Bonus Episode: The Count Who Killed Jim Morrison?

Like the Foo Fighters Taylor Hawkins’ death, the details around the Doors Jim Morrison’s death are mysterious. Was a debonair jetset Count responsible for the singer’s death along with the death of Janis Joplin and possibly others? We get into this incredible story along with your voicemails, text, dms and more in this bonus episode. For more rock 'n' roll and true crime, check out our archive, featuring episodes such as: Donny Hathaway https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/donny-hathaway-angels-demons-and-unexplained-visions/id1275172907?i=1000662333557 Jim Morrison https://www.disgracelandpod.com/034/jim-morrison See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:34Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgrace Land: The After Party.

• 3:01Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this bonus episode was a mysterious count responsible for the deaths of Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin. Husker Du and the Mary Tyler Moore Show, what? New song recommendations and more old song Italian disco, Don't Blame Me, plus your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up

• 3:46Jake Brennan?

  telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 4:02Jake Brennan?

  All right, Discos, listen, my hair is on fire this morning as I'm putting together this after-party bonus episode for you. I woke up thinking about Taylor Hawkins and the fact that we still don't have an official cause of death for the iconic drummer, as discussed in our recent episode on the Foo Fighters. And so I made myself an espresso. So I popped on my noise cancelling headphones, crawled back into bed with my laptop though. And I Googled famous rock stars with unknown causes of death and surprise, there are literally none. Zilch, not a zero, but I don't want to beat a dead horse. I want to beat an entirely different horse, actually. Horse as in H, as in heroin. So somehow that Google search,

• 4:44Jake Brennan?

  that led me into this Jim Morrison wormhole. Now, I know, well trodden territory over here for us at Disgracin. A new horse on a beaten path, so to speak, but really what I found is fascinating. I think I knew, I think I knew this. I think I knew that there was never an autopsy for Jim Morrison. And I'm pretty sure I knew that it was closed casket and that the burial happened super quick after Jim died and that his family had little to do with the final arrangements. And none of these facts are all that revelatory or shocking on their own. And they're all used as fodder for the conspiracy theorists who claim that Jim Morrison faked his own death, that the heroin overdose

• 5:24Jake Brennan?

  never happened and that Jim, you know, pretended to off himself so that he could, or pretended to die, I should say, that so that he could live in peace outside of the glare of fame and retire and live the quiet life of a poet in the French countryside or whatever, and no longer have to live the loud drunk, drug addicted rock star life that he was living. But here's the thing, I didn't really realize until now, or maybe I did and I just forgot, or I just let this fact exist in plain sight and I ignored it. Or maybe I just bought the line of bullshit that had been fed to me, to all of us anyways, until now, that Jim Morrison died from a heroin overdose.

• 6:04Jake Brennan?

  Because here's the thing, Jim Morrison didn't use heroin. Or at least many of his friends recounted over the years about how Jim hated the drug and that he actively spoke out against using heroin in the company of his friends and that he hated the fact that his girlfriend Pamela Corson, AKA Pamela Morrison, she wasn't really his wife, common law wife, somehow sometimes went by Pamela Corson, sometimes by Pamela Morrison. I'll probably, probably refer to her as both in the course of this episode. Anyhow, he hated that, that his girlfriend Pam actively used heroin. And that this was a subject, her heroin use was a subject common, a common subject of disagreement between the two, between the couple. This is pretty interesting.

• 6:49Jake Brennan?

  So Jim Morrison supposedly dies of a heroin overdose, but he didn't use heroin. Obviously, this doesn't prove anything. Doesn't prove that Jim Morrison, I guess, didn't die from heroin. They didn't take heroin. They didn't die in a Paris bathtub. Jim Morrison could, of course, just tried heroin and died, of course. His official cause of death, heart failure. The sort of understood to be cause of death for Jim Morrison, heroin overdose. But for a guy who didn't use heroin. Anyhow, following this line of thinking, following this little bit of research I was doing this morning, if you were to do this, it would inevitably bring you to a fascinating character from the late 1960s

• 7:29Jake Brennan?

  and early 70s, jet set. A friend, not of Jim Morrison's, but of his girlfriend Pam's, and also a friend of Graham Parsons', and a friend of Janis Joplin', and of Keith Richards', and Mary Ann Faithfull', and Miss Mercy from the GTOs, and a whole lot of other famous rock stars who regularly used heroin. This guy was their buddy, their pal, their friend. And some of these folks died from heroin. That friend was a French aristocrat, an actual count, a handsome, jet-setting playboy in his early 20s, named, damn it, Matt, I lost your text messages. Okay, this guy's name, I texted Matt this morning at like 7:30 in the morning, because Matt, Matt's French, or at least understands French

• 8:11Jake Brennan?

  better than I do, to get a correct pronunciation. I want to butcher it here, and then, Matt, you can, you can correct me. I'm only going to say his name once or twice here. Count Jean de Breutel. Breutel. Okay, the Count. All right. Listen, I've read about the Count before. I nearly forgot about the Count, though, okay? The Count came up in research for our Jim Morrison season of The 27 Club that we, that we produced a couple of years back. And I made a mental note to do more research on the Count eventually, which I never did, until now, by accident. Now, the Count, the Count here is shadowy. The Count is glamorous. The Count is like Jim and Janis, and Jim's girlfriend Pam, dead.

