Bonus Episode: Turnstile and Why Hardcore Music is Now Pop Music plus Our Greatest Live Music Childhood Memories

Turnstile is the first hardcore band to ever win a Grammy award. Two grammys actually. And now hardcore will never be the same. Listen to this bonus episode of Disgraceland to hear why. And as always, Jake responds to your voicemails, texts, dms, emails and more. For more wild stories from the world of music and true crime, check out these Disgraceland episodes: Motley Crue https://www.disgracelandpod.com/015/motley-crue Nirvana Pt 1 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/025/kurt-and-courtney-pt-1 & Pt 2 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/026/kurt-and-courtney-pt-2 Metallica https://www.disgracelandpod.com/189/metallica See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:44Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:10Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we are discussing Turnstile's Grammy wins and why hardcore music is now pop music, Jane's addiction, and our greatest live music experiences as kids, long-suffering New England Patriots fans finally get to experience the postseason, and we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up

• 2:55Jake Brennan?

  telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:12Jake Brennan?

  All right, here's something interesting. Turnstile is the first hardcore band to win a Grammy Award. The Baltimore quintet nabbed two Grammys, one each in the Best Rock Album and Best Metal Performance categories. You guys know I'm a Turnstile fan. You know I've been paying attention to this. I've been following along. I come from the hardcore scene, so this is of particular interest to me. Again, Turnstile, two Grammys, one for Best Rock Album and another for Best Metal Performance. But make no mistake about it, Turnstile is a hardcore band. In the Best Rock Album category, Turnstile beat out New Metal Journeyman, Linkin Park, Perpetual Hollywood Scene, Darling's Heim, Crossover Vets, Deftones, and rock's latest

• 3:55Jake Brennan?

  hope, Young Blood. And in the Best Performance category, Turnstile's song, "Birds," won over Mast, Metalhead's Sleep Token, Canadian progressive metalhead Spirit Box, and two theater rock groups, Ghost and Dream Theater. Now, make no mistake, Turnstile is neither a rock band or a metal band. In the group's acceptance speech, frontman Brandon Yates said that "The community we found through punk and hardcore music has given us a safe place to swing in the dark and land somewhere beautiful."

• 4:27Jake Brennan?

  Community, that word in particular, community is what separates the hardcore scene from the metal scene, from the rock scene, even from the punk scene. Even though Yates categorized the scene that Turnstile came from as being punk and hardcore. He's from the hardcore scene, trust me. And the hardcore scene is different, much different. It's built on a different set of values. Now, long before these concepts became mainstream, the hardcore scene embraced the concepts of inclusiveness, of do it yourself grit and independence, decades before these ideas were embraced and promoted by other music subcultures. The hardcore scene that Turnstile's Brendan Yates is talking about cultivated

• 5:11Jake Brennan?

  in open-mindedness that still champions esoteric lifestyles and religions. Everything from straight edge to vegetarianism and veganism, Hare Krishna, even Rastafarianism. Other music scenes, particularly metal and rock, openly mocked and ridiculed the hardcore scene for its openness. Now, Turnstile's Brendan Yates took the stage at the 68th Grammy Awards the other night. And again, he said, "The community we found through punk and hardcore." Again, that's the key word, "community." The hardcore community is completely different than other musical communities. It's hard to explain unless you've lived in it, as I have. In a lot of ways, it's like being part of a club, a club of outsiders.

• 5:55Jake Brennan?

  And that's what drew me and many others to the hardcore scene to begin with. And once you've been accepted into this club, you never really leave. In that way, I guess it's kind of like the mafia or the CIA. When you're traveling, I'm joking. But when you're traveling, in all seriousness, when you're traveling, you're traveling abroad, this happened to me so many times. You're traveling abroad, you're somewhere else far from home. You're walking down a foreign street perhaps, and you pass a dude wearing a Gorilla Biscuits t-shirt or a Bane hoodie, or yeah, maybe some Turnstile swag. You don't necessarily stop and talk to that dude, but for sure, the both of you exchange knowing nods. Now, you and the girl wearing the Joy Division t-shirt, you're not necessarily going to do that. Nor would you with the guy wearing the Motley Crue shirt. It's different.

