#426 - "I Scanned Egypt's Labyrinth & the Results Got Me Exiled" (Scans Revealed) | Louis De Cordier

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Louis de Cordier is a Belgian researcher who led the 2008 Mataha Expedition looking for the Lost Labyrinth of Egypt. When he published the results in a scientific journal, he was blacklisted from Egypt. SPONSORS https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://labyrinthofegypt.substack.com *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - The expedition that got Louis banned from Egypt 02:14 - Why Egypt's labyrinth is history's biggest mystery 05:03 - The Mataha Expedition 11:20 - Egypt was afraid of Louis' findings 17:46 - Louis' expedition was a national security threat 19:58 - The 1820 river canal that flooded the Egyptian labyrinth 24:52 - Consensus denies a labyrinth exists in Hawara 27:51 - They're excavating Egypt's labyrinth right now 33:39 - 2015 scans of the labyrinth 40:34 - 40m metallic object detected in Egypt's labyrinth 47:58 - Labyrinth's object could be a "circle of gold" 54:14 - How old the labyrinth could be 56:46 - New excavation methodologies to explore the labyrinth 01:01:48 - The Biondi scans might validate "power plant" theory 01:11:49 - Egypt's view on the Biondi scans 01:20:31 - The Pyramids WEREN'T tombs 01:25:54 - Newest study on Egyptian vases 01:32:39 - The Serapeum of Saqqara 01:37:43 - The Pyramids are older than we're told 01:43:49 - New excavations at Gobekli Tepe 01:47:42 - The Biblioteca del Sol 01:53:59 - Henrik Svensmark's cosmic ray research 02:00:29 - Younger Dryas was a cataclysmic solar event 02:09:41 - Earth Expansion Theory 02:15:33 - Louis' beekeeping project 02:21:10 - Mankind does not survive without bees 02:29:00 - Next steps in Louis' research Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:07Danny Jones?

  You are like the OG explorer of the Egyptian labyrinth. So like way back in, you did a crazy big expedition in 2008 that eventually got you banned from Egypt. Is that true?

• 1:23Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yeah. It's crazy.

• 1:26Danny Jones?

  That is crazy. How did this whole thing start for you? How did you get into interested in this stuff? And then what led you to your expedition? And explain to me how the expedition went.

• 1:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, for me, it came all in steps. Because initially, I had no idea to end up organizing and coordinating a whole expedition in Egypt. I started out like with creation of art. So for so many years, it was into art installation, conceptual art. And I was making installations with radio telescopes capturing cosmic radio waves and then translating them to sound and light installations. And then suddenly, yeah, I got like very interested in ancient Egypt, lost civilizations as well. And I wanted to like contribute to the whole field.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  And then the whole aspect of ancient Egypt and relationship with lost civilization, especially the labyrinth of Egypt being this giant Hall of Records, the library of the ancients. And got very fascinated by the whole thing. And then suddenly, yeah, through many contexts, I ended up in Egypt.

• 2:46Danny Jones?

  What sparked your interest in all this stuff?

• 2:49Speaker 04

  Initially, it was just from the imagination. Like this, not really like how Egypt exists today in the academic mind, but Egypt does this kind of heritage civilization of way older cultures that survived the last Ice Age. And that got myself really, really fascinated by it.

• 3:14Danny Jones?

  What got you interested in the labyrinth specifically? Because when it comes to Egypt, most people want to talk about the pyramids, right? The pyramids are the central focus, right? And there's been many really interesting books about the pyramids and different theories on what they were used for. And that seems to be where most of the attention goes to. And there was even that recent scan by the Beyonde guy. I'm sure you're familiar with that. I'm sure we'll cover that at one point.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 3:38Danny Jones?

  But you have dedicated all your focus to this labyrinth.

• 3:41Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 3:42Danny Jones?

  Why is that?

• 3:45Speaker 04

  First, the pyramids are present. So for me, the big pyramids of Giza definitely sparked my interest because once I saw these and then afterwards visited them, yeah, I really felt that they are made and from on a whole other level than everything that's done afterwards. So I felt also, again, like intuitively as an artist, that the people who designed that those buildings are, were operating from a whole other level of understanding. But inside, besides the mathematical designs

• 4:26Speaker 04

  and all these very sophisticated integrations of the understanding of how the planet works and so on, there is no written hieroglyphs. There is no information there. It's completely mute. It doesn't say anything at all. And in contrast to that building, those buildings, the labyrinth is the complete opposite. It's always been described as being this giant stone library with over 3,000 rooms, full of hieroglyphs, the Hall of Records, all the information of the ancients. So the big library.

• 5:04Speaker 04

  Many, some authors also refer to the labyrinth of Egypt being the hard drive and the library of Alexandria, the software in the sense that

• 5:17Danny Jones?

  The hard drive.

• 5:18Speaker 04

  Really where all the information is like really

• 5:21Danny Jones?

  Bless you.

• 5:22Speaker 04

  inscripted in the walls, yeah.

• 5:25Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 5:25Speaker 04

  For like a very strong backup.

• 5:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and it's also fascinating how all these ancient Greek people were writing about it. And they were saying, I think it was Herodotus who said that it was like even more mind boggling than the construction of the pyramids, the scale of this labyrinth. But none of those guys ever got inside of it. No, no, there's no one in recorded history that we know of that has ever explored underneath the surface, underneath that labyrinth, right? Is that true?

• 6:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 6:02Danny Jones?

  Okay. Can you walk me through that first expedition you did in 2008?

• 6:09Speaker 04

  So the, I call it the Mataha Expedition. It was a cooperation between Ghent University and the National Research Institute for Astronomy and Geophysics in Egypt. And basically, it was a geophysical survey. So we didn't do digging. We didn't do, how to say, physical exploration. But we brought seven or eight different geophysical technologies like GPR and elector resistivity, JEMTEM, geomagnetic on two big plots. One was like 100 by 180 meters and the other one very similar. So at the time, according to the National Research Institute,

• 6:55Speaker 04

  it was the biggest geophysical survey in Egypt ever been done on an archaeological site. So almost like 16 geophysics were involved.

• 7:06Danny Jones?

  Whoa, and you got like, you went through all of the hoops, politically, to get this approved by Egypt's government, right?

• 7:15Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 7:15Danny Jones?

  And the antiquities, like Zahi Was and all those guys?

• 7:18Speaker 04

  All of them.

• 7:19Danny Jones?

  They were all cool with it?

• 7:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:20Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 7:20Speaker 04

  But the thing is, I was

• 7:22Danny Jones?

  Are you the first one to do something like that?

• 7:23Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yeah. And at Hawara, and the last proper research was Flinders Bittrey in 1888. And ever since, the whole site was more or less like abandoned. There were some, how to say, little missions, but very shallow and intended to discover or explore the existence of the labyrinth. Because Flinders Bittrey, over 100 years ago, settled it for most of the academia. Saying from, he discovered this layer at five meters below ground, an enormous foundation plate, like 304 on 244 meters, which is like almost like 10 football fields big.

• 8:10Danny Jones?

  One plate?

• 8:11Speaker 04

  One plate. It really matches as well what the ancient authors were saying over that the roof of the labyrinth was a giant plane of stone. And

• 8:22Danny Jones?

  How deep?

• 8:23Speaker 04

  And that was five meters.

• 8:25Danny Jones?

  Five meters?

• 8:25Speaker 04

  Five meters deep. So seen these ancient authors were referring to the labyrinth as like two buildings, two stories, each containing 1,500 rooms. And the roof being like completely flat. Like I thought, maybe that's the roof of the labyrinth. Or it might be the floor of the first layer. And that the top layer is gone.

• 8:57Speaker 04

  And that was confirmed by this research, the Mataha Expedition. And they said from underneath that giant stone foundation, they found like hundreds and hundreds of rooms and enormous big walls and grid structures. So they confirmed the existence of, yeah, still huge remains. And ever since, I've been like trying to get back with the boots on the ground and, yeah.

• 9:26Danny Jones?

  So give me an idea as far as like the volume of the entire labyrinth. What could you compare it to?

• 9:34Speaker 04

  Oh, it's, yeah, like, it's enormous. It's like 304 on 244 meters, which is, yeah, around like 10 football fields big. So I don't know.

• 9:46Danny Jones?

  10 football fields.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Because these, like Herodotus describes that if you compile all the temples of ancient Greeks where are, and it still doesn't match the magnitude of the labyrinth. And Eve also refers to the giant pyramids of Egypt. He said, even those pyramids are massively big. The labyrinth surpasses them in greatness.

• 10:10Danny Jones?

  What is the total height of it, from like the base to the roof?

• 10:14Speaker 04

  According to the descriptions, let's say that every meter is like, every level is like around eight, like, or 10, maybe 20 meters.

• 10:25Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  But

• 10:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, so that's what we want to find out, but the the mother rock itself, which is around minus eighteen meters. Yeah, and

• 10:43Danny Jones?

  What rock?

• 10:44Speaker 04

  The mother rock.

• 10:45Danny Jones?

  What is that?

• 10:45Speaker 04

  So if you start drilling with with core drills and then you see that at around minus eighteen meters, it's like solid rock from there. There's no debris and

• 10:54Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 10:55Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 10:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, bedrock.

• 10:57Speaker 04

  The bedrock. And then later in came came the satellite scans.

• 11:02Speaker 04

  Um, it was like two thousand fourteen and another one in two thousand fifteen. And they completely skipped the first eighteen meters. And this and the first one confirmed like four layers underground. Minus thirty and then sixty, around eighty and then a hundred meters deep. Uh, enormous spaces. And then the second one, um, the the British one also re- reconfirmed it. And they added even way more other things to it. So that was a pretty a surprise and a shock for me.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  So ever since, yeah, we I'm I'm I'm trying to to, yeah, uncover it.

• 11:49Danny Jones?

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• 12:31Danny Jones?

  And what did you do with the findings and the data?

• 12:36Speaker 04

  The first, the first research was just published. They published it.

• 12:41Danny Jones?

  Published what, like a, like on a, on a journal?

• 12:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, like a scientific, yeah, journal and it was published online. Uh, and there was also like a workshop presented at the National Research Institute in Egypt. And up there, the forty eighth Supreme Council counselors were all present and we presented the whole thing and they were all, yeah, very impressed and and people from UNESCO were also present and they said, yeah, we need to move forward with making it like a world heritage site. So

• 13:15Danny Jones?

  What's UNESCO?

• 13:16Speaker 04

  UNESCO, it's it's this the part, the cultural wing of the United Nations, the UN.

• 13:23Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And so it's a pretty important

• 13:31Speaker 04

  international organization. And and and then because we had so much interest in Belgium itself with with presence on that the Ghent University said from, okay, let's organize a whole conference and invite these Egyptian top persons like Sahi Hawass and and the the involved people of the National Research Institute and people from University Cairo. So Sahi was declined to come, but all the others came. And then we had this very big conference in Ghent with a completely overcrowded owl, owl

• 14:10Speaker 04

  la, um, with five, six hundred people and we presented, we had also a lot of press presence, like ABC, NBC, all the European press. And then it exploded. Um, also in the newspapers, like it was front page on all newspapers and so on. Um, and then a couple of days later, I got this call from from Egypt, from the National Research Institute to to to completely pull it.

• 14:39Danny Jones?

  Pull it from the journal?

• 14:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's just pull it from from the websites. I was not able to to do any interviews anymore. And they were all completely afraid, actually, because they were threatened in Egypt.

• 14:53Danny Jones?

  They were what?

• 14:54Speaker 04

  Threatened, like they they got like threats, the National Research

• 14:58Danny Jones?

  Oh, threatening.

• 14:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, so they they they are part of the military complex. And so, so it was like considered a national security breach. Um, and then Sahi was was furious and one of his friends, Professor Gamrawi, he he called me and he said, yeah, we have like a very serious situation because you are put on the blacklist and you're not able to enter Egypt anymore. And it's very serious situation because it's like going out of, um, yeah, went completely completely south, especially because the the Belgian king,

• 15:42Speaker 04

  he he came to Egypt in a diplomatic mission. And there he talked with the wife of Mubarak, the the former president. And the the wife of Mubarak was a personal friend of Sahi was. And then the king had this this magazine where on the front page said like Belgian discovery, labyrinth of Egypt, and he showed it to to the wife of Mubarak. She was like completely shocked and then she called Sahi was and then, yeah, it went all ballistic.

• 16:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God.

• 16:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:12Danny Jones?

  That's nuts.

• 16:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was wild because as well at the University Ghent, everybody was in complete panic. Um, not to mention the people in in Egypt themselves. And for me, the

• 16:26Danny Jones?

  But you didn't do anything wrong. Like you literally got permission to do this. And you did what any scientist would do.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  Yes, we we followed the whole line of doing like a proper workshop presentation, the whole Supreme Council of Antiquities. We we organized the whole conference in Ghent University where all the scientists were involved and invited. And then it hits the newspapers. But where I I think it really went, how to say, um, really became sensitive is that the labyrinth suddenly was connected to lost civilizations and and giant halls of records and so on. And and it that it left the sphere of normal archaeology.

• 17:18Danny Jones?

  Now, this was after Graham Hancock got banned or blackballed. Didn't Graham get banned from Egypt too at one point?

• 17:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was also all the same periods.

• 17:26Danny Jones?

  This is around the same time.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, there was this, um,

• 17:30Danny Jones?

  But was your, was your situation before or after Graham gotten got blackballed? Do you know?

• 17:36Speaker 04

  I remember that I was invited on the tours where Graham Hancock and Sahi was were going to, they did it together. And then there was this whole fight. Um, so I don't know exactly when Graham was banned.

• 17:50Danny Jones?

  Right, I don't remember either.

• 17:51Speaker 04

  But we are, I'm I'm talking that this was like two thousand eight, so over seventeen years ago.

• 17:56Danny Jones?

  Right, before, before Facebook, Instagram.

• 17:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:00Danny Jones?

  I think YouTube was still alive, but it was like very primitive back then. This was like MySpace days, like way before there was this insane online presence of alternative historians that are like talking about this stuff all the time. Like you were, they they were actively trying to suppress it back then, which is so interesting.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  Graham Hancock was very French, so now he's on Netflix and so on, but at the time, yeah, and I was still in contact even with like people like John Anthony West and and and trying to communicate my my ideas to him and he's very interested. Um, Graham Hancock, Robert Schoch. So I've been with these persons in contact for almost like twenty years now. Yeah.

• 18:46Danny Jones?

  So why was this considered a national security threat? I don't get it.

• 18:50Speaker 04

  Um, for many years, I was like, how, yeah, like thinking from why would that be like a national security threat? And but I think it has like many, many levels. The first level is that you have an archaeological zone in in the center of the Fayoum, where around ten million people living. And, yeah, it it's it's always about like protecting the area. And even back then, there were standard guns on site to trying to protect the local people from from stealing antiquities. So that's

• 19:25Danny Jones?

  Oh, really? There was armed militias surrounding the site?

• 19:29Speaker 04

  Yes, from the very beginning, um, are militias, militia. Um, that's, I think, one of the the bigger ones. The other one is the maintenance of the status quo, like academics. So from, you can do like, say, lots of spiritual things. Quite a lot of people who go to Egypt for for spiritual reasons and they meditate and and but they're more or less harmless. But as soon as you come in and start to physically do things, that's a whole other ball game. And so far, we have quite a lot of research, even like Graham Hancock and Anthony West and many who talk, but there are very few people who walk.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  And and that was one of the the first, I think, researchers in Egypt that went beyond just talking.

