Fefe Dobson: The Woman I've Become

Bunnie’s first-ever guest, the iconic Fefe Dobson, returns for a long-overdue reunion this week. Fefe talks about taking a break from music to save her sanity, touring with Avril, and how video games became her unexpected therapy. She opens up about keeping her private life with longtime partner Yelawolf lowkey, navigating fame, and the story behind naming an album after her mom’s stripper name. Fefe also shares why leather pants will always be her thing, and what she’s manifesting next - including new music and a movie. Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

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• 2:49Bunnie XO?

  Is this thing on? What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today is really special for me because the first guest that I ever had on the podcast is now sitting on my couch in the new studio in season nine, my dear friend, Ms. Fifi Dobson.

• 3:07Speaker 04

  Oh, hey, girl.

• 3:09Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I'm so happy you're here.

• 3:10Speaker 04

  Me too. It's very, very exciting to be here and to see the studio.

• 3:14Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy, right?

• 3:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:16Bunnie XO?

  I can't believe you and I have known each other almost a decade now.

• 3:19Speaker 04

  It's wild.

• 3:19Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  It's wild.

• 3:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  We've had a lot of fun times, a lot of parties, you know?

• 3:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's been, it's been, it's been an interesting ride.

• 3:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:28Bunnie XO?

  But through it all, you, I think one of the one things that I love so much about you is just how sweet you are.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  Thanks, girl. I appreciate that.

• 3:35Bunnie XO?

  I really wish people knew your heart and just like what a sweet woman you are.

• 3:40Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 3:41Bunnie XO?

  Even when I was mad at you, you're always so sweet. And I'm never really mad at you, but it was just like, you know, even when we've had disagreements, you're just always so sweet and I just love that about you.

• 3:50Speaker 04

  I love you. I truly do. So, you know, I just, I don't know, I just, I love being here and your heart is so amazing as well. And you're a strong woman, so.

• 3:59Bunnie XO?

  I love you. We're gonna go to dinner and catch up too, but I want to know what's going on with you. Like, catch me up. We're good. So I'm gonna do this interview a little bit different and I know that people who listen to me regularly are gonna pick up on that. Since Fifi was on my podcast nine years ago, almost.

• 4:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:15Bunnie XO?

  If you guys want to go back to that episode and find out about her background, her upbringing and everything we talked about in that podcast, that would be season one, episode one, I believe, right, Mimi? And um, but this one will be like kind of us just catching up and just um more of like an interview style. So tell me what's been going on with you?

• 4:34Speaker 04

  Oh, well, I took some time off and was just writing for other people and then um, you know, going through life and love and all the craziness. And then I decided to get back in the studio and I released a record, not last September, but the September before that called Emotion Sickness. And yeah, I just, just kind of, took me time, took me time. I needed a break. You know, I'd been working since I was 17. I'm about to be 40 at the end of the month.

• 5:06Bunnie XO?

  And you still look so young. I'm so jealous. I'm looking at you. I'm like, she hasn't aged one fucking bit, dude.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  Thanks, girl. So yeah, I just needed some time to, I don't know, get things together. I mean, in this industry, mental health is a really big thing.

• 5:23Bunnie XO?

  And taking a break is needed. Taking a break is so needed. I'm trying to teach my husband that because he's go, go, go, go, go. You know how Jay is. He's always been like that. And even more so now. And I'm just like, you have to take time to like, just for you.

• 5:37Speaker 04

  You do.

• 5:38Bunnie XO?

  Or else it's just, it can cause wreak havoc.

• 5:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, you do. I needed time with even my pets, you know, because I was always on the road and I just, I had lost two pets in the last like, because I had a bunch. Like, I have like a, like a coven of, of little fur girls. Like, they're just the best. And

• 5:56Bunnie XO?

  I love that you said coven, because I use that word all the time. That's what I call us.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  Oh, really? Yeah, exactly. So um, yeah, I lost two of them. And I was just like, man, I need to take time to spend time with them.

• 6:08Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my God. I couldn't imagine. This one is with me. He's been with me the past seven years and I couldn't imagine losing a fur baby. Like, no.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  It's the worst.

• 6:17Bunnie XO?

  We don't deserve animals. Like, their souls are so pure and so sweet.

• 6:21Speaker 04

  They're unconditional love. Like, they are the epitome of unconditional love.

• 6:24Bunnie XO?

  They don't care if you're sleeping in a fucking box. They are riding with you.

• 6:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty amazing. I mean, how much they love you. So losing them, I was like, man, it messed me up. It messed me up. It was hard for Michael, too, because, you know, our last one that just passed a few weeks ago, her name was Trailer Party. And

• 6:43Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I remember her.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, Trailer Party. She was the best. And I had never heard Michael cry so hard. It was like really toward him.

• 6:51Bunnie XO?

  Oh my god, I couldn't imagine. And we just started a farm too. So now I have even more animals that I'm attached to. We have mini donkeys.

• 7:00Bunnie XO?

  Mini donkeys.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 7:02Bunnie XO?

  It's our whole, our farm is all minis.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:04Bunnie XO?

  So we have mini cows, mini donkeys, mini pigs and

• 7:08Speaker 04

  Little minis.

• 7:08Bunnie XO?

  This literally happened all in one month, Fifi. I don't

• 7:11Speaker 04

  Oh my goodness.

• 7:12Bunnie XO?

  I don't know how I turned into a farmer. So I couldn't imagine just, you know, going through the pain of losing any of them because it's just so brutal.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  It's brutal.

• 7:19Bunnie XO?

  Since you took your break, what's been bringing you like joy?

• 7:24Speaker 04

  This is weird. But like video games. I know that's crazy, but I've been like, I like Xbox. I do.

• 7:34Bunnie XO?

  Because you can disassociate. Is your mind always, do you have like ADD and stuff like that?

• 7:38Speaker 04

  Well, I just go, like my mind goes like a mile a minute at night when I should be sleeping. Um, and I just can't shut it off.

• 7:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 7:47Speaker 04

  So yeah, you're right. Like when I'm playing, all I have to think about is press X, press A. And I don't have to think about like an email or

• 7:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 04

  work, which is, it is helpful.

• 7:56Bunnie XO?

  So what's your favorite video game? I gotta ask. Cause you know, all the gamers at home are like, I'm gonna go find Fifi.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  I know. Um, I love Evil Dead and

• 8:05Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so you like like the zombie games?

• 8:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I like, I like horror games and, um, which one did I just got the other day?

• 8:16Speaker 04

  Man, I can't think about it right now.

• 8:17Bunnie XO?

  I know Jay was playing like what Call of Duty? I don't even know.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  I heard that's hard.

• 8:21Bunnie XO?

  He, they're crazy.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:23Bunnie XO?

  Like they have like teams. They have like, I didn't know you were a gamer. Oh, I love to game. I'm with you every day. How did I not know that? That in Call of Duty only. I don't like any other games but that.

• 8:35Speaker 04

  That was hard.

• 8:36Bunnie XO?

  It is. It's been stimulation. I agree with you. It's the only time you can shut your brain off.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:42Bunnie XO?

