Season 9: Best of (Part 5)

In this “Best of Season 9,” DJ Paul recalls the $34 dice game that changed his life after growing up around drug dealers. Danielle Sylvester shares her journey from Burger King to the strip club and reconnecting with her biological family. Dr. Cordovez reflects on her move from Panama to the U. S. and the unforgettable moment of treating her first patient. Brothers Osborne talk about staying true to their sound, winning a Grammy for “Younger Me,” and building a devoted fan base. Roseanne Barr opens up about OCD and childhood struggles, while Wiz Khalifa discusses growing up in a military family and the cultural experiences that shaped him. The gals wrap up with heartfelt reflections on the show’s growth and keeping connections genuine. Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Bunnie XO?

  Hey guys, I need to ask you a question. I want to know, why in the hell are you not on Patreon? I don't think you guys even realize how much content we have on Patreon. Let me break it down for you. We have the Bunny XO Show, we have Meet the DeForts, we have Popaganda, we have more shows that we're adding, and not to mention, we have the visuals of the podcast. Head over to www.patreon.com backslash dumb blonde podcast and sign up. Bunny XO. She was a Vegas bunny. Bunny XO. Bunny XO. She changed my life. Dumb Blonde Podcast and Bunny XO.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Kelly rolls like Bunny XO. Bunny XO. Tell us about Bunny XO. Bunny XO.

• 0:51Bunnie XO?

  Is this thing on? So I wanted to kind of bring my listeners on a journey with you because you have so much lore to you. Um, and I wanted to kind of, you know, take it back to your childhood in Memphis, growing up. You know, tell me what that was like. I know you've told this story a million times, but I know there's a bunch of listeners that probably are just getting to know you from my podcast. I really just want to paint that picture of where you came from to where you are now. Um, growing up in Memphis, take me on that ride because it was in the eighties and nineties, right?

• 1:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I grew up in Memphis in the, yeah, eighties and nineties and, um.

• 1:27Bunnie XO?

  The eighties and nineties were elite.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was the best.

• 1:30Bunnie XO?

  I was born in eighty, so I mean, there's nothing that compares from eighty to the two thousands, dude.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was the best, man, you know, like, it was the best time, like, um, I was just talking about this to my friend a couple of days ago, like, I like watching these, watching these movies or looking at these pictures of all of the, you know, not to, and some people look at this and be like, oh, why is he glamorizing, you know, uh, drug dealers and this and that, but it's not about.

• 1:58Bunnie XO?

  That's your, that's how you grew up.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  It's not about the drug dealers, it's just about the whole swag of that.

• 2:04Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  In the eighties, like when you watch the Paid in Full movie.

• 2:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  You see the troop. Jackets and eight ball jacket, you remember the eight ball jackets?

• 2:15Speaker 02

  The, you know, the kangos.

• 2:17Bunnie XO?

  The ambiance of, of that generation was just insane.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the, and the old five hundred Mercedes with the skirts on it.

• 2:27Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  AMG wheels. I mean, a lot of that stuff is still around and happening today.

• 2:33Bunnie XO?

  It's modernized.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Modernized. So like, you know, like these little Vuitton and Gucci bag, it was the same designs back then. So, you know, like I grew up in that, you know, my brother was a big drug dealer. He went to federal prison.

• 2:45Bunnie XO?

  How many brothers and sisters do you have? I couldn't find a, a, of, an answer on that when I Googled that.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm still looking for that answer myself, actually.

• 2:53Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 2:56Bunnie XO?

  I love it, though.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot. I got, uh, six-ish, six-ish brothers. Cause my, my mom and my dad, they had, you know, kids, you know, separately, but I got around six, six, seven brothers and, you know, four sisters-ish. Ish, but, um.

• 3:15Bunnie XO?

  So you're gonna have a bunch of people reaching out to you after this interview. Hey, I'm your brother. I'm your sister.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, ones that I noticed my brother's sister, be like, no motherfucker, you got this many brothers and this many. So, you know, I grew up in that world. I grew up in that world. My brother was, you know, in that world and, you know, all his friends. So I was a kid, you know, looking at all that. I'm looking at new Mercedes pull up, new Corvettes pull up to the house and this and that. And I'm just like, man. And then I went to school down the street from this house of these big drug dealers in Memphis, like the most popular drug dealers in Memphis history. Had a house on, on the exact street that my, uh, junior high school was at.

• 3:57Bunnie XO?

  So you grew up around hustling?

• 3:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:59Bunnie XO?

  Like you just saw it from the.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, every, every day, every day I saw just a driveway full of Corvettes and Mercedes and this and that, you know, not in my parents' house, but like my brother's house and the houses in the neighborhood. All these guys was in my neighborhood.

• 4:16Bunnie XO?

  What's some, what's one of the wildest things you saw growing up in Memphis during that time?

• 4:22Bunnie XO?

  As a child.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  That I saw or heard about?

• 4:26Bunnie XO?

  That like left an imprint on you, something that left an imprint on you.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Oh, well, this guy, this guy got killed for thirty-four dollars in a, in a, in a, in a dice game.

• 4:35Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Up street from my auntie's house.

• 4:37Bunnie XO?

  No, thirty-four?

• 4:38Speaker 02

  That, that right there let me know that people would do anything for anything.

• 4:43Bunnie XO?

  Wow, what a life lesson to take with you, uh, a young, as a young child.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't physically see it, I was there, it happened up the street, you know, my family members started running this and that, and people was running all that, and I was like, what happened there, like, you know, got this guy, but that happened a lot in the eighties, you know, people getting killed over dice games, man, that's a lot of people dead over dice games.

• 5:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, all the boys.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Cause you walk around, you could walk around these two little fucking cubes in your pocket, and you can, that would be your meal for the day if you knew how to play.

• 5:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely, I grew up in Vegas, so everybody had dice in their hands, all the boys, all the D-boys for sure.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  Dice, man, if you ain't got nothing, you could make you a few dollars off dice.

• 5:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  So that dude that killed that dude over thirty-four dollars, he probably, and man, back then, shit, a fucking, a combo meal was like four dollars.

• 5:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  So he had, man, he had about a week's worth of food he lost right there.

• 5:35Bunnie XO?

  Oh, man.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  Sad.

• 5:37Bunnie XO?

  That is sad, I hate that.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was, that right there set it for, that set the tone for me.

• 5:42Bunnie XO?

  How close were you with your brothers and sisters growing up?

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Super close.

• 5:46Bunnie XO?

  All of them, or just particular ones?

• 5:48Speaker 02

  I was, I was the youngest, when I, when I was born, it was only two brothers still living in the house.

• 5:54Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  But my sister lived next door, all of us kind of lived in the same neighborhood.

• 5:58Bunnie XO?

  So you're the baby?

• 5:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm the youngest.

• 6:00Bunnie XO?

  I never knew that about you.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm the baby.

• 6:02Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  The youngest in charge, especially that.

• 6:06Bunnie XO?

  What was your relationship with your mom? Cause I know you've touched base on that a couple times.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was real good, it was real good, you know, I live with my mom almost, you know, I, I was, uh, I lived with my mom all the way up to the point, we recorded our old Three Six Mafia albums in my mom's house.

• 6:25Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, not all of them, but like,

• 6:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  All of the underground, all of the underground stuff was recorded in my mom's house, so everybody met my mom, even some guys who I'm not cool with. Who was never even a part of our group.

• 6:40Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Been in my house at least probably one time recording and met my mom. Everybody met my mom. My mom was super cool. Me and my mom had a super close relationship. And my daddy passed, when my daddy passed away, I bought my mom a house.

• 6:53Bunnie XO?

  How old were you when your father passed?

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Uh, hmm, probably thirty something.

• 6:59Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so it was when you were older?

• 7:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:02Bunnie XO?

  It wasn't when you were a child, okay.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, both of them passed when I was in my thirties. Now, my dad in my twenties, my mom in my thirties.

• 7:11Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:12Bunnie XO?

  Was mom always supportive of your choice in doing music?

• 7:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, she loved it.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  My mom used to take me to the organ lessons. I played, I took organ lessons.

• 7:22Bunnie XO?

  Aw, I love that. Can you still play?

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. I still play on all, all of my music.

• 7:27Bunnie XO?

  Where did your inspiration and your drive to want to do music come from?

• 7:33Speaker 02

  Um, I, I, so we was the only, my daddy owned a company, so we, even though we lived in a bad neighborhood, we was one of the people who had the better house in the bad neighborhood.

• 7:47Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  So like, we was the ones, when you riding through the bad neighborhood and you see, you see where they built on the back of the house, that happened all the time in the hood.

• 7:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Like, instead of buying a big house, they just built on the back of the house.

• 7:58Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Shit didn't even match. It would be a different color, different material. Front of the house would be brick, the back of it would be wood, whatever.

• 8:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  I lived in one of those houses. And, um, my daddy built on like an extra few bedrooms and a whole nother den in the back for my, uh, brothers. So, um, we had cable when cable first came out.

• 8:20Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  You know, we had cable, so I would be sitting on, on the, on the floor, like this close to the TV watching MTV when it first came out. I remember when MTV first came out.

• 8:32Bunnie XO?

  I wish they would bring MTV back. It, just the nostalgia alone, like.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if they bring it back, they should just play old shit, not new shit.

• 8:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I feel like there's no, we'll get to that later, but yeah, for sure. The music nowadays is just, it's not like it used to be.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's some good music out, but you know, it's just, it's different. Yeah, we'll get into that.

• 8:51Bunnie XO?

  Never gonna compare.

• 8:52Speaker 02

  But, um, I, I was planted in front of the TV watching MTV.

• 8:58Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  You know, watching all these guys. I grew up on rock music, and I think that's what contribute to making the Three Six Mafia sound and, uh, Excuse me, the rowdiness and the wildness, like tear the club up, hit a motherfucker and stuff like that is, it came from me growing up on rock music.

• 9:17Bunnie XO?

  What was like your favorite rock band growing up? What were some of those?

• 9:19Speaker 02

  Like Van Halen.

• 9:20Bunnie XO?

  Yes, that's the first CD I ever stole was a Van Halen and got caught was stealing a Van Halen CD.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just bought a Eddie Van Halen EVH guitar.

• 9:29Bunnie XO?

  Oh, dope.

• 9:30Speaker 02

  I got it at the house now. I gotta hang up. I got a huge guitar collection, but that was, you know, Jump was one of my favorite songs. Still, it's one of my favorite songs of all time.

• 9:39Bunnie XO?

  The guitars in that is insane.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the synths.

• 9:42Bunnie XO?

  And the synthesizers, yep.

• 9:43Speaker 02

  The synthesizers, because a lot of these rockers back in the day, they didn't have

• 9:49Speaker 02

  keyboard players. They just relied on guitars and drums, but I liked when they added, you know, some keys in there.

• 9:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  Cause I'm a keyboard player.

• 9:58Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  So that was, that was dope on the end.

• 10:01Bunnie XO?

  We had the most beautiful time. We went and swam with friggin' manta rays.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. The amount of people who were like, how the fuck did you do that? And I'm like, when you get there, it takes all the fear away. I don't know how to explain it.

• 10:16Bunnie XO?

  Had a lot of fear still.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  No, I, I literally, when I saw everyone out there in the lights in the water, I was like, I can do this.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  It took me a second to jump off the boat.

• 10:24Bunnie XO?

  So on the way up there, everybody's quiet. Nobody's fucking saying a word.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  We're just all looking at stars.

• 10:30Bunnie XO?

  We are, we are in the middle of the ocean in the middle of the night and we're just like, it, I don't know if you've ever been out on the ocean at nighttime. It is fucking scary.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  It's eerie.

• 10:40Bunnie XO?

  It is so eerie. It is the blackest of black out there.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 10:44Bunnie XO?

  But once we pulled up to, they have this roped off little area that isn't far from shore, which is crazy.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  We all thought we were going in the middle of the ocean.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  They said thirty minutes and we all said, into darkness?

• 10:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Yeah. And they tricked me. So I had told everybody, listen, I'm not gonna go on this. If we only go ten or fifteen minutes out, I'll do that, but I'm not doing the thirty to forty-five. Fifty minutes later.