• 8:56Jake Brennan?

  The Count was also Jim's girlfriend's boyfriend, and the Count was the supplier of high-grade heroin to the stars in the 60s and the 70s. And the Count may have not only inadvertently killed Jim Morrison, but also Janis Joplin as well. So check this out. The Count was a good-looking, rich aristocrat in his early twenties. His family had a literal fortune. His father's businesses were located in Africa. So the young Count had diplomatic connections in Morocco. Morocco in the 1960s was the hotbed of drug trafficking, specifically the trafficking of hashish and heroin, two drugs that many, many rock stars were hyper-fixated on in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

• 9:39Jake Brennan?

  Now, not only was the Count tied into diplomats and drug traffickers in Morocco, he was also, as part of the jet set, tied into many individuals from the Paris, again, he was French, and London, again, he was a Count, high societies. Now, in 1967, the Count enrolled at UCLA, alright, in California, in Los Angeles, okay? But UCLA did not have access to good drugs at the time. So, the Count fixed that. He started moving pounds of hashish through the Moroccan consulate into Los Angeles to his campus apartment. Now, the hash, and apparently the Count's good looks and money, attracted young women. One of them was a girl named Pamela Corson, a woman named Pamela Corson, and the two

• 10:24Jake Brennan?

  began seeing each other. And even though Pam was seeing the new singer for The Doors, one of the hottest bands at the time, his name being, of course, Jim Morrison. Now, Jim hated the Count, and Jim, he hated the Count's heroin. But Pam, she dug the Count, and you know, to be honest, she liked his heroin, too. Jim got drunk and yelled, Pam got high, and took off with the Count to Marrakech and to Europe to hang out with Brian Jones and Jimi Hendrix. Pam and the Count would eventually end up back in Los Angeles, and Pam would end up back with Jim, but the Count kept slinging his heroin the whole time. And in the fall of 1970, the Count had a particularly strong batch of heroin. He hooked up his friend Janis Joplin. He also hooked up a musician named Mercy Fontenot. I'm probably pronouncing

• 11:07Jake Brennan?

  that incorrectly. She goes by Miss Mercy. She was from the GTOs, yes, Frank Zappa's GTOs, okay? Miss Mercy felt herself slipping into a drug coma when she used the Count's heroin, and somehow, she pulled herself out of it and survived this bad batch. Now, this survival of the Count's bad batch of heroin happened on the exact same day that Janis Joplin did not survive the Count's bad batch, okay?

• 11:36Jake Brennan?

  On that day, October 4th, 1970, The Count hooked up Janis Joplin with heroin, just like he did Miss Mercy from the GTOs. Miss Mercy survived. Janis Joplin died on October 4th, 1970. Miss Mercy lived. She gave the rest of her batch of heroin to her friend, Graham Parsons. Somehow Graham survived too, until he didn't and overdosed and died later in 1973. But back to that weekend in 1970, the weekend that Janis Joplin died. Over that weekend, nine other people who weren't rock stars also died in the Los Angeles area from heroin overdoses. Jimi Hendrix had already died that year. Now Janis Joplin was gone. And Jim Morrison was aware

• 12:17Jake Brennan?

  of all of it. Okay? He was nursing his beer at Bernie's Beanery in Hollywood and he told his friends that they were drinking with number three. Jim Morrison didn't know it, but his joke was dead on. Jim had one more album to deliver to the record label. That album was LA Woman. Once that album was done, Jim split to Paris to meet Pam, who was already there hanging out with, you guessed it, The Count. Pam was in bad shape. She and The Count were consumed with heroin. They were sunk deep into the Paris underground with a whole assortment of low-life, high-class junkies and deadbeats. Paris was drowning in that French Connection, intensely pure heroin. The same heroin William Friedkin would put at the center of his incredible film,

• 13:01Jake Brennan?

  The French Connection. This was the heroin that The Count was dealing. And now The Count was counting Rolling Stones as his customers, namely Graham Parsons' buddy Keith Richards. Those two were also in France at the time at Nellcot, while Keith was hiding out from British tax collectors and making the Stones' heroin-induced masterpiece exile on Main Street. Through his connections with the Rolling Stones, The Count started seeing Mary Ann Faithfull, and the two wound up in Paris in July 1971, where The Count went to work slinging that French Connection heroin. Again, in France at the time in 1971, you've got The Count, Mary Ann Faithfull, Pamela Corson, Jim Morrison, Keith Richards, Graham Parsons, and The French Connection.

• 13:46Jake Brennan?

