Bonus Episode: Killer Concert Films

Why The Last Waltz is the greatest concert film of all time plus, in the exclusive section of this bonus episode, a long list of other favorites and some criminally overlooked live gems with Jake and Zeth. You can become an All Access member and hear this and more exclusive content, along with ad-free listening of all Disgraceland episodes, by going to disgracelandpod.com https://www.disgracelandpod.com/ and signing up via Patreon or Apple Podcasts. If you're an All Access member and you're having trouble accessing the ad-free feed or other subscriber benefits, please see the following links for help: Apple Podcasts Subscription Help https://support.apple.com/en-us/108378 Patreon Subscription Help https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041347732-How-to-use-your-audio-RSS For more great episodes of Disgraceland, check out our extensive archive, including stories like these: Episode 178 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/178/bob-dylan - Bob Dylan Episode 5 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/005/van-morrison - Van Morrison Episode 92 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/092/eric-clapton - Derek and the Dominos To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand.

• 1:55Jake Brennan?

  The After Party.

• 2:10Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we are discussing killer concert films in The Last Waltz, rewinding back with Merle Haggard, part one, and previewing next week's episode, our Merle Haggard, part two, story. And then we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else.

• 2:54Jake Brennan?

  All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:11Jake Brennan?

  Happy Thanksgiving, discos. Are you watching The Last Waltz this evening, after your meal, before your leftovers? When do you do it? What's your ritual? I'm watching it. It's been a tradition of mine for at least a decade, and each year, it never fails. I am leveled by how great the performances are in this concert film. As concert films go, you know where I stand. This is my favorite. I think it's because the band, who in this case are also the house band, are at the peak of their powers musically. That's one reason. In most concerts, with this kind of variety, a bunch of different artists performing, you know, I think your average rock and roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, that sort of thing,

• 3:54Jake Brennan?

  you don't get this type of consistency in the performance. And, well, in concert films...

• 4:01Jake Brennan?

  That are solely focused on one artist, you don't get the variety. But here you kind of get everything because of the band at the core, the spine of everything, both musically and from a storytelling perspective. And it's variety, you know, isn't variety what Thanksgiving is all about? So thematically, this makes sense as well.

• 4:22Jake Brennan?

  Here's what I mean. Actually, you know, variety is not what Thanksgiving is all about. Gratitude is what Thanksgiving is all about, of course, but variety is sort of what Thanksgiving dinner is about anyways. All those sides, you get your mashed potatoes, your stuffing, the squash, the broccoli Jennifer, the Spina Copita, the cranberry sauce, the stuff in the can, of course, so much variety. And, you know, that's what The Last Waltz delivers. You get your mashed potatoes with Ronnie Hawkins and your stuffing with Dr. John, your squash with Van Morrison, your broccoli Jennifer with Joni Mitchell, your Spina Copita with Bob Dylan, and your cranberry sauce in a can with Neil Diamond. What am I talking about? I have no idea. Who cares? It's Thanksgiving, all right? My favorite performance from The Last Waltz, aside from every moment Levon Helm is singing

• 5:05Jake Brennan?

  into the microphone and holding it down on the kit, is the Muddy Waters performance. It is just incredible. It's a full grown man right there. And speaking of Thanksgiving and gratitude, you can see the gratitude on Robbie Robertson's face during Manish Boy with Muddy Waters up there on stage. And I believe you can actually hear it in the music. Part of what makes The Last Waltz so satisfying to watch each year, it's not just the music, it's the story, the myth. The Last Waltz is so much more than a concert, so much more than a random show on an artist's tour, so much more than, you know, something that just happened when the cameras and mics

• 5:48Jake Brennan?

  were set up in just the right way, or in so much more than a concert contrived by the artist to sell records. The Last Waltz is pure myth. You're watching the band play and they are so good. And throughout the entire movie, you're asking yourself, why in God's name are they breaking up? Why is this their last show?

• 6:14Jake Brennan?

