467: An Octopolis of Octopui

How did John approach writing dual narrators? Is there more air or water on Earth? How do book tours choose their stops? How late is too late to send a thank you card? Why do people say “it” when talking about weather? Why don’t Americans look at how other countries deal with the same problems? What is the symbol in the Dear Hank and John logo? …Hank and John Green have answers! If you're in need of dubious advice, email us at [email protected] Join us for monthly livestreams at patreon.com/dearhankandjohn Produced for Hank and John Green by Complexly See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:01Hank Green?

  You're listening to a Complexly podcast.

• 0:09Hank Green?

  Hello and welcome to Dear Hank and John.

• 0:12John Green?

  Or as I prefer to think of it, Dear John and Hank.

• 0:14Hank Green?

  It's a podcast where two brothers answer your questions, give you advice and bring you all the week's news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon. John, do you know why dinosaurs don't make good pets?

• 0:25John Green?

  Hmm, extinction?

• 0:29Hank Green?

  Because they're dead!

• 0:31John Green?

  Oh, I was right.

• 0:32Hank Green?

  You were right. You were right, but also the joke is technically wrong. Because actually, many dinosaurs do make good pets. I had a pet. I had several pet dinosaurs as I was growing up.

• 0:43John Green?

  You loved having a pet bird.

• 0:46Hank Green?

  We had the Finches. I had a Conyer, Rico.

• 0:49John Green?

  Your fascination with pet birds is almost repulsive to me.

• 0:57Hank Green?

  I really should have stayed at Finches. The Conyer was too smart to be in that situation.

• 1:06John Green?

  Yeah.

• 1:06Hank Green?

  I felt guilty about it my whole life.

• 1:09John Green?

  Oh, I wouldn't feel guilty about it your whole life, but yeah, that bird could have had probably a slightly better life in the wild.

• 1:16Hank Green?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:17John Green?

  Whereas Potato, my dog, would not have a better life in the wild. Like, there's no question that Potato's life is better in captivity.

• 1:27Hank Green?

  I wonder, because we keep the cats inside, but one of our cats really wants to be outside, and I wonder if Gummy Bear just would be happier not with us. I feel like he'd go out and come back, but like, I'm not 100% sure, you know?

• 1:46John Green?

  No, I think it would be a prodigal son story. Gummy Bear would be interested to know what's out there and then would find out and be like, alright, that was good.

• 1:52Hank Green?

  That's enough.

• 1:53John Green?

  Reminds me of my all-time favorite movie, Big Bird Comes Home, which I've never actually seen the end of because my son got so upset when Big Bird left home.

• 2:03Hank Green?

  Yeah. Yeah, there's a similar one where Big Bird gets lost at Christmas that Aron also really didn't like. And I was like, I bet this is gonna work out.

• 2:11John Green?

  Well, it's not just that it's gonna work out. As I kept trying to explain, the film is called Big Bird Comes Home. There is no way for the film to accomplish its stated goal other than for Big Bird to leave home.

• 2:22Hank Green?

  Cameo was actually a stray cat. Our previous cat was stray, lived in like a stray colony on the north side of Missoula. And man, she did not want to go back to that lifestyle. She was like, this is great. I lost a bunch of teeth somehow doing that, and nobody liked that. I got diseases. Yeah.

• 2:44John Green?

  Well, this is my big argument with people who think that, including Kurt Vonnegut, a writer I admire deeply. You know, Kurt Vonnegut, near the end of his life, was big on the idea that we should have stayed hunter-gatherers, or maybe we should go back to it. And I just couldn't disagree more. I don't want to be an outside cat.

• 3:02Hank Green?

  No. No, this is definitely better.

• 3:05John Green?

  Yeah, I like potting with my brother.

• 3:08Hank Green?

  Now, there are pieces of stuff that we have lost that I think that we should rediscover. But yeah, I do think that we can cause problems for ourselves when we think that the goal of everything is to make everything as convenient as possible and to eliminate all struggle. Like, we gotta not do that. There's reasons why doing stuff is good. But man, I tell you what, I'm glad that there are dentists.

• 3:34John Green?

  I'm glad there are dentists. I'm glad there's medicine. I'm grateful for all kinds. I'm grateful for the ability to talk with my brother, even though he lives far away from me. Admittedly, in a hunter-gatherer society, you'd live next door, so that would be kind of convenient.

• 3:47Hank Green?

  Yeah, but we wouldn't have Snickers or Pop Tarts.

• 3:51John Green?

  Not just that. I mean, we wouldn't have blueberries in January. And not just that, we wouldn't have an infant mortality rate hovering below 1%.

• 4:02Hank Green?

  That is a crazy thing. The, you know, this sort of like moment when we crossed globally, the infant mortality rate that we had had the whole time, you know? Just like, it stayed pretty steady there for, you know, 100,000-plus years.

• 4:19John Green?

  Yeah. Yeah. This is my big argument with people who are like, how can you bring a baby into this broken world? I'm like, this broken world is very bad. Don't get me wrong. It is a complete catastrophe. It is really worrisome in many important ways. But the idea that this broken world is somehow more broken than the previous broken worlds is ludicrous. Like,

• 4:43Hank Green?

  Just differently.

• 4:44John Green?

  Would I bring them into a world of absolute monarchy where they would, where they would, you know, live on subsistence wages as agricultural workers until they were 30 and died of tuberculosis?

• 4:57Hank Green?

  Yeah. A really interesting thing, I want you to do this. Can you make a video about the like, average age at death thing where everybody's like, the average, people died when they were 30? And it's like, well, no, the infant mortality rate dragged it way down. But then there's the opposite version. So if you like, take that myth, and you're like, no, people didn't die when they were 35, they died, you know, when they were older. And but then a further myth gets created that if you made it through childhood, you'd die when you were 70, which is also not true. The rate of death was high the whole time. Every age was an age at which you were more likely to die than you are today until you

• 5:40Hank Green?

  reach, you know, the 80s. And then it starts to even out some. But people were dying in their 40s, in their 20s, in their 50s, in their 60s. They were dying the whole time.