• 20:21Danny Jones?

  Hmm, I can understand it from that perspective, why it would be a national security threat if you're uncovering some insane, huge archaeological site that's been untouched. It could incentivize cartels to go there and try to, you know, figure out how to excavate it, maybe drop a bomb on it, you know, and try to open it up. I can understand it from that perspective.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  And it's it's also surrounded by quite a lot of intrigue and mystery, even conspiracies. Because the it's for over a hundred years, nobody was not only allowed to do anything, but it was also very difficult to do something. Because in eighteen hundred twenty, there was a canal dug over the whole site, which set the whole part surrounding the the pyramid itself underwater. So since over a hundred years, it's impossible to to get down because the whole pyramid is submerged.

• 21:21Danny Jones?

  So can you explain, let's, is there an image that we can look at to look at this whole area? Like where it is of, it's Hawara, right?

• 21:28Speaker 04

  Hawara, yes.

• 21:29Danny Jones?

  And there's one pyramid there?

• 21:31Speaker 04

  There is one pyramid.

• 21:32Danny Jones?

  Uh, is there like a map or something that we can look at or like an aerial view of the?

• 21:36Speaker 04

  There are some old plans, I think it was, I think the the Lepsius PDF from the historic

• 21:45Danny Jones?

  Even if you just Google Hawara.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, just Google Hawara.

• 21:47Danny Jones?

  Just Google Hawara, Steve, and let's just look at it on a map. Just go, just click on Egypt.

• 21:53Danny Jones?

  Okay, Egypt.

• 21:54Speaker 04

  Ah, yeah, so maybe can also zoom in, maybe.

• 21:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 04

  So you go to the Fayum, which is this leaf, yeah. So zoom in, yeah, yeah, the Fayum, yeah, there, a little bit down. Yeah, yeah, there, and, and that's like a leaf and it, and it has like a, a, a, and like a green part entering the whole thing.

• 22:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right there.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  There, a little bit to the left, yeah. To, and now bring the whole thing down a little bit more, other, other side, other side. Yeah, even more, more, more, more, more.

• 22:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, I see.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  More, more, more, more, yeah, there, and the left, yeah.

• 22:28Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  Yes, there, yeah, there. So up there, you see the, the pyramids.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it's a mud brick pyramid, so it doesn't look.

• 22:37Danny Jones?

  Where is the pyramid?

• 22:38Speaker 04

  That, that's the pyramid.

• 22:39Danny Jones?

  Oh, right there, I see it, I see it.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Pyramid of Amun, and then you see that this channel.

• 22:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  Something very weird about the channel is, the channel goes uphill. So in the past, there was no, no channel running across.

• 22:53Danny Jones?

  See, go back in on it, go back in on it.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  Running across the, the site.

• 22:56Danny Jones?

  So this channel was, was, uh, was made when, in the eighteen hundreds?

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Eighteen hundred twenty, just after Napoleon visited the site. So he had Linam de Belfons, the, the engineer who also built the Suez Canal. He, he was ordered to, to build quite some channels, water channels in, in, in the Fayum area, and so in, in, instead of following the, the old path, which was running across the green area, he decided to go straight to the, the pyramid and then turn left. Um, and in some ways, it's, it's considered as well like an archaeological mission, because it's, it's a massive undertaking completely across the whole site, and ever since, the

• 23:41Speaker 04

  site is dealing with, with groundwater, especially the, the, the pyramids. Um, which is very important, because all these ancient authors described that the pyramid was underground, connected to, to the labyrinth area, and ever since, even Flinders Petrie in eighteen hundred eighty-eight, over sixty years later, was not able to, to go down to the deeper levels of the.

• 24:07Danny Jones?

  So was Napoleon trying to excavate this thing or something, or what was Napoleon doing?

• 24:12Speaker 04

  The, the labyrinth of Egypt's been known throughout history as, as one of the most important archaeological sites of the whole world, and all of these people like Napoleon, they wanted to find out what the labyrinth was and if it's still there. Flinders Petrie, the, the father of archaeology, his, his first mission in Egypt was to find the labyrinth of Egypt. All, all the other persons like Lepsius, Belzoni, all, all these archaeological legends were all trying to find the, the labyrinth, but none of them went that deep. And it's very confusing as well, because the site was for over like two thousand years, um, a necropolis, so on top, everybody wanted to be buried.

• 24:56Speaker 04

  Uh, sometimes it was a village, sometimes it was a.

• 25:00Danny Jones?

  Built on top?

• 25:01Speaker 04

  On, on top, yeah. All, all the way to a couple of centuries ago, there were, there was an activity there, so it's really confusing the, the Greek.

• 25:10Danny Jones?

  Why would they build a fricking river right through, right through the middle of it?

• 25:14Speaker 04

  Exactly, um, and I think it was done intentionally, intentionally in the sense that it, yeah, definitely was for, for, for water, but that it did it for archaeological, let's say, exploration, but as well to, to put the whole site underwater, so.

• 25:37Danny Jones?

  So when they did that, it flooded the whole labyrinth?

• 25:40Speaker 04

  It flooded, the, the thing is that it, it flooded the, the entrance of, of the labyrinth, being the pyramid itself.

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• 27:07Danny Jones?

  Uh, I see what you're saying.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  And.

• 27:09Danny Jones?

  Because when Flinders Petrie first went down there.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 27:12Danny Jones?

  Like, he did this crazy, very dangerous exploration of that thing, right? Where he, he and a bunch of guys went down into it in the pitch black for days, and they were sleeping in there, because, right? They were, they were in there for a long, long time when they were, when they were exploring it, trying to find out where it went. And eventually they hit water and they couldn't go any farther, is that right?

• 27:34Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. There's this blind passage, and he was like going deeper and deeper, trying to find out. Even at the time, he was like all, all the way till his chest in, in, in very salty water, which was corrosive, like biting into his skin and so on. Um, it was, uh, trying to, to go as, as deep as possible, and, but the, the strange thing afterwards is that he, he wrote that from scanty remains, he, he cannot make any proper conclusion, but ever since his research, all of academia said, okay, Flinders Petrie settled the whole thing, there's no labyrinth, and.

• 28:17Danny Jones?

  There's no labyrinth?

• 28:18Speaker 04

  There's no labyrinth.

• 28:19Danny Jones?

  That's the consensus?

• 28:20Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 28:20Danny Jones?

  The academic consensus is there's no labyrinth?

• 28:22Speaker 04

  No labyrinth. And.

• 28:25Danny Jones?

  Ow!

• 28:25Speaker 04

  And.

• 28:26Danny Jones?

  How do you even just ignore, like, so they're, they're saying that the scans that you made, they're ignoring them completely?

• 28:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's basically what, what, what they do. They say from those scans, they don't prove anything, so the only thing to, to prove it is physical excavation.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  And with, with this thing of extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof. But of course, yeah, it needs like an extraordinary investigation as well now, and that's what they have like been blocking for, for seventeen years. But the strange thing is that last year, when I, no, this year, yeah, last year I started up the, the, I opened up the, the whole project again, with going to, sending people to Egypt to map the archaeological ecosystem and start contact all, all these people from Supreme Council and, and all the people working for the government and so on, trying to, to see how we can bring it forward and talking to very high level academics and then.

• 29:26Danny Jones?

  You're doing this?

• 29:27Speaker 04

  Yes, yeah, with my foundation.

• 29:29Danny Jones?

  What's been the response so far?

• 29:32Speaker 04

  Response so far, it's pretty, I'd say, impressive in the sense that we, we designed, uh, how about a master preservation plan, like a way from how to, to move the whole project forwards, very contemporary, so not treasure hunting, but really saying from, okay, we, we need to preserve the site, the, the pyramid is having very serious issues with groundwater and, and erosion and so on, and it was all put together in, in this master preservation plan, and then myself, the la, the last so many months, I spent most of in, in Egypt, and as, as soon as I left Egypt, a, a week later, we got these phone calls

• 30:14Speaker 04

  from friends in, in the United States, Trevor Gracian, because he was visiting the site with a, a, a tour group, and he said, they are like excavating here, and said, this is not possible, because we need first to, to drain the site and do the whole process, and no, sure, they are excavating right now.

• 30:31Danny Jones?

  When was this?

• 30:32Speaker 04

  This was in, uh, March, early March.

• 30:34Danny Jones?

  Of this year?

• 30:35Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 30:36Danny Jones?

  Oh, so you've been back?

• 30:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was back and I, I went back again, but at that time, they started excavating, and they are still excavating, and was complete shock, so from, suddenly they jumped over the whole thing, over, over the whole master preservation plan, and first putting the, the site, they had drained the site, and, and so now they are like full on excavating the, the Egyptian government itself, from the, the Fayum Inspectorate, and it's a very properly done archaeological mission, and now they are at, at, at the first levels. So they are like exposing giant megalithic walls and, and, and according to, to the interviews online, they, they mentioned that they will go down as deep as they are able

• 31:22Speaker 04

  to go.

• 31:23Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 31:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:25Danny Jones?

  And they just started this in March?

• 31:26Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 31:27Danny Jones?

  Holy shit, do we have any images of this?

• 31:30Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, I think the, the recent, uh.

• 31:33Danny Jones?

  And so, real quick, go back to that, what is going on in that picture? Where those guys are dragging that cooler looking thing?

• 31:39Speaker 04

  This is GPR, that was like part, one of the tools that we used in two thousand eight.

• 31:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, for the Mataha expedition?

• 31:46Speaker 04

  For the Mataha expedition, yeah, yeah.

• 31:49Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 31:51Speaker 07

  Uh, is this what you're talking about?

• 31:52Speaker 04

  These, these ones, yeah. These were images from in March, so they are way, way deeper now. I think there's another one as well, yeah.

• 32:01Danny Jones?

  Holy.

• 32:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, there's nothing there.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, so.

• 32:05Danny Jones?

  What do you mean there's, oh, you're being sarcastic, I see what you're saying. So it looks like they're just stones stacked on top of each other, right?

• 32:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, and they're still going deeper and deeper, and the ID, according to.

• 32:20Danny Jones?

  What's that?

• 32:21Speaker 04

  Ahmed Soppy, these are like parts that they are recovering. These look like parts of, of pillars and.

• 32:32Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 32:34Speaker 04

  And, um.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  And it's completely done by the Egyptians themselves.

• 32:42Danny Jones?

  So this would be, in your view, what are we looking at? What do you think we're looking at here in the context of the whole labyrinth? Like, what would you imagine that this is?

• 32:54Speaker 04

  But this is not deep. It might be like only like two, two meters or so. So, and at around five meters is where this whole foundation layer is situated. And according to, to, to the geophysical research, MATA expedition by National Research Institute, it, it starts, become really interesting at minus five.

• 33:19Danny Jones?

  Five, it come five, five meters under the ground?

• 33:22Speaker 04

  Yes, underneath this foundation layer. And according to, to the satellite scanners, it becomes really interesting at minus 20 when they hit the, the mud rock. Because so far, this, this building is-

• 33:35Danny Jones?

  The bedrock.

• 33:35Speaker 04

  The bedrock.

• 33:36Danny Jones?

  So 20 meters down is like the floor of the labyrinth?

• 33:41Speaker 04

  That's so, the, everything above 20 meters-

• 33:46Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 33:47Speaker 04

  Is, is, is built, like, like these blocks built. Everything below 20 meters is carved out of, of the, of the mud rock, out of the bedrock. Yeah.

• 33:57Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  So then it becomes like, more like, like a cave.

• 34:01Danny Jones?

  How many feet is 20, is a meter? A meter, do you know what meter feet is?

• 34:06Speaker 07

  It's like a yard. It's very close to a yard.

• 34:08Danny Jones?

  What's it, but what is it in feet? A meter is about a yard?

• 34:14Speaker 07

  Uh, yeah, 3.2 feet.

• 34:17Danny Jones?

  So it's three, so one meter is three feet.

• 34:20Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 34:20Danny Jones?

  So 20 meters is about 60 feet.

• 34:24Speaker 07

  It's pretty deep.

• 34:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:27Danny Jones?

  So, okay, so you think below 20 meters, there is still labyrinth structure underneath 20 meters? But it's all carved out of one piece of rock?

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, the, the bedrock, natural bedrock.

• 34:43Danny Jones?

  Natural bedrock. And above 20 meters, that's when they start to use stones to add to it?

• 34:47Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 34:48Danny Jones?

  I understand.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  And according to, to Herodotus, he, he was able to visit the upper layers, the enormous building, but he was not able to, to go down the deeper levels.

• 35:04Danny Jones?

  Why?

• 35:05Speaker 04

  Because there was no permission for, for him. It was only by the Egyptian priests and you had those sacred crocodiles who were present.

• 35:15Danny Jones?

  Sacred crocodiles?

• 35:16Speaker 04

  Crocodiles. It was the, the culture of Sobek. And we also know that the labyrinth is, was there because of the, the finity, finity of, of the crocodilopolis, the, the city of the crocodiles.

• 35:30Danny Jones?

  Oh, shit.

• 35:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:34Speaker 04

  But according to, to the, the recent satellite scans by, by Merlin Burrows and, and GeoScans, the, the spaces below that are like carved out of the bedrock are enormous. They're like, one, one space is around 100 meters long, on 40 meters wide.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  And-

• 35:56Danny Jones?

  So is this from your first expedition right here?

• 35:58Speaker 04

  No, this is from the, the, the latest satellite scan

• 36:04Speaker 04

  research by, by the makers who later founded Merlin Burrows.

• 36:10Danny Jones?

  Oh, this is the Merlin Burrows?

• 36:11Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 36:13Danny Jones?

  And what year was this scan done?

• 36:15Speaker 04

  This was, I think, early, yeah, 2015.

• 36:20Danny Jones?

  2015?

• 36:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:23Danny Jones?

  And what, what are we looking at here? Can you like, break this down? Like, there's different colors. It looks like, um, it looks like a seafloor or something like that. And I can see like little square, sort of like imprints in the ground.

• 36:41Danny Jones?

  How do you translate this?

• 36:43Speaker 04

  First, it's, it's the, the scale, as if you know how, how big it is, pretty impressive. So it's, so like the center, the central room there, the, the central thing.

• 36:55Danny Jones?

  The, the, the purple channel in the middle?

• 36:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, the whole thing, it's, it's separated. It's like one, one big space, like, like an atrium.

• 37:03Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  Like the, the size of like-

• 37:05Danny Jones?

  Punch it on one of those, Steve. Punch it on like the left or the right one.

• 37:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's like, like a shopping mall.

• 37:13Speaker 04

  Where the altitude is around 40, 40 meters. It's where you can see all the different layers coming together. Um, and then in the center is this cubic space of around 40 meters and 40 meters.

• 37:29Danny Jones?

  What, what, what's, what's the cubic space that's 40 feet, meters to 40 meters?

• 37:33Speaker 04

  The, the, the central one, they are there. The, this is the long one and that's the, yeah.

• 37:37Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, you can see there's a square right here.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  The square.

• 37:40Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 37:40Speaker 07

  Another square right here and then another one right there.

• 37:43Danny Jones?

  Okay. And there's, you're saying there's the, then this center area is like the size of a shopping mall?

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Yes. We also, all the colors, they, they indicate different layers. So the, the yellow is at the top and it goes down then with orange, red. And all the way-

• 38:08Danny Jones?

  And purple?

