Kristin Cavallari: Evolution of Me

This week, the one and only Kristin Cavallari is here, in all of her iconicness. Bunnie and this firecracker take a trip down memory lane, revisiting Kristin's wild ride as a reality TV sensation on Laguna Beach and The Hills, and her enduring reign as a Hollywood "it" girl. Kristin spills the tea on past flings like Morgan Wallen and the Montana Boy, and their big...hearts, navigating the dating scene post-divorce, and some behind-the-scenes drama from her show "Very Cavallari." Kristin also talks about building her thriving jewelry and skincare empire, Uncommon James and what's next for her in 2025 and beyond. Kristin:IG https://www.instagram.com/kristincavallari/?hl=en |Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lets-be-honest-with-kristin-cavallari/id1700725168 Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

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• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 1:01Bunnie XO?

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• 1:43Bunnie XO?

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• 2:28Bunnie XO?

  She was a Vegas girl. Bunny XO.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Jelly Roll's wife Bunny XO. Bunny XO. Talk to me about Bunny XO.

• 2:40Speaker 03

  She's one of the coolest kids.

• 2:51Bunnie XO?

  Is this thing on? Hi, babies. Welcome back to another episode of Don Blonde. My girl Kristin Cavallari is in the house, baby.

• 2:59Speaker 04

  Hi, I'm so excited to be here.

• 3:02Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I am so stoked to have you here. This has been a long time coming.

• 3:05Speaker 04

  I know. We've been talking about this for, I mean, months, months.

• 3:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, maybe it might even be a year.

• 3:10Speaker 04

  That's what I was gonna say. It might be. Yeah. So yay. So happy it's finally happening.

• 3:15Bunnie XO?

  Dude, you are an icon in your own right, dude. You have been around forever. And I don't think, like, I don't feel like the new TikTok people really know, like, your whole lore.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  I love you.

• 3:25Bunnie XO?

  You have, like, a lore to you. And it's like, people are just like, oh, Kristin Cavallari just came on the scene. I've seen comments like that. And I'm like, and they're like, who is she? And I'm like, how do you guys not know who Kristin is?

• 3:35Speaker 04

  I love when people comment, who are you? It's like, you're the one commenting on my page.

• 3:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  Get out of here.

• 3:40Bunnie XO?

  I'm the one who's going viral. Who the fuck are you? You know?

• 3:43Speaker 04

  It's so funny. TikTok is its own thing. I just did a voiceover to myself from Laguna Beach. And people thought it was like a real, like, in real time, like, I was just doing it.

• 3:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:53Speaker 04

  And some people obviously get it. But TikTok is, it's, yeah, it's, is it a younger generation?

• 3:58Bunnie XO?

  I, I, not on my FYP, but I, I feel like there's so many people that do use TikTok. That it's like, the age group is just so vast over there.

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know what for you pages I'm falling on, but it's like, it's such a mixed bag. It's either like Laguna Beach fans who have known me for 20 years, you know? Or these people are like, who the fuck is this chick?

• 4:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  So, yeah, I get, I get all kinds. Of comments.

• 4:20Bunnie XO?

  Well, let's get them familiar with you because I have an entire interview planned out for you because I there's just you have so much. So it's like, I just want to cover everything and I hopefully in this interview, people and podcasts, people will be able to get to get a sense and a feel for you of like everything that you've accomplished before you, you know, became on TikTok and was on Very Cavallari and all that stuff. So.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  All right. I love it. So let's dig in.

• 4:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, let's dig in. Let's take it back to the hills because that's where I fell in love with you. You had like this huge personality and you didn't take anybody's shit.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:53Bunnie XO?

  And I was like, who is this woman? How did that all come about? Because was it like a bunch of rich kids whose parents like sent them to casting agents or like, how did this even come about?

• 5:03Speaker 04

  So Laguna Beach or the hills?

• 5:04Bunnie XO?

  The hills.

• 5:05Speaker 04

  The hills.

• 5:06Bunnie XO?

  The hills was first, right?

• 5:07Speaker 04

  No, so Laguna Beach was first.

• 5:08Bunnie XO?

  Okay, Laguna Beach.

• 5:09Speaker 04

  Okay, so Laguna Beach. So I mean, literally it fell into my lap. I was going to high school. We all were just going to school. And MTV showed up one day and did an open casting call and how they were able to come to the school was the school initially was on board with it. MTV was paying the school. So they found all of us. And then of course, the parents freaked out and they were like, there's no way we can have cameras in these classrooms. So MTV was like, that's fine. We already found our cast. So what we would do is we would just film on the weekends. But it was right place, right time. It fell into my lap and it completely changed my life.

• 5:41Bunnie XO?

  That's insanity.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:43Bunnie XO?

  So you grew up in Laguna Beach or did you grow up in like?

• 5:46Speaker 04

  So I grew up all over. So a lot of people think I'm from Laguna, but I didn't move to Laguna until I was a freshman in high school. So I was born in Colorado.

• 5:53Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  Moved to Connecticut, moved back to Colorado. My parents got a divorce. I moved to a suburb of Chicago. And then I was getting into a lot of trouble. And so I ended up moving in with my dad, my freshman year of high school to Laguna.

• 6:06Bunnie XO?

  What kind of trouble were we getting into?

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Well, Bunny.

• 6:10Bunnie XO?

  Cause I need to hear this. Makes me feel better about my childhood.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  What's so funny is for so long, I was kind of ashamed of my childhood and then like my partying ways and stuff. And now I just fully embrace it, you know?

• 6:21Bunnie XO?

  That's what that's what made you the woman you are today.

• 6:23Speaker 04

  Exactly. But so I started smoking pot in eighth grade. I started drinking. I was sneaking out. Eighth grade. Yeah, I was young and so and my boyfriend Johnny at the time lived close and he would drive his golf cart over to my house and pick me up and we would just, I mean, just animals. I got taken home by the cops in eighth grade. It's like all your typical stuff.

• 6:45Bunnie XO?

  Who introduced you to drugs and that scene so early? Was it just like ditching, school, partying?

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Ditching school and just friends. Yeah, you know, it just, I think I was sort of drawn to that group of kids because I had a lot of trauma. And so, you know, my escape was to start drinking and doing drugs. And the only way I found a connection was with my boyfriend. I didn't have a connection at home. And so that was where I found it was with my boyfriend and through all of my friends.

• 7:14Bunnie XO?

  When you talk, when you talk about the trauma, can we touch base on that? Like, was it just a rough relationship with the parents?

• 7:22Speaker 04

  So my dad is a narcissist, typical narcissist.

• 7:26Bunnie XO?

  So is mine. I'm just dealing with my dad today, actually, and he died in May.

• 7:29Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 7:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, it's having a narcissistic father is so, it just, it's, you can't explain it unless you've gone through it or somebody can relate to it.

• 7:39Speaker 04

  Because there's so many layers to it. It's so complicated.

• 7:42Bunnie XO?

  It's disgusting.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  It really is disgusting. I actually cut my dad out of my life a couple of years ago, which is the best thing I've ever done, quite honestly. I feel like it was the last thing I needed to do in my healing journey. And there was a period where I was like, I felt like, am I going to have bad karma if I cut him out of my life? And am I going to have to like, come back in another lifetime and have to like, you know, work through all the same shit again? And I actually had a medium say to me, she was like, no, actually, that was like, what you came to do in this lifetime was to be able to stand up for yourself and set boundaries and cut him out of your life.

• 8:13Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my God.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  Okay, that made me feel so much better. Yeah, just validated everything. But anyways, so, so I had a narcissistic dad growing up and then parents divorce, stepfamilies, some sexual trauma with a couple of different guys in my life and just, you know, it's just like one thing after another. And so, yeah, I was just looking for any kind of, any kind of connection and outlet as well. So that was why I kind of, you know, went down the path that I did.

• 8:44Bunnie XO?

  They say that children who are born Capricorns normally have issues with the mom. So for you to have issues with you, I wonder what your moon sign is.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Well, okay, I don't know which one is moon and which one is, uh, what's the other one?

• 8:59Bunnie XO?

  Venus.

• 8:59Speaker 04

  Venus. So I'm cancer and Aries, but I don't know which one is which.

• 9:04Bunnie XO?

  I could see you being an Aries moon because I'm an Aries moon also.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 9:07Bunnie XO?

  So you might have, I don't know, we'll do your chart.

• 9:09Speaker 04

  I'll, I'll have to text you.

• 9:10Bunnie XO?

  Okay, fine. I'll get, I'll get your number and we'll, or we can do it on the podcast. I don't even care.

• 9:14Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 9:14Bunnie XO?

  Do you, Mimi, do you know how to look up the birth charts? Well, yeah, will you look it up?

• 9:18Speaker 04

  Oh, fine.

• 9:19Bunnie XO?

  Just give, um.

• 9:21Speaker 04

  I was born at, and I was born at, I think, PM.

• 9:26Bunnie XO?

  A nighttime baby. I was a fucking, an AM baby and I, I can, I'm a night owl.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 9:34Bunnie XO?

  I can, isn't that crazy? Like I came in the world AM and you will never catch me up at 6:30 AM ever.

• 9:39Speaker 04

  That is hilarious. Yeah.

• 9:41Bunnie XO?

  Ever, dude. Uh, while she's looking that up, we'll continue, but isn't it crazy though, that like so much happens in your early life? And it's like you, you don't know how to deal with it and you carry it so deeply. So it comes out in other ways, which was of course for you was the partying and stuff like that.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. I know. I think everyone is the way they are because of their childhood. This is like my favorite conversation.

• 10:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  You know, because I just think, and I think a lot of people, they don't take the time to actually look inward and really work through their trauma and figure out why they are the way they are.

• 10:13Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  And I feel like that's been my whole fucking life, basically is like having to like figure it out.

• 10:18Bunnie XO?

  Breaking generational curses. Literally, that's me too. Same.

• 10:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. And finally I'm about to turn 38 and I finally feel like I'm in a good place with everything and have a good handle on it, you know?

• 10:27Bunnie XO?

  I'm so glad you got ahold of it early because I didn't want to start dealing with my shit till I hit 40. And when I tell you I hit 40 years old, I had the most crazy depression. Like it, like, it's like you can be so strong your entire life and then it's that one day that you just wake up and everything fucking hits you like a brick wall.

• 10:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:46Bunnie XO?