• 6:41Jake Brennan?

  It's a different experience, it's a different lived in experience being in the hardcore scene. So Turnstile, though they won in both the rock and metal categories, is the first hardcore band to win a Grammy Award. This is never done before. Now, the interesting thing here is, even though Turnstile is a hardcore band, what I want to ask is this, is the music from their latest album, Never Enough, hardcore music? And the answer is, no, it's not. It's something more. It's something different. The music on Never Enough transcends hardcore music. It, of course, has trademark hardcore elements, mosh parts, big chugga chugga riffs, sing-along

• 7:25Jake Brennan?

  choruses, breakdowns, but it also includes elements that no hardcore band has ever included and succeeded with, namely synth parts that are not just atmospheric, they're singular. I heard that record, I was like, God, they're making like Smith's guitar riffs with synthesizers. Okay, these elements, they add this originality that I think, I believe anyways, is going to long be imitated by other bands, not just hardcore bands. And in a way, will contribute in no small manner to the future of not just heavy music, not just hardcore music, but to the future of pop music.

• 8:06Jake Brennan?

  Now, hear me out. Like Metallica and Nirvana before them, Turnstile created a new sound that transcended the niche scene that first embraced them. After Metallica released the Black Album, they no longer sounded like a metal band. They no longer sounded like anything but Metallica, in a new version of Metallica. Not like the Metallica from the album's previous, not like Injustice for All, not like Master of Puppets, not like Ride the Lightning. Black Album sounded like Metallica in that moment, something different. Same for Nirvana. Nothing was the same after Nevermind. The band on that album didn't sound like an alternative band. They didn't sound like a Seattle band. They didn't sound like a college band, or even a grunge band, whatever that was. They sounded like Nirvana.

• 8:51Jake Brennan?

  Nirvana after Nevermind no longer sounds like The Melvins or Mudhoney as they kind of do on Bleach. I mean, yeah, they're their own thing on Bleach, but you put Bleach up without Nevermind, right? In 1989, or whenever Bleach comes out, yeah, 1989, I think, you put that album up there next to a Melvins record from the era or a Mudhoney record from the era, and they're all in conversation with each other. They all speak sonically to one another. They sound similar. Same thing with Metallica, previous to the Black Album, okay? And Justice for All with Slayer's Rain and Blood, or with a Megadeth or Anthrax record, they're all kind of in conversation together, right? All those, the big thrash bands, they're all kind of, they're all kind of there, they're all kind of on the track,

• 9:36Jake Brennan?

  neck and neck, nose to nose. What happens when the Black Album comes out? Metallica can no longer be compared to Slayer, or Megadeth, or Anthrax. Both Metallica and Nirvana evolved into something beyond their respective thrash and grunge scenes, and into a new kind of popular music. Because those albums, not only did they sound different, they had a commercial breakthrough, they had a commercial impact, they impacted popular culture in the way that their records previously did not, and they impacted popular culture with a new evolution of the band's sound that turned them into something new, something

• 10:18Jake Brennan?

  different, something that had never been heard before, something known as pop music, a new kind of pop music. And what happens when a band becomes pop? Their influence grows exponentially. After Nevermind by Nirvana, and after the Black Album by Metallica, new crops of musicians took to their instruments inspired by Nirvana and Metallica without being inspired by other grunge or thrash bands. Now, I'm not saying that's a good thing necessarily, I'm just saying that it's a thing. Trust me, in 1991, 1992, when those records were out there, there were kids buying guitars, learning Nirvana songs, who had never heard Mud Honey, had never heard The Melvins before.

• 11:02Jake Brennan?

