#447 - NASA Study Confirms "Predatory" Plasma Beings & Von Braun's Alien Warning | Jay Anderson

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• 0:52Danny Jones?

  I think the first thing I ever saw that you did was that Bobby Ray Inman podcast.

• 0:55Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:56Danny Jones?

  Which was totally bananas. Like, you know, like I said earlier, that dude was fighting for his life when you started asking him about the whole UFO topic. And, you know, that guy was like former CIA Deputy Director, NSA.

• 1:07Speaker 06

  Euro.

• 1:08Danny Jones?

  He had every single.

• 1:09Speaker 06

  There's a few different.

• 1:10Danny Jones?

  Accolade you could possibly think of.

• 1:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was a, yeah, he was a weird guy to interview, mainly just because, you know, underneath the actual interview, you know, at least you have a very strong suspicion that this guy could give you a lot of information if he wanted to. And the way it came about, like I was explaining to you, it was very synchronistic, you know, the kind of like, to explain to people Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, you know, very high ranking, you know, he's now in his 90s, but he directed, like you said, CIA, DIA, the National Underwater Reconnaissance Office. He was a director at SAIC, the Science Applications International Corporation, which is another one of those kind of black project adjacent, you know, think tanks and

• 1:53Speaker 06

  contractors for the US government. So he's definitely like one of the tip of the spear guys, especially because of his, his age, he's situated in the legacy world, right? You know, through the Cold War, all of the time where we think that the secrecy really started to concretize around exotic energy and technology and the UFO subject. And there's this guy called Bob Exler, who knew him. He was a NASA mission specialist and he knew Bobby Ray Inman, and he had many phone conversations with Bobby. And there's one that was recorded. I think it was like in the 70s or the 80s that he actually recorded the phone call. It's on YouTube. I remember seeing the documentary years back. And he literally says on the phone to Bobby Ray Inman, "Do you think that the recovered vehicles would ever be made available

• 2:35Speaker 06

  for technical research outside of the military circles?" And Bobby Ray Inman says to Bob Exler, "10 years ago, I would have said no, but as time is beginning to evolve and people are becoming more open on it, it's a possibility." So that to me is a pretty, you know, damning statement about having exotic, potentially non-human technology being studied by the military. So I brought that up with Admiral Bobby Ray Inman when we did our interview. And, you know, it's interesting from the body language perspective, he was very relaxed throughout the entirety of the interview. You know, we're talking geopolitics and things that were within his wheelhouse, and he was very relaxed and, you know, speaking about his perspective on the current state of things geopolitically. And then we get into the UFO

• 3:21Speaker 06

  subject, and, you know, I bring up Bob Exler, and immediately this guy is suddenly tightening his whole body up and he starts going, "No, no, no, there were no UFOs, absolutely no UFOs." And he starts kind of going down a spiel, which we've heard before about how a lot of this was just classified, you know, platforms like the SR-71, and, you know, kind of going down that, oh, it was just Area 51 surveillance platforms that people were misidentifying.

• 3:46Danny Jones?

  We love Bobby Ray Inman's bio, Steve.

• 3:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, because it's good. There's, there's quite a few accolades on there.

• 3:49Danny Jones?

  You said something to, he said something, or you, you said something from the interview to Bobby Ray Inman, and you said something like, there was a guy from Area 51 who said, like, "If our technology got into the hands of civilians, we would be able to traverse the galaxy," or something like that. And he was like, "Oh, they're talking about the SR-71."

• 4:07Speaker 06

  Well, that was, that was a different guy. That was in a relationship to the flux liner, the ARV flux liner. So that was a separate story. Like, I pressed Admiral Bobby Ray Inman on Bob Exler, because Bob Exler obviously recorded him and was saying, you know, recovered vehicles, reverse engineering. And there's even a news, a news clip, I think he was on the UK news here. This is the clip that I, I kind of found initially, that's been circulating around the UFO community for a while. But he also went on like, I think

• 4:36Danny Jones?

  Find the bio for Bobby Ray Inman, Steve.

• 4:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, find the bio. But he does say it in this. He does actually say it in this, in this video. But Bob Exler went on like the British news at one point, and he was literally, the woman said to him like, "But don't you think it could be misidentifications or, you know, helicopters or UFO, you know, something like that?" And he was like, "Well, Admiral Bobby Ray Inman convinced me that these were alien vehicles, and that's good enough for me." So there's like multiple points where this guy reaffirms, this is what the guy was actually saying to him, you know, so.

• 5:03Danny Jones?

  And when you talked to him, he denied that there were any, he's like, "No, I don't believe, there's no UFO vehicles anywhere."

• 5:10Speaker 06

  No UFOs.

• 5:11Danny Jones?

  He said, he said Area 51 Roswell was some sort of a balloon to detect nuclear stuff?

• 5:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, he went into the classic kind of weather balloon Roswell, SR-71 misidentification, like that's all, all of this is. But he also, and I told you before, he reiterated multiple times during the podcast, "I have high confidence that there is no," and he emphasized this, "I have high confidence that there is no living life in our galaxy." And he said that like three or four times, and a few people picked up on this, like, how could someone say, how would anyone, even if they're like the highest level intel guy in the world, make the statement about the entire galaxy being completely, you know, bereft of life? It doesn't make any sense. But I've wondered about what he was really trying to say there, because he did say to me privately that, "As much as I feel like I didn't give you

• 5:59Speaker 06

  what you wanted, I want you to pay very close attention to what I had to say." And this guy, again, tip of the spear, intelligence, the shadows, working with kind of like cloak and dagger language. You have to really read between the lines with these guys, and then read between those lines again, right? So there's something there, maybe, that he's trying to hint at us, but, you know, I don't know what to, you know, trust or what to think or feel. But he definitely tightened up once we got onto Bob Exler, and I don't think he was expecting me to know about that particular part of his history, and it stumped him, you could tell, you know?

• 6:30Danny Jones?

  I don't feel like it's that common, that a guy with those kind of credentials is gonna want to do a podcast with somebody.

• 6:36Speaker 06

  No, no, I was really surprised that he did.

• 6:39Danny Jones?

  What's his, what's his bio, Steve? You got it?

• 6:42Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 6:43Danny Jones?

  Is there like a bullet point, a bullet list of all the shit that he was a part of?

• 6:47Speaker 06

  To be fair, that video that you had does actually kind of say all the things that he did.

• 6:52Danny Jones?

  Does it really?

• 6:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's pretty concise as well. It's only like a couple of minutes.

• 6:57Danny Jones?

  Uh, okay, fuck it. Let's just watch the video.

• 7:00Speaker 06

  Oh, the video? Yeah.

• 7:02Danny Jones?

  What part of the video shows it?

• 7:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think about here.

• 7:04Danny Jones?

  Right about there?

• 7:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, just go, yeah, there we go. About there, there you go.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  He was director of both Naval Intelligence and the National Security Agency, as well as Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and the CIA. In a telephone conversation with Bob Exler in 1989, he referred to recovered vehicles becoming available for research.

• 7:28Danny Jones?

  Wasn't he also part of some bank? Some like big bank?

• 7:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, Federal Reserve. He was part of the Federal Reserve, pretty sure.

• 7:34Speaker 03

  Recovered vehicles would never be, uh, become available for, uh, technological research outside of the, uh, military circles. Again, I honestly don't know. Uh, 10 years ago, the answer would have been no. Whether as time has evolved, they're beginning to become more open on it, is a possibility.

• 7:54Speaker 06

  Seems like you're suggesting here that you're. Oh, this guy stole my video. Retriived UFOs being studied by the military. This is my, this is my interview.

• 8:01Danny Jones?

  His face is pink.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Retriived UFOs. I have high confidence that was not the case.

• 8:08Speaker 06

  Hang on a second.

• 8:09Danny Jones?

  High confidence, no UFOs.

• 8:11Speaker 06

  Scroll down, let me see, let me see the description on this video.

• 8:14Danny Jones?

  He didn't give you credit, bro.

• 8:16Speaker 06

  He's, he's got you all up in the video, though.

• 8:19Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, it's a compilation.

• 8:20Speaker 06

  It's a compilation of all my achievements.

• 8:22Danny Jones?

  It's one of you and Jesse as well.

• 8:24Speaker 06

  A compilation of stuff I did without telling anyone that I did it. Thanks, bud.

• 8:27Danny Jones?

  Funny.

• 8:28Speaker 06

  Appreciate it. Alien antics.

• 8:30Danny Jones?

  Let him get some, let him get some views, bro. 374 views. Um, Annie, you know, it's funny, like people like him, that old, like into their 90s, you wonder, like, are they gonna, are they gonna give us, you know, are they gonna let, let, let loose like right before they go? Like, just to, you know, come clean with God or whatever they believe? And, and, you know, Annie Jacobson told me when she was on the podcast last time, that these dudes have these things called minders, which are like FBI babysitters.

• 8:58Speaker 06

  Oh, dude, the guy.

• 8:58Danny Jones?

  When they get close to death.

• 8:59Speaker 06

  The guy that I told you, who's my friend, who was subordinate to him in the US Navy, who was the point of contact between me and Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, he goes through his minder. So like.

• 9:09Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 9:10Speaker 06

  Confirmed 100%. Like, the guy has a, has someone, you know, taking care of him forever. The guy's 90-something and, you know, has someone on, has an aide.

• 9:19Danny Jones?

  On, like a, a guy that's on payroll that is supposed to babysit them to make sure they don't spill the beans on anything.

• 9:27Speaker 06

  Who knows why.

• 9:28Danny Jones?

  That's gotta be it.

• 9:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, probably, right? But yeah, I mean, like, the guy is probably in his, I'd say probably about 94 now. Um, I feel like if he was gonna come out, probably would have done it. Maybe he has something at his end of life, like actually upon his death, there'll be a release of information. Or maybe, um, you know, it's, it's hard to know, like someone like this, he's, he's so withheld with what he knows, and he's been in so many different positions of influence within the architecture of the US intelligence community on subjects and in areas that would focus in on something like UFOs when it came up.

• 10:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 10:02Speaker 06

  And the fact that he was, you know, obviously named by Bob Exler as the main point of evidence for him, that the alien vehicles are actually being recovered and retrieved and reverse engineered. I think that it's pretty likely that this guy is one of the, the big dudes. In fact, my, my friend thinks that he's, you know, within, if it exists, the majestic, original majestic collection, you know, as a point of authority within it, which would be likely. Uh, whether he comes out on his deathbed or whether he comes out.

• 10:28Danny Jones?

  They won't let him. They fucking, as soon as he tries to do, the guy, that minder's gonna be on him.

• 10:31Speaker 06

  This is what I mean, man. Like, even I'm just a bit like, you know, God, it's like just creepy speaking to people like that, because then you're suddenly like within the connective network of, keep an eye on Jay, you know what I mean? It's just like, gives you a bit of a shiver sometimes. Like, I prefer going to like the pyramids and places in Peru and, and kind of shaking off the intelligence guys that I've been interacting with for years. But I still like to cover this subject and talk about these things. But yeah, after a while, like, you know, dipping your toes into this world can be a bit unnerving.

• 11:01Danny Jones?

  Do you know, oh, what's his name? Um, um, this gentleman that we had in the podcast, who was telling us about, god damn it, why am I forgetting his name? My memory's so shot. Um, Bob? The UFO guy?

• 11:19Danny Jones?

  Bob Mc- Bob McGuire.

• 11:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm familiar with Bob McGuire. Science Bob.

• 11:24Danny Jones?

  Science Bob. I loved him. He was a super nice guy. And he was on here and he was telling me that the people who get to his level of secrets, who get like told those that level of secrets, or let into those programs, like at the NSA or the CIA, or like whatever kind of black projects are going on, they're made to sign this crazy NDA that says, you're signing away your right to basically exist after we show you this stuff. And you're basically giving them, you're giving the country uh, the legal authority to do to get rid of you. Or you're gonna have to walk away from your public life if anything ever happens.

• 12:07Danny Jones?

  And he was saying that's what he thinks happened with the missing scientist, that that one general that went missing.

• 12:11Speaker 06

  General McCaslin.

• 12:12Danny Jones?

  McCaslin, yeah.

• 12:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, I can believe that. I take everything that Bob says with a pinch of salt, because he's just part of the intel network and part of the kind of, you know, groups within UFOlogy that I've fallen out of trust with, so.

• 12:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 12:25Speaker 06

  Well, he he's he navigates through the whole, you know, TTSA network and very kind of quickly placed himself within that. And I kind of take exception to the fact that he always does seem to have some form of internal story. When something goes viral, like Admiral Wilson documents, or the triangular vehicle that came out of the ocean that pilots apparently saw that we were all being told we'd see the video footage of, I think, like two, three years ago and never saw the video footage of. And when that happened, he suddenly had something to say about, you know, oh, I was aware of this internally. And then the Admiral Wilson documents or something came across my desk. And I just get suspicious of people that always seem to have a claim to fame around a viral story, but never bring receipts to confirm that they were actually involved.

• 13:08Speaker 06

  So, you know, I see that pattern a lot within the UFO community, especially with the intel guys. So I just, you know, maybe he's telling the truth, but I just pinch a soul everything these days.

• 13:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 13:19Speaker 06

  You've met me at my most cynical point in the UFO world for sure, bro.

• 13:22Danny Jones?

  Retreat from the whole thing.

• 13:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:24Danny Jones?

  And just dive in for a little for a few minutes and then pull right back out.

• 13:27Speaker 06

  Pull back out. If you stay immersed within, you'll get lost.

• 13:29Danny Jones?

  It's more fun that way.

• 13:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, it is.

• 13:30Danny Jones?

  It's way more fun.

• 13:31Speaker 06

  Take a break. No, you do. You have to take a break from it and just kind of like, okay, like, you know, let's not get too sucked down into the black hole of all of this chaos. But, you know, there's something there. UFOs are real, whatever they are. I've had my own personal experiences, which is what catalyzed me even getting into this subject and creating a YouTube channel in the first place. So I know that there is something integral and real, but I don't think trusting and giving power over to the national security architecture of the US or the UK or any of the five I's, like, it just doesn't meet, doesn't seem to be a sensible approach to objectively looking at the UFO subject. You know, they're all looking at it through the lens of national security and sovereignty and airspace and threats. And I don't necessarily think that's the approach that we should be going through. We should be going through scientific curiosity, you know? I'm not really seeing much of that.

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• 16:13Speaker 06

  Um, well, I had a series of experiences that were connected to, I guess, what Stephen Greer would call CE5. So I was not involved in the UFO subjects around 2018, 2017. Like, I was aware of like the New York Times Post coming out and the Navy pilots and the Tic Tac. And I was like, wow, that's like crazy. But I wasn't really involved in it. But there was a series of circumstances, you know, it's quite a long story. But before I was getting involved in any of this, I was a bit lost and just kind of a young man coming out of college and just trying to find my way in the world, you know, having dramas and fallouts with friends and things happening where I was just kind of like, I don't know what direction I want to go in in life. And I've always been a very curious person.

• 16:56Speaker 06

  And so I've, you know, kind of looked at the spiritual side of things and the scientific side of things as I've gone through life and tried to make sense of it. And so when I was in a pretty weird state of mind, like kind of depressed and not really knowing where to go in life, I actually was sitting on my bed one day and I just kind of said out loud to the universe, like, give me something that makes sense with all of the things that I've been researching. Because at this point, not publicly, but privately diving down rabbit holes in philosophy and quantum mechanics and, you know, all at layman level, I'm not impressive in that sense. But just getting a sense of things that to me were confirming the way the reality seemed to be, but I wasn't quite sure where I was trying to take my own research, my own kind of perspective on life. And so I was feeling a bit lost and I just kind of said out loud to the universe, like, give me something

• 17:41Speaker 06

  tangible and real that confirms these weird avenues of research, like, you know, non-local consciousness and universal mind and things that I do resonate with, but I genuinely feel like I need more proof and like, you know, give me something real. Give me something that actually like demonstrates that these things are real. And then about a week later, my friend was like, dude, you know, you gotta watch this documentary I just checked out. And I was like, all right, what is it? He said, it's unacknowledged by this guy called Dr. Stephen Greer. So this was my first introduction. Never heard of Greer. Didn't really research UFOs, was aware of the Tic Tac stuff, but this is like, you know, the first kind of foot in the door. So we watched that documentary, really good. He's got like, you know, missile launch officers on there and like, you know, some serious intel dudes. And if it's your first introduction, it kind of drives home the seriousness of it like, wow, okay, there's like, you know,

• 18:26Speaker 06

  actual people within government taking this really seriously. But then near the end of that documentary, he brings in this whole idea of CE5. Like this idea that you can consciously, through meditative practice and through kind of expanding your own mind, make requests to the universe, or, you know, as crazy as that sounds, project your intentions out into the universe and have a response from some form of intelligence. Now Greer would go down the path of kind of saying, everything that you're engaging with at that point is a peaceful advanced civilization. I wouldn't go as far as to say that. And I never used Stephen Greer's very specific method of CE5. But he planted the seed because it was, you know, immediately when he said about this practice,

• 19:10Speaker 06

  I was I was thinking about being on my bed the week prior, saying I need some form of evidence, right? And now here's a guy saying, hey, you want evidence? Go out into your garden and and do this and you'll get evidence.

• 19:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 19:22Speaker 06

  So it's a very strange um, kind of subcategory of the UFO community, the whole contact community. And I roll my eyes at a lot of it because I think there's a language problem. You know, a lot of people see this as just like woo woo, spiritual, magical, nonsensical, fantastical. Not real. And I get that. I actually would side with the skeptics more than the experiences, even though I'm an experiencer. Because I agree that we have to talk about it in a way that makes sense to our modern way of understanding things and not just rely on platitudes and spiritual language. We have to try and drill down into what is actually going on. So I went out into my garden, like basically after hearing that, I was like, okay, gonna gonna try that then.

• 20:07Speaker 06

  So I went out into my garden and and literally I'm not a meditative practitioner. I've never done any sort of disciplined meditative practice. All I did was breathe in through the nose, breathe out through the mouth, calm my mind down. And once I felt calm enough, I started to very clearly model my thoughts around the intention that I wanted to see something, that I wanted something to respond to me on the same level that I'm reaching out on, which is a peaceful communication. I want to, you know, have a peaceful contact or peaceful interaction. If you're aware of me, if you can hear this, if you can sense it, I'm ready, you know, this kind of just over and over again, just putting out these types of thoughts and in my mind, imagining that they were in some way emanating from my body.

• 20:52Speaker 06

  After a while of doing that, kind of breathing in, breathing out, cycling through these thoughts, imagining that you're projecting it from you, you genuinely do get some physiological effects, like a bit of tingling and energetic feeling that, you know, you're actually locking into something to a certain extent. And it started off very lightly. So I I've always loved looking at the night sky, you know.

• 21:13Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 21:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, of course, satellites and, you know, stars and planets. And I'd love just, you know, lying down, looking up at the night sky. So I know what it looks like. I know what satellites look like. I've seen weird things happen that can be explained. But what happened first of all was I would start to see a really large influx of what looked like satellites, like white little dots floating through the sky, but a really large volume of them, like 20, 25, 30, coming from different sides of the sky within the space of about five minutes, just like a really busy sky. It's just like, okay, that's weird. They look like satellites, so I'm not gonna lose my mind, but that's weird. Next night, go out again, you know, seeing another increase in these white orbs coming around, these satellite looking objects.

• 21:59Speaker 06

  Third night, go out again, same type of thing, but now suddenly some of them, as they're coming across, will glow really brightly, flash, and then receive back down again. And it seemed to happen in alignment with my thoughts. And as I would kind of see this and kind of send another thought, it would flash again. Now, I know what an iridium flare is, and you can get satellites that catch the sunlight, and it will flash, and you can get this kind of flash as it transits.

• 22:28Danny Jones?

  That's sort of what's called an iridium flare?

• 22:29Speaker 06

  An iridium flare, because it comes from iridium satellites. These other satellites we have now don't have the same kind of reflectivity, but the iridium satellites would have, it's like, it was called an iridium flare or an iridium glare.

• 22:40Danny Jones?

  So these are like old satellites?

• 22:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, like old school satellites. There you go. So people would actually, you know, people will go out and, and they will know the exact time of, of the transit and trajectory to catch this rare flash, this rare awesome flash in the night sky.

• 22:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 22:56Speaker 06

  I was seeing these things flashing like sequentially, like, like twenty times as they came across the sky. And not just one of them, but you know, three or four or five would come over in the space of ten, twenty minutes. And each one of them would do a glow and a flash, and it would not be like regular and ordered, but it seemed to happen in alignment with me thinking thoughts. So that was like one step up. First, it was a large influx of satellites. Now these satellites are doing things that I've never seen satellites do. Then it started to get a little weirder. So I was sitting in my room and I got a strong sense that I should go downstairs. It was nighttime, I just got a strong sense, you should go out and do the, the whole practice thing. You should go out right now.

• 23:37Speaker 06

  And so I went down into my, uh, downstairs, out of my kitchen door, which leads into my back garden. And the moment I come out of my kitchen door and look up, I see this incredibly bright, like, I can't even really describe it properly. It was like a comet firework, this huge comet type thing with glittery silver tail coming off. Like a child's comet, like a child's comet from a, from a book, just came right over the sky, directly above my head.

• 24:04Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 24:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. So weird things started happening. But it was in August of two thousand and nineteen that I had three experiences, sorry, four experiences. Don't go crazy, people, I am telling the truth, I've told this story a million times. Four experiences with orange orbs of light. And these were the ones that really changed me. This was where I actually went, okay, I think I have to do something. And that was take a camera, put it into a forest on a tree branch and kind of say, hey, world, like I'm Jay, and I've had these experiences, that's where it started. So in two thousand and nineteen, August, after probably about, I want to say a month of going out and seeing flashes and strange stuff in the sky, I am doing the same thing in my garden, looking up at the night sky.

• 24:48Speaker 06

  And what I first see is I'm, I'm panning around and it's a crystal clear black night sky with the stars out. And I'm standing at the back of, sorry if I'm going a bit too far away from the mic. I can get a bit Italian with my gestures. I start moving around all over the place. Um, so I'm standing at the back of my garden, looking towards my house, like at the back of the path. And I'm looking around the night sky and there's a cloud that's coming across the night sky. And I do a bit of a double take, I look at it, I look back, and then I come back and I focus on it. And when I look at it properly, I realize that this, this dark cloud, which is if, if I'm here and this is my house, this cloud is coming in this direction. So eventually it's going to come past my house and continue on in this way. And I'm back here.

• 25:30Speaker 06

  But when I looked at the cloud properly, it had this weird, the only way I've been able to describe it is like a thin overlay of TV static. There was like a shimmer, like a weird shimmer to it, energized or, you know, agitated in some way, like particles, very weird. So obviously I see that and I just lock on to this cloud, like, what is that?

• 25:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 25:52Speaker 06

  It's coming this way, like I said, so like if I'm here and this is my house, it's going to literally go past my house. It gets in alignment with my house and me on the path. Danny, I kid you not, man, it did this right angle turn, like it literally went and started heading towards me in, in the sky. Like high up in the sky, but it's now directly in alignment with me. And if it doesn't change its direction, it's going to come directly above my head. So I'm watching this thing and I'm not terrified, but I'm completely stunned. Like that right angle turn was so jarring that I was just kind of like, my heart did skip a beat when I saw it, like this abrupt change. And all I could do was really stare at it and I was just watching as it, you know, got closer and closer to my head. It got directly above my head.

• 26:37Speaker 06

  And, you know, I said, I said, I'm pretty sure I said the same thing at the exact same time on Joe Rogan, but it feels like something to reiterate is, is something Terrence McKenna said about UFO experiences, where he said, if you, you know, if you tell the unvarnished truth, people will just take you for a fool. And it is really true, like, because everything about, you know, a full UFO experience is just bizarre. And I don't expect people to believe it. But this cloud came above my head and as it was directly above my head, it sucked into itself, like there was a vacuum in a central point, it just went into it, into itself. And as it did this, it revealed what was actually within this cloud, which was a triangle formation of about twenty-five, thirty orange orbs of light

• 27:21Speaker 06

  in a perfect triangle formation, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, like that. It didn't stop, so this happened, revealed this triangle and it kept going this way. So I had to crane my net around and look at it as it went off into the distance. And as I was looking at it, I could observe that some of these balls of light were shifting position in this formation. So it wasn't a vehicle, it was a, a squadron of orbs, like a whole squadron of orbs, like hiding inside an energized pseudo cloud that they then collapsed right above my head as a triangle formation just emerges from it. Completely true. Um, and that was the first experience I had with these orbs of light.

• 28:00Danny Jones?

  How long did this triangle stay above your head?

