Bonus Episode: Soccer Hooligans, Rockstars, Britpop Battles and War

Which metal bassist could have been a Soccer star? A Rod Stewart myth busted (no, not THAT one), Sir Elton, the Cartel, and the Battle of Britpop on the pitch and beyond. It’s a special rock ‘n’ roll World Cup bonus episode of Disgraceland. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:46Jake Brennan?

  Hey, discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:13Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this bonus episode, a top five soccer hooligan rock star countdown, as inspired by this week's full episode on the Hillsborough disaster, Rod the Bod, Sir Elton, the cartel, some metalhead tryhards and more. Plus, your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the

• 2:57Jake Brennan?

  kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:14Jake Brennan?

  All right. So we're doing a little bit of sports this week because the World Cup is among us, but you know, sports through the lens of chaos and tragedy, which is very Disgrace Land. Our Hillsborough tragedy episode is in the feed for you guys. That's what prompted all this. This is the story of the 97 innocent victims who died at this soccer match back in 1989. And the story about how they were scapegoated by authorities. It's just, it's maddening. It's, I knew nothing about this story when I first heard about it about five years ago or so. Anyways, it's an incredible tale. I hope you dig it. Check it out. It's in the feed right now. We have it live now.

• 3:57Jake Brennan?

  Because of this time of year, the World Cup is happening, NBA Finals are happening, Stanley Cup Finals, the NCAA Baseball Tournament. Sports is dominating our attention at the moment is what I'm saying. So I thought I'd do a little high fidelity Rob Gordon Championship Final Top Five Rock and Roll Soccer Crossover Moments with an emphasis, of course, on the strange and bizarre and the unknown, unknown at least to me and hopefully to you as well. All right. So let's get into it. Number five, the rock and roll myth that Rod Stewart, and no, not that myth, that Rod Stewart was signed by a professional soccer club by Brentford FC, Brentford Football

• 4:40Jake Brennan?

  Club, back before he became a famous rock star. The myth goes, as the myth goes, Rod chose not to play professionally in order to sing about hot legs and girls named Maggie May. But that's not true. Okay. What is true is that Rod tried out. It was his life's ambition as a child up to that point to become a professional soccer player. He tried out, but the team never called him back. But this was believed forever, basically. And the story originated with a young publicist back in the day when Rod's career was just getting going. And the story was embellished throughout the years. People believed it. It was, of course, overshadowed by another Rod Stewart rock and roll myth that I'm not going to get into here. And it wasn't until Rod himself set

• 5:25Jake Brennan?

  the record straight in his 2012 autobiography, which is really good, by the way, I highly recommend it. I'm sure, however, that Rod was, was at least pleased with the notion that people thought he could have been a professional soccer player, football player. I can't say football. I have to, I have to say soccer. English listeners, forgive me, European listeners, I should say, forgive me. When I say soccer, I know full That you guys call it football. And I'm just gonna say soccer because that's what we do over here. We have a whole other game. You know this. All right, I'm not going to get into that. Listen, I'd be pleased too, if the world thought that I, in addition to being a world famous rock star, could also be a professional athlete.

• 6:10Jake Brennan?

  And you know, Rod kinda looks the part. I know it's weird to think of 1970s Rod Stewart as a professional athlete, professional anything besides a rock star, based on the whole peacock attire and the, you know, the hair, all that. But if you look at 70s photos of him playing soccer, he kinda looks great. He looks the part, I gotta say. It's a believable story, but it's not true. All right. Number four. Listen, what's up with the dudes in Iron Maiden? I swear, they're like superhumans or something. Singer Bruce Dickinson, he literally flies Iron Maiden and their crew from gig to gig

• 6:52Jake Brennan?

  in a massive Boeing 747 jumbo jet. This isn't like John F. Kennedy Jr. up there in a little prop plane. A jumbo jet, all right? Bruce Dickinson's also vegan. He's, I think, 276 years old and still looks 33. I think he's straight edge. And he was once ranked top 20 in the UK as a fencer, which I'm told is a sport. But I'm not here to talk about fencing. I'm here to talk about Steve Harris, Iron Maiden's bass player. And in addition to inventing his own style of bass playing that has been aped by tons of heavy metal bass guitarists over the years.

