TBT: Gypsy Rose - Healing From Horror

Throwback Thursday Bunnie is joined by Meme and Hailee this week for a deep dive into the story of Gypsy Rose Blanchard. The girls unpack the family secrets, abuse, and trauma Gypsy endured, along with the chilling murder plot involving her mother, Dee Dee. They also discuss Gypsy’s life after prison, her relationships, and her rapid rise to social media fame. Gypsy Rose Blanchard: IG https://www.instagram.com/gypsyrose_a_blanchard/?hl=en | TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@gypsyroseblanchard727?lang=en Watch Full Episodes & More: YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Dumbblondepod

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 1:26Bunnie XO?

  I thought you were talking about Chaji.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  I thought she was talking about Chaji.

• 1:29Bunnie XO?

  No, laddettes. I have my striking young laddettes here. How you guys doing?

• 1:34Speaker 02

  We're doing great.

• 1:35Bunnie XO?

  So one good.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  I'm hungry.

• 1:37Bunnie XO?

  I'm stewed. You guys, we ordered food forever ago and the time keeps going up and I feel, we call this getting Schlotzky'd because Jay and I.

• 1:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I was gonna say, I know.

• 1:48Bunnie XO?

  No, no, no. Me and Jay do because there was one time that Jay was so hungry and he has never ordered from Schlotzky's ever, right?

• 1:57Bunnie XO?

  It's a real place?

• 1:58Bunnie XO?

  Oh, it's a real place. And he ordered a fucking sandwich from Schlotzky's and I'm telling you, he ordered at like seven. At eleven thirty, they were supposed to be bringing it the or no, it was probably eleven at eleven. They were supposed to be bringing it. The fucking restaurant closed. And he never got a sandwich. So we call it getting schlotzkeen because they just keep moving the time up and up and up.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Happened to be in New York, you guys, when I went back up to my hotel room. When we were walking, we were down by Saint Patrick's Cathedral. We ordered it and I wanted like um. Like a little dessert to get delivered. And I was like, by the time we walk all the way back to Times Square, it should be delivered, right? His food got delivered and mine, as the guy showed up, canceled the fucking order.

• 2:46Bunnie XO?

  I feel like they should fucking have to pay for that. Like that is like emotional distress.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  I would like.

• 2:56Bunnie XO?

  And you want something, you have like a taste in your mouth.

• 3:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, speaking of Times Square, we just rang in the new year. Ring a ding ding. We fucking had our New Year's kiss under the. Ball dropping in Times Square with Bailey with us and LL Cool J and Ryan Seacrest. That shit was crazy.

• 3:22Bunnie XO?

  Did you guys full on tongue?

• 3:24Speaker 02

  For the New York New or the.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  It was in the airport.

• 3:28Bunnie XO?

  You're pretend, you guys are pretend gay.

• 3:32Bunnie XO?

  Andy, how does that make you feel? Because Andy's real gay.

• 3:38Bunnie XO?

  I always give them a hard time. I'm like, would you eat a muff? And they're always like, mm, no.

• 3:45Bunnie XO?

  Would you eat a muff? Yeah, baby. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, but it was just magical.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  It really was a very magical moment. The moment I looked up and saw the confetti coming down, I will be honest, everyone, I cried like a little bitch.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  I cried one, I didn't really cry then, but then on Instagram is when I found out that the confetti was hand thrown. And that's when I cried because.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  This one panicked over here.

• 4:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, I mean, you got people throwing shit on you from fucking, you know, you don't even know where it's coming from.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  Well, some have writing on them too, so which means they were like manhandled.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  I had to really block it out.

• 4:24Bunnie XO?

  So anyways, um, we ordered food a while ago and the time just keeps going up and up and up. And just a minute ago, it was at six fifty-five, then it went up to seven ten, then it went up to seven fifteen.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Tell them Ganga, I'm gonna cry.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  And now.

• 4:42Bunnie XO?

  I always message.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  It's at seven thirty-five.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  No.

• 4:45Speaker 03

  I swear to God.

• 4:46Bunnie XO?

  Message the guy and be like, what the fuck is happening?

• 4:48Speaker 03

  Nobody's even, it says preparing your order.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  Oh, they haven't even finished, they haven't even done the wrapping up?

• 4:55Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  Should I call them? Mine doesn't do the wrapping up.

• 4:58Bunnie XO?

  Call, so.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Pause.

• 5:00Bunnie XO?

  While we wait, let's dive into the icon of the month right now, like Gypsy Rose is really getting a lot of attention. And I could listen to her talk forever. I love her voice.

• 5:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, you like how she, yeah.

• 5:17Bunnie XO?

  I love her voice. They do say that, um, when girls have trauma at such a young age, their voices get stuck like that and high pitched. I used to have a friend named Katie who had a really high pitched voice like that.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 5:30Bunnie XO?

  They almost still sound like little girls.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like harboring that little part that you didn't get in your life.

• 5:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, she has so much trauma, dude.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable.

• 5:41Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  It's weird how like kind of normal, I feel like, ish she is right now. With what she freaking went through.

• 5:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. It's definitely a lot to take on. And I was, I started watching her Lifetime, um, episodes last night. Her dad's not a bad looking dude.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  She must be on some type of like publicist run or her publicist got her like doing the rounds because there are so many interviews. We've got Lifetime, we've got ABC, we've got NBC, like all of the things are just coming for her. And I don't know how she's able to keep that composure so well. I'm wondering if someone was training her in jail before she got out. Because she is so well spoken.

• 6:23Bunnie XO?

  Um, I think, uh, probably, yeah, working with somebody, training her, but also when you come from such traumatic shit like that, you learn to have calm in the chaos. So.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  True.

• 6:37Bunnie XO?

  I.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Very, very true.

• 6:38Bunnie XO?

  I really think, you know, and not to mention, she spent a lot of time in hospitals. She spent a lot of time around people who talked, you know?

• 6:45Speaker 03

  And she wasn't not all there. So like she was able to comprehend everything they were saying.

• 6:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just, it's crazy to me. She knows exactly what to say when she's asked, watching that.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  I think it was ABC, I believe, did a interview with her and they asked some really like interesting questions that I feel like they were trying to slip her up almost and get her to say something. And her responses were so well like articulated that it really impressed me.

• 7:13Bunnie XO?

  Well, she's had eight years to sit in there and and think of what she's gonna say too, you know? And I mean, I believe everything about her story. I think even down to the grandpa molesting her. That was um in the first two episodes of her thing last uh that dropped last night, the lifetime thing and you know, the grandpa denied it and I'm just like, hmm, this little girl's been through so much. She's not little anymore, but this girl has been through so much that it's like, why? Her grandpa molesting her is like the least of her worries and I'm not downplaying her trauma. I'm just saying this girl's had her teeth ripped out of her head because of her mom, like crazy shit, you know? So I don't think her saying, hey, my girl. And the weirdest thing was, did you guys watch any of the episodes?

• 7:55Speaker 02

  A little bit of it, yeah.

• 7:56Bunnie XO?

  The grandpa, whenever they said this to him, was completely guilty. He sat there and looked at him and was like, no, I never touched her. She used to try to touch me when she was four years old, like.

• 8:08Speaker 03

  Ew, bro.

• 8:10Bunnie XO?

  Why would you say that?

• 8:11Speaker 03

  Like even.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  And this is the grandpa of the mom. So like that already tells me the mom was already sick in the fucking head.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Well, I think the mom, yeah, I think maybe he did it to the mom and then.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Oh, most definitely.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  You never know.

• 8:23Bunnie XO?

  Gypsy said she did try to talk to her grandpa about it, or her mom about it, and the mom like started like blaming herself and crying and all this stuff. And Gypsy said she just kind of shut down because of course her mom was making it all about her.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 8:38Bunnie XO?

  Wasn't about her child's trauma, you know, had to go, it had to be about her, so. Well, let's dive in. Let's start talking about it.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:45Bunnie XO?

  This story's crazy, man. And I, I really feel like she deserves everything she's getting right now.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  Talking about being a sensation, Gypsy Rose has come out of, uh, jail and overnight has gained seven point four million followers on social media.

• 9:01Bunnie XO?

  Her first selfie was epic.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  All socials? No, just TikTok.

• 9:04Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I was gonna say, I think, yeah, I'm gonna go look at her TikTok right now.

• 9:07Speaker 02

  Her first selfie?

• 9:07Bunnie XO?