• 5:51John Green?

  Yeah, the biggest reason why overall life expectancy was so low was certainly child mortality, but it wasn't the only reason.

• 5:59Hank Green?

  Yeah. But there was no like, cliff at any point?

• 6:04John Green?

  No, there was no cliff. You were, you did, I think, the most common decade of death, if you made it past the age of 10, was in your 70s. But you still had an elevated risk versus today of dying in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, et cetera.

• 6:21Hank Green?

  Right, right. The most common decade of death was the 70s, but at the same time, you were unlikely to make it, like, you had a less than 50% chance of making it to your 70s.

• 6:34John Green?

  Well, much less than 50% chance because you had a less than 50% chance of making it to 10.

• 6:39Hank Green?

  The children. Yeah. Even if you were only looking at people who make it to 10. Because there's just like, people had a high rate of death at every year of their lives.

• 6:49John Green?

  Oh, they died from accidents all the time. Accident death rate was high, and the infection death rate was high.

• 6:55Hank Green?

  Poisoning, infectious, yeah.

• 6:56John Green?

  Yeah. I mean, we just had so little understanding of what was causing human suffering and so little ability to alleviate it. I think what makes this century unique and interesting and devastating in some ways is that we have more knowledge that we don't implement. And so I think people are

• 7:16Hank Green?

  It feels much more unjust.

• 7:18John Green?

  And the injustice, we're more alive to the injustice because we understand it as injustice, which we didn't always have past.

• 7:27Hank Green?

  Well, and also, like, people, wealthy people did have more opportunity to not die. But also, you know, kings would have eight children and two would survive to adulthood. You know, it wasn't a, that was a shared burden.

• 7:43John Green?

  In some ways, the kings would have it worse off because there would be all these doctors giving advice that was bad advice.

• 7:51Hank Green?

  Yeah.

• 7:52John Green?

  You know, like, have you tried rubbing a frog on it?

• 7:56Hank Green?

  Worse than that, I think. But don't rub frogs on it. I'll tell you that. That's not good.

• 8:02John Green?

  Oh, I should mention, my book Hollywood Ending comes out in six days as you're listening.

• 8:06Hank Green?

  Six days.

• 8:07John Green?

  Six days.

• 8:09Hank Green?

  The next podcast, it will be out.

• 8:12John Green?

  I know. This is the last one. You should come see me on tour. I should say that. Birmingham, Alabama, New York City, Tucson, Arizona, Portland, Maine. Come see me on tour. The other ones are sold out, except for Nashville. I don't think Nashville's sold out. Los Angeles is not sold out. Gainesville, Florida, as of recording anyway, is not sold out. So check it out. HollywoodEndingBook.com. You can also preorder a signed copy, although those are harder to come by, Hank. Amazon is out of their allotment. Yeah, this book has got some buzz behind it. People are saying good things. Booklist magazine called it a triumph.

• 8:50Hank Green?

  And what else could you want?

• 8:52John Green?

  Yeah, I mean, if you don't want to read a triumph, what's wrong with you?

• 8:55Hank Green?

  Well, I mean, mostly, I want to have written a triumph. All right, John, well, this first question is from Emily, who has read the book. I don't know how they got, I don't know how she got one, but

• 9:05John Green?

  There's a few arcs out there.

• 9:07Hank Green?

  The dual narration in Hollywood Ending must have been a bear to write. How did you approach writing dual narrators? And what were the biggest challenges? Voice, continuity, even plot structure? Do you have advice for writers who might also be writing for multiple narrators? I was so bad at this. I shouldn't say that, but I hated it.

• 9:26John Green?

  I had the great advantage of taking four years between narrators. And so in those four years, I became a different person and writer. And that allowed me, so Kai, who narrates about a little over half the book, is a guy who is on his first movie set, really. He doesn't have a lot of experience. He's very charismatic, but very raw. And Juniper, the girl in the book, has been, I mean, the woman, she's 22, has been working on sets since she was six years old. And she's extremely ambitious and hardworking and dedicated and kind of has a reputation for being difficult. But the reason she has that reputation is

• 10:09John Green?

  because she's a perfectionist. And like, why shouldn't you be? Why shouldn't you want to create art that's better, that's the best art you can possibly make? And I wrote from Kai's perspective first, and I thought the whole novel was going to be from Kai's perspective with sort of looking at Juniper, you know?

• 10:25Hank Green?

  Yeah.

• 10:26John Green?

  And then I realized a couple of years in that I needed to turn the camera around. And I was like, oh, that seems like a big challenge. So I just put it to the side and wrote the Anthropocene and reviewed.

• 10:39Hank Green?

  So really, it feels like more than four years then?

• 10:43John Green?

  Well, maybe four years later, I was like, all right, time to turn this camera around, see if we can write from Juniper's perspective. And I found that I could, but only because so much time had passed that I was like, I had done something else, you know, like, I was getting, I was getting a bunch of outside feedback for writing as myself, for writing nonfiction. And I felt like, I don't know, I just felt like I could do it suddenly. And Juniper's voice was harder for me, but also more fun to write. Sometimes like, we get confused about something fundamental about the human experience, Hank, which is that we think, and I did this when I was in high school, I still do it sometimes, we

• 11:26John Green?

  think that the opposite of fun is hard.

• 11:31Hank Green?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:32John Green?

  But in fact, hard work is often also very fun. It's just difficult.

• 11:41Hank Green?

  Yeah, there's like this thing where if it's hard, but you still feel good at it, you still feel like you're making some kind of progress, maybe that not good at it, but like getting better, or like creating something that feels, I don't know, like satisfying in some way, can be, it can be any kind of satisfying, that that hard is really good. And that might be climbing up a mountain, or it might be learning to play the piano, or it might be writing a character who's outside of your comfort zone.

• 12:14John Green?

