Bonus Episode: Underrated and Influential Women From Music History, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees, and our Inductee Picks

Why are women criminally absent from most of Rolling Stone Magazine’s list of 100 Greatest Artists? Your voicemails and texts on who you think the most badass women from music history are. Plus, our take on which Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame nominees are getting inducted this year. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:42Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The After Party.

• 3:08Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call "The After Party." This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission: to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we discuss criminally underrated female rock stars, get your thoughts on the most influential women from music history, preview next week's episode on the Libertines, Pete Dougherty, and the murder he is alleged by some to have been a part of. And in the exclusive section, we dive into this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees and let you know who we think is going to be inducted. Plus, get into your

• 3:51Jake Brennan?

  emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 4:15Jake Brennan?

  Okay, in this week's episode of Disgrace Land, we cover the incredible early career of Chrissie Hyne from The Pretenders, a woman who charged through all of the obstacles that were set before her and didn't stop until she got what she wanted, which wasn't just rock stardom, it was really, she wanted to be free. She wanted freedom. She wanted freedom from her suburban surroundings. She wanted something bigger from this life. And liberation through art, through rock and roll, which I don't care what era we are talking about, guys, it is no easy task. Now, if you haven't heard our full episode on Chrissie Hyne, you're about to get some spoilers here. So I encourage you to go back

• 4:58Jake Brennan?

  just one story in the feed and check that episode out. But if you have already heard it, then you know that Chrissie Hyne from The Pretenders, their singer, that she was also nearly a member of The Clash. She was also nearly a member of The Sex Pistols and of The Damned. This blew my mind. Another fun fact, her and Pretenders guitar player James Honeyman Scott discovered the Violent Femmes. Chrissie Hyne, as we outline in our story, overcame violent attacks in London, bullets at Kent State, and way more to eventually

• 5:38Jake Brennan?

  create The Pretenders. The Pretenders, The Pretenders, a great rock and roll band with a front woman who sported one of the most badass, indelible, and identifiable images in rock history. Seriously, in the 1980s, when The Pretenders started hitting the charts for real, showing up on MTV with their early hits, Back on the Chain Gang, Middle of the Road, I ask you this in all sincerity, who was cooler than Chrissie Hyne at that time? Who? No one. No one. That's who.

• 6:12Jake Brennan?

  She had those low black bangs, super dark eyeliner. She's like a bizarro world Debbie Harry in Ohio, Tom Petty by way of London. Chrissy Hynde anyways, from The Pretenders, defined effortless, cool in artistry. And in this week's full episode on Chrissy, I asked the question, who is the coolest, most badass, influential female musician from rock and roll history? And this is a, this is not an easy question, a super hard question. And we're going to try to answer it today with your voicemails, your texts and your emails coming up. But before that, I thought we'd look at what the experts think. Because guys, news flash, the experts, they usually don't know shit.

• 6:55Jake Brennan?

  Before we dive in, I should mention though, that I'm putting this episode together here in Austin, Texas at Self by Southwest, where most of the great music I saw over this, these last few nights, was, or days and nights, I should say, was from women. I saw an intimate set with Norah Jones and Annie from, from St. Vincent performing. They were performing together, it was amazing. I saw a scorching set, kind of by accident, at the San Jose Hotel by Sana Sana. And I suffered, I don't even like saying this, but I suffered severe FOMO, am suffering severe FOMO, I should say. I could have gone to see Alanis Morissette and I didn't. Went back to my hotel and then I was talking to all my friends the next day who went and they were all blown away.

• 7:38Jake Brennan?

  It was an incredible show. I've since seen Rolling Stone head clips on Instagram and I fucked up. I should have gone, should have gone to the Alanis show, but I did not. But anyways, all to say, this week's question of the week is top of mind, to say the least, okay? Anyway, to who the so-called experts believe is the quote unquote, greatest, most badass, influential female musician from rock history? Now, of course, there's no, there's no list that indicates such, but there are many lists that we could consult.

• 8:14Jake Brennan?

  That are vaguely related to this that we could consult for this exercise. There's lots of lists ticking off the accolades of women in rock and women from music history and their contributions to culture. But I think it makes more sense to look at lists of both men and women, of both women and men. For example, Rolling Stone, they're kind of the authority. Like it or not, there's no more spin, really. Cream doesn't compete. Alternative press is just too narrowly focused. Mojo, I didn't look at Mojo though, but Mojo, Mojo is kind of an authority as well. But Rolling Stone's kind of the authority.