  I've never seen somebody's, I know, I've never seen somebody's TikTok grow this fast.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  They already have it verified.

• 9:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like, it's crazy. Her team works hard, that's for sure.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  They put in work.

• 9:17Bunnie XO?

  Eight million, she's at eight million.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  So since last night, when I typed in the seven point four, she has grown.

• 9:22Bunnie XO?

  Seven point four on Instagram.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  Instagram, okay, so since last night, she has jumped to the eight million.

• 9:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  Because she has become more active on, um, TikTok also.

• 9:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  And, you know, came out of the gates, just selfied up, looking amazing.

• 9:36Bunnie XO?

  Married.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  Like.

• 9:38Bunnie XO?

  Uh, she is so cute, right?

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Adorable.

• 9:40Bunnie XO?

  She looks like a cute little possum. Don't you think? Like, just the cutest, like, little, just, you wanna just kiss her little face?

• 9:47Speaker 02

  Her little eyes are adorable. I love it.

• 9:49Bunnie XO?

  Is she not adorable?

• 9:49Speaker 02

  And like, I don't know why, uh, I guess I thought she was younger than she is, but she's not.

• 9:54Bunnie XO?

  She looks young. Her skin's gorgeous.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  Young, you know, she's thirty one.

• 9:57Bunnie XO?

  Thirty one, okay. Like, that prison fucking skincare routine.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  Whatever she was doing, amazing.

• 10:03Bunnie XO?

  Well, they probably, they're not wearing makeup and stuff too, so I feel like that probably fucking helps.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  So to start this off, if you guys don't know who, um, she is, or if you're living under a rock and have never heard this story before, we're, we're gonna go ahead and give you the full breakdown, starting all the way back to her mother, DeeDee.

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• 11:45Bunnie XO?

  Good old DeeDee.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  You want to get us started?

• 11:49Bunnie XO?

  DeeDee Blanchard was born Claudine Petrie in Louisiana, near the Gulf Coast in 1967, and grew up with her family in nearby Golden Meadow. She was one of the five children of Claude Anthony Petrie Senior, that's Gramps, right? And Emma Lou, Emma Louise Gisclair. And they are so Cajun, dude.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  Very Cajun.

• 12:15Bunnie XO?

  So Cajun. Is that what they're called? Cajun? Right? Isn't that, because they talk with that Louisiana.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Cajun accent.

• 12:23Bunnie XO?

  You know, you can't understand them. Like, no, it's crazy.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  Cajun is actually French, fun fact, everyone.

• 12:30Bunnie XO?

  It's French for trash.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  Can we talk about your moment?

• 12:34Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  No, but they have a very strong accent. And five kids, so she's one of five, did you say that? Yep, one of five. Relatives recalled. Yeah, relatives recalled that she had a habit of stealing from her family, which they speculated was a form of retaliation when things didn't go her way. At some point early in her adult life, she worked as a nurse's aide. The family expressed suspicion that in 1997, she might have killed her own mother. By denying her food. So she starved her own mother.

• 13:15Bunnie XO?

  I also read that she was like slowly poisoning her too.

• 13:23Bunnie XO?

  Sorry guys, I don't know what.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  Wet your whistle.

• 13:26Bunnie XO?

  I'm trying to. The fucking Uber Eats driver just messaged me. Said it's gonna be about twenty five minutes. Do we want them to wait? We've already been waiting.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  Long to get anything else.

• 13:34Bunnie XO?

  I was gonna say, yeah, it'll take.

• 13:35Speaker 02

  Tell him to throw in some furry breadsticks.

• 13:38Bunnie XO?

  A furry breadsticks. Um, so how was she withholding food from her mom? She was the nurse's aide.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Her responsibility to do such things as like feeding and.

• 13:51Bunnie XO?

  I wonder if she did it to anyone else too. Like I wonder if she was an aide for anyone else and would also.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Dee Dee had to be sick in the mind to do what she did to her daughter, let alone to everyone else. So. I mean, to put a woman like that in care of anyone is just disheartening.

• 14:06Bunnie XO?

  What weirds me out is it says the family expressed suspicion that in nineteen ninety seven, she might have killed her own mother by denying her food. Yet you guys were fine with her having a child and doing this to her. And but you guys suspected that she killed somebody.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  I feel like.

• 14:23Bunnie XO?

  Like what's wrong with this family?

• 14:24Speaker 02

  They had, this has to be within the genes. This can't.

• 14:29Bunnie XO?

  This is in the DNA, motherfuckers.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  Someone peed in your gene pool.

• 14:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, literally. No, this is, this is more than pissed. This is somebody took a big old.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Nine inch turd.

• 14:37Bunnie XO?

  Nine inch turd, fell from the butthole into these genes. Yeah, for sure. And that's J, G E N E.

• 14:50Bunnie XO?

  I don't even know.

• 14:52Bunnie XO?

  How you just spelled that? I, I'm so hungry. I fucking almost.

• 14:58Bunnie XO?

  Well, when she was twenty four, she became pregnant by Rod Blanchard, then seventeen. What? Sounds not legal.

• 15:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, they said that in the, in the lifetime thing.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  She was twenty four.

• 15:11Bunnie XO?

  Well, she lied. She lied about her age to him. That's what he said.

• 15:16Bunnie XO?

  Wow. Oh Rod and Rod's a good looking dude.

• 15:19Speaker 03

  He's not bad looking. Picture of Rod.

• 15:21Bunnie XO?

  Rod.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  Or Rod. I don't think I've seen him. So I first. Look on her social media. They just put, she put up like a family picture together. Oh, it was on her selfie that has six point five million likes per.

• 15:31Bunnie XO?

  Are you kidding me?

• 15:32Speaker 03

  That's her dad. Yeah. What? That's what I said. That's what I said. I'm like, how did, I'm not understanding how him and.

• 15:41Bunnie XO?

  Fucking old Deidra.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  I wonder if this was, if they were in a relationship.

• 15:45Bunnie XO?

  She was pretty.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:46Bunnie XO?

  For like a year.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  I wonder if they were in a relationship though, or if it was like a one night stand type of thing.

• 15:51Bunnie XO?

  Well, he said that they got married after she got pregnant within like three months and after a year of them being together, he told her like, hey dude, I don't want to be in this anymore.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, they broke up before uh Gypsy was even born.

• 16:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. And the mom always blamed her and said that your dad left me because you weren't the son that he wanted.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  No.

• 16:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. That's fucked up to do to a child, man. How do you say that to a child? Like, that's so fucking weird.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  That's awful. But like, give it up. If you don't want the child, give it up for adoption, man. Like. I don't know. I feel like she kind of saw her ticket though.

• 16:27Bunnie XO?

  Oh, for sure. And a way to control him.

• 16:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:30Bunnie XO?

  For sure. Cause she was very crazy about their relationship. She wouldn't let them have a relationship together.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  They named their daughter Gypsy Rose because Dee Dee liked the name Gypsy and Rod was a fan of Guns N' Roses. Shortly before Gypsy's uh birth in July of nineteen ninety one, the couple separated. When Rod realized he got married for the wrong reasons. He resisted Dee Dee's efforts to get him to return and she took her newborn daughter to live with her family. Gypsy often went with her parents to special Olympics events. In two thousand and one, when Dee Dee claimed Gypsy was eight, she was actually ten. She was named the honorary queen of the Crew of Mid City, a child oriented parade held during Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

• 17:16Bunnie XO?

  It's so weird that she just wanted her kid to be younger than she was. Like, she's still a child. Ten years old is not grown.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  That much older.

• 17:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's so weird.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  I feel like something happened to Dee Dee when she was really young and I know that we had kind of touched on that before. But like she was trying to like hold on to that adolescence with everything that she had.

• 17:36Bunnie XO?

  Well, I think the younger she was too, the more perks she got. It seemed like, yeah. She seems very conniving. Oh, yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  I wonder if we know Gypsy's real age, if her birth certificate was actually.

• 17:50Bunnie XO?

  Well, she forged. She forged her birth certificate.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 17:55Bunnie XO?

  Hmm, weird. Hmm, that'll do it. Yeah. Gypsy seems to have stopped going to school after second grade, possibly even as early as kindergarten. Her mother homeschooled her after that, supposedly because her illnesses were so severe. This was later believed to have been an attempt to isolate Gypsy to further her abuse.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 18:19Bunnie XO?

