Bonus Episode: The Madness of Moviemaking

This week, Jake talks about his experience trying to get a movie made and reflects on the obsessive drive that is required for filmmakers like Martin Scorsese to take a film from concept to the screen. On Friday, we're celebrating Oscar week by bringing you our two part episode on Marilyn Monroe. Jake wants to know: Do you think the Kennedys had anything to do with Marilyn's death? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [email protected] mailto:[email protected], or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 167 - Van Halen https://www.disgracelandpod.com/167/van-halen Episode 92 - Derek and the Dominos https://www.disgracelandpod.com/092/eric-clapton Episode 71 - David Bowie https://www.disgracelandpod.com/071/david-bowie To hear an extended version of the After Party and gain access to this month's exclusive episode on guitar legend Stevie Ray Vaughan, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership. https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTER https://mailchi.mp/doubleelvis/disgraceland-email-newsletter Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/disgracelandpod/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@disgracelandpod X https://twitter.com/disgracelandpod (formerly Twitter) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:44Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The After Party.

• 2:10Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's episode subject, Martin Scorsese and his violent fantasy and itty bitty bit of ditty. We are also getting into the next two episodes hitting your feed in honor of the upcoming Academy Awards, our classic two-parter on Marilyn Monroe. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie All Right Discos. Let's get into it.

• 2:59Jake Brennan?

  Between the years 2022 and 2024, I spent a good portion of my working output writing a script for one of the biggest stars in the world in collaboration with his production team, his key producer, and in partnership with a screenwriting buddy of mine. This was a movie, a biopic, not about a rock star, but nonetheless about a legend, someone that my buddy and I, but mainly my buddy, not me, had put all the pieces together for, including meeting with and working with this legend's family multiple times. It was all quite heady. And for the first six months or so, it was difficult, but nothing seemed too hard. And certainly, nothing about the project seemed impossible, despite, you know, the people we were working

• 3:44Jake Brennan?

  with and who we were writing this screenplay about. This, however, as they say, would not last. The project, like most film projects, crashed and burned. I was just about to say crashed and burned for reasons that were beyond my control. But if I'm being honest, some of those reasons were within my control. If only I had the insane drive that it takes to make a movie, not to write a movie necessarily, but to make it, to helm it, to direct it, to see it through from the spark of inspiration, all the way to the big screen, which is a years-long process, that whole path through all the painful steps in between.

• 4:24Jake Brennan?

  Throughout this years-long process of researching and writing this screenplay that I was on, there were lots of starts and stops. The research process was such, you know, we can only read so much, but we had to get in there, we had to get our hands dirty with the family, we had to get our hands dirty with people who knew the subject. So we would travel, we would interview people, then we would write, we would draft, we would submit what we wrote to our producing partner, again, the main producer for the big Hollywood star that we were writing the script for. And then we'd have to wait, usually weeks before we would get, sometimes months actually, before we'd get notes back and be able to dive back into the writing. In that in-between time, I started reading books about movies.

• 5:06Jake Brennan?

  I had no experience, I have still, very little experience at all in making film. At the time, I had no experience in making movies. And here I was, working with, you know, these people with tons of experience, the cream of the crop, so to speak. So I thought, yeah, I should learn a thing or two here about the world that I'm now working in. I read two books with Martin Scorsese, one entitled A Personal Journey Through American Movies with Martin Scorsese, which is fantastic. If you ever see this book, just buy it. It's so good. It's, the book, I believe, is just the book version of a documentary by the same exact name. And it's really great. It's Scorsese taking you through the history of film, and who better a guy than Martin Scorsese? And you can feel his passion and

• 5:50Jake Brennan?

  his enthusiasm in talking about these filmmakers from different eras long ago, filmmakers, frankly, that a lot of their movies I'd never seen. I don't know the history of film like I know the history of music. So this is a really fantastic book to get into. The other Scorsese book that I read during this time is entitled Conversations with Martin Scorsese by Richard Schnickel, also great, but totally different. This book didn't take me through the great films from Hollywood's past. It took me through all of Scorsese's films, with Scorsese commenting on them. And unlike the other book, where Scorsese is largely radiating love and affection for these films that he reveres, in this book,

• 6:33Jake Brennan?

  the one that I'm now talking about, the vibe is kind of the opposite. Scorsese, when talking about his films, he seems miserable. I'm not kidding.

