Maury Povich: Open Relationship? Insulting Muhammad Ali, IVF Journey & More!

(Originally aired: 11/2/25) Step into the world of daytime TV royalty as Bunnie is joined by the legendary Maury Povich. In this candid conversation, Maury takes us through his unforgettable journey from the newsroom to becoming a cultural phenomenon, thanks to outrageous teen drama and those iconic “You are NOT the father!” moments. He shares standout memories — including a powerful interview with Muhammad Ali — and opens up about the meaningful adoption journey he and Connie Chung experienced together. Maury also weighs in on social media’s impact, the value of local journalism, and what his well-earned retirement looks like now (spoiler: golf is definitely involved). Plus, he gives a peek behind the scenes of the thriving Montana newspaper he and Connie run. A legendary career, a timeless storyteller — this one’s special. Maury Povich- YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@onparpod | Instagram https://www.instagram.com/onparpod | TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@onparpod Watch Full Episodes & More: YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Dumbblondepod

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• 0:11Bunnie XO?

  Is this thing on? Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today, we welcome a man whose name doesn't just live in pop culture, it defines it. From the newsroom to daytime TV, from serious journalism to unforgettable, you are not the father moments. Maury Povich has been making America laugh, cry, and sometimes sprint off the stage for decades.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 0:36Bunnie XO?

  Was that a good intro?

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Very good, Bunny. Terrific.

• 0:39Bunnie XO?

  Mr. Maury Povich is on Dumb Blonde.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Well, no, it's my honor to be with you.

• 0:42Bunnie XO?

  You don't understand, like you are the godfather. You're like, you have no idea, like.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  You know, everybody says something like that, and I just, I mean, I'm amazed at how penetrating it's been over all these years.

• 0:57Bunnie XO?

  Six decades.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  I know, a long time.

• 1:00Bunnie XO?

  That is.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  But I mean, especially the talk show, you know, everybody, it's like, it's part of the culture.

• 1:07Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  And I never expected it. And, and still I'm amazed.

• 1:12Bunnie XO?

  And that's why you're a frickin' legend. I'm telling you, because you're so humble about it, and because you didn't, you didn't seek it out, it kind of found you in a way, which we'll talk about.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:23Bunnie XO?

  And you literally made history for.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Well, you're very kind.

• 1:28Bunnie XO?

  Decades, it's just been insane. Can we bring daytime TV back?

• 1:32Speaker 01

  You know, it's interesting. I'm doing, believe it or not, I'm doing a documentary.

• 1:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  On the golden age of daytime talk, which was the 1990s. So that's when 12 of us were on the air. You had 12 daytime talk shows.

• 1:51Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  I mean, we're talking Oprah, Phil Donahue, Geraldo, me, Jenny Jones, Ricky Lake, I mean, Montel Williams, I could go on and on.

• 2:01Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  And it was this decade.

• 2:04Bunnie XO?

  An unforgettable decade.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07Bunnie XO?

  I feel like the world, especially right now, and this isn't to get like too into that subject, but like, we need something to give us an escape. Like, yes, we have reality TV and stuff like that, but it was nothing like what daytime TV did for us. And it was like, you know, if you were ever having a bad day, you just turn the TV on and guess what? You're gonna watch Maury, you're gonna, I loved Jenny Jones, you know, there was Ricky Lake, there was everybody that was an outlet. And because right now, everybody's just so focused on religion and politics, it's like, I truly feel like if we brought daytime TV back, it would help heal America.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  You know, you said something that, that, one of the big things I said to my staff about my show, no politics, no religion.

• 2:54Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  We don't want to do that. Be glad to do, you know, individual stories that have a lot of emotion, a lot of drama, because that's why people want to watch, but I want to stay away from religion, I want to stay away from politics.

• 3:07Bunnie XO?

  You can't win, absolutely. And I do the same thing on my podcast. What is it like having a podcast now? Because you're coming from, like, real journalism that you went to school for, that you actually graduated and got a degree in, and now everybody has a podcast.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:24Bunnie XO?

  I would love to hear your opinion on this.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  It's interesting. I, I think because most people, for the last 31 years, I was doing this talk show, and they know about that part of my life, and the fact that I've done that, but not many people knew that, you know, I had 25 years in the business before that.

• 3:42Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  As a journalist, and worked in, I grew up and raised in Washington DC, I worked there, I worked in Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia. I was, in fact, one guy, a friend of mine, was writing for Esquire magazine. He said, "My friend, the anchorman, Maury Povich, I have seen him anchor newscasts in four different cities on four successive St. Patty's days. He's trying to go nationwide, city by city." Because that was kind of like my, you know, my odyssey years. I was just out there trying to make it, make it, and make it. And, and I had to move around, and I had disagreements with management and all this

• 4:27Speaker 01

  kind of stuff. And then I finally went back to my hometown of Washington, and then this wild Australian Rupert Murdoch.

• 4:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Buys the station and brings me to New York to start this crazy show called A Current Affair, and the rest is history.

• 4:42Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like you defined pop culture, or do you feel like pop culture defined you?

• 4:48Speaker 01

  You know, I think it's a chicken and an egg. I really do. I believe that we came up with this idea, these ideas of three huge themes that made it. The out of control teenagers, who would come on the show because they wanted to run the streets, because they hated being home, and they wanted unconditional love, and they wanted to get pregnant at 14. We had that kind of theme. We had the lie detector theme, where significant others would bring, they would bring on their spouse or a significant other and accuse them of cheating. And so we had the lie detector test, and then of course, the DNA, which was the most popular.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  But the reason it was successful is because we had an answer, we had a result, and we did it within 15 minutes. Not like daytime soap operas, which would take six months to get through these themes.

