TBT: Ed Gein - Murder and Mommy Issues

Throwback Thursday Bunnie and Meme dim the lights and bolt the doors for a bone-chilling installment of the Murder Mystery Series. This week, they dive into the twisted world of Ed Gein—better known as “The Butcher of Plainfield.” One of the most infamous killers and grave robbers in history, Gein’s gruesome crimes went on to inspire horror classics like The Silence of the Lambs and House of 1000 Corpses. From his disturbing bond with his mother, to the moment he developed a taste for blood, to the bizarre trophies he kept, this episode will leave you rethinking pigs, shoeboxes, and what true terror really looks like. Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 0:27Speaker 01

  Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker, now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde.

• 0:32Bunnie XO?

  Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit. And I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child. And here we are.

• 0:42Bunnie XO?

  What's up guys? You guys are really loving this little fucking series that we're doing. So today it's just me and Mimi.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  Hey guys.

• 0:53Bunnie XO?

  Hi Mimi. So everybody is loving you on the podcast.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  I've come to find that out. I didn't think, I mean, I don't know. I just didn't think they knew enough about me to want me on here. But all the comments, everyone's so nice to me.

• 1:06Bunnie XO?

  I know. So we might, we might be making Mimi the trusty steed. We don't know yet though. We'll, we'll definitely, we're getting a new studio. So when you guys see the new set, then you'll know if she's coming on or not.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  We'll do like a little reveal.

• 1:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. Hold on one second. My husband's texting me. We're sexting right now.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 1:28Bunnie XO?

  Um, well, today we are going to dive into one of Mimi's favorite serial killers.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  I love him so much.

• 1:38Bunnie XO?

  I'm reading this story and I'm just so fucking sick to my stomach. And she said the craziest thing to me because she's like, I don't feel like he was a serial killer. And I'm like, this dude is fucking, something's wrong with him.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  He's a psychopath. He's my favorite psychopath. I don't believe he was a serial killer. No. He got off on the idea of death.

• 1:59Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Not the idea of killing.

• 2:01Bunnie XO?

  Right, and he only killed a couple of people, right?

• 2:03Speaker 02

  Technically, three people, and that's what makes you a serial killer.

• 2:06Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Three people.

• 2:07Bunnie XO?

  But he dug up the corpses.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  Majority of everyone else that he handled was already dead of natural causes.

• 2:12Bunnie XO?

  Right, but to have compassion for a weirdo like this, it's gonna be hard for me to find, so.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  This is similar to the Eileen Morneau story that we covered.

• 2:20Bunnie XO?

  She kind of, you know, had a heart, at least she loved, you know, girls and fucking only killed men. Completely different.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  He loved them, they just weren't alive.

• 2:30Bunnie XO?

  For those of you who don't know who we're talking about, we are talking about Ed Gein.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Ed Gein.

• 2:34Bunnie XO?

  And he's pretty, pretty spicy, I mean.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  I got her roped in by telling her a very key part of this story and she said, oh, we're doing it. So when you guys get to the pot, I'm gonna tell you guys, but this was, and you know, I, when I was in high school, I became obsessed with studying serial killers more for the psychological side of things. I wanted to know why these people chose to make these decisions in life. And Ed Gein happened to be one of them, and even in high school, I remember thinking to myself, like, I don't feel like he's a serial killer. I feel like he's a psychopath. He's one of the most iconic psychopaths of, you know, history, but serial killer, no.

• 3:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I don't know. Well, we're gonna let you guys decide for yourself. I don't think he's a serial killer either. I do agree with you on that, but I do feel like he's a few grapes short of a fruit salad, for sure. He's a few tacos short of a taco truck, like this dude. And, you know, it's crazy because his mom was so super fucking religious. So I feel like those are the real weirdos, are the people whose parents, I'm one of them, who were super strict and super just like overbearing and like shoved religion down their throat. It's like a different fear that it creates in these kids.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  You know, like, it's one, if, if some, if I had a child and as that child was being raised, if I told them that the color red was blue, that's the name of it, and they got older, they would know no different.

• 4:08Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  They would think the color red is named blue.

• 4:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  And I feel like in these incidents, that's exactly it. I feel like. He knew no difference.

• 4:17Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  He was almost like brainwashed.

• 4:20Bunnie XO?

  For sure. Definitely brainwashed. Yeah, I would definitely agree with you on that.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  You think they can see the hair on my legs from here?

• 4:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I mean, I'm looking right at you on the TV screen and it's all up front and personal. Listen, when you're married, you don't shave your legs. I shaved today for the first time, just because I was like, you know what, it's almost winter, maybe I should shave my Ewok.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  Growing my winter coat out.

• 4:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I had to do it one last time. I was like, I just wanna see what she looks like without hair. Just one last time. I forget, I miss her. I forget what she looks like without hair sometimes. Although I don't like hair. I'm very, like, my hair is not very hairy anyways.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  You don't have hair at all. You don't even have hair on your eyebrows.

• 5:00Bunnie XO?

  Being around my dad, I've realized he's not hairy.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 5:03Bunnie XO?

  So that's why, thank God. My mom was a bushwhacker.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  No hair.

• 5:08Bunnie XO?

  Really? Oh, yeah.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  That's funny that you'd get the dad's genes in that. That's crazy. Normally you get the mom's genes.

• 5:14Bunnie XO?

  I have a lot of my dad's genes, actually.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  You're so much like your dad.

• 5:17Bunnie XO?

  Oh, it's crazy. We were over there, not, we'll get, well, I swear we're going to the murderer soon, but we were over there the other day and my dad, just when he's over something, he's over it. And I'm the same way. Literally, I'm the same way. And I'm like, alright, I gotta go. Like, that's literally what I'll do. And that's what my dad will do. He'll be like, alright, well, it was really nice seeing you and, you know, come and see me tomorrow. I know, I'll be like, Billy, you just asked me to fucking sit here and show you something. Yeah, but I'm tired. We'll deal with that tomorrow. And I'm like, okay, well, see you later. But Caleb was like, dude, you are just like your dad. You made the same facial expressions, like, I have my dad's hand. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. I have my mom's hands, my dad's feet, my dad's arms.