• 8:57Jake Brennan?

  Okay, so Rolling Stone Magazine is a list of 100 greatest artists from rock and roll history that they, they put together in 2010. Okay, there's one woman in the top 10 on this list of 100. There's one woman, she comes in at number nine. Then we have to go way down to number 36 for the next woman on the list. And it's Madonna. Only two more women are in the top 50. That's Janis Joplin at 46 and Patti Smith at 47, which is way too low for Patti Smith. Way too low. She should be higher than Janis, I believe. Now, unbelievably, Tina Turner doesn't even make the list by herself.

• 9:41Jake Brennan?

  Okay, she makes it as a member of her abusive psychopathic husbands duo Ike and Tina Turner. And they're at number 61, which is way too low, both for the duo, for Ike Turner individually and for Tina Turner individually. Etta James is at 62. It feels like, you know, they, they kind of bunched the women together here. They've got Janis, Janis at 46 and Patti Smith at 47. And they've got Tina Turner at 61 and Etta James at 62. It's almost like they, they get down the list and they go, shit, we don't have any chicks on here, man. What are we gonna do? And then they just bunch a couple, they just bunched a couple together, back to back.

• 10:23Jake Brennan?

  Anyhow, Tina Turner is at 61, Etta James is at 62, the Shurels 76, Martha and the Vandels 86, Diana Ross and the Supremes at 87, Chrissy Hyne and the Pretenders, they don't even sniff this list. This list blows, okay? Aretha Franklin is the artist at number nine that I didn't mention earlier. I didn't mention the name of the artist. She's the only woman in the top 10, and I think she should be in the top 10, for sure. Top 10 is tight, I gotta say. Here it is, numbers eight through one in reverse order. Little Richard, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry, Rolling

• 11:08Jake Brennan?

  Stones at four, Elvis Presley at three, Bob Dylan at two, and The Beatles at one. We could spend all episode discussing those top three, Elvis three, Bob Dylan two, Beatles at one, and what the right configuration is, but I'm not gonna do that. We're having a different conversation right now. It's hard, though, to argue with the list overall, the top nine, okay? Again, Aretha in reverse order. Aretha, Little Richard, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry, The Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, Bob Dylan, and The Beatles. Number 10, by the way, is Ray Charles. I actually think Ray Charles is too low. I think he could

• 11:48Jake Brennan?

  be higher. I think Ray Charles should be higher than Little Richard. Whoa! I'm not gonna get into why. That's a, this is, I'm not gonna derail this conversation. I wanna keep it focused. Okay, but Madonna, the next most influential female artist, Madonna, way down at 37 as well, that's just wrong. First of all, forget about Madonna for a second. We don't get, actually, don't forget about Madonna, because we don't get Madonna without Patti Smith. I would say we don't even get Madonna without the Go-Go's. Hear me out. Patti Smith busted down doors that we didn't even know were there, okay? And you're gonna hear about that in our Patti Smith episode coming up in a couple weeks,

• 12:31Jake Brennan?

  like, two weeks, I think, three weeks, three weeks, April, early April. But Patti Smith should be higher, man, way higher, like, top 20. And the Go-Go's. Now, I know the Go-Go's are basically contemporaries of Madonna. They kind of hit around the same time. Go-Go's broke through on MTV just a little bit earlier. But most importantly, Go-Go's broke through. They wrote their own songs. They were the first group of female musicians to have a number one record with songs they themselves wrote. Okay. And this is after everybody told them that they couldn't do this. Basically told them

• 13:13Jake Brennan?

  they couldn't write their own songs. It's insane that they're not on this list at all. It makes absolutely no sense. And so does the exclusion of the Pretenders. Because in a way, Chrissie Hynde defied what rock and roll looked and sounded like for a minute there in the 1980s. I mean, really, she really did. I was there. I remember. Okay. But like I said, what do the experts know? Typically, nothing. When Chrissie Hynde, however, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame with the Pretenders, five years before this Rolling Stone list came out. Okay, so look, they go ahead and they make the list. Chrissie Hynde's in the Rock and Roll Hall

• 13:57Jake Brennan?

