Pod Insights Dumb Blonde Kristin Spills Tea on Morgan Wallen, Jay Cutler & Montana Boy About this episode The legendary Kristin Cavallari joins Bunnie, bringing all her iconic energy. The two dive into Kristin’s wild journey from reality TV queen on Laguna Beach and The Hills to her lasting status as a Hollywood "it" girl. Kristin dishes on flings with Morgan Wallen and the mysterious Montana Boy (yes, their big… hearts), life in the dating world after divorce, and spills some juicy behind-the-scenes drama from Very Cavallari. She also shares how she built her booming jewelry and skincare brand, Uncommon James, and what exciting moves she’s planning for 2025 and beyond.
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0:00 Bunnie XO? Bunny XO.
0:00 Speaker 01 She was a Vegas queen.
0:02 Bunnie XO? Bunny XO.
0:10 Speaker 02 Don Blunt Podcast. Bunny.
0:23 Bunnie XO? Is this thing on? Hi, babies. Welcome back to another episode of Don Blunt. My girl, Kristin Cavallari is in the house, baby.
0:31 Speaker 03 Hi, I'm so excited to be here.
0:33 Bunnie XO? Dude, I am so stoked to have you here. This has been a long time coming.
0:37 Speaker 03 I know. We've been talking about this for, I mean, months, months.
0:41 Bunnie XO? Maybe it might even be a year.
0:42 Speaker 03 That's what I was gonna say. It might be. Yeah. So yay. So happy it's finally happening.
0:47 Bunnie XO? Dude, you are an icon in your own right, dude. You have been around forever. And I don't think, like, I don't feel like the new TikTok people really know, like, your whole lore.
0:56 Speaker 03 I love you.
0:57 Bunnie XO? You have, like, a lore to you. And it's like, people are just like, oh, Kristin Cavallari just came on the scene. I've seen comments like that. And I'm like, and they're like, who is she? And I'm like, how do you guys not know who Kristin is?
1:07 Speaker 03 I love when people comment, who are you? It's like, you're the one commenting on my page. Get out of here.
1:12 Bunnie XO? I'm the one who's going viral. Who the fuck are you? You know?
1:15 Speaker 03 It's so funny. TikTok is its own thing. I just did a voiceover to myself from Laguna Beach. And people thought it was like a, like, in real time, like, I was just doing it.
1:25 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
1:25 Speaker 03 And some people obviously get it. But TikTok is, it's, yeah, is it a younger generation?
1:30 Bunnie XO? I, I, not on my FYP, but I, I feel like there's so many people that do use TikTok. That it's like, the age group is just so vast over there.
1:39 Speaker 03 Well, I don't know what for you pages I'm falling on, but it's like, it's such a mixed bag. It's either like Laguna Beach fans who have known me for 20 years, you know? Or these people are like, who the fuck is this chick?
1:49 Bunnie XO? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:50 Speaker 03 So, yeah, I get, I get all kinds of comments.
1:52 Bunnie XO? Well, let's get them familiar with you because I have an entire interview planned out for you. Because I, there's just, you have so much. So it's like, I just want to cover everything. And I, hopefully, in this interview, people and podcasts, people will be able to get to get a sense and a feel for you of like, everything that you've accomplished before you, you know, became on TikTok and was on Very Cavallari and all that stuff. So.
2:14 Speaker 03 All right. I love it. So let's dig in.
2:16 Bunnie XO? Yeah, let's dig in. Let's take it back to the hills because that's where I fell in love with you. You had like this huge personality and you didn't take anybody's shit.
2:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:25 Bunnie XO? And I was like, who is this woman? How did that all come about? Because was it like a bunch of rich kids whose parents like sent them to casting agents? Or like, how did this even come about?
2:35 Speaker 03 So Laguna Beach or the hills?
2:36 Bunnie XO? The hills.
2:37 Speaker 03 The hills.
2:37 Bunnie XO? The hills was first, right?
2:38 Speaker 03 No, so Laguna Beach was first.
2:40 Bunnie XO? Okay, Laguna Beach.
2:40 Speaker 03 Okay, so Laguna Beach. So I mean, literally, it fell into my lap. I was going to high school. We all were just going to school and MTV showed up one day and did an open casting call. And how they were able to come to the school was the school initially was on board with it. MTV was paying the school, so they found all of us. And then, of course, the parents freaked out and they were like, there's no way we can have cameras in these classrooms. So MTV was like, that's fine. We already found our cast. So what we would do is we would just film on the weekends. But it was right place, right time. It fell into my lap and it completely changed my life.
3:13 Bunnie XO? That's insanity.
3:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:15 Bunnie XO? So you grew up in Laguna Beach or did you grow up in like?
3:18 Speaker 03 So I grew up all over. So a lot of people think I'm from Laguna, but I didn't move to Laguna until I was a freshman in high school. So I was born in Colorado.
3:25 Bunnie XO? Oh, wow.
3:26 Speaker 03 Moved to Connecticut, moved back to Colorado. My parents got a divorce. I moved to a suburb of Chicago. And then I was getting into a lot of trouble. And so I ended up moving in with my dad, my freshman year of high school, to Laguna.
3:38 Bunnie XO? What kind of trouble were we getting into?
3:39 Speaker 03 Well, Bunny.
3:41 Bunnie XO? Because I need to hear this. Makes me feel better about my childhood.
3:46 Speaker 03 But so funny because for so long, I was kind of ashamed of my childhood and then like my partying ways and stuff. And now I just fully embrace it, you know?
3:53 Bunnie XO? That's what made you the woman you are today.
3:55 Speaker 03 Exactly. But so I started smoking pot in eighth grade. I started drinking. I was sneaking out.
4:00 Bunnie XO? Eighth grade?
4:01 Speaker 03 Eighth grade. Yeah, I was young. And so, and my boyfriend Johnny at the time lived close. And he would drive his golf cart over to my house and pick me up. And we would just, I mean, just animals. I got taken home by the cops in eighth grade. It's like all your typical stuff.
4:17 Bunnie XO? Who introduced you to drugs and that scene so early? Was it just like ditching, school, partying, like?
4:23 Speaker 03 Ditching school and just friends. Yeah. You know, it just, I think I was sort of drawn to that group of kids because I had a lot of trauma. And so, you know, my escape was to start drinking and doing drugs. And the only way I found a connection was with my boyfriend. I didn't have a connection at home. And so that was where I found it was with my boyfriend and through all of my friends.
4:46 Bunnie XO? When you talk about the trauma, can we touch base on that? Like, was it just a rough? Relationship with the parents.
4:53 Speaker 03 It so my dad is a narcissist, typical narcissist.
4:57 Bunnie XO? So is mine. I'm just dealing with my dad today, actually, and he died in May.
5:01 Speaker 03 Oh, really?
5:02 Bunnie XO? Yeah, no, I it's having a narcissistic father is so it just it's you can't explain it unless you've gone through it, or somebody can relate to it.
5:11 Speaker 03 Because there's so many layers to it. It's complicated.
5:13 Bunnie XO? It's disgusting.
5:14 Speaker 03 It really is disgusting. I actually cut my dad out of my life a couple of years ago, which is the best thing I've ever done, quite honestly. I feel like it was the last thing I needed to do in my healing journey. And there was a period where I was like, I felt like, am I gonna have bad karma if I cut him out of my life? And am I gonna have to like, come back in another lifetime and have to like, do you know, work through all the same shit again? And I actually had a medium say to me, she was like, no, actually, that was like, what you came to do in this lifetime was to be able to stand up for yourself and set boundaries and cut him out of your life.
5:45 Bunnie XO? Oh, my God.
5:46 Speaker 03 Okay, that made me feel so much better. Yeah, just validated everything. But anyway, so so I had a narcissistic dad growing up, and then parents divorce, stepfamilies, some sexual trauma with a couple of different guys in my life, and just, you know, just like, one thing after another.
6:04 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
6:06 Speaker 03 And so, yeah, I was just looking for any kind of, any kind of connection, an outlet as well. So that was why I kind of, you know, went down the path that I did.
6:15 Bunnie XO? Yeah. They say that children who are born Capricorns normally have issues with the mom. So for you to have issues with you, I wonder what your moon sign is?
6:27 Speaker 03 Well, okay, I don't know which one is moon and which one is, what's the other one?
6:31 Bunnie XO? Venus.
6:31 Speaker 03 There's Venus. So I'm cancer and Aries, but I don't know which one is which.
6:36 Bunnie XO? I could see you being an Aries moon, because I'm an Aries moon.
6:38 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:39 Bunnie XO? So you might have, I don't know, we'll do your chart. I'll do, I'll have to text you. I'll get your number and we'll, or we can do it on the podcast. I don't even care.
6:46 Speaker 03 I love it.
6:46 Bunnie XO? Do you, Mimi, do you know how to look up the birth charts? Well, yeah, will you look it up?
6:50 Speaker 03 Oh, fine.
6:50 Bunnie XO? Just give.
6:53 Speaker 03 I was born. And I was born at I think. PM. The fact that I know that so easily.
7:00 Bunnie XO? I was a fucking an AM baby and I I can I'm a night owl.
7:05 Speaker 03 Oh, really?
7:06 Bunnie XO? I can. Isn't that crazy? Like, I came in the world AM and you will never catch me up at 6:30 AM.
7:11 Speaker 03 That is hilarious. Yeah.
7:13 Bunnie XO? Ever, dude. While she's looking that up, we'll continue. But isn't it crazy, though, that, like, so much happens in your early life and it's like you you don't know how to deal with it and you carry it so deeply. So it comes out in other ways, which was, of course, for you, was the partying and stuff like that.
7:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know. I think everyone is the way they are because of their childhood. This is like my favorite conversation.
7:35 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
7:36 Speaker 03 You know, because I just think, and I think a lot of people, they don't take the time to actually look inward and really work through their trauma and figure out why they are the way they are.
7:45 Bunnie XO? Yes.
7:45 Speaker 03 And I feel like that's been my whole fucking life, basically, is like having to like, figure it out.
7:49 Bunnie XO? Breaking generational classes. Literally, that's me, too. Same.
7:53 Speaker 03 And finally, I'm about to turn 38 and I finally feel like I'm in a good place with everything and have a good handle on it.
7:59 Bunnie XO? I'm so glad you got a hold of it early because I didn't want to start dealing with my shit till I hit 40. And when I tell you I hit 40 years old, I had the most crazy depression. Like it like it's like you can be so strong your entire life and then it's that one day that you just wake up and everything fucking hits you like a brick wall.
8:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:18 Bunnie XO? So the fact that you have gotten ahead of it is just amazing. I'm so proud of you for doing that.
8:22 Speaker 03 I mean, I've always said, I feel like the first, the first half of my life was just like thing after thing. Just like, it was just a lot. And now I'm hoping that I'm setting the second half, second half of my life up to just be fucking chill.
8:36 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
8:36 Speaker 03 Just like, relax and be able to just enjoy my life.