• 28:02Speaker 06

  It didn't like loiter, so it literally just, it happened and it kept moving. So it, it probably stayed in my line of sight as I turned around for about nine seconds as it moved off into the sky and became too hard to perceive. But yeah, like directly above my head, this reveal, shocked. Um, it was about ten thirty at night. First person I called up was my mom to be like, yo, you won't believe what happened. She was having a meal with my stepdad and I sounded insane. You know, my family took, it took a little bit of time for them to really come around to the idea that this was true. My dad thought I'd had like a mental breakdown. And I, I get it because at the time, this was such a confirmatory series of experiences for me that I did actually become, to an extent, a bit of a zealot.

• 28:45Speaker 06

  Like, you know, just to an extent, I was like, this is just real, it's about consciousness, it's about connecting with the wider, you know, system of, of, of intelligence in the universe. And I think for my family, it seemed like a real sudden abrupt, like, whoa, what's happening with him? But for me, it was like.

• 29:01Danny Jones?

  Jay joined a cult.

• 29:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, for real, right?

• 29:03Danny Jones?

  Call the cops.

• 29:04Speaker 06

  Hundred, a hundred percent, like that's, that's the vibe. And, you know, for me, it was like a revelatory experience. And then obviously I had like three other experiences, including one where they came down very low and hovered above the roof of my house, three of these orange orbs. So that's kind of the most impressive experience, I think. I mean, the triangle is just mind blowing, but the other two times they flew by in two different formations. So again, in my back garden, and this all happened within the space of a month. So I was looking, you know, out of the night sky and I just saw like in my peripheral, and they always came from the left hand side, I'm, I'm not really sure why, but just an observation, they always seem to come from the left hand side. I just saw like this flash of orange light in my peripheral, looked up and there was like a W formation of them with a couple trailing off of the back.

• 29:48Speaker 06

  And they just came and transited across the sky, like in about six, seven seconds.

• 29:54Speaker 06

  That was it, that's all, all they did. Then I saw them again in like a V formation with a couple of them trailing off of the back. So a W and a V and a triangle, which were all kind of similar geometric patterns when you think about it. So it's like, I don't know if that's something to read into at all, but the third experience out of the four, because the fourth was like the V formation. So it's like first one was this triangle reveal above my head, second was a W formation, third was weird, fourth was this V formation. So the third one, back of my garden, looking up at the sky, see a series of orange orbs, these three orange orbs come flying across the sky and they stop directly, like literally come like this and stop directly above my property.

• 30:36Speaker 06

  So I'm looking up at these three lights and I realize that they're kind of moving around each other. And it takes me a bit of time to see that they're actually descending down. And as I'm watching them, these orbs are kind of rotating like this around each other in a very hypnotic way, like this very smooth motion coming down like this. Bro, they literally stopped like three feet above the roof of my house. Three orbs of light, more like circular than spherical, they didn't even look three dimensional, they looked two dimensional. The only way that I've described it is a camera effect called bokeh or bokeh. You know that? So for people that don't know, it's very typical in films, you'll see it when a camera out focuses on like a highway

• 31:19Speaker 06

  and the car lights just become circles of light, red circles, white circles. That's exactly what it looks like. So they literally looked, like if you see that black one in the middle, that's quite good, where it's like loads of little orbs, like loads of little orange orbs.

• 31:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 31:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, like they looked like.

• 31:33Danny Jones?

  They look out of focus like that?

• 31:34Speaker 06

  Not out of focus, but slightly ghostly, slightly transparent.

• 31:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 31:38Speaker 06

  They were circular instead of spherical, slightly transparent, ghostly, orange lights that just came down from the sky and hovered. So they were doing this rotation, they come down and then as they get to where they stop, they just go, that could just pause, like really abrupt stop. And they were hovering above my house for like six, seven seconds, maybe less. Then they started this rotation again and they went over to my neighbor's garden, like it's just me outside. I don't know if my neighbors would have seen them if they had come outside, maybe they wouldn't have, you know? I've thought about the whole psychic projection, like, you know, manifestation of your own inner energy, like possible. Maybe it was only me that could perceive it. Um, but they they went over like this and they froze over my neighbor's fence for like another five seconds.

• 32:22Speaker 06

  And then they unfroze and they started rotating and they went up into the sky and up and up and up until I couldn't see him anymore. I haven't seen them since and you know, I kind of kicked myself because you you know, you're you're out there in your garden. Trying to be this ambassador of the universe, like, oh, you know, like projecting out like, then they come and you just become an idiot. Just just a darn monkey, just staring at them like I had no thoughts in my head. I had no peaceful message, no information to convey. They just came down, saw me and I was just like looking at them like. You know what I mean? It's like, well, that was a waste of time, you know, for them, not for me. For me, it changed everything about my entire perspective of universe and consciousness, but you know, because that's another thing. It was like a domino effect of realizations that came from that. So.

• 33:04Speaker 06

  Okay, I'm thinking thoughts and I'm imagining that I am projecting these thoughts out into the universe. My thoughts are about a communication. An invitation, an attempt to have some form of interaction. An interaction occurred. So an interaction occurred externally from my body, from internal thoughts. So that means that my internal thoughts can go externally out into the universe and something can receive that. That means that consciousness is non-local. That means that when I die, my consciousness continues on, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, because everything that happened is basically a confirmation of consciousness operating non-locally. Quantum communication across, you know, infinite distances. At least that's what I think. Otherwise, you know, maybe.

• 33:47Speaker 06

  Like I said, it could be a psychic projection. The Buddhists call it a tulpa, you know, manifestation of your own inner energy, your own inner psyche. Projected out into the external world. And if that's the case, then I was just talking to myself. But then again, if we're in the mind of God, what's the difference?

• 34:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 34:02Speaker 06

  Right? So, you know, lots of realizations.

• 34:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, me and Steve saw something similar to that. Um, I don't know if you've ever seen the video, but we, uh, this dude Chris Bledsoe took me and Steve out to the beach. When he came here a couple of years ago, probably three years ago now.

• 34:15Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 34:15Danny Jones?

  And, uh, him and his daughter Emily, we went out to the beach and he said he could conjure these orbs. I was like, let me see it. Steve, bring your camera. And Steve brought his camera and we were sat on the beach for a shit you not two hours. While he was like praying to Jesus in the sky, trying to get this thing to come. And, um. Nothing was happening. And at the very end, like two hours in, they got this orb to appear off the fricking. Off the horizon of the ocean. And there was planes flying in and out like through the air, like landing in on Tampa from the Gulf or whatever. And they all had navigation lights on them, right? And it was pretty obvious what the planes were. This thing was definitely not a plane. I don't know what it could have been. Actually, somebody.

• 34:56Danny Jones?

  Um, somebody made a good point recently. The last, the last person we showed this to, um, said it could have been.

• 35:05Speaker 04

  They said it was a boat.

• 35:06Danny Jones?

  Uh, some sort of a boat or something, which is possible. It could have been a boat.

• 35:09Speaker 04

  It's possible. The thing that lifted off the horizon, but what about the one that appeared in the air, hundreds of feet above that?

• 35:15Danny Jones?

  Right. And and also another caveat to this, which I forgot through time. Is this is not filmed on a normal camera. This is filmed on this thing called a psionic camera. Which is like a low light.

• 35:26Speaker 06

  My bullshit Mia just went.

• 35:28Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  It's just that the sensors, this, the gain of the sensor has been pushed incredibly high and and it's able to resolve a little bit better.

• 35:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 35:43Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 35:43Danny Jones?

  So you can. It's sensitivity to light is like through the roof.

• 35:46Speaker 06

  Right.

• 35:47Danny Jones?

  So.

• 35:47Speaker 06

  They should, they should rebrand the name.

• 35:50Danny Jones?

  Still, though, this is crazy, though. I've never seen anything like this.

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. So this is the, let me, let me, uh, set it up for you. So all of this up here, this is night sky. This is a. Star or a plane. You're you're going to see the planes over here.

• 36:03Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  And this black line is the horizon. This is the ocean. So we're we're seeing like, I don't know, four or five miles out. And then this is the orb that appears beyond the horizon. And then there's another one that pops up after that.

• 36:18Speaker 00

  One more time.

• 36:21Danny Jones?

  That's a plane up left.

• 36:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, you can sell.

• 36:24Speaker 00

  There's something right on the water, right on the water. Thank you, thank you. If you could flash for us and.

• 36:33Speaker 06

  I remember saying.

• 36:34Danny Jones?

  They they talked to it.

• 36:35Speaker 06

  No, that's like, dude, I was saying the same stuff like in my garden, you know?

• 36:38Speaker 00

  Right there.

• 36:39Danny Jones?

  Watch this above it.

• 36:40Speaker 00

  It's still in the camera.

• 36:42Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 36:43Speaker 00

  It's still in here.

• 36:44Speaker 06

  I see it. No, that that's that's a really good one. That's interesting.

• 36:47Danny Jones?

  Now watch, this one gets fucking bright.

• 36:48Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 36:50Speaker 06

  Nevermind. I've seen that. Yep, yep. That's what I'm talking about, Danny, right there. That's what I'm talking about.

• 36:55Danny Jones?

  So I I was able to see it. I was able to see it. I, so she was using this ionic camera. I was able to see that with just my own eyes.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, me too.

• 37:04Danny Jones?

  Cause you could hear me.

• 37:05Speaker 06

  Mm hmm. Yeah, you see, that's legit.

• 37:06Danny Jones?

  I don't know what the fuck that was, bro.

• 37:09Speaker 06

  I've, um, people will, people will know that I've been critical of Chris Bledsoe because I do think that he's had a whole. Bunch of the intel community just swarm in on him and really like, you know, built him up to to to think too deeply of himself, to be honest.

• 37:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 37:22Speaker 06

  You know, but he is successfully doing what thousands of other people are doing all over the planet. Like, it's not, you know, I think that.

• 37:29Danny Jones?

  Dude, his story is fucking fascinating, depressing. It's his, like, his life story is.

• 37:36Speaker 06

  It is.

• 37:37Danny Jones?

  Tragic, you know, and you know, I I think, I think, I think he's genuine, but I agree with you. He has been, he's had all these spooky people swarm in on him. And hijack his narrative.

• 37:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, and and reinforce others, you know, in his mind. Um, and I just think you have to be careful of falling into any particular ideology. I mean, of course, he's a, he's a Christian, so he's going to take it from that Christian perspective and pray to Jesus for reciting. I didn't have to pray to Jesus for reciting and I'm sure if someone, uh, wanted to pray to Buddha for reciting, they'd get the same because what I think it is, is about human belief. It's it's it's your personal belief in your own ability for something to happen that causes it to happen. If you want to use the channel of Jesus Christ or a sacred staff that you put in the ground and say like, this staff is going to help me communicate, it will happen. Because you believe it. And that to me is like, you know, you take a couple of steps back from any belief system or ideology.

• 38:30Speaker 06

  And what you're left with is a human being that is actually bioelectrical and energetic in every way. That would allow for it to be a quantum communication device if we truly go deep enough into the human system, which we're we're now doing. Through the bleeding edge of biophysics and quantum biophysics, looking at the biology of the human body. And how it's capable of producing electromagnetism, piece of electric energy, all sorts of different interactions, including now with, you know, really recent studies. Looking at the microtubules, these tiny little elements within the neurons and how they interact because they're so tiny. With quantum scale energies, which is now becoming like a point of contention with the whole generator receiver argument in consciousness, you know, are we a?

• 39:15Speaker 06

  Generator or receiver? Well, the microtubules are giving the scientists a potential empirical anchor into the receiver. Side of the debate, instead of the generator side of the debate. And what's interesting about, you know, realizing that the scientists in twenty twenty six are coming to strange, exotic, non-local, spooky conclusions about consciousness. It's like. Yeah, that's what the shamans were saying for thousands of years. They didn't have electron microscopes and they didn't have the type of. You know, methods and systems and understandings that modern science does, but seems like they got there way, way earlier. And that's because intuition dives right down into whatever you want to call the Akashic record or the unified field of quantum information.

• 39:57Speaker 06

  Whatever you want to call that bubbling soup of stuff that seems to be the basement that, you know, we all arise out of in the material world, whatever that. Substructure is made out of.

• 40:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 40:07Speaker 06

  The mystics got into it first. Science is catching up, you know, science is now extrapolating information that goes, oh, okay, yeah. So actually. It seems the entire universe is made out of information. Well, that's the same as basically saying that the universe has got the Akashic record and that you can bring your ancestors' knowledge back and that you can, you know, you know. Divinely communicate with entities. All of this has been said for thousands of years. And is now being brought into the bleeding edge of frontier science. So, you know, we're in a really interesting transition point where I think the spirit and the science are kind of starting to entangle together. I mean, who knows where that goes when that really starts to happen, but it's going to get weird, bro.

• 40:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah, um, Peter Lavenda was telling me.

• 40:48Speaker 06

  Oh, he's an interesting guy.

• 40:50Danny Jones?

  He's a very interesting guy. Um, he was telling me that, actually, I asked him, I was like, you know, he's, the one thing about him is just, he's just a historian of all this stuff. He had cults and like the political mechanisms behind all this stuff, you know, going back. Through the whole Cold War. And, um, you know, I was asking him, I was like, if you were in charge of figuring out what the answer to this whole phenomena is, like, what would you do? He goes, I would take all the people who've had the most insane experiences. And I would look into their mind, like, and he used the analogy of taking apart the radio. He goes, I would, I, there's something unique about their consciousness as a receiver or an antenna.

• 41:34Danny Jones?

  And he was like, I would try to take apart the radio and figure out what it is about those people. And that's exactly what they're doing with Chris Bledsoe.

• 41:40Speaker 06

  Do you know what I think it is? I think it's got something to do with the flow state. I think it's got something to do with creativity and intuition. Which is what Gary Nolan would probably say as well, because he's looking at those areas of the brain that he thinks involve heightened intuition. You know, um, I think people that are able to straddle. Two hemispheres of creativity and logic, marry them together instead of being complete. You know, if you're embedded in the logical, the material, the what can be proven by your senses, then it's going to be very difficult for you to come to terms with the idea of non-local communication with dimensional entities. You know, if you're completely in the creative, you might have those experiences, but, you know, good luck.

• 42:25Speaker 06

  Translating that to the wider world because your mind is off in the clouds, bro. You know, you're up there with the orbs, but you ain't coming back down. You ain't coming back down. If you can have your creativity and your logic and you can intertwine those two and you can have these experiences because you're very open minded and you've got that creativity that allows you to go beyond what is your senses and what is logical. But you have enough intelligence to bring that down and articulate it to people. I think that's what they're most interested in. People that have the ability to actually. Articulate the bizarre and the paranormal, you know, and not a lot of people can do that.

• 43:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you might be right about that. Yeah, the flow state and, you know, even through doing drugs.

• 43:10Speaker 06

  Straight up.

• 43:10Danny Jones?

  And then, you know, the thing about it is those experiences, whether it be like a paranormal experience or an encounter like you had, or like a crazy psychedelic trip, they become so meaningful for people. Like that experience was so meaningful for you, you can tell, right? And like, you know.

• 43:31Speaker 06

  The catalysts.

• 43:32Danny Jones?

  Any crazy psychedelic experience can become super meaningful for you because you just see whatever you, I think, what I personally think is what's happening in like psychedelic trips, whether you do DMT or mushrooms or whatever it is, or ayahuasca, whatever, something's happening and you're seeing like a projection of what's in your inner psyche, like a sort of like a placebo effect on steroids. And, and whatever manifests in that experience just gets imprinted on you and you just extrapolate so much out of that to where it could even be, you could even just be making stuff up at some point, right? It could be just like

• 44:13Danny Jones?

  a placebo effect. And then that just compounds and becomes like, you know, a snowball effect sort of happens.

• 44:20Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 44:21Danny Jones?

  But I don't know, that doesn't mean that that's not to say that there's not something there.

• 44:24Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 44:25Danny Jones?

  I think there definitely is something there. I just don't know what it is.

• 44:28Speaker 06

  If it profoundly changes your life in a beneficial way, then that that is something in of itself, even if you did it to yourself, right? I mean, you know, that's the crazy thing about something like psilocybin, for example, you know, the, the, the way in which it can interact with your mind to the point where you come out of that experience and feel like you had 20 years of psychotherapy, self-realization after self-realization, being able to almost take a step back and look at your own mind and your own behaviors, your own actions and objectively neutrally observe it without judgment and then come to conclusions that you'd never be able to do in a sober mind. You know, that's something incredible about specifically psilocybin, which, you know, again, like the, the mushrooms to me is fascinating. And I've absorbed so much, not psilocybin, I've had a few, but Terrence

• 45:13Speaker 06

  McKenna, I've absorbed so much of Terrence McKenna's work and his, you know, his poetic lectures on this subject. And I think that he's got some really good points about it. And I think that we are looking at perhaps an inner intelligence within nature that we're getting access to, the fact that it rewires your brain in some incredible ways. It's like you're eating the neurological architecture of the planet, you know, and getting something from that that increases and improves your own neurological architecture. You don't need to invoke anything spiritual and external from that. It's like, you know, entanglement between the planetary biome that you're naturally here for and, you know, you're communicating with it. But there are so many different ways of achieving that.

• 45:55Speaker 06

  And something else that Terrence said is, you know, he would never want to have the experiences that he had on DMT or psilocybin in a sober state. It would terrify him to experience this, you know, it makes sense to have that happen in these, in these realms. I didn't have psilocybin in my system when I had a cloud disappear above my head in a triangle. So like Terrence, brother, I've experienced that and it's weird. You know, you don't have a fallback of like, well, at least I was on DMT.

• 46:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:23Speaker 06

  It's like, no, I wasn't though. So what is happening?

• 46:26Danny Jones?

  I also think about that too, you know, like if you're, if you're doing DMT and you're about to hit the DMT pen, or if you're doing the raw fucking powder, God bless you, but whatever it is, you know what's about to happen.

• 46:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:38Danny Jones?

  And you're expecting that, you know? So like, how much of that is going into this?

• 46:43Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 46:43Danny Jones?

  I always wonder.

• 46:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, some injection of bias and expectation, human psychology, you know, the brain is so powerful.

• 46:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the placebo effect is fucking nuts, dude.

• 46:51Speaker 06

  The placebo effect to me is, is an amazing thing in science. We've, we've kind of just gone like, yeah, we just proved the law of attraction. Don't worry about it. You know, because your mind over matter, right? Mind over matter. You literally can control what your body does. There's a great example of that with that dude, what's his name? Wim Hoff? You ever had Wim Hoff on the podcast?

• 47:11Danny Jones?

  Familiar with him.

• 47:11Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, like, you know, the guy can like bring his own adrenaline up at will and can teach people to, you know, control their immune system and their, you know, their automatic parts of their system.

• 47:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that shit's real.

• 47:22Speaker 06

  It's real, dude, it's real, like a hundred percent. I've seen like, you know, a lot of the stuff that he was doing and he even trained a few people and they put them in hospital, injected them with some form of kind of control virus that would give them fever and none of them got sick.

• 47:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 47:34Speaker 06

  You know, so like, you know, we have an incredible amount of control over the mind, which is why I don't dismiss the idea that these orbs could be a psychic projection. However, people have filmed them, case in point.

• 47:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 47:47Speaker 06

  You know, and you're not the only one. There's hundreds and hundreds of videos, good ones as well, not just crappy fake UFO videos, but ones that are actually really feeling like, yeah, well, I saw that. So I believe that that's a real video, you know? So there's something there. I've also invoked the idea that it could be a form of plasma, form of plasmic intelligence. This also seems to be something that, you know, as much as I have my doubts about some of these guys and what they're saying, David Grusch brought up plasmoids in one of the most recent times. He was in DC saying things. He brought up, yeah, yeah, he mentioned plasma beings, like plasmic intelligences as a potential, you know, in part of the intelligence spectrum we're dealing with. And I agree with him. Like I, I think that, you know, plasma is an incredibly interesting state of matter. It makes up 99% of the observable

• 48:31Speaker 06

  universe. It's the fourth state of matter. So you know, solids, gases, liquids, plasma. We don't really get taught about plasma.

• 48:37Danny Jones?

  No, yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 06

  Forgivably, it's a complex topic, but when you've got your solids, gases and liquids nailed down in school, but they don't mention plasma, which is 99% of the observable universe and is really interesting. It's kind of like, okay, why? Well, I, I mean, you know, again, you could say it's a very complex topic, which it is. And so it's more for the specializations later in education. But even then, I think that there's enough evidence that plasma is used in exotic science and energy and, you know, different various forms of propulsion that it could be a classified science quite heavily in the, you know, national security side of things. So that's definitely a possible explanation. There's been a few different like plasma groups, like the Sapphire Project and a few others that have come up over the years saying, we're bottling the stars, we're

• 49:22Speaker 06

  going to transmute metals into gold. We can, you know, renewable energy, no problem. Yeah, Sapphire, I think it's S A F F I R E, not P H, pretty sure.

• 49:32Danny Jones?

  S A P P what?

• 49:33Speaker 06

  No, S A F F I R E instead of P H.

• 49:38Danny Jones?

  And what was the goal of that project?

• 49:40Speaker 06

  To create a exotic vacuum object, a plasma, a self-organizing plasma, which they believe could transmutate, you know, metals and change different, there we go. So it's one F, my bad.

• 49:52Danny Jones?

  Sapphire Project, Stellar Atmospheric Function and Regulation Experiment, Plasma Physics Experimental Research Initiative, originally designed to test the electric sun model associated with the electric universe theory.

• 50:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Hal Potts off got involved with this for, for a minute.

• 50:07Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 50:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've got some very interesting videos of their lab work where they're, you know, creating these exotic vacuum objects was what they call them EVOs, self-organizing plasmas and, you know, recording various effects and, and making some very bold claims about what it was actually capable of producing in terms of renewable energy and, you know, global applications. But then it kind of fizzled out, it kind of went quiet. I don't know if they're still active, but they certainly not, you know, broken any sort of record in, in science as, as it stands. But plasma is incredible. And there's some very interesting evidence now that forms of self-organizing plasma, because what plasma can do under certain electromagnetic and, you know, certain energetic environments

• 50:51Speaker 06

  is organize itself into very complex structures, complex enough that you can start to invoke the possibility of some form of sentience. If you're looking at the idea that the more sophisticated and more complex a structure can become, the more likely it is for a level of intelligence to start scaling up within that structure. And there are some weird analogues between plasmic structures and the structure of your neurological architecture. So there are these weird parallels between that, that even NASA has looked at and started going, well, it's possible that we're seeing animalistic types of behavior in swarms of plasma. There was like a huge 25 different institute study. I did a video on it, like, maybe like two, three months ago. It was NASA and a whole bunch of other space-based

• 51:34Speaker 06

  institutes that were looking at self-organized plasma specifically in relationship to the STS 75 tether incident. Do you know about this? Where that like 19 kilometer tether broke off in space and all these weird orbs started swarming around it in the video?

• 51:49Danny Jones?

  Heard of this? I'm not super familiar with the details of it.

• 51:52Speaker 06

  So it's like, I think it was in the seventies, but it was basically like a 19.6 kilometer long tether, this electromagnetic tether that they were using to test some, some electromagnetic studies out in space.

• 52:04Danny Jones?

  Off the space shuttle?

• 52:06Speaker 06

  I think, I honestly don't know, to be fair. Yeah, look it up. I don't know the specifics of what they were actually studying, but the tether broke off and it floated out into space.

• 52:17Danny Jones?

  1996 during NASA's STS 75 mission aboard the space shuttle Columbia, joint project between NASA and the Italy Space Station to deploy 20 kilometers conducting tether and spherical satellite to test generating electricity from Earth's magnetic field. What happened just before reaching full deployment, a breach in the tether's insulation allowed an electrical arc discharge caused by high voltage plasma to burn through and snap the cable near the top of the deployment boom. It severed the satellite, the severed satellite drifted away into a separate orbit, although it was tracked by radio and the tether experiment ended early, collecting about five hours of valuable data.

• 52:58Speaker 06

  So if you go on to my ex, I actually posted the video like yesterday. So it's like one of the most recent videos that I put up on my ex profile.

• 53:06Danny Jones?

  Your ex's Project Unity, or is it your name?

• 53:07Speaker 06

  The Project Unity.

• 53:08Danny Jones?

  The Project Unity.

• 53:10Speaker 06

  Just because Project Unity was taken, damn it. But, but bum, it should be basically the latest one.

• 53:16Danny Jones?

  There you go.

• 53:16Speaker 06

  No, not that. Click on, scroll down.

• 53:21Speaker 06

  But, but bum, it's gonna be there any second. There we go. So like, this is the full video. So this is the original video where you see all these weird objects starting to form around the tether. That's the tether, the 20 kilometer tether. Yep, drifting out into space. And all of these weird objects start coalescing around it. Now, this was originally dismissed and a lot of people will still dismiss this as ice particles that are starting to float around that are being caught up as we record the video. But this video is very interesting. Now it's six minutes long, but if you scrub through it, you'll get to a point where someone has added the flight paths. These are the flight paths. Okay. So this shows directional changes. If you watch each of these, you will see complete directional

• 54:03Speaker 06

  changes, brother. Take it back for a second. Just take it back for one second. All right.