  Right, right, exactly. It's not easy, but it's fun. It's fun because it's difficult.

• 12:23Hank Green?

  Easy is boring. Like, it can be.

• 12:26John Green?

  Easy can be boring.

• 12:28Hank Green?

  Yeah.

• 12:30John Green?

  That said, I do a lot of things that are easy. Like, I spend a lot of time on Instagram, and Instagram's pretty easy for me.

• 12:36Hank Green?

  Yeah, it's not boring. It's really designed to not be boring. If, if the one thing that they would like it to not be, anything but boring.

• 12:46John Green?

  Yeah. All right, Hank, I want to ask you a science question. Most of our questions this week are about Hollywood ending. Thank you, Rosiana. But we're gonna ask one science question.

• 12:54Hank Green?

  Okay.

• 12:55John Green?

  Ayumi writes, hi, John and Hank, I'm Ayumi, exclamation point. My boyfriend and I got into a heated discussion about whether there is more air or water on Earth by volume, assuming air pressure is the pressure at sea level. I think there is more air, but my boyfriend thinks there is more water. His logic is that the air gets thinner, higher up. So when it gets compressed down to the air pressure at sea level, it wouldn't take up as much space. Could you help us settle this one? Am I you or eh, am I you or I you me?

• 13:26Hank Green?

  Nice. Good pronunciation guide there. There's more air. Look, there's gonna be,

• 13:33John Green?

  I would have thought there's more water. There's so much water.

• 13:36Hank Green?

  Volume. If you're talking about volume, it's air.

• 13:39John Green?

  I'm talking about volume.

• 13:41Hank Green?

  Okay. Yeah, I mean, so, so certainly, if you're talking about volume of, of the atmosphere, there's way more of it. Because this is the thing about a gas, it takes up the size of its container, and the Earth doesn't have a container, and so it gets real fluffy up there, and kind of extends, you know, depending on how you count, maybe forever. So like, the atmosphere, the like, the top of the atmosphere is a line that is arbitrarily drawn by us making decisions, not by where the gas actually stops existing.

• 14:13John Green?

  Oh, really? You're telling me that there's air all the way to the sun? That does not make sense to me.

• 14:19Hank Green?

  Well, there's certainly stuff in the, in the space all the way out to the sun. So, so like, there's more stuff per unit, like even if you're just looking at the space, like that there's nothing in there. There's more stuff per unit of volume inside the solar system, like inside the orbit of Pluto, than outside the orbit of Pluto.

• 14:37John Green?

  Oh.

• 14:38Hank Green?

  So there's just like, it is more stuff. And one of the things that makes up that stuff is gas that's being tossed off of planets.

• 14:50John Green?

  So you're telling me that when like, a satellite is in orbit, it's really still on Earth in some ways?

• 14:58Hank Green?

  Yeah, I mean, it's definitely still inside of the area where there's more particles because of the Earth's atmosphere. And in fact, like, most, like, things in low Earth orbit, unless they just are going to de-orbit, they actually have to be able to boost themselves. Like, the International Space Station is always doing boosts because the atmosphere is slowing it down. If it gets super high up, that becomes less of an effect, but still a little bit of one. Except instead of like, being a situation where you might crash down to Earth in like, 50 years, it would be like 50,000, but still, fewer than like, a billion years. But Ayumi's boyfriend is, is correct to say, you can't really count that. What if you just like, smushed it all down to standard pressure? So if you just like, made

• 15:39Hank Green?

  it all, all of the atmosphere, pushed it down into one atmosphere of pressure, then,

• 15:46Hank Green?

  and had there be like, a sharp cutoff, in that case, there would still be more atmosphere, but not as much as I was actually expecting. Like, I was expecting to be orders of magnitude, and it's like, three times more.

• 15:58John Green?

  Okay.

• 15:59Hank Green?

  So.

• 15:59John Green?

  So there is more air than water, but only by 3X if you're counting, if you're equalizing for pressure.

• 16:07Hank Green?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you, if you, if you like, made Earth like, equally, like, entirely smooth, then the Earth's water would make a layer about 2.7 kilometers deep, and the compressed atmosphere would make a layer about eight kilometers deep.

• 16:23John Green?

  That sounds like a cool planet, actually.

• 16:26Hank Green?

  Yeah, well, very wet. Not, not, not one that I'd like. As we said last episode, ocean bad.

• 16:31John Green?

  That's true. Ocean, ocean does not belong to us, it belongs to the others. You could still have cool life, though. You could still have really cool life. You could have

• 16:39Hank Green?

  Oh, for sure.

• 16:40John Green?

  advanced dolphins, advanced octopodes, et cetera.

• 16:43Hank Green?

  Doing stuff, yeah.

• 16:45John Green?

  Yeah. I can't believe I got away with saying octopodes as a plural for octopus, but I did, I did, I did.

• 16:51Hank Green?

  You can do whatever, you can do whatever you want. Like, at this point, if somebody pluralized octopuses in a way that, that I'd never heard before, I'd be like, okay, I am gonna accept that we don't know how to do this one.

• 17:04John Green?

  What's a good, there's octopuses, there's octopodes, there's octopi. What about octopoe? Octopolis, of course. What about octopoe?

• 17:13Hank Green?

  Octopui. Yeah, we should start doing that. Yeah.

• 17:17John Green?

  We should see, we should see, insert it into a script in Hank's channel and see if you can get away with it.

• 17:25Hank Green?

  And be like, no, no, no, no, no, you guys don't understand. The technical pluralization of octopuses is octopoe. I've done the research.

• 17:32John Green?

  Yeah.

• 17:32Hank Green?

  I did the math.

• 17:34John Green?

  It goes all the way back to the 13th century, octopoe.

• 17:38Hank Green?

  It's yes.

• 17:39John Green?

  And just lie.

• 17:40Hank Green?

  The Pope said so.

• 17:44John Green?

  As you can see from this recent encyclical on AI, he mentions in a footnote that the plural of octopus is octopoe.

