Bonus Episode - Great Girl Groups au Go Go

This week in the After Party, Jake ponders the greatest girl groups of all time and wonders about our AI-driven future if AI doesn't even have the Go-Gos on its radar as one of the all time great girl groups. Next week, we're presenting our episode on Marilyn Manson, and Jake wants to know: Who was the most subversive artist of the 1990s? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ mailto:[email protected], or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 93 - Taylor Swift https://www.disgracelandpod.com/093/taylor-swift Episode 105 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/105/britney-spears-pt-1 and 106 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/106/britney-spears-pt-2 - Britney Spears Episode 40 - Motown Records To hear an extended version of the After Party and unlock access to a monthly exclusive episode and ad free listening, become a Disgraceland All Access member at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠disgracelandpod.com/membership.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.disgracelandpod.com/merch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠GET THE NEWSLETTER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://mailchi.mp/doubleelvis/disgraceland-email-newsletter Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/disgracelandpod/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@disgracelandpod ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/disgracelandpod (formerly Twitter) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:16Jake Brennan?

  Hey Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:43Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the afterparty. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's episode's subject, The Go-Go's. We're previewing the coming Marilyn Manson episode, getting into some recommendations and some subversive 90s talk, and we go through your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:28Jake Brennan?

  All right, The Go-Go's, this week's full episode's subject of DisgraceLand, they did something that no one has ever done before. They were the first group of all female musicians to have a number one album of songs that they wrote themselves. And that's noteworthy, as we discussed in the episode, because at the beginning of their career, they were told by music industry insiders, namely record executives, that they couldn't expect to write their own songs and have a hit album. But that's exactly what they did. So the obvious question then is, are The Go-Go's the greatest group of female musicians in pop music history? Now, I both love and hate these big dumb questions. I love them because as dumb as they are, they force us to have a conversation about things.

• 4:12Jake Brennan?

  I dislike them immensely because they're so basic and they are, they're so limiting. They eliminate any nuance. And, and that can be a drag. But hey, we do the nuance thing in the full episode. For these after parties, let's just get, let's get the conversation going. To do that, we need to say the obvious thing here, which is that there are plenty of women who have had number one albums. Okay. Taylor Swift has 14 number one albums for God's sake, but there's also Madonna, Barbra Streisand, there's others. Now Taylor and Madonna relied on co-writers for the songs on their number one albums. Okay. I'm not saying that Taylor Swift doesn't write her own songs. Don't hear this the wrong way. She does write her own songs.

• 4:55Jake Brennan?

  She just writes them with Jack Antonoff and other people. Okay. Other people have a hand in it. That wasn't the case with the Go-Go's. They wrote their own songs as the band members of their band. Okay. Madonna, same thing. First album, I don't think she wrote anything on it. Then she got some success. She co-wrote with other musicians, True Blue in particular, huge album for her, number one. I think they're all co-writes on that. Um, Barbra Streisand, to my knowledge, didn't write any of the songs on her number ones. I did a little bit of researching to this and Britney, Beyonce, Janet Jackson, it's not like they were holed up in a dingy rehearsal space, writing their own tunes. Okay. They had writers and/or co-writers crafting

• 5:40Jake Brennan?

  their hits as well. And again, there are zero girl groups. Everyone I just talked about was a solo artist. There are zero girl groups with number one albums. Who wrote their own songs? Diana Ross and the Supremes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Dixie Chicks or the Chicks, I'm sorry Spice Girls, TLC, Danity Kane, Blackpink, none of you did what the Go-Go's did to achieve your number one albums. And that is write your own tunes. All right. It's such a singular achievement that I can't even find a proper list from Rolling Stone, the magazine of record when it comes to stupid lists. I can't even find a real list of greatest girl groups of all

• 6:23Jake Brennan?

  time from fricking Rolling Stone. So Billboard has a list, but it's paywalled and I'm not paying for it. US Weekly has a list, but it isn't ranked, which doesn't do as much good. So let's see what the robots have to say. All right. Google's AI, their Gemini product, when prompted with the question, who are the greatest girl groups of all time? Gemini answers with the following. The Supremes, Spice Girls, Destiny's Child are widely considered the greatest girl groups of all time. Now, when I asked ChatGPT the same thing, ChatGPT gives me the following answer and ranked list. So here's the answer. Again, the question is, who are the greatest girl groups of all time?

• 7:08Jake Brennan?

