Bonus Episode: A Tribute to Dolly Parton

Dolly Parton has passed away. Dolly Parton was a musical giant, an American songwriter worthy of a place on the same page in the music history books as Bob Dylan, Kurt Cobain, Johnny Cash, Taylor Swift, or anyone else you can think of. More importantly, she was a first-class human, and an inspiration to me and many, many others. For more great stories at the intersection of music and true crime, check out these episodes: The Go-Gos https://www.disgracelandpod.com/235/the-gogos Bob Dylan https://www.disgracelandpod.com/178/bob-dylan See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:10Jake Brennan?

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• 2:14Jake Brennan?

  Hey, discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The After Party.

• 2:41Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth and to confront the myths, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we pay tribute to one of the greatest songwriters to ever put pen to paper, to ever pick up a guitar, to ever sing into a microphone, one of the all-time great human beings as well, Dolly Parton. We're going to take a trip into the punk scenes that you love and discuss what killed them and what kept them alive. We're also talking Alice Bag in L.A. punk rock. And we've got a new episode of our video podcast. This film should be played loud to preview.

• 3:23Jake Brennan?

  Plus, we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories you'll end up telling to someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:54Jake Brennan?

  So Dolly Parton passed away this week. Of all the musicians that we've covered who have died since we launched this podcast, this one feels different. And that's because Dolly Parton was so different in every way, from every one of her contemporaries. She was different from every one of her predecessors, her proteges. The thing that made Dolly Parton so different, it wasn't necessarily her music or her persona or her image. It was her grace. I can't think of another musician who lived with so much grace as Dolly Parton did, who put love and specifically empathy into nearly every move that she made. At least it seemed like that.

• 4:38Jake Brennan?

  And I'm not just talking about her charitable work, which is worth taking a serious look at and that we'll get into in just a moment, but I'm talking about the way that she interacted with other artists, the way in which she connected with the public, how she spoke, performed, wrote songs. If there's one singular quality to Dolly Parton, it's grace. When you watch her, you can feel the empathy. You can almost see the Dolly antenna fine-tuned to the needs of others. You can see it in those great late-night talk show interviews on Johnny Carson and David Letterman. You can see it in the award show acceptance speeches into the Rock and Roll and Country

• 5:21Jake Brennan?

  Halls of Fame at the Grammys, presenting an award to Whitney Houston, to someone else for a song that she wrote. You can hear it in her biggest hits, "I Will Always Love You" and "Jolene." You can feel it in her duets with Willie Nelson and Kenny Rogers, in her collaborations with other female artists, Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Miley Cyrus, and Norah Jones. You can see it in her big-screen performances, Steel Magnolias and Nine to Five. You can watch it on the small screen on her TV specials, her variety show, on old episodes of Hee Haw or The Porter Wagoner Show. And hell, you can even see it in her guest spots on The Muppet Show with Kermit and Miss Piggy.

• 6:00Jake Brennan?

  It's always Dolly Parton making other people feel good, making us feel good, always. Even now, at the time of her death, when we think about her, we feel good. That's not an accident. That's intentional. That's grace. And Dolly Parton had more of it than any successful artist from music history that I can think of. She will be deeply missed and she will never be replaced.

• 6:28Jake Brennan?

  And there's a lot being said about the trailblazing nature of Dolly's career, the way in which she modeled self-worth for future generations of women, and that should not be overlooked. She stared down Colonel Tom Parker, turned down Elvis Presley, broke free from Porter Wagoner, and she did it all with a smile on her face. But Dolly Parton was more than just a feminist. She was a humanist, a model for all of us, not just women, not just musicians, not just southerners, not just music fans, not just country music fans. If you want to have a better life, if you want to live a better life, if you want to be treated better, if you want to treat people better, if you want to write better songs, if you want to understand how to present yourself

• 7:10Jake Brennan?

  on screen, how to act, how to sing, how to make people laugh, how to love. Well, I can't think of another person who better modeled all of these things than Dolly Parton. Dolly Parton credited her faith for the reason her heart was so big, saying she was "open to everybody and everything." Man, I wish I had that quality. On its face, you know, we think about that, you know, saying she was open to everybody and everything. You know, I like to think that I'm that way. We all like to think that we're that way. But you go out into the world and that goodwill, that openness to others,

• 7:54Jake Brennan?

  it can be hard to summon. Life's little annoyances, the impatience we encounter from other people, the dismissiveness, the unnecessary attitudes, the judgment, our own imperfections, our own shortcomings, our own judgment, the cynicism of modern life, the world's natural injustices, the pigs in power, all of it. Life has a way of closing your heart to everybody and everything, not opening it, as Dolly Parton said. Again, she said, "My heart is open to everybody and everything." That is grace. Dolly Parton broke free from generational poverty and created generational wealth.