• 11:09Speaker 04

  Fifty minutes later.

• 11:11Bunnie XO?

  We are literally. Get to the destination. I'm like clocking it on my phone the whole time. I'm looking at Mimi.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  She did. How much longer?

• 11:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  And she goes, it's already been 28.

• 11:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Like, I was so bothered, but when we pulled up, the scene was so beautiful.

• 11:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:26Bunnie XO?

  There was boats everywhere and there was like neon lights under the water and you could see these huge, beautiful creatures. They were just so happy to show off and be around humans.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  I can see why Moana's grandma literally became one of those.

• 11:41Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm. Like, they were so cute. And I told Mimi.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  They were huge.

• 11:45Bunnie XO?

  I told Mimi, I go, wait, watch when we get in the water, our energy is gonna attract them. They're gonna come to us. And the minute we got in that water, dude, I looked down.

• 11:53Speaker 04

  It was ours.

• 11:54Bunnie XO?

  There are two of them just coming, like, one of them touched Andy. He got the worst footage. Love you, Andy.

• 12:00Speaker 04

  Andy was in the worst spot ever.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  Andy was literally squealing and taking, he was like trying to drown me because he's taking the raft that I'm holding on to and trying to put his body on top of it. His feet are like coming up out of the water and I literally kept saying, Andy, hand me the fucking camera. Because he's like.

• 12:21Bunnie XO?

  And Jay, Jay's over there fucking laughing his ass off like a maniac. He's like, it just touched me. He was like, just a little kid.

• 12:27Speaker 04

  It was kinda scary at times.

• 12:29Bunnie XO?

  And then, but his legs were so white, I was scared to be by Jay because I kept thinking that it was a fucking man ray coming up. Cause his fucking legs are.

• 12:37Speaker 04

  I looked under the water one time and all I saw were two white legs.

• 12:40Bunnie XO?

  Fucking man. Listen, I love my husband. He's a fucking different shade of white, dude. It is crazy.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  I lifted my head up to tell.

• 12:46Bunnie XO?

  He's translucent. Okay?

• 12:48Speaker 03

  That's what was attracting him.

• 12:49Bunnie XO?

  Literally. It wasn't us. It was his legs. They were like, ooh.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  I look up to tell Haley and Bunny across from me, hey, there's one coming. And I put my face back in and at that moment, it was right there. It just like skimmed my face.

• 13:02Speaker 04

  They got so close.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  They did.

• 13:04Speaker 04

  Terrifying.

• 13:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. No, it was so spiritual, though.

• 13:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:09Bunnie XO?

  Like, to be in the, in fucking meat, monster soup, isn't that what they, they call the ocean, monster soup? To be in monster soup and watch these animals come up, they have this face that smiles at you.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  And a vagina.

• 13:21Bunnie XO?

  I didn't see the vagina.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  Bro, the monop- the monopussy? The monopussy was real.

• 13:28Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure it's in one of the videos. Like, when it came up, that thing was that big.

• 13:33Bunnie XO?

  Why?

• 13:34Speaker 03

  Split right now. I mean, they shit out little pups.

• 13:38Bunnie XO?

  Oh, is that their butthole and puss?

• 13:41Speaker 03

  It looked, I mean.

• 13:43Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 13:44Bunnie XO?

  We need to study the manure DNA. I didn't see it. I was too fucking focused on their big ass mouths they keep open.

• 13:50Speaker 04

  The mouths were terrifying.

• 13:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:51Speaker 04

  I was like, am I gonna go in there?

• 13:53Speaker 03

  They're scooping up the plankton and that's what those lights do, which I didn't know. So those lights attract plankton, which then attract the manure, which by the way, we called them manatees for the good first hour of this.

• 14:06Bunnie XO?

  I still think they're manatees.

• 14:07Speaker 03

  We thought that's what it was, manure, and then they like, they scoop up all the plank. They're kind of like whales. Whales just open their mouths and scoop it up. What if they would have gotten like Andy's foot?

• 14:18Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I would have cried laughing for the rest of my life.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  Of all people, if Andy's foot had inserted a manure.

• 14:25Speaker 04

  And it would have taken him down.

• 14:28Bunnie XO?

  Oh my, okay. We're taking, this is, you overcooked it.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  He ripped so hard there.

• 14:33Bunnie XO?

  So back to this accident though. So what happened? Like somebody just cut you guys off and smashed into you? Cause this is, looks really friggin serious.

• 14:41Speaker 05

  Um, a semi, semi-ish. I guess it was like a, it was a Penske truck. And yeah.

• 14:49Bunnie XO?

  Is this in?

• 14:49Speaker 05

  That was my dream car. I loved her. That's Regina George.

• 14:52Bunnie XO?

  Is, I love that. Is, um, is this in a lawsuit? Are you guys, you know, suing?

• 14:57Speaker 05

  It was at the time. Yeah. Um, it's been two years now.

• 15:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 15:02Speaker 05

  And I still love her.

• 15:03Bunnie XO?

  That was two years ago. Do you miss her?

• 15:05Speaker 05

  I do miss her.

• 15:05Bunnie XO?

  Oh, well, I'm glad you guys are safe. What happened? What injuries did you get from this?

• 15:10Speaker 05

  My face was insane.

• 15:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Can we pull up a picture of her face? It's on your Snapchat right now?

• 15:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, but it's probably on there. You type in face. Oh, I like that it came up when you, oh yeah, look at that. It was like that for a while too. I, right here, they never said that if it was broken or not, but they thought my cheekbone was broken. But I had like this weird dent for like the longest time in my face, like when I would smile. Um, and sometimes it actually still hurts, but my face was like mainly the issue. Like I was bruised and everything all over. But then Kayden like really messed up his elbow and had stitches and stuff.

• 15:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 15:49Speaker 05

  But it definitely could have been a lot worse.

• 15:51Bunnie XO?

  Way worse, right? Especially getting hit by a Penske truck. That's crazy.

• 15:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, they were like, you guys should have been dead.

• 16:00Speaker 05

  Definitely should have. But then there's of course people that thought I was drinking and driving, but obviously I would have been arrested.

• 16:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 05

  Kayden was definitely hammered.

• 16:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 16:08Speaker 05

  He wasn't driving.

• 16:09Speaker 04

  Oh, I started watching Tell Me Li- Tell Me Lies.

• 16:12Bunnie XO?

  What is that?

• 16:13Speaker 04

  I don't know, but it's uh, it's steamy. It's kinda steamy. Um, I'm only on like episode three.

• 16:17Bunnie XO?

  I love a good steamboat.

• 16:19Speaker 04

  You would like it. It's ki- it's kinda steamy. And then I also watched School Spirits. I don't know if you watch that.

• 16:24Bunnie XO?

  Mm-mm.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  Fire. It was on Netflix, but the full thing is on Hulu. It's basically about this girl that died. And when you die, like your body, your body, I guess, your soul stays where you died. So like they're in a school. So then she all of a sudden is seeing other people that had died in the school. But they'll be from like the sixties or the seventies. So they're like dressed how they died the day they died. And they're all from like different eras and stuff. And they're all still like trapped in the school and like you can't leave the school grounds, basically.

• 17:00Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 17:01Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a really cool thing.

• 17:02Bunnie XO?

  I would hate to be like, that's terrible.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. And you're just like in the, you're stuck until you finally cross over. You have to like do something to realize how you can cross over and stuff. But it gets like, it gets good. I feel like you would like it.

• 17:16Bunnie XO?

  It's like Groundhog Day.

• 17:17Speaker 04

  I can't tell if I tell something, it's gonna ruin it.

• 17:20Bunnie XO?

  They're stuck in purgatory.

• 17:21Speaker 04

  Basically.

• 17:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Wow.

• 17:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:24Bunnie XO?

  Hell on Earth.

• 17:25Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 17:25Bunnie XO?

  Hell on Earth is what they call it.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 17:28Bunnie XO?

  Maybe. I'll look into it. What about you?

• 17:30Speaker 03

  I watched the Lorax the other day.

• 17:32Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay. All right. Okay, mom.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I did introduce my kids to King of the Hill last night.

• 17:38Bunnie XO?

  Oh, good. Dude, get them watching Family Guy. Roger, if I could be a frickin cartoon character, I am Roger from uh, American Dad.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:49Bunnie XO?

  Get them watching American Dad. I mean, not Family Guy.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  They put like literally episode, season one, episode one, King of the Hill.

• 17:54Speaker 04

  Classic.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  Uh, I think it's Netflix or it's Disney. One of the two. I think it's Disney. And I saw it and I like turned it on and my kids were so, it was really funny. They were like all over the place last night. We're just trying to get them to chill out. Tell me why both my kids chilled the hell out to some King of the Hill.

• 18:10Bunnie XO?

  I mean, I did too, yeah.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  Cash is like shirtless, just.

• 18:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Try American Dad two, please.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:16Bunnie XO?

  Have you ever watched American Dad? Have you ever watched American Dad?

• 18:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've seen every episode.

• 18:21Bunnie XO?

  Am I not Roger?

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Yes. A thousand percent of the little wigs that he

• 18:25Bunnie XO?

  Literally. Every character, like if I could just be, just be like how he is.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:31Bunnie XO?

  Oh, bro.

• 18:32Speaker 03

  Family Guy, I'm, I'm a very adult cartoon person. That's like my thing.

• 18:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  And so the American Dad, the, um, Family Guy, all of that.

• 18:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  Simpsons?

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:44Bunnie XO?

  I never.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  I did.

• 18:46Bunnie XO?

  Jay loves the Simpsons.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  Love the Simpsons.

• 18:48Bunnie XO?

  That's all he used to watch when we first got together. I'd be like, bro, that and Family Guy.

• 18:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember.

• 18:53Speaker 04

  I can't watch Family Guy anymore, so.

• 18:55Bunnie XO?

  I don't, I don't love it either. Like, I, I like it.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Oh, no, I can't watch it for personal reasons.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  Futurama, you guys remember?

• 19:01Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah. Rick and Morty, Futurama, Rick and Morty also, like, oh, I love Rick and Morty.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  I do love Bob's Burgers.

• 19:08Bunnie XO?

  I love Bob's Burgers.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  Such a good one. Oh, Danielle loves it. She swears she's Louise.

• 19:12Speaker 04

  So funny. I can see it.

• 19:14Bunnie XO?

  She's like, I identify as Louise.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  I can see it. Yeah, literally. And they were always like, Danielle, what do you want to do when you get older? I'm like, I want to be an actress or I want to be a stripper. So let's put this in there before, like.

• 19:26Bunnie XO?

  I get it. I, have you heard the intro to my podcast? I literally say, as a child, I just wanted to grow up and be hot.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:34Bunnie XO?

  Like, that's all I, I wanted to, I knew I could make money being hot somehow.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  We all want to be hot.

• 19:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:40Speaker 03

  Like, we all.

• 19:40Bunnie XO?

  It was that, well, we grew up in a generation of Playboy and Penthouse and, you know, Hustler for some people. And it's just like.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  Hustler?

• 19:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. For some people, listen, listen, we can't, we can't yuck anybody's yum. But, you know, Playboy and Penthouse, we grew up in an era where like glamour, like guest models, uh, Victoria's Secret models were like supermodels, not fucking influencers.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  They're not influencers.

• 20:05Bunnie XO?

  Not taking a dig, but I'm just talking, like, it was a completely different time. The Adriana Limas, the Anna Nicole's, the fucking, uh, well, who's the girl from Guns N' Roses? Uh, his ex, Stephanie Seymour. Like, beautiful, right?

• 20:18Speaker 03

  Beautiful.

• 20:18Bunnie XO?

  We were surrounded by nothing but fucking hotness.

• 20:22Speaker 03

  Beautiful, beautiful, sexy, unique looking women.

• 20:26Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Everybody looks the same. Like, we all look the same.

• 20:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. No, I think you're beautiful.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  I think you're beautiful. Tina has to say those things.

• 20:36Bunnie XO?

  Tina, you're just so beautiful.

• 20:40Bunnie XO?