  Now, on the night of July 3rd, Mary Ann Faithfull says that she was with the Count in bed and they got a call in the middle of the night from Pamela Corson, again, Jim Morrison's girlfriend, who, at that moment, was freaked out. Pamela absolutely needed to see the Count, okay? Now, Mary Ann Faithfull, she was stoked at this. She was psyched because she wanted to meet the singer of The Doors, but the Count said that that wasn't gonna happen. And he split to go rescue Pam and he left Mary Ann behind because Jim Morrison was dead from heroin, the Count's heroin, according to Mary Ann Faithfull anyways, from heroin

• 14:28Jake Brennan?

  that was most definitely, yes, the Count's. But here's the thing, Jim Morrison didn't use heroin, right? Right, but he did use cocaine. And the French Connection heroin was also called cotton candy because of its light color. A lot of heroin, depending on how it's cut, how it's processed, is brown. The French Connection stuff was like a pinkish white. Jim Morrison, according to those in the know, mistook his girlfriend's heroin for cocaine and snorted too much of the incredibly pure drug and died. Jim Morrison's girlfriend, who was also the girlfriend of the most infamous heroin dealer in the music industry, who, himself, the Count, died less than a year later of an overdose? Maybe.

• 15:11Jake Brennan?

  Some suspect the Count did himself in over his guilt, others suspect murder, we don't know. I'm looking to find out sooner or later, though, I'm telling you right now. Anyways, back to our story, Pamela Morrison, she overdosed and died a couple of years later, a couple of years after the Count. And nearly everyone connected to this dude. Everyone, nearly everyone connected to the fucking Count guy. Pamela Morrison, Janis Joplin, some say Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Graham Parsons, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. Mary Ann Faithfull, she survived. And she flat out accused her ex, the Count, of killing Jim Morrison. The details around Jim Morrison's cause of death are hazy, just like they are for Taylor Hawkins'

• 15:52Jake Brennan?

  death, completely different context, of course, but still, you can see some sort of rock and roll historical parallel here. We don't know. We don't know how Taylor died and we, I don't think we know how Jim died, really. Officially, he died of heart failure, unofficially of a heroin overdose. But again, there was no autopsy. Did I say that earlier? I probably should have. There was no autopsy. And there was no history of Jim using heroin. There was in fact, a history of Jim hating heroin. The story, this story, not just the story of Jim Morrison's death, but the story of the Count, it is fascinating and it is coming in a full episode of the Disgrace Sam podcast soon, probably in a Doors episode. I did one satirical episode

• 16:37Jake Brennan?

  on Jim Morrison. I'm going to do a Doors episode and this is going to be my angle in. This is going to be most of the story, to be perfectly honest, because this is just the surface. And most of what I just told you, I researched this morning. By researched, I mean, I read one People Magazine article. Incredibly, this is all, everything I just gave you is from a People Magazine article, pretty much, not, not everything, but, but a good portion of it. But there's a ton more out there and there's a lot more research I'm going to do. I'm going to put together an incredible story for you guys in a full episode of Disgrace Sam. It'll be coming in a couple of months, I guess. It'll be a Doors episode. All right. But before that, we're going to dive a little bit deeper into the Count and more specifically into the shady details behind Jim Morrison's death and the claims that he wasn't a heroin

• 17:22Jake Brennan?

  user in today's exclusive episode of the after-party. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become a Disgrace Sam All-Access member and unlock exclusive and ad-free content just like this on a weekly basis. All right. This week in the feed, as we've been discussing, our new episode on the Foo Fighters. Now, coming up right after this, bonus episode here, right after this, in the rewind slot on Sunday, our episode on Bjork and the deranged psychopath who wanted her dead, who attempted to murder the Icelandic princess who set off an international scramble by the FBI in New Scotland Yard to save Bjork's life. You don't want to miss this episode. And then next week, on Tuesday, Tuesday, May

• 18:03Jake Brennan?

  5th, we're releasing a new episode on Ian Watkins from Lost Profits. And when you're listening to that episode, be thinking about what story from music history has upset you the most, because this might be it. This might be the most upsetting story from any rock star we've covered. This Ian Watkins story is so damn upsetting, not only because of the horrendous crimes that this Lost Profits singer committed, but also because some of these crimes could have been, could have been prevented. So how upset were you when you learned about the Ian Watkins crimes? But you know, it can be anything. What's the most angered you've ever been?

• 18:45Jake Brennan?

  Most angry you've ever been from news that you heard from music history? 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. Let me know at disgracelandpod on the socials, [email protected]. All right, guys, I want to talk to y'all. I want to hear your thoughts on Taylor Hawkins and the Foo Fighters and everything else that we got going on in disgraceland, unlikely cover songs, more music memoirs, whatever. New songs, old songs, we're digging into all of it and more with your voicemails, texts, emails, DMs, and more coming up right after this.

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• 20:33Jake Brennan?

  All right, me and Debbie Harry, we have escaped Ted Bundy's Volkswagen and we are in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall, hanging on the telephone, 617-906-6638. Beth in the 646, tell us about one of the Taylor Swift creeps that you got living in your hometown.

• 20:48Speaker 07

  Hey, this is Beth from the 662, originally from the 646, calling about a few things. One, the scandalous DJ from your Taylor Swift episode lives in Mississippi and works in the supermarket after having a failed attempt at being a morning DJ show of conservative talk morning show. He's got a baby now and is just living a very quiet life. Also, on the New York nightlife scene back in the 90s, Bear Jones used to be this club promoter and you would call his, everybody got a card and you would call the number, which was a voicemail or an answering machine, and they would let you know where the party was

• 21:33Speaker 07

  that night. And he went on, Bear Jones, I think he died in 2008, but he went on, I think, to be a gossip columnist for the Daily News and was on the circuit, the media circuit and the nightlife circuit through at least 2006. And more stuff on Inexcess, I just can't get enough of it. And thanks for all the good work you guys do. And stay punk. Love it. Bye.