• 6:42Jake Brennan?

  I was shocked. How would I feel if I made Goodfellas? I'd feel like a fucking golden god, as you would as well. That movie is incredible. It still gives me, I'm still thrilled every time I see it. And I've seen it well over a hundred times. But the thing I guess that I didn't fully realize, and part of this realization was starting to rear its ugly head to me in real time with the film project that I was on, was this reality that is making movies. The reality is that it is incredibly hard to make the movie you want to make. And Scorsese had a hard time throughout his career on pretty much every single movie, well after he achieved success even. He had a very difficult time in making the movies that he wanted to make.

• 7:27Jake Brennan?

  And that part just blew my mind. The fact that after Martin Scorsese made Taxi Driver and Raging Bull and Goodfellas, that the studio executives were still insisting things like he changed the end of the departed. That's mind blowing to me. And what does a studio executive possibly know about ending a movie that Martin Scorsese doesn't? Making big budget Hollywood movies with big studios and A-list celebrities, directing those movies, helming those movies, making the movie you originally signed up to make within that paradigm is, in my opinion, no way to make a living. Unless you want a boss and an ulcer and a cocaine habit like Martin Scorsese had.

• 8:10Jake Brennan?

  There's just too much money at stake. In the case of the film we were trying to make, we were writing it for a $250 million budget. With that kind of money to finance a movie production, there's going to be a lot of oversight, obviously, I don't blame the studios for that. But with that oversight, there's going to be input from people who don't share your vision, but feel that they need to do and say something to help the movie succeed. I would feel the same way if I was a producer. You know, the reality is a lot of times they don't understand what you're trying to make. Not, not on a personal level. And that's the problem. It's actually your problem if you put yourself in that situation because you took their money and decided to make a movie for them.

• 8:53Jake Brennan?

  Okay. What Martin Scorsese and the so-called Hollywood brats, Steven Spielberg, Brian De Palma, the guys that, that this last episode are disgracing is about. What, what, what the Hollywood brats did first was they took that studio money and then they made movies for themselves. Personal movies on huge studio budgets and they did this at great personal cost to themselves. The battles they had to endure to get these films made the way they wanted to make them was, was huge. And there's no better example of this than Martin Scorsese. His movies almost killed him. I say all this because of this week's full episode on Martin Scorsese and Taxi Driver, but he went through an equally harrowing, if not more fraud experience.

• 9:33Jake Brennan?

  Getting the last temptation of Christ made. Some filmmakers, of course, just give the studio what they want. And what we get under this process more often than not is just straight up garbage. Your reboots, your remakes, your Marvel movies. Scorsese is right. These aren't films because a film to Scorsese is personal. It's a personal vision, a POV expressed on film through the characters up on the screen. And there's more artistic expression, I think, in a Marvel comic than there is in a Marvel movie. This is a tangent though. I'm not prepared to digress into at this moment, so I don't want to get off point. But my point is, uh, other directors, you know, they're still making films, personal films for sure.

• 10:15Jake Brennan?

  Someone like, you know, he's an actor, but he's also a director, someone like Ethan Hawke comes to mind, or even Paul Schrader, who's, who wrote Taxi Driver, who's also a director and still directing films. Uh, these are auteurs. Okay. And, but they've chosen now, these days to work outside of the studio system to, to make movies that are meaningful to them, that they can express their, their, their point of view. And of course they're working with smaller budgets. Uh, but they are making great movies and, and they're just different. They're not part of the studio system. You also now have your anomalies like Steven Spielberg and Quentin Tarantino, who have somehow, and I think this is part of their brilliance. Figured out how to work with the studios and still get their vision across. And, you know, Tarantino talks now about how.