• 54:11Speaker 06

  It should be, it's playing, it's just, yeah, hang on a second. Dude, just watch it, right? Okay. Look at this, look at this one, just curves around.

• 54:18Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:19Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 54:20Speaker 06

  Now, there are so many different instances of these things moving.

• 54:24Danny Jones?

  Look at that one curving.

• 54:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, like, dude, there's a whole bunch of them, right? And so whoever did this, you got to applaud them because they individually added all of the flight track, flight tracking, you know, for each of these objects. And yeah, they'll show you various instances where they completely stop or they changed complete direction.

• 54:40Danny Jones?

  Now, go back to the normal shot, like the normal without the enhancement.

• 54:43Speaker 06

  That's what it looks like, yes. It's really hard, it's like, you know.

• 54:46Danny Jones?

  I want to see that curving one again without the enhancement. Oh, whoa, did you see that?

• 54:50Speaker 06

  Seriously, right? It's not even like, yeah, it's not generated, you'll see it, here we go.

• 54:54Danny Jones?

  And the trajectory and then.

• 54:55Speaker 06

  That one curved down as well below it.

• 54:58Danny Jones?

  Why are they slowing down and speeding up?

• 54:59Speaker 06

  There are so many ones, it's almost hard to focus on which one you should look at, but the flight track information really helps. And, and this is to me such an interesting instance of what is potentially self-organized plasma, because the study that the NASA guys did and, you know, these various institutes, said that they like to focus around electromagnetic sources, excess electromagnetic radiation. So they'll be hanging around lightning storms. They said that they'll find these orbs in the high ionosphere, hanging around lightning storms, acting in swarming behaviors and also predatory behavior. This is in the NASA study.

• 55:32Danny Jones?

  Predatory?

• 55:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, predatory, it's in the actual document that they said predatory type of behavior from these like swarming groups of self-organized plasma in the upper ionosphere. And again, they invoke the STS-75 incident as one of these examples.

• 55:48Danny Jones?

  What's the name of this paper?

• 55:50Speaker 06

  Uh, if you go on my YouTube channel, bro, it's not even that far down, like, we could find it and I link the study, but I can't remember. Oh, it's actually, damn it, if you, if you go on my X.

• 56:05Speaker 06

  No, seriously though, if you go on my X, go on my replies.

• 56:08Danny Jones?

  Replies?

• 56:09Speaker 06

  Just, just, ignore me telling anyone to go fuck themselves, which will be there. Keep going down, keep going down, keep going down. Someone posted it, keep going down. Someone did post the actual study, keep going down and I, and I, you'll see my videos come up as like the thumbnail link, so that, that's the, not that one, the one below it, is the actual paper. That's the actual paper.

• 56:33Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 56:34Speaker 06

  So if you want to click on that, you'll see the examples that I've been referring to. So these are the various studied, you know, University of Tucson and various different institutes were involved in this study. Read the abstract, bro.

• 56:46Danny Jones?

  Plasmas up to a kilometer in size and behaving similarly to multicellular organisms have been filmed on 10 separate NASA space shuttle missions. And one of those must be the one we just watched. Over 200 miles above Earth within the atmosphere. The self-illuminating plasmas are attracted to and may feed on electromagnetic radiation. They have different morphologies, cone, cloud, dona.

• 57:14Speaker 06

  Cloud.

• 57:14Danny Jones?

  Cloud, dona, spherical cylinder, cylindrical.

• 57:18Speaker 06

  Just thinking about what I experienced.

• 57:20Danny Jones?

  Flying towards and descending from the thermosphere into thunderstorms, congregating by hundreds and interacting with satellites, generating electromagnetic activity approaching the space shuttles. Computerized analysis of flight path trajectories document these plasmas travel at different velocity. Right, that's exactly what we were just watching.

• 57:42Speaker 06

  Right.

• 57:42Danny Jones?

  Different velocities from different directions and change their angle of trajectory, making 45, 90 and 180 degree shifts to follow each other. They've been filmed accelerating, slowing down, stopping, congregating, engaging and

• 57:54Speaker 06

  Hunter?

• 57:54Danny Jones?

  Hunter predatory behavior and intersecting plasmas, leaving a plasma dust trail in their wake. Similar lifelike behaviors have been demonstrated by plasmas creating experimentally. Plasmas may have been photographed in the 1940s by World War II pilots identified as foo fighters, repeatedly observed and filmed by astronauts and military pilots in classified unidentified aerial anomalous phenomenon. Plasmas are not biological but may represent a form of pre-life that via the incorporation of elements common in space could result in the synthesis of RNA. Plasmas constitute the fourth state of matter, are attracted to electromagnetic activity,

• 58:35Danny Jones?

  and when observed in the lower atmosphere, likely account for many of the UFO, UAP sightings over centuries.

• 58:42Speaker 06

  This should be way more known as a paper.

• 58:44Danny Jones?

  That's freaking bonkers.

• 58:46Speaker 06

  This should be.

• 58:47Danny Jones?

  Who was the person behind this paper?

• 58:48Speaker 06

  Look up, and it's like 25 different fucking institutions.

• 58:51Danny Jones?

  Whoa. That's no joke. Department of Astronomy.

• 58:54Speaker 06

  This is a serious study.

• 58:55Danny Jones?

  Department of Biology, Applied Physics.

• 58:58Speaker 06

  Center for Astrophysics and Space Studies, California.

• 59:00Danny Jones?

  Ireland, Italy, San Diego.

• 59:03Speaker 06

  Harvard Smithsonian.

• 59:05Speaker 06

  Dude, like, this is a serious fucking paper and it is big. Like, if you scroll down, you'll just see it's like a really quite long paper full of images of the STS-75 orbs and.

• 59:14Speaker 04

  Oh, it's free, it's free to read.

• 59:16Danny Jones?

  And when was this published?

• 59:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, um, I don't know.

• 59:18Danny Jones?

  2024.

• 59:19Speaker 06

  2024.

• 59:20Danny Jones?

  Two years ago.

• 59:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, it's free to read. Um, I've done a video breakdown of it, if anyone wants to watch that on Project Unity.

• 59:26Danny Jones?

  Bonkers, dude.

• 59:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, and this is also, you know, I forgot her second name, Beatrice.

• 59:30Danny Jones?

  Billarreal, yeah.

• 59:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's talking about this with the dusty plasmas. So dusty plasmas are basically like complex plasmas because of the different particulates in the vacuum of space building up. And so the idea is that like, again, like a different type of life, through all these complex dusty little elements and the self-organizing, self-organizational properties of plasma, some form of strange life might be created. And since we're looking at directional changes, predatory-like behavior, grouping, going down into thunderstorms.

• 1:00:01Danny Jones?

  See, the problem is we're just trying to fit this thing into our, our box, our box of how our mind works.

• 1:00:07Speaker 06

  Exactly, bro.

• 1:00:07Danny Jones?

  And we're trying to attach words to it.

• 1:00:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Danny Jones?

  To, to make sense of it. But in reality, it's probably something that we could never really fully comprehend with our, with our little brains.

• 1:00:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, no doubt. All we can say is that it's exhibiting behaviors that suggest some form of intelligent control.

• 1:00:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:00:22Speaker 06

  You know? What does that mean?

• 1:00:23Danny Jones?

  We have no, we have no fucking idea what this shit is.

• 1:00:27Speaker 06

  Maybe this is what I saw.

• 1:00:28Danny Jones?

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• 1:01:54Speaker 06

  And one of the things that I've, I've talked about, using the STS tether as a, as a kind of comparison, this is an electromagnetic source of energy that's leaking out excess radiation and these things apparently swarm onto it. They come down into thunderstorms. Well, we are electromagnetic radiating entities. We create a huge amount of radiating electromagnetic energy. So, you know, our heart and our brain create electromagnetic fields that produce, it's about three feet in diameter around your entire body that there's an electromagnetic field. So mine and yours are entangled right now. There is a level of energetic interface between our two complementary fields. And so the idea, at least in my mind, is that when you're getting into these very

• 1:02:37Speaker 06

  profound states of meditative consciousness, which again, you know, try and find different ways to look at this if you're rolling your eyes at the woo-woo language of the spiritual, you know, you're biohacking, you're biohacking, you're getting into your own biology through silencing the chatter of your environment, which is constant, especially in the Western world, you know, we're in an uphill battle from day one. It's easy if you're in Tibet on the mountaintop or if you're in the jungle with the ayahuasca.

• 1:03:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:03:07Speaker 06

  It's hard when you've gone through the Western social propaganda and the noise and the adverts and the flash, flash, flash and the ADHD and the anxiety, you know, all of that is taking us away from our natural state. So our natural state sounds like a fucking superpower because for us, it's like we're so far removed from where we're meant to be. And so getting into these states is hard, man. Like trying to understand a way to explain these states is hard, but getting into like your own mind and your own biology, like Wim Hof, we know we can change these very subtle, what we thought were just completely autonomous parts of our biology, we can actually influence that with our consciousness. And so we're also looking at, again, things like microtubules.

• 1:03:52Speaker 06

  Okay, so the microtubules seem to have a way to influence and connect with energetic fluctuations on the quantum level. And we know that the quantum can have superposition and non-locality. We know an electron that has a pair can be turned in the universe on this side and then the other one will turn on the other side, right?

• 1:04:08Danny Jones?

  I actually watched your interview with Stu Hammeroff.

• 1:04:11Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, good.

• 1:04:12Danny Jones?

  Before I had him on here, I watched yours to like, like, prepare for it.

• 1:04:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:16Danny Jones?

  That was, that shit's, I still don't even understand what the fuck he was talking about.

• 1:04:19Speaker 06

  Me too. Like, I'm trying to wrap my head around ORCO, Orchestral Objective Reduction Theory and like, you know, like, but to the extent that I could explain it, microtubules seem to be communicating with the quantum level of reality. They're inside your mind, which means your mind can communicate with the quantum level of reality. Oh, but that's just automatic. Cool, so are the other things that we thought were automatic that we can biohack and actually do ourselves. So when you get into these states of very subtle energetic consciousness, very delicate states, I think, there is a very fine thread connecting you with whatever it is you're interacting with, that can be severed so quickly, especially by our chattering monkey mind. A lot of people said to me, like, why didn't you film these things? Well, for starters, when I first did it, I wasn't thinking about anyone else other

• 1:05:03Speaker 06

  than myself and my own personal journey. I wasn't a podcaster, a documentary guy, I had no desire or even a thought to film it, this was just me engaging with the universe.

• 1:05:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 06

  Then things happened and yeah, I tried to film it. And I captured a couple of flashes on camera on a shitty smartphone, all you see is a black sky and a flash of light. Okay, not impressive. You know, you want to see the orbs fly by on, in formation and get that on a camera. So you're there with your camera. Trying to think thoughts, you're breathing, you're getting into that meditative state of consciousness. My arms are aching, you know, trying to get into that state of consciousness. Is anything gonna turn up? The mind starts drifting away from the extremely subtle, delicate process of engaging with whatever the fuck we're engaging with in this. And you're suddenly over here in your ego, in your monkey mind, wanting to prove it to the world in like some weird kind of justification of what you're trying to do instead of being in the process, right? And it never worked.

• 1:05:58Speaker 06

  I never got any extraordinary footage, you know? So if you don't wanna believe me, don't believe me, I don't care. I've had these life-changing experiences and I'm on my own trajectory because of them. I just wanna try and find suitable language to explain them to people when they're skeptical cuz I get it. I completely understand the skepticism more than blind belief. I don't like blind belief. It's just that I've had things happen to me as a relatively logical-thinking person that are so illogical that I've had to change my perspective of what's logical. You know, I've had to expand it. And that's another thing that Terrence said about psychedelics, is that they expand your perception of reality. They challenge you and they give you an option to expand or retract away from it. I think these are exactly the same. It's a catalyst for your mind.

• 1:06:41Speaker 06

  You know, some people might see something in the sky and never talk about it and keep it down and just blare, "I didn't see that." But if you choose to actually engage with it, I mean, at least for me, I've discovered a whole community of people. Sure, there's been drama and some craziness and this is a weird UFO community, but I've had amazing experiences and I've had a lot of people who've emailed me and said, "You know what? You've explained this really well for me and I've actually gone out and I've had experiences too." And it's like, "Well, okay, this is good. This is something that I think is a good thing that's happening." And that only happened because I accepted it. So I think that there's like a psychological issue at play of, you know, whether or not you're even ready to have these experiences. And, you know, I don't wanna sit here and say, "Oh, they'll only come to you when you're ready" cuz a lot of people seem to have like, you know, the whole abduction thing.

• 1:07:25Speaker 06

  And I don't know where that sits on the spectrum. Is it the same? I don't think it is. Is it the same intelligence that I interacted with?

• 1:07:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:07:33Speaker 06

  You know, we don't know. And that's the thing is a lot of people have said to me, and you know, I'll get a lot of comments, especially from the more religious groups that are like, "Oh, you're communicating with demons."

• 1:07:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:07:43Speaker 06

  Good for you, buddy. Like, you know, "Oh, he sold his soul." Like, it's like, man.

• 1:07:46Danny Jones?

  See, J.D. Vance's new book's called Communion, too.

• 1:07:49Speaker 06

  Oh, God, is it really?

• 1:07:50Danny Jones?

  And he's simultaneously saying that they're angels and demons.

• 1:07:54Speaker 06

  Oh, good lord, good lord. Well, I mean, everyone's gonna look at it through their own particular lens of ideology and especially theology if it's extremely embedded within what you think and feel. But, you know, for me, I just, I'm quite adverse to human-made belief systems and I just don't think that we should give ourselves over entirely to a belief system that seems to be constructed primarily by just old men in ancient times. You know what I mean? Like, for me, it's like, ah, humans, I don't really trust them. So, you know, that to me is a different question to spiritual belief. You know, spiritual belief to me is deeper, intuitive, ingrained in your own experience of traversing life and paying attention to it. And when you do pay attention to it, life is full of language. Life is full of talking. It's always speaking to us. It's always trying to nudge us in a certain direction. Synchronicities are real, you know?

• 1:08:39Speaker 06

  So I think that paying attention to life can give people a better perspective on that spiritual side of things. The reason I call Project Unity Project Unity is cuz I do believe that it needs to be a unification between spirit and science. You know, these are just two perceptual sides of the coin. They need to bend over and meet each other. A lot of people say to me, "Why is it called Project Unity when you're such an asshole on X?" It's deeper than that. It's bigger than me telling you to go fuck yourself. You know, it's bigger than that. It's about something much larger. It's about understanding that these ideologies and perceptions should actually be entangled together. But I'm still a human being, so, you know, I wake up on the wrong side of the bed and I might just tell you to go fuck yourself. It's just the way it is.

• 1:09:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:20Speaker 06

  You know, we're all human.

• 1:09:21Danny Jones?

  The other problem with the whole thing is there's just this intertwined of people who are-

• 1:09:27Speaker 06

  I love the term intertwined. It's not real.

• 1:09:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:31Speaker 06

  But I will forever use that now.

• 1:09:32Danny Jones?

  It sounds good, though.

• 1:09:33Speaker 06

  Intertwanglement.

• 1:09:34Danny Jones?

  Of people that are probably legitimate, right? Who have had like meaningful experiences or whatever it is, who knows what it could be. And you have people who try to like cover and document and report on stuff like that. You also have people who are just trying to make money on it.

• 1:09:52Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 1:09:53Danny Jones?

  Right? And then you also have a mix of all of the, all three. You could have someone who's doing all three, like, you know, a Bledsoe-type person who maybe did have something legitimate happen. Then they figure out, "Oh, now I can get a lot of attention. Now I can make a lot of money doing it and now I'm gonna keep doing it. So I'm gonna keep trying to do the next thing." And that's, that's what muddies the water and I think it's perfect for people. If there is some sort of truth to this that's being covered up, it's like, the internet is like the perfect, the perfect way to hide it. But like, I get super interested when you have people like, for example, on, in James Fox's documentary where he goes to Brazil and he interviews all these people that are just like living in a hut in fucking Brazil and they're just telling him about it.

• 1:10:35Speaker 06

  Average people, like, yeah.

• 1:10:36Danny Jones?

  Who have nothing to gain from any of this stuff. Like, that's the shit that really freaks me out. When I hear people that like work in the government talk about it, I just get bored.

• 1:10:44Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 1:10:45Danny Jones?

  I'm falling asleep.

• 1:10:46Speaker 06

  Again, why could, why should we trust them?

• 1:10:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:10:48Speaker 06

  Why? But the average Joe, like, yeah, like, I trust them a lot more. There was a year, I've said this quite a few times, but it's always worth reiterating for anyone who hasn't heard it before. There's a really interesting podcast, I actually can't remember the name of it, it was a German podcast, I believe, where they had these two native Amazonian tribespeople on full headdress, like, you know, fully tribespeople, and they were interviewing them in their native language with a translator. And they asked them about aliens and, you know, wanted to know what the tribal perspective on aliens were and they were confused by the question, didn't understand what alien meant. What do you mean by alien exactly? No, try to figure out a way of explaining it. And so they thumb through this magazine and showed them like a gray alien.

• 1:11:29Speaker 06

  And the tribal chieftain went, "That is Maknwaabu, Maknwaabu." And like went into a detailed mythos that they have around this being, which they say, and the other one like came in was like, "Yes, yes, very dangerous creature." And they said, "It's a, it's a human that became an ant that lives underground and it can appear in the divine light of Mishipan," which I assume is just their version of the divine light, right? Of whatever god. So it's a, it's a, a human that became an ant that lives underground, that can appear in the divine light of Mishipan. And you have to be very careful with this creature because it can steal your soul and you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back. And they have almost like, "Yes, very dangerous, Maknwaabu, Maknwaabu."

• 1:12:14Speaker 06

  How the fuck do they have any sort of direct, like, it was a gray alien? They're like, "Yeah, no, we know that. We know that." You know?

• 1:12:22Danny Jones?

  Where was this tribe from?

• 1:12:23Speaker 06

  The Amazon, the Amazon Basin. But it's the same as like the Hopi tribe, where the ant people, the ant people, you know about that? Same kinda story, except this time the ant people apparently took this tribe underground during times of cataclysm and then taught them how to regrow society once cataclysm was over. If you look into the Hopi tribe and the ant people, but yeah, the Amazonian tribe. To be fair, good luck finding like a reference on it. Like, this video is like the only thing I could find on, oh, actually, there we go, Light of Mishipan.

• 1:12:54Danny Jones?

  Reddit for references. Human that became an ant and the concept traces back to a viral piece of modern lore and fringe anthropology surrounding Amazonian tribal interactions with alleged non-human intelligences, which has circulated on platforms like r/aliens on Reddit and r/reincarnationtruth.

• 1:13:11Speaker 06

  Really credible sources of information.

• 1:13:13Danny Jones?

  The imagery with references.

• 1:13:15Speaker 06

  But it is a real video, that's the thing.

• 1:13:18Danny Jones?

  Specific story, people in the Amazon near the Peru-Brazilian border were shown an image of a classic gray alien. Instead of seeing a space alien, they recognized it as the Maknwaabu, an ancient, dangerous, big ant entity, according to the lore. Jesus, bro.

• 1:13:34Speaker 06

  Mask itself in divine light and-

• 1:13:36Danny Jones?

  And they said that it brings them underground and helps them prepare for cataclysms?

• 1:13:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, they were like, well, you know, so that was the other tribe, so the Hopi tribe.

• 1:13:43Danny Jones?

  That was the Hopi tribe.

• 1:13:44Speaker 06

  The Hopi tribe have the ant people as part of their lore. And the ant people of the Hopi tribe apparently helped them out, like way back in, you know, beginnings of their historical lore, they took them underground during times of great strife and then taught them how to rebuild civilization, which is such an echoed story across so many different cultures, whether it's Noah or Oanis or all these various, the Quetzalcoatl, like various gods across the world that, you know, bring knowledge back after great cataclysm, but even the tribes had it and they called them the ant people, which is just an interesting kind of, you know, potential analogy towards the Maknwaabu, you know, ant-human hybrid thing that's apparently going on. And then in Peru, of course, you've got the weird Nazca mummies, which there's a lot

• 1:14:25Speaker 06

  of controversy and talk about, but, you know, some of them are pretty weird specimens, you know? So who knows if there's a connection between that modern discovery and these tribal laws and beliefs around-

• 1:14:36Danny Jones?

  I heard the Nazca mummies is all bullshit.

• 1:14:39Speaker 06

  I mean, you know, it's such a, it's, you had the guy on, what's his name?

• 1:14:42Danny Jones?

  Darcy?

• 1:14:43Speaker 06

  Darcy, yeah, like.

• 1:14:44Danny Jones?

  Darcy Weir.

• 1:14:45Speaker 06

  It's, it's such a contentious point of discussion. And I think that there's like a big smokescreen around it, like there's 100% fakes. And there's been ones that were proven to be fake, like chicken bone and paper mache.

• 1:14:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:57Speaker 06

  But that one.

• 1:14:57Danny Jones?

  And there was the guy who tried to, tried to, he had like this monkey that got electrocuted. And he was saying that it was a, an alien.

• 1:15:03Speaker 06

  I didn't know about that one.

• 1:15:04Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:05Speaker 06

  That one skipped my radar.

• 1:15:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this guy, so this guy showed the, the monkey images to the other guy, Jamie or Jaime.

• 1:15:12Speaker 06

  Jaime, Jaime Masan.

• 1:15:13Danny Jones?

  And he was trying to promote it as if it was a real alien.

• 1:15:15Speaker 06

  Jaime, see, like, this is the thing, it's like, you know, it's almost like the people you associate with and it darkens the whole thing. Like Jaime, I'm not 100% sure this guy's been involved in some weird stories over the time. So it's kind of like, yeah, all right, put him into the sprinkle of salt skepticism corner. But then you've got like, you know, a, a pretty significant team of international scientists over at the Inkari Institute and these other places in Peru where they've got the bodies. And it's like.

• 1:15:38Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:15:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, there's like American scientists, there's Italian scientists, there's a couple of British scientists, and of course, Peruvian scientists. And they've done, you know, X-rays and they've got Dicom scan files and like quite complex MRIs of these bodies. And, you know, internal structuring and bone tissue and things are in the right place. So there's like discussions around the phalanges and.

• 1:16:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:00Speaker 06

  Whether things have been attached or reattached. But again, it's like, we might be dealing with a different morphology. And there's no actual evidence of manipulation in the joints, at least from the ones that I've been looking at in the actual institutes that are being scanned and MRI'd and studied. So, I mean, it's weird. I, I think that the issue you have as well is the cartel is like heavily involved in the retrieval of these bodies. Because a lot of this comes through the Wakeros, which are like the grave robbers, which work on behalf of the cartels for the black trade of antiquities. So there's a lot of money flowing through Peru.

• 1:16:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:32Speaker 06

  Through grave robbing, stealing things, selling it on the black market. And, and so a lot of these discoveries come through various Wakero channels. And that's why it's kind of like, okay, so, you know, can we really trust it then?

• 1:16:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:44Speaker 06

  But the complexity of some of these bodies is ridiculous. I mean, it would be incredibly impressive. And then you see the ones that are proven fake and it's like, well, yeah, fucking of course, man. It's made of like nothing, straw and bones.

• 1:16:56Danny Jones?

  Darcy was showing us the hand specifically, and he pointed out how the hand had no palm. And what he was saying was they tried to elongate the fingers by basically cutting down.

• 1:17:07Speaker 06

  But there's no proof of cuts, at least to ones I've seen. There's no proof of like actual dislocation. And there's, there's even videos from the institute where the scientists, they're speaking in, in Peruvian, but like, they, you know, they're literally saying, I can't see any evidence of dislocation, of manipulation of the joints. So I'm skeptical to kind of trust the word of, no offence, like an investigative journalist over a series of scientists at the institute who are saying that there's no actual evidence of manipulation and dislocation. Again, it could just be a drastically different morphology. And what is weird is there's so many different variants. There's like so many different types of body structures going on here. That it's either just a complex fake of all of these different body structures, or maybe some weird genetic manipulation that was going on at some point.

• 1:17:52Speaker 06

  Because you've just got so many different sub-variants of the same kind of morphology that's been stretched and shrunk down and the eyes are bigger or the head's smaller. And, and then you've got the ones that are almost reptilian or insectoid that they're studying. There's like a whole slew of.

• 1:18:07Danny Jones?

  I don't think I've seen that one.

• 1:18:07Speaker 06

  Dude, there's loads of them. If you go on the Inkari Institute, I think it's called I-N-K-A-R-I, pretty sure it's that. Like, they should have, like, photos and, and stuff like that. Is it the Inkari Institute?