• 7:33Jake Brennan?

  Steve Harris, bass player for Iron Maiden, was also scouted as a kid by legendary footballer Wally St. Pierre and signed to West Ham. United signed into their youth program anyways. Now, Steve Harris, unlike Rod Stewart, he actually did get the call and he chose to play rock and roll instead. Still supports West Ham United to this day. Pretty cool. All right. Number three, this is the one I really want to talk about. 1996, great year. So-called swaggiest game of soccer ever was played in East London at a charity event during the height of Britpop and more specifically during the height of the Oasis/Blur battle for Britpop supremacy.

• 8:17Jake Brennan?

  They literally called it the battle of Britpop. We'll get into the mechanics of all that, what that was in the exclusive section of this after-party and more into the Oasis and Blur rivalry than we're going to do right here. Go to disgracenpod.com to sign up, get that exclusive content, get other exclusive content, get ad-free content, all that. All right. Disgracenpod.com. And that conversation's coming up later, but back to this one right here. Again, the battle for Britpop supremacy. Now, the battle, you might be surprised to learn, was won by Blur with their 1995 chart dominance of their single Country House. Not Country Home, Country House, reigning supreme over the Oasis single Roll With It.

• 9:00Jake Brennan?

  However, the war, the Britpop war, was ultimately won by Oasis with their recent dominance, as witnessed by their 2025 unprecedented cultural and commercial resurgence, the new tour, all that stuff. You guys know all about that. But back in 1996, it was still undetermined which of these two Britpop rivals was going to reign supreme. And no one knew who was going to reign supreme on the soccer field, on the pitch, as they say. Okay, two celebrity teams pulled together to bang balls out on the field. And one team was captained by Damon Albarn from Blur and the other team was captained by Liam Gallagher from Oasis. It should be mentioned that Damon is a supporter of Chelsea and Liam is a supporter of Man

• 9:45Jake Brennan?

  City. On the field that day, a ton of drama, as you can guess. Anytime you have Liam Gallagher and Damon. From Blur in the same vicinity, there's gonna be drama. Most of it, however, was brought on by Liam. He was in Damon's face, the almost the entire time physically all over him all game. At one point he tried pulling down his pants. At another point in the middle of the game, he took a smoke, smoke break, Liam did on the field. That makes sense. Chucked a, Chucked a can of beer at a reporter. That makes sense as well. Just genius Gallagher, Hooligan field work. And of course, these guys, they looked great the entire time. Pictures of this event are fascinating.

• 10:26Jake Brennan?

  Just fascinating. They're awesome. You can tell Damon's taking it kind of seriously. He's kind of dressed in his own little uni. And then you got, you got Liam who's in a, in a Kangol on the field. Fucking amazing. It's so good. Damon's team won and Liam, of course, was not happy about that. You can hear, like I said, you can hear about the Battle of the Pop, more about that with Zeth and I in the exclusive section of this after party. Disgraceantpod.com to sign up. But if you want to hear more about, this is fascinating. If you want to hear more about how soccer fight songs, okay, the big stadium chants. If you want to hear more about how that music directly inspired the pop mastery of Oasis,

• 11:11Jake Brennan?

  you got to check out our Oasis episodes in our archive. All right. Okay, next, number two on our Rob Gordon championship vinyl list of soccer. What are we doing? Soccer, rock and roll madness. Number two. This one is the weirdest and I've largely ignored stories in my podcasting career about Mexican cartels getting involved in the music industry, uh, sports world as well. But I am blown away at the lengths that the cartels go to, to grow their criminal enterprises. In 2017, the United States Department, United States Treasury Department

• 11:52Jake Brennan?

  revealed that one professional soccer player, Mexican player Rafael Marquez, was being used along with a popular Mexican musician, Julio Alvarez. To launder money for one of the cartels. Not just like, just imagine, we'll get to this in a second. Marquez played for Barcelona and was the captain of the Mexican national team. Okay. So just, just imagine that you work your whole life to get where you are. The literal top of the game of your game. And one day a violent drug trafficker comes knocking. He tells you that you're going to help him launder his truckloads of money

• 12:34Jake Brennan?

  by buying and holding expensive assets for him. And then you get popped by the feds and your career is ruined. Sort of, not really, still, yikes. Same goes for the musician here. And that's almost a little more understandable that a musician would get caught up in kind of a racket with a cartel, given that the history of the music business is so closely related to the crime business. But sports seems a little more pure, I guess. Anyways, Marquez, the player here, despite the drug cartel allegations, somehow cleared his name with Mexican authorities. I'm putting quotes around authorities and built a career as a coach.

