Bonus Episode: Tupac Shakur Case Closed?

Finally! The mystery is over! We know who killed Tupac and why. Or do we? This and more, plus your voicemails, text, DMs, and emails in this week’s After Party bonus episode. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:10Jake Brennan?

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• 2:13Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:39Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the afterparty. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we discuss the answer, finally, to one of music history's burning questions. Who killed Tupac Shakur? We also get into some of the new episodes that we're covering in our upcoming season. Plus, we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories you'll end up telling someone else.

• 3:24Jake Brennan?

  All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:35Jake Brennan?

  Usually, when they solve a murder mystery in the movie or television series that you're watching, there's a feeling of satisfaction. And sometimes that satisfaction is tinged with a bit of sadness because you know that what you're watching is about to end and you know that these characters you've fallen in love with are about to no longer be a part of your life anymore. I feel like we're all experiencing this in real life right now. The end of the Tupac Shakur case feels incredibly unsatisfying. I don't know about you, but when they convicted Dwayne Keith D. Davis of first-degree murder with a deadly weapon for orchestrating the 1996 drive-by shooting death of Tupac that

• 4:19Jake Brennan?

  happened this week, I was left with this feeling of, is this it? What happened has been staring us in the face for decades? This was over a street fight? A stolen chain? Some Bloods and Crips beef? What about Diddy? What about the royalties Suge no longer had to pay Tupac? What about the Illuminati, man? I thought Tupac staged his death to escape fame. I thought Castro and Tupac's aunt faked the hit. What about the seven-day theory? Hold up, we're gonna convict Dwayne Keith D. Davis on his testimony about being in the back of the car where the shots that killed Tupac were fired from, but we're going

• 5:01Jake Brennan?

  to ignore Dwayne Keith D. Davis's testimony alleging Diddy offered a million dollars to anyone who took out both Tupac and Suge Knight?

• 5:12Jake Brennan?

  I guess so, for numerous reasons. The main one being that Dwayne Keith D. Davis proved himself to be an unreliable witness who could offer no proof for the theory that I just laid out. But his simple explanation of the stolen chain, the brawl that's on tape, and him admitting to being in the car and providing the gun to his nephew who fired the gun at Tupac, and Davis's own admission that had he been closer to Pac, he would have fired the gun himself, that testimony, that story, it was too simple to ignore. But sometimes conspiracy theories are too big to fail.

• 5:55Jake Brennan?

  The mystery of who murdered Tupac Shakur has been present in our popular culture for nearly 30 years. It's been pulsing through our collective bloodstream like an antibody for boredom. If the conversation at the party got boring, if a Tupac song came on randomly during a long drive, if 50 Cent tweeted out something hysterical at Diddy, we could count on a good back and forth with somebody over the hows and whys behind the mystery of Tupac's murder. But now, that's over. But not really. Because just like our favorite characters from the TV series that we love, we don't want to let go because we can't accept the resolution to this story. It's too simple. It's too clean. It's too boring.

• 6:40Jake Brennan?

  We've built the mystery of Tupac's death into something we're incapable of reconciling with because any explanation that doesn't achieve the same level of drama as the theories we've been obsessing over for the past three decades is inherently unsatisfying because the mystery of Tupac Shakur's murder is a conspiracy theory too big to fail. So I want to know, do you accept the verdict? The conviction of Dwayne Keith D. Davis? Do you believe that this is it? That Keith D. gave his cousin Orlando Anderson the gun to fire at Tupac in retaliation for the beatdown Tupac and his crew gave Anderson over the theft of a necklace?

• 7:23Jake Brennan?