  of Fame, and they leave her off the list. It doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying take off, you know, the Shirelles or Diana, but I mean, come on. Anyhow, when she's inducted in 2005, Chrissie was cool enough to recognize that the Hall of Fame, like this Rolling Stone list, is fucking lame and called it out as a lame example of establishment backslapping and just said that it has nothing to do with rock and roll. And they're absolutely right. Despite how hard they try, they will forever be the antithesis of rock and roll. That said, if they want to induct me as the first podcaster, I will fucking buy my own, my own travel fare. Kidding. No, I'm

• 14:42Jake Brennan?

  not. Anyhow, she was right. Patti Smith is right. Uh, excuse me, Chrissie Hynde was right. Patti Smith is right too about a lot of things, but Chrissie Hynde is who we're talking about. And she was right. And anyways, I'm looking forward to hearing your takes on not only Chrissie Hynde, but on our question of the week on, on the greatest female musicians from music history. And that's going to come up in a minute. All right, we're going to get to that.

• 15:03Jake Brennan?

  Your voicemails, your texts, your emails. Good to hear from you guys. Now, speaking however, of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the nominees were announced a couple of weeks ago. We got a lot going on over here at Double Elvis. You probably might not be able to tell. Maybe you can, but there's been a lot going on. And we didn't even mention the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominations, which we typically have some fun with. There's a brief little conversation in the Patreon chat. We haven't spent much time on the subject, but we will be, we will be spending time on it today in the exclusive section of this after party. Seth and I are going to be discussing what we think of this year's nominees and who we think is going to get inducted. It's, it's just a wild list. It's, it's, it's almost

• 15:45Jake Brennan?

  impossible to predict who gets in, or why they're even nominated. And we all kind of have our own ideas of, of what warrants a nomination. Nevermind an induction. Anyways, that's going on in the exclusive section of this after party coming up. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an all access member. You want to get in there with the other discos in the, in the Patreon chat. Chop it up about wild stories from music history, whatever's going on in music at the moment. Again, go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up for exclusive content like this conversation Seth and I are going to be having as well as ad free content. Okay. But before, before all that, before we get into the exclusive section, and before your voicemails and texts and emails, a quick rundown of what is happening

• 16:30Jake Brennan?

  in disgraceland this week. This week, like I said, we've got our Chrissy Hyne episode that's available for you. All right. We've got coming up next, right after this here bonus episode, we have our rewind episode, which we do every week, which you guys know, dip into the archive of over 200 and geez, I don't know, 65 episodes by now. And we, we pull one out of a hat this week. It's Waylon Jennings. We got Waylon Jennings, the original outlaw. Well, I don't know about the original, but he kind of, he's kind of the avatar for outlaw country. Waylon Jennings is coming up in our rewind slot this week, right after this. And then next Tuesday, brand new episode on Mr. Kate Moss, that would be Pete Doherty of The Libertines. It's hard to describe this Pete Doherty story.

• 17:17Jake Brennan?

  I believe that it's one of the most underreported stories in rock and roll. The story of the rock star Pete Dougherty and the death of the playwright Mark Blanco. First reported as a suicide, then an accident, and suspected by many to be a murder. Now, when you're listening to this episode, be thinking about how Mark Blanco died. And let me know if you think he died by accident, as authorities claim, or if he was murdered. And by who or whom? Which is it? Who or whom? Murdered by whom? Do you believe Pete Dougherty had anything to do with his death? Let me know, 617-906-6638. Call me and text me with your answers.

• 18:01Jake Brennan?

  Email [email protected] and you might hear your answer on next week's DisgraceLand bonus episode. Coming up, your answers to this week's question of the week on Chrissy Hind, on which female artists are the most influential from rock and music history? Coming up, your answers to this week's question of the week on Chrissy Hind. I tried to say that like Terry Gross. I didn't do it well.

• 18:30Jake Brennan?

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• 22:00Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back, guys. Oh, man. What a couple of days. Awesome couple of days. I'll talk about it more later. I want to get into your stuff here. I've been talking too much. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. Question of the week, we're trying to answer which female artists from music history are the most badass, the most influential, the most consequential? Let's check out this voicemail from the 414.

• 22:28Speaker 08

  Hi, Jake. This is Amy from Milwaukee. I'm calling to respond to who's the most badass woman in rock? That is Nina Hagen. Nina Hagen is beyond amazing. She has been around. She's still here. She's still performing and she is amazing. She's the godmother of punk rock and she will be forever.

