Bonus: Reggie Watts’ Ego Was Too Big to Kill

Unpacking Reggie Watts and the wolves in sheep’s clothing. Corrosive evil. The bad guys (from music history) hiding in plain sight. Plus, Reggie Watts had us talking about John Hughes and now we’re talking about John Carpenter and great music from horror movies as well as your voicemails, texts, dms, emails, and more! See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:11Speaker 02

  I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actress, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on an amazing guest.

• 1:23Speaker 03

  Ooh, I scammed them.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:25Speaker 03

  I could talk to you for an hour.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  You're a generational yapper like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 1:43Jake Brennan?

  Hey, discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand, the after-party.

• 2:10Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we talk about Reggie Watts and corrosive evil. Are the real bad guys the dudes who are hiding in plain sight? Plus, Reggie Watts had us talking about John Hughes, and now we're talking about John Carpenter and great music from horror movies, as well as your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories you'll end up telling to someone else.

• 2:54Jake Brennan?

  All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:06Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, as we get closer to Halloween week here, the signs are all around us. It's spooky season. Yeah, we see it. I was cruising, I opened my Apple, sorry, not my Apple, my Samsung TV the other day, and tons of ads for Crystal Lake, the prequel to Friday the 13th. And I'm kind of interested in watching it, but I won't watch it because I'm not that interested, despite the fact that I loved these movies when I was a little kid. It just can be thinking, though, you know, thematically this week in DisgraceLand, we have the Reggie Watts episode, and Reggie Watts is a particular type of villain.

• 3:46Jake Brennan?

  And thinking about Jason Voorhees and his mom and Crystal Lake and Freddy Krueger and Halloween and all the sort of overtly evil villains that we've seen throughout our, the sort of horror culture that's out there, even the true crime serial killer culture. We see this with our rewind subject this week, AC/DC's Part One and Part Two that we just released this past Sunday, re-released this past Sunday, and the character of Richard Ramirez, who is a serial killer, who is clearly evil, overtly evil, much more in line with the sort of, you know, Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees types of villains that I'm thinking about.

• 4:31Jake Brennan?

  Anyways, my point is, we spend a lot of time in our culture talking about these types of overtly evil villains. And, and yeah, we do spend time speaking and talking about and thinking about the covert villains, but those are the villains that are more interesting to me. It's probably why I'm not going to watch Crystal Lake at this point in my life. I'm more, I'm more interested in the type of evil that is corrosive and that is a little more subtle. And that's what makes the Reggie Watts story so compelling to me.

• 5:11Jake Brennan?

  I ask in this episode on Reggie Watts, the thesis question of, is Reggie Watts the dude that your mother warned you and/or your sister about? And we all know the type of guy I'm talking about. I don't think our moms were talking about Jason Voorhees and Freddy Krueger. I think they were talking about a much more subtle sort of wolf in sheep's clothing type of dude. And like I said earlier, with Reggie Watts, he's not only a wolf in sheep's clothing

• 5:51Jake Brennan?

  if these accusations about him regarding the death, the suicide of his ex-girlfriend, Catherine McCullough, the allegations from Catherine McCullough's family and friends are true, then it speaks to a sort of villainous corrosive rot that can happen in relationships. Thankfully, I've never been in an abusive relationship. I know many people listening probably have. I don't, I can't fully understand what that is like. But in researching Catherine McCullough and Reggie Watts's relationship, in researching

• 6:32Jake Brennan?

  Catherine McCullough's life, I'm left with a very sincere sense of empathy for the victim here. And whether or not Catherine McCullough was a victim of Reggie Watts, she was certainly a victim of something. And again, back to this idea of the corrosive rot that's, that's sometimes there in relationships. When you're in the relationship, it's very hard to see. And of course, people outside the relationship, as was the case with Catherine McCullough, based on how her life went after she met Reggie Watts, she had a lot of family and friends step in and try to bring certain facts to light for her. I'll put it that way.

• 7:15Jake Brennan?

