Throwback: Erica Mena - I'm Not The Villain

Throwback Episode (Originally aired Dec 23, 2024): Erica Mena opens up about her rise to fame, the villain edit, and the truth behind reality TV. The stunning Erica Mena takes us through her incredible journey, from breaking out as an independent video vixen in some of the most iconic music videos to becoming a standout star on Love & Hip Hop. She gets candid about her relationships—opening up about her marriage to Safaree Samuels, her late partner Raul Conde of Terror Squad, and the lessons she’s carried forward. Erica also reflects on her difficult childhood, how reality TV amplified her “villain” persona, and what lies ahead for this multifaceted powerhouse as she steps boldly into 2025 and beyond. Erica Mena: IG https://www.instagram.com/ericamena/?hl=en Watch Full Episodes & More: YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Dumbblondepod

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

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• 2:19Bunnie XO?

  Is this thing on? What's up you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today, my girl Erica Mina is in the house, baby. Looking fly as ever, too.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Thank you, babe. I was like, I'm seeing the baddest. I gotta come correct. And I don't do interviews.

• 2:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  I hate them because they end up being just clickbait. People kind of, you know.

• 2:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  I don't know. Well, I've noticed. They had never been like my friend, I feel like.

• 2:46Bunnie XO?

  I've noticed you do a lot of interviews with men. They're never gonna give you a chance.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  You know what it is? When I first started in the very beginning, I had to put myself out there. I was just doing like bad TV, like these weird little outlets in the beginning. That social media wasn't that big, but I wanted people to kind of like dive into me. And it never turned out that way. So over the years, I was just like, I'm just not gonna do. And plus I'm on reality TV. So it's like, what can I really say in an interview that you guys kind of don't see edited anyway on TV? So.

• 3:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  But um, yeah, I don't do interviews, but um, this one, I felt like I had to. First of all, such a big, like your whole journey. Like, I know what's up with you.

• 3:29Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate it.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  I felt like we have a lot in common, too. Like.

• 3:32Bunnie XO?

  You're my buddy.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:34Bunnie XO?

  We talk.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Like, we could go into it, but yeah, like you definitely, like we have, you know, that loss of a companion, you know, kind of story that we can compare and just, I just love how you're just such a ride or die. You, you kind of own up to who you were, what you were and kind of like, this is who I am now. And you just kind of taking people on your journey and now they have no choice but to fucking respect you for it. And I feel like it's so similar to like me. I kind of was that.

• 4:02Bunnie XO?

  You deserve your flowers and that's what I was telling you when you first, and thank you for that. I appreciate, thank you for seeing me for who I am now and what I, what I've been through and where I'm at. I really appreciate that and that means the world to me. Uh, but you also deserve your flowers because girl, to be as relevant as you are in this world for as long as you have been, and you've literally clawed your. Way up and we're gonna get into your story because I'm sure a lot of people who listen to my podcast might not know your backstory and

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Which is really why I wanted to do this more than ever.

• 4:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  New audience, new fresh minds, like people get to tap in and then they can kind of do their homework on everything. Comes with me after.

• 4:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  But yeah, I've kind of been through a lot.

• 4:45Bunnie XO?

  Girl.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Just out there for a long time.

• 4:47Bunnie XO?

  You have literally, you've been a video vixen, you've been a reality TV star, now you're dabbling in music and becoming an actress.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:55Bunnie XO?

  It's like, it's just so inspiring to see somebody who's came from where you've come from also.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:02Bunnie XO?

  And pretty much we're like, you know what, I'm a force to be reckoned with, deal with it. And I love that about you. That's always been your attitude. You don't hide who you are. I love that you wear your heart on your sleeve.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 5:13Bunnie XO?

  I just feel like you're just human and if the world doesn't love you, they secretly fucking want to be you. Because literally you.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  I never thought about it like that. I think this is, you know, I just was a wild puppy for so long when I started. I had no direction. I just knew I'm gonna be this. No one may, like, not knowing how to do it or who I needed to do or how I needed to be to do it. I was just like, this is what it is and I'm gonna go for it.

• 5:43Bunnie XO?

  You grew up in front of the world. That's not easy.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Literally.

• 5:47Bunnie XO?

  That's not easy. To grow up, it's like Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Britney Spears. They all had cameras in their faces in the most pivotal years of their lives. And so did you.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:57Bunnie XO?

  You know, like you literally were a baby coming up and every part of your life was documented. Nobody's gonna know how to act in front of, one, you said it, you hit the nail on the head, nobody guides you. Nobody tells you, hey, maybe you shouldn't act like this or hey.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. I had no management, no nothing. It was just kind of like, this is, and even with family members, like no one knew what the hell I was doing. They just kind of.

• 6:21Bunnie XO?

  Well, and reality.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Let me be.

• 6:23Bunnie XO?

  Well, and reality TV encourages bad behavior because that gets fused.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Oh my God. And when I got into reality TV, I swore it was like wrestling. I did. I really, really did. I was like, okay, you just go in because I was casted to be the villain. You know, that was, that was the conversation we had at the, you know, when I sat down to even start my reality journey. And I was just like, okay, cool. Let's do it. So in my mind, I'm like, this is like wrestling. You go in, you, you know, you be the supervillain and you go home and you get to be yourself again. And it wasn't until, you know, I got my fair share of being aired that in the backlash that I got, I was like, oh, maybe it's not like wrestling necessarily. And at that point it was like, okay, this is, people are going to believe what they want to believe.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  So let me just do my job. And then as, you know, time went on, I realized, okay, they're, they're setting me up to kind of do certain things for what they need to bring in ratings. How do I get control over this for myself? So that I can kind of get control.

• 7:29Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. And I was also going to say, um, to one of your points is people think reality TV is real.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  It is to a certain extent, but at the same time it's not because no one's going to really sit down with what a bitch that they don't like. And discuss why they don't like them.

• 7:43Bunnie XO?

  Right. And you guys get put in these scenarios. I'm sure there's alcohol on set. I'm sure there's people behind the scenes, talking shit, putting shit in people's ears.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  The early years of Love and Hip Hop was literally, we pull up the set and the liquor was coming to the van.

• 7:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. See what I mean?

• 7:59Speaker 02

  What do you want to drink? Open up the, you know, the cooler and you had your poison of choice right then and there. So yeah, that's a good point.

• 8:08Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  They definitely set you up. They, they gear you up. They juice you up, give you up. And then production, this, you know, the truth of how my production worked, you sit in the van, you talk to your producer and they kind of lay out what's going to happen, what you're going to, you know, this and da, da, da, da. And then go.

• 8:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. And so, I mean, in, in a sense, they're seeing snapshots, like little Polaroid pictures of your life, but just blown up to where like you've had to hold something in for such a long time and not been able to confront a situation. So reality TV is real in a sense, but it's also severely exaggerated too.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  So in the beginning stages, that's kind of what it was. And then when I started to, when it started to get real and personal was when I got married and all that stuff, like all of that. And like, and it's funny because my life would be cool, calm. And then as soon as it's time to start filming. I don't know what it is.

• 8:59Bunnie XO?

  It's the luck of it.

• 9:01Speaker 02

  Where life just becomes crazy and out of control and the cameras are rolling and you just, you just gotta go roll with it.

• 9:11Bunnie XO?

  Let's cut it right there because we're gonna take it all the way back to when, how this even started, how you even got into reality TV. And of course, we will get to your marriage because we know that that's why everybody's listening to this interview too, unfortunately. But I really wanna paint a picture for my crowd. Of who you are, where you came from, and all the shit that you've been through before you even got to this reality TV fame. So you were born in the Bronx.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm a Bronx girl.

• 9:39Bunnie XO?

  And, but you have a crazy story because I, every time I watch a new interview with you, I learn something new about you. You almost don't tell everything all at once. You kinda like give bits and pieces. And you remind me so much of myself, because you'll be like, yeah, so I sawed my arm off, but you know, this happened and it was great. You know, and it's like, you're like, wait a second, she just said something super fucking traumatic and then just brushes over it like it's nothing.

• 10:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz I'm so used to people not really getting me a fuck anyway.

• 10:07Bunnie XO?

  I know, but that's not okay. And it's not, you know, you are a rarity because we need more emotion in this world. We need more like women who are like, hey man, this fucking hurts. There's a clip that we're gonna play later of you talking to your ex-husband and it broke me because any woman that's ever been in some sort of fucked up relationship had to have felt that moment. You know, and we'll get into-

• 10:35Speaker 02

  Oh, I know, that, that clip has been viral for like, it's still viral. I get, I get people from like Australia and like all these places that are like sending me DMs and pouring their hearts out and it's still to this day.

• 10:48Bunnie XO?

  It's an authentic moment. It's a real moment and you weren't afraid to show that. And I really have to give you your flowers on that because so many people try to just be hard for the cameras or try to act like they don't have emotion and you're just like, no, you know what? This fucking hurts, I'm going through some shit.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  That phase in my life when it comes to the reality stuff was so real and that's why it irks me. When the other individual tries to act like it wasn't.

• 11:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 11:12Speaker 02

  For, you know, safe face purposes, but it is what it is.

• 11:15Bunnie XO?

  So going back to the Bronx, um, you growing up in the Bronx, you, your mom, can you take us on that journey with your mom? Because your mom was pregnant with you in prison. So let's talk about this.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  Um, yeah.

• 11:29Bunnie XO?

  She's like, wait, you did your research.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no, no, yeah. Um, I mean, obviously I wasn't born yet. So I, I didn't get to experience much besides like the foster care stuff and not being able to be with my mom all the time. Well, you know, like I'm supposed to, any kid's supposed to in the very beginning, early stages of their life. But, um, yeah, it was an unfortunate situation. My mom, wrong place, wrong time, got caught up. And, um, my, my sisters, my older sisters, I should say, kind of felt it. More than any, anybody. Um, but yeah, it was, it was, it was definitely a trying time for my family.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  But my mom pushed through. Um, I was in the foster care system for, for some time. And, um, my mom, you know, did what she had to do when she came out to kind of get me back. And it wasn't until like I was like five, six, that some normalcy kind of started to transpire for me. So the early stages of my life were definitely away from mom and family.

• 12:37Bunnie XO?

  And that creates a lot of resentment and anger in your heart whenever as a, as a child. Cause I, my mom left me on a doorstep when I was a baby. And that really breeds kind of resentment, sometimes towards women or sometimes just towards everybody, you know?

• 12:50Speaker 02

  I feel like for me, it wasn't so much like resentment. It was just more of like, um, I just felt like it was just unfair, the, the things that I had to deal with as a baby.

• 13:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  You know?

• 13:04Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  And, and I can't blame her for it because it is what it is. But, you know, the people who were taking care of me, you know, and that's why too, it's like, when it comes to foster care children, I have such a like a soft spot for them because you'd be surprised, you know, how the system just.

• 13:21Speaker 02

  Really just misses handles children, you know, consistently. Um, and the people that they choose or they allow to be foster care parents. Because that's really, you know, I know for me in my experience, that was kind of, I think the, the part that really kind of messed me up in the childhood kind of phase of it. You know, being molested so young, not having control over what I was feeling, not understanding if what I was feeling was right and was wrong. Um, and that's why to, to this day, for me to be sexual with anybody or anything, even though I'm such a sexual being when I'm tapped in, it has to be a connection.

• 14:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  You know, even though I'm super like, people will look at me and be like, I'm super sad and I am, you know, like, um, it's part of like the Scorpio in me, like, but at the same time, I'm so kind of selective because of that.

• 14:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Well, you have, you have to be, um, you know, especially in this day and age, but I also think, didn't I see an interview where you talked about like, while you were in foster care, you were also like sexually abused.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:31Bunnie XO?

  Like that's hurtful too. And that can affect, that can also make people, um, super sexual or withdraw sexually.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  So yeah, I was, I was sexually assaulted when I was a child, um, for the time that I was in this particular, um, foster situation and, um, I feel like that kind of made me too, like the tough, not so much in the, like the sexual stuff. Granted, like when it comes to being sexual with anybody, I have to have a connection with you. Like it's not just, you know what I mean? And it takes a lot to get me there.

• 15:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  Um, but it also made me like,

• 15:14Speaker 02

  The tough girl that I am, you know, where I'm just kind of, I keep my, you know, and my tolerance and my, I don't know, it's kind of.

• 15:23Bunnie XO?

  You had to protect yourself at a young age. It was like.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  Yes, that's what it is. I had, so the way I am now, I'm like, so like, I'll be damn. And people call it crazy and they call it whatever. I call it, I just dare you to fuck with me just because I, what I couldn't do as a child for myself, I'm gonna do now.

• 15:42Bunnie XO?

  That just gave me goosebumps. You grew up to be the child, the woman that would have protected the little girl that you were.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  I still, yeah, I feel like I owe that little girl, the protection that I consistently, on a day to day basis, try to give myself, that protection.

• 15:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. And that's really, you know, going through something like that at a young age, because I also did too. And I'm only saying that to relate to you. I understand the anger.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed with the song your husband wrote on your behalf.

• 16:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Every time I listen to it, I cry.

• 16:09Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my gosh. Yes.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  Because it's really that. It's like, you know, you're innocent, you don't have no idea. And when it happens, it's like you, you know, no, no, as a child, you don't know how to explain. Or you, your innocence is really taken from you.

• 16:26Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. And not by choice.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  And the thoughts and this and that is like, you know, it's, it's tough. It's not easy.

• 16:32Bunnie XO?

  Well, that creates anger too. Like not being able to speak up and not being able to like, say, no, I don't want you to do this to me. That also creates anger. I grew up such an angry child. I got kicked out of so many schools.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, me too.

• 16:44Bunnie XO?

  For fighting, for, I mean, I'm telling you, and that, and it stems from all of that that's happened in your childhood. They say that you can feel your mother's emotions while you're, while she's pregnant with you.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, yeah. My son, Sapphire, who's four,

• 17:02Speaker 02

  vibrant child, like, and, and, and is very, um, is articulate, she, she, but she knows how to like articulate all her feelings and such a like, you know, vibe. But when I was pregnant with her, we were in, me and my ex-husband were in like, real diehard honeymoon phase. Legend.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  Oh my God, he is, any little thing goes off. It's, it's literally night and day and it's crazy because when I was pregnant with him was when I was tormented the most by my ex-husband. Like from the cheating to the embarrassment to, you know, left to fend for themselves after a house got robbed while he's in a, in a hotel. We're just in the same house that got robbed and I was there on ice tenting. It was just, and I literally can see the difference in my children from them too, just off of the, you know, what my pregnancy stage was and my phases of it.

• 18:00Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  And he's a beautiful, happy child. Don't get me wrong. But when he is, you know, not getting his way, the tantrums, the, the breakdowns he has, um, I definitely see it. I'm like, oh yeah, everything I felt when I was pregnant, he took on. He now walks with and that, that so it's funny because every time he has those moments, I tried to like squeeze him and, and, um, just because I'm just like, I, I know what I went through when I was a pregnant, pregnant and I just don't feel like it's his fault.

• 18:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  And why he is the way he is.

• 18:35Bunnie XO?

  And what happened to you also wasn't your fault either.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just wish I would have known better as far as like what I allowed to happen because had I known my, it would affect my child now, um, I probably would have made a lot more better decisions.

• 18:52Bunnie XO?

  Well, unfortunately, we don't know to make better decisions until we go through situations that make us grow.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Cause I'm like, had I known it really would affect it my child the way it does now, oh my God, I probably, it probably would have been a lot easier to just walk away and never look back than it was then, you know, because your children are different. They give you a different type of motive and like.

• 19:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  Hustle and reason and I'll be damned kind of.

• 19:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  You know, way to be.

• 19:18Bunnie XO?

  You're already such a fierce human, so I could only imagine how you are with your babies now.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Oh my God, I'm like, I'm orange jumpsuit. I dare you to fuck with me.

• 19:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  My kids, like, don't play with me.

• 19:29Bunnie XO?

  So circling back to your childhood, moving on from that horrible situation, I heard you say that your mom fought for you, which is awesome because a lot of women don't do that. Once their babies get lost into, into the, um, you know, system. And you also have how many brothers and sisters?

• 19:45Speaker 02

  So I have, okay, so I have two sisters, one of them on my dad, well, on my dad's side, I have two sisters and. Two brothers.

• 19:53Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Um, one of my sisters from my dad's side, oh, my best friend. I'm so happy we found each other. We didn't grow up together because my dad was, you know, playboy at his finest. Um, but later on in life, she found me and it's like my best friend. Like literally, I wish I had her all my life. But anyway, we're making up for it now. I have another sister that I was adopted and we don't know much about like her whereabouts. Um, but I have my two brothers on my dad's side and then on my mom's side, I have three sisters.

• 20:20Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  So I have a cute number of brothers and sisters.

• 20:23Bunnie XO?

  And they're like half, they're like half and, and full-blooded.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, because all my sisters, me and my sisters only share mama.

• 20:31Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  We all have different daddies.

• 20:32Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha. That's how my family is.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, um.

• 20:35Bunnie XO?

  I feel like parents back in the day were such players.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. They lived in that, um, time of just.

• 20:41Bunnie XO?

  Free love.

• 20:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, and just do it like we.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  Literally.

• 20:45Bunnie XO?

  We think we do what we want, wanted.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:47Bunnie XO?

  It's like, I feel like we're the generational curse breakers and we're breaking all the shit that our parents did. You know?

• 20:54Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so moving on from that, let's talk about your father's Dominican.

• 21:00Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 21:01Bunnie XO?

  And your, I heard your mother was raised by nuns.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:04Bunnie XO?

  Like, can we talk about that too?

• 21:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, unfortunately, she got caught up in the system as well, taken away from, um, my grandfather. Um, and put into the system and ended up in like all, I wouldn't even say all-girls school. It was like a girl and boy's school, but it was school, you know, for children, um, that nuns kind of raised them. And it wasn't the best experience. You would think, oh, nuns, holy place, but.

• 21:32Bunnie XO?

  No, especially everything that's coming out about like.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Terrible. My mom used to tell me, the stories my mom tells me, I won't even get personal on that just because, um, we recently just had like a heart-to-heart on all the things she went through and it's so sad. How, yeah, like I said, like I just have a soft base, base because these, they have these facilities for children and children just aren't being treated properly.

• 21:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  So my mom had a really tough upbringing, which is, you know, why I understand, you know.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Her even more so now because as a teen, me and my mom used to clash so bad.

• 22:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we're going through that right now, but thankfully it's not too rough. But I feel like everybody goes through that with their mom. It's like you just, you don't, they don't understand you. You don't understand them.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, so but now, you know, as time goes on, like my mom opening up to me more makes me appreciate her more, understanding what she's been through. And then it makes me look at the things that I've gone through and like, oh, it's actually not as bad as my mom. So I have to, and I also feel like where I got my strength and resilience from definitely comes from her. After hearing what she's kind of had to go through. I definitely know like why I'm such a, you know, unbreakable person is because of my mom. But yeah, she did fight for us. It wasn't easy. I'm sure they, it's funny because they'll take kids from parents, won't take kids from parents that deserve to be taken care of. And then the parents that do ride for their kids, they put them through hell.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  So that's kind of my mom scenario. But once she got us, we kind of, you know, life started to kick in. My stepfather took over, you know, and gave us such a beautiful life.

• 23:16Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about that though, because your mom was in a halfway house.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. And then fell in love with my, my, my dad. And yeah, and he, he gave us such, like I said, such a beautiful life. He was such a great person. He had, you know, his life as well and his back, his, you know, backstory. But ultimately he kind of, you know, fell in love with my mom and, you know, you couldn't tell him that we weren't his children. And that's how life, you know, kind of picked up for us. And, you know, he bought us our first home and, you know, it was just, it was, once things, you know, we got over those unfortunate circumstances and my mom did the work, meeting him, you know, that, that.

• 24:01Bunnie XO?

  The universe.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, that union just literally set the tone for my childhood to kind of actually kind of settle in and be all right. And I still dealt with a lot of things though secretly from what happened to me.

• 24:17Bunnie XO?

  So you, I think I heard in another interview that you said you never spoke about it, right?

• 24:21Speaker 02

  No, because when I did, I remember there was a time I did.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  I was told it didn't happen.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  So.

• 24:33Bunnie XO?

  That is so hurtful, though.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:35Bunnie XO?

  That's really.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  And it's funny, because the sister that told me it didn't happen is the sister I don't talk to now. Yeah. And that was the sister that I thought was like my nurturer, because she kind of did raise me when my mom was at home.

• 24:47Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  You know, my mom worked a lot to provide us everything.

• 24:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Um, that was the sister that kind of held it down for us, but.

• 24:54Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  You know, tables always turn and you eventually see who people are and that's kind of where I'm at with that.

• 24:59Bunnie XO?

  She might have gone through her own shit, too, so.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, she had a kid at a young age, um, so I'm sure she had her, you know, own stuff going on. But yeah, I was told it didn't happen and, you know, I kind of looked up and very was, how you say that? Respected this particular person who was my sister, so.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  You know, you respect someone and they tell you one thing, you kind of roll with it. And that's kind of how I took it in. And I didn't speak about it for a long time.

• 25:31Bunnie XO?

  That causes anger, too, in a child, when you feel like your voice isn't being heard. So you, you stuff that down, it's called unresolved anger.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:39Bunnie XO?

  And it's like you, to have to be that young and deal with being told that it wasn't true is.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:46Bunnie XO?

  Extremely hurtful and that comes out in other ways also.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that's why I'm like, I'm so adamant on like.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  Being. The tough cookie that I am. From then till now, I've definitely kind of calmed it down because I'm just kind of like, you got this, don't worry. People know now, they got them, they got them, they get the message now. You know, so I got a chance to wheel it back in, you know. But, um, yeah, that's kind of why I just kind of been that girl to no, take no shit. I got the label of being batshit crazy because I don't take no shit and I kind of just, I accept it. It just kind of is what it is. And then people thinking I'm crazy, believe it or not, helps me because it's kind of like, you know, they, they, they, how you say that, um. They, they know not to fuck with me, so that's kind of like selective, like unless they really, really, you know, like.

• 26:35Bunnie XO?

  Well, I'm your girl, so I'm going to give. I'm gonna give it to you real.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 26:38Bunnie XO?

  You had to step into your, your masculine energy.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  I've been in my masculine energy, even when I was married.

• 26:45Bunnie XO?

  Exactly.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Well.

• 26:47Bunnie XO?

  He's in his feminine energy, but we'll get into that.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  I feel like I've never not had to be in my masculine energy.

• 26:53Bunnie XO?

  Right. And, and I talk about that a lot on this podcast because I too, and I'm only saying this because I relate to you so much. Have been in my masculine energy my entire life. And the only person I'm in my feminine energy with is my husband. And I promise you that when it happens, you're going to be the softest. You're going to be the softest version of yourself and you're gonna look back.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  I had that taste for like, a second. And it's beautiful.

• 27:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. But when it really happens and it's really.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  For like ever, I'm sure it's like a breath of fresh air, right?

• 27:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you're going to look back and you're gonna be like, I never want to be in my masculine energy again. I want to be.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. No, to have to be in your soft era and then have to jump back in. That's what's not talked about a lot.

• 27:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. No, that's extremely fucking traumatizing.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  And it's hard to let it go. Cause you're like, I loved it there.

• 27:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like, why did you take this from me?

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Like, why? You could've just let me the fuck alone. Like, you gave me a taste of what I deserve and then to pull it underneath me to have to. And then to have to be masculine times 20 or 100 than you've ever been before.

• 28:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. No, I feel you, baby. I, and we're gonna get into that, I promise. We're just building this story. So.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have to build it.

• 28:14Bunnie XO?