• 10:59Jake Brennan?

  You know, his, his sets are, are a blast to be on, that they have fun and he has a way of, of making it work. And he certainly, I believe, though I don't have any research on this, but I'm fairly certain the studios still, still have some input into the films that he's making despite what he would, he would probably want you to know. Uh, but I think, you know, he's probably figured out a way to work with them. And like I said, there's a skill in that. There's an art in that and it comes with time. And I'm sure Steven Spielberg had mastered that long, long, long ago. And you know, we know, we're talking a lot about Martin Scorsese, but I believe Martin Scorsese is probably at this point in his career too. They leave him alone. They let him do what he wants to do. And I think that's part of the deals that he signs nowadays, right? It's, it's, it's part of what he's going to do. You can't touch him. He's going to make his movie, right? And he, and he should be given that right for sure. But

• 11:43Jake Brennan?

  still, I'm sure there's some studio oversight on some level for, for Scorsese now, Tarantino, Spielberg even. Uh, and, and like I said, there's an art to dealing with all that. And that's just one more superpower that these guys have that we don't, that allows them to be able to make these movies. It's, it's not just an ability to think out of the box and solve problems creatively as Scorsese does with, with Taxi Driver, when he finds the solution to the end of his film. That spoiler alert, if you haven't heard my episode yet, uh, the solution that prevents him from literally killing a studio executive, but it's also the ability, the ability to fight, capital F I G H T, fight, to push,

• 12:23Jake Brennan?

  to be relentless in your creative pursuit, to not take no for an answer on anything ever when it comes to getting your creative point of view across, your personal story across on film and getting your film made. I didn't have that fight in me frankly, because I'm already in a fight. I'm fighting daily to make sure that my podcast is heard by as many people as possible. I'm fighting daily to find and write the best stories that I can. I'm fighting daily to preserve the spirit of rock and roll alongside you guys. Martin Scorsese is about as rock and roll as you can get, by the way. And one of the things I've learned from researching the history of rock and roll, and I guess just researching history in general, is you can really only take on one fight at a time. You don't want

• 13:06Jake Brennan?

  to be like the Germans in World War II. I wasn't going to risk this for that. I wasn't going to risk the thing I created, Disgraceland, that allows me to express my personal vision and creative point of view every week, to collaborate with a small committee of people on a, on a shared vision and to ultimately have a boss and have to beg people, even in success, for the right to work. Needless to say, the project I was working on did not make it onto film, but I am okay with that. I'm not Martin Scorsese, obviously, but I am Jake Brennan. And the story I wrote about Martin Scorsese that is in your podcast feed right now is some of the best writing that I've ever done and some of the best production we hear at Double Elvis have ever produced. And when you hear it, you'll now know why it's so personal to me.

• 13:50Jake Brennan?

  Okay. Just wanted to let you guys know on Friday, speaking of Hollywood, we are rewinding our Marilyn Monroe episodes in part because the Oscars are coming up and in part because I'm hoping the disclosure gods smile upon us and drop some hot JFK assassination file awesomeness right when I resurface these Marilyn Monroe episodes. Though that seems like a pretty big ask. I'm not sure that's going to happen. Regardless, these episodes are wildly entertaining. They're classics. If you like Hollywood and you like historical conspiracy, you're going to love these if you haven't heard them. And if you have heard them, you're going to love them again when you listen to them for the second time. These episodes, you know, I shouldn't say conspiracy. Did I say conspiracy? Part of me categorizes Marilyn Monroe's story as historical conspiracy. Not that that's an actual phrase, but that's

• 14:33Jake Brennan?

  about how I think about it in my head. But it's not conspiracy. It's more mythology. We don't know how she died. I don't care. And the official explanation is not what happened. Okay. You gotta be, I don't know, you gotta really, really jump through some mental hoops to, to go with that theory. And this, these episodes get into all three theories on her death. Okay. So when you, when you listen to them, or if you re-listen, maybe you'll have a new, different insight into how you think Marilyn actually died. Okay. Either way, that's going to be my question of the week for next week. When you're listening to these episodes and contemplating the supposed release of these JFK files, I want you to be thinking about the likelihood that the Kennedys had anything to do with Marilyn's death. That's going to be the question of the week. You know, I'm not going to go all

• 15:18Jake Brennan?