• 22:52Jake Brennan?

  Bye. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Amy. Wait a minute. I just did about a week and a half's worth of research on Patti Smith, and I was told that Patti Smith is the godmother of punk. I actually think Patti Smith has a different title. We're going to get into that in the Patti Smith episode, but I want to know more about Nina Hagen. I know a little bit about her, not much, and I'm super interested to know what kind of crimey, little juicy true crime details there might be from Nina Hagen's past that might warrant an episode on her and a way for me to kind of dive in and learn more about her myself and hopefully bring her story to all the discos. Get at me, Amy. Get back. If you don't want to call, just

• 23:33Jake Brennan?

  send me a text. Let me know what you know about Nina Hagen. All right. 617-906-6638. The 251 calls in with this message.

• 23:43Speaker 09

  Hi Jake. This is Andrew from Brooklyn. Most badass female musician. Gotta be Wendy O. Williams. Thank you. Bye bye.

• 23:54Jake Brennan?

  No, thank you, Andrew. Appreciate the call. Wendy O. Williams. I hear you supremely badass. Another one that I'm not super familiar with, and I'm excited to start researching. We've got her on the list for an episode coming up in a couple of months. So Wendy O. Williams will be coming your way in Disgrace Land shortly. Andrew, thank you for the call. Let's dig into the 724.

• 24:15Speaker 10

  Hey Jake, this is Clint, 724, Western Pennsylvania. In response to your badass ass female rock, rock and roll. Gotta be Joan Jett. He's been true to her roots from the time she started out as a miner in the seventies. She's been through the, been through the wringer, stuck to her attitude, stuck to her rock and roll. Gotta be Joan Jett, bro. All right. Hey, thanks for the show. You do a great job.

• 24:41Jake Brennan?

  Appreciate you out there in Western Pennsylvania. Can't argue with Joan Jett. I hope you dug our Runaways episode. Also Clint, let me know if you've seen The Light of Day. Fun, fun fact, The Light of Day, Joan Jett, Michael J. Fox film, came out in the eighties. The first show I ever played on tour with my band was in Ohio, Cleveland, Ohio, at the Euclid Tavern where they filmed Light of Day. We drove straight from Queens, castaner and hike and still suit, all crammed into one van. And it was, I gotta say, it was a lot of fun. It was about four people there, but hey, we didn't care. We thought we were like Black Flag in the eighties out there grinding. We kinda were in our own little way. Anyway, shout out to the Euclid Tavern and Joan Jett, Light of Day.

• 25:26Jake Brennan?

  Pretty good movie. Haven't seen it since it came out. I don't know. 781. Let's check out what they get to say.

• 25:33Speaker 11

  What up Jake? It's your boy Ish, just checking in. I just wanted to call you and tell you, I was having a shit morning and I was listening to the bonus episode, what music do serial killers listen to? And the part about John Wayne Gacy running around in his clown outfit, listening to Benny Hill. I mean, thank you. Thank you so much, bro. Like you just put a smile on my face and made my commute better. I hope all is well. Keep up the good work and just fucking disco.

• 26:08Jake Brennan?

  Ish, my man. Love this call. I think you just, you just play the Benny Hill music and you just, you can't help but feel good. You can't help but laugh. Matt, Matt, give us a little Benny Hill.

• 26:22Jake Brennan?

  See, now we all feel a little better, don't we? We do. It's just, it's magic. I don't know what it is. It's so dumb, especially when you're thinking of John Wayne Gacy running around, listening to, listening to it. And his clown get, I, yeah, yeah, this is just kind of the gift that keeps on giving. 617-906-6638, guys, voicemail and text. Don't forget, hit me about next week's question of the week. We're gonna be getting into this topic of Pete Doherty and the murder mystery. Again, super underreported story. And I've been coming across a lot of these lately where it's just like, it's the type of story where I don't think it's unfinished. I think there's a lot left to be uncovered there. Super true crime-y. And again, the question is, after you hear our episode, do you think that?

• 27:08Jake Brennan?

  Do you think that Mark Blanco, that his death at that party with Pete from the Libertines was an accident? Or do you think he was murdered? Hit me up and let me know. 617-906-6638. Voicemail. You can also text me if you want. You don't feel like talking into the talky talk box, you can just send a text. Lots of people text. We got the 541 here texting in. Hey Jake, Tom from the 541 here. Excellent job on the Chrissy Hind episode. She's one of my all time favorites and the most badass, but there are many others. Here are a few. Joan Jett, Brody Doll from the Distillers, Kathleen Hannah Bikini Kill, Carrie Brownstein,

• 27:48Jake Brennan?