  But this corrosive rot, it's what, it's a different type of evil, and it's way more interesting to me, the subtle nature of it. Okay, it's like, it reminds me of, you know, I was at the, I was going to this gym about a year ago, and there's a guy there who was older. He was in his early 60s and he was getting physical therapy. And this guy was, was in a, he was in really rough shape and he could barely walk anymore. He could barely talk. He, like I said, he was in his early 60s. He looked, no joke, like he was in his 90s. And, you know, I asked my trainer one day, what happened to this guy? Because clearly something happened to this guy.

• 7:58Jake Brennan?

  And he was, this dude was a classically trained and, and I believe employed violin player. And he'd lived in Maine his whole life. And he did not know that he was living with black mold. This is the theory anyways about what happened to this guy. They don't know for certain, but he had just been inhaling this, this deadly mold for years and years and years, and it was eating away at his body. And his life was completely ruined from it, obviously. This is what I'm talking about. That's not evil, that's bad luck.

• 8:40Jake Brennan?

  But as an analogy, you hear what I'm saying here. You know, when it comes to Reggie Watts, and again, nothing is proven, and Reggie Watts and his attorney deny all of the allegations related to Catherine McCullough and what her family and what her friends are alleging and what we discuss in our episode.

• 8:58Jake Brennan?

  You know, I don't know if there were signs of that black mold in that violin player's home, but there are signs of the rot in Reggie Watts's personality and in his backstory. When you read his, as he calls it, memoir, which I know is probably, it's probably called a memoir as some sort of, you know, a reverent joke. It's an autobiography. Like I said, there are signs and the big sign is the glaring narcissism that is on display in this autobiography that is then confirmed by this, at least the allegations

• 9:38Jake Brennan?

  in the Catherine McCullough story. And I just think that the type of evil that you're living next to for years, that you're unaware of, is far scarier to me than the hyper imagined sort of supervillain Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees hiding under the bed, boogeyman under the bed, or the supernatural, you know, sci-fi villain that's, that's going to come and, and just, you know, change humanity as we know it. To me, the scarier one, and I suspect for you guys as well, is the villain that we all know, the villain that some, some of us have, are living next to, are living with. Way scarier, way scarier

• 10:19Jake Brennan?

  to me. And as a, as an artist, as a writer, as a podcaster, as a whatever, what I, I really wanted to understand how this happens. That's why we dug into this Reggie Watts story. And the question again, is Reggie Watts, the dude your mom warned you and/or your sister about? We're going to get into that thematically over the course of this, this episode, this after party. We'll be talking about it beyond this episode as well, well into next week, when I, you know, finally get to all the voicemails and all the texts and DMs and all that. Now, relative to this concept of, you know, living amongst the evil, amongst the rot, living with the guy your mom warned you about. I watched a little

• 11:04Jake Brennan?

  bit of The Shining yesterday. My wife and I just kind of threw it on. And it's an extreme analogy to this Reggie Watts, to the Reggie Watts story, the Reggie Watts accusations. You know, you have the Jack Nicholson character. He's, he's crazy in a type of way that goes way beyond narcissism. And then you have the Shelley Duvall character, living with this madman until it all kind of boils over into destruction. And it struck me that part of what made that story resonate with so many people is that it is just an extreme version of this thing that we're talking about with Reggie Watts, living with

• 11:43Jake Brennan?

  the evil, living with the mold and not knowing it. And that, to me, is way scarier. Side note, watching The Shining, I haven't watched this movie in probably five years, 10 years, and I don't think I watched it from the beginning, the last time I watched it, because I was blown away this time by those, those opening, the opening credits scene with the car driving through the mountains. First of all, it's beautiful. The cinematography is, is incredible. And it, it kind of hit like, it hit me in a way that when I listen, the way that music hits me now, when I listen to a CD, as opposed to listening to, you

• 12:25Jake Brennan?

  know, compressed digital music on Spotify. And you really hear what music was meant to sound like. Or if you're listening on, on vinyl through a, you know, on a, with a great turntable, through a great receiver and great speakers. But just watching the shots that they clearly shot in a helicopter or a plane, I don't know, completely fill my, my, my widescreen TV on my wall, which is a big fucking television. And that music, man, oh my God, my God. The music in those opening credits is incredible. Horror, horror movie music, I feel like culturally it's overlooked. It's kind of sneered at. It's

• 13:08Jake Brennan?

  looked down on. And I want to get into this a little with Zeth. This is what we're going to talk about in the exclusive section of this after party. Horror music, specifically the music in The Shining. And I want to talk about John Carpenter as well, the great horror movie director, who's also a musician and does, did a lot of, I think, most of the music from his movies. I watched Christine last week, the Stephen King adaptation of the Stephen King book that John Carpenter directed and did the music for. So we're going to get into John Carpenter as well. All of this, tracing back through The Shining, through Jack, living with the Shelley Duvall character, whose name escapes me at the moment.