• 13:17Jake Brennan?

  And is now incredibly, to this day, the head coach of the Mexican national team. There's a lot I could say about this story that I'm not saying. You can kind of read between the lines here. And all the info is out there and easy to find if you're interested. Okay, number one. Now, I knew the Rod Stewart story here. I knew about the Oasis and Blur match. I knew about Iron Maiden Steve Harris. I knew that he was some kind of child savant, I should say. I didn't quite know the, the whole soccer connection. And I'm not surprised about the Mexican cartel infiltrating the world of soccer and music through players and musicians. But somehow, in all of My music history research, I never came across the fact that Elton John not only owned

• 14:02Jake Brennan?

  one, but two professional soccer clubs, Watford FC and the Los Angeles Aztecs. Even more important is the fact that Elton John brought this football club, Watford. Am I saying that correctly? I'm probably not. I apologize to the good people of Watford, wherever that is. He brought this football club back from financial and competitive ruin. Lowest of the fourth division ranked dead last, 92 of 92, all the way to the top tier of the first. Basically, Elton John did what Ryan Reynolds and Rob from Always Sunny in Philadelphia did with Wrexham. Elton John already did it. It's just that there wasn't a Hulu back then when he did it.

• 14:46Jake Brennan?

  So they didn't make a TV show about it. But you know what's wild? I thought of this this morning when I was, when I came across this fact. When I interviewed Elton John back in 2019, it was May of 2019. And he asked me, it was sort of like after, after the interview was done and he, he asked me where I was from. And I told him Boston and he got really animated and excited. He wanted to, I thought this is hysterical. He, he started talking to me about the Boston Bruins because they're in the Stanley Cup at that moment. And he was, he was just really animated about the success of Boston sports. And wanted to know what it was like to be a Boston sports fan. Crazy.

• 15:30Jake Brennan?

  And this is because, like I said, the Bruins were in the Stanley Cup at that moment. They lost to the Blues. The Celtics were in the Eastern Conference Finals. I, I think they had just lost to Cleveland. I think that was at LeBron's Cavaliers. I think it was. But a couple of months earlier, the Patriots had Won the Super Bowl, they'd beaten the Rams and that was in January and a couple months before that, in October, early November, the Red Sox had won the World Series. It's just fascinating to think that out there as a Boston sports fan that, you know, Elton John is sitting out there somewhere, you know, thinking about all the success that

• 16:11Jake Brennan?

  we are having as Boston sports fans. Really blew my mind and I am so pissed off at myself for not knowing this history then about Elton John and the football team that he, he still owns a piece of, he's not running the team anymore with his buddy, but that he actually, he actually did what, again, what Ryan Reynolds and Rob from Always Sunny are celebrated for doing. It's like we've almost completely forgotten about this. It's not, I guess because Elton John has done so much, maybe. It's like, oh yeah, he did this thing too. But I don't know, I find it completely fascinating. Anyways, there's a little rock and roll in soccer history for you guys. Anyways, I find it completely fascinating and I'm a little upset at myself

• 16:56Jake Brennan?

  that I wasn't able to bring that up with Elton John in the moment and talk to him about it and get his perspective of what that would have been like. You know, it's fascinating perspective. So few people own and guide the success of professional sports teams, never mind, uh, while also being one of the biggest pop stars on the planet, in the history of the world, actually. I would have loved that. I would have loved to have asked him what that was like and I didn't get the chance because of my own ignorance. And, uh, yeah, bums me out a little bit. All right, anyways, there's a little rock and roll in soccer history for you guys, uh, for World Cup week here in honor, as I said, of the Hillsborough Disaster episode in your feeds this week. Speaking of disasters, we have our Marilyn Manson archive

• 17:39Jake Brennan?

  episode coming in the rewind slot this week. That's dropping right after this, so don't go anywhere. We still got a lot of after. After party, so don't go anywhere. But you know, you know, the Manson story.