  Gypsy's father had remarried and Dee Dee moved in with her father and stepmother. They later said that when preparing food for her stepmother, Dee Dee poisoned it with Roundup Weed Killer, leading to the stepmother's chronic illness during this period. During that time, Dee Dee was arrested for several minor offenses, including writing bad checks. When the Petries began to regularly confront her about her treatment of Gypsy and express suspicion about her role in her stepmother's health, Dee Dee left with Gypsy for the New Orleans suburb of, I think it's Slidell. How do I pronounce that? Slidell. Her stepmother's health returned to normal shortly after. Why didn't they test her blood?

• 19:00Speaker 03

  But like, why was she living with them? She couldn't afford to go anywhere else.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Like, and you're just, that's awful.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  But also if you're feeling sick, eating this food, why don't you stop eating this food? But they even said, I even saw like, when she wasn't around and she wasn't eating their food, she would feel better. So I'm just like, how do you not catch on to that?

• 19:24Speaker 02

  I mean, you have to know.

• 19:25Bunnie XO?

  Let me eat something and get sick one time from somebody. I'm never eating from them again.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  She doesn't.

• 19:29Bunnie XO?

  I won't eat from anybody anyways, but like, that's just insane to me that. She just kept doing it. That they just. Her mom, then her. They're like, hey, are you poisoning her? You know, and like letting her fucking lie her way out of it and then continuing to let her cook for this woman.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  I don't feel like.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't know. They had to be sick in their own heads because there's no way that you just, yeah, maybe oblivious, maybe that's what it is.

• 19:55Bunnie XO?

  No, they're not oblivious. They knew what was going on. Oblivious would mean that they weren't paying attention or that they didn't know what was going on. They knew what was going on.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  That's awful.

• 20:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that's exactly what they did.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Leave with this child.

• 20:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  In Slidell.

• 20:10Bunnie XO?

  Slidell.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  In Slidell, she and Gypsy lived in public housing. They paid their bills with Rod's child support payments and public assistance. Dee Dee had been granted due to her daughter's supposed medical conditions. So I'm wondering, she must have been making these up when Gypsy was young. Because it says that she left while she was a newborn and she's over here getting public assistance already while she's a newborn. They saw various specialists. Mostly at the, how would you guys say that? Tulane?

• 20:42Bunnie XO?

  Tulane.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  Mostly at the Tulane Medical Center and the Children's Hospital of New Orleans. Seeking treatment for the illness. Dee Dee claims Gypsy had, which now includes hearing and vision problems. With a muscle biopsy, found no signs of the muscular dystrophy.

• 20:59Bunnie XO?

  Dystrophy.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Dystrophy.

• 21:03Bunnie XO?

  Detostrophy.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  Found no signs of muscular dystrophy Dee Dee insisted Gypsy had. She had successfully insecure treatment for Gypsy's other issues. After she told doctors Gypsy had seizures every few months, they prescribed anti seizure medication. Don't you have to have proof for seizures?

• 21:29Bunnie XO?

  How, so back then, like.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  I'm confused.

• 21:33Bunnie XO?

  Back then, I don't think they had the technology that we have now. Like they don't, they didn't do sleep.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Cause I was gonna say, when, when Kayla had hers, didn't she have to have like? You have to do a sleep study and stuff.

• 21:42Bunnie XO?

  There's a thing with seizures and, you know, this is what I've been told. I'm not one hundred percent positive. So anybody out there, if you have seizures, you know, please take this with a grain of salt. But one of the doctors did tell Kayla that in order to be diagnosed with a seizure problem, you have to have more than one.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  Correct. I do remember her saying that is like you can't be considered epileptic unless you have more than one seizure.

• 22:09Bunnie XO?

  Yes, which is scary.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:12Bunnie XO?

  Because, you know.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  Like, let's just risk it. Oh, my gosh.

• 22:15Bunnie XO?

  So I don't know how if they were like faking it, if she was making Gypsy fake him or what.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  It says that she had several surgeries were performed on her during this time. Dee Dee regularly took Gypsy to the emergency room.

• 22:27Bunnie XO?

  For minor ailments.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  What if she maybe did? Like, what if, I mean, how do we?

• 22:35Bunnie XO?

  Had said in the special, she said that she would do anything for her mom because she just wanted to feel loved. And if she didn't feel loved, um, if she didn't do what her mom wanted her to do, her mom would make sure that she didn't feel loved and would like love on the cat and like pet the cat and like love on the cat and then look at her.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  But like as a newborn, she can, she doesn't know to do that. So she's like, what if she actually had problems as a newborn, like for real? But then Dee Dee saw that she could get money from that and she just kept it going. I feel like maybe that's.

• 23:07Bunnie XO?

  She had an eye problem. She had an extremely lazy eye and I think that's what she noticed.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause in the beginning, they said something about vision issues.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  That and I heard she had like breathing problems or something like that. And that's where the like the sleep apnea.

• 23:20Bunnie XO?

  I don't believe the the breathing problems. I think the mom was causing that, but the eye for sure, something, you know, that she was born with.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you know, I feel like in the nineties too, there also wasn't a whole lot of testing, like you're saying for seizures and things like that. So at that time, she could have almost made up wherever and especially since you hear so often, she definitely doctor shopped. And it even says it in here, like what we were just discussing, that if she didn't get her answer from one doctor, it did not stop her. She was going to walk in clinics. She was going to different doctors and different specialists and different hospitals. And back then, we didn't have the technology we have now.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you could have just shopped anyone in this time.

• 24:03Bunnie XO?

  And that because people back in the day, whenever I used to pop pills, they would doctor shop to get multiple pills. Dude, I used to make so much money selling lore tabs, dude. I'd go to one doctor, get a script for like a hundred and twenty, go to another doctor and I would sell them for four or five dollars a pill.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 24:19Bunnie XO?

  Sometimes six dollars a pill.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 24:22Bunnie XO?

  This is nuts. That was back in the old days.

• 24:26Speaker 03

  Damn. Where did you leave off?

• 24:28Speaker 02

  The second page.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  Okay. After Hurricane Katrina devastated the area in August two thousand and five, DeeDee and Gypsy left their ruined apartment for a shelter in Covington set up for people with special needs. DeeDee said Gypsy's medical records, including her birth certificate, had been destroyed in the flooding. Convenient. A doctor there from the Ozarks suggested they relocate her to Missouri. And the next month, they were airlifted there. That's where I was born.

• 24:58Bunnie XO?

  So they're skipping ahead a lot in this article right here. Um, so her dad was trying really hard to be a part of her life and her dad had already remarried and I love her stepmom. Her stepmom's a dope bitch. You can just tell in her demeanor, the way she carries herself, like love everything about her. I was just like, okay. You know, like this is a good woman. And she, the lady, her stepmother was talking like, hey, we have tried to have a relationship with her. We, during this time, uh, DeeDee had taken Gypsy and completely hidden her. They didn't know where, they thought they died in the Hurricane Katrina.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  Did the dad get with this stepmom shortly after?

• 25:36Bunnie XO?

  Since, I think since she was five months old or something like that.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Gotcha. So immediately he pretty much divorced her.

• 25:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  And goes and is with the same person.

• 25:44Bunnie XO?

  And she's a good, a good looking woman. You can tell.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:47Bunnie XO?

  Cause it was so crazy. Cause I was like, I was like, that's her dad. Cause I didn't expect that. And I was like, not that I think he's hot or anything, but I was just like, for DeeDee, like it just was a mismatched pair.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:59Bunnie XO?

  And then I saw the stepmom and I was like, okay, that'll do it. You know, like I understand. Yeah. Like that, that's more his speed. Um, so yeah, they were trying to do that. And then this is the time when her mom started discovering that she could get like money and stuff.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:15Bunnie XO?

  For DeeDee being sick.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 26:16Bunnie XO?

  And then that's how she had them airlifted was this whole like, Charity.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, so they're saying that she's special needs at this point. So like at this, it's a turning point.

• 26:28Bunnie XO?

  Cancer.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Have they already gone to cancer? I feel like we're on like the verge of cancer.

• 26:33Bunnie XO?

  No, this is, yeah, this is right where she's saying she has cancer. Her head was already shaved. So I'm, I think she was already telling people she had leukemia is what she was telling people. Um, but yeah.

• 26:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, she regularly shaved her head.

• 26:46Bunnie XO?