  Can you accept this explanation and put down the conspiracy theories for good? 617-906-6638 to leave me a voicemail or send me a text to let me know your thoughts and you might hear your theory on next week's DisgraceLand Afterparty bonus episode. All right. So you heard me tee up some of the more popular conspiracy theories there involving Tupac. Zed and I are gonna dig into these in more detail in the exclusive section of the afterparty coming up at the end of this episode. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to unlock exclusive content like this, plus ad-free listening. Okay, in your feed right now, we have a special preview of all the new episodes that

• 8:06Jake Brennan?

  we're bringing to you in the coming season. A little bit more on these later, but we're talking about Queen, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Who Killed Bobby Fuller, and more, so make sure you check that out. Now, one of the stories that we're covering in this upcoming season of DisgraceLand investigates the truth behind some of the wilder statements Quincy Jones made toward the end of his life. Now, there are three outrageous claims Quincy Jones made that involve musical crimes or music and crime. So I dug in to find out if Quincy Jones, the greatest music producer of all time, was telling us the truth. First, theft. Was Michael Jackson a musical thief? Quincy said Michael stole a lot of songs.

• 8:49Jake Brennan?

  As producer of Michael's best work, Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad, why would Quincy Jones say this? We're gonna find out in our episode. The second, fraud. Quincy Jones claimed that the Beatles were, quote, "no-playing motherfuckers," and specifically that Ringo couldn't play his instrument in the studio. Now, is there any truth behind this? We're gonna find out in our episode. The third crime involves murder because Quincy Jones claimed that because of his close relationship with Frank Sinatra, that he knew who killed JFK. Now, come on, by now, we all know who killed JFK. But did Quincy Jones know something else? And how exactly would he have gotten this information?

• 9:33Jake Brennan?

  Who killed JFK? No playing motherfuckers in the king of theft. I mean, the king of pop in the Quincy Jones episode of Disgraceland coming soon. So in addition to investigating the wild claims Quincy Jones made about Michael Jackson being a thief, about the Beatles being unable to play their instruments, about Frank Sinatra being the reason that Q knew who killed JFK. In the upcoming season of Disgraceland, we're going to learn who killed Bobby Fuller. We're going to learn what the hell just happened with Reggie Watts and his recently deceased ex-girlfriend. We're going to learn if As I Lay Dying proves that the Christian metal scene is full of fake Christians. And just in time for Halloween, we're going to find out if Mr.

• 10:17Jake Brennan?

  I Put A Spell On You, Screamin' Jay Hawkins was murdered. That's right. Everybody knows about his 75 kids or whatever, but very few people know about this theory that some of the people who were very close to Jay Hawkins believe, and that is that he did not die of natural-ish causes, but that he was instead murdered. We're also going to find out what the hell was up with the Queen biopic from a couple of years ago. Was the real Freddie Mercury story just too fucking crazy, too debauched, too unbelievable to put on screen? Well, yes, yes, and yes. And we're going to give you all the Radio Gaga details in the Queen episode of Disgraceland. That's coming up next. That's next week.

• 10:58Jake Brennan?

  Plus, we get into Alice Cooper, David Crosby, Blind Melon, Shannon Hoon, and more in the upcoming season of the Disgraceland podcast. So that's part of our special episode. It's in the feed this week. We preview all of that. We get into it in lots more detail than I just did. Coming up right now, after this bonus episode, because of the recent conviction, this happened last week with Dolly Parton's death, we had Billie Holiday all teed up. We're going to go to Billie Holiday in the rewind slot. We didn't, we went to Dolly instead for obvious reasons. This week, we're going to go to Nirvana, parts one and two in the rewind slot, but that's not happening now because of the Tupac conviction. So we're going with our Tupac episodes, parts one and two.

• 11:39Jake Brennan?

  You want to hear about Tupac's rise and fall from his days in art school in Baltimore to being the face of one of the baddest record labels in the world? And you must listen to both parts of the Tupac episode in Disgraceland. I don't care if you've heard them before. In light of recent news, these are must-listen episodes, as are our episodes on Biggie Smalls as well. Those are in the archive. You can find those. Now, on Tupac, though, has there ever been a more contradictory character for music history than Tupac Shakur? He was both a scholar and a brawler. He studied art, poetry, theater, and he had thug life tattooed across his abdomen.

• 12:22Jake Brennan?

  He was emotionally vulnerable in his lyrics, but violent in the streets. He once shot two off-duty police officers and he beat down director Alan Hughes. He honored his mother in song, but was sentenced for first degree sexual assault. He dated the queen of cool Madonna, but was prison pals with Alyssa Milano's lame TV dad, Tony Danza. Tupac was born on the East Coast, but repped Blood's Red for Death Row out on the West Coast. He was friends with Biggie until he wasn't. And his death has been one of music history's greatest mysteries that turns out wasn't that mysterious at all.