  Same goes for Metallica, kids learning Metallica songs, who had no idea who Megadeth was. And again, I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm just saying that it's a thing. And that the hardcore sound, through turnstile alone, will now be singed into the future of pop music. Because, put simply, turnstile has become something other than a hardcore band. They've become turnstile. And now, they have two Grammy Awards to prove it. Turnstile, love them, hate them, never heard of them, kind of interested in them, whatever. You can no longer escape the fact that they are more consequential today than they were a week ago. And I kind of love it.

• 11:47Jake Brennan?

  I didn't see it coming. I did not see this coming. And I'm kind of stoked about it. Anyways, speaking of influence and consequence, this week's new episode on one of the most consequential bands of the 1990s, Jane's Addiction, is currently available for you to listen to. This is part two of the Jane's Addiction story. We dropped episode one in the feed for you guys, give you a refresh before diving into the continuation of the Jane saga. Jane says she's done with Sergio, he treats me like a ragdoll. I love that line. I love this band. Jane's Addiction blew my mind when I first heard them. I was lucky enough to see them in a smallish venue when I was in high school, an auditorium in Fitchburg, Massachusetts. And they were fucking incredible, incredible.

• 12:31Jake Brennan?

  Probably the greatest live band I'd seen up until that point, until I saw Fugazi a couple of years later, in the same venue, mind you, in Fitchburg, Wallace Civic Center. And then again, I saw Fugazi in Clinton, Mass. My band got to open up for them, take that, Turnstile. I'm kidding. Anyways, Zeph and I are going to be talking about our favorite live music experiences as kids in the exclusive section of this, some after-party, some, some real 90s, early aughts, live music stories, huge bands we've seen in small clubs, bizarre experiences with rock stars on the corners of the street, all kinds of stuff. All in the exclusive all access section of this after party. Go to disgracypod.com to sign up. And as I'm saying this, maybe we'll make this a two-part all access section because

• 13:16Jake Brennan?

  I think it'd be cool to hear your wildest live music experiences from childhood as well. Now I'm thinking about this out loud as I say it, maybe what we'll do is have you guys call in or text 617-906-6638. Call us this week. Give us your stories about your most memorable live music experiences and we'll play them in next week's all access section of the after party as we continue this conversation. So again, check out today's convo. Me and Zeph talking wild live music experiences as kids and call 617-906-6638. Leave a voicemail, send a text. Give us your wild live music experiences as children, children of the 90s, children of whatever. You don't have to have been coming up in the 90s. They don't, these don't have

• 14:01Jake Brennan?

  to be 90s experiences. And you can hear your answers in the all access section of next week's after party. We'll keep this convo going. All right. After Jane's part two this week and after this bonus episode in our feed, we've got Beatles part one and part two. Speaking of consequential artists, you can't get more consequential than the Beatles. And then next week, we've got our new, long awaited, long requested episode on Mia Zapata of the Gits. Mia Zapata, of course, was murdered and died way too young, prompting next week's question of the week. Which musicians do you love that died before they got their due? Be thinking of this when you're listening to the Mia Zapata episode. And then again, give me a call 617-906-6638

• 14:43Jake Brennan?

  and let me know. The phone lines are open as they say. Let me know which musicians that you love who died before they got their due. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. I'll be back after this with your answers to last week's question of the week.

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  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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• 16:42Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we're back, and I wanted to just point something out here real quick to you. A lot of you might know this, a lot of you might not. We've got a new podcast. It's called This Film Should Be Played Loud, and it's all about the greatest music from our favorite movies. Now, you have to be an All-Access member to watch this podcast. It's a video podcast. We have two tiers of All-Access membership. We have video and audio. $10 a month gets you a bunch of new video content, plus ad-free listening that we've been offering forever, and exclusive content. And the $5.99 Monthly level gets you the audio version of All Access. Okay. Again, ad free listening, our exclusive mini episodes, both the audio and video level. They're going to get you into the community chat on Patreon.