  That tension undergirds the entire concert. It's incredible counterpoint storytelling delivered by the most rock and roll of film directors, master storyteller Martin Scorsese. No other film has this type of subtext, not to my eyes anyways, I almost said not to my ears. And the other thing that The Last Waltz has that most other concert films don't have is stakes. You can see it in Robbie's eyes in the interview sections of the film. He's a dead man. He's dying. The road is killing him. It's either the road or all that cocaine that he's ripping through at night with Scorsese.

• 6:54Jake Brennan?

  But Robbie knows that if he doesn't get off the road, the road is going to kill him. And the other guys in the band, eh, they don't necessarily agree despite what they're saying or how they're acting or how they're being directed. They're just going along for the ride, following Robbie, and that tension only adds to the drama. Of course, a lot of this isn't evident on first watch. Upon first watch, you're just captivated by the music, blown away by the personalities in the band. You're like, wait, why didn't anyone tell me Rick Danko is as cool as Robert De Niro in Mean Streets? And what the fuck is, who is Richard May? Wow, what's up?

• 7:36Jake Brennan?

  This guy's got the sweetest soul ever and Garth Hudson is the oldest looking young dude I've ever seen in my life. And, you know, has anyone in the history of rock and roll ever had more feel than Levon Helm? It's just incredible. And I do, you know, I don't know if it's, it was subliminally transferred to me as a young person watching this film, but I like to think that I felt that gratitude, just the gratitude to be able to watch this movie, to watch this band, to feel like I had been let in on a secret gratitude. It's the undercurrent of The Last Waltz, the concert performed on Thanksgiving Eve, 1977.

• 8:21Jake Brennan?

  And like I said, you can see it and you can hear it in the performance. The band understands their place in rock and roll and pop music history when they're making this incredible document. They are right up there with the giants of the day. They're, they're up there on stage with living icons like their friend Bob Dylan and, and Eric Clapton. And they're standing tall, shoulder to shoulder with the giants and not for a second do you sense that anything is being taken for granted? We should all be so lucky to find some sense of that in our vocation, in our work, in our art, in our day to day life.

• 9:03Jake Brennan?

  It's so important and it's, it's up there for everybody to see on the screen in this movie that I know a bunch of you are going to be watching tonight, that I'm watching tonight. It's a powerful lesson, one again, that we should all remember. It's worth pointing out at this point that, you know, I'm grateful for a lot of things in my life, grateful especially for you guys out there listening and engaging with me and Zeth and Matt and everyone else at Double Elvis every week. We're making this content for you guys. Appreciate you so much. I hope you're having an awesome Thanksgiving with your family. I hope you're getting some time to watch The Last Waltz, one of the greatest, if not the greatest concert film of all time.

• 9:43Jake Brennan?

  Zeth and I will be going through a pretty substantial list of great concert films, our favorites, some critics' favorites, and some overlooked gems in the exclusive section of this after party. Head to disgracelandpod.com to sign up for all access. You can catch this conversation. If you're not signed up already, go do so. I'll be back after this short break and we're going to hear from you guys.

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• 10:53Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 11:24Speaker 05

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• 12:06Speaker 05

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• 12:57Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. I'm gonna dig into some more emails, more than I normally do here. I want to give you guys a chance to be heard here. This one comes from Rick Martinez. "Hey there, love the podcast. I would say it's storytelling at its best." Thank you, Rick. "But these stories are real, so enthralling, and you can't wait for the next sentence. I've always thought the story of Jaco Pistorius would be great with your format. Keep up the awesome work." You're absolutely right, Rick. We've had Jaco on the board for a while, and I think it might be on the schedule for next year. This is one of those stories that I know just a little about. I want to know more, and I'm very intrigued and I'm very excited to learn more about Jaco and this story. So, Rick, we're gonna have that for you at some point. Appreciate you writing in.

• 13:42Jake Brennan?