  So going back to your stepdad, he pretty much came in, made life so great. And then when do you start like, you know, thinking like, okay, you know what? I want to be a star.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  I feel like I always kind of like loved music and I used to watch, um, West Side Story over and over and over again. Once my mom put me onto it, it was one of my favorite go to movies and I would sit and watch it and sing and dance and. I was obsessed with Rita Moreno. And I don't know, I just felt like I always loved that whole.

• 28:53Bunnie XO?

  Vibe.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, like it was just always me to sing and dance and I was always in the mirror and like, you know, it was just something that I just, just, it was just within me. It wasn't even like something I was introduced to. I've just, and I would watch musicals all day long. I just was obsessed with them. And um, once I started, you know, when my early pre-teens, music videos started to become a thing. Like for real, for real.

• 29:19Bunnie XO?

  Back in the day, video vixens were like the it thing to be.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, like Janet Jackson, That's the Way Love Goes was like one of my favorite go-to videos to watch because she had like a variety of all these beautiful women. And Jennifer Lopez was one of them, not even known at that time, but you know, one of the, like, you just see like all these women vibing out and dancing and just being, I don't know, it was just like a era, but that whole like music video phase kind of drew me in even more. And then, you know, um, growing up in New York, the castings of music videos and things like that were like at an all-time high. I actually have a cousin named Maritza. She used to be married to David Alingria.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  So we had our fair share sometimes too of going to see um, Living Color or him perform certain things, you know. And she was managing him at one point. And I remember like reaching out to her one time, I think 15, 14, and I was like, how do I, oh, I want to be that. I didn't know what it was. I just want to do that. And um, having a conversation with her, she was just like, if you're really serious, you know, go check out backstage. And that was a newspaper at the time that she would get at the corner, at the, um, you know, like the little um, newspaper stands, music magazine stands that sold candy and all that stuff.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  So I would like get off the bus or get off the train and get my, um, you know, backstage. And I eventually just like one day was like, you know what, I'm gonna start going on castings and auditions. And it just kind of took it from there. And um, I would go skip school, go on these castings. Before you knew it, I got, you know, casted for a music video and then it just kind of.

• 31:05Bunnie XO?

  Which one was the first one?

• 31:07Speaker 02

  Um, the first one ever was um, All Stars.

• 31:12Bunnie XO?

  It was a music video with this group called, I want to say it was All Stars.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  Can we find that, Mimi?

• 31:17Bunnie XO?

  And the crazy thing about it.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Is it online?

• 31:20Bunnie XO?

  It's featuring, um, it had Nicki Minaj.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 31:26Bunnie XO?

  Early prime.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 31:28Bunnie XO?

  Um.

• 31:33Bunnie XO?

  Type in All Stars Nicki Minaj and see if that comes up. Well, isn't that crazy how life is so full circle?

• 31:38Speaker 02

  So full circle because the individual I married later on in life was in it too. They had like a group. Yeah, that was my first music video ever.

• 31:49Bunnie XO?

  That's the red string theory.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Pull it up. It's so grainy and so like, because this was so long ago.

• 31:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. But how crazy is that? That's like the red string theory that he was in that video with her and you were in it also.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Life literally comes full circle.

• 32:06Bunnie XO?

  That is nuts.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  Weird.

• 32:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so weird.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Let's see if we can find it.

• 32:12Bunnie XO?

  All Stars.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  I, I, when we wrap this up, I feel like I can find it. Put Nicki Minaj, All Stars video.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Well, I was a, I was a vixen in the video. I was like a random, you know, video girl. That was my first video. Then came Can't Stop Won't Stop, Young Guns, which was Rockefeller and, um.

• 32:33Bunnie XO?

  That's all the New York shit.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  All the New York shit.

• 32:35Bunnie XO?

  That's when Rockefeller was like huge.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  Oh my God, yes. Young Guns, Can't Stop Won't Stop. And I remember, because it was one of the, it actually became, became one of those videos that were on all the countdown. So I would be at school and people would be coming from, you know, to school, like, I see you in the video, 106 at Park and da, da, da, da. And it was just like, it was a cool feeling. And then, yeah, it just kind of took on a life of its own. I got a taste of what it was like to see myself on TV. I got a taste of, you know, to see how things moved, you know, behind the scenes and what they were looking for, how you needed to look, what, how, what, how you needed to move, who you needed to be. Um, and as young as I was, I was picking up everything. No guidance, no, you know, manager, no nothing. I would like speak on behalf of myself. Um, and.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Just, you know, just kind of just maneuvered. And before you knew it, I was like lead girl in music videos. And then I started doing, you know, publications from like double X L I candy to.

• 33:33Bunnie XO?

  This was all huge.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  In the nineties.

• 33:35Bunnie XO?

  This was like the nineties, right? Nineties and two thousands.

• 33:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  Late nineties.

• 33:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:44Bunnie XO?

  We're showing our age here, Erica.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  I know. I was like, wait, is it nineties? Yikes.

• 33:48Bunnie XO?

  Like late.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  I was a baby. I was literally a baby. I, I, one of the videos.

• 33:52Bunnie XO?

  I was seventeen in ninety seven.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  I know. I was born in what eighty seven? So, yeah, like I, yeah.

• 33:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  I remember one of the videos I did, I was like fifteen.

• 34:02Bunnie XO?

  Wow. That's crazy. That, that would never fly nowadays.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  Well, back then, you, they didn't do all the paperwork and stuff like that.

• 34:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  And they paid you cash, you know?

• 34:13Bunnie XO?

  Well, it's because weird shit was kind of happening behind the scenes sometimes.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then it was up. It was in the early stages of just the whole, you know, how things would get done. Like there was no real process, you know? Um, they would cast you and then, you know, that's about it. You kind of get your two, three hundred dollars.

• 34:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  You know, get sent home and you'll be there all day. Like I went through it all.

• 34:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  But I'm, I'm really blessed though, in that even though I was so young, I wasn't dumb. And I will say this, my childhood traumatic experience saved me a lot from getting caught up in. You know, a lot of women do get lured in.

• 34:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 02

  In these environments to have to do X, Y, and Z to be in these positions where you can be on, you know, in these videos and stuff like that. And I feel like my traumatic experience definitely saved me from like knowing better. And just like, I would never, because what I went through, I know what it felt like to be touched and, you know.

• 35:11Bunnie XO?

  Not wanting.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I would never, like, I would have refused to like.

• 35:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Feel that way again, under my, with it being in my control, I would say. So, yeah, it, it like. Unfortunate situation, but it definitely prepared me and had me prepared to kind of maneuver in those spaces, being as young as I was.

• 35:31Bunnie XO?

  That's, that was an example of you taking your power back.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And I also knew like what I wanted to do. So I was just like, I, you're, you're gonna respect me and it's not for that.

• 35:43Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  You know?

• 35:44Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. When I got into sex work, that was my way of taking my power back. It was indirectly like, you can't touch me unless you pay me, you know? So it was like a, it was a weird healing, um, you know, situation, but we all, a lot of us victims, um, I, I don't like using that word. A lot of us survivors, um, you know, we take our power back in different ways and it could be something just like what you did, just saying like, you know what? I'm not gonna, you know, we're not shaming the other girls who have done it, but we're not gonna be, yeah.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally. It is. It's, it's, it's one of those things, like everyone has their own way of like dealing with what has hap- happened to them and then how to progress with it.

• 36:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. Can we bring up a couple of these videos so we can see young Erica?

• 36:30Speaker 02

  It's so funny.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  I, I.

• 36:33Bunnie XO?

  We got a few.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Do you got young, oh, oh God, that's, oh, I can't wait to dive into that. Oh, I can't wait to dive into that.

• 36:40Bunnie XO?

  Oh yeah, we got, we're ready, baby. We're ready.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  Okay, this video.

• 36:48Bunnie XO?

  You were in Candy Shop? I didn't know that.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 36:52Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I used to dance to the song.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  This is eighteen year old Mena, eighteen, nineteen.

• 36:57Bunnie XO?

  I used to, um, dance to the song on stage all the time. That is so funny.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  And I was definitely like seventeen, going on eighteen here.

• 37:05Bunnie XO?

  Look at Erica.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  I was such a baby.

• 37:09Bunnie XO?

  But you always, you still look the same.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  You think so?

• 37:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you're so beautiful.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  Thank you. Oh my God, this is one of my favorites.

• 37:16Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  I got to work with a lot of friends of mine on this.

• 37:20Bunnie XO?

  These were all the jams too.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm so lucky with my video catalog.

• 37:25Bunnie XO?

  No, this is amazing.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:27Bunnie XO?

  This is like history.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  I was really excited about this one because for me, there was so many beautiful women on set. And the fact that I was picked to kind of have that like one on one moment. When you're in the video world and you start from like, okay, kind of being a little bit of an extra to like main girl.

• 37:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  You know, status. It's like an accomplishment when you get to kind of deal with the artist one on one. That's why the Chris Brown video, it was like, oh my God, now that's movies. Like I made it.

• 37:56Bunnie XO?

  How was it meeting Chris Brown?

• 37:57Speaker 02

  It was his early like years of, you know, child. So, and I remember, cause I used to smoke Black and Milds.

• 38:06Bunnie XO?

  Oh God, I think everybody went through a Black and Milds phase.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  And I remember him seeing me off camera, smoke one and he would not let it go. He was just so, this is like baby Chris Brown.

• 38:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  So he was like, ew, you've smoked cigarettes, you smoke blah, blah, blah, blah. And he would not let it go. That he even made a comment about it on like making the video and swear to this day, people swear like, like I had like some type of bad breath, but it was him talking about me like smoking and you could smell the smoke. Like, you know, so.

• 38:41Bunnie XO?

  Black and Milds have a distinct smell.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Every time I see him, I'm like, you have to clear the air on that, that you were literally getting like, making fun of me for being a Black and Milds smoker. Cause he was fresh, he was like, you know, baby, wasn't smoking, wasn't doing anything. And um, yeah, but that video was my favorite. I remember um, my best friend at the time, me and her were up for the part.

• 39:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  And it was, you know, I felt bad, but I was like, I want it. So I made sure to outdo her and I got the part.

• 39:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I mean, this is, this is your career that we're talking about.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  I had that Michael Jackson video, what's that video where he goes, walks down the street?

• 39:15Bunnie XO?

  Uh, the way you make me feel.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Yes, the way you make me feel.

• 39:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  Okay, so I had that video in mind and I remember that woman just being so like poised and badass. So when I did the audition and it was Eric White who was. Um, who directed this video. I made sure that whole video was just playing in my head over and over. So in audition, like with my friend there, I made sure to outdo her. We're not friends anymore, so I can talk the truth about it.

• 39:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but I mean, you're not even saying anything bad.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  I'll do you, sweetie. But yeah.

• 39:46Bunnie XO?

  To be seventeen, sixteen, seventeen, doing these types of videos, that's insane. Like, that's a lore. Like, this is history right here.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it's, it's, I have a lot to tell my mom. I mean, my, my daughter.

• 39:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, literally.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Sapphire mommy has a book to tell you.

• 40:01Bunnie XO?

  But unless you've lived through this era, you don't understand it. And it's hard for people to respect it. But this is like, this is really fucking cool.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  Videos aren't like the go to thing anymore.

• 40:10Bunnie XO?

  No, and this was such a cool era. I wish we could go back to this because this was like.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  That's the girl, actually. She ended up being casted for the friend.

• 40:17Bunnie XO?

  Aww.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Her name's Marisha.

• 40:20Bunnie XO?

  I love it. But I mean, this is like, this is such a cool lore. And this just goes, um, I just want to show everybody how independent you were before even this marriage.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:29Bunnie XO?

  Made so many headlines. And you know, because I see people say things and I'm just like, do they realize who Erica was before she got with this band?

• 40:36Speaker 02

  And I think because I've been around for so long.

• 40:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  And then came this era, and then came Love and Hip Hop. And then when I did Love and Hip Hop, well, I was on there for like fifteen years easy. I went through the different phases, like, and, and I'm, I'm, I went through the whole era of like, okay, not understanding how reality TV works to, okay, now I need to get the audience to tap into me, even though producers were still set on me being narrated this way, that brought in ratings. It took a, a while for people to kind of like, okay, see me as a person. And I still feel like they don't see me as a person because they're so used to me being the villain.

• 41:18Speaker 03

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• 41:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  You know, for a long time I was okay with going in, tearing shit up, saying whatever, telling, you know, letting, doing whatever they wanted me to do. Until finally, I was like, this is not who I want to be forever. I want to do movies and I want to do. And I would go out for auditions for movies, but because people have this set, you know, narrative on me, casting people, it was hard for people to cast me. So then I'm like, okay, I have to do something. That over time and, and even though it was like, I was one, I'm one week hated, one week loved and it goes back and forth and it fluctuates. One thing's for certain is people watch for me.

• 42:25Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  You know, because I, I bring it, whether it's, um, put together a story by production or it's my real life.

• 42:33Bunnie XO?

  What'd you say to me earlier? Talk your shit, girl.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  So it's like, yeah, I've been able to kind of like, people, whether they hate me or love me or whatever, they gravitate, they watch. So over time, I'm just like, you know what? Like I, I want people to kind of know who I am. I'll still give you guys what you need. But I want people to start knowing, that's why too, you'll see the shift. If you see the years of loving hip hop, how is this? About it, about it, about it, you know, going off on whoever, I will say whatever and, and read, read a bitch for filth. No, no, no, um.

• 43:10Bunnie XO?

  Which I love that, Erica. Pop the fuck off, queen. For sure.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  I would have like no remorse. And then after a while, I'm just like, okay, I'm done being that girl, like. And you could, you would see the shift. If you really watch that early loving hip hop phase to like, okay, as time went on, you'll see how things change. And it was because I was just so sick of people just thinking I was just this mean, batshit, crazy bitch for no reason. It's like, I had to do my job and I did it. And now it's like, okay. People still want me, um, so let's show them who I am.

• 43:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  So for a while, and even with that, like I would be real deal myself and production would like edit things to be the way they want it to be. That's why with my.

• 43:58Bunnie XO?

  Lesbian relationship.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  This is the real deal. And then next you know, it's like they're edging it up like this bitch is completely innocent. And it's like, damn.

• 44:10Bunnie XO?

  We're gonna hop into that relationship with Sin too, but I wanna talk about another relationship before all the Love and Hip Hop stuff. Okay. You actually met your first baby daddy, Raul. I know. He was part of the Terror Squad. Take me on that journey with you guys.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Um, I met him at the Nina Sky video, Move Your Body.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  And I was brought in by, you know, production to be on set where he was already on set. And I remember him telling me the story. I had this black dress. Remember the era of like that draping?

• 44:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually still love those dresses.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I had one of those dresses on set. And um, he said he, this is the story that he tells me and it's, it lives a rent free in my head forever. But um, he's like, as soon as they brought you in the room, I seen you and I looked down at your stomach and I was just like, damn.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  This bitch is gonna have my baby.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  He was like, your, your stomach was so sexy. He was just like, I just felt like you were gonna have my baby. And he was like, that's why I said, and it's funny because they asked him when I, they brought in a couple of girls, like who, who he wanted. Nan, standing next to him and he picked me. And as soon as I, you know, got next to him, he took off his terrorist rights chain, put it on my neck. And it just draped right there on top of my stomach. And from there it was like history. Oh, and then he like. I remember once he put on the chain, he put his arm around me, passes me his phone and he goes, put your number in.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Getting with my first baby daddy. But that was the kind of man I was like always attracted to. A man that's just like assertive, like boss, like not with the extra shit, like. You know, let's get straight to the point. I'm one of those women like, if you wanna fall in love in three days, let's do it. But really fall in love, like I'm down. So anyway, he, he pulled that.

• 46:10Bunnie XO?

  Mesh emerged souls.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, okay, like you see me, you want me, you're for me, let's do this. And that's what it was. He saw me, he, he knew he wanted me and yeah, and um. We were inseparable after that. I felt like

• 46:26Bunnie XO?

  How old were you?

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Um, I was eighteen when I met him.

• 46:31Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, I was young.

• 46:35Bunnie XO?

  You're a baby, but you're, you know, of age. So

• 46:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:38Bunnie XO?

  It's fine. Um, so you ended up having Raul's baby.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 46:43Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey of being a video vixen and getting pregnant. Like, how do you?

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Oh, I hid my first pregnancy. I hid.

• 46:51Bunnie XO?

  How, how did you do that?

• 46:53Speaker 02

  You know why? Cause, okay, not saying I don't love my kids. I'm so obsessed with my kids.

• 46:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  But I never wanted kids.

• 47:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, there's, there's nothing wrong with that. I've never wanted kids either, and I have one right here.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  I, I never wanted kids. I think seeing my, my, my sisters' struggle, um, to provide and, and all of that just wasn't my thing.

• 47:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  It just wasn't, I, I just saw it as like, okay, this is great for you guys, but it's not for me. And I used to walk around with this whole mentality of like, if I was stupid enough to get pregnant, I'm gonna be smart enough to keep my baby. So therefore I'll never be stupid enough to get pregnant.

• 47:32Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  And then before you know it, me and Raul was having our time of our lives, living it up. You know, I was hanging out with him during the stages of BMF being, you know, in Miami and running the streets. DJ Khaled was still DJing at the clubs.

• 47:47Bunnie XO?

  I actually had, uh, Teresa Welch on the podcast and she's, uh, she was the first lady of BMF.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. So like, I was around during that, that era.

• 47:55Bunnie XO?

  What a great era. What a time to be alive.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  Money was everywhere.

• 47:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  I feel like it taught, it showed me to the ropes of like, okay, like be about your shit, get your money. You could live a good life and, you know, that's kind of where I was aiming and that's where I was. So when I found out, and I found out when I was pregnant, like six months pregnant, I had no idea. I was six months living my best life, wasn't showing, no symptoms, um, still getting my period.

• 48:18Bunnie XO?

  And you're already so tiny, like

• 48:21Speaker 02

  I was even more tiny.

• 48:22Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Before then, cause I didn't have my breast implants, nothing. I was like so young.

• 48:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Um.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  And yeah, I found out I was pregnant and I, I was actually depressed. I didn't want it. I didn't want a baby.

• 48:37Bunnie XO?

  Well, I mean, you were, you were a baby having a baby.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't, and I, and I hid and I hid and I just, I had to gather myself in the sense of like, okay, like this is what it is. How do I do this?

• 48:50Speaker 02

  I more so spent the time being pregnant with my first pregnancy, coming to terms with, okay,

• 48:59Speaker 02

  this is what it is and being okay with that.

• 49:02Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  But once King was born, I was like, okay, I'm okay with this.

• 49:09Bunnie XO?

  Oh, you fell in love with him.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  I fell madly in love with him. I breastfed. I took pride in that. And because I hid my whole pregnancy too, for me was more so like, I got a chance to just dive into like, okay, this is what it is. You're gonna have to do whatever it takes, you know, to, to give this person the best life possible. And I didn't know how I was gonna do that, but I knew I was gonna do whatever it took to do that.

• 49:36Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  And.

• 49:37Bunnie XO?

  How did you guys come up with his name?

• 49:39Speaker 02

  He named him.

• 49:40Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  He named him.

• 49:42Bunnie XO?

  That makes it even more special.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, he named him. He, I, I was like, one day I was like, do you wanna name him Raul? And we're like, you know, like, cause I didn't, I, like I said, I was still coming to terms with me being pregnant. So the whole naming thing, you know, was like, I, I didn't know, I didn't want that responsibility. But at the same time, I was like giving suggestions. And then one day he was like, we're gonna name him King. And I was like, what? Really? He was like, yeah, I just love the idea of like a woman going up to him and like asking him his name. And he just says to her, I'm King.

• 50:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  He's like, and he was, Raul was so into God and about God and, you know, stuff like that, that, you know, he would always say, you know, God is King, King is God, God. So I think that's kinda where his, his drive with that came from.

• 50:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  And I was, I was fine with that. I was like, King, actually, that's, and then when I thought about the, you know, how he broke it down, like, yeah, imagine, like, if I was a woman walking up to a guy, he's fly and turns around, asks him the name's King. I'm sold.

• 50:39Bunnie XO?

  And but but back then too, that name wasn't very popular.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  It wasn't.

• 50:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  It wasn't. Um, I think Kingston Gwen Stefani had named her son Kingston around that time. I remember that vaguely because when she announced it, I'm like, she talk her name.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  But he's like, no, it's King, King. So, yeah, so he named him. Um, and yeah, and it was it. King changed my life completely. Uh, he made me the ultimate hustler.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  He made me realize that even more so than I did before, feel like I had the, like, I I needed to make shit happen for me.

• 51:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Because, you know, stealing baby formula and Pampers and all that shit was not the life I wanted to live, but it was what I had to do at some points. And, um, it was just like, okay, I I can't. And it's it's crazy because still to this day, like, people will be like, where is Queen? Why she never show him? And da, da, da, da, and blah, blah. And, um, so on, so forth. But it's like, he was born and I did everything I could to provide for him. So, um, when I finally got the call to kind of do Love and Hip Hop, I was living in LA at the time. King was like seven, six, seven. Um, Love and Hip Hop in New York was in New York. I was living in LA.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  And I made my mom retire so that I can have the peace of mind. Obviously, me going through what I went through as a child, I was like, I'm not leaving my kid with just anybody.

• 52:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  So the next best thing was make my mom stop working and take on the responsibility of not only taking care of a kid, but my mama, so that I can have peace of mind.

• 52:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  And go out and make shit happen for us so that this way we can have. So I did have to sacrifice a lot of time, but it wasn't until he was like six, seven. I was with King, thugging it, you know.

• 52:36Bunnie XO?

  Well, you were you were already doing some TV stuff because Raul hadn't was best friends with.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, he set us up to do Dash Miami and King was like, what, three, four? He was he was in a snippet of it, too.

• 52:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  Um, he was like two, three. He was walking around. He was so small, so tiny. But yeah, I will say he was putting me in. One thing I will say, regardless to what, um, and our relationship at one point was so like, ah, it was it was toxic.

• 53:01Bunnie XO?

  That was my next question.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was toxic because it was more controlling. Like, he really just. He saw me as being for him and only for him. And as time grew, I was like, I want more out of life. Like, I love you, but I want more. And I, like, staying in this.

• 53:17Bunnie XO?

  Was he a lot older than you? Okay, how mu- how older?

• 53:20Speaker 02

  Um, a couple of years. Okay.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  Um, but I will say this, like, even though the times that he made things difficult for me, he was always a dad.

• 53:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  He loved his kids. And even in the times where he didn't have much, he still made it happen. So, like, with King, with, with Raul, I never, ever had to think for one second to ever put him on child support or anything like that. Cause he just was always like, he was just a real one when it came to the kids. He just made things difficult for me at times. But yeah, but even with that being said, he put me in position for a lot of things that I'm able to do now. Like, reality TV, he was the one who kind of set that play up. Um, him being good friends with Scott Disick. Um, he introduced me to Courtney and every time they would come to Miami, we would hang out with them. So I eventually built, you know, a rapport with her.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  So when she started to cast for Dash, she, you know, asked about me and, and Raul was like, absolutely. He actually was the one who made Jesse Torero put me in Candy Shop. And this is around the time that Fat Joe and 50 Cent had their rival. But he was like, my girl, cause he knew Jesse was casting for that. And he was like, you know, Eric will be banging for that. Like, you need to have, you know, a Latina in there, stop playing. And, and Jesse was like, you sure? Like, aren't you at war? He was like, Joe's at war, not like, they got nothing to do with my girl. So he put me in position for that.

• 54:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's amazing.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  I was casted for that. Yeah, no, like, Raul, like, even though we had our toxic times and it was real bad, girl, like, real bad, like, physical bad, like, whatever we could do to fuck with each other, hurt each other, we were doing at one point. And it's not something I, you know, I'm happy about, but it's the truth. And, but even still, he didn't, he knew I was the mother of his child, so he didn't.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Do anything to stop me from flourishing to be able to be the best that I could be.