8:40 Bunnie XO? Do you think all that trauma that you had was why you were so fierce on Laguna Beach in the hills?
8:47 Speaker 03 I think it definitely played a role and I think always being the new girl and moving around constantly, I was able to be put in any situation and it was like sink or swim. And I figured out how to survive, you know, and how to make the most of it. So I think I naturally sort of had this tough exterior, this like take no shit attitude. But I also was able to figure out any situation you could put me in. So I think the combination, yeah, is what made me this like, you know, fucking firecracker.
9:15 Bunnie XO? I love that, though, and that's what you were known for. And that's literally why people fell in love with you. Because, you know, back then, we didn't have a lot of like, strong personalities like that on TV.
9:23 Speaker 03 Well, I got a lot of hate for it at the time. And now it's interesting because people are like, wait a minute. Maybe Kristen wasn't the villain. I was like, fuck, 20 years later, I'll take it.
9:35 Bunnie XO? I, you know, and I don't want to talk shit about her, but Lauren always rubbed me the wrong way. And I was just like, I don't know, like, it just seems a little too manufactured. Like, it just didn't seem real to me, but you always came across as authentic.
9:47 Speaker 03 Thank you.
9:48 Bunnie XO? Do you feel like because you were always the, you know, fierce one and the one to speak up and the one to fight back? Do you feel like people didn't really get a sense of who you really were because of that?
9:59 Speaker 03 Hundred percent. And I think that was the thing Laguna Beach showed one side of my personality. And I mean, you know, we're all, we have so many different sides to our personality. And so, you know, people, because I do have a very soft side too. And of course, as I've gotten older and became a mom and everything, I've really honed in on that. But even back then, I mean, I did as well. And I still have that, that, you know, take no shit side to me. But when that's the only thing they're showing, yes, I mean, you can't really get to know someone. And it's interesting because Stephen and I actually did a Back to the Beach podcast. It was a rewatch podcast and we went back and it was the first time I had seen it and since it aired.
10:39 Speaker 03 And at the time, I remember being like, MTV fucked with me so hard and I thought it was unfair. And then going back and rewatching it and talking to everybody, I was like, oh no, they fucked with everyone. Like they did, what they did to me, they did to every single cast member, even, you know, Lauren. They only showed one side of her personality too. Stephen, the same thing. And so I walked away from that being like, it just, it was what it was. And I was so mad about it for so long, but it was a nice way to kind of like wrap that up and be like, it wasn't just me. I wasn't the victim in that situation. Like it happened to us all.
11:10 Bunnie XO? Oh, that's, that's actually a really cool perspective though, because most people would internalize that and be like, I was picked on and victimize themselves. And you were like, no, actually they did it to everybody. So you guys didn't have any control of what was getting put out there?
11:23 Speaker 03 Nothing, nothing.
11:25 Bunnie XO? I feel like reality TV back in the day did that to everybody. Like you signed your life and rights away as a human. And what they wanted to present you as was what you were going to be known as.
11:36 Speaker 03 I know because you know, it was one of the first reality shows. So we didn't know what we were signing up for.
11:41 Bunnie XO? Right.
11:41 Speaker 03 And you know, even things like they would have us just record wild lines, just lines and they could splice them in wherever they wanted. And so in a sense, I mean, we kind of had an idea of what they were doing because we're like, well, obviously I didn't say this, but you're having me say it on into a microphone. So you're clearly going to use it somewhere. So we knew that they were manipulating it to a degree.
12:01 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
12:01 Speaker 03 But until we actually saw it, we had no idea what was going on.
12:05 Bunnie XO? And you guys were kids.
12:06 Speaker 03 I was 17.
12:07 Bunnie XO? Did your guys' parents have any say so in any of that?
12:10 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah, our parents had to sign off on it. My mom had a lot of reservations, but I wasn't living with her at the time, so it kind of didn't matter. My dad was on board with it. So yeah. I know.
12:20 Bunnie XO? Oh, but you know what? Look at where you are now.
12:22 Speaker 03 No, it's all good. It's all good. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy. My mom didn't stop it, you know, but it was, it was hard to deal with at that age just because it's hard enough being a teenager, you know? And then having your lives being manipulated when it's your real boyfriend, your real friend, it just gets really, just really messy, quite honestly. So.
12:41 Bunnie XO? Was it, how real was it though? Because you know, reality TV back then wasn't quite real. Didn't they give you guys plots and like, or was it?
12:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:50 Bunnie XO? Genuine.
12:50 Speaker 03 Well, so Laguna Beach was more put us in situations and then kind of see what happens, knowing that a particular situation is going to probably press my buttons. Or, you know, this is not the group of people I would normally hang out with, kind of a thing. Let's have Kristen's boyfriend go up to this other girl's house, even though they're dating. And so situations that they know is going to piss us off.
13:13 Bunnie XO? Right.
13:13 Speaker 03 But um, I don't think any show is 100% real. I think it's impossible to have a show. Even if you have cameras on you 24/7, like Jersey Shore, for example, they still have to edit it down into a 42 episode or whatever it is.
13:30 Bunnie XO? Yeah, 30 minute episodes for.
13:32 Speaker 03 Right. And so there's no way that something can be 100% real. You just, there's no way to capture.
13:38 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
13:38 Speaker 03 All of that.
13:39 Bunnie XO? Yeah, absolutely. Um, we have your birth chart right here.
13:42 Speaker 03 Okay.
13:43 Bunnie XO? So you are a Capricorn sun, you're an Aries moon, because I can see.
13:47 Speaker 03 Oh, you were right.
13:47 Bunnie XO? Yeah, totally. And you're a Capricorn rising, so your Mercury is Capricorn, wait, yep, Capricorn.
13:54 Speaker 03 Why did I think I had cancer?
13:55 Bunnie XO? Your Venus is Scorpio, ooh, so you're a lover.
13:58 Speaker 03 Oh, that makes sense.
13:59 Bunnie XO? You're a lover, baby.
14:01 Speaker 03 Where the hell did I get cancer from?
14:03 Bunnie XO? You got a lot of Cap, you have a Capricorn stellium in you, baby. You have one, two, three, does she have three or four planets in Capricorn? Three planets in Capricorn, yeah, so that's a stellium.
14:14 Speaker 03 Wow.
14:14 Bunnie XO? Yeah, so you're a hardcore Cap, baby.
14:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, I could have told you that.
14:18 Bunnie XO? But I could see the Aries moon in you, because I'm an Aries moon too, and we're just so fiery.
14:22 Speaker 03 Yes, okay, so the Aries is the fiery.
14:24 Bunnie XO? Well, and Cap too.
14:26 Speaker 03 Okay.
14:26 Bunnie XO? Cap is Earth, but also the Aries part of it too is just, it all, I'll have to sit down and explain birth charts.
14:33 Speaker 03 Okay, I love this.
14:34 Bunnie XO? Super into that, but I just feel like astrology really tells people like who they are. It's like, it's a love language.
14:40 Speaker 03 Totally, I believe in all this stuff, I love it.
14:42 Bunnie XO? Yeah, do you?
14:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
14:44 Bunnie XO? We'll have to, I'll have to start sending you stuff, because I'm totally into that. So, moving on from the hills and all that stuff, are you friends with anybody still from the cast?
14:53 Speaker 03 I mean, I still talk to pretty much everybody, and the rewatch podcast kind of brought us all back together, which was really fun. And I have my 20 year high school reunion coming up in the fall, and so I can't, I can't wait.
15:06 Bunnie XO? Are you excited?
15:07 Speaker 03 I'm so excited.
15:08 Bunnie XO? You're gonna be like the hottest one there, going back there.
15:11 Speaker 03 I don't know, everyone in Laguna Beach still looks really good, there's something in the water.
15:14 Bunnie XO? I'm telling you, the west coast girls are just.
15:17 Speaker 03 It's true, that sunshine, baby, I do think it's good for you.
15:20 Bunnie XO? I'm from Vegas, and we were always in Cali, like we, Vegas girls and Cali girls kind of like, we all just.
15:27 Speaker 03 Well, that's like, we were always in Vegas, because it's so easy. We would, we'd have nights where we're like, let's just go to Vegas, fuck it.
15:32 Bunnie XO? Half hour flight.
15:33 Speaker 03 Oh my God, it's so easy.
15:34 Bunnie XO? You know how many coked out trips I took on a flight?
15:39 Bunnie XO? Bro, being locked on a plane.
15:42 Speaker 03 We would drive too.
15:43 Bunnie XO? Oh, I couldn't do it.
15:44 Speaker 03 We'd be like, let's just fucking drive.
15:45 Bunnie XO? Fuck, three hours, I couldn't do it, three and a half hours locked in a car.
15:49 Speaker 03 Oh, train wreck, yeah.
15:50 Bunnie XO? Fucking cracked out of my mind, there's no, I've done it, but there's just, I could, now, I could never.
15:55 Speaker 03 But never.
15:56 Bunnie XO? No way.
15:57 Speaker 03 No.
15:58 Bunnie XO? No.
16:00 Bunnie XO? Dude, I look back, we just got some pictures from my best friend who passed away. Her sister sent me a bunch of pictures of us and there's one of me in there that's like methed out.
16:09 Speaker 03 Oh.
16:09 Bunnie XO? Girl, where are my eyebrows?
16:10 Speaker 03 I know. Well, I was the same way. I had no eyebrows and had fucked them up forever now.
16:16 Bunnie XO? I had to, you can see, no, your eyebrows look fucking good.
16:18 Speaker 03 Well, they're fitted.
16:19 Bunnie XO? Mine are too, but yours like, like you have hair. I can't even fucking grow a fucking eyebrow back.
16:24 Speaker 03 Okay, you know what I'm gonna tell you? Castor oil. Do you ever put castor oil on them?
16:27 Bunnie XO? I tried it on my belly button and it made me feel weird.
16:31 Speaker 03 I put it in my belly button too.
16:33 Bunnie XO? I can't do it. It made me feel weird, so I get scared now. I'm so sensitive.
16:37 Speaker 03 Dude, I rub it all over my stomach.
16:39 Bunnie XO? And it works for you? Do you love it?
16:40 Speaker 03 And I put it on my face too.
16:42 Bunnie XO? I tried to do the castor oil thing because I wanted to be like the castor oil girlies too. And it just made me, I woke up the next day, I'm such a sensitive like girly now because of all the fucking shit I did in my past.
16:53 Speaker 03 Well, yeah.
16:53 Bunnie XO? So like now I can't, it's like I used to fucking snort eight balls and now I can't even use castor oil.
16:57 Speaker 03 Right?
16:58 Bunnie XO? Yeah, it's fucked up.
16:59 Speaker 03 It is fucked up.
17:00 Bunnie XO? No, it's fucking, it's bullshit dude. Anyways, moving on from the castor oil packs. How did you take, so you did Laguna Beach, you did the hills, and then after that, did you want to stay in reality TV? Or was that more of like your exit out?