• 17:53Hank Green?

  No, it was an old encyclical from the 12th century.

• 17:56John Green?

  Oh, okay, an old encyclical, yes.

• 17:58Hank Green?

  Yeah, yeah, he was defining the fishes.

• 18:00John Green?

  I only trust the current Pope when it comes to encyclicals.

• 18:05John Green?

  All right, we got another question from Lillian, who writes, dear John and Hank, I was looking up tour dates for John's new book, Hollywood Ending, available for preorder now. This joke is gonna die, Hank. This is the last episode where that joke exists.

• 18:17Hank Green?

  It's the only reason we could get away with it right now.

• 18:19John Green?

  I live in Texas, and I'm sad you're not stopping in Texas. On the one hand, come to Texas, we're the second biggest state population wise, and we've got great cities. So surely lots of people would come to the show. You're so right, Lillian. I'm so annoyed that I'm not going to Texas, and I'll tell you why in a minute. On the other hand, Texas has no shortage of problems. Well, Lillian, that's not a deal breaker for me, obviously. I'm going to a lot of states that have problems, including like, where I live. If I was going to go to places with fewer problems, I would only go to Canada. All right. I don't generally sing its praises, so I can't really fault you. What's your reason for not coming to Texas? More generally, how do you decide where to go on tour? Are there special analytics? Do you throw darts on a board? Is it based on dream vacation spots? Pumpkins and penguins?

• 19:02John Green?

  I have no idea what that means. Lillian, nobody does, Lillian. You're good, you're good.

• 19:06Hank Green?

  I've forgotten its origin, even.

• 19:08John Green?

  Hank, do you know why you went on tour to the places you went on tour?

• 19:16Hank Green?

  Yeah, yeah, I think that, I think that it's just sort of like, we're trying to make things work.

• 19:23John Green?

  Well, there is an element of we're trying to make things work with flights and whatnot, but it's not all that. So this is actually a really interesting, complicated thing in the world of publishing. A lot has to be considered. Yes, whether or not flights will work, but a big thing that has to be considered is especially for authors that have a large following, who will sell a lot of books, is two questions. One, has the bookstore in question been adequately supported by large events already this year by that publisher? Like, is Rebecca Yaros going to that store or that town? And if she is, maybe they don't also need a Lee Bardugo event.

• 20:08Hank Green?

  Oh, wow. Okay. So the publishing industry is looking at like the favors they've done for bookstores previously?

• 20:16John Green?

  It's not really favors necessarily. It's more like, we want all of these bookstores all around the United States to thrive.

• 20:23Hank Green?

  Okay.

• 20:24John Green?

  And events are an important, big events are an important way that they thrive.

• 20:27Hank Green?

  Interesting. Geez, this is complicated.

• 20:30John Green?

  And then another consideration.

• 20:31Hank Green?

  It's funny, because when you, when you asked me when I, when I went on tour, I was imagining comedy and, and music, not my book tour, which I don't remember at all. The comedy and music is very much like, whatever we can make work, we have to call the venues and grind this out until we're not, we're not driving through the middle of the night and killing ourselves.

• 20:52John Green?

  And to be fair, that was the case for our book tours for a long time, right? Like, before The Fault in Our Stars, like, our book tours were grinding it out, driving in the middle of the night, in a minivan. So, I mean, I say our book tours, my book tours, that you graciously went on out of the kindness of your heart. But the other consideration is, if the author publishes a book every year, does the author want to go to all, all the same cities? Now, I don't want to go to all the same cities, right? Because I want to meet new people, I want to have opportunities to talk to people from different newspapers, whatever, whatever, whatever.

• 21:30Hank Green?

  Yeah.

• 21:31John Green?

  And so, I had a tour last year for Everything is Tuberculosis, where I did go to Texas, where I did go to the Pacific Northwest. And so, the thought was, well, this year, we won't go to those places, because we went there last year. Instead, we'll go to places like Boise, Idaho, and Tucson, Arizona, and Portland, Maine, that you've never been to, or haven't been to in a long time. And that's the thinking. Now, would I prefer to go to Austin or Houston every year? Yeah, I love Austin, I love Houston. Like, those places, I do great in those places. I do amazing in the Pacific Northwest. Like, I would sell a, a Pacific Northwest show, no problem. But I also want to meet new nerd fighters. Like, I want to have different people, give different people an opportunity to see me,

• 22:16John Green?

  to experience like what it's like to be in a room full of people who like the same thing, who may not have an opportunity to be in that room very often, et cetera. So, all of that factors in. I'm sorry that I'm not going to Texas, I do feel really bad about it, but I could not extend the tour by another week.

• 22:34Hank Green?

  Are you going to Florida at all?

• 22:36John Green?

  Yeah, I'm going to Gainesville.

• 22:38Hank Green?

  Okay. So this is a thing about, can I say, and I, I know that there are people in Florida who are listening to me talk right now.

• 22:45John Green?

  Tens of millions of them.

• 22:47Hank Green?

  I just feel, well, I don't.

• 22:48John Green?

  Oh, oh.

• 22:49Hank Green?

  It's a top podcast for Florida teens.

• 22:52John Green?

  Is there anyone listening outside of Florida?

• 22:57Hank Green?

  Hold on, hold on a second. There are tens, if there are tens of millions of people listening to this podcast, we're under production value. So, uh, but, but like, I just think that we, like, of the states, we are tiny, and like, Florida hates us. It's just, like, there's just, our vibe and Florida's vibe have a hard time overlapping.

• 23:21John Green?

  Which is funny, because we're from Florida.

• 23:24Hank Green?

  We are Florida boys.

• 23:26John Green?

  But you mean that we don't draw well in Florida?

• 23:28Hank Green?

  We don't draw well in Florida, when I've gone to Florida to do stuff.

• 23:32John Green?

  Yeah, I mean, I think that the show in, in Gainesville will sell out, because it's in a big college town. Like, being in a big college town is a huge, huge advantage for me.