• 13:02Jake Brennan?

  We get into all of this and more in the Tupac two-part episodes coming your way in the rewind slot this weekend in Disgraceland. Okay, coming up after those rewind episodes, our new episode on Queen. And our angle here was all the debauchery that Freddie Mercury got up to that was left out of the biopic. And the question of the week is, it's sort of the inverse of the Queen biopic. It's what music biopic have you seen? Do you feel gives an honest depiction of the musician's life?

• 13:46Jake Brennan?

  Which music biopic best gives an honest depiction of the musician's life? Let us know, 617-906-6638. I am constantly mulling this over in my mind. And look, guys, I think, you know, I don't think that music biopic should be just like, you know, documentaries, essentially. I get that things, believe me, I get that things need to be dramatized. However, sanitized is a different story completely. And that's what I feel like this Queen biopic was. It was sanitized, not sensationalized sanitized. Sensationalized isn't good either.

• 14:27Jake Brennan?

  Like an example of one that I think is great is a Serge Gainsbourg music biopic, Loretta Lynn's coal miner's daughter. There's a bunch that are great. We've talked about them, but I want to talk about them again in this context. So hit me up, 617-906-6638 with your answer, and you might hear yourself on next week's after-party. All right, discos, your answer to last week's question of the week with your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more coming up right after this.

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• 16:09Jake Brennan?

  Guys, I need you in here. You got to get in here. We're going to talk. You might be able to hear it in my voice, but I'm recording this really early today, much earlier than I normally do, and for no good reason. I just am. Tupac's got me all riled up this week. Let's get you guys in here. Let's do some questions, hear your voices, hear some voicemails, 617-906-6638. We had a lot of stuff going on last week. The Dolly Parton news really kind of shook everything up for us. I get a feeling your answers, your voicemails, your DMs, your texts are going to be all over the place, and that's good. I like talking about a lot of different things.

• 16:52Jake Brennan?

  All right, let's go to Clinton from the 317.

• 16:56Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, it's Clinton from the 317. Was listening to you and Zeph talking about Dolly Parton's stories, and there was one I saw that cracked me up. It's video footage from a concert and a fan shouts out, "I love you, Dolly." And she shouts back, "I love you too, but I told you to wait in the trunk." And it just hit me, you know, in a really funny way. She is such a funny lady and she will absolutely be missed. Keep on doing what you're doing, man. Love the show. Rockerola.

• 17:30Jake Brennan?

  Absolutely. Dolly Parton, just hysterical. Clinton, love the story. Hadn't heard that one. If you guys missed that conversation, that was from last week's exclusive section of the after-party. Zeph and I got into sort of the lighter side of Dolly Parton and some of the more anecdotal, interesting kind of stuff that, stories that people were sharing out there on the internet, and really, really funny ones after she died. Clinton, hadn't heard that one. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate it. All right, let's go to the 937.

• 17:57Speaker 06

  Hi Jake, I really liked your show. I just finished the episode about Alice Bag, and you'd asked about other underground artists that had influence. I'm from Dayton, Ohio. We had a band here called Brainiac. They were an amazing band. Their lead singer, Tim Taylor, he died in a car accident, but it was a pretty big shock. They actually did a documentary about them. Melissa Off Tomorrow was a big fan, and it might be an interesting story for you to look up. They had basically recorded an album that was OK Computer before OK Computer. It was called Hissing Pricks and Static Couture. Just something for you to look into. All right, thanks. Have a good day.

• 18:37Jake Brennan?

  Hey, 937, appreciate the voicemail. I didn't know that about, I didn't know the singer of Brainiac died. I had no idea. I actually saw Brainiac back in the 90s at the Middle East, upstairs maybe, or downstairs? I can't remember. They were great. Never really listened to any of their albums. I remember the show, though, and I remember them being a thing. But damn, man, I feel like an idiot because I didn't know that their singer died. I'll look into this. Sounds really interesting. Appreciate the call. I had no idea about the OK Computer influence there as well. I love that stuff, too. We were just talking about that as it pertains to Beck and Serge Gainsbourg. I love when you hear an album, you know, an album, and you think you know the shit out of it, like, I know OK Computer.

