TBT: Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey

Throwback Thursday Bunnie is joined by one of social media's hottest and sexiest couples, Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey. The dynamic duo talk about how they met and fell in love at first photo shoot, advice for overcoming life's challenges and building a new life to be stronger than ever, and what's next for their growing empire. They also discuss how to not compare yourself to others, what life behind the camera is really like, and how to take the power back behind your own reputation. Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 0:27Speaker 01

  Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker, now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde.

• 0:32Bunnie XO?

  Most little girls grew up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit, and I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money, and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child, and here we are.

• 0:42Bunnie XO?

  What's up, you sexy motherfuckers?

• 0:44Speaker 02

  Hey!

• 0:45Bunnie XO?

  Yay! Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today, we have TikTok's cosplay queen, Heidi. How do I pronounce your last name? Is it Lavon or?

• 0:55Speaker 02

  Lavon. Yeah, Lavon, Lavon works. Yeah, a lot of, some people will be like, Lavon.

• 0:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 0:59Speaker 02

  I'm like, that's fancy.

• 1:01Bunnie XO?

  I don't want to mispronounce it. So is it, it's Heidi Lavon?

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Heidi Lavon.

• 1:04Bunnie XO?

  Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey. What's up? I'm so happy to have you guys here.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  I know. It's been so long, man. I feel like, I feel like we've been talking forever.

• 1:13Bunnie XO?

  Dude, well, so I've been following you on Instagram for years. I mean, like, we've all, we all, all of us IG thoughts have migrated over to TikTok, and we've kind of taken it over, though.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  We have, we have. We figured out a way. We figured out a way. You know what I mean?

• 1:31Bunnie XO?

  We're like roaches. We just fucking get into cracks and figure out how to make it work and multiply.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  There's one, there's a bunch of them.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  We team up. We team up. There's a way to do it on TikTok, you know?

• 1:40Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. And some, some girls can figure it out, and some girls can't. The transition's been kind of hard, but I'm happy to see you thriving over there.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  I've tried to explain. Same for you. You, you're just, dude, we've been talking for a while, and the, just like, I just love seeing the, from then till now, is just, there's, there's a lot happening. It's happening really fast.

• 1:56Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Especially for you. I see it.

• 1:58Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate it so much. So, okay. There's so much about you guys and your story individually and together that I want to know. So let's just kind of like dive in.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:10Bunnie XO?

  I want to start with you and then we'll kind of bounce back and forth in between. So where did you grow up Heidi?

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Um, I grew up in Fairbanks, Alaska. Uh, so I was born in Arizona, raised in Alaska, moved back and forth from Alaska to Arizona. And then I ended up in Oregon, actually followed my best friends, shout out to Noel. Uh, I followed my best friends I grew up with in Fairbanks, went to, went to Salem, Oregon, went to Portland, stayed there for probably about 13, 14 years. And during that time I met James.

• 2:42Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that. Well, like we're going to get, we're going to get.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  We're going to get it.

• 2:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we're going to get to that. Is growing up in Salem as spooky as it sounds?

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know, not Salem.

• 2:51Bunnie XO?

  No, she's like, no, no, no.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, growing up in Fairbanks.

• 2:54Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:54Speaker 02

  Fairbanks, Alaska.

• 2:55Bunnie XO?

  You said you migrated over to.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  I migrated over there. I followed my besties over there and I was just there for probably, I don't know, like six months. And I was like, I can't be there. I actually oddly enough, uh, I mean, it's a long, a long story, but the long short is let's see. Born in Arizona, raised in Alaska, uh, went to Arizona, went to back to Alaska. And then I met this guy on tour. This is like, just a very random fact here. I met a guy and then I moved to New York with him and then from New York, we moved to Oregon.

• 3:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  So there's that and.

• 3:29Bunnie XO?

  You sound like a kind of like a wild child. What was your childhood like growing up?

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Very wild.

• 3:33Bunnie XO?

  With your parents?

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm still very close with my parents. Um, yeah, they're about to hit their 45th anniversary. They're still married. That's wild, right?

• 3:41Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Most parents today, just they just aren't.

• 3:44Bunnie XO?

  Bro, my dad's been married like eight times.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Yeah. Eight times.

• 3:50Bunnie XO?

  He's a fucking hoe bag.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Lucky number eight. Uh, yeah, I'm very close with my family. I have three older sisters. I'm the youngest of four, definitely the black sheep. It sounds super cliche, but I mean, it's true.

• 4:01Bunnie XO?

  It's real.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? They're all, they're all very clean cut, wonderful, beautiful. We're just, we're very alike, but very different.

• 4:08Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  Very different.

• 4:09Bunnie XO?

  How did that feel growing up to know that you were so different from your siblings?

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Uh, it was very accepting. They, they were very accepting. So I felt, I felt, I embraced it very easily.

• 4:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  You know, I got into trouble quite a bit. Uh, I feel like as soon as my mom had the first, first of us girls and then got to the last of us, which was me, she was just like, fuck it a little bit, like fuck it, you know?

• 4:31Bunnie XO?

  Was it a strict, I feel like the youngest gets away with everything.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  We get away with everything. She, she set some rules, but I of course broke them.

• 4:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Of course. I feel like, uh, a lot of the rules are, I don't know, they're meant to be broken. They're definitely meant to be bent.

• 4:44Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? I'm a rule breaker by. We can get away with.

• 4:46Bunnie XO?

  Yep. I'm a rule breaker by nature. You're a Gemini, right?

• 4:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't know. It's like, do I believe in Australia astrology? I don't really know, but I feel like some of the things I've read about it and have been told about it. I'm like, that just oddly makes sense. It just kinda.

• 5:00Bunnie XO?

  No, it does. It's, it's, it's a love language. I tell everybody astrology is a love language. You know, if you take the time to really get to know it, it's kind of like psychology. It's really crazy, but that's a whole nother podcast we'll get into. James, what about you? Where'd you grow up?

• 5:16Speaker 03

  Uh, so I grew up in Oregon, uh, pretty much my whole life. I enlisted in the army in, uh, two thousand, uh, was served in the army for six years, deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

• 5:26Bunnie XO?

  Oh, well, fucking happy Memorial Day.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Thank you. I appreciate it.

• 5:29Bunnie XO?

  God.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  Uh, but Memorial Day is to remember the soldiers that have fallen.

• 5:33Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay. Okay. I'm sorry.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no apologies. This is.

• 5:36Bunnie XO?

  I'm sorry. I'm like.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  How dare you?

• 5:38Speaker 02

  I, I.

• 5:39Bunnie XO?

  Death wish over here.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  I, I, I admit, I asked the same thing, but it's not because I didn't know. It's like, I kinda didn't know. It's.

• 5:47Bunnie XO?

  I didn't know. I thought it was for everybody.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  It's for everyone. I feel, it feels like it. It feels like you, it wants to be for everyone.

• 5:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but I didn't know that. That's really good to know, to like, let people know that Memorial Day is for the fallen soldiers. Never knew that.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah. Enlisted in the army, uh, was, uh, deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, uh. I was deployed to Iraq in oh three and I deployed to Afghanistan in like two thousand five, something like that. I got out um and lost my leg the day after I got out in a motorcycle accident.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  The day of.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Oh, the day of, yeah.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  The day of, okay.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Well, I was coming from Italy, so it was like the day after.

• 6:21Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so much, so much here, so.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Skipped over a lot.

• 6:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I'm like, wait a second, so let's rewind. Okay, so you grew up in Oregon.

• 6:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:28Bunnie XO?

  What was childhood like for you?

• 6:30Speaker 03

  Uh, you know, my childhood uh was less than ideal for a lot of it, you know, like um, you know, like ex, you know, bad father figures and and stuff like that. And uh, so for me, I just needed to get out from where I was at, you know, like my mom is great, my grandparents, amazing, everybody's awesome. It's just that it didn't really, my mom didn't just choose like the best dudes sometimes.

• 7:00Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 7:01Speaker 03

  And, you know, my mom wasn't even in a good spot then, so you can't really blame her for it because she's just doing the best she could, you know, so.

• 7:08Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  But uh, yeah, so I decided to enlist in the army. Uh, I enlisted like a year before I could go in.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  It's like I gotta.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  I was like, I gotta out. The second, two weeks after I graduated high school, I was in uh, basic training.

• 7:21Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 7:21Speaker 03

  And then uh, severe amount of homesickness. The second I get to basic training, I'm just like, what did I do? This is stupid.

• 7:29Bunnie XO?

  What is that like coming straight out of high school, getting you pretty much your ass whipped every day?

• 7:33Speaker 03

  It's uh, an awakening, an eye opening experience.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, he said I I couldn't make it. He said I couldn't get through.

• 7:39Bunnie XO?