  All right, let's go to this email from Pip. Pip writes in, "Hey Jake, Aphex Twin and Outside with the Stars for Music When I'm High." Fucking excellent question. Looking forward to the answers. Pip says, "I didn't use my phone number. I'm in Australia." There we go. Pip also says, "I'm very lazy." But then, you know, Pip, you say you're lazy, but then you sent the second email as well. So you said, "One more song when I'm stoned, 'At the Bottom of Everything' by Bright Eyes." I don't know that I know that song, and I don't know much about Aphex Twin as well. So, appreciate that. Kind of doing a grab bag here, guys. I'm not staying on topic. I'm just gonna blast through your emails.

• 14:23Jake Brennan?

  April Hershey writes in, "How Music Heals and Triggers. Jake, I wanted to respond to your prompt from this past week regarding how music is therapeutic but may also be a trigger. My story is about both being true. To start, I need to introduce my late husband, Chris. He passed away at age 49 in 2024. Chris loved everything that reminded him of his childhood and youth, especially music. His favorites were punk, new wave, and 80s rock. Chris's prized possession was his 2015 Jeep Wrangler, where his SiriusXM channels were all of the above. One of our favorite things to do together was to throw our beloved dog Charlotte in the back of the Jeep, roll down the windows, and take off for Parks Brew." Hikes while listening to our favorite tunes.

• 15:05Jake Brennan?

  After his death, I found that anytime I took the Jeep out and that music would come on, I would sob, body racking sobs whilst trying to drive. This was definitely one of those triggers that they tell you about in grief. And I could choose to avoid it by not driving the Jeep and turning on the radio, or I could try to find joy in it. It's been almost two years since he passed and I can now report that I'm not sobbing every time I drive the Jeep and Jawbreaker or Pet Shop Boys, come on. But it still happens, driving the Jeep and listening to our favorite music was and is fun and allows me to feel closer to him, but it also makes me sad that he isn't here with Charlotte and I as we hit the road to Asheville for the weekend. I'm grateful that I have so many of his favorites as constant reminders and the happy memories

• 15:48Jake Brennan?

  those songs evoke, but grief is a cruel emotion that can turn great music into sadness and tears. Sincerely, April. April, I'm so sorry for your loss. This email is heavy and I'm glad you sent it in to us and I can completely relate. And you know, the only, they say it's a cliche, but the only way to get through grief is to go right through it and, and it's absolutely true. You can't avoid it. And I think your, your method here, your process, whatever you want to call it, is the right one. It's one that I've certainly used in my past in dealing with grief and I have absolutely used music myself, particularly writing about music as a way to kind of find my way through

• 16:32Jake Brennan?

  these really, really complex feelings. April, appreciate your message. I hope you and Charlotte are doing well. Write back, let us know what you're listening to these days. Hope you're having a good Thanksgiving, April. All right, let's keep going here, do a couple more while I got you guys paying attention. Tiffany Scherer writes in, hey, I've been listening to the podcast for two to three years now and I love everything about it. I've learned so much about popular music and new things about new musicians that were also new to me. I love the concept, I love the, okay, okay, you love it, I love it. I love that you love it. Thank you, appreciate it. You've got some cool recommendations here for shows, future episodes, Tiffany. So I just want to read these here. Appreciate the praise.

• 17:14Jake Brennan?

  Not trying to be, uh, not trying to not be grateful. Just, you know, appreciate it. Okay. Um, let's see here. Number one, your first recommendation here, Tiffany Wendy Williams. You say, I know she's not directly a musician, but I think her story in association with the music industry qualify her. I agree. I think you're right. I think the story is, uh, pretty nuts. And Wendy's super interesting. And I think that this is something we might get into. Your next rec here is a great one. Bobby Womack. You go on to say, I knew a little bit about the drama between him and Sam Cooke. The story was just brought back to my attention and my jaw literally hit the floor at the scandal of his relationship with Sam Cooke's wife and

• 17:56Jake Brennan?

  daughter, him wearing Sam Cooke's suit to the wedding with his former mentor's wife. I know it's fucked up. When I read this, um, when I was doing the Sam Cooke research, which I think Sam Cooke was episode three of Disgraceland. And, um, man, that was a tough episode to find my way through in the early days because for, for many reasons, there's the, you know, who killed Sam Cooke thing. And there are all these conspiracy theories and I don't believe in any of them. And most people do. That's the problem. I believe that Sam Cooke behaved in a really horrible way. And, um, you know, a, a woman defended herself and he was shot and killed.