• 19:22Jake Brennan?

  And then you hear something else and you're just like, oh, my God, I cannot believe how similar this is. I cannot believe that this was sort of the deep dive that the artist, whose album I've been digging on, this is where they were going for influence. It's so obvious now. That's the case with Beck's Sea Change and Serge Gainsbourg's melody, "Dinelsin." It sounds like it's the same thing here with Brainiac and Hissing Pricks and Static Couture and OK Computer. 937, really great call. Appreciate it. All right, we got a, from 978, we got a video here that was texting into us. I'm going to play this. It's short, super short, kind of noisy, but check it out.

• 20:11Jake Brennan?

  That's Helltown Mark in the 978. If you didn't hear what he said, he said, damn it, Jake, now what do I do? And he did that because his text, the text that he accompanied with that video says, boom, all caps, done, lol. Okay, I guess I should say current. Just finished the Alice Bag episode, and I will continue to add from each future episode, but here you have it. Every song ever mentioned from every full episode of Disgrace Land in one playlist created by Helltown Mark Disco. I was gonna say Disco of the Year, Disco

• 20:53Jake Brennan?

  of the Century. I'm looking at the playlist on Apple Music here. Let's get some data. How many songs? What am I looking at? This is, uh, this is big. Uh, the, the description says, uh, it's called Disgrace Land Songs. And then the description says, I compiled this list because I don't need the rights to Podcast Cheese. And this is all the number ones and every other song mentioned in Disgrace Land, rock-a-rola. And, uh, I'm just, this is everything from Van Morrison to, uh, NWA to Bob Marley. So this isn't just the number one songs I talk about in the A Block in the tops of the episodes. This is even when

• 21:38Jake Brennan?

  I reference a song, it's like, you know, nine Who songs I'm looking at here that were mentioned in the Who episode, I'm guessing. I'm going down here. It's got a bunch of Oasis, Stone Roses, uh, A Guy Called Gerald. I don't even know what the fuck that is, but I must have talked about it at some point because Helltown Mark went through all of our episodes, notated each song that was mentioned and put them in this playlist. Bunch of Tupac here that I'm looking at, Juan adds by Honey Cone, Graham Parsons, Jay Giles Band, The Misfits, Dolly Parton, Ramblin' Jack Elliott, Slim Harpo, Donna Summer. My goodness. This thing

• 22:19Jake Brennan?

  goes on and on and on. Great job, Mark. I'm going to, uh, I'm obviously going to put this in the Patreon chat where Mark hangs out with the rest of the discos who are in there as part of the disco community. But I'm also going to do something else. I think I'm going to make a reel so that I can, uh, bring this to the masses and point people to this epic playlist. Uh, Mark, I'm trying to figure out how many songs are on this frickin' thing. And I think because I'm not signed into Apple at the moment, and perhaps maybe because there are so many damn songs and I just keep scrolling and it just keeps loading, it's not telling me how many tracks are in here. Call us back, text us back, 617-906-66638. Give me a song total, if you don't mind. Not that you need more work, not that you

• 23:03Jake Brennan?

  haven't done enough. But, um, I'm interested to know how many tunes we have mentioned in all 290-ish episodes of Disgrace Land up to this point. Amazing, dude. Incredible. I can't wait to listen to this. Thank you so much. Very cool. All right. This one comes, this is a two-part text from the 681 comes from Blue. It says, Hey Jake, this is going to be a two-parter. It's Blue from the 681. I just had to tell you how absolutely beautiful your tribute was to Dolly Parton. I've been trying to find a word to describe her and you nailed it. She had immense grace. I grew up listening to country music via my huge extended family and I loved her voice, music, and most of all, her wit. Music has been

• 23:47Jake Brennan?

