Bonus Episode: Suspicious Deaths, Small-Town Myths, and the Record Store That Helped Make Me

This week in the After Party, we’re digging up the stories they didn’t want told. Jake throws back to a formative encounter with a record store burnout who unknowingly set him on the path to Disgraceland. Jake talks AC/DC, Bon Scott, and the rock and roll myths that shaped him (and you)—and tees up a deeper dive in the bonus section into some of the most suspicious musician deaths of all time. From Elliott Smith’s stab wounds to Al Jackson Jr.’s unsolved murder, these are stories too sketchy, too unresolved, and too raw for the wide feed. If you’ve ever felt like the real stories got buried—or that culture doesn’t reflect what you care about anymore—this episode is for you. Because we don’t need CASSM to tell our stories. We’re telling them ourselves. Right here in Disgraceland. Unlock the exclusive bonus, ad-free episodes, and a deeper look at the music myths they tried to silence—atdisgracelandpod.com/membership https://www.disgracelandpod.com/membership. On Tuesday, we're bringing you an episode on Motorhead, who made a big impression on Jake when he saw them in concert as a youngster. Jake wants to know: What was your first life-changing concert experience? Share your thoughts at 617-906-6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod. To listen to an extended version of the After Party, become a Disgraceland All Access member at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠disgracelandpod.com/membership⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 186 - Donny Hathaway https://www.disgracelandpod.com/186/donny-hathaway Episode 93 - Taylor Swift https://www.disgracelandpod.com/093/taylor-swift Episode 195 - The NFL and the Mafia https://www.disgracelandpod.com/195/the-nfl To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  This is Exactly Right.

• 0:10Jake Brennan?

  Double Elvis.

• 0:13Jake Brennan?

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• 0:44Speaker 02

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• 1:15Speaker 03

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• 2:00Speaker 03

  nose, flu or fluke-like symptoms, joint pain, or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 2:16Jake Brennan?

  Hey Discos. Need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgrace Land, the after-party.

• 2:43Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're talking about this week's full-episode subject, part two of our temptation story in the Tammy Terrell saga. We're rewinding back to our David Bowie episode, previewing our upcoming story on Motorhead. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling

• 3:28Jake Brennan?

  to someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:45Jake Brennan?

  The small town I grew up in had a typical downtown with a lot of different shops. If you needed clothes, hardware, greeting cards, groceries, whatever, you could get it downtown in one of the shops on High Street in Clinton, Massachusetts. This was before big-box stores and malls, before malls were as prevalent, but definitely before big-box stores. And if you didn't want to go to Boston, or God forbid, Worcester, you went, as we said, downtown to get what you needed. And if you needed something you couldn't buy in stores... You went to the bad end of High Street where Papacolos's Market was located. It was a little Greek grocery where for some reason, all the druggies hung out.

• 4:26Jake Brennan?

  About 50 feet to the left of Paps, as Papacolos's was referred to, was City Hall Music. Now, this is where we went to get our records, or cassettes, to be more accurate, and to get a little bit of our music history education. Now, much later, in the year 2000, when the movie High Fidelity came out, the adaptation of Nick Hornby's excellent novel of the same name starring John Cusack, about a couple of Chicago record store nerds whose musical tastes are unquestionable, but whose ethics have something to be desired. I felt, as I'm sure a lot of the dudes who I grew up with felt, like I knew those record store nerds that were in the movie. Because in a way, I grew up with my own small-town version. Not in a way, I did.

• 5:11Jake Brennan?

  I grew up with my own small-town version of the record store nerds in High Fidelity, downtown at City Hall Music in Clinton, Mass. The dudes who worked there were older, stoned, and they didn't care much about selling records. They did care about talking shit and demonstrating their knowledge of music history, and occasionally dunking on a heavy metal curious 4th grader and inspiring him at the same time. Now, that's the grade, 4th grade, that I was in. I think, I think anyways, I think that's the grade I was in. The first time I visited City Hall, back right around the time when it opened. I was with my stepfather, who wasn't much older than the dudes who worked there, and he was only a little less burnt out.