• 1:18:21Danny Jones?

  Inkari Institute reptile bodies?

• 1:18:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't know. Oh, God, I don't know, my, maybe.

• 1:18:28Danny Jones?

  Look, the Reddit one, the Reddit one, right there.

• 1:18:29Speaker 06

  Maybe it's spelled differently to the way I'm thinking. But, um, you know, they've got so many different bodies and, and some of them are so complex. I just think that there's a bit of a smokescreen being generated around this subject where proven fakes are being put to the forefront. And it might be overshadowing something quite real. And Peru is weird, like, you know, in Peru, there is like tapestries and artwork of beings with three fingers. So it's kind of like, all right, there's some level of symbolic connection. And Peru's crazy in of itself architecturally. I've been out there to film, make documentaries, because it's just got some of the most mind-blowing architecture in the world, even more impressive in some ways than ancient Egypt.

• 1:19:08Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:19:08Speaker 06

  You know, precision, multi-angled, fitting stones that you can't even fit a human hair between, made of granite, so hard, like these incredibly hard stones all formed together in jigsaw puzzle pieces, piloting out like they've been softened or somehow squished together. Like really bizarre architecture out in Peru. I mean, I did a whole documentary series, again, promotion, if anyone wants to go check it out, Project Unity, Ancient Technologies, which is the playlist. And I've got my Egypt and Peru videos where I, you know, travelled out to Egypt, travelled out to Peru, filmed all of the strange sights that I could while I was out there and, you know, matched up, pattern matched the similarities between these places. One of the craziest ones, dude, is on the Giza Plateau, I've got the, you know, three pyramids.

• 1:19:49Speaker 06

  So Mencaray Pyramid still has some of the surviving outer casing stones, which are these red granite stone casings, right?

• 1:19:55Danny Jones?

  The middle pyramid?

• 1:19:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, I believe it's the middle pyramid. I've been out there enough times, I should literally know that, but.

• 1:20:00Danny Jones?

  Isn't the middle one called Cafré?

• 1:20:01Speaker 06

  You've got Cafré, Kufu and Mencaray.

• 1:20:03Danny Jones?

  Got it, okay.

• 1:20:04Speaker 06

  So you, Mencaray Pyramid has got these like red granite outer casing stones that are still surviving. Now, they are themselves this quite pillowed out, um, stonework that's very similar to Peru. But the most interesting signature is the nubs, little stone nubs. So are you familiar with that? It's got, I mean, most people should be, right? So if you could get up, bro, if you could get up Mencaray Pyramid, um, can you spell it?

• 1:20:28Danny Jones?

  He can figure it out.

• 1:20:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm sure he can.

• 1:20:30Speaker 04

  Mencaray?

• 1:20:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, Mencaray. Men, and then it's K-A-U-R-E, Mencaray. And then outer casing stones, um, because it's specifically the, the casing stones we want to look at.

• 1:20:43Speaker 06

  Right, so like, if you, there's some good images, um.

• 1:20:46Danny Jones?

  Wait, wait, wait, there was one, here, there you go.

• 1:20:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, so there's, there's some better ones where you're looking at it front-facing.

• 1:20:53Danny Jones?

  It is crazy how they're pillowy.

• 1:20:55Speaker 06

  Hang on a second. Type in nubs, because it will give you like the bits where it's focusing, like if you just type in stone nubs. There we go. So there's like those ones there that are coming out. And then there's the one where the, the family are standing, that's a good one. So you can see up here, you've got all of these sets of two stone nubs protruding from the bottom of the blocks, right? Now, if you go.

• 1:21:15Danny Jones?

  What's going on here? How come you have some smooth ones and then flat ones and then you have the pillowy ones?

• 1:21:19Speaker 06

  What's really weird is it's, well, these are almost like they're unfinished. So these, this right-hand section is almost like the unfinished casing stones. The left-hand section is where they've been smoothed down to a perfect fitting joinery. So these, I think, were left and they were never finished. And they were supposed to be flattened down completely. But you see these two nubs protruding specifically from the bottom of the blocks. Now, if you type in Cusco City stone nubs.

• 1:21:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, those ones are way more pronounced.

• 1:21:47Speaker 06

  But the question is, how are they even on these blocks? So if you go down to, I mean, those ones are brilliant, because you've got like, you know, that's in, um, the Coricancha, the sun temple. So here, again, um.

• 1:22:04Speaker 06

  There's some good examples.

• 1:22:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, we've seen them before.

• 1:22:06Speaker 06

  On the bottom, two nubs, right, coming out of the bottom. Now, the thing is, the nubs are a really big question.

• 1:22:12Danny Jones?

  There's way better photos.

• 1:22:13Speaker 06

  There are, wait, there are, I mean, I've, I've taken 4K, top 4K documentary videos of all of this stuff, if you wanted to look for it, but, I should have sent that ahead of time, my bad. Yeah, but like either way, so you've got this, you've got this pattern of two nubs on the bottom coming out of these megalithic blocks. The nubs haven't been properly explained. The mainstream says they're lifting points, but you find them in very strange, like, you know, non-symmetrical points of the stone, too small to be a lifting point in many cases. They're just not universal in their placement. This is a great place, I forgot the name of it, but I've walked down here in Cusco City where you've just got nubs after nubs after nubs. But they're always on the bottom, uh, but irregular in shape and size and positioning. So the lifting point is really, to me, a not very likely explanation.

• 1:22:58Speaker 06

  But what's interesting is that mainstream archaeology will say, well, this was made by the Inca. Now, the Inca were 450 years ago, 500 years max, right? Their imperial apex is an actual imperial civilization was 90 years before the, uh, Spanish conquistadors came and just wrecked shop and just destroyed everything and burned all of their, uh, Kipu, their language, which was a very weird language made of strings. So they had no written language whatsoever. They had series of strings that had knots in them. And these knots corresponded to data, right?

• 1:23:29Danny Jones?

  Freaking bananas.

• 1:23:29Speaker 06

  So that's, yeah, this is like surviving Kipu writing. So most of this was burnt and destroyed by the Spanish conquistadors. But either way, the Inca were about 450, 500 years old. Mainstream historians and archaeologists will say, well, they constructed those buildings with the stone nubs. Then you go to Mencaray Pyramid, 4,000 plus by mainstream estimers, stone nubs. That's a bit weird, right? Like, they've both got the exact same architectural anomaly, because it's not even an explainable. On the opposite side of the world. And the chronology from the mainstream is stretched to completely ridiculous levels, 400, 500 years, 4,000 plus. The same architectural anomaly. And it's an architectural anomaly, because we haven't got a good explanation for the nubs yet.

• 1:24:11Speaker 06

  So the fact that it's there, and then it's also in Japan and Turkey and places around the world, you find these stone nubs. It's even in like weird chateaus in France, which makes me wonder about Freemasons and secret stonemaking abilities. Because some of the chateaus in France have like actual weird nubs coming out of some of the blocks. It's like, okay, maybe this is a secret society, stonemasonry thing that's been passed through.

• 1:24:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:24:31Speaker 06

  Into the medieval Europe and, you know, like through the Freemasonry networks. But, yeah, like these comparisons between Egypt and Peru, you know, they don't, they don't just stop at the nubs. Like, there's a lot more, but I think it's one that's really interesting.

• 1:24:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Speaker 06

  Specifically because there isn't actually a fully recognized explanation for them, you know? There is one guy online that I'll give a shout out to though, Marcel Foti. He's a guy living out in, um. Budapest.

• 1:24:57Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:24:57Speaker 06

  He's a, uh, he's some former scientist. Sorry, buddy. I don't like, I haven't done a deep dive on you. But he's actually trying to prove that they were making liquid stone and then setting it back into real stone again, like kind of rehardening the stone from some form of like slurry. Like a cement, but without cement, like somehow breaking granite down and then reforming it into solid granite again. So they were pasting these things together, which is why in Peru, they look almost like marshmallows that have been squished together. And in fairness, he has found through a series of different um ingredients that are very archaic and easy to actually produce even back, you know, a hundred and thousand years ago. He's actually created a mixture where if he's breaking down granite or whatever stone he chooses

• 1:25:43Speaker 06

  and making it into teddy bear shapes and making it into cookie cutters and then setting it and it's coming back as solid granite in a star and a teddy bear and a, yeah, like a.

• 1:25:51Danny Jones?

  He does, he puts this online?

• 1:25:52Speaker 06

  Yep, yep, yep. If you go on X and type in Marcel, M A R C E L, Foti, F O T I. He is.

• 1:25:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, I think I have heard of this guy.

• 1:26:00Speaker 06

  He's about now. He's starting to make a bit of noise. People are going, okay, hang on, reposting him a lot on X.

• 1:26:04Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:26:05Speaker 06

  Um, he actually posted up something recently, which is a bit of an, an overall like explanation of what he's doing. So that would probably be a good thing to look at.

• 1:26:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's also this idea in South America, how they were using acid potentially to do this. There's this like, these natural acid deposits in South America in these certain locations.

• 1:26:24Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:26:24Danny Jones?

  Where they're theorizing that those, that acid could have been used to soften at least the outer parts of the stone or like the edges to sort of fit them together better.

• 1:26:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think Jeffrey, Jeffrey Drum out in Egypt has a similar position on some of the work out in Egypt that they were using acid etching to smooth out some of the imperfections and you know, that they had uh, more sophisticated chemical processes than we currently believe.

• 1:26:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:26:47Speaker 06

  By the way, if you go on my X profile, sorry, bro. Um, if you go on my X profile, there's actually like a pretty prominent image when you scroll down of like a piece of granite that looks very eroded at the bottom. That's his post. That's a quote repost from Marcel. So you should be able to get to his profile from there.

• 1:27:01Danny Jones?

  And the other, the other mystery about spec, specifically this stuff in South America is the Moai heads.

• 1:27:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, they're fascinating. I'd love to go out there and film those.

• 1:27:09Danny Jones?

  Those big heads, the conventional explanation was the way they moved those through the jungle, so many miles.

• 1:27:16Speaker 06

  Was like stone rollers or?

• 1:27:17Danny Jones?

  Was, was rafts.

• 1:27:18Speaker 06

  Right, okay.

• 1:27:19Danny Jones?

  But they did the, uh, this guy we had on the, on the show, Ed Barnhart, who's like this very highly regarded. Um, I think he's an archaeologist, an anthropologist, the special, specializes in South American cultures.

• 1:27:36Danny Jones?

  They did the math and they said that there would have been no way for them to build a raft. The raft they would have had to build to float one of those heads as much as they weigh would have been, had to have been like three times wider than the river.

• 1:27:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:27:47Danny Jones?

  That they brought it down.

• 1:27:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

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• 1:29:12Speaker 06

  You know, there's a, there's a, a number of examples of things like that. In fact, like one that I saw personally was in Egypt, the Serapeum, which is this subterranean, you know that, most people in the ancient history world. Seventy plus ton granite boxes that are just down in this winding, subterranean series of passageways that are just wide enough for the box to basically fit in it.

• 1:29:33Danny Jones?

  And the box weighs tons.

• 1:29:34Speaker 06

  Seventy plus tons of, of granite.

• 1:29:37Danny Jones?

  Solid granite.

• 1:29:38Speaker 06

  Machine processed in a way. I mean, like when you.

• 1:29:41Danny Jones?

  And even if it would, even if those boxes did fit down those hallways, how do they do a right turn into the little?

• 1:29:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, 70 plus tons. So that, you know, they're like, again, floated out, you know, theories, pun intended, of like gaseous like elements being placed inside to like, you know, lift it with water and none of it matches. None of it mathematically makes any sense for the weight. So, you know, you've got inside the actual subterranean system, you've got like these winding passageways. When you first go down into the Serapeum, you turn around and then you see the first one where it's like the unfinished box that's just stuck in the middle of the passageway. And to get through, you know, to the following passageway is a literal case of, you know, that's how tight it is, you know? So the fact that they, once you navigate past it and you go down and you, you follow on, suddenly you come to a corridor

• 1:30:31Speaker 06

  where you've got all these different chambers on the right and the left, like deep cut chambers. You go over to one of these chambers and there's a box that's been set down, like cut down deep, like you've got to look over and the box is down there and even the bedrock itself has been cut angularly so that it fits, like it fits in, connected. Not just placed on the actual stone, the stone was cut so that it connects down into it. This is so much effort for what they say is just a tomb for bulls, like bulls, the Apis bulls.

• 1:31:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:31:03Speaker 06

  Some cult out there that was like, you know, uh, venerating the Apis bull and.

• 1:31:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's an insult to our intelligence.

• 1:31:09Speaker 06

  It's fucking crazy, bro. It's crazy. Like the only thing that they have for that, literally is not bones or any leftover. It's, it's, it's an etching of a bull alongside of a hieroglyphs on one of the boxes.

• 1:31:19Danny Jones?

  Which could have been added later.

• 1:31:21Speaker 06

  Which could have been added later and most likely is because when you do just a, a comparison of expertise between these precision formed granite boxes that are polished to like a mirror shine. And then when you go inside them, the right angles are so precise that um, uh, the guy, uh, his, I'm blanking on his name, the engineer.

• 1:31:39Danny Jones?

  Chris Dunn.

• 1:31:40Speaker 06

  Chris Dunn was like, this is on par with aerospace level of engineering, right? And then, you know, so like mirror shine, precision inside, 70 plus tons, crafted down and fitted into the ground.

• 1:31:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's photos of him holding up a square tool.

• 1:31:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:55Danny Jones?

  To the top of it and it perfectly, there's no gaps in between the granite and the tool.

• 1:31:59Speaker 06

  Like the amount of effort required to do that with apparently copper, copper tools, bro, like copper tools.

• 1:32:04Danny Jones?

  Copper chisels, stone pounding stones.

• 1:32:06Speaker 06

  Sand abrasion and like, and it's bullshit.

• 1:32:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, look, there he is holding a square tool.

• 1:32:09Speaker 06

  I've been, I've been inside this myself. It, it is eerie. It is, you know, these things are, are strange. Um, it, it's just too precise. It's too much and it's more precise on the inside. This is another thing that I highlighted myself is it's more precise on the inside than the outside. It's more aesthetically pleasing on the inside than the outside. Now, does that make sense for a funerary box? A funerary box should be the most aesthetically pleasing on the outside.

• 1:32:37Danny Jones?

  On the outside.

• 1:32:38Speaker 06

  The inside shouldn't matter so much.

• 1:32:40Danny Jones?

  Wow, that bull is pretty impressive though.

• 1:32:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, but that's not in there.

• 1:32:42Danny Jones?

  Oh, that's not in there?

• 1:32:43Speaker 06

  That's not in there, bro.

• 1:32:44Danny Jones?

  Where was that bull you just had?

• 1:32:45Speaker 06

  That's just in the, that'll just be in a museum. Like they would have found that somewhere nearby. Like that's the one that they use.

• 1:32:50Danny Jones?

  Tomb of the sacred bull.

• 1:32:51Speaker 06

  That's, yeah. And so, and, and another thing is that, you know, again, the, the level of expertise on the polishing and the precision engineering inside doesn't match up with the hieroglyphic quality of the outside of the box. So if you look at that one on the far left, the one on the far left is like big black.

• 1:33:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:07Speaker 06

  It's like chicken scratch. It's literally been scratched on.

• 1:33:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:11Speaker 06

  Right? And the Egyptians were known for doing this. They'd slap a cartouche on everything. You know, they'd find it, they'd put a cartouche on it. I own it. This is this pharaoh's and X, Y, Z. So it's no surprise that they found it.

• 1:33:21Danny Jones?

  This ship was just as much as a mystery as it is to us, to them.

• 1:33:24Speaker 06

  I truly believe so. Yeah. I think that they found a lot of these places, considered them deeply important, repurposed them, reused them if they could. And, uh, you know.

• 1:33:32Danny Jones?

  And they just drew, you know, hieroglyphs on them. They should have been smart like us and made money on them.

• 1:33:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, there is one in there. There is one in there that ha, actually does have hieroglyphics that are engraved into a level of quality that is applicable to the actual quality of the box, but only one of them, which is quite interesting. The rest are just chicken scratched on. But yeah, this is one of the weirdest places that I've, I've ever been and was lucky to be able to quickly jump inside this box and actually get a look inside it. And it's just very eerie and it makes you wonder what they were really used for. And, you know, people have all sorts of theories about them being, you know, batteries or energy storage devices or, you know, I think maybe even like a sensory deprivation chamber of some form. It could be something to do with isolating yourself off, but I don't believe that they were.

• 1:34:13Danny Jones?

  How do you move the top of that thing, bro?

• 1:34:16Speaker 06

  It is, I'm like, it's so fucking big as well. The photos don't really do it justice. Like it is insanely big. It's just crazy when you're actually standing next to these things.

• 1:34:26Danny Jones?

  Look at it with the person next to it, Steve.

• 1:34:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, it's always good to see some people.

• 1:34:29Danny Jones?

  No, go down. There's a better one.

• 1:34:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, that one there with the guys.

• 1:34:32Danny Jones?

  The Getty one. Look at that.

• 1:34:34Speaker 06

  It's gigantic, gigantic.

• 1:34:35Danny Jones?

  You're needing like a thousand people to move that top stone, that cover.

• 1:34:39Speaker 06

  Through, through a chamber that accommodates two people on each side. It's just nonsensical. So it's a real mystery. Um, and, and the Saqqara complex, which is the above ground complex, a pyramid site, is equally mysterious. I mean, I went there with Jeffrey Drum. We recorded all across that place. We found some very weird things. Like inside the Pyramid of Eunas, there's a very strange series of engravings on the wall that are invisible to the human eye until you perceive them with a light that's bent on the right angle. So like down in the Unas Pyramid, there is a room, which is like the sarcophagus room. Um, by the way, if you go on my X profile and type in shadow people, Eunas, U N A S, I guarantee it will come up

• 1:35:21Speaker 06

  or shadow statue, I'm sure it will, because it, it did go pretty viral. Um, you go down into this chamber and the back three walls and the floor, like the quarter, the back quarter of the, of the um, floor and the walls are made out of a solid slab of calcite crystal. Like just one solid piece of calcite crystal. Check this out. Actually, this is better than me talking about it. Can you put the audio, the audio?

• 1:35:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we got audio here.

• 1:35:50Speaker 01

  You see the figure?

• 1:35:52Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  You see the belly button and then the arms?

• 1:35:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:55Speaker 06

  You can't see this without the flashlight.

• 1:36:00Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  Baby? Baby.

• 1:36:02Speaker 06

  So it's repurposed?

• 1:36:04Danny Jones?

  Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:07Speaker 06

  That's crazy.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  Incredible. Okay. Yeah. One more.

• 1:36:10Speaker 06

  See, it just vanishes on this side of the wall as well.

• 1:36:14Speaker 01

  No, okay, take. Yep, nothing.

• 1:36:17Speaker 06

  There's nothing there.

• 1:36:22Speaker 01

  Okay. Uh huh.

• 1:36:24Speaker 06

  And then boom, you see it?

• 1:36:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:26Speaker 06

  So these are like the-

• 1:36:27Danny Jones?

  You can't see it because there's no light in there.

• 1:36:28Speaker 06

  These are the original engravings, though, and these have been, you know, obviously drawn over with Aramaic writing and motifs.

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  That the shadow figure is done using a different stoneworking technique.

• 1:36:44Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, the shadow figure, the stuff that appears when you turn the lights, I think that was probably added way later, you know?

• 1:36:51Speaker 06

  You think it was added later?

• 1:36:52Danny Jones?

  I think so. I think it's probably, oh, unless, unless those hieroglyphs go into the-

• 1:36:57Speaker 06

  I think it's over the top of it, like it's over-

• 1:36:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay, you're right.

• 1:37:00Speaker 06

  So I think that this is the original-

• 1:37:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 06

  And far more advanced level of morphing the stone because it's not even engraved. The actual calcite crystal is shaped into that shape. You can see it's not cut when we look back over at it. This has been scratched in, whereas that's been formed in.

• 1:37:15Danny Jones?

  The, the one that appears with the shadow was there first.

• 1:37:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, and then we, you know, they came down and drew all of this stuff, which is beautiful, but it's nowhere near the same level of sophistication as what is originally there.

• 1:37:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:37:24Speaker 06

  And it's just interesting that the back, the back walls, because like the only annoying thing about this one clip is it hasn't got the bit where my friend Jeffrey is demonstrating how the light behaves on the different stone.

• 1:37:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:37:34Speaker 06

  So one side of the wall is completely white and the other side, when you put the torch on, glows orange, like this amazing orange, like all of the walls, because it's crystal. It's made of crystal.

• 1:37:42Danny Jones?

  Is there any natural light that gets into this room? Or is it pitch black if there's no lights in there?

• 1:37:45Speaker 06

  I think it's pitch black if there's no lights. It's just deep down in the pyramid, like in the, in the underground section of the pyramid.

• 1:37:50Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:37:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, but the, the Yunus Pyramid complex has got a lot of stuff on the outside as well. It used to be a two-story complex. That's not there anymore. Just a huge kind of debris field of incredibly engineered granite, like massive blocks of megalithic granite that have been created into what look like portcullis systems that would have interconnected, but it's all discarded around this site. Weird drill holes through solid granite, like tubular drill holes going through that you can see the striation marks of a circular drill going through it. So there's a whole bunch of stuff. Again, I covered all of that in a focus episode on Saqqara with Jeffrey, which is worth watching if anyone wants to check it out.

• 1:38:27Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:38:27Speaker 06

  Um, just, you know, one thing after another that doesn't quite match up. And yeah, I mean, Egypt's fascinating if you can-

• 1:38:33Danny Jones?

  It is.

• 1:38:33Speaker 06

  If you can survive the chaos of traversing it.

• 1:38:35Danny Jones?

  What's your best bet of what the pyramids were? Like best tin, like tin foil hat, super out there theory?

• 1:38:41Speaker 06

  If I was going to go for my best tin foil house, super, super out there theory, I think it would be like some sort of like astral projection machine. Like something that's more about spiritual science than literal science. And, you know, you look at the, uh, King's Chamber with its incredible megalithic rose granite structure, because the rose granite, which as many know, was brought 600 miles from Aswanqari.

• 1:39:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:39:05Speaker 06

  Right, uh, 600 miles, 70, 50, 70 ton blocks of red granite, transported that, that distance. And the King's Chamber is made out of the red granite. So, you know, you go through this limestone pyramid and when you get up to the top of it, it's this incredible chamber of, of, of red granite. And, and granite's a piezoelectric material, so it produces electric, electrical conductivity under mechanical stress. And a form of mechanical stress is acoustic vibration. And the pyramid itself is acoustically resonant. So they've done a lot of tests inside the King's Chamber. It seems to perform, I think it's around 110, 114 hertz, which again is like that magic frequency that starts to shift the brain, shift the state that it's in. And so I wonder if-

• 1:39:49Danny Jones?

  Was it F sharp? Was it F sharp that Chris Dunn was telling us?

• 1:39:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, so that, yeah, he's aware of it as well, like the acoustics, you know? And, and this is something I'm very interested in across the world, especially in prehistoric structures, is what they call psychoacoustic architecture. So architecture that is deliberately engineered to reflect acoustics in ways that affect you psychologically, right? Psychoacoustic architecture. The fact that that was being done in what we call the Stone Age is really quite fascinating. So the pyramid also has what you could call psychoacoustic architecture within the King's Chamber. And it also has this red granite structure that, you know, when acoustic vibration is put through it, can have this piezoelectric effect. And so if I was going to go down like a really exotic route of like what the pyramids were for,

• 1:40:36Speaker 06

  it could be some spirit science coupling of using acoustic energy, using the natural conductive effects of the, um, stone that you're using, a stone that you're implementing into the pyramid, especially because limestone and granite have a weird coupling with each other. So limestone is an amplifier of acoustic vibration, which is why the Greeks and all the Romans used like made their amphiotheaters out of limestone because it projected across. So people at the back could hear it resonating through the stone. It's like a natural microphone. It's a good wave guide for acoustic energy. So limestone assists in the acoustic amplification process and red granite can be influenced through acoustic vibration to create conductivity.

• 1:41:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:41:17Speaker 06

  So the fact that you've got this pyramid that's made of limestone with a concentrated core of red granite, which also has acoustic engineering throughout it, makes me think, well, maybe there's a coupling then between the acoustic energy, the interactions between these materials and some desired effect that came from that. And again, invoking the fact that we are also electromagnetic, biological, computational beings in some way, right? We are energetic beings. Maybe this is some form of complementary energetic coupling between, I'm saying energy a lot, I'm sure people go, ugh. Do you know what I mean? I, podcaster, I know, I know, I read comments, like I know, I know. But like, you know, the energy of the electromagnetic reaction between limestone and granite, plus the energy of an electromagnetic being, these two things coinciding and coupling,

• 1:42:03Speaker 06

  plus the fact that this is orientated on true magnetic north with the Fibonacci sequence and pi. It's like, is this some sort of strange transmen, transdimensional astral projection machine where someone would sit inside that King's Chamber within the sarcophagus and have some form of incredible energetic experience through that? Some sort of, you know, if we're looking at psychoacoustic architecture, when I explained it to Alex-

• 1:42:28Danny Jones?