• 38:09Speaker 04

  This is the inverted one. So it appears like the reverse. So, yeah. So, because you have also like a complete mold around the-

• 38:20Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  The, the structure. And that is very, yeah, it has a shape of an omega.

• 38:31Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  And, and, and that's very distinct.

• 38:37Speaker 04

  And was quite a surprise because the, the archaeologists involved from University College London, they immediately made a link with, with the mold around Saqqara that they recently discovered as well. There are also quite a lot of references, like very, a lot of like pins, like very sharp, pointy-

• 38:57Danny Jones?

  On the other one? Yeah, what is that?

• 38:59Speaker 04

  And these were recognized to be Persian tomb shafts.

• 39:05Danny Jones?

  Persian tomb shafts?

• 39:07Speaker 04

  There are shafts which go really deep, 30, 40 meters deep. And at the very bottom, there is a tomb, tomb.

• 39:16Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so this is from later periods. But the main thing about the massivity of, of this building is that you have this central atrium. And, and, and what we hide for, for so many years after NDAs and so on, is that the central atrium contains also well like a, a gigantic element.

• 39:43Danny Jones?

  NDAs? You designed NDAs?

• 39:45Speaker 04

  Yes. Over, over 10 years, there's still some going around. Yeah.

• 39:50Danny Jones?

  Who made you sign the NDA?

• 39:52Speaker 04

  So it, it starts with, with the scanners themselves, then the, the people involved. Uh, and also it was not only NDAs towards ourselves, but also well, if you, if we show these, these images to, to other persons, that they were not going to run with, especially media people. Yeah. Because we had some, some really bad experiences before.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  Because if, if, if you bring about these, these things and, and the Egyptian government and so on comes across them, it makes things really difficult to, to move forward. Um, so one of the, the reasons why the first expedition succeeded was that we kept as low profile as possible.

• 40:39Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:41Danny Jones?

  Until everything was completed and you already did, processed all the data.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 40:48Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  But if you tried everything to, to move it forward and personally, I organized several

• 40:59Speaker 04

  expedition applications myself, where I put like several years in to, to, to bring all the universities together. And they are always like rejected. Then you need to start doing other things to, to move the project forward. Um, and one of them is, yeah, the publication of what we have to raise the public interest. And so far it's working because the Egyptians are now on site excavating. The question is still, are they excavating with true intent to, to go down? Or is it just like planting a flag and later saying from, okay, we did something and we confirmed there's nothing.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  Because so far they are still very shallow in, in, in depth. So, because it only becomes very interesting minus 20 meters.

• 41:54Danny Jones?

  Have you talked to anyone in Egypt, like officials in Egypt about this excavation? And how deep they plan to go? Or have you spoken with anyone?

• 42:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I do like full time, like talking to ministries.

• 42:13Danny Jones?

  I mean, since they started their current excavation.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  So, so far, yes, I definitely, because not maybe directly, because I have quite a lot of people that I'm coordinating and working, collaborating with.

• 42:29Speaker 04

  Or people within the Supreme Council themselves and within the governmental positions. And they're also on it.

• 42:39Speaker 04

  But so far, it's, it's still, for me, extremely difficult to move forward. Unless that we have lots of support.

• 42:51Danny Jones?

  Now, you said there was an NDA that you had decided that you found an element in the middle of it or something?

• 42:58Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 42:59Danny Jones?

  What was the element?

• 43:01Speaker 04

  The element is metallic, so not stone and not wood, so it's.

• 43:08Danny Jones?

  Like an object?

• 43:09Speaker 04

  An object which is huge, for an object is freestanding. It's around forty meters.

• 43:16Danny Jones?

  Forty meters?

• 43:17Speaker 04

  Forty meters. It's.

• 43:20Danny Jones?

  Hundred and twenty feet.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  It looks at the whole atrium, so this chopper mall type of space is completely built around it. Or that the atrium is created to, to put this thing inside. And quite some speculations on what it might be.

• 43:37Danny Jones?

  Did you have any, any scans that show this?

• 43:40Speaker 04

  It's, it's one of the scans is this black, black type of, yeah. It's centrally inside this big atrium space, yeah.

• 43:50Danny Jones?

  One of the scans that we were just looking at?

• 43:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, so above it, like the former one. Yeah, you already passed it.

• 43:58Danny Jones?

  Oh, I did? Tell me when to stop.

• 44:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, there was stop. And so at the above one, there, yeah, the black thing there.

• 44:08Danny Jones?

  That?

• 44:09Speaker 04

  That, that thing, yeah. It's a little bit, how to say, bigger than it appears to be in reality.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Even in the videos which you can also watch online.

• 44:23Danny Jones?

  So the green, the green represents what?

• 44:28Speaker 04

  The green represents, it's a kind of depth, yeah, it's like, like.

• 44:32Danny Jones?

  Deeper?

• 44:33Speaker 04

  The more blue, the deeper.

• 44:37Danny Jones?

  Bluer, the deeper, and green is the more shallow.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Yes, and, and the very top is yellow and.

• 44:45Danny Jones?

  And black?

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Black is, around it is default. But the little black specks are all kinds of objects at shallower levels. Yeah.

• 44:58Danny Jones?

  All the black specks are objects on the surface?

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, very, very close to the surface. It might be also like five, six, seven, eight meters deep. But the, the, the blue one is around one hundred meter deep, so it's massively deep. And the spaces are also very, very big.

• 45:17Danny Jones?

  And how deep roughly is the green area?

• 45:20Speaker 04

  I think the green area must be around forty meters.

• 45:25Speaker 04

  Forty to thirty meters.

• 45:27Danny Jones?

  So there's lots of big black chunks?

• 45:30Speaker 04

  Yes, some of them are just, yeah, the default. Other ones are artifacts. And it concerns this, this, yeah, this kind of.

• 45:43Danny Jones?

  So what about those two bigger, longer, black ones above it? Yeah, what are those?

• 45:51Speaker 04

  I, I wish that the makers was like here to be able to explain everything, because he was the satellite scan expert.

• 45:59Danny Jones?

  Who is he?

• 46:00Speaker 04

  He, he is the one who, who, okay, was created and, and brought about the satellite scans. So he, he used to work all his life for the Royal Air Force. And he, one of, he was like working on these, one of these sap programs, like the special access programs relating satellite scanning at the Men with Hill in Harrogate, England. It's one of the, it's the biggest satellite ground station in the whole world. And America's also cooperating with them, the NSA. And so he was one of the topper levels people there.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Specialized in first, he told me, scanning landmines. And then they went deeper to, to, to, to see and scan by satellite bunker complexes in Asia and so on. And also, he was also involved in, in tracking submarines. So they were able even to see submarines with the satellite systems. And so when he retired, he became very interested in ancient, in ancient sites and so on. And so he was able to connect with my friends and co-researcher, Andrew Barker.

• 47:26Speaker 04

  And then because of the whole context of the labyrinth is so extremely important and so on. He was able to convince several people who are still working at the Royal Air Force to, to process the images through their very sophisticated computers, programs and, and servers. Because it needs quite some energy to completely process them. And then they came out and that's, so what we see up here is they call it like a master image. It's a compilation of lots of different technologies together. It's not just like one thing, like it's not only like lidar or tomography.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  It's a complexity of several of these technologies together.

• 48:12Danny Jones?

  And did he explain to you why he believes that, that long cigar shaped black spot is metallic?

• 48:22Speaker 04

  So according to what he said, and the whole video is now on Odyssey as well, is that he, he said that this element there is definitely metallic. But he doesn't know exactly what kind of metal, because he never saw it. And he either speculated it might be also something else kind of or he calcum or electrum.

• 48:49Danny Jones?

  Elect, elect.

• 48:50Speaker 04

  Electrum, so electrum is this, this ancient Egyptian metal, which is a combination of gold and silver. It's been used in the past. It's, it's a kind of alloy. And then you have, yeah, and the other one is called like, I don't pronounce it very well, or he calcum. And that's the mythical metal of Atlantis.

• 49:11Danny Jones?

  The mythical metal of Atlantis? How do we know about that?

• 49:15Speaker 04

  It's also in the, the text of Plato.

• 49:18Danny Jones?

  Oh, Plato wrote about it?

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, he.

• 49:23Danny Jones?

  Okay, or or a calcum is a legendary metal from the ancient Greek and Roman writings. Plato famously described it in Critias as a precious gleaming red gold material mined in Atlantis, ranking second only to gold in value. Interesting.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 49:42Danny Jones?

  Oh, wait, it says archaeologists discovered thirty nine ancient ingots of or a calcum off the coast of Sicily in 2015, confirming it was an early form of brass. Oh, that's wild.

• 49:56Speaker 04

  That's an interpretation, in a sense, yeah, according to Plato and others. They say it's more like the, or gold and copper, or that it was a very specific metal on itself. Some say now that it's like brass, a combination of zinc and, and tin.

• 50:15Danny Jones?

  So do you think that thing could be like some sort of like big shrine or, or something like that? Some sort of like statue or idol or something?

• 50:26Speaker 04

  You can only see it from, from, from above, so we, we don't know it's like.

• 50:31Danny Jones?

  It's a stretch to make any kind of speculation to what it could be, for sure.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  It might be disc shaped, it might be like.

• 50:39Danny Jones?

  Right, we only have a two dimensional view of the shape. We don't know what the layout of it is or what, what angle we're looking at it from.

• 50:45Speaker 04

  Yes, so it might be like a shandering, which is like an Egyptian amulet symbol. Might as well be more exotic, like, like the Stargate.

• 51:01Speaker 04

  Which might be as well, this mythical circle of gold, which is coming out of the books of Albert Slossman. He's one of these early French researchers that translated the Book of Death. And he was able to take out quite a lot of more information than most languages were able to to translate. Because the book itself is like a whole bunch of magical spells and only like twenty percent is understood. Eighty percent is for most people, just like magical spells, they don't know what it means. And so he was from from his background of being a computer decoder, able to to to take out quite a lot of new insights.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  And and and so

• 51:48Danny Jones?

  What's this guy's name?

• 51:49Speaker 04

  Albert Slossman.

• 51:51Danny Jones?

  Albert Slossman, is he still alive?

• 51:52Speaker 04

  No, he he died, I think, even in the eighties or something.

• 51:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 51:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, and and so he make references to the the the circle of gold. But more as a kind of mathematical tool to calculate cataclysms. Um, earth, earth, earth cataclysms, earth cataclysms.

• 52:13Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 52:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. So the idea is you have a a circle. And you have this concept of the procession of the equinoxes, around like twenty five thousand nine hundred twenty years. And the and the Zodiac system is based on it and as well, the the three hundred sixty degrees of the of of the circle, which is all invented by by the Egyptians. So because if you divide to two thousand, twenty five thousand nine hundred twenty years, which is the whole full great circle,

• 52:48Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  then then you come to to twenty seventy two. So seventy two degrees is one degree, seventy two years is is one degree of of the three hundred sixty

• 53:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 53:01Speaker 04

  um, circle and

• 53:05Danny Jones?

  The when you're saying, when you're explaining the procession of the equinox, the way the the way the earth wobbles when it rotates.

• 53:11Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 53:11Danny Jones?

  For a full rotation, uh, seventy two years, you're saying is one degree?

• 53:18Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 53:19Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:20Danny Jones?

  For and it has three hundred sixty degrees, so seventy two times three sixty would be a full procession.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 53:25Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 53:26Speaker 04

  Yes, and then you have the ages as well, I think seventy two multiplied by thirty percent because thirty, uh, twelve times thirty is the full circle, and then come with two thousand one hundred sixty or something. Um, and that's then an age. So now we are at the end of the age of Papyus.

• 53:45Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 53:46Speaker 04

  And and so the whole thing with the circle of gold is that it is a kind of tool to calculate these cataclysms, which

• 53:57Danny Jones?

  Oh, interesting.

• 53:58Speaker 04

  on a cyclical basis.

• 54:00Danny Jones?

  See, that's what's cool. And that's also what's so frustrating to me about the this, our view of the past is so pigeonholed because academia, archaeologists, archaeologists are so pigeonholed because they're not. I I mean, this is a general problem within all research is it's so they have their blinders on. There's no interdisciplinary outreach, right? Like, you you should have the people that are excavating and the archaeologists, they should be talking to geophysicists, astrophysicists, uh, people who decode ancient texts and look at different artifacts, try to figure out what they mean. So everyone can try to have like a a broader picture

• 54:45Danny Jones?

  of the past and try to fit the puzzle pieces together to get a more clear picture of what was going on. And I feel like that's, that would be a way better way of trying to figure out what was going on. But it's not done that way for some reason. But it seems like at least you're trying to do that.

• 55:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I'm trying to push it even further, further in the sense that now these texts are translated by linguists.

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• 56:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  Who have a poor understanding of mathematics or astronomy or astrology. Um, not to mention all the other sciences. But if you are able to feed this this technology, I have to say, these these texts into an AI system that's very knowledgeable about all these sciences. And he can calculate or it can calculate all these very sophisticated astronomical programs and so on. And and then you start translating texts from from all these different point of views. Then you you might get some deeper understanding of what's being written there.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  So then maybe all these magical spells, which nobody understands today, might become very understandable. And so that's why I also started the Hawara Data Initiative. So in the sense that we are now, we have like a team of of data hunters. And they are searching for everything that we can find on on Hawara. But as well in the broader perspective and putting in all everything into a digital archive. Um, and then at a later stage, we will we'll start running, yeah, large language models on it that we are developing. So to to better understand the the bigger picture of what we are dealing with.

• 57:28Danny Jones?

  When do you think, if you were to speculate, the labyrinth was built?

• 57:37Speaker 04

  According to normal academia, it's it's built by Aminem Hethatert.

• 57:41Danny Jones?

  Well, according, they don't even believe it's there, right?

• 57:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, or that it's like lost, uh, that it's completely quarried in in in the ancient like that it they just took all the stones and and they built some something else with it. And partially, it's it's true in the sense that the whole casing stones are all gone and reused. Uh, same for for the whole building itself at the at the top levels, completely gone, we only find, yeah, remains. Um, but the whole understructure that's carved out of the mother rock seems to be like designed to to to resist time. And we have no idea how old that is.

• 58:28Speaker 04

  Um, might even go all all the way for for for tens of thousands of years. So we we we don't have any idea. Um, and and the biggest question today is that, yeah, that we we we we don't know what's there, how big it is. The only thing that we want to do is just go inside and and just start to have a look for ourselves, what what's there. And and that's the biggest challenge that we are facing.

• 58:59Danny Jones?

  So all those rooms inside, all those big spaces that are inside the labyrinth, are they all filled? Are they all full of debris and dirt and everything like that? Or are they, some of them still empty and open with air?

• 59:12Speaker 04

  According to the satellite, they are they are completely free of of sand and especially as well, free of of water. Because many people think that because there is like shallow water at the top, that the whole building is submerged. But the water doesn't go deeper than the bedrock itself. So it's it's it's only goes like more or less like all the way to minus eight meters, there is humidity. Um, so far, the the the biggest concentration of underground water is surrounding the pyramid itself. And the pyramid is as well working as as a wick in the sense that it's like sucking up the water.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  And and that's why the the level of the water inside the pyramid is higher than the surrounding water levels.

• 1:00:00Danny Jones?

  Right. Now, wouldn't there be a way to, I mean, I don't know how the whole process of excavation works. I'm sure it's very meticulous and they have to follow protocols and stuff like this. But couldn't you like essentially just build some sort of like an elevator shaft down into it or like dig a hole in one spot and just see like where it goes instead of doing it all, like the whole entire landscape of it at once?