  ChatGPT, the artificial intelligence, says the best girl groups of all time can vary depending on criteria like commercial success, cultural impact, critical acclaim, or fan-based devotion. Here's a comprehensive list that includes influential and successful girl groups from various genres and eras. All right, so here's the ranked list in reverse order from ChatGPT. Number 10, Brownstone, I've never heard of them. Number nine, the Ronettes. All right, I get that. Eight, En Vogue, I get that. The Supremes are at seven, yep. Six is Little Mix, a group I've never heard of. Five, Girls' Generation, that's K-pop that I've never heard of. Blackpink is at number four. I believe Blackpink is the woman from White Lotus.

• 7:52Jake Brennan?

  Three, Destiny's Child. Two, TLC. And number one, Spice Girls. That is a tough list for a number of reasons. I'm not even gonna get into it. I mean, Ronettes are way too low. That's all I'll say. Okay, so the ChatGPT robot included other lists as well, unprompted, because ChatGPT does right by me. Okay, I guess. Let's see, ChatGPT, the good little robot, gave me, what are the, what are, okay, critically acclaimed and culturally important. Okay, so that's this list here. Four of the groups on that list, sorry, four of the groups on the critically acclaimed and culturally important list are groups that I just,

• 8:37Jake Brennan?

  that were in the top 10. So I'm not gonna get into that. And then gives me a list of underrated and cult favorites. And when I saw that as the heading, as the headline, I thought, okay, here we go. This is where the Go-Go's are gonna end up. So here's the list. Number five on the list of best underrated and cult favorite girl groups. Number five, The Bangles. Number four, SWV. Number three, All Saints. Number two, Sugar Babes. And number one, Danity Kane. The Go-Go's are nowhere to be found on any of these lists, which makes zero sense. Zero. The Go-Go's were not the Runaways. The Go-Go's were not even the frickin' Bangles. They were

• 9:19Jake Brennan?

  so much more. It's beyond discouraging that AI, two different AI applications, mind you, it's beyond discouraging that AI doesn't recognize this band. It's alarming, actually. Now, you might be shaking your head, saying, well, it's just AI. Who gives a shit about AI? And I would say, yeah, okay, but artificial intelligence is a reflection of the actual intelligence that is currently on the internet. Okay? Or I would say, the lack of intelligence that is currently on the internet. How the girl group that wrote their own songs and had the first and the only number one record in history of pop music that were not one-hit wonders, who have follow-up hits, a significant career, significant post-careers for its

• 10:04Jake Brennan?

  members, was just recently inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and is still performing on relevant bills with other relevant artists, how they're not number one on this list, never mind just completely excluded from these lists, is beyond me. It's like, the Go-Go's have descended back into subterranean punk rock obscurity as it concerns the mainstream, the masses. This should not be taken lightly. AI may not take my job as a guy who writes about music, but it's going to be the first veil of history. It's gonna be the source that most people in the future reference first. When they're looking for quick facts and quick views into the past and the fact

• 10:48Jake Brennan?

  that the Go-Go's aren't even mentioned is a freaking disgrace. Okay? I feel like Belinda Carlisle pissed off some robots or something. I have no idea what's going on here. It makes no sense. Maybe I'm in the minority. Maybe the Go-Go's weren't that good. Maybe the Go-Go's weren't that significant. Maybe because they come from punk rock, I elevate them somewhat in my mind for some reason, but I don't think so. I mean, those, those songs were ubiquitous. They were everywhere. They were stone cold hits. They're still being played. I, I just cannot get with the fact that they're not recognized here. It doesn't make any sense. And if you want a deeper look into why I feel this way, obviously, check out this week's full episode. We just released it a couple of days ago and we're going to find out where you guys

• 11:31Jake Brennan?

  stand on this and what you guys think and who you think the greatest girl groups are of all time. When we get into your voicemails and your texts and your DMs in a bit, but before that, I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you guys about the upcoming rewind episode that's hitting your feeds after this one. That episode is on Madonna and it's fricking awesome. And in it, I discuss some of the wilder moments in Madonna's career, of course, but I also talk about one of my favorite songs of all time, a Madonna song, but a song Madonna did not write, a song called Borderline. And it features one of the coolest music cues that we've ever created in Disgrace End. So check that episode out. It's coming your way next in your feed for some throwback Disgrace End vibes. And next week on Tuesday, per your request, okay? It's our brand new