• 5:54Jake Brennan?

  And that's not to say that he related to them in any way. He didn't. In fact, I can still remember the tension between Joe, my stepdad, and the City Hall guys. I was pretty sure that, that our visit wasn't going to end with me getting the ACDC record that I wanted, but instead with Joe, with Joe putting one of those dudes in the hospital, like he nearly did that guy at the Jay Giles concert who popped my balloon with the lit end of his cigarette, but that's another story. There was no violence, just the threat of it, made tangible by the weird mix of music snobbery and small-town testosterone floating in the air. "Why do you want Back in Black?", the dude working there asked me. But what his tone really said was, "What kind of asshole wants to buy that record?"

• 6:36Jake Brennan?

  I'm not sure I gave the dude an answer, but I was then asked if I'd heard Highway to Hell, and I had. Well, why didn't I want that record? Now, I don't fucking know, man, because I'm in the fourth grade and I just heard he shook me all night long and maybe I want to know about fast machines and keeping the motor clean. I didn't say any of that. I probably just looked at the dude with the stupid grin on my face while secretly praying that my stepdad didn't grab him by his t-shirt collar, drag him over the counter and beat the dank smell of pot off of him. But the dude then asked me, and I remember this clearly, he asked me which ACDC singer I liked best? Which singer? The fuck was this dude talking about which singer? There was only one singer, the dude who looked like he worked construction with Joe, my stepdad. Wait a minute, there

• 7:21Jake Brennan?

  was another singer in ACDC before the Back in Black guy? I'll never forget how shocking this realization was to me, even at that young age. How had I not known? And hold up, the dude died? The first singer from ACDC died? Tell me more.

• 7:39Jake Brennan?

  The record store dude obliged and told me about Bon Scott and his premature death, and I'm certain he hinted at the whispers behind the mystery of Bon's death because the whole story gripped me. I was in. Give me all the fucking rock and roll stories, oh 80s record store sage. The dude must have picked up on my sincere interest because now he was on the other side of the counter personally escorting me to the ACDC section. I didn't want Back in Black, he told me. And sure, you know better than what I want. You're older, you have a leather jacket with cutoff sleeves that you wear over your denim jacket. That's two hole jackets. Well, almost. So you're absolutely the authority here. I was informed that I didn't want Highway to Hell either. I wanted Let There Be Rock.

• 8:23Jake Brennan?

  And hot damn, did I ever want Let There Be Rock? Of course I want Let There Be Rock, dude. Whatever you say, give it to me. At that moment, I'm convinced my stepdad was even closer to wrecking my new stoned Obi-Wan Kenobi record store dude, even more than he was before. Now, out of spite or jealousy or whatever, because I'm sure my stepdad thought that he was, he was bringing me to the record store to bond with me. And here I am bonding with this burnout and not him. And what kind of influence was this burnout going to have on me? An inordinate amount of influence is the answer. An ACDC sized riff amount of influence. Nearly all the fucking influence. I basically lived at City Hall Music after that. And so did a handful

• 9:07Jake Brennan?

  of my friends. It's where I first heard the new record by that guy who quote unquote, ripped off Jim Morrison. And that would be the cult's Ian Atsberry on the cult's debut album, Love. It's where I caught my first glimpse of Metallica without Cliff Burton when the Garage Days EP promo poster went up on the wall at City Hall before the record was even in stock. I'm pretty sure it's where I bought Bret Easton Ellis's Less Than Zero book, or at least where I borrowed it off of someone. And it's where I most definitely bought the soundtrack for Less Than Zero, Slayer and LL Cool J on one album, of course. Give it to me right now. City Hall Music is literally where I saw my first compact disc. But more important than all of that, City Hall Music is where I caught a whiff

• 9:50Jake Brennan?

  of my first rock and roll myth, the death of ACDC singer Bon Scott and the whispers of what really happened. I never figured out if Bon died the way they officially said he did in the backseat of a Renault 5 choked to death on his puke after a night of partying with the dudes from UFO, or if it was something more nefarious, drug dealers, contract killers. Frankly, I'm still trying to figure out this story decades later. I'm nearly done writing our second ACDC episode, and I'm no closer to a determination on Bon's death than I was before I even started this podcast. But I'm heavily leaning toward the official cause of death on this one, despite the suspicions that have been raised.