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  That that's exactly what we want to do. In the past, the archaeology is done in a very destructive way, creating like big holes and and it's very similar, like opening up like in the past, the whole intestines and putting everything out and then put it back in and suit every season. So now we can do non-intrusive archaeology, like with pinball, like bore holes.

• 1:00:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  And then putting in cameras and laser void scanners.

• 1:00:52Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:00:52Speaker 04

  Like in a very sophisticated space age, um, way.

• 1:00:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, like in the pyramid, right? They they drill little holes like in the in the shafts or whatever. They did this a long time ago. Where they they stuck those cameras up the um, the gate and brink shaft.

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  Exactly. So something very similar. Um, but it's it's still quite a a challenge for for even our the the the academics to to move forward with. Because the the the challenges in in Egypt are very difficult on the aspect of heat and dust and and and desert storms and so on. So therefore, you need to to create some kind of field station, research station, where all these very sophisticated high-tech tools can can be

• 1:01:40Danny Jones?

  Can be used.

• 1:01:41Speaker 04

  Yes. And so from there on, so if we then drill a hole all the way down, like, let's say, to minus forty, fifty, sixty meters, uh, very narrow bore holes. And then we can put the whole field station on top of it. And from there, we can Go down and

• 1:01:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, if we can do it in Antarctica, why can't we do it in the desert?

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. I I think I have also like a visual on on the on on the this this field station research that I'm like developing.

• 1:02:11Speaker 07

  Oh, the the animation?

• 1:02:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, the animation.

• 1:02:14Danny Jones?

  That have you proposed something like this to them?

• 1:02:17Speaker 04

  I'm I'm busy now with organizing a symposium just to present the whole thing. Because at at this moment, they um they they are still doing archaeology like in the days of Howard Carter with very simple wheelbarrows and buckets and

• 1:02:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, primitive.

• 1:02:38Speaker 04

  And very primitive um in dust and and with field notes on with paper and and so on, and very difficult task. So.

• 1:02:51Danny Jones?

  So this is the animation. Let's see it.

• 1:02:52Speaker 04

  No, this this is the the animation of of the the this the domes on on on site of of Hawara.

• 1:02:59Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, this one. Yeah.

• 1:03:01Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, like like a moon base.

• 1:03:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a it's a moon base. Yeah. So we create a field research station and and that's what I'm now developing with several engineers. Because it must be completely autonomous and it's yeah, with so we have like our own electricity, our own um air filtrations. Um, and then the whole idea is like we see here that we have a shaft who goes all the way down. And then we can.

• 1:03:32Danny Jones?

  Would you send people down there?

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  Initially, I think first like nano bird robots and and laser void scanners to to to to map the interiors of these spaces so that we can have an an idea of the size and the magnitude. And from from inside, we the whole idea is to try to find out like the way out, the an exit. Um, if we are not able to do so, the whole idea is to to make more like manhole size.

• 1:04:02Danny Jones?

  We find a very brave archaeologist to be the first man in the labyrinth.

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Danny Jones?

  I think we choose, I think we should get Flint Dibble to be the first one.

• 1:04:10Speaker 04

  Exactly. Yeah. We we put him in a hospital suits.

• 1:04:13Danny Jones?

  He will be the Neil Armstrong of the labyrinth.

• 1:04:15Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:04:16Danny Jones?

  That's one small step for man.

• 1:04:18Speaker 04

  In a cage, like in the movie of the sharks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:24Danny Jones?

  You hear that, Flint? We need you. That's incredible. What is that bird? Is that like a hummingbird you drew on there?

• 1:04:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was one on on the

• 1:04:33Danny Jones?

  The nano bird.

• 1:04:34Speaker 04

  The front page of National Geographic was a a nano bird, one of the very early um yeah, flying flying drones.

• 1:04:44Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:04:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. And for for me was like like, you know, very visual because it related to ancient Egypt and this this nano bird flying. And as a kind of, you know, surveillance proof, fine, first first entry.

• 1:05:01Danny Jones?

  Hmm. What was your take on uh those Be- Beyond the scans? Those scans that came out a couple of years ago where that took over the internet by storm? Where they looked like these giant shafts underneath the pyramids with these like the boxes on the end?

• 1:05:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:19Danny Jones?

  What what did you? What's your view of all that stuff?

• 1:05:21Speaker 04

  My view was full, I was very impressed, you know? In the sense, I I worked with scientists for for a whole time, like the the people from National, the these geophysists, they are, they are very knowledgeable about their their technology. But they are not, how to say, the the most creative persons on on, yeah, inventing um structures. In the sense, it's it's it's very strange that somebody who's like very into satellite scans suddenly starts to develop a whole, yeah, how to say, and uh like like this master's design of what's below Giza.

• 1:06:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:02Speaker 04

  Um, and as soon as I saw these images, uh, I was very impressed, especially because it made quite a lot of sense for me. For these these things remind me to, they call it Cambusters. Um, it's, you have this this scientist Reich, William Reich, and and he developed quite a lot of, yeah, have to say, the designs who've

• 1:06:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, go to that one with the blue shafts.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  The blue shaft.

• 1:06:33Danny Jones?

  That's like the, yeah, so he came up with this rendering.

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, but the other one was more representative. The uh, yeah, this one, this one, yeah, this one, yeah, that one. Yeah, uh, because at the very bottom, there is, there is a massive uh block, like a cubic block.

• 1:06:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:06:50Speaker 04

  And that's very similar to to those uh Cambusters. So Cambusters are placed in nature and they are able to create orgasm. It's this kind of scholar energy, you know? And when I saw these these things, I immediately related to even all the way to to to the the circular spiraling things are related to it. And um, so I thought from it it creates this thing is that with with the books of Christopher Dunn.

• 1:07:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  The the the Giza Power Plant, that it's all about vibration. And with these things is that you have, so the the earth has its own vibration, it's called the the Schumann resonance.

• 1:07:31Danny Jones?

  The Schumann resonance.

• 1:07:32Speaker 04

  Yes, and the Schumann resonance re- resonates with with the earth itself. But over time, it changes, like in the Ice Age, there was another Schumann resonance than than we have now. So imagine that this is like an an Ice Age um structure. And the Schumann resonance was different than today. Um, so what I think, if if this is really there, that as soon as a Schumann resonance shifts again in its former resonance, the whole structure starts becomes a a active again.

• 1:08:08Danny Jones?

  Turns on.

• 1:08:09Speaker 04

  Turns on. It it can capture uh, he- geomagnetic and and and geophysical microvibrations, and then the whole thing becomes a a scholar generator which is concentrated in the top and it reinforces the geomagnetic sphere, which protects us against cosmic radiation. And that's what we are having issues with these day. The geomagnetic sphere is is losing a lot of strength. And that's why we have like way more cosmic radiation coming in. And according to all this research, is the input of geomagnetic geomagnetic radiation of cosmic radiation.

• 1:08:49Danny Jones?

  Cosmic rays.

• 1:08:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, cosmic rays creates clouds, but as well more earthquakes and

• 1:08:56Danny Jones?

  It cools the earth. Cosmic rays make it cooler.

• 1:08:59Speaker 04

  Make it cooler.

• 1:08:59Danny Jones?

  More clouds.

• 1:09:00Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. Um, and it creates

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  yeah, climate change, but not in the way that we are being told in the sense that cars and and cows

• 1:09:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:12Speaker 04

  Create climate change. Uh, it's like a a giant uh cosmic cyclical thing. That and we are at the end of the interglacial. So this change in states or geomagnetic poles are also on the move. We have big holes opening up in our magnetosphere, like the South Atlantic anomaly.

• 1:09:35Danny Jones?

  Um, right, right.

• 1:09:37Speaker 04

  And I think everything like starts to like fit together with the ancients and their messages that they wanted to leave behind, the pyramids, this these giant structures that are in place to to start kicking in. Um, so I think we are like watching remnants of of a very sophisticated yeah, human past.

• 1:10:04Danny Jones?

  Hmm, I think so too.

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:05Danny Jones?

  Um, are you're familiar with um uh, Land of Chem?

• 1:10:10Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:10:11Danny Jones?

  Jeffrey Drum?

• 1:10:11Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 1:10:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he was explaining to me uh the beyond, that he was breaking down on the show like the Beyond the scans. And he was showing us like the raw data

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 1:10:20Danny Jones?

  that they came up with with their synthetic aperture radar stuff. And comparing that next to the 3D renderings that they created.

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:29Danny Jones?

  And it was like a very wide gap. Uh, they were being very liberal with how they interpreted the raw data. And when he questioned it, questioned the Beyond the gentleman about it, uh, he really didn't have like a good answer for like, he was like, why, how did you come up with this to this? He's like, oh, well, you know, we just, whatever.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Danny Jones?

  There was no uh good explanation for that. It seemed uh like they were just being very generous with their interpretation of the 3D model. And they also did a scan of the um the Kofrae Pyramid with that same technology. And did a 3D rendering of what the interior of the Kofrae Pyramid would look like. And there's all these like chambers the size of the King Chamber, King's Chamber in there. And Jeffrey was telling me that those chambers we know for a fact aren't in there. So like he's a, he's making lots of mistakes on his other scans. And even with his scan of the Great Pyramid of Giza, um, it doesn't really, it doesn't really match up.

• 1:11:34Danny Jones?

  Right? There's not like a direct correlation with the the data he's showing in his 3D rendering. Like it doesn't align very well with what we know is in that pyramid. So it's like you're doing these scans of the pyramids, like we see these kind of like, you know, it looks like these lines, these vertical lines, these pillars that are connected to it, but like these perfectly cylindrical structures that you drew with the boxes doesn't really add up, like like you're you're kind of like filling in the blank with your own imagination here. That was Jeffrey's whole take on it. And Jeffrey also believes that there's these um

• 1:12:09Danny Jones?

  uh, iron veins underneath the plateau there. And uh, he was showing photos of these iron veins that he saw in some of the pits. And he, I think he seems to believe it's possible that those those vertical shafts that we see in the raw data could be iron veins vertically going down underneath the uh the plateau.

• 1:12:30Danny Jones?

  Have you talked to him about that?

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, in the sense that I worked together with the geo scans and they came up with these very specific scans of Hawara. And then suddenly we had these other scanners from Merlin Barrows, completely different type of can, the team, but they were able to, there were quite a lot of overlapping things. So it was so.

• 1:12:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:57Speaker 04

  And now we, Beyond these, at this moment, busy with scanning Hawara as well. So he's like.

• 1:13:02Danny Jones?

  Oh, is he really?

• 1:13:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I went to the conference in Italy, in Bologna recently, and we discussed this and he's like on it. So the next scan after Giza is going to be the, is the labyrinth of Egypt. So, and for me, they always like add something more to it. So they are never the same. There are well, different type of technologies, but I'm very curious to see what he's going to bring to the table at this moment.

• 1:13:32Danny Jones?

  And he's gonna do that strictly with satellites? He's not gonna be on the ground there?

• 1:13:36Speaker 04

  Not on satellites.

• 1:13:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:38Speaker 04

  So I'm not trying to focus too much on the specificities of exactly how, because these are, I think, technologies that are like in their child's shoes. And so there might be lots of interpretation space there. But of course, if these technologies are used for scanning landmines and bunker complexes, the labyrinth of Egypt is something very hard to miss. The same thing.

• 1:14:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  With what's underneath at Giza. So maybe it's not exactly 100% what's there, but it indicates quite something. And from all the sites in the whole world, I think Giza and Hawara are the most enigmatic. And, yeah.

• 1:14:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think you're right about that.

• 1:14:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm curious to see what happens with that. I know he certainly didn't do it the way that you did it. You did it, you were more quiet and subtle about the way you went about doing this. It seems like he went, he did it and immediately did this crazy big press release on YouTube. And, and I imagine that Egypt, the antiquities department in Egypt and the government didn't take that very well when he came out with that, because it was everywhere.

• 1:15:04Danny Jones?

  Have you talked to any of those folks about it?

• 1:15:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:15:06Danny Jones?

  About his stuff? What is their take on what Beyond is doing?

• 1:15:13Speaker 04

  It's more like the, how to say, the art of war. So it's, everything is like related. So if you want to attack something there, you create something big. And then, and it's very strategically played. So in this way, the whole Beyond the scan helped the Hawara project.

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  Because that claim from Beyond was so huge.

• 1:15:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  And so over what everybody was expecting. And it fascinated the whole world. But, but suddenly, the scans that we were sitting on for so many years, literally over decade, what was way too big to present, because, yeah, we are saying there is like a giant space in there of 100 meters on 40. But suddenly, this, this thing that we were unable to communicate for so many years became, how to say, less, less impressive. Yeah. And although it's extremely impressive.

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  So in some way, the whole labyrinth project was able to, to, yeah, be, be able to possess in itself, back on the, on the playing board.

• 1:16:40Danny Jones?

  Have you ever discussed this stuff with any like mainstream scientists or archaeologists or Egyptologists? Like people who sit in like the high ranks of academia, less on the fringe side and like get their take on it or their view on it?

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, quite a lot of these people are inside the mission Hawara project. You have like, yeah, Fekri Hassan, one of the very well-known geoarchologists. He was co-designing the Hawara Master Preservation Plan. There are quite a lot of classically formed and educated archaeologists within the team itself. So, and it's, and it's very, they are not, how to say, opposing the idea that there's a giant building there. Because in the whole area of the Fayum, there's an enormous spiritual center that's still missing, the whole Crocodilopolis Center.

• 1:17:43Speaker 04

  For so many thousands of years, there must have been something huge. We have like the Serapeum, which is very close by, it's huge underground, we have lots of things.

• 1:17:54Danny Jones?

  The Serapeum is pretty close to there.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:17:56Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:17:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's very close. And, and there we have Hawara, which is, which is described by so many authors as being completely underground.

• 1:18:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:06Speaker 04

  And so far, no research. So, yeah.

• 1:18:12Danny Jones?

  God, it's such a mystery. Like, how old could that have been? Right? Obviously, it's before any recorded history, before the Hellenistic period. If, you know, Herodotus and Strabo were dumbfounded by what this was and just astonished by what this could have possibly been, and writing about this and they didn't know, it had to have been way before them, right? Because it was still way underground to what like the, you know, the surface level geologically was when they were around, you know, in whatever, 300 B.C., 400 B.C. So it's like, I mean, it's only up to the imagination to, we can only imagine how old this could be. There's nothing on earth that we know of, right?

• 1:18:57Danny Jones?

  That is any kind of structure man-made that is that deep underground. Is that right?

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  As described by the ancient authors, yeah.

• 1:19:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  Like Herodotus was 500 B.C. And then we have several others later, like Theodoresiculus. And he even wrote, the, the, the, Dida is the father of Icarus, who, the Thylac, who built the labyrinth of Crete. First, he visited, first, first he visited the labyrinth of Egypt and then he got inspired. And then later he built the labyrinth of Crete. And Theodoresiculus wrote 2000 years ago that at that time, when he was alive, the labyrinth of Crete was already completely destroyed, but the labyrinth of Egypt was still there in its full magnitude.

• 1:19:44Danny Jones?

  So how, how was he able to see the labyrinth if it was so far underground?

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  That's how Theodoresiculus described it 2000. I think at that time, the building itself was still standing.

• 1:19:57Danny Jones?

  On top?

• 1:19:57Speaker 04

  On top.

• 1:19:58Danny Jones?

  Ah.