  They literally have teams. And by the way, if you see me looking down at my phone, it's all these notes I have for you. So I'm not like over here texting or anything like that. They have like teams. So my husband would like go down and play for hours and I would go sit next to him and literally there's like six of them and they're like, I got your back and da, da, da, da. And I'm just like, how do you guys, I, I would be so fucking overstimulated. There's no way.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  That one's intense though.

• 9:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  It's like, people get pissed.

• 9:06Bunnie XO?

  Oh, like I've never cussed, I've never cussed at so many kids in my life.

• 9:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:11Bunnie XO?

  It's the worst.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  Actually grown adults want to throw those controllers.

• 9:17Speaker 04

  That's funny.

• 9:19Bunnie XO?

  I couldn't imagine that. So you've been in the game for a minute. Do you feel like the same Fifi from Take Me Away? Or has life completely rewritten the script for you?

• 9:29Speaker 04

  I feel very different from that girl, you know? At times it's like I'll have moments where I listen to the old album and I'll like get emotional and I'm like, oh, my gosh, like I'm still that person. But it's a crazy life. Like, as you know, like when you're in this world, like things happen so quickly that you almost forget what happens. It's like memories kind of get jumbled and because it's a lot, you know? You're overstimulated even in the industry. It's like a lot of stuff. So I don't know if I still completely relate to her, but I, I think I have a different love for her, you know? Like when you, your younger self, you're like, man, I was too hard on you or that kind of vibe? You know? Like, you were pretty.

• 10:14Speaker 04

  Stop being so hard on yourself. You know, that vibe?

• 10:17Bunnie XO?

  No, I get it 100%. I think I find myself a lot of the times romanticizing who I was. And it's like, even though I went through so much shit, I was not a great human. I look back and I'm just like, sometimes I get sad because I'm just like, God, if I'd have just realized in that moment how cool everything was and like how different shit was about to be. You know, it's like you almost go back and you just kind of like romanticize it, no matter how bad it was. You're just like, you know, you, you long for the little girl that didn't get to be.

• 10:47Speaker 04

  Yeah. You kind of wish that you could like tell her like everything's going to be cool and you got this and but again, that's a part of our journey. That makes us who we are as adults.

• 10:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. Your music has always been unapologetically you. Was there ever a time you felt pressured to be someone else in the industry?

• 11:07Speaker 04

  Oh, all the time. I mean, I still do at times, you know, where you're like, should I be doing this kind of TikTok? Or should I be doing, you know what I mean? Like you still feel that pressure in just a different way. Um, but I never felt comfortable, you know, if I didn't have like my leather jacket or.

• 11:26Bunnie XO?

  Would you still have it on? You still have some sort of leather on?

• 11:29Speaker 04

  Or like eyeliner or like just something that was kind of like my.

• 11:35Bunnie XO?

  Signature.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I always felt like I wasn't being myself if I tried something different.

• 11:41Bunnie XO?

  Where does, where does your style stem from? Like if you could like have maybe like three role models?

• 11:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, um, probably like I have a few like Joan Jett. Slash.

• 11:53Bunnie XO?

  Yes, I see it all as you're saying it. I'm like, yep, yep.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  And when I get like, when I do glam, like I always look at like old Kate Moss.

• 12:04Bunnie XO?

  She was fire, even Kate Moss now.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  I know, she's amazing.

• 12:08Bunnie XO?

  How do you not age on cocaine? I don't understand that. I don't understand. I love Kate Moss, she is a fucking icon, dude.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  She like, even when she's hammered, I'm like, how do I get that look?

• 12:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, literally she, I just saw a video of her on TikTok outside of someplace falling over. And she did it so gracefully in a mini skirt and heels, didn't show anything. If that was me, I'd have looked like a frigging wombat, just. I'd have ten people trying to pick me up, like I'd have had a broken hip. It would have been fucked up, but she, I mean, she's literally almost 50 and still just slaying.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  She looks amazing.

• 12:42Bunnie XO?

  No, it's crazy.

• 12:43Speaker 04

  It's crazy, like I love the smudge liner and.

• 12:46Bunnie XO?

  You, you've always done the smudge liner too.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  I have fun with it. I, it's like, I've been fortunate, the one thing that's been fortunate is like one of my friends always says, he's like, he's like, girl, you can look disheveled, that's your brand. I'm like, yeah, exactly.

• 13:00Bunnie XO?

  I love that though, disheveled. I love that, that's fucking hot though.

• 13:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:04Bunnie XO?

  Phoebe's bringing back the disheveled look. All right, so we're gonna take it back to the early days for a little bit.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 13:10Bunnie XO?

  The 2000s were such an iconic time in music. When you look back at that era, what's a memory that instantly makes you smile?

• 13:19Speaker 04

  Um, I loved hanging out with like the bands, you know, like when girls could rock out with the dudes. And I loved, you know, seeing Avril and, and Simple Plan. And I don't know, there was something about that time that was just like.

• 13:37Bunnie XO?

  Pure.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. And it was rock and roll.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:41Bunnie XO?

  Bring it the fuck back. I am tired of this mumble rap. I'm like, can we bring it back? Bring the band back.

• 13:48Speaker 04

  Right?

• 13:48Bunnie XO?

  I'm so ready for it.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  It just felt so, I don't know, raw and, you know, and even for the girls at that time, it was like for the females, we were just like, fuck it. You know, we didn't, we didn't care. We were in like Dickies and Converse and no makeup and.

• 14:03Bunnie XO?

  Still beautiful though, and holding your own next to these other, these men, you know?

• 14:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was, it was, I wanted to be on tour with the dudes because I wanted to like make them freaked out that I could rock or, you know, rock circles around. And that was a big deal for me. I, I always loved to like, put me with the dudes, man. That means a lot.

• 14:25Bunnie XO?

  Did you thrive on shock value as a youngster?

• 14:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:29Bunnie XO?

  I think I did too.

• 14:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Like I love to look at people like in the eye and make them uncomfortable. That was like when I was a kid.

• 14:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  And just like to see when they would turn their heads because they were uncomfortable with my stare.

• 14:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  That was fun.

• 14:43Bunnie XO?

  What's the one thing fans might not know about the making of Sunday Love or Joy?

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Well, Sunday Love was like my second album off the first one. And like I was really wanted to make, wanted to make an authentic rock record. So we got like a bunch of amazing rockers like Nina Gordon from Rukasalt and John Five. And just like. Awesome rad artists. And it was weird making the album because I named it at Sunday Love because it was my mom's like, my mom's stripper name. It was her name. Like, that's what she would go by. And she told me about it years when I was younger and it stuck with me. And I was like, well, I want to name this for her. So I did.

• 15:34Speaker 04

  And she was just amazing that way. Like, I don't know. So.

• 15:39Bunnie XO?

  I love that. So mom was a stripper.

• 15:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, she and many other things.

• 15:45Speaker 04

  And.

• 15:46Bunnie XO?

  We love that. Shout out mom. That's so fitting for this podcast.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  She's a single mom and just like made it work. And I don't know, I just loved, even like if she just danced at home, like just like being like, you know, just put on something and was just grooving around. Like, I always looked up to her dancing. I thought it was really rad.