• 23:42Hank Green?

  Yep.

• 23:43John Green?

  And, and this bookstore, The Links, is amazing. It's owned by Warren Groff, they do an amazing job of hosting events. And that's the other thing, right? Is that you've got to consider, like, do bookstores do an amazing job of hosting events and have a lot of experience hosting big events and getting their customers excited about events, like, things like that? There's so many things to consider. Anyway, point being, we do not do well in Florida. I remember we were in Seaside, Florida, for like, a week in 2012, right when The Fault in Our Stars came out, and we called it the world capital of teenagers who don't know who we are.

• 24:17Hank Green?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:18John Green?

  Like, everywhere we went, we would be with teenagers, and usually, back in 2012, when we were with teenagers, we'd be like, oh, boy. Here we go. They're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna want selfies, but the ones in Seaside, Florida, were like, who the hell are you?

• 24:31Hank Green?

  I did a planetarium in Miami, which is like, the coolest thing. It's like, Hank Green.

• 24:38John Green?

  You played a planetarium?

• 24:39Hank Green?

  At a planetarium, and it had like, 50 seats, and it was not half-full.

• 24:43John Green?

  You didn't sell it out.

• 24:45Hank Green?

  No.

• 24:46John Green?

  You know the worst place I ever drew? My worst draw ever? I mean, obviously, like, when I was starting out, like, my, my first, like, three books, I never had more than six people at an event. So that was my worst draw ever. But like, my, um, my worst draw after, after The Fault in Our Stars, by far, the World Economic Forum in Davos.

• 25:06Hank Green?

  Oh, John.

• 25:08John Green?

  That place was empty.

• 25:09Hank Green?

  How did you get to?

• 25:10John Green?

  Those billionaires were not interested in my feedback.

• 25:13Hank Green?

  Oh, man. Yeah, but that makes sense.

• 25:20John Green?

  Richard Branson had other plans.

• 25:23Hank Green?

  I can't believe you did that. It's so funny. It would never occur to me to say, it would never occur to me to say yes to that.

• 25:29John Green?

  I don't know why I said yes. I mean, look, I have, I haven't said yes since, but like, I, I, I felt like, I was like, oh, I, I remember what I thought. I thought, oh, this is a great opportunity to talk about global health to powerful people. But it turns out, it was a great opportunity to talk about global health to an empty room.

• 25:47Hank Green?

  Oh, boy. Well, you know, I will say, that planetarium show kicked ass. We, it was great.

• 25:53John Green?

  Yeah. Well, in fact, today's podcast is brought to you by Hank's Planetarium Show in Miami in 2017. Hank's Planetarium Show in Miami, it kicked ass.

• 26:03Hank Green?

  This podcast is also brought to you by Rubbing a Frog on It. Rubbing a Frog on It, you never know!

• 26:08John Green?

  And today's podcast is brought to you by a flat planet with 2.7 kilometers of ocean covering it entirely. A flat planet with 2.7 kilometers of ocean covering it entirely. It doesn't sound that bad.

• 26:20Hank Green?

  Doesn't sound that bad. As long as you're a dolphin.

• 26:23John Green?

  I mean, it's great news if you're a dolphin.

• 26:26Hank Green?

  And this podcast is brought to you by Octopwe. The, all of the Octopwe of the world, gathering to say, look, this is how it's pronounced!

• 26:36John Green?

  What do you call a gathering of octopi?

• 26:39Hank Green?

  Careful!

• 26:41John Green?

  I know, I almost made a mistake there.

• 26:43Hank Green?

  I'm gonna Google it. Of octa, of juculos was the oct.

• 26:50John Green?

  That's it.

• 26:51Hank Green?

  Why, why was that? A gathering of octa, it's called a consortium.

• 27:00John Green?

  A consortium?

• 27:01Hank Green?

  The most commonly suggested name. A tangle, a knot, or an armload, also. If, if it's a whole city of them.

• 27:09John Green?

  It's a consortium.

• 27:10Hank Green?

  You can call it an octopolis.

• 27:11John Green?

  An octopolis of Octopwe.

• 27:14Hank Green?

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• 27:55Hank Green?

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• 28:23Hank Green?

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• 29:07Hank Green?

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• 29:57Hank Green?

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• 30:42Hank Green?

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• 31:27Hank Green?

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• 32:09John Green?

  All right, we gotta answer more questions Hank. We've been going real slow today.

• 32:12Hank Green?

  I got one. This next question comes from Zofia who asks, Dear Hank and John, what is the statute of limitations for thank you cards? I had every intention of writing a thank you card to a family who gave me a campus tour of the university they work out, but I never ended up writing one. This was a year ago. Can I still send them a thank you card? Thank you, Zofia.

• 32:31John Green?

  No.

• 32:32Hank Green?

  Yes.

• 32:34John Green?

  Okay, well, it's our first ever brotherly argument. I think we should cancel the entire podcast.

• 32:39Hank Green?

  Never happened before.

• 32:40John Green?

  A year?

• 32:41Hank Green?

  A year, yeah. There's several ways that you can do this. They're not the normal ways though. You can't just send them a thank you card anymore.

• 32:49John Green?

  Correct.

• 32:50Hank Green?

  Way number one, you gotta recognize that you like every day that you haven't thanked them, you are accruing interest on the gratitude. So you're not less grateful now, which is how you feel. You feel a little less grateful now. It's just like not as big of a deal in your life as it is right afterward, which is why it's good to get the thank you cards quickly. But you gotta, you gotta put how you feel to the side because actually your gratitude must, must be higher. So there is, there's interest accruing and so you have to be more grateful. Uh, and so maybe instead of just a card, it's a card with some, a little bag of tea from, from Keats and Co. or something.

• 33:32Hank Green?

  Uh, or, or I think the better way to go is you send a thank you card, but before it leaves your house, it looks like it has been to hell and back.

• 33:47John Green?

  It's got like return to sender on it 16 times.

• 33:49Hank Green?