17:16 Speaker 03 I was like, get me the fuck out. And I think more than reality TV, just living in LA and feeling like I was, my life felt really claustrophobic because at that point I had paparazzi on me every single day.
17:28 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
17:29 Speaker 03 So every time I wanted to leave my house, whether it be just run to Walgreens or whatever, I'd have to be like, fuck, am I gonna have to deal with this? And you know, this is before social media, so the tabloid world was just ruthless.
17:43 Bunnie XO? It was so bad back then.
17:44 Speaker 03 It was really bad. And I was on the cover of fucking every magazine, it seemed like every other week for some bullshit I didn't do. Or like saying I need to go to rehab and all this shit. I just, I had sort of hit my wall and I really wanted out of LA.
17:57 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
17:58 Speaker 03 It wasn't even so much like, It wasn't even, I wanted to be done with an entertainment career. I knew I wanted to be done with reality TV, but it was more like, I gotta get the fuck out of LA for my own sanity. And I actually met my ex-husband a month after we wrapped The Hills.
18:12 Bunnie XO? Oh wow, so Jay came in that?
18:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:15 Bunnie XO? Are we allowed to say his name?
18:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, we can totally say his name. Yeah, I met him when I was 23, a month after we wrapped The Hills, and it just sort of naturally got me out of LA, which was great.
18:23 Bunnie XO? Oh, that's how it was with Jay. When I met my Jay was, literally, it got me out of Vegas. If I would've stayed in Vegas, I would've killed myself.
18:31 Speaker 03 Right? That's how I felt like in LA.
18:33 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
18:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know. It's kind of cool how, you know, when you really want something, how the universe just sort of delivers it when you're ready.
18:40 Bunnie XO? Absolutely. All you gotta do is ask, and the universe will grab it.
18:43 Speaker 03 That's true.
18:43 Bunnie XO? So, you meet Jay. How, tell, take me on that journey with you guys' relationship.
18:49 Speaker 03 So, Jay, a year prior, I got a call from my publicist, and he said that Jay Cutler wanted to fly me to Chicago and take me on a date. And I didn't know who Jay was, so I Googled him, and I was like, I mean, I don't, I was like, whatever, I don't know.
19:03 Bunnie XO? I didn't know who Jay was till he was on your show.
19:05 Speaker 03 I love you.
19:07 Bunnie XO? I knew who you were, I didn't know who Jay was.
19:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, so I said no. So, okay, fine. So, a year later, I was visiting my mom, who happened to still live there, and I was going to a Bears preseason game with my cousin, who was Bears-obsessed. I totally forgot Jay even asked me out, and my mom brought it up. And my cousin was like, what the fuck? You're such an idiot. Jay's the man. You gotta go out with him. So, I ended up getting us family passes to meet Jay after the game, thinking it was gonna make my cousin's life. I would probably never talk to this guy ever again. And he walked in, and I was like, oh shit, he's cuter than I thought he was gonna be. And
19:41 Bunnie XO? When he asked you out, how did he ask you out?
19:43 Speaker 03 Well, it was through my publicist.
19:44 Bunnie XO? Okay, gotcha.
19:45 Speaker 03 So, it was never, we never had any interaction.
19:47 Bunnie XO? Got you.
19:47 Speaker 03 So, he walked in, he was really cute, he was very smart, because he kinda like won my mom over, was talking to my mom the whole time. He drove us to our car, and then he texted me immediately, and he was like, something about like, well, you gotta come back, or something. And then I think I came back like a week later, and then it was like, that was it. We moved really fast.
20:08 Bunnie XO? Oh, I love relationships like that, though.
20:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:11 Bunnie XO? You know, granted, you know, you guys have gone your separate ways, but I still feel like a moment in time, that moment in time was what you needed, and it was like magical.
20:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, and he was, he was exactly what I was looking for at the time. And again, I mean, I was 23, I think. I was a baby, you know, like hindsight is 2020. I don't regret a damn thing though. I mean, there's so much good that came out of our relationship and ultimately not only did I get my kids and it got me out to Franklin, Tennessee and you know, all these great things, but it forced me to figure out my shit and grow up and do the work that I needed to do. And so I'm really thankful for that as well.
20:48 Bunnie XO? What do you, what would you say was kind of, I don't want to use the word downfall because that's heavy, but what, what do you think was part of the reason for the relationship unraveling?
20:59 Speaker 03 Um, so Jay and I always had a tough relationship, even from the very beginning. And I think, um, I'm really careful about what I say, obviously because we have three kids together.
21:15 Bunnie XO? Absolutely.
21:16 Speaker 03 But I think-
21:16 Bunnie XO? And we can always cut things out.
21:18 Speaker 03 Yeah. Um, I just, I haven't talked about him in so many years. I've like, I made a vow. I was like, I'm done talking about it, but I'm happy to talk about it. It's just, I'm trying to think about like, the best way to say it because you know, I think, um, it, things were just never good. And we tried really hard. I will say like, we really did everything that we could. And ultimately I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first. And especially as a mom and having these three little kids, I really wanted my kids to see me happy and see that I was making myself a priority and taking care of myself.
22:01 Speaker 03 Um, especially now having a daughter too. I think that's so important.
22:05 Bunnie XO? It is so important because I feel like when parents stay together and they're miserable, that causes more fucking trauma for the kids.
22:12 Speaker 03 1,000%.
22:14 Bunnie XO? Than just seeing healthy co-parenting.
22:16 Speaker 03 Yeah. Yeah. Because what you're teaching your kids then is A, stay in something because you're fucking miserable.
22:21 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
22:21 Speaker 03 And B, they have no idea now what a healthy relationship looks like. And it just- If you can't be your best self, that obviously trickles down to your kids and you take out your hurt and your sadness on your kids, it's just such a negative, toxic environment.
22:37 Bunnie XO? Yes.
22:37 Speaker 03 And, you know, as soon as I got out of my marriage, I remember even my mom saying to me like, shit, I had no idea how bad it was, but like, I was a shell of who I was and immediately I got my spark back.
22:49 Bunnie XO? I love that for you.
22:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:51 Bunnie XO? When you say that it was bad, was it just polar opposites or was it arguing? Like, what was it that was so bad?
22:58 Speaker 03 It was just, it was toxic, you know? And I think because I hadn't done the work with, on myself and-
23:04 Bunnie XO? You were a baby too.
23:05 Speaker 03 I was a fucking baby, like, I didn't know any better.
23:07 Bunnie XO? How old was he when you guys got together?
23:08 Speaker 03 He was, um, I think he had, I think he was 28, 27 or 28.
23:14 Bunnie XO? So you guys were both young.
23:16 Speaker 03 We were both young.
23:17 Bunnie XO? That's young love. I feel like the first, like, the first love or the first young love like that where you get married or something like, is like toxic, you know?
23:24 Speaker 03 Hundred percent.
23:25 Bunnie XO? You guys don't know how to fucking navigate life. I know how I was a fucking 23, I'm sorry to anybody whose paths had to cross with mine in that era of my life, because I was just a shit show.
23:36 Speaker 03 Like, you shouldn't be allowed to get married before age 30, quite honestly.
23:40 Bunnie XO? I agree.
23:40 Speaker 03 You shouldn't be allowed to. You don't know who the fuck you are at that age.
23:43 Bunnie XO? Bro, I swear, I 100% agree.
23:46 Speaker 03 I know it. But, yeah, but so, the thing is, I was repeating a pattern with my dad, you know, and because I hadn't done the work on my relationship with my dad, that's what you do, you know? I ended up marrying my dad. And so, it really forced me then to work through my shit, which is, which is what I did. So when we got a divorce, for the last almost five years, quite honestly, it's, I've really taken the time to like, get my shit together so that I don't then make the same mistake.
24:13 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
24:14 Speaker 03 I don't want the same mistake, that's not the right word, but I don't want to be repeating that pattern.
24:18 Bunnie XO? Absolutely.
24:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:19 Bunnie XO? For sure. And they do always say that if, unless you do the work, you will meet the same person, the same human in different bodies, until you learn that lesson.
24:27 Speaker 03 Over and over again.
24:28 Bunnie XO? Over and over again. So what we saw of Jay on Very Cavalry, because when did Very Cavalry come into the picture? Did you start Uncommon James first?
24:38 Speaker 03 I did, but they were pretty close together. Very Cavalry must have been 2017, I want to say. Or is that right? Yeah, because we did three seasons and it ended in 2020. So yeah, yeah, 2017.
24:52 Bunnie XO? How did Uncommon James come about?
24:55 Speaker 03 So I had a shoe line with Chinese Laundry. Do you remember that?
24:58 Bunnie XO? I do. I loved all their shoes.
25:00 Speaker 03 My, my brand growing up. So I had a shoe line with them and I loved it. But because I was doing shoes with them, I wanted to do something on my own. And I felt like jewelry was the next natural step. I love accessories. I think they make or break your outfit. So I, um, well, I had this fire in me to show everybody that I knew what I was doing in the branding world. Because with Chinese Laundry, at the end of the day, while I had final say, I didn't really, because it was a whole team of people. This is a well-established company. And I learned to trust my gut. I, I knew my customer. And so I had this fire in me of like, I'm going to show everyone that I know what I'm doing in the branding world. So I launched Uncommon James out of our house. And at the time, I was essentially a stay-at-home mom. Like I did little things.
25:45 Speaker 03 I would host these big award shows, these pre-shows for E on the red carpets. But other than that, I was basically a stay-at-home mom. And so I just honestly wanted something to do also.
25:56 Bunnie XO? And probably set yourself apart from the reality star.
25:59 Speaker 03 Yes.
25:59 Bunnie XO? You know, because you've grown, you've had a baby by now, you're married. It's like.
26:03 Speaker 03 I wanted my own thing. Yeah. And so I launched it and then I knew, because you know, I had been offered a million reality shows. Obviously, like, you know, coming off of Laguna Beach and the Hills, I knew I could always fall back on that if I needed to. But I wanted to do a show similar to Vanderpump Rules and have it be about Uncommon James. So pitched it to E and they were like, we'll do it if you're on it more. So I had to get Jay on board then, and I had to get one of my friends on board. And then, yeah, we did it. And, and I did it.
26:35 Bunnie XO? One of your friends being Kelly?
26:37 Speaker 03 Yes. And we, yeah, we can talk about that. Yeah. And she, um, or so, so we, we did the show and it. Honestly, the only reason I did it was for Uncommon James. Best decision I've ever made for the company. But I also, because I was an executive producer, I had such a different experience doing Very Cavalry. And the producers really looked at me like an equal. I was involved in every creative conversation. I always knew what was going on. And it was, that aspect of it was such an enjoyable experience. It was a great way for me to end my reality TV career. Just with such a positive taste in my mouth. So I was really, really happy that I ended up doing it.
27:16 Bunnie XO? That's amazing. So did you actually get a say so on what was aired?
