Bonus: Real “Emo” Notes from the Punk Rock Museum, DIY Recording, and More Bobby Fuller

Notes on the emotional impact from Jake’s trip to the Punk Rock Museum, Bobby Fuller and DIY recording recs, plus your voicemails, texts, dms, and emails on how Bobby died and more. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:13Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The After Party. Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story.

• 2:57Jake Brennan?

  On this bonus episode, I give you my thoughts on my visit to the Punk Rock Museum in Las Vegas, some home recording recommendations, your takes on Bobby Fuller's death with your emails, comments, DMs, voicemails, texts, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it. So no one ever called Bobby Fuller punk rock because he existed before punk rock, though

• 3:41Jake Brennan?

  one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time further popularized his song, I Fought the Law. I'm talking about The Clash, of course. Bobby Fuller was not punk. Again, he was from the early to mid 1960s, but he was very punk rock in the way that he created his music. He was one of the first DIY artists at the time when that wasn't a thing at all. He created a real home studio in his parents' modest suburban home, so a lot of punk rock exists in Bobby Fuller. And I was thinking of Bobby Fuller this past weekend when I visited the Punk Rock Museum in Las Vegas. When I was there, I had an experience that I didn't think I would have.

• 4:20Jake Brennan?

  I became strangely emotional, like legit trying not to cry emotional from being there. Laura Jane Grace from Against Me was our tour guide, and she was fantastic. She said this thing that really crystallized the feeling I was having while on that tour. She said that punk rock is about broken people, broken kids coming together and being put back together again by punk rock. It's so true. It really stuck with me. It doesn't matter if we're talking about punk rock kids from the New York scene, the LA scene, the Boston hardcore scene, the Bay Area, whatever. We were all misfits and most of us were latchkey kids.

• 5:05Jake Brennan?

  It didn't matter where we came from, our race, our sexuality, our gender, how much money our parents did or didn't have. When we went to those all ages shows, we were finally part of a community. We finally identified as something other than the fuckups that we were told that we were. Now, sensing that feeling, that crystallization of that idea, I always knew this, obviously, but a lot of that has become lost in the last 20 or 30 years of punk rock as we've gotten older. And some of us, myself included, have become more cynical when we think about what punk rock has become. It's obviously a massive business, this huge thing, but you're so reminded of the foundational,

• 5:50Jake Brennan?

  that foundational spark that punk rock gave you when you're inside the Punk Rock Museum in Las Vegas because of all the ephemera and the tactile nature of all the ephemera that's surrounding you. When you're looking at Johnny Thunders' guitar, you're looking at homemade flyers by Raymond Pettibone for Black Flag, you're looking at these amazing zines, Suburban Voice from Massachusetts, What's Up Al Quint, Maximum Rock and Roll from the Bay Area, all these flyers, all this, Joe Strummer's last bag of grass is there in a case. You're literally looking at Mike Ness's living room, the artifacts from his living room. You're looking at the sofa, the studio sofa anyways, that Kurt Cobain nodded out on.

• 6:35Jake Brennan?

  And all of that, it gives you this feeling, you really feel what it felt like to be in those rooms back then and to have those experiences. And I'm not trying to suggest that this is only for people who hung out with Kurt Cobain in the studio or Mike Ness in Social Distortion in Mike's living room. If you're into punk rock, if you're into DIY music, if you're putting things together in the same way that these other scene kids were, then you were using the same materials. You were sitting on the same furniture. Your living room felt like Mike Ness's living room. Your garage space that you practiced in felt like the space, I think it's the No Effects

• 7:17Jake Brennan?

  space, their garage, or the Pennywise garage that they recreate in the Punk Rock Museum. You know, you feel it is my point. All the tactile nature of everything on display, it connected me back to that emotion in a very real way. It was an insane emotional feeling that I had. And it wasn't nostalgia. I mean, I guess it kind of was on some level nostalgia, but more than that, it was gratitude. This feeling of, I feel so lucky to have found this scene and the people in my life who were part of that scene then, who taught me at a young age during those very formative

• 7:58Jake Brennan?

  years, taught me how to look at the world differently in a way that allowed me to value myself and who I was and the music that I loved, which people told me was shit and that it was crap and that it wasn't mainstream or whatever, that fucking dumb, tired bullshit argument that we all laugh at now. It doesn't apply anymore, but back then, it did matter. I felt grateful because all of that led me to where I am now. I had this other thought too. The museum and the tour are set up so that you start at the beginning of punk rock with the New York Dolls and with Iggy Pop, sort of pre-punk. And then you're quickly, a couple of years further down the line in the 70s with the

• 8:42Jake Brennan?