• 1:19:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:00Danny Jones?

  And so he modeled off the building that was on top, not off of what was down in the bedrock?

• 1:20:04Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:20:05Danny Jones?

  Because they didn't, they still had no way of telling that that was down there.

• 1:20:08Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. It's, it's same, there was some, always some kind of conspiracy surrounding it, like mystery from what's there below. Visitors were not able to visit it or explore it all the way to, to, to today.

• 1:20:29Speaker 04

  There were some reports of Jesuit priests that explored the labyrinth. It's featured in this book of Albert Slossman as well, where he describes as well, four layers below ground.

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  So it's, it demands, it asks for exploration and investigation. And it's still so weird and crazy that we are 2026.

• 1:20:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And we're sitting. We're what, 18 years ago is when you first started studying this stuff and going there and doing that first scan. 18 years ago.

• 1:21:07Speaker 04

  18 years ago.

• 1:21:08Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 1:21:09Speaker 04

  And with steps and, and, and we are still, humanity still doesn't know what's down there, like only like some 20 meters, possibly one of the biggest hu- human information libraries that are in existence on the planet.

• 1:21:32Danny Jones?

  If we build that shaft, the first, if you, if you get permission to build that moon base and drill down underneath, do you know where you would drill first? Like what specific area?

• 1:21:44Danny Jones?

  I- in a perfect world, if you could choose any, any, any location you wanted, where would you do the first hole?

• 1:21:51Speaker 04

  I would go straight into the atrium, straight into the.

• 1:21:55Danny Jones?

  Where that big object is?

• 1:21:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Seeing it's, it's like a no, no miss zone. The other one would be the circular space, there's also like a cupola, the shape more or less of the pantheon. It's like, almost like 40 meters in diameter, some, a massive dome as well, would be the second.

• 1:22:19Danny Jones?

  God, I would be terrified. I'd be terrified that I'm gonna fucking open some sort of Stargate. Or like unlock, like wake up that UFO down there. It tries to like fly away or like, I don't know, it wakes up. Who knows?

• 1:22:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man, it's all, it's all such, such a mystery. And there's also, I think I heard recently that there's a, a new project trying to explore this hidden void inside the Great Pyramid above the, uh, above the Grand Gallery, I believe, right?

• 1:22:50Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:22:51Danny Jones?

  There's a big like jumbo jet side size void that they, people have been trying to get into for a long time.

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  It's the, the Giza Scan Pyramids project. Matt, Matt Beal is also involved of one of the, the sponsors and very, it's a very Zahi Hawass project.

• 1:23:10Danny Jones?

  Oh, so he's involved in that project as well?

• 1:23:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think there was this discussion on, on me, Piers Morgan recently where Zahi Hawass was questioned by a lot of these alt media YouTubers and they were like asking from when are you going to go inside and you're like saying for the last seven years that you were, are going to go inside. And then he promised that definitely before June, he was going to go inside.

• 1:23:35Danny Jones?

  That chamber or that, that void?

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. So now we, we are at the end of August. So yes, not yet. Um, so I don't know.

• 1:23:45Danny Jones?

  What do you think the, the pyramids were?

• 1:23:49Speaker 04

  I, I don't think they were tombs.

• 1:23:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I don't think any rational person would think that.

• 1:23:56Speaker 04

  And, and

• 1:23:56Danny Jones?

  There's no, there's no, it doesn't make sense.

• 1:23:58Speaker 04

  It doesn't make sense. They never found any kind of, you know, memes inside and, and, and I think that there, you have the idea that they were very sophisticated, like Chris Dunn's books, like power plants. But I do think as well, there is a very big level of, of spirituality involved with the afterlife and, and the nature of, of reality. And that they were very knowledgeable about these things and, and the aspect of vibration and, and so I think look so extremely smart and feel so sophisticated that I'm

• 1:24:41Speaker 04

  always very humble and, and impressed when I'm very close to them. Um, because these buildings are for me, what keeps up my, my belief in humanity. Because today, what we see in the world is so sad and, and so, um, yeah.

• 1:25:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:01Speaker 04

  And, and when I watch these, these buildings and what we were able to, to realize so many thousands of years ago, it gives me a whole lot of hope and, um, and trust.

• 1:25:12Danny Jones?

  I really like Jeffrey Dunn's theory of what the pyramids were, uh, how they were chemical manufacturing plants for metallurgy and for agriculture. I feel like that just makes so much sense. You know, they even, he even, he, he said it was very similar to the Fritz Haber device. That was, uh, creating sulfuric acid. And like, you can see they, they, they completely, they created a complete model of the, I believe the red pyramid. And they showed how the pressure system worked and how it created pressure. It pushed the, the chemical into the pyramid through this bottom chamber and it shoved it up into the top chamber.

• 1:25:51Danny Jones?

  And it's just incredible. Like the way, the way he lays out his theory, it just makes so much sense. And it's not some outlandish thing like a free energy Tesla device or anything like that. It's like, huh, it's not, it's not tombs, but it's also not free energy, you know, spaceship chargers. It's this thing that is for, for a very practical human purpose, which is to enhance agriculture and to help grow agriculture, to create clouds, to, uh, create a more, a more fertile environment for resources and stuff like that, as well as for metallurgy.

• 1:26:33Danny Jones?

  And you know, those are the same types of chemicals, what he describes in his theory that we use for metallurgy today. So it tracks because we have all these crazy stones that are around there that are like, you know, cut perfectly as if they're like some giant diamond tipped saw cut them. And, uh, you know, with different like, uh, marks that go off the beaten path. Like it's like they, they were cutting the wrong way and they had to like re-correct and, and they're so thin, you could put a credit card right in it. And in granite, no less. It's just so bizarre. Um, so, so yeah, I think that, I think his theory like for me is the most coherent one that I've heard, uh, on the, on the pyramids, although Chris Dunn's is fascinating as well.

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  But you might maybe bring them together in the sense that if, if, if, um, that they are like explanatory like, like the, the pyramids themselves, that the proportions are related to the, the circumference of the, the earth and the relationship

• 1:27:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's fascinating.

• 1:27:34Speaker 04

  Of, of the earth to, to the moon and, and they are placed on the, the 30, I think, longitude or latitude point. So imagine that, that the ancients were knowledgeable about the creation of, of these fertilizers. And then they say from, okay, we, we will use the designs of this thing and we incorporate it in the design of, of the building, not therefore using them so as much as, as a fertilizer plant themselves, but saying from, uh, these are the blueprints of how you can, can do it. So it shows how extremely intelligent they were by incorporating the designs, but not therefore specifically using it as, um,

• 1:28:12Speaker 04

  the same thing with these pots. They, these pots look very simple, but as soon as you start like measuring them, they become extraordinary. And so they, these are a, a proof of what, what they are able to do.

• 1:28:27Speaker 04

  And, and although they, they look very simple, once you are able to understand and you have the knowledge to, to measure these things and understand these things. Suddenly you start to, it's, it's like a giant book as well, even without any, any words. So same thing with these pots and maybe the, the, the interior of, of, of the, these pyramids are how, are blueprints of how to build and how to use and how to create fertilizers, but not necessarily they were being used as, as, as, uh, so to do so, you know?

• 1:29:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08Danny Jones?

  There's, have you seen the latest on these, these vases? There's a, there was a new study done

• 1:29:16Danny Jones?

  by a gentleman who we had on the show where he got access to a huge, uh, collection of private, a private collection of these vases that were purchased, uh, as well as a huge collection of vases in like the Petrie Museum and other museums that hold these things. And what he found was all of the vases that were perfectly symmetrical, like the, the most accurate designs were in the private collections.

• 1:29:46Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:29:46Danny Jones?

  And all the ones that were in the museums were not even close to being perfect. Um, and they didn't even have these little lugs on them either. So what his conclusion was, is that it's more likely that the very perfect ones with these little lug handles were modern. They were made with like CNC machines and stuff like that.

• 1:30:09Speaker 04

  But they, they find some of the, because it's very strange that they are, they've, they found like tombs and, and memes with holding these very sharp, perfect ones together with other ones who are looking very badly done, even like painted, trying to look like the, the, the original ones. So it might be that that if you, as, as well related to, to the early days of archaeology, like Flinders Petrie, the University College London, he was working for yeah, private people. So his expeditions were paid.

• 1:30:46Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 1:30:47Speaker 04

  And so the, the best pots, because there's, as, as a layman, you can see the difference between a perfectly shaped one and, and a bad copy.

• 1:30:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:30:55Speaker 04

  So I think that the early, in the early days, the, the, the people who are sending people like, like Flinders Petrie out, they, they were in for, for the good stuff.

• 1:31:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:07Speaker 04

  And not these, these bad copies.

• 1:31:11Danny Jones?

  That's true. And they could have probably taken the perfect ones, the ones that they thought were, that somebody, uh, had this lady named Heather Lynn was explaining this to us, how like the very, the, the earliest archaeology was basically all these aristocrats and rich people that were just looking for artifacts to, you know, enrich themselves.

• 1:31:32Speaker 04

  Even to this very day, the, the most beautiful pieces are, are in private collections. I've seen private collections which, which are stunning. And of course we have very nice statues, the, the really bigger ones in, in museums, but the, the, the smallest ones certainly like these pots. And there are not, not so many either, the, the, the perfect ones. There are a lot of, a lot of, um, and you, you

• 1:31:57Danny Jones?

  A lot of imperfections too.

• 1:31:59Speaker 04

  And, and even so, if they'd even tried to, to copy them today, because then the claim would be that if the ones in the private collections are, are contemporary ones.

• 1:32:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:10Speaker 04

  That they must have been at least already two, 200 years old. And how were they able even 200 years ago to, to make such a perfect, uh, vessels?

• 1:32:18Danny Jones?

  Well, the problem is you can't figure out when they were made, right? Cause it's granite.

• 1:32:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:32:22Danny Jones?

  There's no way to carbon date how, how, if they were made yesterday or if they were made 5,000 years ago.

• 1:32:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:28Danny Jones?

  Right?

• 1:32:30Danny Jones?

  So, um, and then the other thing was that this guy told me was that all the perfect ones, none of them were with Aswan granite. So that's also very curious to me. Why wouldn't they be in using Aswan granite, other different, all the imperfect vases that were like very crude. Some of those in the museums were made of Aswan, but in the private collections, the very perfect ones, why aren't any of those made with Aswan granite? That was his claim. I don't know. I guess Aswan granite has a very specific look to it. It's like pink almost.

• 1:33:02Speaker 04

  Pink and there are also ones made of diorite and even very shiny dots on it, which looks very metallic. And they also say that it's, you cannot really turn them, but they need to be like carved because of, of the nature of, of, um, but on the other hand, we have this, this kind of wheel type of instrument, which is in the museum in Cairo.

• 1:33:25Danny Jones?

  Like a lathe?

• 1:33:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, like a circular one, very sophisticated, super thin, um, like a machining type of part as well. Um, yeah.

• 1:33:37Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah, there's still so many mysteries, right? I used to think that this one was like one of the most craziest things, but like, you know, even in India, there's this just insane architecture in India, like, uh, that one site that's carved, oh, this is the wheel you're talking about?

• 1:33:52Speaker 04

  This one, yeah. That's also made out of, uh, of stone, eh?

• 1:33:55Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:33:56Speaker 04

  Yes. Cause this brings everything even up to, to way higher level of, of.

• 1:34:01Danny Jones?

  That's so crazy. And, and do, do we have a, uh, what, what do the academics say, uh, this was dated to? Do you know?

• 1:34:12Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:34:12Danny Jones?

  See if you can, Sabu disc, just try to Google the Sabu disc. Okay. Sabu disc, ancient Egyptian artifact, uh, from the first dynasty. So 3,000 to 2,800 B.C. That was made out of stone. That's crazy.

• 1:34:28Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:34:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:34:32Speaker 07

  Imagine getting all the way done with this and you like chipped the, the cylinder and now it's.

• 1:34:37Danny Jones?

  Well, look, they carved a number into it. Yeah, man. The mysteries are just never ending, you know, and that's like what fuels our imagination and, uh, gets people like you so excited about this stuff and, and motivates people to just dig into the past and, and see what else. There, there doesn't need to be guardrails on this stuff, you know? There's no why, what's the point? We should, we should be encouraging people to be more creative and come up with more theories and be more open with this stuff and not try to, you know, with the, the, the way the internet has sort of turned this into this, you know, binary sort of like war with people who are, you

• 1:35:21Danny Jones?

  have two camps, people who are curious and interested in alternative theories and people who just want to stay in the academic lane and, and, you know, cast doubt and shame on everyone else who wants to just come up with other stuff and explore and open their mind to it. It's, it's, it's upsetting that that's what it's come to, you know, with the current stage of where we're at with social media and all of that crap. But, um, also the, um, what is it? The Serapeum? The Serapeum is another thing that's very interesting because you have these giant boxes that are in these, in, inside this labyrinth, it's

• 1:36:05Danny Jones?

  sort of like a labyrinth they're in, but, and these boxes are like perfectly square, made out of granite, right? I believe, right?

• 1:36:12Speaker 04

  I think it's diorite.

• 1:36:14Danny Jones?

  Diorite.

• 1:36:14Speaker 04

  Black, black stone.

• 1:36:15Danny Jones?

  Giant black.

• 1:36:16Speaker 04

  The, the most hardened stone that exists, yeah.

• 1:36:19Danny Jones?

  And there's, there's like ice cream scoops that are taken out of it in some spots. And, uh, I think Chris Dunn found out that the interior of these diorite boxes are so perfect and reflective. It's like astonishing how perfect they are. And the outsides are kind of crude, right? There's scoops and stuff out of the outside. It's almost like, you know, hi- his theory is you, you don't, uh, coming, being his engineer, which what he is, he goes, precision, there's no point in having precision unless there's function, right? Like the, you, you, you only have to have things precise if there's an actual function to it, right? Because you're trying to achieve a certain goal or a certain outcome.

• 1:37:01Danny Jones?

  So his theory is like, you know, the only explanation that he can think of, think of coming from an engineering background is this precision inside these things had some sort of a function, some sort of like a, maybe a resonance function or, or something like that. And then on top of all of that, these boxes wouldn't need, how would they even lift them and, and move them into this labyrinth system that they're, they're in, you know?

• 1:37:28Speaker 04

  They, they are.

• 1:37:29Speaker 07

  Look how big.

• 1:37:29Speaker 04

  Enormous. And, and I think there are like over 22 or more of them.

• 1:37:35Danny Jones?

  Have you been in there?

• 1:37:36Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. Yeah. It's, um, extremely impressive to, to see them. And, and they, they found them all empty as well.

• 1:37:46Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. And the, and the explanation is that they were, what, like coffins or something?

• 1:37:51Speaker 04

  For bulls, for sacred, for sacred bulls. That, that's what they say. Um, but none of them contained any kind of bull or so they were all empty.

• 1:38:01Danny Jones?

  No evidence of any kind of remains of anything? Well, I mean, a later civilization could have came and used them as coffins, maybe.

• 1:38:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, and who wants to be burdensome? It's such a giant thing.

• 1:38:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:38:14Speaker 04

  And, and coming back to, to the idea that, um, that the perfection goes, goes together with, with functionality. Um, I think today as well, with, with, with the age of AI, it's, it's way easier to make perfect things. So I think it might also be related to, to the way how they were able to, to make those things. So maybe the tools that they were using enabled them to make them so perfect in, in, in some kind of way.

• 1:38:46Danny Jones?