  I don't think I could make it. Thinking about it is exhausting.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  Well, Heidi used to be like, do you think I could do it? I was like.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  I could do it.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  I mean, anybody can do it, you know, you just gotta wanna do it.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  It's the tear gas thing that I I ask about that all the time. I'm like, so people are just like crying and puking, like that's just what it is?

• 7:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, so.

• 7:55Bunnie XO?

  It's so barbaric.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  Well, you gotta go through the CS chamber, right? And it's just like, basically to show you what CS gas feels like and give you confidence in your Pro mask.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 8:07Speaker 03

  So you put your Pro mask on, they pop the CS canister in the building, you're like, oh, this ain't bad. And then you take the mask off and it's like immediate evacuation of everything in your sinuses.

• 8:17Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Your eyes just are watering, you can't see anything. You're like trying to get out. The Joel Sards are just laughing, you know, it's like.

• 8:23Bunnie XO?

  The way my anxiety is set up, there's no way.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  There's no.

• 8:26Bunnie XO?

  I'd be like, just take me on a gurney right now.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  I'm out.

• 8:28Bunnie XO?

  Take me out of here.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  Sign me out.

• 8:30Bunnie XO?

  So. We're gonna get to your leg, but I wanna circle back Heidi.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 8:35Bunnie XO?

  You, growing up, you are very vocal about like your drug use and stuff like that.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:40Bunnie XO?

  When did that start?

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Oh, at a very young age. And like, I'm gonna say it right now. I literally, I, it's like, I extremely, I'm extremely empathetic and feel and relate to people who are addicts. We are still addicts. We just chose something else to replace it with.

• 8:55Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 8:55Speaker 02

  You know, you chew. Yeah, work, work the hustle, uh, just bettering your life. I got, I got addicted to, um, just a better, healthier lifestyle in general. It feels amazing. You never really think that you can get past that when you're so deep in your addiction, um, and using, you're just, you just feel like you're drowning.

• 9:11Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  You're drowning. You know what I mean?

• 9:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Um, and it was, it was everything. I, I've tried everything. I've done everything.

• 9:16Bunnie XO?

  When did you start? How old were you?

• 9:18Speaker 02

  I was 12.

• 9:19Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  So, yeah, in Fairbanks, Alaska, it's dark, it's desolate. Uh, there's nothing to do. I mean, it's literally nine months out of the year. It's, the sun comes up at like 10:30 maybe.

• 9:32Bunnie XO?

  I went there.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  Sets at 2:15. Did you go to Fairbanks?

• 9:34Bunnie XO?

  We, where?

• 9:35Speaker 02

  Or Anchorage, probably.

• 9:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I think we went to Anchorage. Was it Anchorage? But it was dark as fuck there.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:40Bunnie XO?

  And I was like, how, it was like twilight, 24/7.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  And it's warmer in Anchorage than in Fairbanks. And in Anchorage, it's like, you know, maybe like 10, maybe zero or so.

• 9:50Bunnie XO?

  I've been to Fairbanks. They have the hot springs, right?

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Sheena Hot Springs.

• 9:53Bunnie XO?

  Sheena Hot Springs, yeah. Okay, yeah, I've been there too.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  Thank God you've been there. I tell everybody, I'm like, if, if you can just make it past the cold, like the 30, 40 below, and go in the wintertime, it's magical.

• 10:03Bunnie XO?

  Oh, it was magical. So beautiful. I have video footage for it. It's so dope.

• 10:06Speaker 02

  I have to see that. I'll have to see that sometime.

• 10:08Bunnie XO?

  I'll send it to you on TikTok.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  It brings memories back. Oh, but yeah, there's.

• 10:11Bunnie XO?

  So 12 years old.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  12 years old. I, you know, you know, you start smoking weed. That's just like the gateway thing and you're just like.

• 10:16Bunnie XO?

  No, most people don't start smoking weed at 12.

• 10:19Speaker 02

  Oh, no, they, oh, well.

• 10:21Bunnie XO?

  She's like, you know, just the gateway drug at 12.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  You know, I just felt like it was, I don't know. I felt like it was normal. Like, and, and it's a joke. It's a running joke for people in Alaska. Everything in Alaska is 10 years behind.

• 10:32Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  So, uh, that, I just felt like that was normal. I felt like every 12-year-old was just smoking weed and just fucking off and.

• 10:39Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  You know, but, uh, they weren't. They were not actually, in fact.

• 10:43Bunnie XO?

  Was it friends that introduced you or older brother, siblings?

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like, uh, it was like friends with, uh, friends with like older siblings.

• 10:49Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Like, uh, you know, yeah, friends with older siblings and that just like the seemed to thing, seemed to be the thing to do. And then I. Man, yeah, yep, that.

• 11:00Bunnie XO?

  So you started, you started smoking weed?

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Doing all of that.

• 11:03Bunnie XO?

  And then what happens after weed? Where, what do you progress to?

• 11:06Speaker 02

  No, it was like, it was like ecstasy and mushrooms and like all that kind of stuff, a drinking, obviously. There was like some weird little underage dance club.

• 11:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  I forgot what it was called. What was it?

• 11:17Bunnie XO?

  I feel like Vegas had those too. It was like, what were we doing with those?

• 11:21Speaker 02

  Doing, man, like, how would they, how did they let us in?

• 11:24Bunnie XO?

  Who ran those?

• 11:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, who let us in?

• 11:25Bunnie XO?

  Pedophiles.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, who let us in?

• 11:27Bunnie XO?

  Literally.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  I have no idea. Um, it's funny though, some of those same friends that I like, used to get in trouble with, I'm still best friends with them till this day.

• 11:34Bunnie XO?

  Same.

• 11:34Speaker 02

  And, and we all like flipped our lives around.

• 11:36Bunnie XO?

  Drugs bring people together.

• 11:37Speaker 02

  They do, they do. Um, we all flipped our lives around. Of course, they, most of them got married and had kids and I was like, nah, I never want a kid. Never. I still don't. And I still feel like I'm a big kid.

• 11:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  That, I don't know if that will ever leave me.

• 11:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  I still feel like I'm seventeen.

• 11:50Bunnie XO?

  So how deep did your addiction get? Just so that people?

• 11:53Speaker 02

  Pretty damn deep. Uh, pretty deep. Um, I got really-

• 11:58Bunnie XO?

  Focus on it, but I'd like to paint a picture of survival and just to show people how far you've come in life.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Sure, sure. I appreciate, I appreciate. Uh, definitely all the way into, I had a really, really bad problem with meth. Super, super.

• 12:11Bunnie XO?

  Me too. I almost lost, I almost lost my hand because I was smoking it.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  I definitely lost my tooth to that. I'm pretty sure that's, I lost my tooth to that. Thankfully later on, my teeth are all, we're good to go.

• 12:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  We're good to go. I, I braces twice. I got my veneers done. I, I just wanted to set my mouth up for the future.

• 12:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, set that mouth up.

• 12:27Bunnie XO?

  After you fucked it up so much, you're like, let's fix this. Let's fix what I did.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  This.

• 12:31Bunnie XO?

  So you're in your addiction, you're heavy on meth. Where, where's the turnaround? Where, where do you see the light and decide that you want to get sober?

• 12:39Speaker 02

  I was eighteen and I was like, I was like, I'm gonna move to Phoenix. My two sisters had already gone there. And it, I just, I just wanted to, I wanted a new life. I wanted a new chance at life. I got there. Uh, little did I know that in Phoenix, meth is just runs rampant.

• 12:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no. Flagstaff especially.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  It's horrendous. Yeah. And I, and then I, and then I was like, oh, and then I was like a functioning addict at that point, which, which is horrendous. You, you also don't thi- you, you think you can handle it and you're like, everything's great. I was working my job, da, da, da, da. And then it just got really bad. I met this guy. There, of course, and it just got really bad. Then I wasn't showing up to my job and I was like homeless in my car. It was just, it was horrendous, you know, and it just got to the-

• 13:19Bunnie XO?

  Well, it was an addiction.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  It was an addiction, yeah. And my parents never lost sight of us, me, none of us. Yeah, calling us all the time, or I would call them from a payphone when payphones were still a thing.

• 13:30Bunnie XO?

  Dude, kids will never know.

• 13:32Speaker 02

  They'll never know the struggle.

• 13:33Bunnie XO?

  Kids will never know. The collect call. Getting a beep and then having to go use a payphone to call somebody.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  You get that nine one one beep, oh my god, there's an emergency.

• 13:41Bunnie XO?

  So let's go to bed.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I never had a pager, but I always, there was always a collect call and it would be like, it would be like my mom just in tears, like come back to us. Come back to us, like, like you're, you're safe over here. And I, and I did, I was like, okay, so I, I went back, I got clean, I got clean.

• 13:59Bunnie XO?