  Ramones and Blondie and Talking Heads. And then you're in Europe with the Sex Pistols and The Clash. Then you're in LA with Black Flag, and then New York hardcore, Boston hardcore, the Bay Area, all that stuff. You go through the whole thing chronologically and you're traveling all over the world as punk rock traveled. And I had this feeling again out of gratitude, like not to be name dropy or anything, but I had real experiences with so many of these artists that helped form me. And I never really think about them because these artists are giants to me. I've met and had real experiences with so many of them. I'm so lucky.

• 9:24Jake Brennan?

  I mean, I shared a laugh with David Johansson backstage at, I think it was a Patti Smith show. I talked myself on, not talked, I just bum rushed the stage at a Patti Smith show at Carnegie Hall and was singing backup vocals. I met the Ramones, for God's sake, when I was 10 years old and a couple of them later on when I was an adult. I once went for a walk with Debbie Harry through Lower Manhattan. I recorded with John Doe from X. I toured with John Doe. I literally once went to a bar to meet John Lydon, Johnny Rotten, and have a drink with him. You know, I, I never really think of these things unless I'm talking to my kids, you know, and, you know, I talk about how I played with Blink 182 once or whatever,

• 10:06Jake Brennan?

  you know, these are just things that happened in my life and I'm very grateful for them. I really am. I truly am. And I don't think of them enough with enough gratitude because these experiences helped form me, just as all the other experiences before I kind of was even in a band and I was just, I was just a fan and when I was putting my own zine together, when I was going to matinees and just walking through that museum, it's just, it's just, damn, you know, I just felt blessed. And so many of us are. And my experiences are not that unique. I'm not trying to be name drop-y again, or present them as, as such, you know, I'm just struck by how important this culture, this music

• 10:49Jake Brennan?

  is to me, this scene, this community, you know, I always, I always knew that, obviously, but it just really hit me over the head when I was there. And I mean it. I was, I was trying not to cry. And Laura Jane Grace was just fucking incredible. Like she nailed the tour and then she played at the end of this thing. And I mean, it was, it was heavy. I did not expect that. I'm just, I'm so impressed with how the ethos of punk and DIY culture and hardcore came across in this, in this museum. You know, this idea that we were all broken and punk rock put us back together again. You know, if I never ran

• 11:32Jake Brennan?

  with, with punk rock music, in hardcore music and wasn't in a hardcore band, my, my life would not be what it is now. I don't think it would be as rich and I don't think it would be as rewarding. And it just, the museum really blew me away. I cannot, cannot recommend it highly enough. If you're in Las Vegas, make sure you check, check them out. Punk Rock Museum. You know, and again, where this all started, if Bobby Fuller was born, I don't know, 10, 15 years later, he would have been a punk kid. He would have been DIY. He would have, he would have been in that world and he would have made his own music and he wouldn't have had a fuck with dangerous men from the music industry and ended up how, how things ended for him. You know, we, a lot of people, we talked about

• 12:16Jake Brennan?

  this in the Bobby Fuller episode, and a lot of people don't know this. I certainly didn't know this, but it was one of the things that was sold to me by my old bandmate Seth Goodman back in the day, when he was, he was trying to sell me on Bobby Fuller and to go listen to him. He had that, what was that, Bear Family record label compilation. And I remember him telling me how Bobby Fuller recorded his own stuff, kind of did everything. He was his own little rock and roll impresario. And when I was researching Bobby Fuller for this episode, I was really blown away with how he went about recording himself in an era when it was not easy. Not only was it not easy, it wasn't really even accepted. And he literally turned his parents' suburban home into a recording studio. And this is

• 13:01Jake Brennan?