• 17:25Jake Brennan?

  You can become a member at the 599 level in Apple Podcasts and Patreon. Video is available through Patreon. Go to disgracypod.com to sign up. I'm super stoked about this video should be played loud. I love, I think that my two favorite things in the world, or my favorite thing in the world, besides my kids and my family and, you know, the big sort of tent pole stuff, is when you're watching a great movie and this incredible song comes on and it just, it changes everything. It changes the film. It changes the story. It changes the emotional connection you're having to the characters and it even changes the way you think about that music. When you see it in the context with the movie and that can come from a needle drop,

• 18:09Jake Brennan?

  something on the soundtrack, it can be scoring, whatever it is, the combination of music and images on screen, just unbelievable. I love it. That's at the heart of this film should be played loud. We've done two episodes so far. We did an episode, our first episode is on Goodfellas. Our second episode is on Trainspotting. The next episode, I believe we're going to cover Marty Supreme, the new, new film, the new Timothy Chalamet movie that's out there right now. It's going to be episode three of this film should be played loud. Trainspotting, like I said, is the most recent one. Matt, why don't you play the folks here? A little taste of this film should be played loud.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  The opening scene of this movie is it's the two Ewans. It's Ewan McGregor and Ewan Bremner. They're hauling ass down the street with a cop and a store clerk and a hot pursuit behind them. And Iggy Pop's Lust for Life is playing and it literally, the first shot is of a foot hitting the pavement right as the opening drumbeat of Lust for Life plays. And you're just like, you are just yanked into this world so hard. Were you into Iggy at the time? Or did you have the same? For me, I don't know that I've ever heard this song before I saw this movie. And I vividly remember the song coming on and being like, holy shit. What is this song?

• 19:24Jake Brennan?

  Well, before I answer the question, I just, for those in the audience who are younger, it's important to remember that in 1996, when Trainspotting comes out, Lust for Life by Iggy Pop, as hard as it is now to imagine, was not a ubiquitous sort of classic tune. It just was not. I mean, I'm sure I had heard it, but I wasn't a fan of Iggy Pop's music. I knew who he was and I thought he was an interesting guy because you gotta remember, he's doing like Cry Baby around this time and Dead Man.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  For me, yeah, this had the reputation of the guy who like cut himself on stage. And I was like, I don't know, that's a little too transgressive for me, maybe, you know?

• 20:02Jake Brennan?

  Yeah, that was definitely part of the lore. And he was just something that, you know, Johnny Depp was very enthralled with him at the time. And we all knew who Johnny Depp was, obviously. And he was just kind of this like elder statesman in the alternative world. But I wasn't listening to Iggy Pop on purpose at that time. I wasn't, I had friends, though I should say, who probably thought that I was lame because I didn't have the Stooges album. You know what I mean?

• 20:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 20:24Jake Brennan?

  It took a while. It took a while for me to get into that. And this movie kind of did it for the song, but it, that's not what, Iggy Pop isn't what this movie turned me on to musically. We can get into what this, what the movie did turn me on to. But no, Iggy wasn't really on my radar. And now when you go back and you're just, it's not just, it's not just the Lust for Life scene in the beginning, which is absolutely like instantly iconic.

• 20:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:50Jake Brennan?

  It's that nightclubbing scene.

• 20:52Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 20:52Jake Brennan?

  And the menace.

• 20:58Jake Brennan?

  Nightclubbing.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:59Jake Brennan?

  Which Bowie produced, right?

• 21:01Speaker 04

  Bowie produced, that's, that one's off The Idiot. Yeah, yeah.

• 21:03Jake Brennan?

  Yeah, it's just.

• 21:04Speaker 04

  It sounds like a hangover, that song, you know?

• 21:06Jake Brennan?