• 16:04Bunnie XO?

  I didn't know. I don't think you told us about mom being a dancer in the first podcast. So that was a little bit of information that you just revealed. If 2003 Fifi could see you now, what would she say? Would it be shocked or just a nod like, yeah, this is exactly where we're headed?

• 16:20Speaker 04

  If she said to me, if my young Fifi said to me.

• 16:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, if you could see you now. If 2003 Fifi.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  Oh, would she be shocked? Would she be?

• 16:31Speaker 04

  I don't, I think she would be like, I don't know, actually.

• 16:37Bunnie XO?

  I feel like 2003 Fifi was wild.

• 16:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. She'd be like, wow, you wear dresses? Because I never wore a dress until I was like 24.

• 16:45Bunnie XO?

  Why was that?

• 16:47Speaker 04

  My mom used to put me in these like really fufu dresses and they were itchy. You remember that like that itchy tulle? What is it? I don't know what it was. What is it called?

• 16:56Bunnie XO?

  I don't know, but I know I can see it.

• 16:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, in the 80s and it was so itchy. And I hated them. And then I, I don't know, I got in the industry and like, I was just like, Dicky's girl. And I didn't want to like, I don't know, it was like kind of anti like dresses. And then one day. I just decided I wanted to put on a dress and my first dress that I put on it was for this MTV gig. And it was um the Versace uh dress with all the pins. Um it had the pins. It was like open on it was like a skirt and top.

• 17:31Bunnie XO?

  Can we bring that up for her to see? What what uh award show was it? Let's bring it up.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  It was a MTV um benefit. I think it was like a.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:42Bunnie XO?

  They'll bring it up while you're talking.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, and my hair was like super short and I wore a dress and that was the first time I wore a dress and I was like, I like feeling like this pretty girl.

• 17:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, did it made you feel it kind of gave you like, because you're like me, we're like cute tomboy.

• 17:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:58Bunnie XO?

  Like, you know, so whenever I do, like, there's no in between. I either look homeless or I'm glam. There's never a fucking in between.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 18:04Bunnie XO?

  You know, and so whenever I get dolled up too, I'm like, oh, okay, I feel girly and pretty. Does that make you like when you put a dress on, do you feel like you're in touch with your feminine energy a little bit more?

• 18:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I I like on stage, I'm a little more aggressive in my leather pants and all that stuff. And then, you know, if I'm going out for a nice dinner, I like.

• 18:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  Dressing up.

• 18:24Bunnie XO?

  When you want to turn.

• 18:27Speaker 04

  It was like a royal blue. Okay. And it had like.

• 18:30Bunnie XO?

  Did you find it?

• 18:31Speaker 04

  I'm looking for it right now. Wasn't that one?

• 18:34Bunnie XO?

  No. Let me see. Let me. She said it wasn't that one. Ew.

• 18:41Bunnie XO?

  You look so cute, though.

• 18:45Bunnie XO?

  Look at little baby thieves over there.

• 18:49Speaker 04

  I love this outfit, by the way. Are you kidding me?

• 18:51Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 18:54Bunnie XO?

  Listen, I still wear fucking leopard print. Don't play with me.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  Skirt on top of pants, though. That's like the.

• 18:59Bunnie XO?

  That is so 2000.

• 19:01Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, I love leopard. Leopard's life. It was like, um, it, uh, had super short hair. Maybe if you write short hair, I don't know.

• 19:15Bunnie XO?

  It's alright if we can't find it. But look at all the, like, you're still true to your style, though. Like, it's definitely edgier now, you know?

• 19:23Speaker 04

  No, but that's a fun one to put up. I got in so much trouble.

• 19:26Bunnie XO?

  Look how cute you look.

• 19:27Speaker 04

  I got in so much trouble for putting my middle fingers up.

• 19:29Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 19:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, back then.

• 19:31Bunnie XO?

  But not for being, wearing a see-through outfit? Like, don't put the middle fingers up, but just show your entire body. You look adorable, though.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  Oh, thanks, everything.

• 19:42Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  I love that you guys didn't just bring this up on the screen. That's hilarious. I love this.

• 19:47Bunnie XO?

  So we want to see. You were a rock star in an industry that didn't always make space for black women in that genre. Did you feel that pushback? And if so, how did you navigate?

• 19:57Speaker 04

  Starting so young, I really, I was kinda, I had blinders on. You know, I was more thinking about, is this boy gonna call me back? And while you're going through puberty and all, it's true. But I was going through all these things, you know, these changes and, um, I didn't even have my first kiss when I was like seventeen, like. I know, so I was like.

• 20:15Bunnie XO?

  Who was your first kiss?

• 20:19Speaker 04

  That one that was probably not supposed to be.

• 20:21Bunnie XO?

  Was it another famous person?

• 20:26Speaker 04

  Uh, nah, kind, mm.

• 20:33Bunnie XO?

  We don't gotta say names.

• 20:34Speaker 04

  I remember, I, I, I kinda remember that. I don't know.

• 20:39Speaker 04

  But yeah, I, I had a good team around me that like, basically was, um, protecting me from a lot of things and.

• 20:47Bunnie XO?

  Which is awesome, because a lot of kids back then didn't have that protection.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:51Bunnie XO?

  I feel like a lot of kids were like exploited and had to like, like were forced to.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  No, I was fortunate. I had like, a awesome team that was, that would deal with all the like, are you sure? As I got older, I realized what was happening and it was like, people would ask my manager, like, are you really sure that this black girl can, you know, is gonna succeed at rock and roll? And it's kinda like, it just, now as an adult, I'm like, that makes no sense.

• 21:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  Like, history. Like, it doesn't make any sense.

• 21:17Bunnie XO?

  But how special were you to be kind of like one of a kind? I mean, there wasn't very many other girls in the genre like you, right?

• 21:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was a ballsy move.

• 21:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 21:29Speaker 04

  You know?

• 21:30Bunnie XO?

  No, but how cool is that? Like, you're just always, you made history, pretty much, and I think that's really fucking cool.

• 21:36Speaker 04

  That's really cool.

• 21:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So let's talk about the soundtrack to life.

• 21:39Speaker 04

  Oh, yes.

• 21:40Bunnie XO?

  Your music has always had this raw rebellious energy. What's been inspiring you lately when you write?

• 21:48Speaker 04

  I love love. The good, the bad, you know, it's, it fuels me. And, um,

• 21:56Bunnie XO?

  That's because you're a Pisces.

• 21:57Speaker 04

  I am.

• 21:58Bunnie XO?

  I'm a Pisces Venus. I love love. And I might be rough around the edges, but I will go, the deeper through hell we go, the more I'm gonna love you.

• 22:07Speaker 04

  Yes. I'm like, why? You know, growing up, like, I loved tragic love films, like Romeo and Juliet, and Sinan see, and all the thing. And so I'm like,

• 22:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 22:19Speaker 04

  I'm like, what's wrong with me?

• 22:20Bunnie XO?