  So the fact that you have gotten ahead of it is just amazing. I'm so proud of you for doing that.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  I mean, I've always said, I feel like the first, the first half of my life was just. Just like thing after thing, just like, it was just a lot. And now I'm hoping that I'm setting the second half, second half of my life up to just be fucking chill. Relax and be able to just enjoy my life.

• 11:08Bunnie XO?

  Do you think all that trauma that you had was why you were so fierce on Laguna Beach in the hills?

• 11:15Speaker 04

  I think it definitely played a role. And I think always being the new girl and moving around constantly, I was able to be put in any situation and it was like sink or swim. And I figured out how to survive, you know, and how to make the most of it. So I think I naturally sort of had this tough exterior, this like take no shit attitude, but I also was able to figure out any situation you could put me in. So I think the combination, yeah, is what made me this like, you know, fucking firecracker.

• 11:43Bunnie XO?

  I love that though. And that's what you were known for. And that's literally why people fell in love with you. Because, you know, back then we didn't have a lot of like strong personalities like that on TV.

• 11:51Speaker 04

  Well, I got a lot of hate for it at the time. And now it's interesting because people are like, wait a minute, maybe Kristen wasn't the villain. Fuck, 20 years later, I'll take it.

• 12:03Bunnie XO?

  I, you know, and I'm, I don't want to talk shit about her, but Lauren always rubbed me the wrong way. And I was just like, I don't know. Like, it just seems a little too manufactured. Like, it just didn't seem real to me. But you always came across as authentic.

• 12:15Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 12:16Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like because you were always the, you know, fierce one and the one to speak up and the one to fight back, do you feel like people didn't really get a sense of who you really were because of that?

• 12:27Speaker 04

  Hundred percent. And I think that was the thing. Laguna Beach showed one side of my personality. And I mean, you know, we're all, we have so many different sides to our personality. And so, you know, people, because I do have a very soft side too. And of course, as I've gotten older and became a mom and everything, I've really honed in on that. But even back then, I mean, I did as well. And I still have that, that, you know, take no shit side to me. But when that's the only thing they're showing, yes, I mean, you can't really get to know someone. And it's interesting because Stephen and I actually did a Back to the Beach podcast. So it was a rewatch podcast and we went back and it was. The first time I had seen it and since it aired and at the time I remember being like MTV fucked with me so hard.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  And I thought it was unfair and then going back and rewatching it and talking to everybody. I was like, oh no, they fucked with everyone. Like they did, what they did to me, they did to every single cast member, even you know, Lauren, they only showed one side of her personality too. Steven, the same thing. And so I, I walked away from that being like, it just, it was what it was. And I was so mad about it for so long, but it was a nice way to kind of like wrap that up and be like, it wasn't just me. I wasn't the victim in that situation. Like it happened to us all.

• 13:39Bunnie XO?

  Ah, that's, that's actually a really cool perspective though, because most people would internalize that and be like, I was picked on and victimize themselves. And you were like, no, actually they did it to everybody. So you guys didn't have any control of what was getting put out there.

• 13:51Speaker 04

  Nothing, nothing.

• 13:53Bunnie XO?

  I feel like reality TV back in the day did that to everybody. Like you signed your life and rights away as a human. And what they wanted to present you as was what you were going to be known as.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  Yep, I know because you know, it was one of the first reality shows. So we didn't know what we were signing up for.

• 14:09Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 14:09Speaker 04

  And you know, even things like they would have us just record wild lines, just lines and they could splice them in wherever they wanted. And so in a sense, I mean, we kind of had an idea of what they were doing because we're like, well, obviously I didn't say this, but you're having me say it on into a microphone. So you're clearly going to use it somewhere. So we knew that they were manipulating it to a degree. But until we actually saw it, we had no idea what was going on.

• 14:33Bunnie XO?

  And you guys were kids.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  I was 17.

• 14:36Bunnie XO?

  Did your guys' parents have any say so in any of that?

• 14:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, our parents had to sign off on it. My mom had a lot of reservations, but I wasn't living with her at the time. So it kind of didn't matter. My dad was on board with it. So yeah, I know.

• 14:48Bunnie XO?

  Ah, but you know what? Look at where you are now.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  No, it's all good. It's all good. Yeah. I'm happy. I'm happy. My mom didn't stop it, you know, but it was, it was hard to deal with at that age just because it's hard enough being a teenager, you know? And then having your lives being manipulated when it's your real boyfriend, your real friend, it just gets really. Just really messy, quite honestly. So.

• 15:09Bunnie XO?

  Was it, how real was it though? Because you know, reality TV back then wasn't quite real. Didn't they give you guys plots and like, or was it genuine?

• 15:19Speaker 04

  Well, so Laguna Beach was more put us in situations and then kind of see what happens, knowing that a particular situation is gonna probably press my buttons or, you know, this is not the group of people I would normally hang out with, kind of a thing. Let's have Kristen's boyfriend go up to this other girl's house, even though they're dating. And so situations that they know is gonna piss us off.

• 15:41Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  But I don't think any show is 100% real. I think it's impossible to have a show. Even if you have cameras on you 24/7, like Jersey Shore, for example, they still have to edit it down into a 42-episode or whatever it is.

• 15:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, 30-minute episodes for.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Right. And so there's no way that something can be 100% real. You just, there's no way to capture all of that.

• 16:07Bunnie XO?

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• 17:46Bunnie XO?

  Um, we have your birth chart right here.

• 17:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 17:48Bunnie XO?

  So you are a Capricorn sun, you're an Aries moon, because I can see it in you.

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Oh, you were right.

• 17:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, totally.

• 17:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:54Bunnie XO?

  And you're a Capricorn rising, so your Mercury is Capricorn. Wait, yep, Capricorn.

• 18:00Speaker 04

  Why did I think I had cancer?

• 18:01Bunnie XO?

  Your Venus is Scorpio, ooh, so you're a lover.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 18:05Bunnie XO?

  You're a lover, baby.

• 18:06Speaker 04

  Where the hell did I get cancer from?

• 18:09Bunnie XO?

  You got a lot of Cap, you have a Capricorn stellium in you, baby. You have one, two, three, does she have three or four planets in Capricorn? Three planets in Capricorn, yeah, so that's a stellium.

• 18:19Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 18:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so you're a hardcore Cap, baby.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I could have told you that.

• 18:23Bunnie XO?

  But I could see the Aries moon in you, because I'm an Aries moon too, and we're just so fiery.

• 18:27Speaker 04

  Yes, okay, so the Aries is the fiery.

• 18:30Bunnie XO?

  Well, and Cap too.

• 18:31Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 18:32Bunnie XO?

  Cap is Earth, but also the Aries part of it too is just, it all, I'll have to sit down and explain birth charts too, because I'm super into that. But I just feel like astrology really tells people like who they are. It's like, it's a love language.

• 18:46Speaker 04

  Totally, I believe in all this stuff. I love it.

• 18:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, do you?

• 18:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:50Bunnie XO?

  We'll have to, I'll have to start sending you stuff, because I'm totally into that. So, moving on from the hills and all that stuff, are you friends with anybody still from the cast?

• 18:59Speaker 04

  I mean, I still talk to pretty much everybody, and the rewatch podcast kind of brought us all back together, which was really fun.

• 19:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  And I have my 20-year high school reunion coming up in the fall, and so I can't, I can't wait.

• 19:12Bunnie XO?

  Are you excited?

• 19:13Speaker 04

  I'm so excited.

• 19:14Bunnie XO?

  You're gonna be like the hottest one there, going back there?

• 19:16Speaker 04

  No, I don't know, everyone in Laguna Beach still looks really good, there's something in the water.

• 19:20Bunnie XO?

  I'm telling you, the west coast girls are just...

• 19:23Speaker 04

  It's true. That sunshine, baby, I do think it's good for you.

• 19:26Bunnie XO?

  I'm from Vegas, and we were always in Cali, like, we, Vegas girls and Cali girls, kind of like, we all just ran the same circles.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  We were always in Vegas, because it's so easy. We would, we'd have nights where we're like, let's just go to Vegas, fuck it.

• 19:38Bunnie XO?

  Half hour flight.

• 19:39Speaker 04

  Oh my God, it's so easy.

• 19:40Bunnie XO?

  You know how many coked out trips I took on a flight?

• 19:45Bunnie XO?

  Bro, being locked on a plane.

• 19:47Speaker 04

  We would drive too.

• 19:49Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I couldn't do it.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Let's just fucking drive.

• 19:51Bunnie XO?

  Fuck, three hours? I couldn't do it. Three and a half hours locked in a car?

• 19:55Speaker 04

  Oh, train wreck, yeah.

• 19:56Bunnie XO?

  Fucking cracked out of my mind. There's no, I've done it, but there's just, I could, now, I could never.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  Could never.

• 20:02Bunnie XO?

  No way.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 20:05Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I look back, we just got some pictures from my best friend who passed away. Her sister sent me a bunch of pictures of us and there's one of me in there that's like methed out. Girl, where are my eyebrows?

• 20:16Speaker 04

  I know. Well, I was the same way. I had no eyebrows. I've sucked them up forever now.

• 20:21Bunnie XO?

  I had to, you can see, no, your eyebrows look fucking good.

• 20:23Speaker 04

  Well, they're fitted.

• 20:24Bunnie XO?

  Mine are too, but yours look like you have hair. I can't even fucking grow a fucking eyebrow back.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Okay, you know what I'm gonna tell you? Castor oil. Do you ever put castor oil on them?

• 20:33Bunnie XO?

  I tried it on my belly button and it made me feel weird.

• 20:36Speaker 04

  I put it in my belly button too.

• 20:38Bunnie XO?

  I can't do it. It made me feel weird, so I get scared now. I'm so sensitive.

• 20:43Speaker 04

  I rub it all over my stomach.

• 20:44Bunnie XO?

  And it works for you? Do you love it?

• 20:46Speaker 04

  And I put it on my face too.

• 20:48Bunnie XO?

  So I tried to do the castor oil thing because I wanted to be like the castor oil girlies too. And it just made me, I woke up the next day. I'm such a sensitive, like, girly now because of all the fucking shit I did in my past.

• 20:58Speaker 04

  Well, yeah.

• 20:59Bunnie XO?

  So like now I can't, it's like I used to fucking snort eight balls and now I can't even use castor oil.

• 21:03Speaker 04

  Right?

• 21:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's fucked up.

• 21:05Speaker 04

  It is fucked up.