  I can't wait till Tina gets up here.

• 20:42Bunnie XO?

  She's a star.

• 20:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we love Tina.

• 20:45Bunnie XO?

  I fucking love her.

• 20:46Bunnie XO?

  We love Tina.

• 20:47Bunnie XO?

  I mean, so I'm trying to argue with her and then it's like.

• 20:52Bunnie XO?

  So the stripping.

• 20:53Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 20:54Bunnie XO?

  Grew up around beautiful women, watching beautiful women. She's so Bailey. So Bailey, she's so Gemini. I love it. But luckily I have, I speak fluent Gemini, so I get it.

• 21:04Bunnie XO?

  Thank you.

• 21:05Bunnie XO?

  I will reel you back in, baby.

• 21:06Bunnie XO?

  Sorry.

• 21:07Bunnie XO?

  I need that.

• 21:08Bunnie XO?

  I need people to reel me back in because I was like, ah.

• 21:13Bunnie XO?

  I love it though.

• 21:14Bunnie XO?

  So I was working at Burger King when I first got to Philadelphia because Crystal, his sister, was making me work, which obviously you need to work if you're staying up at my house, you're a little kid, you need to work. You need some kind of structure. She couldn't put me to school, whatever. And my manager was doing this little ignorant ass thing. He was

• 21:35Bunnie XO?

  watching me put onion rings in the onion ring box. Wrong. And he had everybody in the back of the kitchen looking at me, doing it wrong. And then when he confronted me, he confronted me in front of everybody. And I was like, no, fuck you. I don't need this bullshit. You should have told me in private. You should have corrected me when you see me do it. And I'm crying and I left and I was like, you know what, Sean, like, I, I think I want to dance. I want to, I want to strip. I was like, oh yeah, I can put you onto the rum keg. Like I know a couple of people, my niece. So he put me onto his niece, went into the strip club and that was it.

• 22:10Bunnie XO?

  So they hired you at 16 or did you lie about your age?

• 22:14Bunnie XO?

  No, I didn't lie about shit.

• 22:16Bunnie XO?

  And they still hired you?

• 22:17Bunnie XO?

  They didn't even ask me my age. Mr. Epsley never asked me. And if, and I know there's.

• 22:23Bunnie XO?

  It's such a different era.

• 22:24Bunnie XO?

  Because there's a lot of people that know about the rum keg in West Philly. And I think we all were at a, some point in time under the age.

• 22:34Bunnie XO?

  Was it totally nude or just topless?

• 22:35Bunnie XO?

  It was, no, it was, you didn't take any of your clothes off.

• 22:38Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 22:39Bunnie XO?

  It was just like five dollar lap dances around the bar.

• 22:41Bunnie XO?

  With clothes on?

• 22:42Bunnie XO?

  With, with your little.

• 22:44Bunnie XO?

  Little like lingerie.

• 22:45Bunnie XO?

  Lingerie.

• 22:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:46Bunnie XO?

  Um, I was, I was infamous for my teddies in sportswear.

• 22:51Bunnie XO?

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• 23:34Bunnie XO?

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• 23:59Speaker 07

  Attention all new and existing members of the W D N C. I'm Melanie Sanders and this is the We Do Not Care Club Podcast. We got to midlife and realized we just simply do not care much anymore. Now we gotta help each other make sense of hot flashes, dry coochie, chin hair, trifling families, brain fog, and bat wings. We are not alone and we will be heard. So come join the W D N C. Follow and listen to the We Do Not Care Club Podcast with Melanie Sanders wherever you get your podcasts.

• 24:29Bunnie XO?

  Cause I know in Vegas, we had our clubs out there that you could be 18, but it was, you had to be totally nude, which made no sense. Yeah. So you could just strip if you were 18, but you had to show your butthole. You know, and but, and then all the 21 and up clubs were topless. So it was so fucking backwards. Yeah, I know. So there it was just, you just wore clothing and you just danced. Yeah. You walk offstage from your last show ever. The lights are off, the fans are gone. You're standing alone in the venue. What's the one thing you regret not doing?

• 25:05Speaker 01

  The one thing I regret not doing.

• 25:08Bunnie XO?

  Like, just in anything, life, career, anything.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  I thought you were talking about the show, because I got it.

• 25:15Bunnie XO?

  That too, or if you want to talk about the show?

• 25:17Speaker 01

  I always talk to Chris Calico and I always said, when I accidentally tell a joke on stage and everybody laughs, it feels so good. I was like, maybe I should write some jokes. I said, I can't fucking do that. You know what I'm saying? I can't B-Tech that and write the joke and I can do it, I can do it the fuck I want to, but I never fucking done it. You know what I'm saying?

• 25:36Bunnie XO?

  I think you could be a comedian.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  And it's like, when I come out on stage, what I love so much is that when they, when I walk out, everybody scream, everybody's smiling at me. It's the best fucking feeling. That's why when you see me rapping like Midwest Choppers and shit, I'm smiling behind the mic, like, because everybody's fucking smiling at me and it's just a beautiful feeling. But when I say something funny in the hole, you hear the crowd, ah. I'm like, that shit is crazy. Now I know Dave Chappelle and Kevin Hart and all these, Cat Williams, all these great people, Bill Burr, you know, I see.

• 26:16Bunnie XO?

  Maybe it's because-

• 26:17Speaker 01

  George Carlin, crazy, you know what I'm saying? It's like, but it's like, Richard Pryor, all of them, I see what they talking about to make people laugh, smiling is great, but to laugh.

• 26:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  As a jelly, if he ever said something on stage and everybody laughed, it's a feeling.

• 26:32Bunnie XO?

  He wants to be a comedian right now. That's all he hangs out with is comedians.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  See what I mean?

• 26:36Bunnie XO?

  But I think it's because you guys have made people cry your entire-

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:40Bunnie XO?

  -careers with how deep your music is.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  What was my music, we specialize in, yes.

• 26:44Bunnie XO?

  That now you're getting a different response and it's kind of like a high for you because it's something new.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  So, if that was my last show and I'm walking out, I'm like, damn, it's over. I never fucking wrote a joke.

• 26:55Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I really love that. But would you ever pursue a career in comedy?

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 27:01Bunnie XO?

  Cause you're a funny motherfucker.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  I write music so well, you know, I'm not that funny, but

• 27:06Bunnie XO?

  You are funny.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  I'm the kind of motherfucker that gets on the elevator and you know, when you get, when you put yourself in a box with strangers, it's weird. That's why everybody looks at the numbers, you know, as they're going down. They just watch that or go on their phone. Because it's weird being in a box with strangers.

• 27:22Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Especially with this stranger, strange music, you know what I'm saying? Cabo. So when I get on the elevator, I'm the kind of motherfucker that get on and say, okay, if I'm on a floor of like five and I was like, I would, I was gonna tell a joke, but by the time I'm done with this long ass joke, we'll be down at floor one. Everybody will still laugh, you know, and the elevator breaks the monotony.

• 27:43Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  I do it all the time.

• 27:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Cause I used to study like Rodney Dangerfield's like, take my wife and everybody would laugh, you know what I'm saying?

• 27:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah. The OGs of the comedy world.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like one liners, you know what I'm saying?

• 27:55Bunnie XO?

  I think you could do it. I think if you put your mind to it, you could actually.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  I'm sure. I could do anything.

• 27:59Bunnie XO?

  Your delivery is so funny.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Mentally, I can do whatever the fuck. I'll break down barriers. I've done it my whole career.

• 28:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  But I never fucking took the time to write some jokes in between my songs like I always said I was gonna do.

• 28:14Bunnie XO?

  Do it. Now you gotta do it. Now you gotta do it. Now they're gonna expect it.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  And then you'll have fans like, I didn't fucking come and pay for a goddamn comedy show to have. It was funny, but fuck that rap motherfucker.

• 28:25Bunnie XO?

  No, I don't think so. I think as long as you're rapping in between the jokes, everybody's gonna have the best of both worlds, you know?

• 28:32Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 28:33Speaker 07

  And so he didn't know that I even existed until he saw some papers about me having been adopted. And that was how he found out that she had had an affair and gotten pregnant.

• 28:47Bunnie XO?

  Oh my goodness.

• 28:48Speaker 07

  Um, so he was like, I gotta tell dad. And I was like, do you think she knew? Like, does she know you've been looking for me? Like, what does she feel about that? Like, can we go ask her? Like, we need to like tell her?

• 29:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like where's mom in this scenario?

• 29:03Speaker 07

  And he informed me that she had passed away about four years before that.

• 29:09Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 29:09Speaker 07

  Um, so I didn't get to meet her. Um.

• 29:14Speaker 07

  And I think that was probably one of the darkest days of my life so far that I've experienced was finding out that she had passed away. So to answer your question about my biological family, it's a long story. But so, yes, my, my bio family did find me, but I've, I've met my birth father and was not able to meet my mom.

• 29:39Bunnie XO?

  Well, I want you to know that your feelings are valid and I can see you pushing them back, you know, and I just want you to know that that was as sad of a story as it is. This is part of your journey and this is what makes you who you are. And I know sometimes we don't understand why things happen to us, but in the long run, you're going to look back and be like, okay, God, I see what you were doing there. Yeah. As hurtful as it is, and I'm so sorry.

• 30:03Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 30:04Bunnie XO?

  It's a, it's a crazy story that I, that I didn't even know. And I appreciate you for sharing that here because that's, that was really a beautiful, you know, testament of who you are.

• 30:15Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 30:16Bunnie XO?

  I couldn't imagine how you felt that day, you know, finding out all of that and then, you know, finding out that you have this whole other family over there. Do they at least embrace you now and do you have a relationship with them now?

• 30:27Speaker 07

  My brother is like one of my favorite people on the planet.

• 30:32Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love it.

• 30:33Speaker 07

  And my little nephews, yeah, he's great. You know, I, when I was like 17 and I reached out to who we thought was my dad and in our conversation, I had mentioned like, so like who, do you dance or do you sing? Like I, you know, I love singing and dancing. This is like my passion. Like, is there anyone that like, where does that come from? And he said, no, no, like, none of us are really like into that. So like, I don't know, you just must have a gift. And finding my bio, my bio brother and my dad.

• 31:08Speaker 07

  They're so musical and my dad was a rapper in the nineties in Atlanta.

• 31:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 31:13Speaker 07

  In a rap boy group.

• 31:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 31:15Speaker 07

  And was doing musical theater. Yeah, I mean, wait, what?

• 31:18Bunnie XO?

  Can we know what group he was in?

• 31:20Speaker 07

  I don't know what it was called, but he says his rap name was Quayo.

• 31:24Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 31:25Speaker 07

  And then he was a man in a little group.

• 31:26Bunnie XO?

  Quavo without the V.

• 31:27Speaker 07

  Exactly. Quayo in the nineties. And my, my brother like shreds on guitar and is like a great singer. Like it was just so funny how meeting my biological family was like.

• 31:39Bunnie XO?

  Just makes sense.

• 31:40Speaker 07

  Yeah, and it, I never had this like an urge to meet the person who I had thought was my dad. But as soon as my brother contacted me, even being my half brother and not knowing he was my full brother, there was just like an indescribable magnetism that I feel like immediately I said, I need to go and meet him. Yeah, yeah, really interesting. And I'd never had that growing up in a family that's not biologically connected is, I'm starting to realize is very different from, from families who grew up together that are biologically connected.

• 32:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's just something you can't explain. I remember the first, I didn't meet my real mother until I was late in my thirties. And when I met her and I saw like her mannerisms and just even down to her anxiety, I was like, how am I so much like you and I've never even been around you? Like it was the craziest thing for me. So I could only imagine how you were feeling. Yeah.

• 32:37Speaker 07

  I think I always too, I always believed in, in nurture versus nature. Just because I didn't have anything else to compare it to. I always thought that my adopted dad is like an angel of a man and I love him so much. He's the sweetest human being and just like an angel of a human being. Um, we don't, literally don't deserve him.