  At first, DeeDee and Gypsy lived in a rented home in Aurora in southwestern Missouri. During their time there, Gypsy was honored by the Ole Foundation, which advocates for the rights of feeding two recipients. This made me so sick to my stomach when I saw it.

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, it's awful.

• 27:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, just so crazy. As it's two thousand seven Child of the Year, in two thousand eight Habitat for Humanity built them a small home with a wheelchair ramp and hot tub as part of the larger product, project, sorry, as part of a larger project on the north side of Springfield to the east and the two moved there. The story of a single mother with a severely disabled daughter forced to flee Katrina's devastation received considerable local media attention. And the community often pitched in to help the woman who now went by Claudine Blanchard, or however they, I forgot. I forgot how they pronounce it. It was like Blanchard or some shit like that. She had changed her name. DeeDee had changed her name and whom they knew as DeeDee.

• 27:46Bunnie XO?

  Um, so yeah, this time she's already telling people that she has cancer.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  This is now her like fresh start. You know, there's like no social media, but pre Katrina. So Katrina is like her turning point. And Blanchard is now is, is, you know, starting fresh. So no one's going to question her daughter.

• 28:07Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. At all.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Especially if you're regularly, regularly shaving her head. You're not going to be like, oh, that's fake.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  And you know, I know.

• 28:14Bunnie XO?

  Teeth were coming out. She had her fucking saliva glands removed. Did you know that?

• 28:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 28:19Bunnie XO?

  Had her own daughter's saliva glands removed. So which made me think like, can she like, does her mouth?

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Slapping on the knob.

• 28:27Bunnie XO?

  I was going to.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  I knew you were going that direction.

• 28:30Bunnie XO?

  I was going to, but I switched it up because I didn't want to be disrespectful. But I, I, does her mouth get moist? Is the question because if her salivary glands are gone, how does she wet her whistle?

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:43Bunnie XO?

  You know?

• 28:43Speaker 02

  I mean, eating has to be an issue.

• 28:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Most definitely. I'm also wondering in all of this that in you almost won't think that Gypsy believed it. If you're raised your entire life being told the sky is red, you have no idea it's blue.

• 29:00Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 29:02Bunnie XO?

  She didn't believe it because she even says it in the interview. She knew that she was okay because like when her mom wasn't around, she would eat with everybody else. She would go jump on trampolines.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  What I wonder, at what point did she have that like light switch?

• 29:14Bunnie XO?

  Her entire life. She knew that she wasn't wrong. She said that.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  I feel like maybe when she was younger, but I think maybe when she got.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  I'm wondering like consciousness of it of like.

• 29:24Speaker 03

  Real young. She had no idea.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  Like probably like toddler, toddler, um, what is that called?

• 29:31Bunnie XO?

  Five, you start realizing, hey, mom, I can get up and walk. Why am I in this wheelchair? But she said she did it to just like.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  She wanted the love of her mom.

• 29:38Bunnie XO?

  From her mom. Yeah.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  That's.

• 29:40Bunnie XO?

  Which makes me so sad because in these interviews, you can see that she wants to cry talking about her mom. And that's why I really actually love Gypsy now because you can see how much remorse she has.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  She still defends her mom a lot. Like when asked about her mom in that interview that I watched, she still has her mom's back in a lot of this. Which I mean, you have to be trauma bonded to someone like this.

• 30:02Bunnie XO?

  For her soul tie of some sort.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 30:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Rough. If anybody wants to know, our food is not on the way.

• 30:13Bunnie XO?

  Just want to let you guys know that, but we do have a fucking Uber Eats guy there. So. Many people who met Gypsy were charmed by her five foot height, nearly toothless mouth, large glasses and high childlike voice reinforced the perception that she had all the problems her mother claimed she did. Uh, Dee Dee regularly shaved Gypsy's head to mimic the hairless appearance of a chemotherapy patient. Allegedly telling Gypsy that since her medication would eventually cause her hair to fall out, it was best to shave it in advance. Gypsy often wore wigs or hats to cover her baldness. When they left the house, Dee Dee took an oxygen tank and feeding tube with them. Gypsy was fed

• 30:55Bunnie XO?

  the children's liquid nutrition supplement, Pediasure, well into her twenties.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ. Bro, that can't be good for mental. It's very shocking that Gypsy is so

• 31:08Bunnie XO?

  Well rounded.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  And rounded and like normal, having the fact that you lived off of pedi.

• 31:14Bunnie XO?

  Into your twenties, that's not that long ago.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  Healthy.

• 31:18Bunnie XO?

  No, that's, no wonder she wanted to kill her mom.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 31:21Bunnie XO?

  She felt, I saw, uh, she said that her first day in prison, she was happy. She felt free. She said she walked out into the courtyard and fucking was so happy because

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Breath of fresh air.

• 31:36Bunnie XO?

  It was a breath of fresh air. Like that's sad. You're in prison and your first thought is holy shit, I'm free.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  I honestly believe a lot of people commit crimes and stuff to go to prison. Yeah. Like to be free, like.

• 31:48Bunnie XO?

  To get out of situations.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I agree with that too.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  Dee Dee used physical abuse to control Gypsy. Oh, she was beating her too?

• 31:58Bunnie XO?

  Physical and emotional, yeah.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Uh, always holding her hand in the presence of others. When Gypsy said something that suggested she was not genuinely sick or seemed beyond her purported me- mental capacity, Gypsy recalls that her mother would squeeze her hand very tightly. When the two were alone, Dee Dee struck her with an open hand or a coat hanger.

• 32:23Bunnie XO?

  Sounds like fucking mommy dearest.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  That's fucking wild.

• 32:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 32:29Speaker 03

  Medical interventions continued. Dee Dee had some of Gypsy's saliva glands treated with botox, then extracted altogether to control her purported drooling. Gypsy later claimed her mother induced drooling by using a topical anesthetic to numb her gums before doctor visits. The lack of salivary glands, coupled with side effects of the anti-seizure medication she was given, caused Gypsy's already few teeth to decay to the point that the majority of her front teeth were extracted and replaced by a bridge. Tubes were implanted in her ears to control her myriad purported ear infections.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  What?

• 33:15Speaker 03

  God, botox in your saliva glands?

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Absolutely wild.

• 33:19Bunnie XO?

  Ow. And to have those tubes implanted in her ears is crazy because as a child I suffered from severe earaches and they wanted to put tubes in my ears and that, my parents said no, but. Like to fake having severe ear infections? Like, how did she do that? She probably had to cause trauma to Gypsy's ears.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, if she's hitting her, I'm wondering if that like.

• 33:41Bunnie XO?

  Or putting something in there to make the. She had to have inflamed.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  Oh, how sad.

• 33:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  That's.

• 33:48Bunnie XO?

  And there's probably stuff we don't even know about.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Like babies can, that could have been one of, it's hard to tell what's true or not, because like, my kids have multiple ear infections a year, you know, it could have been teething, it could have been like, all these different things that could be causing that, that.

• 34:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but how old was she here?

• 34:04Speaker 02

  She really forced those things. Like, if I wanted to, my kid had two ear infections this past year, I could be like, put tubes in his ears, but like, in reality, if there's no medical records being shared.

• 34:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  She could have literally gone to someone and be like, she's had five ear infections, put tubes in.

• 34:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  And in reality, it could have been like, one.

• 34:21Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  That's so wild.

• 34:23Bunnie XO?

  God, I couldn't imagine being this fucking weird, dude. Fernando Flasterstein, we saw him on these, uh.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  Interviews?

• 34:30Bunnie XO?

  The interview last night. A pediatrician neurologist who saw Gypsy in Springfield became suspicious of her muscular dystrophy diagnosis. He ordered MRIs and blood tests, which found no abnormalities. "I don't see any reason why she doesn't walk," he told DeeDee on a follow-up visit after seeing Gypsy stand and support her own weight. Flasterstein noted that DeeDee was not a good historian. After contacting Gypsy's doctors in New Orleans, he learned that Gypsy's original muscle biopsy had come back negative, undermining DeeDee's reported diagnosis of muscular dystrophy, as well as her claim that all Gypsy's records had been destroyed by flooding. He suspected the possibility of Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 35:14Bunnie XO?

  DeeDee contrived to gain access to Flasterstein's notes and subsequently stopped taking Gypsy to see him.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Hmm, dang.

• 35:23Bunnie XO?

  They were on to her.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  They were on to her, bro.

• 35:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:27Bunnie XO?