• 21:05Bunnie XO?

  No, it's fucking, it's bullshit, dude. Anyways, moving on from the castor oil packs. How did you take, so you did Laguna Beach, you did the hills, and then after that, did you want to stay in reality TV or was that more of like your exit out?

• 21:22Speaker 04

  I was like, get me the fuck out. And I think more than reality TV, just living in LA and feeling like I was, my life felt really claustrophobic because at that point I had paparazzi on me every single day.

• 21:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  So every time I wanted to leave my house, whether it be just run to Walgreens or whatever, I'd have to be like, fuck, am I gonna have to deal with this? And, you know, this is before social media, so the tabloid world was just ruthless.

• 21:49Bunnie XO?

  It was so bad back then.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  It was really bad. And I was on the cover of fucking every magazine, it seemed like every other week for Some bullshit I didn't do or like saying I need to go to rehab and all this shit. I just, I had sort of hit my wall. And I really wanted out of LA.

• 22:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 04

  It wasn't even so much like, it wasn't even, I wanted to be done with an entertainment career. I knew I wanted to be done with reality TV, but it was more like, I gotta get the fuck out of LA for my own sanity. And I actually met my ex-husband, um, a month after we wrapped the hills.

• 22:18Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow. So Jay came in that?

• 22:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:20Bunnie XO?

  Are we allowed to say his name?

• 22:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, we can totally say his name. Um, yeah, I met him when I was 23, a month after we wrapped the hills and it just sort of naturally got me out of LA, which was great.

• 22:29Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's how it was with Jay, when I met my Jay was literally, uh, it got me out of Vegas. If I would have stayed in Vegas, I would have killed myself.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  Right? That's how I felt like in LA.

• 22:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. It's kind of cool how, you know, when you really want something, how the universe just sort of delivers it when you're ready.

• 22:46Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. All you gotta do is ask and the universe will grab it.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 22:49Bunnie XO?

  So you meet Jay. How, tell, take me on that journey with you guys' relationship.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  So Jay, a year prior, I got a call from my publicist and he said that Jay Cutler wanted to fly me to Chicago and take me on a date. And I didn't know who Jay was, so I Googled him and I was like, I mean, I don't, I was like, whatever, I don't know. So I said no.

• 23:10Bunnie XO?

  I didn't know who Jay was till he was on your show.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  I love you.

• 23:13Bunnie XO?

  I knew who you were, didn't know who Jay was.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I said no. So, okay, fine. So a year later, I was visiting my mom, who happened to still live there. And I was going to a Bears preseason game with my cousin who was Bears obsessed. I totally forgot Jay even asked me out. My mom brought it up and my cousin was like, what the fuck? You're such an idiot. Jay's the man. You gotta go out with him. So I ended up getting us family passes to meet Jay after the game, thinking it was gonna make my cousin's life. I would probably never talk to this guy ever again. And he walked in and I was like, oh shit, he's cuter than I thought he was gonna be. And he-

• 23:46Bunnie XO?

  When he asked you out, how did he ask you out?

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Well, it was through my publicist.

• 23:50Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 23:50Speaker 04

  So it was never, we never had any interaction. So he walked in, he was really cute. He was very smart because he kinda like won my mom over, was talking to my mom the whole time. He drove us to our car and then he texted me immediately and he was- Like something about like, well, you gotta come back or something. And then I think I came back like a week later and then it was like, that was it. We moved really fast.

• 24:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I love relationships like that, though.

• 24:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:16Bunnie XO?

  You know, granted, you know, you guys have gone your separate ways, but I still feel like a moment in time, that moment in time was what you needed and it was like magical.

• 24:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. And he was, he was exactly what I was looking for at the time. And again, I mean, I was 23. I think I was a baby, you know, like hindsight is 2020. I don't regret a damn thing though. I mean, there's so much good that came out of our relationship and ultimately, not only did I get my kids and it got me out to Franklin, Tennessee and you know, all these great things, but it forced me to figure out my shit and grow up and do the work that I needed to do. And so I'm really thankful for that as well.

• 24:54Bunnie XO?

  What do you, what would you say was kind of, I don't want to use the word downfall because that's heavy, but what, what do you think was part of the reason for the relationship unraveling?

• 25:05Speaker 04

  Um, so, uh, Jay and I always had a tough relationship, even from the very beginning. And I think, um, I'm really careful about what I say, obviously, because we have three kids together.

• 25:20Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  But I think-

• 25:22Bunnie XO?

  And we can always cut things out.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, I just, I haven't talked about him in so many years. I've like, I made a vow. I was like, I'm done talking about him, but I'm happy to talk about it. It's just, I'm trying to think about like, the best way to say it because, you know, I think, um, it, things were just never good and we tried really hard. I will say, like, we really did everything that we could. And ultimately I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first. And especially as a mom and having these three little kids, I really wanted my kids to see me happy and see that I was making myself a priority and taking care of myself.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Um, especially now having a daughter too. I think that's so important.

• 26:11Bunnie XO?

  It is so important because I feel like when parents stay together and- They're miserable. That causes more fucking trauma for the kids.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  1,000%.

• 26:19Bunnie XO?

  Than just seeing healthy co-parenting.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Because what you're teaching your kids then is A, stay in something because you're fucking miserable.

• 26:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  And B, they have no idea now what a healthy relationship looks like. And it just, if you can't be your best self, that obviously trickles down to your kids and you take out your hurt and your sadness on your kids. It's just such a negative, toxic environment.

• 26:42Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  And, you know, as soon as I got out of my marriage, I remember even my mom saying to me like, shit, I had no idea how bad it was. But like, I was a shell of who I was and immediately I got my spark back.

• 26:55Bunnie XO?

  I love that for you.

• 26:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:57Bunnie XO?

  When you say that it was bad, was it just polar opposites or was it arguing? Like, what was it that was so bad?

• 27:03Speaker 04

  It was just, it was toxic, you know? And I think because I hadn't done the work with, on myself and.

• 27:09Bunnie XO?

  You were a baby too.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  I was a fucking baby. Like, I didn't know any better.

• 27:13Bunnie XO?

  How old was he when you guys got together?

• 27:14Speaker 04

  He was, um, I think he had, I think he was 28, 27 or 28.

• 27:20Bunnie XO?

  So you guys were both young.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  We were both young.

• 27:22Bunnie XO?

  Young love. I feel like the first, like the first love or the first young love like that where you get married or something like, is like toxic, you know?

• 27:30Speaker 04

  100%.

• 27:30Bunnie XO?

  You guys don't know how to fucking navigate life. I know how I was a fucking 23. I'm sorry to anybody whose paths had to cross with mine in that era of my life because I was just a shit show.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  Like, you shouldn't be allowed to get married before age 30, quite honestly.

• 27:45Bunnie XO?

  I agree.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  You shouldn't be allowed to. You don't know who the fuck you are at that age.

• 27:49Bunnie XO?

  Bro, I swear. I 100% agree.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  I know it. But yeah, but so the thing is, I was repeating a pattern with my dad, you know? And because I hadn't done the work on my relationship with my dad, that's what you do, you know? I ended up marrying my dad. And so it really forced me then to work through my shit, which is, which is what I did. So when we got a divorce, for the last almost five years, quite honestly, it's, I've really taken the time to like, get my shit together so that I don't then make the same mistake.

• 28:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  I don't want to say mistake. That's not the right word, but I don't want to be repeating that pattern.

• 28:23Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 28:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:25Bunnie XO?

  For sure. And they do always say that unless you do the work, you will meet the same person, the same human in different bodies until you learn that lesson.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  Over and over again.

• 28:34Bunnie XO?

  Over and over again. So what we saw of Jay on Very Cavallari, because when did Very Cavallari come into the picture? Did you start Uncommon James first?

• 28:43Speaker 04

  I did, but they were pretty close together. Very Cavallari must have been 2017, I want to say. Or is that right? Yeah, because we did three seasons and it ended in 2020. So yeah. Yeah, 2017.

• 28:57Bunnie XO?

  How did Uncommon James come about?

• 29:00Speaker 04

  So I had a shoe line with Chinese Laundry. Do you remember that?

• 29:04Bunnie XO?

  I do. I loved all their shoes.

• 29:06Speaker 04

  My brand growing up. So I had a shoe line with them and I loved it. But because I was doing shoes with them, I wanted to do something on my own. And I felt like jewelry was the next natural step. I love accessories. I think they make or break your outfit. So I, well, I had this fire in me to show everybody that I knew what I was doing in the branding world. Because with Chinese Laundry, at the end of the day, while I had final say, I didn't really, because it was a whole team of people. This is a well-established company. And I learned to trust my gut. I knew my customer. And so I had this fire in me of like, I'm going to show everyone that I know what I'm doing in the branding world. So I launched Uncommon James out of our house. And at the time, I was essentially a stay-at-home mom. Like, I did little things.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  I would host these big award shows, these pre-shows for E on the red carpets. But other than that, I was basically a stay-at-home mom. And so I just honestly wanted something to do also.

• 30:02Bunnie XO?

  And probably set yourself apart from the reality star.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 30:05Bunnie XO?

  You know, because you've grown. You've got a baby by now. You're married. It's like.

• 30:08Speaker 04

  I wanted like my own thing. Yeah. And so I launched it. And then I knew, because, you know, I had been offered a million reality shows. Obviously, like, you know, coming off of Laguna Beach and the Hills, I knew I could always fall back on that if I needed to. But I wanted to do a show similar to Vanderpump Rules and have it be about Uncommon James. So pitched it to E and they were like, we'll do it if you're on it more. So. I had to get Jay on board then and I had to get one of my friends on board. And then, yeah, we did it. And, and I did it-

• 30:41Bunnie XO?

  One of your friends being Kelly?

• 30:42Speaker 04

  Yes. And we, yeah, we can talk about that. Yeah. And she, um, or so, so we, we did the show and honestly, the only reason I did it was for Uncommon James. Best decision I've ever made for the company. But I also, because I was an executive producer, I had such a different experience doing Very Cavallari. And the producers really looked at me like an equal. I was involved in every creative conversation. I always knew what was going on. And it was, that aspect of it was such an enjoyable experience. It was a great way for me to end my reality TV career. Just with such a positive taste in my mouth. So I was really, really happy that I ended up doing it.

• 31:21Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. So did you actually get a say so on what was aired?

• 31:25Speaker 04

  I was able to get shit taken out. I was, I mean, like, yeah.