• 12:12Jake Brennan?

  episode on Marilyn Manson and oh, the inhumanity, what this guy did, what this guy admitted to doing, the staggering level of rock star hubris and depravity. This episode is going to give the Gigi Allen episode from our archive a run for its money. All right. And when you're listening to this episode, I want you guys to be thinking about who the most subversive artist of the 1990s was. Was it Marilyn Manson? Was it Gigi Allen? Was it Madonna? Was it someone else? Let me know. I'm gonna be talking a little bit more about this in the bonus section of this after party today, 617-906-6638. Leave me a voicemail. Send me a text on your thoughts on Marilyn Manson, the subversiveness of the 1990s.

• 12:53Jake Brennan?

  Manson as an artist, was he the most subversive artist of the 90s? 617-906-6638 voicemail and text, I want to know. Hit me up, I'll respond in next week's after-party episode. You may hear your own voicemail, or you may hear me read your text right here next week. I'll be back in a minute after this short break with your answers to last week's questions. Your voicemails, your texts, your emails.

• 13:26Jake Brennan?

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• 14:39Speaker 01

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• 15:29Jake Brennan?

  All right, we're back. Apple Podcast listeners, make sure you get those auto downloads turned on. All right. Get them on, get them on, get them on, bang a gong. Let's make sure you get all episodes of DisgraceLand. 617-906-6638. You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the same one I'm in every week. It's the one across the hall, hanging on the telephone. You guys want to send me a voicemail, want to send me a text, get at me. 617-906-6638. Just like Tony from the 206.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Jake, what's happening, brother? It's Tony from the 206. I know it's been a minute since I've talked to you. To answer your question on who the greatest girl group is, the Go-Gos. I'd definitely say the Go-Gos, but I also say the Bangles. I always thought the two of them would make for an interesting versus battle. If you remember the versus from the lockdown era, I always thought the two of them going head to head over who had the better songs would be interesting. So much love from the 206 and I'll holler at you later. Peace.

• 16:22Jake Brennan?

  Tony in the 206, thanks for the call, my man. I get the Bangles love. I do. I don't, I just don't rank them as high as the Go-Gos. For various reasons, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but mainly it's, it's just the hits. The hits are stronger and the Go-Gos came first as well. You got to give them some credit for that. Johnny Vinyl from the 617, what's up, brother? Let's hear what Johnny's got to say.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Hey, what's up, Jake? It's Johnny Vinyl answering the question of the week, who's the best all-girl band? So I have to say the Runaways have a slight edge over the Go-Gos. And then the Go-Gos set the stage for the Bangles. So I would say it goes in that order. Throw in there for honorable mention, Vixen. Absolutely.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  For the 90s, you have to pick L7. And another honorable mention is the band Veruca Salt, where two out of the four members were the lead singers, guitarists, and wrote all songs. Uh, and they were amazing in the 90s. So that's your lineup right there. You know, I can't stick to just one, but um, great episode of The Go-Go's had me laughing with the, the whole situation of Ozzy kicking, uh, I forget what her name is, but uh, kicking her out of the hotel room. You have to be pretty fucked up to uh, have Ozzy kick you out. Anyway, brother, have a good one.

• 17:39Jake Brennan?

  Johnny, appreciate the voicemail as always. Great list and you're, you're kind of throwing what I just said back in my face. You're putting the runaways at number one because they came before The Go-Go's. And um, yeah, I get how you can do that. They did not have the hits that The Go-Go's had, obviously. And they, neither did they write their own songs. I don't believe, I think it was all Kim Fowley, right? Um, but I get it. And I love how you mentioned L7. No one's brought them up yet to me. Uh, actually someone on, on Instagram did, but I love that we got it in voicemail form here. And Veruca Salt as well. Huge, great call. Appreciate you, my man. 617-906-6638. You guys want to send me a voicemail? Next week's question of the week is going to be on the 90s artists. Who were the most subversive? Is it Marilyn Manson?

• 18:23Jake Brennan?