• 13:50Jake Brennan?

  And, and living with the rot, the rot of it all. Reggie Watts and this incredible story. This might be my favorite Disgraceland story that we've produced in recent years. I just love it. I love what the guys did with the music. I love what they did with the mix. And the story, like I said, it's one of those stories that is super compelling to me because I'm trying to understand it. I'm really, really, really trying to understand how a woman who was so beautiful, so smart, so incredibly smart, it could, could be, be, fall victim to what is alleged here. So anyways, as we, as we talk about this more this week,

• 14:33Jake Brennan?

  get at me, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text, at disgracelandpod on the socials, [email protected]. And let me know what you think. Is Reggie Watts the guy that your mother warned you and/or your sister about? Or do you think that this is all kind of made up? And, and do you have any experiences yourself with living, living with the evil, living with the rot? How did you figure it out? How did you, how did you get smart? How did you come out, come out of that spell or whatever? And how did you, how did you see the light? I want to know. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. It's the spooky season, so Zeth and I are going to be talking about great horror film music in the exclusive section

• 15:15Jake Brennan?

  of this after party. You want to join that conversation, go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an exclusive all access member of Disgraceland. You will hear that conversation and you'll get more exclusive content, just like this, plus ad free listening. All right, guys. As you know, Reggie Watts is in the feed this week. That's our new episode. Follows up two ACDC Rewind episodes from last weekend. Our Rewind episode this coming weekend is on Madonna. He's been in the news quite a bit lately. And then next week, we've got our episode on Shannon Hoon from Blind Melon. Now, you probably think of Shannon Hoon as the gentle hippie poet behind No Rain, but Shannon Hoon grew up

• 15:57Jake Brennan?

  in the same small Indiana town as none other than Axl Rose. And once you hear how Shannon Hoon really lived, you are never going to hear the song No Rain the same way again. On Halloween, 1993, in Vancouver, Shannon Hoon wanted to upstage Lenny Kravitz. Now, I saw Shannon Hoon in Blind Melon and Lenny Kravitz on this same tour. Anyways, Blind Melon was opening up for Lenny Kravitz. And I remember Blind Melon not being good at all. And I remember Lenny Kravitz, this is his second album era, Lenny Kravitz. This is Mama Said. This is that incredible band. They fucking slayed. He was so good. And Blind

• 16:40Jake Brennan?

  Melon was like a blip that night. They were basically nothing. So it's no doubt that I believe very much what I've read, that Shannon Hoon felt like he was constantly getting upstaged by Lenny Kravitz, because I saw it. He was. Anyways, in Vancouver, on that same tour in 1993, Shannon Hoon stripped naked, climbed the speaker tower naked, and proceeded to urinate on the first five rows of the crowd. Shannon Hoon was apprehended by the police and he was promptly kicked out of Canada, as he should have been. What a fucking dumb thing to do. Anyways, this is part of what you're getting in the Shannon Hoon episode this week in Disgraceland. Perfectly timed for Halloween. Like I said, this was

• 17:23Jake Brennan?

  on Halloween, 1993, when this all went down. That's coming up next week. Shannon Hoon, make sure you are listening, guys. Question of the week for that Shannon Hoon episode. When you're listening to Shannon Hoon, you're listening to Blind Melon and Disgraceland, be thinking about the singers who we write off as one hit wonders. And let us know which so-called one hit wonder artist deserves to be remembered for more than just their biggest songs. 617-906-6638. With your answer, you might hear yourself on next week's after party voicemail and text. All right. 617-906-6638. I'll be back in just a bit, talk Reggie Watts with you guys, your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and more.