• 10:32Jake Brennan?

  That said, after two rounds of research on the band, I still haven't done enough research around Bond's death, so maybe a third episode, I don't know. What I do know is that suspicious rock star deaths fascinate me. That was one of the questions we asked last week in light of the Tammy Terrell story that we told in this week's Temptations Part Two episode. Which musician's death is most suspicious to you? The details and theories around these suspicious deaths are often too controversial to talk about here in the wide feed. And I'm going to use today's exclusive bonus after-party section to dig a little bit deeper into some of these cases.

• 11:14Jake Brennan?

  The super sketchy official narrative around the death of Elliott Smith and the mystery surrounding the murder of Al Jackson Jr., drummer for Booker T and the MG, this guy who played on all Otis Redding's hits, basically, and a bunch of other incredible music. And maybe I'll even hit on a couple other mysterious deaths. Big stars, Chris Bell comes to mind, rock and roll pioneer Bobby Fuller. I want to figure out which of these will make for great Disgraceland episodes, or if in fact, they're just, they're just too wild and crazy to even get into in the wide feed. Some stories are too strange, too sensitive, too unresolved for a big public forum like the wide, the wide version of this podcast, but they still matter. And like I said, a couple of them are going to be waiting for you in today's exclusive

• 11:59Jake Brennan?

  bonus section of this after-party. Go to disgracelandpod.com/membership to become an All-Access member today and get this type of extra content for just $5 a month, less if you sign up for a year. And pro tip, okay, don't sleep on this. A little birdie at Double Elvis told me that that $5 a month price, it might be going up shortly when new subscription offerings are announced, but for those who are already in at $5, you will be grandfathered in at that price forever. So if you've been on the fence about becoming an All-Access member, now's the time to sign up. Saving money aside, you're going to get those Elliott Smith and Al Jackson mysterious death facts in today's bonus section coming up shortly. Again, that's disgracelandpod.com/membership to unlock more content from us and ad-free listening.

• 12:44Jake Brennan?

  I'll be back in a flash with your voicemails, texts, and your answers to last week's question of the week.

• 13:02Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 13:33Speaker 04

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• 14:01Speaker 03

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• 14:46Speaker 03

  inflammation in the nose, flu or flulike symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 15:10Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. And if you don't know what's up, here's what's happening in Disgrace Land this week. We just released our new episode on The Temptations. That's part two, which is really a Tammy Terrell story. Coming up next in your feed, right after this after-party episode, we're rewinding to our David Bowie episode, where if you listen closely, you'll hear me lose my mind in the E block. And next week, we are hitting all you Hellbent for Leather Rocker rollers with our Motorhead episode, okay? But right now, you know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall, and I'm hanging on the telephone, getting answers to our most pressing questions from music history, like which musician died most mysteriously, most suspiciously? What do you guys think?

• 15:52Jake Brennan?

  Who do you want to talk about? Let's hear from Ricardo in the 510.

• 15:57Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, my name is Ricardo. I love your show. Thanks for everything. I've always thought that Donny Hathaway's death was really suspicious. He was considered the other genius at Atlantic Records, other than Aretha. And he had a series of mental health issues. And then also going on and off his meds, I think lithium was one of them. And yeah, he fell out of the 734 of the Hotel Essex in New York. And yeah, there's just something doesn't fit well with me about that. He was a definitely a musical genius who found peace in his music and he's like my favorite singer. And he died too young. So I'd love to hear

• 16:41Speaker 05

  more about that. Take care. Thanks.