  It's been all over, all over the world. Been everywhere. It's been stepped on.

• 33:56John Green?

  It's got Zambian postage on it.

• 33:58Hank Green?

  A machine for months.

• 34:01John Green?

  Yeah. No, I think what you do is you, you get the person a book from your library, from your existing collection of books and you said, I read this book and thought of you and I was reminded how grateful I am for that campus tour you gave me all those many months ago.

• 34:18Hank Green?

  John, I can't help but have had. Zofia, I can't help but have had an legitimate business idea here. Which is to create a whole new kind of card.

• 34:30John Green?

  greeting cards?

• 34:32Hank Green?

  They're called vintage thank you cards and they're thank yous for things that happened a long time ago.

• 34:38John Green?

  It's a good idea. It's not a bad idea.

• 34:40Hank Green?

  They're like, they're, yeah, yeah. Or maybe, look, maybe this, hold on, maybe it's not a product. It's just a movement.

• 34:48John Green?

  I was gonna say, why does everything have to be a business? Why can't it just be a movement?

• 34:54Hank Green?

  A business. Maybe we just start doing this.

• 34:57John Green?

  Yeah.

• 34:58Hank Green?

  If anybody sends a vintage thank you card, let me know. Uh, don't tell John. Let us know in the Dear Hank and John inbox. I would love to know if people send little vintage thank you cards to people. I should do that too. The things that I, that I'm grateful for, that I never thanked people for officially.

• 35:18John Green?

  All right, Hank, we got another question from Winnie. Winnie writes, Dear John and Hank, I'm nine. My name's Winnie. I've noticed that when people talk about the weather, they say it. What does this mean? What is the it in it rained? Seriously though, I don't know. She's not windy, she's Winnie.

• 35:35Hank Green?

  She's, yeah. It, but it is windy.

• 35:39John Green?

  I have no idea.

• 35:41Hank Green?

  Uh, I looked into this once. Somebody, somebody has asked me this question or I had this thought because I have, I have gone down this research rabbit hole before and it is just it.

• 35:54John Green?

  Well, it is, is the weather, right? Like it is a shorthand for the weather. And when you say like, so you say it is cold outside, you're saying the weather is cold outside.

• 36:05Hank Green?

  Eh, are you?

• 36:08John Green?

  Yeah. And, and there are other times when you do this. Not a lot of them, but there are other times.

• 36:14Hank Green?

  Like what, mister, I know so much?

• 36:17John Green?

  It looks like I'm gonna die today.

• 36:20Hank Green?

  It looks, it looks like I'm gonna die today. It. The situation at large. Because I don't think it is the weather. I don't think it is the weather.

• 36:30John Green?

  It's the situation at large. The situation at large is cold. The situation at large looks like I'm gonna die today. Winnie, I'm sorry I brought death into this conversation. I know you're only nine.

• 36:40Hank Green?

  It's okay. I got a nine year old who thinks about death. Um, it, yeah, I like this because it is like the whole considerable sensorium.

• 36:53John Green?

  Yes. The whole considerable sensorium looks like it's gonna die today.

• 36:58Hank Green?

  No, no, no. The whole considerable.

• 37:01John Green?

  Bad news Winnie.

• 37:02Hank Green?

  Makes, makes me feel like I'm going to die today. It looks, it doesn't look like it's going to die today.

• 37:14Hank Green?

  But I, the thing that I remember is that like there, there are languages where you don't have to do this, but we need a pronoun in the sentence. So we like have to force a pronoun into the sentence for the sentence to make sense. And so we like grab the most generic one out and use that.

• 37:31John Green?

  If we said, she looks like I'm gonna die today, it would be very confusing.

• 37:35Hank Green?

  For sure, unless she was doing something very specific.

• 37:41John Green?

  She looks like I'm going to die today is not a good sentence.

• 37:44Hank Green?

  It is if, uh, I think it's a lovely sentence if like you are being encountered by a person who looks like they're gonna kill you.

• 37:54John Green?

  She looks, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so. She looks like I'm gonna die today. That's true. That's a good sentence.

• 37:59Hank Green?

  I looked in her eyes and she looked like I'm gonna die today.

• 38:02John Green?

  Yeah.

• 38:03Hank Green?

  Yeah. I love that. That's a cool, that's a cool turn.

• 38:06John Green?

  That is, that's not bad. I'm gonna use that in my next book.

• 38:10Hank Green?

  It's like, it's probably in Kill Bill, you know?

• 38:12John Green?

  Probably is. All right, Hank, before we get to the all important news from Mars and AFC Wimbledon, I want to ask you one more question from Manuel who writes, Dear John and Hank. And this is a brutal question Hank, just prepare yourself. I'm from Spain. Manuel, as we've established many times on this podcast, you're not allowed to brag about where you're from. Okay? Not allowed to brag about your EU passport, your social media.

• 38:34Hank Green?

  Oh, is it sunny?

• 38:36John Green?

  Oh yeah. Oh my God, it only rains in the plains, yada, yada, yada.

• 38:40Hank Green?

  Can you get on a train and then go to Paris?

• 38:43John Green?

  You get on a train? Actually, cancel that. Can you get on a train?

• 38:51Hank Green?

  Oh, ooh.

• 38:52John Green?

  Wow, Mr. Fancy Pants over here has public transport.

• 38:58Hank Green?

  How's the sun every day?

• 39:00John Green?

  Yeah, all right. I've noticed something that genuinely puzzles me. Whenever we have a problem here in Spain, again, Manuel, you don't have to bring it up.

• 39:08Hank Green?

  I think they have problems.

• 39:09John Green?

  We instinctively look abroad. How does Finland run its schools? How does Switzerland run its democracy? It's reflexive. The news does it. Politicians do it. Everyone does it. But I listen to the daily from the New York Times every single day. And I almost never hear Americans ask, how does another country handle this? And on the rare occasion they do. You've Manuel, there is an answer to this, but you're not going to like.

• 39:33Hank Green?