  That must have been really fucking important to them to build that motherfucker.

• 1:42:31Speaker 06

  But this is what I'm saying, though, but this is what I'm saying. Like, you know, when you look at the fact that psychoacoustic architecture is present within the prehistoric world, you know, before we invoke Egypt. And when I explained psychoacoustic architecture to Alex Jones, he was like, so that's basically drug temples, like, uh, sound, sound temples for drugs. I was like, yeah, yeah, Alex, like sound temples for drugs. And that's basically what we're looking at, is some form of, uh, consciousness-expanding experience through the medium of acoustics deliberately engineered to impact the human brain. And that seems to be present in the prehistoric period. The fact that the pyramid might be some form of apex example of that scientific lineage is where I'm wondering it might have gone. Is it some form of acoustic, psychological engineering attempt that intersects between spirit and science?

• 1:43:17Speaker 06

  So yeah, like that's where I'd go and if I was like falling off like, you know, the edge of the world and saying that's where I'd, you know, that's where I'd like it to be.

• 1:43:24Danny Jones?

  And what was the, like the practical, like what did they achieve? I wonder, like what were they getting? What were they getting out of it?

• 1:43:30Speaker 06

  I mean, if I can sit in my back garden, bro, and have like orange orbs turn up just because I'm flirting with the universe a little bit, what happens when you build a fucking pyramid?

• 1:43:40Danny Jones?

  Right. Right.

• 1:43:44Speaker 06

  I'm just saying, and like, you know, you go down into places like the Dendara Temple, Hathor's Temple in Dendara, um, underneath the, uh, actual temple, like in the subterranean elements. This is where you get the, the light bulb motif, you know, that one of like a, an Egyptian god, like holding what looks like a light bulb. A lot of people have talked about it over time. But the whole area down there is a bizarre, weird story with reptilian beings and, you know, these large beings with humans praying and venerating below them. Scymatic geometry is all across this chamber. I just think that like in, you know, whatever the pyramids were and whatever was really going on in actual ancient Egypt, which I don't think was dynastic Egypt in terms of like pharaonic Egypt,

• 1:44:28Speaker 06

  I think it goes way further back. And the pharaonic era and the dynastic era is just a, a consequence of people finding these structures and building a civilization around it.

• 1:44:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:39Speaker 06

  That's what I think truly happened.

• 1:44:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:41Speaker 06

  And so like they're piecing together a story and it seems to invoke a different civilization, a, a time that was more advanced. And I know people, you know, again- Roll their eyes at Atlantis and things like this, but you know, it's like, you know where the Atlantis story comes from, comes from Plato. You know Plato got it from Solon, right? So Solon actually went to Egypt and he spoke with these priests in the city of Seis. And he got told by them that, oh, you don't know anything, you Hellenese, you Greek, you know, there's been like cycle after cycle. That even we've lost count, you know, and you know, nothing about these different civilizations that came before your time, before our time.

• 1:45:20Speaker 06

  So I think that the Egyptian dynasties and pharaonic reign was a period where some level of knowledge of the time before was being preserved and kept and maintained and like kind of venerated, but it wasn't active. It died. It lost itself. The pyramid was off if it was ever on. And it wasn't these guys that, you know, constructed it. It was something far older that was discovered by them. The Sphinx is another point of contention with that, with like the water erosion around the, around the pit and evidence that it was far older than conventional dating.

• 1:45:53Danny Jones?

  What's the story? They found another Sphinx or something?

• 1:45:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, the second Sphinx, I have my doubts on that. I want, I want to see like excavation. I want to see actual excavation.

• 1:46:00Danny Jones?

  Who came up with this?

• 1:46:01Speaker 06

  Filippo Bianchi.

• 1:46:02Danny Jones?

  Oh, that guy.

• 1:46:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, I've hung out with him. He's a fun guy, dude. He's a fun guy. I like Filippo.

• 1:46:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Jeffrey Drum gave us a whole masterclass on all that. He said he went there with you, actually, the first time.

• 1:46:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm homies with Jeffrey. Like, you know, like I'm, I'm here, I'm, I'm smoking weed with Filippo and I'm hanging out with Jeffrey. Like, you know, like these things intersect. And so I think Filippo's a great guy. Do I think he's right about everything? No. Uh, do I think Jeffrey's right about everything? No. Do I think I'm right? No. Like, you know, pinch assault of everyone, including myself, man, like, jeez, you know? But I, I just think like the second Sphinx, it seems like less important than the potential of some, you know, huge structures beneath the pyramid. But like you said with Jeffrey, he's brought up some points of contention that actually need to be addressed. You know, potential artifacts and signatures that have been copied over or just used as some sort of explanatory framework for what's under the pyramids that seem to be appearing in other parts of Filippo's work, like spirals and things like this. And I have to say, you know,

• 1:46:57Speaker 06

  all due respect to Filippo, I think he's a lovely human being, uh, but I, I also have to be objective and sit back and go, well, Jeffrey's bringing up good points. So I would like to see real evidence and real digging and excavation, which admittedly in a place like Egypt, especially when you're a foreign body, is not a easy thing to achieve. Like they don't want people coming and making their own conclusions about the pyramids and you know, it's like even when I was filming with Jeffrey down in the Serapeum, like he's, he's talking to me and the guy's like, you cannot say, you cannot be a guide. He was like, you know, I'm not a guide. I'm not a guide. He's just my friend. We're just talking.

• 1:47:30Danny Jones?

  Who was saying that?

• 1:47:31Speaker 06

  Just, oh, when you go down into these places, there's always some dude who has to kind of follow you. Like, you know, just like a guard or, you know, a temple keeper. So he was kind of like, you can't stop, stop saying these things. Like, you know, they, they don't like it. Well, they don't like a white guy going in there and being like, this is the truth about this stuff.

• 1:47:46Danny Jones?

  Because there's that one guy who's like one of the, one of the legends, his dad was like a legend of that place, who gives a lot of tour guides there and is also in, on the same page with these alternative theories. Forget his name. He lives right there.

• 1:48:01Speaker 06

  An actual Arabic guy?

• 1:48:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think so. Or he's an Egyptian guy.

• 1:48:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, Egyptian guy. I know, I, I'm pretty sure I know the name, but it's also on the tip of my tongue because it's kind of a long name. But yeah, there's a few people out there that are very much in the alternative world of, you know.

• 1:48:13Danny Jones?

  And they live there and they

• 1:48:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, they live there, you know, yeah.

• 1:48:15Danny Jones?

  You can get like the Mickey Mouse tour or you can get like the Real Bill tour.

• 1:48:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, but you can, you can get the Mickey Mouse tour and you can also get the Mickey Mouse tour on the alternative. Like, you know, just bullshitting their way through Egypt to make money. Cause that's a real thing. You know, I haven't done the tours yet, but I'm certainly at the point where I could do the tours. I, I have a, a level of like, I don't want to do that kind of stuff. I prefer to just go out, travel on my own, not be responsible for anyone and, and just kind of do my thing. And I also don't consider myself some like major authority on these, on these subjects. Like I'm researching, I'm looking, I'm learning myself. But you know, I won't, I won't name anyone, but there were just like enough people out there that just kind of get a little bit of fame. And it's like, right now I'm doing tours for four thousand, five thousand, six thousand, eight thousand. It's just like, dude, I know what you're doing.

• 1:49:01Speaker 06

  You just made, again, like we were saying about Greer, I respect Greer for a lot of the research he's done and CE5 is real. But turning it into the money-making industry he's done, it's like, oh, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don't have any animosity towards people making a level of money in their profession, but when it's kind of like, you can tell that it's being engineered towards that being the primary factor. It's like, oh, you've lost your, your way with it.

• 1:49:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and people see right through it. People see through it.

• 1:49:25Speaker 06

  I see through it and that's why I'm kind of like, I don't want to be in the tour people. I don't want to be another, oh, like Jay's tour through Egypt. Like, let me solve the mysteries. I'm not that. It's too corny for me, bro. Like, I'm not about that. So like, I'd rather just go out and like, you know, try and travel and document and you know, I've taken some people out before, like kind of on, on the low, like just like one, one guy's like, hey, I want to go out to Egypt. It's like, yeah, go on, let's, let's do it. Um, I'll take you out. We got to Egypt. That'd be fun.

• 1:49:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, I want to climb the top of it. I want to.

• 1:49:52Speaker 06

  You can't do that. No, unless you want to AK around getting shot into.

• 1:49:57Danny Jones?

  There's people who took photos up there.

• 1:49:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, no, I know. But like you will get in serious trouble if you do that these days. Like they do not, yeah.

• 1:50:04Danny Jones?

  Can you like greet someone?

• 1:50:05Speaker 06

  Oh man, there's only so much you can back she, she way through things like out there, which is their term for bribe. Like, yeah, like it is like that, that is the way of the world of Egypt is to bribe, like everything. Like, you know, you'll go through multiple, even what the Egyptians call corruption points. You know, it's just sort of, oh, you just, you know, you pay a bit of money and they'll, you know, they won't hassle you. But yeah, like there's a limit to that. Um, there's a limit to that. I mean, they gave me a hard time when I was there last time on the plateau. All I did was I was just lying down on a piece of granite that was next to the pyramid, just like looking up at the pyramid, having a moment, waiting for myself, waiting for the other guys to finish. They came up and was like, you know, you have to move, move.

• 1:50:42Speaker 06

  I was like, Habibi, my fish mush killer. It's no problem. Like, I mean, like I can speak a bit of Arabic enough to kind of pass it off, but they were still just like, no. You can't lie down for five minutes next to the pyramid. So they're pretty weird with that stuff. Also absolutely no meditation.

• 1:50:59Danny Jones?

  It's not allowed?

• 1:50:59Speaker 06

  No meditation in any Egyptian temple or site, dude. Like they will really like quickly, if they see you, especially if you're going, um, if you're doing any humming.

• 1:51:08Danny Jones?

  Why?

• 1:51:09Speaker 06

  I don't know. Like maybe for religious reasons, you could get conspiratorial with it and say they don't want you activating the site. You know, you could say that, who knows? But you do get in trouble for it. If you sit there and hum, they'll say no meditation. They'll come up like, no meditation, no meditation. So, you know, they're quite strict about things like that out there, um, which is interesting for sure.

• 1:51:28Danny Jones?

  And then there's also that new, that big void that they're trying to discover or trying to explore.

• 1:51:32Speaker 06

  Hawara, the labyrinth.

• 1:51:33Danny Jones?

  No, no, not the labyrinth, the big void inside the great pyramid. That's supposed to be above the, the, um, the grand gallery.

• 1:51:41Speaker 06

  Yeah. And I think even Scan Pyramid, which is the official group have been talking about that void within, within the pyramid.

• 1:51:46Danny Jones?

  Well, it shows that something weird is there and there, I think they're trying to, maybe they drilled into it already.

• 1:51:51Speaker 06

  I mean, like to me, this feels like slow drip US government disclosure, like the UFO thing. Like it's kind of like, you don't think that the Egyptian antiquities and government have been inside and done their own classified, you know, secret drilling and of course, like they've a hundred percent scoured that pyramid. So it's like, oh, I can't wait for the new revelation. You know, of something that they've now looted and taken all of the, you know, contradictory elements out of it potentially, of course.

• 1:52:14Danny Jones?

  But yeah, no, you're right. The labyrinth is fascinating.

• 1:52:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, very interesting.

• 1:52:18Danny Jones?

  The labyrinth stuff is fucking crazy. And especially that whole story about that thing, Dippy, that they called Dippy. Which was, uh, when they, when they originally did the scans of it, I want to say in like 2014 or whatever. The guy who did the scans, um, they used, they used all kinds of different satellite stuff and other technology to scan the, uh, the labyrinth. And there was one part of it where like the way, the way it showed up on the radar was they thought it was metallic. And they thought it was like, how big was it?

• 1:52:49Speaker 06

  Forty. It was like, it was the Tic Tac dimensions, wasn't it? Yeah. Cause everyone started saying, oh.

• 1:52:53Danny Jones?

  It was only forty feet?

• 1:52:54Speaker 06

  It's either forty feet or forty meters.

• 1:52:56Danny Jones?

  Forty meters sounds more correct.

• 1:52:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, I swear it was like forty feet. Cause it, well, at least it was similar in comparison to the Tic Tac.

• 1:53:02Danny Jones?

  Type in labyrinth, Dippy object and see what it tells you about it. But it was huge.

• 1:53:06Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, no, I remember everyone losing their shit, saying there's a UFO underneath the labyrinth. Like, you know, there's a metal object in there, mysterious forty foot long metal object. And it's like, well, we haven't been down there yet. So again, there's not much to say other than sounds interesting.

• 1:53:18Danny Jones?

  But there's tons of writing like from antiquity, from like these ancient Greeks who talk about the labyrinth being more impressive than the great pyramid.

• 1:53:25Speaker 06

  So Heraklites, I think was one of them, I think.

• 1:53:27Danny Jones?

  It was Pliny?

• 1:53:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was one of them. Uh, but there was a couple that wrote about the, the grand, you know, splendor of the labyrinth. And so, you know, something there. But another one of the issues with that place is that it's getting waterlogged underneath the ground.

• 1:53:41Danny Jones?

  Cause of the groundwater.

• 1:53:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if they don't excavate soon and recover something, it will just be eroded away and destroyed and most likely a

• 1:53:48Danny Jones?

  Well, you know, part of the reason for that is they built this, this man-made channel.

• 1:53:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, to divert water flow.

• 1:53:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and that really fucked it up.

• 1:53:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, I know, I know. Um, and that, and that's the thing is

• 1:53:59Danny Jones?

  Forty meters wide.

• 1:54:00Speaker 06

  It will continue to

• 1:54:01Danny Jones?

  And no less than a hundred meters long.

• 1:54:03Speaker 06

  No less. And the thing is, the thing is like, in fairness, this is not typical of ancient Egypt. Like a large metallic object is not something that you would typically see in, you, you don't have forty meter long metal objects that are in museums. So whatever this is, it is weird. You know, whatever this is, it's not typical.

• 1:54:21Danny Jones?

  So here is my question though. So when Louis de Cordier was here, he was telling me that black thing in the middle, but in the middle of that green, green stuff. Basically is that Dippy metallic object that's forty by a hundred meters. And it's basically sitting inside of a giant atrium where, you know, it's sitting in this big open area where there's like layers and levels of like, um, walkable space on each side, like I'm kind of like in the middle of a shopping mall corridor, you know?

• 1:54:47Speaker 06

  It's again, all of that.

• 1:54:48Danny Jones?

  But my question is like, what is the other black shit then?

• 1:54:51Speaker 06

  Well, yeah, like

• 1:54:51Danny Jones?

  Like if that, if you

• 1:54:52Speaker 06

  I agree.

• 1:54:53Danny Jones?

  If the black means metal, then that means there's metal scattered throughout this whole thing.

• 1:54:57Speaker 06

  I agree.

• 1:54:58Danny Jones?

  I don't understand that. He didn't understand.

• 1:55:00Speaker 06

  So well, well, hang on a second. Then if he didn't understand, how was his interpretation of this was the metal? Like, why is?

• 1:55:06Danny Jones?

  So this wasn't his interpretation? This was the guy who actually scanned it who's now dead.

• 1:55:10Speaker 06

  Right. Okay. And he's, and the guy that scanned it who's now dead said that this

• 1:55:14Danny Jones?

  I would love to ask him that question. Like why?

• 1:55:16Speaker 06

  Was it written? Like who, who's saying that he said that?

• 1:55:18Danny Jones?

  Can you pull up the, the

• 1:55:20Speaker 06

  Like, I'm just trying to understand like where the original, where the original claim that the black represents metal comes from.

• 1:55:28Danny Jones?

  Um, Tim, who's Tim?

• 1:55:31Speaker 06

  Tim, Tim, okay, Tim.

• 1:55:34Danny Jones?

  Type in, scroll up to the top, it'll tell you hopefully his whole name. It's that old guy right there. Tim Akers, that was the guy.

• 1:55:39Speaker 06

  Tim Akers.

• 1:55:39Danny Jones?

  Tim Akers lived in the birthplace of, oh, Tim Akers.

• 1:55:42Speaker 06

  Satellite scanning company.

• 1:55:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:44Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:55:45Danny Jones?

  So Tim Akers, I believe, is dead now, but, um. Okay, nice, special access programs, there you go. You can't have, uh, some good scans of pyramids or labyrinths without having a special.

• 1:55:56Speaker 06

  Use apps, right?

• 1:55:57Danny Jones?

  Right?

• 1:55:59Speaker 06

  Why doesn't this show it?

• 1:56:00Danny Jones?

  Right, yeah, there's no black.

• 1:56:02Speaker 06

  Okay, see, I have questions, like, this is why you have to sprinkle salt on everything.

• 1:56:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:56:06Speaker 06

  Because who knows what the real truth is. I do know for the, you know, this is a genuine labyrinth. It's a fascinating, incredible architectural space that we should look at, but is sadly eroding away into the desert, whether or not there is a giant metal UFO inside it.

• 1:56:20Danny Jones?

  Go back to the article, Steve, I wanna, I wanna see, um, I wanna see what exactly they, how, how they describe, um, the technology they use to scan it.

• 1:56:28Speaker 06

  Oh, uh, scan. Well, isn't it just GPR?

• 1:56:32Danny Jones?

  Okay. A four-stick layers underground, five if you include the surface right below the mother rock, Tim said. These layers are separated by twenty, fifty meters and align quite strikingly with elements seen in the Huara GeoScan survey.

• 1:56:47Speaker 06

  I don't know if that's what this is. Satellite, inverted satellite scan.

• 1:56:51Danny Jones?

  Okay. Yeah, do a search, a command F for satellite.

• 1:56:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, I feel like these look more like artifacts to me than actual structure.

• 1:57:06Danny Jones?

  Tim Akers satellite scans.

• 1:57:08Speaker 06

  Okay, what kind of satellite are we talking about? His satellite scans?

• 1:57:15Danny Jones?

  But it's definitely interesting, you know, I would love to see some sort of, yeah, apparently they are doing an excavation of it, but I heard it's a bullshit excavation.

• 1:57:22Speaker 06

  I mean, I've, I've been out there and it doesn't look like there's fucking anything going on. Yeah, it's still very much just buried under the ground, so, uh, yeah. There's not much excavation going on whatsoever. Um, but yeah, like, you know, metal objects aside, it's still a fascinating place. Like, there is apparently written in Greek literature, this, you know, mind-blowing wonder of the world that even overshadowed the pyramids. Like, I wanna see that. I wanna see what's in there, you know? Sadly, I think we've already lost a good portion of it, you know, um, and with the way that it's going, I, I don't anticipate there being any major excavations anytime soon.

• 1:57:56Danny Jones?

  So it says Tim Akers used holographic subsurface 3D radar processing and ultra-high-frequency data.

• 1:58:01Speaker 06

  Interesting.

• 1:58:02Danny Jones?

  From private orbiting satellites via his company Merlin Burrows.

• 1:58:06Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:58:06Danny Jones?

  To scan the Huara, Egypt labyrinth.

• 1:58:09Speaker 06

  So not GPR, something a little bit more sophisticated than GPR.

• 1:58:14Danny Jones?

  But who knows how real it is?

• 1:58:15Speaker 06

  Exactly, exactly, you know?

• 1:58:17Danny Jones?

  Like, one of the things that really blew my mind, that Jeffrey was showing me with the beyond the scans of the Khafra Pyramid, was he was showing the scan and he, he overlaid it on top of what we actually know of the inner chambers in that pyramid, and it's completely different. It basically showed there's like multiple king's chamber-sized chambers, and we know for a fact they're not there.

• 1:58:35Speaker 06

  This is the thing.

• 1:58:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:36Speaker 06

  Interpretation of data skewed by bias, you know?

• 1:58:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:58:40Speaker 06

  Desire to believe in something and, uh, you know, for the most part, myself included, uh, an overlooking of that kind of scrutiny. Because they believe it, and it's like, that's exciting, and this is very interesting, but, you know, when someone brings up something like that and matches it together, you would be wrong to sit there and go, oh, come on, like, you know, you have to admit that there are problems, right? So like, we have to look at it, and it's disappointing.

• 1:59:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you can't be married to that bullshit.

• 1:59:06Speaker 06

  You can't be, dude, like, there are so many different situations over the, you know, like, the four, five years that I've been traversing various subjects as a podcast host and a researcher where, you know, you, you think maybe this is actually leading into a, a good signal, and then it kind of just dies off, you know? And, uh, it would be a shame if there was absolutely nothing to this. It would be a real shame, because a lot of people believe in it very strongly. Um, but yeah, like Jeffrey has admittedly highlighted some parts of this that just are major discrepancies, so you know, you can't let that go. Can't just dismiss that.

• 1:59:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:59:39Speaker 06

  Gotta talk about it. And, you know, regardless, and I've said this as well, like, even throughout the excitement of the scans and, you know, the Khafra scans, removing all of this from the equation, these places are still unbelievably fascinating and mysterious.

• 1:59:53Danny Jones?

  You know what, you wanna know what really took the fucking wind out of my sails, man?

• 1:59:57Speaker 06

  What was it, bro?

• 1:59:59Danny Jones?

  When I discovered that these things are probably man-made, like, like modern made.

• 2:00:04Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:06Danny Jones?

  So, fun fact.

• 2:00:09Speaker 06

  I've got one of those.

• 2:00:09Danny Jones?

  All of the most precise, all of the most precise granite vases, like, when they were scanned, A, they were not Aswan granite.

• 2:00:18Speaker 06

  Right.

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• 2:00:30Speaker 01

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• 2:01:04Speaker 06

  Well, they would die, I think it might be diorite, a lot of them.

• 2:01:06Danny Jones?

  Some of them were actual granite, some of them were diorite, but none of the precise ones were Aswan granite.

• 2:01:12Speaker 06

  Right.

• 2:01:12Danny Jones?

  Meaning the same granite that was used to build all the shit in, on Giza.

• 2:01:15Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 2:01:16Danny Jones?

  Um, especially the ones that were put in the bottom of that pyramid. Uh, there are tons of granite vases that are super rugged and like not perfect that are Aswan granite.

• 2:01:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, man.

• 2:01:27Danny Jones?

  That are even in the museums, yeah.

• 2:01:29Speaker 06

  Yep, I've seen them.

• 2:01:30Danny Jones?

  So, like, with that, you just gotta follow the money.

• 2:01:33Speaker 06

  The precision manufacturing.

• 2:01:34Danny Jones?

  There's a lot of motherfuckers who wanna make a lot of money on these crazy artifacts, on this antiquities market.

• 2:01:39Speaker 06

  Right.

• 2:01:39Danny Jones?

  And that's probably what it is.

• 2:01:42Speaker 06

  I hate to say you're probably right, although there could, again, potentially be some precursor examples that people worked from, and the only reason I'd invoke that is because you can look at things like the Serapeum and other examples of, okay, so they were doing something of this incredible precision, but yeah, man, again, like, the money game is big in this alternative world, and I don't think people realize how, how important that is, you know, in terms of like the, the hustle and the, and the grifting and the, the money-making. Like, you know, I hear a lot of people, kind of going back to ufology, although it speaks very much the alternative history world as well. Oh, come on, there's not much money in ufology. It's like, bullshit, there isn't, bro. There's film deals, there's like, you know, there's major, major money to be made in this game.

• 2:02:23Danny Jones?

  So, you know, you have a UFO podcast, you can make a small fortune.

• 2:02:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, and if you've got.

• 2:02:28Danny Jones?

  Just like, I mean, and that's human nature too, like.

• 2:02:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:02:30Danny Jones?

  I have learned by just doing this podcast, if I just did UFO podcasts, my podcast would be five times the size it is right now. I mean, yeah, but the UFO stuff has the biggest audience. Everyone loves the UFO stuff, but you can't just fall into that trap. I gotta do, I mean, I gotta do things that I'm interested in.

• 2:02:46Speaker 06

  I'd go insane if I just covered UFOs.

• 2:02:47Danny Jones?

  Right, I would go insane, you know, totally.