  Glenn Danzig and ask you who killed Marilyn, but I do want to know if you guys think the Kennedys had anything to do with her death. Hit me up and let me know 617-906-6638 and leave a voicemail or text and you might hear it answered in next week's after party. All right. After these Marilyn episodes, we're continuing our Oscar related run here with a dive into legendary Hollywood madman and a dude that was More rock and roll than most rock stars ever dreamed of being. And that's Dennis Hopper. Guys, we're coming to the end of our icon series. Dennis Hopper will be one of the last non-music-related subjects released into the Disgrace Land feed. And we soon will once again be all music and disgraced land. I'll have news shortly on where and when you can hear me talking Hollywood elsewhere. Okay, I'll be back in Flash with your answers to last week's question of the week.

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• 17:50Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Just a quick reminder to make sure you Apple Podcast listeners have auto downloads turned on so you're not missing any episodes. Diddy, diddy, diddy. All right. Diddy, diddy, diddy. Just 30 seconds here, real quick. After we released last week's after-party, and I talked about Sean Combs and what I think is gonna happen, like, like, speaking of 30 seconds, about 30 seconds after that, dude's lawyer quit. Now, I don't know what happened here. As far as I can tell, nobody else knows what happened either. There's lots of rumors on the internet, as you would expect, about why the lawyer quit, but I haven't seen anything substantial that tells us why. And I'm not gonna pretend to understand the reasoning here, because I don't, and I don't think

• 18:31Jake Brennan?

  anyone but those in Diddy's inner circle, or on his legal team, actually know. What is going to happen? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We shall see, though, right? Let's hope. All right, that's my Diddy update. Let's move on to the question of the week. 617-906-6638 to leave me a voicemail, send me a text. You can also reach me at @DisgraceLandPod on Instagram, Facebook, and X. All right, relative to this week's episode on Martin Scorsese, we asked the question, who's, who's on your Mount Rushmore of, of directors? Who's your favorite filmmaker and why? That was the question, and we're gonna go to Justin in the 540 for an answer.

• 19:09Speaker 05

  Oh, yes, Mr. Brennan, this is Justin from the 540. I was replying to your question of best directors. Well, the first one you have to look at is Sam Peckinpah. I mean, he, he did the wild bunch. Arguably, we were talking about violent movies. That's arguably one of the most violent movies I've ever seen. But anyway, then he went on to do Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, which is a great movie. And a little-known fact, at the end of Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, when they shot the scene where Billy the Kid gets shot... Uh, everybody said, oh, there's no blood. There's no blood. That's symbolic. It means he wasn't

• 19:51Speaker 05

  killed. He's not dead. Sam Peckinpah in an interview later said, no, he just forgot to set the shot up. So they did it anyway with no blood. But anyway, the real director for me is John Carpenter. I mean, it all started with me. It was Halloween. That movie scared the shit out of me. And then, I mean, we get Escape from New York, The Trouble in Little China, They Live, Ghosts of Mars. He, for a brief time, he was married to Edgar and Barbao. That's pretty serious. But anyway, uh, he also, uh, does his own musical scores. I just said, John Carpenter is my, my all time favorite.

• 20:35Speaker 05

  But anyway, keep up the good work. Rock and roll. Later.

• 20:39Jake Brennan?