• 55:26Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. That's a real man.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, like regardless of how he felt like he at one point he had like a real possessive kind of mentality when it came to me.

• 55:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Which I look back at it now. I'm like, fuck.

• 55:37Bunnie XO?

  Kind of hot.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  It's very hot. Um, but I was young and I also was like, oh, no, let me be. I want to go. I want to, because I also knew like

• 55:49Speaker 02

  there was more for me.

• 55:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  You know, and he was very set in how he did things and how he was as a man. You know, like I used to get on him all the time because he used to, he would bring money to everybody. Like put these business plays from Fat Joe to Khalid to, you know, Jesse Terrell, to all these big people that now are doing so extremely well for themselves. He would set up these plays for them and would never ask for any type of like business percentage from deals he locked in and, and no, none of them would ever look back and be like, hey, you set this up here, feed your family. So I was, you know, as his woman sitting around, seeing this man look out for everybody and, and you see the other wives, you know, living it

• 56:36Speaker 02

  good and, and we're here kind of like struggling and penny pinching. And after a while, it just, it just didn't sit well for me and I would bring it to his attention and it would just be a bicker and his thing was, you know, like, you know, this is what I do. This is who I am. And, and that was great for him. But for me, it was like, as your woman, I can't sit up here penny pinching while you're doing all of this. Everyone's eating and we're just barely making it.

• 57:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Also, as his, his other half, you, you want to bring that to attention because you want to be like, hey, baby, like you deserve this too.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  To, up until he passed, I feel like that was always our conversations. Because he's, he was always the power play.

• 57:17Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  And it's funny because at one point he came out with his own water. And he brought it to Joe's attention, like, let's do our own water, blah, blah, blah. And.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  It's safe to say Fat Joe downplayed all of Raul's great ideas, but over the years, who had their own water? 50 Cent came out with his own vitamin water, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like all these great ideas that he would bring to Fat Joe and he would downplay it or turn his, turn his cheek and, you know, like, he was such a brilliant man with all these great ideas. He just wasn't, he was respected when it came time to protect everybody and, you know, do the street shit and stuff like that. And when he was bringing money to the table, but never looked at and like, you know, acknowledged for the other great things that he was, you know, trying to make happen. So I think that was just like, as much as I like wanted to stug it out and stick with

• 58:14Speaker 02

  him on it, I just, I just knew like, okay, you're okay with this and this lifestyle and this living and being, you know, Yeah. leveled with all of this, I can't. Like, I, like, the way these other individuals are living, I deserve to live like that too. And that kind of was the reasoning for me, kind of, like, breaking things off. But it wasn't easy because he was not letting me go for Yeah. for a while. But he still put me in position. Yeah. I owe that man so much. Um, I, like, you know, from the music videos to bringing me into reality TV, I got a taste of it.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  I got a chance to see how it works, what it was and how they do things and just seeing like how the Kardashians are able to turn anything with their name on it into bucks and stuff like that. Like, getting a taste of that with him putting me in position to do that and be that, you know, set it off for me. It was everything I needed to know. It was like, kind of like a little blueprint. So that man, you know, we, we had our toxic times and it was ugly and there was one point, um, I went viral after I got on Love and Hip Hop because of an altercation I had with him, um, outside of a nightclub, um, which was, you know, gets brought up a lot and people don't understand the backstory of that, but it's fine. Um, but even with that being the case, he still

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Did right by me because I was his kid's mother. And you know, for that, I just, I gotta give him the ultimate respect.

• 59:52Bunnie XO?

  How are you dealing with his death?

• 59:55Speaker 02

  Um, I don't think you could ever deal with it.

• 59:58Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  I didn't think I'll.

• 1:00:05Bunnie XO?

  Um. You push so much down, Erica, that that's why whenever moments like this happen, it comes to you because you don't, you push so much down. You're so trying to be the tough person, you know? So it's like.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  It's, um.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  It's the heartbreak.

• 1:00:26Bunnie XO?

  It's okay to hurt.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  That I gotta watch my baby go through it. I can't do anything about that.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Cause I can't ever take that away.

• 1:00:42Bunnie XO?

  It was so unexpected, too.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. It was his best friend, my kid's best friend, and they had a relationship that was just so. Hmm.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  I actually wish I had that type of, thank you, that type of relationship with one of my parents. I guess you could say I kinda had it with my stepfather, but, um.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  To see your kid heartbroken.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  And as a mom, you really can't do anything about it.

• 1:01:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  Is like the hard part.

• 1:01:16Bunnie XO?

  Was.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  And then realizing.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  That now I'm really a single mom.

• 1:01:27Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  Because he was like our dad.

• 1:01:33Bunnie XO?

  Were him and.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  The other situation, I feel like.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  Is whatever. I think I've been a single mom from the beginning.

• 1:01:42Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  But now for real, single mom.

• 1:01:47Bunnie XO?

  You almost don't realize how much he wait he pulled with you until he's not there anymore.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, because um, when I couldn't be there because of my work schedule and things like that, he pulled rank and he showed up and he he he did what he had to do.

• 1:02:04Bunnie XO?

  Were him and King close?

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 1:02:07Bunnie XO?

  Were him and King close?

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Extremely.

• 1:02:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Extremely close. And it's funny because over the years, me and him became extremely close too. He would talk, he would, he would talk to me and like, like, what do you see in this? Like, look how fast you left me because you wanted better. What is it with this? This is not even your type. This is not even of your level. Like, you know why I picked you? You know why I picked you? Because I saw greatness in you. You know why he picked you? Because he wants to take your greatness. And he would have these conversations with me and and they would resonate. And those and and our conversations mean his conversations will be those times where I would have the, I would build that strength and then I'll be like, okay, never again.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  And then, you know.

• 1:02:55Bunnie XO?

  He was like your best friend.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Again, yeah. But he would remind me of who I was a lot. Like, do you, do you know who you are? Did you forget who you are? Like, look how fast you left me and you didn't look back and look what happened. Like, what is it with this clown, whatever the fuck he wanted to call him at the moment? What is it with him? Like, why? Why are you letting this situation? Especially when I was going through postpartum really bad after I had Legend.

• 1:03:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  He would come over, bring me food, open the shades.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  Like, what are you, like, what are you doing, E? Like, did you, did you forget who fuck you are? He's like, like, you know, snap out of it. And then, you know, it's funny because the babies loved him. They called him Uncle Raul. We had a relationship. It was great. You know, um, the only thing, he was just so soft with King. King would get away with everything and that would be our. Bicker if there was any like you have to let like you can't let him run you you can't let him tell you what to do and this and that I'm like you have to be the dad and he's like oh you know like he just had this softness with with King that King could get away with anything could tell him anything

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  or whatever but he was the best dad and then over time he just became one of my

• 1:04:25Bunnie XO?

  confidants

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  confidants no other we spent Thanksgiving together you know at times we did New Year's Eve together like him the babies King and Raul and the family and you know that was that was it you know

• 1:04:42Bunnie XO?

  I'm so sorry that you guys have to go through that that like it breaks my heart to see you hurt so bad

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  it's hard to just know that King's still hurting

• 1:04:49Bunnie XO?

  yeah

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  and probably will be hurting for some time

• 1:04:51Bunnie XO?

  yeah

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  you know

• 1:04:52Bunnie XO?

  yeah losing a parent is rough I couldn't even imagine at that age

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  and then yeah and then you know King and him had plans to

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  you know do things together like you know moving him into his dorm room college and things like that and

• 1:05:14Bunnie XO?

  how is your relationship with King now cuz I know you

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  it's kind of better we've we've had our moments I feel like because King for a little bit he doesn't like the limelight so you know me being famous and stuff like that like once he became vocal like he didn't want to be on TV and social media cuz any real fan of mine knows like me and King used to have the best snaps back in the day and King is so smart that we used to we used to end up on blogs cuz this is the beginning phases of like social media and stuff but Snap was big for us and we would sit and have these conversations and as a kid he was so into like global warming and modern day feminism

• 1:05:57Bunnie XO?

  sounds like this one over here

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  yeah yeah

• 1:06:00Bunnie XO?

  they're just so smart like I could never

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  yeah so we would sit and just have these conversations on Snap and people would just be so blown away about how smart he is and this and the third and He finally started going to school and where kids were a little bit older and parents, you know, are tuned into Love and Hip Hop. And that attention just started to really get to him and affect him. And there was one time he went to the library and a group of parents just kind of like forced him to take pictures. And that just kind of traumatized him for the rest. Like that to this day, to get King to go out with me somewhere,

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  I have to promise him that I'm not taking pictures.

• 1:06:39Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I understand that. We deal with that in our family, too.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, like he hates it. He doesn't like it at all. He's very, he's so super introvert. He's like not with any. So for a while, it was just like, why do you have to be famous? I hate this. Like, you know, like, so.

• 1:06:59Bunnie XO?

  We went through that with Bailey, too.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, like.

• 1:07:02Bunnie XO?

  It's rough on kids.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's not even because he was never bullied or anything about it. It was just the fact that.

• 1:07:09Bunnie XO?

  It's a life they didn't ask for.

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, why are they in our, like, why do they want to take, like, I hate this, like, why? So for a little bit, he dealt with that. And then also, too, when I started Love and Hip Hop, I had to fly out every Sunday from LAX Red Eye to make it Monday. To fly back out Friday Red Eye, so I could have Friday, well, Saturday morning to Sunday. So I would only have like a day and a half with him when I started doing Love and Hip Hop. So I missed that on a lot.

• 1:07:45Bunnie XO?

  You get a lot of shit for that.

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 1:07:48Bunnie XO?

  And I, to me, and, you know, everybody has their own situations that are going on. And you had your own trauma that you're dealing with, especially at that age.

• 1:07:58Bunnie XO?

  Since when did we start shaming moms for having to work?

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:02Bunnie XO?

  I don't, that's, I don't understand.

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  Because I already have the guilt of like knowing I'm gonna miss football. I'm gonna miss parent teacher. I'm gonna miss, you know, just making him lunch every day or whatever. Like, that guilt will just never go away. And just the little things, like, even now with the little guys. I'm like, I bring them to set with me because I'm so scared of missing something.

• 1:08:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  You know, I don't, I already walk with that, like.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  resentment with myself.

• 1:08:29Bunnie XO?

  Guilt.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  And guilt cuz I'm like, fuck, I missed out on so much with him. But at the same time, King had stability. He had structure. I go through it a lot. Like, I feel like, especially with the little ones, I think back like, damn, like, this is what I missed with King and da, da, da, da. So anyway, with that being said, I had nothing when I had King.

• 1:08:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Like, Raul did what he could, but for myself, I had nothing.

• 1:08:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Like, in order to have rent be paid, in order to stop stealing what the fuck I needed to survive, in order to provide food and all of that, I really had nothing.

• 1:09:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  So when I got the opportunity to do Love and Hip Hop, it was a lot. Like, even for me, can you imagine, like, working all, and I remember I had to, like, stay with my sister for the weeks, the days during the week that I was filming for Love and Hip Hop.

• 1:09:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  Who was still living in New York, and then fly back and then literally be home, but this long.

• 1:09:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  To go back on that six damn hour flight. But it was an opportunity for me to get out there, to, for me to get paid, even though they wasn't paying me much at that time, but it was something.

• 1:09:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  And it also gave me an opportunity to give King what he needed.

• 1:09:52Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  You know, not having shit.

• 1:09:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you were literally working.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  I was working to provide what he needed and, and, and just making it, and I was okay with that because I was able to pull it off. And then you gotta remember too, I also had my mom that I had to take care of too.

• 1:10:09Bunnie XO?

  Yes. Well, people make it sound like you just were out partying and like living a life, and they don't even realize that, like, the parents every day make sacrifices for their kids, you know? And you were doing what you had to do at that time to make money. Did you miss out on his life a lot? Yes, but now look at the life that you have provided.

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  And I, and I will say that, like, I, I, I missed out on a lot, but he turned out to be such a beautiful. So he is so like intelligent. He has accomplished so much.

• 1:10:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  He's seventeen and in college right now.

• 1:10:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  As we speak, like I can't even complain.

• 1:10:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  That's why now, like before it used to bother me and I used to sit there and like explain myself. But now it's like, I feel like it's a little bit weird and freaky and kind of like. Now I look at people who inquire and stress this whole where is he, why she's never posted. Like you are weird to be stressing about a child's whereabouts, especially a child that is doing well for himself.

• 1:11:11Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  At such a young age for him to graduate high school and already be in college at seventeen and already have his career. Like he wants to do um cyber, he wants to work in cybersecurity. And he's adamant on like being in that field, no matter what it takes, you know, like, and it's not industry, it's not. And he has the private life that him and his dad, even though his dad was known, his dad likes his privacy as well. So he gets that trait from his dad. And he, he has everything he wants and more. You know, it's just unfortunate now he doesn't have his best friend, you know.

• 1:11:49Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  Um, but even with that being said, he's doing the work to get through it by, you know, now he's in college. He's, you know, sourced out his own therapist and, you know, things like that to kind of, you know, start his life and, and being a grown.

• 1:12:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  You know, person and he does a great job at it. And now I feel like he's accepted me being the famous.

• 1:12:15Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:12:15Speaker 02

  Family.

• 1:12:16Bunnie XO?

  Well, it takes some growing, some growing up a little bit too.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  And now it's like, it's funny because now that he's in college, we talk more now that he's in college than we have. Ever. Well, when he was a kid, he used to blow me up. Um, but then he got into like preteen and then it was like, oh, my mom's famous. And then, um, but now he's in college and we talk all the time. Like we literally are on the phone for hours that I gotta tell him like, King, I gotta let the babies sleep. I'll call you tomorrow. And, and even that is so hard because it's like your baby wants to talk to you, stay on the phone with you. And you're like, fuck, I gotta go. I gotta go because I have the other ones. But, and then the babies are obsessed with him. Sapphire is like in love with her brother.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  You know, talks about him all day long. And it's funny because he doesn't like pictures, but with her, he'll sit on her. Like she will turn her iPad and with her, he'll take pictures. But pictures with anybody else, like he runs from the camera. So anytime we want like an updated photo of King, we go to Sapphire's iPad. And they're there like, you know.

• 1:13:21Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's come full circle, our, our relationship. And then any parent who has a teenager knows like teenage years, they, they suck. I love being a mom, but like, oh, like, and I'm thinking already about it when it comes to the two, the two that I have now. I'm like, I do not want to go through those.

• 1:13:38Bunnie XO?

  Girl.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  Teenage years are so hard.

• 1:13:41Bunnie XO?

  You're gonna have two of them at the same time.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  Exactly. And I got the boy and the girl and it's, it's, it's gonna be so interesting to see how I pull that off. But, um, teenage years are so hard. And then in this generation, and then the way school is made up, how, you know, kids are forced to have to talk about commerce, like subjects that kids shouldn't be having to talk about.

• 1:14:01Bunnie XO?

  Kids now, some of the stuff.

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  Sexual preferences and, you know, Tom wants to become Sally and all of that stuff is fine, but it's like, that's not what I have in my household. So for them to have this upbringing and then put them into a school that, or schools in general, or the outside world. Cause one thing I've learned is that these kids learn more from other kids than they do their teachers sometimes.

• 1:14:22Bunnie XO?

  It is scary.

• 1:14:24Speaker 02

  And then they come back from school, you know, you lie to me or why is this? And then it's like, you don't, you're not prepared for these conversations yet because they're not at the age where you should be preparing for them.

• 1:14:35Bunnie XO?

  My husband, um, always says this quote. He says, the worst thing you can do for a child is a parent that has an unlived life.

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:42Bunnie XO?

  Because you know, if you're just gonna sit at home with your kid and not pursue your dreams, what is that teaching your children?

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:49Bunnie XO?

  You know, now look at your baby. He's in college pursuing his dreams because.

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:53Bunnie XO?

  He had parents that pursued their dreams.

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then that sacrifice, you know, even though I wasn't ever expecting to do it by myself now with the two little ones.

• 1:15:01Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  It puts me in position now where, okay, I have made a name for myself where like the two little ones now, instead of leaving them behind, I can bring them with me on movie sets and stuff. Because I have a little status and people kind of respect it and understand. And now too, working moms are more respected.

• 1:15:18Bunnie XO?

  Way more respected than they were back in the day.

• 1:15:20Speaker 02

  They know you come with kids. They're gonna give you a good trailer. And that's how I've been able to pull off all my movies. Because every single movie I have done, the little ones have been on set with me.

• 1:15:29Bunnie XO?

  I see that too. I think that's so true.

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  And that's something I would, I wish I would have had then, but I was making a name for myself and setting myself up back then.

• 1:15:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  So now, yeah, things are different.

• 1:15:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So moving on from King, we're gonna get into the subject that everybody wants to talk about and everybody wants to hear from you on, because you haven't spoken about this at all.

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  I've been speaking about it just because of Love and Hip Hop.

• 1:15:54Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  But most recently, there was.

• 1:15:57Bunnie XO?

  The most recent event.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was just something that was put out there for monetization and clout and, you know, for a weird agenda of a certain individual.

• 1:16:09Bunnie XO?

  Who's now a YouTuber.

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, all of a sudden, a YouTuber.

• 1:16:13Bunnie XO?

  We were, we were researching last night and I was just like, this is fucking weird, but to each their own. I'm never gonna knock anybody's hustle.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  It's gotta be a midlife crisis. At forty-three years old, you wake up one day and wanting to be a YouTuber.

• 1:16:26Bunnie XO?

  Girl, let me break out my glasses, cuz I've got so many notes on this. Um, so for those of you who don't know, you actually, um, married Safari. Uh, or, yes, you married Safari, who is Nicki Minaj's ex. That's pretty much what people know him for, is being Nicki Minaj's ex. You can see her whole demeanor change, talking about this man. Um, take me on the courtship, because you said somewhere that he courted you for about three years?

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 1:17:01Bunnie XO?

  That's crazy.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  I didn't want him.

• 1:17:04Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  My intuition knew what was up.

• 1:17:07Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  I did not want him. I never found him attractive in that way. Um, and it's funny, because it wasn't until I actually started dating him that I even got like the real.

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  Of like his relationship with Nikki. Um, so when he started to kind of come after me, I, I knew he was her ex, but I didn't know the real details of it. Um, coming from the terror squad angle of my life, I always was a Remy fan and stuff like that. And don't get me wrong. Like, who doesn't sing a Nicki Minaj song? But I was never like tapped in, like, because you remember she's from Brooklyn, I'm from the Bronx. So you kind of, growing up in New York, you, you side or, and more gravitate to the rapper that's from your borough.

• 1:17:59Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  And, um,

• 1:18:01Bunnie XO?

  And not everybody has to like.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  Well, it's not even that. It was just, I was with Raul, so.

• 1:18:07Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  Remy was my, my go-to.

• 1:18:09Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  You know, like, that was who I knew, that's who I sang. And I, I do know that, um, Nikki for years had like these bomb ass mixtapes that even friends of mine would like, dive into and know every word. So I knew of her.

• 1:18:23Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  I just was never like really super familiar with her music because of the world that I was kind of in.

• 1:18:29Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  Um, so yeah, I didn't know the details of their relationship or that, you know, whatever, until we kind of. But anyway, I, so I.

• 1:18:39Bunnie XO?

  You guys met on the set?

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  How you say that? I wasn't put on to game of the kind of individual that was. All I knew was that he just gave me corny, he gave me player, he gave me

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  suspect, you know, like.

• 1:18:56Bunnie XO?

  It wasn't the fur coats that threw you off?

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 1:19:01Speaker 02

  I don't even think he had the fur coats when, when I kind of met him and he was kind of going at me. He had the, the fake ruby gold necklaces. And, um, I was engaged to Bow Wow the first time I ever came past with this individual. So that's how far back. We were at this strip club and they were actually filming for like this reality show at the time. And I had want to be in support of my friend Sia that was a part of it. Anywho, he was dating an associate that I knew at the time. She comes in with him and he, she introduces me to him and he literally was like, you're Erica Mena?

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  Damn, you're so beautiful in person. Wow. Why, mind you, he's with this other woman.

• 1:19:47Bunnie XO?

  Just disrespectful from the gate.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  So that to me was like my first impression of him. Like you are just disrespectful. You're thirsty. You're just not like, not that type of guy.

• 1:19:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Anywho, um, that was my first intro to him. And I, from that day, he, for like three years, this man just, when I talked to everything in his power, until finally, my publicist, he hired,

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  purposely because he knew she was my publicist. And I didn't find this out until years later, but he would offer her money just to kind of, you know, get to me. So yeah, I, I, I was, I was tracked down and he was persistent. And he did.

• 1:20:38Bunnie XO?

  You had had previous relationships on like Love and Hip Hop and stuff like that. Were you burned from like going through the situation with Sin? Going through the situation with Rich Dollars? Was it because you didn't want to have another relationship on camera in that franchise?

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  He wasn't even on Love and Hip Hop.

• 1:20:54Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  When he started kind of.

• 1:20:56Bunnie XO?

  Okay, okay, gotcha.

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  He wasn't even a part of it.

• 1:20:58Bunnie XO?

  Wow, okay.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, so yeah, this started like,

• 1:21:03Speaker 02

  when I met him, he was definitely not on it.

• 1:21:05Bunnie XO?

  Okay. Was it you that brought him in on it?

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  Was it what?

• 1:21:09Bunnie XO?

  Was it you that brought him in?

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  No, I think at one point, he just got, you know, tight on money and decided to kind of like, go after Nikki Baby.

• 1:21:22Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  Court her so he can get on it is what happened. Yeah, there's a motive.

• 1:21:27Bunnie XO?

  I stopped watching.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  Everything.

• 1:21:29Bunnie XO?

  I stopped watching Love and Hip Hop after you and Rich Dollars broke up.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:21:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I was just like.

• 1:21:34Speaker 02

  Me and Rich had a good run, I will say that.

• 1:21:37Bunnie XO?

  I thought you guys were so cute.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  I would say this, he believed in me, but he was one of those guys that he was easily influenced. Like anybody could tell him anything. So at one point, people were like telling him like, she's just using you, blah, blah, blah. Mind you, it's like. I don't have to use you. I'm talented.

• 1:21:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  You're a manager. If you're smart enough. What the fuck is in front of you and you would, you know, not think relationship and think fucking business. And I still to this day tell him that all the time. I'm like, had you not believed what the fuck people were trying to make you believe, whether it was production or like outside people.

• 1:22:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  Me and you probably could have made a killing together in the business because, like, one thing Rich at one point had was, good tactics on how to, like, he, he helped, you know, spiral Cassie's, you know, career and he's, you know, responsible for a lot of other people and he was even managing Olivia at one point. Um, but he just believed whatever the fuck people told him and it started to put a bad taste in his mouth about me. The mother got involved and, you know.

• 1:22:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:39Speaker 02

  It was just weird. It was like, you know, everyone wanted me to be this, person that was using him and it's like, um, I don't have to use you. I'm, I'm that. I'm fucking talented, whether you see it or not, like, this bitch got something going here, like.

• 1:22:54Bunnie XO?

  And, but I feel like you guys genuinely had love for each other.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  He just did a lot of shysty shit for storyline. To hurt me and like, you know, like,

• 1:23:04Bunnie XO?

  That's fucked up.

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  Like even with him teaming up with, with, with Sin, it was like you, he despised that girl and then all of a sudden, to bring me down, they both, when me and her were on the outs, it was like they got together, to kind of go at me, which, whatever, was a great storyline, but yeah. And then as far as Sin, I, what, what sucked about that is there was a lot of truth that came out, with her that Rich kind of brought on camera, but they edited it out because she was the, the one that, um, how you say, that they wanted people to feel what they feel about her.