  not, Bobby Fuller did not grow up rich. He didn't even really grow up middle class. It was more working class. And the home was a small home and he, you know, he like, you know, got into the drywall and built, built a control room with a window facing the live room, which was the living room, built his own echo chamber outside of the house, attached it like adjacent to the house. Just really incredible stuff. And again, that wasn't accepted then. Wasn't done and it wasn't accepted. It wasn't until really, you know, the eighties, I guess, not even really. I mean, the eighties, you know, the, the Ramones and all the, the sort of downtown bands could rent these like, you know, massive loss for

• 13:45Jake Brennan?

  cheap in New York. And that's how, that's why those sounds, those songs, those songs by those bands had those massive drum sounds and big guitar sounds. And then it wasn't really until the nineties at the home recording, the lofi thing, the sebadoes, all the pavements, all that stuff, kind of like, kind of took off and became really accepted, I guess, is the word. And then, you know, in the early 2000s, the early aughts, the 2010s, you know, when everything kind of started to be able to happen on your laptop, you get the whole electro clash thing happening in New York and, and, you know, that leads to the LCD sound system and all that. So this stuff fascinates me, the way it evolves over time. Zeph and I, in the exclusive section of the after party, are going to go through some

• 14:29Jake Brennan?

  of our, our favorite recommendations from sort of the home recording verse, the home recording universe. And we promise there'll be some revealing stuff in here, some revelatory stuff that hopefully you're not aware of, or wouldn't think of, that'll send you down a rabbit hole. And, you know, we're just going to recommend some cool shit to you. That's in the, that conversation's happening in the exclusive section of this episode. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to unlock exclusive and ad-free content like this. Become part of our all-access disgraceland community.

• 15:00Jake Brennan?

  All right. So Bobby Fuller in the feed this week, in our latest episode of Disgraceland. If you haven't heard it, you got to understand that Bobby Fuller was worth more dead than alive to his record label Delphi Records, because at the time Bobby Fuller was all that Delphi Records had. But Bobby Fuller was going to leave, at least that was the rumor, he was going to leave Delphi Records for Atlantic Records. And this wasn't just a rumor. Comes, I believe it comes from his brother Randy. There was a meeting between Bobby Fuller and Ahmet Ergen in New York City. Now, it's believed that notorious Genovese family connected businessman Morris Levy had unofficially taken control of Delphi

• 15:42Jake Brennan?

  Records and that Levy had personally invested in Bobby in exchange for the rights to Bobby's hit song, Let Her Dance. So if Bobby Fuller were to leave Delphi Records, the label would be done. Again, he was all that the label had. So not only would the label be done, but Morris Levy's control of Delphi would be worthless. However, Delphi Records had a million dollar insurance policy on Bobby Fuller. So if anything were to happen to Bobby Fuller, Delphi, or whoever controlled Delphi, would collect a million dollars. And if Bobby Fuller was going to leave Delphi for Atlantic and render Delphi virtually worthless, then

• 16:23Jake Brennan?

  some believe Bobby Fuller was worth more dead than alive. On the day he called a meeting with Delphi to inform them that he was leaving, he was found dead in his mother's Oldsmobile. So who killed Bobby Fuller? Okay. We uncover the truth in our new episode of Disgraceland. Check that out. That's the Bobby Fuller story. Now, if you love Bobby Fuller's version of I Fought the Law and early rock and roll's impact on punk rock, then again, this Bobby Fuller episode is going to blow your mind. Okay. That's at the top of our feed right now. Coming up next in the feed, right after this episode, this bonus episode, right after this, is our rewind episode this Sunday on Lil Peep. I'm not even sure if we've ever

• 17:05Jake Brennan?

  pulled this one out of the archive for you guys and put it in the rewind slot. If we have, it was only once and it was a long, long time ago. Great story. I love this story. In 2017, fans didn't find out Lil Peep died from a headline or a radio story. They found out from an Instagram story and not like just some fan posting about his death. Okay. Lil Peep and two of his fans, while he was at a show, they headed to his tour bus to get high. The bus was a mess, as you would expect. There was a little bit of a party going on. Peep was handed a Xanax and he swallowed it and he passed out. His new friends, two of his fans, they kept partying, they kept laughing, they kept fucking around, texting their friends. Oh, we're hanging out with a rock star, blah, blah, blah, posting on

• 17:50Jake Brennan?