  There's this, um, there's this theory about the, uh, the, the structures in Central and South America. Some of those, uh, those big megalithic structures with those like marshmallow looking stones that are perfectly fit together, that there was this red acid that they were able to find in South America that they, they believe, even some like very high level archaeologists believe that they could have used this acid to put on the surface of the stones before they stacked them to help meld them together more tightly and make them, uh, make them like earthquake proof and stuff like that. And that would kind

• 1:39:28Danny Jones?

  of explain the way that those stones seem to lock together in this strange way. Uh, I was just looking at this the other day. I saw this, uh, documentary on, uh, on YouTube about this stuff. And, um, I find that fascinating because you see a lot of the same type of stuff in Egypt, like especially the Osirion or Osirion or whatever, where there's all these giant stones that are interlocking.

• 1:39:54Speaker 04

  Oh, that's not, nevermind. Making it very earthquake proof as well.

• 1:39:58Danny Jones?

  Right, right. It, it, it's not anything you would see today, like these giant stones that are really hard to cut and lift, uh, like all like cut so strangely at weird angles, but they all seem to fit perfectly. And, uh, you know, maybe, maybe there could have been some sort of chemical thing that they were using, like not only to hit the stones together, but to create those scoop marks or those scoops out. And also that, that big, uh, the stone of the pregnant woman or whatever, that big giant unfinished obelisk, you also see those scoops that are out of the bottom of that. Um, yeah, like that kind of stuff. You know, maybe they were using some sort of, some sort of like stone softening.

• 1:40:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:41Danny Jones?

  And that's, that, you know, seems to be like the most lot thing, logical thing that I can wrap my mind around to what they were doing.

• 1:40:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, like they stuck the machine right here and somebody left it unattended and went zh.

• 1:40:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right. They forgot to unplug it.

• 1:40:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:40:57Danny Jones?

  Do, do you think that all this stuff, like, like all the pyramids that we see in Egypt are, uh, dated properly? Do you think, or do you think it's potential that they, they could be way older?

• 1:41:07Speaker 04

  I think they are way older. One of the, the only things that was dateable, according to me, was in, in, in the, in the pyramid itself, there are these shafts and then they found these, this, this wooden piece inside it.

• 1:41:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:41:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. And Graham Hancock referred as well in his books and, and then finally they, they dated it and they said, yeah, it's contemporary to, to what we think today of the age of the pyramids. But yeah, I, I, I don't know. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm not really like willing to, to believe that it's just 2,500 years old or something, or I'd say 2,500 B.C. Just so 5,000 years old. Um, yeah. I, um, I will need some more, more evidence, yeah, to, to, to be convinced that the, that the big pyramids are just 5,000 years old.

• 1:41:58Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, it is, it is, you know, going back to what Jeffrey Drum came up with, with his, his theory about the chemical manufacturing and stuff like that for fertilizer and agriculture. It's curious that, uh, like one of the things that NASA said about colonizing other planets is that when we get there, we would have to create factories to be able to extract the natural resources of that planet because we can't just keep bringing cargo ships of new stuff. We have to figure out how to make stuff there. And there already are astrologists that believe that life could have originated on Mars, especially like

• 1:42:39Danny Jones?

  millions and millions and millions of years ago. Um, and could have migrated here. So that doesn't seem to be, uh, an unreasonable thing for high level astrologists and astrobiologists. If.

• 1:42:59Danny Jones?

  Human beings did start out on Mars and and came here. You know, they could have built some sort of factories for some sort of purpose in the desert, using something that we could not possibly understand millions or hundreds of thousands, or even tens of thousands of years later.

• 1:43:17Danny Jones?

  I know that's like a the ancient, that's like the closest bridge I can find between the whole like ancient aliens thing. But it does seem to make a little bit of sense.

• 1:43:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, definitely. One of the early books of Graham Hancock was about the Mars mystery as well, about the Sidonia complex on Mars.

• 1:43:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:34Speaker 04

  With the DM pyramids and the face of Mars.

• 1:43:37Danny Jones?

  It's like a six sided pyramid, right? Or a five sided pyramid?

• 1:43:39Speaker 04

  Five sided pyramids, and he wrote a whole book about it. And with the face of Mars nearby, and then this also the geometry of these buildings, how they relate are very similar than how the big pyramids of Egypt relate, and also the the South American ones. And, yeah, according to quite a lot of research, they say that very early on Mars had had its own atmosphere and so on. So it might be like a possibility that humanity, you know, it came from another planet. And it would personally, it would be strange that they if they would be like coming in with spaceships and all these things.

• 1:44:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:24Speaker 04

  That they would build the big pyramids of Egypt just only as a chemical plant fertilizer thing. So therefore, I'm more into that they integrated the designs and the knowledge as blueprints within the the design of the pyramids more than they were, I have to say, using it.

• 1:44:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:45Speaker 04

  Just to prove how intelligent they were, and how important fertilization and the process of chemical.

• 1:44:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:53Speaker 04

  Is.

• 1:44:55Speaker 04

  But it surely opens up the whole aspect of this lost civilization.

• 1:45:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, to quite so come. Yeah.

• 1:45:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, so.

• 1:45:07Danny Jones?

  It is fascinating, the the way the measurements there, though, like the angles of the sides of the pyramids and the whole circumference of the pyramid. What is it? It matches like the exact circumference of the Earth?

• 1:45:18Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:45:19Danny Jones?

  That's just, that's just so.

• 1:45:22Speaker 04

  The golden section is also involved, and the number of P as well. So all these mathematical codes are integrated in the design of the building itself. I myself, I created this, call it the Golden Sun Disc. It was a disc that I created to fund the whole project, the Mata Expedition. And in there as well, I tried to integrate as much information as possible, the flower of life, the whole 360 degree, and the whole other whole system of inclinations and relationship to the procession of the equinoxes and so on.

• 1:46:06Speaker 04

  And for me, it really feels that the ancients as well did the same with the big pyramids. It looks very simple, extremely simple, but the sophistication is at an unmatched level for me. And you feel it as well when you're inside, like the hall, the big hall. It's, it looks like.

• 1:46:30Danny Jones?

  Which big hall?

• 1:46:31Speaker 04

  Of the of the big pyramids.

• 1:46:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:46:33Speaker 04

  The grand hall. On an archaeological, I would say on an architectural level, and an artistic one, and a spiritual one, and engineering one, it's like the culmination of what humanity can do for me. Never seen any building that is, is for me, resonates at a higher level than than than that one. So, yeah.

• 1:47:04Danny Jones?

  We just there day even found out that they just started doing a whole nother section of excavations at Gobekli Tepe. And I hadn't even heard that.

• 1:47:11Speaker 04

  No, me neither.

• 1:47:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah, apparently there was this whole area of olive trees that were right next to it, and they got rid of all the olive trees, and they started excavating all that, like this huge, huge area where they're already finding stuff. And they're saying that there could have been, like, that's could have where the housing would have been for the civilization that was there, or whatever, like right next to like the complex with all the T pillars and stuff like this. Yeah, that's crazy. Find that, Steve.

• 1:47:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right there. So this is brand new.

• 1:47:42Danny Jones?

  So that's like the main complex right there with that sort of like dome. And they just, that's where all these squares are, I guess, is where those trees used to be, and they removed all those trees, and like they're already finding all this stuff.

• 1:47:55Speaker 04

  All this stuff.

• 1:47:56Speaker 07

  Incredible.

• 1:47:57Speaker 04

  Incredible.

• 1:47:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's totally incredible.

• 1:47:59Speaker 07

  Not even that deep either.

• 1:48:00Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:48:03Danny Jones?

  It's just funny to me how

• 1:48:07Danny Jones?

  it's like, we're so worried about the narrative, like, we have to keep the story consistent, right? Like, it's almost like, you know, the certain gatekeepers are afraid of more excavations because it's gonna make it more difficult for them to keep the narrative straight, right? Like, we have a specific timeline of history that's written in the textbooks that we teach. And, oh my God, we can't let anyone dig too deep because they're gonna find stuff that's gonna like, like, really throw a wrench into the story that's been told and what's been taught to everyone throughout history. And, you know, like, they look at it as if it's a problem, which is so bonkers to me

• 1:48:50Danny Jones?

  because it's a, it's not like a hard science that you can measure, right, in a lab, or or weigh, or, you know, anything like that. It's not objective, like archaeology is based on telling stories of the past, right? It's a very human thing. These are human beings that are doing this. And there's just so much ego and narrative involved in this stuff that it becomes a big problem, you know? It's like psychology.

• 1:49:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, archaeology is a soft science.

• 1:49:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, there are some hard elements, like the tools and the, but, yeah. And it's also a very weak one.

• 1:49:31Speaker 04

  The paradigm like 3000 B.C. Prehistoric ended before 3000 B.C. Humanity was not able to read, write, no mathematics at all. And then 200 years later, we built the big pyramids of Egypt. It's like starting out with the Bugatti Chiron as a first car. And, and so, but apparently academics have no problem with these issues. But as soon as you start scratching and all these things come up, it, you know, it's, it's needs, I think, what they are like facing is a whole lot of pressure now, and

• 1:50:09Speaker 04

  it's getting momentum, that the whole paradigm that we are living in is going to completely collapse. And AI and the technologies are seriously going to help in this.

• 1:50:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and you guys are using a lot of AI to sort of bring in different, different aspects, different, different, like, different, like, data from different areas of expertise and sort of combine them and get a good 360 view.

• 1:50:40Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:50:40Danny Jones?

  Of what's going on, is that right? And is that, is that part of your, you have this Biblioteca del Sol? Or whatever? And what specifically is that? And is that are using AI with all of that?

• 1:50:51Speaker 04

  So far, it was the complete opposite of AI in the beginning. The whole idea of the Biblioteca del Sol, which is a high mountain library in the Sierra Nevada mountains in Spain, that I built from some 15, 20 years ago, is that it was going to be, or is a cultural arc in case that we had like a solar storm. That would fry.

• 1:51:15Danny Jones?

  A solar storm?

• 1:51:16Speaker 04

  A solar storm that would fry all of civilization, those the whole electromagnetic civilization that we're in. So, and that we have like a backup in books and in records to be able to restart a civilization, and that we don't lose all our knowledge. And so that's the origin of the Biblioteca del Sol that I built in the mountains of Spain. It's also surrounded by a whole, how, yeah, like, it's embedded in a very self sufficient zone, while a lot of people living there are off grid, and they are able to, to survive if in case that there would be.

• 1:52:02Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:52:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, like a massive, even a world war, or so, like, or a massive volcanic eruption or so.

• 1:52:12Danny Jones?

  How long did it take you to build this?

• 1:52:14Speaker 04

  It took quite some years to prepare, especially because it's at the altitude of 2000 meters above sea level. It's one of the most remotest farms in Spain. So we.

• 1:52:25Danny Jones?

  Do you have any photos of it?

• 1:52:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, if you go online, you will find Biblioteca del Sol.

• 1:52:29Danny Jones?

  Biblioteca del Sol?

• 1:52:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's in Spain.

• 1:52:33Danny Jones?

  And so you have books in there?

• 1:52:35Speaker 04

  We have over 10,000 books, but also seeds, like agriculture seeds as well.

• 1:52:40Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:52:41Speaker 04

  And it's just the tip of the iceberg, because the library itself is an underground facility. Locally, the people say the bunkers, because it's so high.

• 1:52:50Danny Jones?

  Doomsday bunker?

• 1:52:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, yeah, there, yeah, the inside, the interior, yeah, that one.

• 1:52:54Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:52:55Speaker 04

  It's very basic. It's a, it's a basic structure.

• 1:52:59Danny Jones?

  Some seances in there.

• 1:53:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, some people go there to meditate.

• 1:53:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, these are, yeah, we had some, we had some issues as well with, yeah, squatters.

• 1:53:11Danny Jones?

  Oh, did you really?

• 1:53:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, but that wasn't in the farm itself.

• 1:53:14Danny Jones?

  Find some photos of it, Steve.

• 1:53:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I think if you go lower, maybe construction photos. Yeah, even more, yeah, deeper. Yeah, there you had some construction photos.

• 1:53:25Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:53:26Speaker 04

  If you go a little bit, yeah, that's the entrance.

• 1:53:28Danny Jones?

  Holy smokes.

• 1:53:29Speaker 04

  So it's not designed as.

• 1:53:31Danny Jones?

  Dude, how much did this cost?

• 1:53:32Speaker 04

  As a living unit, it's really designed to store information.

• 1:53:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:53:39Danny Jones?

  Now, did you case case it in something or did you just dig it right out of the mountain?

• 1:53:43Speaker 04

  If if you, I think if you went a little bit backwards, like like back up, there was this thing, yeah, that one with the yellow boards, yeah, that one. So that's how it was built. So maybe I created a whole first, like a foundation layer.

• 1:53:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, I see. So you poured it.

• 1:54:01Speaker 04

  And I poured it. There is no metal involved. It's all fiber rebard. So

• 1:54:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:06Speaker 04

  There's no induction currents might be able to to to weaken the the metal or even like corrosion. There's no no possible. So this structure is also designed to to. There's also a movie on the whole.

• 1:54:19Danny Jones?

  You made a movie about it?

• 1:54:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. It's online. It's called Time Capsule. And so far, it's, yeah.

• 1:54:28Danny Jones?

  How did you decide what books and stuff to put in here?

• 1:54:31Speaker 04

  And so in beginning, people were able to send books, but I was receiving so many books, I need to start selecting them.

• 1:54:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:39Speaker 04

  And I start selecting them on on their their value towards like a future, future e events or in the in the because many books after such a cataclysm might not be so worth. So I'm more like these are like seeds, agricultural seeds, so to be able to start also farming and so on.

• 1:55:03Speaker 04

  And in some way, it's like a mirror that I created in relationship to the labyrinth of of of Egypt, which is also, I think, designed to be a library in in case.

• 1:55:17Danny Jones?

  You think that the labyrinth could be something like this?

• 1:55:20Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:55:20Danny Jones?

  Like a time capsule?

• 1:55:21Speaker 04

  Like a time capsule, a backup in case of of a major world cataclysm, because these solar flares, they they happen all the time.

• 1:55:31Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:55:32Speaker 04

  Like in eighteen eighty five, we had the Carrington event, which was an X two hundred.

• 1:55:39Speaker 04

  If the Carrington event would happen today, the whole civilization would be down, completely fried. But the Carrington event was very small compared to the Miyaki event, which was four hundred years ago. And if Miyaki event was ten times stronger than the Carrington. So we had like an X two thousand. So an X two thousand would not even leave anything alive on the aspect of computers or something. Because initially, if you have a solar storm, it's it's like a big electromagnetic tsunami who comes in. And it's more the the the bigger transformers who who are dealing and capturing all the energy, like the the long lines

• 1:56:22Speaker 04

  and and these giant transformers, they they fry. But i if it's a way bigger one, then it fries as well fine electronics. It's very similar to like an EMP, an electromagnetic pulse.

• 1:56:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:38Speaker 04

  And in in in case of a world war, when they start like sending intercontinental missiles, the only way to stop those is using EMPs to like whack them out of course. And so and and and it's very extreme thoughts, but of course, somebody needs to do the job of of yeah, saving and and preserving the the most important aspects of of of humanity. And that's what I tried to do there in the mountains of Spain.

• 1:57:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's fascinating. The solar activity thing is really interesting. I recently had this guy from Denmark, Henrik.

• 1:57:21Speaker 04

  Sven Mark.