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• 36:11Bunnie XO?

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• 36:29Bunnie XO?

  I just don't understand. Like he said in the interview last night, because they were like, well, if you suspected this, why did you not do anything about it? He said, you can't call CPS without having proof. And it's like, how much more fucking proof did you need?

• 36:44Speaker 02

  What other proof do you need to literally be like, yo?

• 36:48Bunnie XO?

  She's had multiple surgeries, her head is shaved, she's in a wheelchair, salivary glands removed, teeth out of her head.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Like, what the hell?

• 36:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like just she, I really feel like these doctors failed her.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  They dropped the ball, wholeheartedly.

• 37:05Bunnie XO?

  So bad. And for them to even go on the show and still defend their actions is crazy. Like, somebody needs to be like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I didn't want to get involved.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:16Bunnie XO?

  Then I could respect it a lot more.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  And like now, if had this happened nowadays, they will call CPS literally over anything.

• 37:23Bunnie XO?

  People call CPS on people all the time.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:26Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Like you didn't have some, I guess just really sad. I feel like the system failed Gypsy in this.

• 37:31Bunnie XO?

  Oh, for sure.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Supporting Dee Dee to social services. Social services. He said other doctors had told him to treat the pair with golden gloves and doubted the authorities.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Would believe him anyways. In two thousand and nine, an anonymous caller told the police about DeeDee's use of different names and birth dates for herself and her daughter, and suggested Gypsy was in better health than claimed. Officers who performed the revolving wellness check accepted DeeDee's explanation that she used the misinformation to make it harder for her abusive ex-husband to find her and Gypsy without talking to Rod, and reported that Gypsy seemed genuinely mentally disabled. The file was closed. So those people also should say sorry.

• 38:16Bunnie XO?

  They also failed her.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Everyone failed.

• 38:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it reminds me of that one story. I forget who it was, but the kid like kept get going into the system, was getting beat by his parent, Gabriel. Hernandez, is that it?

• 38:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was so sad.

• 38:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, and then the little boy ends up dying.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  They kept, they kept him locked in like a cabinet.

• 38:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  What?

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Why do you have kids to do this to them? I feel like the people who don't deserve children have them.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  It's just crazy. DeeDee seems to have at least once forged a copy of Gypsy's birth certificate, changing her birth date to nineteen ninety-five to claims that she was still a teenager. Gypsy said in a later interview that for fourteen years she was not sure of her real age.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  How sad.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  God. She sometimes also claimed that the original had been destroyed during the post-Katrina flooding. DeeDee did keep another copy with Gypsy's real birth date. Gypsy recalls seeing it during one of their hospital visits and becoming confused. DeeDee told her it was a misprint. Since two thousand and one, Gypsy had attended science fiction and fantasy conventions, sometimes in costumes, since she could blend in to their diverse and exclusive and inclusive communities in her wheelchair. At two thou- at a two thousand and eleven event, she made what may have been an escape attempt that ended when her mother found her in a hotel room with a man she had met online. Again, DeeDee produced the paperwork giving Gypsy's false younger birth date and threatened to inform the police.

• 39:45Bunnie XO?

  Gypsy recalls that afterward, DeeDee smashed her computer with a hammer and threatened to do the same to her fingers if she ever tried to escape again. She also kept Gypsy leashed and handcuffed to her bed for two weeks. DeeDee later told Gypsy that she had filed paperwork with the police claiming that Gypsy was mentally incompetent, leading Gypsy to believe that if she attempted to go to the police for help, they would not believe her. That sucks. But it also reminds me of like, didn't she lie to Gypsy's dad about her age too? Yeah. So it's like, no fun when the rabbit's got the gun. Right.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's so scary. Uh, sometime around 2012. So like we're, let me just like timeline this. So now we're in like 2012.

• 40:33Bunnie XO?

  Like I was a junior in high school and this was going on and a whole, like, that's crazy.

• 40:37Speaker 03

  I was 22.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Okay. Sometimes, sometime around 2012.

• 40:43Bunnie XO?

  Wait, you were 22 when I was a junior in high school?

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Let me think.

• 40:45Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  No. Thirty-two?

• 40:47Bunnie XO?

  Thirty-two.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Yep, thirty-two. I don't even know.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  She said, I don't even know.

• 40:52Bunnie XO?

  I was like, we're not six years apart. I know, it's fun to the twos.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Uh, Gypsy, who continued to use the internet after her mother had gone to bed to avoid her tightened supervision, made contact online with Nicholas Gojon, Gojyn?

• 41:09Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  Gojyn, a man around her age from Big Bend, Wisconsin, whom she said she had met on a Christian Singles website.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  Christian Mingle.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Uh, um, he had a criminal record for indecent exposure and a history of mental illness, sometimes reported as dissociative identity disorder. He had also been autistic.

• 41:34Bunnie XO?

  So we're gonna hop back into this. In 2014, Gypsy confided to 23-year-old neighbor, Aaliyah Woodmansey, who unaware that Gypsy was closer to her own age, considered herself a big sister. She confided that she and Gojane, how do I pronounce that? Gojane?

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Gojane? Gojane? Gojane.

• 41:53Bunnie XO?

  She, that she and Gojane had discussed eloping and eve- had even chosen names for potential children. Gypsy, who had five separate Facebook accounts and Gojane flirted online. Their exchange is sometimes using BDSM elements, which Gypsy has since claimed was more what he was interested in. Woodman C tried to talk her out of it, still thinking Gypsy was too young and possibly being taken advantage of by a sexual predator. She considered Gypsy's plans just fantasies and dreams and nothing like this would ever really take place. Despite DeeDee's efforts to prevent her from using the internet, which went on as far as destroying her daughter's phone and laptop, Gypsy maintained contact with Woodman C, who saved printouts of her posts until 2014.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 42:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  So in 2014, we've already got like super smartphones.

• 42:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  You know, there's FaceTime even at this point, like you're fully technolog- technologically aware.

• 42:54Bunnie XO?

  But here's the thing, she's 24. Like, she's a- about to start bucking. You know, like, she's like, I'm ready to rock. I want to get the fuck out of here. I want to have kids with this dude, like, poor baby had to have like an online fantasy life.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Imagine what he told her. I would love to see the transcripts between them, but imagine what he's like opening her eyes to that she had no idea about.

• 43:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  And then not only that, your first sexual like encounters with this person is to talk like in a BDSM way, like she doesn't know that like,

• 43:24Bunnie XO?

  Abusive almost.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Literally you're going-

• 43:25Bunnie XO?

  That's good.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  It's normal or something.

• 43:27Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  God. Insane. The next year, Gypsy arranged and also paid for Goldman to meet her mother in Springfield. Her plan was for him to just casually bump into her while she and DeeDee were at the movie theater, both of them in costume and apparently strike up a relationship that way. And then later for her to introduce him to her mother. As soon as they did meet in person for the first time, He said Gypsy led him to the bathroom where the two of them had sex.

• 44:02Bunnie XO?

  So she obviously wasn't a virgin, which would corroborate her um stories about her grandfather unless there was some other dick she got somewhere along the line.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  What do you mean she wasn't a virgin?

• 44:15Bunnie XO?

  If she's just taking this dude in the bathroom and they're banging and she's a virgin, like I seriously doubt that.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Hmm hmm.

• 44:24Bunnie XO?

  That's, I mean, she. Well, that's why we need Gypsy on the podcast. I know.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Gypsy, come on. They said that the two had continued their um internet interactions and began developing their plan to off.

• 44:37Bunnie XO?

  You ready, Dee Dee?

• 44:38Speaker 02

  Murder.

• 44:39Bunnie XO?

  Murder.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  Gojan returned to Springfield in June of twenty fifteen, arriving while Gypsy and her mother were away at a doctor's appointment. After they had returned home and Dee Dee had gone to sleep, he went to the Blanchard house. Gypsy let him in and allegedly gave him duct tape, gloves and a knife with the understanding that he would use it to murder Dee Dee.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  He's kind of on the spectrum, isn't he?

• 45:08Bunnie XO?

  He's autistic. Yeah, he is, so.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  So I almost feel like, do you guys feel like this? Cause I kind of feel like she may have manipulated him into getting her out of the situation she was with him. Knowing that she kind of had that control of her mind. She's fucking smart, you guys.