• 5:43Bunnie XO?

  Right, absolutely. Doing those shows, because you, Maury ran for 31 seasons, so that's 5,545 episodes. That's a lot of episodes, one of the longest running talk show hosts. How did you keep your empathy alive when you saw like so many stories that could have just made you jaded?

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Well, I think more than anything else, it goes back to my, to my beginnings as a journalist. We're storytellers. And, and I always found, it didn't matter if the theme was the same, I believed that every story had a unique quality about it. And so, if you can buy into that, that every story has a unique quality, then your curiosity is there. Once you're curious, that means that you're doing your job the best. And so therefore, I just found out that if I could just find a unique aspect in every single story, it was new to me.

• 6:43Bunnie XO?

  I love that outlook, because, you know, I was just telling them before you came, it's like, how do you interview people that have had thousands of interviews? And to me, it's like, I just always want to learn something new.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:57Bunnie XO?

  I want to find out something new about them. So you saying that is complete confirmation.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  No, absolutely. That, I mean, to me, you know, the best interviewers are those who are curious, those who are able to listen, and be able to bounce off what the interviewee is saying. Not necessarily, you know, be, let's go to the next question, let's go to the next question. You just go with the flow.

• 7:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you make it a conversation.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:24Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  And that's, and that's the best interview, and I've found that, whether it be in news, or whether it be in talk, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what the platform is, the object is the same.

• 7:38Bunnie XO?

  Is there an interview that you've done in your life that has like stuck with you? Like that you think about often?

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Well.

• 7:44Bunnie XO?

  Like any particular one?

• 7:46Speaker 01

  There are some interviews, well, I'll give you an example. Years and years, my father was the sports editor, sports writer for the Washington Post for 75 years.

• 7:57Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  So I kind of grew up in sports. I used to do a local talk show in Washington. And I was lucky enough to have Muhammad Ali on the show.

• 8:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh my goodness.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  And so, and he was great. And so because of Ali being on the show, and my father who covered Ali and a lot of his fights, I had the two of them on, on my show. And I'll never forget, it was one of the great faux pas that I've ever had in my life. So I'm there, and I'm looking at Ali as bright and smart as he is, I mean, he was the quickest. He was the, not only was he articulate, but he was quick and just so fast to be able to get his thought out. So I said to him, because he was fighting, still fighting at the time, I said, champ, I said, you know, I know stories about other fighters.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  And I was referencing an old fighter named Bo Jack, who was a middleweight champion. I said, Bo Jack, you're not gonna end up like Bo Jack, because, you know, he ended up shining shoes on the streets of Miami. And he looked at me and said, "You just stereotyped me. What are you kidding me?" And he went off on me, like, he says, "You're not as smart as your daddy. Your daddy would never say anything like that."

• 9:15Bunnie XO?

  Oh no.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  And I went, "Oh my gosh, you're right. I just stereotyped the champion of the world. I can't believe it." So there are things you want to take back, but at the same time, okay, live TV, it happened. And you know, I was able to say, I was sorry, but at the same time, I went, wow, Maury, you really made a big bad one there.

• 9:38Bunnie XO?

  But you learned a lesson.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 9:40Bunnie XO?

  So I mean, like, he taught you.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  I mean, I was like 31, 32 years old.

• 9:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. He taught you literally probably one of the greatest lessons, where you.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 9:49Bunnie XO?

  Think the question out before you speak.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  I don't think I've ever stereotyped anybody since.

• 9:54Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. That'll definitely set you straight. So let's go back to your dad, because you did just touch base on your dad, and you are one of three parents, or, I'm sorry, you are one of three children. And you guys all have like a, you guys grew up in a journalism family.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really crazy.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  My brother, my late brother, he died at eighty-seven, but he was my dear older brother. He was the lawyer for the law firm that represented the Washington Post.

• 10:26Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  You know, and all of its stuff with, you remember the, when the Pentagon Papers went to the Supreme Court and everything else, he represented the Post in many issues. So, my sister became the first women's senior, first senior, women's senior editor at Newsweek magazine. And her husband was the editor-in-chief of Businessweek magazine, and my father was the sports writer at the Post for seventy-five years, and I am who I am. So it was kind of a delicate house of cards media family. You never know what was going to happen. But you know, we just, we just ended up loving this business so much.

• 11:12Bunnie XO?

  What an awesome legacy.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, and it was great. And, you know, I, you know, it's very interesting. You, on the other hand, you've done it all by yourself.

• 11:22Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Right?

• 11:24Bunnie XO?

  Yes, sir.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  You ran away at the age of fourteen?

• 11:28Bunnie XO?

  Oh, you've done your research, Mr. Murray.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  No, I know about you, buddy.

• 11:32Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Can't handle your stepmother.

• 11:35Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Your mother dies when you're, what, an infant almost?

• 11:40Bunnie XO?

  She left the house, yes, she left me at three months, but yes, yes. But here's the thing. So let's talk about your dad again, just for a split second, because, you know, he was a legend at the Washington Post. So did that inspire you? Or did you always, did you feel like you always had to like, live in his shadow?

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Well, it's interesting about living in the shadow. I wanted to be a print journalist, like him.

• 12:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  But there were only two papers in town. The Post, where he worked, had a nepotism policy. You couldn't, if you were of the same family, you couldn't work at the paper.

• 12:18Bunnie XO?