  Sleater Kenny, Kim Gordon, Sonic Youth, so many more, but I'll leave it, leave it there. Peace. Yeah, Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth might be tops on my list. Supremely badass. Cool thing, the way she's talking to Chuck D in that song. That was originally written for LL Cool J, but he wouldn't do it. Just so awesome. Carrie Brownstein. Yeah. I was walking into a hotel one night in New York and it was really late and I noticed that I was sort of walking in with Carrie Brownstein and I wanted to say something, but I didn't because it would have been fucking weird. It was like two in the morning. But she just looked so badass.

• 28:31Jake Brennan?

  She looked like way more rock star than, than she does on Portlandia, of course, but even on stage, she just kind of had this aura to her that was just super fucking cool. And I was just kind of like, yeah, respect. You go. All right. I dig that. Brody Doll, yeah. Badass, super badass and awesome, by the way, too. Great, great. Just a fucking great musician. Love the Distillers. Tough to fuck with Kathleen Hannah here. You got a great list. Great list. Tom in the 541, appreciate you. 904 writing in, never received the shirt. Listen 904, that shirt's coming. I shouldn't say shirt, it's merch. It's merch. I know I mentioned you a couple of weeks back on the bonus episode, but here's the deal. I mail these out once a month.

• 29:15Jake Brennan?

  I can't be going to the post office every week or even every two weeks. If I'm lucky, I get there once a month. I try to get there once a month. So it will come. Some of you might be listening and I know you're like, what do you mean? Who, who, who's you miss? Who, what, what are you sending? Well, I send merch to people who leave reviews for Disgrace Land that I end up reading. And not everyone who leaves a review, but if you leave a, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and I select it and I read it here on the podcast and you get in touch with me if you text me 617-906-6638, like the 904 here. And I read your, your review and you text me and you give me like a shirt size or something, then I will, uh, send some awesomeness your way as a little thank you. All right. Now, not everybody who leaves a review gets one, but

• 30:00Jake Brennan?

  most, well, not most, a lot of people do. Your chances aren't, aren't none is what I'm saying. I just ask you to be patient. It's a coming. Speaking of reviews, we've got this one on Apple Podcasts from DW155DW. DW gives five stars, says, amazing shows. I love these podcasts. I've listened to every available episode of both Disgrace Land and Hollywood Land. And I just want to say how important these shows have become to me. I was recently interviewed for a spotlight in my company's newsletter and social media. And I knew they were going to ask me for podcast, movie, or music recommendations because it was mentioned in the pre-interview email, but during the actual interview, podcast never came up. So when she asked at the end, if I had anything else to add, I made a point to mention how big a fan I am of these shows. If you're on the fence about listening, stop

• 30:45Jake Brennan?

  reading this and just hit play. It's amazing. Yo, DW155DW, hit us up, man. 617-906-6638. I said, man, but I don't know if you're a man or a woman, whatever you are, get at us and we will get you some merch for that wonderful positive review. G Ward two on Spotify. Anne and Nancy Wilson of Heart are the best female rockers in my mind. Just listen to Barracuda and then of course Janis Joplin. I look forward to every episode from Disgrace Land and Hollywood Land, the after party, et cetera. Keep them coming from Jeanette. Jeanette, get in touch with us. 617-906-6638. Jeanette's kinda combining a review there with the question of the week with her answer. You can do that.

• 31:28Jake Brennan?

  You can do whatever you want. 530 Texan, biggest badass female. Another one, clearly, Wendy Williams. That's what they're saying. Lots of people with the Wendy Williams. You guys are gonna love this episode. 949 Texan in regards to our conversation last week about serial killers and the music that they listen to. John Wayne Gacy, listen to Elton John. How do I know this? I was a pen pal of his. Gacy had a questionnaire he would send to people who wrote to him. And when he sent me the questionnaire, I said, I'd complete one if he would too. And he did. One of the questions on it was about music that we both listened

• 32:02Jake Brennan?