  Justin, um, hey, man, really appreciate the call because I appreciate any opportunity to talk about Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid by Sam Peckinpah. Uh, I, I have so much to say about this. Number one, this is one of my favorite movies of all time. Definitely in my top five. I don't know why this movie doesn't get more heat. I don't know why people don't talk about it more. It is incredible. Okay. Maybe it's because people don't like westerns, but it's not, I mean, it is a western. It's clearly a western. However, it's, it's more about Peckinpah's statement on 1960s counterculture at the time that this was made. And you got to think, we're talking about the Hollywood Brats before. The Brats come in sort of right at the tail end of, of Peckinpah's kind of, uh,

• 21:22Jake Brennan?

  activity, or I guess greatness. He, he was still, still chugged along in the seventies, but this is the peak of it right here. Go see Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. If for no other reason than to watch Bob Dylan in an incredible role as Alias. Okay. Just fantastic. You know, it's funny. I was, I've been thinking about this movie a lot, really, really recently because I'm re-watching Eastbound and Down, like Kenny Powers' story on, um, on HBO and Wayne Kramer from MC5 does the music for Eastbound and Down. And I'm watching, it must've been season two. I'm watching season two and I'm sitting there going, man, he is just ripping off Bob Dylan from Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, because Bob Dylan does the soundtrack, excellent soundtrack

• 22:04Jake Brennan?

  for the film Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. It's 1972, I believe, 73 for Dylan. It's where the song Knocking on Heaven's Door comes from, is from the soundtrack. And there's a real feel to all the Dylan songs that make up this movie. It feels very much, this album feels like an album, you know, and it feels very connected to this film. It's soundtrack. And when you're, when you're watching that, I think it's the second season of Eastbound and Down, I'm sitting there and I'm going, wow, this really, he's really ripping off Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, because Kenny Power's story at this point, Kenny's now in Mexico, staging a comeback for the majors. And Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid takes

• 22:47Jake Brennan?

  place in and around Mexico. So I was like, yeah, Wayne Kramer's definitely seen this movie, I think, and that's what he's going for. And lo and behold, at the end of the season, they actually use one of Dylan's songs from that soundtrack. So, Justin, if you have not watched Eastbound and Down, just, you know, Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid aside, you need to watch it. You'll appreciate this, Justin. I actually stayed in our honeymoon. I stayed in a cabin where Sam Peckinpah stayed in for a while. It was actually the same cabin where Jack Kerouac wrote Big Sur. Huge Peckinpah fan. And as for John Carpenter, big fan as well, not as big. I do this every summer. I whip out the John Carpenter soundtrack.

• 23:27Jake Brennan?

  I'm sure you know, John Carpenter did the music for, I think, all of his films, or most of them anyways. And the soundtrack that he did for The Fog is like, it just scares the shit out of my kids. And I put that on and I start talking in a spooky voice and it gets them every time. Thank you, John Carpenter. All right, let's go to Adriana in the 760. She writes in, hey, the director resonates with me the most would have to be Quentin Tarantino. I love how he tells the story from beginning to end. And always we watch his movies. I'm a sucker for a good soundtrack and Quentin and his team never miss a beat with song selection. His movies transport me from my mundane office life. I love the show and I've learned so much about some of my favorite singers and artists. Thank you so much, Adriana.

• 24:10Jake Brennan?

  You know, Tarantino is a lot to Scorsese, I think. I think a lot of modern filmmakers do when it comes to soundtrack. Scorsese was the first to really use rock and roll in a way, not just, uh, just as score almost, not as just needle drops, but really to score the films. And you see that come alive for the first time in Mean Streets. Uh, we talked about it on Instagram this week with the Johnny Boy entrance into the bar with Stones, Jumpin' Jack Flash playing, just incredible, incredible stuff. Thanks, Adriana. Appreciate the text. All right. I knew this was gonna happen. I knew it. I, I, I tried to head it off in the Scorsese episode. And, uh, you know, I make this comment. I, I compare filmmaking,

• 24:51Jake Brennan?

  the pain of filmmaking to the pain of giving birth. And, uh, the 707 writes in, quote, "At the most 24 hours." Um, quoting me here. And then she goes on to just, uh, it says, "Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, for honestly like seven lines." And then, uh, it says, "Sincerely worked labor and delivery for years." I think the subtext here, the, is that I'm wrong? That it's at, that labor could be at most 24 hours? I mean, how many other labors are more than 24? I'm opening the floodgates. I don't mean to do so. Look, I meant no disrespect to anyone out there who, who's, who's given birth for longer than 24 hours. I was just trying to make a point and I wasn't trying to like, you know, go