• 5:57Bunnie XO?

  I was like, Dad, can you grow any fucking muscles? Cause I can't. No matter how hard I fucking work out, my upper body just stays the same. He's like, nope, never could.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  That's crazy, but this is kind of ties into the story that we're talking about is like, you get true qualities from your parents, even if you didn't spend a lifetime with these parents.

• 6:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Truly, like, uh, we, you talked about once you kind of, you know, reconnected with your mom, you're like, wow.

• 6:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Wow, there was little things that she would do that you do and like you guys weren't raised together though.

• 6:27Bunnie XO?

  She showed me everything I didn't want to ever become.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, and but now that you're with your dad too, and having him so close again later on in life, you realize there's so many qualities we don't realize that we get from our parents.

• 6:38Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. I'm so glad I turned out more like my dad. I, I have my mom's anxiety and I have her like nervous tics and stuff like that.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  That were passed on genetically versus you have mannerisms of your father.

• 6:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah. And thank God, because my mom was fucking white trash hillbilly dude. She had no fucking coof dude. Rest in peace Vanessa, but you're a fucking lunatic. She came on the Bailey, Bailey Sky posted, I'm sorry, I always call her Bailey Sky because that's her name on TikTok, but Amy Bale Sky, the psychic on TikTok, um, did a reading for Jay and I, and in that reading, my mom decides to come through. Nobody else from my side of the fucking world wants to come through. All of Jay's family members did, but here comes my mom and the first thing she's, she asks is me to take her ashes on the tour bus with her. She wanted to go on tour. And I was like, you know, I'm never going to touch your ashes, lady.

• 7:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like you know, I'm never going to touch your ashes, not happening. Um, but yeah, that's.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  When we're moving the other day, my mom comes out and she's like, I was like, what's wrong? She goes like, I just found grandma. She's like, can someone go get her, please?

• 7:44Bunnie XO?

  Oh, fuck, I hate that dude.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  I didn't even know we had her.

• 7:48Bunnie XO?

  I'm, yeah, that's how, I'm so weird about ashes in our house. We keep them at our other houses. Yeah, because I want, I don't want them in our house because I have a crazy story about. Something that happened with me with ashes. So should I tell it?

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:03Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  I was waiting. Did you see me?

• 8:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so um, I was living with my ex boyfriend at the time and this dude had lost his mom. This is the craziest story ever, but this dude lost his mom and we were having kind of like a get together, a barbecue or something, and he brings this urn with her ashes over to the barbecue. And I'm like, what the fuck is happening? Like, who does that, right? But I mean, who are we to judge anybody's way of grieving or whatever? Well, everybody ends up getting smashed at this fucking little house party barbecue, whatever. And I wake up the next morning and this woman's ashes are in my fucking kitchen. And I'm like,

• 8:40Speaker 02

  He left.

• 8:41Bunnie XO?

  Okay, and at this time I didn't have quite a diversion to ashes, but this is why I do now. Because those ashes sat on my counter for at least two weeks. And the dude, we kept calling him like, hey, come get your mom, come get your mom, come get your mom. Like, we don't want these ashes here. We'd want to make sure that you get them back. And he was just like, oh, just keep them there, you know, like, just completely like blowing it off that fucking his mom, his dead mother was in my kitchen. Well, for those two weeks, I kept getting the most severe headaches. And like, it would start in my neck and like be in my head and my throat. I kept feeling like weird, like suffocation feelings and like,

• 9:22Bunnie XO?

  I just felt like this woman died a violent death and I could not figure it out. At first I thought there was something wrong with me. I was like, what is going on? I'm fucking picking up on something like what's happening? Cause I've always been like really susceptible to anxiety and stuff like that. So I brushed that off. And then one day I was like, it's these fucking ashes. And I'm like, call him and ask him how his mom died. And so my ex calls his mom, calls him, sorry. My ex calls the dude and he's like, my mom died a severely violent death. Her, she died from domestic violence. Her boyfriend stabbed her in her neck and strangled her.

• 10:00Bunnie XO?

  And I'm like, this woman doesn't want to be in these ashes, dude. Like, she's screaming for to be let out of these ashes. She doesn't want to be in this fucking box, you know? I was like, you, do you want to sprinkle your mom's ashes anywhere? And he's like, no, you could just keep, you know, pretty mu- I don't know. We were fucking partying back then. He might have just been a drug addict and fucking.

• 10:19Speaker 02

  Who knows if this is mom?

• 10:20Bunnie XO?

  Right. We were like, I don't know who we ended up with. But anyways, so I took her ashes to the nearest, um, graveyard and in the, in Vegas, there's a graveyard out there that has a lake in it. And I opened up her ashes and I spread them all over the lake. And I just kind of like said a prayer for her and just kind of released her into the earth again. And I tell, when I tell you the relief that was lifted off of my shoulders, when these ashes were released, I didn't have a headache. My neck didn't hurt the next day, nothing. And I could feel her like thanking me. I could see a visual of like a woman just thanking me, you know? And ever since then, I don't keep ashes in my house because I just don't,

• 11:03Bunnie XO?

  you know, people are like, oh, well, it's, they're just remains. There's no energy there. There's energy wherever people want their energy to go.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Lauren taught us that. They will follow themselves.

• 11:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So that's my story of why I don't keep ashes in my house. If anybody else has any weird ashes stories, let me know.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, for reals. That's so scary. And I, I want to think back, like knowing that grandma was in our house this whole time. Like, damn.

• 11:28Bunnie XO?

  Grandma was probably peaceful, though. She's probably happy where she's at and watching the kids grow up and stuff like that.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Exactly that. We love Grandma Vera. We adore.