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• 19:09Speaker 02

  I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, standup comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast, all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on an amazing guest.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  Ooh, I scam them.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  What?

• 19:23Speaker 03

  I could talk to you for an hour.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  You're a generational yapper, like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 19:47Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back talking Reggie Watts this week. I say we're talking Reggie Watts this week. We're talking about everything. Okay, we're talking about everything Disgrace Land, Under the Sun, any of these episodes. We're releasing so much content. We have so many different conversations going on. I feel like it's, it's kind of useless for me to try and just, uh, yeah, call, you know, qualify the whole week around one conversation. There's a gazillion conversations going on. 617-906-6638. You can hit me up about anything. Last week, we, uh, and this is apropos for the whole month. We had this great conversation going on about evil in music. This voicemail on that subject comes from Adam in Texas.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  Hey Jake, Adam from Texas, currently in Maryland. And I say this after watching news and everything and your thing about people pretending to be what they aren't. And I can't help but be bowled over, which is they overall, so posers, liars, the sick old people. And it's just people needed to be true to who they are. And the people that are posers and trying to be, oh, I'm Satan worshiping and all this other stuff just for money. It's the same with the whole Christian values thing of people that claim one thing and they're doing something else. And it's just like, yeah, sure. Fill your pockets with all the money and all the gold and all the things. Well, you're all shitting

• 21:05Speaker 03

  us all with just messages of this and that. And it's just sad commentary on everything we're seeing right now in this post-truth reality that we have all been served with. And I just, you know, want to crawl in a hole and, you know, cry myself to sleep at the same time. It's just the world that we're in right now. We're just trying to make the best of what we got. But we just have to try to soldier on and only way to, to the end of everything is through it. So, you know, that's life. Anyway, love this show. Love you guys. Bye.

• 21:40Jake Brennan?

  Adam, thanks for the call, my man. Adam, do not despair. Do not despair. Listen, there's beauty everywhere. I know, I understand you're discouraged. I get it. We all get discouraged. I read the whole paper yesterday, Sunday paper, and you know, my head was spinning by the end of it. But still, there is beauty everywhere. There is beauty in art. There is beauty in music. There is beauty in film. There's, there might be beauty right outside your door right now that you're just, you're, you're so beaten down by the news of the day or whatever it is, the, the posers that you're talking about, all the bullshit that's out there. It's some, it's fucking, sometimes it just feels like you're like, uh, what's that Star Wars scene? Matt, Matt will know, where they're in that garbage compactor and they're being closed in from the sides and the shit's coming up from the bottom. It's all just about to consume you. I'm telling you, man, I know that feeling. I know it

• 22:24Jake Brennan?

  well. But I also know, because I do so much fucking research constantly, and my head is in history, just as much, if not more than it is in the now. And things are different. Sure, we can define things as we want to define them for the modern day. But there has always been a mountain of bullshit, a torrent of bullshit coming at us constantly. Okay. And we do have the ability to see past it. It takes, takes a lot to do sometimes. I'm with you. Uh, but there is beauty out there and, and I hope you can find it, man. You go watch a great horror movie. Watch a slasher movie. Watch somebody, you know, murdering somebody and the ridiculousness of it and get a good laugh out of it or something. I don't know. Keep listening to Disgrace Land. Call back, Adam. Hope you're feeling better,

• 23:08Jake Brennan?

  my man. You know, Adam touches upon this thing that really, I was thinking about this weekend. Like, I don't want to be inspiring despair with this content. And I kind of feel like I gotta find a way to overtly inspire the opposite of that. I have to, I have to somehow use these stories or find other stories or bits of these stories anecdotes to inspire people to look at people who are doing great things in this world and have done great things historically. And you know, I was, I was also thinking about this because of the Mary Ann Faithfull episode that I just wrote, which is largely a Rolling Stones story. And Mary Ann Faithfull's story is, is really fucked up. She ends up being a true casualty of rock and roll. Her life goes, it goes from the absolute tippity top

• 23:49Jake Brennan?