  Is it somebody else? Was it Gigi Allen? Gigi Allen died in 1993. So I don't know that we can say that. But the 617 here writes in, hey, Gigi Allen episode. You mentioned the pit in Harvard Square. It's gone now, which pisses me off, but it hadn't been the same since the early 2000s. However, it was a special place for me from about 1987 to 1992. You and me both. I didn't have any friends in the pit because I wasn't from Boston, but I was hanging out there on weekends. My dad lived in the city. I was from the burbs with my mom. And I would come in, I'd go to Newbury Comics. I'd uh, I'd get some pizza in the mall there. Forget the name of that place. Still smell that pizza though. Um, and yeah, I'd go hang out in the pit. And uh, you know, I'd hope to not get beat up by the skinheads. And I'd just sort of gaze upon the punk rockers and think,

• 19:07Jake Brennan?

  you know, what the hell are these fucking gutter punk kids all about as well? It's a whole thing, man. And 617, we probably cross paths. 828 texts in, hey, just finishing up the Sign of the Times bonus episode and thought I'd throw you some PNC park picks. I gotta love Pittsburgh sports fans. I gotta, I gotta cut this, this texter off for a minute here. You know, I, I mentioned a Pittsburgh Pirates hat once, maybe twice, and the, the Pittsburgh fans come out of the woodwork. It's, I can't tell you how many, how many texts I've got and voicemails from Pittsburgh and Instagram messages. Just Pittsburgh sports fans, maybe Pirates fans, just looking to talk. You know what it reminds me? It reminds me of my dog Dusty who like, you know, someone says the

• 19:51Jake Brennan?

  word walk and she comes, I said, someone say walk? Someone say walk? You know, it's like you mentioned the Pirates. It's like Pirates? You guys want to talk about the Pirates? That's, that's the Pittsburgh fans. I love it. And this one sends in these, I'll read the rest of the text. These pictures are probably mostly from Yankees visits since I'm a transplanted Connecticut native. Lee, I appreciate the texts and you have a beautiful ballpark there in Pittsburgh. Gorgeous. Someday I hope to visit. Thank you. 303 writes in, hey, if you need research help with hair bands, that's my jam. I read Circus and Hit Parade or magazines cover to cover every month for almost a decade, starting in the eighties. Listen, 303, appreciate you. I might take you up on your offer at some point.

• 20:34Jake Brennan?

  I just found out that the singer for Warrant died. Is that true? Is that true?

• 20:39Jake Brennan?

  And if you guys could have one episode on one hair band, who would it be? Let's, let's, let's make a quick little, a quick little rundown here. Poison. I'm thinking, these are all bands I despise, by the way. Okay. No, no shade. If you like them, I get it. Now, I guess the older I get, a Poison song comes on, I have some nostalgia for it. But let's just go, I'm excluding Motley Crue. Let's just go five hair bands. You can get one episode on them. Poison, Skid Row, Warrant.

• 21:10Jake Brennan?

  Winger and then, I don't know, dealer's choice for number five. I don't know if it's Faster Pussycat, Cinderella. Who are we talking about? I can do one. Now, don't just be selfish and be like, I like that band, therefore it's number one. Come at me, voicemail, 617-906-66638. Text. Come at me with what you think will make the best hair metal episode. Okay. Which now, to your point 303, I was not, I was reading Hip Perator and Circus, but I was skipping those articles and I definitely wasn't putting Janie Lane up on my wall. No shade if you were, but you know, some of you know way better than I, the

• 21:53Jake Brennan?

  history of these bands, these hair metal bands. So I want the one, I want the, I want the ones with the most criminality in their background. Is it Skid Row? Is it? Is it? I don't think it is. Is it Poison? I don't think it is. Again, Motley Crue does not count. We have a new episode of Nikki Sixx coming your way. And we of course have an episode on Motley Crue. So we're gonna have two. So there you go. But get at me, hair, hair metal fans. Let me know. 302 writes in, as a teenager in the eighties and the nineties, I grew up with a mom that was hyper concerned about what neighbors thought. This banger was so important to me. And that banger is Salt and Pepper's None of Your Business. And this is on the heels of the Sign of the Times episode that we did on Prince, where we were talking about which artists best represented their generation.

• 22:37Jake Brennan?

  And the 302 wrote in ahead of that text, I'm so mad at myself for not mentioning TLC and Salt and Pepper in the Sign of the Times conversation. Both bands were huge in making a statement about feminism and safe sex during the AIDS epidemic. And you're absolutely right, they were, and they were females. So it's apropos of our conversation right now this week, as well as our conversation last week. Thank you, 302, for tying it all together. You guys are the best listeners. Appreciate you. 617-906-66638. Voicemail and text. You want to get at me at DisgraceLandPod on the socials. You want to hit me there. Paul over in the UK on Facebook writes, hey, it's Paul from the Plus 44s. That's the UK, in case that's lost in translation.