  I love that you had the parental support because a lot of people don't have that.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  They're not lucky enough to have that, you know, some, some parents just feel lost themselves and they feel like they just can't handle it.

• 14:09Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 14:09Speaker 02

  You know, or they don't know what to do, you know. I never went to rehab, which is really shocking because a lot of my friends either died, went to prison, or went to rehab.

• 14:17Bunnie XO?

  I never went to rehab to get sober either.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's a gift from God.

• 14:22Bunnie XO?

  No, strength within, like it's crazy.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  From God, man.

• 14:25Bunnie XO?

  So you went home, you got sober.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Got sober, I slept, I ate, I gained some weight, that's just how it is.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  It's, I say that so casually, but like when you're talking to somebody else who's used, you just know how to, you sleep, you eat, you gain the weight back and then you just kinda, cause it's like drug induced psychosis, you heal, yeah, it's like you have to heal your mind from the inside out. And then I admit, I, I did it a few more times. And when I say a few, it's probably like a handful, maybe like three times. And I remember the very last time I did it, I just, I waited, it was like going around in a circle and I was like, I don't think I'm going to, I think this is, I, I don't think I'm gonna do it. And then it went around a few more times. I was like, I, I think I'm gonna do it one more. And it was- It was that last hit I took and I was, it was instant regret. I was like, I'm never doing it again. And I never did.

• 15:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  And then I just stopped.

• 15:13Bunnie XO?

  I know that feeling.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  You know that feeling?

• 15:15Bunnie XO?

  Yep. That's what I did. Whenever I stopped, I had pills.

• 15:17Speaker 02

  Regret.

• 15:18Bunnie XO?

  Problem with Lore Tabs and Xanax.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, never going to the pills, man.

• 15:22Bunnie XO?

  Yep. And I just fucking remember the day that I just looked at my husband. This was fucking 2017 and I was like, I don't want these in my blood.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  I don't want to do this.

• 15:29Bunnie XO?

  I don't want it anymore. And like you literally just, once you make your mind up, it's, that's that.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's that's that. And nothing will stop you.

• 15:36Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I'm so proud of you.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  Thank you. Oh, it feels like I've, I've clawed and turned my way to where I have, I am now. And, and I definitely sourced that back. I relayed it way back. I got a, I had a billboard in Times Square last year and I just, I, I made a post. I said from Tweeger to Times Square. And I really mean that too. That's like,

• 15:54Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  That's like, that's what it is. That's hard work, determination, and I chose to live. You want to live. I want to live.

• 16:00Bunnie XO?

  Yep. You deserve to be prideful.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely. And people are shocked by that. They said, are you sure you, you said Tweeger? Did you say that? And I was like, I sure damn did.

• 16:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  I gotta source it back to my, to my old life, you know, like, you know, if I had a conversation with my younger self, I'd be like, listen dude, it's gonna get better if you let it.

• 16:18Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  You know?

• 16:19Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 16:20Speaker 03

  I don't like it when people sometimes be like, you know, if they see you're doing well, they'll be like, oh, it must be nice, you know, whatever.

• 16:24Bunnie XO?

  I hate that.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  I hate the must be nice people.

• 16:26Bunnie XO?

  Passive aggressive kills me.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  It's like, dude, we have worked so hard. And like you guys, you've worked so hard to get to where you're at. And for someone just to tear it all down and be like, oh, it must be nice to you.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  They just, they just don't know.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  Like everything, years and years and years of work took to get here.

• 16:40Bunnie XO?

  Must be nice to be so complacent behind your fucking cell phone.

• 16:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  Behind your phone, just talking shit.

• 16:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So James, let's bring it back to you. So you are fresh out of high school, getting straight into the army.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Oh, my goodness.

• 16:53Bunnie XO?

  Did you have any addictions? Did you battle addiction at any, at any point in your life? Or were you just kind of headstrong and just like, I'm gonna put my nose to the grind and do this military thing and?

• 17:02Speaker 03

  You know, the military thing, I think it, cause I went in like, you know, right after high school and it was like, I didn't really have time to get into a bunch of stuff, really, you know, cause um, I moved out of my mom's house into my grandparents' house. I think in my junior year, something like that. And then finished high school out, went in the army. Um. Yeah, dude, like I thought the army was great. Um, I don't have any, uh, bad, like, everybody has bad experiences in the army, right?

• 17:29Bunnie XO?

  Right, right.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  But like, I, I liked the army. I thought it was great. I

• 17:32Bunnie XO?

  It was good for you at the time.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  After six years, I decided to get out. Um, I was like, I'm gonna get out and be a civilian and make real money. I did not know how big of a joke that was gonna be.

• 17:42Bunnie XO?

  I feel so bad for the people that do serve our country because you guys come home to literally nothing. No help, nobody fucking, like, it's just crazy. You guys come back with a shit ton of trauma, especially if you go into war and stuff like that, like, and nobody, you guys don't have any tools or anything in place to like lift you guys up. Like, I just, I've always, that has never sat right with me.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, and, uh, the, the term PTSD gets thrown out a lot, and I think a lot of people probably use the term a little loosely, especially in the veteran community, you know, but, um, it is a real thing, you know, PTSD is real, and it is to be taken serious. And there's a serious problem with veterans, like committing suicide, you know, and all that stuff. And it is like, it is really heartbreaking, you know, it's, it would be nice to have more resources and stuff available. Uh, for me personally speaking, though, my personal experiences, uh, I've always had good experiences with the VA. Haven't had any problems, like anytime I needed stuff for my prosthetics or anything like that, it's been real easy. Uh, but I do know a lot of people have a lot of issues with it.

• 18:50Bunnie XO?

  So let's talk about this. So you get out of the military, a day later, you get into a motorcycle accident?

• 18:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I had a motorcycle, motorcycle before I went in, you know, uh, or not before I went in, but before I went to, uh, Italy and, uh, it parked at my grandma's house the whole time I was in Italy. I came home, first thing I did, jump on my bike, drive it like a mile down the road and wreck it into a guardrail, you know, it's like

• 19:19Bunnie XO?

  And you weren't drunk, you were sober?

• 19:21Speaker 03

  No, it was just, uh, you know, I think it's lack of experience with my motorcycle for so long, you know, just sitting like, you know, dumb kid, you know, doing stuff. And, uh, I actually lost it from mid calf, but Uh, had to break all the way up to mid thigh, so they had to take it at mid thigh.

• 19:37Bunnie XO?

  Goodness.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  And that was, uh, rough, you know, cause I got out of the army and then I lost my leg and then I was like, what the hell am I gonna do?

• 19:46Bunnie XO?

  Right. Like where are you at mentally right now?

• 19:49Speaker 03

  I was, uh, not in a good spot, but I didn't really show it. You know, I tried to, you know, just kinda get through it and.

• 19:55Bunnie XO?

  Sounds like you grew up in a household where you weren't allowed to show emotion. Yes.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Oh, you could say that. Yeah.

• 20:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  You could say that.

• 20:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 20:03Speaker 03

  But, uh, you know, it was like six months before I could get my prosthetic. So, cause I'd also shattered my pelvis and had to get a bunch of, uh, reconstructive surgery for it and I had got my right hip replaced. So it took a while to get back on it, but, um, once I got in my prosthetic, I was like, I gotta do stuff. I, cause you see, you see too many, uh, people, uh, especially in losing a limb, you know, you get real depressed, you get, you can get addicted to pills really easy, like the, the pain pills and stuff and, um, I could, when I was recovering, I could feel myself starting to want the oxies and not needing them.

• 20:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  You know, so I was like, I gotta stop. I gotta stop. I'm glad I had the forethought and I didn't get too deep into it. Uh, so, I don't think I really had a problem with addiction, but I could feel it.

• 20:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. You can feel how easy it is to get.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  To slip into it. So.

• 20:58Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  I'm glad that, uh, um, you know, my brother was real supportive. My mom was real supportive. My grandparents, everybody was real supportive of me, uh, in my recovery. So, big shout out to them.

• 21:11Bunnie XO?

  And how old were you when you lost your leg again?

• 21:13Speaker 03

  Uh, I was twenty six.

• 21:14Bunnie XO?

  Twenty six.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm forty two now.

• 21:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  So I, it's been a long time since I lost it. So if there's new amputees out there, I know a lot of new amputees will follow my Instagram and stuff like that. Don't compare your chapter one to my chapter like forty. You know what I mean? Like it's.

• 21:30Bunnie XO?

  Say that again. That just gave me goosebumps.

• 21:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's, you gotta, it, it takes, and that goes to anybody starting up anything, you know, or getting through anything. Uh, comparison is the thief of joy, you know? Um, so it was really like important for me to get back going again and, uh.

• 21:47Bunnie XO?