  Yeah.

• 39:33John Green?

  On the rare occasions they do, it's always Canada or the UK. Because we only read in English, Manuel. So my question is, why? Is it size? Is it self-confidence? Is it something in the water? What does a country lose when it stops looking outward? And is America losing it? Lots and yes, always reading everyone else's manual. Manuel from Madrid. Oh, great. He's not even just from Spain. He's from the best part of Spain.

• 39:56Hank Green?

  Oh, how's your great soccer team? Boo.

• 39:59John Green?

  Congratulations on your 15 Champions Leagues. All right. It is precisely because, and I think about this all the time. I think it is a larger problem in the United States when they do the weather. Okay, like on the Today Show in the morning, which is a national show shown all around the country. When they do the weather in the morning, they do the weather in America.

• 40:23Hank Green?

  Yeah.

• 40:23John Green?

  The weather has to be so bad somewhere else for them to mention the existence of weather elsewhere.

• 40:29Hank Green?

  Yeah, yeah, it has to be like, like hundreds of people dying. It's like dozens of people dying there.

• 40:37John Green?

  It has to be catastrophic to even get a mention. And so you never think about the fact that it's dry or raining in Sierra Leone or in Madrid. You never think about the fact that it's hot or cold or on fire or whatever.

• 40:49Hank Green?

  We simply don't know.

• 40:51John Green?

  We simply don't know. And so we are not exposed to the way other countries do things. And then there is an element of American exceptionalism here, I think, Hank, and you can confirm or deny this, where we also think that we are the leaders of the world and so have nothing to learn from the world. And when people bring up the fact that in fact, we're not leaders in the world and lots of countries have higher life expectancy than we do, or higher average income, or less poverty, or whatever metric you want, fewer gun deaths, whatever metric you want to use, people get very brusque and bristily about that. And they feel like, well, that's, that wouldn't be possible in a country the size of the United States, or that wouldn't be possible in the United States. And it's a real problem.

• 41:36John Green?

  And I think you've identified something really important about American political discourse.

• 41:40Hank Green?

  Yeah, I think in particular in politics, like you can't, as a person running for office in America, be like, but, but like, they do it this way in the Nordics. And it's like, yeah, what are you saying? That like, we'd be better if we weren't America? Boo. And it's very hard to sort of imagine that we could take advice from other, other places. I will say at the same time, two things. First, we have states to compare between. So that's what we do a lot is we're like, here's how they do it in California. And like, every state has its own frickin' rules and laws.

• 42:15John Green?

  We have relatively powerful states here, relative to like, most European countries.

• 42:20Hank Green?

  And then second, we do do this. We just don't do it in like, the broad political discourse. Like, in the gun control debate, Australia is brought up a lot as a country that once had guns and changed its laws. In the healthcare debate, it is very often brought up that we're the only one like this. We're the only one. It's, that's very common to be like, there's only one country where, like, developed, rich country that does not have universal healthcare. And it's us. There are lots of different ways to do that universal healthcare. But it is, it is, I think, in my circles, anyway, frequently discussed.

• 42:59John Green?

  We're also the only country that spends 18% of its GDP on healthcare. So in addition to getting really bad outcomes, we spend way more money.

• 43:06Hank Green?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We get great outcomes for the very rich, though, so.

• 43:11John Green?

  We do. We do. To be fair, we get pretty good outcomes for the really rich. We don't actually get universally good outcomes for the really rich, because we still have a lot of chronic illness. But yeah, we get, we get pretty good outcomes for, you know. Yeah, that's true.

• 43:26Hank Green?

  And I guess that's our priority, John. All right, John. This next question is from Ally, who asks, Dear Hank and John, I was just listening to your podcast, that I've been listening to for three years now. And I went to go pause and I noticed that the yellow circle in your logo is not just a yellow circle. There's a symbol of some kind within slash behind it. What is this? And why is it there? And has it always been there? Sincerely, questioning everything I see, Ally. Boy, I love the idea that we just snuck this in one day. I, we should just keep changing it. It should, it should be different all the time.

• 44:00John Green?

  What is it? I don't even know.

• 44:01Hank Green?

  Do you know what it is? Yeah, it's the.

• 44:04John Green?

  Let me look, let me look real quick. I mean, I've never looked at our logo before in a meaningful way.

• 44:08Hank Green?

  Yeah.

• 44:08John Green?

  Um, no, it's just a circle.

• 44:11Hank Green?

  No, look, look at it. Click on it.

• 44:14John Green?

  Oh, there's a little something back there. It's the Nerd Fightaria logo.

• 44:19Hank Green?

  Yeah, it's the nerd, it's the Nerd Fightaria crest.

• 44:22John Green?

  When did we insert that?

• 44:23Hank Green?

  Designed, I believe, by Von Del Swain, I think, is who designed that.

• 44:25John Green?

  Von Del Swain designed that. When was that? Added? When was that added?

• 44:30Hank Green?

  It's been there the whole time. I made this logo and I put it there.

• 44:33John Green?

  Oh, I had no idea. I thought it was just a circle.

• 44:38Hank Green?

  Yeah, it's there.

• 44:40John Green?

  Wow, cool. Good job, good logo design.

• 44:43Hank Green?

  No, thanks. It's, it's a little unbalanced now that I'm looking at it, but it's fine.

• 44:47John Green?

  You did your best. Speaking of doing your best, AFC Wimbledon are about to play as I speak to you, Hank.

• 44:53Hank Green?

  Okay. Get it, get it, AFC Wimbledon.

• 44:59John Green?

  AFC Wimbledon will be playing Burton. Burton. I mean, these team names, they just, they feel fictional. It's Burton Albion FC. The Owls.

• 45:10Hank Green?

  The Owls?

• 45:11John Green?

  No, I think they're the, I think they're the, they're the Brewers. Because Burton upon Trent was the brewing area of England.

• 45:21Hank Green?

  Yeah. Good.

• 45:23John Green?