• 18:37Jake Brennan?

  And I know that's not a sexy answer, but that's my conclusion after the research. The other big thing in the research that I came upon though, was this Bobby Womack story, which was little known and is really tough to tell as well because people love Bobby Womack. It just looks so bad. The optics are so, so, so, so bad. And I do think there's a Bobby Womack story there. I don't know that it could be entirely about the Sam Cooke piece because how do you do that without painting him as a complete and total fucking monster? I don't know. I'm sure there's some interesting stuff from, from Bobby Womack's, uh, early days coming up and, uh, the circuit he was playing on and all that that gets kind of crummy and grimy that'll lead us into a Sam Cooke story. Or maybe, you know, I've been doing these, um,

• 19:22Jake Brennan?

  we've been doing more video production here, sort of in the background and I'm going to do a new version, video version of the Sam Cooke story. Maybe I'll find a way to weave Bobby Womack into that a little more fully. Appreciate you, Tiffany. Thanks for writing in. Lee Leonard writes in, "Hey, question of the week, Jake, it's Lee in the 412. Dude, what happened with your phone number? I got a weird Google Voice message. Anyway, my number one rock record, my desert island disc has to be Songs for the Deaf by Queens of the Stone Age. Number two would be Paranoid by Sabbath, but Songs for the Deaf has everything. It's a masterpiece, in my opinion. Thanks, my friend and rock-a-rola. Songs for the Deaf is fantastic.

• 20:01Jake Brennan?

  Paranoid by Sabbath, though, I actually go Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath. Just that intro. I have a distinct memory of being high out of my mind in Detroit and it was storming out. We were driving and we're smoking a lot of hash and that, that song was on, the little moody, kind of like rain in the beginning. Oh, it's just awesome. The thunder was perfect. That was fun. Mike Viola, what's up? Figs, Figs Tour 2003. Long time ago, another life. All right, it's a holiday weekend, so I'm just gonna keep rocking here. I want to read this.

• 20:43Jake Brennan?

  This is from Brian Stone on Patreon, writes in, "Hey, finally signed up for the All-Access Pass during the Dr. John episode." This is Brian writing in the Patreon chat and Brian goes on to say, "I wanted to hear the exclusive mini-episode. I about fell over when I heard Brian Stone was a piece of shit manager who did Dr. John wrong. To be clear, I am not that Brian Stone. However, it may explain the cold welcome I received while working a Dr. John show at a club in Portland, Maine about 12 years ago, maybe a bit more. I was the monitor mixer and I'd just finished miking up the baby grand and introduced myself to Dr. John when he came out for soundcheck. I have my name and he went blank. And now it all clicks. He must have wanted to kill me on my name alone.

• 21:27Jake Brennan?

  It's definitely at the wrong time, but in the right place." That's from our new All-Access member, Brian Stone. Brian, way to, way to introduce yourself in the chat, man. Okay, Mike Lamino writes in, this is on DisgraceLand, @disgracelandpod. "Hey, I can't figure out from your website how to not get commercials. I bought a year's subscription. Thanks, Mike." Mike? Well, I don't know, but here's what we're gonna do. Matt Bowden, who handles sort of everything behind the scenes here at Double Elvis, is going to chime in in about four seconds and he's going to give you the best explanation he can on how to make sure that your All Access membership is delivering ad-free

• 22:11Jake Brennan?

  episodes. And it's different whether you're on Apple Podcasts or whether you are on Patreon. And Matt will quickly and succinctly run through each scenario right now for you, Mike, so that you can be taken care of. Appreciate your membership.