  Why is that? I've never heard of that.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  Well, I think maybe because there's, the Graham family owned the paper, and they didn't want, you know, more, more of this relative stuff on, on the paper, I guess. And then the only other paper, the Washington Star at the time, they wouldn't hire me because my name was Povich, and my father was the big star of the competing paper. So I kind of gravitated to TV because I got, at the age of like, sixteen, I got this job as the assistant to the baseball broadcaster for the Washington Senators baseball team. And

• 12:56Speaker 01

  as soon as I started hanging around TV, I mean, I was addicted. I just knew. I mean, I didn't want to do anything else.

• 13:08Bunnie XO?

  But I think what was cool about you getting into TV is most people want to be the story, but you were interested in the stories.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanted to be, I wanted to find the stories.

• 13:19Bunnie XO?

  You wanted to tell other people's stories.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  I wanted to be there. I wanted to observe the stories. And I was very fortunate because growing up in Washington, the nation's capital, my first job, once I got out of school, was being a radio reporter. So if you're a radio reporter in Washington, you might cover a bank robbery one hour, and you might be in the United States Senate covering a story the next hour. You might be at the White House, or you might be at a fatal car accident. In other words, local and national, it was the same thing if you were, if you were working in Washington DC. So therefore, I was, I was exposed to so much at such an early age.

• 14:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  I mean, I, I mean, I can, one of the first big stories I ever did in nineteen sixty-three was go to Andrews, then Andrews Air Force Base, and watch Jacqueline Kennedy come off that plane in that bloodied pink suit.

• 14:22Bunnie XO?

  Oh, gosh, okay.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  With her husband's body in the, in the back of the plane.

• 14:27Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  I mean, I mean.

• 14:31Bunnie XO?

  How did that make you feel in that moment?

• 14:33Speaker 01

  I still, I can just, I mean, talking about it right now, I can, I can remember the night, I can remember the plane, Air Force One, I can remember everything about it. And that was thirty-seven, that was almost sixty years ago.

• 14:48Bunnie XO?

  Wow. That moment in time is just to have, you have been there is.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  And, and, you know, and then to be in Washington for the aftermath of the Martin Luther King assassination and the riots, to be there for the anti-Vietnam War demonstrations throughout the town for many, many years, to be there for Watergate, the biggest political event that we've, that I've ever covered. And, you know, it, you grew up real fast.

• 15:23Bunnie XO?

  Wow. Do you ever take a moment to reflect on all of these experiences that you've had and just kind of tell yourself, like, pat yourself on the back, like, I lived that, I, I was there for all of that?

• 15:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean, it's, it's interesting. So for the last thirty years, I've been doing a talk show, okay? And people ask me all the time, oh, do you regret not covering? I only regret not being at really big events, really big stories.

• 15:54Bunnie XO?

  What is considered a really big story for you, though? Because you've been at a ton of big stories.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  I know, for instance, well, I would have, I, I think I would have liked to have been around the presidential.

• 16:11Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Election stories. I certainly would like to have been around January sixth. I would have loved to have been there to see that for myself, instead of witnessing it on television.

• 16:24Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  I, I, I would like to have done that. But for the most part, I can tell you this, Bunny, I wouldn't want to be in that end of the business today.

• 16:36Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  I wouldn't want to be in the news business.

• 16:38Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Too tough.

• 16:39Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  You can't, you can't practice it the way I used to practice it, the way my wife, Connie Chung, practiced it. You just, you can't do it anymore. And quite frankly, those days have passed us by.

• 16:55Bunnie XO?

  Do you think that we'll ever have a chance of bringing it back?

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Boy, I hope so. I, I have a feeling, there's a, I do have a feeling as to where we have a chance. And that is, the viewers haven't given up on local news. So local television stations, local newspapers, wherever you get your local news, most people think it's honest, it's fair, it's true, it's, it's what happened. And so therefore, if we can start to expand that feeling out again to a national effort, because it exists locally. I mean, you turn on your local news, you believe what you're hearing.

• 17:41Bunnie XO?

  Right. I also believe that the difference between the way that the news was back then and how it is now is we didn't have the internet.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Of course not.

• 17:50Bunnie XO?

  I feel like the internet has ruined so much. It's blessed us with so much, but then again, it's also ruined so much.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  You and I wouldn't be around without the internet.

• 17:59Bunnie XO?

  Right, exactly. I definitely wouldn't. You would. You were around long before then.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  I mean, I see your numbers on Instagram and YouTube and TikTok, and, and The Murray Show still has huge numbers on those platforms. But at the same time, a lot of bad things happen on the internet.

• 18:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  And, and, you know, I walk through the park, I walk through Central Park all the time. And I walk in my dog, I'm walking my dog, and everybody in the park is on their phone. And I'm telling you, if I don't bump into them, they're going to bump into me.

• 18:36Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  They don't even look, they don't even look around. They don't even smell the roses.

• 18:41Bunnie XO?

  A lot of people don't look up from their phones anymore, and I, and, you know. I just feel like the world, if we just came together and were able to sort of try to heal together instead of being at each other's throats like everybody is, I think it would just make life so much better. And I just feel like the internet creates that divide, though, because everybody can have a freaking opinion.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:04Bunnie XO?

  You know, Maury, is this your interview or my interview?

• 19:07Speaker 01

  No, I'm more interested in you than me. You see?

• 19:10Bunnie XO?

  Well, then I need to come on your podcast.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Please.

• 19:13Bunnie XO?

  I would love to. Let's talk about your...

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Can you do that?

• 19:16Bunnie XO?

