. What does it look like for people to work with you?

• 51:16Speaker 01

  So typically it is a initial phone call that we kind of chit chat about everything and just get a, an idea, kind of meet each other. Who's, who I am, who they are. And then, um, once labs are ordered and you do your labs, then we get going. We start working on the foundations of your systems, your detox pathways. I have a nutritionist on my staff as well. Everything is virtual, which is fantastic. And so she helps with that aspect of everything. We don't do diets. We don't do, it's more of let's meet you where you're at. How are we optimizing what you're already doing for your health? Let's make sure that you're eating enough because the majority of us are under fueling.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  And so when we're not eating enough protein, then of course that just trickles down to so many other issues as well. And then we really work together to fix the foundations of whatever your labs show. Once those get back, then I write a specific protocol that is individualized to each person. Which I also think is really important. And that's why it takes me a little bit more time to write my labs. It's because I am constantly going back, okay, this person is, has these issues, these symptoms. This is what their labs are showing. How do we optimize this best for their current life? And it's not like, hey, I'm gonna just throw you a bunch of stuff to start doing, because nobody's gonna do that. It's more baby steps of little tweaks that are just gonna make a difference in what your life is already doing.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  Okay. So if a woman's like, oh my God, you just described me to a T, how do they contact you?

• 52:50Speaker 01

  My Instagram, ChrisDinleyWellness is my Instagram. You can DM me and would love to chat. You can drop the word happy. That is to get my lab guide and kind of next steps for getting to work together.

• 53:06Speaker 00

  Amazing. And we'll put that on the show notes for you guys. Well, I'm so grateful you came on the show and you always, you always make us aware of all the things that are out there, pellets and all. So.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  I know, yes.

• 53:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  I appreciate you.

• 53:20Speaker 00

  Yes. And you guys, until next time, earn your happy. Bye, everyone.