  the soundtrack to my life from all the bubblegum pop music, right up until I discovered my older brother's Beatles 45 records. Yeah, I'm that old. I loved a wide variety of music as a teenager, got away from the contemporary stuff and got into metal and then graduated to other genres, goth punk, bluegrass, rap, country and blues. And as a kid, I wanted to learn to play slide guitar, but my mother decided that I should play piano. So I took 10 years of classical lessons. Blue goes on to give praise for Zeph and I and the shows that we do and the conversations we have. And Blue, I just gotta say, thank you so much. Hope, hope the broken ankle is, uh, is healing up. Appreciate your writing in. Thanks, Blue. Lisa texts in from the 907. Hey Jake, you might have already covered this great quote

• 24:30Jake Brennan?

  from Dolly Parton in the exclusive section of your last after-party with Seth, but it's worth repeating. Quote, "I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb. And I also know I'm not blonde either. We should all be so self-aware." Lisa from the 907. That's great. Love that. Thanks, Lisa. All right. Guys, discos, 617-906-66638. Hit us up, voicemail and text. You might hear yourself in the after-party next week. Gonna want your music biopic recommendations, specifically on the ones you think are the more honest depictions of the musicians' lives. You can also, uh, hit me up at Disgrace

• 25:13Jake Brennan?

  Land Pod. Get in the comments. That's, uh, that's gonna get a surefire, quick response. Uh, if not from me, from some other fucking lunatic, or maybe a fellow sane disco. And if, uh, you want immediate access, just, uh, jump in the Patreon chat and the discos will get at you. I'll get at you. Zeph will get at you. We're all over there. If you want to get into the, the Patreon chat, go to disgracelandpod.com, sign up to become an All-Access member and, you know, get in there with your fellow discos, get, uh, get all the exclusive content, the upcoming conversation I'm about to have with Zeph, or this film should be played loud video podcast, plus ad-free listening all by becoming an All-Access member. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. All right. I'm gonna be back

• 25:58Jake Brennan?

  right after this with your emails. Don't go anywhere.

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• 27:15Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we're back. Uh, last week after Dolly Parton departed, uh, we were talking about Dolly's place in the sort of Mount Rushmore of American songwriters and was, we asked the question, if she's not in the top five list, who is? Mary from the 510 writes in, "Hey, big fan of the pod. I've been listening for years and the way you tell stories is the absolute best in the business. As for your question this week, I have the ultimate respect for Dolly, rest in peace, but I didn't grow up with her and she doesn't hold that much nostalgia for me as she does for others. My top five American songwriters would be Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Neil Peart, Lana Del Rey, and Paul Simon, with Stevie Nicks as an honorable mention. Keep up the great work. And if you read this

• 27:59Jake Brennan?

  on the pod, I will literally die." Rock-a-rola. Don't die. Please don't die, Mary. Okay? Uh, Mary goes on to say, "I know, I just sent this in, but I realized and totally forgot that you asked about American songwriters and Neil is Canadian. Because of this, I replace him with Stevie Nicks." I didn't realize Neil Peart wrote Rush songs. I don't know a lot about Rush, guys, but you know, Mary's prompting me. She's compelling me. I'm compelled by the email of Mary. I'm compelled by the email of Mary. I must learn more about Neil Peart and Rush. There's a Rush episode out there. I know there is. Something about a brawl. I don't know. Something. I heard something once. I know there's enough. I

• 28:38Jake Brennan?

  got it written down somewhere. [email protected]. Darren emails us, "Hey Jake, I understand that sometimes there are just certain roadblocks that prevent entrance into the catalog of a band. Willen was your roadblock, but that tune is just the tip of the iceberg. Do not miss out on one of the great bands of the 70s. Lowell George is indeed one of the great singer-songwriters, slide guitar players of his era. He had so much soul and played with such a beautiful touch, and he left this way too soon. Here's a playlist of songs that you should listen to, and they were so funky and just in the pocket, tons of soul. Spanish Moon, uh, Feet's Don't Fail Me Now, uh, Skin It Black, Two Trains, Fool

• 29:20Jake Brennan?