• 31:28Bunnie XO?

  I mean, it was juicy. There was a lot of drama under it. I watched it.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  It could have been way better.

• 31:34Bunnie XO?

  I'm like, I don't know. I thought you guys did a great fucking job.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  I think, I think it could have been better. I think it could have been funnier. I wanted it to be like, I mean, and there were definitely, Jay was very funny on the show.

• 31:45Bunnie XO?

  Well, he was, he was hit or miss. He was either really funny or it was like, what is going on with this guy?

• 31:50Speaker 04

  Well, and I mean, you should have seen the shit that got edited out. There was one time we were filming and we were fighting so bad. The camera guys were like, okay, camera's down. Like, everyone take a break.

• 32:00Bunnie XO?

  Oh shit.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  But they can't show that because they wanted Jay and I to seem like we were perfect, you know? Or like had this great relationship.

• 32:06Bunnie XO?

  You could pick up on the tension though. You could feel it.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  I think you could too. Like now, obviously we got divorced pretty quickly thereafter. I think people then could kind of see the cracks, you know? But they tried to do a really good job of showing us in a very positive light.

• 32:19Bunnie XO?

  You don't have a good, I'm, you're, I'm the same way. You don't have a good poker face. If you're pissed off-

• 32:23Speaker 04

  I can't bullshit, man. It's like, I gotta be real.

• 32:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, there was a couple of times I was like, she's pissed at him. Like you could feel the energy on, because I, I watched Very Cavallari too.

• 32:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, I, the whole time that we were doing that show, I was really unhappy. Really unhappy in my marriage. And that was sort of like, well, that was a distraction probably also, you know? At that point, I was throwing myself into so much work stuff.

• 32:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 32:47Speaker 04

  That I was, it was all a distraction.

• 32:49Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like the drama from the show overshadowed the brand of Uncommon James?

• 32:54Speaker 04

  No, because what it did for the company was insane. I mean, you can't buy that kind of marketing overnight. It just catapulted us to the next level and it just, it set Uncommon James up honestly to something I never even could have imagined. And so, and still, I mean, we continue to grow and, and I really do think it's because of the show initially. I really do. So, no.

• 33:19Bunnie XO?

  No, I agree. I couldn't agree more. No, I mean, what is it? What do they say? All news is good news?

• 33:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, all press is good press.

• 33:24Bunnie XO?

  Exactly. Like, fuck it.

• 33:26Speaker 04

  Which sometimes it's hard to, hard to wrap my head around, but yeah.

• 33:28Bunnie XO?

  We're learning, yeah, we're learning that now. We're new into the, the fame thing. So there's a couple, like, we go viral for some things that we've said in like 2020 and it's like, we're not even, we're not even those fucking people anymore.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 33:41Bunnie XO?

  You're like, let us grow, let us grow. But the internet will, man, they will just hold you to who you were at that moment in time.

• 33:47Speaker 04

  They hold on to everything.

• 33:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. And they like to bring it back and rerun it. And you're just like, what is fucking happening?

• 33:52Speaker 04

  God, I know. Like, let's see you five years ago, what you were doing.

• 33:57Bunnie XO?

  Literally, let's, let's shake those skeletons.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Let's go there.

• 33:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

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• 34:57Bunnie XO?

  Where do you get the inspiration for Uncommon James? Like, for the jewelry? And you have clothes too, correct?

• 35:02Speaker 04

  So we do, we're primarily- Jewelry and actually now we have skincare. We've got merch like we've got

• 35:06Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I was gonna say.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  T-shirts and shit. Yeah, but I wouldn't say we do clothing. But so for the jewelry, it just depends. I find that whatever's kind of going on in my life is where I'm pulling inspiration from. So I mean, you know, like during COVID, it was like I was doing a collection about adventure, like when we could, you know, when the world started opening up again, like what we would be doing, like a daydreaming collection. Um, I was in Greece this past summer and that inspired a whole collection. So it just kind of depends on whatever is happening in my life.

• 35:33Bunnie XO?

  I love that. So it's like just little glimpses of where you're at in your life.

• 35:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:37Bunnie XO?

  You'll be able to look back on your collections and be like, okay, I did this when I was here and I did this when I was with this person and like, yeah.

• 35:44Speaker 04

  Well, and so my daughter is a sailor. She has a collection coming out in, I think it's April, but we designed it last New Year's, actually, when we were at the beach. And so like, and that's really sweet. And it's all, you know, this beach theme and stuff. So yeah, it is, it is kind of like a little scrapbook in a lot of ways of like, yeah, what, where I was at in my life. It is fun.

• 36:03Bunnie XO?

  I love that for you.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:05Bunnie XO?

  Moving on to the very Cavallari drama that had happened, you had your best friend Kelly Henderson on the show.

• 36:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:12Bunnie XO?

  You guys had been friends for a really long time, correct?

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, we had known each other. Uh, well, actually we met in 2010 when Jay and I started dating, but we didn't become close until a couple of years later. But yes, I mean, we definitely were friends for a while.

• 36:26Bunnie XO?

  What happened on the show? Was that, was it a storyline or was that really unfolding?

• 36:33Speaker 04

  No, that was real. So, so what happened was, um, so I think it was season two, uh, people started saying that it seemed like Jay and Kelly were having an affair.

• 36:45Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 36:46Speaker 04

  And I actually was completely oblivious to any, any of that. But then I remember being like, wait, what the fuck? And like really starting to pay attention to it. And I was like, I never once thought that anything was going on. I, I stand by that. I don't, I don't think anything happened. But my issue was how Kelly was handling it and adding fuel to the fire and sort of taking advantage of it for her own benefit. And I said something to her and it just blew up in my face. I mean, I will always stand by the fact that if a friend came to me and said, "Hey, listen, here's how your actions made me feel," I would go, "Holy shit, that was not my intention. I am so sorry. Let's talk about this."

• 37:28Speaker 04

  And this is relationships too, but when people can't take any accountability and turn it around and throw it in your face, like I don't, I can't do that. You know what I'm saying? And I've had a lot of experience with that. That's actually like a huge thing for me, moving forward with all of my friendships, relationships, whatever, is accountability is so fucking huge.

• 37:48Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  And it's really hard for a lot of people.

• 37:51Bunnie XO?

  Preach it, sister. Clip that, Jason.

• 37:55Bunnie XO?

  That's a good one.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  That is a good one. But it's, I just, I'm at a point in my life where, because there's, I can't do anything with that then, right? Like, this is how I feel. And if you can't acknowledge that, well then, I don't, I can't move on.

• 38:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  So that's basically what happened.

• 38:12Bunnie XO?

  So the rumors were that they were having an affair. You never once thought like, "This is possibly true." Like, where does a rumor like that come around from?

• 38:20Speaker 04

  Well, it was because of how she was with him.

• 38:22Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 38:23Speaker 04

  She definitely, uh, she was crossing the line and,

• 38:29Speaker 04

  and then like the way she would talk about him on social media, it was just, it was always adding fuel to it. Where I was like, "Wait, what the fuck is actually going on?"

• 38:37Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 38:37Speaker 04

  But no, I really, I really don't think anything happened. I mean, fuck, I don't know, to be honest with you. Like, do I know for sure? No. And Jay used to trash her, which I now sort of think if a guy is trashing a girl, it's because there's

• 38:49Bunnie XO?

  100%.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  Probably something going on. And I did-

• 38:52Bunnie XO?

  Did you ever confront him? Like, "Hey, is this really going on?"

• 38:55Speaker 04

  He walked, you know, hand in hand with me during that whole thing, but, you know, uh, when you're dealing with a pathological liar, it's hard to know

• 39:06Speaker 04

  what the fucking truth is. There are things from my marriage that I will never know. Um, and I've just sort of had to let that go. You know what I mean? It's, I'm, I'm over it now and I can, that's why I can probably talk about it so freely, but,

• 39:20Bunnie XO?

  Such an amazing thing for you to say, though, that you can talk about it freely now because there's a lot of women who have gone through divorces also that never got the apologies that they deserved.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  Oh, well, and a lot of times you won't. I never did, and I never will.

• 39:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  But you have to do it for you. You know what I mean? You have to forgive them. And because at the end of the day, people who are lying to you or who are cheating or whatever the situation may be, that's because they're hurt.

• 39:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  That's about them. Like, that has nothing to do with me. And so when you can get to that place and almost have empathy for those people and realize how much they're struggling, like, it's, it's not about me. So I, I forgive.

• 39:59Bunnie XO?

  Big of you.

• 39:59Speaker 04

  Kelly, I forgive Jay for anything that he did. Like, I just, anyone in my life, my dad even, I've, I have empathy for my dad because I understand why my dad is the way he is. I can have empathy and forgive these people and still not have them in my life. You know, those two things can coexist.

• 40:15Bunnie XO?

  If Kelly, has Kelly tried to apologize to you?

• 40:17Speaker 04

  No, and in fact, I saw her one time at the airport and she fucking bolted. I was like, I could give you a big hug right now and be like, whatever, you know, like, I don't hold grudges. But that just tells me she hasn't worked through it. She's still holding on to that, so.

• 40:31Bunnie XO?

  That's, that's rough, man. Because it's, it also, at the same time, makes her look really guilty, like, of something, like, why can't you just face me? Like, I'm not even with this dude anymore. Like, let's

• 40:41Speaker 04

  Hundred percent.

• 40:41Bunnie XO?

  Never let a man get in between a friendship type of situation. Girl code.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  Girl code. Like, what? That is like, I can't even wrap my head around that.

• 40:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So, you're, you are on this TV show. You know, you're doing your last hurrah with reality TV, as you said, and then, you know, all this blows up. What happened with Shannon Ford? Are you guys friends now?

• 41:06Speaker 04

  I've seen her. Yeah, we're, we're totally cool.

• 41:08Bunnie XO?

  You guys are good now? Okay, because I remember that was a whole thing, too.

• 41:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:11Bunnie XO?

  Um, you're going through all of this, and then you and Jay are headed for divorce. You guys get this divorce. What, how are you feeling in that moment? Like?

• 41:19Speaker 04

  Oh, that was such a crazy time. I felt so many different things.

• 41:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:26Speaker 04

  I mean, it was everything from Such a weight being lifted to feeling like I could finally breathe.