• 33:02Speaker 07

  And I always thought like, I want to be like my dad and I, I, I feel like there's so many things that we have in common and we love the same music and he taught me to like love disco and, and jazz. And I always thought I'm just like him, like there's so much we have in common. And then meeting my brother and my biological father, I'm like, there's no comparison. And when we're on the phone and my, my brother goes, you sound just like mom. Like you sound just like your mom. And it's so interesting, it's so weird and you don't. Don't realize until.

• 33:38Bunnie XO?

  DNA is a motherfucker. It's crazy.

• 33:40Speaker 07

  And I feel crazy when I say it too, cause I'm so amazed by it. Cause of my life. But I'm like, y'all people who been in like full biological families can't even understand how cool that is.

• 33:53Bunnie XO?

  It topped the fucking Family Guy and fucking shit stain.

• 33:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:56Bunnie XO?

  You know?

• 33:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:58Bunnie XO?

  But so now we need you to go out. Now we need you to find a douchebag at Goodnight Nashville.

• 34:06Speaker 04

  My ex.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  He's been posted on, are we dating the same guy Nashville twice now? Three times, actually. No, three. And um, it's different girl saying, I'm talking to this man, N E T, whatever. And people are like, yeah, he has a girlfriend for over a month that he lives with.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Like a picture of him in Goodnight Nashville. It's like as of security.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  Lives with. And so he's talking to multiple girls while he has a girlfriend. While he was texting me and saying he missed me, all this stuff, calling me, his mom missed me, blah, blah, blah. It started stopping. And then I was like, he's talking to someone because I know when you stop talking to me, you're talking to someone else. And I saw him at Goodnight Nashville and one of the managers said, oh yeah, that's his girlfriend across the bar. He walks in, sees me, goes to the other side to his girlfriend. And then comes over to me, doesn't hug me, just sits right next to me. And I was like, hello? And he was just like, hey. And it was just like so weird. I was like, okay, like, it was just awkward.

• 35:14Bunnie XO?

  I'm so thankful to not be single in these times.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  It's rough.

• 35:18Bunnie XO?

  Golly, man, you guys, fuck of the shit you guys have to go through.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  I could never. I'd be so single.

• 35:24Bunnie XO?

  So I, Jay comes and sits outside with the cows with me now. Like that's our new thing where we catch up with each other. And he came and sat down the other day and we were talking about the most situation. And I was like, baby, I love you. I said, but I tell everybody, if you and I don't work out, there's nobody else that I'm gonna be with. Like there's, I just can't. He's like, I would hate to have to learn somebody else's trauma and have to learn how to treat them. I was like, there's no way. I'm like, you got family trauma? Don't give a fuck. Don't tell me. Don't care. Don't care. We're here to have fun, guys. You know, like, I was just telling them, so we looked at each other and then we're like, this is why we just have to stick it out because it's fucking.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  Rough on the streets.

• 36:00Bunnie XO?

  Hot ass. Here for a pimp.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  I saw him again a few nights after and completely ignored.

• 36:06Bunnie XO?

  When the cats and cats run his band.

• 36:08Speaker 04

  I'm waiting to see them pop up or be dating the same guy in Tampa, because I'm on that. To see, I like my friends. Post him. You should post him anonymously to see if any other girls come forward.

• 36:20Bunnie XO?

  Oh my god, in what thread?

• 36:22Speaker 03

  And they're like, are, yeah, the Florida, are we dating the same guy?

• 36:26Bunnie XO?

  Have one in Florida?

• 36:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yes, every state has one.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  Every city town ever.

• 36:31Bunnie XO?

  Are you serious?

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 36:32Bunnie XO?

  Somebody post Jay in there.

• 36:37Bunnie XO?

  Do it.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  I will, I will.

• 36:40Bunnie XO?

  Fake profiles? Just for shits and giggles, though.

• 36:43Speaker 04

  I will.

• 36:43Bunnie XO?

  Just for shits and giggles.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  Anyone know this guy?

• 36:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 36:46Speaker 04

  Been seeing him for a little bit.

• 36:47Bunnie XO?

  People will be like, motherfucker, Bunny will kill whoever. I would love to see the comments on it.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  Do you want me to? Because I will.

• 36:54Bunnie XO?

  Yes, do it. I think it'd be so great. Not because I think anybody's gonna say anything, because I don't, but I just think it would be funny to see the fucking, uh...

• 37:00Speaker 04

  What picture am I gonna use?

• 37:02Speaker 03

  Do you, do you have one that's like not a professional, like just like around the house type?

• 37:05Bunnie XO?

  I have videos. We don't take pictures like that.

• 37:09Speaker 04

  Just Google one?

• 37:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, just Google one.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  Just give it a goog.

• 37:11Bunnie XO?

  Give it a goog, babe. Or take a, take a still off of a video. But yeah, Mo, definitely put him in, in one of those.

• 37:17Speaker 04

  I'm going to.

• 37:18Bunnie XO?

  I'm curious. That's a great idea.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's great. Oh, we gotta update this.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  This is the first picture that pops up, by the way.

• 37:25Bunnie XO?

  What is it?

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Oh, a jelly roll. Got it.

• 37:29Bunnie XO?

  Oh, a real jelly roll.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  Just letting you know that.

• 37:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you have to put, you have to put jelly roll together. It's jelly roll.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not two words.

• 37:36Bunnie XO?

  It's not two words. J roll totem pole. I think the art of writing music is so poetic. Like, it's crazy how songs come about. And like, what is, what would you say that your process is in the studio for writing music? Do you have like a ritual that you perform before?

• 37:52Speaker 04

  I definitely need wine. That's, I need some wine.

• 37:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. It gets the emotions flowing. Gets the juices, the creative juices going.

• 37:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. What's your favorite wine?

• 38:02Speaker 04

  I love Sancerz. Like, I love a good French wine.

• 38:05Bunnie XO?

  Is it white or red?

• 38:08Speaker 04

  It's white, but I like a red when I'm like trying to chill, but.

• 38:12Bunnie XO?

  I don't like red. There's nothing sexy about red wine. Your teeth get gray. Like, I can't do it. You smile.

• 38:18Speaker 04

  Do you like champagne? Do you like champagne?

• 38:19Bunnie XO?

  I do. I used, I saw, you know, I'm sober now.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  I didn't know that.

• 38:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, girl, I've been sober. Thank you. I've been sober since 2017 off pills and cocaine and then 2018 off alcohol.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 38:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. But before, I was a great time. You got to experience that.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Well, congrats. That's, that's hard. It's hard.

• 38:37Bunnie XO?

  It is. It is. Till it's not. And I always tell everybody, you know, sobriety is a beautiful journey, but you gotta really get real with yourself. All the shit that you've numbed and masked with alcohol, pills, drugs, all that. When you don't have anything in your system, that shit hits you full force.

• 38:54Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 38:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  Absolutely. I mean, I try to take time off here and there from drinking. Sometimes it gets, here's the thing too, is like, it's everywhere. You know, when you're touring, when, you know, free, free, free, you know, and, um, and then getting on stage, you're like, I need something. I need something before I, so that's a hard thing to kind of deal with.

• 39:17Bunnie XO?

  But that's your process and when you're ready to, and sobriety isn't for everybody.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Right.

• 39:22Bunnie XO?

  You know, like, so, so I feel like as long as you're not killing yourself and like disrupting your everyday life with it, I think that, you know.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  That's amazing. Congrats. That's.

• 39:33Bunnie XO?

  Let's circle back though. I heard you say that your father was bipolar.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  He was.

• 39:37Bunnie XO?

  What was your relationship with your parents like?

• 39:40Speaker 04

  My relationship with my dad was not good. It had never been good. Um, he, you know, I was two years old, so I don't remember this, but he had a nervous breakdown when I was two years old, before he was diagnosed as bipolar. And, you know, from what my mom has told me and my older brother can remember, it was, it was a really bad time. He was very, very manic.

• 40:01Speaker 05

  Um, and had some very intense episodes. Um, and he was hospitalized for a number of weeks. So there's an attachment break right there, right? Like as a two-year-old and key attachment years are really from zero to five. And so there was this big stressor in my family where he was hospitalized for a number of weeks. And my mom was just trying to, you know, work part-time dental hygiene and take care of these two kids. And we really didn't have very much money. And, um, I think when he came home, he was very heavily medicated. And he was then heavily medicated for many, many, many things throughout his life. And so he was not a very functional person. He wasn't really able to hold a job or keep a job. And that was a lot of instability in my childhood.

• 40:46Speaker 05

  And I think I had a lot of anger and resentment over kind of like, why can't you get it together? To provide for the family because you just never knew, you know? You never knew when you were going to get off the bus and come home and dad lost another job, right? Or, you know, well, and you have to quit dance lessons or you have to, you know, we, we gotta sell stuff or we gotta do whatever. So there was a lot of financial instability. And then there was just, he brought a lot of emotional instability.

• 41:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 05

  Um, my mom is who I would classify in attachment as more of a dismissive avoidant. So she was more of like stoic, emotionally unavailable. Um, but very, very loving, very, um, would do any acts of service, right? She was, she was always around, very instrumentally supportive, but she didn't really know how to navigate the distress and the emotions of my dad's nervous breakdown and, and how to explain it to us or how to deal with it. And so my mom's just kind of like a push-through, soldier-through type of person. And my dad was very opposite. It was very, you know, he could be okay. You could walk in the room and it was, hi, how are you doing? How was your day? Everything's good. Or, you know, you left your shoes out and I tripped over them. So I chucked them out into the yard and I'm going to scream at you, right?

• 41:58Speaker 05

  Or, um, it was very hard to have friends over because I was always really embarrassed because I never knew if my dad was going to lose his temper or.

• 42:06Bunnie XO?

  Had to walk on eggshells.

• 42:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was very much a walk on eggshells type of situation. And just looking back into my childhood, I think every girl wants to have like the superhero dad. The dad that has it together, the dad that is, can be relied upon.

• 42:22Speaker 07

  Dad that's gonna cuddle you and say, you're the prettiest, most wonderful little princess and I'll always protect you.

• 42:29Bunnie XO?

  Well, they're our first loves.

• 42:30Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:30Bunnie XO?

  They really are.

• 42:31Speaker 07

  And I just didn't have that. You know, I just had a dad that I saw made my mom so miserable.

• 42:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 42:37Speaker 07

  Brought so much instability to our family. And I had a lot of anger for so many years and it wasn't until he passed away two years ago, it wasn't until really I saw him on his deathbed that just, I had forgiven him, but I had to see him at that weak point. Bless you.

• 42:56Bunnie XO?

  Sorry.

• 42:56Speaker 07

  No, you're fine. Um, I had to see him at that weak point, you know, on his deathbed to really say, okay, I can let it go. You know, I can let that go because my childhood, there were so many great things about it, you know, I was loved and um, I had my basic needs met and there are so many people that had it much worse than I did.

• 43:16Bunnie XO?

  I say the same thing, but that your feelings are still valid and you know, your, your, your story is your story. So what's super traumatic to somebody else might not be as traumatic to another person, but that doesn't mean that you weren't traumatized. Have you ever felt, and you know, people are knowing who you are, they're knowing your name. Have you ever felt trapped inside the image of Flava Flav? Like it's not you, or do you feel like Flava Flav is true to who you are as?

• 43:42Speaker 02

  I never got, I never felt like I got trapped in the image of him at all because it's, it's an image that I created. And Flava Flav is a street character based off of my real street life.

• 43:54Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  So I never, and, and, and this, and this, and this is a character that I brought to life. But I never really got trapped inside of him because I always knew who I was deep down inside and I'm the one that created that character.

• 44:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. Yep. Yeah. So being in the music industry, you're around a lot of people who are shady. Have you ever encountered like some really big snakes in the music industry? And if so, can you name who they are?

• 44:26Speaker 02

  I've crossed, I've crossed some and I've seen some, but one thing about Flava Flav,

• 44:33Speaker 02

  if you guys.

• 44:33Speaker 07

  Would know about me. I never have nothing real negative to say about anyone, you know what I'm saying?

• 44:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:43Speaker 07

  I mind my business. I always mind my business and everyone else minds mine.