  Yes, can we talk about your podcast?

• 19:17Speaker 01

  So this podcast, it came about because, you know, some people came to me, Holly Mirabella, my producer, had come to me and some others and said, you know, if you're interviewing, people know of you interviewing these people, you can spread your seed. I mean, come on.

• 19:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  I mean, you had all these years interviewing people in the news and people who made news. I mean, so it's kind of an eclectic podcast where, I mean, I interview rappers.

• 19:54Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  I interview writers.

• 19:55Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  I mean, I interviewed a great rapper named Dave East recently, okay?

• 20:03Bunnie XO?

  Haley loves him.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  You're kidding, really?

• 20:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  So I interviewed Dave East and all of a sudden, you know, the comments on Instagram when we put out the clips, "Hey, Maury's still alive? I thought he died. I thought he died with Jerry Springer." I mean, all this kind of stuff is going on.

• 20:22Bunnie XO?

  That is terrible.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  I mean, you know, and then, and then all these great compliments about, you know, "Maury, Maury is one of us." And, you know, secretly, "Maury is really one of us."

• 20:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's all the, I don't want to stereotype anybody, but you know, the DNA tests and the "you are not the father," they can relate. You know what I'm saying? The younger generation, they're just always...

• 20:47Speaker 01

  But you know, I mean, when I first started doing talk, and this is like 1991 when I first started, we went to Nashville for a week.

• 20:56Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  And let me tell you, we, we had this, we used to have these young, young artists on. Guess who was the young artist we had on? Alan Jackson.

• 21:06Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  And he was just like, this is 35 years ago.

• 21:11Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  We had a group called Diamond Rio, which was a big deal then.

• 21:15Bunnie XO?

  Yes, I love Diamond Rio.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  So all of the, and so I got very attached to country early on. And yet, at the same time, I'm trying to get Jay-Z on the talk show, not trying to do all this other stuff.

• 21:28Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:29Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. I love that you have always just, you've never been judgmental and you have always accepted all walks of life.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 21:37Bunnie XO?

  I took a page from your book with my podcast where I do exactly that, too. I have rappers on, I have writers, journalists on, I have, you know, just an eclectic group of humans because I really feel like in order to be good at being a talk show host, you have to have an open mind. And do you think that that's what's gotten you so far in this industry?

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't understand judgmental people. I really don't. I don't get it. Why do you judge people like that? I mean, I mean, I want to think that there's good, there's some good in everybody and things like that. But, but, you know, I, there's, there's so much negativity and I just, I just can't go there. I'll tell you a story.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  In my career, there were some station managers and executives that did me wrong, I thought did me wrong. And I had a list of about five of them. And I said, boy, if the time ever comes, I'm going to get revenge.

• 22:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  One by one, over the years, they all got fired. And instead of applauding, I felt sorry for them.

• 22:53Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  And, I mean, you know, that's just me, I guess.

• 22:57Bunnie XO?

  You have a sweet soul.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  You think so?

• 22:59Bunnie XO?

  I do. I can tell.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  I'm going to tell my wife that.

• 23:03Bunnie XO?

  Please, I love Connie. Let's talk about Connie, can't we, please?

• 23:07Speaker 01

  Connie's the best. We tried to get pregnant.

• 23:08Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  And this is, I'm telling you, this is over 30 years ago. And so Connie had to take time off from CBS and it became a big story that we were trying to get pregnant. And late show guys, you know, Jay Leno and everybody was kind of making fun of, "I wonder if Maury and Connie are doing it tonight." You know, doing all this kind of stuff. To the point where Fox had this great show called In Living Color, years and...

• 23:40Bunnie XO?

  Amazing show.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Okay? They did a skit on Connie and I in bed trying to get pregnant and Jim Carrey played me.

• 23:49Bunnie XO?

  Oh my gosh, I have to see that.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  I mean, it was the only part. So we had, you know, and there was all kinds of press and all kinds of stuff. And so we finally adopted because we couldn't, we couldn't do it.

• 24:05Bunnie XO?

  But still, adopting is just...

• 24:07Speaker 01

  It's the best.

• 24:07Bunnie XO?

  It's amazing.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Wouldn't take it back now.

• 24:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Wouldn't, wouldn't take it back.

• 24:12Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  And, so anyhow, I know what you have gone through.

• 24:18Bunnie XO?

  Thank you. I appreciate that.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  And it's tough.

• 24:21Bunnie XO?

  It is tough. But at the same time, it's like you just put it in God's hands. And if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And if not, we can always adopt. So I'm totally open to adoption too.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  I'm a big fan of adoption.

• 24:32Bunnie XO?

  Are you?

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:33Bunnie XO?

  Can you take me on that adoption journey a little bit?

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 24:36Bunnie XO?

  That you guys had?

• 24:37Speaker 01

  It's, you know, it's, it's interesting. We, we have this son, he's now 30 years old. Connie is Chinese. First of all, Connie says, when we were starting to adopt, Connie says to the lawyer that we were hired, "So we want, we want a child who is half Chinese and half Jewish." And the lawyer says, "You won't live long enough."

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Nobody comes up like that.

• 25:10Bunnie XO?

  Right, right.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  It's not going to happen. So we have this guy and he's, he's just spectacular. And, and he's now 30. He is engaged. He and his girlfriend have been together for like nine or 10 years. And...

• 25:37Bunnie XO?

  Did you guys go public back then with adopting? Did you let everybody know you were adopting? Or did you keep it private?

• 25:45Speaker 01

  You know what happens? The tabloids find out. The National Enquirer found out.

