Bonus Episode: A Rock ‘N’ Roll World Cup, Criminal Minded English Musicians and Here’s Wonderwall

England? Argentina? Spain? You know who the winner of this year’s World Cup really is? Oasis. Plus, it’s Happy Mondays week in Disgraceland, has us asking, who do you think is the most transgressive, debaucherous band ever? We get into it with your voicemails, texts, DMs and more. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:14Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth and to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we discuss how Oasis is this year's actual World Cup winner. We take a look at Happy Mondays and their rock and roll debauchery. Preview next week's new episode where you'll find out how Dolly Parton defied the expectations of stardom in more ways than you thought. Plus, we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried.

• 2:59Jake Brennan?

  Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling to someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:15Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are here, we are all together. I'm playing hurt today. I got something I came down with this morning and man, it's hitting me, it's hitting me hard, but you know what? I can't be stopped. I cannot be contained because I have a game today. All right? We all have a game today. 3 o'clock Eastern, England, Argentina. I too have somehow, like most people that I've spoken to over the last few weeks, managed to become a soccer fan this summer. All right? The World Cup has been riveting and it's been pretty rock and roll. Okay? Rock and roll is gloriously at the center of the World Cup this year, thanks to England's team and their fans.

• 3:57Jake Brennan?

  The images of star player Harry Kane locking arms with his teammates after the victory against Mexico and running to the stands while being deafened by England supporters serenading their team with Oasis's Wonderwall was riveting television. So by the time you hear this episode, it's gonna be Thursday at least, and England will have either won or lost against Argentina for the semifinals. And Wonderwall will either be further cemented into the zeitgeist or put on mute for the time being. Hopefully, we're still hearing Noel and Liam's chorus, though, ringing in our ears. And hopefully, we're getting ready for Kane's men to take on Spain in the finals this weekend. Go, England, is

• 4:38Jake Brennan?

  what I'm saying. And yes, it's because of rock and roll. It's because of Wonderwall. Before the World Cup, I could give a shit about English soccer players. And then I got pulled into the action like everybody else. At first, I found myself glued to a big outdoor screen in a park in Budapest with my family while on vacation rooting for the US against Australia. As the cup progressed, I was watching games without the United States, just got pulled into it. I was curious, what's all this about, you know? And I found myself rooting for the underdogs so that the US would theoretically have an easier path to winning the tournament. They were eliminated, though, in the last

• 5:20Jake Brennan?

  round. But it didn't matter, because by that time, the games themselves had pulled me in. Okay, the game, this game, this amazing game, subtle violence, it's lulling, vibey flow and rhythm and the game's quick flashes of aggression when the players break through with the goals. The game itself pulled me in. There's a weird sensation to watching this game. It's different from any other sport I've watched. It's like some flow state high. You get glued into the action and then a goal happens and you're euphoric for an instant and then immediately you're thrust right back into the tide that doesn't really stop for about two straight hours, except for those.

• 6:03Jake Brennan?

  Pesky hydration breaks, of course, which are quite controversial as I'm coming to learn. But back to rock and roll. All right. I intended to root for Mexico over England in the round of 16. I really did because fuck England. I'm American. And despite our own insane geopolitical history of oppression and corruption, rooting for imperialists, it just ain't my bag, baby. So Mexico. But I couldn't root for Mexico. I tried. It was the way they played. They annoyed me. Just watching them, the way they're just fucking annoying. And the crowd was on their side and I like an underdog because like I mentioned, I'm an American. And then England went down a man and had to play with just 10 players against Mexico's 11.

• 6:47Jake Brennan?

  So I was, I was in and I liked the Harry Kane dude. I do. I just like him. I like him on the field. I like how he plays. And there was the whole Wonderwall of it all. I knew that in the moment, in that game. Cause a few days earlier, I was rooting hard against England and for Diarra Congo. And Diarra Congo had them on the ropes and they almost beat them, but Kane and the boys came back and won. And the stands went nuts with Wonderwall and I caught it and I was like, what the fuck is this? And then I saw Courtney Love on Instagram waving an English flag, talking about soccer. And I was like, cool. So when the Mexico game happened, when that was happening, I should say, and my allegiance was shifting. Part of the reason was that I was hoping to catch a little more of that Wonderwall magic at the end of the game.