  They play in yellow and black. I do like a yellow and black kit.

• 45:27Hank Green?

  I like a yellow and a black logo, I gotta say.

• 45:29John Green?

  You know who plays for Burton Albion? Joe Louis, formerly of AFC Wimbledon, the guy who I helped pay for to bring into the football club, left us for Burton Albion.

• 45:41Hank Green?

  Boo, I want to go brew.

• 45:43John Green?

  Yeah. Yeah, what are you gonna do, man? He went to go live his best life in Burton.

• 45:50Hank Green?

  Yeah. Do they move? Do they go live in different places?

• 45:53John Green?

  Oh, yeah, no, they don't just like, you can't like, take the train every morning for, to, you know, from London to Burton in order to enjoy your training session or whatever.

• 46:02Hank Green?

  I just assumed that you could. That's, that's how unfamiliar I am with trains.

• 46:06John Green?

  Yeah, I know, we're, we're far removed from trains. But I believe, if I'm not mistaken, let me look up where Burton is real quick. Burton is, in my opinion, not close to London. It looks like it's in the Midlands.

• 46:19Hank Green?

  Hmm. I just assumed that England is like, kind of walkable, the whole thing.

• 46:23John Green?

  Right, it does feel that way, doesn't it?

• 46:25Hank Green?

  Scotland's only probably like, two days away, by foot.

• 46:30John Green?

  By foot.

• 46:33Hank Green?

  That's gotta be right, right?

• 46:34John Green?

  No, it's a, it's both a big country and a small island.

• 46:37Hank Green?

  I did say in a script recently, in a video, that Wales is three days walk from London, and everybody gave me a hard time about it. But like, it's technically true, as long as you do not rest.

• 46:49John Green?

  Right, you just gotta walk the whole time. Like, that, that Stephen King story.

• 46:53Hank Green?

  The Walk?

• 46:54John Green?

  I think it's called The Long Walk.

• 46:56Hank Green?

  Oh, wow. I did good. I was really a guest.

• 47:01John Green?

  You gotta walk at four miles an hour consistently, or you get shot.

• 47:06Hank Green?

  Oh, that's bad.

• 47:07John Green?

  It's a, it's a reality TV show featuring youths.

• 47:11Hank Green?

  Oh. I, oh, I think I've seen, I think I've seen clips of this turned into a TV show or movie.

• 47:20John Green?

  Correct.

• 47:21Hank Green?

  That's how I consume media now.

• 47:23John Green?

  Oh, God. God help us. What's the news from Mars, Hank?

• 47:25Hank Green?

  In Mars news, Blue Origin has won the NASA contract for telecommunications on Mars. This is important. We must telecommunications with Mars. So this is a deal worth potentially $700 million. They're creating just a telecommunications orbiter that will be in use by 2028. I think that the.

• 47:46John Green?

  Just in time for there to be people on Mars.

• 47:49Hank Green?

  I think that literally the date where the contract says it has to be there by is the last day of 2028. So it's the, it's the day before the podcast changes names. I have to do a new logo.

• 48:04John Green?

  You do.

• 48:05Hank Green?

  Oh, no. I definitely don't have the source files for that, but I, I think I know what font it is, so.

• 48:11John Green?

  You'll figure it out.

• 48:12Hank Green?

  I can do it. And one of the things that we're running into as we do all of this great space stuff is that we're running, like, it, we're bandwidth constrained. So, for example, the Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope is going out to where the web telescope is. And so they're going to be out there together. And the Roman is going to be sending like, 10 times more data back, because.

• 48:37John Green?

  Oh, wow.

• 48:37Hank Green?

  It's just a much, it's better at gathering a lot of data. And you have to be able to get all of that to Earth. And if that breaks, it doesn't matter how good the pictures are if we can't see them. And then you think about Voyager, so like, all the way out there, past the edge of the solar system, still sending information back. Voyager is mostly a satellite dish for sending high-energy radio waves to Earth. And so like, you have to, you have to figure this stuff out. And there's actually a big limitation. One of the fun ideas is, boy, wouldn't it be cool if we could send a lot of cheaper stuff out into the solar system or to Mars? But it doesn't matter if you don't have the bandwidth to send the data back and to send

• 49:22Hank Green?

  the commands there to make the things all do things. So we need these telecommunications systems to handle that bandwidth and be able to get it back to us and also, you know, figure stuff out for when, you know, Mars might be behind the sun and we can't talk to it, or the various orbiters are in various places and they're sending data between them, et cetera.

• 49:42John Green?

  Well, congrats to Jeff Bezos on his big win.

• 49:46Hank Green?

  Blue Origin. I actually never thought about the origin of that name. Is it because we came from the ocean? Everything is really Blue Origin, especially the octopi.

• 49:58John Green?

  I don't like that he now owns part of my childhood football club. But fortunately, I'm an AFC Wimbledon fan and they're owned by their fans.

• 50:06Hank Green?

  That's right. He bought a children's sports team?

• 50:11John Green?

  No, no, no, he bought a grown-up sports team that I rooted for as a child and still root for, at Liverpool.

• 50:17Hank Green?

  Okay.

• 50:17John Green?

  I am going to go now to do the Patreon livestream that we do once a month. Hank is gonna go there as well. So if you want to be part of that, you can join us at patreon.com/dearhankandjohn. Thank you for your emails at [email protected]. And Hank, thank you for podding with me.

• 50:33Hank Green?

  Of course, I'm happy to. And if you send any vintage thank you cards, please let us know.

• 50:39John Green?

  Indeed.

• 50:40Hank Green?

  This podcast is edited by Linus Obenhause. It's mixed by Joseph Tuna Metish. Our marketing specialist is Brooke Shotwell. It's produced by Rosiana Halsrohas and Hannah West. Our executive producer is Seth Radley. Our editorial assistant is Tabuki Chakravarti. The music you're hearing now and at the beginning of the podcast is by the great Gunarola. And as they say in our hometown, don't forget to be awesome.