• 25:51Bunnie XO?

  That's such an invasion of privacy.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Unbelievable. I couldn't believe it. Everything was closed. It was a closed adoption and everything else. Nobody knew anything. And all of a sudden, the National Enquirer finds out everything. And the only way we could keep it quiet was I had to, we had to give the Enquirer an interview after the fact.

• 26:18Bunnie XO?

  They did that to Roseanne, too.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  They did?

• 26:20Bunnie XO?

  Yes. I feel like they bullied people into like, "We have this information about you. If you don't give us an interview, we're going to out you."

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:28Bunnie XO?

  That's so wrong. That's terrible journalism.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, that was way back. This is, you know, 30 years ago.

• 26:33Bunnie XO?

  They could never do that now.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  No.

• 26:35Bunnie XO?

  No, it would never fly.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  No. But, I mean, it's a blessing.

• 26:40Bunnie XO?

  It is a blessing.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Adoption is a blessing.

• 26:41Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely, it's a blessing. And you have two kids of your own, too.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  And I have two daughters. They're much older. I have four grandchildren of them and, you know, they're, they're doing great. My daughters, Susan and Amy, and they're terrific. And, and so we're...

• 26:58Bunnie XO?

  A blended family.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. We're a blended family. I think, I think that says it all.

• 27:07Bunnie XO?

  I love that, though. That is so awesome. So take me back to the first time that you met Mrs. Connie.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  My wife Connie?

• 27:16Bunnie XO?

  Yes, Mrs. Connie.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Well, here's the thing. She...

• 27:21Speaker 01

  How can I explain this? I'm working, I'm working in Washington. It's my first TV job and I'm getting to be pretty big. I'm doing sports, I'm doing news and I'm doing a local talk show and I'm okay. And so the news director hires this person as his assistant. Fine. Her name is Connie Chung. We don't spend much time about it. You know, hot copy girl around the office. And then what, what happens is when we really knew Connie was gonna be important was the first job that comes up is a writer's job on the desk to write the newscasts. She wants the job.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  The news director says, no, you're my secretary. And I, no, I want the job. And then the second, the news director says, you have to, if you want the job, you have to replace yourself. Connie walks out of the newsroom across the street into the bank, looks at the first woman teller, says, you wanna be in TV? Come with me. Walks her down, gets to the news director, gets this teller the job that she had and she becomes the first time, first job she had in the business.

• 28:35Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  And within a year or two, she's off to work at CBS News.

• 28:42Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about when you, was that what attracted you to her?

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I mean, no, I mean, I was married at the time. I mean, you know, she went on to a big career at CBS News in Washington and then she went to Los Angeles to become a big star anchor for CBS out there. And then I, in my, as I said, odyssey years, traveling around the country, I end up as her second banana in Los Angeles.

• 29:10Bunnie XO?

  It was destiny.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  And, and I, and then at, at one point, six months after I get there, I had a general manager who hired me, then he was fired, then the new general manager fired me, you know, last hired, first fired. And so I'm fired. The only person I know is Connie. And so a bit later on, I mean, the first, in order, I always say this, in order for her to love me, she had to pity me first.

• 29:42Bunnie XO?

  Oh, stop it.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  So we started to date. We never, we dated for seven and a half years.

• 29:48Bunnie XO?

  That is a long time.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Before we got married and never lived together.

• 29:52Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  And, and did not date exclusively.

• 29:57Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  You know about that, right?

• 29:59Bunnie XO?

  Of course, yes.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  And so years later, we're, we're dating off and on and I asked her to marry me. She doesn't want to. She asked me to marry, I don't want to. And then she calls me up one day in 1984 and says, we can get married now. And I said, how come? She says, because I found a dress.

• 30:21Bunnie XO?

  Ah, I think you guys are soulmates. That is amazing.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  That was 40, almost 41 years ago.

• 30:27Bunnie XO?

  One thing I love about your podcast with her too, is that you are always, okay, so Connie is like, from what I perceive, she's so like, she's kind of bottled up. She's not gonna just, she's very poised. And you, on the other hand, say the craziest stuff and like, get her to react while she's on the podcast and it is the funniest thing to watch. But you guys ended up having a viral moment. Can we talk about, well, you've had a couple.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we did this thing on the podcast where she was gonna, I was gonna ask her a question she doesn't know she was gonna ask me. So she picks up this thing in the, in the pot, these various questions and what is, I mean, it's like a, you know, it's, it's like a Chinese cookie or something. Pulls it out and it says, Mari, when are you the most sexiest? And the only thing I said is, on Sundays. And she says, what do you mean? I said, what do you mean? You know what I mean. I mean, it's Sundays with Connie. And she goes, she goes like this.

• 31:35Bunnie XO?

  I saw it.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  And so it went viral, you know?

• 31:39Bunnie XO?

  There was also another clip that went viral where you guys were talking about cheating.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:44Bunnie XO?

  And I mean, I understood where you were coming from because I, I could read between the lines, but I think the internet kind of ran with it and they were, they just turned it into something it wasn't. Can we elaborate on that conversation?

• 31:57Speaker 01

  It was just, you know, I always, used to say, when we were seeing each other, not, not exclusively, I said, you were dating these Hollywood stars.

• 32:04Bunnie XO?

  Does she talk about this in her book?

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:07Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  She does. She does. And so you, you're dating these stars and, and then she says, yeah, and you're dating people you can't even remember the first names. And so, I mean, I said, oh, we're not going there Connie, or we're just not going there. I mean, she comes up with some outlandish stuff. I mean, it's kinda, I mean, I.