• 11:36Bunnie XO?

  I love the name Vera. I've always loved that name.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  Grandma Vera, Vera Nicole. So Olivia is Olivia Sue Nicole. Sue for my mom and Nicole for Grandma Vera. But, uh, she was a beautiful woman. I loved Grandma Vera. She was very hard headed. I'm talking very hard headed.

• 11:51Bunnie XO?

  We love a spicy grandma.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  Man, she was like five foot and would kick anyone's ass.

• 11:56Bunnie XO?

  That's how my Volvo was.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 11:58Bunnie XO?

  Four eleven and fucking would beat my dad with brushes.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  Literally, like her son backtalked her one time. Jason said they were driving down the road and she said something. He disagreed. She pulled over on the highway, said, get the fuck out of my car. And kicked Donnie out of the car.

• 12:11Bunnie XO?

  Good. I love a spicy grandma.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  She was so, like, she lived in the hood, too. Like, in the hood. And she was so damn nosy, she would stand out there in her bathrobe, smoking her cigarettes.

• 12:22Bunnie XO?

  Just watching everybody.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  People deal drugs and stuff. She'd be like, he's motherfuckers.

• 12:27Bunnie XO?

  I love it. Moves to the hood, pissed off whenever fucking drug deals are going down.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 12:32Bunnie XO?

  That's hilarious. Alright, well, let's dive into this disgusting story.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  Lower your mic just a little bit, because I think it's covering your face.

• 12:40Bunnie XO?

  No worries. Let's dive into this fucking, listen, if you're eating right now, do not fucking eat. I'm just gonna give a disclaimer. If you're eating right now, which we're about to eat too, so I don't know how I'm about to do this, but if you're eating right now, hurry up and eat and then listen to this. Pause the fucking, yeah, come back, because it gets really gross. And it's so, I don't know if you guys know the story of Ed Gein, it's pretty, pretty fucking.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Gore warning.

• 13:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  Also, like, religious trauma warning?

• 13:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  Like, you already touched on that, but like, gotta really touch on that.

• 13:14Bunnie XO?

  No, for sure. It brought some stuff up for me when I was reading the story. Yeah, I was just like, oh, god, I could, I could relate to that.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 13:21Bunnie XO?

  Alright, so Ed Gein, The House of Horrors. He's also known as the Butcher of Plainfield, or the Plainfield Ghoul.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Um, so, let me just say, I, my favorite movie in the whole wide world is House of a Thousand Corpses.

• 13:36Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Um, I actually have a House of a Thousand Corpses tattoo.

• 13:39Bunnie XO?

  House of a Thousand Corpses.

• 13:41Speaker 02

  Corpses. Um, I, I, I love this movie.

• 13:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I mean, movies that were made after him were House of a Thousand Corpses, Silence of the Lambs, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Those are all great movies.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Well, there was like, there was like a huge list of them, too. So if you guys dive deep, there's like a big list of them. These were some of the main ones. But Otis, which is played by Rob Zombie, um, kind of, you know, made some things.

• 14:05Bunnie XO?

  Channeled him.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, channeled him. That's a great word. Channeled Ed Gein when creating that character. And when you guys are done listening to this story, go watch one of those, and you will totally pick up on the little things. So when I was in high school, learning about Ed Gein, it was cool, because I was able to relate it to that House of a Thousand Corpses. Um, Ed Gein.

• 14:22Bunnie XO?

  House of a thousand corpses.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Corpses, sorry. I always say corpse. Um, Ed Gein, Edward Theodore Gein, also called The Butcher Plainfield, was born on August twenty seventh.

• 14:33Bunnie XO?

  Virgo.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  Oh, six.

• 14:35Bunnie XO?

  They say that Virgos, Geminis, and Pisces are the main.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Really?

• 14:40Bunnie XO?

  Serial killer birth signs.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  No way.

• 14:43Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  That's crazy. I wonder why.

• 14:46Bunnie XO?

  Um.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Do you think it's their temperament?

• 14:49Bunnie XO?

  Pisces men are very violent. So yeah, I could see that.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:52Bunnie XO?

  And very emotional, which makes them violent, can be, not all of them. And then Virgo, I have a lot of Virgo placements and I'm extremely fucking just mean. So I could only imagine a Virgo man. Look at Cash.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Cash is a wild card. So yeah.

• 15:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Totally see that, man.

• 15:12Bunnie XO?

  He's got a little baby serial killer.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Oh, I love it. It's either Joe Dirt or a serial killer. So, you know, one of the two. He's a wild child, man. Like last night, he, he was not, I ended up, I was like, you're a bad boy. Cause he like, wouldn't, he kept like running and jumping off the bed. And waking up his sister and I was like, will you just lay down, please? And I was like, you're being a bad boy. And he looked at me, he's like, I'm being a good boy.

• 15:35Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Please don't do that to me.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  Um.

• 15:39Bunnie XO?

  So, um, Ed was born in July of nineteen, no, I'm sorry, August of, of, uh, nineteen oh six, and he lived until nineteen eighty four. Like this dude lived a long fucking life.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:56Bunnie XO?

  Evil always lives long for some reason.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Into your eighties back in that day.

• 16:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  Crazy to think about.

• 16:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that's nuts. How old was he? He was about, what, eighty two? Yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 16:06Bunnie XO?

  Crazy.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, like that's a long life to live and you lived a crazy life at that.

• 16:12Bunnie XO?

  And the shit he's seen, like, why would you want to be alive to see that?

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:17Bunnie XO?

  Reminisce about it.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  That's so wild, yeah. Oh.

• 16:21Bunnie XO?

  Let's get into his childhood.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  Um, so he was born to a religious uh mother Augusta Ginn. He was Augusta's second born child following the birth of a baby boy, Henry George Ginn in January nineteen oh one.

• 16:35Bunnie XO?