• 41:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  To being so fucking devastated that I, that I was tearing up our family. You know, obviously coming from divorced parents, the last thing I ever wanted was a divorce. So, and, and I won't lie to you, that still will creep up once in a while. Christmas, I felt that. I got really sad Christmas Eve because I was like, it just sucks that we're not together as a family. I don't want to be back with Jay at all, but it's that, that family unit, you know? That bums me out sometimes.

• 42:03Bunnie XO?

  Do you guys think you could ever do a Christmas together eventually? How are you guys co-parenting right now?

• 42:07Speaker 04

  Um, it's, it's been so up and down.

• 42:11Bunnie XO?

  Well, I should, not shocking because I mean, we've seen Jay's behavior.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Zero fucking consistency, which is really hard.

• 42:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you poor baby.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, it has not been easy to say the least. Um, you know, we sat together at a basketball game earlier in the year and I was like, holy fuck. This is the best thing that's ever happened.

• 42:33Bunnie XO?

  You're like, I'll fucking take it, the bare minimum.

• 42:36Speaker 04

  We made it. Wow, we can sit next to each other. Um, and we haven't sat together since, so I don't fucking know.

• 42:43Bunnie XO?

  Jay, come on, baby.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 42:45Bunnie XO?

  Let's get it together.

• 42:47Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a bumpy road. So I'm going to say probably no Christmases together, which is fine. It's, and to be honest, that's not even what I want.

• 42:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  You know, it's just, um, I think when you go through a divorce and you have kids, like there are those moments where you're like, it's a bummer just because you don't want that. But there's also a lot of good, of course, that came out of that. And I think even for my kids, you know, it's going to make them stronger. Like there's, I could list a thousand things of why it's positive, um, but I do have those moments, but, um.

• 43:18Bunnie XO?

  In that, in that moment, uh, you know, going through the divorce, just wrapping a reality show.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:23Bunnie XO?

  How were you feeling? Like even getting back into like the dating scene.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  That was easy for me. That was like riding a bike.

• 43:30Bunnie XO?

  We're gonna get there, baby. We're gonna get there, sister.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  That was a piece of cake. Well, you know what it was? I think so. I actually immediately started dating someone. And then I went from that to another thing immediately. And so for the first year I was like, woo, having fun, I'm free, I'm dating, I'm like getting my spark back, like just fucking loving life, quite honestly. And then Jay and I actually went on a couple of dates. Um, yeah, we went on a couple of dates trying to see if like, cause ah man, it's fucking hard. And I think unless you've gone through this, especially with a toxic marriage, it's like, it has this hold on you. And until you can like,

• 44:09Bunnie XO?

  Trauma bond almost.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  It's a fucking trauma bond. And until you can really break that, I would go back a couple of times and be like, but I know it's not right, but like, why am I doing it? So we did, we went on a couple of dates. And then after I finally, you know, for the 18th millionth time was like, I can't do this. Um, then I really did the work. And then it like, I had lonely times, I had sad times. It was really hard for me then to meet someone. Like I dated, but I didn't meet anyone that I liked for a really long time.

• 44:38Bunnie XO?

  Because you're in the process of healing and you're just like, ew, like you get the ick so easy.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  So easy, which is a good thing, you know? Um, but yeah, then I, then I had to really, you know, get real with myself and do the healing journey. So it was, it was good.

• 44:53Bunnie XO?

  What's a wellness like ritual that you do for yourself, like to ground yourself?

• 44:57Speaker 04

  I mean, I really do love meditating.

• 45:00Bunnie XO?

  Me too.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  I don't do it as much as I would like to, but when I do it, it's fucking powerful.

• 45:04Bunnie XO?

  I just started doing sauna. I just started.

• 45:06Speaker 04

  Yes. Do you meditate in the sauna?

• 45:08Bunnie XO?

  That's my new thing.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  That's what I do.

• 45:09Bunnie XO?

  I just started doing it.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  It's the best.

• 45:11Bunnie XO?

  It's the best because you can't take your phone in there. Like I just set mine outside and I just kind of like sit in there for a half hour and just zone out. Yeah.

• 45:19Speaker 04

  It's the best.

• 45:19Bunnie XO?

  And you feel so good after you do it.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  Well, they say it literally changes your vibration. Like it literally, you know, yeah. So I, I do love it. Um, what else do I do? I actually have these oracle cards too. I like pulling oracle cards.

• 45:33Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that for you.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  It's just kind of fun. I got tarot cards too. I think I'm like a fucking medium all of a sudden.

• 45:37Bunnie XO?

  You're like our little gypsy over there.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  Like reading them for all my friends.

• 45:41Bunnie XO?

  I would let you read my tarot cards.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  I would love to read your tarot cards.

• 45:44Bunnie XO?

  Let's do it. We'll have to do that. Like I'm coming over for dinner just so you can read my tarot cards. So you've written books, you've built businesses and you're raising a family. How do you define success for yourself these days?

• 45:58Speaker 04

  I love that question. Success, I think, is inner peace. Quite honestly, like, period. It's that simple. But I think.

• 46:06Bunnie XO?

  There's no, there's no, peace is priceless.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  That's the thing. And I think, you know, what we were talking about earlier, like, when your whole life has not been peaceful, I value it so much. And I've, I feel lucky because I've gotten to a place where I've been able to sort of like, curate my life to be exactly what I want. You know, the, my podcast that I'm doing, Uncommon James, everything's on my terms. I'm my own boss. I can work when I want to work. My kids are always my priority. And if I want to take a week off and go fuck around, I can. And that for me is heaven. So I feel very, very lucky.

• 46:41Bunnie XO?

  You're like a phoenix that rose after that, you know, that rises through the ashes.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Phoenix rising. Yeah. That's how I feel.

• 46:47Bunnie XO?

  No, listen, girl, you're a warrior. And, you know, real recognize real. I get it, man. It's when you go through so much, like, just tragedy and bullshit in the beginning of your life, all you want now is peace. Like, you can ask my girls, I don't fucking even want, if it's not fucking me, feeding me, or financing me, I don't fucking care.

• 47:07Speaker 04

  Amen, baby.

• 47:07Bunnie XO?

  About what the fuck has you got going on? You want to come to me with some bullshit? Take it elsewhere. I do not care.

• 47:12Speaker 04

  No time for that.

• 47:14Bunnie XO?

  Um, so, you know, after the divorce, you said that it was really easy for you to start dating.

• 47:20Speaker 04

  Here we go.

• 47:22Speaker 04

  I love that little smile on your face.

• 47:25Bunnie XO?

  Because you already know what's coming, baby.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  I know. Let's go. Let's go.

• 47:28Bunnie XO?

  Was one of those men happened to be Morgan Wallen?

• 47:32Speaker 04

  How did I know?

• 47:34Bunnie XO?

  Because you dropped a bomb and the entire internet went insane. What was your, was your friend Justin Anderson?

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Our suspect video.

• 47:42Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 47:43Speaker 04

  Oh, God.

• 47:45Bunnie XO?

  Can we elaborate on this? Because, you know, and I have to, I have to navigate this.

• 47:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, you guys know Morgan.

• 47:52Bunnie XO?

  I will see, here's the thing. I've seen Morgan numerous times. I've only hugged him. I've never had a conversation with him. My husband and him are friends and they love, my husband is like, that's my bubba.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  He's a good, yeah, and he, Morgan's a good guy. I do, he has a big heart. He really does.

• 48:06Bunnie XO?

  He's a playa from the Himalayas.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  Thousand percent.

• 48:09Bunnie XO?

  The amount of women that have sat on my couch that have been with Morgan Wallen is crazy.

• 48:13Speaker 04

  He's been with every woman on the planet. So that, and that was the thing.

• 48:16Bunnie XO?

  As he should, he's single.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, he absolutely should. I mean, I, yeah, yes, I, I definitely hung out with Morgan. Um, Morgan is, he's very sweet. Here's what I'll tell you is the first date that we went on, he was a true gentleman and he was like, I'll pick you up, I'll pick the place, like just fucking handled business. He came and picked me up. He met my kids. My kids were so excited.

• 48:40Bunnie XO?

  Aww.

• 48:41Speaker 04

  It was so cute. We, he got us a private room. You know, he had like his bodyguard and whatnot and um, dropped me off. He kissed me in the rain and it was like the sweetest thing. And then we hung out thereafter and it was, I will say, it was a very, um, that was up and down too. It was just like, it was a lot.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:03Bunnie XO?

  They always say you'll find the same person in different bodies.

• 49:06Speaker 04

  So that's true. But yeah, I love Morgan. I haven't talked to him in probably a year. Um, but I, I have nothing but good things to say about him.

• 49:15Bunnie XO?

  Was he romantic?

• 49:17Speaker 04

  Um.

• 49:22Bunnie XO?

  I've heard he's great in bed.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  He was good in bed.

• 49:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 49:26Bunnie XO?

  We got another one to confirm. Another one has Morgan. You slay brother, slay. All right? And we are in no way.

• 49:33Speaker 04

  Fucking Morgan, God.

• 49:34Bunnie XO?

  You know, Morgan's gonna be hitting up Jay like, can you please tell your wife to never talk about me on her podcast again?

• 49:40Speaker 04

  Only for you, buddy. Only for you.

• 49:42Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate it. So, but you did say, and I do, I, we have to bring this up. You did say that he hurt your feelings.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  Justin said that, yeah.

• 49:51Bunnie XO?

  Okay, Justin said that.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  Justin said that. So, Morgan, so, okay. Oh, God. I'm so sorry, Morgan.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  He didn't hurt my feelings. It's more. I'll be honest with you. Morgan was the first guy in my entire fucking life that wasn't like just completely enamored with me. And I was like, what in the fuck is going on? It really threw me.

• 50:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, cuz you're used to people like worship me.

• 50:17Speaker 04

  I'm used to guys being like crazy where I'm like, eh, whatever.

• 50:21Bunnie XO?

  Well, it's probably because he has 20 other girlfriends.

• 50:23Speaker 04

  Exactly. Exactly. He was busy.

• 50:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:26Speaker 04

  And so, um, yeah.

• 50:29Bunnie XO?

  Allegedly.

• 50:30Speaker 04

  Alleged, allegedly. Allegedly. But yeah, so it was one of those things where I was like, why do I keep going back to this guy? When it's just like.

• 50:39Bunnie XO?

  It's trying to get the approval of your father.

• 50:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I love having the upper hand. And I feel like with him, I didn't have the upper hand. And I was like, I'm gonna fucking get it.