• 22:25Speaker 06

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• 23:08Speaker 06

  whatever podcatcher you're using, you'll need to paste in that custom RSS that you'll get from Patreon. In the show notes of today's episode, I'm going to post links that will help you for both Apple Podcasts and Patreon. Just click on those links and they'll take you to the information you need. If you're still having trouble, you can always reach out to me directly on email. The email address is Matthew, M-A-T-T-H-E-W, at doubleelvis.com, [email protected], and put in the subject line "subscription help" and I'll jump in onto that thread and help you out directly there. And that goes for anybody who's having

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  any trouble accessing their subscriber benefits. Just shoot me an email and we'll help you get sorted out. We want you to enjoy your subscription and get those benefits. So if you need help, shoot me an email and I will do my best to help.

• 24:06Jake Brennan?

  All right. Thanks, Matt. Appreciate that. I know Mike appreciates that as well. Andrew Carpenter writes in, "Hey, man, I love the show. I was thinking an episode of Elliot Smith would be interesting. Elliot was a musical genius and the tragic way he died was awful. His music is important and the swirl of controversy surrounding his untimely death exists. Thank you." Well, Andrew, you know, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago in the exclusive section of the after party, Zeth and I, we did a pretty deep dive. And well, we kind of scratched the surface in our conversation in the after party. We decided we wanted to tell this story. Okay. Then I went into the research as though I was going to write this story. And it's this seldom happens to me, man. I cannot get to the truth

• 24:48Jake Brennan?

  of this. I don't know what the truth is, and I don't know how to tell the story. And it's really frustrating, because there's a lot of people out there who were friends with Elliot Smith, and you know, they're relatively my age, a little bit older. And you want to be respectful to his memory, to his legacy. It just feels too raw. It feels too soon, and it feels too murky. And I just cannot get to the bottom of it. And I, after researching it for a week, I also felt completely gross and disgusting and depressed. And I just decided I called Zeth and I was like, dude, I don't, I don't think I want

• 25:30Jake Brennan?

  to do this. I just don't think I want to do it. Not right now, Andrew, perhaps another time in the future for Mr. Elliot Smith. All right, Discos, you know how to hit me up, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text at disgracelandpod on the socials, [email protected] if you want to email me. Next up, coming up tomorrow in the rewind slot is our, we're moving in right into Christmas, right into the Christmas season after Thanksgiving with our Merle Haggard episode. And then next week, the next new full episode that we're doing is part two of our Merle Haggard story, which is fucking bananas. Here's the title, Surviving Christmas: Cosmic American Aliens and Cocaine Clarity.

• 26:14Jake Brennan?

  Merle got weird. The older he got, he got weird in the best possible way. And you're gonna hear all about it. And when you're listening, you know, Merle has a voice that to me is just, it just stops me in my tracks and it grabs me by the shoulders and it goes, look dude, you're about to hear something incredible. So just, you know, focus on this right now. That's how powerful that dude's voice is. He might be my, I don't know, I can't decide. Is it, is it Merle or is it, is it George Jones? They both sing in a way that is, um, it's like listening to Jimi Hendrix or Robert Johnson play guitar. You're like, I don't, I don't, I have such a deep appreciation for this and I don't,

• 26:56Jake Brennan?

  I don't necessarily, like when Jimi Hendrix is playing blues, it's so deceptively simple. I don't understand how he's doing it. I really don't. Um, anyhow, I want you to be listening to these, this Merle Haggard part two episode and just let me know, of all the great country singers, Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, George Jones, take your pick, Morgan Wallen, George Strait, I'm trying to think of another modern one, Chris Stapleton, I guess. Who has the voice that just, just owns you when you hear it? Who is your favorite country singer? Because country singing is a distinct thing. It is different from, clearly

• 27:40Jake Brennan?

  different from rock and roll singing. It's so cool. It's so badass. It's so adult. I just love it. And, you know, I'm going to try and think through my, my favorite here. Is it Merle? Is it George? I'm going to listen to a bunch over the weekend. Try to make a decision and you let me know when you're listening to the Merle Haggard part two episode, our new episode on Merle Haggard, who your favorite country singer is. Call me 617-906-6638. Leave a voicemail. Send me a text. Hit me at disgracelandpod on the socials, [email protected]. I'll be back right after this.