• 45:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  You know, and she has proven that time and time again, this Gypsy is really smart. And to me, I feel like maybe she was like, this is my ticket out.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  Maybe, I feel like maybe she told him everything and he maybe was like, you gotta kill her.

• 45:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, the only way out is to kill her.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause I feel like, cause she loved her so much, she might not have come up with the idea.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, that is true. I will take that into consideration because she still to this day so like.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  If she, yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  She does like withhold like a standing with her mom.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  Probably never know. But I feel like it might have been him cuz. He knew that she, the mom or that Dee Dee was probably gonna get in the way of their relationship.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  True.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  So.

• 46:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I don't know. I think that maybe even if she did, you know. Manipulate him, I think it just came naturally to her because you can't deny DNA. You know, so she has a part of her mom in her and I'm sure she is very good at manipulating, you know, it just matters if she's able to recognize that now. Even like, you know, without even trying, without even being conscious that she's doing it because that's so ingrained in her.

• 46:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Which maybe her mom also had no like was the same way.

• 46:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it it goes back to whatever happened to Dee Dee. When she was younger, yeah, and her grandpa or her dad doesn't seem fucking like a stand up.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  I wanna know his childhood too.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  You know, I I feel like you preach this often Bunny and it's very interesting to me cuz I never thought of it in this way is like our parents. Are literally like surviving with trauma they never healed.

• 47:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  And it was our responsibility to then heal, yeah, break that, be the cycle breakers in all of this and you see so often. Where those cycles are not broken and I feel like this is a perfect example of that, that it took until Gypsy to be that. That cycle breaker.

• 47:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Nope, I understand that. Gypsy hid in the bathroom and covered her ears so that she would not have to hear her mother screaming. Nicholas then stabbed Dee Dee seventeen times in her back while she was asleep. That's overkill. That's somebody who hates you.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  That is rage killing.

• 47:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Afterward, the two had sex in Gypsy's room. And took four thousand dollars in cash that Dee Dee had been keeping in the house mostly from Rod's child support checks. They fled to a motel outside of Springfield where they stayed a few days while planning their next move. During that time, they were seen on security cameras at several stores. Gypsy said at the point. Gypsy said at that point she believed the two had gotten away with their crime.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  They mailed the murder weapon back to Nicholas's home in Wisconsin to avoid being caught with it.

• 48:12Bunnie XO?

  Why not throw it in the fucking river?

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Like timestamp myself. Um, and then it took a bus there. Several witnesses who saw the pair on their way to the Greyhound station noted that Gypsy wore a blonde wig and walked unassisted.

• 48:32Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it crazy? That Gypsy's mom, Dee Dee, was accused or suspected of killing her mom. And Gypsy did the same thing.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  She went through with it though.

• 48:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 48:51Speaker 02

  I mean Nicholas technically did it. She just happened to be a little bit smarter to not do it herself. You know, Dee Dee wasn't there. Dee Dee wasn't able to like.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  Do we know for sure that she didn't?

• 49:01Bunnie XO?

  The only thing that makes me question the entire thing is her having sex with him right after the mom was murdered. Like that's kind of like.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  But again, I feel like we're in this spot of which she was not, she didn't know any different. So like in reality, he could have had that like.

• 49:20Speaker 03

  Wouldn't you be traumatized after knowing she was just stabbed?

• 49:24Bunnie XO?

  In the same house.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Seventeen times, like you were so scared you had to cover your ears. But then you're not scared to where you can have sex in the next room?

• 49:38Bunnie XO?

  Well, also it's like highly erotic to like murder somebody and like.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Well, if he's into BDSM. It probably turned him on. So like he probably then in turn was like.

• 49:48Bunnie XO?

  And they're into all that fantasy shit. She learned how to read from Harry Potter, you know, so it could have been like some like weird spell. Seance.

• 49:59Bunnie XO?

  Maybe they had sex with her blood all over her body.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 50:02Bunnie XO?

  I mean, you never know.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  You don't know. But that's the thing though. He had to have been covered in blood. Did you go?

• 50:08Bunnie XO?

  Did you shower?

• 50:10Speaker 02

  After? He clearly probably didn't. So they probably did have sex in her blood because it's seventeen times, you guys, like. Imagine that mess.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  They boned in her blood.

• 50:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  But like I said, did they know for sure she didn't do anything?

• 50:29Speaker 02

  I think that comes into the trial point of all of this is like.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  We're getting, we're getting you live off.

• 50:40Bunnie XO?

  Moving on, cause this is.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  The trial.

• 50:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  After seeing concerning Facebook statuses posted from DeeDee's account, the Blanchards' friends suspected something was amiss. When phone calls went unanswered, several friends and neighbors went to the house. While the friends and neighbors knew that the two often left on medical trips unannounced, they saw DeeDee's modified car still in the driveway, making an unannounced trip unlikely. Protective film on the windows made it hard to see inside in the low light. No one answered the door, so the friends called nine one one. When the police arrived, they had to wait for a search warrant to be issued before they could enter, but they allowed one of the neighbors present to climb through a window

• 51:25Speaker 03

  where he saw that inside of the house was largely undisturbed and that Gypsy's wheelchairs were all still present.

• 51:32Bunnie XO?

  Ooh, I wanna, I'm Googling Gypsy's Facebook post, cause what did she post that was alarming?

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Well, no, DeeDee.

• 51:38Speaker 03

  DeeDee, she posted from DeeDee's.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  They were posting from DeeDee's Facebook.

• 51:41Bunnie XO?

  Saying what?

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Because remember, she doesn't have a public Facebook at this point.

• 51:45Speaker 03

  But I wonder what they were saying for people to think that that was.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  It's alarming.

• 51:50Speaker 03

  When the warrant was issued, police entered the house and found DeeDee's body. A GoFundMe account was set up to pay for her funeral expenses and possibly Gypsy's. All who knew the Blanchards feared the worst. Even if Gypsy had not been harmed, they believed she would be helpless without her wheelchair, medications and support equipment like the oxygen cha- tanks and feeding tube.

• 52:11Bunnie XO?

  So to answer you guys' question, the posts that were on DeeDee's, um.

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Facebook or the bitch is dead.

• 52:19Bunnie XO?

  Well, that that'll do it.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  Okay, but that's still up, right? Has anyone, okay, so like when all this, like when we were talking about Gypsy and like she got convicted and stuff. I went on a deep dive onto Facebook and I'm almost positive it stayed up for a good amount of time before it was deleted. And that you could go on to DeeDee's.

• 52:39Bunnie XO?

  Let me see.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Cause I did go on to DeeDee's Facebook.

• 52:42Bunnie XO?

  I don't get.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Through it.

• 52:44Bunnie XO?

  Did you wanna be caught then? That's what I'm saying.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  But do you think it was him?

• 52:49Bunnie XO?

  She might have had just a tiny bit more to do with this than what she's letting on.

• 52:53Speaker 03

  Or.

• 52:53Bunnie XO?

  Cause how she would have had have given him access to her mom's Facebook.

• 52:57Speaker 03

  True.

• 52:58Bunnie XO?

  You know, and to know that he's posting that, like they're laughing about it, you know?

• 53:03Speaker 03

  Well, I'm just like.

• 53:03Bunnie XO?

  Like where is her mind mentally? Is she celebrating like? I I know Gypsy, everybody loves Gypsy right now, and this is not me knocking her at all. And I know that she portrays to be this really sweet girl, but her actions after her mom died does show. Somebody that has either just fucking went completely AWOL and fucking batshit crazy because she's been abused for so long. Or very manipulative and cunning almost.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  I almost feel though, I mean, none of us have ever been in this situation.

• 53:34Bunnie XO?

  Ever, yeah.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  But had someone pulled my teeth out, shaved my head, starved me.

• 53:41Bunnie XO?

  Put a feeding tube down me.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  Okay, I'd stab a bitch too.

• 53:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:46Speaker 03

  Well, it makes you think though, because like, why not post it from her Facebook account? So I feel like maybe she wanted to disappear. So maybe if she put the bitch is dead, people would think DeeDee killed her or did something to her. And so she was like gone, so she could live like.

• 54:05Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  Under the radar.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  Gotcha, because.

• 54:09Speaker 03

  So I don't think she thought that.

• 54:10Bunnie XO?

  And that's why she was wearing the blonde wigs.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  Knowing damn well she's very noticeable.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  I feel like she wasn't smart enough to maybe think.

• 54:20Bunnie XO?