  Yeah, it really, it sounds like you're, you're, you're hanging out with the wrong fucking people. That's it. And that's what was happening. Bowie was hanging out. Bowie and Iggy were both hanging out with the wrong people at the time. It just so happened that it was each other.

• 21:19Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, that's this film should be played loud, myself and Zeth Lundie getting down with our favorite music in movies. Go to disgracypod.com to sign up, become an all access member and cop that exclusive content. 617-906-6638 voicemail and text to get in touch like we do every week. Like I said with the Jane's Addiction episode, we prompted the question, who was the most consequential artist of the 90s? Let's check in with the 818.

• 21:48Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, it's Ken in 818, calling in about your question about which band best embodies the 90s. Thank you, by the way, for not saying which band is the most iconic. That word is getting seriously overused and it's annoying, but I digress. Who's the most important? No, it's gotta be Nirvana. Who's probably the longest lasting, still going, important band? Probably Pearl Jam. Best hard rock album from that era? Soundgarden, Super Unknown for me. I can't even get into 90s hip hop and R&B because that's like, that's like a whole separate podcast and you might be having that already in the works, who

• 22:27Speaker 05

  knows? But in terms of like, which band embodies for me the 90s? It's kind of a left field one because I never even listened to them until the 2000s. Uncle Tupelo. They created a whole genre, alt-country. They gave birth to two bands after they split up, Sunvolt and my favorite band, Wilco. I didn't even know about them until the Wilco movie, I'm Trying to Break Your Heart, came out. And then I kind of started going back and like, little did I know, that was a huge part of a lot of people's lives in the 90s. I know they started late 80s, only went into 94, but I think just the fact that they kind

• 23:08Speaker 05

  of created a whole new genre and gave birth to some bands out of that. For me, that's my answer. Thanks for all you're doing. If you don't have an Uncle Tupelo episode, I would suggest it, but you know what? You just talked about how people don't even know these things. I'm fairly new here. You probably have like two Uncle Tupelo episodes for all I know. Thanks a bunch, man. Rock and roll.

• 23:30Jake Brennan?

  Yo, Kane, great, great, great, great call. So much here to unpack.

• 23:36Jake Brennan?

  First of all, I hear you on the iconic thing. It drives me nuts. It absolutely drives me nuts. Not everybody can be iconic. Part of what makes somebody an icon is they they are separate and apart from everybody else. And there's a time component to it as well. So yeah, I could go on and on about that. I agree with you on Nirvana. I agree with you on what you said about Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. I do think though, that I don't really know how I haven't quite figured out how to how to position Jane's Addiction in this thinking, because I do firmly believe that if it weren't for their efforts, the Nirvana thing wouldn't have happened. Now, I suppose you could probably even trace it back further. You know, you can go from Jane's Addiction back perhaps to R E M and Pixies and the work they sort of did with College Radio and

• 24:21Jake Brennan?

  and sort of creating the runway for the the 90s explosion that was supercharged by Jane's Addiction and then Nirvana. And on 90s hip hop, you're right, that's a whole other separate conversation. I love 90s hip hop and R and B, by the way. And it's funny that you should bring up Uncle Tupelo. Uncle Tupelo, we just, we started talking about them in the we already taped the exclusive section, the conversation here between Zeth and I. You'll hear Zeth's experience with Uncle Tupelo as a young kid and that album, Not a Depression, was produced by a good friend of ours, Paul Coldery, who I've done a lot of work with in the past. Just a great, great record. I'm definitely more of a Tweety guy than I am Jay Farrar.

• 25:06Jake Brennan?

  But you know, I had Spotify on randomly playing random stuff the other day and this song came on. It was kind of a later it wasn't from No Depression. It was some Uncle Tupelo thing and it rocked so hard. And it was a Jay Farrar song.

• 25:22Jake Brennan?