• 44:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 07

  Like that, you know what I'm saying? So you'll never really hear me talking negative about anybody or, you know what I'm saying? All of the negative people that I've crossed, all of the negativity that I've ever seen, I never spoke about, I always kept to myself, you know what I'm saying? And the whole nine.

• 45:11Bunnie XO?

  It's very G of you.

• 45:12Speaker 07

  And if anybody ever talked bad about me, that was their choice, but I never talked bad about anybody. I'm not.

• 45:18Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 45:19Speaker 07

  So, so, yeah, but I witnessed some stuff. I witnessed a lot of shady people.

• 45:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:24Speaker 07

  And I've witnessed a lot of shady things.

• 45:26Bunnie XO?

  So after Nations of, Nation of Millions went crazy, berserk, you guys shot a video where people were, were really getting high in the video. How did you guys manage to pull this off?

• 45:39Speaker 07

  Wait, which one was that?

• 45:40Bunnie XO?

  There's a video, um, it's in my notes that after Nations of, it's on, it's a song from Nations of Millions, um, album that you guys shot the video and there was people that were really getting high in the video.

• 45:52Speaker 07

  Oh, Night of the Living Baseheads.

• 45:54Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 45:55Speaker 07

  Yes, because back in the days, when people, when people would smoke crack, they would call that basing. Everybody was basing.

• 46:02Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 46:02Speaker 07

  You know what I'm saying? So everybody, everybody that used crack and drugs was, was called the basehead. You know what I'm saying? So.

• 46:10Bunnie XO?

  How did you guys manage to pull that off?

• 46:11Speaker 07

  So, so, so there were people that was really actually getting high in the video. And the reason why was because we were trying to create the look of reality. You know what I'm saying? And the whole nine. And back in those days, we could do that and get away with it. Today.

• 46:27Bunnie XO?

  Never, you could never.

• 46:28Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:29Bunnie XO?

  Public Enemy is known to be like, you know, so political and so like, um, anti drugs, anti a lot of things, but you were using drugs during the height of their career. How did that affect your relationship with the members of the group? But also how did they keep it under wraps or like, how did they not manage to get in, you know, get in some sort of scandal with that?

• 46:54Speaker 07

  Well, see, let me say this, Bunny. That's what made up Public Enemy. You know what I'm saying? The opposites attracting. You heard opposites attract.

• 47:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:04Speaker 07

  You know what I'm saying? So Chuck D, the S one W's, Professor Griffin, all of them, they were in that political stage. You know what I'm saying? Uh, not, no, no drugs, no alcohol, no fornication and all of that stuff supposedly. You know what I'm saying, the whole nine, but yet I was the only one in the group that was using drugs. You know what I'm saying? That was out there in the streets, doing street things and everything, you know? So, so that combination is what made pub, what, what made up Public Enemy. You know what I'm saying? How did it affect the, the relationship with me and the members of my group?

• 47:48Speaker 07

  It was not a good relationship at all. You know what I'm saying? Because all of them were mostly, they were against me.

• 47:56Bunnie XO?

  Did they try to help you though? Did they try to help you get help?

• 47:59Speaker 07

  Not at all. Not at all. They didn't try to help me at all. You know what I'm saying? Uh, we just lived going, go, going ahead, going head to head against each other. You know what I'm saying? And the whole nine, um, um, um, even though, I just want to say, even, even though they, they did betray that type of life, you know what I'm saying? But not everyone lived it.

• 48:26Bunnie XO?

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• 49:08Bunnie XO?

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• 49:26Bunnie XO?

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• 50:03Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 50:03Bunnie XO?

  Body looking fucking snatched, baby. You looked so good. And then you had all these fucking hot dudes lifting you up and like you're singing. Take me on this journey of your Coachella performance and actually getting invited to perform at Coachella.

• 50:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, dude, it's definitely been like one of my favorite moments in my career. I, I went through that entire weekend, both weekends, just feeling so like grateful. My mom was there, my little brother was there. And I think something about having the people that I love the most, being there just made it so, I don't know, I felt very connected to my inner child.

• 50:37Speaker 05

  But I was also so fucking nervous. It was my first time like doing choreography and I did like cheer stunts on stage, which is something I've always wanted to do.

• 50:45Speaker 05

  But I don't know, it was incredible experience. One of my favorites like moments for sure.

• 50:50Bunnie XO?

  It looked really cool. How much practice had to go into that? Or is that just, are you just naturally, because I, I know you did cheer, right? So is that like something that comes easy for you? Because my big ass could never get up there and have people lifting me up like that. There's no fucking way.

• 51:03Speaker 05

  Wait, have you ever done stunts?

• 51:05Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 51:05Speaker 05

  They're so fun.

• 51:06Bunnie XO?

  Built for stunts?

• 51:07Speaker 05

  I feel like you could do stunts.

• 51:09Bunnie XO?

  No way. You're tiny. You're like a tiny cute little package. There's no way they're flinging my big ass around, okay?

• 51:14Speaker 05

  I'm gonna get you to do it one day.

• 51:15Bunnie XO?

  They're gonna need some big ass buff dudes to fucking handle all this, alright?

• 51:20Bunnie XO?

  So was there a lot of practice that had to go into that?

• 51:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was, it's definitely, definitely doesn't come natural to me. I like, it takes a lot of preparation. I think we did rehearsals for about a week and a half, maybe?

• 51:32Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing though, to be able to, like, I wouldn't be able to do that. I'm not, I can't even do a TikTok dance. So to learn something that you have to sing and do on stage in a week and a half, that's pretty fucking good.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  It was definitely really nerve wracking. I, there was a point like mid week. When I was learning all the choreography. And it was my first time also having dancers. So I was like nervous to like. Learn how to dance in front of people who could dance really well.

• 51:57Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 51:57Speaker 05

  I was like really anxious about the whole thing. Something about like dancing on stage makes me so, I was so like in my head about it. Um, so that was hard. And about halfway through the week of rehearsals, I was like. Holy shit, I'm like not gonna remember this. So I went home and started like just drilling it, but. It was definitely harder than I expected it was going to be.

• 52:15Bunnie XO?

  Well, you crushed it and I thought you looked so good.

• 52:18Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 52:18Bunnie XO?

  I was rooting for you. I saw all the videos. I was like, go Jesse.

• 52:20Speaker 05

  Oh, thanks, Bunny.

• 52:21Bunnie XO?

  And then you got to bring Ko out, which I thought was really cool. Tell me about you and Ko's friendship.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  Ah dude, I love Ko. He's like a brother to me. I. I've been a fan of his like for a long time. My brother listened to him a lot growing up. Um, so he put me on and we like worked like. Two, maybe three years before High Road actually came out, I think.

• 52:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:41Speaker 05

  Um, so we were just kind of homies and then High Road came around and. We did that together, but. It was really funny. He came out for Coachella and something. Something happened in our system during the song. And the key changed randomly when he like started in the chorus.

• 52:58Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 52:59Speaker 05

  I felt so bad because he was just singing like normally and then the key changed. So it looked crazy. And then. I, people couldn't see on the live stream, but when I came out with him for Stagecoach, um, my mic was off. So we were just cursed, like the song just kept being fucked up. And then we did it at Billy Bob's and it was, it was fun.

• 53:17Bunnie XO?

  I feel like you guys have such lore that comes with that song because I even fucking was like. I, when you, when that song dropped with your verse, first of all, it was great.

• 53:26Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 53:26Bunnie XO?

  And I mean, you know, it's great. And it's like all these fucking co-haters are literally coming out of the woodworks, just talking shit to you. And I'm like. Bro, it pissed me off so bad that I finally just made a video. I was like, I'm gonna fucking beat all of you up.

• 53:40Speaker 05

  Sweet. I really appreciate that.

• 53:41Bunnie XO?

  You don't need to thank me for that, but I just, I don't like any sort of bullying, especially ganging up. You're a baby. You know what I'm saying? I know you're 20 and you know, you can hold your own and stuff like that, but I still look at you and I'm just like. Grown ass women, you know, are like picking on you.

• 53:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:54Bunnie XO?

  It's like, that's not fucking okay. How did that make you feel whenever you were going through all of that? Did you internalize any of that? Or were you able to just kind of like. Separate church from state?

• 54:05Speaker 05

  I think it, it always makes me upset at first when something like that happens. That's like a human response, I think. But then it's like, I like fuck you, dude. It's just so annoying and it's like. I don't know. It does bother. Bother me the most when it's women. It really does. I don't know why.

• 54:20Bunnie XO?

  Women on women crime is fucked. I don't understand it.

• 54:22Speaker 05

  It hurts so much more. Um, but yeah, it does hurt my feelings and I don't know. The guy thing, it's like, you're just a dick. But yeah, when it's a woman, it's like, damn. But I don't know.

• 54:34Bunnie XO?

  Now and down well, if any of these men got a chance to meet you, they wouldn't even know what to say to you.

• 54:38Speaker 05

  It's so crazy. I'm like, why are you, why are you being such a bitch? And it's just, it's really tough, you know, and I don't know, because you can't respond to everybody. And once you respond to somebody, then, then other people do it just so they get a response. But that was like my first time dealing with like that type of situation.

• 54:57Bunnie XO?

  Cause it was so much.

• 54:58Speaker 05

  It was so much. It was like a trend. Cause once it like blows up on somebody's page and they're like, fuck yeah, this is the move. But I don't know. When it's about a song, it's not as bad when it's about like your own person.

• 55:08Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 55:08Speaker 05

  Like when somebody is making fun of like you as a person, that's different. That definitely is harder to deal with.

• 55:13Bunnie XO?

  I love it. So how do you get, how do you go to school, medical school in Panama? How does that happen?

• 55:20Speaker 07

  Well, it wasn't easy.

• 55:21Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 55:21Speaker 07

  It wasn't easy. Um, I remember I was a little bit lost. So, so it was, there was a a big event, uh, that happened my senior year in college and just didn't have the money to, to re-enroll. And I was kind of rolling around, what am I gonna do? I'm never gonna get this done. This is gonna be horrible. I did that, uh, for a while, just trying to find my way. I audited classes while I took the MCATs and I just kept spinning my wheels. Um,

• 55:54Speaker 07

  but somebody I met in Miami when I was twenty one years old, which by the way, is a whole nother story.

• 56:00Bunnie XO?

  Oh yeah. Miami back in the days was lit, dude.

• 56:03Speaker 07

  Oh my God, it was lit. So good. Um, somebody in Miami said, why don't you just go to medical school in Panama? And I said, what? Okay. So I found the number, I called and I said, how much does it cost to go to medical school? And they said nineteen dollars. A what? $19 a semester. Seriously? Can I, like, can it, where do I apply? Sign me up. So,

• 56:26Bunnie XO?

  Is it the same type of medical school that you would have in the US?

• 56:30Speaker 07

  It's a little bit harder.

• 56:31Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 56:32Speaker 07

  Yes. So it's six years instead of four years.

• 56:35Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 56:35Speaker 07

  And, um, and 2,500 people, at least the year that I applied, 2,500 people took the psychological aptitude test. And if you pass that, then you could take the, uh, the entrance exam. So 2,500 people applied, 130 people got in and 30 of us graduated. So it's no frickin joke. But I, I applied, I applied, I got in, I moved to Panama and I lived with a friend. And of course, everybody said, it's not going to work. You're not going to be able to do it. It's, uh, it's, um, you're wasting your time going there. But I knew that that's what I had

• 57:20Speaker 07

  to do and nothing, nothing, this distracted me for sure, but nothing could take that. It wasn't okay to do anything else.

• 57:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. It was just etched in your soul.

• 57:33Speaker 07

  Etched in my soul.

• 57:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 57:35Speaker 07

  Um, so I lived wherever I had to live.

• 57:39Bunnie XO?

  Yes. Survival mode.

• 57:41Speaker 07

  Survival mode for six years and, um, and, uh, and, and finished.

• 57:48Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 57:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 57:49Bunnie XO?

  So all six years, just

• 57:51Speaker 07

  Trying to make it.

• 57:52Bunnie XO?

  grueling. And then you finally graduate.

• 57:55Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 57:55Bunnie XO?

  What happens after you graduate? Do you just instantly get into a practice? Cause I heard you say that you were going to get paid by mangoes?