• 32:30Bunnie XO?

  What do you, what do you think Connie has taught you? Being married to Connie for as long as you have, you said 41 years. What is the biggest lesson that you think Connie has taught you in marriage? Because obviously something's working, 41 years?

• 32:42Speaker 01

  I know exactly what it is. I, I mean, I know exactly how to play it. For the last 41 years, in our life, I am Mr. Chung.

• 32:52Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  I am not Mari Povich, I am Mr. Chung. The first time that we, we, when we got married, I was living in Washington, she was living in New York, she was working at NBC. And so she was living in this apartment and I would come up on the weekends. It's kind of like you two, you know? You don't see each other for a while.

• 33:10Bunnie XO?

  And he's in the same city as me right now.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  And you're still not seeing each other.

• 33:14Bunnie XO?

  Well, we, we try to, but it's just, you know, when you're working, you know how it is.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  So I, I come, and I'm working in Washington and I come up and, and there's the doorman at her building and I said, my name's Mari Povich, I'm Connie Chung's husband. Oh, you are? And he calls up and said, Ms. Chung, Mr. Chung is downstairs. So that's the way it's been for 41 years and that's the way I want it to continue.

• 33:42Bunnie XO?

  But to be so secure, most men would hate that. You know what I'm saying? And you are just like so in awe of your wife.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  My wife made a lot more money when we got married than I did.

• 33:53Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  And, and, and I was the full support of my girls and she helped me in that, in that area when they were going to college. I mean, you know, there are times, everybody thinks because you've been successful so long, it was always that way. It wasn't. I mean, I was fired, I was this, I mean, I bummed around, I, I mean, I, I had a lot of, I had a lot of failures along with the success.

• 34:24Bunnie XO?

  But I think that's what made you the man that you are today and shout out to Connie Chung for being a real one. Let's just, we'll give her her props on that story that you just told us. So let's, let's bounce off the fact that you were just talking about how you were, you know, broke in certain aspects and that you weren't as big as you had wanted to be. What is the most humbling moment for you in life before you hit it big?

• 34:48Speaker 01

  I'll tell, I'll tell you what it was. You were mentioning my father. My father was probably the most read writer in all of Washington DC, whether it be a political writer or sports writer. Everybody read my father. He, he was a big name. And so after, in Los Angeles, when I got fired from this station, I was also getting a divorce and I had to call my parents and tell them because I knew when I, I was getting fired, so it was gonna end up in the paper. And so they were gonna see it.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  So I called up, calling my father and I said, Dad, I got some bad news and some bad news. And I told him I was getting fired and that I was getting divorced and I was scared to death what his reaction would be. And there was this long pause and he said, get all the sharp instruments out of the house and come home and give your mother a hug.

• 35:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  I never expected that out of him. I mean, this was a, you know, a dominating, dominant guy. I mean, our, our family was always from the top down. I mean, it was like, you know, you did what your parents said or else. I mean, and I couldn't believe that he had that kind of sensitivity in that moment.

• 36:17Bunnie XO?

  And that was exactly what, what you needed. That like made me tear up a little bit. That's a really a beautiful story. Can we talk about your mom for a second? Cause I feel like we're always talking about dad and his accolades.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  You know, and my mother had a great line about that. Because with my brother and my sister and me, and we were always attached to my father and every time it was, we were mentioned, it was always about my father. And my mother used to say, you poor motherless children.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  That's how she looked on it because she was a housewife and she was a mom and a wife and that she raised us because back then my father, because he was a sports writer, he would travel, you know, maybe a third to a half the year following the baseball team or following this event or that sporting event. And so therefore he wasn't around that much. And so my mother, my mother had to be the mother and the father.

• 37:13Bunnie XO?

  She kept it grounded.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:15Bunnie XO?

  What's something about your mom that the world doesn't know that sticks with you every day?

• 37:20Speaker 01

  I'll tell you, I still remember, I still remember something when I was, I was kind of a mischievous kid. Among the three, I was kind of the middle child, mischievous. And I'll never forget, I did something wrong at around 10 or 11 years old. And she was so mad at me, she came up with a broomstick to my room.

• 37:42Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  And she said, I'm going to hit the hell out of you. And she did.

• 37:48Bunnie XO?

  Maury, what did you do?

• 37:49Speaker 01

  I can't remember what I, I can't remember. It could have been anything. I don't know. I mean, you know, I was, I was kind of a pissy kid, you know, but I'll never forget my mother, my mother, not my father, my mother. I mean, I had my mother, my father used to wash my mouth out with soap because the first time I, I used the F word at that dinner table.

• 38:11Bunnie XO?

  Not the dinner table, Maury.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Well, I told you I was a mischievous kid.

• 38:15Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I think, I think your mischievousness is what has, and your wit also in your interviews, like you can, that mischievousness still carries with you now.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  I think, I think it, yeah, I think it's part of me.

• 38:30Bunnie XO?

  It's your charm. It's part of your charm.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm, I'm a little bit that way.

• 38:36Bunnie XO?

  I love that. So here, let's talk about how I discovered you. I didn't discover you from the Maury Povich Show.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Really?

• 38:42Bunnie XO?

  I discovered you on A Current Affair.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  You did?

• 38:45Bunnie XO?

  I was obsessed. I watched it.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 38:48Bunnie XO?

  All the time. A Current Affair was my jam.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  It was the reason why I, I became a success.