  I wonder if Henry was a Capricorn or an Aquarius. I wonder which one he was.

• 16:40Speaker 02

  Ooh, let's look that up real fast.

• 16:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, can you get like a real date on him because that would under that would. I was reading the story, you know, and we'll get into it later on, but that would explain why some things happened between the brothers.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 16:51Bunnie XO?

  Because.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  January seventeenth.

• 16:53Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so he's right on the same cusp as me. He's a Capricarius. Yeah, he wasn't putting up with that shit.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 16:59Bunnie XO?

  He was like, what the fuck is wrong with you, Ed?

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like something's wrong with you, bro. So the boy's father, George Ginn, drank alcohol excessively and was unable to hold down a job for long periods of time. This infuriated Augusta, who harbored deep resentment towards her husband, but she never pursued a divorce due to her beliefs on the subject. Probably like religious beliefs, right?

• 17:22Speaker 02

  Yes, absolutely.

• 17:24Bunnie XO?

  As a result, Ed and his older brother, Henry, were raised within a temperamental household. I wonder if that means is that if that's a good wording for violent.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  That's, yeah, I really feel like those two probably endured a lot with their father because they they talk about how unhealthy the relationship was between the mother and the father that back in that day, you have an alcoholic father, he's definitely beating the shit out of you.

• 17:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 17:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, cuz child abuse wasn't a thing back then. They believed that you should beat your children back then.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  For sure. My um, my grandfather on my dad's side raging alcoholic and there was five children and like to the point that he would break the kids' bones, like he beat the shit out of these children.

• 18:02Bunnie XO?

  God.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  So, so, so, so bad.

• 18:05Bunnie XO?

  That's terrible. I could never do that to a child.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Back then, you know, my dad was born in the forties like that. They don't, they just kind of like, kids deserve to be beaten.

• 18:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that's terrible. I, I understand a little swat on the butt every now and then, but fucking to break a kid's bones.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, like hurting those children.

• 18:23Bunnie XO?

  Like, that's crazy. I grew up in a very violent household, so I don't, we don't, like Bailey has never been spanked in her life. The child doesn't know what it's like to be spanked, you know, but I understand like when you're raising a child, if you like swat them on the butt, like if they go to like touch a fucking hot stove or something like that.

• 18:43Bunnie XO?

  No, I couldn't do that.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  Um, so Augusta rarely showed affection towards the two sons. She believed that they were condemned to be disappointments, just like their father. Augusta would often preach to them from the Bible and she instilled into them that the beliefs of alcohol and all women, except for herself, of course, were the pinnacles of immorality.

• 19:03Bunnie XO?

  Immorality, for sure. She, uh, it sounds to me like she was extremely narcissistic and she probably had a god complex.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Oh, the fact that they only can like praise her. As a woman, like god forbid, should you find affection in any other woman but your mother? How did she expect them to like continue on their bloodline?

• 19:24Bunnie XO?

  I don't think she thought of that. I think it was, that's why I think she was narcissistic because it was always just about her. And I think she felt so bad about the dad because the dad probably didn't give her the attention she wanted. So she had these two boys and was just like, worship me.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you think, do you think that she had some type of, I, I don't know, this is just how I feel, like psychotic tendencies?

• 19:48Bunnie XO?

  Possibly.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  That then, you know, trickled into.

• 19:51Bunnie XO?

  I'm sure the dad was beating on her too. So I'm sure the only thing that she could control was her two kids. She couldn't control the father. Yeah. So she, you know, came up with, you, when you're in situations like that, you try to find um, other things that you control, can control because everything else is so out of control in your life.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Oh, that makes so much sense.

• 20:15Bunnie XO?

  From early childhood, Ed developed a very close relationship with his mother. Strong beliefs about women considered as an instrument of the devil and a total aversion to any form of transgression became ingrained in him. So that means like anything sexual, he was not allowed to think or do or anything.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  Yeah outwardly speaking about other women and his thoughts.

• 20:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I couldn't imagine raising a little boy to hate women like that.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  No.

• 20:45Bunnie XO?

  That's so weird.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  It like you're also telling someone a natural feeling that you have, you know, like a teen boy when he hit puberty. Imagine like how much trauma that was.

• 20:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's how religion is though, because I was raised the same way that you're not supposed to talk about sex or, you know, till marriage and all that stuff.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Cause like going through puberty and stuff like that's literally a rush of hormones. And you're being told that you're bad for that, like, and it's such a natural thing to be happening within the body. Not saying that they should be acting on sexual things, but like, how do you control those and like open up about those feelings? And like, that's just insane.

• 21:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Ed begins to exhibit signs of disordered sexuality. At the age of 10, he had an orgasm watching his parents slaughtering a pig. Once he, once while he was masturbating in the bathroom, his mother saw him and then outburst of anger grabbed his genitals and immersed him in boiling water. Ed was not allowed to think about sex. On the contrary, he must remain a virgin for life like he promised his parents.

• 21:54Bunnie XO?

  First of all, how do they know he had an orgasm watching this pig get slaughtered? Did he tell somebody about this?

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Maybe in court, he opened up about his life story and like, cause you know, he, well, I don't want to skip ahead, but like, later on in life, he had to speak about these things. You know, so he had to confide in someone about that and maybe, you know,

• 22:17Speaker 02

  who knows, but can you imagine like the, the thought on a child's brain that that's what turns you on?

• 22:26Bunnie XO?

  Guess what? I ordered the food to my house.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  I'm gonna die.

• 22:35Bunnie XO?

  Oh my god, I shouldn't be in charge of anything dude.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  We ordered food before this podcast started and we were gonna eat and then we were gonna start the podcast. And then as she's sitting there, she's like, man, our food is taking so long. This has been like thirty minutes since. And she goes, oh my god, I never ordered it.

• 22:53Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I'm like having the hardest day ever today. My brain is like, I left my brain somewhere.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  Order again. You change the address once you go to checkout?