• 17:51Jake Brennan?

  People ask me all the time, where do you get these crazy stories? How do you, how do you know what these rock stars are up to? And I often tell them about how, well, you know, it's all out there. Many of them even put this information out there themselves. This guy, this fucking guy, he wrote it all down in his book, seriously? About how he was going to commit murder, uh, like in detail, how he was going to pull off the crime. Uh, you know, how he degraded women fans, the abuse, the nihilism, the inhumanity. It's all there in his book. All of it is in Marilyn Manson's autobiography. So when accusations flooded into the public about Manson's treatment of the women in his life, a couple of years ago, none of it was surprising.

• 18:35Jake Brennan?

  Actually, that's not true. It was surprising. Confounding is a better word than surprising. Anyhow, check out this episode if you have not already. And actually, even if you have checked it out, even if you have listened, listen again. You'll learn more. You'll pick up more details. And this episode will not fail to shock you even on second listen. Okay. After Marilyn Manson, next week, we got a new episode in the feed on George Jones, one of my favorite singers of all time. Not just my favorite country singers, one of my favorite singers, period. I hear George's voice and I just stop what I'm doing and I listen. George had one of the greatest voices ever. So when you're listening to this episode, you're thinking about which singers do it for you the most? Who's got that voice that just stops you in your tracks?

• 19:19Jake Brennan?

  That can bring you to tears, that can make you feel things that you don't normally feel. All right. That's going to be the question of the week. 617-906-6638. Give us a call, send us a text. Let us know your answer. You might hear yourself on the after party. Now, I'm really excited about these next few episodes. We got coming up at the beginning of the summer this year. The Sonic Youth episode we have coming is a banger to beat all bangers. And it is super true crimey. It's not only about Thurston Moore and the badassness of Kim Gordon and the awesomeness of Steve Shelley and Lee Rinaldo. Thurston and Kim's relationship. It's about the true crime story that inspired the cover of Sonic Youth's "Goo."

• 20:04Jake Brennan?

  A story with two of the coolest rock and roll heroes that nobody knows about at the center of it, a story about the shocking Moore's murders. Now, on the subject of shock, we are soon bringing you our heavily requested episode on Wendy Williams. You're like, oh, cool, maybe I'll check that out. Wendy Williams, she's the one with the duct taped nipples and the chainsaw who dated Lemmy from Motorhead, all that. Yes, it's about all of that, of course. That's kind of the stuff I knew about her before we got into this episode and putting it together for you guys. But I did not understand the emotion and creative heartbreak at the heart of Wendy Williams's story is a heavy one. And it's as much about the cost and the soul sucking, sometimes I should say, the sometimes

• 20:49Jake Brennan?

  soul sucking nature of trying to make it in this world as a committed artist, as it is about shock and the stuff that you would think it would be about when we're talking about Wendy Williams. It's also about New York in the 70s, so it's right up our alley. You're gonna dig it. Okay, so little unexpected preview of episodes we got coming up here in disgraceland this summer. Coming up right after this, your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and more. I'll be back in a flash.

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• 23:26Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. 617-906-6638. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone with you guys, taking your calls. I want to kind of go all over the map today, try to get to some folks who may have fell through the cracks with their voicemails and their texts, and really kind of just no agenda. We can talk about anything that we've been talking about over the last few weeks, last few months. Let's go to the 719. Where's that? Colorado. This is from Sally.

• 24:00Speaker 06

  Hi, this is Sally from Colorado. I'm a little behind because I just became a paid member, so I'm just now listening to your after-party about the list of the 30 most best writers, songwriters that are still alive. And I just wanted to mention that I think there's two things that are important. One, I think who you think is missing has a lot to do with whether you're a guy or a girl. So that's number one. And number two, as much as you may not like Diane Warren, Diane Warren, I believe, holds the record for being nominated for the most Oscars and not winning one. Okay, so, you know, like 18 or 19 times. So there's a reason she's on.

• 24:44Jake Brennan?