• 50:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 04

  Never did.

• 50:49Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  I will say, I walked away from him a couple of times and I was ultimately the one that ended it. But I never felt like I like had him, you know? And yeah, the only time in my life. So it really fucked with me.

• 51:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, he has a reputation for being a bad boy.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  Hundred percent.

• 51:04Bunnie XO?

  Lives up to it. I mean.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:06Bunnie XO?

  The dude's throwing fucking chairs off roofs, you know?

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm, listen, I'm glad that didn't work out. I don't, I don't wanna be with Morgan. I love Morgan, but I don't wanna be with Morgan.

• 51:16Bunnie XO?

  I feel like Morgan might be a stepping stone, you know, for like finding your true love.

• 51:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:20Bunnie XO?

  He's like the bad boy that you wanna play with and then you just, you tuck him away and you put him in the past.

• 51:25Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 51:26Bunnie XO?

  The man that you love.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  At the time, quite honestly, I was like, I kinda just want a fuck buddy in Nashville.

• 51:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  That's really hard to find here for some reason. And I wanted to make Morgan that, but it was just like.

• 51:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, Morgan seems to be the guy that wants to step up to the plate to be people's fuck buddies.

• 51:39Speaker 04

  A great fuck buddy. The problem is honestly, he was on tour. He's so busy.

• 51:43Bunnie XO?

  Losing it over here. She knows so many girls that have been with him too.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  Even I do. And I'm like, God.

• 51:50Bunnie XO?

  Morgan has needs a support group.

• 51:52Speaker 04

  No, liter- literally, cuz everyone's heart is broken.

• 51:55Bunnie XO?

  I know. Morgan, you're out here breaking people's hearts, man.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Morgan. But, uh, he was so busy, honestly, that it was just like, why the fuck am I, like, what are we doing? This is silly, so.

• 52:05Bunnie XO?

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• 53:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, just a stepping stone.

• 53:34Speaker 04

  And he was fun. Like, we had a good time, and so, you know, all good, all good.

• 53:38Bunnie XO?

  Jason Statham. Statham. How do I put it? Jason Statham.

• 53:43Speaker 04

  Jason Statham.

• 53:44Bunnie XO?

  Where? How? That doesn't even seem like your type.

• 53:47Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. When I was... How old was I? I was probably like 21.

• 53:53Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  Um, oh, he... I loved him.

• 53:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah?

• 53:57Speaker 04

  I mean, not really, but I... No, he, um, yeah, we were really good friends.

• 54:02Bunnie XO?

  Is he tiny?

• 54:03Speaker 04

  Um, he's smaller than you would think.

• 54:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:06Speaker 04

  Like, they all are, though. You know what I mean? That's my issue with actors. They're never this, like, macho, like...

• 54:10Bunnie XO?

  I feel like I'm bigger than every fucking person that I've seen on the big screen.

• 54:13Speaker 04

  I know.

• 54:14Bunnie XO?

  Every time I meet him. And you're tiny. You are so tiny.

• 54:16Speaker 04

  So are you. But, no, you are. But, yes, these guys are tiny.

• 54:19Bunnie XO?

  I'm a big bag bitch, and I'll take it.

• 54:22Bunnie XO?

  I identify as a big back bitch.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  Hardly.

• 54:27Bunnie XO?

  They get so mad at me when I say it, but I'm like, bro, I'm a big back bitch. No, stop it.

• 54:31Speaker 04

  No, but these guys, that's the thing. They're never what you want them to be. Ever.

• 54:36Bunnie XO?

  Ever. And they wear lifts.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  I know. Yeah.

• 54:38Bunnie XO?

  Did Jason wear lifts?

• 54:40Speaker 04

  No.

• 54:40Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 54:41Speaker 04

  Well, maybe in the movies and shit. I don't know. But yeah, but no, but Jason is a, he's a great guy. He's a lot of fun.

• 54:47Bunnie XO?

  Did you guys actually like date date or was it just more of like a?

• 54:50Speaker 04

  A little bit. Yeah, we dated a little bit. Yeah. Um, no, he was, he was great. We had the same group of friends. So we started out as, as friends and then it just kind of escalated. But yeah, no, I, nothing but good things to say about Jason too.

• 55:03Bunnie XO?

  How long was it?

• 55:04Speaker 04

  God, I don't even remember. I mean, we, cause we were friends at first. Um, God, this is so long ago. I would say maybe a year, but not like hooking up and dating. Probably a couple of months that that was going on, but yeah.

• 55:17Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about your, cause we're gonna, we're gonna hop off your dating for a second.

• 55:25Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about this beef you have with the Kardashians. She's like, let's, let's hop out of one frying pan into the nether.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  Okay, let's go there.

• 55:34Bunnie XO?

  What is it about that family? Because I've had numerous people and they sponsor my podcast. So.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  I do their ads on my podcast too. And I'm like out there talking shit. They just renewed it for 2025.

• 55:47Bunnie XO?

  Was asked to.

• 55:48Speaker 04

  You want me to just keep talking shit? I will.

• 55:50Bunnie XO?

  I love it. So I love that, you know, you know, I think it's cool that they just don't care. They're like, you know what? We're gonna fucking just sponsor the podcast. There's a lot of people who have sat on my couch that have different, different stories, but the same scenarios with this family.

• 56:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:05Bunnie XO?

  It comes to a point where it's like, some of it can't be made up.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  No. I mean, I think the thing is, I feel like we're living in this time right now where karma is like really playing a role. And people are being held accountable on a big scale. And I'm here for that. I fucking love that. And you know, mine really stems from.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  God, again, I mean, this is, I was probably like 22, 21 or 22 and well, I had known Scott Disick, same thing, same group of friends. We were always buddies.

• 56:37Bunnie XO?

  Well, you were with Brody Jenner, weren't you?

• 56:40Speaker 04

  I dated Brody. Brody was my first boyfriend in LA. Yeah. So, yeah, it was all that, that group of people. And Scott and Courtney started dating. That's how I met Courtney. I fucking loved Courtney. We were really good friends.

• 56:51Bunnie XO?

  I could see you guys being, like, you guys are kind of like the same personality.

• 56:54Speaker 04

  Very similar. Courtney was awesome. And they broke up and I was doing something in Vegas, actually. And I went with a bunch of my guy friends. Scott happened to be one of the guys that came. Again, we were always just friends. Well, he was devastated about Courtney and the next morning, we all went out, we had a good time. I was never even alone with Scott.

• 57:14Bunnie XO?

  He was devastated about Courtney, but fumbled the ball. How many times?

• 57:17Speaker 04

  Well, exactly. I mean,

• 57:19Bunnie XO?

  Men are always like the victim.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  Always the fucking victim. Like, maybe if you got your shit together, it would be a different story. But so the next morning, it was on like page six or something that Scott and I had hooked up and I was like, what in the motherfuck? And my friend Stu was like, I know for a fact that was Scott who told them that, planted that to try to make Courtney jealous. Well, what do you know? That's in fact what happened. Courtney was really upset about it. And I remember being on the phone with Courtney, being like, Courtney, you know that that's not true. I would never fucking touch Scott. And I don't know. She was like, well, I don't know. I just know I have sisters and I would never put myself in that situation.

• 57:56Bunnie XO?

  Her sisters have allegedly been with,

• 57:58Speaker 04

  Well, right?

• 58:00Bunnie XO?

  You know, like,

• 58:00Speaker 04

  I'm like, okay. Um, and then, so they did end up getting back together and we, you know, we stopped talking. But, but I am like, Scott must have said it was true or something because all it would have taken was for Scott to be like, that's not true. And I'm, that was my issue too, because this was on the cover of every fucking tabloid. And I remember doing an interview, again, before social media. So it's not like you can go on and defend yourself.

• 58:23Bunnie XO?

  And like clear your name.

• 58:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I remember doing an interview, being like, that's not true. And all it would take is one of the Kardashians to be like, that's not true for it to go away, but they wouldn't do that. And that's the part that pisses me off is like, they, I think they have no regard for anyone else other than themselves.

• 58:41Bunnie XO?

  They don't really defend themselves either.

• 58:43Speaker 04

  I guess they kind of don't do that.

• 58:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like there's sometimes that there's accusations coming out about them and I'm waiting for one of them to speak up and they never say a fucking word.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  Well, I think, you know, talk about what we said earlier, they're in the camp of all press is good press for sure. Where I'm like, no, this is my fucking reputation and my name. I'm like, I didn't, I have an issue when something is so not true. If something comes out and it's true, I'm like, whatever. Yeah, but I'm like, I didn't fucking do that.

• 59:08Bunnie XO?

  So that explains why you were so mad when Scott reached back out to you.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  So I go on my podcast and just was talking shit about the Kardashians, like nothing in particular, but just talking shit. And then Scott Disick DMs me after fucking 15 years or something. It's like, I miss you. We should hang out. It just felt so calculated to me. And this is what the Kardashians and a lot of people in Hollywood do is when you're out there talking shit, they want to shut you up. So it's keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And I don't play that game. It's so fake to me.

• 59:40Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like Scott is still under control of that family?

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Thousand percent.

• 59:43Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay.

• 59:44Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 59:46Bunnie XO?

  I feel like he's such a loose, he's like a loose cannon.

• 59:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, like he is for sure, but I think at the end of the day, they definitely can kind of control him.

• 59:54Bunnie XO?

  They run them in in their lives, that's for sure.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, they do. Poor Rob.

• 59:59Bunnie XO?

  Rob has like disappeared. He's in obscurity.

• 1:00:02Speaker 04

  I was on Dancing with the Stars with him. He's the sweetest, but he's kind of, yeah. Where is Rob?

• 1:00:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  Is Rob okay?

• 1:00:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, Rob, Rob, do the red, what is it? What is it? The Britney Spears does the yellow rose? Post a yellow rose if you need help. Poor Rob.

• 1:00:17Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:00:18Bunnie XO?

  All that estrogen too. It's gotta be just fucking insane.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Bunnie XO?

  So moving on from your beef with the Kardashians, because it's really not even beef. I think, I feel like it's legit. Like your feelings are hurt and Courtney should have been a better friend to know that you would not do that.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  Well, and it's like, I honestly, I don't even really give a fuck, to be honest with you, but it's just that the fact that Scott was trying to slide into my DMs, I was like, oh, fuck off.

• 1:00:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. But hey. You're like, look, an elephant never forgets and fucking, I remember everything.