  Yourself, Fat Man in the Bathtub." It's a bunch of other ones here. He goes on to say at the end of the email, "And check out Robert Palmer's first album, Sneaking Sally Through the Alley. Little Feet and The Meters are the backing band. Killer album, including a version of the Feet tune, Sail and Choose." I know that album. I own that album. I love that album. And somewhere in the back of my brain, I knew that Little Feet was affiliated, but had blocked it out. All right. You have convinced me, sir. I think what I'm gonna do, I love the playlist. Thank you. But I think I'm just gonna queue up Feet's Don't Fail Me Now. I'm gonna start there. All right. Maybe while I'm cooking. Sounds like this would be good kitchen music. Okay. Kitchen music. There's an idea. All right. One of my favorite Hollywood subjects in Hollywood land this week in the Hollywood land feed

• 30:04Jake Brennan?

  with Zeph, Dr. Zeph Lundey. We're talking Sharon Tate. All right. And in the Dirty Rex, we got into songs from 1969. And I promise you, I did not recommend songs from 1969 that are obvious. All right. I promise you that. Go to the Hollywood land feed. Make sure you're subscribed. Get in on that conversation with Zeph and I. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio app, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. Listen, this film should be played loud. Gotta say, new, uh, new episode on Licorice Pizza is up now. We are filming the next one, uh, this week. That's gonna be on gross point blank next week. I think we're doing it. I don't know. Zeph and I can't seem to figure out when we're filming

• 30:46Jake Brennan?

  this damn thing. Anyways, here's a clip of the Licorice Pizza, this film should be loud episode that's available for All-Access members right now on Patreon. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up and join. Matt, play me the clip. I was really excited to cover this movie and this film should be played loud. Because I saw this movie whenever it was made first available, like the first minute you could, you could watch it at home, I watched it. And I don't remember if it was one of those things where it was like it had a long theatrical release or a short one. I don't remember. All I know is I was there for it. I watched it in the fog of having a new young child in our home. And I promptly just, I don't know, it didn't get my full attention. Yeah.

• 31:31Jake Brennan?

  And I remember being completely excited to watch this movie because of the music in the trailer in particular. And so anyways, I'm stoked to dive back into this. That was my first experience seeing the film. You being a PTA mega fan. Yeah. I'm sure you were like camping out at your local theater to get tickets. Well, I wish, I wish dude, but if I recall correctly, this didn't have a super wide release. And I think, and it, and it didn't perform exactly all that well at the theater. I think it lost money. Yeah. So when it, when it was released, I don't even think it played anywhere near me. So I saw it the way you did. The minute it hit streaming, I think I bought it on Apple TV.

• 32:16Jake Brennan?

  And this is what 21, 2020? Very end of 2021. So we probably saw it early 2022 is my guess. So it's in that weird period where like a year and a half, a year and a half outside of COVID and things are still kind of half open, not open, depending on where you are in the part of the country and what fucking strain of the virus was currently trendy that week. And so every, it was, it was still weird is my point. We weren't, we weren't back to normal. So I wonder what that had to do with the, the sort of the, the business side of this film, but it doesn't matter. This film's fucking great. I don't care what anybody says. It is. And the music is amazing as the music in all of Paul Thomas Anderson's movies are. Yep.

• 33:01Jake Brennan?

  And he does this beautiful thing that I love that Spike Lee does, that we were talking about in Do the Right Thing in the last episode of this film, should be played loud, where he just let, he lets these songs go and go and just creates this like beautiful atmosphere where he's using needle drops as, as score in the truest sense of the word. Almost, almost like a, a big 1950s John Ford type of thing, you know, with this expansive orchestral piece. But instead here you've got, I don't know, Susie Quatro. Yeah, right. Right. Gary Puckett. Yeah, Gary. But he also does a similar thing that Spike Lee does, where he, there is a score

• 33:41Jake Brennan?

  in this film composed by Johnny Greenwood of Radiohead, who's done, I think all of PTA scores since There Will Be Blood. He does this thing where Johnny Greenwood's score is playing and the characters will go into a, a, a place, a store or a bar, and there's a song playing in there. And so the score and the needle drop are both playing at the same time. Mm hmm. And it's, it's incredible filmmaking. I remember the, he does this in Magnolia, in the bar scene in Magnolia. And I remember with William H. Macy, and he's got, he's got a crush on the bartender. And there's a Supertramp song playing in the bar while John Bryan's score is playing. And it's just, it's just incredible.