27:19 Speaker 03 I was able to get shit taken out. I was, I mean, like, yeah.
27:23 Bunnie XO? I mean, it was juicy. There was a lot of drama.
27:26 Speaker 03 It could have been way better.
27:29 Bunnie XO? I'm like, I don't know. I thought you guys did a great fucking job.
27:32 Speaker 03 I think, I think it could have been better. I think it could have been funnier. I wanted it to be like, I mean, and there were definitely, Jay was very funny on the show.
27:39 Bunnie XO? Well, he was, he was hit or miss. He was either really funny or it was like, what is going on with this guy?
27:44 Speaker 03 Well, and I mean, you should have seen the shit that got edited out. There was one time we were filming and we were fighting so bad. The camera guys were like, okay, camera's down. Like, everyone take a break. But they can't show that because they wanted Jay and I to seem like we were perfect, you know? Or like had this great relationship.
28:01 Bunnie XO? You could pick up on the tension though. You could feel it.
28:03 Speaker 03 I think you could too. Like now, obviously we got divorced pretty quickly thereafter. I think people then could kind of see the cracks, you know? But they tried to do a really good job of showing us in a very positive light.
28:13 Bunnie XO? You don't have a good, I'm, you're, I'm the same way. You don't have a good poker face. If you're pissed off.
28:18 Speaker 03 Bullshit, man. It's like, I gotta be real.
28:20 Bunnie XO? Yeah, there was a couple of times I was like, she's pissed at him. Like you could feel the energy on it. Cause I, I watched Very Cavalry too.
28:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, I, the whole time that we were doing that show, I was really unhappy. Really unhappy in my marriage. And that was sort of like, well, that was a distraction probably also, you know? At that point, I was throwing myself into so much work stuff.
28:41 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
28:41 Speaker 03 That I was, it was all a distraction.
28:43 Bunnie XO? Do you feel like the drama from the show overshadowed the brand of Uncommon James?
28:49 Speaker 03 No, because what it did for the company was insane. I mean, you can't buy that kind of marketing overnight. It just catapulted us to the next level and it just, it set Uncommon James up honestly to something I never even could have imagined. And so, and still, I mean, we continue to grow and, and I really do think it's because of the show initially. I really do. So, no.
29:13 Bunnie XO? No, I agree. I couldn't agree more. No, I mean, what is it? What do they say? All news is good news?
29:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, all press is good press.
29:19 Bunnie XO? Exactly.
29:19 Speaker 03 Like, fuck it. Which sometimes is hard to, hard to wrap my head around, but yeah.
29:23 Bunnie XO? We're learning, yeah, we're learning that now. We're new into the, the fame thing. So there's a couple, like, we go viral for some things that we've said in like 2020 and it's like, we're not even, we're not even those fucking people anymore.
29:35 Speaker 03 Exactly.
29:35 Bunnie XO? You're like, let us grow, let us grow. But the internet, well, man, that will just hold you to who you were at that moment in time.
29:41 Speaker 03 They hold on to everything.
29:42 Bunnie XO? Yeah. And they like to bring it back and rerun it. And you're just like, what is fucking happening?
29:47 Speaker 03 God, I know. Like, let's see you five years ago, what you were doing.
29:51 Bunnie XO? Literally, let's, let's shake those skeletons.
29:53 Speaker 03 Let's go there.
29:54 Bunnie XO? Yeah, for sure. Where do you get the inspiration for Uncommon James? Like, for the jewelry? And you have clothes too, correct?
30:01 Speaker 03 So we do, we're primarily jewelry and actually now we have skincare. We've got merch, like, we've got sweats and t-shirts and shit. Yeah, but I wouldn't say we do clothing. But so for the jewelry, it just depends. I find that whatever's kind of going on in my life is where I'm pulling inspiration from. So I mean, you know, like during COVID, it was like, I was doing a collection about adventure, like when we could, you know, when the world started opening up again, like what we would be doing, like a daydreaming collection. I was in Greece this past summer and that inspired a whole collection. So it just kind of depends on whatever's happening in my life.
30:32 Bunnie XO? I love that. So it's like just little glimpses of where you're at in your life.
30:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
30:36 Bunnie XO? You'll be able to look back on your collections and be like, okay, I did this when I was here. And oh, I did this when I was with this person. And like, yeah.
30:43 Speaker 03 Well, and so my daughter is a sailor. She has a collection coming out in, I think it's April, but we designed it last New Year's, actually, when we were at the beach. And so like, and that's really sweet. And it's all, you know, this beach theme and stuff. So yeah, it is, it is kind of like a little scrapbook in a lot of ways of like, yeah, what, where I was at in my life. It is fun.
31:02 Bunnie XO? I love that for you.
31:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
31:03 Bunnie XO? Moving on to the very Cavallari drama that had happened, you had your best friend, Kelly Henderson, on the show. You guys had been friends for a really long time, correct?
31:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, we had known each other. Well, actually, we met in 2010 when Jay and I started dating, but we didn't become close until a couple of years later. But yes, I mean, we definitely were friends for a while.
31:24 Bunnie XO? What happened on the show? Was that, was it a storyline or was that really unfolding?
31:31 Speaker 03 No, that was real. So, so what happened was, um, so I think it was season two. People started saying that it seemed like Jay and Kelly were having an affair.
31:44 Bunnie XO? Right.
31:44 Speaker 03 And I actually was completely oblivious to any, any of that. But then I remember being like, wait, what the fuck? And like really starting to pay attention to it. And I was like, I never once thought that anything was going on. I, I stand by that. I don't, I don't think anything happened. But my issue was how Kelly was handling it and adding fuel to the fire and sort of taking advantage of it for her own benefit. And I said something to her and it just blew up in my face. I mean, I will always stand by the fact that if a friend came to me and said, hey, listen, here's how your actions made me feel. I would go, holy shit, that was not my intention. I am so sorry. Let's talk about this.
32:27 Speaker 03 And this is relationships too. But when people can't take any accountability and turn it around and throw it in, in your face, like I don't, I can't do that. You know what I'm saying? And I've had a lot of experience with that. That's actually like a huge thing for me moving forward with all of my friendships, relationships, whatever, is accountability is so fucking huge.
32:47 Bunnie XO? Yes.
32:47 Speaker 03 And it's really hard for a lot of people.
32:49 Bunnie XO? Preach it, sister. Clip that, Jason.
32:51 Speaker 03 Clip that.
32:53 Bunnie XO? That's a good one.
32:54 Speaker 03 That is a good one. But it's, I just, I'm at a point in my life where, because there's no, I can't do anything with that then, right? Like this is how I feel. And if you can't acknowledge that, well, then I don't, I can't move on.
33:07 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
33:07 Speaker 03 So, um, that's basically what happened.
33:40 Bunnie XO? So the rumors were that they were having an affair. You never once thought like this is possibly true. Like where does a rumor like that come around from?
33:49 Speaker 03 Well, it was because of how she was with him. She definitely, uh, she was crossing the line and and then like the way she would talk about him on social media. It was just, it was always adding fuel to it where I was like, wait, what the fuck is actually going on? But no, I really, I really don't think anything happened. I mean, fuck, I don't know, to be honest with you. Like, do I know for sure? No. And Jay used to trash her, which I now sort of think if a guy is trashing a girl, it's because there's
34:18 Bunnie XO? 100%
34:18 Speaker 03 probably something going on. Um, and I did
34:21 Bunnie XO? Did you ever confront him? Like, hey, is this really going on?
34:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, he walked, you know, hand in hand with me during that whole thing, but you know, uh, when you're dealing with a pathological liar, it's hard to know what the fucking truth is. There are things from my marriage that I will never know. And I've just sort of had to let that go. You know what I mean? It's, I'm, I'm over it now and I can, that's why I can probably talk about it so freely, but
34:48 Bunnie XO? Such an amazing, uh, thing for you to say though, that you can talk about it freely now because there's a lot of women who have gone through divorces also that never got the apologies that they deserved.
34:59 Speaker 03 Oh, well, and a lot of times you won't. I never did. And I never will.
35:03 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
35:03 Speaker 03 But you have to do it for you. You know what I mean? You have to forgive them. And because at the end of the day, people who are lying to you or who are cheating or whatever the situation may be, that's because they're hurt.
35:15 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
35:15 Speaker 03 That's about them. Like, that has nothing to do with me. And so when you can get to that place and almost have empathy for those people and realize how much they're struggling, like it's, it's not about me. So I, I forgive
35:27 Bunnie XO? Big of you.
35:28 Speaker 03 Kelly, I forgive Jay for anything that he did. Like I just, anyone in my life, my dad even, I've, I have empathy for my dad because I understand why my dad is the way he is. I can have empathy and forgive these people and still not have them in my life. You know, those two things can coexist.
35:43 Bunnie XO? If Kelly, has Kelly tried to apologize to you?
35:46 Speaker 03 No. And in fact, I saw her one time at the airport and she fucking bolted. I was like, I could give you a big hug right now and be like, whatever, you know, like, I don't hold grudges. But that just tells me she hasn't worked through it. She's still holding on to that. So.
35:59 Bunnie XO? That's, that's rough, man. Because it, it, it also, at the same time, makes her look really guilty. Like, of something, like, why can't you just face me? Like, I'm not even with this dude anymore. Like, let's never let a man get in between a friendship type of situation. Girl code.
36:13 Speaker 03 Girl code. Like, what? That is like, I can't even wrap my head around that. Yeah.
36:20 Bunnie XO? So, you're, you are on this TV show. You know, you're doing your last hurrah with reality TV, as you said. And then, you know, all this blows up. What happened with Shannon Ford? Are you guys friends now?
36:34 Speaker 03 I've seen her. Yeah, we're, we're totally cool.
36:36 Bunnie XO? You guys are good now? Okay, because I remember that was a whole thing, too.
36:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:39 Bunnie XO? Um, you're going through all of this, and then you and Jay are headed for divorce. You guys get this divorce. What, how are you feeling in that moment? Like?
36:48 Speaker 03 Oh, that was such a crazy time. I felt so many different things.
36:54 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
36:55 Speaker 03 I mean, it was everything from such a weight being lifted to feeling like I could finally breathe.
37:02 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
37:02 Speaker 03 To being so fucking devastated that I, that I was tearing up our family. You know, obviously, coming from divorced parents, the last thing I ever wanted was a divorce. So, and, and I won't lie to you, that still will creep up once in a while. Christmas, I felt that. I got really sad Christmas Eve because I was like, it just sucks that we're not together as a family. I don't want to be back with Jay at all, but it's that, that family unit, you know? That bums me out sometimes.
37:31 Bunnie XO? Do you guys think you could ever do a Christmas together eventually? How are you guys co-parenting right now?
37:36 Speaker 03 Um, it's, it's been so up and down.
37:40 Bunnie XO? Well, I should, not shocking, because, I mean, we've seen Jay's behavior.
37:44 Speaker 03 Zero fucking consistency, which is really hard.