• 23:04Bunnie XO?

  Definitely gonna do that. I can't, I have to wait till he drops the order off to where I can order it again.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  So he has orgasmed watching his parents slaughter a pig and then got caught masturbating.

• 23:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, and then she puts his fucking genitalia in boiling water. Like, something was really wrong with her. I think maybe she might have gone through some sort of sexual abuse or something happened to her. To where she's just passing this on to her children because you don't get like that unless something happened to you.

• 23:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:33Bunnie XO?

  You know?

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 23:35Bunnie XO?

  So she's just traumatizing him back.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:37Bunnie XO?

  You know, cuz she didn't.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  I think, I think she's, there's a little touch of the psychotics in that bloodline.

• 23:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. A little, little tinge. Little tinge. During their upbringing, Ed and Henry were prohibited from spending any leisurely time away from the family's rural farming property in Plainsville. Which meant their only physical escape was attending school. However, Augusta would discipline her sons if they attempted to make any friends at school, which significantly impeded their social interactions and Ed in particular became a victim of bullying. The brothers only had each other for friendship throughout their childhoods. Instead of spending their spare time playing with other kids their age,

• 24:21Bunnie XO?

  they were confined to doing chores on the farm. And despite these restrictions, Ed continued to show unwavering love and admiration for his mother. However, Henry was not so accepting. Henry was like, ah, yeah, no, this ain't, this ain't it. That's how I was. I grew up in a really strict household and I was like, fuck this. I'm not fucking, this isn't right.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  So Ed has now developed like an obsession, you know?

• 24:46Bunnie XO?

  I wonder if she sexually abused him.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  It had to. I mean, she's grabbing him by the genitalia.

• 24:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Like, that's weird.

• 24:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  You know, and I'm wondering how old he was when this happened, you know?

• 24:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  How old were you when your mass, you're found masturbating? Cause it says, you know, he's a little bit older and like,

• 25:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  You're just gra, you're just manhandling your children like that?

• 25:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like you don't, I would feel weird grabbing a child's wiener, whether it's my kid or not, you know?

• 25:13Speaker 02

  That's weird.

• 25:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, and putting it in boiling water. That's evil.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, so that you're right. He, she could have been, you know, fucking around with him or something.

• 25:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  That caused that sick obsession.

• 25:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  And maybe Henry was just like, no, fuck you. You're not gonna touch me in those places.

• 25:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  And yeah, so now going into teen adult life, you know, in nineteen forty, their father has now died, suffering a heart attack. So in order to gain some additional family income, they took odd jobs as handyman for local residents. Um, Ed and his brother managed to build a reputation as hardworking and trustworthy members of the community, which led Ed securing himself a babysitting work.

• 25:55Bunnie XO?

  God.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Um, he enjoyed it because he liked being around, uh, children more than he died. He did adults. It had been pointed out that his preference may have been due to a lack of social development early in life. So he, you know, he kinda had that, um, was it the Michael Jackson effect?

• 26:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Something was stripped away from him as a child and he was doing anything he could to.

• 26:19Bunnie XO?

  Hold on to that childhood.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 26:21Bunnie XO?

  Or try to create a childhood.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:23Bunnie XO?

  That's so crazy that, you know, you have this guy watching your kids and you don't even realize how fucked up he is in his head.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  Could you imagine later on when like that?

• 26:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Story came to light?

• 26:35Bunnie XO?

  And you're like, that dude used to babysit me?

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:38Bunnie XO?

  God, that would be terrible.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  The kids with him? That's crazy.

• 26:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that's crazy. Um, Henry rejected his mother's ideals and expressed his concern with how attached Ed was to their mother. Henry began to openly criticize their mother, their mother, which pissed off Ed and we don't wanna piss off Ed. So in May of nineteen forty-four, a fire broke out close to the family home and both brothers went out to tackle it. The fire was extinguished, but Ed claimed to have become separated from his brother during. He contacted the police and reported Henry's disappearance, but when the authorities arrived, Ed was suspiciously able to lead them directly to his brother's body. Although Henry had not been burnt by the fire and his head showed signs of bruising consistent with being struck,

• 27:25Bunnie XO?

  police ruled out murder and the cause of death was noted as asphyxiation. So what it sounds to me like what happened was Ed was trying to kill his brother and the brother was fighting back.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly.

• 27:41Bunnie XO?

  But Ed's a fucking psychopath and won.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  I read somewhere that they believe that it was like trauma from like a rock or a very hard, solid object.

• 27:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  So either you beat the shit out of him uncontrollably, but why did the the examiners and stuff not look into this subject a little bit further?

• 28:04Bunnie XO?

  This was like nineteen forty, right? Nineteen forty, so they probably didn't have any.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  Forty-four at this point.

• 28:10Bunnie XO?

  So they probably didn't have like DNA. They probably like, you know, they probably knew the family was already fucking weird.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, true. They had to. It's a small town. It had to have like a reputation or something within the town.

• 28:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  Those two, but like, was that considered one of the deaths that he killed them? Like, did that?

• 28:29Bunnie XO?

  It probably gave him a taste, his first taste of blood. So that's probably what triggered it. And he was like, oh, if I can get away with this, what else can I get away with?

• 28:38Speaker 02

  True.

• 28:39Bunnie XO?

  And it gets weirder, ladies and gentlemen. Like, this is mild.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Very tip of the iceberg.

• 28:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  One year after Henry's death, Augusta suffered a stroke and her health began to deteriorate. She spent most of her time confined to a bed and acted more erratic than ever. Ed served as her only carrier, carer. Ed served as her only carer, but was also the sole victim of her vicious mood swings. In a continued cycle of psychological and emotional abuse, Augusta would compare her son to his useless father, but would then contrasted like.

• 29:16Bunnie XO?

  Contrastingly.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Then, but then contrastingly, show a softer maternal side and allow Ed to sleep in her bed.