• 8:36Jake Brennan?

  She died with a net worth of $650 million and gave away hundreds of millions of dollars to various charities along the way throughout her life. She gifted over 300 million books to children worldwide, provided millions in scholarships, donated to local hospitals, schools, businesses, kids in her community who needed a hand, disaster relief, and way more. Dolly Parton was good to people because Dolly Parton believed in, as she said, "the goodness of people." And man, all of us could benefit from being more like Dolly Parton, from having even just a small percentage of the grace Dolly Parton lived with.

• 9:19Jake Brennan?

  I sometimes fantasize about hosting a different podcast, one that isn't based largely on the dark and evil transgressions from music history, one that isn't focused so often on the shittiness and narcissism of so many musicians, but that is instead based on the good that musicians put into the world, the grace. Of course, instead of calling it DisgraceLand, we'll call it Graceland. Or maybe we should just call it Dollyland. Rest in peace, Dolly Parton.

• 9:51Jake Brennan?

  So, you know, the way Dolly lived, you, you might not know it from that, that tribute that I just paid to her. She's fucking hysterical. Just, there's so many funny stories popping up. There's one here, I'm going to read. Matt's, Matt sent us a bunch this morning.

• 10:17Jake Brennan?

  This one's so good. On the set of Nine to Five, the director raised his voice at Dolly Parton in front of the whole crew, saying something like, "I don't know why they hired you for this film. You can't even act." And she responded, "They hired me because I'm Dolly Parton, and they hired you to make it look like I can act." I love that. And there's, there's, there's way funnier stuff that's out there making the rounds right now. People are online talking about it. So, we're going to dive into some of the funnier stuff, some of the levity connected to Dolly Parton in the exclusive section of this after-party. Zeth and I, Zeth's out there pounding the pavement, trying to get some stuff for you that hopefully you haven't seen yet. We'll talk about that in the exclusive section of the after-party. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up, get exclusive content like this, plus ad-free listening. All right.

• 11:02Jake Brennan?

  Uh, in the feed right now, we have our Alice Bag episode. If you're a Spotify listener, check it out. Listen. Apologies, man. I don't know, this didn't, we don't have an explanation, but it didn't publish to Spotify until late, late, late Tuesday night, almost 24 hours from when it normally posts. And we don't know why, it was just Spotify. It hit everywhere else on Apple Podcasts. So, if you haven't heard the Alice Bag episode, if you don't have it, if you're like, "What the fuck is he talking about?" Uh, check your feed, you should have it. Refresh your feed. Um, if you're Spotify listeners especially, everybody else, you know, there were some operational gremlins in the background. So, I don't know, if you're on another player and you don't have it, uh, again, refresh

• 11:46Jake Brennan?

  your feed and, uh, or close your app and reopen it and let us know if you got it, if you didn't, of course, and we'll, we'll make sure you, you, you hear this story. The story's great. It deals with serial killers that haunted, uh, the LA punk venue, The Mask, and how one singer, you can guess who, Alice Bag, in that scene led an army of punks to defend, defend themselves, basically. Uh, this is a story of how punk rock took root in LA at the same time, like I said, that a killer began to terrorize the city. It's a story of an underground club where bands like The Bags and The Germs got their start. If you don't know who The Germs are, and you're a Foo Fighters fan, that's Pat Smear's first band, all right?

• 12:27Jake Brennan?