  So first year advice of somebody who's going through something traumatic like this, losing a limb, what would you, what would your advice be for that first year for them?

• 21:56Speaker 03

  Get through the recovery, you know, get used to wearing your prosthetic. It's easy to not want to wear it because it's uncomfortable. Obviously, don't wear it if your limb or whatever is getting injured, but you got to expect to be uncomfortable. You know, so get comfortable being uncomfortable and then, you know, listen to your doctors or don't. I didn't.

• 22:18Bunnie XO?

  Right. Oh, that's brutal, but so inspiring at the same time to see just how far you've come. You know, just in everything. So let's circle back to Heidi. So you're sober now, baby.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. When I, when I say that, I've said it a lot of like, I'm, I'm sober now and, and, and I do preface it with, I stopped doing all the hard stuff. I used to not know how to just have to enjoy a drink. Let's just say that like at dinner or something. I was like, yeah, the goal was to get blacked out. It was like, let's get blacked out. We're going to a keg or blacked out. That was like my high school. I'm surprised I graduated. I just, there's a lot of surprises there. I'm surprised I'm alive. In fact, woo, I'm alive. Thank, praise God, I'm alive. But yeah, I, I, I, I was like, I gotta go. I gotta go do something. Now that I'm sober, I've got this new lease at life, whatever.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  And I, I had always, I'm artistic. I'm left-handed. I, I'm, I've always draw, drew as a kid. My mom's artistic and I was like, I need to do hair. I, I need to do something. I need to choose a career path. So I became a barber and then, and then I became a hairstylist and I did that for years and years and years. But all the while I was doing all of that, I was actually modeling too. So there was a lot of things happening at once. Let's just say that I was getting, you know, I'm, I just turned 36.

• 23:40Bunnie XO?

  Okay. So I feel like girls in our age group were all hairdressers. I went to, I went to Cosmetology. Well, I went and got my nail license and I was like a few hundred hours short from getting my, my hair license. But yeah, I feel like we just all did that around this age.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're beauty industry girls, right?

• 23:55Bunnie XO?

  So we didn't want to work for the man.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly. Exactly. And I did, I totally worked for the man. I mean, my, my barbering school, I went to barbering school in Anchorage, Alaska, and my two barbers had passed, rest in peace. But they were amazing. They taught me a lot and I'm still best friends with my best friend that I went to barbering school with. And she's now a master barber and. Anchorage and has her own barbershop.

• 24:18Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Shout out to Kelly.

• 24:20Bunnie XO?

  So you were modeling while is it was this Instagram time too?

• 24:24Speaker 02

  It was it was yeah, it was well, it was so funny.

• 24:27Bunnie XO?

  MySpace?

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, like it was MySpace. I was like.

• 24:30Bunnie XO?

  Where the fuck is Tom? I miss him.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  I miss Tom. He was everybody's friend.

• 24:35Bunnie XO?

  I love Tom.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  These Gen Z kids can't relate to us with the MySpace.

• 24:38Bunnie XO?

  At all.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  At all, the you know, remember they get to choose your music on the MySpace page.

• 24:42Bunnie XO?

  I feel like this generation is a bunch of titty babies. We were just talking about that.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  I know, man. Uh, you choose, you know, I was like writing all the HTML code for my MySpace.

• 24:50Bunnie XO?

  Oh, same.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  You gotta change the background color.

• 24:52Bunnie XO?

  I could program the shit like it was crazy, didn't never took a class on it, but fucking MySpace taught me how to program a fucking.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, was it the top eight or was it top four? Was it top eight?

• 25:01Bunnie XO?

  It was top five, top eight, and then top 10.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, and and that this is this totally random. That's when I started following Jeffrey Star.

• 25:08Bunnie XO?

  I love Jeffrey.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  I love Jeffrey Star.

• 25:09Bunnie XO?

  He's coming on the podcast.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  Oh, that's right.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Awesome. I can't wait. I cannot wait to listen.

• 25:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it it's funny too, like, uh, on TikTok too, and I it's I'm like Jeffrey Star and like, uh, you know, the new kids, they just they they don't know. They they you know, they they don't know.

• 25:22Bunnie XO?

  Forbidden.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  It is it is it's forbidden, but.

• 25:25Bunnie XO?

  Well, no, remember Forbidden on MySpace?

• 25:26Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, yes.

• 25:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I was like, that's let's take it all the way back.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  With the makeup and the hair, the whole thing, yeah.

• 25:31Bunnie XO?

  I can't believe she passed.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  That was the whole thing. So when I when that had come up, I was like, oh, my gosh, forbidden. And people, the kids now, they don't know.

• 25:37Bunnie XO?

  They don't know who Forbidden is.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  They don't know where she was.

• 25:39Bunnie XO?

  Christine Dolce, rest in peace.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Yes, girl. And yeah, I feel like Jeffrey Star and Forbidden were like the top MySpace.

• 25:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  They were like at the top of the the whole thing.

• 25:46Bunnie XO?

  Cat Bondi.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, Cat Bondi. I just I I respect it's then and still and all through this time that Jeffrey's like come up of just like I've just seen him be do do his thing. And he started from the bottom and he's just all self-made. I just I respect that.

• 26:00Bunnie XO?

  He's amazing. What was your MySpace name?

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, God. Oh, God, uh, it was Heidi the Hippie. Yeah, Heidi the Hippie.

• 26:07Bunnie XO?

  I love that. What about you? What was your MySpace name?

• 26:10Speaker 03

  I think it was just something awesome like James Ramsey.

• 26:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I love that.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  Just so plain.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was in my like super stonery era and I would always, you know, play the the Doors and blah blah blah, all that shit.

• 26:20Bunnie XO?

  I love it. So you're modeling, you're sober. California sober.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  California sober.

• 26:27Bunnie XO?

  So they call California sober, like people who still drink, but just don't do the hard stuff.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  Right. Yes. The California sober. Exactly. Oh, and I smoked cigarettes forever. Thank God I quit smoking cigarettes.

• 26:36Bunnie XO?

  Me too. I did Newport.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. And all I smoked, all I smoked were menthol. So I smoked Newport's. I smoked all of them. Yes. The last, the last though was American spirit. And it was like the heavy menthol.

• 26:47Bunnie XO?

  Never got into those. No, they were too natural for me.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  I just was like as much menthol as possible. Um, but yeah, so like at the same time, so, uh, I had moved, uh, from all the places. And then I eventually got into like the Portland area and I think I was like 21, 22. I was going to hair, I was doing hair. I was, I worked for the man. I worked at Ulta Regis. I was an assistant. I was a shampoo girl. I was a shampoo girl in New York. There's, I've done everything in a hair salon setting, you can imagine. Uh, but while all that was happening, um, I was getting tattooed and while I was getting tattooed, um, there was people. Was it on Facebook? It was right before Instagram blew up on Facebook. Like these photographers were like, I want to shoot you. And I was like, awesome. This is crazy. So we started doing all of that. And then the more I shot, the more tattooed I got.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  And then it just quickly escalated into like tattoo magazines hitting me up, tattoo photographers hitting me up, tattoo apparel lines hitting me up, tattoo product.

• 27:42Bunnie XO?

  There was a big boom for that. I think that's why we all ended up getting tatted because nobody was tatted back then.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. The whole thing. I was like, yeah, I was like, I'm gonna, I did the whole, what is it? The Soul and Angels?

• 27:54Bunnie XO?

  Yes. Yeah. Suicide girls. All that, that whole fucking.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. I, I was never a suicide girl, but, um, but, but my friend Sunny.

• 28:02Bunnie XO?

  I appreciated that.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally, totally. My, my friend Sunny shoots for them, I think still. And she was like, you want to shoot a set? And I was like, I, I did shoot a set, but it was never submitted because I was like, no, no, I don't want to. I don't want to. Um, I, I then, and I still now, which will, it'll circle back to as we like combine forces. I want, I want to own all my content. I want my own content. I don't want to wait for my content to come back. I don't want my content in somebody else's hands.

• 28:27Bunnie XO?

  Nope. I'm the same way.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  I'm controlling it. And it's, it's a good thing. Yeah. It's a, it's a good thing. You have to look at it in a good way because you're just covering your ass. Period. You know what I mean? When you have control.

• 28:38Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  Full control of your stuff.

• 28:40Bunnie XO?

  You fucking direct how it goes, you know?

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Exactly. And I never had management.

• 28:45Bunnie XO?

  Twist shit nowadays and make shit look crazy and.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  No, I never liked authority. I got biggest rebel in high school. I never listened to, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I never had an agent, never had any of that stuff.

• 28:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I've never understood the whole thing.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Blah, blah, blah, blah. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes, uh, um, there, there's like brain, brand agents or like, uh, like a, like a team that helps you. But you're still the.