• 21:58Jake Brennan?

  All right, Beth, thank you very much. Love, love the Taylor Swift recon there. Thank you. And Inexcess, as for Inexcess, we got a two-parter on Inexcess. Two parts in the archive, parts one and two. Bear Jones, that phone, that phone thing you just shared, I didn't know about this at all and I was hanging out in New York in the 90s. Assuming 90s is when you're talking about, I don't know if you said that or not. But this reminds me of this whole Black Keys thing they got going on now, the record hangs. And I'm not sure how people are getting invited to that, but this sounds like a good way to do it. Anyways, I would like to get invited to one of these, so let me know. If anyone has some Black Keys hookups, let me know. All right, let's check out Dee in Dallas.

• 22:39Jake Brennan?

  Hey Jake, it's Dee from Dallas again. And I just heard you a little while.

• 22:45Speaker 07

  At the closing of your most recent podcast that I listened to on Disgrace Land, and you questioned whether or not Billy Corden had actually, actually seen a shapeshifter. I 100% agree, and I have a theory on exactly who it is. I believe that he actually saw a shapeshifter, and it's somebody that we all know. My guess is that it's Maynard. Last name, not required, you know who I'm talking about. And right now, you're thinking to yourself, you know what?

• 23:29Speaker 07

  If there are aliens, Maynard probably is one of them. Along with Trent, Trent's probably also an alien too. They, neither one of them age, I don't understand, except that like, they're not from this world. None of Tool's music makes sense. You could show someone on paper and like, hey, this is, it would say, no, that, that does not work. But you know why?

• 24:01Jake Brennan?

  Dee, uh, shapeshifting into Maynard from Tool, right? That's what you're saying? Um, and, uh, Trent Reznor as well.

• 24:14Jake Brennan?

  I don't know. I don't know about that. I need more of this Maynard from Tool, Trent Reznor, Alien Theory. Dee, hit us back. All right, let's check out, uh, let's see, JC in the 651.

• 24:29Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, JC in the 651 Minneapolis-St. Paul. Lucky, long time disco. Was lucky enough to find you guys in January of 2019. I tell everybody I know about your shows. Uh, you asked about a strange or peculiar or unlikely cover song. I'm gonna nominate Husker Du doing Love Is All Around. The Mary Tyler Moore Show, they even did it on the Today Show. Oh, there's film. You can go find it. Hey, lastly, I'm been a big fan of a lot of your shows. Uh, you turned me on. We've done some discussion about Manson and chaos and all that. I think you should package up all your Manson episodes, the way you do with Beatles, Stones, et cetera. I think that'd work out great, man. Hey, thanks for everything.

• 25:11Jake Brennan?

  Who's Kudoo and Mary Tyler Moore? I didn't know this. I did not know this. Is Mary Tyler Moore set in Minneapolis? That would make sense. That would make sense. Uh, I like your idea about packaging all of our Manson episodes together. For those who don't know, we had this, we had this long history with the Helter Skelter story here in Disgraceland, all the new listeners. Started way back in, I don't know, season two or three or something like that, maybe four, when we did the Beach Boys episodes, which is the traditional Helter Skelter story, uh, that you may or that you may have probably heard. Uh, it's one of the biggest true crime books of all time and the connection to the Beach Boys, Dennis Wilson gave us our in. Uh, later, a couple of years after that, I

• 25:54Jake Brennan?

  realized that, uh, Helter Skelter had it all wrong and therefore I had it all wrong. We released a couple of other episodes that are updates. We did a, we did a Charles Manson episode based on his, the music that he made and his life and how it related to the killings. And we did a two parter on, on Mama Cass Elliot because she was intimately involved with the players, uh, who get swept up in and around the Helter Skelter story and what I believe is the truth that disrupts the Helter Skelter story. So anyways, there's about, uh, what, four or five? And then if you count the Sharon Tate Hollywoodland episodes we've done, there's probably about seven Manson related episodes that we've done. And I like J C and the six five ones suggestion about packaging them all together.

• 26:37Jake Brennan?

  Maybe we'll do that. I don't know. Maybe make a, make a nice little, uh, uh, animated book or something. I don't know. All right. Let's go to the 503.

• 26:48Speaker 07

  I don't know what you just said, but all of a sudden I feel nostalgia for Micro Machines. Just kidding. I got all the legal stuff. This is actually, um, in reference to my very first listen of Hollywoodland. Longtime Disgraceland listener. This is my first Hollywoodland listen, um, with Courtney Weaver and then the, the after show. And I just, my heart fluttered when Bob from Twin Peaks was mentioned.

• 27:15Speaker 07

  Because he is just the absolute, my hands are shaking right now. He is so scary. And that scene where he's crawling over the back of the couch, there's nothing scarier. There's no blood gore, tense scenes in movies that are like suspense, anything, nothing is as terrifying as that moment when he's creeping over that fucking couch. Anyway, I just was really happy to hear somebody else was traumatized by Bob as well. So, um, rock-a-rola, that's what you say, right?

• 27:48Jake Brennan?