• 29:26Bunnie XO?

  That's weird. They were definitely doing something.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  She was touching him.

• 29:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, something's going on.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:32Bunnie XO?

  Definitely snuggling or like, you know, something that's probably just crossing the line.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Like, that's so weird and creepy and like borderline just ew.

• 29:44Bunnie XO?

  Ed continued living with his mother until she died in nineteen forty-five, following multiple strokes, leaving him devastated. Jean had spent thirty-nine years under his mother's roof and lived to serve her every need. And suddenly she was gone, leaving him on his own for the first time in his life.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  He now lost his brother.

• 30:04Bunnie XO?

  Well, he killed his brother.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  It will within a year.

• 30:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  So you have nobody and like the dad passed away in the nineteen forty's. So this is honestly just a five year gap. He lost his whole family.

• 30:18Bunnie XO?

  That and he just doesn't know how to bond with anybody else. So he doesn't have friends. He has no one.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  So Augusta had spent years in bedding into her boys that feelings of sex and lust were absolutely immoral. And to be avoided at all costs. Ed's only compassion until adulthood was from his mother. So that's just to me.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  This is where my empath sets in of like the Eileen Wuornos. He really didn't know any different.

• 30:50Bunnie XO?

  Right. And I understand that.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  And it just like, that's all he knew.

• 30:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Was love from his mother. So he had no, um, like social cues.

• 31:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  And such, which I feel like this plays a role later on in the story of just, he didn't know how to, control his emotions.

• 31:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Either, uh, which I feel like is where the brother incident happened. I don't feel like he went out there with intentions of killing his brother, but I'm sure in a fit of rage, that incident then came to light.

• 31:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. You can read the next one.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  His mother's death was the tipping point. Gein would later say, a force built up within me. In reference to losing his mother. He began visiting local cemeteries and digging up the bodies of deceased women with the intentions of creating a woman suit that he would then wear around. His aim was to physically recreate a version of his mother, later admitting to authorities that he wanted to become her and crawl into her skin. This was the leg, oh, um, the leggings and torso found by.

• 31:57Bunnie XO?

  Schley.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Schley. The leggings and torso found by Schley and his team and Ed Gein admitted to dancing in them in a cemetery on a full moon. It is.

• 32:10Bunnie XO?

  Is he a witch? Like, what's happening?

• 32:12Speaker 02

  It is getting weird now.

• 32:14Bunnie XO?

  A warlock.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  So he has now obsessed over the death of his mother that he wanted to become his mother.

• 32:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  And I feel like the idea of saying that he, like, when he had openly admitted that he wanted to crawl into her skin is something she forced upon him to believe. Like, she couldn't bring him close enough to her. That's fucking weird.

• 32:36Bunnie XO?

  And he's still a virgin right now.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, weird. Eighteen months after his mother's death and intense loneliness, Gein's visits to his mother's grave developed into nocturnal trips to Plainfield Cemetery and other nearby burial grounds with a pry bar. He dug up his mother and removed her head, which he took home to shrink, just as he had read about in his books. It was believed that the first woman Ed Gein took from a grave was his mother. Ed would carve out vaginas, anuses, and skin the breasts from the torso. The rest he would cut up for meat, except the face. Wait, he would cut up for meat? Is he eating them?

• 33:22Speaker 02

  That was never brought to light. Whether he ate them or not.

• 33:27Bunnie XO?

  What's he cutting it up for meat though?

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Maybe he was eating them.

• 33:32Bunnie XO?

  The rest he would cut up for meat, except for the face. Ed painted his mother's vagina silver because hers was special. They were definitely doing something.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  Oh, he wanted to remember that vagina.

• 33:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, because hers was special. It was believed that he placed a bow on it. As he hung it on his wall proudly to be displayed. He would peel off the face or save the entire head to keep him company and he would put lipstick on them. The way they would be dressed up for dinner, this way they would be dressed up for dinner. Ed would use the skin to upholster chairs, decorative masks, and even had full body suits to wear. Ed would read the obituaries in the local paper and get them late at night, just after they were buried. Hmm, fresh bodies.

• 34:19Bunnie XO?

  Uh, that way the durf was softer and easier. Dude, so this dude went from loving his mom to fucking digging up bodies because he's lonely.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was also said that he would cuddle the bodies.

• 34:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Uh, and he liked the fresher ones because they were still warm.

• 34:38Bunnie XO?

  Uh, do you think he would sleep with them?

• 34:41Speaker 02

  They did like ask him a couple of times if he had any um sexual. Anything with these bodies and he has always claimed that he did not.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  But I don't think that's true.

• 34:53Bunnie XO?

  I wonder if his wiener is okay though, because if his mom put it in boiling water, maybe something was wrong with it. I don't know.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Shriveled nugget.

• 34:59Bunnie XO?

  Maybe he was like asexual. I don't know.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Wait, any nonna outie?

• 35:03Bunnie XO?

  I don't know, belly button? I don't know.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  Um, he also crafted, he was an artsman, guys. He also crafted body parts into household items. Um, as well as pieces of clothing, such as a pair of gloves made from human flesh. A pair of lips attached to a window shade pool cord and a belt made of nipples.

• 35:25Bunnie XO?

  What did his house smell like?

• 35:27Speaker 02

  Death.

• 35:28Bunnie XO?

  All these bodies, like, how are you just living around that?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  That is crazy. I did tell Bunny about the belt of nipples and she's like, I'm in.

• 35:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Let's, let's cover this.

• 35:38Bunnie XO?

  That and when you told me about the pig, I was like, all right, he's a real weirdo.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, yeah, this has now developed into like an art form for him.