  Does it, have you ever done a past life regression?

• 22:22Speaker 04

  No, but I would love to.

• 22:23Bunnie XO?

  I would love to know. Me too. I haven't done one. I'm scared. I'm like, I don't want to know. But I do want to know. Like, it's a weird, morbid curiosity that I have, but I would love to know yours.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  I, I mean, it's interesting, because I feel like maybe if we did know, we'd be able to like, kind of carve out things for this lifetime, that we were supposed to learn, maybe a little faster.

• 22:43Bunnie XO?

  Yes. I feel like you and Yella definitely did several lifetimes together.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, we think so, too. It's, it's interesting. There's some people, you can look in their eyes and not really see much of anything, but like, I can look in his eyes and it's pretty intense. And some with friends, too. And you can see, like, oh, yeah, connecting with you on like, a completely different level.

• 23:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Can we talk about you and Yella for a little bit?

• 23:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:08Bunnie XO?

  Okay, how, you guys have been together for how long now?

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Off and on. Fifteen years.

• 23:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. No, it's been crazy. Can you tell us a little bit about that ride, that journey?

• 23:21Speaker 04

  Hi. Well, I met him when I was 25. He was 30. And I think he just got signed to Interscope. And, uh, or Shady. And, um, and no one ever tells you, we met at, at the Fantasy Factory, Rob Dyrdek's spot. And

• 23:41Bunnie XO?

  That's some lore right there.

• 23:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. And no one ever tells you, like,

• 23:49Speaker 04

  Being with another artist is a, it's a lot, it's a lot. Uh, because they're dealing with their own things and, you know, he's a man in the industry, a good looking man and I'm, you know, a woman that at this point at 25, I'm like, I'm ready for something serious, which was probably because I had started so young that I lived, you know, I'd lived this life in the industry. And he was just starting. So he was getting his wiggles out when we started dating. So we went through.

• 24:24Bunnie XO?

  I mean, 15 years in this industry is some, we gotta tip our hat to that because not a lot of people can do that. Jay and I are just barely creeping up on a decade and you, you know, we've been through shit too, but it's like, you, you just hit the nail on the head because I just talked about this in a recent podcast where I said, if you are with an artist, you have to be a really strong human. Like for one, there's, you know, just forget about all the traveling and the separation and all that stuff. It's the emotional side of it. There's a reason that you're an artist. So to have two artists in the same relationship has got to be so tricky to navigate because there's got to be just a sea of emotions.

• 25:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, and, and working through like, making sure that we're not competing with each other. That's a big one. It's like being supportive. And, and, you know, I, you, you know, I've a side stage for many years to, to see a show and support that way. And you kind of have to put your, your own artist ego at the door, which is a big, big important thing to do.

• 25:32Bunnie XO?

  Have you ever felt like you guys were in competition at any time?

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Well, when we play NBA 2K20 before, at this point 25, yes. Someone's sleeping on the couch.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  But we're very different, which was.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  We've probably had moments where it was like, someone has a, you know, I think the only time it kind of feels that way is if we're not

• 25:59Bunnie XO?

  close, you know?

• 26:01Speaker 04

  And, but when we're close and we're in tune, we don't feel that way. But it's, it's difficult. It's difficult, you know?

• 26:10Bunnie XO?

  The man loves you. I, I see him through all of it and every time I see him and you're not by his side, he's not himself.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  That means a lot. I mean, it's, it's wild because I've been very private online and he's a little bit more open about when he is going through whatever and or if we're not together. And I've had to see a lot of things that, you know, fans might be like, how can you get back with him or how can you do this? And and the truth is, unless you're in it, you just don't know.

• 26:48Bunnie XO?

  That and the heart wants what the heart wants.

• 26:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:51Bunnie XO?

  You know, you guys have something special. That's why I said, I think you guys have done numerous lifetimes together because you guys just have this, this moth to a flame type draw to each other and that's undeniable, you know? And no matter what you guys go through, it's just, you guys are always going to circle back to each other.

• 27:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. Seems like.

• 27:13Bunnie XO?

  Do you think you guys will ever get married? Like again? Are you guys like? Did you guys ever fully divorce?

• 27:19Speaker 04

  No.

• 27:19Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay. Okay. All right. I didn't know.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  I, I couldn't do it. I mean, we'd always threaten to do it and be like, oh yeah. Oh, send the papers right now. And, and no one would do it, you know?

• 27:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 27:31Speaker 04

  So.

• 27:32Bunnie XO?

  That's just even more proof that you guys just literally are each other's persons.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. And he always makes jokes too, because he's always like, what am I gonna do? Your name's on my face. Cause you know, it's like feet, feet and cross.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  It's like, okay, yeah, true.

• 27:47Bunnie XO?

  That's your dude, man. You guys are super cute. And I mean, you guys aesthetically are just a gorgeous couple.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 27:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  How do you like? How do you navigate through, you know, you and Jelly and like, you know?

• 28:00Bunnie XO?

  Well, I was actually gonna ask you guys, how do you guys navigate so privately? Because Jay and I have literally poured our entire relationship online. I mean, we've since day one have just been like, here we are, you know? And like, just kind of like, we got outed in the beginning, so we had to out ourselves, you know? And it was like, since then, we don't really have anything that's a secret. And I admire how you guys navigate because now that we're in the public eye a little bit more too, like how you guys are, it's like, there are some things I want to, for ourselves, you know? And I would love for you to give me any pointers on that. Because the way we navigate is we just fucking word vomit all over. I'm always, I always say there's an annoying person that's online and then there's the one that's like

• 28:45Bunnie XO?

  very crafty and like only appears when they need to. And I'm the annoying one that's online that tells everybody everything. And then Jay's the one who's like, yeah, you know, like in the background, you'll, you'll see him every now and then.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  Honestly, I've always been kind of like, pretty private. I think because, I don't know, I don't know why, actually. I probably could be a lot more open.

• 29:06Bunnie XO?

  I feel like you grew up in an era though, which was the same era that I grew up in.

• 29:09Speaker 04

  We didn't even have online, like.

• 29:11Bunnie XO?

  Literally. So it's like, you're, you're just old school. And the, and like how you, you function and which I think is beautiful because people don't really get to see everything, you know?

• 29:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, it's pretty good until I get like an email from your manager like, you gotta get on TikTok. We just need one TikTok.

• 29:31Bunnie XO?

  Ah, I'll help you.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  I would love that, actually. I need help.

• 29:35Bunnie XO?

  I will help you. Me and Mimi will help you. She made me get on TikTok too in 2020. I was like, I am not fucking shaking my ass on TikTok. I'm like, I'm not doing it because everybody was dancing and stuff.

• 29:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:47Bunnie XO?

  She's like, yeah, she's like, you don't have to do that. So it took me a long time to kind of find my, my niche on there. But really just talking to the camera and just being yourself is like what, people just want to know what you're fucking doing. You could wake up and post your breakfast every day and it'll get millions of views. Cause you're Tiki Dobson. There's so many, my boy Jordy Cray is obsessed with you. Like, he, he's like the, uh, what, what can we call him? He's like a TikTok, like, I don't want to call him a T page because I feel like he's more than a T page, but. He's an informational page. He's an informational outlet and he absolutely, when he knew that you were coming on the podcast, he was just like, "Oh my God."