• 2:02:49Speaker 06

  Uh, you know, you're, I think me and you are similar in, in, like, our curiosity goes off in a lot of different avenues. It's like, I might cover UFOs, I might do psychedelics, I might speak to a scientist, I might speak to a religious, you know, leader of some form. You know, I like all sorts of different ideas and, and, you know, being, you know, restricted to one subject like UFOs, I could never do that, but yeah, like, it's a, it's a very weird kind of subject to traverse, and there's a lot of money to be made, and you have to be very careful of that. And, uh, you know, it's, it's one of those things where, like you said, oh, you could get so many views on the UFO subject. It's like, true. Objectively covering it, you can still get views, and you can also just like sell out your morals and be like, yeah, I've got an insider source, yada, yada, yada, just make them up.

• 2:03:28Speaker 06

  You could just make, and people do, of course they do, they just pull a source out of their ass, and then they'll, and people go like, wow, there's like a new, you know, insider. It's like, how, how long are we meant to believe this for? It's like, you know, I, I see, I see through it a lot of the time, and other times I've been, I've been duped. You know, I've had a couple of people on my podcast where I'm like, oh, damn, like, you know, they were a full-on grifter, right, you know?

• 2:03:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it happens to us, man.

• 2:03:51Speaker 06

  Yeah. It's the way it is, you know, playing the game and going through this minefield, and, uh, you know, it's like you said about the different categories of people with, like, you know, you've got grifters and, and people who are real experiences, and it all gets mixed up. You've also got just people who are out of their mind. Like, actual delusional people that see patterns in chaos that aren't there, and the problem with the UFO subject is because it is so outlandish anyway, as a subject, the floodgate is open for everyone, including every delusion, every paranoid conspiracy, every toaster that's spying on you. You know, like, all of that is part and parcel of this. You've got real, actual experiences, like this fine thread, and it's all compiled in with

• 2:04:31Speaker 06

  government psyops, grifters, and just crazy people. And, you know, like, sifting through that is mental, it's really hard. And it's like, you know, been a challenge over the years to do that, and sometimes you accidentally pick up someone who isn't legit, you know? But yeah, I think as long as you're honest about that with your audience as well, don't try and hide behind it and be like, oh, you know, I've got, tricked by, got duped. Sorry, guys, you know?

• 2:04:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:53Speaker 06

  You know, it happens.

• 2:04:54Danny Jones?

  It happens to everyone.

• 2:04:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, you gotta stay honest.

• 2:04:56Danny Jones?

  You could, you start to notice the patterns after a while with those types of people.

• 2:04:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, I've sharpened up a lot over the last couple of years.

• 2:05:02Danny Jones?

  You know, there's people that try to like start hedging upfront and playing it super cautious upfront, you know, I don't like to say these things like, oh, this is how, this is all the credible things that I've done, and, you know, I don't like to talk about this, but there is this thing or whatever, and it's like, I've noticed over the years that the people who are like the most upfront about things, like out of the gate, and that aren't afraid to say the most outlandish shit, usually the outlandish shit ends up being the true shit.

• 2:05:27Speaker 06

  It's the most true, yeah, yeah, no, a hundred percent.

• 2:05:29Danny Jones?

  Like, the Stephen, we were talking about Stephen Greer earlier, like, I just think that that guy, that guy's probably very correct about a lot of things he fucking says.

• 2:05:36Speaker 06

  No doubt.

• 2:05:36Danny Jones?

  But he's just, he's just impossible, he's an impossible personality to contend with.

• 2:05:42Speaker 06

  He believes his narrative to the T, like, you know, there is not really any maneuvering, and, and that's one thing that I really try and protect myself against is coming up with any sort of conclusion on these utterly bizarre, unexplainable things that we still don't have any sort of raw empirical data for. Like, the idea that you can kind of just be like, no, like, this is it, I've figured it out, because I am just that intelligent. It's like, hmm, seems like an ego trap to me. Like, sure, I've certainly felt like I'm the smartest guy in the room a few times, but, you know, to ha, to carry that into like a level of conviction on like the anomalous is very like. Counterintuitive to me. It doesn't really make sense because you don't have the explanations. None of us do. Like for me, I just offer points of possibility, like maybe they're self organized plasma.

• 2:06:26Speaker 06

  Maybe it's a psychic projection. It's certainly not fucking drones being flown by teenagers. And it's certainly not flashing plane signals, like you know, screw you for like even suggesting I'm that stupid.

• 2:06:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:06:39Speaker 06

  Like that annoys me when people are like, oh, you sure? Were you, were you on any drugs? It's like, dude, if I was on mushrooms, do you think I might have mentioned that? Oh, yeah, I also took five grams, you know, then I saw orbs. Like, no, like the fact that it was a sober moment for me and the experience these things, you know, there's no prosaic explanation I can find. So like, you know, it's certainly difficult to try and like, you know, explain those things to people. But yeah, like it's, yeah, I've lost my train of thought a little bit there, kind of wandered off.

• 2:07:07Danny Jones?

  But what I love about like, what people like Jesse do is he not only will talk to like the crazy people who claim to be abducted and taken to some mothership somewhere, but he also does like these crazy elaborate deep dives into the history of someone like

• 2:07:21Speaker 06

  Oh, I love that.

• 2:07:22Danny Jones?

  The Townsend Brown stuff, which you can't deny that. That's all legitimate stuff. And he connects all the people that were around him and like, oh, he finds the documents that corroborate it. He talks to their fucking family members, like their daughters and shit. Like it's like.

• 2:07:37Speaker 06

  That's some of his most impressive work, like for sure.

• 2:07:40Danny Jones?

  You can't deny that. That shit's real.

• 2:07:41Speaker 06

  No, no. Like, I mean, all the, the whole kind of like classified Cold War electrogravitic and, you know, like field propulsion. This stuff to me is fascinating and real. And there's clearly a tangible line where suddenly the open discussion just cuts off and people drop into the classified world and it suddenly becomes a murky world of, you know, special access and unacknowledged special access and waived and carved out special access and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, that whole structure of secrecy erected around the Cold War and just kept going and just kept strengthening. And T Townsend Brown and, and I would also say Nikola Tesla, you know?

• 2:08:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:15Speaker 06

  These are points of, of, you know, contact where you can say, well, these guys were being taken very seriously by the national security architecture of the time, by the US Air Force, by the research laboratories, you know, they got brought in. And Tesla, you know about the whole John G Trump thing with Tesla, right?

• 2:08:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:08:30Speaker 06

  He was the guy that was, yeah, Trump's uncle, MIT electrophysicist, you know, kind of a genius electro guy. And he was the one that was brought in to assess all of Nikola Tesla's work to see if there was anything for national security benefit. And one of the things that he did say in that interview that I've posted a couple of times is that he came across correspondence between Tesla and the absolute highest levels of British and Russian royalty, speaking to like the czar of Russia and speaking to the King of England about acquiring a super weapon of unimaginable power from Tesla. And like this correspondence between both Russian and British royalty about their desire to acquire this incredible weapon

• 2:09:13Speaker 06

  of, of, you know, unimaginable power. And John G Trump is on this interview saying, I never, you know, discovered what this was, although I have my suspicions of it being something that could do tremendous damage from a distance using, I believe he had mentioned electromagnetic energy. He might not have, but he did say about tremendous damage from a distance. So there was certainly something he found where he considered it to be, you know, there was a mystery that he was designing something of, you know, very powerful energy for the royalty of Britain, Britain and Russia. So, you know, like, you know, people like T Townsend Brown and Tesla, and there's some others out there as well. Even the one that went a bit weird, what's his name? John Hutchinson?

• 2:09:51Danny Jones?

  I don't remember that one.

• 2:09:52Speaker 06

  Hutchinson effect, the Hutchinson effect.

• 2:09:54Danny Jones?

  What's that?

• 2:09:55Speaker 06

  The guy that was making like cannonballs float in his crazy laboratory full of wires and modules.

• 2:10:01Danny Jones?

  Oh, I don't think I saw those.

• 2:10:02Speaker 06

  Oh, he's famous, famous case. If you like a John Hutchinson and it's called the Hutchinson, the Hutchinson effect, or it's the Hutchinson or something like that. You'll find it. It's very, it's well known. There's a whole wiki on it. He's a weird dude. He was kind of like doing exotic experiments that only he could describe with all of these crazy modules, but he was filming levitating cannonballs, metal falling apart, like all of these really quite incredible videos. Then he got harassed by the US Air Force and he was doing videos about how he was being harassed by these spooks coming to his lab. And then eventually he got debunked with this video of him making a UFO, a flying saucer model hover using his technology. But you could see this very clear nylon string.

• 2:10:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:10:45Speaker 06

  However, all of the other videos looked really legit. And then this one is so obviously a fake. It makes me think, was he forced to do that? Because the other ones aren't even close to this level of dumb. It was weird. The other ones were weird. And then the guy, I mean, he's like a princess now or something.

• 2:11:03Danny Jones?

  A princess?

• 2:11:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, gender, the whole thing. He's

• 2:11:06Danny Jones?

  The Hutchinson guy?

• 2:11:07Speaker 06

  Yeah. He's like, he's got a YouTube channel where he's like a princess.

• 2:11:10Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow. This guy really got fucking MKUltra, didn't he?

• 2:11:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, pretty hard.

• 2:11:13Danny Jones?

  Do you find anything on it, Steve?

• 2:11:14Speaker 04

  Oh, I mean, yeah, there's a bunch of videos.

• 2:11:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, like, yeah, old school videos of him.

• 2:11:19Speaker 04

  It's, there's, there's a lot.

• 2:11:22Danny Jones?

  Is this one of his videos? A Red Bull can?

• 2:11:23Speaker 06

  I don't remember the Red Bull can, but

• 2:11:25Danny Jones?

  Hutchinson effect experiment.

• 2:11:27Speaker 06

  A whole bunch of videos. So there could certainly be one of a Red Bull can.

• 2:11:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, so he's got, I mean, there's so many effects. This is, this is one where like

• 2:11:35Danny Jones?

  What is the explanation of how he did this?

• 2:11:37Speaker 04

  Stuff floats.

• 2:11:38Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:11:39Speaker 06

  And it's, it's his own, it's chaos engineering, bro. Like if it's real, only he could explain it because he was using all these different modulators and acoustic amplifiers and electromagnetic amplifiers. And he found his particular sequence in this pirate chaos lab that he had in his, in his apartment. Dude, his whole apartment was just full of insane.

• 2:12:00Danny Jones?

  The guy right here?

• 2:12:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is him. This is him.

• 2:12:02Speaker 04

  That's, there he is.

• 2:12:04Speaker 06

  I mean, he looked weird then. You should see him now.

• 2:12:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, he looks cool shit.

• 2:12:07Speaker 06

  See him now, bro. But yeah, he is another.

• 2:12:11Danny Jones?

  Find a picture of him as a princess.

• 2:12:13Speaker 06

  He's got a YouTube channel. He's literally got a fucking YouTube channel.

• 2:12:19Speaker 06

  I, I saw a video and I was like, oh.

• 2:12:21Danny Jones?

  This is his last name. What's his first name?

• 2:12:23Speaker 06

  I don't, John, John Hutchinson is his name.

• 2:12:27Danny Jones?

  John Hutchinson.

• 2:12:28Speaker 06

  I'm sure if you typed in princess or whatever, it would probably come up.

• 2:12:34Speaker 06

  Oh man, maybe on YouTube, but

• 2:12:35Danny Jones?

  Man, he looks like a cool mad scientist in the first picture.

• 2:12:38Speaker 06

  Yeah. And he like, whatever happened to him, man? Like, I don't know, but he's another example of someone that was being messed around with by the national security state and seemed to have something going on. Yeah, there you go.

• 2:12:49Danny Jones?

  Is that him?

• 2:12:50Speaker 04

  Oh my.

• 2:12:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's him now.

• 2:12:52Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow. They got to him, bro.

• 2:12:54Speaker 06

  That's him now.

• 2:12:54Danny Jones?

  Ask Kurt Metzger what happened to him. He'll tell you.

• 2:12:59Speaker 06

  So yeah, like he's another interesting case and, you know, a lot of people took him very seriously before all of this happened. But yeah, like people get messed with. Maybe he's another example of someone who got messed with. His initial videos were very strange, making these things levitate, making these things move.

• 2:13:17Danny Jones?

  Enough, Steve. We don't need to see it anymore.

• 2:13:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's kind of, kind of haunting. I don't think I blinked the entire time. Yeah, dude, like, you know, that's, it's the world, the world we live in now, hey? But yeah, like the, the gravity classified T Townsend Brown route is, it's a hundred percent something there. And we were talking about it earlier when you mentioned the other guy that I had talked about on Joe Rogan, who was saying that he had designed this vehicle that could go at the speed of light or beyond the speed of light, right? I think you've mentioned it earlier because this is another.

• 2:13:47Danny Jones?

  Who was that?

• 2:13:48Speaker 06

  Well, we were talking about Bobby Ray Inman and, and Bob Exler and you brought someone up and I was like, oh, that's actually a different situation.

• 2:13:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:56Speaker 06

  You were referring to this guy, which is the, the whole ARV flux liner, alien reproduction vehicle flux liner story with Mark McCandlish.

• 2:14:05Danny Jones?

  Yes, that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:14:07Speaker 06

  So Mark, it, it was Mark McCandlish that gave the world that schematic of this, you know, incredible flying saucer vehicle. There's like a blueprint engineering schematic.

• 2:14:16Danny Jones?

  I remember that.

• 2:14:17Speaker 06

  Called the alien reproduction vehicle. I've got a blow up of it in my study. It's awesome.

• 2:14:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Get a picture of that thing. It's incredible.

• 2:14:22Speaker 06

  You can get it on Etsy if you want. That one, I got that. I've got that blow up. It's fantastic. It's good quality. It'd be good for your studio, actually. Not a bad one. But yeah, it's, it's a great, it's a great piece of work from a aerospace illustrator, Mark McCandlish, a celebrated aerospace illustrator who took his own life in a very strange and kind of, you know,

• 2:14:42Speaker 06

  the timing of it was pretty weird because he was meant to be testifying to the Senate Intelligence Committee about this.

• 2:14:47Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:14:48Speaker 06

  I think a month before his suicide. It was very soon. It was coming up. It was coming up. I don't want to be definitive, but it was coming up. Either way, Mark McCandlish came out originally with Stephen Greer in 2001 National Press Conference. You know, where Stephen Greer organized, I think about 50 intel guys that came up and spoke and said their piece. Well, this was lifted up by Stephen Greer and Mark McCandish came up, introduced himself and explained this whole schematic as being a vehicle that his friend, I really shouldn't be forgetting this name, but I have, we'll have to cycle back on it. If you can find it, it'll be like the only other name attached to Mark McCandish's ARV story. It's on the tip of my tongue.

• 2:15:29Speaker 06

  B, begins with a B, I swear. Either way, I shouldn't be forgetting that. That's really bad of me, but especially because I presented like a piece of key evidence that the guy actually did, like had a phone call with a friend of mine. But either way, Mark McCandish's friend, who was part of the military, really want to find that. It's annoying the hell out of my brain right now that I can't remember his.

• 2:15:51Danny Jones?

  Brad Sorensen.

• 2:15:53Speaker 06

  Yes, thank you. Oh my god, thank you. So yeah, Brad Sorensen was the friend of Mark McCandlish, a military friend of Mark McCandlish, who came to Mark and said that he was taken to a classified air show where they were taken into a hangar and shown these three vehicles, three of these vehicles in varying sizes, called like Mama Bear, Baby Bear and Papa Bear, like, you know, colloquially within the, within the intel community. And they were called alien reproduction vehicles. And, you know, this guy was Brad Sorensen was showing them. He described them to Mark McCandlish, Mark McCandlish being an aerospace illustrator, created this very detailed schematic, right? So he used his friend's knowledge of making incredibly detailed internal structures of, of military platforms. And this is what

• 2:16:37Speaker 06

  came out of it. But no one ever heard from Brad Sorensen. So we only ever had, like, technically, the secondhand story from Mark McCandlish, of saying, well, my friend Brad saw this, and, you know, this is what happened. Then, of course, Mark took his own life, or maybe he didn't, depends on who you're talking to and who you believe. Obviously, the timing is pretty strange, because he was meant to be testifying to the Senate on this subject, which would be very disruptive, because we're not talking about designing our human platforms yet, are we? We're talking about, oh, well, maybe we've got a vehicle, maybe we're reverse engineering, maybe there's 12 house somewhere. We're not talking about, oh, we've designed and had one operational since the 60s, 70s, right? That's a bit too far ahead for the conversation. So maybe that was why he got stopped before he could keep going, maybe. But either way, Brad Sorensen, no one had heard from him. A friend of mine,

• 2:17:22Speaker 06

  who, again, has his connections into the American intelligence community, managed to find a phone number for Brad Sorensen. We got in touch with him.

• 2:17:30Danny Jones?

  You got in touch with him?

• 2:17:30Speaker 06

  My friend got in touch with him. And I was listening on the phone as he got in touch with him. Alright, so I had like, you know, the whole thing, like, I was like, listening in. And he said a bunch of things, including, he was very angry about Mark McCandlish. He said that Mark McCandlish, I mean, he was swearing all over the place about him, kind of saying he was a, you know, egotistical motherfucker. He, he wanted to, you know, I was trying to give him the keys to the kingdom, and he had to go out there and tell the whole goddamn world, you know. And, but what he said to my friend, and again, like, pinch of salt, who knows if this is true, but this was coming from Brad now. He said, I am capable of designing and building a vehicle that can go 210 times the speed of

• 2:18:15Speaker 06

  light. And that was like, the big bomb drop on the phone call. And he was like, you know, does that give you?

• 2:18:22Danny Jones?

  This was recorded?

• 2:18:23Speaker 06

  Can neither confirm or deny that. But it was, you know, a pretty shocking statement that he gave. And he basically reiterated it a couple of times and said, you know, we have turned over every stone in our solar system. And what we have realized is we have to make the earth work. And then he was going into how delicate of an ecosystem we have around our planet, how there's no viable options around our planet. And he said, I will never go public with this, because the people I work for, they would fucking fry me. And then he said something along the lines of, like, he was, he respects his employers. Like, he was like, you know, these guys, they don't want to tell the world what they're

• 2:19:06Speaker 06

  doing. And they're trying to do things, you know, they're looking 20, 30 years into the future of what can benefit humanity. They, you know, they can't trust the masses. They can't, and I'm not going to be the guy, like, kind of saying this whole thing about, I'm not going to be the guy that's going to go out there and say this, they're doing it for the benefit of humanity. And it's just like, you know, and then, and then he kind of reiterated, but I told you that I can design and build a spacecraft that goes 210 times the speed of light. So does that give you an idea of where we're going? And I was just like, oh, fuck, like, you know, he was just going off on my, and my friend introduced himself to a level that at least gave him the idea, that he knew that he was part of the military. But he was very open with my friend on the phone. Like, that's why, like,

• 2:19:48Speaker 06

  again, pinch of salt, maybe he's not telling the truth. He was very quick to just suddenly start bragging about things that sound like they're deep black classified.

• 2:19:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:19:56Speaker 06

  Nevertheless, this is the point of contact that Mark McCandlish originally created that schematic from. And this is what he was saying on the phone, 210 times the speed of light, turned over every stone in the solar system. Yeah, so.

• 2:20:07Danny Jones?

  That's fucking crazy, bro.

• 2:20:08Speaker 06

  Bobby Ray England, we know there's no life in the galaxy.

• 2:20:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:11Speaker 06

  How? So, yeah, there was another point, there was another interesting thing that I came across and was just like, there we go, like, who knows? Maybe we've really got that far?

• 2:20:21Danny Jones?

  If we have, we're living in a completely fake world, bro. Like, if they can do 210 times the speed of light, which doesn't even make sense in my mind, if that's true, like, we're just living in like, such a lie, like, such a lie.

• 2:20:31Speaker 06

  Right.

• 2:20:32Danny Jones?

  You know, like Flintstones, while they're out there beyond the point of even... Blasting rockets up into space without using all that fucking fuel. You know, those rockets are like 99% fuel?

• 2:20:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:20:43Danny Jones?

  That they blast into space. And they're also worried about global warming.

• 2:20:45Speaker 06

  So 99% dollars is what you're saying? Just dollars pouring out of the back?

• 2:20:49Danny Jones?

  That's an interesting observation you made there, Jay. Yeah, just dollars.

• 2:20:52Speaker 06

  Just dollars pouring out, pouring.

• 2:20:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:55Speaker 06

  All the time. Money, money, money. Fuck creativity and science. Fuck it.

• 2:20:59Danny Jones?

  Let's just suck every last penny out of this.

• 2:21:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, bro. So, again, I've got pretty cynical at this point, but it's how the world works.

• 2:21:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it is how the world works. It's insane. It all goes back. Just follow the dollars and you'll find out what everything's worth.

• 2:21:12Speaker 06

  There's no money in field propulsion. There's no money in just a floating disc that doesn't shoot anything out the back of it, you know, not long-term money.

• 2:21:19Danny Jones?

  We can't put a gun on it.

• 2:21:20Speaker 06

  Can't put a gun on it. Yeah, exactly. Can't, can't do kinetic warfare. What's the point of it?

• 2:21:24Danny Jones?

  Right. That's exactly what it is.

• 2:21:26Speaker 06

  No worries about Alpha Centauri and beyond, right? Fuck it. Buzz Lightyear, who cares?

• 2:21:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:21:32Speaker 06

  You know, just stay on this planet and rot.

• 2:21:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's, it's fucking crazy, man.

• 2:21:36Speaker 06

  At the behest of these terrible people. Yeah, I mean, you know, maybe conversating about it will actually make a change.

• 2:21:41Danny Jones?

  What is your take on that whole story of the guy who claimed to pick up the egg-shaped UFO, who, I forget his name. Anyways, Jesse did an interview with him.

• 2:21:53Speaker 06

  I don't trust any, Jake Barber.

• 2:21:55Danny Jones?

  Jake Barber.

• 2:21:56Speaker 06

  I don't trust him.

• 2:21:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that was a freaky fucking story.

• 2:21:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's a freaky fucking dude.

• 2:22:01Danny Jones?

  And then the story of these mountains that use these, they can fly into these mountains, so they can turn the mountains on or off.

• 2:22:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, like holographic mountains or something.

• 2:22:10Danny Jones?

  Well, they're real, they can make them hard, so if a helicopter crashes into it, it'll explode. Or they can click a button and make the helicopter fly into it.

• 2:22:16Speaker 06

  So fun.

• 2:22:17Danny Jones?

  Oh, my god, it's insane.

• 2:22:19Speaker 06

  Love it. Wacky.

• 2:22:20Danny Jones?

  I was, my jaw was on the floor watching that documentary.

• 2:22:23Speaker 06

  You know, like Jake Barber, I remember, because he was involved with Skywatcher, like, the whole Skywatcher thing, which was like, let's take CE5 and Greer's idea. Of course, we've spent about 10 years dismissing Greer and actively telling people in the UFO community not to pay attention to him through people like Lou Elizondo, like, you know, fuck Greer, fuck Greer, fuck Greer. But let's take his idea, militarize it, make it all about kind of like, you know, a bunch of commandos out in the desert with M16s, who are setting up their little base of operations to, you know, do these psionic experiments. It's like, this is so lame. Like, honestly, it's so lame. Like, you've, you've literally taken CE5, and you've just appropriated it into this kind of like, national security, military, like, we're out here looking for the aliens, and we're ready for anything.

• 2:23:08Speaker 06

  It's like, that is so counterintuitive to the entire idea of like, peaceful communication, contact, some level of bridging this gap between us and whatever the hell's going on out there. So I actually, like, DM'd Jake about that. And was like, you know, why do you guys go out weaponized and like, you know, militarized? Because I kind of feel, at least from my own experience of doing this type of practice, and I'm not some like, woo-woo hippie, but just like, from this very particular thing you're doing, which is consciousness-related engagement and invitation for communication with some other intelligence in the universe. Why, why do you think that you're, why is it appropriate to do it armed? Because I feel like you're introducing a level of doubt into your consciousness, a

• 2:23:51Speaker 06

  level of prepared for threat into your consciousness, that already negates the peaceful nature of what you're trying to do. Because it's no longer peaceful. Because you're, you're ready to kill and fight, which will be in the signal that you're sending. Again, we're going back to these very subtle threats.

• 2:24:06Danny Jones?

  He's probably not the one making the decisions to do that, though, right?

• 2:24:08Speaker 06

  I just asked for justification. I just asked for him to explain it. And he never could explain it in a good way. It was like, oh, well, we're just prepared for anything. It's just like, that doesn't, again, like, I really would like you to explain how you feel that that, like, you do not think that that impacts the mechanics of like, the very subtle consciousness interaction. And he could never give me a good answer. I just don't think these guys are legit. I think that they've taken things that were being done and appropriated them for this new narrative that's focused around promotion of government, promotion of national security, and like, kind of what's going on within the US system. Again, like, Tom DeLonge said the, this exact thing to John Podesta, in the WikiLeaks. You know about the WikiLeaks emails? So like, the WikiLeaks emails that came out, obviously, like, you know, about all sorts of things. Some really weird shit with John Podesta.