  to the complete, like below, below, below the bottom. And throughout all that, there was actually some, some greatness in a lot of beauty. And I hope I did a good job of expressing that. I'm not sure I did. But I did, I did sort of land at this place of, um, yo dude, there's beauty out there and you need to call that out, just like you're calling out the darkness. And even with the Reggie Watts story this, from this week, it's very dark. It's very, very, very dark. But when it comes to what Reggie Watts actually made, uh, when it comes to his art, his comedy, his music, I give it up to the guy because there's never been anyone like him before and his fans are legion and they are fanatical

• 24:33Jake Brennan?

  for, for a reason. Anyhow, it's that balance, that tension that's always there. Adam, you know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the call, brother. This one, let's check in with the 681.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Hey Jake, buddy. Love what you do, man. Learned a whole bunch. Uh, slary from Western Kenya. I grew up on tour with, following the Grateful Dead with my folks. And I loved your episode about, uh, the Grateful Dead, but like I guess double episode. Uh, but one thing, uh, a rumor that I always heard growing up was that, uh, Greg Allman was an informant and, uh, actually went on the witness stand and allowed one of his roadies or a driver of some sort to take the rap for a drug bust that was actually his. And the guy served some serious time over it. And, uh, I was just wondering if that was

• 25:29Speaker 03

  true. And if you, if so, uh, you could touch on it and do an episode about it, maybe. All right, brother. Appreciate you. Much love.

• 25:38Jake Brennan?

  All right, 681. Listen, man, ask and you shall receive. There is an Allman Brothers episode. It's available before you right now. And it is complicated. When it comes to Greg Allman, it is, uh, it's a complicated story, my man. And, uh, we released this, uh, to our all access members about two, three years ago, something like that. But it's, we brought it out into the wide feed a couple of months ago. It's there for you. Want to check that out? Appreciate you, Larry. Thanks for listening. All right, let's check out this message from BL in the 443.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Hey Jake, my name is BL. Just a few letters, D L. I love the podcast. I found it by way of my favorite murder. And I am like binging it nonstop ever since I found it. I just got through, I'm still in 2022, just got through the big fucking Charles Manson saga. That was awesome. Uh, anyways, I noticed you haven't done Tiny Tim. You should do Tiny Tim because he's fucking insane in the best way possible. Uh, he had a run in with Charles Manson. Pretty sure he was mobbed up and he basically died on stage and the dude was fucking crazy, uh, in a very, very unusual way. And, uh, yeah, he was a pedophile and that's really unfortunate. So, uh, anyways, very unique character. Um, and I would be

• 26:52Speaker 03

  so fascinated to hear you, uh, put your spin on it. So, uh, podcast is awesome. Life changing, amazing, groundbreaking. God damn it. Stick it up my ass. Thank you.

• 27:03Jake Brennan?

  Oh my God, BL, my head's spinning. Tiny Tim was a pedophile? How did I not know this? How did I not know any of this? I don't know any of this, BL. And I'm kind of, I started researching a new episode this morning that I can't stop now because I got about six hours invested into it. But now I'm like, fuck, man. Should have done Tiny Tim. I'm putting Tiny Tim on the list. I think a friend of mine, I won't mention his name because if what you say about Tiny Tim is true, he, I don't know that he want, would want this out there, but an old, old friend of mine, guy I'm no longer that close with, uh, knew Tiny Tim toward the end of his life. What's that all about? BL, appreciate you.

• 27:44Jake Brennan?

  617-906-6638, voicemail and text. I appreciate all you guys. This is why we do this. You're turning me on to stuff here that, uh, I didn't know was, was out there story wise. And, uh, I love it. 412 writes in, hey Jake, love the show. Still catching up a little bit. So it may have been mentioned already, but if not, any intention of doing an episode on the rise and apparent fall of Jelly Roll. A lot of people saying he nuked his career. Anyway, keep up the excellent content. I don't know much about Mr. Jelly Roll. Is it Mr. Roll or Mr. Jelly Roll? I know he's got some tattoos and I think he was in prison, but I really don't know anything about it. And, uh, I don't know, 412. I'll put him on the list. 214 texts in Jake, here's a random selection of songs that takes me back

• 28:28Jake Brennan?