• 30:23Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 30:24Bunnie XO?

  We might have to FaceTime him after, just so I can say you can say hi to him.

• 30:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:27Bunnie XO?

  Um, but just let's, I want to, I have a couple more questions about you and Yella. So you and Yella have been rocking together for years now. What do you think is the secret sauce that keeps the fire alive?

• 30:43Speaker 04

  Weirdly enough, I think, and I don't recommend this for, and I don't want to have any more time apart from him, but I think some time apart, kind of, you know?

• 30:57Speaker 04

  But...

• 30:59Bunnie XO?

  I love that you said, "I don't want any more time apart from him," because a lot, I think you guys are twin flames, like how Jay and I are. And Jay and I went through separations also.

• 31:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:08Bunnie XO?

  And I think you guys both have to just come to a point where you're just like, "You know what? We're in this together, no matter fucking what. If we need to take a break, I'm gonna go vacation."

• 31:17Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:17Bunnie XO?

  For two weeks and then I'm gonna come back and we're gonna figure this shit the fuck out. And that's what Jay and I had to do. You know, we had to just say, "Okay, we're not gonna, one of us isn't gonna be a runner anymore." Cause I know, who's the runner? You? Him? Oh.

• 31:30Speaker 04

  Although, I think it reversed.

• 31:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  For many years, he was the runner. And then it happened so many times that I was like, "Maybe I should run a little bit."

• 31:42Bunnie XO?

  PTSD though. You probably were like, "Let me run before he can run and hurt me."

• 31:46Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. So we've, yeah, we've spent a lot of time apart. We've missed birthdays. We've missed really important times. So.

• 31:59Bunnie XO?

  I think you guys are gonna figure it out. And as we get older, we calm down a lot too, you know?

• 32:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, him as a man, it's a good thing.

• 32:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh, good. We love a docile Yella wolf.

• 32:11Speaker 04

  I like that he's calming down. It makes me happy.

• 32:14Bunnie XO?

  Oh, good. Are you guys ever gonna collab together?

• 32:17Speaker 04

  Actually, we're just in the studio with him and I'll try to hook, so.

• 32:21Bunnie XO?

  Yay. I love when you guys collab.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  Yay.

• 32:24Bunnie XO?

  I think it's beautiful. I think you guys get to really, truly see you guys' love through music also, so.

• 32:29Speaker 04

  Well, the first time we ever tried, we went to Studio Tree Sounds in Atlanta and we were just dating. And that did not end up well. We started, it's just, you can't play that. That's the wrong note. Like, we were just getting at each other, but now we're like, we respect each other's process.

• 32:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I love it. It's growth.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:47Bunnie XO?

  You guys are growing up in front of my eyeballs.

• 32:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:50Bunnie XO?

  So let's, let's take it back to your music.

• 32:52Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 32:53Bunnie XO?

  What's a song from your catalog that still hits you right in the feelers every time you hear it?

• 33:00Speaker 04

  Hmm. Well, Scar from Sunday Love. Uh, I wrote that with a good friend, Matthew Wilder, who actually is the lead singer of the, what's that song? Um, Break Your Stride, from the eighties.

• 33:12Bunnie XO?

  Ain't nobody gonna break my stride?

• 33:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:14Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  Um, and he's an amazing writer. He wrote, um, Reflection for Mulan and like, he's just, he's just like, when you go there and you work with him, he's like a guru. He's just like such a sweet man. And so Scar was a special one because he literally just took my poetry or like just journal writing. And I was going through the situation with this guy and, um, I would just read it to him and then he would take little bits from it and just put into a song with me and it was a really cool process.

• 33:44Bunnie XO?

  I think the art of writing music is so poetic. Like, it's crazy how songs come about. And like, what is, what would you say that your process is in the studio for writing music? Do you have like a ritual that you perform before?

• 33:56Speaker 04

  I definitely need wine. That's, I need some wine.

• 33:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. It gets the emotions flowing. Gets the juices, the creative juices going.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  Um.

• 34:05Bunnie XO?

  What's your favorite wine?

• 34:07Speaker 04

  I love Sauternes. Like, I love a good French wine.

• 34:09Bunnie XO?

  Is it white or red?

• 34:12Speaker 04

  It's white, but I like a red when I'm like trying to chill, but.

• 34:16Bunnie XO?

  I don't like red. There's nothing sexy about red wine. Your teeth get gray. Like, I can't do it. You smile.

• 34:22Speaker 04

  Do you like champagne? Do you like champagne?

• 34:23Bunnie XO?

  I do. I used to, I saw, you know, I'm sober now.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  I didn't know that.

• 34:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, girl. I've been sober. Thank you. I've been sober since 2017 off pills and cocaine and then 2018 off alcohol.

• 34:33Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 34:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. But before, I was a great time. You got to experience that.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  Well, congrats. That's, that's hard. It's hard.

• 34:41Bunnie XO?

  It is. It is. Till it's not. And I always tell everybody, you know, sobriety is a beautiful journey, but you gotta really get real with yourself. All the shit that you've numbed and masked with alcohol, pills, drugs, all that, when you don't have anything in your system, that shit hits you full force.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I try to take time off here and there from drinking. Sometimes it gets, here's the thing too, is like, it's everywhere, you know, when you're touring, when, you know, free, free, free, you know, and, um, and then getting on stage, you're like, I need something. I need something before I, so that's, that's a hard thing to kinda deal with.

• 35:21Bunnie XO?

  But that's your process and when you're ready to, and sobriety isn't for everybody, you know, like, so, so I feel like as long as you're not killing yourself and like disrupting your everyday life with it, I think that, you know.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  That's amazing. Congrats. That's, it's beautiful.

• 35:39Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate you. Um, so what is, what's another ritual besides wine in your, in the studio? For your creative process?

• 35:46Speaker 04

  A ritual, um,

• 35:51Speaker 04

  I, I'm a, I like melodies. Like I'm a melody person. So more than a lyrical person. Um, like Michael's amazing at lyrics. Like he can just spit lyrics like at the top of his head.

• 36:01Bunnie XO?

  Phenomenal.

• 36:02Speaker 04

  So good with it. And I'm more melody. So I just need to like hear like some chords or like piano being, a piano being played or some guitar chords. And then I kinda just hum something. And Jim Johnson taught me, um, holy ghosting, which I love, which is just get on the mic and let whatever's coming through you, just even if it's just mumbling and you have some melody going with that. And he'll listen to it and be like, oh, did you hear that? You said that word there. And like, it's like you're doing it subconsciously, you know?

• 36:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 36:33Speaker 04

  Kinda cool.

• 36:33Bunnie XO?

  That's pretty organic. I like that. You do strike me as a melodic person because your music, like your songs, especially ones that have gotten huge, they have those melodies that stick in your mind.

• 36:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love melodies.

• 36:45Bunnie XO?