  to and Elton John as a favorite. Oh my, wow. I'm just, uh, yo, 949, thank you. Also, I hope you're good. 949, appreciate you. I was talking to a friend the other night and I decided, you mentioned pen pals. I decided I'm gonna become pen pals with Tom Hanks because it's not hard. I know how to do this. I don't know Tom Hanks, but I know how to become a pen pal of his. And I'm not gonna give it away. But a friend of mine does know Tom Hanks a little bit. Doesn't know him. I don't want to oversell his connection to him. But he basically, my friend of mine's in a band and Tom's a fan of his band and

• 32:44Jake Brennan?

  they hung out about a year ago. So the whole nature of my, my pen pal correspondence that I'm gonna take up with Tom Hanks, I'm just gonna talk shit about my friend that he knows. And I'm very excited about this, actually. I have to get a couple props together. I don't want to give too much away, but I'm looking forward to this. It's gonna be fun. 617 906 6638, at Disgraceland Pod on the socials as well. If you want to hit me up there on Instagram or TikTok, that's really where I'm gonna respond to you. Maybe Facebook, probably not X. It's hard. It's hard to keep all the correspondence going on all the damn channels, man.

• 33:30Jake Brennan?

  Lee writes in, "Hey Jake, I hope you check out The Killing. It's intense and fantastic. Be well." Lee, were we talking about that last week, The Killing? Cause The Killing's been on my mind. Did I mention it because I, it's one of Patti Smith's favorites and that came up in the, in the research? I think so. I think so. I haven't checked it out yet, but I'm excited to. I gotta get through Love Story first. I gotta get through, uh, John John and Carolyn Bissette. Got pretty, got pretty rocky this last week for Carolyn. God, this show is trash, but I love it. I do. I just fucking love it. But I'm excited to get into The Killing. Not gonna lie. Karen Curtin sends us an email. She says, "Thanks. Many, many thanks for profiling Townes

• 34:11Jake Brennan?

  Van Zant. He was a genius and a poet for his and our times. If you haven't seen it, I recommend the 2018 film Blaze, directed by Ethan Hawke, based on the life of Blaze Foley. Townes Van Zant is portrayed by Charlie Sexton. Brilliant." Female rocker series. Me and, uh, bestie are headed to London next month to see Susie Quatro, Detroit's finest. She's gonna perform and she can still bring it. I scrolled through back episodes of DisgraceLand and didn't see an episode. Just a suggestion, she was a force of nature. A relatively new listener, bringing more converts to your podcasts, KC

• 34:48Jake Brennan?

  and SLC. KC, writing down here, Nina Hagen from that earlier correspondence and Susie Quatro, cause neither are on our list and I'm gonna put them on there.

• 35:03Jake Brennan?

  Guess who I saw a couple of days ago? Just, uh, you know, walking on the street. One Charlie Sexton, who you bring up, who you can imagine looks cool AF still to this day. Guy's been on the scene since, I don't know, he's like 17. He's always looked badass and cool. And yeah, I did see Blaze. It's amazing. It's incredible. It's actually what made me want to do the Townes Van Zant episode. We will do a Blaze Foley episode at some point in addition to Susie Quatro. Thanks for getting at us, Karen Curtin. Appreciate you. [email protected] guys. You wanna email me like Karen, you wanna get in touch about anything, go for it. I'm gonna be back in a flash.

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• 38:01Jake Brennan?

  All right, I'm back, back in the saddle today. I started putting my thoughts together for this episode when I was in Austin at South by Southwest. And I'm recording today, I'm back home. And I had a great time. I really did. I think I had the best time at South by Southwest that I've had in about a decade. I've been going to South by Southwest, I think, since 2003, when I was in, when I was in bands and playing solo and hanging out and just, but, you know, at a certain point, it just got to be like work. And I went a couple of years ago, and I really didn't want to go. And I was trying to remember the last time I was excited to go to South by Southwest, and I couldn't. I was telling

• 38:45Jake Brennan?

  my, my wife before I went, I was like, you know, I'm really excited this time. She was like, what? Because it's, it's, it's, for those who haven't gone, it sounds, I'm sure it sounds great, but it is overwhelming. And it has become like, this behemoth of an event, that just, you gotta kind of, like, it can suck you in. It's like a, it'll suck you in like a, like a washing machine and just spin you around, and you'll come out all wet and twisted up. It's just, it's just, it can do that to you. I guess age or something. I know how to do it now. And I just, I saw a bunch of friends I haven't seen in a really, really long time. And I just realized how, how long it's been since, since I got out