• 58:02Speaker 07

  That's what I wanted.

• 58:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 58:03Speaker 07

  That's what mangoes and chickens. Yeah.

• 58:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 58:05Speaker 07

  Um, so

• 58:06Bunnie XO?

  I love that. You're like, I'm a doctor, just pay me a mangoes and chicken.

• 58:09Speaker 07

  Green beans and mangoes.

• 58:10Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 58:11Speaker 07

  Yeah. Not the green ones. The, the space between my first and second semester of the last year of medical school, I came to visit my mother here and I met the man who would be my husband. And

• 58:29Bunnie XO?

  Is your family from Panama?

• 58:31Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 58:31Bunnie XO?

  And then your mom moved here?

• 58:32Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 58:33Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 58:33Speaker 07

  Yes. Uh, my father is still there. I have siblings there, uh, aunts and uncles. Um, I have a brother and, and sister here. Um, but

• 58:43Speaker 07

  It was, it was love and um, he tried living there, didn't work. We moved back and um, that lasted 11 years.

• 58:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 58:55Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, it's great.

• 58:57Bunnie XO?

  No, I love that. 11 years is a good run, man.

• 58:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:00Bunnie XO?

  It's a good run.

• 59:01Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 59:01Bunnie XO?

  So was he a doctor too?

• 59:03Speaker 07

  No.

• 59:04Bunnie XO?

  No, okay. So you moved to the US. What was it like doing medicine in Panama and then coming here to do medicine? Was it kind of like a culture shock a little bit?

• 59:12Speaker 07

  It was a little bit of a culture shock. Um, I was amazed at how much sooner things get taken care of here. So by the time a patient comes to the doctor in Panama, it is super far gone. So

• 59:27Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 59:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, breast cancers were, yeah, were super advanced. It's, it's just not a culture where, where self-care

• 59:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 59:38Speaker 07

  Um, is a priority, maybe because there's just not that, um, not the, not the availability, not the money. I worked at the, at the public hospital, so it was, it was pretty rough. Um, so when I came here, I thought, girl, that's nothing.

• 59:53Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 59:54Speaker 07

  Yeah. Seen so many towns, yeah. So, but we also had stuff that, that you don't see here, right? So pancreatitis here is usually from alcohol use and pancreatitis there is from a scorpion bite. So, yeah, so I was always just a little off on my, on my diagnostic skills and we couldn't

• 1:00:14Bunnie XO?

  You're like, you've been bit by a scorpion.

• 1:00:16Speaker 07

  Right, exactly. Uh, exactly. And yeah, I was off for about six months until I, until I caught on that we had changed latitudes. Um, that, yeah, the, the tropical diseases that didn't exist here, that was a, that was a switch. And parasites are, are so, so common there, not so common here.

• 1:00:37Speaker 07

  Um, just big differences like that. But in a third world country, in a, in a, a system where medicine is taught clinically, you have to put your hands on the patient, listen, feel, percuss, you have to figure out what's going on before you order any imaging. So that was incredibly valuable. That was really cool to bring with me.

• 1:01:06Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:01:06Speaker 07

  Yeah. Before we could order an x-ray, you had to know how high up the fluid was in what lung.

• 1:01:12Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:01:12Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:01:13Bunnie XO?

  So that just made you like precision sharp whenever you got here.

• 1:01:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Cause you just knew what to look for.

• 1:01:19Speaker 07

  Yeah. That helps a lot.

• 1:01:20Bunnie XO?

  So.

• 1:01:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:01:22Bunnie XO?

  Um, take me on this journey of starting your own practice because you said that you worked at St. Thomas, which is actually a great hospital.

• 1:01:29Speaker 07

  Super good.

• 1:01:30Bunnie XO?

  Anytime I had like heart problems or anything like that, I would always go to St. Thomas and they always did such a great. When I, they misdiagnosed me with a fricking brain aneurysm last year.

• 1:01:38Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:01:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. It was wild. St. Thomas is actually, aren't they the ones who the, the, the, what is it called vascular surgeon there was like, you do not have a brain aneurysm. And then I got a second opinion too. And he was like, you do not have a brain aneurysm. And I was just like, oh my God, thank you. But yeah, St. Thomas is like a prestigious hospital. And what did you do there? So were you like emergency medicine?

• 1:02:00Speaker 07

  So I, when I came from Panama, so even if you've done a residency in another country, you have to do another one here.

• 1:02:08Bunnie XO?

  Yikes.

• 1:02:09Speaker 07

  So when I came from Panama, uh, uh, I applied to several residencies and, um, and, and the one at Baptist, it used to be Baptist St. Thomas was the, was the best fit for me. So I did a residency there and residencies are generally July 1st through June 30th. At the end of my residency year, I didn't feel like I knew enough. So I did a chief residency year. And, um, and by the time that year was over, on June 30th was my last day as chief. July 1st at nine o'clock, I was in the office.

• 1:02:45Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:02:45Speaker 07

  Ready to see a patient.

• 1:02:47Bunnie XO?

  So during a residency, you can't have patients or you're under somebody?

• 1:02:52Speaker 07

  You're under somebody. So it's the residency, the clinic with the residents. But once you go from being a resident to being an attending, you get paid three or four times more.

• 1:03:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:04Speaker 07

  And

• 1:03:05Bunnie XO?

  Not mangoes and chicken.

• 1:03:06Speaker 07

  All you. That's right. That's a lot of freaking mangoes. Yeah, that's a lot. You get a lot more mangoes. But it's all you. It's all you can't turn around and go, what do you think this is? So it's all you and I could not wait. So, yeah.

• 1:03:22Bunnie XO?

  I love the tenacity that you have.

• 1:03:24Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah. It always had to happen, Bunny. Like, it always had to happen. There was no,

• 1:03:32Speaker 07

  there was no compromising. It just had to happen.

• 1:03:35Bunnie XO?

  I love that. Yeah. So when you finally get to see your first patient, what's the diagnosis? What happened?

• 1:03:40Speaker 07

  Listen, I still, like, I feel like if I could look that chart up and apologize to him.

• 1:03:48Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 1:03:49Speaker 07

  This is a horrible story. I don't think I should say it.

• 1:03:52Bunnie XO?

  We can always cut it if you want to.

• 1:03:53Speaker 07

  Okay, listen.

• 1:03:54Bunnie XO?

  Because you gotta tell it now.

• 1:03:55Speaker 07

  Okay, I gotta tell it. Okay, so internist, so internal medicine is everything you can't cut out, right? So blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid, anything you can't cut out is what I take care of. So most of my patients are either high blood pressure, diabetes, or thyroid.

• 1:04:14Speaker 07

  On the first day of my, of my first gig,

• 1:04:21Speaker 07

  I was seeing other doctors' patients that were being put on my schedule just overflow.

• 1:04:26Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:04:26Speaker 07

  While I built up my clinic. Notoriously, internists are horrible at rashes.

• 1:04:33Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:04:34Speaker 07

  Yeah, horrible at rashes. So the very first patient, bless his sweet soul,

• 1:04:40Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 1:04:40Speaker 07

  was a rash.

• 1:04:42Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:04:43Speaker 07

  And where's the rash? Right. My very first patient with his sweet wife.

• 1:04:50Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 1:04:50Speaker 07

  Came for help with a rash on his, on his glands.

• 1:04:57Speaker 07

  And

• 1:04:59Speaker 07

  His what?

• 1:05:00Bunnie XO?

  His glands?

• 1:05:01Speaker 07

  It's the, you know, the, his penis.

• 1:05:04Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:05:04Speaker 07

  His penis.

• 1:05:04Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha. I didn't know, I thought it was butthole. I instantly went for, I instantly went for butthole.

• 1:05:10Speaker 07

  No, I wish it was the butthole. It would have felt better, like with him facing the other way. You know?

• 1:05:15Bunnie XO?

  I don't gotta look you in the eye, buddy.

• 1:05:17Speaker 07

  I know that he could see it in my face when I went,

• 1:05:21Speaker 07

  ah, uh. Yeah. And today I have the maturity to say, eh? I don't know. But that day, uh, I just, um.

• 1:05:37Bunnie XO?

  Where does the rock influence come from? Cause you guys, for being country, you guys have a pretty rocker sound also.

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  A lot to do with where we grew up. Like I grew up listening, cause I grew up, guitar became my favorite thing in the world when I was like 12.

• 1:05:51Bunnie XO?

  Who taught you the guitar?

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Um, my dad, our dad taught me some chords. My cousin Johnny taught me how to solo. Or my uncle Bill taught me a little bit. It was a bit of everyone. They wouldn't let me sit down with the family and sit around the table unless I would practice. And I was good enough to hold my own. So if there's a, if you want to get me to do anything, just tell me that I can't and I'm gonna fucking do it. So I would just sat in the other room, practicing, practicing, practicing.

• 1:06:14Bunnie XO?

  You can't paint my house.

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  Damn it. And, um, yeah, I do a lot of things out of spite mostly, but anyway, so I did that. But I was obsessed with like guitar and rock music is just like go hand in hand. And we grew up listening to the country. I rebelled against that a bit because it was like what our whole family listened to in my early teenage years. I was like, love Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots, like.

• 1:06:38Bunnie XO?

  That was an iconic time. My first concert was Stone Temple Pilots.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  Oh my god, I fucking love Stone Temple Pilots.

• 1:06:45Bunnie XO?

  There hasn't really been anything quite like it since. Ever. It was just a complete change. Why do you think that is? That we can't recapture that sound?

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  I, because.

• 1:06:52Bunnie XO?

  Because now you have to be on TikTok to be famous.

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  Well, I also think too, because back then, there was a, there was a lot of counterculture going on, like the. produced obviously some great pop rock music that we all know and love. But there was this counter revolution to that where it became these bands out of like California all the way, which is where SDP is from, all the way up to like where Pearl Jam and Nirvana all the way up on the far west coast. And they wanted to be the anti that. So it became less about the spandex and the big loud pop songs. And it became about like the grit and the grunge. And I feel like things have kind of become so, for lack of a better word, a lot more pop in the rock world. And it never has really cured itself again of that to get back to where it once was.

• 1:07:41Speaker 03

  But it was a really pure era. I mean, every band. I mean, you definitely see that happen a little in country music now for sure. See it now in country more than ever. Things got super, super polished and slick. And now people are really appreciating things that are raw and real. And you know, like your, your husband, for instance, you know, someone that is just themselves. Yeah, unique. It's like being unique should be rewarded, you know? And it finally is, I think in country music, everyone's wanting each artist to be really special in themselves. And I think that's great. That's when music's at its healthiest.

• 1:08:09Bunnie XO?

  I feel like you guys are kind of the trailblazers for being unique because.

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  Some like maybe, yeah, I don't know.

• 1:08:14Bunnie XO?

  I know, I definitely feel like that because you know, you guys came in on the scene and you guys were just, did you, okay, so you, you guys came in on the scene and you guys were like, you know, pretty like rock country. And like you guys were still finding your sound. Did you feel like whenever you guys came on the scene, that you guys had to kind of tone it down a little bit whenever you came into country?

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  No, I mean, it's weird. I mean, I guess, you know, if you were to circle all the way back to just like, again, being from Maryland, I feel like we just always have kind of been in this space of like Maryland, it's not really the north. It's not really the south. Like, you know, it's just what is it? No one seems to really claim it.

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  And so, you know, I feel like it was kind of that way with us musically. I mean, we grew up there. I didn't really honestly know what genres were for a really long time in my life. I just knew the music I liked and I didn't like. And predominantly what I was influenced by and what inspired me were, were, was country music and, and rock, like particularly classic stuff. And so, you know, as we came down here, we just started doing our own thing. But I felt like for the longest time, like I, you know, was getting hired in town before we met a bit as a demo singer. And then people stopped hiring me because they're like, oh, you don't sound like anybody else. Like you don't, we're trying to pitch this song to Blake Shelton and you don't sound like him. So, and then I was really irritated with myself, honestly, I felt like, God, I don't have the chops to be able to

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  get make money as a, as a demo singer to pitch songs to people. Um, and then it's something at some point in time kind of flipped in me and I realized like, well, you know, I'm just want to start singing my own music. Um, and then it started, there was like a moment even still, once we had a record deal and we're out working our music out at radio, there was, um, a lot of times because we are, we sounded unfamiliar, our songs wouldn't test. And so then again, we were kind of in the same boat of like, well, we like you guys, but you, we didn't sound like all the people that were hitting really hard and familiar, like Luke Bryan's and, and all these people. And so, but again, it was like, do we want to follow kind of what everyone's doing and already winning with?