• 38:54Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  If it wasn't for that show, Murdoch brings me, I'm, I'm anchoring the local news in Washington in 1986. And I get a call to go see Mr. Murdoch in New York. I don't know the guy. He owns the station. He comes up, he introduces me to these Australians, all of these wild, crazy Australian producers that he had brought over from Australia. And he says, I have a, I have this idea for a show. I said, yeah. I says, we're going to call it A Current Affair. And I said, so what is it? He says, well, you'll figure it out with these guys. And I said, what do you mean? He said, and not only that, knowing that you're commuting with your wife, you now you're going to be living with her, you'll

• 39:37Speaker 01

  find out whether you can stay together or not. And so that's how it all happened. We had these crazy, wild stories that we were doing that were so different than everybody else was doing. I mean, we, the stories we would do, the network news divisions would have those stories in the trash can. They wouldn't even touch them. But as soon as we got successful, all of a sudden, all the network news shows were doing the same stories we were doing. Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, all the scandals that were going on. This, I mean, it all led to, of course, OJ and the Bronco and everything else. I mean, it was Joey Buttafuoco. It was.

• 40:17Bunnie XO?

  What a time to be alive. We have so many good.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  You like all that stuff.

• 40:20Bunnie XO?

  I love it all because I grew up in the, in that era. So that's my childhood, you know? But I mean, I believe that A Current Affair walked so TMZ could run. TMZ is literally what A Current Affair used to be.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Oh, no. And by the way, he worked on those shows.

• 40:36Bunnie XO?

  Did he?

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Of course he did. He worked on Inside Edition, maybe A Current Affair after I left.

• 40:43Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  That's where he came from.

• 40:44Bunnie XO?

  Wow. Okay.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  It, it's all an extension.

• 40:47Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  TMZ would not exist without A Current Affair.

• 40:51Bunnie XO?

  Without you, without Maury, the godfather.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  I still see these clips, you know, Charlie Sheen has a documentary out.

• 40:59Bunnie XO?

  I'm excited. I haven't watched it yet. Have you?

• 41:02Speaker 01

  I watched the first part. Guess what? There I am anchoring A Current Affair on the Charlie Sheen documentary.

• 41:09Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  About him and Kelly Preston.

• 41:11Bunnie XO?

  Have you, have you ran into Charlie?

• 41:13Speaker 01

  No, I don't know Charlie.

• 41:14Bunnie XO?

  You don't know him?

• 41:14Speaker 01

  Do you know him?

• 41:15Bunnie XO?

  No, no.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Well, why not?

• 41:18Bunnie XO?

  Why, why would I?

• 41:19Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 41:21Bunnie XO?

  You would have more of a reason to run into him.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Look, I, I, I know.

• 41:25Bunnie XO?

  I might be as tight, but I don't think I've seen him.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  I know your background.

• 41:28Bunnie XO?

  Oh, shh, don't tell anybody. Nobody knows. No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. They all know.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  And I know Charlie's rep.

• 41:35Bunnie XO?

  Are you stereotyping me?

• 41:37Speaker 01

  No, I'm not saying anything, buddy.

• 41:38Bunnie XO?

  Are you stereotyping me, Maury?

• 41:40Speaker 01

  No, I would never say anything like that.

• 41:42Bunnie XO?

  Totally playing with you. That's amazing. All right. So let's switch gears because you have, you've retired now in 2022. What does a day for Maury look like in retirement?

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Uh, okay. I, I don't know if I've read this about you. I'm an, I'm a morning person. I get up very early.

• 42:01Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm. What is very early for you?

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Six.

• 42:03Bunnie XO?

  Wow, that is early.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  I get up around six. I, I walk, I take the dog out to Central Park or in Montana. I take the dog out. On Montana, you don't take the dog out. You let the dog out. And then I make my own, I've made my own breakfast for 60 years.

• 42:22Bunnie XO?

  What do you eat for breakfast?

• 42:23Speaker 01

  Eggs every morning.

• 42:24Bunnie XO?

  Like, well, how do you like them? Cause I'm an egg connoisseur.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  I like them scrambled. I like them over. I don't like them up. I like them poached when I can find the right poacher.

• 42:35Bunnie XO?

  So you don't like runny eggs?

• 42:36Speaker 01

  Can you teach me how to poach them perfectly?

• 42:38Bunnie XO?

  I, I just get them poached for me. I can't do it. I, poaching is an art.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  It is.

• 42:42Bunnie XO?

  It really is an art. You cannot.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Connie can do it. I can't.

• 42:45Bunnie XO?

  Connie can do everything. I love her.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  I know.

• 42:48Bunnie XO?

  I love how much you love her, though.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, she, she doesn't poach eggs for me because she's not a morning person. And she gets up, you know, at a crack of 10, you know, something like that. And so.

• 42:58Bunnie XO?

  Girl after my own heart.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  So then I take the dog out, then I come back and then I start reading, you know, whether it be on the phone and we still, old, old farts that we are, we still have newspapers coming in the print version.

• 43:12Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's a dying art, too.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, you don't, you don't read the paper anymore. You read on your phone.

• 43:19Bunnie XO?

  Everybody does.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  And so, and then I play a lot of golf.

• 43:24Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Long leash is important.

• 43:26Bunnie XO?

  Yes, absolutely.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  If you trust them, long leash is very important.

• 43:33Bunnie XO?

  And I think that's how you build trust, is having a long leash. If you have a short leash, you're controlling everything that person's doing.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:39Bunnie XO?

  They're, they're gonna, human nature is to rebel. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I think the longer the leash, the longer the relationship.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  The only time I really get upset at her is when I go into the bathroom and things aren't where they were yesterday.