• 28:21Speaker 01

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• 28:51Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 29:21Speaker 05

  I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I spoke with Dr. Laura Jayhai of Cleveland Clinic about how advanced computing is helping shorten the path from medical discovery to treatment. The moment that there is a compound that someone in a lab thinks it would be effective to treat a certain disease, it takes about 10 to 13 years from that moment to when that drug is on a shelf for a patient. A big part of that gap could be computationally solved. Better simulation of compounds, designing drug trials that are more efficient, that would finish faster.

• 30:00Speaker 05

  That was the motivation to bring computational tools and technology closer to biomedical researchers. Learn more about how Cleveland Clinic and IBM are using AI and quantum computing to revolutionize biomedical research at ibm.com/smarttalks.

• 30:29Jake Brennan?

  Let's do some quick recommendations here. Started this last week, this whole one book, one record, one documentary. And we talked a lot about Scorsese last week. We're going to continue doing that as we close the book, our Disgraceland book on Scorsese and the band this week. Last week I recommended Made Men. This is a book on the making of Goodfellas. This week I'm recommending actually two more Scorsese books. I wanted to, I only wanted to recommend this one here, which is the main one. It's called A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies by Martin Scorsese and Michael Henry Wilson. And this book is fantastic. It's Scorsese taking you through the history of film, you know, exactly like it says. And it's based on, I guess, a documentary that came out that I'd never

• 31:11Jake Brennan?

  seen and I can't really find. And it's fantastic because it's Scorsese giving you his personal view on, on sort of all the great genres of filmmaking from the beginning of filmmaking, from the silent era, all the way through the huge, you know, even like, you know, musicals and big studio films, like, you know, big westerns and the Warner Brothers gangster movies, just fantastic stuff. And it goes, goes pretty deep. Talks about his favorite directors as well. It's just, it's a, it's a really cool way to bone up on your film history if you're interested in that sort of thing. And I can't recommend it

• 31:55Jake Brennan?

  high enough, highly enough. Again, A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies. Second book, I know I'm always supposed to do one, but if you watched Mr. Scorsese on Apple Podcasts and you were like, I need more, then this is the book you need. Scorsese on Scorsese. It's a book of interviews that Scorsese did. And it goes up and until, I think the early 90s. Yeah. Up and until Goodfellas. And it's, it's really an expansion. You can tell that this book is the spine of that Scorsese doc that just came out on Apple. So if you want a little bit more, you'll get a little bit more with Scorsese on Scorsese. So that's, uh, those are the books I'm recommending.

• 32:38Jake Brennan?

  The record, um, you know, no one talks about before the flood, Bob Dylan and the band from 1974, a live album. No one talks about this album enough and it's just, it's scorching. These guys are, they're, they're on fire and, uh, I love this album. It's kind of an overlooked, overlooked piece from Dylan's catalog and the band is, uh, really pushing Bob pretty damn hard on this record. It's fantastic. Again, before the flood, Bob Dylan and the band, 1974. That's my one record recommendation, my one documentary recommendation, American Boy, Martin Scorsese, 1978 documentary on his buddy, Stephen Prince, who plays, uh, Easy Andy in Taxi Driver, The Gun Dealer. And Stephen Prince has this incredible history, uh, in, in New York arts and

• 33:23Jake Brennan?

  culture. And he's a heroin addict. He tells some amazing stories, just, you know, he's, I believe he's in Scorsese's Hollywood apartment in the late seventies. And this is where that, um, wild, uh, scene from Pulp Fiction comes where, when Uma Thurman overdoses and John Travolta has to, uh, uh, inject her through the sternum with that, uh, hypodermic needle and the adrenaline. It actually comes from a story that Stephen Prince, that happened to Stephen Prince. And it's in this documentary called American Boy by Martin Scorsese from 1978. So there you have it. One book, one record, one doc. Those are my recommendations. Check those out if you haven't

• 34:04Jake Brennan?

  already. If you've got any recs for me, hit me up, 617-906-6638. Real quick, speaking of films, speaking of music, speaking of Scorsese, Zeth and I have a new video podcast called This Film Should Be Played Loud that is available exclusively to our All Access members. It's going to be released on December 10th and, uh, you're gonna love it. It's my two favorite things. It's my peanut butter in my chocolate. It is the convergence of music and film. It's a video podcast about great movies and the great music that makes them.