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Um, you know, as our, our manager, you know, was like, you know, it's like the best, if, if you're not first, the best you can be a second. And so we really were like, you know, we just really focused on what it is we're doing. And I think, you know, I've been thinking a lot about this recently because there's like so much like turmoil and like what country music is, that's not country, this is country, or that's cool, this isn't cool. And it's annoying to me for the main reason of it's not what music is for. Like it's just, it's not what it's about. And it's almost had a, been a great reminder for me to be like, man, people want to just listen to music to like party, or if they want to cry, or if they just want to feel nostalgic, you know, or whatever. No one's thinking, man, I'm going to listen to this because this is going to make me cool as shit.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  Or I'm going to listen to this because now I'm a country person now. It's like, it's just totally not important. And so I feel like for us, it was like focusing on what, you know, what is it that we like and our fans like and finding those people. And it's taken us a really, really, really long time to do it. And God, I felt like we just have been passed so many times by other new artists. And we've just been kind of in our lane, just doing our thing.

• 1:11:25Bunnie XO?

  I feel like slow and steady wins the race though.

• 1:11:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I don't know if we, you know, we certainly, you know, aren't the, the biggest artists that it, that's ever happened in this business, but we're still here and we've been doing it for a while and I don't foresee us.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  Going away anytime soon, and I really attribute attribute that to going out and making real fans that did like what we were doing because it was different. And so, yeah, that's still still kind of our mantra and our goal and our inspiration with all of it.

• 1:11:53Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. I think that's exactly what you have to do because, you know, like I just said, Sloan said he wins the race because you're building that core fan base of diehards who are really ride with you. And that's so much more special than these people who'd kind of like make it overnight because their fans don't really know them. So whereas your fans just consume everything and love you guys for the people that you are as well as your music.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Totally. And, you know, and then you feel a sense of like being loyal back to them. Because, you know, you were here the whole time. Like, I don't want to switch this up when you were in the 11th hour. Like, you know, this is any person I don't want to let down. It's the fan that started with us from the bottom, who finally, once we started having success, was able to be like, I told you, like, these were my guys.

• 1:12:35Bunnie XO?

  I believed in you.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. And there's a sense of pride there. And we want to do good by those people, you know, particularly them. And then also our family, everyone that was just, you know, there when we were weren't shit.

• 1:12:45Bunnie XO?

  So I want to circle back to 2022, after you came out, the silver lining was you guys did your song Younger Me, and you guys won a Grammy for that?

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:58Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. That is an accomplishment. Because some people go through their whole music careers without winning a Grammy.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  I know. And it was, we had, you know, we had had the wonderful privilege of being nominated quite a few times. And in fact, I always joke that it somehow, I think the the amount of times we lost is more impressive than the one time we won. But I, you know, we, it was really, I felt like serendipitous because that song, it was kind of like, you know, a lot of times you're writing songs, you're thinking about like, okay, where are we going to play this? Like, are the fans going to like it? People can sing along here? Is it going to work on radio? Is it gonna? And that song was just solely like, this is something that I need to say. And it kind of came out of nowhere. And John felt like in his setting that it was also applies to him. And, you know, and for those of you

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  who do not know, it's something on Younger Me. It's like, if you could talk to your younger self, like, I think all of us feel this way. Like, oh, my God, you know, like the the heartbreak and how hard you are on yourself and.

• 1:13:59Bunnie XO?

  And just to be able to look back and be like, man, like you're gonna make it and you're gonna like how you turn out. Like you're, everything's gonna be great, you know, like if I could just go back there and talk to my younger self, it'd be amazing. Yeah. Um, and that's kind of what the song, the inspiration for that song was. Um, and we had just released because I, when I did come out, I didn't want it to be around any promotion. I'm like, I don't want this to be opportunistic. Like I don't want to be a record. I don't want to be a tour. But there's always, I mean, amazingly, there's always shit going on in our lives. Yeah. So we had just released a record and I was like, okay, then that, that came out. So then I was like, well, I want this song to be out. I don't want to wait for the next record that might be years from now. Cause I probably won't want to say this then. And so we re-released um, our Skeletons album with that song on it.

• 1:14:42Bunnie XO?

  Um, and while it wasn't a song that we like worked for radio or wasn't this hit or like this thing that made us probably really any money necessarily. I don't, probably a little. Um, it was just the, I think the impact um, spiritually or emotionally. And the connection to the fans and it felt really like, this is just like a little nugget of, of reality here. You know, just some real shit. And um, and it felt very serendipitous at that moment because I had been to the Grammys at this point. Probably, I don't know, maybe this might be my, at that time, maybe 10th year going or close to it. Wow. And I'd never once brought a date to the Grammys.

• 1:15:27Bunnie XO?

  And so it was, I mean, you can, you can look up me giving my speech. I'm an emotional mess. I'm crying as I'm like, I'm at this award show, accepting my first Grammy award for a song that was inspired by me coming out. And it's the first time I've ever brought a date to the Grammy Awards. I got goosebumps. It was, yeah, it was, it, it fucked me up. I was like, you know, and then I'm there with my brother. And it felt like, we were like, you know, there's a picture and it's like, we had our arms around each other, walking down the aisle to get on stage. And I just see like eight year olds, John and TJ, just like little boys going up there. And it was like, there were so many things I was like, oh my God.

• 1:16:04Speaker 07

  We did it, you know, but also doing it for something that was important and not for the money, you know? And it was, it just was, it was perfect. And I was, yeah, emotional to a mess.

• 1:16:16Bunnie XO?

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• 1:18:27Bunnie XO?

  you had rituals and you had a fear of contamination. I was like, I could, I relate to that so much. Like if I open a water bottle and I take my eyes off of it, I have to have a whole new water bottle. I do that one. Do you? Is that contamination OCD also? Well, I think it's the fear of germs. Yeah, well, mine's drug related. Or getting poisoned. Right. Right? Or drugged, yes. Mm-hmm, drugged, yeah. Cause that does happen. No, it's happens all the time and you can't, I just don't trust people. I don't either. Where do you think your OCD in childhood came from? Because that's, you know, normally that stems from some sort of, something that has happened. Uh, you know, like I know mine stems from abuse and just, I grew up in a very abusive household.

• 1:19:11Bunnie XO?

  So my OCD started at a very young age because of that. Where do you think yours came from? Well, my parents were, my whole family was insane. You're right. No, same sister. I mean insane. Yeah. I mean, really seriously crazy and uh, but you know, because of PTSD and horror. So they didn't know what the hell they were doing. But like our house, I mean, you wouldn't, you wouldn't believe it. It's just too crazy. Right. My parents, all they did was make out. The two of them made out and they had four kids and they just, uh, all they did was make out, which gave me a repulsion for human sexuality, of course. Oh, no.

• 1:19:54Bunnie XO?

  It was disgusting. I remember when, ugh. Was it regular making out? Oh, yeah. Like he'd come home from work and she'd be standing there in front of the heat. She turned on the heat and it took me a long time to put it together. She had this pen war set. All of us would just be sitting there. And she, she'd stand in front of the heat so this pen war would billow out there. She'd have these ruby red lips on. She looked like Liz Taylor. She was the beauty of, she was like the only beautiful Jewish girl in the whole town. The rest of them looked like Ruth Buzzy. But anyway, and my dad was the only Jewish football hero ever in Utah or the world, I guess. But, uh, so.

• 1:20:40Bunnie XO?

  He'd come through the door and she'd be there with the ruby red lips and he'd come home from work and she'd be there all billowed out with the pen war and the red lips. And, oh, it was so gross. And daddy, he'd go, well, hello there. And then he'd rush to her like Clark Gable or some hideous thing like in some movie and then just start kissing. They'd just always be kissing. Oh, it was just heckening. I hate that because me and my husband make out all the time. So I wonder if our kid feels the same way. Oh, I'm sure they will. They do. I'm sure they do. Ask them. I, well, we do all the time. She's always like, you know, she's so used to it now because

• 1:21:23Bunnie XO?

  we do. But I mean, we're not like full on like swap and spit, but we're very affectionate with each other. So I just hope it doesn't send her on a path of being repulsed of sexual behavior in any sort of way. Well, the other ones all went gay. Oh, no. So, uh, you know, I don't know. They're probably repulsed by heterosexuality. But, uh, you know, it just, it was all, so daddy was always trying to kill us kids so that he could just have mom by himself. Oh, no. But he wasn't conscious of the fact that he was always trying to kill us. How would he try to kill you? Well, uh, we didn't have any furniture or anything because daddy said, I could live

• 1:22:04Bunnie XO?

  in a tent. I don't need any furniture. I could live in a tent. A man is owned by the things he owns. He'd say all that kind of crazy comedy shit, you know. We were like, Dad, we have no place to sit or do our homework. Yeah, you don't need any, you know. So mom finally went to therapy and she, so she said, we're gonna have a regular house. Oh, right. You know, so, anyway, she says he's gonna remodel. So he strips all the wallpaper off the walls with a kerosene thing and he leaves it on and he's smoking in the house. And, uh, yeah, and so the neighbors, the neighbors called the cops and they come over there with the welfare.

• 1:22:50Speaker 03

  And they go, Mr. Bard, do you realize you've stripped all your wallpaper off and you have kerosene? He never threw the wallpaper out either. Uh, you have kerosene soaked rags in your home with cigarettes with four children. He goes, I'm sorry, sir. It never occurred to me that that was a bad thing to do, sir.

• 1:23:09Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:23:10Speaker 03

  My dad was horrified because it never occurred to him, right?

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  So, you know, that kind of thing. They go, you have forty eight hours to clean this up or you're we're gonna take your kids out of this house. So.

• 1:23:22Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:23:22Speaker 03

  So they leave and my dad comes over, he slaps him across the head. Get cleaning this place up.

• 1:23:28Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:23:30Speaker 03

  And then we'd have to go down to get our clothes to go to school because we only had two towels for six people.

• 1:23:36Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:23:37Speaker 03

  And, uh, because dad didn't want to spend any money on towels. But anyway, we have to go in the laundry, in the, uh, dryer to get our clothes for school and above the dryer was a naked light bulb that's you had to stand in a puddle of water to screw in before you get your clothes out of the dryer.

• 1:23:57Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  So every day we'd go down to get either a towel or our clothes and we would get like a horrible shock. We, and it was like we'd make fun of it. Us kids would go, wake up, brush your teeth, eat breakfast, go down, get three hundred, you know, microwave shock, get your clothes, pack your lunch. And then, you know, they said, we just laugh about it. Nobody said, it's dangerous to have your children stand in a puddle of water.

• 1:24:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Speaker 03

  And screw in a light bulb on a wire hanging down.

• 1:24:32Bunnie XO?

  That is insane.

• 1:24:34Speaker 03

  And it was always like, there was all like all booby trap crazy shit.

• 1:24:38Bunnie XO?

  But well, no wonder you had OCD. I could see, I could see all the trauma right now.

• 1:24:42Speaker 03

  Everything five times because I knew if I'd, because sometimes I'd do things twice. And then I would recognize the pattern of something's horribly wrong is going to start a fire.

• 1:24:54Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  So I always have to do everything five times to make sure like the door was locked because sometimes they'd leave the door wide open when we went to.

• 1:25:02Bunnie XO?

  Sleep. I have to go down and check, check, check, check, check. But they got better. My parents did get better. Good. Well, I'm happy to hear that. So I learned some cool facts about you in your childhood that I actually had never known about you. Can we go on this journey?

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 1:25:19Bunnie XO?

  So you were a military kid?

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yup.

• 1:25:21Bunnie XO?