• 7:31Jake Brennan?

  And what do you know? England beat Mexico. And anyway, here's Wonderwall. And it was fucking glorious, man. It was awesome. It's fucking euphoric. Like I said,

• 7:41Jake Brennan?

  all these people just so happy. So, and I know, I know all winning team soccer fans, football fans are happy in the World Cup, but they don't have Wonderwall, man. That's the difference. It's glorious. Or as Liam Gallagher tweeted after hearing his voice ring out through Azteca Stadium, "I sounded fucking biblical." He said something like that. It's perfect. "England, you are my team for the rest of the tournament, however long that may be." All right. Hopefully again, when you're hearing this, England's on their way to playing the finals against, uh, against Spain. But who knows, it might be Argentina. One of the coolest things, back to rock and roll here, one of the coolest things that I've learned in all my research on disgraced land subjects is how Liam's brother Noel

• 8:26Jake Brennan?

  developed his musicality. It was from soccer or football. It was from sitting in the stadium, watching his team, Man City, and listening to their supporters. It's directly responsible for Noel Gallagher's anthemic songwriting in Oasis. Here's what I mean. This is from part one of our two-parter on Oasis. Matt, give him the clip. Four years old with his dad at Main Road Soccer Stadium, the hallowed ground where Manchester City's Sky Blues hovered above the drudgery of working-class Manchester, England. Noel Gallagher sat amongst 2,000 other kids stashed away in the stands by their fathers who fucked off to the stadium's bars.

• 9:08Jake Brennan?

  And it was here that one of the cornerstones of Noel Gallagher's songwriting was cemented by the raucous sound of Man City's goal celebrations. Thunders, rolls of noise from the bounce of stadium attendees pogoing out of their seats and erupting into song whenever City found the back of the net. A full-throated, community-wide chorus of the working class, united in their support of and commitment to their club, roaring their team's chants, "Boys in Blue: We're Really Not Here", 1962, and the showstopper, "Blue Moon". And not in the lame-ass Rodgers and Hart style that Elvis Presley popularized with his falsetto. At Main Road, "Blue Moon" was shouted, staccato style, a sort of pre-punk gang vocal being hammered out by 35,000 strong.

• 9:53Jake Brennan?

  It was simple, easy to latch on to, anthemic, fucking epic. Noel Gallagher would never forget it. So, like I said, rock and roll has me rooting for England, okay? No offense- To the rest of the teams in the World Cup who remained after the US got bounced. But England has the richest musical history. They really do. But who knows? Again, like I said before, by the time you hear this, maybe Messi magic has struck and England has been dismissed. Let's hope not. If that hoping, if that happens, hopings, if that happens. I guess I'm rooting for Messi. I like that guy too. I do.

• 10:31Jake Brennan?

  Cause uh, not just because he's like, you know, the Michael Jordan of soccer, but like Mike, like uh, Mike Kane, like Michael Kane, like Harry Kane. Messi's got hair that is uh, that is not decidedly on rock and roll. Okay. Like 90% of the players in this tournament. I don't know what's up with the soccer haircut. The shaved bowl cut Lloyd Christmas starter kit. I can't stand it. Everybody's got it. It's like 90% of the players have this haircut. It's awful. Seth and I are going to get into this riveting subject of soccer players hair. To some degree, along with more World Cup talk and behind the scenes look at the new episodes of Disgraceland that we're putting together for you right now.

• 11:12Jake Brennan?

  We're trying to figure out what we're putting together right now. Some of these are coming from your suggestions. Some of them are just stories we've wanted to tell ourselves for a long while. And uh, we're trying to figure out which ones are next. Okay. And specifically I'm trying to figure out what story I'm going to sit down and research uh, next week and then write the week after. Or two weeks after, I should say. Uh, that's all happening in the exclusive section of this here after party. Go to disgrace and pod.com to sign up and get uh, exclusive content, behind the scenes content like this. Plus ad free listening on everything we do here. All right. In your feed right now, we have our happy Mondays episode coming up next.

• 11:54Jake Brennan?