  It's also the story of that club I just mentioned, The Mask, turned up dead, strangled and dumped on a freeway off-ramp near Griffith Park. It's a story about the murders of 10 young women, all of them killed within the span of four months. The murders sent Los Angeles into a paranoid frenzy, and it fortified the community of punk rockers who did, I guess, what comes naturally to people in marginalized scenes, in underground scenes, whatever you want to call it. They found strength in numbers, and they looked to the guidance of one of their protectors, a punk who wore a paper bag over her head. Again, you can guess who. This is the story of Alice Bag, leader of the seminal LA punk band called The Bags, and it's a story of LA punk rock being born in the shadow of the hillside strangler.

• 13:12Jake Brennan?

  Make sure you check that out. Alice Bag, that's available for you right now in Disgraceland. That's this week. We were planning in the rewind slot to feature Billie Holiday, but we're going to, um, sideline Lady Day and go with Dolly Parton. We're going to rewind Dolly Parton, even though we released this episode, uh, a couple of months ago at this point, we're going to re-release it for obvious reasons in the rewind slot. I don't care if you listened to this when it came out, listen to it again. You're going to be listening again through the lens of, uh, Dolly in a new light, having, you know, because of the fact that she just passed away, all right? If you want to hear about Dolly's rise from poverty, and if you haven't heard this episode and you want to know more about Dolly Parton, you want to hear about Dolly Parton's rise

• 13:54Jake Brennan?

  from poverty in Appalachia, the threats against her life, that she overcame the murder ballads that informed not only her music, but how she navigated a male-dominated music industry, then you have got to listen to the Dolly Parton episode in Disgraceland, coming at you this weekend in the rewind slot. Question of the week, this week is about Dolly Parton. Is Dolly Parton on the top five list of greatest American songwriters of all time? And if she's not, who is it that is keeping her off of that list? Give us a call at 617-906-6638. Leave a voicemail for us. Let us know what you think. Let us know your answer. Send us a text as well, 617-906-6638.

• 14:34Jake Brennan?

  You can also email us at [email protected], or hit us on the socials at disgracelandpod. Jump into the melee on Instagram, let us know, and you might hear your answer on next week's after-party. All right, this goes, your answers to last week's question of the week with your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more, coming up right after this.

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• 16:05Jake Brennan?

  All right, Jolene, Jolene, I will always love you. We are back, 617-906-6638. Last week's question of the week relative to our Disgraceland episode on Alice Bag was, what music scene do you wish you could go back in time to witness, and what artists deserve more recognition from those scenes? Let's hear from Neil in the 514.

• 16:28Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, it's Neil from the 514, longtime listener. Uh, just listening to your bonus episode and the question about, uh, scenes and unrecognized artists. Uh, I'm in Montreal, and we have some quite well-known artists from the mid 2000s from here that everyone knows Wolf Parade, everyone knows Arcade Fire, everyone knows Grimes. Love the show. Rock or roll.

• 16:58Jake Brennan?

  All right, Neil, thank you from Montreal. I never think of Montreal, man, I apologize. I don't think of Canada when I think of great music scenes. I really don't, but you're laying it out here for us. Mid 2000s, Montreal, Arcade Fire, Wolf Parade, Grimes. I really don't consider Canada when I consider... It's stupid. I literally just had to look up earlier, uh, Neil, when I was thinking of great American songwriters relative to Dolly Parton, and I was seeing Leonard Cohen, and I was like, "Wait, he's not American, he's Canadian, right?" Let's check out this call from Junior in the 714, talking about Dueling Brothers. We were talking about this last week, regards to shit, man. I don't know how it came up.

• 17:41Jake Brennan?

  I think we got into Oasis, Black Crows. Junior, what say you?

• 17:46Speaker 06

  Hey Jake, this is Junior, 714. Uh, Dueling Brothers, I don't know if you got to them, but The Blasters, down in California, late 70s, early 80s, rockabilly and roots. Those brothers were incredible, but they were at each other's throat 90% of the time. A band that is essential to a scene, The Cadillac Tramps, early 90s, uh, Orange County, Los Angeles, when rockabilly, ska, and punk all lived harmoniously together. The Tramps were on top, unfortunately, didn't make it. They're still playing to this day under the Cadillac Hearst as their singer passed away eight years ago.