  Because I'm sitting here trying to like.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  Cause I feel like they wouldn't tell on themselves if they were like thinking they got away with it, because you wouldn't get away with it saying that. So if they post that from her account, it maybe looks like she killed her daughter.

• 54:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, also on the flip side, when you're in an abusive relationship, and I've said this numerous times on the podcast. You get to a point where you're like, motherfucker, if you touch me one more time, I'm going to kill you. When I was in my abusive relationship, I literally told him I bought him, I bought a gun and that if he ever touched me again, I was gonna blow his fucking head off. And I meant it. You know, like I was gonna do it.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  Years into this.

• 54:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so she might have just fucking, you know, had a, what do they call it, a split? Where you just fucking.

• 55:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's why I'm like, did she really stay in the bathroom? Or did she help?

• 55:07Speaker 02

  I mean. If anyone did this to me, I will tell you wholeheartedly, I would have probably done that worse.

• 55:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. They should have just burned the whole house down.

• 55:22Bunnie XO?

  Woodman C, who was among those gathered on the Blanchard's lawn, told police that she knew about Gypsy and her secret boyfriend. She showed them the printouts she had saved, which included his name. Based on that information, police asked Facebook to trace the IP address from which the post to Dee Dee's account had been made. It turned out to be in Wisconsin. And the next day, police agencies in Waukesha County raided the Gojons' big bend home. Gojahn and Gypsy surrendered and were taken into custody on charges of murder and felony armed criminal action.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  So it is hard to tell who posted.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  Why was the neighbor saving all of this?

• 56:02Speaker 02

  Cause she knew what was wrong.

• 56:06Bunnie XO?

  To help Gypsy if in case anything happened with Dee Dee.

• 56:09Speaker 02

  Because she said that he was a predator.

• 56:10Bunnie XO?

  And she thought that, yeah, and she thought that Gypsy was underage.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, the news that Gypsy was safe was greeted with relief in Springfield. Where she and Nicholas were soon extradited and held on a one million dollar bond. But in announcing the news, Green County Sheriff Jim warned things were not always what they appear. The media in Springfield soon reported the truth of.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  The Blanchard's lives, that Gypsy had never been sick and had always been able to walk and her mother had made her pretend otherwise using physical abuse to control her.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  After the disclosure of how Dee Dee had treated Gypsy, sympathy for her as the victim of a violent murder rapidly shifted to her daughter as a long-term victim of child abuse. While the charge of first-degree murder can carry the death penalty under Missouri law or life without parole, county prosecutor Dan Patterson announced he would not seek it for either Gypsy or Nicholas, calling the case extraordinary and unusual. After her attorney obtained her medical records from Louisiana, he secured a plea bargain to second-degree murder for Gypsy. Gypsy was so undernourished up to this point, during the year she was in the county jail,

• 57:33Speaker 03

  her lawyer told BuzzFeed that she had gained fourteen pounds, in contrast to most of his clients who typically lose weight in that situation. In July of 2016, she accepted the plea bargain and was sentenced to ten years in prison. Nicholas still faced the more severe charge because prosecutors contended that he initiated the murder plot, and he and Gypsy agree that he was the one who killed Dee Dee. He was also more severely prosecuted due to different personal circumstances. Nicholas was granted less sympathy and understanding due to a lack of involvement in the abuse. Gypsy's plea bargain agreement did not require her to testify against him. In January of 2017, his trial was postponed when prosecutors requested a second psychiatric exam.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  His lawyers contend that he has an intelligence quotient of eighty-two and is on the autism spectrum, suggesting that he has diminished capacity. He initially waived his right to a trial by jury but changed his mind in June of that year.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  Bro, there had to have been some kind of evidence that proved the fact that he's the one that initiated this murder. If that's, if they're saying in court that that's how he was charged with this, that motherfucker convinced her to murder her mom.

• 58:49Bunnie XO?

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• 59:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I don't know. I think maybe that or he took the rap for her because he figured they were gonna be like in love and get through this. So she's like, I'm gonna take immunity and fucking do a plea bargain and testify or snitch on you allegedly. And you take the fall for this, but we're gonna still be together. You know, like that's just me throwing ideas out there.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know. I feel like he deadass convinced her to, I mean, there had to have been some type of records. I would love to see the court, like the court documents on this case of the fact that like their conversations had to have been saved somewhere.

• 1:00:36Bunnie XO?

  Documented unless they did it over the phone.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Cause they were talking on Facebook.

• 1:00:43Bunnie XO?

  You can easily get that.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  So and she destroyed her smartphone, so they weren't texting or anything like that. Like your conversations were being had on a computer. So there has to be that really solid proof that this was his idea, that he chose to like seek out this plan.

• 1:01:02Bunnie XO?

  In December 2017, the judge set Gojan's trial for November 2018. In their opening statement, prosecutors alleged that Gojan had deliberated for over a year before the crime, while his lawyers pointed to his autism and said that Gypsy had formulated the crime and their lovestruck client had just done as she had asked. The next day prosecutors showed jurors the text messages, sometimes sexually explicit, that Gypsy and Gojan shared in the week before the murder, often using various personas, as well as the knife he had used to commit the murder and some of the texts. He asked her for details about DeeDee's room and sleeping habits.

• 1:01:43Bunnie XO?

  These were supplemented by video of his interview with police after his arrest where he had admitted to killing her.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  That makes me feel a little different.

• 1:01:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Because like, this, if the, if there, if his attorney is like, really trying to make sure that they understood that this was Gypsy and he just played out her fantasy, then there's a possibility this was her idea.

• 1:02:11Bunnie XO?

  I don't think we'll ever, truly. No.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  So wish-washed.

• 1:02:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, Gypsy testified on the trial's third day. She said that while she had indeed suggested to Nicholas that he killed DeeDee to end her mother's abuse, she also considered getting pregnant by him in hopes that once she was carrying Nicholas's child, DeeDee would have to accept him. Along with the knife that she gave to Nicholas, she stole baby clothes from Walmart during a shopping trip so she could go ahead and plan either. However, she said Nicholas never told her what he thought about the pregnancy plan.

• 1:02:52Bunnie XO?

  Just like her mom, her mom was stealing too.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:56Bunnie XO?

  Bro.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  A lot of characteristics.

• 1:02:58Bunnie XO?

  So did she really, did she really end the cycle? I don't, I don't know. Well, she's been in, you have to understand, she's also been in prison too. So she's probably done a lot of self-help stuff. She's probably, she said she did get therapy while she was in prison, not as much as she wanted, but you know. Yeah. Uh, some, so may, I mean, only time will tell. I was gonna say, we will only tell when she has a kid. Mm-hmm. Well, that or.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  They've discussed that so much too.

• 1:03:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Sorry, go ahead.

• 1:03:26Bunnie XO?

  No, you're good. I was gonna say that, or just as time goes on by her actions. Yeah. You'll see. It gets, it's very easy to get tripped up and, you know, things you say online.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  In a world of social media, and she's so involved in social media right now.

• 1:03:40Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  After four days, the case was sent to the jury. Jurors had the option of finding Nicholas guilty of one of three murder charges. Involuntary manslaughter, second degree or first degree murder, or not guilty of any of them. After approximately two hours deliberation, they returned with a verdict and Nicholas was found guilty of first degree murder and armed criminal action. In February twenty nineteen, he was sentenced to life in prison for the murder conviction. The only possible option since prosecutors had declined to seek the death penalty. Nicholas asked Judge David Jones for leniency on the armed criminal action charge, which carries a minimum sentence of only three years, saying that he had fallen blindly in love with Gypsy.

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  He received a sentence of twenty-five years on that charge, which is concurrent with the life sentence.

• 1:04:29Bunnie XO?

  Jones also denied a motion by Gojon's lawyer, Dwayne Perry, for a new trial. Perry argued that the jury should not have been allowed to hear that Gojon had considered raping Dee Dee on the night of the murder. And also argued that the state psychologist should not have been allowed to testify while Gojon psychologist should have, to establish that he had diminished capacity. In denying the motion, Jones conceded that an appeals court could find the latter point significant and consider it a reversible error.

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  You were gonna do what?

• 1:05:05Bunnie XO?

  That that wasn't their first time having sex, though, right?

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  Raping her.

• 1:05:09Bunnie XO?

  Dee Dee, the mom.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Oh, fuck.

• 1:05:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  I was thinking gypsy.

• 1:05:14Bunnie XO?

  That she got murdered. That's gross.