• 23:19Jake Brennan?

  Working my way back through your amazing back catalog and am still stuck in the past somewhere in 2023 when you're asking for recommendations. Don't worry, Paul. We were asking for recommendations last week as well. We do it from time to time. Recommendations on stories to cover and I thought to cast an eye to the future and see if you've covered Wales' very own Manic Street Preachers and was surprised to see that you hadn't. Definitely something there regarding Richie's disappearance. Surely no worries if not. I'll still continue to enjoy what you do offer. Many thanks, my good sir. Cheerio and toodle pip. Paul, he really did write Cheerio and Toodle Pip. Paul, Richie Edwards' disappearance,

• 24:00Jake Brennan?

  singer of Manic Street Preachers. I looked into this pretty significantly a bunch of years ago. It was the subject that Payne, Lindsay and I were going to cover before we get into the Dead and Gone podcast and we just could not come up with enough information. There's really not a lot of information out there. So it's a tough subject to cover. But that doesn't stop me in the past. I think we could do one episode for sure. And Paul, we will probably get into that sometime in the near future. Okay. So by the time you catch up, hopefully that'll be sitting in your RSS feed. Thanks, Paul. At DisgraceantPod on Facebook, X and on Twitter. You guys want to get at me about any subject? That's where

• 24:42Jake Brennan?

  you can do it. It can be anything music related. It can be anything podcast related. It can be anything related to the books that we discuss here. It can be anything related to the sports that we sometimes very seldomly discuss in these little 30 second sports rants that I've been doing. And I have to just say here to all my Pirates fans out there, I feel you. I feel like we're becoming one of you as Boston fans. We are melding. I say that because the Red Sox, it's not even June and the Red Sox are dead. We need to lay the Red Sox out, lay them out down to McNally's funeral home, head over to the old timers for a shot of Jameson, a pint of Guinness, because the Red Sox are dead as a doornail. They're what, two, three games under 500 at this point, seven-ish games out of first

• 25:23Jake Brennan?

  in a not so great division. It's time for me, I think, to put my Mets hat on and hope for a sub. ... series in October and come at the Yankees that way. This is embarrassing. They shouldn't be this bad, the Red Sox. They should not be this bad. I don't care that Bregman's hurt. I don't care that Castis is hurt. They have the horses. They're not playing them. And the ones they are playing are sucking. There. I don't know what's up. It's just management, coaching, playing. It's everything. It's fucking awful. Okay, I can't stand it. I can't stand that we have a payroll as high as we have and we are not in contention. I can't stand that we have an iconic team, an iconic ballpark, the best fans in sports, and we are out of contention.

• 26:08Jake Brennan?

  It's not acceptable. I'll be back in a flash with your emails in the Hollywood Land Minute.

• 26:21Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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• 27:22Speaker 07

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 27:47Speaker 07

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 27:58Speaker 07

  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At The Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At The Table and start listening on the free iHeart radio app today.

• 28:25Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back and you know what time it is. It's time for the Hollywood Land Minute, brought to you by the Hollywood Land Podcast. Don't know what the Hollywood Land Podcast is? Well, the Hollywood Land Podcast is hosted by yours truly, where every week I tell you a story from the annex of Hollywood and true crime. And right now, there are over 40 episodes waiting for you to binge. Episodes on James Dean, Danny Trejo, Charlie Sheen, David Lynch, John Waters, Meryl Monroe, Drew Barrymore, Steve McQueen, and most recently on Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. Here's a clip.

• 28:52Jake Brennan?

  Dwayne Johnson had wrestling in his blood. His father, Rocky Johnson, was the first black wrestler to win the Georgia Heavyweight Championship. Now, he was working some West Coast gigs as the tag team partner of Samoan wrestler Peter Mavia. Rocky Johnson had trained as a boxer, sparring with guys like George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, but he gained some popularity in wrestling, working the regional circuits in the late 1960s. When Rocky got to town, jet lagged from the flight from Japan, Peter Mavia invited him to crash at his house. And they were friendly, but they weren't friends. Wrestling was a business. You didn't let things get personal. The illusion that it was all real was part of it. And so was

• 29:34Jake Brennan?

  the way a group of wrestlers would barnstorm a region for a few weeks before moving on. A wrestler couldn't be seen at the diner with the guy who was going to knock the shit out of that night. The good guy, aka The Face, didn't pal around with the bad guy, aka The Heel. For Peter Mavia, it was more than that. Guys in the business had problems: drinking, drugs, violence. He was no saint himself. Normal folks didn't get into wrestling. So there weren't many wrestlers that were normal, therefore there weren't many wrestlers that Peter Mavia wanted to hang around with. And there certainly weren't many he wanted hanging around his daughter. So when Rocky Johnson started flirting with Peter Mavia's daughter, Peter did his best to shut it down. Unfortunately, this match was scripted.