  Right after this after party, our two part rewind episode from our archive on the notorious B I G. Originally released in May of 2021, this episode gets into who I believe murdered the hip hop icon. Now you're not going to want to miss these episodes. All right. Listen and you're going to find out what Suge Knight's payroll, what a mysterious. Ninety five Chevy Impala at a red light next to Biggie Smalls on the night he died. And a cop who was connected to both Big and Pac all has to do with Biggie Smalls's death, perhaps Tupac's as well. All right, then, after the rewind, coming next Tuesday,

• 12:35Jake Brennan?

  our brand new episode on Dolly Parton. Just a question, why can't female global music stars just make music and not have to deal with threats to their lives? That's the question. I'm asking it. All right. This story gets into those death threats, gets into the murder ballad that almost was Dolly Parton's career, and it tells the story of one of the greatest comebacks ever. So when you're listening to the new Disgrace Land Dolly Parton episode, be thinking about artists like Dolly and give us a call at 617-906-6638 and let us know who your favorite crossover artist is. Okay. Dolly Parton, she's thought of as a country artist, but she has had massive pop

• 13:16Jake Brennan?

  hits. She's crossed over is the point. So which crossover artist is your favorite? Or what's the best example of a great crossover artist other than Dolly Parton from music history? Can be from any genre, can be from country to pop like Dolly, rap to rock like the Beasties. There's a million examples. Who's the greatest artist to go from one genre to the other? Let us know 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. You can email us at [email protected] or hit us on the socials at disgracelandpod and you might hear your answer on next week's after party. All right, discos, your answers to last week's question of the week with your voicemails, your texts, your DMs, your emails and more coming up right after this.

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• 15:13Jake Brennan?

  All right. So you want to be a rock and roll star, then listen now, hear what I say. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. This goes, I'm hanging on the telephone with you. 617-906-6638. We asked two questions relative to our disgraced episode on Happy Mondays. What's the most rock star that you've ever been? And who's the most transgressive, hedonistic, debaucherous, wild, drugged out band of all time? Got a bunch of different answers coming in, in all, from all different ways. Want to go to Anita in the 512 here with her text. Jake, I just finished the Happy Mondays episode. Fantastic job. I loved it. To answer your question this week, this is the most rock star shit that has ever happened to me. Yes, that is me onstage with the Damned.

• 15:58Jake Brennan?

  I was tossed up onstage during their finale, Anti-Pope, and Dave grabbed a hold of me and we sang together. Captain Sensible came over and draped his guitar over me and I closed the show. I got a hug and a kiss from both Dave and the captain. Greatest night of my life. Rock-a-rola. Anita in the 512. This is perfect. I love it. Thank you very much. Delbert, I got your voicemail and Delbert, you're too debauched, too rock and roll for the airwaves, man. Even for the RSS, okay? Can't get you in here. Too, too, just a little too much, my man. Too much. I'm glad to hear you're alive. I truly am. I'm happy to hear you made it.

• 16:41Jake Brennan?

  And that you're still kicking down there in Louisville. All right. Appreciate the message, though. Let's check out this recommendation from the 808.

• 16:50Speaker 07

  Hey, it's Michael Hu from Bowling Green, Kentucky. I was just wondering if you ever have or will or could be planning on or would consider doing an episode of Crass, the UK punk band, the NRKO punk band Crass and G Voucher and all the different members of Crass and kind of the backstory and the connection to Tumbawamba. I think that would be a really interesting podcast to hear you do because you're the best when it comes to behind the scene, uh, rock and roll podcast stuff. So, thanks. Uh, looking forward to hearing back. Appreciate it. Have a good one. And keep up the great work.

• 17:26Jake Brennan?

  Michael, appreciate the call, man. Thanks so much. Great suggestion. Don't have it on our list. It's now on the list. Appreciate you. Crass. Appreciate all the discos sending in their recommendations. We need them, man. Keep them coming, okay? Let's go to the 417.

• 17:43Speaker 07

  Jake, this is Josh from the 417. Man, I love your show. I, uh, I was listening to your Sonic Youth episode and you were talking about married couples in rock and roll bands. And there's one that I don't think you know about that you really should. One of my favorite bands out there is called Shovels and Rope. They're a married couple out of South Carolina. And not only are they a married couple in rock and roll, they're the only two people in the band. So, everything you hear is just the two people up on stage and they are magic on stage together. They got several albums out. Um, I really think you should check them out. Maybe do a show on them sometime. They're really, they're, uh, they're a great show. They're still touring around. Uh, maybe catch a show for them sometime. Again, love your show, man. Take it easy. See ya.