• 1:23:40Bunnie XO?

  What do you think they feel about her?

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  Her being this innocent woman that, you know, I went after her and I took advantage of her and, you know, broke her heart. Mind you, she had a man the whole time.

• 1:23:53Bunnie XO?

  Right. Wow.

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  And I was okay with that because it was like, I, this is, this was at the time, don't judge me, but I knew she wasn't with a girl ever, but I knew I liked it, her.

• 1:24:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:24:05Bunnie XO?

  Had you been with women previous to her?

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  Okay. Yeah, I've been bisexual all my life.

• 1:24:09Bunnie XO?

  Who, who, how old were you, the first woman you got with?

• 1:24:12Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a good question. Um, I would say like seventeen was my first girl. It was a relationship. We didn't do anything, but we just like made out all the time.

• 1:24:26Bunnie XO?

  Was it like a full on relationship?

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was young though. High school, you know?

• 1:24:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, I wasn't ever sexual until later on in the years, but yeah, that was my first girlfriend. Even at the child's high school in the Bronx. Dominican girl.

• 1:24:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Bunnie XO?

  She's having flashbacks.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  I love it. So, yeah.

• 1:24:49Bunnie XO?

  So the sin, the sin situation I've always thought was a storyline. It wasn't?

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  It wasn't. I really, really liked it her, but she had a boyfriend at the time.

• 1:24:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  And I was just like, keep him, because in my mind, I'm like, he's not going to be around long. Like, I'm your first girl. Let me show you what it's like. This way you could come over here happily, freely, without, without us making a mess.

• 1:25:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  You know, like, that was kind of my take on it.

• 1:25:18Bunnie XO?

  So you were going to be Mrs. Steal Your Girl?

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  And I pretty much was, up until, you know, I don't know. It's funny, because to this day, I'm like, I did everything I could for that girl to like, set her up in the right way. You know, like, I made sure her contract was kind of okay, like they did right by her. Like, there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff that I did.

• 1:25:44Bunnie XO?

  Like you felt like you looked out for her?

• 1:25:46Speaker 02

  I was the one who like, you know, set up for us to do publications, for us to like, um, I even, you know, decided like, let's, you know, let's start some type of like T-shirt, because we, we built a fan base, you know, just overnight. And I was like, let's capitalize on this. So I used, I used my own money and started to make T-shirts with our, our pictures on it. And like, we would sell it every week. Love and Hip Hop was airing, and it was like, okay, like, let's, and my plan was, I'm going to put the money up, use this money, and we can do like a real clothing line together. You know, like, I was already kind of like setting up our, Future in a way. Like a real daddy. I mean, you guys were both two beautiful women. Yeah. And that got together on reality TV.

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I really went after her. Like, I really, really genuinely liked her. And this was in a time when people weren't having same-sex relationships on TV. So that was something new. And I think that's why, too, it resonated so loudly. Where people were, at first, at first, we got backlash because people were like, you, you shouldn't be faking. And I was like, oh, if you only knew, it's not fake. Yeah. You know, but um, yeah, I really, really liked her. It's just with her. I don't think she was come, like, she started, it was more of a insecurity of like, um, Erica and Sin. Like, she kind of felt like, you know, she wasn't the bigger, I don't know. Oh, so it became like a competition. Like, I think that's what it, where it's where it went left for her. I hate that. Honestly, genuinely, I really, really do. Hmm.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  Because it was like, Erica and Sin, Erica and Sin, Erica and Sin. And at one point, I remember we, we had an argument and she was like, why is it never said Erica? And that's when it went light bulb, oh, that's where all this is kind of coming from. Oh. And then, you know, before you knew it, it was like, she was just trying to find everything wrong with me, but it's fine. What a crazy way to look at it, though. Instead of just being like, you know what, I'll be the, you're in your masculine energy, she was in her feminine energy. I definitely was in my masculine energy. Like, yes. Like, somebody's got to be the man of the relationship, so let me lead. Exactly. But that's how I am with all my females. I tend to be the man. Yeah. So, yeah. I, I, I believe it. Yeah, I tend to be. So, um, so, yeah, that's kind of where we went left.

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  And then, before you knew it, the producers got wind of that and, and they, and they rolled with the punches of like, okay, yeah, like. The drama. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, and then, you know, it worked to her benefit because, mind you, I came on Love and Hip Hop as the villain. So, you know, people already had that mentality that, that, um.

• 1:28:17Bunnie XO?

  How do you trust people in this business when everything is a fucking storyline?

• 1:28:22Speaker 02

  It, it, once, okay, I came on, the narrative was I'm the bad guy. The audience, like, is set on that I'm, that's what they, they've been seeing all this time. That's what they were made to believe. So that's what it's been. And it's still to this day has been that.

• 1:28:36Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  That's why, you know, um, the, the, the YouTuber was able to run with.

• 1:28:44Bunnie XO?

  So back to Safari.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's why. Okay. So, and, and, and it's funny because I want people to remember that because of how I came in and that whole narrative of being the bad guy and like the crazy girl and the this and that. That has been stuck to me like glue since I started.

• 1:29:04Bunnie XO?

  Right. It's kind of like a scarlet letter.

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter what real life shit happens, whether I'm at fault or not, people want to believe that.

• 1:29:12Bunnie XO?

  So when you deal with someone. I think also though, you have always showed how strong you are, that people are like, oh, Erica will get over it. You know, and that's not fair to you. That's really not fair to you, especially when you go through and the more we uncover the la, the layers of this relationship. This is an abusive relationship that this man is creating a narrative and painting a narrative. And that's what narcissists do.

• 1:29:36Speaker 02

  Based off of my, how you call that, reputation.

• 1:29:39Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  My reality show reputation.

• 1:29:41Bunnie XO?

  Once a narcissist loses control of his supply, he controls the narrative. And that's what I've been watching happen with you guys. And you and I have been talking for months about this entire situation. And you finally have just gotten to a point where you're just like, I'm not going to keep letting this man paint me as this bad human. You know, because he did an interview with Jason Lee.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  Eight months ago.

• 1:30:03Bunnie XO?

  Can we bring that?

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  Eight months ago this year.

• 1:30:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  This very year, eight months ago.

• 1:30:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, he did this interview with.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  This is before he decided to be a YouTuber.

• 1:30:12Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:30:13Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:30:18Speaker 04

  What the?

• 1:30:20Bunnie XO?

  So they brought him a cake out and this was a divorce cake.

• 1:30:23Speaker 04

  Divorced as fuck?

• 1:30:26Bunnie XO?

  And in this divorce cake, he is talking to Erica, which I thought was so weird.

• 1:30:30Speaker 04

  Listen, I'm only blowing this because it's on fire. I'm not celebrating being divorced because I love my children's mother and my kids still, no matter what the situation may be. But um, God just keep blessing every union that I'm a part of, friends, family, everybody. You know, this cake is starting to look like a person that I can vent to.

• 1:30:56Speaker 04

  I appreciate you for where you've taken me in life. You know, we have a connection that somehow we just can't let go of and I really think you're an amazing person individually. We may not be good for each other right now, but at one point in life, we could be. And I love you, I care about you, and no matter what, I got your back. Cake is vegan too.

• 1:31:23Bunnie XO?

  Go ahead and pause it right there. So this was eight months ago.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  This was eight months ago.

• 1:31:28Bunnie XO?

  So let's circle back, you guys.

• 1:31:29Speaker 02

  This was around the time he was shooting for the Villain Show that he's on. And the whole time he was there, he was like, when I come home, I promise this time. Like, mind you, this has been a reoccurring thing.

• 1:31:46Bunnie XO?

  Right. So that's what I was gonna say. Let's paint this picture because this was eight months ago. So after he courted you for three years, you finally gave in and decided to, you know, be with this man. You guys had pretty much like a short-lived marriage, correct?

• 1:31:59Speaker 02

  Very short, yeah.

• 1:32:00Bunnie XO?

  It was, you guys got together, what, 2019?

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  We got married 2019, was together 20, we had our daughter, pandemic, you know, we were stuck together.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then 2022, we officially divorced. And a week after our divorce, this man calls me hysterically crying.

• 1:32:23Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  Claiming he wanted to hurt himself because he made the biggest mistake of his life.

• 1:32:27Bunnie XO?

  And this is all public record. You guys have had a pretty, um, I don't want to use the word sloppy, but pretty intense.

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  It was sloppy.

• 1:32:34Bunnie XO?

  Intensely sloppy divorce. And, you know, it's two people that are hurt. Obviously, you guys had a very passionate thing. You guys, you know, two beautiful babies have came from this situation, you know? And it doesn't have to be like this, you know? He seems eight months ago to be singing your praises. So can you tell us what has transpired since then?

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, a lot.

• 1:32:57Bunnie XO?

  What has, yeah.

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  I mean, there's just so much to tell because it's been three years of this, but, um,

• 1:33:07Speaker 02

  we got divorced in 2022. A week after we got divorced, he called me hysterically crying, claiming he wanted to like, hurt himself because he made the biggest mistake of his life. And I remember that day so vaguely because literally it, the way he was hysterically crying on the phone and, you know, pouring his heart out.

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  I felt like, because I'd be lying if I said, when I initially filed for divorce, that I really wanted the divorce. I didn't. I filed for divorce with the intention of him getting his shit together.

• 1:33:46Bunnie XO?

  And calling his bluff.

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:48Bunnie XO?

  What was the reasoning? What did he need to get together? What was his shit that he needed to get together?

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  Um,

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  I won't get into detail of it too much, but

• 1:34:00Speaker 02

  I found out he was cheating on me the first time ever. Um, and he was going to Chinese parlors.

• 1:34:11Speaker 02

  Not the old rub and tug.

• 1:34:13Bunnie XO?

  Damn.

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  In the dark. Old women.

• 1:34:16Bunnie XO?

  Damn it.

• 1:34:16Speaker 02

  Don't even know.

• 1:34:17Bunnie XO?

  Oh, safari, come on.

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  And when I found that out, I was completely, obviously disgusted, heartbroken, going through.

• 1:34:24Bunnie XO?

  Well, didn't Nicki Minaj say that he was paying for hookers with her credit cards?

• 1:34:28Speaker 02

  Before we get into that, can I just, because we are talking on the subject of her?

• 1:34:32Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:34:34Speaker 02

  I owe her the biggest apology ever.

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  I owe her an apology because like a lot of us women tend to do.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  When we don't know any better, especially when we're hard, deep, wraps warped into the love bombing phases.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  The red flag that us women tend to ignore when a man sits there and talks to you.

• 1:35:02Bunnie XO?

  Love bombs.

• 1:35:03Speaker 02

  About his ex and all the things he did to him.

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  And it's funny how life comes full circle because the same thing he did to her.

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  He's doing to me years later.

• 1:35:19Speaker 02

  I remember him pouring his heart out to me about all the stuff she did to him. Showing me videos of her reacting. And at the time. You're in a love bombs. I didn't think to ask, well, what did you do to her?

• 1:35:38Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:35:39Speaker 02

  You're just showing me all this stuff that he, she's doing, she's, how she's reacting, right?

• 1:35:44Bunnie XO?

  Why does this man always have videos of these women reacting?

• 1:35:47Speaker 02

  Exactly. And now, mind you, this is a video he was at one point going around, I found out later on. Um, he was going around the industry showing to like around the time he was trying to bring her down when he was lying to people saying that he wrote for her. Like literally saying whatever he could to like kind of ruin her career.

• 1:36:05Bunnie XO?

  That's terrible.

• 1:36:05Speaker 02

  And take her credibility for her real hard earned work and.

• 1:36:10Bunnie XO?

  What is the video of?

• 1:36:12Speaker 02

  She was chasing him and I won't get into too detail because I don't feel like, you know.

• 1:36:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  Being that I'm in her shoes now, I feel like she's owed the respect to like, I don't. But come to find out.

• 1:36:25Speaker 02

  He had broke the laptop that had her Pink Friday album on it.

• 1:36:31Speaker 02

  On purpose.

• 1:36:33Bunnie XO?

  And then videoed her reaction.

• 1:36:35Speaker 02

  And of course, she went fuck off.

• 1:36:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  He's recording it. So rewind, fast forward to me being with him. I'm down to the mother. Partaking and agreeing in these conversations. Oh, my God, she's the devil, blah, blah, she did all this stuff, blah, blah, blah. So anyway, I owe this woman an apology because I sat there and allowed him to

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  talk to her about, talk about her to me. And from that came me saying things and like defending and vouching for him and speaking up on her in a way that was tacky. Because at the end of the day,

• 1:37:21Speaker 02

  I didn't know the truth. Especially not the truth that I know now.

• 1:37:26Speaker 02

  And we do that. A lot of women do that. They get caught up with a man and he's so good to you. That you allow him to gossip to you about his ex.

• 1:37:37Bunnie XO?

  You get manipulated.

• 1:37:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they, and they never tell you what they did. They just tell you what they did. And how crazy she is and she did this and she did that.

• 1:37:45Bunnie XO?

  It's called reactive.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  I owe her such an apology because it's so crazy how life, it's not crazy, it's just life, but it comes full circle. Tables always turn. Everything she has ever said about him is true.

• 1:37:59Speaker 02

  Everything that she had went through with him.

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  I'm going through it worse, you know?

• 1:38:08Speaker 02

  Like you said, she definitely aired him out for paying prostitutes with her credit card.

• 1:38:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:16Speaker 02

  I think, well, first and foremost. He cheated on me going to a parlor and how I found out.

• 1:38:23Speaker 02

  Is completely embarrassing.

• 1:38:25Bunnie XO?

  How, how did you find out? But before you go into that, I just want to say, I think that is so big of you to apologize to Nikki like that.

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do. And I feel like a lot of other, I feel like anyone who, who ever sided with him during that time that they broke up. Cause he was really, like, he taunted her. So that, not too long ago, before he came at me for the YouTube, he taunted her by going to her concert.

• 1:38:51Bunnie XO?

  Can you pull that up for us? Can you put Safari at Nicki Minaj concert? Like, I think, I thought this was the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  It's weird because you're saying that you're going there to make, because you're proud of her. So why didn't you sit in a box?

• 1:39:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  Calm, cool, collective, watch the show like a normal person. No, he went there with vlogging everything.

• 1:39:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:15Speaker 02

  And then had the nerve to stand, I think, in the middle of the stairs so everybody could see he was there.

• 1:39:21Bunnie XO?

  And somebody.

• 1:39:22Speaker 02

  He went there to make a shit show fucking appearance.

• 1:39:26Bunnie XO?

  He went there to get a headline.

• 1:39:27Speaker 02

  A headline and to provoke her, knowing

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  she's moved on, she's married, she has a family. Every chance you get to talk about her, you do.

• 1:39:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:40Speaker 02

  It has not stopped.

• 1:39:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  Since you guys have broken up.

• 1:39:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:45Speaker 02

  And he does it every time for clout and attention. Him going to this concert was for one reason and one reason only. He wanted her to react in some way.

• 1:39:55Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:39:58Bunnie XO?

  We're gonna pull up the clip right now so that you guys can see it.

• 1:40:02Bunnie XO?

  Sorry, we have an ad.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  No, you're good.

• 1:40:07Bunnie XO?

  Like.

• 1:40:09Bunnie XO?

  Here it is.

• 1:40:13Speaker 02

  You're not even in a seat.

• 1:40:15Bunnie XO?

  It looks like he's in the bleachers. Where's, where's he sitting? You could definitely tell he was not a guest.

• 1:40:22Speaker 02

  Then you have, and then you have eight security, because you know you're not supposed to be there.

• 1:40:26Bunnie XO?

  Right. It's, it's weird. It's definitely, this was weird behavior.

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  And this is the thing, this is what I don't understand about people. It's like, okay, so first it was her that he taunted for, I guess, subscribes, subscribers and.

• 1:40:42Speaker 02

  Attention for his YouTube now that he's a newfound YouTuber.

• 1:40:46Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  He got the social media viral conversation that he wanted. But it wasn't enough traffic for his YouTube. So now, all of a sudden, he wants to speak up on why he's being a deadbeat.

• 1:41:03Bunnie XO?

  So how did you find out that he was going to these rub and tugs? This is where people can understand where the fuck your anger is coming from.

• 1:41:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:12Bunnie XO?

  Because that's a heavy situation while you're pregnant and to have to go and confront the man that you love.

• 1:41:20Speaker 02

  So because people are like, oh, um,

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

  well, you filed for divorce while you were pregnant. And I'm like, oh, yeah.

• 1:41:29Bunnie XO?

  Any other woman in their right mind would have filed for divorce.

• 1:41:32Speaker 02

  So that's kind of how I found out. And I kind of like went the fuck off. I remember that. I was just like, what is going on? Like, what is this like?

• 1:41:40Bunnie XO?

  So he wasn't just doing rub and tugs. He was actually having sex with these people.

• 1:41:45Speaker 02

  Clearly.

• 1:41:46Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:41:48Speaker 02

  And from what I gathered, because I did my homework, and it's funny because it's the same. A week later that he confessed this, this same rub and tug place was on the news in Atlanta for being shot up.

• 1:42:03Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so this makes perfect sense because in that Jason Lee video, uh, interview, he talks about how Atlanta was a dark place for him.

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. Probably was because he was going to these parlors and, and what I did my research, they were all old women.

• 1:42:19Bunnie XO?

  Oh, God.

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  And it's in the dark.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  So you don't even know what you're getting or what it looks like or anything. It's just in the dark.

• 1:42:28Bunnie XO?

  And that's fucking scary. That's, that's like a glory hole. Literally.

• 1:42:34Speaker 02

  So with that being said, and, and I'll take full accountability. I do have to take accountability because with him, my mind.

• 1:42:47Speaker 02

  Was not stronger than my feeling.

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  And my boundaries was absolutely not stronger than my sympathy.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  I love this man so madly that even with all the bullshit, because

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  he's been allowed to come back so many fucking times.

• 1:43:12Bunnie XO?

  You loved him more than you loved yourself.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  I wouldn't say that, but because I, see, the way I love, I love so fucking hard that

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  I'm not letting go that easily.

• 1:43:25Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  You know, and that's, that's a flaw I have. And I love the fuck out of me, but what I love, I love.

• 1:43:33Bunnie XO?

  But is that a flaw? Is it a flaw?

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  It is to a certain extent because I have to learn,

• 1:43:40Speaker 02

  which I have with him,

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  want to let go a lot sooner. You know, like, because like letting go someone you love, like the way I feel it is so, it kills me, even though I know this is not good for me, it kills me. So that's where I was at with it. And after I found out and he confessed, you know,

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  what he confessed, I remember calling his mom and confiding in her and

• 1:44:12Speaker 02

  that's kind of where our relationship went left, just because, oh, does that woman make excuses?

• 1:44:18Bunnie XO?

  Well, she's probably the reason why he is the way he is.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  It's absolutely the reason why he is the way she is.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  And I know that because, you know, with our daughter, it was during the pandemic and he would be jealous of the way I always had to breastfeed her. You know, like the baby always has to be on you, oh, she's still on you. And then just the way I'm so affectionate with my baby. Oh, no one ever hugged and kissed me like that when I was so little, little.

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  Things that he would say like that resonated with me and that's why too I I made sure to like go up and beyond. I would cook, clean and oh my God, the type of affection I would give him. There was nothing I wouldn't do for him. You know, like he he would ask me something and I there's ne- there was never a time I would say no, like, oh my God.

• 1:45:12Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  Um, so anyway, um, where was I at? Uh, we were talking about why you filed for divorce. So, yeah, I called the mother and like, you know, asked, you know, told her and she made this shit like shitload of excuses for him. Everything but taking, having her son take accountability or her even, you know, coming out to maybe speak to him in person or whatever. So anyway, I decided um, to get counseling for us and we started doing marriage counseling. And then before you knew it, um, you know, things just.

• 1:45:50Bunnie XO?

  Was the counseling working at all?

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  It was for a little bit, but then we started like doing construction on our house. And um, he didn't really know much about, so things were becoming extremely hectic. Um, and the responsibility of that, I think, you know, kind of just made him like, you know, feel extremely overwhelmed. Um, next you know, he just, the cheating just became never ending. I like, that's when he started cheating on me with the the Tumi version, Eric Amena, that he eventually brought on the show. Um, and and and and it just never stopped and it was, he didn't care if it was on the blogs.

• 1:46:33Speaker 02

  He didn't care if it was, you know, so at that point, it was just like, okay, after like the third three girl, I was just like, I'm I'm I'm gonna file for divorce. So I filed for divorce. Um, and it sucked for me because I, when I, when he confessed the whole, you know, going to the parlor thing, it.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  grossed me out. But at the same time,

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  the way he was just crying hysterically and like saying how sorry he was and that, you know, something was wrong with him. I took it as this is my husband. It's for better for worse.

• 1:47:13Speaker 02

  In marriages, shit happens. I can either run from this or I can do my job, do my part as a wife. And stick by my man and let's go through this in secret behind closed doors and deal with it. So that's what I did. I decided to still be with him even after that happened. But the cheating just didn't stop.

• 1:47:37Bunnie XO?

  It was like just one.

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  It's like.

• 1:47:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  One disrespect after the other. Oh, my God, and it just was never ending. And I was, I was pregnant with Legend and it was so bad to the point. You know, even after our house got robbed, this man was so scared to be in the house with him and his children, his wife and his children. He got a hotel and even, even later on, I found out in the divorce, he even bought another house.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  Hadn't, I had no idea. But like left me in the house that just got robbed because he was too scared to stay there. But it was good enough for me and the kids to stay there. And, you know, just taunted me when I tell you the cheating was just never ending and it was all public and, you know, and, and I'm just eating shit, eating shit, sticking by like, and going through this divorce and, and as time went on, I was just like, okay, so I didn't make the right decision. I thought

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  when I fought for divorce, he would wake up. When I fought for divorce, it got worse. He cheated on me with everybody and anybody he possibly could.

• 1:48:41Bunnie XO?

  It's just.

• 1:48:42Speaker 02

  And it's sick because these women that he was dealing with knew he was married. And it just was like, no shame.

• 1:48:48Bunnie XO?

  I feel like all of us women have been in relationships like this, that we all have one nightmare relationship where we can completely relate to you. And the anger and the just absolute like.

• 1:49:01Bunnie XO?

  Feralness that comes with after you have just been beat down emotionally, beat down verbally, beat down sometimes physically. It unleashes an animal in you that is really hard to explain unless you've been through that. And the rage that comes from that sort of thing. Because you're, one, you're embarrassed. Two, you know, it's embarrassment, humiliation. You've got these babies. You're also going through postpartum.

• 1:49:30Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, it was horrible.

• 1:49:32Bunnie XO?

  This is the lowest part of your life.

• 1:49:34Speaker 02

  It was bad. Like, I was literally ovulating at 29 weeks. I was like two centimeters open. Oh. It got so bad. One time, he had went out with one of our cast members and was just gyrating with some girl. And it was all over the blogs. I woke up one day and I just lost it. I'm like, this man literally violated me and put me in jeopardy. But he doesn't stop. And I'm pregnant and I'm like, so I saw this all over the blogs. This one particular incident. I went crazy.

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  I literally took all, because he's a materialistic person. So I already knew what to do to get back at him. And it wasn't right, but at the same time, I just lost it.

• 1:50:27Bunnie XO?

  It's called reactive abuse.

• 1:50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I lost it, put all his sneakers in a big garbage can and I just put paint on it. And it was a great little release. But even that, it was just like, it was just never ending. And he purposely just put me through hell forever. Like, it was just nonstop. At one point, I was literally, and this was all documented on Love and Hip Hop. I was literally on, like, in the hospital by myself, wired up, them keeping track of the baby because I was ovulating so early. I finally gave birth at 32 weeks and

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  Two day, three days after Legend was born, he decided to go to Jamaica with his friend's ex-girlfriend, Bouncy Killer's ex-girlfriend, out of all people, to spend his birthday.