  The list. You may not like her, but there's a reason she's on the list. Your show is amazing. I can't even tell you how excited I am. I found it. Y'all have a great day. Bye. Sally, thank you for your call. I was just having some fun with Diane Warren. Not my cup of tea, you know, that big pop stuff, but I completely hear you. You said nominated for the most Oscars. I think you meant nominated for the most Grammys, right? I think. So she's basically like the Suzanne Lucci. Was that that woman's name? The soap opera star who would get nominated every year and not win. And I think, yeah, Diane Warren being nominated that many times, having that kind of impact that she's had despite my personal taste.

• 25:27Jake Brennan?

  You're absolutely right. Deserves deserves a spot on the list. So I hear you, Sally, and thank you for the kind words about the show as well. Appreciate you. Appreciate the new listeners for sure. Appreciate the older listeners as well, who have been here since back in the day. Let's go to, where are we going to go here? Let's go to the 385 and talk a little Foo Fighters.

• 25:49Speaker 06

  Hey Jake, um, big fan. Thing about Taylor Hawkins, um, I've been a big fan of Foo Fighters for a really long time. I've loved their music videos. I've loved every album, deep cuts and all that blah, blah and everything. And I watched the documentary on HBO and bought that album and I did everything short of see them. I never got to see them. I never got to see Taylor. And as a big fan of the Foo Fighters, it's really disappointing. And I delve deeper into their stuff. And I gotta tell you, the reason Taylor Hawkins died was pretty boring. It was drugs. That's it. That's my guess, you know, just of all the things they did.

• 26:32Speaker 06

  I mean, they did all the drugs and they got OD'd and they sent to the hospital and then they made a documentary about themselves. All right, peace.

• 26:40Jake Brennan?

  385, appreciate the call. And I gotta quibble a little bit. I just, my, my thinking here on the, he died from drugs reasoning, why wouldn't they just say that? And again, the reaction I think that you would give me if we were having a two-way convo here in, in real life, you'd say, well, You know, they didn't want his kids to know, his kids to know, they want his family to, you know, have to deal with whatever the ramifications are, public opinion, blah, blah, blah. But we live in a world where addiction is more understood than it ever has been before.

• 27:22Jake Brennan?

  We're, it's certainly more socially acceptable as a disease and no longer seen as something that, you know, is a mark of somebody who's weak or a personality defect or anything like that. And it just makes me think that, you know, if it were a drug overdose, even if it were accidental, you know, even if he was like smoking a joint and had like fentanyl on it or something, if that were the case, they would say that, but they just have not. And in the absence of a reason, there has to be a different reason, I guess. I don't know. I don't know. 617-906-6638. You got any more theories on the Foo Fighters?

• 28:02Jake Brennan?

  Hit us up. You want to talk about anything at all? Hit us up. Voicemail and text. 970 writes in on a popular, popular subject here, cover songs. On the disgracing question of unlikely covers, I know I'm late, but Run River North's cover of Mr. Brightside is amazing. Starts as a kind of coffee shop cover, but then turns into an amazing string arrangement and some great harmonies. It's beautiful. I think there's a lot of covers of Killer songs because they're, they're, the melodies are epic in scope and they just, they lend themselves to great interpretations. Thank you for the recommendation here, 970. Run River North, never heard of them, but I will check it out. My son, my youngest

• 28:43Jake Brennan?

  is obsessed with this song right now. So I'll look it up and I'll play it for him. 770 writes in, hey Jake, it's Jake. The Sopranos is my favorite show of all time and I had an important note. When Chrissy and Tony, Chrissy, are driving and listening to the Roger Waters live version of Comfortably Numb, they're listening to it off of The Departed soundtrack, which I've always found to be very interesting, especially considering the episode aired just a year after the movie was released. There's also overlap between the two as Armin Garo plays Coco in Sopranos and plays one of the Providence gangsters who gets his ass kicked by Billy Costigan in The Departed. Love the show. Keep up the great work. Rock-a-roller.

• 29:29Jake Brennan?

  First of all, the guy who plays Coco is one of the most frightening dudes to ever come on the screen in Sopranos. And I do reckon, I do remember him from Departed as well. Yeah, there's some crazy crossover there. I just talked about this. I can't tell if your text is, if you're writing me in relation to what we were just talking about, or if this is just coincidental. I did not mention that the actual CD that Chris Moltisante is listening to in that scene in the Kennedy and Heidi episode, not going to spoil it. I did not mention that it was the Departed soundtrack that he's listening to because I forgot, and he reminded me. And I think he says something about it, too.