• 29:04Bunnie XO?

  I finally signed with a huge agency in January.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Good for you, girl.

• 29:09Bunnie XO?

  Who did we sign with? William Morris. Sorry, sorry, Sloan. But that was after years of putting in work and just finally saying like, okay, to go to the next level. I need this.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Right, but that's what you need. When you get to your, when you get to that, you, you need a team. You need somebody to help coordinate some things. It still doesn't mean you're not in control at all.

• 29:27Bunnie XO?

  No, no, no. Absolutely. No, I understand exactly what you're saying. So how did you guys meet?

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Oh, this is.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  Oh, boy.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Oh, boy. Yeah. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Common question. Go ahead.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Okay, no, it's a, we'll, we'll jump back and forth because it, uh, it, I feel like the answer, change it. The answer is a little different depending on who's asking.

• 29:45Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  I, so after I, um, lost my leg, you know, uh, and I was recovering, I started working out again. And then on Facebook, someone tagged me in a post that says, uh, it was a Michael Stokes post. I don't know if you've heard of Michael Stokes.

• 30:04Speaker 02

  This is where it all begins.

• 30:06Speaker 03

  Um, and he was shooting veterans that had missing limbs for coffee table books. And we're talking like, uh, it was like, um, but how was the photography? Would you describe it? It was like.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Uh, very high end. Uh, it, it was like.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  He made his models look like sculptures, you know?

• 30:23Speaker 02

  They're just like very, just think really jacked, hot men.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Really good photography.

• 30:31Bunnie XO?

  I'm in. Where do we go?

• 30:33Speaker 03

  We got books. I should have brought one of my books.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  But, yeah, so I was tagged in this post from Michael Stokes. Um, he was shooting.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Oh, naked. A naked.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  Veterans, um, that.

• 30:45Bunnie XO?

  You got your Clark bar hanging out in these pictures?

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  And they were there, but it's very

• 30:49Bunnie XO?

  I love this.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  It's like, it's like high end.

• 30:51Speaker 03

  It's like, not, I don't want to say, it's like male boudoir. I don't know how to describe it.

• 30:56Bunnie XO?

  It's like male Playboy almost.

• 30:58Speaker 03

  Basically, yeah.

• 30:59Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  Yes, upscale.

• 31:01Bunnie XO?

  Love.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Very nice.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  But big coffee table books, you know?

• 31:04Bunnie XO?

  Love that.

• 31:05Speaker 03

  Someone tagged me in a post and I just wrote, hey, love your work. I love what you're doing. You know, this is awesome because I'd never seen anything like that before, you know?

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  So I was surprised when he hit me up and asked me if I wanted to shoot with him because I had lost my leg and I was a veteran, but I didn't lose my leg, you know, overseas. I lost when I come home. So I was like, uh, like, here's my situation. He's like, yeah, I don't care. Uh, you look great and I'd just like to shoot you. I was like, sure. Yeah, that'd be great. He's like, sweet. I'll fly you to LA. I was like, oh my God.

• 31:38Speaker 03

  Because I'd never done anything like that before, right? Um, so I was talking to my friend Ryder and she was like, hey, you should shoot with my friend, who's a photographer, uh, just kind of get your foot wet.

• 31:52Speaker 02

  Oh, your one foot.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  So I was like, yeah, that'd be great. So I messaged this person and they messaged me back and they were like, how would you feel about shooting with another model, Heidi Lavon? I was like, well, I, cause I'd known about Heidi in Portland, cause she's kind of Portland famous at the time, you know?

• 32:10Bunnie XO?

  He's a Portland famous. I love that. You need a hat that says Portland famous.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  So I'd seen her like on Facebook or Instagram or whatever. And I was like, I mean, yeah, sure, whatever. Uh, and I, it was kind of insinuated that was going to be kind of like a sexy shoot.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  So I messaged Heidi, I was like, hey, would you like to like meet up first to kind of like, I've never shot before. And would you like to like meet up first? Cause I don't know what the hell I'm doing and I don't want to just show up on site and be like, now we're shooting sexy.

• 32:43Bunnie XO?

  Did you do that because you were really nervous or did you just want to feel her energy before you shot with her?

• 32:49Speaker 03

  I was nervous.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Probably both, probably both.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  Well, and I wanted to see, you know, cause you don't know, you know, you don't know. So, and I had no idea about anything. This was, how long ago was this? This is eight, nine years ago.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Nine. Yeah.

• 33:00Speaker 03

  So, um, I was just like,

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, we've been together almost, almost a decade.

• 33:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. That's wild.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  Well, yeah. So I was like, yeah, sure. A message Heidi. She's like, yeah, that sounds great. So we met up.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  And then.

• 33:14Bunnie XO?

  What were your first impressions?

• 33:16Speaker 02

  I.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  So I got there late. She was there first.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  No, no, no. It all started in the, in the messenger.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  Oh, it did.

• 33:24Bunnie XO?

  I do tell.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  He, he, he sent me a message and I was like, oh, and I like opened it up and of course his profile.

• 33:32Bunnie XO?

  She's rubbing her titties right now. For anybody who's not watching this, she's getting all hot and bothered over here already. James is blushing and her nipples are hard.

• 33:41Speaker 03

  Has nothing to do with it.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  I admit it was, it was a hundred percent lust at first sight, a hundred, a hundred. I admit it. It's like, how can, how can I not?

• 33:49Bunnie XO?

  No, he's handsome. Very handsome.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  Very, very. But he looked so.

• 33:53Bunnie XO?

  You guys are a hot couple. Yeah, totally.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  Thanks, girl.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  But, uh, no, James was never my type. He had this huge beard and long crazy hair like.

• 34:06Bunnie XO?

  Long?

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Like a lion's mane, like this long, super textured. He's got like coarse curly, you know, coarse curly hair.

• 34:14Speaker 03

  It was like, it was like down to here probably.

• 34:16Bunnie XO?

  What, what look were we going for, Fabio?

• 34:18Speaker 03

  I was in a band.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  No, he was in a metal band. Yeah, we love metals.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  I just wanted long hair so I could hair whip.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. So his profile photo was like him sweaty on stage, like ripping a guitar and it was like, oh, and I was like, oh, just like that.

• 34:29Bunnie XO?

  And this was after the accident happened that you were.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  Years and years later.

• 34:33Bunnie XO?

  I love that for you, that you, you know, just kind of fucking took this and was like, you know what? I'm not going to let this define me.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Oh dude, it gets better. I, I do jujitsu.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  I can run, I can shoot and run.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a whole thing.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  I'm, yeah.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  It's a complete package.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  It's a complete package.

• 34:50Bunnie XO?

  No, I love that mind frame.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  I'm protected. I am protected.

• 34:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Uh, but no, he hit me up and I was just like, I like clicked his photo and I was looking through it. I was like, oh, this is not my traditional man, but he was so fine. And I was like, how could I not? So we, we met each other at this little pub.

• 35:05Bunnie XO?

  He's blushing.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  Putters.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Oh, uh, putters.

• 35:08Bunnie XO?

  Is this in Vegas?

• 35:09Speaker 02

  No, this was in Portland.

• 35:10Bunnie XO?

  Wow, I didn't know you guys had putters in Portland too.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Is it? Is there one in Vegas?

• 35:13Bunnie XO?

  Yep, there is.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Oh, it's like the dive bar. It's like a dive. Is it a little dive bar?

• 35:17Bunnie XO?

  Uh, they're kind of shitty, yeah.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, shitty. Totally shitty. It was like iceberg lettuce salads type shit. Yeah, man.

• 35:22Bunnie XO?

  With a cockroach on the side.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  There's a Thousand Island.

• 35:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  So he showed up, I showed up and I, the first thing I noticed was he was tall and very handsome. Um, very nervous and awkward.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  Oh, kinda like what I'm like right now.

• 35:37Bunnie XO?

  He's like, my butt cheeks are clenched together right now. He's like.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Getting my kegels in.

• 35:42Bunnie XO?

  No, I could totally see how.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  You know.

• 35:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  And we sat down and I was like, would you like to share a salad?

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, took my jacket off.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  And it was all over from there. He took his jacket off and his arms came forward on the table and I was like, I'm so glad I shaved my legs.

• 35:58Bunnie XO?

  She's like, I shaved my vagina for this.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  I did, I did. I totally admit it.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  It was all downhill.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  And it was, that was it. And then we didn't really get around to the photo.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  There's one photo from that shoot and that's buried somewhere in my Instagram.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  I'm not even in it.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  She like oiled me up for it and then that was it.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  It was over, man.

• 36:14Speaker 03

  Then we went back to my house.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:16Bunnie XO?

  So it was pretty much like love at first sight.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Yes, lust plus love.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  She basically, she basically didn't leave after that.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  For like three days.