  Whereas like if you listen to Yellow Wolf's music, it's like his lyrics, you know, like he's got that one like lyric in the song that you just wanna scream at the top of your lungs. So yeah, I can totally see that. Are there any artists right now that make you want to collaborate with them? Like, I, like, you're, anybody that you could collaborate right now? Like, I want to, I would kill to work with them.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  Dude, Amy L and the Sniffers, I think that's what their band name is, they're from Australia.

• 37:11Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm, I haven't heard them, I'll have to look them up.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  She's like a female front woman and she's amazing.

• 37:17Bunnie XO?

  The Sniff, Amy Allen and the Sniffers?

• 37:19Speaker 04

  Amy L, I think, Amy and then just an L and the Sniffers, yeah.

• 37:22Bunnie XO?

  Can you bring that up for us, so we can hear some of her stuff?

• 37:24Speaker 04

  She's badass and her visuals are crazy.

• 37:28Bunnie XO?

  Is she rock music?

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:29Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we'll have to, we're gonna check her out right now.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  Just kick ass.

• 37:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. And they're from Australia?

• 37:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:35Bunnie XO?

  You would never think that there would be rock bands from Australia.

• 37:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, her new visuals for, uh, I think it's called, oh, that song Jerkin? It's crazy.

• 37:46Bunnie XO?

  Jerkin?

• 37:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:47Bunnie XO?

  I, listen, the Sniffers, Jerkin, I am here for this girl.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, it's, it's sick.

• 37:53Bunnie XO?

  I love this.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  It's raunchy.

• 38:05Bunnie XO?

  She's beautiful. Yeah.

• 38:18Bunnie XO?

  She reminds me of somebody, who is it? Who does she remind me of?

• 38:23Speaker 04

  I don't know. And the visuals are so awesome.

• 38:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 38:32Bunnie XO?

  She's very like, Veruca Salt meets like Courtney Love.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 38:37Bunnie XO?

  Type, yeah.

• 38:40Bunnie XO?

  Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely whole, like, the whole days.

• 38:43Speaker 04

  It's just so, like, it's so refreshing, I love seeing female front women, it's like,

• 38:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, me too, always.

• 38:49Speaker 04

  So good.

• 38:50Bunnie XO?

  Girl power, always. I'm gonna check out some more of them.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Like a pause.

• 38:54Speaker 04

  I'm like, turn it off.

• 38:57Bunnie XO?

  I'm gonna check out more of her music later.

• 38:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 39:00Bunnie XO?

  What's one thing that people assume about you that's totally wrong?

• 39:10Speaker 04

  Back in the day, it would always be like, what is she on? Like, that was it.

• 39:15Bunnie XO?

  Don't you love that? When people are like, accuse you of being on drugs. And you're like, wait, what?

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Those were just my eyes. I have hooded eyes, like, what?

• 39:25Speaker 04

  I'm just seductive.

• 39:28Bunnie XO?

  Were you on drugs back then, when people were asking?

• 39:31Speaker 04

  No, that's what's funny, because when I was dabbling in drugs, like, that's when they were like, she looks great.

• 39:39Speaker 04

  And when I wasn't, it was like, she's on something, there's a problem here. And I'm like, fuck.

• 39:44Bunnie XO?

  You're like, what the fuck?

• 39:44Speaker 04

  I can't win.

• 39:46Bunnie XO?

  If you had to create like an alter like ego, like what Beyonce has with Sasha Fierce, what would your alter ego be like?

• 39:52Speaker 04

  Sunday love.

• 39:53Bunnie XO?

  Sunday love?

• 39:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:55Bunnie XO?

  I love that you hold your mom so close to you like that. What does that represent for you? What does she represent for you?

• 40:00Speaker 04

  You know, we've had an up, you know, our ups and downs and... But just, you know, she's a warrior to me. And like a single mother of four kids, like, made it work. And looking beautiful. And, I don't know. You know, we didn't have a lot of money, but things that I did really need, which was a karaoke machine, which is what got me started. And, you know, we had food and we had shoes. They may have been 12 bucks, but they were, you know, yeah.

• 40:32Bunnie XO?

  It doesn't matter if something was 12 dollars or, you know, like...

• 40:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, she made it work and she also had amazing, like, well, for her, it wasn't vintage, but to me, it was vintage. So I'd go through like barrels of like her clothes from the 60s and 70s and rock that at school, you know?

• 40:49Bunnie XO?

  Do you have any of her pieces still?

• 40:50Speaker 04

  I do.

• 40:51Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do.

• 40:52Bunnie XO?

  What do you have? Do you wear it on stage? Or is it like a good luck charm for you?

• 40:57Speaker 04

  Some of them are like femme, like the dresses. I have some of those pieces. And this cross, the cross I wear, I never... This is like one of the only gifts I got from her as an adult. And I wear it all the time, like, it's like superstition. Superstition, is that right? Superstition?

• 41:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I, yeah. Sunday love would definitely be.

• 41:22Bunnie XO?

  I love that. Being the rock star that you are, what is the most rock star thing you've ever done?

• 41:29Bunnie XO?

  That you can say without getting in trouble?

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Whoo. I'm trying to think. I mean, I've done the all-nighters. I've done the partying. I've done...

• 41:43Bunnie XO?

  Have you ever fucked up a hotel room? Like, just gone crazy and, like, smashed the TV?

• 41:48Speaker 04

  No, I was too scared. Honestly, I was scared.

• 41:52Bunnie XO?

  I don't blame you.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  I've seen Wolf and Bones and those guys do a number on something.

• 41:58Bunnie XO?

  I've seen Wolf smash his own fucking monitors onstage.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that might be the most rock star thing I've done dating him.

• 42:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. There you go. Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 04

  Like, come on.

• 42:10Bunnie XO?

  You're literally ranking a real-life fucking just werewolf over there.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Right?

• 42:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. You're the beast master.

• 42:17Speaker 04

  Beast master.

• 42:18Bunnie XO?

  Girl. Listen. Uh, so let's talk about what's next. Your fans are hungry for new music. What can you tell us about what's coming up next?

• 42:28Speaker 04

  Um, well, I need to get back in the studio. I've been kind of dragging my feet, but now I'm starting to get inspired again.

• 42:39Speaker 04

  So I think, yeah, just getting back in the studio, writing some songs.

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Doing, uh, this tour with Avril in the summer.

• 42:49Bunnie XO?

  Yay.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  So I really wanted, like, at least a couple of new tracks to present.

• 42:54Bunnie XO?

  Is it a big tour that you guys are doing? Let's talk about the tour.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's doing, um, she's been on her greatest hits tour, and I was just on it before the new year. I did some dates, and then they asked me back, so, um, yeah, I'm excited. I love her so much. She's such an awesome, awesome woman.

• 43:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I haven't got to. I think I saw her at an award show. I haven't got to, like, actually meet her, though.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  She'd love you.

• 43:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Oh, I think she follows me on Instagram.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 43:20Bunnie XO?

  Maybe I'll say hi.

• 43:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, she's awesome. You'd love her.

• 43:24Bunnie XO?

  Good. Is she, like, girl power, like, how you are, too?