  But I'm not really a Sunvolt guy, but I get it. I get why people are. Anyhow, great, great call. Lots to unpack there. Check out the all access section of this too. If you want to hear more about that Uncle Tupelo experience that Zeth had and some Ryan Adams stuff too. If you're into the whole alt country thing. All right, let's check out this voicemail from the six one seven. Jake, Neil from Brighton, Mass. 02135. I just want to say you're doing a great job. Love the episodes, the newer ones, and keep up the great work. If you're not around town, you're not missing a damn thing. Thank you for all you do. Neil, thank you for your call. I saw the six one seven zip code and I was like, oh, I gotta check out this Boston call. You did not disappoint, my friend. And yes, I am not

• 26:06Jake Brennan?

  in Boston and not around. I'll be there this weekend though. I'm going back and I'm excited about it. Can watch the Patriots in New England in the Super Bowl as it should be done. Right? Right? More on that later. 843 text in. Hey, Jane's Addiction was indeed the complete embodiment of the 1990s to me at the time. I pierced my septum at 13 and my senior quote in 93 was from Ocean Size. There you go. 360 text in. Hey, I met Perry Farrell one night on the way to an after hours club in Venice Beach, 1998. My friend Karen had her Hebrew name tattooed on the back of her calf and he, being Jewish, could read it. Came up behind us and chatted us up a minute. Turns out we're all going to the same club. Later on, I saw my

• 26:49Jake Brennan?

  brain pack up a suitcase and roll off down the sidewalk on a skateboard, but that's another story. I don't know what that's in reference to 360, but I'm happy you got to hang out with Perry Farrell. That sounds amazing. 978 Helltown Mark, he of the epic Disgrace Land playlist checking in here. Mark says, hey Jake, playlist is now up to and including Little Peep. He said for me to get in touch. Take advantage of your very generous Patreon offer. How can I get that going? That's a good question, Helltown Mark. We're going to figure that out. This is my very public note to figure that out. All right. Thanks for your patience and thanks for all you do. If anyone's like, what the hell is

• 27:29Jake Brennan?

  Jake and Helltown Mark talking about? Well, Mark has been going through every episode of Disgrace Land from the beginning. And as you know, there are probably about 260 episodes right now. Not exactly sure.

• 27:43Jake Brennan?

  And Mark is making a playlist with every piece of music mentioned from every single episode of Disgrace Land. And so far, he's up to a little peep, which is, I don't know, got to be around like episode 70 or something like that, the 80, something along those lines. Keep going, Mark. We'll get you that Patreon all access membership. 920 text in, "Episode suggestion, Ministry New World Order." I like that. Got to definitely do a Ministry episode at some point. 617-906-6638. Guys, get in touch. Interested to know from y'all, which of your favorite rock stars died before they got their due?

• 28:26Jake Brennan?

  That's what we're going to be talking about next week. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text to let me know. If you want to email me, you can do so at [email protected]. Rob Hervey writes in, "Hey, I enjoy your podcast. Thought of a couple of episode ideas. One is about Felix Popolari, bass player from Mountain, who was murdered by his wife, Gail. And the other story is about Mike Gordon, bassist for Phish. Around the tour of the millennium, he got into some trouble with some Hells Angels and wound up getting his balls stomped for taking pictures of an underage girl whose father was a club member. Have a great year." You know, we did a Phish episode. We did not get into this story. And there's, we had, we had our reasons. I didn't know this Hells Angels, I didn't write that

• 29:10Jake Brennan?

  episode, so maybe Zeth knows. I didn't know this Hells Angels angle. However, I wonder if this is true. We'll check this out, Rob, and report back. In the meantime, Rob, check out our Phish episode as it stands and let us know what you think. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text, @disgracelandpod on the socials, [email protected]. You want to get in touch, that's how you do it. Back in the flash after this.

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• 30:13Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 30:46Speaker 03

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• 31:22Jake Brennan?