• 36:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:22Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  That's, that's the story, man.

• 36:24Bunnie XO?

  That's like amazing though, because that's how my husband and I were too. Like as soon as we got together, he was not my type. I'm not his type. And literally, we just fucking.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  How did you guys even meet? Where?

• 36:34Bunnie XO?

  Um, well, this isn't, this is your guys' podcast, but.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  But I don't know the story, so I want to know.

• 36:40Bunnie XO?

  Well, long story short, um, my ex was in the music industry also before he went to prison. We went to, I love felons. We went to, um.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  Don't go to felony class in Portland.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  My ex was also in a band. He was a roadie for Shiny Toy Guns.

• 36:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  And then he passed away from an overdose. That is who I went from New York. So yeah, it was a whole thing. God rest his soul. I love his family, but you know, he, he left too soon. He was, he was a mate. He really was. He treated me great.

• 37:08Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  But you know, life led me in this direction and.

• 37:10Bunnie XO?

  And now you got a James.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  Now I, now I have a James.

• 37:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but I, I met him whenever he was performing to like 20 people. He was opening up for the Moonshine Bandits at Las Vegas Country Club. And when I met him, I just, like I tell everybody, I fell in love with the saddest eyes in the room. He, there was just something about him that like my soul recognized him and it took a year later, my ex ended up going to prison. And then Jay and I kind of started sniffing around each other and then like he would call me all the time and I would like get out of bed with my cabana boys, like to answer his calls. I'd have a dude in the bedroom and I'd be like, hey, what's up? How you doing? Um, but yeah, and then he came and I tried to rape him one night and he wanted a five year plan. I gave him a five year plan and we finished that five year plan last year. Well, the year before.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  I'm so happy for you guys. It's so nice when you see. People come from nothing and then they just overcome all the bullshit and they're just,

• 38:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  You know, they're doing so well.

• 38:04Speaker 02

  And you rep it and I, you rep that shit.

• 38:06Bunnie XO?

  Oh, you have to.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  God to you, man, because people just, they just.

• 38:08Bunnie XO?

  Well, we live in a world where everybody tries to expose everybody.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:12Bunnie XO?

  So it's like, you can't expose what I've already told you.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 38:14Bunnie XO?

  And the only reason you know anything about me is because I was so gangster, you can't find anything about me on the internet like that.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  I, I did the same thing. I, I, after I, so I had, I've had two DUIs. After I've had those two DUIs, I was afraid that my mug shot would just circulate and I was like.

• 38:30Bunnie XO?

  Wear it on a T-shirt.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, true, could, but instead I took the power back and I just posted it. I was like, I posted my selfers. I was like.

• 38:37Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. You have to.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  You know, you just have to.

• 38:39Bunnie XO?

  We just live in a time where people just think that they can out you at any time. It's like, no, sorry, I've already done that. It's old news.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got there first.

• 38:46Bunnie XO?

  I'm proud of you guys also. So, okay, so you guys did this first photo shoot. Take me on the journey from there.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  See, so we hung out for a few days and then I had to go to LA for my photo shoot. And I came back and then we just never left each other's side.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  We never left each other. I admit that I was like fighting so hard to be, I, I don't need a man.

• 39:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  I don't need a man. I'm strong and independent.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  She come and bring me around her friends and her friends were like, listen, if you don't.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  If you don't jump that, I'm gonna jump that. And I was like, well, that's not gonna happen.

• 39:14Bunnie XO?

  They were like salivating.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  Vultures.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were vultures. And I was like, I can't have that. This is my man.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  I didn't live in Portland either. Portland's real small.

• 39:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  So like.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  You live down the country. I got myself a country boy.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, like everybody in Portland knows everybody. So me not living in Portland, I didn't know.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  It's very attractive for me. It's very attractive for me. Yeah, he was like, he was like untouched earth.

• 39:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  You know?

• 39:36Bunnie XO?

  No, I, trust me, I had to, I had to fucking get me a Nashville boy outside of Vegas. So I totally know what that's like. So moving on, you guys have built this empire together.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  It's amazing.

• 39:48Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey. Like what, how?

• 39:50Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 39:50Bunnie XO?

  Where do we start?

• 39:52Speaker 03

  I gotta say, when, so I don't wanna take over, but I gotta say.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  No, please, please.

• 39:56Speaker 03

  Going on, when we first got together, um, I wouldn't shoot with her all the, like as another model with, I would just go with her to her photo shoots while she would shoot, you know? Help her with anything she needed or whatever. Um, and I remember going to these photo shoots and these photographers taking like nine hundred or four thousand photos.

• 40:15Bunnie XO?

  I can't do that.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  Six months later, we'd get like three photos back.

• 40:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  And they weren't even edited. Well, you know, most of the time.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no, no. When you're super tattooed, I'm gonna say this. Uh, photographers, photographers will tend to bump up the clarify, the clarification.

• 40:30Bunnie XO?

  To try to make color pop.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, to do this, but then they don't, they don't, they're not, they don't know how to do beauty retouching on the face. So then it would also pull my lines and things out and I'm like.

• 40:40Bunnie XO?

  And you're beautiful.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  Bless your heart.

• 40:42Bunnie XO?

  No, you're gorgeous.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Thank you. So were you.

• 40:44Bunnie XO?

  I, I appreciate that. You don't, listen, you need to learn how to accept compliments without giving them back.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  It's difficult. I hate it.

• 40:51Bunnie XO?

  But you are, you're gorgeous and you're stunning. Um, so, and I know how that is. We went through the same thing with the fucking, that's why we do everything ourselves.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Exactly. You, exactly. Have your own team. And that's the thing is James was like, fuck this. And so I think.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  I took a whole paycheck that I had from my crap job.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  It was like fifteen hundred dollars, right? My whole month's worth of paycheck. And I was like, we just bought a camera. And we started doing our own photography.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  And I taught myself Lightroom, Photoshop, exporting, importing, all that stuff.

• 41:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  And then we just did it all together. And then it just, it just was easier. We had all the content. We were in control. Then we were able to like build more, shoot more, have more content. And then it just reached more people than people are reaching us. And it was, it just blossomed into this.

• 41:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:34Speaker 03

  Like we, when we first got together, I was living in my mom's house.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  You know, I was like.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  Oh, and I was living in a garage apartment.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was like this, my best friend had got me this garage, shout out to Tiffany. I love you. You're the best. You're the best. Uh, it, my, still my best friend, uh, we worked, I think at four different salons together and she found me an apartment. She has found me all kinds of things, you know, you know, those just bessies that just, they're like, they're like your sister, your family, you know?

• 42:00Bunnie XO?

  I got two of them right there.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes, girl. Shout out to y'all. Okay. And, uh, yeah, I was living in this garage apartment.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude, I was living in my mom's house.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:09Bunnie XO?

  And this is while you guys were together?

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. We just started.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  Just about.

• 42:14Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  Like hanging out, like seriously, seriously.

• 42:17Bunnie XO?

  Early on, you were like, I'm gonna take control of this.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When after I went to a few photo shoots with her. Um, and you know, sometimes, uh, especially before it got to the point it is now where everybody just kind of does. Like photo, I feel like photographers are kind of like almost not a thing of the past, but you don't really need photographers no more. You know what I mean? Cause like before you need a photographer that had hookups with like magazines and stuff like that. So you could get on a good cover, do whatever. But now like social media is just so big magazines themselves, physical copies are not even really important that much anymore. So. Um, I think that, yeah, when I remember going to a few photo shoots with her, I was just like, this is lame. You know, how long have you been doing this? She's like, I've been doing this for years. And I was like, has it been like this the whole time? She's like, basically.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  The goals, the goals were goals and then the goal shifted into other goals. Like, like, uh, like I'm like people, people knew, knew slash know me from Instagram as like a tattoo industry model. So I was like, just tattoo industry model. And I was like doing all the tattoo shows. And I was traveling and working for all these brands and magazines and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so like my goal back then, like in my young twenties, I was like, I want to get on as many tattoo covers as possible. That was just like the thing. I don't know. That's what all the tattoo models wanted, you know?

• 43:30Bunnie XO?

  But I was like Queen Esther and like you and like, yeah, there was a few other girls that were like, no, for doing tattoo magazines.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then, and then it's, but I don't just want that. Like I wanted to do, I want to do everything. You know what I mean? I feel like that's kind of how we all have gotten. You, you don't.

• 43:46Bunnie XO?

  Well, you have to evolve.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  You have to evolve. Yeah.

• 43:48Bunnie XO?

  Once you put yourself inside a box, it's hard to get out of it. So it's like, you have to dip your toe in many other adventures.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 43:57Bunnie XO?