• 30:11Jake Brennan?

  Doesn't he? I think he says something about the soundtrack. I don't know. Jake, let me know. 617-906-6638. Manny Bravo from the 732 in the Rock and Roll Asbury Park, New Jersey writes in, "I'm so glad that you were talking about Widows Bay on Apple TV. It's such a great show. I've been telling everyone about it. Each character has done so well with a little background on each stories of their own." Yeah, you're right. You're right, Manny. Was I talking about Widows Bay or was Zeth in the rap party? I can't remember. Back to the Sopranos with the 562, we might have some clarity on this, on this Departed issue here. This one's from Celeste. She writes in, "Hey Jake, I'm a Sopranos superfan, and I had to drop a line. Christopher was playing the soundtrack for the Departed

• 30:54Jake Brennan?

  for Tony. Christopher comments about how bad the sound system in his car. It is fiddling with it. He takes his eyes off the road and the rest is history." Hmm. Hmm. P.S. Thanks for the recommendation on DTF St. Louis. I only checked it out because you said it was good. Celeste. You are, you're welcome there, Celeste. I wonder if we're getting other DTFs. The title makes me think we are, DTF St. Louis. Maybe they're gonna do like a DTF Chicago, DTF Boston.

• 31:23Jake Brennan?

  I'd be into that. This one comes from the 503. Hello, new listener. Really love your podcast, Disgrace Land. Just got done listening to the Kanye episode about bipolar one disorder, and it really resonated with me because my mom and my brother both suffer from bipolar disorder. One suffers from bipolar two and the other from bipolar one, just like Kanye. And I will say, his depiction of a manic episode is 1,000% accurate. My brother will be okay one day, and then the next, he will think he is the next Messiah, and that he has to build the next kingdom of God. Sorry for the long text, but if Kanye really is telling the truth about having bipolar one disorder, I feel for him. The saddest part is they don't think anything's wrong with them. And then they think that

• 32:08Jake Brennan?

  once they're on medication and everything's normal, they can just stop taking it and things will stay the same. Appreciate the text 503. I have experience with this in my family as well, with my grandmother and my sister. And appreciate the text. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about Kanye. It's a really hard thing to talk about. It's a really hard thing to think about. I hope somebody writes a great book one day. All right, guys. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. You want to hit me up about anything, have at it. Now's a good time. I'm going on vacation and going on vacation for two weeks. So I'm banging out these after-party episodes. It's a good time to get in touch. You might hear yourself. 617-906-6638, but you gotta do it soon. All right, hit me

• 32:52Jake Brennan?

  up. Voicemail, text. I'll be back right after this with more of you. Emails, DMs,

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• 33:29Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 34:00Speaker 05

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 34:15Speaker 06

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 34:26Speaker 05

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 34:31Speaker 00

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 34:37Speaker 05

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• 35:03Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back to [email protected]. I got to clean something up here. I made a little mistake in that John Lennon episode, which has been live for a while now. We released it back into the wild with our rewind this past week. This email comes from Leslie Fortin, who points out that, hey, the Freedom Rally concert for John Sinclair in your John Lennon episode was not at Pontiac Stadium. I lived in Pontiac at the time and never heard of such a place. It was at Chrysler. Arena in Ann Arbor at the University of Michigan. Now, uh, Leslie, thank you for this. I messed up. I'm not trying to, uh, cast blame elsewhere, but I wonder if I read a mistaken depiction

• 35:42Jake Brennan?

  of this venue in my research, or if my brain just read Pontiac, excuse me, read Chrysler and, and then I voiced Pontiac, either are possible. I'm guessing it's the latter. I'm guessing that's what happened. My brain just fritz there. I apologize and I appreciate you pointing this out. We get to clean that up. And that is something that we will do shortly. [email protected]. I want to thank Artist Faulkner, listener from, doesn't say here, but he sends along a video with Henry Rollins talking about the new release from The Cramps. There's a new Cramps release and, uh, I don't know what the hell that is, but we got to figure it out. I'm digging into this Rollins video. Thank you, Artist. Appreciate you.