• 2:24:51Speaker 06

  You could go down the rabbit hole, swimming pools and children and...

• 2:24:54Danny Jones?

  Those fucking paintings and things that he had in his house?

• 2:24:57Speaker 06

  That's his brother.

• 2:24:58Danny Jones?

  That was his brother, okay.

• 2:24:59Speaker 06

  Equally as fucked up, you know. Yeah, so like, you know, that family is really weird. We could talk about, you know, pizza gate stuff as well, because that's real. But, yeah, on the other side of the equation, Tom DeLonge, who was running the whole UFO disclosure thing silently in the background, talking to Lou and Chris and Hal Potts off before it went public, and created To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, and introduced this whole thing. So he was emailing John Podesta, talking about the project to the Stars Academy. And these emails are out there on WikiLeaks, saying, the main goal is to try and change the opinion of the youth with their anti-government perspective, and we're trying to reinforce a pro-government perspective. And when you really listen to a lot of the interviews Tom DeLonge does, he's, he really pushes that whole thing of, they're not the

• 2:25:42Speaker 06

  bad guys. I know that we've been conditioned to think that they're the bad guys, but that's only because they've been doing this in secret to help us. And it's like, this perspective that he has, is being echoed into the main narrative now, that's reinforced by all of these intel guys. And again, they're taking things like Stephen Greer's CE5 and like, militarizing it into a national security version of CE5. So I just look at all of this, like, you're just kind of cherry picking from what's already out there and applying it to this very threatening kind of idea. And who knows, man, maybe Wernher Von Braun really did say that shit, you know, about the whole invasion being the last card. You know, Wernher Von Braun, the rocket scientist?

• 2:26:19Danny Jones?

  I know who he is. What did he say about the last invasion?

• 2:26:20Speaker 06

  So, have you heard of Carol Rosen?

• 2:26:24Danny Jones?

  It sounds familiar.

• 2:26:25Speaker 06

  Big frizzy hair. That's the most distinguishing feature of a white frizzy hair UFO woman. You might have seen her with Greer or like, she was the first to, oh, she doesn't look, is that her? No, it's got an I. It's Rosin.

• 2:26:39Danny Jones?

  R O S I N.

• 2:26:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, R O S, and if you typed in like Greer alongside it, probably, there we go. Boom, I told you about it. Most distinguishing feature.

• 2:26:47Danny Jones?

  She's in his documentaries.

• 2:26:48Speaker 06

  So, yeah, so, um, so she's actually, as much as her hair is crazy, she was the CEO of Fairchild Industries, which is a contractor, aerospace contractor. So she was actually like one of the first female aerospace contractor CEOs, like a very accomplished woman, um, who claims because she was working as, uh, Werner Von Braun's personal assistant near the end of his life.

• 2:27:06Danny Jones?

  I have heard her, yeah, yeah.

• 2:27:07Speaker 06

  Of course, man, it's classic, yeah. On his deathbed, he said multiple times to her that the last card is the alien card, that there's going to be a fake alien invasion. This is where like Blue Beam and all that stuff really kind of comes from is like the original statements from Werner Von Braun essentially just saying that there's going to be a fake alien invasion, that there's going to be various stages, that they'll blame things on third world country dictators and, um, you know, like immigration. And he went through, he basically said there'll be a domino effect of various things. And, uh, and he was like, and at least according to Carol, he was saying the last card is the alien card and it's all a lie. It's all a lie. And so this is where people kind of go from the perspective of, well,

• 2:27:48Speaker 06

  look at what's happening with this recent UFO disclosure conversation circa 2017 to present day. It's very threatening, very national security orientated, very, you know, unknown objects shadowing Navy carrier strike groups in the ocean, going over buzzing nuclear, sensitive nuclear facilities, turning them on at will. It's all very threatening. And so, you know, you could be forgiven for saying, okay, well, it seems like they're building that narrative towards that outcome, towards that end game. And I don't think it's so black and white. I think there's a whole ecosystem of intelligence around us and some of it could be malevolent, some of it could be benevolent, some of it could be neutral. I, I don't think using the spear of the military industrial complex is the best research tool for ufology.

• 2:28:32Speaker 06

  You know, it seems a bad way to go, you know, should be scientific. Where's the contact stuff? Where's all the?

• 2:28:38Danny Jones?

  Well, that's where they get the money though.

• 2:28:39Speaker 06

  Flashing lights and like, seriously though, bro, where is it? It's all military, you know?

• 2:28:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:28:43Speaker 06

  Let's get some helicopters with big billboards of lights on them or whatever they want to fucking do, but let's try something real.

• 2:28:49Danny Jones?

  Well, that's the only lens you can, you can logistically look at this stuff through if you want to put the money towards it. Like you can't, you can't justify the money that it costs without putting it in the DOD or the Pentagon.

• 2:28:59Speaker 06

  And that is one of the things people will say is like, well, this is the route. This is the way to do it because you're going to get the, you know, congressional wheels running, the senate wheels running. If, if you invoke national security, fair enough. I get that. Like, you know, that's been said for a number of years now, but we're not actually seeing movement towards any actionable intelligence being revealed. Like it's all just.

• 2:29:17Danny Jones?

  Right, no, I mean, it's, it's all dark.

• 2:29:20Speaker 06

  We haven't gone very far. Yeah. And so that's why I'm kind of like, it feels more, it feels less about revealing information and more about engineering the narrative around that information. Cause not much has been revealed, but a lot of narratives come out, you know, in a very particular skewed direction. And so I'm just like very suspicious of like, you know, people like Lou and these guys and, uh, you know, like I, I do think that Greer, and this is something that I've said before as well, even though I, I don't believe everything he says or think that he's some sort of, you know, pedestal of truth in the subject. He was absolutely kicking down the doors more than anyone else. And he was getting, you know, like these huge Netflix documentaries out there. He was starting the conversation, jump starting the conversation again.

• 2:30:02Speaker 06

  And now who's doing the conversation? Well, it's the American government in association with Lou and all these guys, right?

• 2:30:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's like all these, all these senators trying to like play the popular game on podcasts.

• 2:30:13Speaker 06

  Absolutely. Well, they're punching their ticket on their voter base as well, right? They're trying to do what they're gonna do.

• 2:30:18Danny Jones?

  To the podcast bros.

• 2:30:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. And they are, and they're doing their best. But, you know, you look at someone like Greer. Greer kind of got left in the sidelines when TTS A came into the equation to the Stars Academy. And it really feels to me, especially because some of the people in TTS A were taken from Greer's team. People that were originally working with Greer moved over, including Gary Nolan, right? Atakama humanoid.

• 2:30:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:30:40Speaker 06

  Remember that? Yeah. Remember how he said it was a, a malformed child? He said it was, it was a human, it was a hundred percent a human. He said that the day before the premiere of Greer's documentary. So he just kneecapped that documentary. Then about a year later, he's on stage saying he doesn't want to be definitive about what it is.

• 2:30:59Danny Jones?

  Nolan said this?

• 2:31:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So initially, the day before the premiere, he says it's human, destroys the documentary. A year later, essentially, give or take, he's on stage saying he doesn't want to be definitive about what it is. So thanks for kneecapping my documentary when you don't actually know what it is. That's how I'd feel if I was Greer, right? Sitting there like, dude, you literally said it was human and now you're saying, oh, I don't want to be definitive. And then he moves over to Two Stars Academy, including what other people. Yeah, no, dude, I'm telling you right now, right? That Greer might not be correct, but he was causing the biggest population growth in ufology, bursting out into the mainstream Netflix documentaries, trending number one for like literally months, right? Unacknowledged, went massive, millions of people saw it.

• 2:31:41Speaker 06

  So I think that when you're looking at the national security state and the people within it, Lou and these guys before they were public, going like, you know, what do we do about this guy? He's getting so many people not only involved and interested in ufology, but he's presenting it in, this is a criminal cover up and it has been a crime against humanity for a hundred years. You know, the technology's been held back from us. These are illegal, un-congressional programs. They need to be like, this is dangerous, right? Like this is like pitchfork moment for like, if enough people get riled up, what do we do about that? Like we're, we're spooks, we're spies. Like what do we do? We can't, we can't go on Netflix documentaries. Well, thank God a rock star decided to walk in, right? To the national security architecture.

• 2:32:22Speaker 06

  Thank God Tom DeLonge just waltzed into Lockheed Martin, which is what he did. Do you know the story about that? Like how this.

• 2:32:27Danny Jones?

  How it happened? No.

• 2:32:29Speaker 06

  So, so Tom's always been obsessed with UFOs. He's a UFO guy, Blink 182 rock star. Obviously has the money to gain contacts and connections. So he had people within his roster before he was a UFO dude, like publicly. And he spoke about this in, in an interview. I want to say it was like a fade to black interview, 2015, 2016. And, uh, he talked about how a friend of his in Lockheed Martin called him up and said, hey, we're having a family and friends meet and greet at Lockheed. Uh, would you like to come and introduce the bosses onto the stage? And we, you know, we'd love to have you as like this kind of guest appearance.

• 2:33:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:01Speaker 06

  And at this point, he'd already formulated to the Stars Academy in his mind. He had this idea. Yeah. And suddenly this olive branch kind of got presented to him by the Lockheed guys. He's like, I will, but I want 10 minutes with your bosses afterwards.

• 2:33:14Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:33:14Speaker 06

  And he was like, okay, all right, I'll see if they all agree. They agree. You coming? Great. All right. So he turns up, he, he goes to this family and friends meet and greet, introduces the bosses onto the stage. And then he gets taken into, you know, a room. Of course, he has to go through what he describes as corridors with white noise playing and armed guards, like layers of security and all this kind of stuff until he's eventually in a room with the leadership of Lockheed, Skunk Works, all these guys, right? And he presents to them at this point, to the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. He even goes in quite a level of detail in his interview about how he's like, I know you guys are struggling. Like, I know you don't know how to present this and I know that it's not all your fault.

• 2:33:57Speaker 06

  And he was kind of being very kind of sympathetic to their need for secrecy.

• 2:34:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:34:02Speaker 06

  And he was kind of being very confident about it, saying, I know certain things, like I know what you're dealing with and what are some of the conversations you feel you can't have? Let me help you. Let me be the conduit through which you can tell the public. And this is how Two Stars Academy happened. Suddenly he's connected to Lou Elizondo, Christopher Mellon, Gary Nolan, Hal Putoff, Eric Davis, Jim Semivan, all of these different people out of the national security architecture just pour into Two Stars Academy. Suddenly the New York Times gets activated out of fucking nowhere, right? Leslie Kane, Ralph Blumenthal, 2017 Tic Tac Navy. Videos come out, released through Christopher Mellon, like bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. The ball's just rolling suddenly so fast.

• 2:34:43Speaker 06

  Greer is left in the shadows. Two Stars Academy is now the spearhead of disclosure. And that's been the case from here on out, right? TTS A might have fallen away, but this was the initial, uh, lily pad through which they jumped into the public, started with TTS A.

• 2:34:57Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 2:34:58Speaker 06

  And then they moved into various things, you know, throughout that. And TTS A is pretty weird as well, because they're trying to get their share, uh, shareholders to invest in the company, promising to release an electrogravitic platform. Like they had that UFO concept that they had on their website that they were going to build one day and selling a lot of fake, you know, fake stuff. But yeah, like this whole thing started with TTS A, but I truly think if you take it a little bit further back, TTS A was a response to Greer. Here's this rogue guy out there just laying out this really controversial narrative that's going to piss people off. And we don't have a way of doing anything. And then suddenly a rock star with all the influence you need comes in and he didn't, and he says this himself. He said, I went there to be of service. You've got to approach these people as if you want to be of service.

• 2:35:43Speaker 06

  And I said, like, you know, I, I'm, you, you, this is your situation. Just use me as the channel through. So he basically just went into the lion's den and was like, use me. Use me. And it's like, oh, thank God. Like, this is the only way that we can actually change the narrative. Boom, narrative change, right?

• 2:35:59Danny Jones?

  Bonkers.

• 2:36:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, this is what happened. They infiltrated the whole subject because it was getting out of control. And someone was gonna go viral with some stuff that was gonna get them in trouble. And was gonna cause audits in the wrong places, probes in the wrong places. Now they can control the narrative. Fuck the Atakami humanoid, that's way too early. Even the Nazcomami stuff, they're very resistant about that, that's why I'm a bit suspicious. Gary Nolan was very resistant about the Nazcomami stuff. So I feel like they've got an agenda and a step-by-step process of what they wanna release, how they wanna release it, how they wanna package it. And yeah, Greer was certainly not a part of that packaging. Now again, I don't think Greer is some sort of like shining light of truth.

• 2:36:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:36:37Speaker 06

  But if you just observe the chronology of what was happening, what I've said is objectively true.

• 2:36:42Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah, it's a, it's just a horned nest of truth and disinformation and misinformation. And, you know, people, like we said earlier, people trying to make money. But like, you know, again, like, one of the things that should basically tell you that all of this whole quote-unquote disclosure thing is bullshit is that the guy James Clapper is like one of the main people behind it.

• 2:37:02Speaker 06

  Let's all just praise Clapper all of a sudden.

• 2:37:04Danny Jones?

  You know, yeah, like one of the biggest liars in the history of the government.

• 2:37:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, again, I mean, and yeah, and it was the other one that like Kurt Metzger was like laughing over and like Schumer, was it Chuck Schumer?

• 2:37:15Danny Jones?

  Oh, maybe.

• 2:37:16Speaker 06

  Oh, like, yeah, like finally disclosure, we trust Schumer. And it's just like, you know, like finally he's like, you know, reliable. And it's just funny, cause yeah, we're being told to suddenly trust people that objectively have a receipt track record of not being trustworthy. You know? And then it's like Lou Elizondo, like I brought this up on Joe Rogan, the dude has shown multiple images to the public that have been debunked in less than 24 hours.

• 2:37:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:37Speaker 06

  He even held one up in a congressional setting. The, the fields, right, the two fields. Oh, it's a UFO hovering over. No, it's not. Like 100% proven not to be, within less than 24 hours. And it's just like, what is this guy? Even, even from the angle of like, oh, he's a counterintelligence agent that's been sent in to disrupt the narrative. It's like, but he's an idiot. Like, I mean, you, that's not, um, like, I am suspicious of him and I don't know what his true agenda is. But I don't, I don't think he's even been sent with some like official mission like that because you're screwing it up, bro. Like, you know, getting debunked over and over again, like this is not intelligent behavior.

• 2:38:14Danny Jones?

  Well, he might, he might, it might have been something initially where he actually had some sort of a task to muddy the water or something. But it's possible that now he's been like let go and now he's just trying to sell books.

• 2:38:24Speaker 06

  Just drifting and trying to sell a bit of, yeah, I think so. I think a lot of these guys have either been given some level of official narrative engineering, kind of, you know, operation or mission. Or they're just trying to make a fast buck, or maybe both at the same time, you know? Kill two birds with one stone. If I'm gonna be a propagandist, I might as well get rich.

• 2:38:42Danny Jones?

  Right, exactly. One of the craziest things, though, that like goes to tell you, I mean, bar, you know, without even mentioning all the money that's gone missing from the Pentagon, like the trillions of dollars, the black budget that Rumsfeld talked about before nine 11.

• 2:38:55Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 2:38:55Danny Jones?

  Like that probably, you know, people like Catherine Fitz, who followed the money, say that that probably all went to like black budgets before, you know, cause they couldn't disclose any of it and they needed a place to launder it and they probably got Epstein to launder it.

• 2:39:06Speaker 06

  I think it was, I think it was laundered through the Middle East invasion, which cost about 2.3 trillion.

• 2:39:11Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:39:12Speaker 06

  It was, it was an equitable amount. So it's like, yeah, they probably honestly laundered a whole bunch of that through the military industrial complex via the Middle East invasion.

• 2:39:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's possible.

• 2:39:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:39:21Danny Jones?

  But like the story of that guy who hacked NASA, the Gary McKinnon guy.

• 2:39:24Speaker 06

  Gary McKinnon, UK guy.

• 2:39:25Danny Jones?

  Allegedly, you know, he doesn't have any proof of it, but he just tells the story about how he hacked it. And he saw this thing, the cigar shaped object.

• 2:39:32Speaker 06

  Image slowly rendering and it became this like cigar.

• 2:39:35Danny Jones?

  I would think nothing of that. I would think that guy's full of shit unless you, you know, actually come to learn that it was one of the US's most aggressive extradition campaigns since Julian Assange.

• 2:39:44Speaker 06

  Margaret Thatcher fought hard to get him kept in the UK. Like, you know?

• 2:39:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, like it was a whole thing.

• 2:39:50Danny Jones?

  So they were trying to put him in prison for like life.

• 2:39:53Speaker 06

  In the fucking dungeon forever, bro. So like that says everything. I mean, hacking NASA, you know, he might have, you could say he just hacked NASA, maybe he made up the story about UFOs. So obviously any conventional hacking of NASA is gonna get you in serious trouble. But I actually, I've listened, you know, I've listened to him. I don't think he's lying. I don't personally, my, my meeting with him doesn't go off too heavily. So, you know, I'm willing to believe that he did see some images of things that were weird, for sure. You know, NASA's covered up a lot of stuff. There's that woman Donna Hare. She was one of the witnesses for Greer back in the 2001 press conference.

• 2:40:22Danny Jones?

  She was the one who worked at that building that he tried to hack, right?

• 2:40:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, I think, I think so. And she was the one that said that they were airbrushing UFOs out of images, like, you know, before they went to the public. Another very interesting witness that he had was Carl Wolf. You remember Carl Wolf?

• 2:40:36Danny Jones?

  Was that the moon guy?

• 2:40:37Speaker 06

  That was the moon guy.

• 2:40:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so there was shit on the backside of the moon.

• 2:40:40Speaker 06

  You know, he, he, he seemed like a sweet man. He seemed sincere, man, like, like actually genuinely sincere, like, I don't know, like maybe he wasn't, but truthfully, when I heard his testimony and the way he was talking, it sounded like a guy that was really nervous about what he had been exposed to and he shouldn't have been exposed to. So he, he was like a really quite high classified access tech nerd, right? Like a computer hacker and like one of these guys. And he was sent to a NASA facility or it was either NSA or a NASA facility. He said it was very strange when he arrived there because there was a lot of international people, which is not normal. And so he was like, you know, there was like Chinese and Korean, there was all sorts of different people there, which he found to be quite strange.

• 2:41:21Speaker 06

  And he was, he was there to repair something in the photograph laboratory, right? So like the red room kind of place. And he was in there with a, like, another, like, like a private, like some low-level private who was just guarding whatever it was. And he said that this guy looked agitated and seemed a bit weird. And when the CEO left to do something, this private said to him, by the way, we found a base on the moon. And he was like, what do you mean? He was like, and he said he immediately thought Russian or Chinese or something like that. And the guy like pulled out this mosaic from like the drawer and showed him. And he said that there were like towering spires and what looked like satellite arrays and huge structures.

• 2:42:06Speaker 06

  And he, he said, I immediately knew that I was not supposed to be seeing this. And I became, you know, quite frightened because I knew he, he was not supposed to be showing me this.

• 2:42:17Speaker 06

  And it was on the far side of the moon, so.

• 2:42:19Danny Jones?

  Did he say it looked like modern type stuff?

• 2:42:22Speaker 06

  He said spiraling structures, what looked like satellites and domes and, and things. But I don't know if he said modern, but he said satellite arrays and, you know. But he seemed so sincere when he, when he was saying it. And that's all, he didn't, you know, expand into anything else. And then he died and like, I mean, some people say it was weird because he got run off the road when he was on a motorcycle by like a truck or something and, and got killed.

• 2:42:41Danny Jones?

  Not long after that?

• 2:42:42Speaker 06

  It was actually like 12 years after.

• 2:42:44Danny Jones?

  12 years after that?

• 2:42:45Speaker 06

  Some people still like to invoke him being murdered. I don't necessarily think so, you know, things happen. But yeah, I, I think he was a really sincere, like if people wanna look up his longer interviews, Carl Wolf. He, um, yeah, he seemed like a sincere guy. I think there's some weird shit on the moon. I wouldn't be shocked. It's weird that it just continues locked around us like that, you know?

• 2:43:04Danny Jones?

  It is such a weird thing.

• 2:43:07Speaker 06

  You're just gonna stay like this, you know?

• 2:43:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the chances of us having a moon that is like, creates that is exact, that the exact distance between us and the sun where it has that perfect.

• 2:43:19Speaker 06

  It's literally Goldilocks, right? Like just Goldilocks for life, like perfect level.

• 2:43:23Danny Jones?

  All the top astronomers, they, they're not aware of any other planet that has that sort of ratio between its moon and its star.

• 2:43:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, I looked into that. We're the only one that we know of. So there's definitely.

• 2:43:35Danny Jones?

  Something weird about the moon, bro.

• 2:43:37Speaker 06

  Have you seen, there's a, oh, what's the, what's the film called? Have you seen Moonfall?

• 2:43:41Danny Jones?

  Moonfall?

• 2:43:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, Moonfall. It's good, you know, I watched it on a flight. It's kind of about the moon being a megastructure.

• 2:43:47Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:43:47Speaker 06

  Like the, you know, the, finding out the truth of what it really is. And it's a really good film, actually. It's worth watching. It's got that guy from Game of Thrones, the fat one.

• 2:43:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:43:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, the one that's on the watch.

• 2:43:57Danny Jones?

  Is it like a documentary type thing or is it a natural movie?

• 2:43:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, sci-fi, yeah, Moonfall, definitely worth a watch. Just cause like, you know, sometimes they sprinkle a little hint through Hollywood and I thought it was quite well put together, actually.

• 2:44:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they do. There's a lot of truth in the Hollywood shit.

• 2:44:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, this guy is like a conspiracy theorist who manages to figure out.

• 2:44:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, that guy from Game of Thrones. Yeah, he's great.

• 2:44:16Speaker 06

  He figures out, it's like, you know, this megastructure and NASA doesn't believe him. And eventually they find out it's true, so they bring him on the team. It's, it's great.

• 2:44:23Danny Jones?

  What do you think the true story is about the Apollo missions?

• 2:44:25Speaker 06

  Oh, man, like I, you know, I, I truly do think that we were presented with doctored or actually fabricated video and that they did go, but the video, yeah, I mean, it's joke. I mean, it's ridiculous. Some of the stuff that you're seeing and like, you know, the way that they're moving around and it doesn't look real to me at all. The problem with that kind of stuff is it now looks so dated, right? Like at the time, it looked very sophisticated, but now we're like, that looks like a film set and it looks like they're just acting. But yeah, I think they went. I do, I do think they went, but they didn't record it for us, like, you know, whatever actually happened. And, uh, you know, I, it's weird that, you seen the interview with them when they first come back?

• 2:45:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, with the whole. The press conference, yeah.

• 2:45:06Speaker 06

  Weird, right? Like the, their mood, their, their whole demeanor, like deflated and like sad, like they're just kind of like down and depressed and like very like, yeah, it was this, it was that. It's like, you just come back from the fucking moon?

• 2:45:18Danny Jones?

  And then the press conference before, they were very excited.

• 2:45:20Speaker 06

  Right. And then I have to say that one, one of the weird things about it was, one of the journalists asked about like, you know, the stars in the night sky. And I can't remember which one responded, but he said it was just black, that there was no stars. But every other astronaut has said that it's a whole mosaic of stars. So like, and the Van Allen radiation belt and like, you know, like things like that. And there's that NASA astronaut, there's the little video of him going, oh, I'd go back to the moon in a nanosecond. But the problem is that we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again.

• 2:45:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:45:52Speaker 06

  What?

• 2:45:53Danny Jones?

  They accidentally recorded over the tapes.

• 2:45:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, I know. So there's so many weird points with the moon. It's a classic. I, I think that they went, I think they probably have seen things on the moon that they can't explain. I think it's very interesting that amateur astronomers with 4K cameras can now film the moon at pretty high resolution. There are some weird amateur videos out there, you know, of little objects moving out of craters and, you know, there's movement. There seems to be movement. I don't think they're all fake videos. There's some very compelling videos from just amateurs online, literally filming, you know, with a 4K camera through a telescope, a very high-powered telescope. You can get really good footage of the craters now, you know? It's gonna get to the point, I think, where people will just objectively see that shit's going on and maybe we'll have to talk about it.

• 2:46:37Danny Jones?

  I wanna know how they, if they did go, I wanna know how they actually went.

• 2:46:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, like through the radiation and everything?

• 2:46:42Danny Jones?

  How'd they get through the radiation belts? How'd they, how'd they do it on the first try?