• 18:27Jake Brennan?

  Josh, amazing call. Thanks so much, dude. Uh, I don't know Shovels and Rope. I know the name. I've seen their names on, on festival bills before. Uh, I know nothing about the band and I love this idea that married couples can make it in bands because it's, um, it's an insane lifestyle in business to try to, uh, just maintain a marriage, never mind

• 18:51Jake Brennan?

  I mean, maintaining romance and marriage is hard over time anyways. And hearing about when it works is inspiring in in any world, really, but especially in music for sure. And, you know, you made me think when you mentioned shovels and rope, you made me think of another one that you're probably hip to. And I'm not even sure if this is accurate, but Gillian Welch and Dave Rawlings. And is it Gillian or Gillian, by the way? I never fucking know. I apologize. Gillian Gillian. I've heard it a million different ways. Same thing with Gillian Flynn, Gillian Flynn, you know what I mean? It's but whatever. You know what I'm saying? Gillian Welch and David Rawlings. I believe they're married and they're fucking great. They are so good. They are so fantastic.

• 19:36Jake Brennan?

  Seen them live twice, definitely once. No, twice. And I particularly remember seeing them at the House of Blues in Boston, right around the time of that. What's that record called? What Time the Revelator? Is it called Time the Revelator, that album there? Fantastic album. Whatever it's called. You know what I'm talking about? It's kind of just after they worked with Ryan Adams on Heartbreaker. And I don't even think House of Blues was House of Blues yet. I think it was still called The Avalon. And they destroyed. They were so great. I think they're married. If not, hey, good excuse for a recommendation there. Gillian slash Gillian Welch and David Rawlings. Someone please call me and tell

• 20:20Jake Brennan?

  me how to pronounce her name and I'll apologize to her when we get it right. Okay, 617 906 6638. You want to leave me a voicemail? You want to send me a text onto the subject of Happy Mondays, this week's full episode of DisgraceLand. We asked the question, what's the most hedonistic, debaucherous, transgressive band from music history? And oh, boy, did we get a lot of comments. I'm just gonna click through a bunch of these. These are from, where are we? Instagram. And it's, I mean, this is, this is great. This is like fantastic.

• 20:55Jake Brennan?

  Not just recommendations on what to listen to, but recommendations on podcasts we've done, podcasts we can do. I'm going to click through a bunch of these because there's a ton. F-ing good music writes, MC5, The White Panther Party deserves its own One Crazy Night style movie. Absolutely does. And we get into that in the MC5 episode, a little bit. Jeff Baker 835 up in Boston says, hey, might have to go with the Louvin Brothers. Fantastic recommendation. And I know a little bit about the Louvin story. I need to know more about it. We need to do an episode on that. Too Fast For Love, Too Fast For Love Images, excuse me, just writes in Wilson Phillips.

• 21:33Jake Brennan?

  They're kidding. Campground Visual, hey, Butthole Surfers should be on this list. The new documentary on them is amazing. I want to talk about that for a second before I read the rest of that. I don't know a lot about Butthole Surfers. I've seen Butthole Surfers, I think, twice. But anyways, Gibby, Gibby came up a bunch in the John Fuschante research that I just finished. I just finished putting that episode together for you guys. And complete and total psychopath. And there's footage, I saw them on the Lollapalooza tour, the first one. And I remember, I think I remember hearing about, I don't remember seeing it, the shotgun onstage. There's footage of this online. You can see Gibby

• 22:14Jake Brennan?

  Haynes from Butthole Surfers onstage at Lollapalooza, firing off a fucking shotgun onstage.

• 22:24Jake Brennan?