• 16:44Jake Brennan?

  Yes, Ricardo, you are right. Donny Hathaway, absolute genius. Some mystery around his death, but just such a tragedy, man. Just a it's a sad story and a huge talent. And we do have an episode on Donny Hathaway. It's back in the archive. You can check that out. Appreciate your call, Ricardo. I hope you're doing okay, man. You sound like you're still grieving the death of Donny Hathaway. Give us a call back anytime 617-906-6638. That goes for all y'all. You want to be part of the show 617-906-6638. You can chime in on our question of the week, next week's question of the week, as we get into the Motorhead episode.

• 17:23Jake Brennan?

  Is a little bit different. Motorhead was one of the first real concerts I saw. Not the first. I saw a handful before, but Motorhead was one of the first concerts where I felt truly in danger, even though it was with my dad. It was Motorhead and Slayer in 1986, I believe, at the Orpheum in Boston. And I want to know from you guys, question of the week is going to be, what was the first concert you attended? That's it. The first one that had, it doesn't have to be that the very first, it just has to be the first one that had a real impact on you. I mentioned the Jay Giles concert I was at earlier, when my stepdad nearly, nearly beat down the dude who popped my balloon. That was Jay Giles and ZZ Top, I think. And I

• 18:04Jake Brennan?

  think I was probably about five years old. Westboro Speedway, perhaps. I don't remember it. I don't remember it at all. But I remember that Motorhead concert very clearly. So, question of the week for next week, what was your first concert that had a huge impact on you? 617-906-6638. In light of our Motorhead story, hit us up, call us, leave us a voicemail like Ricardo, or send us a text. Let's check out this voicemail here from the 678.

• 18:34Speaker 06

  Hey Jake, this is Adrienne, is in Rocky, calling from the 678. I actually was calling to leave you kind of like a recommendation. One of my favorite bands, all time favorite bands, which I think you might already be familiar with, but if not, they're from Massachusetts, and they're around in the 90s. And they are to me like, top favorite, one of my favorite, top favorite bands. And to me, again, they're like the epitome of punk rock, and they are the kings of nothing. So if you're not familiar with them, check them out. I don't think you'd be disappointed. All right. Later.

• 19:18Jake Brennan?

  Adrienne, I am resisting doing my Sylvester Stallone impersonation to Adrienne. I'm not going to do that for you, okay? Ruined my voice. I love the recommendations. Thank you very much. Always come at me with whatever you got. And you're going to be very surprised to hear what I'm about to tell you right now, Adrienne. Not only have I heard of Kings of Nothing. I was in Kings of Nothing. Okay, I was literally in the band. Here's the story. Prior to being called Kings of Nothing, they were the Boston Blackouts.

• 19:55Jake Brennan?

  Tor, Liam, Necro, myself, Justin, who I christened Justice, which he didn't like, and a couple others. I don't even remember. It was a huge fucking band. Anyways, I sang in that band and played guitar. We did two gigs, two shows. They were epic.

• 20:17Jake Brennan?

  Guy got knifed and thrown out the window of the causeway for the first show we played. The second show we played was downstairs at the Middle East, I believe, with the Shods. Great, great Boston punk band. LOL punk band, I should say to be more accurate. And I quit after those two shows. It was way, way too intense. That's not why I quit. I quit because I wanted to go back to school and I wanted to focus more on that and less on punk rock and rock and roll. And when I quit, Tor moved from upright bass to being the frontman. And they went on to have a real career.

• 21:02Jake Brennan?

  Prior to that, again, we were called the Boston Blackouts, and then they changed the name. And yeah, that's what happened. We never recorded, but we did do those two gigs and they were, they were insane. I think there was fire involved. I'm not even joking. And again, guy gets stabbed and thrown out the window. Causeway, Chet's Last Call. So it was called prior to that. So there you go, Adrian. Great call. I often forget about that band and I shouldn't because it was a real moment in my life. It was wild. I have tons of wild stories, as I'm sure you do as well. All right. Let's move on here. Let's go do some texts from the 919.