• 25:34Jake Brennan?

  off on this wild tangent. Um, but I appreciate the, uh, the levity within this text from the 707, even though she's calling me out for it. This one comes from the 610. It says, "Hey Jake, I was going through some photos and realized, and realized I forgot to send this from 2024, sporting my double Elvis shirt at the tiger zoo in Thailand. Rock a roller." And, uh, this dude, Jonathan from the 610, is, uh, just sitting there with a tiger, big ass tiger in a double Elvis shirt. I love it. Thanks, Jonathan. Speaking of Thailand, you guys watching, uh, White Lotus? New season? What do you think? It's kind of a slow burn. I'm here for it though. I'm here for anything with the Goggins. Okay?

• 26:15Jake Brennan?

  302 types in, "Hey, when you're on your deathbed, I will be there, whispering in your ear. You can't compare Prince and MJ."

• 26:26Jake Brennan?

  Love it. The conversation that will not die. I got a couple of voicemails on this as well. Let's go to this one from Yuri in the 310.

• 26:35Speaker 06

  Hey Jake, this is Yuri from 310. Just listening, just catching up. More than once I've heard you talk about Prince and Michael Jackson and how you feel like they're, I don't know, in the same category, but they're not. They were of the same time, too. They were icons, true. They were the first generation to see the potential in MTV, also true. But what I think where they diverge is their artistry. Prince was an artist. He could play every instrument and he did on his

• 27:15Speaker 06

  first couple albums. He produced everything that he did. His genre bending musical style, it really has yet to be rivaled. Michael, yes, he was the king of pop, but he was almost born into that, if not physically. His persona was born out of that, out of the Jackson 5, out of creating image and branding. And that's where I feel like Prince and Michael diverge. Prince's image was built from his musical range and his diversity. The fluff and everything else came after, but that's where it started. Michael's was a product. Now, one more thing. Drake,

• 27:59Speaker 06

  Billy Idol, saw him in Vegas, like, now I keep, I keep thinking it was a couple of years ago, it was almost 10. So I'm with my brother. I loved the show. He was rocking at 60 at the time and he still rocks at 70. Thank you. Love the show. Rock and roll.

• 28:17Jake Brennan?

  All right, Yuri, thank you for that. Appreciate that, guys. I'll keep talking Michael Jackson, Prince, as long as you want to talk Michael Jackson, Prince. I keep trying to get out of this conversation. I really have. It's been, I think we're on week four right now in the after party. And, I mean, I'm sort of not talking about it this week. I'm letting you guys talk about it. I'm just here. I'm putting it out in the air. If this continues next week, I'm going to dive in even more fully. But you know what? I'm not willing, I'm not willing to foster that. Okay, I'm simply like Bob Dylan, I'm an antenna, man. I'm just kind of like tuned into what's happening around me. Okay, we shall see. All right, if you guys want more of this, keep it coming.

• 29:01Jake Brennan?

  I'll talk Prince, we can turn this into a Prince versus Michael Jackson podcast. No, kidding, we can't. Anyways, 6179066638 voicemail and text. Hit me up for next week's question of the week, which is going to be, do you think the Kennedys had anything to do with Marilyn Monroe's death? And if so, point me in the right direction. Give me some research, give me some docs to go look at. Okay, it's a big, big, big accusation. If you're going to think that, you're going to have some bullets on your side. All right, pun intended. Or you're going to have some very powerful medicine. Maybe a syringe, I don't know. I do know that voicemail and text is not the only way to get in touch with me. And you guys know this too, you can hit me up at disgracelandpod on all the socials,

• 29:45Jake Brennan?

  on X, on Facebook, on Instagram. JerseyStylePhotography writes, hey, this was a fantastic listen. That's in response to the Scorsese episode. That's on X. Over on Instagram, Catherine Moutet, am I saying that correctly? She writes in response to our Scorsese story, this is a movie that needs to be made. Catherine, you know, I would love to turn this into a movie. But for all the reasons I mentioned earlier in this episode, I don't think it's in the cards for me. That said, hey, anyone wants to back up a truck full of money and dump it on my head? I'm available. Or if somebody wants to, you know, clear the path for this to be turned into a screenplay, you know, in a way that's, that has a path to actually getting made. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't walk away from that.