  their socials, all that stuff. And sometime afterward, Lil Peep lost consciousness and he stopped breathing. And he had fallen victim to fentanyl, which had laced the Xanax that he was taking, that he had taken, excuse me. Now, this dude, Bexy, okay, one of Lil Peep's collaborators from the UK, he, he walked to the back of the bus. He saw Lil Peep passed out. It was close to showtime. He didn't check, Bexy did not check on Lil Peep to see if he was all right. Instead, the dude took out his phone and he instastoried himself with the passed out Lil Peep. Others, Lil Peep's fans, there on the bus, they did the

• 18:33Jake Brennan?

  same thing. They didn't know that Lil Peep wasn't passed out. Okay. It was much darker than that. You want to know more about this story? You want to know more about how Lil Peep died and how news of his death traveled in the crazy, modern world fuckery of all of this? You got to check out this Lil Peep episode. Also, side note, those of you who are, you know, punk rock, hardcore fans, you know, when I was at the punk rock museum, there's a discussion going on about how emo music today means something completely different than it did in the nineties. In the nineties, it was more connected to what it was in the

• 19:18Jake Brennan?

  eighties to write, Rights of Spring and embrace those great DC hardcore bands. In the nineties, bands like Texas is the Reason, Promise Ring, Piebald, J. June, Rye Coalition, I guess. It was, it was something else. That was kind of when I was around emo music. And I knew a lot of those people in those bands. I saw them all karate. Anyways, Lil Peep. Heavily, heavily, heavily influenced by emo. And we get into what emo is fully in this episode. And I'm pretty proud of the way we describe it and pull it together for you guys. So check that out. Little peep hitting your feeds next, right after this bonus episode. Then that's on Sunday and in the rewind slot.

• 20:03Jake Brennan?

  And then our next new episode next week is going to be on Quincy Jones. Now Quincy Jones, arguably the greatest music producer of all time, but towards the end of his life, Quincy Jones made some truly outrageous claims. You might've seen these when they were popping off. He said that the Beatles didn't play their instruments. His experience in the studio with Ringo Starr, that Ringo couldn't nail a simple four bar drum part, and that Quincy and George Martin had to bring in an ace jazz drummer, Ronnie Varela, to do what Ringo couldn't do. Quincy Jones also claimed that Michael Jackson stole a lot of songs. That's a direct quote. He said that Michael stole the bassline for Billie Jean from Donna Summer's State of Independence and that the notes don't lie, man. That's what Quincy said about Michael Jackson.

• 20:46Jake Brennan?

  He also claimed that Frank Sinatra was the reason that he, Quincy Jones, knew exactly who killed John F. Kennedy. So was Quincy Jones arguably the greatest producer of all time? Was he lying? Was he, was he lying about these musical crimes? Fraud, theft, murder, about the Beatles, about Michael Jackson, about Sinatra? We're going to find out in this upcoming episode. And we're going to get an accused life, just an incredible life. The dude was everywhere. He played with everybody, everybody, a true giant from music history and who, at the end of his career, had zero fucks to give and said whatever the hell he wanted. And oh my, it's glorious. I'm just scratching the surface here with this stuff about Michael Jackson and the Beatles and Frank Sinatra.

• 21:31Jake Brennan?

  We unpack all that in the episode, but there's so much more. So that's a Quincy Jones episode. When you're listening to this episode, be thinking about Quincy's connection to music's greatest artists, okay? And let us know if you believe that the claims that he's made, that we unpack, let us know if you think they're true or not, if you think he was lying. I want to know. I unpack it, I litigate it. I want to know what you guys think though. Side note, who is your favorite music producer? We've never asked this question. Which producer has made the records that you can't live without? 617-906-6638. I'll take your answers for either of those questions. Voicemail and text, email me, [email protected]. Hit me up at disgracelandpod on the socials. Discos, we're covering a lot of ground right now in Disgraceland this week with Bobby Fuller,

• 22:16Jake Brennan?

  punk rock, hardcore, emo, Quincy Jones. I want to hear from you guys. We're going to be back in a flash with your answers to last week's question of the week, your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more coming up right after this.

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• 23:37Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we're back. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. Question of the week from our Bobby Fuller episode. What do you think? Who killed him? Pretty simple. Do you believe my take? I want to know. Let's go to the 903.