  What's that all about? Get away with it. So I can't imagine what this documentary is. I don't know what it is, but I need to get into it. Cjules writes in, the birthday party, they're all wildly insane and made great music. Nick Cave was mild compared to Tracy Pugh, the bass guitarist. The documentary recently released, Mutiny in Heaven, captures the full story beautifully. A definite must-watch. I love this. Thank you, Cjules. I will absolutely watch this. I've been looking for an angle into Nick Cave for a while, and this might help me out. Thank you. All right. This one is the one I want to get to Richie underscore V123 writes in, "Hey, believe it or not, country star Johnny Rodriguez, his piano player slash tour manager

• 23:07Jake Brennan?

  was a regular guy at my bar. And the stories that that guy told me, if even half of them were true, Johnny belongs on the list." And I wrote, "Really? I wonder what stories there are. Give us a taste." And someone named Scott underscore Ward wrote, "Johnny did jail time for stealing a goat." I don't know what that's about, but I think there's murder connected to this story. And, uh, you know, there's a bunch of other mentions here, the Gigi Allens, the Norwegian black metal, whole bunch of stuff. Weird Spring writes in, "Any band involved in the Boston hardcore scene in the early aughts?" I'm not touching that. I like being on this side of the ground. TSOL. Now, that's funny. That's not funny.

• 23:47Jake Brennan?

  That's actually really interesting to me, Jack, and that whole scene. Uh, great, great answers, guys. Appreciate it. Thank you. That's over at DisgraceLandPod on Instagram. Get in the conversation there if you want. You can also, if you want a more direct line, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. Another way to jump in the conversation with, with myself and the rest of the discos is over on Patreon in the chat. Uh, Eric, I'm happy to see that the ACDC show you went to was incredible and happy to see you wearing your DisgraceLand hat. Thank you very much. Pretty badass out in Charlotte, North Carolina. Also happy to see that Kimberly Whitehead has rejoined us. Thank you, Kimberly. We missed you. Also like to welcome Katie Crook to the Patreon. Katie is our most recent All-Access

• 24:31Jake Brennan?

  member. Katie, get in here, get in the chat, introduce yourself. Ryan L., I see you. I see you in the comments on the Happy Mondays episode. Thanks, my man. Happy you enjoyed it. Appreciate you. You guys want to become All-Access members? You want a deeper conversation with us and the rest of your DisgraceLand fellow listeners? [email protected] to sign up. All right. So where are we here? 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. You want to get us with the answer to the question of the week next week, which is going to be, who's your favorite crossover artist? Is it Dolly Parton going from Jolene to Nine to Five, Ray Charles, Beastie Boys? Like I said, so many examples. Hit us up 617-906-6638,

• 25:14Jake Brennan?

  voicemail and text at disgracelampod on the socials, [email protected]. If you want to email me, or you can jump in the Patreon chat and you can sign up at disgracelampod.com to do that. All right. On the subject of Happy Mondays, there are many musicians, many actors who have run for office. Sonny Bono, Jeloby Afro, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ronald Reagan, but not many have created their own political party. In 2014, Mark Berry, also known as Bez from Happy Mondays, founded the We Are the Reality Party. But Bez, he's not your usual musician. Okay. He doesn't write songs. He doesn't play any traditional instruments.

• 25:59Jake Brennan?

  But what he does do is play the maracas, along with his signature quote unquote freaky dancing in England's most hedonistic and transgressive band ever, Happy Mondays. So when his party ran for seats in three English constituencies, people were amused. And despite running on a platform of free energy, free food, and free anything, Bez and his platform, his party here, only received 703 votes. Okay. Bez is not the usual musician. That's the point. And he definitely was not the usual politician. He's Bez from the Happy Mondays. And if you want to hear more about that, you got to check out the latest episode of Disgrace. And don't go anywhere. Discos will be back right after this with your emails and more.

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• 28:18Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back, guys. Thanks for hanging in there with us. I don't know what I've come down with here, but it's coming fast, man. It sucks because, you know, I want to watch that game today. I'm still going to watch it. I'm going to play hurt. Okay? Nothing's going to keep me off the pitch. That's what I'm saying. [email protected]. You guys want to email me on any subject at all. That's how you do it. This one comes from Jeremy Stein. Subject: Wildest thing seen at a show. Back in 1991, I was at a Fishbone Primus show in Toronto, and in the middle of one of the songs, Angelo, the lead of Fishbone, climbed up the speaker stack to the balcony while

• 29:00Jake Brennan?

  singing, worked his way to the back of the theater, stood on the edge of the balcony, and dropped off, knowing, of course, that his fans would catch him. As a 20-year-old, this blew my skull that someone would do this. Fast forward to about five years ago, Fishbone came around again, and this time, there were maybe 20 dudes in the crowd, and all of them were in their 40s. Sure enough, in the middle of a song, Angelo did the same thing, dove into the crowd, knowing that his fans would catch him, and they did. Even though my back hurt for a week, it was still worth it.