• 30:28Jake Brennan?

  I'm just saying, I'm just saying, it take a lot, that's all. Okay. All right, 6179066638 voicemail and text at disgracelandpod on the socials to hit me up. We'll take a quick break, be back after this with the story of the week. Some of your emails, some reviews, also going to get into in the bonus section of this episode. Little bit more on our upcoming All Access exclusive episode on Stevie Ray Vaughan. More after this.

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• 32:37Jake Brennan?

  All right, welcome back. The disgraced story of the week can be any story from your rock and roll past or from rock and roll history that you think best represents the rock and roll spirit and you want to share with us. This week's story of the week, it comes from William Strobel. William says, "Hey Jake, Bill from the 215. I can't believe how long it took to sink in, but your amazing Miles Davis episode triggered a couple of memories. It's where my dear friend Monty Johnny Rotten and Wayne Shorter intersect." Monty's full name was Monteval Shorter. Wayne Shorter was Monty's first. Cousin, he was a jazz encyclopedia. We worked in kitchens together, so I got to hear some amazing stories. He was quite a bit older than me and he had some wild experiences. He traveled a lot and sat down in the lounge of a hotel one day. A few minutes later, an interesting gentleman sat across from us. They proceeded to have a lovely conversation,

• 33:22Jake Brennan?

  music, jazz, current events. The gentleman was Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols of Public Image Limited. The vision in my mind is of a stone cool elderly black man sitting with the Sex Pistols lead singer, just chopping it up. And it was a real kick in the ass, and it still is. Monty has since passed, but having the memory spark made me smile. Thanks for doing what you do. I've tried to turn everyone I know onto disgraced. And thanks again, Bill on the 215. Bill with the 215. I love this story. I love it when the punk rock guys mix themselves up with the jazz guys. Of course, Iggy Pop and Miles Davis were tight, or not tight, but they had, they'd, they'd cross paths a few times and they were, they had a mutual admiration society going on. And I love this story

• 34:03Jake Brennan?

  about Wayne Shorter and Johnny Rotten. Johnny Rotten might be the greatest punk rock singer of all time. I said it. I don't care. I don't care what anyone thinks. I think I believe that. I think. Okay. Going to do a couple of reviews. You guys know the deal. You know why I read these reviews. It's not just because I'm a massive egomaniac. I probably am, but that's not the reason. Okay. The reason is I try to encourage the reviews because the reviews encourage the algorithm to push the show to more people. It helps with discovery. I say it every week. I'm never going to stop saying it. All right. You guys go and you leave reviews on Apple Podcasts. You leave them on Spotify and it helps. So thank you very, very much. I choose a couple of those reviews every week. I read them right here. If you hear yours read, you can hit me up on your own volition and you can say, hey, you read my review. I'm so and so. And I'll go, yeah, I guess I did.

• 34:47Jake Brennan?

  And then I'll send you some free merch, whatever we got lying around the studio. Could be a pin, could be a shirt. Sometimes I even sign books. So let's see what we got here. Over on the Apple Podcast machine, Cindy13 writes, I recently discovered your podcast. I absolutely love it. Thank you for your contribution to my daily listening. See, how easy was that? Cindy, thank you very much. Get in touch. We'll get you some merch. Over on the Spotify machine, Jared Ray writes, and hey, this is my new favorite podcast. As a matter of fact, it's so good. It inspired me to write my first review and five star rating ever. And I've been listening to podcasts since before most people knew what a podcast was. Thank you, Jared. I appreciate it. Really do. Thanks for the review. Hit me up. We'll get you some merch. Thanks for helping us grow the show, guys. As always,

• 35:29Jake Brennan?

  big, big, big gratitude. Listen, this, this episode, it's, it's nearing its end.