• 18:26Speaker 06

  Johnny Toubak, their guitar player, is currently playing for the past 20-plus years with social distortion. But The Cadillac Tramps, incredible punk rock roots, blues. If you haven't heard of them, check them out. Take it easy, Jake, keep doing what you're doing. Later.

• 18:43Jake Brennan?

  Junior, really, really appreciate the call, man. Cadillac Tramps, I don't know this band, but I'm psyched to listen to them. Thank you. I know The Blasters well, and this dovetails nicely with the Alice Bag story, because they were around in LA, part of that early punk scene. Of course, they were not a punk, well, I mean, in spirit, they're a punk, but they kind of totally exemplify what we now call Americana music. American music, they're, is that a full-length or a collection? I can't remember. I used to have it, I have it somewhere, I had it on CD. Blasters are incredible. I played with The Blasters when they reunited in the aughts at some point.

• 19:28Jake Brennan?

  I played with, played with Dave Alvin solo in Europe, and I played, like I said, I played with The Blasters when they, they did a reunion tour sometime in the aughts in Boston at The Paradise. And, uh, I was backstage, actually, the guitar I'm looking at right now, it's about two feet from me, my, I was talking about this in one of the episodes with Zeth recently, my Gibson J180. Oh yeah, in regards to Dueling Brothers, in regards to the Everly Brothers. I was tied, yeah, so you know, Junior, that's why you're calling. And, uh, the guitar I was talking about, the one that's, uh, based on the, the, the Don Everly Ike guitar, my Gibson J180. Phil Alvin loved it, and he, we were backstage, he picked it up, and he was showing me how

• 20:12Jake Brennan?

  to play claw, what he called clawhammer blues, other people call it that as well. And he was, uh, he was really beating the shit out of my guitar, if I'm being honest. But he's playing it like a motherfucker. That was a good memory. Thanks for reminding me of it. Appreciate it. And if anybody has not heard The Blasters or Dave Alvin, there's some Dave Alvin solo stuff, too, that's just fucking great. Anyways, check that out. Blasters, American music. Let's go back to this topic of scenes and check in with the 864. Hey Jake, this is Mary. Um, I'm from South Carolina, and I'm from a particular town where an awesome southern rock band is from.

• 20:54Jake Brennan?

  I'm from Spartanburg, and the southern rock band that is quintessential to the southern rock band scene, I feel, is from Spartanburg. They're called the Marshall Tucker Band. I would honestly be surprised if you had never heard some of their hits, but they're legendary, they've opened for the Grateful Dead.

• 21:17Speaker 07

  One of my best friends all throughout school, his dad was the loudest and would win player for the band. And he's actually the member of the band I feel that makes them so iconic and their song openings are just so iconic and awesome because of him. Another southern rock band, I know they didn't form in the South, but most of their songs are pretty southern and about the South. And I think they're pretty quintessential also. Little Feet, the shit. Thank you so much for telling us such amazing stories. Have a great night. Bye.

• 22:00Jake Brennan?

  Mary, appreciate the call. Yeah, I know Marshall Tucker Band. I don't know Marshall Tucker. Is it, is there a Marshall Tucker in the Marshall Tucker Band? That song, Can't You See, their big hit is just incredible. It's just incredible. It's the ultimate sitting around a campfire with an acoustic guitar. I'm gonna play you a song right now that everybody's gonna love and everybody's gonna be into. And it's gonna make beers taste colder. It's gonna make that moonlight a little sharper. You know, just a great, great tune. And I want to tell you something, Mary, you put a flute into anything and I'm listening. All right. That's just the way I am. As for Little Feet, not a huge fan, never have been. And I, and I think it's just because that song, Willin', has been played to death in, you know, in clubs in and around Boston, or was played to death when I was growing

• 22:44Jake Brennan?

  up. And it just, it just kind of killed it for me. But I'm, I'm, I'm willing to be willing about Little Feet. All right. I'm willing to be willing. I'm willing to have my mind changed. Appreciate the call, Mary. All right. 617-906-6638. Let's do some texts, shall we? Mike from the 925, I have a couple of bands for you to check out for a possible deep dive. Quicksand. Quicksand. Come on, Mike. Death Angel. I can help connect you with Mark. That sounds interesting. My apologies if you've already covered, covered these dudes. Thanks for all the hard work. Quicksand. I don't know, man. I know those guys a little bit. I've met Walter a couple of times and Tom Capone, who's also in a great band called

• 23:26Jake Brennan?