  to God. Not a fan of Christian power ballads. Neither am I. 214. Uh, 214 goes on to say, check out gospel blues where the lyrics are scripture. Uh, this might be AI. I don't know. It's a brilliant max, mashup of genres. PS, there's Led Zeppelin cover tucked in there for you that you may not have heard. Rock and roll from Sam. Sam, appreciate you. I listen to gospel music, more specifically gospel bluegrass, pretty much every Sunday morning. I try to anyways. I love that stuff. Gets me in the right, the right mode, the right frame of mind for Sundays. 480 writes in, hey, just listened to your Queen episode. Given that you said you have your jazz LP insert framed on your wall, I had to share.

• 29:09Jake Brennan?

  And the 480 sends in a photo of his or her, actually his, this is Johnny Zap, framed photo from the, uh, from the jazz album, the insert. And, uh, looks an awful lot like mine, I gotta say. Black frame. You get kind of a gold insert there. Man, I don't know what happened to mine. I gotta find it. Gotta find it. Pre-kids wall art. Not sure it's appropriate. Anyways, uh, Johnny Zap goes on to say, blown away by the number of people that do not know what this is. Uh, come on, people. Johnny Zap. Johnny Zap, appreciate you, man. Thanks for the photo. Johnny Zap's referencing the Queen episode.

• 29:52Jake Brennan?

  Guys, if you haven't heard that, check that out. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. Get at me with whatever you want to discuss. We'll be back right after this with your emails and more Disgrace Land.

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• 31:17Jake Brennan?

  Oh, man, quite the saga in the studio today. Had this errant buzz going on. These gremlins, ghosts in the machine, couldn't figure it out. Wasted about an hour dicking around with cables, texting with Matt, who's had it up to here with this bullshit. And I don't blame him, I have as well. Anyways, I think we got it figured out. Who the fuck knows? Speaking of gremlins, you ever see that Twilight Zone episode? William Shatner, it's one of my faves. Check it out if you haven't seen it. [email protected]. You want to get at me on the email machine. Fascinating, fascinating email here from Joshua Blevins.

• 31:58Jake Brennan?

  Joshua writes in, "Subject: AI Music Bot Firm Conspiracy. Saw this, and I've seen many comments about the conspiracy that the music industry has been doing the same thing. Was wondering your thoughts on that." Joshua has included a link to a United States Attorney's Office, Southern District of New York, press release headline, "North Carolina Musician Charged With Music Streaming Fraud Aided By Artificial Intelligence." Basically, the charge here is that musicians are using AI to inflate their streams and thus their career. Joshua goes on to say, "Also, I really got into an AI music creation last year, it's come a long way. I hope it never replaces actual musicians."

• 32:42Jake Brennan?

  I wanted to use Joshua's email here to tee up a little bit of a conversation about artificial intelligence with you guys. Now, obviously, people using AI to inflate, artists using AI to inflate their music streams and use that for nefarious criminal purposes, fraud. You know what I mean? We just did this little Quincy Jones episode and fraud was a big part of it. Obviously, that's fucked up. AI is something that we're constantly talking about around here because basically, everybody's talking about it. And in a lot of ways, AI drives me absolutely crazy. I think that what they're selling us, as far as what AI can do for creatives,

• 33:24Jake Brennan?

  is bullshit, coming and going. What they, what they promise it can do for us, what it can create for us is bullshit. I don't think it can actually create anything that can supplant what humans can create when it comes to art. Can it create efficiencies? Of course. And I also don't buy into the doom and gloom of it all either. That's a whole other conversation. However, all of that said, everybody's going to be using this, everybody. Everybody is going to be using this. And I don't care what people's attitudes are about it right now when it comes to art and creativity. Artists are going to be using AI at scale.

• 34:09Jake Brennan?