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I think as she's getting older, she's like, you know, we start at the same time. We're both from Canada.

• 43:33Bunnie XO?

  It's familiar.

• 43:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, and she's always been very supportive of me and, and, and I of her, so it's, um, it's nice.

• 43:43Bunnie XO?

  Where can people buy tickets if they want to go?

• 43:47Speaker 04

  I think

• 43:47Bunnie XO?

  Do you know what dates you're doing yet? Or?

• 43:49Speaker 04

  Um, I do, but I don't remember them.

• 43:52Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  I mean, that's, that's like, that made no sense then. I was like, I do, but I don't.

• 43:56Bunnie XO?

  Just Google if you guys wanna go.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  It's on her flyer, like flyer. It's on her post flyer.

• 44:04Bunnie XO?

  We're 90s and 2000s babies over here.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  On her social media and then online as well.

• 44:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. Maybe we'll come to a show if you guys are close. That would be so fun.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  That would be amazing.

• 44:16Bunnie XO?

  I wanna see you in your element, cuz all these years that I've known you, I've never got to see you in your element. Have I? No, I don't think I have.

• 44:23Speaker 04

  Michael's coming too.

• 44:24Bunnie XO?

  Is he?

• 44:24Speaker 04

  I think he's gonna come for the Niagara Falls.

• 44:26Bunnie XO?

  Yay.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:27Bunnie XO?

  Awesome. Alright, cool. Maybe we'll, we'll be able to come. I know Daddy's touring a little bit this year, but we have a lot of off time too, so maybe we can definitely make that happen. You've evolved so much as an artist. What's something new that you're exploring in your sound this time around? Like when you do start writing, what do you think you'll be doing that's different?

• 44:47Speaker 04

  I think respecting that I'm in a, like, that I'll be 40. I think, like, really coming from, like,

• 44:55Speaker 04

  you know, the, the woman that I've become.

• 45:00Bunnie XO?

  That sounds like an album title. The Woman That I've Become. I love that.

• 45:04Speaker 04

  And like, just not try to, I don't know, like,

• 45:09Speaker 04

  I don't wanna go back in time, you know, I wanna move forward. And I respect what I've done in the past, but I, I do wanna move forward. And I'd love to have a child too, at some point, and I think that would inspire my writing as well.

• 45:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we need a little thieves running around. Oh my god, your kid with your face would be so fucking cute, dude. I can see it now. I'm visual. You gotta manifest it.

• 45:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I really do. I mean, I'm,

• 45:36Speaker 04

  you know, life is, I, I don't have control over what goes on inside, right? I mean, as I'm getting older, so I'm like, I'm, I have to be, I'm, I'm ready, I think.

• 45:45Bunnie XO?

  Are you guys trying to have a baby?

• 45:48Bunnie XO?

  Indirectly?

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 45:52Bunnie XO?

  Oh, is yellow open to having a baby?

• 45:54Speaker 04

  Oh, he wants a child, yeah.

• 45:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh my god, it's gonna happen. You're putting it in the universe, so it's gonna happen.

• 46:00Speaker 04

  It'd be cool.

• 46:01Bunnie XO?

  Being a woman. Oh, just trying to procreate these days. After all the shit we've done with our bodies is like, you know, it's hard, you know? I lived a very rough life, so I put my body through a lot of shit. I don't know about you, but you know, yeah, everybody's bodies are different, but it's gonna happen for you guys.

• 46:19Speaker 04

  Thanks.

• 46:19Bunnie XO?

  I'm really excited. Alright, so I'm gonna ask you some rapid fire questions and you have to answer fast.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  Alright, I'll try.

• 46:28Bunnie XO?

  Alright. Dream festival lineup, who's playing?

• 46:31Speaker 04

  Uh, who's playing? Dream festival lineup? Well, Amy L, the sniffers?

• 46:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Um, uh, ooh, let's throw, I don't know, Mariah Carey in there.

• 46:43Bunnie XO?

  Wow, what a diverse festival. Would Mariah even step out into a festival with the heels on? You know how bougie she is?

• 46:53Speaker 04

  But that would be hilarious.

• 46:53Bunnie XO?

  She'd be like me, a festival girl? Never.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:56Bunnie XO?

  You get one superpower, what are you choosing?

• 46:59Speaker 04

  Uh, flying.

• 47:01Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that. What is it about flying that you love?

• 47:05Speaker 04

  I don't know, I dream of it a lot, that I can fly out of situations, feel safe.

• 47:10Bunnie XO?

  Hmm, I love that. Just be above ground and watch everything. I love that. If you weren't doing music, what would you be doing?

• 47:18Speaker 04

  Uh, does acting count? Or is that still in the same?

• 47:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, I mean, I think acting's hard, dude. Not that being a musician isn't, but acting is another craft.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, acting. Or working with dolphins, I don't know.

• 47:34Bunnie XO?

  She's like, both, fuck it. Uh, what's the weirdest rumor you've ever heard about yourself?

• 47:40Speaker 04

  Um, weirdest rumor in the hair? Uh, I don't know if I have heard any rumors.

• 47:49Bunnie XO?

  She's like, I stay, she's like, I stay so under the radar, bitches, you guys do not know.

• 47:54Speaker 04

  I'm like, that's great, so that'd be great.

• 47:57Bunnie XO?

  Let's get the rumor, rumor mill flying.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:00Bunnie XO?

  Uh, one thing you can't go on tour without?

• 48:04Speaker 04

  Um, my leather pants.

• 48:09Bunnie XO?

  What did you say? I'm so sorry.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  Leather pants.

• 48:11Bunnie XO?

  Leather pants. Oh, yeah. No, I agree. Or leather jacket.

• 48:13Speaker 04

  And leather jacket.

• 48:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, totally.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  Combo.

• 48:16Bunnie XO?

  And we're gonna close this out. What is something that you're working on that fans can get hyped for? Besides new music?

• 48:23Speaker 04

  Um.

• 48:24Bunnie XO?

  And the tour with Avril.

• 48:27Bunnie XO?

  It's a lot.

• 48:30Speaker 04

  There's a movie. I'm in a movie.

• 48:32Bunnie XO?

  Yay.

• 48:33Speaker 04

  And that's coming out. I think the premiere is the end of the month. And, uh, yeah, it's kind of like a love letter to Scarborough, which is where I'm from. Um, yeah.

• 48:45Bunnie XO?

  What's your part in the movie?

• 48:47Speaker 04

  I'm a nurse, um, that is in a relationship with a a younger guy who ultimately gets put in a really tough situation and there's a lot of, uh, yeah, violence and sadness, but it, at the end of the day, the movie is about hope and, um, being resilient. So.

• 49:08Bunnie XO?

  Does it have a name?

• 49:10Speaker 04

  Morningside.

• 49:11Bunnie XO?

  Morningside.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, Morningside. It's, it's directed by my friend Ron Diaz from Toronto. And yeah, that's something different.

• 49:18Bunnie XO?

  How can people watch it? Can we watch it?

• 49:20Speaker 04

  I think it'll be in theaters, actually. Yeah.