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• 1:52:47Bunnie XO?

  This is just so hurtful and you're just lying in bed and having to watch this.

• 1:52:51Speaker 02

  And at that point, and this is the whole, and this is the stuff that mind boggles me about people. It's like, okay, you guys, how soon? Like, because people have short-term memory. It's hard to keep up. Life goes on, right? But this is the same man that's been moving like a deadbeat from the time his last born was born. Legend was still on feeding tubes in the NICU. I was having to drive an hour because where I gave birth at. The hospital was an hour away and our house was another and we had Sapphire who was just turned one. So I had to court, I had to like literally switch out days and nights all by myself. The mother didn't fly in, the sister didn't fly in.

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  It was just friends of mine and his brother at the, um, the time, his, her, his wife at the time that was helping me. My, my manager came in at one point, like just, you know, people that could help me was flying in to handle Sapphire. So that I can go to the hospital pump and just kind of be there with the baby, give him, you know, like skin to skin as much as possible. And the whole time he's in Jamaica, living his best life, gyrating his hips. Like as if he didn't just have a baby who's still in the NICU, literally. So I dealt with all of that.

• 1:54:08Bunnie XO?

  This man has no sense of responsibility whatsoever. And like, he doesn't have a heart.

• 1:54:12Speaker 02

  And this is before the whole YouTube fabricated.

• 1:54:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we're, and we're getting there.

• 1:54:18Speaker 02

  Story he put together. It's like.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  It, I think it's. It goes way even before that. Like Legend was not even out of the hospital. And it's funny because the day he left that I last saw him, he was supposed to bring up the car seat.

• 1:54:35Speaker 02

  Because you know, I just gave birth. You're not supposed to carry things heavy, whatever. He told me he was gonna go get the car seat and never came back.

• 1:54:44Speaker 02

  Never came back. It wasn't until I saw him on his Instagram in Jamaica that I even. So yeah, it, it's, it's sick. And then when I called the mama, like, I'm engorged. I have this baby here. Like tell him, come home. Like what's going on? Like, you know what she told me? To this day, I just like, I still can't wrap my head. You being a woman, okay, who claims you did it all by yourself too. You were mistreated by his dad or whatever. How you can put this together to tell a woman that your son just married?

• 1:55:27Speaker 02

  And just, she just gave birth to your grandson. She's literally.

• 1:55:33Speaker 02

  I was at my weakest point, so vulnerable, out of it. Obviously embarrassed, hurting, not only postpartum, but heartbroken because of all the shit your son's putting me through. I'm calling you to ask you to please, like, do something, get him, like, tell him to come home. You know, mind you, yeah, I did file for divorce, but still, like, these babies, they're still here. Like, yeah, we're going to- Or just have a heart. She literally told me, "Good thing you filed for divorce. You won't have to deal with him much longer."

• 1:56:09Speaker 02

  Is what she told me.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  Literally. And I just remember, because I know, obviously, being around them long enough, I know the Jamaican slang. I literally told her, I was like, "The fact that you can tell me that while your son is living his life right now as a complete wasteman, and in Jamaican culture, a wasteman is like, the bottom of the bottom, right?" Right. She didn't like the message.

• 1:56:45Speaker 02

  So, from then, our relationship just kind of has been whatever. But for her to even tell me something like that, it was just like, "Come on, woman. Obviously, you have no respect for me either, so it is what it is." And with all due respect. Yeah, and you also- You, I should have really said, "You raised a wasteman." Which I probably have at some point, because- And also, you know, it's, there's just so much here to unpack and- Oh, my God, I don't even know what, like, there's so much. It's crazy that- Like, how do we put this in soundbites so that my voice gets- We got, we got this. Because I'm like, there's just so much to unpack. There's so much pain here, and the fact that people can even look at the situation and side with this man is,

• 1:57:31Speaker 02

  it mind boggles me. Yeah, and like I said, I gotta take accountability because I just wasn't strong enough. I, this has been going on and on because I let it, I have to take accountability in that. Absolutely. To the point that he was allowed to do this. But that doesn't mean that you deserved this because- But at the same time, like, I took him back too many times to count. Right. You know, like, it's, it's just not, like, I allowed.

• 1:58:01Speaker 02

  It to be to this point. And even now, it's six. So, okay, so then, you know, that all happened. And then here we are. Legend, you know, turns one, he's nowhere to be found. But it's funny because anytime you guys have ever seen this man really be with the kids, it's because he's in the process of trying to get his family back, which means we're kind of on decent terms.

• 1:58:30Bunnie XO?

  Right. Which was this about eight months ago that this, that you guys were still on good terms when he did this?

• 1:58:35Speaker 02

  This particular podcast, yeah, he was, he had just got done filming The Villain Show.

• 1:58:39Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:58:41Speaker 02

  And the whole time he was filming, anytime he got his phone, he was FaceTiming. Sorry, he was FaceTiming me and swearing up and down, like when I come home, I swear this time is different. You know, even when he won. He was like, I won, I'm gonna use this 200K. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna buy you another ring and we're gonna do this again. And blah, blah, blah, blah. And I love you so much, E. Like, you gave me my kids, there's nothing, I'm gonna make it up to you. I'm so sorry. I swear I'm gonna prove to you. Girl, I have text messages, I have videos, I have, just like he can, like, I could too. Like, I, I wish we had time for all the messages that I, I wish you guys could read. Because this man, when I tell you, when he goes through that,

• 1:59:23Speaker 02

  that moment of like trying to get me back, the way he pours his heart out in text messages with his words and then how he does his gestures, sending flowers, buying me jewelry. Like, it's just, it's just intense. And then he'll, he'll come over to my house and, you know, won't leave. He'll act like he's coming to get the kids, but won't leave, things like that. Um, it's just, it's, it's been nonstop since the time we officially got divorced. So, we got divorced in 2022. And the week after we got divorced, he, that's when it really started. Like, he would, you know, claim how, um,

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  He wanted his family back and that he was gonna hurt himself and and this one particular call the week after we got divorced was so intense, I really believed him. That he, that I, you know. You loved him. Yeah, so. And obviously with my experience of what he did, you know, when I was pregnant, I knew he needed help. You know, and even though I should have ran, my, I loved him so much that I was just like,

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  this is just our story, like, it's this way. Toxic fairy tale. Yeah, and like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get him right, like, I'm gonna, we're gonna get this together. Especially because the way, when our love was good, it was good. Like Safari is so funny. He's charming. He's a, like, great spirit, when he's great and in that, you know what I mean? Like, that's why I was friends with him too for so long. Like, I didn't want him for so long, but then when I first, like, when I realized, like, there was, because, trust me, B, everything I could do in my power to scare this man away, I did.

• 2:01:18Speaker 02

  I remember one time I invited him to come to Cancun. I had, a friend of mine had like, bought me a trip for my birthday. And I was there by myself and I like, last minute just decided, man, let me have him come. When I tell you he came the next day, no hesitation. I was drunk, I was acting a fool. When I tell you, I literally treated this man like a peasant. Like, here, grab my bags, here, I'm drunk, carry me to the room. Like, there was nothing, like, I just abused this man. Like, I knew he liked me so much, but in, in reality, I was just like, he likes me, I'm just, I don't like him, I'm just not gonna take it serious and I'm just gonna give him a hell and nothing scared him away. And trust me, I did everything in my power to disgust him.

• 2:02:03Speaker 02

  You know, I probably even threw up that trip because I was so wasted. He, he nurtured me, like, there was no getting rid of this man. So anyway, um.

• 2:02:15Speaker 02

  Because he didn't let me or leave me alone and I know what it is like to be with him because when he's into you, he's very attentive, he goes all out, he's so romantic. The way he can text you and get your panties wet, the way he's just so romantic just in general, he's super like into you, um, he makes you feel like he is going to do anything he can to level up your life, you know, like he does what he needs to do.

• 2:02:45Bunnie XO?

  He sells you a dream.

• 2:02:46Speaker 02

  Oh my God, he can sell a fucking dream. And then because he's funny, he's charming and, and all of these things, it's kind of like it's, it's, once you're swarmed, you're swarmed by him.

• 2:02:58Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 2:02:59Speaker 02

  It's bad, like it's so bad because he has that gift.

• 2:03:04Bunnie XO?

  Uh, listen.

• 2:03:05Speaker 02

  But the gift he has and he's not using it in a, you know what I mean?

• 2:03:09Bunnie XO?

  The women that are listening to this that have been through this know exactly what you're talking about.

• 2:03:13Speaker 02

  Oh my God, he's so good.

• 2:03:14Bunnie XO?

  You're preaching to your, your crowd here.

• 2:03:17Speaker 02

  He is good, like, so it doesn't matter.

• 2:03:19Bunnie XO?

  And the sex is always fucking phenomenal.

• 2:03:21Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 2:03:23Bunnie XO?

  It's like out of this world.

• 2:03:24Speaker 02

  This man devours me and does everything in his power to please me.

• 2:03:29Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:03:30Speaker 02

  This man will literally beg for fluids of me just because he's like, I want all of you.

• 2:03:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  And as weird as it is, you see it in his eyes, you're like, okay.

• 2:03:43Bunnie XO?

  Haha.

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  And you give in and then you're like, this is the weirdest shit ever. But this is like, that's how deep he dives into you.

• 2:03:51Bunnie XO?

  It's consuming.

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  And before you know it, you're fucking consumed and because when it comes to sex, girl, he goes all the fuck out.

• 2:03:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:01Speaker 02

  Like all the fuck out to please, that man can like literally, he can turn. Probably a butch lesbian, straight, given the opportunity because he dives deep.

• 2:04:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:14Speaker 02

  And there's nothing he won't do to satisfy you.

• 2:04:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:17Speaker 02

  So with all of that, it didn't matter how much shit he did in the past. When he goes after you and when he would go after me.

• 2:04:26Bunnie XO?

  Seems his closet.

• 2:04:27Speaker 02

  All of that shit disappears and I forget about it. And I'm remembering and I'm just indulging in the now.

• 2:04:33Bunnie XO?

  It's a cycle.

• 2:04:34Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, it's a never ending cycle. And it's funny because he knows my weaknesses. He also knows, even though, I should say, even though he does everything in his power to like, please me, cater to me, shower me, he also knows how to trigger.

• 2:04:53Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:04:55Speaker 02

  And when he's bored,

• 2:04:58Speaker 02

  triggers.

• 2:05:00Speaker 02

  And that's always been.

• 2:05:02Bunnie XO?

  That he, that he.

• 2:05:03Speaker 02

  The up and down. Oh, my God.

• 2:05:15Speaker 02

  There's a lot that he does to like, trigger me and it's sick because

• 2:05:23Speaker 02

  he does it because he knows. So like,

• 2:05:28Speaker 02

  there's times where I'm just like, why are you doing this to me? Like enough is enough, like you even X, Y, and Z. Oh, I didn't do that to you. Shit like that.

• 2:05:40Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that'll drive me into a fucking blind rage.

• 2:05:43Speaker 02

  And it's like, he'll deny it.

• 2:05:47Speaker 02

  And then there's times and it's crazy because.

• 2:05:50Bunnie XO?

  Most abusers try to rewrite history.

• 2:05:53Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. So he'll do things, right? And then he'll set me off. And because, and this is really the core of it. He's the non-confrontational confrontation, confrontational person.

• 2:06:08Bunnie XO?

  Passive aggressive.

• 2:06:09Speaker 02

  He stirs up so much confrontation, but has, has this cool, laid back demeanor about it. So he'll set me off, he'll, he'll, he'll violate me and disrespect me. I'll go off and then I'm feeling sorry that I went off. When it's like, I have a right to go off, but because. He doesn't, you know, react and loves my rea- but indulges in the way I react. He won't react and go crazy, but I will. And then it's me feeling sorry and then I end up apologizing for things that I shouldn't be apologizing for.

• 2:06:50Speaker 02

  And then it's like, it's okay. I know, I know, I know you're hot headed. I know you're an emotional, um, what is this thing? I know you're very, um, you're uncont- you're, you, you don't know-

• 2:07:02Bunnie XO?

  Emotionally unstable.

• 2:07:03Speaker 02

  There you go. I know you're emotionally unstable.

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  And for a while-

• 2:07:09Bunnie XO?

  They get you so flustered too, that like you don't even know your words.

• 2:07:12Speaker 02

  Oh my god. And then for a while, it's like, is it me?

• 2:07:18Bunnie XO?

  I got into a relationship where, I was in a relationship where I had to record what he would say to me in arguments, because whenever I would react, he would say, I didn't say that. And I finally got to a point where I was like, yes, you did. And I would hit play and then have to, and then that's when, that was the, the beginning of the end, because I wouldn't let him manipulate and lie anymore.

• 2:07:39Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:07:40Bunnie XO?

  It's really sick what these, these people do.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wish I was smart enough for that.

• 2:07:44Bunnie XO?

  I just got to a point where I was like, motherfucker, I know I'm not crazy.

• 2:07:47Speaker 02

  Cause I would be like, wait, like, you, you did X, Y, and Z. This is why I'm feeling the way I'm feeling. And then he'll be like, well, you have to let it go. And at one point, no, he wanted us-

• 2:07:59Bunnie XO?

  You don't get dis- get to disrespect me.

• 2:08:01Speaker 02

  He wanted me to get back with him. Like, this man would camp out at my house and in front of my kids, beg for me back. That, to this day, my daughter's a little confused and she kind of blames me, like, like, you broke up with daddy. That's why I don't have a daddy at, in my house. And he would literally be on his knees, like, please, just take me back. Look at our kids. Look at our family. Please, I'll do whatever it takes. And then he'll go to Sapphire, Sapphire, tell mommy not to break up with me. And she'll just be there like, come on mommy, let's be, you know, like, he knows all those, like, those times in my living room, how he would literally,

• 2:08:40Speaker 02

  and, and, and it, it's sick because even in the, the video that he used on YouTube, he used with his sister being the fool to film it. There's a clip where he shows my daughter hysterically crying, how she doesn't want to come back home to my house.

• 2:08:59Speaker 02

  And it's sick because it's like, you know why she's crying.

• 2:09:03Bunnie XO?

  So can we-

• 2:09:03Speaker 02

  She knows she's not gonna see you for a long time because she's used to it already. Therefore, she doesn't wanna leave you. She's obsessed with her daddy and he does not give her an opportunity to

• 2:09:19Speaker 02

  to really have time with with him.

• 2:09:22Speaker 02

  So anyway, it's been back and forth of him just for

• 2:09:29Speaker 02

  three years of him just trying to get back with me on numerous occasions. It's it's, I will start dating, he'll get wind. And next thing you know, it's him sending me videos of him playing with himself, watching our old scenarios. And then it's the him pouring his heart out to me, I'm sorry. And it's like, you know, I'm talking to someone right now. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, I've been trying to move on with my life for a long time. But anytime he finds out that I'm like, dating someone, it's him coming back, buying jewelry, or, you know, acting like he's coming to pick up the kids.

• 2:10:13Speaker 02

  And then for him not, and then he doesn't leave, you know what I mean? Or, you know, and that's really what it comes down to now that, you know, in May of this year, I had enough. I had enough, enough, enough.

• 2:10:31Speaker 02

  I'm the reason why

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  we haven't been

• 2:10:40Speaker 02

  together in that way. Because

• 2:10:49Speaker 02

  the person that I became, okay, there's just so much to unfold with this, but.

• 2:10:56Bunnie XO?

  I think you're doing a great job.

• 2:10:58Speaker 02

  There's just so much to talk about.

• 2:11:00Bunnie XO?

  People need to hear your truth.

• 2:11:05Speaker 02

  I was on a date last year.

• 2:11:09Speaker 02

  Oh, let's talk about this. The type of shit I deal with that triggers me, let's go back to the triggering part. He was using this Miami girl character for a storyline.

• 2:11:24Speaker 02

  Which he confessed he only did because he wanted to prove to me that he didn't need me to be on Love and Hip Hop. So anyway, he decides to kind of fake like this Miami girl character that's on Miami, Love and Hip Hop Miami. And at that time, he was about six months behind purposely in paying child support.

• 2:11:48Speaker 02

  Now, mind you. I'm still on Love and Hip Hop at this point, but I have the kids. He's on Love and Hip Hop in Miami and he's only 30 minutes away. He wasn't using his weekly parenting time and he was months, at least at this time, he was like six months behind on paying child support. Anywho, I'm thugging it, I'm flying with the kids to him from Miami to Atlanta to film and, you know, kind of do my, what I'm contractually blinded to do.

• 2:12:21Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:12:22Speaker 02

  Next you know, it goes viral. He's buying this chick's kids' Rolexes.

• 2:12:31Speaker 02

  He's literally deliberately buying another man's children, Rolexes. And has this whole, they have this whole drawn out birthday party for these kids, right? Mind you, this man is six months, right, behind on child support, hasn't seen the kids, is indulging in this whole storyline that he even admitted he was just doing so that he can prove that he didn't need me to be on Love and Hip Hop in general.

• 2:12:57Bunnie XO?

  He also said that they've never even had sex, right?

• 2:13:00Speaker 02

  Girl, that whole, like, I don't know who's worse, him or her, when it comes to that whole scenario. Like, she's just as desperate as he is because I'd be damned if a man who doesn't even have real intentions for me is going to be using my kids as some, like, as some, as some...

• 2:13:18Speaker 02

  I don't even know what you call it, but it's sick on her part.

• 2:13:21Bunnie XO?

  Pawns.

• 2:13:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, like pawns. Like, as a mom, you're allowing your kid's first birthday to be a staged scenario so that it could look like this man is about you when really,

• 2:13:36Speaker 02

  in reality, isn't attracted to you. You know what I'm saying? Like, anyway. So, um, it goes viral.

• 2:13:47Speaker 02

  Of course I'm gonna say something. You haven't seen your kids in how much? And you're purposely not paying your child support on time to spite me, to financially, you know,

• 2:13:59Speaker 02

  be an asshole, is what you're trying to do.

• 2:14:01Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:14:01Speaker 02

  So things like that, he does to trigger me.

• 2:14:04Bunnie XO?

  Right. I'm just saying, I don't understand how people can't see that he's poking the bear.

• 2:14:08Speaker 02

  And even when I was pregnant, he was dating the to me version of me, right? For Valentine's Day, he fills up this girl's small little apartment with flowers, the same thing he used to do with me. Um, had,

• 2:14:22Speaker 02

  didn't bring Pampers. Like, literally, when I filed for divorce, buying Pampers, buying clothes, none of this was being done. So,

• 2:14:36Speaker 02

  when you know your kid's father financially can buy extravagant gifts for these random women after you just had two of his kids, back to back, and he doesn't even drop off a box of Pampers? Who in their right mind is not gonna put that on child support? That's the reason why Safari is on child support. Because when I filed for divorce, he never once thought for a second, let me drop off Pampers, let me see if the kids need clothes, let me, what do the kids need in general? Never, never asked what these kids needed.

• 2:15:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:15:10Speaker 02

  So I knew if it was like this already, it was gonna get worse. And it did. So therefore, when it was time to finalize our divorce, I made it mandatory that child support was implemented. My first kid father wasn't on child support, but he also did what the fuck he had to do.

• 2:15:26Bunnie XO?

  But which is not a bad thing. That's why child support is implemented in the court system.

• 2:15:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, but at the same time, if this man, fuck if we're together or not, these kids are your kids.

• 2:15:38Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:15:38Speaker 02

  If he was riding for these kids, the way he rides for whatever woman he's fucking on for the moment, we would be so good. Because regardless of what you, there are baby mamas out there that don't have to talk shit or say anything about their baby daddies. Why? Because they do what the fuck they have to do. There are baby mamas that live a good life of not having to talk ill on their baby daddies whatsoever, because these men are doing what they have to do. Not all, but a lot of them do.

• 2:16:09Bunnie XO?

  I don't consider you talking ill. You're telling the truth. So are you not allowed to speak your truth?

• 2:16:15Speaker 02

  And that's what it's been.

• 2:16:16Bunnie XO?

  To save his reputation?

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  And that's what it's been. And that's why, so like a crock of shit, how everyone's like, oh, he's been quiet for so long. He's been quiet for so long because he cannot deny anything I have said about him. Up until him randomly now having this new YouTuber found Urge, where he can edit shit that he started and stirred up, you know what I'm saying?

• 2:16:42Bunnie XO?

  And let's talk about these videos. Can we bring up these videos, Mimi, that we have of Erica climbing over the fence?

• 2:16:50Bunnie XO?

  That's my girl.

• 2:16:53Bunnie XO?

  Climbing over the fence and then also like trying to get into his house. And then the only thing I do have, didn't agree with in here, and I understand that this is where your rage is coming from, is the babies are seeing all of this.

• 2:17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that one, yes.

• 2:17:08Bunnie XO?

  So.

• 2:17:09Speaker 02

  Okay, so let's break this down.

• 2:17:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:13Bunnie XO?

  What's happening in this clip right here?

• 2:17:15Speaker 02

  Okay, so, wait, pause because I'm gonna get to that.

• 2:17:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:18Speaker 02

  Um, keep that there because I want to show you, I want to tell you, this goes, this goes along with the, um, climbing the fence. So anyway, that first initial video, um, I had went to his house to pick up the kids. I had just came back from a work trip. Um, came to pick up the kids. Um, prior to getting there, he was telling me how he finally had some money for me. Um, so, and one of the moments of him trying to get back with me, he came up with this idea of putting the kids in some type of schooling daycare, right? Um, so that we could have more time together to fix things and build on us without the kids being around.

• 2:17:59Speaker 02

  I fell for it. So, I did my homework and I ended up finding a Montessori school. Me and him went to the Montessori school, checked it out together. Um, the lady told us how much it cost. He agreed to take on that expense. Come time to pay the school, Safari had the nerve to tell me, "I paid child support, take it out of that."

• 2:18:22Speaker 02

  So here I am now, left with this newfound expense that I wasn't prepared, prepared to take on. But, this is the route you want to go? You fucking cheap motherfucker, no problem. Oh, you pay for it in child support? Mind you, uh, I'm not even gonna give you the breakdown of that, but anyway, cool.

• 2:18:42Bunnie XO?

  Please do, spare us no detail, please.

• 2:18:44Speaker 02

  So anyway, I've been taking on this new expense of the kids going to this Montessori school, um, on my own, after he told me he would take this on. Now, he did this because this is around the time, like after, when it was time for him to pay up, I wasn't trying to fuck on him. So anytime I'm not trying to fuck on him...

• 2:19:06Speaker 02

  Anything he said he was gonna do, he ain't doing. Um, him seeing the kids is not even a question. Like, if I'm not trying to fuck on him, or ignore what he did and, and kind of, you know, go with the flow and just act like we're getting back together, that's always his MO. He doesn't, he won't, he won't do anything extra outside of child support, and he's damn sure not picking up these kids. That's just what it's been from, from the jump. So, anyway, I get to the house and he's telling me, "I got a surprise for you." And I'm like, "What is it?" And he tells me he, he has the money for the school, for the school.

• 2:19:48Speaker 02

  I get there. I did take a nap. Right? I get, because I live like thirty, forty minutes away. Mind you, just like I said, I just landed. I'm exhausted, so I take a little nap. I get up, and next thing you know, he tells me he wants to talk. I'm like, "Okay, let's talk."

• 2:20:09Speaker 02

  He found out that, um, I had a guy that I was hanging out with when I was on my work trip.

• 2:20:19Speaker 02

  So, his initial was like, "Oh, so this is what we're doing? Like, I'm over here with the kids and I'm trying to make things better and, and I'm just like, "The call is coming from inside the house, Safari."