  See that, people? Be like the 503. Check out Hollywoodland. Get in there. Get in there and get after it. You will not be disappointed. Okay? There's a whole other world of content happening in the Hollywoodland feed right now that is disgraceland adjacent. It's Hollywood and true crime. It's not music and true crime. You're not going to be disappointed. Be like the 503. 617-906-6638. You guys want to leave me a voicemail? I want to hear about the most disturbed news you've ever heard from music history, the most upset that any news or any research or any story from the world of music has made you. 617-906-6638. I don't want to get into that next week with you. But in the meantime, let's do some texts. Let's talk about

• 28:29Jake Brennan?

  this week's episode on the Foo Fighters. This one from the 778 who writes in, "Hey, just listened to the Foo's Hawkins Groll episode. I never connected the dots together about insurance battles, but regarding the lack of an official cause of death, this explains everything. And yeah, looking now at a whole different wave of Gen X drummers who have quit or taken hiatus to deal with health. Wow, mind blown. I think this is my fave episode so far, and the first time I felt compelled to text. Thanks for all you do. Thank you, 778. I appreciate the kind words. Appreciate the nice message, but with the nice, you got to take the not so nice as well. So let's go to the 917. 917 writes in, and here we are. Listen, here it goes. 917,

• 29:13Jake Brennan?

  "You don't want to hear about Dave Grohl's problems. I don't want to hear a hypocrite who lied to everyone by putting on a persona that is not truthful. The audacity to only apologize because he got caught shows that he doesn't give a shit about being Being faithful to his family. He only cares that his carefully crafted image has been ousted as fake to its core. What a great example to the already fucked up manosphere. You are sucking his dick this entire episode. Like, what he did is just personal family issues. No, it's uncovering decades of lies. He is now not only a piece of shit rock star that sleeps around with young women while having a family which consists of only women, but he now depicts a guy with questionable morals,

• 29:53Jake Brennan?

  willing to lie for his own benefit. If he can easily lie about having an affair to only show remorse once word got out, what else about his image is he feeding us as a "genuine connection with a genuine nice guy"? Is bullshit just made up to sell more records, stay relevant, make the maximum profit? It goes against everything Kurt Cobain and Nirvana stood for, a legacy his modern day persona depends on to stay standing on the shoulders of giants. Love the show, by the way.

• 30:26Jake Brennan?

  I love the way the 917 ends it there, and I love the passion. Listen, I get it, I really truly do. I'm not sucking his dick, though. Come on, man. That's, that's a little harsh. I addressed all the issues with Dave Grohl. I might not have the same take you have. But here's the thing, Zed and I talk about this in more detail in the exclusive section of this after-party coming up. You gotta be an All-Access member for that, but for those who aren't, I'm gonna, I'll address it here, too, a little bit, and not so much detail. Honestly, when the news of Dave Grohl's infidelity broke, I was pissed. And my wife and I were talking about it, and I was really, I was really upset,

• 31:05Jake Brennan?

  much, much more upset than you would think by listening to the way I spoke about it in the episode. And my wife and I were talking about this, and the reason this one was so upsetting, and maybe this is, this is why the texter is so upset, is because Dave Grohl, at least for me, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to presume this is why the texter is upset. I take that back. But at least for me, and for my wife, and for a lot of people I know. Dave Grohl is like one of us. He's roughly our age, comes from the same scene that we come from, the hardcore scene, 90s, Gen X. And he's, he really, when he started to come up,

• 31:50Jake Brennan?

  step out into the spotlight, and he was doing all these interviews in the Foo Fighters first launch, he was just ultra-real, ultra-charismatic in a lot of ways. I don't mean to glorify, you know, a rock star here, but he was, he was like the best version of us. He was funnier than us, he was more talented than us, he was more charismatic, you know what I'm saying? And he just, he spoke like we did, and he seemed to like the same things and care about the same things that we did. And he sort of carried a version of that, of that personality, that persona with him, the entire run of the Foo Fighters. And yeah, I know there's people who are out there, it's all an act, he's full of shit, he's never been a nice guy. I don't buy that. I know people who know him, I know people who, who know him well, I know people who have,

• 32:35Jake Brennan?

  have met him, just, you know, one-offs, etc. And they all say the same thing, that he really is a great guy. I've never met him. But anyways, it just stung, it just hit, it just, it hit more. Now, to the caller's criticism, the texter's criticism, which is, it's valid. I didn't express a lot of the anger that I felt in the full episode. You might have heard it back in some of the Disgraceant Afterparty episodes when it, when this news broke. But in the full episode this week, I did not, I did not express my anger toward Dave in that moment. And here's why.

• 33:12Jake Brennan?