• 49:23Bunnie XO?

  Look at you, my little actress.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it'll be in theaters. I don't know if it'll be in theaters like in Nashville or like whatever, but it'll be somewhere.

• 49:33Bunnie XO?

  Do you think it'll all be on streaming ever?

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:35Bunnie XO?

  I feel like everything goes to fucking streaming now.

• 49:36Speaker 04

  Everything goes to streaming like in like two weeks.

• 49:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah. I don't even know why we have.

• 49:40Speaker 04

  Nosferatu is out and everyone's like, we have to go see it in the theater. And then it was like, five days later, it's, it's.

• 49:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I don't even know why they have theaters anymore. I feel like it's just like an, uh, like a, um, what do they call it? Like a, um, God, what is the word?

• 49:52Speaker 04

  Nostalgic, like.

• 49:52Bunnie XO?

  Nostalgic, yes.

• 49:54Speaker 04

  The thing is though, when you go, you literally have everyone talking and we, Michael and I went to go see this movie called Presence the other day. And we had, it was so bad. It's supposed to be a horror movie and I, I'm a horror buff. I love horror films. And it was so bad that like I started busting out laughing in like the middle of a really quiet scene and Michael looks at me and goes.

• 50:16Bunnie XO?

  We gotta get out of here. Let's just go.

• 50:17Speaker 04

  Cause we were gonna both die laughing. So we had our popcorn and we, and he had his jalapenos and his nachos with his cheese.

• 50:25Bunnie XO?

  What's your favorite horror movie? Cause one of my girlfriends is a huge horror fan and she even reads like the horror books. Do you read those too?

• 50:33Speaker 04

  No.

• 50:33Bunnie XO?

  Okay. I don't, I don't know if that's something you'd be into. I don't, well, it's, I forget the name of it. I'll have to go look. I'll, I'll send it to you. I'll screenshot it to you, but she was telling me about how she's reading this book where this guy takes this lady's body, rips her arms off and her teeth out and then like has his way with her. And I'm like, why are you reading that? What the fuck about that turns you on?

• 50:54Speaker 04

  I kinda get why the teeth were taken out.

• 50:59Bunnie XO?

  I mean, I didn't even think that far ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you're not that much of a horror, like into like the crazy stuff like that.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  My favorite horror movie is like The Exorcist.

• 51:09Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 51:10Speaker 04

  I love, you know, a good Freddy Krueger. I love Freddy Krueger. So I love Mary on the street. And then, um, uh, exorcism of Emily Rose. I like, I like that kinda more like slashers. I'm not a big slasher.

• 51:23Bunnie XO?

  Right. Okay. So you like, like that, like fantasy, dreamy, like horror.

• 51:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. I like,

• 51:30Speaker 04

  I like possession.

• 51:32Bunnie XO?

  Okay. So like spiritual. What about the exorcism was like fantasy? I've never watched it. I'm scared. I get scared with like spiritual shit. I'm afraid something's gonna latch on to me.

• 51:43Speaker 04

  No, it's true. It's one of those things. You have to be very,

• 51:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 51:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. Careful with what you, you watch. Like Michael, he's less about that. But I just make sure that everything's protected. I have people in my life that cleanse the mirrors and do all the things, which is very important.

• 52:00Bunnie XO?

  You have to have a team. Are you into like witchcraft and stuff like that? I didn't know that. So do you practice?

• 52:07Speaker 04

  I grew up with it around my home and my mom could read cards and she was very spiritually in tuned and could see things and sense things. So it was just natural that I

• 52:22Bunnie XO?

  gravitate.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I think it's sometimes people think hear that word and they get scared and there's a lot of like beauty in that and like, you know, there's always good and bad.

• 52:34Bunnie XO?

  Of course. And that's what I was just about to say. I was like, I don't think people, people realize, people think when they hear the word witchcraft, they think about like how the Bible is always like, oh, it's so bad and blah, blah, blah. But really, if you think about it in the Bible, they talk about manifesting. They talk about like spell work and stuff like that. And

• 52:50Speaker 04

  or even lighting a candle. We like candles all the time.

• 52:53Bunnie XO?

  Communion is a ritual that people do in Christian churches and Catholic churches.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  And honestly, like, there are good people, there are bad people. People are going to use things for good or for darkness, for anything.

• 53:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:07Speaker 04

  You know, so I have a lot of good,

• 53:12Speaker 04

  beautiful.

• 53:14Bunnie XO?

  People who protect you.

• 53:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, with beautiful light around them. So.

• 53:17Bunnie XO?

  And you're protected in the spiritual realm, too.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, now I got puppies up there. I got my dogs. I got extra protection. I love my girl so much.

• 53:26Bunnie XO?

  Vivi, thank you so much for coming back.

• 53:28Speaker 04

  Thank you for having me.

• 53:29Bunnie XO?

  I'm just so happy to be sitting here with you and I'm just, I can see the growth in you too. Like, it's so sweet. Not, not that you needed growth or anything like that, but you know, I mean, 10 years is a huge thing. So I can just see like how much, you know, life you've lived since we met.

• 53:45Speaker 04

  Thank you. I appreciate that.

• 53:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Tell people where they can find you.

• 53:50Speaker 04

  Well, I guess I have a TikTok.

• 53:52Bunnie XO?

  I'm gonna go follow it right now. I'm so excited.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  And then I think my actual Instagram is Vivi Dobson. I actually don't even know. Is my Instagram Vivi Dobson?

• 54:04Bunnie XO?

  We'll look it up right now.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh. Everyone's like, what the heck?

• 54:08Bunnie XO?

  TikTok is Vivi Dobson too, right?

• 54:10Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 54:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, they're all following right now.

• 54:14Speaker 04

  That's me.

• 54:15Bunnie XO?

  Dude, you and Yella should make some TikToks. They'll go viral.

• 54:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:19Bunnie XO?

  Or even, dude, go on TikTok and sing one of your, your classic songs like to the, like, just like you getting ready. That would fucking go viral, dude.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, I need your help.

• 54:27Bunnie XO?

  I got you.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  I love when musicians are like stripped down like you said.

• 54:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:31Speaker 04

  I want to do that thing that they, what do they do at Starbucks where you make your, your significant person like, you know, order you a drink that doesn't exist and they get so frustrated?

• 54:40Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 54:41Speaker 04

  Please.

• 54:41Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my God, he would get so mad, too.

• 54:43Speaker 04

  Oh, he gets so.

• 54:44Bunnie XO?

  Do it.

• 54:45Speaker 04

  It would be so funny.

• 54:47Bunnie XO?

  Do it, please. Not at the cost of anything, an argument, but please, just do it. I think it would be so funny, dude.

• 54:53Speaker 04

  So funny. Yay. Yay.

• 54:55Bunnie XO?

  You guys, go follow Phoebe right now. She needs all the love on TikTok, please. And I can't wait to see you just succeed and keep growing like you have been.

• 55:03Speaker 04

  I appreciate it. Yeah. Love you. Love you.

• 55:06Bunnie XO?

  Thank you, guys, for tuning into another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you, guys, next week. Bye.

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