• 23:54Speaker 06

  Well, Jake, I have to say, being a former journalist and just a general seeker of information and a historian where I've had to document things and everything, I think you did a very, very, very, very thorough job of drawing out the real story of Bobby Fuller's death and pretty eloquently put it together. And in my mind, there's no question of what happened to him. People, I guess, are covering their ass and everything like that in Texas, but that's Texas. So I grew up in Texas. I lived in Texas for the first, you know, like 40 plus years of my life. So I know Texas corruption pretty well. And of course, DC and stuff where I'm living now isn't that much better.

• 24:37Speaker 06

  But anyway, kudos to you for the job. Kudos for you for the story and the podcast and everything. You're honestly the only podcast that I pay to support anymore because, you know, things are not that great right now economically. But anyway, rock and roll, keep doing what you're doing. Bye.

• 24:55Jake Brennan?

  903, thank you so much for your call and thank you for support. Appreciate you being part of the Disgraceland All-Access Community and paying for that ad-free and exclusive content. And I have some good home recording recs for you in the exclusive section of the after-party coming up. But um, yeah, man, I'm shocked that this, this isn't common knowledge. I mean, it's pretty obvious to me when you get into the research. Appreciate you vibing on what we were saying and how we put the story together. I'm glad it resonated with you, 903. Thank you. Let's go to the 915.

• 25:27Speaker 06

  Hey, what's up, Disgraceland? Richie Valenzuela from El Paso, Texas. Man, the Bobby Fuller episode was jaw dropping. I knew the story being from El Paso, but I had no idea about all the extra layers. What's crazy to me is the manager, Bob Keen. He also managed Richie Valens, and after Richie died, Keen came to El Paso looking for young, dumb, Mexican-American talent. And instead, he found a genius, Bobby Fuller. Man, crazy episode. After hearing your episode, I can't wait but wonder how much Bob Keen really had to do with, to what happened to Bobby. Anyway, phenomenal story, phenomenal job. Love the podcast. Holla at you later. Richie V.

• 26:12Speaker 06

  Peace.

• 26:13Jake Brennan?

  Hey Richie, thanks for the call, man. My take on Bob Keen is that he was more kind of a bystander to the more powerful powers that be who were really controlling his record label, the distributor, and of course, the man from New York. Bob Keen, he lived. He lived to tell his story. That's kind of telling, whereas of course Bobby Fuller did not. Appreciate you, man. Thanks for the call. Lot of Texans chiming in. Let's go to the 361.

• 26:46Speaker 06

  What's up, Jake? This is Jessica down from 361, Corpus Christi, Texas, chiming in on the best super group ever. And it has to be hands down, my friend, The Highwaymen. That's all I have to say. Have a blessing, brother. Take care.

• 27:02Jake Brennan?

  Hard to argue with The Highwaymen, Jessica. Hard to, hard to argue with a Texan about The Highwaymen. I think that's how I should have put it. I gotta say, we got a Buddy Holly, "Day the Music Died," Richie Valens, Buddy Holly being from Texas, so I'm mentioning it here, episode, Doctor, good Dr. Lundy's working up right now. Maybe something on The Highwaymen in the future. I don't know. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. 404, text in, Bob Marley and the Wailers, "Bad Car" would be a great track for the Casino Mixtape. I stayed out of the casinos. I mean, I walked through them, of course, you can't avoid them. I don't gamble. I don't know. You know, I come from a whole family of gamblers.

• 27:45Jake Brennan?

  Everybody in my family gambles and I'm the one person who doesn't. In both families, my wife's family as well. It's strange. I don't know. I just have this aversion to it, except football. I bet on football. I don't know. I don't know how much of that I can talk about. I guess you can talk about it, right? 630 writes in, hey Jake, your comments about your early twenties mirroring John Cusack's movie roles reminded me of the great opening essay, "This is Emo," from Chuck Klosterman's book Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs. If you've never checked it out, please do. Thanks for everything you do. This is Rob from the 630. Rob from the 630, thank you. I don't know this book. I love Chuck when I hear him interviewed. And I read one of his books, I can't remember what it was called. I have it lying around behind me.

• 28:28Jake Brennan?