• 29:34Jake Brennan?

  Jeremy, I hope your back's okay, first and foremost. Second, I admire your commitment to Fishbone. Great band. Truth and Soul, which is one of the greatest albums. It's start to finish, no skips, incredible. That album doesn't get enough, enough talky talk. All right, what are you guys watching? I am almost all caught up. No, I am, I'm all caught up with Cape Fear and I am loving it. Zeth Lundie, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Zeth doesn't like this show. It's great. You know, it's not, you know, auteur cinema, but it's great television. Scary, actually scary. And I'm digging it. So I'm almost done there.

• 30:19Jake Brennan?

  I'm also loving Sugar. I think I talked to you guys about Sugar last week. I can't remember. Sugar's great as well. Got a new episode to watch tonight, if I can make it that far. And then of course, I'm watching everything Zeth Lundie tells me to watch in the Hollywood Land screening room. If you don't know about the Hollywood Land screening room, it's Zeth's episode in the Hollywood Land feed on Fridays where we, he tees up a film that we watch over the weekend, required viewing. And then we come back and we talk about it week after. Clinton Reese on Patreon says, hey, I've been in the habit lately of pausing the screening room during the playlist segment and going to listen to the songs, The Good Doctor, that Seth puts me onto from his list. And I heard that Ariana song before. I just never learned what the hell the title was.

• 31:05Jake Brennan?

  Thank you, Zeth. See, I'm not going to tell you what the title of that song is here. You're gonna have to go to the screening room and check that out. Point is, we're learning stuff together in the screening room, not just about music, but not just about movies, but about the music in the movies as well. Okay. And we get to our recommendation, my music recommendations, jumping off of our movie conversation that happens in the Hollywood Land rap party every week. We had a great one this week. We were discussing songs about fashion. Okay, this stems from our Gianni Versace episode. And I went deep into some wormholes here and pulled out some choice nugs that you're likely not going to get anywhere else. And I can't wait for you to hear this. Go to Hollywood Land and subscribe on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 31:51Jake Brennan?

  You get three episodes a week over there. Two of them are new. One of them's an archive. Plenty of content, great conversation with Zeth. He is a master. Make sure you're checking that out. Zeth and I also talk once a month, for now anyways, once a month about our favorite music from our favorite movies. It's our music in film video podcast called This Film Should Be Played Loud. And we just, uh, we got a new one coming next week, right? Or at the end of the month, whenever that is, on Do The Right Thing. And I just, I just watched the cut this morning. It's the, by far the best one we've done yet. It's so good.

• 32:33Jake Brennan?

  It's a, it's a movie that we clearly both love. The music in this movie is about as impactful as music in a movie can get. Spike Lee does things in a way that other filmmakers do not when it comes to music. So it kicked off a great conversation and just, you know, sweet Dick Willie, man. Sweet Dick Willie's a poet and he needs to be celebrated as much as possible in culture. And I don't think that Sweet Dick Willie has gotten enough of a shake, if you know what I'm saying. And, uh, we, we, we give all the shakes to Sweet Dick Willie in This Film Should Be Played Loud. Matt, give us a little, uh, give us a little taste, will you?

• 33:10Jake Brennan?

  All the sort of like hemming and hawing over the influence of Public Enemy on white America and whatever. You know what I mean? Like we were what they were worried about, you know? We were the kids in suburbia that were hearing this shit, you know? And, and it really, it really changed me. And literally it forced me to seek out Malcolm X and to read his autobiography. And it forced me to really, I mean, that video was like, it was chilling. Oh, the video that's intrinsically, it's intrinsically involved with this film. Right, right. And the whole thing together was just like, it was like a wake up call that summer, you know? I say summer, I feel like I watched it during the summer because summer is such the theme of the movie and the song and the video.

• 33:55Jake Brennan?