  All right, Matt, it is Super Bowl week, my friend. It's back, baby. This is the 60 Second Sports Rant in Under 30 Seconds, sponsored by Five Hour Energy and the return of their confetti craze flavor. Bring big birthday energy wherever you go with this. Plan your confetti craze party at www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon. Available now. Matt, give me the buzzer beater. All right, listen, it's not easy being a New England Patriots fan. Some of you, fans of, say, the Vikings, or the Bills, or the Bengals, or the Jets, or other fans of long-suffering football franchises, you may look upon us, blanketed in our red, white, and blue, gearing up for our 12th Super Bowl appearance. Gearing up for our franchise leading seventh Super Bowl title.

• 32:04Jake Brennan?

  You may look upon our postseason dominance with envy, but let me tell you, it is not easy being a Patriots fan. It is not easy being this hated, this despised by the entire country. How bad do football fans hate the New England Patriots and their fans? Well, as you've probably heard, the winningest, most dominant coach in NFL history, Bill Belichick, with six Super Bowl titles as a head coach with the Pats, was denied entry into the Pro Football Hall of Fame last week. This week, Pats owner, Robert Kraft, also with six titles, was denied for the 14th time. Now, if having the most titles as a coach and owner does not get you into the Hall of Fame, then what does?

• 32:49Jake Brennan?

  And how do you explain this? Patriots hate, that's how. All right? But that's okay. That's cool. We'll take it. Pats players have long made league hate fuel for postseason victory, and I, of course, am hoping that they do so again this weekend. We shall see. All right, Matt, how'd I do? 128 today, Jake. You know, I think that's pretty good. You've been on the shelf for quite a while. You had a lot to say, you know? All right, well, that's okay. I'll take the L in hopes that the Pats get the W this weekend. That was the Sports Rant, sponsored by Five Hour Energy's Confetti Craze Flavor, backed by popular demand. Confetti Craze tastes like the best birthday cake ever with its rich buttery and vanilla-y flavors.

• 33:33Jake Brennan?

  Since Five Hour Energy shots are tiny, it's easy to take that birthday everywhere you go. Plan your Confetti Craze party at www.fivewhourenergy.com or Amazon, available now. All right, guys, got some merch coming to the merch winners. Keep an eye on that mailbox, for those who don't know. Disgraceful. Fans, audience members who review the show on Spotify or on Apple Podcasts will, if they hear their review reread back here and the show, receive some free merch. Might be a T-shirt, might be pins, might be some stickers. I'm looking at some DisgraceLand stickers right now on my desk. It's very easy to leave a review and reviews help power discovery of the show, help bring this show to new listeners and we appreciate that.

• 34:18Jake Brennan?

  Chris Hillman over on Spotify writes, "Hey Jake, great listen on this DisgraceLand episode of Jane's Addiction. The things Dave Navarro endured in his early life, like the brutal death of his mother, explains why he took so many risks. Couldn't imagine dealing with that just alone." Yeah, you're absolutely right, Chris. I'm feeling generous today, so here's another review on Spotify. This one by Sam Hunt who writes, "Hey, that Runaways episode gave me chills, dude. I know so much about the Runaways, but the way you tell these stories, especially the last bit, I needed to hear that right now." Sam Hunt, get in touch. 617-906-6638. Guys, hit me up on tech, send me a text, send me a voicemail. Edward Joseph, just shout out to you. Looks like I pronounced Bourgane wrong. The Bourgane lab from the Gaga episodes.

• 35:02Jake Brennan?

  You know, I actually did my homework on this. I looked it up. Damn it. I don't know, Edward. I don't know if I'm taking your word for it. Tiffany Williams writes, "Hear me out. I'm playing devil's advocate here on the Lady Gaga episode. Maybe it's a stretch, but what if Gaga spent her career paying homage to her friend by embodying her persona? I don't know, but damn Jake, this was good. Bravo." That's an interesting idea, Tiffany. You know, the idea that the conspiracy theory is that Lady Gaga stole Lena Morgana's whole vibe, her style, her music. I like your take, Tiffany, that maybe she was just paying homage to her dead friend. I like that.