37:48 Bunnie XO? Yeah, you poor baby.
37:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's not been easy, to say the least. Um, you know, we sat together at a basketball game earlier in the year, and I was like, holy fuck. This is the best thing that's ever happened.
38:02 Bunnie XO? You're like, I'll fucking take it, the bare minimum.
38:04 Speaker 03 Jesus Christ, we made it. Wow, we can sit next to each other. Um, and we haven't sat together since, so I'm fucking up.
38:12 Bunnie XO? Jay, come on, baby.
38:13 Speaker 03 What the fuck?
38:14 Bunnie XO? Let's get it together.
38:15 Speaker 03 It's a, it's a bumpy road. So I'm gonna say probably no Christmases together, which is fine. And to be honest, that's not even what I want. It's, you know, it's just, um, I think when you go through a divorce and you have kids, like there are those moments where you're like, it's a bummer just because you don't want that. But there's also a lot of good, of course, that came out of that. And I think even for my kids, you know, it's gonna make them stronger. Like there's, I could list a thousand things of why it's positive. But I do have those moments. But, um,
38:47 Bunnie XO? In that moment, uh, you know, going through the divorce, just wrapping a reality show, like, how are you feeling? Like even getting back into like the dating scene.
38:56 Speaker 03 That was easy for me. I was like riding a bike.
38:59 Bunnie XO? We're gonna get there, baby. We're gonna get there, sister.
39:03 Speaker 03 Well, you know what it was? I think so. I actually immediately started dating someone and then I went from that to another thing immediately. And so for the first year, I was like, woo, having fun. I'm free. I'm dating. I'm like getting my spark back, like just fucking loving life, quite honestly. And then Jay and I actually went on a couple of dates. Um, yeah, we went on a couple of dates, trying to see if like, cause ah, man, it's fucking hard. And then I think unless you've gone through this, especially with a toxic marriage, it's like, it has this hold on you. And until you can like,
39:37 Bunnie XO? A trauma bond, almost.
39:38 Speaker 03 It's a fucking trauma bond. And until you can really break that, I would go back a couple of times and be like, but I know it's not right, but like, why am I doing it? So we did, we went on a couple of dates. And then after I finally, you know, for the 18th millionth time was like, I can't do this. Um, then I really did the work. And then it like, I had lonely times. I had sad times. It was really hard for me then to meet someone. Like I dated, but I didn't meet anyone that I liked for a really long time.
40:06 Bunnie XO? Because you're in the process of healing and you're just like, ew, like you get the ick so easy.
40:10 Speaker 03 So easy, which is a good thing, you know? Um, but yeah, then I, then I had to really, you know, get real with myself and do the healing journey. So it was, it was good.
40:21 Bunnie XO? What's a wellness like ritual that you do for yourself, like to ground yourself?
40:26 Speaker 03 I mean, I really do love meditating.
40:28 Bunnie XO? Me too.
40:29 Speaker 03 I don't do it as much as I would like to, but when I do it, it's fucking powerful.
40:33 Bunnie XO? I just started doing sauna.
40:35 Speaker 03 Yes. Do you meditate in the sauna?
40:37 Bunnie XO? That's my new thing.
40:37 Speaker 03 That's what I do.
40:38 Bunnie XO? I just started doing it.
40:39 Speaker 03 It's the best.
40:40 Bunnie XO? It's the best because you can't take your phone in there.
40:42 Speaker 03 Yes.
40:42 Bunnie XO? Like I just set mine outside and I just kind of like sit in there for a half hour and just zone out.
40:47 Speaker 03 It's the best.
40:48 Bunnie XO? And you feel so good after you do it.
40:50 Speaker 03 Well, they say it literally changes your vibration, like it literally, you know, yeah, so I do love it. What else do I do? I actually have these oracle cards too. I like pulling oracle cards.
41:01 Bunnie XO? Oh, I love that for you.
41:02 Speaker 03 It's just kind of fun. I got tarot cards too. I think I'm like a fucking medium all of a sudden.
41:06 Bunnie XO? You're like our little gypsy over there.
41:08 Speaker 03 Like reading them for all my friends.
41:10 Bunnie XO? I would let you read my tarot cards.
41:11 Speaker 03 I would love to read your tarot cards.
41:13 Bunnie XO? Dude, let's do it. We'll have to do that. Like I'm coming over for dinner just so you can read my tarot cards.
41:19 Bunnie XO? So you've written books, you've built businesses and you're raising a family. How do you define success for yourself these days?
41:27 Speaker 03 I love that question. Success, I think, is inner peace, quite honestly, like period. It's that simple, but I think.
41:35 Bunnie XO? There's no, there's no, peace is priceless.
41:38 Speaker 03 That's the thing. And I think, you know, what we were talking about earlier, like when your whole life has not been peaceful, I value it so much. And I've, I feel lucky because I've gotten to a place where I've been able to sort of like curate my life to be exactly what I want. You know, the, my podcast that I'm doing, Uncommon James, everything's on my terms. I'm my own boss. I can work when I want to work. My kids are always my priority. And if I want to take a week off and go fuck around, I can. And that for me is heaven. So I feel very, very lucky.
42:09 Bunnie XO? You're like a phoenix that rose after that, you know, that rises through the ashes.
42:13 Speaker 03 Phoenix rising. Yeah. Thanks. That's how I feel.
42:16 Bunnie XO? No, listen, girl, you're a warrior and you know, real recognize real. I get it, man. It's when you go through so much like just tragedy and bullshit in the beginning of your life, all you want now is peace. Like you can ask my girls, I don't fucking even want, if it's not fucking me feeding me or financing me, I don't fucking care.
42:35 Speaker 03 Amen, baby.
42:36 Bunnie XO? About what the fuck has you got going on? You want to come to me with some bullshit? Take it elsewhere. I do not care.
42:41 Speaker 03 No time for that.
42:43 Bunnie XO? So, you know, after the divorce, you said that it was really easy for you to start dating.
42:48 Speaker 03 Here we go.
42:51 Speaker 03 I love that little smile on your face.
42:53 Bunnie XO? Cause you already know what's coming, baby.
42:55 Speaker 03 Let's go, let's go.
42:57 Bunnie XO? So was one of those men happened to be Morgan Wallen?
43:00 Speaker 03 How did I know?
43:03 Bunnie XO? Because you dropped a bomb and the entire internet went insane. What was your, was your friend Justin Anderson?
43:10 Speaker 03 Our suspect video.
43:11 Bunnie XO? Yes.
43:12 Speaker 03 Oh, God.
43:14 Bunnie XO? Can we elaborate on this? Because you know, and I have to, I have to navigate this.
43:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, you guys know Morgan?
43:21 Bunnie XO? Well, see, here's the thing. I've seen Morgan numerous times. I've only hugged him. I've never had a conversation with him. My husband and him are friends and they love, my husband is like, that's my bubba.
43:30 Speaker 03 He's a good, yeah. And he, Morgan's a good guy. I do, he has a big heart. He really does.
43:35 Bunnie XO? He's a playa from the Himalayas.
43:37 Speaker 03 Thousand percent.
43:37 Bunnie XO? The amount of women that have sat on my couch that have been with Morgan Wallen is crazy.
43:41 Speaker 03 He's been with every woman on the planet. So that, and that was the thing.
43:44 Bunnie XO? He should, he's single.
43:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, he absolutely should. I mean, yeah, yes. I definitely hung out with Morgan. Morgan is, he's very sweet. Here's what I'll tell you is the first date that we went on, he was a true gentleman. And he was like, I'll pick you up. I'll pick the place. Like just fucking handled business. He came and picked me up. He met my kids. My kids were so excited.
44:09 Bunnie XO? Aww.
44:10 Speaker 03 It was so cute. We, he got us a private room. You know, he had like his bodyguard and whatnot and dropped me off. He kissed me in the rain and it was like the sweetest thing. And then we hung out thereafter and it was, I will say, it was a very,
44:26 Speaker 03 that was up and down too. It was just like, it was a lot. Yeah.
44:32 Bunnie XO? They always say you'll find the same person in different bodies.
44:35 Speaker 03 So that's true. But yeah, I love Morgan. I haven't talked to him in probably a year. But I, I have nothing but good things to say about him.
44:43 Bunnie XO? Was he romantic?
44:50 Bunnie XO? I've heard he's great in bed.
44:52 Speaker 03 He was good in bed.
44:54 Bunnie XO? We got another one to confirm. Another one has Morgan. You slay brother, slay. And we are in no way.
45:02 Speaker 03 God.
45:03 Bunnie XO? You know, Morgan's gonna be hitting up Jay like, can you please tell your wife to never talk about me on her podcast again?
45:08 Speaker 03 Only for you, buddy. Only for you.
45:10 Bunnie XO? I appreciate it. So, but you did say, and I do, I, we have to bring this up. You did say that he hurt your feelings.
45:18 Speaker 03 Justin said that. Yeah.
45:19 Bunnie XO? Okay, Justin said that.
45:20 Speaker 03 Justin said that. So, Morgan, so, okay. Oh, God. I'm so sorry, Morgan. He didn't hurt my feelings. It's more, I'll be honest with you. Morgan was the first guy in my entire fucking life that wasn't like, just completely enamored with me. And I was like, what in the fuck is going on? It really threw me.
45:43 Bunnie XO? Yeah, because you're used to people like worshiping.
45:46 Speaker 03 I'm used to guys being like crazy where I'm like, eh, whatever.
45:49 Bunnie XO? Well, it's probably because he has 20 other girlfriends.
45:51 Speaker 03 Exactly. Exactly. He was busy. And so, um, yeah.
45:58 Bunnie XO? Allegedly.
45:58 Speaker 03 Allegedly. Allegedly. But yeah, so it was one of those things where I was like, why do I keep going back to this guy when it's just like?
46:07 Bunnie XO? It's trying to get the approval of your father.
46:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I love having the upper hand. And I feel like with him, I didn't have the upper hand. And I was like, I'm gonna fucking get it.
46:17 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
46:17 Speaker 03 Never did. I will say, I walked away from him a couple of times and I was ultimately the one that ended it, but I never felt like I like, had him, you know? And yeah, the only time in my life. So it really fucked with me.
46:29 Bunnie XO? Yeah. Well, he has a reputation for being a bad boy.
46:32 Speaker 03 Hundred percent.
46:33 Bunnie XO? Lives up to it. I mean,
46:34 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
46:34 Bunnie XO? The dude's throwing fucking chairs off roofs, you know?
46:36 Speaker 03 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm, listen, I'm glad that didn't work out. I don't, I don't wanna be with Morgan. I love Morgan, but I don't wanna be with Morgan.
46:44 Bunnie XO? I feel like Morgan might be a stepping stone, you know, for like, finding your true love.
46:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:49 Bunnie XO? He's like the bad boy that you wanna play with. And then you just, you tuck him away and you put him in the past when you find the man that you love.