  So, okay. I know you guys probably get this question a lot because I get it all the time too. But how cool is it that you had a man that looked at you and was like, you know what? I can do this and I can take pic, half naked pictures of my wife.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:09Bunnie XO?

  And you know, cause I know a lot of people are like, how does your husband feel about you being naked on the internet?

• 44:14Speaker 03

  I get that all the time too. Like, how do you let your girl do that? I don't let her do anything. I don't control her.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I say exactly. And I'm like, I do what I want. I always have, I always will.

• 44:23Bunnie XO?

  But isn't it nice to have somebody that believes in you?

• 44:25Speaker 02

  And supports. Yeah. Supports.

• 44:26Bunnie XO?

  My husband is the same way. Like he is like, baby, go.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  It's a security thing. If if the man himself is is secure with themselves, he doesn't need no reason. There is no reason to to fear. Cause he art, he knows me. He gets model in day and crackhead by night.

• 44:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Crackhead bun and the glasses.

• 44:42Bunnie XO?

  I look like a vagabond all the time.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, the mu mu. Yeah, the mu mu. So that's literally what it is. I hate wearing makeup.

• 44:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  I didn't even put lashes on right now, believe it or not.

• 44:50Bunnie XO?

  You don't need it.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  I have a little dead shark eyes. I need them a little.

• 44:54Bunnie XO?

  What's your ethnicity?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Oh, I just found out last year that I am Russian and Ukrainian.

• 44:59Bunnie XO?

  I can see the Russian.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  I knew I was Jewish. My mom's always been like, don't forget you're Jewish. I was like, okay, mom. But but she was like, yeah, I was like, okay. But, uh, I don't know. I don't know what, uh, but I knew I had a little bit of, oh, I knew I was Polish. So I'm I'm super Slavic.

• 45:15Bunnie XO?

  Love that.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Super.

• 45:17Bunnie XO?

  I can see that, though. You're very Viking-ish.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 45:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I love it.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  I got that strong nose. I got that strong, big nose.

• 45:22Bunnie XO?

  But you know what? You're tiny. Your presence online, like when she walked in, the first thing she said to me was, you're so tall. And I'm like, everybody says that. You're tiny.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  You have sandals on.

• 45:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, I thought you were gonna be as tall, like taller than me.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  What is your height?

• 45:35Bunnie XO?

  I'm five six, five five, five six.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  But I'm five seven.

• 45:37Speaker 03

  There you are. Not if she's five six.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  There's, is there no way I'm five seven?

• 45:41Bunnie XO?

  You probably, I think you're about five four.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  There's no, no, we're nah, dude.

• 45:46Bunnie XO?

  No, I'm five, last time I measured, it was five five and a half. But I always say five six, because I'm not gonna say her and say five nine and a half. Yeah.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  I need to tape measure when we go home.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I'm gonna say.

• 45:57Bunnie XO?

  Do it. I'm curious, because you're, when she walked in, I was like, oh, my God, she's tiny. Because you have this huge, you, well, your ass is phenomenal.

• 46:07Bunnie XO?

  So if you guys don't follow Heidi, you need to, because she's got pretty much the most famous ass on TikTok.

• 46:14Bunnie XO?

  Literally. So let's talk about TikTok. How has this like changed? You have like, what, eleven million over there?

• 46:20Speaker 02

  No, not quite, but.

• 46:21Bunnie XO?

  What is it?

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Bro, a ten point four. We're in the tens.

• 46:25Bunnie XO?

  I mean, you're almost to eleven, yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Um, I'm just gonna say like,

• 46:29Speaker 03

  It changed our lives, bro.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  Yo, I'm gonna say this first and foremost, shout out to anyone who has ever followed me, not just on TikTok, but long, there are OGs from all the way back from the Facebook to the MySpace, to the Facebook, to the Instagram, to the TikTok, but shout out to just anybody who's ever followed me, supported me, left comments, left love. Like, I wouldn't be here without you. I mean, I would be somewhere. I'd be somewhere, but like, support is everything. So, I, I just, I was like, what can you say? It's like, there's not enough I could say and how grateful I am. The gratitude, the older I get, the gratitude is just like,

• 47:06Bunnie XO?

  I'm sure that translates over into OnlyFans, too.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  It does. It really does. Thank you.

• 47:10Speaker 03

  When that first video she had on TikTok went viral, we were going to Colorado.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  Dude, I was at my family cabin in, in the mountains in Colorado and we were just like hanging out, doing family stuff. And I had just, I was just, I had like ratty braids I took out and no makeup and I put my glasses on.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  We were in a hotel room when we did that.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, this little lodge thing or whatever. And everything was going fine regardless, like, um, like, you know, modeling and OnlyFans. Everything was like totally great and awesome, but I had just, it was right before the, the, what the, the slow pan. That slow pan effect, y'all, on TikTok, that came out right after. Yeah, but you have to do it in post-production. So I had, I've already, already been, I love post-production. I love Photoshop, Lightroom.

• 47:52Bunnie XO?

  No, you're amazing. You guys are amazing at what you guys do. Like all the, like the editing and stuff like that is phenomenal.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  I geek out on that, man. And I'm a little controlling, I admit, but, but no, I had just posted that video and I, I threw.

• 48:04Bunnie XO?

  It's the inner crackhead in us. We like to zero in on things. It's like fine details.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, the fine details. No, I just like threw it up and then I just closed my phone. I just closed my phone and it like two hours later, it was like five million likes, not views. It was like,

• 48:18Bunnie XO?

  That's crazy.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  It likes. And I was like, what is going on here? And I was like, what's going on here? What's happening? You know, and then it just,

• 48:25Speaker 03

  Dude, and then everything started just,

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Everything was like,

• 48:29Bunnie XO?

  It's like a fucking slot machine. I tell everybody that TikTok is kind of like gambling and you get addicted to not even the clout.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  The surprise.

• 48:37Bunnie XO?

  It is you get addicted to the numbers because you just like to watch them grow and that's like what it is whenever you're gambling you hit those sevens boy and that

• 48:44Speaker 03

  I can do it again.

• 48:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so like you're just constantly chasing this high, but I mean, you guys are fucking crushing it and I'm really like so excited to see all the shit you guys are doing over there.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Likewise, I mean, come on, look at you. Look.

• 48:57Bunnie XO?

  She's doing it. She's doing it again.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 49:01Bunnie XO?

  She's doing it again. So what are you guys gonna do while you're out here in Nashville?

• 49:05Speaker 03

  Uh, well.

• 49:05Speaker 02

  Eat.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  Eat.

• 49:06Bunnie XO?

  Have you guys tried hot chicken yet?

• 49:08Speaker 02

  No, but but I saw your I saw your text. I actually referred back to the text and I looked at the dinner dinner. Uh, was it? What is the word? Uh, uh, suggestions? I'm like, I looked at the dinner suggestions. I looked at them. They were either full. I think they were just like full because yesterday was wild.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:23Bunnie XO?

  Oh, it's memorial.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I was not expecting that at all.

• 49:28Speaker 03

  We're next to where we ate too. There's some like Latino, um, concert party thing.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, it was like.

• 49:34Speaker 03

  And it was like.

• 49:36Bunnie XO?

  Ay, ay, ay.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, we asked the guy, what's going on with it? It's like some Latino thing. I was like, okay, cool.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  Like a festival.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  Tractors driving down the street.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  It was awesome.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  Big John Deere tractors. I was like, that's.

• 49:45Bunnie XO?

  Oh, and then a party out here.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  I think he said a game, but.

• 49:48Speaker 03

  Oh, and maybe a game, maybe a basketball game or something. I don't know.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know. But, uh.

• 49:52Bunnie XO?

  Are you guys gonna go down on Broadway tonight?

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know. I mean, wherever the food is. I mean, honestly, I bring it back.

• 49:58Bunnie XO?

  Listen, I don't care about partying. I want food.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  Not a big party guy, you know?

• 50:02Speaker 02

  No, not me either. And I I'm sorry, y'all, but I just like sport unless it's like, you know, martial arts or boxing.

• 50:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  You know, that James too. We're like, his mom is like huge football, like wow, you know, and it's just.

• 50:16Bunnie XO?

  We're in we're an MMA household, too.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:18Bunnie XO?

  We love like UFC, fighting, stuff like that.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  It's exciting. I think that's like, it's just where it's at, man. I don't know. I don't know. But as far as like in Nashville, what are we gonna do? Probably eat. We leave early tomorrow. I mean, unless we stay, but.

• 50:33Bunnie XO?

  You guys should stay because I Jay would love to meet you.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  I'm gonna try to talk Heidi into this.

• 50:38Bunnie XO?

  Talk her into it. I know she I know she's a type A. No, I know she's type A and I get it. I totally understand.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Listen, if we do, we do. If we don't, we don't. But if we don't, this will be happen again. This is we're doing. Yeah, we're.