• 21:42Jake Brennan?

  Texin, I listened to your pod on the stagnant culture. This is, last week, we talked about how culture has sort of stopped resetting every 10 years like it used to do. And I'm not going to go into the whole thing again, but if you want to listen to it, it's there for you in the last after party. And the text you hear 919 says, hey, I listened to your pod on the stagnant culture and I thought I was just old and out of touch with the culture until I moved my son out of his freshman college dorm a year ago, where you're taking down Alice in Chains and South Park posters, when I realized my son was having the exact same college experience I did. I attended college from 1992 to 1997,

• 22:23Jake Brennan?

  when the last relevant culture shift was happening. My daughter and I love to find good new music and have been saved by bands like Mount Joy, Backseat Lovers, and Big Something. The first time I saw Backseat Lovers live, I said, this is their generation's Kurt Cobain. And the difference is that these great bands play in front of 2,000 people and seem to make enough money from streaming to stay together. I like that I can watch these bands in small venues, but they won't be changing culture until music and media corporations deem it profitable to back them. And 919, you're spot on. I would add that it's, it's kind of, I don't know if it's that they're, I mean, part of it is they're not getting the big mainstream push that certainly Nirvana got back in the day. But again, for all the

• 23:08Jake Brennan?

  reasons I said last week, culture and media are just so different nowadays than they were back then. And yeah, there's a corporate stranglehold that just, it de-incentivizes artists to create the way that artists in the past were incentivized to create. That's part of it. There's a lot of stuff going on. But I wanted to read that text, and I believe this mess, this guy emailed this as well. I wanted to read this because 919, I just, you really perfectly summed up the whole issue here. You're taking down posters from your, your son's dorm. And they're the same posters you had in your dorm on the same artists, same TV

• 23:53Jake Brennan?

  shows. It's wild, just wild. All right, let's check out same subject. This one from the 724 who writes in, "Hey, I gotta disagree with you, Jake. I think Swift, that'd be Taylor Swift, is changing the culture. You see the way young women are coming up and being social media managers for sports teams and pulling the teen girl longing. I think Taylor speaks to that. She's certainly changing the industry with her wrestling control from the labels and doing what they can to limit that control. I don't think there's another person who is, but I do think Taylor is having a cultural influence, even if the culture is her harking back to the 90s when she grew up, just in my opinion." Well, you know, I don't entirely

• 24:36Jake Brennan?

  agree with you here. And I gotta say, I'm kind of wrestling with this, this, this text and not knowing what to do with it. Like, on the one hand, I like that I'm being challenged, and I want to acknowledge that. I don't want to pretend to you guys that this is just a big chorus of approval here, where I say something and you guys just parrot back what I say. Oftentimes, people disagree or have different takes, and I like that. I encourage that. I think that's great. I want to think through these things critically with you. But at the same time, I don't want to sit here and be arguing into the void when this person doesn't have a forum right now to defend their argument. But I'll just say, I don't, I don't think Taylor Swift is changing the culture. She's certainly influential when

• 25:21Jake Brennan?

  it comes to the business side of it and record sales. I don't see a lot of people beyond her, her sort of immediate demographic of, of young women behaving any differently because of Taylor Swift. And as far as, as far as her getting her, her songs back from the labels and, and ownership, that's-

• 25:43Jake Brennan?

  That's not anything new and it really only happens to major artists, huge artists like this. Bruce Springsteen went through something very similar once he became super successful. But it's not like in Taylor's resting back control of her music that it has created a sort of watershed moment for, for other artists to do so. It hasn't. She's able to do it because she is a, she's an anomaly. She's an aberration. She's, she's bigger than anyone else. That said, I, you know, you know, hit me back here 724. I do take a lot of what you're saying here. I do think she is influential on women coming up, like you say, but I don't entirely agree with your point. Any of y'all want to argue

• 26:27Jake Brennan?