• 35:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Essentially, his whole entire, and you know, it's crazy is like, it wasn't like a clean home that just had like a pair of lips hanging from the shades. He was a hoarder. So there were stacks of books everywhere. He did love to read. That was his escape. Um, but there was just shit everywhere in this place. So it took a second, you know, for people to realize when they went in there like, holy shit, this is what we're looking at. These chairs that this guy is sitting in are made out of skin.

• 36:15Bunnie XO?

  They would go also go on to find a collection of female genitalia, four chairs with woven cane seats replaced by tanned human skin, tattooed skin lampshades and limbs and heads in boxes. Ginn had made a tom tom drum from a can covered top to bottom with stretched human skin and a skin purse with a handle. He had cut an inverted skull in half to make a bowl and made an armchair with human arm bones. I mean, you gotta admit, the dude's fucking creative.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  He's an artist of.

• 36:50Bunnie XO?

  He's an artist.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Artist. Uh, it did say when you read the tanned skin, he tanned the skin.

• 36:56Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  So it wasn't that he was digging up people with tan skin.

• 37:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  He was actually like, uh, doing things to the skin afterwards.

• 37:05Bunnie XO?

  Leaving it outside if I can get a little suntan. What if he was laying out with these bodies? Like just chilling, putting them in bikinis and like.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  I love that he dressed them up and put lipstick on them for his dinner parties.

• 37:16Bunnie XO?

  That is so weird, dude.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  Skulls were fastened to the posts of Ed Ginn's bed and he had a human skin waist basket. The officers also found a pair of leggings fashioned from the skin of a human legs and a vest made of a woman's torso and breasts. So that's what he would wear around the house.

• 37:36Bunnie XO?

  This is crazy. As well as grave digging, Gein also targeted the living and murdered. Wait, hold on. A- as well as grave digging, Gein also targeted the living and murdered two women named Mary Hogan and Bernice Warden. In nineteen fifty-four, a local tavern owner, Mary, was shot and killed by Gein, and he loaded her body onto a sled and dragged it home.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  So this is where we fall into.

• 38:04Bunnie XO?

  The serial killer.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  The serial killer thing. Um, and that's where I, when I bring up the fact that I feel like he

• 38:13Speaker 02

  was just so socially awkward that he was put into incidences that he didn't know how to get himself out of. Um, and that's where the rage came. So like, he didn't know how to control himself or control his feelings and emotions and urges.

• 38:28Bunnie XO?

  But I'm wondering why he killed these ladies. Like, there's no reason.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Ed denied having sex with the bodies, he assumed, explaining that they smelled too bad.

• 38:36Bunnie XO?

  Ed, that's where you draw the line?

• 38:38Speaker 02

  He's like, nah.

• 38:39Bunnie XO?

  He's like, I'll, I'll chop their meat up. I will use them as a chair. I will fucking wear their bodies, but I'm not sticking my dick in that.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  Gross.

• 38:48Bunnie XO?

  And I mean dudes will fuck anything. So that's pretty shocking, Ed.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  He admitted killing Ms. War- Warden, who was shot in the head with a twenty-two caliber rifle and then dragged outside to his car and transported back to the farmhouse. He confessed to the murder three years earlier of Plainfield innkeeper Mary Hogan, he, who had vanished in a mysterious circumstance.

• 39:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but he's not giving a reason why he did what he did.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  Bernice Warden is

• 39:17Speaker 02

  the local, like, general store owner.

• 39:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  And he had made sexual advances towards her, and she denied him because she was married.

• 39:28Bunnie XO?

  Oh, gotcha.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  And in a fit of rage is when he lashed out, grabbed a gun and shot her.

• 39:34Bunnie XO?

  Wow. So he was trying to get his willy wet.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  He was, yes. And like, and from my understanding, that's what happened at the tavern also. So both of the incidences of the woman, the women that he did admit murdering were in ways that he was trying to make sexual advances towards them. They were not having it, one of them being married with like a whole ass family. And he didn't know how to.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Take that denial.

• 40:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  In it.

• 40:02Bunnie XO?

  Good lord.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  So in November nineteen fifty seven, uh, Gein robbed Bernice at the nearby hardware store she owned and killed her. Bernice's son, a police deputy grew suspicious of Gein and a search of his remote farmhouse was carried out. So when he had murdered her, he drug her body out to the car, put her in there. And he wanted it to make it seem like a robbery.

• 40:27Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  So he went back in and actually took the money. So technically he did rob the store.

• 40:32Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  But that.

• 40:34Bunnie XO?

  I wonder if he, did he really need the money or was he just doing it?

• 40:36Speaker 02

  I think he was literally just like, how can I get out of this?

• 40:40Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  And this is how I'm gonna get out of it.

• 40:41Bunnie XO?

  You can read the next one.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  So while searching the property, investigators discovered horrific scenes. Organs were stored in the refrigerator, a heart sat atop above the kitchen stove. And skulls had been made into soup and cereal bowls. Bernice's body was also found inside of a shed. She had been suspended upside down, decapitated, disemboweled like a hunted animal. He was trying to replicate the feeling he had watching his parents slaughter that pig. So that he would actually use these bowls from human skulls and eat his cereal soups and cooking utensils type things out of them.

• 41:19Bunnie XO?

  That's crazy.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:21Bunnie XO?

  The thought alone is just so.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  So like he wouldn't fuck them, but let me eat out of them.

• 41:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Yeah. I won't stick my dick in you, but I'm gonna eat your brains. Pretty much. I'm gonna eat your head out of your head. Searching the house, authorities found four noses, whole human bones and fragments, nine masks of human skin, bowls made from human skulls, ten female heads with the tops sawed off, human skin covering several chair seats, Mary Hogan's head in a paper bag, Bernice Warden's head in a burlap sack, nine vulvas in a shoebox. Okay, I gotta just pause right here.

• 42:06Bunnie XO?

  You just cut the vulvas off, like not the whole pussy, but you just cut the vulva.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 42:12Bunnie XO?

  Like, that is weird.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  There had to been like, that seems like his trophy.