• 50:49Speaker 03

  You guys gonna make it through Phoenix?

• 50:51Bunnie XO?

  We're coming to AZ. Can you check the dates really quick and see whenever we're gonna go through?

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Phoenix is the fifth largest city in the US. So if you're gonna hit Arizona, you want to hit Phoenix.

• 51:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah. The tour is already.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Well, I know.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  We're on a tour.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Listen, I listen, I will always.

• 51:05Bunnie XO?

  Hunter, you better fucking tour us through Phoenix.

• 51:07Speaker 03

  Where's Jelly? I need to talk to him about his tour schedule.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Oh, then there it is. Yeah, I'll always jack up people to come to Phoenix. I'm like, yo, dude, no humidity. Um, um, it's amazing. The Mexican food is amazing. You said the what?

• 51:21Speaker 03

  It's been a hundred over.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, but people are pressed, bro. It's dry. There's no humidity. Central air and a pool. What's up?

• 51:26Bunnie XO?

  Girl, I grew up in Vegas. I get it. But this shit's fucking hot as shit.

• 51:29Speaker 03

  It does get hot out there.

• 51:30Bunnie XO?

  So what do you guys have planned for the future?

• 51:33Speaker 03

  We're actually talking about getting some Airbnbs or something, you know, branching out a little bit more just to have some more like.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  I want a cool, cool, fun, passive thing to do, you know? Think an Airbnb, having having a, you know, like an Airbnb would be cool. Um, I don't know. I mean, everything and anything, I guess you could say is is the right answer. I started putting some merch out. I'd like to put out more merch. You know, I just, I just, I sometimes you just have to.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  Continue what we're doing and branch out.

• 52:03Bunnie XO?

  Never jump off a winning horse. That's what I always say. And you guys just bought a house in Arizona, dude, like so. And you got fucking horses?

• 52:10Speaker 02

  Well.

• 52:10Bunnie XO?

  For the neighbors?

• 52:11Speaker 03

  The neighbors got horses right behind you.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  They're yours. I don't care. I don't have to take care of them.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  They're your horses.

• 52:16Bunnie XO?

  They're yours. If they were my neighbors, I'd be like, these are mine. I only have to feed them every now and then and the neighbors take care of them.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Exactly. And they're so sweet. There's this big, there's this one, I mean, they all come over, but there's one that comes over and he's got a big white face and he always pushes all the horses out of the way to get to me and he's like, ah.

• 52:32Bunnie XO?

  Oh, he loves you. He chose you.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  He chose me. He chose me. And then, and then, honestly, it's like we, up until when we met till this, we had all these, all these goals and we crushed all these goals. And, and I'm like, oh my gosh.

• 52:46Speaker 03

  Every goal that we set out.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  We've just been crushing it.

• 52:48Speaker 03

  To accomplish together, since we got together, like, we wanna, you know, I wanted to move out of my mom's house, because, you know, living with your parents sucks when you're in your thirties. But, you know, I fucking.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  I wanted to make, I was like, I simply just want to make five grand a month.

• 53:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember. Can I please just make enough money to pay my bills this month?

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Loans, I want to pay off my debt. Um, I had credit, when I say credit card debt.

• 53:08Bunnie XO?

  That's kind of a form of manifesting what you guys have done.

• 53:10Speaker 02

  A thousand percent. Oh, yeah. And we're about to pay off his student loans and, I don't know, just like, I want to just take care of the responsibility stuff, which we pretty much have done. My pool, our pool's almost done and I got to choose all this stuff.

• 53:22Bunnie XO?

  I can't wait to see that content.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be awesome.

• 53:28Bunnie XO?

  I always say the telltale sign of a healthy relationship is how much you guys grow together. And you guys have grown so much and just accomplished so much. I mean, you guys have been together for fucking ten years. That's an accomplishment in itself.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  It's a long time. It makes me feel like, not old, but like, damn.

• 53:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Dude, I was her age. No, I was younger than she is now when we met.

• 53:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  And I was just like, wow, I can't believe it's been.

• 53:49Speaker 02

  Oh, and I always refer back to, remember when you had that chocolate, rich chocolate brown hair and now it's.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  No, she's gray.

• 53:56Bunnie XO?

  Remember when it was rich chocolate?

• 53:58Speaker 03

  So luscious.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  Luscious charcoal, silvery, sparkly hair.

• 54:04Bunnie XO?

  Jay's getting like gray in his beard and it's hot. I never thought I would think it was hot because I like younger dudes. Obviously, Jay's five years younger than me, but.

• 54:13Speaker 03

  How old are you?

• 54:14Bunnie XO?

  I'm forty-three.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  That's, that's not even believable. That's not even believable for me.

• 54:19Bunnie XO?

  I love you.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  That's, no, you, I think you told me, I don't know, last year and I was like, no, no, no.

• 54:24Bunnie XO?

  The internet fights with me when I tell them. They think I'm lying. And I'm like, motherfucker, I would pick any other, I mean, I love being forty-three, don't get me wrong. I love being the woman that I am, but I would pick like, you know, thirty-six. If I was gonna lie, you know?

• 54:38Speaker 02

  My body staying in the thirties forever and then my mentality, I wish I had the mentality that I have now in my twenties.

• 54:46Bunnie XO?

  We would have been fucking bosses, dude.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  Completely different.

• 54:49Bunnie XO?

  But the wisdom.

• 54:50Speaker 02

  Yes, but, but fighting through, fighting through all of that, we wouldn't be here either. We wouldn't appreciate it as much. So I think that's the gratitude is, is just where it shines in in my, in my, with my older age, quote unquote.

• 55:02Bunnie XO?

  I love it.

• 55:03Speaker 03

  Well, like, you know, I wouldn't change anything. You know, even like, even though this is like a huge thing or and all the things that we've been through together. I wouldn't change anything because we wouldn't be where we are now.

• 55:15Bunnie XO?

  It just brings you so much closer together. I love that.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  It's a, it's been a hell of a ride, but I'm excited for the next 10, you know, and the 10 after that.

• 55:23Bunnie XO?

  Are you guys married or no marriage?

• 55:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Not yet.

• 55:27Bunnie XO?

  Jay made me get married or I would have never got married either. He'd love, he was like, but you're gonna marry me.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  We're so like low key on that a lot, years ago, people were like, you're gonna get married? I was like, let's get our house first. We have the house and we're like.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Well, let's, let's get, let's get our cars paid off. Let's get this done.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  We are engaged and like, that's good enough for me and I, I, I feel like, um, you know, especially like in the now. It's just a piece of paper, but I will say the, the, the responsible part of me is like, I, I would, if something happened medically.

• 55:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  That kind of stuff.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, we'd need that.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  We'll figure it out.

• 56:02Bunnie XO?

  Which heaven forbid, that will not happen.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, we'll, we'll get there.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Not again.

• 56:06Bunnie XO?

  He said, not again. Well, thank you guys so much for coming on the podcast. Why don't you guys, uh, shout out your socials where everybody can find you if they don't follow you guys already?

• 56:15Speaker 02

  I was like, you go first.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  Uh, thanks so much for having me. Seriously, you're an angel.

• 56:21Bunnie XO?

  Dude.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Can't wait to see you again. I can't wait to see you again.

• 56:24Bunnie XO?

  You guys both come back anytime.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Bless your heart.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Um, I'm Heidi Lavon on every platform, H E I D I L O V O N, literally just everywhere. There's no different spelling. So if you can find me.

• 56:35Bunnie XO?

  Say it with a French accent.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  It's this, oh.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Heidi Lavon.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  Heidi Lavon. I didn't know that was French.

• 56:43Bunnie XO?

  Is that French? I don't know.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or heidi levon.com, heidi Lavon merge.com. Heidi Lavon. I don't know.

• 56:48Bunnie XO?

  Where's your OnlyFans? Heidi Lavon?

• 56:49Speaker 02

  Heidi Lavon.

• 56:50Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  But I am, yeah.

• 56:52Bunnie XO?

  James, do you have your own OnlyFans?

• 56:54Speaker 03

  I do, uh, so I can, you know, shoot stuff with her or whatever, but, uh, same James M Ramsey or on Instagram is James underscore M underscore Ramsey.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  James Marshall Ramsey dot com.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  Dot com. And that'll take you to all.

• 57:07Speaker 02

  All of the stuff.

• 57:08Bunnie XO?

  I love that. Again, thank you guys so much for coming on and I cannot wait to see what the next 10 years brings you guys, but I need you guys to come back like once a year and give me an update.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 57:17Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 57:18Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 57:18Bunnie XO?

  Promise?

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Yes, I promise.

• 57:20Bunnie XO?

  All right, awesome. Thank you guys for tuning into another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.