  with me or just talk about whatever you want to talk about 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. And of course you can, you can always DM me. I might hit you back on Instagram, Tik Tok, Facebook, at disgracelandpod. You can email me [email protected]. Surefire way to get my attention and get a response immediately. Hit me up on Patreon in the chat. Don't direct message me on Patreon. Their messaging app sucks and takes forever to load and I seldom use it. So if you have messaged me there and I haven't responded, that's why. But just, just publicly call me out in the chat and ask me whatever you want and I'll get in there with you. We'll chop it up. All right. Going to chop it up

• 27:09Jake Brennan?

  with you on the other side of this break right now. Back in a flash. I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 27:50Speaker 02

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• 28:21Speaker 03

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture, Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection,

• 29:04Speaker 03

  common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or flulike symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 29:28Jake Brennan?

  All right, my peoples, we are back. Listen, Disgrace Land isn't the only place we play every week, okay? We also play over in Hollywood land. Tons of episodes from the annex of Hollywood in true crime on your favorite actresses and actors and directors. And in addition to the fully scripted episodes that we're releasing over there that are going to feel and sound a lot like disgracing episodes, just with slightly different subject matter. We also do these rap party bonus episodes, but it's not just me on the mic like it is here in the after party. It's me and Seth Lundie and people are loving it. We're getting a lot of great feedback. The show is growing every week. Seth is really crushing it over there. Seth is more of a movie head than I am. He knows

• 30:11Jake Brennan?

  more about movie history than I do. I think he was a film school nerd. I could be wrong about that. There's a lot of mystery in Seth's background. I don't ask, you know, things get said and I just kind of go, hmm, okay. You know, there's some weird run in with John Mayer from his, you know, you can ask him. I'm not gonna, I'm dead. It's not for me. Anyhow, Matt, let's, let's give the people a little, a little taste of the rap party. Show those who have not yet subscribed to Hollywood land, what they're missing. In addition to the full episodes, like I said, you get these rap party episodes. And then guys, after you listen to this clip, I want you to go to Hollywood land and Apple podcasts or Spotify or iHeart or the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts. And I want

• 30:53Jake Brennan?

  you to subscribe to Hollywood land. All right, Matt, give them that clip.

• 30:58Speaker 07

  Seth Lundie here with Jake Brennan coming at you with the part of the show we call for your consideration. This is where Jake and I give you music and movie recommendations. But the twist is that they are recommendations inspired by the subject from our full episode of Hollywood land this week. So look, I could easily recommend three great Harrison Ford movies right off the top of my head, but like, what's the point? Because you've all seen them. You all, you're just going to nod your heads and be like, yep, that's great. That's great. What I want to recommend and what I want to talk about are three great movies that Harrison Ford turned down, three great roles that he, movies he was not in. And Jake, I want to litigate with you right here in real time, whether or not those movies would have been better.

• 31:38Jake Brennan?

  Okay.

• 31:39Speaker 07

  With Harrison Ford in them. Okay.

• 31:40Jake Brennan?

  Love this.

• 31:41Speaker 07

  All right. So number one, JFK, 1991, directed by Oliver Stone. So Harrison Ford was up for the role of Jim Garrison, which of course went to Kevin Costner. What do you think about this movie with Harrison Ford as Jim Garrison?

• 31:56Jake Brennan?

  I can't stop thinking of Harrison Ford and Kevin Bacon's role in JFK. You a fine looking piece of meat, Mr. Garrison.

• 32:05Jake Brennan?

  Yeah, damn. I love Kevin Costner in this role.

• 32:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 32:11Jake Brennan?

  It's a defining role for Kevin Costner.

• 32:13Speaker 07

  Agreed.

• 32:13Jake Brennan?

  I think it's his best role, actually. I think it's better than Field of Dreams, better than The Untouchables, but Harrison Ford, wow. He would have, he would have brought a, a, a, a kind of like, like a meanness to it almost, you know, like a, like a pissiness.

• 32:28Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 32:29Jake Brennan?