• 34:43Jake Brennan?

  Choice. Okay. The first, every episode's going to be on a different movie. First one we're doing is on Goodfellas. That's a good way to come out of the gates. And again, that's coming on December 10th. And to get that podcast every single month, you're going to have to become an all access member. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. All right, Matt, give me the buzzer beater because right now this is the 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds and it is once again sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new pumpkin spice flavor, your favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a pumpkin spice five hour energy shot, available online at fivehourenergy.com or Amazon. Now, listen, I come from a family of gamblers. On my mother's side, the big thing we bet on is football, professional football.

• 35:28Jake Brennan?

  We've been doing this literally for as long as I can remember. It started out with football cards, not the kind you buy in the package with bubble gum, but the kind you get from a bookie, has all the, the games on it, the point spreads, you get to pick six, you get to win every single one of them, then win a big pile of money. Now, listen, also, not just the football cards, okay? Calling in bets to the local bookie, which I used to do as a 10 year old with my stepfather. I had my own code and everything. Hey, this is R162, give me the pass for the points. Dallas minus three, Cleveland plus two. I never knew why my stepfather had me calling the bets. I think it got passed off as being cute, but you know, I think what was really going on was me, my, my stepdad needed another voice to lay money on separate teams to cover losses on his other bets. I don't know. I didn't ask. I'm not sure he told me the truth anyhow.

• 36:11Jake Brennan?

  Now, nowadays, we bet with just the football cards. And no, it's not through an app. And yes, it's, you know, done in an old school kind of way, if you know what I'm saying. True to our family's form, my seven year old plays the cards on Sunday too. Willie the Greek, that's what they've been calling him. He's come closer to winning the pot on Sunday than I have. Anyway, I have an attitude toward gambling that is akin to, I guess, how the French think about kids drinking wine. Expose them young, de-stigmatize it, make it casual, and they will likely not abuse it. That's how it worked for me anyways with the gambling, not with the drinking. Anyway, my family, however, has officially taken it too far. My youngest sister is about to have a baby next month and her, it's her first, and yes, there is.

• 36:52Jake Brennan?

  Pool. We've got squares. Top row for the day's born. Side row is for the minute of birth. It's insane. Winner gets 500 bucks and my newborn nephew will get 500 as well. I swear to God, this is true. Is this too far? I feel like it's too far. I feel like it's like betting on the weather. Have we jumped some figurative shark with our gambling? I think we have. Do I really care though? No, I don't. Do I want to complain about it in the sports rant? Kinda. Are the Pats gonna win on Monday night against the Giants? You bet your ass they are. But I have to check with my seven year old to see if they're gonna cover the spread. Matt, don't tell me how I did. I know I went too long, but I don't care. Alright, that was the sports rant, sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new pumpkin spice flavor. These new pumpkin spice five hour energy shots are fall in a bottle and they bring that classic pumpkin spice flavor that we all know and love. Our favorite fall

• 37:36Jake Brennan?

  drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a pumpkin spice five hour energy shot, available online at fivehourenergy.com or Amazon. Now, with our band episode this week, we released our new mini episode for exclusive members, entitled, "Go Deeper: Dead Band Members in a Box and Bootleg Basement Tapes." Matt, give the people a little taste of what they're missing if they're not signed up for all access. Go ahead.

• 38:32Jake Brennan?

  The road was rough. You never knew what you'd find out there. Five guys split between two station wagons, going from town to town, gig to gig, living hand to mouth. Sometimes the place was packed, the crowd was into it, and thus making it easier to endure another late night staring at that long white line while tearing ass through the darkness in one of those station wagons. Some nights, however, you played to just three people, including the bartender. And some nights, you got stiff by the no bullshit having club owner who wasn't afraid to use a loaded pistol in his hand to help drive home the fact that you weren't getting paid.