• 2:20:37Speaker 02

  So, anyway, I'm like, "So, how does it feel?" I'm like, "Leave me alone." So, anyway, it's, he starts to get in his feelings, and then he goes, "You know what? Why don't you ask him to give you the money? I was gonna give you the money." Oh, God. That started the argument. And then from there, him saying other nasty shit. So, that initial

• 2:21:02Speaker 02

  Sadly, whatever was

• 2:21:04Bunnie XO?

  And they just happened to be recording at this moment.

• 2:21:07Speaker 02

  Well, he has cameras in his house.

• 2:21:08Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 2:21:08Speaker 02

  What are the coincidence that now he wants to fuck with me and provoke me while I'm at his house, right?

• 2:21:13Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:21:13Speaker 02

  So, he starts to, you know, say how he's not paying for it. And at that point, I'm not gonna lie. I was set off because I'm carrying this expense that I did not inquire. Now, mind you, this was, that was this year. That was in May. The first one where shit is going down, that was in May.

• 2:21:34Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:21:34Speaker 02

  Okay? Um, I got fired from Love and Hip Hop because he started a fabricated nasty story and was gossiping to me about another cast member. Me and that cast member got into it. I said something that, you know,

• 2:21:54Speaker 02

  she, she went low, I went to hell. And for that, I lost my job. So he is the reason, the big reason why I lost my job. But anyway, this is that, this is that year. This is this year.

• 2:22:07Bunnie XO?

  You're also carrying years of just hurt.

• 2:22:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but my whole thing is, you know I just lost my job.

• 2:22:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:14Speaker 02

  One of my main incomes. You owe me this money because you're the one that wanted to put them into this facility.

• 2:22:23Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:22:24Speaker 02

  You literally are in your feelings every time I don't wanna fuck on you. So you refuse to give me the money that you said you would pay for these kids. So now I'm taking on an expense that I did not originally, I wasn't prepared for. And I just lost my job because of you. Now here I am at the house to pick up the kids. You get when I'm talking to someone or I was with someone the night before. Now you're saying you're not giving me the money you owe me.

• 2:22:52Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:22:53Speaker 02

  I'm off.

• 2:22:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:54Speaker 02

  I am ticked off. So I'm telling him, I'm like, explain to me, what's go, like, explain to me why you're not gonna give me this money. You're the reason why, da-da-da. So I want answers. He's mister not confrontation, confrontation. He knew telling me that he wasn't gonna give me that money was gonna set me off. He knew that.

• 2:23:13Bunnie XO?

  And then for the

• 2:23:14Speaker 02

  And it did. So what did he do? He was gonna call the cops on me.

• 2:23:20Speaker 02

  So what you see there is me, first of all, I'm pissed off. You owe me that money. You owe me that money. Like a couple, like a good 10 bands that you owe me, okay? He still owes me that money to this day. But anyway. Um, and it's even more now because it's been that long. So you tell me you're gonna pay me this money. Mind you, this man has no problem buying himself jewelry. This man has no problem buying random women that he's sleeping with jewelry.

• 2:23:49Bunnie XO?

  He just bought Selena Powell jewelry.

• 2:23:51Speaker 02

  Did he?

• 2:23:52Bunnie XO?

  On his YouTube. I just saw, I mean, I didn't watch the video because I wasn't giving him the views, but that's the title of his. She said, let me not, let me not set you.

• 2:24:00Speaker 02

  No, I don't even care. I mean, at this point, I'm so used to it.

• 2:24:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:03Speaker 02

  Like just a couple of months ago, he gifted the Miami girl a necklace and I only seen that because that was viral.

• 2:24:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:24:10Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's sick. It's like, so this particular video, like I said, he taunted me with this money, then says he's not gonna pay for it. Then I'm asking him to explain to him, explain to me why. He starts to, you know, call the cops. I'm just over it, B. And yes, that was completely wrong of me and I take accountability for that. And that's the first and only time that has ever happened in front of my kids, which is why my kids literally followed me out.

• 2:24:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:47Speaker 02

  They're, they're not scared of me. They've never seen me ever act like that in front of them, ever. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. It's never been that way. And how he's trying to make it seem like this hap- never. You can, my kids are proof that they have never been around that and then in any kind of way.

• 2:25:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:25:10Speaker 02

  You know? Did I lose my shit? Absolutely. Because enough is enough. You're literally, you, you're the reason why I lost my job. And here you are owing me all this money for something you.

• 2:25:23Speaker 02

  You inquired about and you like this was your idea to put them into the school. You said you were gonna pay for it and because I'm not fucking on you the way and and going about things the way you want it to be now you don't want to pay what you said you were gonna pay.

• 2:25:36Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:25:37Speaker 02

  So it set me the fuck off and then him having the nerve now you want to call the cops on me? You want to call the cops on me and I have a video where I'm filming him myself. So what you see there is I'm not trying to I'm not putting my hands on I'm trying to get the phone from him so I could speak to the cops myself. Cause at that point enough is enough.

• 2:25:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:59Speaker 02

  Enough is enough but you know what's so crazy and sick about it all is a week after that happened guess who's calling me again begging to be back with me and once again sending me videos of him playing with himself watching videos of us that he has. How much he misses me and he and so a week after that happened the sick bastard was back trying to get back with me.

• 2:26:25Bunnie XO?

  What is it with him whacking off on videos?

• 2:26:27Speaker 02

  He if you if you've ever dealt with this man.

• 2:26:31Bunnie XO?

  I don't think I would want to.

• 2:26:32Speaker 02

  Any kind of way every girl that's ever dealt with him gets those videos it's and I know that because on Love and Hip Hop Miami I seen a clip one time the girl is outing him in front of the chick.

• 2:26:42Bunnie XO?

  Oh no.

• 2:26:43Speaker 02

  Talking about he sent me this video of him jerking himself and I'm like.

• 2:26:47Bunnie XO?

  He's just a whack a mole.

• 2:26:49Speaker 02

  He literally just he loves video he loves he loves himself.

• 2:26:54Bunnie XO?

  He loves recording himself oiled up.

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:27:01Bunnie XO?

  The visual.

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  He's oiled up.

• 2:27:04Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 2:27:05Speaker 02

  Abs out.

• 2:27:06Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 2:27:06Speaker 02

  And for days it's his thing so any woman and I know any woman that's ever dealt with him.

• 2:27:13Bunnie XO?

  Is does he have the fur coat on that's all I want to know in any of them.

• 2:27:17Speaker 02

  I've never received them with fur coats but maybe another woman has but that's just his MO but with me in particular it would be his laptop open with videos of me that I've even sent him in the past you know cause he's like he's one of those people like loves my tits so it's like send me a video with your tits and your tongue out.

• 2:27:35Bunnie XO?

  Imagine how many other girls videos he has like that.

• 2:27:38Speaker 02

  Oh, I know. First of all, he has cameras all over his house so that any woman he sleeps with now, he has on camera.

• 2:27:44Bunnie XO?

  Oh, gosh.

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  It's just an automatic MO.

• 2:27:47Bunnie XO?

  Isn't that like a, that's a charge, isn't it?

• 2:27:49Speaker 02

  I mean, I'm, well, if you ever go to his house and you're busting it open, just know there's cameras. I mean, he can legally have cameras in his house.

• 2:27:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 2:27:58Speaker 02

  So that's how he probably gets away with it, but, um, I mean, there's even been times. Yeah, oiled up.

• 2:28:05Bunnie XO?

  Oiled up, stroking it.

• 2:28:06Speaker 02

  A week later, mind you, I'm on vacation, I'm in Tulum, living my best life, and I fall for it again.

• 2:28:13Bunnie XO?

  Erica, what the fuck? Okay, listen, I could blame him for some stuff, but now I'm gonna start holding you accountable, baby.

• 2:28:19Speaker 02

  It's, it's, he is so good.

• 2:28:23Bunnie XO?

  This man has got you fired from your jobs. He has made you look like a fucking fool numerous times. What, and you just keep going back?

• 2:28:33Speaker 02

  Cause it's the way he pours his heart out, and it's like, even though you know, at this point, I know he has no heart, and it's still, you know what it is too? It's like, I didn't have these kids to be by myself. I've already been down that road.

• 2:28:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:46Speaker 02

  So I think for a while up until May, where I got, and I'll get into that, where I actually was just like, enough is enough.

• 2:28:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:55Speaker 02

  Um,

• 2:28:58Speaker 02

  I still had hope that he would just get his shit together.

• 2:29:01Bunnie XO?

  That he would change. You thought he could change.

• 2:29:03Speaker 02

  That he would change.

• 2:29:04Bunnie XO?

  I get that. All of us women get that.

• 2:29:06Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, it's like, like, we are so, like, our connection, look what he was, he was talking to a fucking cake.

• 2:29:15Speaker 02

  Claiming that our connection was that, cause it is, it was, it was that deep. You know what I'm saying? Like, when a man devours you and your fluids and everything that comes with you, it's like, how can you not believe it? I don't see this man do and drink and everything of me. How can I not believe him? Right? Is that TMI?

• 2:29:39Bunnie XO?

  You genuinely love him.

• 2:29:40Speaker 02

  I did. I did.

• 2:29:43Bunnie XO?

  Are you, are you still, are you still in love with Safari?

• 2:29:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:29:47Bunnie XO?

  Do you have love for him?

• 2:29:49Speaker 02

  I just, okay.

• 2:29:54Speaker 02

  I don't have love for him anymore, and here's why. In May, after that whole thing happened, a week goes by. He's coming back. I came back from Tulum. And I indulge in him. And this is all in May now.

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  Two days later, I get a call from one of his friends. Well, actually a DM. And they asked me to call them. And it's actually a friend that he hangs out with to this day in Florida. And

• 2:30:35Speaker 02

  they called me with

• 2:30:38Speaker 02

  pure intentions. And I say this because this person is very close to him now, and this person is a stand-up guy. Doesn't get into the mess.

• 2:30:57Speaker 02

  But he's a good guy. You can tell because of the way he moves, how he is with his own family, so on and so forth. And he reached out to me and said, "Listen, I think it's fair that you know because I don't think it's fair what is being done." And I'm like, "What's going on?"

• 2:31:14Bunnie XO?

  Lord.

• 2:31:18Speaker 02

  "I know he's been trying to get back with you, and he's been telling me that this time is for real." And that he really, and I've been vouching for him, like with it. Like, I think he should make things right for him.

• 2:31:33Speaker 02

  "But now I'm getting nervous, and I feel like you should know before you get caught up again." And I'm like, "Getting nervous about what?" So apparently, he started bragging to this particular friend that he met this 20-year-old girl that he's very interested in because, quote-unquote, "She doesn't know who he is." And that because she's not in the industry, it will be easy for him to kind of tell her what he wants her to know and still be able to do what he wants to do.

• 2:32:08Speaker 02

  And Bunny?

• 2:32:12Speaker 02

  I instantly became so disgusted.

• 2:32:18Speaker 02

  It was the reality check that I needed after all this time. And what's so sick about it is that no matter, after everything this fucking man put me through,

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  it was the fact that I am now being informed

• 2:32:37Speaker 02

  that this man is now going after girls that are the same age as his niece, his baby niece.

• 2:32:45Bunnie XO?

  And he's in his 40s.

• 2:32:46Speaker 02

  You are a 43-year-old man, and now you're going after this 20-year-old girl because you know she doesn't know no better? And because what? You can now manipulate her because she's not in the industry? So what? That means you could tell her, whatever it is you want to tell her, she'll believe you, and she'll play her position if she's into you enough, or if you

• 2:33:12Speaker 02

  love-bomb her enough, and you could still do what you have to do. So that means, basically, you're here trying to quote-unquote,

• 2:33:23Speaker 02

  every other week, trying to get your family back, but you also

• 2:33:29Speaker 02

  now have this agenda to go after a girl that doesn't know no better? A 20-year-old girl? You know what that means? That means, look what he did to me, and I'm in my 30s. I can't even imagine what he's about to do to a girl that's in her 20s that doesn't know any better.

• 2:33:47Speaker 02

  Right then and there, I got sick to my stomach and I realized

• 2:33:52Speaker 02

  that the person

• 2:33:56Speaker 02

  that I am, that I became in that very moment has to change everything moving forward. Like, I'm the change. Like, I am the one that's, like, in order for this, because there's no changing him. All he's going to do is break me apart, keep setting me off, using the fact that I love him to the core to chip away at me, to make me feel like there's something wrong with me every chance he gets. And that-

• 2:34:30Speaker 02

  All he cares about is his next victim. And now, there's no limits. Because now you're going after a girl that just started life. She has no idea, at 20 years old, she has no idea what your kind is. And I just became sick because it was like, he has a niece that he has been around for. You know, a baby niece that is the same age as this girl that now he was bragging that he's gonna be pursuing.

• 2:35:08Speaker 02

  And that's when I realized, I'm like,

• 2:35:11Speaker 02

  this is first, not gonna get any better, two, he does need help. And the help that he needs, I'm not sticking around. I have to help myself now to get over this and do what I have to do for these two babies. On top of that, I have a daughter. So does he. You know what it made me think about? Like, imagine some guy going after my daughter at 20 years old because she's not in the industry and she won't know any better. So this friend actually saved my life.

• 2:35:46Bunnie XO?

  Shoutouts to the homie.

• 2:35:47Speaker 02

  Shoutouts to the homie, and he still rolls with him to this day. This is the first time, I'm sorry if, I try to be selective in my words so he won't know who you are, but he put me on to game. He's like, he's going after this 20-year-old girl. And it's funny because not too long ago, I was tagged in a blog where you see him pulling this young girl that looks like she's 15.

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  It could be the 20-year-old, I'm guessing it is. Because that was in May, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December. Yeah, it probably is her. Um, but she looks like a child.

• 2:36:29Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 2:36:30Speaker 02

  A child. And in my mind, I'm like, not only is this pervert, like you're perverted, you're fucking sick.

• 2:36:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, I think that might.

• 2:36:38Speaker 02

  You have time. Yeah, it's like.

• 2:36:39Bunnie XO?

  That might trigger your childhood trauma also because.

• 2:36:42Speaker 02

  That might have been what fucking.

• 2:36:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, what happened to you.

• 2:36:46Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. When I tell you, I just got instantly gross.

• 2:36:50Bunnie XO?

  I can't handle when.

• 2:36:51Speaker 02

  Out.

• 2:36:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, when men are tricks or like, and I'm not saying that he's tricking off on her, but that's my thing.

• 2:36:56Speaker 02

  Oh, girl.

• 2:36:57Bunnie XO?

  I'm sure he's tricking off on her. Ever tricked off on a girl and like if they're young and it's like, that's such a weird thing.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  Well, it's funny you say the trick off part because this same friend told me how he, he, cause I was just like, this is insane. I was on the phone with him for like an hour and I'm like, you know what's so sad is like, he runs through these women. And every time he gets a wo- a woman, he like buys them jewelry, right? Like that's his thing, right? I'm like, he's never bought his own daughter a pair of earrings.

• 2:37:24Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  A pair, the diamond earrings, my daughter, and he's Mr. Jewelry connoisseur. My son doesn't have a chain on his neck from his daddy. My daughter doesn't even have a pair of earrings on her, in her ears from her daddy.

• 2:37:35Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 2:37:36Speaker 02

  But yet, apparently he bought that girl a pair of diamond earrings claiming that she brings him more peace than his daughter does, which is fucking weird.

• 2:37:48Bunnie XO?

  What?

• 2:37:49Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:37:49Bunnie XO?

  He's quoted saying that?

• 2:37:51Speaker 02

  The, the friend told me this.

• 2:37:52Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 2:37:53Speaker 02

  Cause I was like, why is it that he, every time he finds a new broad, he, he gets them ju- like, what is the tricking on the broad or someone else's kids? Like, what is that? He's just like, I don't know, but what he said, he said to me not too long ago that he had a pair of earrings for Sapphire, but he ended up giving it to the girl because she brings him more peace. And I'm just like, this is just, it's Twilight Zone. Like, people will never believe me. But being that this person wants to paint this narrative so it can deadbeat in peace, this is why I'm like, I'm like, fuck it. Um, let's just talk about it.

• 2:38:26Bunnie XO?

  Well, this man is really, um. A menace to society.

• 2:38:31Speaker 02

  Sick.

• 2:38:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like he's genuinely not a good human. Like, that's a bad spirit.

• 2:38:37Speaker 02

  Sick.

• 2:38:37Bunnie XO?

  To hurt somebody like this and his own children. Let's talk about the situation with you climbing the ladder.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:38:44Bunnie XO?

  Because when you told me this story, it made complete sense to me. I was like, absolutely, I would have done the same fucking thing.

• 2:38:51Speaker 02

  So, okay, I'm gonna tell you the story and then I want you to go to me hopping the ladder. And then I want you to come back to this if you can.

• 2:38:58Bunnie XO?

  Okay?

• 2:38:59Speaker 02

  So, I had a night out off. He has the kids. I'm in Carbone with this football player that I was dating.

• 2:39:15Speaker 02

  Mind you, this ladder thing was done last year. The other, the first one where I'm going crazy because of the schooling stuff, that was done this year. That was in May, early May. This right here is last year.

• 2:39:31Speaker 02

  He's on loving hip hop, so-called going after another woman, right?

• 2:39:41Speaker 02

  I'm living my life. I start dating this football player, really into him at the time. He comes to town just to take me to Carbone. And I go.

• 2:39:56Bunnie XO?

  As you should.

• 2:39:57Speaker 02

  Right. Now, obviously, I know this information later on, this particular information, but he got wind. Someone at Carbone that knows him tells him, I'm at Carbone.

• 2:40:08Bunnie XO?

  Does he have a tracker on you?

• 2:40:10Speaker 02

  No, but he knows a lot of people.

• 2:40:11Bunnie XO?

  Okay. Because I feel like he just knows everything.

• 2:40:14Speaker 02

  So, like, in Atlanta,

• 2:40:18Speaker 02

  he got wind because of someone from production. Because I brought the guy, like, it was, like, after set, I kind of left with the guy. So, anyway, this particular time, I'm at Carbone, I'm leaving. He gets wind from someone that was there, that I was there. Now, I get dropped off at home. And I just started dating this guy, so I wasn't going home with him, but, you know, that's my business. I get home, like, maybe one something in the morning. I jump in the shower, I'm getting ready for bed, no kids. I get a call from him.

• 2:40:59Speaker 02

  Legend just fell off the bed and he's bleeding. Wait, what? Yeah, he fell off the bed and he's bleeding. Bleeding from where? Now, I know the kids have a bunk bed in his house, but I know he doesn't use the top bunk. So in my head, I'm like, how did he fall? I'm like trying to figure out like, so I'm like, where's he bleeding from? He goes, I don't know. I don't know. I'll call you right back.

• 2:41:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:41:25Speaker 02

  10 minutes go by. He doesn't call me back. So as a mother, I'm like, I start calling him. What the fuck's going on? Is he okay? At least, at least tell me he's okay. He doesn't pick up. I called him numerous times back to back to back. It's not picking up. So at that point, I'm like, I'll just go over there. Like, what the fuck? Like, I'm just gonna go over there. So I drive over there. Now, mind you, he lives in a gated community. You cannot get into this community unless you're let in by the residents. They let me in.

• 2:41:58Speaker 02

  Okay? I get to the door and as you can see, I have pajamas on.

• 2:42:03Speaker 02

  I was about to go to bed. I have my sports bra. I put some biker shorts on, you know, whatever. Like, I was literally about to call it a night.

• 2:42:11Speaker 02

  I get to the door. I'm ringing the bell.

• 2:42:16Speaker 02

  No one answers. He has a transparent kind of door. I see him walking back and forth, like he's looking, right?

• 2:42:27Speaker 02

  Doesn't answer the door. So at that point, I'm like, this is fucking crazy. I'm, I'm like, all the things that are going in my mind, I'm like, this motherfucker sees him at the door? Now, I know so far he has glass. All his backyard is all glass. So I'm like, I'm gonna go to the back to look through and see what the fuck's going on.

• 2:42:48Speaker 02

  That, that gate was locked.

• 2:42:51Speaker 02

  He just so happened to be getting work done on his house at this time. This was last year.

• 2:42:57Bunnie XO?

  The convenience of the ladder.

• 2:42:59Speaker 02

  The ladder was literally there waiting for me.

• 2:43:03Bunnie XO?

  It said, climb me.

• 2:43:05Speaker 02

  Like the fact that people think I drove a ladder, I rode with a ladder. Cause I like, I'm not gonna lie, the comments, I'm just like, are people this stupid?

• 2:43:15Bunnie XO?

  But they are. Common sense is not so common.

• 2:43:16Speaker 02

  He was actually getting work done on his house.

• 2:43:19Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:43:19Speaker 02

  So the ladder was there, there was fucking tools there. The ladder was there. The, the gate was locked. This motherfucker, after calling to tell me my son fell from the bed.

• 2:43:32Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:43:32Speaker 02

  And is bleeding, is not answering the door. Mind you, he let me into the community. So at that point, I'm just like, what the fuck is going on?

• 2:43:42Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:43:42Speaker 02

  Why is he, but I see him walking back and forth and at that point, as much as I probably should have known, this motherfucker was playing with me, I wasn't. I was just more concerned at what the fuck's going on. Why is he saying my kid?

• 2:43:55Bunnie XO?

  Mama bear.

• 2:43:56Speaker 02

  So the ladder was there. I used the ladder to hop the fence.

• 2:44:03Bunnie XO?

  I did. That's a fucking G move. That's a G move, right? Like I would do the same thing. You tell my kid.

• 2:44:08Speaker 02

  Now go to the part that I told you before, the other second part. I get to the back. If, can you zoom into my face?

• 2:44:18Speaker 02

  I am concerned. I am confused. I am trying to figure out what the fuck is going on.

• 2:44:25Bunnie XO?

  This is you knocking on the door, right?

• 2:44:26Speaker 02

  This is me knocking. He's trying to, and it's funny because he's been circulating, like Joe Budden even mentioned this video on his podcast. Safari's been sending people this video since it happened, joking about it in the sense, and mind you, everyone he has sent this video to, but prior to him doing this YouTube, has gotten a different story on why.

• 2:44:49Bunnie XO?

  But I mean, it's the Nicki Minaj thing.

• 2:44:51Speaker 02

  One, exactly. One person he told I was trying, I think he even said in this video that I was trying to break into his house.

• 2:44:58Bunnie XO?

  I think.

• 2:44:58Speaker 02

  Right? He said he was trying, mind you, if someone is breaking into your house, why wouldn't you call the cops?

• 2:45:03Bunnie XO?

  Well, why would you let them in from your gate, guarded gated community? You know, like this.

• 2:45:10Speaker 02

  Look at my face. Can you zoom in anymore?

• 2:45:16Speaker 02

  I am stressed, I'm concerned, I am not mad, I am not raging. I am trying, I am confused and concerned and that is clearly written all over my fucking face. My eyebrow is literally touching my fucking hairline.

• 2:45:32Speaker 02

  Can you believe this bastard comes to the door finally? Literally, you're crazy, you really came here? And laughing at me. Laughing at me, you're crazy. You really came here? That's the stuff I was talking about like triggering.

• 2:45:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. That would set me off, I'd have been like, you just called me and said our son split his head open and is bleeding like what do and didn't answer the phone, I thought he was going to the hospital.

• 2:46:03Speaker 02

  Purposely didn't answer the phone because he knows my mind starts, first of all, my kid, he knew exactly what to say. I really now know, he got wind I was at Cartbone, wanted to fuck up my night so I couldn't get none, which is probably what he was thinking, which is why he waited to call me at the time he called me. Thinking I was probably laid up with the dude and decided to tell me that, then knew telling me that will have my mind going, which is why he didn't pick up. Then he obviously gets alerted by his gate that I'm at the gate. Oh, I got her, she's here now, fucked up her night. Purposely didn't let me into the gate because he wanted me to lose my shit.