• 1:57:22Danny Jones?

  Sven Mark. You familiar with him?

• 1:57:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:57:23Danny Jones?

  He's fascinating. So he worked, his work inspired this CERN cloud project, where they are using, they're they're confirming his hypothesis that cosmic rays create clouds. And he showed data that he believes that the cosmic rays are equally responsible for the change in climate as human beings are. He think, because there's a whole chart from the IPCC on what what contributes to climate change or whatever.

• 1:57:58Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 1:57:59Danny Jones?

  And it shows the list of all the things that contribute to it. And at the very bottom, it shows anthropologic, which is like human contribution, and it's like the biggest one. And he was showing that the cosmic rays are a little bit less, but very close to to being equal to the exact amount of change in the temperature as human. But the the thing with the cosmic radiation or the cosmic rays is that they create the clouds, so it cools the earth more. And his hypothesis, or what I guess the data says is that when our solar system is going through a spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy, is when there's a lot more solar activity.

• 1:58:42Danny Jones?

  And that inhibits it. The solar activity pushes away the cosmic rays and pushes away the clouds and makes it a lot more hot. And when we're going in between those those spiral arms of the galaxy is like a big desert. So there's not much solar activity, lots more cosmic rays, a lot more cooling. And when you look at like the historical data of the climate and the ice caps on the earth, that's insane. And oh, yeah, so this is what he shows.

• 1:59:10Danny Jones?

  The it shows the temperature change over time combined with the cosmic rays, and it's almost a perfect correlation.

• 1:59:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's it's amazing. The the only thing is that the timelines are so extremely big, like in millions of years.

• 1:59:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:25Speaker 04

  Because what I like about his research is that he he proved that cosmic radiation is affecting cloud formation, which is really direct, like in days.

• 1:59:36Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:59:37Speaker 04

  But these things are like millions of years, but you have quite a lot of cycles in between, like the Grand Solar Minima and the Grand Solar Maxima. Like the Grand Solar Minima are solar cycles. They are very well known by by climate historians. And every two hundred years, we have a solar minima. So the last solar minima started around seventeen hundred seventeen eighty seven, two two years before the French Revolution. So when a solar Grand Solar Minima hits, immediately the the climate starts to change and it affects food production. So two years later, we had the French Revolution. Two hundred years before, that's the so the two hundred years ago, that one was called the Dalton Minimum.

• 2:00:20Speaker 04

  Two hundred years before, it's the Mounder Minimum, it's the Little Ice Age. Two hundred years before that, we had Spurder, and then we had Wolf Minimum. And so they are all having names. So the the one that we entered now, because we entered a new Grand Solar Minimum, it's called the Addy Minimum. And so these are very well known by by climate and certainly solar physicists. And and these are on a cycle of two hundred years, but every four hundred years, they are bigger. So like the Mounder Minimum, we had over almost over hundred years, no sunspots. And then we have also the bigger ones, like every eight hundred years, every two hundred, two thousand years. And and they've relate even all the way to to

• 2:01:06Speaker 04

  to to ancient Egypt, because the whole effect is that in those cycles, the sun changes state.

• 2:01:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:14Speaker 04

  And then our the the earth is bombarded with more cosmic radiation. And so this cosmic radiation enters, and that creates that the polar vortexes are going out of whack in the sense they become like deeper and less stable. So we have way more droughts in the in the summers and as well cooler times in in in winter. It also changes and and disturbs crop production again. There is also way more volcanic activity, like like at the early days of of the

• 2:01:54Speaker 04

  of of the one of these solar minima, we had, this always related to extra volcanic activity, like Tambora and and the Krakatau. And the last century, so from nineteen twenty all the way to two thousand, we were dealing with the Grand Solar Maxima. So we had a very active solar activity, very comparable to to the medieval warm period where we had a warm period in the Middle Ages where the Vikings were able to live in Greenland. So and then, of course, we have also these these cycles like interglacials and ice ages. So the whole ice age cycle is around one hundred thousand years.

• 2:02:39Speaker 04

  And it's, it ends always with an interglacial for around twelve thousand years. So and now we are to very end of the of this Holocene interglacial area. So and it's sun is changing states, and we have way more cosmic radiation coming in and.

• 2:02:58Danny Jones?

  About to get, it's about to get on the on the geological scale, where it's about to get very cold.

• 2:03:02Speaker 04

  It's going to flip.

• 2:03:04Danny Jones?

  Going to flip?

• 2:03:05Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:03:06Danny Jones?

  What do you mean flip?

• 2:03:07Speaker 04

  So that we we are going to enter, like mostly the end of such time or at the very beginning as well, like the Younger Dryas, it's marked by by a major say cataclysmic event. Some say that's related to the impact of meteorites.

• 2:03:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:03:28Speaker 04

  But mostly, it's it's solar activity. So we might be dealing with a, we call it like like a solar nova event.

• 2:03:36Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:03:37Speaker 04

  And that is, yeah, we we.

• 2:03:40Danny Jones?

  A solar nova event?

• 2:03:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:03:43Danny Jones?

  So you think the Younger Dryas was solar?

• 2:03:46Speaker 04

  Solar based, yeah. So I'm I'm very into the the research of Robert Shaw as well, who stacks quite a lot of proof that it's solar based. Meteorites might be involved because in the sense of if you have a solar event, then then like the big planets like Jupiter, who are like the vacuum cleaners of our heliosphere, are.

• 2:04:10Speaker 04

  Not active then, and Earth can get some more.

• 2:04:14Danny Jones?

  It could be a combo of both, maybe.

• 2:04:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, combo of both. Um, but definitely the sun is, is, is, is, um, is very important in, in, in, in, in those cycles. But e- even what Svensvark is laying out, that during those times of, of, um, these grand cycles, during Ice Ages, we have a lot of, they call it Ice Ages, dust coming in, in our heliosphere. Ice is dust is, is like, uh, and way more particles. And we also see that during Ice Ages, the, this cosmic dust is, is stacking up in, in, in ice. And we can see it in ice boreholes.

• 2:04:57Danny Jones?

  Cosmic dust.

• 2:04:58Speaker 04

  Yes, and so, and now the cosmic dust is re-entering our heliosphere again. Um, and our sun is changing state. Many people say in the past, the sun was more yellow. Now it's becoming more white. Um, and, um.

• 2:05:14Danny Jones?

  So explain to me why there's more cosmic dust when it gets colder?

• 2:05:19Speaker 04

  So the, the cosmic dust is affecting the interior of our heliosphere. So the sun itself is surrounded by more cosmic dust, like more particles, where the sun is, is able, is not able to emit so much, uh, radiation. But it doesn't only affect the sun, but it affects every planet as well. Because now the Earth is, is, is going through a state of weakening of, of our geomagnetic field.

• 2:05:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:53Speaker 04

  But all the other planets are experiencing the same. So you have like other planets like, like Saturnus and so. You see that their, um, constitution is, is changing. So it's not, uh, like, uh, only, on the Earth that's experiencing climate change. Um, and at a sudden moment, there's so much buildup of material around the sun that the sun is affected by it. And then it's, it's, yeah, blows everything away. And that's what they relate to this, uh, giant kind of solar nova event. So in some way, it's also being described in, in the Bible, in the sense that the sun at, at the end of days becomes completely black.

• 2:06:34Speaker 04

  So it's becomes like one big, uh, solar sun, uh, sunspot. Yeah, and when the sun becomes black, then, then it becomes really dangerous. Because then we are about to, to experience this, this massive solar outburst, which, which affects, yeah, the inner core of, of our Earth. In the sense that, uh, this enormous amount of coronal mass ejection comes to Earth, blows away big parts of our, of our, uh, atmosphere. That's why the certain spaces or places on Earth experience enormous cooling and, and that, uh, mammoths are like flash frozen. Um, but as well, it affects the inner core of our Earth

• 2:07:19Speaker 04

  that the, how to say, the, the magma becomes so liquid that we experience huge volcanic eruptions.

• 2:07:28Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:07:29Speaker 04

  Like the one forty-two thousand years ago that, uh, ended the Neanderthal. And so we had, yeah, the explosion of the, the Campi Flagre in, in Italy, which is by the way, as well now coming alive. It's, it's a supervolcano, um, very similar to, to the one you have here in America.

• 2:07:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Wow.

• 2:07:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:07:55Danny Jones?

  I've never heard that before. I've never heard this theory before. So this, when the sun becomes black, it's like a giant sunspot.

• 2:08:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:08:02Danny Jones?

  And then that means that the sun is about to go through like some insane transformation.

• 2:08:06Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 2:08:08Danny Jones?

  Where it's kind of like regenerating itself or something or?

• 2:08:10Speaker 04

  Yes, and then it, it creates this.

• 2:08:14Danny Jones?

  And that's enough to end all life on Earth?

• 2:08:16Speaker 04

  Not ending, I, I love, because we're still, still here. It's, it's, it's, um, it's.

• 2:08:21Danny Jones?

  Oh, we can survive that?

• 2:08:22Speaker 04

  We can survive. The, the reason why we're still here is because we survived so many times these, these changes, like these solar outbursts.

• 2:08:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, so you're saying that that's why we hear these like stories in the Bible and like ancient stories of the black sun?

• 2:08:33Speaker 04

  Yes, yeah, but it, I think it does reset a high technological civilization. So like, if, if there was like a very sophisticated civilization, uh, at the end of the last Ice Age and experienced such, such, um, nova, then everything is like fried. And then we have the whole story of the people re, really bringing again civilization to, to, to humanity. The, the stories of the Quatsalquetal, the Comptiques and.

• 2:09:06Danny Jones?

  Noah and all that.

• 2:09:06Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yeah. And it's, it looks that it's cyclical. Yeah, and I think that's also the reason why today it's not really well-known. Uh, and I think that's also the reason why all these super rich people are building bunkers underground and the whole, on, all, all over the world to, to prepare for, for, for these events that are upcoming.

• 2:09:29Danny Jones?

  And, um, how, how would this specifically tie into the floods?

• 2:09:36Speaker 04

  The, the floods, there is, in, in the crust of the Earth, there's eight to 10 times more water than in all the oceans together. So if you bombard the.

• 2:09:47Danny Jones?

  Under the crust?

• 2:09:48Speaker 04

  In the crust of the Earth, there's eight times more water than, than in all the oceans together. It's the whole primary water, um, uh, thing. It's so inside the crust of the Earth, eight times more.

• 2:10:01Danny Jones?

  In the ground?

• 2:10:02Speaker 04

  In the ground. So if, if you send in enormous amount of radiation towards the Earth, that water becomes so agitated and steaming that it just like all comes out. Uh, and that might completely set the whole world underwater. So.

• 2:10:20Danny Jones?

  Now, would a, would a, would a solar event like this melt, be enough to melt the ice caps?

• 2:10:25Speaker 04

  That, that's another thing is that, so first we have ice caps. If, if there is a solar storm, it, it starts to melt the, these ice caps at the, at the tremendous speed. And it also can create, they call it like, uh, glassification, like melting stones.

• 2:10:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:10:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, so that's also an effect that can happen. Um, yeah, it's, uh.

• 2:10:49Danny Jones?

  I had never heard this before. There's eight times the amount of water in the Earth's crust than the, all of the oceans combined?

• 2:10:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:11:00Danny Jones?

  That sounds so crazy.

• 2:11:01Speaker 04

  And it goes all the way to the, the, the idea from where is water coming from? Because you have the idea of primary waters. So primary water, so today we say, yeah, water is atmospheric. So it, it, it heats up, it goes, creates clouds, it comes down the mountain and it's a cyclical thing. But where's water coming from? So the whole idea of primary water is that water is created inside the Earth itself as, as a chemical process and it.

• 2:11:27Danny Jones?

  Primary water.

• 2:11:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, and it comes out, out of the, the Earth in, in kind of water volcanoes. So cer- certain places on Earth, li- like that we have in, in Spain, like, uh, in, uh, there, the water comes out and it's ancient water. It's, it's like very mineralized, it's hot, it's.

• 2:11:45Danny Jones?

  Like aquifers?

• 2:11:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, an aquifer is more like a store, an underground storage of water.

• 2:11:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:11:50Speaker 04

  Um, we, we do have like giant aquifers under Libya and so, with, what, millions of years old. And the, the same is, is, is, it's very comparable to, to oil. Because there are quite some people who say that oil is, um, a biologic, uh, biological.

• 2:12:07Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:12:08Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, so now we say, okay, oil is, is, is created by ancient forests. There were no bacteria at the time and it was compressed and it creates oil. But today we, we suck down, how this, you know, oil feels completely empty. And we come back 30 years later and they are refilled again. So where is all this oil coming from? So the whole idea that oil might be even regenerated or created within the Earth as, as, as, because we also find oil at extremely deep levels, like 27 kilometers, uh, which is not where we ever had, um, biological, um, yeah, growth.

• 2:12:51Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:12:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:12:53Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 2:12:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, and there are quite some other things that are, yeah, the, the same thing with the Earth expansion theory. Because now we think the Earth is, is like solid.

• 2:13:04Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:13:04Speaker 04

  But, and we do know that we have like, uh, fault lines. And that, yeah, that, that there are, that, and the original, we had Pangea, like one, one piece of land and it started going apart. But the aspect of the, um, the Earth expansion theories, if you take the Earth as like a three-dimensional puzzle and you start shrinking everything, all these land masses click together in a smaller Earth.

• 2:13:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:13:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, and it's like.

• 2:13:30Danny Jones?

  The Earth is, is getting bigger.

• 2:13:32Speaker 04

  It's getting, getting bigger. And it also explains why some kind, so several of these dinosaurs are, they are way too big to live at the gravity level of today because they have like necks of 30 meters long and have birds who are way too heavy to fly. But if the Earth was way smaller, it would, would have made it possible. So the Earth is like, and it's also said that every time we have such solar events, that the Earth starts to, to grow. And that's also why all these, uh.

• 2:14:03Danny Jones?

  And gravity gets heavier when the Earth gets bigger?

• 2:14:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, stronger, yeah.

• 2:14:12Danny Jones?

  Whoa. So how does solar wind tie into all this? Because the solar wind coming from the, coming from the sun somehow creates like the Van Allen radiation belts around the earth, is that right?

• 2:14:24Speaker 04

  The, the sun itself, yeah, has its electromagnetic field and the, and the earth itself is like a giant, yeah,

• 2:14:33Speaker 04

  generator of, and it's fed by, by the energy of, of the sun

• 2:14:39Speaker 04

  by like umbilical cords, but the sun itself is also well connected to the center of, of, of the, the, the Milky Way. And the Milky Way is again connected, so it's like all interconnected thing. The Van Allen belts are, are like protection shields of the earth.

• 2:14:57Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:14:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. And we, and then we go to, to the heart of the matter. That matter itself is just

• 2:15:09Speaker 04

  nonexistent in the sense that it's electric, electromagnetism, like it's like, uh, and so if, if you have like an enormous amount of, of energy coming into this, it, it's matter starts to become created. And that is one of the explanations why the earth is, is growing.

• 2:15:30Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:15:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:15:31Danny Jones?

  That's crazy, man.

• 2:15:32Speaker 04

  There are other options as well, they say from mostly it's like iron. And if you start, if iron starts to rust, corrode, it multiplies by eight in, in volume, but but the, the earth's expansion theory is, is, is very, yeah.

• 2:15:50Danny Jones?

  Is this a super fringe theory that's not, not accepted by many scientists? Or is this, is this sort of like a mainstream thing?