• 39:29Jake Brennan?

  there and just, you know, kind of did the thing. And I did the thing, and I had a great time reconnecting with people. I saw, I did a little performance with some friends that you'll hear about soon. We've got a, a big announcement we're gonna make in relation to that. Big, big, big, huge, the huge kind of, once in every couple of years kind, kind of announcement. And connected, like I said, with a bunch of friends, saw some good live podcasts, saw some good live music, went to the award show, supported some of my friends. It was just great. It's fun. It's a blast. Travel sucked on the way back, but I didn't care. I was watching The Big Lebowski on the plane last night. Was supposed to watch it last week, didn't get to it. Got to it on

• 40:10Jake Brennan?

  the plane, though, and I didn't have plane tears. You know, that's the thing. I had plane laughs, though. I was laughing my ass off. Guy next to me knew why, and he understood. He understood. I think he was like a pro ballplayer or something. Guy was huge. He just looked like a baseball player. I don't know what that one talking about, though. He could have been anything. Could have been a fireman. Anyhow, he was telling me that his dad is, this is his favorite movie. And I told him I saw it in the theaters when it came out, and then I felt old, because I realized I probably could have been this guy's dad. He was a full grown man. Anyhow, the movie, I was watching it, not just because it's fantastic and I love it. I was watching it because Zeth and I are profiling it, and this film should be played loud, and we are going to film that tomorrow, that podcast.

• 40:54Jake Brennan?

  The fourth installment of our video podcast, This Film Should Be Played Loud, which you can hear exclusively on the Patreon app, where we focus on the great, tremendous, culture-defining music from our favorite movies. Big Lebowski, like I said, is our fourth installment. We've previously covered Boogie Nights, Trainspotting, and Goodfellas. And if you want to watch any of those, I gotta say, first, they're fucking hysterical. Second, super informative. You're gonna get information on this music that you probably didn't know or have, relative to the movie, of course, but just in general. And they're just really fun. I just, I just

• 41:37Jake Brennan?

  have this such a best, such, such the best time. I have the best time. I have such a great time making these and putting them together with Zeth. And really, I've said this before, the convergence of, of music and movies coming together, it's, it's, you know, aside from my kids and family and all that stuff, it might be my favorite thing on the planet. It's really tremendous. You know, if God was like, hey, you can have one thing to entertain yourself with for the rest of your life. It can only be one thing. Is it going to be like records? Is it going to be books? Is it going to be movies? It would be movies and music. I would just be like, give me, give me movies with great soundtracks. That's what I want. Great needle drops. That's the thing. And now we're bringing

• 42:21Jake Brennan?

  that thing to you guys. You gotta be a Patreon member, though. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Cop that. Super easy. You're also gonna get ad-free listening, all kinds of stuff. And I mentioned, I do this, I do this with Zeth. I do a lot with Zeth. Zeth's in the exclusive section of this podcast coming up in a minute. And Zeth is sort of behind the, he's helming, not sort of, he is absolutely helming the Hollywoodland podcast feed these days. We have the archive episodes in there that hit once a week. And then we build, we build a little theme around that for the week and, and what we're calling the rap party episode with Zeth and the screening room episode as well. And the rap party talks about the subject of that week's full episode. The screening

• 43:03Jake Brennan?

  room hits on that and previews whatever film we're all gonna be watching together that weekend. And then we're gonna come back, top of the week in the rap party, you know, keep it all going again. Move on to the next movie subject. That's how we do. And there's a true crime angle to all of it. It's important. It's what makes it different. It's what makes it special. It's what makes it Hollywoodland. It's what makes it Double Elvis. We're not just giving you the same, same rote Hollywood history that you've heard a gazillion times that you can get anywhere else. We're giving it to you through the lens of true crime and the transgression of the actors, actresses, directors, movie moguls, whomever. Okay? That's Hollywoodland. Make sure you're subscribed on Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio app, Spotify, wherever. All right. Get that for you. It's gonna make you feel better. Trust me. All

• 43:46Jake Brennan?

  right, you know what time it is. Now it is time for the sports rant sponsored by Five Hour Energy and their fruity rainbow flavored treat your taste buds to an explosion of fruity candy flavor with a tasty caffeine kick. Get candy flavored chaos with fruity rainbow five hour energy shots online at www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon. So, I'm a baseball nerd, baseball nut. I coached my kids' baseball team. I, I just love it. I still in the back of my head feel like I can play. I can't, but I feel like I can. And I tried joining like a men's softball team, but I didn't really try that hard. And I never kind of got through the signups.