  We talk about rock stars every single week that are, that have infidelity in their life, that are shitty in relationships to their wives. And, and oftentimes, we don't even mention it. And yeah, that's on me, it's my job, I guess, to bring this stuff up. But it's so common in the music industry, cheating on your wife, cheating on your girl, what it's so fucking common, it's just boring. It's like, yeah, no shit. So I didn't want to be entirely hypocritical about it. And even though it upset me, I didn't want to just- Dive into it. Now, if Dave Grohl operated in a really different way, maybe I would have

• 33:52Jake Brennan?

  treated this differently. But he does seem, look, he's with his wife. They're trying to work it out. You know what I mean? And I didn't get into this to be all fucking tabloidian sensationally and all that shit. Like, that's not what I do. Like, it comes up, it comes up, we'll deal with it. And this is a really interest, not interesting, this is a really not interesting, I should say, example of this. And it's, it is, I thought of, you know, what would his daughter, what do his daughters think about this? Some dude on a microphone, like opining on Dave Grohl's infidelity with their mom. And it's finally, whatever, it's all out there. You can go elsewhere to get it. I do get your criticism. But that's just my point of view on how I treated this situation. Take it as you will.

• 34:36Jake Brennan?

  All right, let's go to the 902 on the same subject. Listen, the opinions from the listeners here are not necessarily my own, and I'm not suggesting that they are. And they're solely the opinions of the texters and the callers. Okay. Let's see here. 902 says, hey, love the show. Bias upfront. I'm a big Foose fan. But regarding the Rolling Stone article, the text is talking about the Rolling Stone article that I mentioned in the episode. Unlike a lot of fans, I didn't really find it that scandalous. It had some interesting insight, and I've always thought it very possible that no one was lying. I think Taylor did vent to his friends and probably even talked to Dave. But he and Dave were best

• 35:21Jake Brennan?

  friends. If they needed to talk, they probably didn't have an official meeting with management to formally express concerns. They probably just talked. And who knows what they did or didn't agree to. But also, the timeline, I think, is important. Taylor collapsed on the plane in December 2021, and it seems like Chad and Matt, that's Chad Smith from the Chili Peppers, and Matt Cameron from Pearl Jam Soundgarden, were saying that he, Taylor, and Dave Grohl talked after that. This is all in the article, okay? And I'm just gonna say it here, Dave Grohl's management denies this, okay? They deny what Chad and Matt had said. All right? The caller is saying this. Caller goes on to say, at that point in 2022, after Taylor Hawkins collapsed on a plane in December 2021, tour dates were already announced and tickets were sold and Taylor was a consummate

• 36:06Jake Brennan?

  professional and I don't think he would have been down with cancelling already scheduled shows. If they, Taylor and Dave, agreed to something, it most likely would have gone into effect after those existing commitments. I also think it's possible Taylor was not aware if he had something seriously medically wrong with him, because I do not believe that if he said to Dave, "We have to slow down," or "I could die," that Dave would have taken that lightly. Taylor could have downplayed it accidentally or on purpose, even if he did know. I agree with you here. I'm not saying that Dave Grohl knew Taylor Hawkins was in some sort of medical decline, health decline, what have you, and Dave was like, "You must play these shows, damn you." I don't think that's what was going on. Caller goes on to say, "I'll also say the Foo Fighters had, in recent

• 36:48Jake Brennan?

  years, started factoring their age into their schedule. They played a lot, but only went out for two to three weeks at a time before taking a two to four week break. And they had to stop playing consecutive nights, which you can see if you look into their past tour dates. Anyway, I really like your thoughts about entering uncharted territory with rock bands and the insurance angle is a good one. Interesting episode. The band has just started dipping their toes back into talking about difficult subjects lately, so maybe at some point we'll learn more." That's from the 902. Appreciate you 902. I agree a lot. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. And I just want to state that, again, Taylor's depiction, as voiced in that Rolling

• 37:26Jake Brennan?

  Stone article of the events with Dave Grohl around his workload with the Foo Fighters, as depicted in the Rolling Stone article by Chad Smith and Matt Cameron, are adamantly denied by Foo Fighters and Foo Fighters management. So, there we go. 270 writes in, "Hey Jake, this is Kate from the 270 here in Western Kentucky. Having worked in healthcare in varying positions from pharmacy to billing to urgent care to dispatch, I honestly think that the combination of overexertion, perhaps not being fully transparent with his doctor about any non-prescription drug usage, self-medication with prescription medication

• 38:07Jake Brennan?

  And probably an underlying undiagnosed genetic factor that that is the official cause of death for Taylor Hawkins. It's likely listed as natural causes, maybe death by misadventure with underlying causes, but it's been covered up to keep the insurance company from refusing to pay. The insurance company is the biggest villain in the whole story. That's who will refuse to pay out on death if they can find a loophole. So, nothing nefarious, just an attempt to make sure insurance actually pays. Anyway, that's my nearly 4 a.m. thought. Working overnights and ambulance dispatch, rock a roller, baby. 270. Appreciate you. You know what's up. 646, real quick. Hey, hope you're doing well. I was wondering if you're interested in maybe doing a Donny Hathaway show 646.

• 38:51Jake Brennan?

  We are. Or we were, I should say, because we did. There's a Donny Hathaway episode in the archive for you. Guys, thanks for your calls. Thanks for your texts. 617-906-6638. You guys want to come at me with this week's question of the week on the event from music history that just pissed you off the most. That's what we want to know. 617-906-6638. Get at us. You might hear yourself on next week's after party. I'll be back right after this with your emails, DMs, and some music and perhaps a television recommendation.