• 2:15:56Speaker 04

  It's, it's well, well documented as well that, that certain parts of the world are connected geologically to the others. And if you start like shrinking it, it all matches perfectly. So the whole idea that Pangea, which was now, now the idea is that we had like a big ball and there was one landmass in the middle. And there, there, and everything was water surrounding it.

• 2:16:21Speaker 04

  And then it starts to, to splits through, through.

• 2:16:26Speaker 04

  But if you just make Pangea the whole ball, with some lakes on it, and you start growing it, then, then it get like the whole.

• 2:16:34Danny Jones?

  So is earth theoretically the only one that's expanding? Or do you think all the planets could be, is this, according to this theory? Do they think all the planets could be expanding as well?

• 2:16:43Speaker 04

  I don't know. Because some of these plants are just gas, gas balls.

• 2:16:48Danny Jones?

  They're just gas, yeah.

• 2:16:49Speaker 04

  So.

• 2:16:50Danny Jones?

  Well, maybe that's what happens when it gets so big, it just turns into gas.

• 2:16:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:16:55Speaker 04

  And then they, yeah.

• 2:16:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's,

• 2:17:01Danny Jones?

  it seems the, it seems most likely to me that, that there's this theory that if all the planets are expanding away from the sun, that, you know, if Mars was once in the habitable zone and earth was more like where Venus is, that, you know, life would have to jump back to the planet that's close to the habitable zone. Right? So like maybe in like millions and millions of years, Venus will be now where earth is aligned with. And then we will have to do, jump back to Venus. What is this, Steve?

• 2:17:31Speaker 04

  It's a, it's an animation. Can I, can I open such one?

• 2:17:36Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, there's cold ones out there if you want one.

• 2:17:37Speaker 04

  Oh, it's fine, it's good.

• 2:17:40Danny Jones?

  Oh, this is a weird animation because it shows the land covering all of the surface.

• 2:17:44Speaker 04

  Yes, so the, that Pangea is, is not like one piece of land surrounded by water, but that Pangea was the whole ball itself.

• 2:17:56Danny Jones?

  And there was no water on the surface?

• 2:17:58Speaker 04

  No water in the surface and the water is created by the planet itself as well. So that, because now the whole theory is that water is, is entering through midrites.

• 2:18:09Speaker 04

  One by one. But if, if the earth is able to create its water, then we have like a whole other story.

• 2:18:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, there's, um, allegedly there is, oh, there were, oh, they, they, they believe, astrophysicists believe that there was more deeper and bigger oceans on Mars than there is currently on earth. Like in ancient Mars, there was probably, what's the stat, Steve? They think it was maybe eight times the amount of water, the amount of volume in oceans on Mars than is currently on earth. Which is very interesting. Like where did all that water go? Did the planet just die?

• 2:18:50Danny Jones?

  Um, what are you doing with bees?

• 2:18:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, bees, I'm a, I'm a beekeeper. Yeah, it just started as part of me being an almond farmer in Spain. And for pollination of my almond trees. And I got into bees. And yeah, one beehive, two beehives, and then I started doing arts projects with bees as well, more as, as a way to help bees deal with, with pollution and, and, and all these things. So.

• 2:19:24Danny Jones?

  Pollution?

• 2:19:26Speaker 04

  Yes, bees are, today, bees are having a lot of issues with, with these crops and, and chemicals that they use. So the bees go to these crops, they, they, they bring in the nectar. And when the, the winters start, they start eating their own pollen and, and honey, and then they started, yeah, poisoning themselves with, with, with the food they were collecting in, in the summer. Um, and then you have these buy offs of, of, of beehives. And it's, it's a big thing. Because bees are very connected to, to humanity. Everything that we like to eat, like apples, and it's pollinated by bees.

• 2:20:11Speaker 04

  And for me, bees also became very,

• 2:20:16Speaker 04

  the way how a beehive is, is also organized. Because many people think we have a queen bee, but the queen bee is not the queen, she's just like the, the breeding mother. All of the organization of the hive is, is not hierarchical. It's, uh, it's coming from, it's organized from, from the middle. So this whole beehive organized itself from the middle. There's no,

• 2:20:46Speaker 04

  there are no directors, so, and, and which is, which I find really interesting, uh, to study towards how, how humanity can function as well as, as, as a, as a, as a unity.

• 2:21:00Danny Jones?

  Like all the other bees mate with the one bee?

• 2:21:03Speaker 04

  No, so the, the, to start with, the, most of the bees are all female as well. You only have.

• 2:21:09Danny Jones?

  They're all female?

• 2:21:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, there are very few drones, drones are male bees. So the majority are, are females. And the difference between a queen bee and then, and a normal bee is that a queen bee is in, in essence, a very normal bee who is fed some queen jelly. So you, you take a normal little bee and you start feeding it another kind of food and it becomes a, a queen bee. This is only based on, on the food. So you can also compare it with information. So that if you have anybody, a normal person, if you feed this person special information, then yeah, you, you create some, some, something else. So, and

• 2:21:55Speaker 04

  the whole organization of, of the, the, the hive is not coordinated by the bee, the bee, the queen bee, she just lays eggs. There is no coordination there. It's the whole hive who self-coordinates.

• 2:22:11Danny Jones?

  So how do they all know what to do and how do they all stay coordinated?

• 2:22:17Speaker 04

  That, that's, that's, yeah, what I find so interesting. So on how, how does it function? How does it work? So they communicate by dancing. So they, they dance. And they're also extremely resistant to a whole lot of things. They are existing for over 100 million years. They're able to, to survive all these cataclysms, even like on La Palma, we had this volcanic outburst like several years ago. And several weeks later, under the sand, on, under the ash, they were able to uncover a whole set of beehives and all the bees were still alive inside.

• 2:22:54Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:22:56Speaker 04

  It's, it's, it's insane how, how hard it is.

• 2:22:58Danny Jones?

  These have been on earth for hundreds of millions of years.

• 2:23:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And, um,

• 2:23:05Speaker 04

  Very inspiring. That's also why so many freemasonic and secret societies are using the bee as an example of how humanity can organize itself.

• 2:23:18Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:23:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:23:20Danny Jones?

  It is something weird here in Florida with bees. A couple of years ago, one of the universities was they were doing some sort of weird study. Look it up, Steve. I don't remember much about it. Just type in Florida University bee study.

• 2:23:38Speaker 04

  Had to do with like bees and electromagnetism, like 5G and things like this, or had it to do with?

• 2:23:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it might have had something to do with electromagnetism or non-native EMFs or something like that.

• 2:23:50Speaker 04

  Because in Europe with the 5G, bees are very sensitive to electromagnetism.

• 2:23:57Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:23:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. And that's, they also say that the bee die-offs, which are huge, are related to 5G and the electromagnetic pollution.

• 2:24:08Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:24:09Speaker 04

  Get disoriented and so on. So bees are like the canary in the coal mine. Yeah, regarding pollution and electromagnetism and food and the whole thing, you know.

• 2:24:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah. What happens if the bees go away?

• 2:24:25Speaker 04

  Well, as Steiner said, Rudolph Steiner, when the bees go away, humanity is about to die as well. Because without bees, mankind cannot survive. So that's how important bees are for our civilization. And the Egyptians knew that very well.

• 2:24:42Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:24:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, because the bees were a major part of their culture. They were cultivating bees. There were also, there are bee hieroglyphs. And the bee itself in Egyptian culture was major important, as well on the aspect of the metaphysical. Yeah.

• 2:25:02Danny Jones?

  And specifically because that they're pollinating crops and spreading agriculture?

• 2:25:10Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. Pollination, agriculture, food. And also, yeah, like the metaphysical thing is that a beehive is considered as a unity. So when it swarms out, it becomes like a cloud.

• 2:25:28Speaker 04

  And there is not, there is no, an idea that these bees are, how say, single identity. So they operate as a whole.

• 2:25:38Danny Jones?

  Like a hive mind?

• 2:25:39Speaker 04

  Yes, because in the past, now we have bee space, so we can put in, yeah, frames and we can harvest.

• 2:25:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:46Speaker 04

  But in the past, the harvest was just like killing all of the bees and then taking out. So these very cozy scap hives that you can see, the way that they were able to harvest it was just killing all of the bees and then taking out. So now we are, yeah, the beekeepers are doing it in a way more, yeah.

• 2:26:08Danny Jones?

  And the issue that you are dealing with over there in Spain is the crops? You're saying that they're sprayed with like insecticides and stuff and it's really harming the bees?

• 2:26:18Speaker 04

  Yes. So the bees today, as well like in France and in Europe and in America, there is so much, yeah, there are so much chemicals being used that it weakens the bees.

• 2:26:38Speaker 04

  And it's very hard for them even to keep up, maintaining their own beehives and then they collapse. So, and that's something that started happening around like 20 years ago. With the, and as well like mites coming in, but the mites, many bees are able to live with these mites, which are like blood-sucking little animals.

• 2:27:04Speaker 04

  And, but the more natural the bees become, back again, like they call it like the killer bees, which are like very aggressive bees and which are, you cannot really do beekeeping with them. But they are able to survive very well because they're way more aggressive against against these, these mites as well. Because we also started breeding bees way too big than they are designed to be. The bees in the past were way smaller, little bees. So now we started like breeding them all the way to giant bees to collect more honey.

• 2:27:45Speaker 04

  And as well, it has to do with the food, because normally if you, the bees bring in honey, nectar, but we steal all the honey and then we put in like just like sugar water. And that becomes their food. So it's, yeah, you can really see the link with how humans are feeding themselves as well. So.

• 2:28:10Danny Jones?

  Have you seen, have you seen those, those videos of guys in Africa climbing trees and literally like grabbing the honeycombs out of the trees and they're completely covered in bees? Like they somehow do it and they don't even flinch. You see this guy climb up like a 30-foot tree in Africa. And people are filming it and this guy is covered from head to toe in bees, not flinching at all, grabbing all the honey. He's literally eating the beehive as he's on the tree covered in bees.

• 2:28:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, they, what they do to, in the past, the expression of milk and honey. Now we have sugars, processed sugar, but in the past, it was not something that sweet as honey. So they wanted to almost die for being able to eat some of that.

• 2:28:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:28:59Speaker 04

  Substance.

• 2:29:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:29:01Speaker 04

  And honey was, yeah, some kind of food for the gods in some kind of way.

• 2:29:08Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Yeah, I just can't imagine, you know, those guys being able to go through that amount of pain just to get some damn honey. And what does that do to them? You know, getting all those, getting all those, all that bee, I don't know if they put out like any venom or anything like that, right? A bee sting? Is there any sort of thing that's injected into you?

• 2:29:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, bees, but they have also tricks, because if you start using smoke and that's what the, the then the bees, they see smoke and then this old survival mechanism kicks in. It's like, oh, there's a fire coming up. So then they start collecting all their own honey. And as soon as they start collecting all the honey, they become harmless. So they don't sting.

• 2:29:50Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:29:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's one of the, why they, yeah, you see that they use smoke.

• 2:29:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, to fumigate the bees out of there.

• 2:29:59Speaker 04

  And sometimes you also see these, these images of people completely covered under bees.

• 2:30:05Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:30:06Speaker 04

  But when a bee swarms out?

• 2:30:08Danny Jones?

  These guys aren't doing it. These guys are covered, these guys are protected from head to toe.

• 2:30:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:30:13Danny Jones?

  What was the, Fearless and Far had a video on this.

• 2:30:16Speaker 07

  Oh, he did?

• 2:30:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:17Speaker 07

  I found a dude that's doing it without a shirt.

• 2:30:20Speaker 04

  Without a shirt?

• 2:30:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but he's wearing face protection. This guy's a pussy.

• 2:30:27Danny Jones?

  And that looks like AI as well.

• 2:30:31Danny Jones?

  I wonder if, if these guys that are doing this could like develop some immunity to it? If they're constantly being stung by bees like that, you know? Maybe they evolved to be immune to bee stings to where it doesn't bother them anymore.

• 2:30:44Speaker 04

  And in the past, you had also bee shamans.

• 2:30:48Danny Jones?

  Bee shamans?

• 2:30:50Speaker 04

  And they use bee stings to

• 2:30:53Danny Jones?

  To get high?

• 2:30:53Speaker 04

  To get high.

• 2:30:54Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:30:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:30:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, he just can't find it.

• 2:31:01Speaker 04

  And the same with the drums, because now we have like auditory drive, journeying of the Mongol shamans. They use like drums, boom, boom, boom. But during the Middle Ages, when the church started to put all these people literally on fire.

• 2:31:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:19Speaker 04

  The only people who were able to continue were the beekeepers, because the beekeepers also have like a, like a drum, but it's a metal drum. It's like a pen. And they were able to keep on drumming because they said that that the drumming themselves was not for shamanic reasons, but for

• 2:31:38Speaker 04

  revitalizing the beehive itself. So in some way, it was, they were able to, to move through this kind of Goldilocks zone of being able to keep on doing their, yeah, bee shamanism and not being prosecuted by the church.

• 2:31:58Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:31:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:32:00Danny Jones?

  That's fascinating, man.

• 2:32:04Danny Jones?

  Is there anything else that we should talk about that we haven't covered so far? That's interesting.

• 2:32:08Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, we did cover quite a lot of things.

• 2:32:12Danny Jones?

  Quite a bit.

• 2:32:14Danny Jones?

  What's, what's like on the, what's, what's next for you? Do you have any, are you working, do you have anything in the works that you're planning on doing soon? Or any like thing, any updates on future expeditions that you're going on or?

• 2:32:27Speaker 04

  So, yeah, I'm moving forward with the Labyrinth of Egypt project, with the realization of this field research station, get it on the ground and getting in. I'm also involved in the Giza project, yeah, trying to figure out what's below the ground up there. So.

• 2:32:45Danny Jones?

  Below the, below the pyramids?

• 2:32:47Speaker 04

  Below the pyramids, yes, yeah, to get into the underground there. I'm also involved in this project in Cusco with the Chicana system near Saxoah Manwall. They found this underground, yeah, labyrinth, which, which is in between the Saxoah Manwall and the city of Cusco.

• 2:33:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's an archer little steam as well at this moment, active there.

• 2:33:19Speaker 04

  And through, through this, this data archive AI project I am setting up.

• 2:33:27Speaker 04

  Everything is being connected to each other. So.

• 2:33:34Danny Jones?

  Fascinating, man. Well, thanks for doing this. It's been a fascinating convo. Thank you for making the trip. Where can people find more of your stuff? I know you have a Substack, right?

• 2:33:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have a Substack. It's, yeah, Labyrinth of Egypt.

• 2:33:50Speaker 04

  I have also my foundation, which is called the Mataha Foundation, and also cooperating with the Archaeological Rescue Foundation in America. It's also like a 501(c)(3). And it's like a cooperation, the realization of rescuing archaeology.

• 2:34:10Danny Jones?

  Rescuing what? Archaeology?

• 2:34:12Speaker 04

  Archaeology.

• 2:34:13Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay, cool. All right, cool. Well, we'll link all that stuff below.

• 2:34:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:34:18Danny Jones?

  And thanks again, dude. This has been fascinating conversation. I really appreciate you making the trip out here.

• 2:34:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:34:25Danny Jones?

  And explaining all this stuff. Yeah, we'll have to do an update down the road when more stuff happens with this labyrinth.

• 2:34:30Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, great.

• 2:34:31Danny Jones?

  All right. Thanks again. Good night, folks.

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