  Handsome. Love Quicksand. One of my favorite bands of all time. But I don't know, man, like, I don't know if there's much crime there. And if there is, I don't want to know. I like them too much. I'm too personally connected to them. I have friends who are really good friends with them and they're on tour with my friend's band, Bane, right now. It's, it's a whole thing. Death Angel. Shit, man. I remember Death Angel briefly from the eighties and sort of that whole like flotsam and jetsam era. And I don't, I'm trying to think of the Death Angel album that we were into. But yeah, man, Mike, hit me back with some Death Angel info. I'm curious. I'm Death Angel curious. Okay. 909 texts in. First of all, love the Jake versus Zeth banter. Second, you didn't mention Ray and

• 24:10Jake Brennan?

  Dave Davies of the Kinks in your discussion of brother bands. Lots of volatility in their story, too. Rock-a-rola Scott from the 909. Scott from the 909. I love saying 909. Scott. Oh, he didn't talk about the Davies Brothers? I'm gonna defer to your memory on that instead of mine. I barely remember the brother conversation. It took, took the disco who was talking about the Alvin Brothers. I didn't even know when that conversation happened. But, okay, if we left off the, the Davies, I apologize. Also, this is kind of a weak spot in my, my music history is the history of the Kinks. We did a little bit of a deep dive, not a

• 24:53Jake Brennan?

  deep dive. We did, we had a conversation about the Davies Brothers, Zeth and I, a couple of months back. And I was a little shocked at some of the stuff I was reading. But I feel like there's a Disgrace Land episode there at some point. 4016 texts in. Hey, southern rock band you don't hear much about anymore. Molly Hatchet, Jacksonville, Florida. Oh, Jason in the 4016. You know, great Florida bands is a subject that I would really like to dive deeper into. That aren't named Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers because they're the greatest Florida band of all time. Are they not? Is there anyone better? Jason, let's, let's unpack that one a little bit. Text us back, okay? Guys, you want to be like

• 25:36Jake Brennan?

  your fellow discos that we just heard from, give us a call, send us a text, 617-906-6638. You can talk about anything you want. Give us your answer to the Dolly Parton question we posed earlier. If Dolly's not on the top five list of greatest American songwriters of all time, who is? That's the question. Hit us up. 617-906-6638. We can talk brother bands. We can talk southern rock. We can talk LA punk. We can talk scenes that have not gotten their due. Bands who helped form them. Hit us up. Let us know. I'm gonna pitch you the most badass music biopic that will probably never get made. I'm gonna do that right now. The trailer will start with this cheesy line. Some superheroes wear a mask,

• 26:19Jake Brennan?

  but this hero wore a paper bag. But the thing is, guys, this is true. When a member of the LA punk scene was brutally murdered by the Hillside Strangler, one punk stepped up to protect the rest. She wasn't born a protector. She was made into one when her father beat her mother with his belt in front of the entire neighborhood. It was Alicia Almandares who stepped in. Protection was necessary. LA in the late seventies. It was life or death. Alicia took that instinct to school where bullies targeted her Chicano roots, where words were not enough, where violence was the lesson of the day, where protection was a contact sport. Outside of school, out on the streets with her punk rock friends, it wasn't just bullies Alicia had to deal with. It was a serial killer,

• 27:03Jake Brennan?

  killers, to be precise. So Alicia stopped being Alicia and became Alice. Alice, who augmented her torn t-shirts, bright green stockings and heels with a paper bag over her head. Alice Bag, protector of the punks. The story of Alice Bag in the early LA punk scene of a city being terrorized by the Hillside Stranglers. It's not just something for the music history books. It's an origin story, a superhero origin story. Alice Bag in Disgrace Land this week. Check that out. We'll be back right after this.

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• 28:51Jake Brennan?