• 30:20Jake Brennan?

  They fell in love and ran off to get married without my via's blessing. Two years later, in time to meet his grandson, little Dwayne, Peter my via admitted defeat. His daughter had married a wrestler.

• 30:36Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, make sure you are subscribed to the Hollywood land podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Next week, we've got an episode on fatty arab buckle, one of the biggest scandals and trials in Hollywood history, the crime of the century before OJ Simpson, before Sean Diddy Combs. Sean Diddy Combs, why are you handing out ecstasy shaped like Barack Obama? What's up with that disgraceland pod at gmail.com? You want to get at me in the email format. I unleashed a dragon last week when I brought up fish. The fish fans are real. The fish fans are plentiful and the fish fans are full throated. Now, there will be a fish episode and I will bring love and intention to the creation of

• 31:19Jake Brennan?

  that episode and it will come within this calendar year. Fish fans, I have heard you speak. I have heard you roar. This email comes from Lacy McNary and I'm reading it because it is just apropos of what we're doing right now. Subject fish message. Hey Jake, it's Lacy from the 502. Just heard your bonus episode where you talked about fish and how you love the who you may be interested to know that fish covered the whole quadrophenia album at their Halloween show in Chicago back in the day. I was there and I had a blast. Here's the link. Lacy, appreciate the email. I did not know that. And I believe I said that I, you know, I love the who now. It was a long road getting to love the who I didn't

• 32:00Jake Brennan?

  grow up loving the who like I didn't grow up loving the fish. And I like that the fish, I'm going to call him the fish from now on. I hope you don't mind. I like that the fish covered quadrophenia. I think that's an incredible achievement and I'd actually be interested in seeing what that looks like. So perhaps I'll watch it, appreciate it and maybe, maybe that'll end it end up in the episode, the episode on fish, excuse me, on the fish that we are going to produce. It's a, it's way more criminal than I, than I could have hoped for. I'm pretty stoked about it. And I say all this because we just, and I read this email in particular because just yesterday I recorded. A new episode on The Who on the Riverfront Colosseum tragedy from the early 80s,

• 32:45Jake Brennan?

  where 11 people died at a Who concert. And it's a pretty harrowing story, and I can't wait for you guys to hear it. It is coming up in a couple of weeks. So you have that to look forward to. In addition to the fish, the fish, the, the fish episode. Did I say that right? Okay. Reviews, I often get asked, hey, how can I support the show? You know, I'm beating the dead horse when I tell you, because you already know, leave a review on Apple Podcasts, leave a review on Spotify. Let the world know how much you love DisgraceLand, and that'll help the algorithm feed DisgraceLand to other potential listeners. And every week, I go, I go on these apps and I pull up your reviews and I read them here. And if you hear yours read, hit me and I will respond in time and I will, I will get in touch and I'll get

• 33:28Jake Brennan?

  you some free merch. Okay. Only for the reviews that I read here, I read two a week, one on Apple, one on Spotify. This one from C Jev on Apple Podcasts, five stars, titled Jake Never Misses. I've been listening since 2020 and I enjoy every episode, even ones which I do not care for the artist. Just finished the David Crosby episode. I never cared for his music until after he passed away. I took a deep dive into his catalog and I really enjoyed it. And man, truly was an outlaw musician who made great music. My only complaint about the show is that I usually listen during my long work commute, and I often think that the sirens and the screeching tires in the episodes are real. Just kidding. Keep up the good work. Now, thank you so much, C Jev. You all might be going to yourself, saying to yourself right now, what David Crosby episode? What are we talking about? There's

• 34:12Jake Brennan?

  no David Crosby episode of DisgraceLand. You're looking at your Apple Podcast feed right now, your Spotify feed, your whatever feed. You don't see David Crosby in there. And the reason you don't is because the David Crosby episode is only available to our exclusive All-Access members of DisgraceLand, where every month they get a extra episode. Okay? C Jev is talking about that extra episode on David Crosby from Crosby, Stills, Nash, and whoever the fuck, as a wise man once called them. And the reason that we covered David Crosby is because his story is insane.