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• 40:34Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Thanks for joining us in another after-party. Man, you know, we just, this cool thing just happened. I'm in the middle of recording,

• 40:43Jake Brennan?

  and Chad from Canada called. People don't usually call when I'm recording. I have a bank of voicemails and texts that accumulate that I just go in and I grab and I play. The phone just started ringing. It's not actually a phone. I mean, it is a phone, but it's online. I didn't know how to answer it, and I figured it out. And I just started talking to this guy Chad, and all of a sudden I was recording a phone call, our conversation. It was all cool. It was all great. And then my fucking Pro Tools just died.

• 41:14Jake Brennan?

  Chad, I was planning on playing the whole thing, dude.

• 41:19Jake Brennan?

  Call us back. Maybe we'll figure out a way to do this live. That'd be fun, wouldn't it? Take the calls live. I could get into that. I could get into that. I suppose I'd have to tell you at what time I'm recording. I record on Wednesdays, Eastern Standard Time, usually in the, usually in the late mornings. Recording a little later today. Anyways, 617-906-6638. You want to leave me a voicemail? You want to send me a text? We're back, and I want to, real quick, I want to talk, I want to play a little new song, old song, okay? The new song of the week that I'm recommending is "Might See You There" from Weird Nightmare. This is The Metz Dude, M-E-T-Z, that Mets, Alex

• 42:00Jake Brennan?

  Edkins, again, M-E-T-Z, not the 86 M-E-T-S who broke my heart in Camp Iwin these days. Anyways, I dig this tune by Weird Nightmare from The Metz Dude. Again, it's called "Might See You There," comes highly recommended from our friend Brett from F and Good Music. Brett has great taste. I listen to everything that he sends me. Anyway, "Might See You There" by Weird Nightmare, modern, rock, pop, alt, kinda lemons, lemon heads-y, kinda Blake Baby-y, kinda 80s, 90s, Boston College rocky is what I'm saying, and I highly recommend it. Old song recommendation for this week, "I Need You Tonight" by Pumpkin Machine,

• 42:40Jake Brennan?

  okay? Not in excess, yes, Pumpkin Machine, P-U-N-K-I-N, Pumpkin Machine. I'm back on my 80s Italian disco bullshit here, guys. Find disco guitars that sound better than the disco guitars in this track that weren't recorded by Nile Rodgers, okay? This shit rules and it will improve your springtime vibes immeasurably. "I Need You Tonight" by Pumpkin Machine. My eight-year-old asked, "How does he get his voice to sound like that, Dad?" And I wanted to say cocaine, but I didn't. But now you know a little bit more about how awesome this song sounds. All right. [email protected] on the email machine. This one comes from Tyler Whitmore. "Suggestion for rewind episodes.

• 43:21Jake Brennan?

  I liked the pod and started listening back when you did the My Favorite Murder crossover. Glad that you landed with exactly right media. I hadn't listened in a minute, as I think I wasn't subscribed between some earlier seasons. And my suggestion is that if you are releasing an episode or mixing in rewind episodes per week, it might be useful to label them as rewinds and maybe provide any updates to the story if any exist. This is the format that My Favorite Murder uses and I think it's pretty nice. I was slightly confused because I was listening to that Selena episode and thought it was a new episode as it was a recent release, but I read the description and it says released November 2020.

• 44:02Jake Brennan?

  Also, in that episode, they mentioned that there was a parole hearing set for 2025. So it would have been cool after the episode if you gave an update." Now, I understand if you don't want to copy whatever My Favorite Murder is doing, or if you have your own system, but I think other listeners would enjoy this. Thank you for listening. All right. That comes from, uh, who did I say that came from? Came from Taylor Whitmore. Taylor, I love your suggestion. I love it so much. We're gonna do it. All right? From now on, starting this Sunday, there will be a parenthetical in the title of each of the rewind episodes that says rewind. And it should be clear to everybody that this is a previously released piece of content.

• 44:45Jake Brennan?

  That doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to it, people, okay? Our shit is evergreen, all right? So make sure, just because we're putting rewind in there, you're not being like, "I don't need to listen to this, it came up before." No, no, no, no. I don't care if you heard that Bjork episode back when it was released. It's coming again and you should listen to it this weekend. You're not going to be disappointed. And Taylor, to your point on the updates, I never thought of that. But yeah, we'll figure out a way to do that. Figure out a way. I'll figure out a way. I'll probably talk to Karen and Georgia, see how they do it and see how they get themselves ready for any of the updating and we'll incorporate that into our rewind releases as well. Thank you for the suggestion. Julio Escobar writes in, "Hey Jake," or whoever checks the email.

• 45:28Jake Brennan?

  "My name is Julio Cesar Escobar. I'm a journalist with over 20 years of experience and I was the director of a rock radio station in Colombia when Taylor Hawkins died. Plus, I was at the festival Estero Picnic waiting for them to perform when we all saw the announcement on the Foo's Instagram account. It all was very chaotic with little or any information at all. And we did a special broadcast from Estero Picnic with some of the attendees who were at the festival. People in Colombia love the Foo Fighters, so it is a moment in history that we will always remember. I just wanted to let you know that I agree with everything you said in the Foo's episode on Taylor's death. All the best. Julio C Escobar. P.S. I'm a big, big fan of Disgraceland." Julio, thank you very much.

• 46:11Jake Brennan?