• 35:41Jake Brennan?

  Girl Kai from chai.xx on Apple Podcasts writes, "Hey, I've known DisgraceLand forever, but for whatever reason, never actually pressed play until the most recent Lady Gaga Part One episode. And yeah, hooked is the word. 10 of 10 stars. Jake does a really amazing job at setting the dark and cinematic vibes without feeling exploitative and gossipy. It's nice to find a podcaster who respects nuance."

• 36:08Jake Brennan?

  Girl Kai from Chi, get in touch, we'll get you some merch and I appreciate you saying that about the nuance. It's, it's an interesting balance because if I'm being totally honest, as you know, I like the more dramatic portions of the story as I think we all do. That's the type of storytelling that I'm drawn to, but if you do that without nuance, it just becomes sensational. So finding that nuance and finding enough of it and not using too much of it is an interesting challenge when it comes to storytelling and we take it very seriously over here at Double Elvis and I gotta say, I'm very happy that, that you called that out. So get in touch, 617-906-6638 and we will get you some merch. Okay. Now, if you need just a little more

• 36:51Jake Brennan?

  Double Elvis storytelling in your life, like I said, over on Patreon, you guys can check out our new show, This Film Should Be Played Loud. We've also got mini episodes that correspond with our full episodes and all of it is ad free. In addition, we have another podcast called Hollywood Land that we produce and that show is helmed by my colleague, Dr. Zeth Lundie, who brings you all the Hollywood and true crime vibes. Subscribe to Hollywood Land in your podcast feed if you are not subscribed already. I'll be back after this.

• 37:38Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys. In this episode, we mentioned a ton of artists, but I remember specifically talking about Nirvana and Metallica in the B block. And for new listeners, if you're not aware, we have episodes on, of course, we have two episodes on Nirvana and we have a episode on Metallica and those are in our archive. Matt will have the episode information for both of those in the show notes section of this bonus episode. So you'll be able to easily navigate your way to Metallica and Nirvana and also Motley Crue. We mentioned Motley Crue as well. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week, our new episode on Jane's Addiction is available for you right now. Number two, Rewind episodes on The Beatles, Parts One and Part Coming up this end of this week, number three, next week, we got a brand new episode on Mia Zapata of the Gitz.

• 38:23Jake Brennan?

  Zeth, as always, is bringing you those Hollywood and true crime vibes in Hollywoodland. Make sure you are subscribed. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our new video podcast with our new episode on Trainspotting is available. You gotta be a Patreon member to cop that, so go to disgracempod.com to sign up. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling and texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you guys want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget Discos. This isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed, and no one cares about music, books, records, and the true crime and grime that ties them all together like you do, and well, that's a disgrace.

• 39:02Jake Brennan?

  All right, back on July 18th, 1991, Ice T's Body Count, The Rollins Band, Butthole Surfers, Living Color, Nine Inch Nails, Susie and the Banshees, and Jane's Addiction performed for the first ever show at the first ever Lollapalooza Tour, and here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Everything I Do, I Do It For You, Bryan Adams, last week, four, peak position, one, weeks on chart, five. Number two, Right Here, Right Now, Jesus Jones, last week, three, peak position, two, weeks on chart, sixteen.

• 39:45Jake Brennan?

  Number three, Unbelievable, EMF, last week, one, peak position, one, weeks on chart, sixteen. Number four, Passion, Rhythm and Synth Kids, last week, five, peak position, four, weeks on chart, nine. Number five, Summertime, DJ Jazzy Jeff has a fresh press.

• 40:21Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it. Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyage. It's back by popular demand, this five-night, adults-only escape set sail March 20th, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year, along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of DisgraceLand, along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners WiseCrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live

• 41:02Jake Brennan?

  podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime to secure your spot. I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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