• 42:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Skulls on his bedposts, organs in the refrigerator, a pair of lips on a drawstring for a window shade, a belt made from human female nipples and a lampshade made from the skin from a human face. I swear, I just got when I was reading this entire list, you know, that song on the first day of Christmas, my true love. Four noses sneezing, you know, like I, I literally just fucking started singing that in my head, like fucking, there's so much shit that they found here. This is crazy. Like, ugh, if you're eating right now, I'm sorry. I'm glad we don't have our food here. It's a reason that happened.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  This is literally, um, uh, this, oh, like, uh, I'm, I'm.

• 43:02Bunnie XO?

  Tongue tied.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  I'm a little tongue tied with this situation because again, I, I kinda like, I don't know. I have a little empathy.

• 43:11Bunnie XO?

  I have none.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Guy was like.

• 43:12Bunnie XO?

  He's cutting vulvas off. I have none. I already have a disdain disdain for men in general. So to know that he's just abusing women like this, I'm like, dude, fuck off.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Crazy, bro. But I don't know. I don't believe the idea that he didn't have sexual advances towards them. I, I feel like there was definitely like.

• 43:30Bunnie XO?

  You don't cut a pussy off and hang a pussy on the wall if there's not something.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:36Bunnie XO?

  There. Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  I wonder if someone ever did have sex with him later on in life. Like, I wonder if he died a virgin or not.

• 43:42Bunnie XO?

  I don't know. I can't believe nobody asked him that. I would have been the first person to be like, hey, did you actually get some puss or was it living puss or only dead puss? Which one was it? Yeah.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:54Bunnie XO?

  Cause he didn't know how to connect to people.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  His mother had frequently instilled into him that women are instruments of the devil and vessels of skin likely played a significant part in his choice on victims. And the demeaning way in which he treated their bodies. So they feel like his rage and the what he did was directly correlated to how his mother raised him.

• 44:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I mean, you think. The shit's fucking, he's, he's fucking got a few screws loose. This dude's fucking weird, man. I don't empathize with him at all. He gives me gross, gross feelings.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, I, I don't know. I just, I feel like it's one of those situations that had he not been brought up that way, do you think he would ever done it?

• 44:37Bunnie XO?

  I mean, you know, he seems like a wild card. His brother was brought up the same way and was fucking fine. You know, knew that shit was wrong. He had discernment. So, I don't know. I think, you know, everybody chooses their own path. Whether it be, you know, maybe he did get like some genetic shit from his parents, but you morally know what's right or wrong.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  That's true. So that maybe that's where it falls into like the idea that he wasn't right in the head.

• 45:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. Definitely something was going on. We're gonna move on to conviction and sentencing. Although Gene was only charged with the murder of Bernice, he also confessed to the murder of Mary during questioning. It is believed he was also responsible for other deaths, although this has never been proven. After his arrest, Gene was diagnosed with schizophrenia, which resulted in him pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. He was consequently deemed unfit for trial and sent to the Central State Hospital for the criminally insane. He was later transferred to Mendota State Hospital in Madison, Wisconsin.

• 45:44Bunnie XO?

  After a decade, Gene's doctors declared him sane enough for trial and within a week, he was found guilty of murder. However, as he was still considered legally insane, he remained in the hospital. While hospitalized, Gene proved himself to be a model patient and enjoyed reading, acu- uh, enjoyed reading, occupational therapy and the radio. Up until his death in nineteen eighty-four, he was not known to display violent tendencies or cause any trouble with other patients or staff. Ed passed away from lung cancer.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  What a model citizen.

• 46:18Bunnie XO?

  What like, like, so I guess in Silence of the Lambs, if you think about it, they portrayed him very calm and very like, but he was like, you know.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  To wear people's skin.

• 46:30Bunnie XO?

  But he was a killer. Yeah.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it it's it's crazy to me because again, once he got the help and I'm sure they medicated him within the mental hospital and such. Once he was given the help that his brain and the chemically unbalanced part of him needed.

• 46:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  He was fine.

• 46:46Bunnie XO?

  I wonder if the schizophrenia caused him to disassociate from reality, so him not knowing. What he or what was he really schizophrenic? Did they just do that so that he would just not get put to death?

• 46:59Speaker 02

  I don't know, like who would have had his back in all this? I mean, there's, there was so much evidence. I feel like it it was like, no, bro, you insane, because you don't do those things and not be that chemically unwell.

• 47:11Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  He had to have been so far gone and the isolation of it all didn't make it any better. So once he got that help that he needed and medicated. Maybe that side of him really was just the schizophrenia, like someone literally in his head being like, yo, go do those things.

• 47:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  His mother in his head saying.

• 47:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, possibly. Well, I don't know about you guys, but I felt fucking gross.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  I'm hungry.

• 47:38Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my god, I the thought of eating food right now grosses me out, dude.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Stick it in a skull.

• 47:47Bunnie XO?

  So what do you guys think about Ed Gein? Do you guys sympathize with him or not? Because I don't.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  He's a serial killer? I don't.

• 47:53Bunnie XO?

  I don't think he's a serial killer. I do agree with you on that, but I do think there's something fucking.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  He's a psychopath.

• 47:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, something's definitely wrong with him, but I don't think he should be considered a serial killer.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  No, not at all. I I don't. Um, I feel like someone who would be within like the serial killer vibe. Would be someone.

• 48:10Bunnie XO?

  Jeffrey Dahmer.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, sought out the death and the thrill of the kill. This guy was literally just mentally unwell.

• 48:17Bunnie XO?

  Jeffrey Dahmer kind of seems like he might have idolized Gein a little bit.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Maybe he, you know, knew about Gein or something.

• 48:25Bunnie XO?

  Maybe he was Gein reincarnated.

• 48:29Bunnie XO?

  On that note, we're gonna go eat. Love you guys. Thanks for tuning in to another episode and we will see you guys next week. Bye.