• 39:12Jake Brennan?

  And there were the hangers-on, the dealers, the dopers, the jealous husband who didn't like the way he looked at his wife. And for all of these reasons, a traveling band has to be tight. If you're on the road, you have to have your band members' backs. And long ago, back before resentment, jealousy, and creative differences tore them apart, the band took that unspoken rule one step further. Robbie Robertson, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, Garth Hudson, and Levon Helm had a pact. And the pact was this: If one of them died out there on the road, victim of too many pills, or too much drink, maybe even one of those jealous

• 39:57Jake Brennan?

  husbands, then the other guys would put his dead body on ice, stuff him back in the station wagon with the instruments, and haul his ass back to Woodstock, New York, where they were living, before the authorities caught on. By 1967, however, after nearly a decade of life on the road, the band were, at long last, taking a break. Because their boss, Bob Dylan, was taking a break. And it turns out, it wasn't their bodies and reputations they had to worry about protecting anymore. Their own music would soon need guarding. And that's where all the trouble started. Let me explain.

• 40:39Jake Brennan?

  All right, like I said, that is a clip from our new mini-episode. Mini-episodes come out, we're gonna do a three or four of these a month. A little way to go deeper into the subject that we've been covering that week. And again, you can only get it through All Access. You get to become an All Access member. Go to disgracysampod.com. You're gonna get exclusive content, like the mini-episode. You're gonna get ad-free listening. You're also gonna get exclusive content, like this little bit of the after-party that we're gonna get into, on the greatest concert films of all time, from our perspective, mine and Zeth's. And also, some overlooked gems, that we hope shine a light on some

• 41:20Jake Brennan?

  films you might not have seen, some great ones, from master musicians, huge artists, and also some artists who are kind of flying under the radar, but just, you know, made great concert films. That is Zeth Lundie, Dr. Zeth Lundie to you and I in the All-Access section of the Afterparty.

• 41:53Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys. Thanks for joining me for another episode of the Afterparty. Earlier, we talked about so many artists, but earlier in the B Block here, we talked about Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Van Morrison. We have episodes on all those guys, as well as a ton of others, over 250 episodes in our archive. And Matt is going to put the episode information in the show notes for Dylan Clapton and Van Morrison, and you'll be able to easily navigate to those who want to check those out. All right, let's recap. Number one, this week's full episode, The Band and the Last Waltz. That is available for you right now. Go check that out if you haven't already. Number two, our new mini-episode for All-Access members on the death pact that the band had. That's available as well. You're going to be an

• 42:34Jake Brennan?

  All-Access member. Sign up at disgracentpod.com. Number three, rewind episode on Merle Haggard, kicking off the Christmas season. That's coming up next. And number four, next week comes our Part Two Merle Haggard episode. That's brand new. That's going to hit you. It's going to hit you right where you need it to hit you. Number five, that's going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywoodland, so make sure you're subscribed over there. 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or whatever the hell else you want to talk about. And remember, Discos, this isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music books, records, and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do, and

• 43:15Jake Brennan?

  well, that's a disgrace. All right, okey dokey, Mr. Muskogee. On Thanksgiving Day, November 25, 1976, the day the band and Martin Scorsese filmed the greatest concert film of all time, The Last Waltz. This is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, "Tonight's the Night, Gonna Be Alright", Rod Stewart, last week, won. Weeks on chart, nine.

• 43:41Jake Brennan?

  Number two, The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, Gordon Lightfoot, last week, two. Weeks on chart, fourteen. Peak position, two. Number three, Love So Right, VG's, last week, three. Weeks on chart, eleven. Peak position, three. Number four, Muskrat Love, Captain and Sneak, last week, four. Weeks on chart, ten. Peak position, four. Number five, The Rubber Band Man, The Spinners, last week, six. Weeks on chart, twelve.

• 44:28Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it. Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyages. Back by popular demand, this five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20th, 2027 to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of Disgrace Land along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners Wisecrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes

• 45:11Jake Brennan?

  storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime to secure your spot. I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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