  Yeah, yeah. But, um, I do remember, I remember hanging up on High Street in Clinton with my friends and, you know, looking for a buyer and listening to the song when it came out on a boombox and like just, it was constantly being played. It was, it was a big part of our, our little zeitgeist. This was, this was my intro to like hip hop, to like real hip hop, you know? Not, uh, no shade to like Tone Loc or anything, but like, you know what I mean? And unlike you, I wasn't really familiar with Public Enemy until this song happened. And this song just like grabbed me and would not let go. And, um, and like I said, this was where I was like, shit, this music is electric. You know, and I need to hear more of it. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's my favorite Public Enemy recording. It is, it is everything.

• 34:39Jake Brennan?

  And I don't, I don't know much of, I know, I don't know much about the recording, but I, I know, you know, it's post Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, which is their classic album, right? That's the one that people consider like their kind of masterpiece. This comes out after it. Right after. But it comes out as a single. Right. First. Right. Well, it was conceived for this movie and it might be the single greatest moment in recorded music history where, where they had the explicit instructions where Spike Lee was like, you need to make the anthem of the summer. I need the biggest fucking song that's going to speak to this movie and speak to the culture and everything. Oh, my God. And they came through on this challenge, you know? I think Hank Shockley talked about how he wanted to make it sound like the streets of New York sounded at the time.

• 35:23Jake Brennan?

  Oh, he fucking killed it and, and, and. All right, that is a preview of our Do the Right Thing episode from this film, Should Be Played Loud. That's coming up, uh, end of this month. Go to disgracedpod.com to sign up to become an All Access member so you can, you can gain access to this film, Should Be Played Loud, over on Patreon. Next, we've already done the next month's. Next month is going to be on Licorice Pizza and then we need your help figuring out what we're doing beyond that. We'll get into the Patreon chat with all you and we'll do that together. Okay? Speaking of exclusive content, speaking of Zeth, we're talking about a lot of stuff in the exclusive section of this after party coming up right after this. We get into the World Cup.

• 36:03Jake Brennan?

  Um, I don't even remember what the point of our conversation was, but we, we just kind of fell into this conversation, a real kind of behind the scenes thing about what we're writing, uh, what's coming up next, uh, what we should be doing next, based in part on your recommendations. And, uh, we thought you guys would like it, bring you into the conversation, get in here with us. That's coming up for All Access members right now. All right, we'll be back after this.

• 36:40Jake Brennan?

  All right, we're back, we're ready to split. But before we do, just want to say that we mentioned Oasis, we mentioned Tupac, among others, in this episode. And of course, we have episodes on those artists, stories about those artists in our archive of over 270 artists at this point. Matt's gonna grab that episode info on those subjects and put them in the show notes here so you can easily navigate your way to those stories. Let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week, our new episode on Happy Mondays, that's available for you to check out right now. Number two, in the Rewind Slot this weekend, our classic two-part episode on the iconic Notorious B.I.G. Number three, next week, coming up, our new episode on Dolly Parton.

• 37:23Jake Brennan?

  Number four, Zeth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywoodland, so make sure you are subscribed. And I give you my music recommendations in the Rap Party over there in that feed. Number five, currently, this film should be played loud, the video podcast episode on Dazed and Confused is available right now. And our next episode on Do the Right Thing is coming July 29th. That's what it is, July 29th. Go to disgracypod.com to sign up to become an All-Access member and unlock exclusive content just like this, along with ad-free listening, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget Discos, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community

• 38:08Jake Brennan?

  of the obsessed, and no one cares about music books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do, and that's a disgrace. All right, back on January 17th, 1992, Happy Mondays landed in Barbados and all hell broke loose, and this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one. End of the Road from Boomerang. Boys to Men. Last week. One. Peak Position. One. Weeks on Chir. Nine. Number two. Baby. Baby. Baby. TLC. Last week. Two. Peak Position. Two. Weeks on Chir. Fifteen. Number three. Humping Around. Bobby Brown. Last week. Four. Peak Position. Three.

• 38:53Jake Brennan?

  Weeks on Chir. Six. Number four. November Rain. Guns and Roses. Last week. Three. Peak Position. Three. Weeks on Chir. Twelve. Number five. St. John's.

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