46:55 Speaker 03 At the time, quite honestly, I was like, I kinda just want a fuck buddy in Nashville.
46:59 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
47:00 Speaker 03 That's really hard to find here for some reason. And I wanted to make Morgan that, but it was just like.
47:04 Bunnie XO? Yeah, Morgan seems to be the guy that wants to step up to the plate to be people's fuck buddies.
47:08 Speaker 03 A great fuck buddy. The problem is honestly, he was on tour. He's so busy.
47:11 Bunnie XO? He's losing it over here. She knows so many girls that have been with him too.
47:15 Speaker 03 Even I do. And I'm like, God.
47:18 Bunnie XO? Morgan has needs a support group.
47:20 Speaker 03 No, literally, because everyone's heart is broken.
47:23 Bunnie XO? I know. Morgan, you're out here breaking people's hearts, man.
47:27 Speaker 03 Morgan, but he was so busy, honestly, that it was just like, why the fuck am I like, what are we doing? This is silly. So.
47:34 Bunnie XO? Yeah, just a stepping stone.
47:35 Speaker 03 He's and he was fun. Like, we had a good time. And so, you know, all good, all good.
47:39 Bunnie XO? Jason Statham.
47:41 Speaker 03 Statham.
47:42 Bunnie XO? Statham. How do I put it? Jason Statham.
47:44 Speaker 03 Jason Statham.
47:45 Bunnie XO? Where? How? That doesn't even seem like your type.
47:48 Speaker 03 Oh, my God, when I was, how old was I? I was probably like 21.
47:54 Bunnie XO? Mm hmm.
47:54 Speaker 03 Um, oh, he, I loved him.
47:58 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
47:58 Speaker 03 I mean, not really, but I know he, um, yeah, we were really good friends.
48:03 Bunnie XO? Is he tiny?
48:04 Speaker 03 Um, he's smaller than you would think.
48:06 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
48:07 Speaker 03 Like, they all are, though. You know what I mean? That's my issue with actors. They're never this like macho, like.
48:11 Bunnie XO? I feel like I'm bigger than every fucking person that I've seen on the big screen.
48:14 Speaker 03 I know.
48:15 Bunnie XO? Every time I meet him, and you're tiny. You are so tiny.
48:17 Speaker 03 You, but no, you are, but yes.
48:20 Bunnie XO? I'm a big back bitch and I'll take it.
48:23 Bunnie XO? I identify as a big back bitch and listen.
48:25 Speaker 03 Hardly.
48:28 Bunnie XO? They get so mad at me when I say it, but I'm like, bro, I'm a big back bitch. All right? No, stop it.
48:32 Speaker 03 No, but these guys, that's the thing. They're never what you want them to be. Ever.
48:37 Bunnie XO? And they wear lifts.
48:38 Speaker 03 I know. Yeah. So.
48:39 Bunnie XO? Did Jason wear lifts?
48:40 Speaker 03 Uh, no.
48:41 Bunnie XO? Okay.
48:42 Speaker 03 Well, maybe in the movies and shit. I don't know. But yeah, but no, but Jason is a, he's a great guy. He's a lot of fun.
48:48 Bunnie XO? Did you guys actually like date date or was it just more like a?
48:50 Speaker 03 A little bit. Yeah, we dated a little bit. Yeah. Um, no, he was, he was great. We had the same group of friends. So we started out as, as friends and then it just kind of escalated. But yeah, no, I, nothing but good things to say about Jason, too.
49:04 Bunnie XO? How long was it?
49:05 Speaker 03 God, I don't even remember. I mean, we, because we were friends at first. Um, God, this is so long ago. I would say maybe a year, but not like hooking up and dating. Probably a couple of months that that was going on. But yeah.
49:18 Bunnie XO? Let's talk about your, because we're gonna, we're gonna hop off your dating for a second.
49:24 Speaker 03 She's like, whoo.
49:26 Bunnie XO? Let's talk about this beef you have with the Kardashians. She's like, let's hop out of one frying pan into another.
49:33 Speaker 03 Fuck, okay, let's go there.
49:35 Bunnie XO? What is it about that family? Because I've had numerous people and they sponsor my podcast.
49:41 Speaker 03 I do their ads on my podcast too. And I'm like out there talking shit. They just renewed it for 2025.
49:47 Bunnie XO? Was asked too.
49:48 Speaker 03 Hey, if you want me to just keep talking shit, I will.
49:51 Bunnie XO? I love it. So I love that. You know, I think it's cool that they just don't care. They're like, you know what? We're gonna fucking just sponsor the podcast.
49:58 Speaker 03 I know, I know.
49:59 Bunnie XO? There's a lot of people who have sat on my couch that have different, different stories, but the same scenarios with this family.
50:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:06 Bunnie XO? It comes to a point where it's like, some of it can't be made up.
50:10 Speaker 03 No, I mean, I think the thing is, I feel like we're living in this time right now where karma is like really playing a role. And people are being held accountable on a big scale.
50:21 Bunnie XO? Yes.
50:21 Speaker 03 And I'm here for that. I fucking love that. And you know, mine really stems from, God, again, I mean, this is, I was probably like 22, 21 or 22. And well, I had known Scott Disick, same thing, same group of friends. We were always buddies.
50:38 Bunnie XO? You were with Brody Jenner, weren't you?
50:40 Speaker 03 I dated Brody. Brody was my first boyfriend in LA. Yeah. So, yeah, it was all that, that group of people. And Scott and Courtney started dating. That's how I met Courtney. I fucking loved Courtney. We were really good friends.
50:52 Bunnie XO? I could see you guys being like, you guys are kind of like the same personality.
50:55 Speaker 03 Very similar. Courtney was awesome. And they broke up. And I was doing something in Vegas, actually. And I went with a bunch of my guy friends. Scott happened to be one of the guys that came. Again, we were always just friends. Well, he was devastated about Courtney. And the next morning, we all went out. We had a good time. I was never even alone with Scott.
51:15 Bunnie XO? He was devastated about Courtney, but fumbled the ball. How many times?
51:18 Speaker 03 Well, exactly. I mean.
51:20 Bunnie XO? Men are always like the victim.
51:22 Speaker 03 Always the fucking victim. Like, maybe if you got your shit together, it would be a different story. But so the next morning, it was on like page six or something that Scott and I had hooked up. And I was like, what in the motherfuck? And my friend Stu was like, I know for a fact that was Scott. Who told them that, planted that to try to make Courtney jealous? Well, what do you know? That's in fact what happened. Courtney was really upset about it. And I remember being on the phone with Courtney, being like, Courtney, you know that that's not true. I would never fucking touch Scott. And. I don't know. She was like, well, I don't know. I just know I have sisters and I would never put myself in that situation.
51:57 Bunnie XO? Her sisters have allegedly been with.
52:00 Speaker 03 Right?
52:01 Bunnie XO? You know, like.
52:01 Speaker 03 I'm like, okay. And then, so they did end up getting back together and we, you know, we stopped talking. But, but I am like, Scott must have said it was true or something because all it would have taken was for Scott to be like, that's not true. And that was my issue too, because this was on the cover of every fucking tabloid. And I remember doing an interview, again, before social media, so it's not like you can go on and defend yourself.
52:24 Bunnie XO? And like clear your name.
52:24 Speaker 03 Yeah. So I remember doing an interview being like, that's not true. And all it would take is one of the Kardashians to be like, that's not true, for it to go away. But they wouldn't do that. And that's the part that pisses me off is like, they, I think they have no regard for anyone else other than themselves.
52:41 Bunnie XO? They don't really defend themselves either.
52:43 Speaker 03 I guess they kind of don't do that.
52:45 Bunnie XO? Yeah. Like, there's some times that there's accusations coming out about them and I'm waiting for one of them to speak up and they never say a fucking word.
52:51 Speaker 03 Well, I think, you know, talk about what we said earlier, they're in the camp of all press is good press for sure. Where I'm like, no, this is my fucking reputation and my name. I'm like, I didn't, I have an issue when something is so not true. If something comes out and it's true, I'm like.
53:05 Bunnie XO? Question your integrity.
53:06 Speaker 03 Yeah. But I'm like, I didn't fucking do that.
53:09 Bunnie XO? So that explains why you were so mad when Scott reached back out to you.
53:13 Speaker 03 So I go on my podcast and just was talking shit about the Kardashians, like nothing in particular, but just talking shit. And then Scott Disick DMs me after fucking 15 years or something. It's like, I miss you. We should hang out. It just felt so calculated to me. And this is what the Kardashians and a lot of people in Hollywood do is when you're out there talking shit, they want to shut you up. So it's keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And I don't play that game. It's so fake to me.
53:41 Bunnie XO? Do you feel like Scott is still under control of that family?
53:43 Speaker 03 Thousand percent.
53:44 Bunnie XO? Okay.
53:45 Speaker 03 I think so.
53:47 Bunnie XO? I feel like he's such a loose, he's like a loose cannon.
53:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, like. He is for sure, but I think at the end of the day, they definitely can kind of.
53:55 Bunnie XO? They run them in in their lives, that's for sure.
53:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, they do. Poor Rob.
53:59 Bunnie XO? Poor Rob has like disappeared. He's in obscurity.
54:03 Speaker 03 I was on Dancing with the Stars with him. He's the sweetest, but he's kind of, yeah. Where is Rob?
54:08 Bunnie XO? Oh, yeah.
54:09 Speaker 03 Is Rob okay?
54:10 Bunnie XO? Yeah, Rob, Rob, do the red, what is it? What is it? The Britney Spears does the Yellow Rose? Post a yellow rose if you need help.
54:17 Speaker 03 Exactly.
54:17 Bunnie XO? Poor Rob.
54:18 Speaker 03 I know.
54:19 Bunnie XO? All that estrogen too. It's gotta be just fucking insane.
54:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
54:23 Bunnie XO? So moving on from your beef with the Kardashians, because it's really not even beef. I think I feel like it's legit, like your feelings are hurt and Kourtney should have been a better friend to know that you would not do that.
54:32 Speaker 03 Well, and it's like, I honestly, I don't even really give a fuck, to be honest with you, but it's just that the fact that Scott was trying to slide into my DMs, I was like, oh, fuck off.
54:40 Bunnie XO? Yeah. But hey. You're like, look, an elephant never forgets and fucking, I remember everything.
54:44 Speaker 03 Exactly. And you don't want to fuck with someone who has a weekly podcast.
54:48 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
54:48 Speaker 03 You know that, like, I'll come out and say whatever. I'm also a loose cannon sometimes.
54:52 Bunnie XO? Let's talk about your podcast really quick. What is the name of your podcast? So people want to listen to it.
54:57 Speaker 03 Let's be honest. Um, yeah, it's, you know, wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. But it's, and it's a mix, you know, that's what I love is having creative freedom with, you know, Uncommon James and the podcast to talk about whatever I want to talk about. I mean, you get that. If one week I want to talk about, you know, fucking Scott Disick sliding into my DMs or interview a neurosurgeon.