  617-906-6638. That's how you hit us up on voicemail and text, at Disgrace Slam Pod on the socials. But if you want to email me, [email protected]. This one comes from Adam. Last week, we were discussing some of those great shows, great concerts that MTV aired back in the nineties. Not just MTV Unplugged. We were talking about the Oasis one, the Portishead one, the Radiohead one. So Adam writes in, dude, I totally remember those epic events. Some bands I didn't really like had the best shows. The LL Cool J one was epic even. The Nirvana one still has to be my fave. Though the Alice in Chains one was close to it. The whole semi unplugged monitor being an amp for Kurt was always

• 29:35Jake Brennan?

  a fun punk move and I loved to read about it. Anyway, nineties guys getting lost in the past always seemed like hell at the time, but it's way better in rose colored glasses looking backwards with nostalgia and all. Love the show. Rock-a-rola. That one comes from Adam. Adam, you're absolutely right. You mentioned a couple of the, a couple of my favorite unplugged episodes. The LL Cool J one was fantastic. That live band, it's the Roots, right? I think that was the band backing him up. He had those fucking golf balls hanging out of his armpits. Remember that? The fucking deodorant. The Nirvana one, iconic immediately. Alice in Chains, they got a great EP out of their unplugged set as well. Just totally awesome. Raw B writes in. Raw B is spelled R-A-W-B-E-E.

• 30:20Jake Brennan?

  Hey Jake, I have to recommend a movie. You've probably seen it, but if not, it's a You Need to Grab a Frosty Pint of Moosehead. Put the phone in airplane mode, flop out on the butt cushion and do not take your starving eyeballs off of it. It's called The Last Stop in Yuma County. Call me when you finish it. We'll chat. Cheers from the 519 in Waterloo, Canada. Waterloo, Canada. We're connecting our Canadian voicemail from earlier with the Kinks. We're doing it through Yuma County. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The last stop in Yuma County. What is this? Is it a Western? Is Yul Brynner in it? Why do I associate Yul Brynner with Yuma County? Is it just Yul and Yuma? Is

• 31:04Jake Brennan?

  that why? Am I that simple? I am. I'm even more simple. Got a preview of our new Disgrace Land subjects coming at you next week. And listen, you guys want to help us pick these subjects? You want more of a hand in this? More of a say? More of a voice? You want more of a formal role in figuring out what musicians we cover? Well, you can take part in that by joining our Zoom. The rest of the discos, the rest of the all access members. And we're gonna chop it up. We don't have a date yet, but I would have put that together soon. We're gonna jump on Zoom. Many of you, as the software can handle, and we're gonna try to have a civilized conversation about which artists we want to cover coming up.

• 31:47Jake Brennan?

  So you want, you want that, you want to be part of that? Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. You're supporting the show as well. Plus, you're gonna get all kinds of bonus content, ad-free content, ad-free listening, and exclusive content, like I said, like our new episode of This Film Should Be Played Loud on Licorice Pizza. Matt, give them a taste. All right. Song that got me down the rabbit hole is Slip Away by the horniest man in show business, Clarence Carter. And this is in the scene where we're starting to catch Alana's entry into the world of politics. Yes. And she joins the Wax campaign, not, not the Walks campaign. Right, right. I didn't AB this, I didn't look into it, but I suspect that Paul Thomas Anderson is in this

• 32:31Jake Brennan?

  scene in Licorice Pizza while Alana's being introduced to the world of politics in the Wax campaign, that he, the filmmaker, is paying homage to Martin Scorsese and Taxi Driver and that whole thing, when they get into the whole political campaign with Travis Bickle and Sybil Shepherd, and you know, you know what I'm saying? He's watching them from outside, just like this mystery man is watching from outside. I love too how, I mean, at least in my view, is this guy who's watching, is he like one of Joel Wax's like ex-lovers who's pissed, or is he like? Well, you don't know that Joel Wax is gay yet. Yeah, sorry, that's true. That's true. I mean, I did. During that interview, there are red flags. That's all I'm saying. Well, yeah, sure, but I'm just, you don't know if, if it's a sort of a scorned ex-lover,

• 33:16Jake Brennan?

  or if it's somebody who's like working for the opposition, who's gonna like- Or Travis Bickle. Or Travis Bickle, yeah. Yeah, exactly right. But I think even the way they shoot it, it feels very similar. Again, I didn't AB it, but it feels like they come into that whole world in a very, very similar way. Yeah. You know what I mean? Totally. And, yeah, I mean, I expect Albert Brooks to walk around the corner with a, with an Afro and get me a coffee, you know? It's very much, I feel like that's what we're doing there. Yeah. But Slipping Away, Clarence Carter is what's playing, which is, I guess it's on the nose because she's leaving the world of Gary Valentine to go into this other world. Yes. She's slipping away, but that doesn't mean that's what the song's about. Right, right. The song is about slipping away and having sex with some girl or guy you're not supposed to be having sex with. Right.