• 35:35Jake Brennan?

  You know, cue, cue the sad, sad closing music. Give me some sad 80s sitcom vibes. You know what I mean? And that sad 80s synth comes in and you're a little kid. You know, it's time for bed. That's what I'm feeling right now. It's, it's coming to an end. There are those of you who will remain with us in the bonus section of this all access after-party episode. Those of you who are part of our all access membership club. You get a little bit more, you get a little bit more. And this week I'm going to give you a little bit more about Stevie Ray Vaughan, because this week is when our Stevie Ray Vaughan all access episode comes out. Okay, last week I gave you a story about a friend of mine who was involved with the whole Stevie Ray Vaughan kerfuffle. This week I'm going to give you a little bit more. It's going to come up right after this, real quick. For those of you who are like, what the hell are you talking about?

• 36:19Jake Brennan?

  Well, it's this, we do an all access club. Okay, you pay five bucks, you get a little bit more after-party here. Okay, a little bit bonus, a little bit of a bonus section. You get ad-free listening and you get one exclusive episode per month. This month it's on Stevie Ray Vaughan. It's only five bucks to join. You also get into the behind the velvet rope, so to speak, in Patreon, where I'm in there in the chat with all you discos talking. All right, we're in there every day. All you gotta do is go to disgracysampod.com/membership and sign up. Five bucks a month, you know, five bucks a month. That's cheaper than a beer, cheaper than a coffee, cheaper than what? A hot dog at Fenway Park. It's cheaper than a lot of things. disgracysampod.com/membership.

• 37:13Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Archive episodes discussed in this here after-party. Well, in the bonus section, we talked about Robbie Robertson and Eric Clapton and Eddie Van Halen and Jimi Hendrix and David Bowie and the Rolling Stones. And you guys are missing out, by the way, for not getting the all access portion of the after-party, as you can hear. Anyway, Matt is going to have info on all these episodes, help you find these episodes in our massive archive. He'll drop that info in the show notes for you. Thank you, Matt. Let's recap, shall we? Number one, I want your story. Call me, text me, hit me on the socials. It's your favorite story of rock and roll animalism. Wild story about a rock star that you're aware of and that you want to tell can be something that you've, you've read in a, in a history book, something that's happened to you personally can be anything at all. Let me know. Number two, right now in your feed, our episode on Martin Scorsese and Taxi Driver. Number three, coming tomorrow,

• 37:57Jake Brennan?

  our rewind episode on Marilyn Monroe and continuing with our Oscar theme next week, you're getting a Dennis Hopper episode. Number four, merch winners. Get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right. In honor of this week's episode subject, Martin Scorsese, here are the billboard charts for the day Marty released his masterpiece Taxi Driver on February 8. Tell can be something that you've, you've read in a, in a history book, something that's happened to you personally can be anything at all. Let me know. Number two, right now in your feed, our episode on Martin Scorsese and Taxi Driver. Number three, coming tomorrow, our rewind episode on Marilyn Monroe and continuing with our Oscar theme next week,

• 38:38Jake Brennan?

  you're getting a Dennis Hopper episode. Number four, merch winners. Get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right. In honor of this week's episode subject, Martin Scorsese, here are the billboard charts for the day Marty released his masterpiece Taxi Driver on February 8, 1976. Number one, 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover, Paul Simon. Last week, 10. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, eight. Number two, Love to Love You Baby, Donna Summer. Last week, three.

• 39:19Jake Brennan?

  Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, 10. Number three, You Sexy Thing, Hot Chocolate. Last week, four. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, 15. Number four, I Write the Songs, Barry Manil. Last week, two. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 13. Number five, Sing a Song, Earth, Wind and Fire. Last week, seven. Peak position, five. Weeks on chart, 13. Number six.

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• 40:32Jake Brennan?

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  Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/trucrime to secure your spot.

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