  Take me on that journey because it says that you were like, you lived in Germany, Japan and the UK growing up?

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was born in North Dakota. So my parents were cold as hell when they had me.

• 1:25:31Bunnie XO?

  Right. Yeah, North Dakota is like, it's crazy out there how cold it is.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  Brutal.

• 1:25:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  I went back for a few shows and shit and I don't know, we might have been there in like June, but it still felt like it was like December. It never gets warm there.

• 1:25:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, it's crazy. We've been there on a few shows too. And I'm like, what the fuck is there to do out here?

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 1:25:52Bunnie XO?

  Besides have kids?

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  Have babies.

• 1:25:53Bunnie XO?

  Literally, yeah.

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  And be in the military, I guess.

• 1:25:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  But um, so my parents, they, my mom is from Pittsburgh and my dad is from New York. So they met in basic training, which was away from both of those places. So when they had me and my older sibling, my older sibling was born on Guam. And I was born in North Dakota, which is like two totally different things. And then for the earlier part of my life, yeah, I moved around a lot. Um, I did live in um, in Europe for a while. I lived in Japan for a while. I lived in a lot of southern states. And my mom being from Pittsburgh, that's how I ended up going back there. And that's where a lot of my roots are at, my real family. And that's why I spent the majority of my time like going to school and stuff like that.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  But it was really cool, like experiencing, living all over in different countries and different states and things like that.

• 1:26:43Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. Like that had to have like shaped a little bit of, well, actually a lot of like how you look at life.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Absolutely. It definitely exposed me to a lot of different cultures and a lot of different ways of life.

• 1:26:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  And I got to experience it young on a personal level because I was meeting a lot of kids and just, you know. Mingling with them. And now as an adult, I'm really being able to go back and dive into these cultures and experience them as, you know, a grown man. It just, it really like broadened my mind and just opened me up to a lot of different things. That if I didn't have that, I wouldn't have been, you know, where I'm at.

• 1:27:19Bunnie XO?

  I thought that was such a cool fact about you because I didn't know that. And I was like, that's actually really cool that you're like so cultured.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's super cool and like, all the base kids around the world, they feel like a connection with me.

• 1:27:31Bunnie XO?

  Aww.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  They're like, oh, Wiz is one of us.

• 1:27:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:35Bunnie XO?

  Because moving around a lot as a child has to be hard, you know, like, because you kind of don't have a sense of feeling like belonging anywhere permanently.

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  It's, it's that and then there's like a lot of anxiety like from always being the new kid.

• 1:27:49Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  Because when you're, when you're younger, the concept of making friends, you want to just have friends forever.

• 1:27:55Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  But you have to like make friends and then leave them. So that'd be the hard part is like, oh, I've known you for like two, three years and now I'm never going to see you for the rest of my life.

• 1:28:05Bunnie XO?

  Oh, are there any friends that you have kept in contact with that you met?

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  I do, I do. I have a couple of friends. My boy Tyrese from, uh, from Oklahoma. My partner Zach, he came to see me a couple of times.

• 1:28:17Bunnie XO?

  Aww.

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  Um, my partner Wesley, he live in North Carolina. I haven't seen him in years, but I still remember that fool.

• 1:28:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:23Speaker 01

  And there's, there's a lot of, there's like girls that I used to date back in the day who'd be popping up and shit like that.

• 1:28:28Bunnie XO?

  They do. They're like, hey, Wiz.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. I'm like, yeah, you ain't getting, those days is over.

• 1:28:35Bunnie XO?

  No, I get that. I think it's a testament of who somebody is though, to be able to maintain relationships from childhood. Because I have friends from fucking second grade still, you know, so it's like, it just shows that you care and that you are able to keep those relationships going.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. Even like my friends from Pittsburgh, a lot of them are from middle school and high school. But we just got together for Will's bachelor party and we still kick it just on the same level, just talking shit, having a great time. And I really value, like you said, those relationships. It means a lot to me.

• 1:29:05Bunnie XO?

  Is it because people, as they know? Know you from before all of this.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:29:09Bunnie XO?

  And they keep you grounded.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you do it the right way, they seen you on your way up. They know that it didn't just happen overnight. Like, some people, they might look at you and it's like a magic trick.

• 1:29:20Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Like you said, they know you, like, we were in class together, we rode the bus together, we went to school dances together. You know, those relationships are really valuable.

• 1:29:30Bunnie XO?

  I love that. Yeah, every time I go back to Vegas, my girls make sure to humble me. Every time, they're like, but you are, we knew you before you were Bunny. You know, like, calm down.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need that sometimes.

• 1:29:42Bunnie XO?

  So I read also that your parents divorced at three. Where did dad go? And were you raised majorly, of the majority of time by your mom?

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  It was a even split.

• 1:29:53Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  So my dad remarried and he's still married to my stepmom to this day. So we're still a family. And then my mother, she went back to Pittsburgh. So my dad and stepmom were still in the military and my mother was in Pittsburgh. So I would live with my mom for two years and then I would go live with my dad and stepmom for two years.

• 1:30:14Bunnie XO?

  Wow, that's a, a different agreement. Normally, it's like every other weekend.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, they hated each other.

• 1:30:20Bunnie XO?

  Oh, shit. Okay, gotcha.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  They didn't get along at all. And it was the nineties. And there was really no concept of like, how to like, navigate through that. They didn't have as much talk about that back then as they do now.

• 1:30:35Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  So they handled it the best way that they seen fit. And that was that.

• 1:30:40Bunnie XO?

  Do you think that that plays into your role with how you co-parent with your baby mamas now? Because now you have two, right?

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:47Bunnie XO?

  You've got Bash and then you've got the, the little girl now.

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, my girl Kayden.

• 1:30:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So do you think that seeing how your parents didn't get along back then was kind of like, you were like, I'm not gonna be like that?

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:58Bunnie XO?

  And that was a driving force in making sure you had good relationships? With the mother of your children.

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it like subconsciously played a role because uh to me that was normal when I was a kid. Like spending two years with one parent and two years with another. But having kids, I could never be away from my son for no two years. Like that's insane. So if I gotta get along with his mom, if I gotta freaking kiss her feet, I'm doing whatever I gotta do. To make sure that we're all on the same page. So that's not the agreement. And like I said, my parents did the best that they could. And I don't fault them for that at all. But I do know the difference between um seeing your parents function.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  And not seeing them function. And I would much rather, you know, my kids see see me and their parents function.

• 1:31:52Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. I'm an eighties baby myself and I just feel like parents of that era. They were not ready to cope with their trauma. They didn't, they were setting their fucking ways. You were not gonna tell them how they are gonna raise their kids. And like, they were just like, it was just, I don't know, I feel like we're such a generation of kids that are healing what our parents wouldn't.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. I think even just as a, yeah, I totally agree with that. And I think as adults, our parents went through a lot as well. They had trauma, you know, before, but they were going through a lot as adults.

• 1:32:25Bunnie XO?

  Guys, this episode, we really didn't have a lot to talk about and we will have way more to talk about. Next season when we talk to you guys, we're just tired, burnt out, we need a break.

• 1:32:36Speaker 03

  I said, next season's gonna be a little different too. We're gonna have a lot of like experts on and like.

• 1:32:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:40Speaker 03

  It's gonna be a really fun season. I feel like each season has its own. I love this season. This past season was my favorite. So much fun. I like, thinking back now, when I was kinda going over this past season. I keep saying like, oh, this person was my favorite guest. And then it would be like, this person is my favorite guest. My favorite guest.

• 1:32:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's pretty funny.

• 1:32:59Speaker 03

  This last episode with Roseanne was such a good episode.

• 1:33:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I love Roseanne.

• 1:33:04Speaker 03

  I love seeing that. The McRib. I cackled at the fucking McRib part, you guys. She was like, they just never warn you when the McRib comes back.

• 1:33:14Bunnie XO?

  I, I feel honored that, you know, despite how the world feels about her, I feel honored that I actually got to sit down with her. Because, you know, she's, she's fucking been around for a long time, you know, and she's kind of on her way of just chilling and finding peace. And I think that, I think we caught her at a really cool time in her life.

• 1:33:31Speaker 03

  Yes, absolutely.

• 1:33:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, cuz I didn't get the Roseanne that everybody else gets. I got like a very, I got like, you know, sweet grandma vibes.

• 1:33:37Speaker 03

  Exactly. It was so different than anything you've seen. It wasn't abrasive. It wasn't like harsh or anything. You, you had such a soft side of her. Through the whole, or through the whole podcast. I was such, this whole season just makes me so happy, having Tech on. That was such a dream moment for me.

• 1:33:52Bunnie XO?

  Dude, Dolly.

• 1:33:53Speaker 03

  Dolly, I mean, this was such an iconic season.

• 1:33:57Bunnie XO?

  This was like a turning of events, a turning of guests and like leveling up. And, you know, the Patreon is still growing. We're at almost 300,000 members. Like, that's fucking insane.

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  That community over there is like the core humans of all of this. I love them so much.

• 1:34:14Bunnie XO?

  Like, thank you guys so much. I'm almost 7,000.

• 1:34:16Speaker 03

  Yay, congrats, Haley.

• 1:34:19Bunnie XO?

  If you listen to my podcast, I appreciate you. If you engage with us on social media, I appreciate you. If you are a member of our Patreon, I appreciate you. Like, I just appreciate this journey that we're even being able to do this for as long as we have. We're going into season 10. Like, that's crazy. That's crazy. It's crazy to think that when I first started this podcast, I didn't know what I was gonna do with it, you know? Like, I thought I was gonna be like a sex podcast, cuz hence why I called myself the female, um, I'm sorry. One, the female Howard Stern, but also, um, the degenerate love child of Dr. Ruth and Dolly Parton.

• 1:34:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:34:57Bunnie XO?

  So like, that was my whole shtick, was like, just, we were just gonna have sex workers on.

• 1:35:01Speaker 03

  Oh, even in the beginning, we, I distinctly remember a conversation you and I had in the beginning, and we had. Mentioned like men coming on, you're like, no, it's going to be women only.

• 1:35:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:10Speaker 03

  And look how like transformative we've come like.

• 1:35:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:13Speaker 03

  And then it was this and then it was this and is there so many, I feel like every season shows, yeah, every season shows a different growth within it.

• 1:35:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's been wild. So you know, who knows where the podcast is going to take us from here, but I mean, we're just going to keep on trucking, baby. I love that we've inspired other people to create, you know, to keep going on their journeys too.

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:35:33Bunnie XO?

  And even through the fire with all the podcast boom, we've still remained just us and.

• 1:35:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:35:39Bunnie XO?

  Like, you know, been consistent. So I'm hoping that, you know, everybody realizes that we love you guys and that this is really a passion that we have and. Um, you know, we're just going to keep getting better and better and that's all.

• 1:35:51Speaker 03

  It's cool that we've been able to integrate Patreon into it now. We get a lot of. Yeah, I feel like the Astell Confess is huge. Yeah, we, so many people stop and they're like, I'm literally only here for Astell Confess. I wanted to tell you this. Like the messages we get in there sometimes, I'm just like, I'm literally laughing at some of the stuff because I'm like, you guys are so funny with it.

• 1:36:11Bunnie XO?

  Like, yeah.

• 1:36:11Speaker 03

  One of the ones I was reading the other day was like, this has nothing to do with poop, butthole or sex.

• 1:36:19Bunnie XO?

  We appreciate you. Thank you.

• 1:36:21Speaker 03

  I had a guy stop me in Kroger the other day that was like, I just want you to know Astell Confess is one of my favorite shows. And he goes, because you and those ladies, you guys talk about everything. It's weird because I have almost only guys talk about it too. At the, at my sister's wedding. A guy took a picture with me because he was like, I love Astell Confess. I was like, what? Yes, it's so cool. It's like gotten a lot more dudes into it, which I think are really funny. And like even Dustin's friends, like they're, like they talk about it at work. They're like that Astell Confess episode.

• 1:36:54Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's hilarious. I love that so much. I love you guys and I cannot wait to be back for season 10 and we'll see you guys when we get back.

• 1:37:07Bunnie XO?

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