• 34:01Jake Brennan?

  Which is kinda where the, I know, it's where the story's kinda going. Yeah, because I think she then kinda thinks that maybe she has a shot with Joel. I don't think she knows that Joel Wax is gay. She doesn't. She thinks she has a shot with him. And she's about to make a play for him. She almost makes a play for the other guy. They almost, they almost fall into it. That's right. And she's all over the place. Clarence Carter's amazing, and this song's incredible. It is. And Clarence Carter wrote just, he just wrote horny hits, man. Slip Away, Strokin', Backdoor, Backdoor Santa. Oh my God, Backdoor Santa, I, I, I've stricken that from my Christmas playlist because I just, I can't expose the kid, the children to that. It's so filthy. No, you got, well, I had a time with my kids because they don't get the double entendre of it all yet. You know what I mean? I could probably play Strokin' and they wouldn't get it, you know?

• 34:43Jake Brennan?

  It's just, but it's just filthy. And it's just like, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what he was up to. I don't want to project. But I love Clarence Carter. Clarence Carter, Clarence Carter, Clarence, you know, it's so good. That's me and Zeth, Dr. Zeth Lundie, in This Film Should Be Played Loud. Zeth helms the Hollywood Land feed as well. He's in that feed three times a week with our archive episode, with our Rap Party episode, and with our Screening Room episode. Give Hollywood Land a follow on Apple Podcasts, iHeart Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, as promised, some good Dolly Parton stories coming up in the exclusive section right now. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up if you're not. Back after this.

• 35:38Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. Before I split, just want to say, what did we mention in this episode? We mentioned Bob Dylan. We did not mention the Go-Go's, but the Go-Go's episode on Disgraceland is a nice bookend to the Alice Bag episode. They take place during the exact same time and the exact same scene. Zeth wrote the Alice Bag episode. I wrote the Go-Go's episode, and they're kinda talking to each other, and the Hillside Strangler's involved in both, and you know, check it out. You can find that episode in our archive of almost 300 episodes on artists from every genre. Matt's gonna put the episode information for the Go-Go's story and the Bob Dylan story in the show notes of this bonus episode to make it easier for you to find. Let's recap, shall we, this week?

• 36:20Jake Brennan?

  Number one, our new episode on Alice Bag, available for you right now. Number two, in the Rewind slot this weekend, our classic episode, instantly classic episode on Dolly Parton, R.I.P. Number three, coming up next week, a preview of all the awesomeness we have coming your way for the next season, the end of the year. Get in there with us. Number four, Zeth's gonna give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywood Land feed, so make sure you are subscribed. I'm gonna give you my music recs too, over in the Rap Party. That happens every week, but it only happens in the Hollywood Land feed. Number five, the current This Film Should Be Played Loud video podcast hits this week on Licorice Pizza, August 26th. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up, become an All-Access member, and unlock exclusive content just like this, plus ad-free listening.

• 37:02Jake Brennan?

  Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep on calling, texting with the answers to next week's question of the week, or with whatever else you guys want to talk about, because don't forget, this goes, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed, and no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do, and that's a disgrace. All right, back on November 23rd, 1977, Jane King's body was discovered, and this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, You Light Up My Life, Debbie Boone, last week, one, peak position, one,

• 37:44Jake Brennan?

  weeks on chart, 13. Number two, Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue, Crystal Gale, last week, three, peak position, two, weeks on chart, 16. Number three, How Deep Is Your Love, Bee Gees, last week, six, peak position, three, weeks on chart, 10. Number four, Boogie Nights, peak position, last week, two, peak position, two, weeks on chart, 19. Number five, baby, what a big surprise.

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