• 44:28Jake Brennan?

  And it just, why are there, why isn't there like podcaster softball league? Okay. All right. Why, why doesn't this exist? You know, we, we need to start this and it can be a travel league. It's not hard. We all come together. We do a little tournament like once, twice a year. Got the double Elvis Disgrace Land team, the stuff you should know team, the Tenderfoot team. And here's why I'm at this event South by Southwest and like every time I get to see my fellow podcasters, it's always in these sort of just like strictly industry things, which is cool. I'm not complaining. I'm not complaining, but I'm saying we need other, other events.

• 45:09Jake Brennan?

  Okay. Or perhaps maybe at these events, we create this super fun thing to do like the Eagles, the band Eagles, I fucking hate the Eagles, man. You know what I'm talking about? They used to have their own little softball tournament. There used to be the, the rock and jock MTV era of softball tournaments. Remember that? That's what I'm talking about. Could do something like that for podcasting. I know I have, I know I have friends out there who listen to this show, who make podcasts. Get in touch and let me know what you think. I'm lamenting the fact that this does not exist, which I guess that technically makes this a rant, but I don't know. It's sportsy. It's ranty. And that's why it's here in the sports rant. Matt, how did I do? Did I nail the 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds or the 30 second sports rant? And under 60 seconds? I can't remember what the hell we're talking about.

• 45:54Jake Brennan?

  Either way, that was the sports rant sponsored by five hour energies. Fruity rainbow flavor. Treat yourself to a candy like flavor explosion and satisfy your sweet tooth with the zero sugar treat. Once again, you can get in on the candy flavored chaos online at www.5hourenergy.com or Amazon today. Listen to the exclusive section of this after party. It's not going to listen to itself. All right. Me and Zeth talking about this year's rock and roll nominees and who we think is going to get inducted in a couple of weeks. If you are not an all access member of Disgrace and now is the time. wwwdisgraceampod.com to sign up and get in here. Back in flash.

• 46:45Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back and I mentioned so many artists today. I'm going to keep it short, though. Ike and Tina Turner, The Go-Go's Madonna. Those are the archive episodes you want to listen to if you have not listened to them yet. Matt Bowden from Devil Elvis will have the episode information in the show notes section of this bonus episode so that you can easily navigate your way, like I said, to Ike and Tina Turner, The Go-Go's Madonna. Three of my favorite episodes, right there. I put those episodes up against any other episode in the history of podcasts, okay? I love those three episodes. You're gonna love them too. If you haven't heard them, go check them out. All right, let's recap, shall we? This week, we got our new episode on Chrissy Hyne from The Pretenders. That's

• 47:30Jake Brennan?

  available for you right now. We are rewinding into the archive tomorrow with our rewind episode on Waylon Jennings. Next week, we get into our new episode on Pete Thordy and the murder mystery surrounding Mark Blanco. That's coming on Tuesday. Zest's over in that Hollywoodland feed right now with his Hollywood and true crime takes. Get over there and subscribe if you are not subscribed already. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our new video podcast is available on Patreon, disgracempod.com to sign up. We've got a new episode coming on The Big Lebowski next week. Number six, 617-906-6638, Your Voice. It keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else

• 48:12Jake Brennan?

  you want to talk about. Nina Hagen, Susie Quatro, duly noted guys, all right? Wendy O. Williams as well. Number seven, don't forget this goes, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed and no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do, and that is a disgrace. All right, on May 14th, 2005, that was the day that The Pretenders, along with Chrissy Hyne, of course, were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Hollaback Girl, Gwen Stefani, last week, won. Peak Position 1 Weeks on Chart 7 Number 2 Hate It or Love It The Game Featuring 50 Cent

• 48:57Jake Brennan?

  Last Week 2 Peak Position 2 Weeks on Chart 14 Number 3 Oh Sierra Featuring Ludacris Last Week 5 Peak Position 3 Weeks on Chart 8 Number 4 Lonely Akon Last Week 4 Peak Position 4 Weeks on Chart 12 Number 5 Just a Little Bit 57 Last Week 14 Peak Position 5 Weeks on Chart 18

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