• 1:00:43Speaker 04

  Exactly. And you don't want to fuck with someone who has a weekly podcast.

• 1:00:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 04

  You know that, like, I'll come out and say whatever. I'm also a loose cannon.

• 1:00:51Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk, let's talk about your podcast really quick. What is the name of your podcast? So people want to listen to it.

• 1:00:56Speaker 04

  Let's be honest. Um, yeah, it's, you know, wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. But it's, and it's a mix. You know, that's what I love is having creative freedom with, you know, Uncommon James and the podcast to talk about whatever I want to talk about. I mean, you get that. If one week I want to talk about, you know, fucking Scott Disick sliding into my DMs or interview a neurosurgeon.

• 1:01:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 04

  You know, like I have that freedom, which is really great and keeps it exciting for me.

• 1:01:18Bunnie XO?

  I admire the fact that you can do podcasts by yourself.

• 1:01:21Speaker 04

  Thanks. Do you never do them?

• 1:01:22Bunnie XO?

  No, I haven't mastered that.

• 1:01:24Speaker 04

  You would be so good at that.

• 1:01:25Bunnie XO?

  I feel like nobody wants to hear me talk that much.

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  Oh, that is not true. You would be so good at it.

• 1:01:30Bunnie XO?

  I'd just be sitting here talking. I would probably, they'd be like, by the time I got done, they'd be like, does she have five personalities? Cause she literally made herself laugh and she couldn't stop laughing. And then she got pissed off. Like what just happened? Like.

• 1:01:40Speaker 04

  It is, but it's weird.

• 1:01:42Bunnie XO?

  It might be bad for me.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  I remember when I started doing them, I was like, this is the most unnatural awkward thing on the planet. I'm just talking to myself. Like, it's weird, but it's a, it's a muscle. You, you would be so good at it, Bonnie. I feel like you should try it.

• 1:01:55Bunnie XO?

  I don't know. Listen, if you guys see me talking to myself, it's because Kristen told me to do it.

• 1:02:01Bunnie XO?

  So let's talk about the Montana boy.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:02:04Bunnie XO?

  Okay. Because listen, I was fucking rooting for you, dude.

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  You were so cute on TikTok.

• 1:02:09Bunnie XO?

  I was, cause I was like, let this fucking woman live, bro.

• 1:02:14Speaker 04

  Thank you. I know.

• 1:02:15Bunnie XO?

  What was the age difference?

• 1:02:16Speaker 04

  Thirteen years.

• 1:02:18Bunnie XO?

  I mean, it's not terrible.

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  I mean, you know, the thing is, I, I will stand by this. I still think age is just a number and, um, it was so interesting for me to see how up in arms people were because I was older and I'm the woman compared to how it is for men.

• 1:02:36Bunnie XO?

  But Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher got away with it and they were the cutest thing ever.

• 1:02:39Speaker 04

  And there's so many people, talk about Jason Statham. I think he's like 20 something years older than Rosie. I mean, like, there are so many relationships out there and people don't bat an eye, but when a girl does it, that really pissed me off. I was like, what the fuck? Also, it's not like, I don't know. I think. So, okay, actually, here's my real opinion on it. This is what I think. I don't think people give a shit that I'm dating, that I was dating someone younger. I think it's that I can do whatever the fuck I want in my life. I'm out there doing what I want and a lot of people can't do that. And that's what's triggering for people.

• 1:03:13Bunnie XO?

  Amen.

• 1:03:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so, yeah, it was fascinating for me to see that whole thing.

• 1:03:19Bunnie XO?

  To see the reaction.

• 1:03:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Bunnie XO?

  How did you guys meet? How did that come about? Did you, did you see him on TikTok? And you were like, I want that one.

• 1:03:25Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah, literally, I saw him on TikTok and I was like, fuck, he's so hot. But like, okay, that was that. And then like, a couple of months later, he DM'd me on Instagram. And I was like, what the fuck?

• 1:03:36Bunnie XO?

  You manifested that.

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  I literally did. Yeah. And then, um, and then found out they were moving to Nashville. And I was like, well, fuck, if this isn't meant to be.

• 1:03:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. You're like, I mean, I just, I need to welcome home.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  I needed, I needed that fuck buddy. I was like, oh, this is not Morgan.

• 1:03:53Bunnie XO?

  And listen, 13 years younger, you know, it's, it's gonna be good.

• 1:03:57Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:03:58Bunnie XO?

  So how was you guys' relationship, if you could like, sum it up in a nutshell?

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  It was great. Honestly, I mean, um, we did have a real connection. I don't want to minimize that at all. He's a really good guy. It was a beautiful relationship. I, you know, I have nothing bad to say. It was fun until it wasn't, you know, it was like, it just, um, I felt the age difference. Like, no, no shit, no shock. Like, of course. And I get that, you know, everyone's like, oh, I fucking knew it. It's like, okay, but we all knew it.

• 1:04:31Bunnie XO?

  Let me have fun.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  I was having fun.

• 1:04:33Bunnie XO?

  It was, it's called a fling for a reason.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  Exactly. Like, am I supposed to marry everyone I date? Like, I don't understand. I was having fun. And I think people forget that the last five years have been my dating era. Like, I always had boyfriends. I met Jay when I was 23. I never was able to date and figure out exactly what I want and like, figure out myself through dating. And so, that's what I've been doing the last five years. And that was really fun for me. It like, sort of.

• 1:05:00Bunnie XO?

  It was a distraction, too.

• 1:05:01Speaker 04

  It was a distraction. It was really easy. It just sort of naturally fit into my life. I said this on my podcast. But you know, it's maybe selfish looking back, but I didn't really have to bend for him in a lot of ways. He just kind of fit into my life and with where I'm at in my life, that was really is perfect.

• 1:05:18Bunnie XO?

  What you needed.

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  It was what I needed. And um, yeah, but Mark's a great guy and I have.

• 1:05:23Bunnie XO?

  I never even knew his name. I just know him as Montana.

• 1:05:25Speaker 04

  I love you.

• 1:05:28Bunnie XO?

  That's Montana boy.

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  The Montana.

• 1:05:30Bunnie XO?

  Talks to me about it is like, yeah, her and the Montana boy.

• 1:05:34Bunnie XO?

  Did you, did you ever look around when you were with him and just be like, maybe, and this is not a diss to him at all. It's just, maybe this is too small for me because you know, you do have such a lore and like, you're an icon and not saying that he's, he, he won't be, but I mean, all he has right now is the shirtless TikTok videos.

• 1:05:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. And it's, I think it's a combination of, yeah, I mean.

• 1:05:56Bunnie XO?

  That's not me being mean.

• 1:05:59Bunnie XO?

  He's beautiful.

• 1:06:00Speaker 04

  I think, you know, I think when you are young and you don't have life experience, coupled with maybe not a lot going on in your life.

• 1:06:08Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  There's not a lot to talk about. There's not a lot to bring to the table.

• 1:06:13Bunnie XO?

  They're just pretty to look at.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  Which can go for a minute, you know, that'll get you through for a minute.

• 1:06:18Bunnie XO?

  No, I get it.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  Until it won't. And so, yes, I um, I came out of it and was craving real um, depth and emotional.

• 1:06:31Bunnie XO?

  Intimacy.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  Intimacy.

• 1:06:34Bunnie XO?

  You know, seduce my mind and then you can have my body. That's what I always say.

• 1:06:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. So now I'm like, really like in that mode of like, I want to learn something from a man. I want to like, you know, like.

• 1:06:46Speaker 04

  But this, but this is what I'm saying. Like it's fun. Like all this whole journey that I'm on is really fun and it's the evolution of me. And I'm figuring it out and I love that. Like I had that as part of my overall story. Like, fuck yeah, I dated a 24 year old.

• 1:07:00Bunnie XO?

  Was he ever insecure with like what he had going on and then what you had going on? Did that ever become an issue with you guys?

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  Um, I mean, we have to remember too, we only dated for like seven months. So I think, um, but um, no, I don't, I don't think that was an insecurity for him. Listen, I think he was sort of along for the ride. Like he was just like happy as.

• 1:07:22Bunnie XO?

  He's like, I'm fucking Kristin Cavallari.

• 1:07:24Speaker 04

  Very content.

• 1:07:25Bunnie XO?

  You can't tell me shit.

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  Kinda, you know. So, no, I don't think that was an issue.

• 1:07:31Bunnie XO?

  Was he sad when you guys broke up?

• 1:07:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was, it was really hard. It was really hard and it, um, it crushed me, quite honestly, because I knew I was breaking his heart and so, yes. Um, and actually, it's been one of the harder breakups for me in the sense where like normally, I'm like, I'm done, great, I'm moving on. I never even think about the guy again, but I think I've had a lot of guilt about it and I feel really bad and so.

• 1:07:56Bunnie XO?

  Cause he's so sweet.

• 1:07:57Speaker 04

  He's so sweet. He really is so sweet and, um, yeah, so that's been, it's been hard for me to like, let it go and we've stayed in touch too and I think that probably makes it harder as well.

• 1:08:08Bunnie XO?

  Would you give it another old wraparound?

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:08:11Bunnie XO?

  Give it a old wraparound?

• 1:08:12Speaker 04

  As much as I love, you know, getting between the sheets with him.

• 1:08:16Bunnie XO?

  Look at her, she's all playing with her neck. She's all excited.

• 1:08:20Speaker 04

  No, I have to just close that door.

• 1:08:22Bunnie XO?

  She's like, no, I'm fucking healing, alright? I'm trying to heal.

• 1:08:25Speaker 04

  We're in our healing process. No, I actually, I'm, um, I'm kind of dating someone else now.

• 1:08:30Bunnie XO?

  Can we know who it is?

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna say who it is and it's really new, but, um.

• 1:08:35Bunnie XO?

  Is he in the spotlight also?

• 1:08:36Speaker 04

  He is a retired athlete, which I will tell you.

• 1:08:40Bunnie XO?

  You love the athletes.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  Fuck, they love me, I think.

• 1:08:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:43Speaker 04

  They, they always find me.

• 1:08:44Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:08:45Speaker 04

  But he's.

• 1:08:46Bunnie XO?

  You're a wag.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  So I'm a fucking wag through and through. He's such a good guy and he really, it's new, but he checks all the boxes where I'm like, fuck, this is what I've been needing.

• 1:08:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  So we'll see, we'll see. He's coming in a couple of days to stay with me.