  Yeah.

• 32:30Speaker 07

  He would have been much more cynical. I think what works for Kevin Costner is that there's something so like green and aw shucks about him.

• 32:36Jake Brennan?

  Yeah.

• 32:36Speaker 07

  You know what I mean? That I think really works as his character is sort of plunged into this world of conspiracies and stuff. And

• 32:42Jake Brennan?

  Yep.

• 32:43Speaker 07

  It would have, it just would have been different with Harrison Ford.

• 32:45Jake Brennan?

  I think Harrison Ford would have been too cynical and it wouldn't have, it wouldn't have scanned right. And it probably wouldn't have had the impact it had. So for that, even though I may have enjoyed Harrison Ford in it more than Kevin Costner, I think the role in the movie is better with Costner.

• 33:00Speaker 07

  Yep, agreed.

• 33:01Jake Brennan?

  That's Hollywood land. You heard it here. Uh, you know, you know, the drill. Go to Hollywood land on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts and subscribe so you do not miss any of that hot Hollywood and true crime action that Zeth Monday and myself are giving to you every week. All right. That's Hollywood land on whatever podcast app you use. Make sure you are subscribed. All ready then it's time now. You know what time it is. It's time for the 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds brought to you again by our friends at five hour energy in their new confetti craze flavor. Taste just like birthday cake with a vanilla and buttery flavor to let you be unapologetically extra and unstoppable energized. Head to your local retailer, www dot five hour energy.com or

• 33:43Jake Brennan?

  Amazon to order yours today. Listen, speaking of today, Matt, give me the buzzer. Go ahead. The NFL season is upon us. It's coming. The season opens on September 4th with the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles hosting the Dallas Cowboys. Those of you don't know, Cowboys are my other team. Okay. I'm a Pats fan, always been a Cowboys fan as well, but Pats fan first. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Uh, this also means with the start of the NFL season that in the next few weeks, I'll have two fantasy football drafts that I'll have to prepare for. And I have to say, I'm not happy about it. Who else plays fantasy football like I do? Strictly out of social FOMO. Okay. Who else plays out of FOMO? I don't like fantasy football.

• 34:26Jake Brennan?

  But I also hate it. I don't like playing it until I do. I don't like talking about it unless I'm on a tear that weekend. I don't like thinking about it, yet here I am thinking about it and talking to you guys about it. Understand this, I'm a dude who doesn't even like looking at his phone. If it weren't for me making my living in digital media, I would be totally off the grid. But dude, what pick am I gonna get in my snake draft? All right? Fantasy football will eat you alive is what I'm saying. If you're naturally competitive like I am, it'll ruin your fall and your early winter. And I can't let my sisters beat me. And in my other league, I can't let my father-in-law think I'm an asshat homer who, yeah, maybe once drafted a Patriots kicker in the third round. I can't lose, man. That's what I'm saying. Yet I couldn't give a shit either. That's the other part of this. I like the games as they were meant to

• 35:11Jake Brennan?

  be played. I don't like watching for fantasy points on Sunday. I like defense over offense. I like pounding ground games in illegal hits that were legal in every decade except for this one. But still, I play fantasy football because I'm a sucker, man. Any other suckers out there? Who else feels like fantasy football is a blessing and a curse? I don't know. But I do know I'll be playing this fall for what will be my 13th season in one league and fourth or fifth in the other. I can't even keep track. I started that other league. I don't even want to be in it. But I can't not be in it. I want to be in it. I don't want to miss anything. Okay. What the hell is wrong with me? Matt, how'd I do?

• 35:48Speaker 08

  Well, Jake, I gotta say, you didn't make it in under 30 seconds. But I really think we should put that aside. This week's rant really seemed like a cry for help. And I think we should, you know, put our focus on getting you the help that you need. So maybe we can, you know, sit down with a couple of five-hour energies and talk about that after the show. Okay, buddy?

• 36:14Jake Brennan?