• 2:46:46Bunnie XO?

  The gate of his house. The gate of his house.

• 2:46:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, they let me into the gate, they called him to let me into the, you cannot go into this man's residence without being let in by the guard gate. He is in a gated community, you cannot go into this man's gate unless he lets you in. Okay, so now here we are, May, I find out about the 20 year old girl.

• 2:47:07Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:47:07Speaker 02

  Okay?

• 2:47:09Speaker 02

  He calls me, now I'm not letting him know what I know. I just told him basically enough is enough. Like, I can't do this, you're a pervert. I was kinda like telling him without telling him. I was even, I was calling him all the P words in the book. Like, clearly you're a pervert, clearly you're this. And you, you got weird fucking, you got more, you got more issues than, you got sex, you got, you're a sex addict first and foremost. You are a pervert. Um, you literally do nothing but manipulate and fuck with me. You fucking toy with the fact that I love you. And you beg me to be with you every fucking chance you get. Then you bounce around from woman to woman. You know what I mean? Like, you disregard these kids when I'm not fucking on you.

• 2:47:54Speaker 02

  You, you purposely try to um make financial fucking uh uh burdens for me. By not helping me outside of the little bit of money you do pay. Because honestly, his child support is calculated off of if he was taking his kids once a week the way he's supposed to. He's not. My childcare just to work, which is why sometimes I bring them, or a lot of times I bring my kids to set and I still have to pay. But it's not as much because I'm kinda still there. When I, if I have to leave, let's say to do a movie, like doing stepmother was two weeks. One of the, one of the, cause we break it down, two weeks. Can you imagine leaving your kids for two weeks, two kids, what that childcare costs? Around the clock? It's a lot of money.

• 2:48:38Speaker 02

  So you purposely, and then what we do for a living? I have to, and even with flying with the kids, I gotta pay for my flight, their flight, you know, the food. Um, I gotta make them come, get a hotel that is, you know, accommodating for kids that, you know, you can't do no cheap shit. You know, I'm not saying that I would, but you gotta get a, a place to stay that's accommodating to your kids, big enough space. All of that shit costs.

• 2:49:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:02Speaker 02

  All of that shit costs. And then on set, even with me being on set, I have to pay for someone. So anyway, for what I do for a living, what he does for a living, he knows that. It adds up. So.

• 2:49:13Speaker 02

  I had this conversation with him. I'm like, you know what the fuck you're doing. I can't do it. You're a P. You're a pervert. You're sick in the head. You, you know, he, and I'm sure with our last conversation, he got the memo. He will never be able to fuck on me or with me again.

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• 2:51:40Speaker 02

  And in that conversation, I even brought up, I'm like, I'm so sick of the fact that you pick and choose when to be a father and the fact that your family doesn't even try to do their part when it comes to these kids. You know what the hell this man said? How could they when you're their mother?

• 2:52:00Speaker 02

  Funny, that set me off right then and there that I literally went into my phone,

• 2:52:06Speaker 02

  found his mother's number, and he talks about that in the YouTube too as well.

• 2:52:12Speaker 02

  And I sent her a message with proof of him in my home that very week.

• 2:52:22Speaker 02

  Because remember, I told you that whole incident that we went, I went off on him because of the school stuff and I broke shit in his house. Like, I just had enough. I was just like, whatever. That was in May, right? Couple of days later, the homie called me. No, sorry. That was in May. That happened. A week later, we're back to whatever, right? Because he was sending me all the messages. I got back, whoops, warped back in, right? Two days later, after me being swerved in, after a week of that happening, we get together. I'm swerved back in. Two days later, the homie calls me with that bit of information about him dating a 20-year-old girl that he's bragging, uh-huh, he's so excited because she's not in the industry and she doesn't know any better. And he can kind of tell her what he needs to

• 2:53:07Speaker 02

  tell her and still do what he needs to do. That's literally his words. I could tell her what I need to tell her and still do what I need to do. Him telling me, how can his family do their part for my kids because I'm their mother? I knew right then and there, even though I always knew. It just was like a real, like, confirmation. He's playing two sides. Absolutely. He's kissing and trying to fuck on me and get back with me, quote unquote. But telling his mama something else. Oh, yeah. So I text his mother, quote unquote. I figured, since I know your son is such a liar and since he knows, and since I know he

• 2:53:46Speaker 02

  lies on me all the time to you and your daughter, just figure I informed you of him being up in my house last week. Isn't it ironic how he paints me out to be such a hateful monster, but yet won't leave me alone?

• 2:54:01Speaker 02

  And in that, I show video of him in my home camera. Which you've never gone on YouTube and posted these. This is what he, but he discusses how I just respected his mother and sent her inappropriate photos of him. Nobody, I sent her proof where you be at. Okay?

• 2:54:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:21Speaker 02

  Because you lie to her and say one thing, and it's crazy because the mother is the enabler and the sister's the cheerleader.

• 2:54:27Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:54:27Speaker 02

  So really, it's like what I did was,

• 2:54:32Speaker 02

  I opened up the floodgates to the truth on the lies you're telling them.

• 2:54:37Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:54:39Speaker 02

  So I clarified things because you're, you're, you're painting this to be one way with them. But yeah, you're really consistently, since we got divorced, every single other week, you're begging, trying to get back with me. Eight months ago, you just went on a, you went on and did a whole interview. Not only did you praise me as a mother, but you were literally said you wanted to eventually, publicly that you see us being back together and the right time and all this shit and all of that. Now, all of a sudden, you didn't get enough excitement with your, you know, taunting your ex at her concert. What's up next? Now you all of a sudden want to tell the, your truth?

• 2:55:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:22Speaker 02

  Your truth on why you're being a baby daddy? Isn't it convenient? I, I just find it that like, oh, now all of a sudden it's convenient for you to speak on all the truth I've been telling.

• 2:55:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:32Speaker 02

  So you took your time to edit this 30 minute video using video, videos of me.

• 2:55:41Bunnie XO?

  From separate occasions too.

• 2:55:43Speaker 02

  From separate occasions.

• 2:55:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:45Speaker 02

  Not telling the truth behind what led to this and why this was that.

• 2:55:51Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:55:51Speaker 02

  Just so you can deadbeat in peace. And that's his agenda. Because now that he's a YouTuber. And he can't fuck on me anymore. He takes that out on me by not coming around for the kids. And what happens if you're YouTubeing every day? People are gonna start inquiring why your kids are never with you, right?

• 2:56:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, does nobody, can nobody like put the pieces together? Like it, it makes me sad, like these blogs, like even when I was doing research for this podcast, a lot of these blogs like side with him and like, oh, it makes perfect sense. And Erica, and I'm just like,

• 2:56:26Speaker 02

  And you know why?

• 2:56:26Bunnie XO?

  Can people not see what's happening?

• 2:56:28Speaker 02

  He, this is what he's doing. He's using my reputation to now paint this picture on why he chooses to be a deadbeat.

• 2:56:37Bunnie XO?

  But I think that your actions, even after he dropped these, you did it so G dude. And like normally you would have flown off the handle and like gone to defend yourself. And this time you were just like, you know what?

• 2:56:49Speaker 02

  Do you? You know why? Cause I knew the time would come where I can actually speak on it. And I knew I would do it before the year was out. I just, I sat with it with God and I was just like,

• 2:57:00Speaker 02

  I need to tell my truth and I know you know, I need to tell my truth because of who I am.

• 2:57:06Speaker 02

  And because this narrative being so false could be damaging to my future, my career. You know what I'm saying? So I sat with it with God and I was just like, I'm not gonna speak on anything. I did a little bit, but then I was just like, there's so much to unpack with this that doing it off of, like it's not gonna make sense.

• 2:57:28Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 2:57:29Speaker 02

  So, and, and literally like you DM'd me and it was just, oh God, no, for real. It was like, okay, this is what I'm gonna do. This, this is it. Because I can sit with a credible woman that's been through it, that understands what's up.

• 2:57:45Bunnie XO?

  A lot of women have been through this.

• 2:57:47Speaker 02

  And your podcast.

• 2:57:51Speaker 02

  resonates to an audience that isn't fucking

• 2:57:58Bunnie XO?

  a male dominated hip hop scene.

• 2:58:00Speaker 02

  That but it's like your viewers and like the people who tune into you aren't fucking stupid and I know that because of the shit you talk about.

• 2:58:09Bunnie XO?

  They're so compassionate.

• 2:58:10Speaker 02

  And the way your podcast has been able to expand and grow the way it's obvious because the people are tuning in. Everything you speak on and how you speak and it resonates, it's credible, it's it's real shit.

• 2:58:28Bunnie XO?

  I'm just a place for people to come and tell their truth with no judgment and with people I'm so blessed to have a following that these women are gonna just wrap themselves, they're gonna wrap their arms around you like

• 2:58:40Speaker 02

  and it's really, it's really about like

• 2:58:42Bunnie XO?

  fucked up shit like this.

• 2:58:43Speaker 02

  It's like, I'm not saying I'm perfect. I would take full accountability. I'm fucking, you know, this man has been able to trigger me. This man has been able to break me, this man, and I take full accountability because no matter how much he's violated, disrespected me, embarrassed me, he's left me for dead from the time my son was born till now. I still took him back so many times. I engaged in sexual acts. I, I accepted the gifts. I believed him because I was desperate in sense of I wanted still the idea of my kids to have a two parent household. But this is where I want people to, to kind of come together and put two and two together and realize what the fuck.

• 2:59:25Speaker 02

  If I wasn't allowing this man to see his kids, why is it that he's taking me to court for everything but to see his kids? He is now suing me for defamation and a whole bunch of other fucking stupid in merit shit. He's taking me to court right now also because he wants to modify his child support.

• 2:59:49Speaker 02

  He literally leaked his own court papers, which triggered me right before this got leaked. Um, he leaked his papers, his lawyer papers, and he had the nerve to make the head, uh, to put in there that he sees, he has the kids more than me. And because he's no longer on Love and Hip Hop, he doesn't make that, that much money.

• 3:00:09Bunnie XO?

  Well, obviously, he's a YouTuber now.

• 3:00:12Speaker 02

  But I fell for the bait because when that went out, when he, when he put his whole court papers out, people were coming at me like, oh, why is she making it seem like he never sees the kids if he's claiming he has them more? I literally posted the calendar of.

• 3:00:28Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 3:00:29Speaker 02

  So next you know, people are going at him like, oh, you only seen your kids 16 times. That I fell for the bait, which led him to do this. He's so calculated and his agenda is very clear. It's just people love to hate me being the bad guy, that this is where, you know what I'm saying? This kind of became as big as it was where people actually believe this shit.

• 3:00:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:56Speaker 02

  Because the truth is, like I said, if he, if I was keeping these kids from him, first of all, he has court ordered parenting time since 2022.

• 3:01:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:05Speaker 02

  He's supposed to get them three days, one week, four days, and next week is supposed to be rotating, rotating, rotating. He doesn't do it. Why? Because he claims the kid's school is too far and he'll be, he doesn't want to drive two hours every day to get the kids. Where I, where he picked the school for the kids to go was 30 minutes away from him, right? So picking them up and dropping them off every day would be a two hour drive every day. He claims he's not doing that. Then if I'm not fucking on him on those other days, that he could be picking them up, which is the weekends. It makes my life complicated, right? It's less, it's, it's hard for me to date. It's hard for me to maneuver and, and work and do this without me having to pay.

• 3:01:48Speaker 02

  He also knows I lost one of my main incomes thanks to him. So therefore money is probably not as.

• 3:01:56Speaker 02

  Much as it used to be.

• 3:01:57Bunnie XO?

  That's fluid.

• 3:01:57Speaker 02

  So keeping the kids on my tab all the time adds up. So he's calculated in every fucking way. If I'm not engaging in him fucking on me, these kids don't see him.

• 3:02:11Speaker 02

  And, and even that, he'll get them purposely not brush their hair, purposely dress them fucking looking crazy. All of these things because he knows I take pride, just like I, he would take pride in how he dresses, I take pride in how I dress. Therefore, what do you not take pride in when it comes to your kids?

• 3:02:28Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 3:02:29Speaker 02

  He will have my kids walking around looking like, yeah. But yet, he can be in tip top shape.

• 3:02:39Speaker 02

  So it's like, he doesn't just do things to set me off. He does things out of spite all the time, all the time.

• 3:02:47Bunnie XO?

  After being through all of this with him, how is your heart? How are you right now?

• 3:02:53Speaker 02

  Um, you know what? I'm a lot better.

• 3:02:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:56Speaker 02

  Believe it or not, this coming out

• 3:03:00Speaker 02

  set me free.

• 3:03:03Speaker 02

  For real, for real.

• 3:03:05Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 3:03:06Speaker 02

  Cause I'm like,

• 3:03:09Speaker 02

  look how far he will go. Like he hasn't gone far enough to break me and bring me down. But now you wanna publicly make me be this person that you know that I'm not. Because, and, and you, and I know this to be a fact, he wants to make sure that I don't flourish in my career anymore.

• 3:03:33Bunnie XO?

  He's not succeeding.

• 3:03:34Speaker 02

  I'm doing movies now.

• 3:03:36Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 3:03:37Speaker 02

  I've been blessed to, now I have my dating show with Zeus that comes out this top of this year.

• 3:03:41Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about it, cause no matter what this man has done to you.

• 3:03:45Speaker 02

  He did this, right? To stop all of that. And so, he can YouTube and be a deadbeat in peace.

• 3:03:52Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 3:03:53Speaker 02

  That's what this agenda is for. That's, that's his motive, that, this is all that.

• 3:04:00Speaker 02

  This set me free because now I'm able to do this.

• 3:04:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, and you have been.

• 3:04:05Speaker 02

  I feel like I've been sparing him a lot. And the truth is the truth. I am not perfect. I have taken this man back on numerous occasions. I have allowed him to fucking provoke me where I wig the fuck out. I have allowed him to use, you know, my weaknesses against me because he knows. When we got married, that was the one thing when he kept begging me for kids. I don't want to be a single mother. He left me for dead with two kids on purpose because he knows that's one of my biggest like fears. Yes.

• 3:04:46Speaker 02

  But now I can tell my fucking story for real.

• 3:04:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:51Speaker 02

  On who he is and what I've been through.

• 3:04:54Bunnie XO?

  And not carry it into 2025.

• 3:04:56Speaker 02

  And not carry it in.

• 3:04:59Bunnie XO?

  See you later.

• 3:05:00Speaker 02

  He just set me free because now, like he does with Nikki, he often tries to chime in.

• 3:05:09Bunnie XO?

  Well, he's definitely going to come forward after this podcast comes out.

• 3:05:12Speaker 02

  I mean, if he comes forward, it's because he's desperate for more clout. That's just who he is.

• 3:05:16Bunnie XO?

  And he'll ride the wave and you just know that. Don't let him trigger you.

• 3:05:20Speaker 02

  He can't.

• 3:05:20Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 3:05:21Speaker 02

  I'm so like, now that I, especially now about the ladder, because it's been like such a, and I, I'm able to laugh at it now because it's like, damn, he really fucking set me up for this. You stupid fucking bitch. You allow this fucking clown to really like play with you like this.

• 3:05:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:40Speaker 02

  But this just set me free because now I can tell the truth on all of this shit.

• 3:05:45Bunnie XO?

  Pharma always comes back around.

• 3:05:46Speaker 02

  And you know, before I close out this conversation, it's like, the proof is in the pudding. If this man was being, if his kids were being withheld.

• 3:05:55Speaker 02

  From seeing, from him seeing his kids, he would be in court for that. He's not in court for any of the, but in fact-

• 3:06:00Bunnie XO?

  Also taking you to court for defamation.

• 3:06:02Speaker 02

  Then he's also, after putting this shit out on me, he's, he's trying to sue me. Oh, when I was shooting the, the Zoo Show, he put out, he was trying to get a restraining order on me. Mind you, I was in, I was in California for like a month and a half shooting my, my dating show. He got wind that I was shooting the dating show and it was for real going, like going down. This man had the audacity to try to get a restraining order on me. Why? So that in the middle of shooting, I had to stop, find a lawyer, pay a lawyer, to now respond to this and, and defend myself with this quote unquote restraining order. So it's like, when I tell you, there's so much behind the scenes shit that I've been dealing with with this man.

• 3:06:47Speaker 02

  And if you guys want to believe-

• 3:06:49Bunnie XO?

  It's exhausting.

• 3:06:50Speaker 02

  It's so exhausting, because if people really want to believe that I don't want to break every week and that I don't have to pay for with my kids going with their dad, you gotta be out your fucking rabbit ass mind.

• 3:07:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:07:02Speaker 02

  A free break, three days one week, four days the next week? Bring it on! Come pick up these fucking kids! And then he also tells on himself too, and another thing, he's like, "I refuse to go to her house." Stupid, your kids go to school every fucking day, that's how much he-

• 3:07:18Bunnie XO?

  You have video of him in your house.

• 3:07:21Speaker 02

  But, exactly. He doesn't want to come to my house because he can't fuck on me anymore. Is the real deal.

• 3:07:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:07:28Speaker 02

  He can't drink my fluids and fucking devour me the way he obsessively loves to anymore. But he can pick his kids up at school, but doesn't do that because he doesn't want to drive the two hours every day. So there you go.

• 3:07:42Bunnie XO?

  Let's move on from Safari though, and talk about this dating thing because even though Safari has put you through all of this fucking bullshit, he has literally tried everything he can to just fucking- Bring you down and like, I just could never imagine a man wanting to-

• 3:07:58Speaker 02

  Oh, did I tell you how he was DMing the football player too?

• 3:08:02Bunnie XO?

  No, you did not, but it doesn't fucking surprise me. Like, what is going on with this man?

• 3:08:07Speaker 02

  It's been, when I tell you people, like-

• 3:08:09Bunnie XO?

  What was he DMing the football player?

• 3:08:11Speaker 02

  I guess he wanted to tell him that, like, so I'm dating this guy, talking to him, but he still was kinda coming at me. He got, this is the guy that I was at Carbone with. He found out who it was and starts DMing him, talking about he had stuff to tell him.

• 3:08:28Bunnie XO?

  What it, okay-

• 3:08:29Speaker 02

  You wanna see it?

• 3:08:29Bunnie XO?

  If, yes, I would love to see it. If people don't see that he's the problem-

• 3:08:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:08:36Bunnie XO?

  Then, I just, after this podcast, if I see another blog about you being the problem here, I'm going to probably lose my mind.

• 3:08:45Speaker 02

  I'll take accountability, babe. I'm not gonna say I'm innocent, cuz I'm not.

• 3:08:48Bunnie XO?

  I get it.

• 3:08:48Speaker 02

  But one thing's for sure, it does take two to tango, and, and trust me, the sex, our sexual chemistry is so, like, bombed that it was hard for me to let go.

• 3:08:59Bunnie XO?

  Well, yeah, you guys also have a trauma bond too, so that makes everything ten times more intense.

• 3:09:05Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So, look, this is-

• 3:09:10Bunnie XO?

  Hold on, let me get the bifocals on.

• 3:09:18Bunnie XO?

  He said-

• 3:09:19Speaker 02

  So, this was after he had me hop the fence. He, he got wind, okay, so he found out, so they just told him that I was there with a guy. But once he found out it was a football player, and this football player, when I tell you, is fine, does the, he's-

• 3:09:33Bunnie XO?

  He said, "What up? Let me know when you see this. Trying to send you some info. Just wanna make sure you're the right person."

• 3:09:42Speaker 02

  So, yeah, he basically, every time I'm ready to move on or I've moved on, like, this man can't take it. So, it's like, if I'm all of this-

• 3:09:54Speaker 02

  If I'm this crazy, let's just say like that, why haven't you been to court to get your kids away from me for one for two? Why haven't you gone to court because you I'm keeping your kids from you? Like, why?

• 3:10:07Bunnie XO?

  It's just an abusive relationship.

• 3:10:09Speaker 02

  There's just so much that I just wish people were smart enough to see.

• 3:10:12Bunnie XO?

  I think after this podcast.

• 3:10:14Speaker 02

  A lot of celebrity women reached out to me, like big name women that were like, listen,

• 3:10:22Speaker 02

  what you did is nothing compared to what X, Y, and Z made me do. And it's like, you'd be surprised how many men, and I'm saying it's right, but men literally purposely antagonize, provoke women. And then when they lose their shit, it's like, she's crazy, she's this, she's this, that. They never tell the whole story.

• 3:10:42Bunnie XO?

  It's reactive abuse, and that's part of controlling the narrative. If he can't control you, he wants to control what people think about you. And after this podcast, if people can't see what's going on here, especially now that you're distancing yourself from him and saying, hey, you know what? No more. Just let this dude crash out.

• 3:11:00Speaker 02

  Like, I would never let this man touch me again.

• 3:11:04Bunnie XO?

  I mean, he's gonna crash out on his own.

• 3:11:06Speaker 02

  I mean, he's crashing out already.

• 3:11:07Bunnie XO?

  So moving on from Safari, though, and no matter what this man has done to you, you have literally just risen from the ashes like a fucking the phoenix that you are. You have done this your entire life. It seems like to be a theme for your life. Like, no matter what fucking adversities life throws at you.

• 3:11:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know how. I really have like 10 lives. I would say nine, but I say.

• 3:11:26Bunnie XO?

  No, you always.

• 3:11:28Speaker 02

  I have a couple of lives on me.

• 3:11:29Bunnie XO?

  I'm telling you, you always come back full force. And now you have a dating show coming out on Zeus. Tell me all about this.

• 3:11:36Speaker 02

  I'm super excited about that. I feel like this show, I mean, it's definitely Zeus, so it's crazy, it has its elements. But what I love about it is that Lemmy and LJ let me create a format where I still gave them Zeus, but I wanted to tap in and show how fun and sexy and wild, you know, being a bisexual woman could be. What I love about it is I got to be myself, you know, in the sense of like, once I'm like, in my world, in my element, I. Sex is like my favorite conversation. I love to talk about sex. I'm a Scorpio, so I love to talk about sex.

• 3:12:12Bunnie XO?

  Do you know what your moon sign is?

• 3:12:13Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 3:12:14Bunnie XO?

  Haley was asking me because she said you were gonna ask me.

• 3:12:16Speaker 02

  So I was like, oh shit, how do I find that out? She's like, you gotta find out your moon sign because she's gonna wanna know. I'm like, fuck, okay, good to know.

• 3:12:26Speaker 02

  But yeah, I love to talk about sex. I just feel like, you know, in a safe space. It's like, we all do it, like, whatever, right?

• 3:12:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:12:33Speaker 02

  So I've been an open bisexual for like years and I love love. And I haven't been lucky in it, but I know I'm deserving of it. And one thing people don't know is how fun and crazy and, you know, wild I am. Well, wild, yes.

• 3:12:51Bunnie XO?

  I think we all know you're fun and crazy and wild.

• 3:12:55Speaker 02

  But like, in a fun way, where it's not love and hip hop drama. Like, people know me drama crazy. Now it's like fun crazy, turn up crazy. Like, tap into like how fun it is to be around me when I'm in, you know, a good, healthy environment.

• 3:13:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:11Speaker 02

  So I got nine guys, nine girls, all walks of life.

• 3:13:14Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 3:13:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, and we took it there. We put us, we're all in one big house and they are competing for my love. And I'll say this, my cast, I'm completely obsessed with them.