• 43:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no. Are you, are you a perfectionist?

• 43:58Speaker 01

  She, no, she is the perfectionist. Me, I just want this, I just want to know where the things are that were there yesterday in that spot and not somewhere else in another cabinet and all that. And she's moving things around.

• 44:12Bunnie XO?

  But do you put the toilet seat down?

• 44:14Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 44:14Bunnie XO?

  Okay, good. Yay. Then you're a good one.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  I know all about that.

• 44:18Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  That was an early on lesson.

• 44:21Bunnie XO?

  How did you guys end up in Montana?

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Well, it's, I said to Connie one time, this is almost 30 years ago, I said, we ought to go to Montana. And she said, what do you mean? I said, it's the only contiguous state that I'd never been to. I'd been to Hawaii, I've never been to Alaska. But I hadn't, I've been to 49, 47 states. I hadn't been to Montana. I said, let's, let's go, let's go buy a home in Montana. She said, don't you think we ought to go there first? I said, well, okay. So in 1998, we went to Montana, we found a house to rent. We loved it so much. We looked around and my friend said, the best house is this house. And I went to the

• 45:09Speaker 01

  guy, I said, I want to buy your house. He said, I didn't want to rent you my house. I didn't want to rent you my house. And now you want to buy my house? I said, not only do I want to buy it, I want you to leave all the furniture. I want you to leave, leave the cars, leave the furniture, leave the boat, leave everything. And he did.

• 45:26Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's amazing.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Twenty-eight years.

• 45:30Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  And we found, we created after, 17 years ago, sometimes you're really nuts. And Connie and I created a weekly newspaper in Montana.

• 45:44Bunnie XO?

  I read about that.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Called The Flathead Beacon. And it's won every award in the state. And it's a great local newspaper. You started out as print, now it's online. Everybody loves it. Doesn't matter what the political stripe is in the, in the whole Flathead Valley in Montana. Everybody loves the paper. And even the politicians, doesn't matter whether you're Republican or Democrat, everybody loves the paper.

• 46:09Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Of course, it's not making any money.

• 46:12Bunnie XO?

  But it's a passion project.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:14Bunnie XO?

  So I think it makes you guys feel good.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Legacy to my father. And that's what Connie says, so.

• 46:19Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. And those things are priceless. You can't put monetary value on something like that, especially, you know, from your background and where you come from.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  So do you like Nashville?

• 46:30Bunnie XO?

  I love Nashville now. I didn't like it at first. It, you know, being a Vegas girl, moving to Nashville, it was like, this was a culture shock.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  You're up all night, an all night town to.

• 46:41Bunnie XO?

  Pretty much. Access to anything 24/7 to, you know, people being a lot more modest.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  So how did you grow to like it?

• 46:48Bunnie XO?

  I fell in love with the slow life, you know? It's kind of like how, how do you go from Washington DC to Montana?

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Right, exactly.

• 46:56Bunnie XO?

  It's like you have to fall in love with, you have to really get to know yourself in slow places. And I think I had to discover who I was outside of my Vegas persona. But that's why I was so amazed when you told me that you and Connie dated for seven years because I was like, whoa, that is amazing. Like, how did you do that? You know?

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Well, I had come out of a marriage and didn't want to get married. And Connie was so involved in her business. I mean, she always says, I forgot to get married and then I forgot to have a child.

• 47:28Bunnie XO?

  She's great. I, I would love to meet her one day. All right. So I'm going to ask you a closing question.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Yes, my dear.

• 47:35Bunnie XO?

  And thank you so much for your time today. Like, it's been.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  No, I loved it.

• 47:38Bunnie XO?

  It's been amazing just getting.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  You're very easy to talk to.

• 47:41Bunnie XO?

  Thank you. I appreciate that. You've interviewed politicians, celebrities, everyday people.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:48Bunnie XO?

  Who taught you the most?

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Who taught me the most?

• 47:50Bunnie XO?

  Who taught you the most out of everybody that you've interviewed?

• 47:54Speaker 01

  That's really, guess what? That's a good question.

• 47:57Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yes.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Never had it.

• 48:01Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Never had it. I've, I've had, you know, who would you like to interview, stuff like that. Believe it or not, I think all the people on the talk show.

• 48:11Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Uh, it, it, you know, after doing news for all those years and then getting into this very intimate talk show, I think those guests brought more out of me than I thought I had. And so therefore I think that whole experience, that 30-year experience, because of the guests, because of the individual stories, because of the fact with DNA testing that it's possible that I could have gotten another parent into the lives of those kids. Because we all know that a child has a better shot with two parents than one. And, and

• 48:56Speaker 01

  those stories, I think, gave me a great feeling of satisfaction.

• 49:03Bunnie XO?

  You're such a special human. I hope you know that.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  I don't know about that.

• 49:07Bunnie XO?

  No, I hope you know that. And I appreciate you being here and making time to come on my podcast.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Well, it's beautiful. And now you come on, on par with Maury Povich.

• 49:16Bunnie XO?

  We're coming. Anytime you want. Maybe when we're in Montana, we can do it. That would be great.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Thank you, dear.

• 49:21Bunnie XO?

  Tell people where they can find your podcast and listen to it.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Onparpod, on all of Instagram, whatever, whatever. The, the podcast is on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts.

• 49:36Bunnie XO?

  All of it.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:38Bunnie XO?

  Maury, thank you so much. I can't wait to hug you.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 49:40Bunnie XO?

  All right. Thank you guys for listening to another podcast. I'll talk to you guys next week. Bye.