• 34:24Jake Brennan?

  So he, he hasn't worked with John Bryan since starting to work with Johnny Greenwood, huh? That's, that's interesting. Yeah. So John Bryan did Magnolia and Punch Drunk Love, right? And then he pivoted to, he must've met John, because he's shot music videos for amongst other people, Radiohead and, and Heim and Fiona Apple. So he must've met Radiohead that way, I guess. And then, or maybe it was vice versa. I don't know. He's doing something with Geese now, isn't he? Yeah, he and Benny Safdie were seen shooting Cameron Winter's solo show at Carnegie Hall. Right? Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's going to be incredible. Whatever that is. Whatever it is. Yeah. Whatever that's going to be, we are absolutely here for it. All right. Again,

• 35:06Jake Brennan?

  you want to watch that? You want to watch this film should be played loud in its entirety? Sign up, become an all access member at disgracelandpod.com. Listen, I got to get Dr. Lundy, he's knocking at the door. I got to get him in here. We're going to have this conversation about, what are we talking about? We're talking about Tupac conspiracy theories, some of the more crazy ones. I want to know about the seven step thing. Does that have anything to do with the 12 tone theory, John Coltrane, that whole thing? I don't think it does, but you know, both are swimming around my head at the same time. Perhaps. Maybe we're just going to talk Fidel Castro and the Black Panthers. I'm not sure. Zeth's bringing it to us. You can find out alongside me. Go to disgracelandpod.com, become an all access member and let's get into this conversation. We'll be back right after this.

• 35:58Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back and I'm ready to get out of here. But before I do, I'm just going to say, hey, thanks. Thanks for being awesome. Thanks for being you guys. Thanks for showing up every week. Thanks to all the, all the discos who have been here for fucking eight years. Thanks for all the new listeners as well. There's a ton more of you guys. I see you. I see you coming in every week. I see you on the socials. I'm getting the emails. I'm getting the texts. I'm getting the voicemails. And I just want to say, thanks. I appreciate it. All right. Newbies, old, old heads, whatever you are, you want to hear some other disgracing episodes. If I mention an artist here and it kind of gets you excited about digging in more, we have so many episodes in our archive. I think we're around like our 290

• 36:43Jake Brennan?

  episodes. We're close to 300. Most, you know, all on different artists, different genres. You got any questions about anything? You need some guidance in, in culling your way through? Hit us up at disgracelandpod on the socials. Hit us up 617-906-66638. Send me a DM at disgracelandpod. I think I just said that. Email me [email protected]. Let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week, our new episode is the preview of the coming episodes in the new season of DisgraceLand. Check that out if you want the inside dope on what's coming down the pike. Number two, in the rewind slot this weekend, our classic

• 37:23Jake Brennan?

  episodes, part one and part two on Tupac Shakur. Next week, number three, our new episode on Queen. Number four, Zeth's going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes and Hollywood land. So make sure you are subscribed. I'm going to give you my music recs and the Hollywood land rap party as well. This film should be played loud. That's our video podcast. Our new episode on Licorice Pizza is available for you to check out. And our next episode on Gross Point Blank is coming September 23rd. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an all access member. 617-906-66638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting, keep your answers to this week's question

• 38:05Jake Brennan?

  of the week coming. Let me know whatever else you want to talk about. I'm here for it. Don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed and no one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And that's a disgrace. All right. Back on September 13th, 1996, Tupac was killed. And this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts.

• 38:34Jake Brennan?

  Number one, Macarena Bayside Boys Mix, Los Del Rio. Last week, one, peak position, one, weeks on chart, 39. Number two, I love you always forever, Donna Lewis. Last week, two, peak position, two, weeks on chart, 13. Number three, Twisted Keith Sweat. Last week, three, peak position, two, weeks on chart, 13. Number four, Lounge, LL Cool J. Last week, peak position, weeks on chart, number five.

• 39:26Speaker 07

  Quit talking and start mixing.

• 39:31Speaker 07

  I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, standup comedian, creator and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast, all about robbery, fraud and those who practice it. Each week I bring on an amazing guest. Ooh, I scammed them. What? I could talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.