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  Ew.

• 1:05:17Bunnie XO?

  I mean, so he's obviously got.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Do you do you think?

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  He's a few grape short.

• 1:05:21Bunnie XO?

  I feel like he would have done it after.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  That's what I feel like.

• 1:05:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  I feel like, do you think he did?

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  Oh, he, I feel like Dee Dee put up a would put up a fight if she was alive.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  I mean, she.

• 1:05:33Speaker 03

  Do I think he did?

• 1:05:34Bunnie XO?

  Huh?

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  Do you think that he fondled or did something after he murdered her?

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, gypsy wasn't in the room, so I don't think.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  And he was really the BDSM.

• 1:05:44Speaker 03

  I think I feel like maybe he started and maybe stopped himself and that's why.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  That's why they ended up fucking in gypsy's room.

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Did I just solve the case?

• 1:05:54Bunnie XO?

  I don't know. That's gross, man.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  That's disgusting.

• 1:05:58Bunnie XO?

  You hate somebody that much, but you want to fuck them? Like, that's so weird.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  That's just.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  That's weird.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  Do a deep dive on his childhood.

• 1:06:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that's really weird.

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  Oh, gypsy Rose, man. Um, she did express like we had talked about before that she feels like I am more free in prison than living with my mom because now I'm allowed to just live a normal. Live to, uh, I am allowed to just live like a normal woman. He says in two thousand eighteen, gypsy served her sentence in Missouri's correctional center. And did not talk to the media until after she had made her plea. When she did, she told BuzzFeed reporter Michelle Dean. That she had been able to research Munchausen syndrome by proxy, also known.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't remember.

• 1:06:45Bunnie XO?

  Seucious disorder imposed on another.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  Um, on prison computers and her mom had every symptom. I think she would have been the perfect mom for someone that was actually sick. She said she believed DeeDee's claim that she had cancer even though she knew that she could walk and eat solid food, leading her to ascend to the regular head shavings. She always hoped that doctors would see through the ruse and she was frustrated that none besides Lasterstein did.

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  I feel like she probably wanted to tell the doctors.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  I'm wondering.

• 1:07:22Bunnie XO?

  But life at home would be hell if she did.

• 1:07:24Speaker 03

  That's why I said she was probably too scared.

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  She also mentioned how often when they were in public that DeeDee would just hold her hand.

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, so like if she tried to say something, she would squeeze it.

• 1:07:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that just tells me, she probably never left her side in public.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  When Dean asked her what made her want to escape her situation, Gypsy recalled the 2011 incident at the science fiction convention, which made her wonder why she was not allowed to have friends like others her age. While she said that Nicholas took their idle discussions of murder into reality, she accepts that she committed a crime and has to live with the consequences. Nonetheless, she has said that she hopes to help other abused victims.

• 1:08:06Bunnie XO?

  Victims of Munchausen by proxy abuse often avoid doctors and hospitals in their later lives because of lingering trust issues. According to her family Dean and Erin Lee Carr, a documentarian, Gypsy also exhibits at times the same sociopathic, manipulative behaviors as her mother,

• 1:08:25Bunnie XO?

  who was for much of her life, her only role model. She is already psychologically really compromised and she's going to need as much family and underpinning and support as she can get, Friedman told Vulture after viewing Carr's documentary Mommy Dead and Dearest, in which he appears. He also points out that the post-traumatic stress disorder is likely to be an issue in her continuing development. I hope they find someone wherever she chooses to settle who is willing to provide supportive psychotherapy.

• 1:08:57Bunnie XO?

  And then, of course, on September 29th, 2023, the Missouri Department of Corrections confirmed that Gypsy had been granted parole and she was released on December 28th, 2023 after serving eighty-five percent of her sentence per state law.

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  And June 27th, 2022, she married Ryan Scott Anderson. I want to know how she met him.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  Okay, I'll tell you. All right, I love this part. Wait.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  So Ryan had a bet with a friend at work. That the friend at work was gonna write another like popular inmate. And he said, well, if you write that person, I'll write Gypsy Rose.

• 1:09:38Bunnie XO?

  So he already knew her?

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  He was already fascinated with her prior. He had already done research about her. He was a teacher of special, he's now, he is a teacher, but he did prior to that work with children of special needs. So her case like sparked interest within him because he was already working within the special needs. And then in turn, he now is a teacher, but they developed a relationship after that. She was talking to other people. She has been previously engaged prior to him. Yes, she was previously engaged prior to um Ryan and that didn't work out. And when she met Ryan, it took a little bit, but then they began talking a little more frequently and she really liked the way that they talked.

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  And then after a little while, he went and met her and their relationship started from there.

• 1:10:30Bunnie XO?

  She said she liked him because he is from Louisiana.

• 1:10:38Bunnie XO?

  What?

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is weird.

• 1:10:40Bunnie XO?

  That's it? That's it. It's the only reason? Yeah. Well, and good dick, we know that. Yeah, oh god. Yeah, I don't wanna, hey, well, to each their own.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  Makes me feel uncomfy. I didn't know that he's not that much older than her. He does appear to look older. I can't tell.

• 1:10:57Bunnie XO?

  Somebody said he looks like her mom. He does.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  Have you seen the side by side? There is very close similarities of him and her mom.

• 1:11:06Bunnie XO?

  Well, you gotta understand, that girl's been through some shit. She's not gonna have normal, I'm, and this is not me being rude, I'm just saying like. Because of all the shit she's been through, I know she's used to always being with somebody because she was dropped to her mom for so long. But now that she has freedom and like, you know, can move about the cabin as a free woman. I don't know if she's gonna wanna be locked down in a marriage.

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  It was very surprising that she chose something like that so quickly. And didn't even get to come out and experience real life and just live.

• 1:11:37Bunnie XO?

  Go be one of the girls.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  Without being, yeah, without already being so locked down.

• 1:11:41Speaker 03

  Well, maybe she's just so used to being manipulated that he could have maybe done the same thing to her. So she's just like, that's all she knows, kind of.

• 1:11:50Bunnie XO?

  I feel like he doesn't talk a lot, so I think that's a good thing.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  I have, I watched him in part of the interview, it's very, very short. She seems very obsessed with him. You know, I'm watching this and like mid-interview, she just reaches over and like kisses on him and stuff and she, she hasn't found her new obsession. And you know, seeing how her mom was and her mom's obsession with things, doesn't surprise me. And even the psychologist saying, like, she does show similar behaviors as her mom. Who knows?

• 1:12:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I guess we'll just have to watch.

• 1:12:24Bunnie XO?

  Well, I really enjoyed this deep dive. You know, whatever it is, Gypsy, live your fucking life, baby.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  Starting OnlyFans, fucking.

• 1:12:34Bunnie XO?

  I was gonna leave that as a comment under her thing, but I didn't wanna get attacked. I was gonna be like, Gypsy, we need the OF pronto.

• 1:12:42Bunnie XO?

  She'll make so much money. She'll be like. Yeah, she'd probably make fifty million.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  Easily.

• 1:12:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, cuz people are obsessed with her right now. She can't even make one video on TikTok without getting like fifty million views.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  Oh, the likes on her first selfie that she posted.

• 1:13:00Bunnie XO?

  I don't think anybody's ever got that many likes on. Even the, like Kylie Jenner, any of them. I don't think any of them have gotten likes that high.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  And I don't know why, I always thought she was in jail for much longer than she actually was, but I mean, she's been in there since two thousand sixteen. That's actually not that long.

• 1:13:18Speaker 03

  That's only seven years.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's kinda wild.

• 1:13:22Speaker 03

  Well, she got granted early.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, early, of course, but I mean, she, she went in when things were, I mean, what'd you miss, COVID?

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Still, she, she did miss a lot, though.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Have tablets and stuff in jail. I don't feel like she missed that much.

• 1:13:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  They're very connected with the world. It's not like it used to be where it's like you're literally.

• 1:13:45Bunnie XO?

  I find TikTok lives of guys in prison all the time.

• 1:13:48Speaker 03

  Love it. Those are my favorite lives.

• 1:13:50Bunnie XO?

  I already know. When it looks like someone's recording with a calculator, I'm like, they're in prison.

• 1:13:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Nokia.

• 1:13:56Bunnie XO?

  Recording with a calculator. Well, I love you guys. Thanks for going down this wormhole with me. Yeah, I loved it. Thank you, guys, for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.