  I appreciate the perspective from Colombia, from somebody who was there when this happened. And I know that the listeners appreciate it as well. [email protected]. Guys, you want to get at me via email, @disgracelandpod on the socials. Over on Instagram, James Buckley writes in, "Unexpected covers, a most excellent Depeche Mode narrative, Jake." As far as unexpected covers, Tori Amos taking on Slayer's Reigning Blood was definitely a hard hit in the left field. All the best, James Buckley." Damn, man, I've never heard that. I've never heard Tori Amos doing Slayer. That's just incredible. Incredible. I was listening to Cornflake earlier today, I think it was one of you guys recommended

• 46:55Jake Brennan?

  it, I'm not sure. Or reminded me of it. I've known that song forever. It's a great song.

• 47:01Jake Brennan?

  Love Tori Emos. All right, guys, I'm gonna get out of here. I'm gonna go ahead into the exclusive part of the after-party. Okay, that's the room in the back back. You gotta know where that part of the party is. You gotta know how to get into it. You can go to disgracelandpod.com to figure that out. Gotta pay a little bit more, but not much. And I'll be talking to Zeth in there. Zeth, as you may or may not know, is my, my, my partner in true crimes. He likes to call himself. He's also not a real doctor, though he's sometimes referred to as Dr. Lundey. Zeth Helms, the Hollywoodland feed for us, which if you're not subscribed, I invite you, come on in. The water's great. This is, these are Hollywood and true crime stories, just like our music and true crime stories. We're talking Drew Barrymore this week.

• 47:44Jake Brennan?

  Got our Drew Barrymore episode, archive episode that's out. In addition to the scripted episode on Drew Barrymore, in the rap party, we're talking, and we hate this term, nepo babies, but we're doing some recommendations of, from my standpoint anyways, great music by, and this is all kicked off by the Drew Barrymore stuff, great music from musicians, from the parents of famous people, basically. And I had a couple of good ones in there. And then Zeth gave us some film recommendations, again, from quote unquote nepo babies. And we talk about why we hate that term in, in the Hollywoodland rap party. Screening Room from Hollywoodland is happening end of this week.

• 48:25Jake Brennan?

  And the movie that we're talking about is Gun Crazy from 1992 by Tamara Davis, who was once married to a Beastie Boy, Mike D, I believe, starring Drew Barrymore. That's what we'll be watching this week. So if you want to get in on the conversation with us there, check out the screening room. Just go to Hollywoodland and subscribe if you're not subscribed already. Anyways, more from me and Zeth right now in the all access portion of the disgraceland after-party. I'll be back in a flash.

• 49:03Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Thank you for joining me in another after-party episode. So many artists mentioned in this episode from our archive. Jim Morrison, got a classic Jim Morrison episode. Check that out if you haven't heard it. I guarantee you, if you have not heard it, you will be surprised, very shocked by the time you get to the end of that episode. I guarantee it. We don't have a Janis Joplin episode, though. I need to fix that. Definitely have a Jimi Hendrix and Graham Parsons episodes. Taylor Swift in excess. It's all there. It's all there. You'll find it. Let me know if you need help navigating the archive. Matt will have some episode notes for some of these classic episodes in the show notes of this after-party for you as well. All right, let's recap. Number one, this week, our Foo Fighters episode is available

• 49:45Jake Brennan?

  for you to listen to right now. Number two, we are rewinding with a classic episode from the DisgraceLand archive this week with our episode on Bjork. Number three, next week, Ian Watkins from Lost Profits and his unspeakable true crimes. Number four, Zeth is giving you those Hollywood and true crime vibes in the Hollywoodland feed. Make sure you are subscribed. I'm going to give you some music recs over there in the Hollywoodland rap party. Number five, this film should be played loud, our new video podcast. I didn't even mention this today, my goodness. Got a brand new one for you on High Fidelity. That's available to our Patreon listeners. Go to disgracelandpod.com or to Patreon to sign up. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So

• 50:28Jake Brennan?

  keep calling, keep texting with the answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, on July 4th, 1994, Dave Grohl marked his independence with a bang and released the first Foo Fighters album. Here is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts.

• 50:56Jake Brennan?

  Number one, Waterfalls, TLC. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, six. Number two, One More Chance, Stay With Me, The Notorious B.I.G. Last week, three. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, four. Number three, Don't Take It Personal, Just One Of Dem Days, Monica. Last week, two. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, 12. Number four, Water Runs Dry, Boys To Men. Last week, six. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, 12. Number five, Total Eclipse Of The Heart, And Easy French. Last week.

• 51:50Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing. Hello?

• 51:53Speaker 06

  I was trying to reach Disgrace Land. Maybe I have the wrong number.

• 51:56Jake Brennan?

  No, no, you got him. This is Jake. Who's this?

• 51:59Speaker 06

  Jake Brennan. Wow. It's Chad calling from up in, uh, by Vancouver, B.C.

• 52:03Jake Brennan?

  Oh, right on. What's up, Chad? How are you, man? Hey, guys. Time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyages. Back by popular demand, this five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20th, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year, along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of Disgrace Land, along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners Wisecrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets,

• 52:48Jake Brennan?

  and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime to secure your spot.

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