• 3:13:28Speaker 02

  I had such a great time with just, you know,

• 3:13:36Speaker 02

  the whole environment that it was. It was crazy nonstop. The boys turned up, the girls turned up. You know, I'm not very like into the whole like throwing down stuff because I've been there, done that growing up in New York. But I will say this, they've definitely turned me on to see them kind of like, some of them were taking it so serious where they were like thumping for me and like hardcore like. But yeah, I just love it because it's like, like I said, I got an opportunity to really be myself. It also was very emotional because you get attached to certain people and even though you don't see them in that way, you know, to let them go and hurt their feelings, it's tough, it's tough. But yeah, it was a fun time. The trailer will be dropping very soon.

• 3:14:16Bunnie XO?

  When does it drop? When is it actually?

• 3:14:17Speaker 02

  January, we're just right now going over Zeus's programming.

• 3:14:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:14:21Speaker 02

  Um, Lemmy has so much stuff in the works and stuff like that. So he, he wants this to be very, um, right timing. And it's good because we literally shot this in August.

• 3:14:31Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 3:14:31Speaker 02

  And, um,

• 3:14:32Bunnie XO?

  Right in the middle of you going through all of this.

• 3:14:34Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, literally, literally going through all of this. Um, uh, it was going down and, but at the same time, um,

• 3:14:44Speaker 02

  it was, it was a wild experience.

• 3:14:45Bunnie XO?

  It was an outlet for you too.

• 3:14:46Speaker 02

  Yes. And, and, and doing it, it made me realize too, like,

• 3:14:52Speaker 02

  everything my first baby daddy would tell me is like, remember who the fuck you are was in my, my head. Cause to go through what I went through, I was on Love and Hip Hop for so many years. Then what happened, happened to me. These people used me for bait. And all of a sudden selective outrage kicked in and the next thing you know, they're firing me over social media. Um, and I held that franchise down for so many years. Regardless of how people feel about me, people tuned in. They wanted to know my drama. They wanted to know my life story. I was able to kind of go through my relationships. Um, you know, I brought out, you know, me being a bisexual, then I got married and had my fairy tale wedding. Then I got kids, then I got left for dead with kids. Like,

• 3:15:35Speaker 02

  the world has been on a journey with me for so long. And now it's like, now I get an opportunity to not only have my own show, but to show me an element that I'm very deserving in, and that's love. Like I am such a lover, regardless of how crazy my love life has been. Um, I have always been open with my love life and there's whether it's bad, good, ugly, whatever. It's, it's just been this ride that my fan base has been able to go on with me. So now, you know, doing, um, two ways with Erica was just an outlet of just kind of seeing what it's like to date me and how to date me. And,

• 3:16:14Speaker 02

  and then the, you know, the challenges I got a chance to make up, you know, for my contestants, you know, kind of says a lot about me. I'm definitely a freaky girl.

• 3:16:24Speaker 02

  I'm definitely a freaky girl, but I'm also very fun and I'm also. So I I feel deep too. I'm I'm an empath, even though I'm hardcore and like I'm very empath. So it was it's it's definitely a ride. People have been saying your show is very loud. You're very loud. I'm like, yes, yes, it's loud. I'm loud.

• 3:16:42Bunnie XO?

  When I think of Erica Mina, I think of somebody who's very loud. And that doesn't mean it's not a bad thing.

• 3:16:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:16:47Bunnie XO?

  They call Chronic loud, so that's a good thing.

• 3:16:49Speaker 02

  And it's great because like everyone behind the scenes, production, everyone's like, you got a hit on your hands. We're so excited for you. I just stopped by the Zeus office the other day. And you know, everyone was just like so excited for me because the edits are, you know, starting to be edited up. And they're just like, this is, this is great because people get to see who you are. A lot of them said this was the most fun they've ever had on a set, you know? So I got a chance to like bring an experience to not just my contestants, but you know, production and everybody that that, you know, plays behind the scenes. It's always more than what you guys see in front of the camera.

• 3:17:24Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 3:17:24Speaker 02

  So yeah, um, yeah, I'm excited. It's it's it's gonna, it's very loud and it's out there and and we're gonna be on a ride. It says 12 episodes, but we have so much footage that I'm I'm thinking they might add some, you know, extra episodes in. But I'm excited. And then we also have movies coming out. I have a movie run directed and written by Chris Stokes that comes out in theaters this year.

• 3:17:49Bunnie XO?

  Let's go.

• 3:17:50Speaker 02

  Um, we get a trailer for that. And then my trilogy Stepmother, um, which is on Tubi and all my other movies that are on Tubi. I'm really proud of that. And I'm just gonna continue on and like the acting stuff. This is why I'm like, this couldn't have come at a better time because I feel like at the end of the day, I'm not perfect. Like I said, I've made some faults, I've taken back, I fucked up, I fell for the okey doke. I've also made some bad decisions. But I'm unapologetically me at all times, um, even within my mistakes. And one thing's for sure is that when it comes to my career, I give it my all.

• 3:18:25Speaker 02

  And there's a lot of versions of me, which is probably why I've been able to kind of be in this shit for so long. And I'm not afraid of growth.

• 3:18:33Bunnie XO?

  And that's exactly what you've shown this entire podcast is so much growth.

• 3:18:37Speaker 02

  Like I'm not afraid to grow, change. Um, last August, I decided to like not drink anymore, so I'm.

• 3:18:45Bunnie XO?

  Can we talk about this? I just heard about your sobriety earlier.

• 3:18:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, ah, I'm over it. You know what it is? I just feel like, um.

• 3:18:54Speaker 02

  To to go where I'm really headed. And where I'm supposed to end up being ultimately. I feel like I used alcohol to kind of numb a lot of things. And to make the some and I and alcohol plays a part of me making the dumb, the stupid dumb decisions I've made with just kind of accepting. And taking back and so on, so forth. That played a big part. Of me.

• 3:19:23Speaker 02

  Indulging and not being. Level headed like I'm supposed to, you know, because emotions are high. It weakens me. My mind isn't clear. Um, I forget what I have on the line. Um, I'm like even that night that I hopped the fence, I had a couple of drinks with my guy.

• 3:19:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:19:43Speaker 02

  You know, I was a little tipsy and you know, when I got that phone call. You know, I'm sure if I was sober, him not picking up. You know, whatever, I probably would have made a different decision and going over there altogether. You know what I mean? And I think about that and and even with um. Um. That last incident, you know. Being set off, you know, like knowing.

• 3:20:10Speaker 02

  That this person purposely says and does things to kind of provoke me. Being sober, I feel like now is going to give me a lot more. Strength and clarity and and I'm going to stop and think. Things through before anything, you know what I mean? Before any type of reaction.

• 3:20:30Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 3:20:31Speaker 02

  And so far, I feel like it's great. Like I get up at five, I pray now, um, write in my journal. The kids get up at seven. So I kind of have like this routine now that's been mapped out since I decided to become completely sober. And it's been great. Like I walk around with this damn bottle. If I'm not with this bottle, it's my Stanley cup.

• 3:20:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:20:51Speaker 02

  And um. And I just feel so much better. I also feel like I am able to hear. I'm super in tune spiritually. Like when I wake up at five and I'm praying. I'm able to visually see what's gonna happen for me. Like God, I feel like. Like shows me things and it's been.

• 3:21:14Speaker 02

  So like liberating. Because like even with this, I was supposed to come not too long ago before this actual visit. And like something happened with my mom. Yeah.

• 3:21:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Is she okay by the way?

• 3:21:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's great. Um, where I, I wasn't able to make it and um, it was like the timing of everything and just like how, and I realize that now, like I, like, everything in its timing, it's like, who wouldn't know, I would have not predicted that, you know, to, to come and, and try to ruin me.

• 3:21:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:21:49Speaker 02

  And I feel like that was the, the, it was a motive behind that. Like that was, that was done and put out to like, end me once and for all.

• 3:21:57Bunnie XO?

  It was a hit piece.

• 3:21:58Speaker 02

  Yes. That was done to like, end me for once and for all. And the fact that that wasn't the result, you know?

• 3:22:05Bunnie XO?

  You've done nothing but level up. Even getting sober, no drug is worse than reality. I say that to everybody because I've been sober since 2017.

• 3:22:14Speaker 02

  I heard, yes.

• 3:22:15Bunnie XO?

  So to, to be able to be in the midst of all this chaos, all this stress, everything coming at you, and just to make that conscious spiritual decision to be like, you know what? I don't want my mind altered anymore. I want to be in this a hundred percent. That is, that's amazing.

• 3:22:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I, and I'm now, and now since I've done it, I'm like, I look back at all this shit I was tolerating. And like the lies and, you know, now us going to court, sometimes I have to go back and, send proof to my lawyer about certain things and I'm reading how I was just like, the lies, the this, deceitfulness, the, and it's just like, had I been sober, none of this would have slid that, that well. And I definitely would have not accepted as much as I accepted. You know, like, and then getting through postpartum.

• 3:23:07Speaker 02

  That because when I was pregnant and even after I wasn't, I wasn't drinking then, but the pain of that and feeling on, you know, disregarded and thrown to the side and, and just not seen and taunted the way I was taunted. You know, like from the time I gave birth to Legend, even up till now, this person purposely buys all these things, knowing it does nothing for these kids and everything's left on me. That's done to taunt me.

• 3:23:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:23:36Speaker 02

  That's done to make my life complicated and more difficult. You know, now that I don't want to have any sexual relationships with them at all, it claims it's scared of me. It can't come nowhere near me because it's so scared. You know, and it's just like, wow, I'm really dealing, well, I should say it.

• 3:23:58Speaker 02

  I wouldn't even say I'm dealing, but if there's any regret that I have

• 3:24:06Speaker 02

  is the person that I chose to have more kids with. But I love my babies, but I just, I, I just really.

• 3:24:12Bunnie XO?

  You can't control how, who he's gonna be. He's always gonna be who he's gonna be.

• 3:24:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I, I feel like

• 3:24:20Speaker 02

  um, I owe my kids like forever an apology.

• 3:24:26Bunnie XO?

  But they have you, they have you, they have King, you know, like those babies were, they chose you to be their mom for a reason. So.

• 3:24:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, but those times when my daughter is begging to get picked up by her dad and he does nothing but give her excuses and she gets off the iPad and she's hysterically crying. It's like, I am so sorry.

• 3:24:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:24:46Speaker 02

  You know, like that's the stuff and, and then that's, and that's even more so why I have to stay sober because I now have to. Um, and it's funny because no matter how much time that's passes and we're about to be on seven months that he hasn't seen them. Um, their love for him has not subsided because how much love I pour into them and how much I allow them to love him even from a distance. When they miss him and it's real bad, I play his video on YouTube. And that's the stuff I kind of have to deal with, but at the same time, it's a sacrifice I'm gonna make because. In time, they will see it for what it is, but in the meantime, I don't want the trauma of them missing him and not seeing him to affect their,

• 3:25:28Speaker 02

  you know, their, their, their light. So I try to do what I can to kind of build them up with love and no matter how much time has passed, and, and that's the part that's so sad about it is he

• 3:25:42Speaker 02

  can do this, but yet doesn't tell the world that no matter how much he goes without seeing them, those kids love him even more than the last time he saw them seven months ago.

• 3:25:54Bunnie XO?

  My prayer for you guys after this podcast comes out is that I really hope Safari listens to this with an open heart.

• 3:26:01Speaker 02

  Oh, he's not gonna listen to this.

• 3:26:02Bunnie XO?

  And, oh, he's, oh, he's listening. Trust me. You know, he's gonna listen to this.

• 3:26:06Speaker 02

  Nah, he might, he might, he might stalk my Instagram page to see, cause he does do that.

• 3:26:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:26:14Speaker 02

  I know that because it's just so obvious.

• 3:26:16Bunnie XO?

  Well, my prayer is that he does listen to this part of the podcast with you.

• 3:26:20Speaker 02

  He'll probably get wind of those stuff that goes viral.

• 3:26:22Bunnie XO?

  Listens with an open heart and then just, you guys can just get it together because it does seem like there was a lot of love there and those babies were made with love. And I really pray that you guys can come to some sort of friendship, you know, of,

• 3:26:38Speaker 02

  I don't even, I don't even, I don't even want no friendship. I just want him to just step up to the plate. You know, see the kids when you were supposed to see them, when you have them, dress them properly, love them properly, you know.

• 3:26:50Bunnie XO?

  Have you guys ever tried to have like a mediator in between you guys that can like get the kids to and from each other? So you guys don't even have to interact?

• 3:26:57Speaker 02

  We don't have to interact now, Bunny. He can literally go to the school, pick the kids up. I know there's, I know of men that drive three hours just to pick up their kids, spend time with them and drive three hours back to drop them off and then three hours to get back. Like, if you really wanna see your kid, no time or place stops you.

• 3:27:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:27:19Speaker 02

  And it's like, that's just what it comes down to. And he has court ordered time to see them. He just chooses not to because it makes my life complicated. If I have them seven days a week, and let's just say, because my career, I actually do things like movies, and I have a show and things like that, I have to pay childcare. And if I have them seven days, he knows that's going to cost me.

• 3:27:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 3:27:45Speaker 02

  So.

• 3:27:46Bunnie XO?

  So what, so 2025, what can we look forward for you?

• 3:27:51Speaker 02

  We got Erica Mena Two Ways with Zeus coming.

• 3:27:54Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 3:27:54Speaker 02

  We have a movie called Run that will be in theaters.

• 3:27:58Bunnie XO?

  But I want to hear about you personally. What is, does Erica want for herself personally? All your accomplishments are amazing.

• 3:28:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:28:05Bunnie XO?

  I can't wait to see those come to fruition.

• 3:28:07Speaker 02

  You know what? I want to, I want to continue just being this clear minded person. I feel like I've, well, I've been drinking since I was like 16.

• 3:28:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:28:16Speaker 02

  I want to, I want to indulge in life, like, because it's, well, I stopped in August. I'm only like seven, August, seven months, seven, eight months in. I want to progress in this life of clarity. And, you know, continue to indulge in, you know,

• 3:28:38Speaker 02

  bettering myself, whether it's me in the gym or taking some classes. I've been doing this cold water plunge thing.

• 3:28:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, cold plunge.

• 3:28:46Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm obsessed with it because it really, it has helped me to understand how powerful my mind is. So when I first started doing it, obviously, it's fucking scary. It's freaky, like you're fucking dying, you're hyperventilating. But once you start realizing and how you can control your mind, like I will literally now sit in 48 degrees for three minutes, of course. I have, I have a minute to go past that. But I can make myself really believe I'm not in a cold situation.

• 3:29:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:29:16Speaker 02

  And with that comes, okay, if I can do that with just that, I've already what? Manifested what I've manifested now. I want to just be able to kind of just progress in my mental and like how I can just. Make everything that I want happen mentally, especially now that my mind is clear, you know? Um, I wanna challenge myself more in the physical sense. Um, I've always been like, you know, real active in the gym and stuff like that. But now I really wanna dive in where I'm like, you know, weight lifting heavier and just make that more of a day to day routine.

• 3:29:52Bunnie XO?

  It's so good for your mental health.

• 3:29:54Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. I feel like just challenging myself physically with the power of my mind and how I can take my, I just feel like it's just time. And then before I'm forty, I just feel like I see myself just being in the best shape ever. And this is all stuff that's come and been, you know, told to me in my five AM, you know, prayers that I just really see myself in my forties looking better than I've ever have. I also see myself being um, in major movies with major actresses and actors and, you know, I just, there's just so much that is coming.

• 3:30:28Bunnie XO?

  Sit down and make a vision board. That's what I do with my team.

• 3:30:31Speaker 02

  I saw you guys do one, not too long ago.

• 3:30:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, every year we do vision boards and it's phenomenal what comes.

• 3:30:38Speaker 02

  I've been like writing profusely lately and a lot of the things that I've kind of like started jotting down are starting to kind of come through. My manager's been calling me about certain things and I'm like, no way. I'm like, I take a picture. I'm like, I wrote this down.

• 3:30:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so words are spells.

• 3:30:57Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 3:30:58Bunnie XO?

  I'm telling you, words are spells, so you be careful what you cast.

• 3:31:01Speaker 02

  And then this year too, more importantly, I don't ever wanna speak about just certain things anymore.

• 3:31:09Bunnie XO?

  You don't have to. You left, you left it all here.

• 3:31:11Speaker 02

  Like literally, that's why I said this has been like, that set me free. And then now what I've been doing to kind of just move forward. Um, and then me staying sober and all of this, like I, if there's ever been a time where I've said I'm a force, it's definitely beyond that now. Like, the force that I am about to become, come, is, you know, I'm excited for myself more than anything. Cause I'm like, damn, I have been through some shit. And yes, I've loved harder than a motherfucker, but now it's time to kind of, you know.

• 3:31:48Bunnie XO?

  You don't realize the power you have until someone tries to chip away at it.

• 3:31:52Speaker 02

  Take it from you.

• 3:31:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 3:31:54Speaker 02

  And that's kind of what this year has been. Power, so much, like even with Love and Hip Hop, what happened with me on Love and Hip Hop. I didn't realize I was that.

• 3:32:08Speaker 02

  It was, I was that big until that happened. And I was just like, wow.

• 3:32:15Speaker 02

  Not just with my words, but my, me as a whole, you know?

• 3:32:20Bunnie XO?

  Does anybody even watch Love and Hip Hop since you left?

• 3:32:23Speaker 02

  It's so funny because that's literally what I was gonna say. I was gonna say, I literally get stopped, nonstop. I get messages, nonstop, in public. The amount of people that tell me on a day to day, and it's literally like, and I live so far out. I get old people, I get like, people from different walks of life. I had a Oriental woman stop me and like, at the airport in LA. And she was just like, you know, I don't watch Love and Hip Hop anymore since you left.

• 3:32:53Bunnie XO?

  They need to bring you back. They'll bring you, if they wanted to bring you back, would you go back?

• 3:32:57Speaker 02

  I left off at a pretty good coin.

• 3:33:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:33:00Speaker 02

  And you know what's crazy? I was actually on my last year, contractually with them. And had I not been fired, I would have to wait two years to even do Zeus.

• 3:33:13Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow.

• 3:33:13Speaker 02

  I was actually offered Zeus around the time I got divorced, but I was contractually bought in. So Lemmy was like, I'll wait and do this with you. So I was actually supposed to, like, I've been offered this show years ago, but contractually I wasn't. So being that I got fired, there was no binding and I was able to go right into what I was. So that was, that was a blessing, even though it was, it came from an unfortunate situation. But to answer your question, um. I don't think they could afford me with what I'm gonna ask for just because out of the disrespect and the disregard that they kind of um how they dealt with me was just disgusting.

• 3:33:55Bunnie XO?

  Well, I think you felt like you were loyal to them and they just.

• 3:33:58Speaker 02

  For 15 years, I let these people, I did everything these people told me to do in the very beginning because I didn't know no better and that brought in all the ratings that they needed and it took on a life of its own. New York transpired where they were able to do all these other cities.

• 3:34:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that was a great season.

• 3:34:13Speaker 02

  So it's safe to say like, you know, I definitely was the guinea pig and you know, I also inspired other women to be casted on this franchise to, you know, to do what they do. So it's, it's good to know that, but um yeah, I left off at a pretty good fucking penny with them. I was getting, I was probably one of the highest paid, if not the highest paid.

• 3:34:36Bunnie XO?

  You deserved every penny of it.

• 3:34:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, so for them to come back and then they're better apologize to me too.

• 3:34:44Bunnie XO?

  She said the apology better be as loud as the disrespect.

• 3:34:49Speaker 02

  I feel like when you're old and apology, it's only right you get one.

• 3:34:52Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. Well, I just want to tell you, Erica, thank you for coming here and.

• 3:34:56Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me. I swear, I was praying like when that, when everything was just coming at me at once, I was like, okay, and my, my, my manager was like, okay, whatever you said right now, because I was kind of, whatever I could, I did say a few things on the internet, but it wasn't getting anywhere. People weren't, they were just caught up in the visual that was like literally viral everywhere. And I was just like, you know what, I'm not going, I'm just gonna put out a statement and I put it out with TMZ that I just wanted it to stop, but really that was just to kind of bring myself to the drawing board and I sat on it for days and just prayed because I knew I had to tell them,

• 3:35:39Speaker 02

  you can't lie on me like this. I think I'm not gonna fucking tell the truth.

• 3:35:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:35:43Speaker 02

  So I just prayed for it because I knew it had to be right and not only done right, but the.

• 3:35:53Speaker 02

  The timing of it had to make perfect sense. Like, I wanted that wave to be rode out the way it was.

• 3:36:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:36:01Speaker 02

  Because the truth of the matter is that that's what it wanted. It wanted the, it wanted the attraction. It wanted the views. It wanted the subscribers. And it showed its true colors when it started promoting the number of subscribers it got. You know what I'm saying? So the motive, yeah, the motive it got.

• 3:36:22Speaker 02

  It's, it's there. It's just people are so used to wanting to hate me that I pray that they, you know, they fell for the hoopla.

• 3:36:30Bunnie XO?

  I pray that they see your growth in this podcast, though, because even in all the interviews that I've watched you in, you've always been so kind of like rah rah. And here you're just like, look, man, this is what it is. This is what happened. I'm not who that person is. Let me go.

• 3:36:44Speaker 02

  I mean, and don't get me wrong, I'm a crazy bitch, but my crazy has some fucking substances. Like, there's a fucking reason behind the crazy.

• 3:36:51Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 3:36:51Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 3:36:52Bunnie XO?

  There's a method to the madness.

• 3:36:54Speaker 02

  Like, if you want people to believe I'm just crazy for no reason, you know, like, that I'm not gonna allow. Because all, every ounce of crazy that comes from this.

• 3:37:06Speaker 02

  There's, there's a reason.

• 3:37:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, there's a method to the madness.

• 3:37:10Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, a huge method for imagine. And every action, for every action, there's a reaction.

• 3:37:16Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 3:37:16Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? And it's like, so, yeah, so we're leaving this in the past. Thank you, thank you for giving me an opportunity to kind of lay it all out. Because literally, when I tell you, I'm, I feel so liberated. It is what it is. The truth is told. And if I'm spoken about by it ever again, you guys hear it first. It's because it needs clout, which it does. I mean, look what it's done with its ex.

• 3:37:44Bunnie XO?

  It puts the lotion on the skin.

• 3:37:45Speaker 02

  The other ex, you know what I'm saying? The other ex, still to this day, gets bamboozled by this fool's, you know, thirst to be talked about, you know? And she's married with, with kids and has accomplished so much in her career, you would think it would leave it alone, but.

• 3:38:03Bunnie XO?

  Tell everybody where they can find you if they already aren't following you.

• 3:38:06Speaker 02

  Okay, @erikamena on Instagram. And then I also have a YouTube, only one Erica Mena. And then I have my TikTok, which is only one Erica Mena as well. And yeah, I'm excited for this. Thank you so much.

• 3:38:19Bunnie XO?

  I love you, girl. And I can't wait to see you flourish in 2025.

• 3:38:22Speaker 02

  Thank you for being who you are, because literally, like, every bit of success you're getting from this podcast is so deserving. I actually see this being a show one day.

• 3:38:30Bunnie XO?

  Aw, yeah.

• 3:38:32Speaker 02

  Manifest to baby, manifest to me. You, fuck podcasts. You got your, like, we need talk shows. We need, you know, we need that.

• 3:38:39Bunnie XO?

  That's what we're trying to do. That's what we're aiming to do.

• 3:38:41Speaker 02

  I got chills just saying it, because I so see this being, like, you're a talk show host.

• 3:38:46Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate you. I appreciate you so much.

• 3:38:49Speaker 02

  You're a talk show host, baby.

• 3:38:51Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate you. Thank you, guys, for tuning into another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.

• 3:39:02Speaker 02

  Reports due to, then meeting prep, then...

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