• 36:27Jake Brennan?

  Emily L. writes in, hey, you asked if there is something in music history, when we hear about it, it just makes us angry. Well, I'm going to have to go with Live Nation and Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster has been known to cheat, lie, steal and rip us off for years and get away with it. Live Nation has lied their way out of so many lawsuits and gets away with murder. These are two of the most evil corporations right now in the music industry. You're absolutely right, Emily. I do not disagree. It's maddening. I love how Jack Antonoff is at the front of this conversation. I don't understand. This is just insane. It's, I don't even like getting into it because my, it's one of those things I try really hard as I'm getting older to not focus on things that are making me angry. This is, this is one of them, man, right up there.

• 37:11Jake Brennan?

  [email protected]. You want to hit us up? We'll entertain any topic. Actually, that's not true. Make it about music and/or true crime. Surefire way to hear your email read. All right, listen, earlier, somebody had mentioned that I recommended, what was it? DTF St. Louis, as another, somebody else mentioned another recommendation, I can't remember what it was. If you want recommendations for me on the regular, they're happening in the Hollywoodland feed, in the Rap Party episode, where myself and Zeth Lundie each week give you recommendations. I give you music recommendations, Zeth gives you film recommendations. Usually, they're centered around some sort of crime. They're almost always centered around whatever that week's Hollywood and crime subject is that we're talking about in Hollywoodland.

• 37:56Jake Brennan?

  Make sure you are subscribed to the Hollywoodland podcast if you're not already. Also, Dr. Lundie and I, he's not only my doctor, he's also my attorney. Zeth and I are talking music and films, great soundtracks, great music supervision, our favorite films with the best music in our video podcast. This film should be played loud, and you can hear that. And you can watch that right now by becoming an All Access member. Our newest episode on the Royal Tenenbaums, go to disgracysampod.com to sign up. You'll get exclusive content like this, plus ad-free content, plus exclusive content like the conversation we're having about the Battle of Britpop, Oasis, and Blur. That's happening right now. Again, if you want to hear it, go to disgracysampod.com to sign up. All right, I'll be back in a flash.

• 38:52Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Let's recap. We talked about Iron Maiden today. Don't have an episode on Iron Maiden. I'd love to, I'd love to research one, though. They're a band that I, there's parts of their catalog that I really love, and parts I'm not interested in, but I am interested in the band and their history. We talked about Rod Stewart, and remarkably, we don't have a Rod Stewart episode either. Of course, we mentioned Oasis. Check out those Oasis episodes in our archive. Matt's gonna have episode information in the show notes section of this after-party to help you easily navigate to our Oasis episodes. It's that time, we've come to the end of another after-party, I gotta get out of here. So let's recap real quick, shall we? Number one, this week, our episode on the Hillsborough disaster is available for the

• 39:36Jake Brennan?

  World Cup-ness of everything that's happening, you can check that out right now. Number two, our rewind episode on Marilyn Manson is coming your way right after this. Number three, next week, our new episode on George Jones. Number four, Zest's gonna give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland podcast, so make sure you are subscribed wherever you get your podcasts. Number five, this film should be played loud, our video podcast this month on Royal Tenenbaums is available for you to watch. Go to disgracypod.com to sign up. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, texting, giving us your answers to this week's question of the week, or to whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget Discos, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community

• 40:18Jake Brennan?

  obsessed, and no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, April 15th, 1989, that's when the Hillsborough disaster went down, and this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, She Drives Me Crazy, Fine Young Cannibals, last week. Four, Peak Position, one, weeks on chart, 12. Number two, The Look, Roxette, last week, one, Peak Position, one, weeks on chart, 10.

• 40:57Jake Brennan?

  Number three, Like a Prayer, Madonna, last week, five, Peak Position, three, weeks on chart, five. Number four, Eternal Flame, the Bangs, last week, two, Peak Position, one, weeks on chart, number five.

• 41:30Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it. Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyage. It's back by popular demand. This five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year, along with Zeth, and he and I will be taping a live version of DisgraceLand, along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners, Wyscrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live

• 42:11Jake Brennan?

  podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime to secure your spot. I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 42:57Speaker 01

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• 43:42Speaker 01

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