55:16 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
55:16 Speaker 03 You know, like I have that freedom, which is really great and keeps it exciting for me.
55:19 Bunnie XO? I admire the fact that you can do podcasts by yourself.
55:22 Speaker 03 Thanks. Do you never do them?
55:23 Bunnie XO? No, I haven't mastered that.
55:25 Speaker 03 You would be so good at that.
55:26 Bunnie XO? I feel like nobody wants to hear me talk that much.
55:28 Speaker 03 Oh, that is not true. You would be so good at it.
55:31 Bunnie XO? I'd just be sitting here talking. I would probably, they'd be like, by the time I got done, they'd be like, does she have five personalities? Cause she literally made herself laugh and she couldn't stop laughing and then she got pissed off. Like what just happened? Like.
55:41 Speaker 03 It is, it's weird.
55:43 Bunnie XO? It might be bad for me.
55:45 Speaker 03 I remember when I started doing them, I was like, this is the most unnatural awkward thing on the planet. I'm just talking to myself. Like, it's weird. But it's a, it's a muscle. You, you would be so good at it, Bonnie. I feel like you should try it.
55:56 Bunnie XO? I don't know. Listen, if you guys see me talking to myself, it's because Kristen told me to do it.
56:02 Bunnie XO? So let's talk about the Montana boy.
56:04 Speaker 03 Okay.
56:05 Bunnie XO? Okay, because listen, I was fucking rooting for you, dude.
56:08 Speaker 03 You were so cute on TikTok.
56:10 Bunnie XO? I was because I was like, let this fucking woman live, bro.
56:14 Speaker 03 Thank you. I know.
56:16 Bunnie XO? What was the age difference?
56:17 Speaker 03 Thirteen years.
56:18 Bunnie XO? I mean, it's not terrible.
56:20 Speaker 03 I mean, you know, the thing is, I will stand by this. I still think age is just a number. And it was so interesting for me to see how up in arms people were because I was older and I'm the woman compared to how it is for men.
56:36 Bunnie XO? But Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher got away with it and they were the cutest thing ever.
56:40 Speaker 03 And there's so many people, talk about Jason Statham, I think he's like 20 something years older than Rosie. I mean, like, there are so many relationships out there and people don't bat an eye, but when a girl does it, that really pissed me off. I was like, what the fuck? Also, it's not like, I don't know, I think, so, okay, actually, here's my real opinion on it. This is what I think. I don't think people give a shit that I'm dating, that I was dating someone younger. I think it's that I can do whatever the fuck I want in my life. I'm out there doing what I want and a lot of people can't do that. And that's what's triggering for people.
57:14 Bunnie XO? Amen.
57:14 Speaker 03 Yeah. And so, yeah, it was fascinating for me to see that whole thing.
57:19 Bunnie XO? To see the reaction.
57:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
57:21 Bunnie XO? How did you guys meet? How did that come about? Did you, did you see him on TikTok and you were like, I want that one?
57:26 Speaker 03 Okay, yeah, literally I saw him on TikTok and I was like, fuck, he's so hot. But like, okay, that was that. And then like a couple of months later, he DM'd me on Instagram. And I was like, what the fuck?
57:37 Bunnie XO? You manifested that.
57:38 Speaker 03 I literally did. Yeah. And then, and then found out they were moving to Nashville. And I was like, well, fuck, if this isn't meant to be.
57:48 Bunnie XO? You're like, I mean, I just, I need to welcome home.
57:51 Speaker 03 I needed that fuck buddy. I was like, oh, this is not Morgan.
57:54 Bunnie XO? And listen, 13 years younger, you know, it's, it's gonna be good.
57:58 Speaker 03 There you go.
57:59 Bunnie XO? So how was you guys' relationship, if you could like sum it up in a nutshell?
58:03 Speaker 03 It was great, honestly. I mean, we did have a real connection. I don't want to minimize that at all. He's a really good guy. It was a beautiful relationship. I, you know, I have nothing bad to say. It was fun until it wasn't, you know, it was like.
58:21 Speaker 03 It just, um, I felt the age difference. It's like, no, no shit, no shock. Like, of course. And I get that, you know, everyone's like, oh, I fucking knew it. It's like, okay, but we all knew it.
58:32 Bunnie XO? Let me have fun.
58:33 Speaker 03 I was having fun.
58:34 Bunnie XO? It was, it's called a fling for a reason.
58:36 Speaker 03 Exactly. Like, am I supposed to marry everyone I date? Like, I don't understand. I was having fun. And I think people forget that the last five years have been my dating era. Like, I always had boyfriends. I met Jay when I was 23. I never was able to date and figure out exactly what I want and like, figure out myself through dating. And so that's what I've been doing the last five years. And that was really fun for me. It like, sort of.
59:01 Bunnie XO? It was a distraction, too.
59:02 Speaker 03 It was a distraction. It was really easy. It just sort of naturally fit into my life. I said this on my podcast, but you know, it's maybe selfish, looking back, but I didn't really have to bend for him in a lot of ways. He just kind of fit into my life. And with where I'm at in my life, that was really, it was perfect.
59:19 Bunnie XO? What you needed.
59:19 Speaker 03 It was what I needed. And, um, yeah, but Mark's a great guy and I have.
59:24 Bunnie XO? I never even knew his name. I just know him as Montana.
59:26 Speaker 03 I love you.
59:28 Bunnie XO? That's Montana boy.
59:29 Speaker 03 The Montana boy.
59:30 Bunnie XO? Anybody that talks to me about it is like, yeah, her and the Montana boy.
59:35 Bunnie XO? Did you, did you ever look around when you were with him and just be like, maybe, and this is not a diss to him at all. It's just, maybe this is too small for me because you know, you do have such a lore and like, you're an icon and not saying that he's, he, he won't be, but I mean, all he has right now is the shirtless TikTok videos.
59:52 Speaker 03 Yeah. And it's, I think it's a combination of, yeah, I mean.
59:56 Bunnie XO? That's not me being mean. I'm just trying to keep it real. He's beautiful.
1:00:01 Speaker 03 I think, you know, I think when you are young and you don't have life experience, coupled with maybe not a lot going on in your life.
1:00:09 Bunnie XO? Right.
1:00:10 Speaker 03 There's not a lot to talk about. There's not a lot to bring to the table.
1:00:14 Bunnie XO? They're just pretty to look at.
1:00:15 Speaker 03 Which can go for a minute, you know, that'll get you through for a minute.
1:00:19 Bunnie XO? No, I get it.
1:00:20 Speaker 03 Until it won't. And so, yes, I, um, I came out of it and was craving real, um, depth and emotional.
1:00:32 Bunnie XO? Intimacy.
1:00:33 Speaker 03 Intimacy.
1:00:35 Bunnie XO? You know, seduce my mind and then you can have my body. That's what I always say.
1:00:38 Speaker 03 Yeah. So now I'm like, really like in that mode of like, I want to learn something from a man. I want to like,
1:00:44 Bunnie XO? Yeah, teach me daddy.
1:00:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, daddy.
1:00:46 Bunnie XO? I love that.
1:00:47 Speaker 03 But this, but that's what I'm saying. Like it's fun. Like all this whole journey that I'm on is really fun and it's the evolution of me. And I'm figuring it out. And I love that. Like I had that as part of my overall story. Like, fuck yeah, I dated a 24 year old.
1:01:01 Bunnie XO? Was he ever insecure with like what he had going on and then what you had going on? Did that ever become an issue with you guys?
1:01:07 Speaker 03 Um, I mean, we have to remember too, we only dated for like seven months. So I think, um, but, um, no, I don't, I don't think that was an insecurity for him. Listen, I think he was sort of along for the ride. Like he was just like happy as.
1:01:23 Bunnie XO? He's like, I'm fucking Kristin Cavallari.
1:01:25 Speaker 03 Very content.
1:01:26 Bunnie XO? You can't tell me shit.
1:01:27 Speaker 03 Kinda, you know, um, so no, I don't think that was an issue.
1:01:32 Bunnie XO? Was he sad when you guys broke up?
1:01:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was, it was really hard. It was really hard. And it, um, it crushed me quite honestly, because I knew I was breaking his heart. And so, yes. Um, and actually it's been one of the harder breakups for me in the sense where like normally I'm like, I'm done. Great. I'm moving on. I never even think about the guy again. But I think I've had a lot of guilt about it and I feel really bad. And so.
1:01:57 Bunnie XO? Cause he's so sweet.
1:01:58 Speaker 03 He's so sweet. He really is so sweet. And, um, yeah, so that's been, it's been hard for me to like, let it go. And we've stayed in touch too. And I think that probably makes it harder as well.
1:02:09 Bunnie XO? Would you give it another old wraparound?
1:02:11 Speaker 03 No.
1:02:11 Bunnie XO? Give it a old wraparound.
1:02:13 Speaker 03 As much as I love, you know, getting between the sheets with him.
1:02:17 Bunnie XO? Look at her, she's all flailing with her neck. She's all excited.
1:02:21 Speaker 03 No, I have to just close that door.
1:02:23 Bunnie XO? She's like, no, I'm fucking healing. All right.
1:02:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know. We're in our healing process. No, I actually, I'm, um, I'm kind of dating someone else now.
1:02:31 Bunnie XO? Can we know who it is?
1:02:32 Speaker 03 I'm not going to say who it is and it's really new, but, um.
1:02:35 Bunnie XO? Is he in the spotlight also?
1:02:37 Speaker 03 He is a retired athlete, which I will tell you.
1:02:40 Bunnie XO? You love the athletes.
1:02:42 Speaker 03 Fuck, they love me, I think.
1:02:43 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
1:02:44 Speaker 03 They, they always find me.
1:02:45 Bunnie XO? I love that.
1:02:46 Speaker 03 But he's.
1:02:47 Bunnie XO? You're a wag.
1:02:48 Speaker 03 So I'm a fucking wag through and through. He's such a good guy and he really, it's new, but he checks all the boxes where I'm like, "Fuck, this is what I've been needing."
1:02:59 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
1:02:59 Speaker 03 So we'll see, we'll see. He's coming in a couple of days to stay with me.
1:03:01 Bunnie XO? Tell us who it is and we'll bleep the name out.
1:03:04 Speaker 03 Uh, okay, bleep it out.
1:03:06 Bunnie XO? Okay, I don't know who it is.
1:03:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's, he wasn't like a big, well, I don't know, I don't know, because I don't know athletes really that much. But, um, yeah, he retired a couple of years ago and he has so much depth and I just like love talking to him. He's 40.
1:03:19 Bunnie XO? Good.
1:03:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, he has kids. So yeah, we connect on so many different levels, which is awesome.
1:03:25 Bunnie XO? Is he cute?
1:03:26 Speaker 03 He's cute.
1:03:26 Bunnie XO? Mimi's over there.