• 1:09:01Bunnie XO?

  Tell us who it is and we'll bleep the name out.

• 1:09:03Speaker 04

  Um, okay, bleep it out.

• 1:09:05Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I don't know who it is.

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's, he wasn't like a big, well, I don't know, I don't know, cause I don't know athletes really that much, but, um, yeah, he retired a couple of years ago and he has so much depth and I just like love talking to him.

• 1:09:17Bunnie XO?

  Is he older?

• 1:09:17Speaker 04

  He's 40.

• 1:09:18Bunnie XO?

  Good.

• 1:09:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, he has kids, so yeah, we connect on so many different levels, which is awesome.

• 1:09:24Bunnie XO?

  Is he cute?

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  He's cute.

• 1:09:25Bunnie XO?

  Mimi's over there.

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  I'm gonna show you. Yes, but let me show you like real photos of him, not like fucking sweaty, sweaty hockey ones. The athletes never look good in their like.

• 1:09:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:37Speaker 04

  Their photos online. I'm always like, get them in like real, real life and they're so much better.

• 1:09:42Bunnie XO?

  No, that's how I felt about, what was that one Raiders, the fire crotch? He was so damn fine. I told my husband, I think his last Max Crosby. I was like, we saw him at a game and I was like, who's this? And I said, baby, my new, my, I texted my husband. I go, my new favorite number is I think 98. And that was his number. And he goes, oh, you're Max Crosby.

• 1:10:03Bunnie XO?

  I love it. My husband was like, go, baby, go.

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  See, that's such a good relationship when you're just confident and secure. Like the fact that you can say that to him, I feel like all my ex-boyfriends would be like, what? Oh, my God, are you gonna leave me for him? You know what I mean? Like that energy.

• 1:10:16Bunnie XO?

  And yep, I've been in relationships like that and I refuse.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  I won't do it again.

• 1:10:20Bunnie XO?

  It took me a long time when I got with Jay to really understand the, the non jealousy, because I came from such jealous relationships. And I used to get upset with him. I'm writing about this in my book, actually. And I used to get kind of upset with him, like, do you not love me? Like, why aren't you like fighting for me, fight over me? You know, but I realize that's the toxicity in me.

• 1:10:40Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:10:40Bunnie XO?

  That wanted that in him and he'd never, he never arose to that occasion. And now I'm just like, God, I couldn't imagine being with a jealous human like that.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  Like, I'll never do that again.

• 1:10:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, never, never, ever.

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  I love that for you. That's so nice.

• 1:10:53Bunnie XO?

  You're, you're gonna find it too.

• 1:10:54Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:10:55Bunnie XO?

  You're too much of a beautiful woman to not have somebody see how fucking special you are.

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:11:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's coming, baby. I can feel it.

• 1:11:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:11:03Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about this home invasion that you were just, like, you just recently started talking about it?

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, I haven't talked about it because honestly, my kids still don't know. And even when I talked about it on my podcast and it kind of, you know, hit the media and stuff, I was sort of sitting there like, fuck, is my oldest gonna say something to me? Because my, he's on, he has all the things, you know? And my boys have phones and stuff, but he never said anything to me. So I was like, all right, hopefully, hopefully he dodged that bullet.

• 1:11:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we won't clip this.

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't clip this.

• 1:11:31Bunnie XO?

  We won't.

• 1:11:31Speaker 04

  Um, so it was actually, it was during 2020. Um, so we were in the Bahamas for spring break. And we ended up being there for a month because it was when COVID hit. And I had all my uncommon James jewelry like laid out in my closet. And earlier in the day, our HVAC unit broke, so we had workers in the house fixing it and, okay. So Camden, my oldest and I, who this is almost five years ago. So he was like, what, six or seven? Don't make me do math on the spot, but. He was sleeping with me that night, so we went to bed. Early, so I had no idea where anyone else was in the house. And I woke up to, the door was opening and the light from the kitchen woke me up.

• 1:12:13Speaker 04

  And I was so out of it, I honestly thought it was Jay and thank God, because I go crawling on the bedroom floor. I go, what the fuck are you doing?

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  And so this guy is like, oh fuck, stands up, runs out. And I was like, holy fuck. He had a ski mask on, long black sleeves, black pants, like the whole nine.

• 1:12:33Bunnie XO?

  Like while you're sleeping?

• 1:12:35Speaker 04

  Sleeping with my fucking baby in bed with me. So I think because, well, so then I'm like, holy fuck. But I didn't want to wake up Camden. So your instincts just kick in, but I'm like, fuck, I have to go out in this house and figure this out. I have no idea where he is or where Jay is or the kids or whatever. So I grabbed my phone, I text Jay, I'm like, are you awake? No response, because it's like 1 a.m. So I'm like, fuck, I go out in the house and I'm just like looking around. I go in another bedroom. No one's there. I go upstairs. Finally I find Jay. As soon as I woke up Jay, I got really nervous. Like before that, I was like a fucking Navy SEAL, just like going like

• 1:13:11Bunnie XO?

  Mama bear mode.

• 1:13:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, your instincts just kick in. And then once Jay woke up, I was like shaking and I got so scared. Long story short, it was one of the HVAC unit guys, he took all the cash that we had in a backpack, but we got it back. It was like a guy that worked at the resort that we were at.

• 1:13:26Bunnie XO?

  And you wanted to go to the Bahamas.

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:13:29Bunnie XO?

  Not doing it.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  You know what's fucked up? I've been back to that resort since.

• 1:13:33Bunnie XO?

  Bitch, bitch is like, yo, low.

• 1:13:34Speaker 04

  Can't scare me, bitch.

• 1:13:37Bunnie XO?

  I love that though. You're like, you know what? I'm gonna go back and just face it head on.

• 1:13:41Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:13:41Bunnie XO?

  Face your fears.

• 1:13:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, yeah. And I, so that's like one of those things that I won't tell my kids that until they're older. But unless, you know, I keep talking about it and they find out.

• 1:13:50Bunnie XO?

  But it's crazy that you don't have fear from that, you know, because like, that's, that's scary. You have fucking PTSD from that.

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  I know. I'll tell you what, I don't know. I think even living in LA and stuff, I used to be so scared. Living in this little house that I had in West Hollywood, you know, you're on top of your neighbor, the whole thing. But living out here, I'm like 20 minutes from here, in the middle of nowhere, I'm on 130 acres. I feel so safe.

• 1:14:12Bunnie XO?

  Yay.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Like so safe. Again. And it's just at peace.

• 1:14:15Bunnie XO?

  Yep.

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  And it's just a good feeling. I don't know. Yeah, I feel I've got German shepherds. I've got a gun. I've got the whole thing. So it's like, I just.

• 1:14:21Bunnie XO?

  She said, bitch, I'm strapped with dogs.

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  Don't get it twisted. But I just, yeah, I feel really, really safe out here.

• 1:14:28Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a good feeling.

• 1:14:29Bunnie XO?

  What does 2025 have in store for you?

• 1:14:32Speaker 04

  It's a good question. I hope to just continue to just kind of be where I'm at. I used to be such a planner and be like, I need to do X, Y, and Z this year. And I've gotten into this more of a headspace of just like letting life unfold. And that's not to say I don't have goals, you know, I'm going on a podcast tour. Like there are really fun things happening. But I'm just kind of like letting it all happen.

• 1:14:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:55Speaker 04

  So I don't, I don't know.

• 1:14:56Bunnie XO?

  Whatever, whatever happens, happens.

• 1:14:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:59Bunnie XO?

  Just letting the universe just come to you freely.

• 1:15:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:02Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:15:03Speaker 04

  Thanks.

• 1:15:03Bunnie XO?

  I love where you're at in life. I love the space that you're in. I feel like you've fought to be here and it's, you know, something to be proud of.

• 1:15:10Speaker 04

  Thank you. Appreciate that.

• 1:15:11Bunnie XO?

  A lot of people don't figure it out and a lot of people, you know, victimize themselves or they, you know, wallow in self pity and you're just out here being like, you know what? This has happened. I did this. I did this. I take accountability and I'm moving the fuck on.

• 1:15:25Speaker 04

  Well, because there's no growth in the victim mentality, you know? So yeah, you gotta take, take charge of your life. Like that's what I would tell people. Take your life in your own hands and do the damn thing.

• 1:15:35Bunnie XO?

  I love it.

• 1:15:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:36Bunnie XO?

  I'm gonna be doing that with you in 2025. I'm planning like a birthday trip for me and I never do that.

• 1:15:41Speaker 04

  Good.

• 1:15:42Bunnie XO?

  It's the first time I've celebrated my birthday and I can't even. She was shook, but and I want to go, but I want to go out of the country.

• 1:15:49Speaker 04

  Good, yes.

• 1:15:50Bunnie XO?

  This year, I'm just kind of like, I have worked my ass off my whole life. I just want to fucking kind of have fun this year.

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:15:56Bunnie XO?

  I might even drink some alcohol. All right. And I've been sober since 2017, you know? So I'm like, look at Haley's, hey, I got, I drank a beer with Haley one night.

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  Are you sober sober? Are you California sober?

• 1:16:07Bunnie XO?

  No, I'm sober sober.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Amazing.

• 1:16:08Bunnie XO?

  I white knuckle through life, baby.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 1:16:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, it's brutal. It's brutal, but I had to. I had to do it for my spiritual and, you know, emotional healing that I had to go through.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  No, I get it.

• 1:16:20Bunnie XO?

  When I hit 40, now I'm about to be 45. So I'm like, you know what? I've done the work. Yeah. Let me fucking just have fun. There you go. See, I love that. Good. You should. Go have some fun. No, that's why I understand where you're at too, just letting things happen. So. Yeah, I love it. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you. I appreciate you being here. I appreciate you so much. We actually get to end the season with Kristen, right? Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. So you're, you're like our season finale, baby. Going out with a bang. Yes. Well, thank you. Thank you. And tell people where they can find you if they don't know. So just Kristin Cavallari Instagram and TikTok. And then let's be honest, my podcast every Tuesday. Yeah. You guys go check her out. You'll fall in love with her just like I did. Oh, I love you. What is it in 2020? 2006? 2004.

• 1:17:04Bunnie XO?

  2004. God, fucking crazy. 20 years. 20 years ago. It's wild. It makes me feel old, but. Insane. Thank you guys for tuning into another episode of Done Blonde. I'll see you guys next season. Bye.

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