  I don't know where the hell it is, but I'm going to check this out because I got emo on the brain. And like I said, in the little peep episode coming up, we've got some good, we've got some good emo history coming at you. And we unpack that, this Cusack take more fully in the upcoming episode of This Film Should Be Played Loud, which hits next week on Gross Point Blank. You're not going to want to miss that. For those of you who do not know, This Film Should Be Played Loud is our monthly video podcast on the greatest music from the greatest movies. And we're doing Gross Point Blank, which the soundtrack is just a fucking banger. This is our second John Cusack movie. We've already done High Fidelity. You want to be, you want to hear this? You got to go to disgracelandpod.com, sign up, become an All-Access member to check that out.

• 29:13Jake Brennan?

  This one comes from Dee in Dallas. She says, hey, I just listened to the episode about Scorsese and other things. And there's a question about who is the best transition from music artist to actor? And hands down, Jared Leto. I will fight someone over that. Seriously, I'll die on this hill. It is absolutely not Will Smith. Definitely 100,000% Jared motherfucking Leto. But wasn't Jared Leto an actor before he was a musician? Not a musician who turned actor like Will Smith? Also, I don't know if you're going to be happy about this, Dee. Sounds like you're a Jared Leto 30 Seconds to Mars fan, but we've got a Jared Leto episode coming up.

• 29:57Jake Brennan?

  And I gotta say, the shit I'm finding in the research is fucking disgusting. And there's a torrent of this information out there. That's kind of the, the one theme I've found so far is that this information is abundant. First person sourced in addition to tons and tons, even stuff people are sending me, their experiences. Never mind the tons and tons of stuff on Reddit and just, you know, it's, I kind of don't even know what to do with it all, you know? But I'll figure it out. Don't worry about it. And you know, if I piss you off, Dee, apologies. Just remember, we got a whole bunch of other episodes where I don't piss you off. All right.

• 30:42Jake Brennan?

  Get at me, guys. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. Question of the week. Next week's gonna be about Quincy Jones. Do you believe him? Is he lying? Is he making that shit up? Sub-question: Who's your favorite music producer? Who made the records you can't live without? That's what I want to know. 617-906-6638. Trying to keep up with the DMs on Instagram. I feel like I'm doing a better job than normal lately. At DisgraceLandPod. Things are popping over there. Get on over. Give us a follow. Follow us on X and TikTok. Been a little more active there lately. Facebook. Got some login problems, but we're figuring it out. At DisgraceLandPod on the socials is what I'm saying.

• 31:24Jake Brennan?

  Now, we all know Michael Jackson's Thriller, but did you know that Thriller, one of the greatest, most important records ever recorded, almost never happened because its producer, Quincy Jones, almost died in 1974? That was the year that he had a brain aneurysm. Doctors gave Quincy Jones a 1% chance of surviving. His friends, Marvin Gaye, Richard Pryor, among them, began planning Quincy Jones's memorial service for him. That's how dire things were, but Quincy Jones survived. And not only went on to produce Michael Jackson's first three albums, including Thriller, but he also produced many, many others, and he became the most Grammy-nominated artist in history.

• 32:06Jake Brennan?

  80 nominations and 28 wins, but all that nearly didn't happen. Can you imagine pop history without Thriller, without Quincy Jones? I can't, and I'm glad we don't have to. And I can't wait for you to hear our new episode on Quincy Jones coming up next week. Coming up after this break, your emails.

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• 33:37Jake Brennan?

  All right, this one comes from Jeff Smith. "Hey, JJ Smitty, living in Osaka, Japan. I went from thinking your show was just gossip to loving it." Loving is in all caps. Keep on rocking and rolling. First of all, before I read the rest of your email here, JJ Smitty, whatever gave you the impression that DisgraceLand was gossip? This is a very serious question. I'm not just picking bones, picking nits.

• 34:02Jake Brennan?

  I want to know. Is this something you heard? Certainly not the episodes. You can tell that they're all very well researched. Who told you that? Because I'm going to fucking find them.

• 34:13Jake Brennan?

  No, I'm not. I just want to know. Okay, JJ Smitty goes on to say, "As a native New Yorker, no doubt Bobby Fuller got released from any obligations." Quote-unquote. "Bobby talked too much and threatened, and that was it. Sad story because getting ripped off happened and happens to so many young artists, and they really have no help. Bobby was from Texas, which meant at the time that he knew nothing about the entertainment business in New York or LA. Just too bad. Rock-a-roller, you're a bad man. All the best and continued success, JJ Smitty." JJ Smitty, you are absolutely right. You nailed it. You nailed it. Texans have that thing about them. I read this in a Mario Puzo book years ago. That's sort of, you know, everything's bigger in Texas.