  I knew I went too long. I knew it. I knew it. I couldn't help myself. I'll try harder next week.

• 36:20Jake Brennan?

  All right, that was the sports rant sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new confetti craze flavor. Unleash your party vibes with as much caffeine as your favorite 12 ounce fancy coffee, but with zero sugar and zero crash. Available in stores, on Amazon, or at www.fivehourenergy.com. So, speaking of the football, last year, we did a banger episode on the super suspicious death of NFL owner Carol Rosenbloom. But this week, we're talking about the suspicious deaths of rock stars in the bonus section of the after-party, as I mentioned earlier. I'm dipping into Elliott Smith and Al Jackson Jr., two musicians whose deaths are steeped in mystery and conflicting narratives. These are stories I wanted to tell for years, guys, but they've always felt too sketchy,

• 37:05Jake Brennan?

  too unresolved, too controversial to fully dive into in the main feed. But here's the thing, we don't need to wait for Chasm or whoever the fuck else to give us the studio algorithm-approved, lame-ass versions of these stories. We can start digging in now because you're as interested in this stuff as I am. You're as interested in separating the noise from the truth as I am. You're obsessed like me, and so this bonus section is for you. It's not a full deep dive. We're dipping our toes into these stories for now, maybe more later, probably more later. I don't know, I haven't figured it out. But right now, you can get some of this hot Elliott Smith weirdness,

• 37:43Jake Brennan?

  some of this Al Jackson Jr. conspiracy, or curiosity, I should say. Go to disgracypod.com/membership to become an all-access member and unlock this bonus episode, plus ad-free episodes, extra full episodes, and a direct line to this mission that we are all on, all for just $5 a month, less if you sign up for the year. And like I said, that price, guys, like I said, it's going up soon. But if you join now, you're locked in for life at just $5 a month. We reward the early diggers, the early discos. All right.

• 38:31Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Thanks for joining me on another wild ride here in the after-party. Mentioned a ton of artists in this episode. Donny Hathaway, Taylor Swift, Metallica, even not an artist, but we mentioned that NFL story. We have episodes on all of these stories and Matt is going to provide the episode notes in the show notes section of the after-party for you to easily find these stories in our massive archive of over 235 episodes, full episodes. I don't even know how many we have anymore. How's that for crazy? We may have had some weird milestone we passed and I'm not even aware. We just keep making shit for you guys. So let's recap. All right. Number one, this week's full episode, The Temptations, part two. That's available for you right now. Number two, coming up next

• 39:16Jake Brennan?

  is our rewind episode on David Bowie and my freak out in a moonage daydream. Oh yeah. Number three, up next week, our episode on Motorhead. Number four, out in Hollywoodland right now is our story on Harrison Ford. Number five, 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text, get at me. You can DM me at @disgracelandpod on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and X. [email protected] to email me. Your voice helps uncover what got buried. Your takes propel me into the dark corners of music history. So keep them coming. Dig, baby, dig. Now that the night is over, as the man once said. Number six, do not forget Discos. This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace.

• 40:00Jake Brennan?

  All right. Tammy Terrell, featured in this week's part two episode on The Temptations, died on March 16th, 1970. Here's what America was listening to that week according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Bridge Over Troubled Water, Simon and Garfunkel. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, six. Number two, traveling band, who'll stop the rain? Creedence Clearwater revival. Last week, two. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, seven. Number three, the rapper, The Jaggers. Last week, seven. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, seven. Number four, rainy night in Georgia, Rubberneck.

• 40:45Jake Brennan?

  Brooke Fenny, last week, four. Peak position, four. Weeks on chart, 10. Number five, my fellow, The Tassie. Last week, six. Peak position, five.

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• 41:12Jake Brennan?

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• 42:11Jake Brennan?

  Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyage. It's back by popular demand. This five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that- I will be on the cruise this year along with Zeph and he and I will be taping a live version of Disgrace Land along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners, Wisecrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind

• 42:55Jake Brennan?

  voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime to secure your spot.