• 34:50Jake Brennan?

  It's nuts. This guy was off the fucking rails in the worst way. Anyhow, you want to hear that episode, you gotta become a member. It's only five bucks a month and you can do so at disgracelandpod.com/membership. Get that cross action like Melissa Etheridge, all right? But for much cheaper. Okay, this episode is coming to an end, but not for all access members. The all access members I just mentioned, they also get a little bit more of the bonus episodes too. And they get ad free listening. Go to disgracelandpod.com/membership to become a member for just $5.

• 35:51Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back, everybody. Going to get out of here in a minute. I want to talk about some episodes that we mentioned here, some subjects, some artists that we mentioned here that we have episodes in the vault in the archive. That's Taylor Swift. We brought up Taylor Swift, and we have a two-part episode on Britney Spears, who we talked about a little bit here. We did not, we don't have an episode on the Supremes. We do have a Motown episode, and of course, you can't talk about Motown without talking about the Supremes. TLC came up, TLC, we've got a TLC episode in the archive. And Shania Twain, did I talk about Shania Twain? I don't know that I talked about Shania Twain, but we do have an ACDC episode. Now, how is Shania Twain related to ACDC? Well, Mutt Lang was married to Shania Twain, and Mutt Lang produced those

• 36:32Jake Brennan?

  massive Shania Twain records. He also produced Back in Black, amongst other massive Def Leppard, just huge. So anyways, ACDC episode, check that out. Def Leppard, we'll get to at some point. But not before we get out of here, unfortunately. Got a recap right now. Number one, my other podcast Hollywood Land is alive and kicking over in the Hollywood Land feed, so make sure you're subscribed and following Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And check out our recent episode on Dwayne The Rock Johnson. Number two, right now, your Disgrace Land feed has a brand new Go-Go's episode. You know all about that because we spent the first half of this episode talking about it. Number three, coming tomorrow, our Rewind episode on Madonna. And next Tuesday, our brand new episode on Marilyn Manson.

• 37:15Jake Brennan?

  Number four, merch winners, get in touch, you know who you are. Number five, remember though, that no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, in honor of this week's subject, the Go-Go's, this is me reading you the Billboard charts of number one songs from the day that the Go-Go's debut album went to number one on March 6th, 1982. Number one, Centerfold, the Jay Giles Band, last week. One, peak position, one, weeks on chart, 18. Number two, Open Arms, Journey, last week. Two, peak position, two, weeks on chart, eight.

• 37:58Jake Brennan?

  Number three, I Love Rock and Roll, Joan Jett and the Black Hearts, last week. Nine, peak position, three, weeks on chart, five. Number four, Shake It Up, The Cars, last week, four, peak position, four, weeks on chart, 16. Number five, Stevie Wonder, last week.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Quit talking and start mixing.

• 38:55Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 39:26Speaker 04

  She's been thinking about this sleepover all week, but I think about her food allergies all the time. Fortunately, her doctor prescribed Zolair, omalizumab. It's proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens.

• 39:39Speaker 05

  Zolair 150mg is a prescription medication used to treat food allergy in people one year of age and older to reduce allergic reactions due to accidental exposure to one or more foods. While taking Zolair, you should continue to avoid all foods to which you are allergic. Don't use if you are allergic to Zolair. Zolair may cause a severe, life-threatening allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. Tell your doctor if you ever had anaphylaxis. Get help right away if you have trouble breathing or if you have swelling of your throat or tongue. Zolair should not be used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. Zolair is for maintenance use to reduce allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, while avoiding food allergens. Serious side effects such as cancer, fever, muscle aches and rash, parasitic infection, or heart and circulation problems have been reported. Please see zolair.com for full prescribing information. Ask an allergist

• 40:21Speaker 05

  about Zolair. This is an advertisement for Zolair paid for by Genentech and Novartis.

• 40:26Jake Brennan?

  Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyage. It's back by popular demand. This five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year, along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of DisgraceLand, along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners WiseCrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive

• 41:07Jake Brennan?

  true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime to secure your spot.