  I can tell you from conversations I'm having around different projects that are happening in Hollywood, it's all going in this direction. Anybody who works in Hollywood and is being honest with you, despite how the streamers and the studios are, despite what they're putting out there as far as like, you know, we're trying to protect artists, blah, blah, blah. They're all moving towards using AI to replace humans. The reason this doesn't scare me is because I don't believe you can make anything compelling with artificial intelligence without a super heavy human hand when it comes to art and creativity. You might be able to make a movie with Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise driving in a car, talking to each other, and it looks like Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise,

• 34:53Jake Brennan?

  but it's completely devoid of any artistic POV or merit. And it will never have that POV or that merit unless humans are involved. And there's no magic wand that you can wave at it and take five seconds to write a movie script. It just can't be done. And I don't see it being done anytime soon. And that might be naive, but it's certainly fascinating. I don't think it's naive, but I do think it's fascinating. And I'm interested in figuring out how this is going to be used for creatives, for writers like myself, for podcasters like myself, and in film, because I'm already seeing it. And I'm seeing it in ways, not in sloppy ways.

• 35:37Jake Brennan?

  What was that show I really liked on HBO? DTF St. Louis. There's AI scenes in that, in that, in that series that come and go really quickly. You don't even really notice them. And I didn't hate them. You know what I mean? Again, it wasn't slop. Now, I can't stand the slop, there's a ton of slop. And if there, it's just like, we're in this really weird space right now. It's like, people are just completely allergic to the topic, and I get it, I understand it, right? And then people are being completely disingenuous about it as well. And I'm really fascinated to see where we land with this. Anyways, Joshua Blevins, Disco Joshua Blevins, thank you for teeing up this conversation. You guys want to tee up any conversation about anything we're talking here in Disgraceland?

• 36:22Jake Brennan?

  [email protected] is how you email me. All right, guys, it's a spooky season. Lots of Halloween talk in the Hollywoodland feed with Dr. Lundy and myself. Our recommendations, make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland so you get the full scope of everything we're talking about here in the Double Elvis world every week. Zeth, we have three, yeah, three drops in Hollywoodland every week. The archive episode, the screening room, and the wrap party. Go to Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio app, wherever you listen to podcasts, make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland and join that conversation. Now, Zeth and I, as I mentioned earlier, are having another conversation, this one specifically

• 37:04Jake Brennan?

  about great music in horror movies. That's coming up right now. Got to be an All Access member to hear that. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an All Access member, get exclusive content just like this, plus ad-free listening. Now, before we get to that, All Access members, you're getting a new, this film should be played loud, and you're getting it soon. Talking Shaun of the Dead. Again, go to disgracelandpod.com to make sure you're getting all of our Double Elvis content. Back after this.

• 37:51Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. And as I mentioned, every week, we have a vast archive of episodes. A lot of you don't know what we got in the archive. And there's a ton of, ton of content in there, ton of artists that we cover, as demonstrated by that caller earlier who didn't realize we have an Allman Brothers story. Lots of stuff, get into the archive, hit me up, [email protected], 617-906-6638, voicemail and text if you have specific questions about artists, and I can point you in the right direction. All right, let's recap, then I get out of here, all right? Number one, this week, our new episode on Reggie Watts that's available for you to check out right now. Number two, in the rewind slot this weekend, our classic episode on Madonna next week coming up. Our new episode, our next new episode, that's on Shannon Hoon. Number four, Zeth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland podcast, so make sure you are subscribed.

• 38:36Jake Brennan?

  I give you my music recommendations every week in the wrap party. Number five, the new current This Film Should Be Played Loud video podcast episode on Shaun of the Dead is available now, so check that out. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an All Access member and unlock exclusive content just like this, along with ad-free listening. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget, discos, this isn't just content, it's community, a community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, back on March 28th, 2026, Reggie Watts' ex-girlfriend, Catherine McCullough,

• 39:19Jake Brennan?

  died by suicide, setting off a lot of questions into the musician slash comedian's treatment and alleged abuse. And this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Chosen Texas, Ella Langley. Last week, one, peak position, one. Weeks on chart, four. Number two, Man I Need, Olivia Dean. Last week, two, peak position, two. Weeks on chart, thirty. Number three, I Just Might, Bruno Mars. Last week, three, peak position, one. Weeks on charts, ten. Number four, Orthers, Alexei Kravitz.

• 40:02Jake Brennan?

  Last week, five, peak position, one. Weeks on chart, fifty-six. Number five, Gold, which is not a disaster.

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