1:03:27 Speaker 03 I'm gonna show you. Yes, but let me show you like real photos of him, not like fucking sweaty, sweaty hockey ones. The athletes never look good in their like,
1:03:38 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
1:03:38 Speaker 03 Their photos online. I'm always like, get them in like real, real life and they're so much better.
1:03:43 Bunnie XO? No, that's how I felt about, what was that one Raiders, the fire crotch?
1:03:48 Bunnie XO? He was so damn fine. I even told my husband, I think his last, Max Crosby. I was like, we saw him at a game and I was like, who's this? And I said, baby, my new, my, I texted my husband, I go, my new favorite number is I think 98. And that was his number and he goes, "Oh, you're Max Crosby, girl."
1:04:01 Speaker 03 He knew.
1:04:02 Bunnie XO? He knew. I love it. My husband was like, "Go baby, go."
1:04:06 Speaker 03 See, that's such a good relationship when you're just confident and secure. Like the fact that you can say that to him, I feel like all my ex-boyfriends would be like, "What? Oh my God, are you gonna leave me for him?" You know what I mean? Like that energy.
1:04:17 Bunnie XO? And yep, I've been in relationships like that and I refuse.
1:04:20 Speaker 03 I won't do it again.
1:04:21 Bunnie XO? It took me a long time when I got with Jay, um, to really understand the, the non jealousy because I came from such jealous relationships. And I used to get upset with him. I'm writing about this in my book, actually. And I used to get kind of upset with him, like, "Do you not love me? Like, why aren't you like fighting for me, fight over me?" You know? But I realized that's the toxicity in me,
1:04:41 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:04:41 Bunnie XO? That wanted that in him and he'd never, he never arose to that occasion.
1:04:45 Speaker 03 I love that.
1:04:46 Bunnie XO? And now I'm just like, God, I couldn't imagine being with a jealous human like that.
1:04:49 Speaker 03 Like I'll never do that again.
1:04:51 Bunnie XO? Never, never, ever.
1:04:52 Speaker 03 I love that for you. That's so nice.
1:04:54 Bunnie XO? You're, you're gonna find it too.
1:04:55 Speaker 03 I know.
1:04:56 Bunnie XO? You're too much of a beautiful woman to not have somebody see how fucking special you are.
1:05:00 Speaker 03 Thank you.
1:05:01 Bunnie XO? Yeah, it's coming, baby. I can feel it.
1:05:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, me too.
1:05:04 Bunnie XO? Let's talk about this home invasion that you were just rea- like you just recently started talking about it?
1:05:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, I haven't talked about it because honestly, my kids still don't know. And even when I talked about it on my podcast and it kind of, you know, hit the media and stuff, I was sort of sitting there like, fuck, is my oldest gonna say something to me? Because my, he's on, he has all the things, you know? My boys have phones and stuff, but he never said anything to me. So I was like, all right, hopefully, hopefully he dodged that bullet.
1:05:30 Bunnie XO? Yeah, we won't clip this.
1:05:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, don't clip this.
1:05:32 Bunnie XO? We won't.
1:05:33 Speaker 03 So it was actually, it was during 2020. So we were in the Bahamas for spring break. And we ended up being there for a month because it was when COVID hit. And I had all my uncommon James jewelry like laid out in my closet. And earlier in the day, our HVAC unit broke, so we had workers in the house fixing it. And okay. So Camden, my oldest and I, who this is almost five years ago. So he was like, what, six or seven? Don't make me do math on the spot, but um, he was sleeping with me that night. So we went to bed early. So I had no idea where anyone else was in the house. And I woke up to, the door was opening and the light from the kitchen woke me up.
1:06:14 Speaker 03 And I was so out of it. I honestly thought it was Jay. And thank God, because I go crawling on the bedroom floor. I go, what the fuck are you doing?
1:06:24 Speaker 03 And so this guy is like, oh, fuck, stands up, runs out. And I was like, holy fuck. He had a ski mask on, long black sleeves, black pants, like the whole nine.
1:06:34 Bunnie XO? Like while you're sleeping?
1:06:36 Speaker 03 Sleeping with my fucking baby in bed with me. So I think because, well, so then I'm like, holy fuck, but I didn't want to wake up Camden. So your instincts just kick in. But I'm like, fuck, I have to go out in this house and figure this out. And I have no idea where he is, or where Jay is, or the kids, or whatever. So. I grabbed my phone. I text Jay. I'm like, are you awake? No response because it's like 1 a.m. So I'm like, fuck, I go out in the house and I'm just like looking around. I go in another bedroom. No one's there. I go upstairs. Finally, I find Jay. As soon as I woke up Jay, I got really nervous. Like before that, I was like a fucking Navy SEAL, just like going like
1:07:12 Bunnie XO? Mama bear mode.
1:07:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, your instincts just kick in. And then once Jay woke up, I was like shaking and I got so scared. Long story short, it was one of the HVAC unit guys. He took all the cash that we had in a backpack, but we got it back. It was like a guy that worked at the resort that we were at.
1:07:27 Bunnie XO? And you wanted to go to the Bahamas.
1:07:29 Speaker 03 I know.
1:07:29 Bunnie XO? Not doing it.
1:07:30 Speaker 03 You know what's fucked up? I've been back to that resort since.
1:07:34 Bunnie XO? Bitch, bitch is like YOLO.
1:07:35 Speaker 03 Can't scare me, bitch.
1:07:38 Bunnie XO? I love that though. You're like, you know what? I'm gonna go back and just face it head on.
1:07:42 Speaker 03 Exactly.
1:07:42 Bunnie XO? Face your fears. Yeah.
1:07:43 Speaker 03 You know, yeah. And I so that's like one of those things that I won't tell my kids that until they're older. But unless, you know, I keep talking about it and they find out.
1:07:50 Bunnie XO? But it's crazy that you don't have fear from that, you know, because like that's, that's scary. You have fucking PTSD from that.
1:07:57 Speaker 03 I know. I'll tell you what. I don't know. I think even living in LA and stuff, I used to be so scared. Living in this little house that I had in West Hollywood, you know, you're on top of your neighbor, the whole thing. But living out here, I'm like 20 minutes from here, in the middle of nowhere, I'm on 130 acres. I feel so safe.
1:08:13 Bunnie XO? Yay.
1:08:13 Speaker 03 Like so safe. Again, it's just at peace.
1:08:16 Bunnie XO? Yep.
1:08:16 Speaker 03 And it's just a good feeling. I don't know. Yeah, I feel I've got German Shepherds. I've got a gun. I've got the whole thing. So it's like, I just
1:08:22 Bunnie XO? She said, bitch, I'm strapped with dogs.
1:08:23 Speaker 03 Don't, don't get it twisted. But I just, yeah, I feel really, really safe out here.
1:08:29 Bunnie XO? I love that.
1:08:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's a good feeling.
1:08:30 Bunnie XO? What does 2025 have in store for you?
1:08:33 Speaker 03 It's a good question. I hope to just continue to just kind of be where I'm at. I used to be such a planner and be like, I need to do X, Y, and Z this year. And I've gotten into this more of a headspace of just like letting life unfold. And that's not to say I don't have goals, you know, I'm going on a podcast tour. Like there are really fun things happening. But I'm just kind of like letting it all happen.
1:08:55 Bunnie XO? Yeah.
1:08:56 Speaker 03 So I don't, I don't know.
1:08:57 Bunnie XO? Whatever, whatever happens, happens.
1:08:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:09:00 Bunnie XO? Just letting the universe just come to you freely.
1:09:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:09:03 Bunnie XO? I love that.
1:09:04 Speaker 03 Thanks.
1:09:04 Bunnie XO? I love where you're at in life. I love the space that you're in. I feel like you've fought to be here and it's, you know, something to be proud of.
1:09:11 Speaker 03 Thank you. Appreciate that.
1:09:12 Bunnie XO? A lot of people don't figure it out and a lot of people, you know, victimize themselves or they, you know, Wallen and self pity and you're just out here being like, you know what? This has happened. I did this. I did this. I take accountability and I'm moving the fuck on.
1:09:26 Speaker 03 Well, because there's no growth in the victim mentality, you know? So yeah, you gotta take, take charge of your life. Like, that's what I would tell people. Take your life in your own hands and do the damn thing.
1:09:36 Bunnie XO? I love it. Yeah, I'm gonna be doing that with you in 2025. I'm planning like a birthday trip for me and I never do that. It's the first time I've celebrated my birthday and I can't even. She was shook, but I wanna go, but I wanna go out of the country. And so like, this year, I'm just kind of like, I have worked my ass off my whole life. I just wanna fucking kind of have fun this year.
1:09:56 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:09:57 Bunnie XO? I might even drink some alcohol, alright? And I've been sober since 2017, you know? So I'm like, look at Haley's, hey, I got, I drank a beer with Haley one night.
1:10:05 Speaker 03 Are you sober sober? Are you California sober?
1:10:07 Bunnie XO? No, I'm sober sober.
1:10:08 Speaker 03 Amazing.
1:10:09 Bunnie XO? I white knuckle through life, baby.
1:10:11 Speaker 03 Damn.
1:10:11 Bunnie XO? Yeah, no, it's brutal. It's brutal, but I had to, I had to do it for my spiritual and, you know, emotional healing that I had to go through.
1:10:20 Speaker 03 No, I get it.
1:10:21 Bunnie XO? When I hit 40, now I'm about to be 45, so I'm like, you know what? I've done the work.
1:10:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:10:25 Bunnie XO? Let me fucking just have fun.
1:10:26 Speaker 03 There you go. See, I love that. Good. You should. Go have some fun.
1:10:30 Bunnie XO? No, that's why I understand where you're at too, just letting things happen, so.
1:10:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, I love it.
1:10:34 Bunnie XO? Thank you for coming on the podcast.
1:10:36 Speaker 03 Thank you.
1:10:37 Bunnie XO? I appreciate you being here.
1:10:38 Speaker 03 I appreciate you so much.
1:10:39 Bunnie XO? We actually get to end the season with Kristen, right?
1:10:41 Speaker 03 Oh, hell yeah.
1:10:41 Bunnie XO? Yeah, so you're, you're like our season finale, baby. Going out with a bang.
1:10:46 Speaker 03 Yes, well, thank you.
1:10:47 Bunnie XO? Thank you. And tell people where they can find you if they don't know.
1:10:50 Speaker 03 So just Kristin Cavallari Instagram and TikTok and then Let's Be Honest, my podcast every Tuesday.
1:10:56 Bunnie XO? Yeah, you guys go check her out. You'll fall in love with her just like I did. Fucking 20, what is it in 2020? 2006?
1:11:03 Speaker 03 2004.
1:11:05 Bunnie XO? 2004, god, fucking crazy.
1:11:08 Speaker 03 20 years.
1:11:08 Bunnie XO? 20 years ago.
1:11:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's wild. It makes me feel old, but.
1:11:11 Bunnie XO? Insane. Thank you guys for tuning into another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next season. Bye.
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