• 34:56Jake Brennan?

  I feel like Texans have that imbued in them in the same way, you know, us from the Northeast have this like smart-ass thing in us. You know, I don't even really notice it until like, get out of New England. And I think Bobby Fuller had brass balls. I really do. And I felt like, I think he felt like he could take over the world and he could stand up to guys in New York, in LA. And did not happen. Sad. Sad stuff. [email protected]. Go and hit us up. Talk about anything. Listen, Zeth and I are going to be talking about home recording recommendations. Now, I'm not talking about like gear you use at home to record. I'm talking about home recordings that were turned into great art.

• 35:40Jake Brennan?

  We're going to get into that on the exclusive section of this after-party coming up right now. Go to DisgraceLandPod.com to sign up, become an All-Access member. Unlock ad-free listening and exclusive content just like this by supporting the show. And it's not expensive. It's very reasonably priced. I know things are tough right now. I get it. This little extra bit of support every month that helps us make extra content. And that's what you guys want. So go to DisgraceLandPod.com to sign up. We appreciate it. Before we get there, however, I almost forgot. I'm going to tell you about Hollywood Land. You know about Hollywood Land? It's our Hollywood and True Crime podcast that Zeth helms. We've got archive episodes. We've got Will Smith in the feed this week.

• 36:22Jake Brennan?

  Zeth's hitting you two times a week in the Hollywood Land feed with the Rap Party with my recommendations as well. And the Screening Room. This weekend, we're all going to be watching Tony Scott's Enemy of the State, which is probably my favorite Will Smith movie. Fantastic movie. Love this movie. Early Jack Black. So make sure you're subscribed to Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts, because this whole conversation I'm doing here, it's happening in a different way over there. Different conversation, more conversation. That's my point. Like I said earlier, this film should be played loud. Our new episode on Gross Point Blank, that hits next week. Okay, DisgraceLandPod.com to sign up. Make sure you're an All-Access member so you can cop that video episode. And of course, get the bonus section of the after-party as well that I teased earlier

• 37:07Jake Brennan?

  that I'm about to get into right now with Dr. Zeth Lundie. All right, coming up right after this.

• 37:24Jake Brennan?

  All right, we're back. We're ready to split. Before we do, just want to say thank you. And, you know, appreciate you guys as always. Newbies, new DisgraceLand listeners, you want more DisgraceLand? Whole archive, nearly 300 episodes on basically every artist you can think of. Get in there. You've got questions, hit me up. [email protected]. I will answer them. I will point you in the right direction. All right? Let's recap. Number one, this week, our new episode on Bobby Fuller is available for you right now. Number two, in the Rewind slot this weekend, our classic episode on Lil Peep. Number three, next week, coming up, our next new episode on Quincy Jones. Number four, Zeth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywood Land. So make sure you're subscribed, and I give you my music recommendations in the Rap Party over in the Hollywood Land feed.

• 38:09Jake Brennan?

  Again, subscribe to Hollywood Land. Number five, this film should be played loud. Video podcast episode on Licorice Pizza. That's available now, and our next new episode on Gross Point Blank is coming September 30th. That's next week. Go to DisgraceLandPod.com to sign up to become an All-Access member and unlock exclusive content just like this, along with ad-free listening. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week. Who's your favorite music producer? Or with whatever else you want to talk about. Hit us up. Let us know. Number seven, don't forget Discos. This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed, and no one cares about music books, records, and the crime and grime.

• 38:52Jake Brennan?

  It ties them all together like you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, back on July 18th, 1966, Bobby Fuller's body was discovered in a parking lot. And this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Hanky Panky, Tommy James and the Shondells. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, eight. Number two, Wild Thing, The Trox. Last week, two. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, five. Number three, Little Red Riding Hood, Sam the Sham and the Fairgrounds. Last week, nine. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, seven.

• 39:34Jake Brennan?

  Number four, The Pied Piper, Crispian St. Peters. Last week, 12. Peak position, four. Weeks on chart, seven. Number five, you don't have to say weeks on chart.

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  I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week, I bring on an amazing guest. Ooh, I scam them. What? I could talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper, like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.