• 2:46:47Speaker 06

  Maybe they had classified alloys and materials and ceramics that they don't disclose to us, like, you know, they have them now. I used to say they didn't have some, you know, very classified material that they didn't disclose. And it's like, oh yeah, no, we can't build the technology back now because we can never show you publicly what we actually used to get up there. But, you know, here's the Apollo toy that, you know, with this heat shielding, that's how we got up there. I doubt it. I doubt it. I'm sure there was some other methodology deployed. Cause at the same time, we're talking like, you know. Less computational power than what's in my

• 2:47:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:47:19Speaker 06

  Phone for the entire mission.

• 2:47:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:22Speaker 06

  I have my doubts about the conventional story of how I got there is what I'm saying.

• 2:47:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:47:27Speaker 06

  You know?

• 2:47:28Danny Jones?

  And, you know, the film made it back.

• 2:47:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:47:30Danny Jones?

  And, and how did the film not get damaged going through that radiation, you know?

• 2:47:34Speaker 06

  Also, the geopolitical importance of beating Russia. Yeah, that can't be dismissed because this was incredibly important. Sputnik was now in the sky. We need to do something and the Russians are gonna get there first. We better get there first, like, you know, like the idea that this was a propaganda piece because we had to beat the Russians shouldn't be dismissed as a possibility.

• 2:47:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:47:56Speaker 06

  You know?

• 2:47:56Danny Jones?

  Right, and it was right in the middle, right in the middle of JFK getting whacked.

• 2:48:00Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 2:48:00Danny Jones?

  Watergate, the Gulf of Tonkin.

• 2:48:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:48:02Danny Jones?

  MKUltra was happening.

• 2:48:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:48:04Danny Jones?

  Like, that is the most batshit crazy period in American history.

• 2:48:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, like, you know, we've got some pretty crazy times right now, but that one's in competition for sure.

• 2:48:14Danny Jones?

  Competition.

• 2:48:15Speaker 06

  You know, the whole like.

• 2:48:16Danny Jones?

  Imagine if you had social media during those days.

• 2:48:17Speaker 06

  Oh, my God, yeah, like a hundred percent. You know, the Marilyn Monroe thing with her and JFK and the released cable where it was talking about a wiretap on her?

• 2:48:26Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:48:27Speaker 06

  Oh, dude, that's a fascinating little document because the CIA document, I mean, it's disputed. The CIA claims it's a hoax document, but it's actually a very compelling and a lot of people would say it's a real document of a wiretap on Marilyn Monroe because she was having an affair with the JFK brothers, right? She was, she was sleeping with both of them and she was apparently going to organize a tell all conference, talking about information arising from her trysts with the Kennedy brothers, as is like said in the, in the document, about aliens and space and things on the moon. And it was like a whole thing about various things that she was gonna say.

• 2:49:05Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:49:05Speaker 06

  And it was, the wiretap, this document was produced 24 hours or 48 hours before she died of a drug overdose in her apartment.

• 2:49:17Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 2:49:18Speaker 06

  Yeah. And what's very interesting about that document is I did a little video on this. I actually connected it to a program.

• 2:49:27Speaker 06

  God, what was the name, man? It's like a PowerPoint presentation, there's so many goddamn PowerPoint presentations in my head, trying to remember all these.

• 2:49:33Danny Jones?

  Look up the Marilyn Monroe document.

• 2:49:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, Marilyn Monroe document, but I'm, Moondust, Moondust.

• 2:49:38Danny Jones?

  Moondust document?

• 2:49:39Speaker 06

  No, no, I'm just thinking, I'm talking out loud right now.

• 2:49:41Danny Jones?

  Okay, okay.

• 2:49:42Speaker 06

  But the Marilyn Monroe Kilgarlin wiretap document is, you know, again disputed. But what's very interesting about it is I went down another separate rabbit hole, which then connected me to that document. And I was like, oh shit, this might actually make it like undeniable that it's real. So I found a project, a program called Moondust that started in, I want to say, the 1950s. And there was a series of programs connected to it, Operation Bluefly and Operation UFO, like literally just UFO, but they fell underneath this Moondust program. And it seems like Moondust might have been one of the first recovery and technological exploitation attempts, potentially bleeding into the UFO world.

• 2:50:21Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:50:22Speaker 06

  Conventionally presented by the government as a Russian and kind of foreign technology exploitation program. But underneath it, it included UFO as a category of interest. And then I'd seen this Kilgarlin Marilyn Monroe document years ago. I never noticed on that document, it says Moondust. It has Moondust printed onto it as a project, it says P R O J, Prog, colon, Moondust.

• 2:50:47Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 2:50:47Speaker 06

  And I was just like, no, if you can find the document, bro, the actual Marilyn Monroe one, I think there's like actually an image on the Reddit, like just on the right hand side.

• 2:50:54Danny Jones?

  Why does Google AI always have to go with the CIA and they can never know, go against the CIA?

• 2:51:01Speaker 04

  CIA controls it.

• 2:51:03Speaker 06

  Moondust.

• 2:51:04Danny Jones?

  Oh, wait, punch in on that picture, picture, Steveo?

• 2:51:11Speaker 04

  Looks like Arabic.

• 2:51:11Speaker 06

  Go up slightly, there you go, Moondust.

• 2:51:13Speaker 04

  Oh, look at that.

• 2:51:14Speaker 06

  Moondust.

• 2:51:14Speaker 04

  Right there.

• 2:51:15Danny Jones?

  August 3rd, 1962.

• 2:51:18Speaker 06

  Dude, I got so excited because this was a separate research thing. I was just jumping down this Moondust rabbit hole going, oh, there's like a doc.

• 2:51:23Danny Jones?

  Moondust project.

• 2:51:24Speaker 06

  Look up Moondust, it's a real documented project that involves technological exploitation of foreign technologies, right? And this was a serious project that came out of the same Roswell squadron that was doing all of the UFO investigation for Blue Book. So this is a hundred percent public conventional cover covert Cold War technological exploitation, something underneath that. And the fact that Moondust is printed on a cable wiretap document about a UFO tell all conference from Marilyn Monroe, 48 hours before she dies of a drug overdose is wild.

• 2:51:56Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:51:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:51:58Danny Jones?

  Primary mission to locate, recover, exploit fallen or de-orbited foreign space debris, satellites and aerospace hardware.

• 2:52:06Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 2:52:07Danny Jones?

  Such as Soviet block spacecraft and rocket fragments that re-entered Earth's atmosphere. Formerly established around 1961. Okay, ask it this, what's the date this document came out?

• 2:52:29Danny Jones?

  There's no single Project Moondust document.

• 2:52:32Speaker 06

  I did a video deep dive on.

• 2:52:33Danny Jones?

  But rather a collection of different declassified military and intelligence records that have been released in waves over the decades via Freedom of Information Act.

• 2:52:42Speaker 06

  Bro.

• 2:52:42Danny Jones?

  The timeline of the most prominent documents is November 3rd, 1961, the date of the original foundational Air Force letter, the official established the roles of the intelligence team supporting projects like Moondust, November 3rd, 1961.

• 2:52:56Speaker 06

  If you go on my YouTube channel real quick, it's not even that far off the uploads I did recently and just the intro, because I'll, I'll just do like a quick flash intro of like the various. Yeah, dude, so just go down, keep going down.

• 2:53:11Speaker 06

  Sorry, go back up, I found the UFO legacy program evidence everyone missed. Gotta use those flashy titles.

• 2:53:16Danny Jones?

  Is it in the intro?

• 2:53:17Speaker 06

  I always roll my eyes at my own titles. Yeah, it's just the intro, I'll just show you like a kind of flash of like the various documents I found.

• 2:53:29Danny Jones?

  Full screen, this to you.

• 2:53:33Danny Jones?

  Buffering, do we have wifi here?

• 2:53:34Speaker 06

  I found a trio of legacy programs from the Cold War era that provide the most tangible, publicly available evidence for a legacy UFO retrieval and material exploitation effort that was hidden underneath conventional Cold War operations, the retrieving of unidentified flying object debris in the Congo. Explicitly stated in declassified documents, even tying into the death of Marilyn Monroe and her connection to the Kennedy brothers. This is a smoking gun for the UFO community. I'm talking about Project Moondust and Operation Bluefly. Yeah, that's like, just, just give people an idea, these things connected together to this Marilyn Monroe document.

• 2:54:19Speaker 06

  And I just find that very interesting because it's always been a contentious document, like, oh, is it real, is it not? The fact that that project name, which was completely unknown at the time, like still classified at the time of the release of that Kilgarlin document, that to me is very interesting because how could people even know to invoke Moondust as like a conspiracy thing? It wasn't revealed at that time. So.

• 2:54:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:54:38Speaker 06

  How is it on there if it's fake?

• 2:54:40Danny Jones?

  What was the date Marilyn Monroe's death?

• 2:54:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, I swear it was like literally within a couple of days of this wiretap, man. Because Greer is, to be fair, Greer is actually the one that first made me aware of it, is in his unacknowledged documentary, he brings up this Monroe document and highlights it. But I'd never seen, didn't see the Moondust thing.

• 2:54:58Speaker 04

  1962.

• 2:54:59Speaker 06

  Right, 1962.

• 2:55:00Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:55:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, it seems like she, it seems like she was genuinely getting very deep into a world that she didn't understand with the president and, and the brother. And, and she was going to say everything that she felt was needed to be said and she died, you know, I'm pretty sure they killed her.

• 2:55:19Danny Jones?

  Have you heard of the connection between Sharon Tate and the aerospace UFO stuff?

• 2:55:26Speaker 06

  Oh, actually, no, no, she's the one that got killed by the.

• 2:55:29Danny Jones?

  By Charles Manson's followers.

• 2:55:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:55:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:32Speaker 06

  No, I don't know that.

• 2:55:33Danny Jones?

  On Cielo Drive. So the, her, apparently her dad was like a general who was connected very closely with one of like the top guys at, I want to say like, was it Wright Field?

• 2:55:49Speaker 06

  One of the classics, Dayton, Ohio, or like.

• 2:55:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:52Speaker 06

  Wright Patterson.

• 2:55:53Danny Jones?

  Wright Patterson, Wright Patterson Air Force Base, who was allegedly connected to some like black project stuff.

• 2:55:58Speaker 06

  Oh, man, okay.

• 2:56:00Danny Jones?

  I don't, I'm, I'm horrible, I don't remember all the details of it, but Walter Bosley was telling us about, about this connection and like allegedly, I don't know, there's some weird deep connection.

• 2:56:11Speaker 06

  Was it strange scenes in Laurel Canyon or something like that book? Or is it like weird scenes in Laurel Canyon?

• 2:56:16Danny Jones?

  I think so.

• 2:56:17Speaker 06

  Weird connections between like, you know, military and intelligence and the celebrities and.

• 2:56:21Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:56:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:56:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:23Speaker 06

  Some part of this before. But I've never deep dived into it, but I mean, Charles Manson is another rabbit hole to kind of go down, like what he's all about and, you know, who he was actually connected to.

• 2:56:33Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:56:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:56:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the whole Charles Manson stories, I actually, I was just at this museum in Vegas.

• 2:56:38Speaker 06

  Oh, cool.

• 2:56:39Danny Jones?

  And they have the ashes of Charles Manson.

• 2:56:41Speaker 06

  What?

• 2:56:42Danny Jones?

  And he has like the, the robe or the, like the gown, the hospital gown that he had to wear when they killed him. And there's like blood and like shit stains on it from when he died, like they kept it, like this guy, this guy who owns this museum, he just buys all this crazy shit and puts it in his museum. And it's like, he's got the most haunted object on earth, it's called the Dibbik box.

• 2:57:04Speaker 06

  I think I've heard of that.

• 2:57:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:57:06Danny Jones?

  It's supposedly the most haunted object on earth and apparently it has this like ancient Israeli.

• 2:57:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, Dibbik's a Jewish demon.

• 2:57:12Danny Jones?

  Jewish demon inside of it, yeah, Holocaust victim or something like that.

• 2:57:15Speaker 06

  Who is that fucking guy? Who was it that just suddenly popped into my brain, super elite?

• 2:57:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's the Dibbik box.

• 2:57:23Speaker 06

  Oh, who was it? Who's the guy connected to Webster? Who ran Victoria's Secret?

• 2:57:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, Les Wexner?

• 2:57:28Speaker 06

  Les Wexner.

• 2:57:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:29Speaker 06

  Pretty sure it was Les Wexner, there's like a piece on him, like a Times piece, like a finance.

• 2:57:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, I've seen that.

• 2:57:33Speaker 06

  Where he says he's controlled by a Dibbik.

• 2:57:36Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:57:37Speaker 06

  He says he's controlled.

• 2:57:38Danny Jones?

  He did say Dibbik.

• 2:57:39Speaker 06

  He says he's controlled by a Dibbik, bro.

• 2:57:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So what is the actual, what, explain, what, what actually is the story of what's in this dibic box? So Post Malone went here and he accidentally touched the thing.

• 2:57:52Speaker 06

  Oh shit.

• 2:57:53Danny Jones?

  And, and then immediately afterwards, like within 30 days afterwards, his jet almost crashed.

• 2:57:59Speaker 06

  Oh my God.

• 2:57:59Danny Jones?

  He got T-boned in his Rolls Royce and his house got burglarized while he was in it.

• 2:58:03Speaker 06

  God, dude.

• 2:58:05Danny Jones?

  Inside the dibic box is a vintage wine cabinet. Um, but what is the story?

• 2:58:12Speaker 06

  Background and context.

• 2:58:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The hoax. Oh, the hoax. They're calling it the hoax. Uh, the entire backstory of the malicious Jewish spirit trapped inside this antique cabinet.

• 2:58:21Speaker 06

  It's always a hoax.

• 2:58:21Danny Jones?

  Was revealed to be fictional creative writing project and a hoax fabricated by this guy. The traditional folklore, um, is the actual Jewish folklore. A dibic is a restless or disembodied soul that clings to a living person rather than an inanimate object. And traditional belief does not include trapping of spirits inside wine boxes.

• 2:58:41Speaker 06

  Well, that, that makes more sense for Les Wexner invoking his dibic as part of the, uh, he, he says he's grateful for it. Or he's, he's like, it helps me or like, you know, I have a part of me that's a dibic.

• 2:58:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:53Speaker 06

  Okay, Les Wexner. All right, buddy.

• 2:58:55Danny Jones?

  That tracks.

• 2:58:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, that tracks. That tracks. No, no arrest for him though, hey? No arrest. He's still out there.

• 2:59:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:01Speaker 06

  Still out there doing his thing.

• 2:59:02Danny Jones?

  No, he's fine.

• 2:59:02Speaker 06

  Dibicking around.

• 2:59:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he's fine.

• 2:59:04Speaker 06

  No problem. Yeah. No arrests at all.

• 2:59:08Danny Jones?

  Nope. In fact, people like Howard Lenz are gonna remain, uh, remain in power and in the presidential administration, even though they were just caught outright lying about their whole connection to Epstein and all that.

• 2:59:18Speaker 06

  I, I can understand why people say, oh, you know, the UFO subject and other things are just a distraction from stuff like that. Like, in all honesty, I would prefer disclosure on, on that.

• 2:59:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 2:59:28Speaker 06

  Before UFOs. I think we need to get our humanity back before we think about extending humanity out. So maybe we need to actually look at things like the corruption and poison closer to home. Sort of thinking about space aliens for a bit.

• 2:59:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:40Speaker 06

  You know, I think that's more important.

• 2:59:42Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:59:42Speaker 06

  Then we can talk about other things. But yeah.

• 2:59:44Danny Jones?

  The bankers that run the world.

• 2:59:45Speaker 06

  Fucking scares me though, bro. Like, you know, I've, I've dived down into that world a little bit and like, you know, kind of dipped my toes in. And then I'm like, it's a way to die, isn't it? It's a good way to vanish real fast. Like, cause this is real. And not that the UFO subject isn't real. Of course it is. And there's like threads of reality in it. But this is like the beating heart of the corruption.

• 3:00:05Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:00:05Speaker 06

  Like this is the active way that they keep power, blackmailing each other, you know, all of this. You keep tugging on that thread, you're gonna die.

• 3:00:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:13Speaker 06

  You know, and a lot of people have.

• 3:00:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:00:15Speaker 06

  You know, some famous people as well. Some pretty well-known people have died. One hundred percent.

• 3:00:19Danny Jones?

  And not just, not just people who try to expose it, but like people, like hundreds and thousands of people in other countries because of all the wars that these people start.

• 3:00:26Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:00:27Danny Jones?

  And they're just profiting off these things.

• 3:00:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. It's a very, it's, it's.

• 3:00:31Danny Jones?

  These are the most evil people that exist in the world.

• 3:00:33Speaker 06

  Like if you wanna believe in demons, then there's the best example of it. Like that's demonic behavior to me. And so like, you know, I've, I've gone down that path and, you know, one of the weirdest things that I've ever seen, well, I've seen a lot of weird stuff, but one of the weirdest things I've been exposed to, um, have you ever heard of a guy called Mouthy Buddha?

• 3:00:51Danny Jones?

  No.

• 3:00:51Speaker 06

  He was a very, very good researcher who started focusing on pizza gates and all of that kind of stuff, right? And a bit like Stephen Greer, he was the one guy that was getting like two, three million, four million views on his YouTube videos where he was doing deep dives into pizza gate, but real deep dives. Actual, not bullshit QAnon conspiracy, but linking together disturbing connections between very powerful people.

• 3:01:16Speaker 00

  Welcome to the 50th Hunger Games.

• 3:01:18Speaker 01

  Witness the beginning of the revolution.

• 3:01:20Speaker 02

  Hey Mitch, you've been trying to take down these games from the start.

• 3:01:23Speaker 01

  Filmed for IMAX.

• 3:01:24Speaker 02

  Make them remember you.

• 3:01:27Speaker 01

  The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Reaping, November 20th, rated PG-13.

• 3:01:31Speaker 07

  Priceline Negotiator. It's me, the. Priceline Negotiator. We don't need the jingle twice. What about a third time? Stop it. This is about vacation inflation and how Priceline negotiates amazing deals on hotels, flights and rental cars. Seems like they just started. Yeah, but I didn't mention that you can save up to 60% off hotels in the Priceline app. Time to read the timeline. Fine. No one deals more deals than. Priceline. Please stop. Priceline. Touche. Priceline.

• 3:02:01Speaker 06

  Who was still alive, still powerful, still active. And, you know, he was gaining traction. Once he did like a two-part piece on Tom Hanks and a couple of others that got like, you know, three, four million views. He lost his YouTube, he lost his Twitter, like all of his major platforms went down. Um, I also, I also discovered that I couldn't send his links to videos and DMs on X for a while. At the height of him being deplatformed, the, the links just died. Like, literally just died, failed to send every time, but other ones didn't. Um, he got completely deplatformed. He's still kind of active, but this is the weird part of the story.

• 3:02:39Speaker 06

  He got deplatformed. He's operational on BitChute, right? So he's got videos on BitChute. You can still find the Tom Hanks videos, the, um, it's, it's called Pedo Gate. His videos are called Pedo Gate, not Pizza Gate. And they're very good. Uh, but I got him on for an interview. I wanted to talk to Mouthy Buddha. I was a fan of these things.

• 3:02:56Danny Jones?

  Mouthy?

• 3:02:57Speaker 06

  Mouthy Buddha. Mouthy, like Mouthy.

• 3:02:59Danny Jones?

  Spell the last name?

• 3:03:01Speaker 06

  Buddha. B U D D H A.

• 3:03:02Danny Jones?

  B U D D H A.

• 3:03:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, like the Holy Buddha. Uh, Mouthy Buddha. And so like he, um, I, I, I had him, I had him on Signal, like I had his contact on Signal from like a, a couple of years back when I'd first reached out and established a level of communication. Just to say like, dude, massive fan of your stuff. Like, you know, you're crushing it. This is crazy what you're finding. Anyway, I reached out for an interview and, uh, I had him on. Audio only, cause he's never showed his face. No one knows his like name, I don't believe. Um, so we had like a, you know, just faceless interview. And whoever I talked to was not Mouthy Buddha. Like, I, I, it sounded like Mouthy Buddha, sounded like the guy's voice from the narration.

• 3:03:43Speaker 06

  But he was now a complete Christian Bible basher zealot who contradicted everything he was saying previously, said it wasn't true. Uh, said, said, no, no, like every time I was like, but hang on a second, man. Like you've done, um, you've done deep dives onto like the Catholic church and like the elements like, no, no, no, no, like this is, no, no. Uh, please, I would like to lead you in a prayer. I just wanna lead you in a prayer. And that's all he wanted to do was pray to me and like talk to me about Christ and talk about parables and a Bible quote, like fully just like a. That's all he wanted to do. He was a radical Christian. He wasn't that, when he, dude, I genuinely worried about Mouthy Buddha, like for real, like PSA, like I'm worried about Mouthy Buddha.

• 3:04:26Speaker 06

  Because this guy was like fully at the tip of the spear of like finding out things that concern me about the apex of power. And now he is completely different. And then he like went on a weird like, like went off on me on X and like saying, oh, he, he was afraid to post the interview. So I responded like, dude, I wasn't afraid. I was genuinely like shocked at who you are now. And I like, you know, quote repo, like it was all public, me saying this and a lot of people like, whoa.

• 3:04:53Danny Jones?

  You should post it.

• 3:04:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, I should, but I, I, it's, yes, I, hopefully it's still there on Riverside. Should be.

• 3:04:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 3:04:59Speaker 06

  Uh, in, in the digital archive. Cause I, I actually hung up on him. Like I was like, I can't.

• 3:05:03Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 3:05:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, I was like, dude, I'm gonna go smoke a joint. I fuck this. Like, I'm not doing this. I'm, I can't sit here and listen to you preach to me about, you know, different parables in the Bible. I hear that enough on my YouTube comments and whatever. Like you just sound like one of those classic people in my YouTube comments who's screaming quotations of the Bible at me as some sort of point. It's like, this is not who you were previously. We're talking articulate, logical, very creative with the editing. Like he was very, very good and very, um, open-minded and, and thinking logically and critically. Not who I met on that interview, dude. So like, you know, that worries me. I feel like that, that to me is like someone who got mind swapped.

• 3:05:40Speaker 06

  I don't know how to explain it. It freaks me out. And so like, I've dipped into that subject and it kind of like, it's like a judgment thing. It's like, you should really, like if we're, if we're aware of it, we really should be pushing on it. But there's like a level of anxiety that creeps up your spine sometimes when you're looking at some of this stuff. Like these are the most powerful people in the world, man.

• 3:05:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, bro.

• 3:05:59Speaker 06

  Like, gee, really? Are you gonna make a difference or are you just gonna vanish off the map?

• 3:06:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:06:03Speaker 06

  Like everyone else.

• 3:06:04Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:06:04Speaker 06

  You know? It's weird.

• 3:06:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:06:06Speaker 06

  It's scary stuff.

• 3:06:07Danny Jones?

  It is weird. It is. And it's also weird to me how like suddenly you're allowed to say anything you want on X and YouTube and it almost gets pushed more.

• 3:06:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, like elevated.

• 3:06:17Danny Jones?

  Opposite of what it was during COVID.

• 3:06:19Speaker 06

  Amplified, amplified. Especially like, yeah, I mean, like, you know, racism is on the rise for sure. Like real tribalistic kind of, you know, racism is on the rise and extremist opinions, radical political opinions. And that's the most viral, most trending stuff.

• 3:06:35Danny Jones?

  Encouraged a little bit too.

• 3:06:36Speaker 06

  No, that's what I'm saying. The algorithm favors it.

• 3:06:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:06:38Speaker 06

  You know, you, you can tell. I mean, like, do you know what's weird, dude? Is like over the last six months, cause my, my X, I've got, uh, shit, what, like 340,000 followers, something like that. Um, over the last six months, right? Everything has scaled up, likes, reposts, comments, everything's scaled up. But the impressions have gone down like radically. Like I'm looking at posts that I did like a year ago. Whereas like, you know, a thousand likes or like, you know, five hundred reposts, two point three million impressions. I'm looking at ones now are like seven thousand likes. Two point three K reposts, two hundred and fifty thousand impressions. It's like, how does that even make sense? It's like, everything's gone up apart from the like the algorithmic exposure to like the the rest of the world or something. It's very weird. And I feel like.

• 3:07:23Speaker 06

  There is a lot of fuckery going on with the algorithm in terms of what it's prioritizing now. Especially over the last six months to a year, it's really leaned into that political tribalism and especially about my country. You know, every time I come to America, people ask me the same fucking question.

• 3:07:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:07:40Speaker 06

  Is it really as bad?

• 3:07:41Danny Jones?

  Really that crazy in the UK?

• 3:07:43Speaker 06

  As bad. And it's like, no, bro, it's actually not. And people want to talk to me, but maybe because of my accent sometimes or what you think I live in like some thatched cottage castle or something. I live in a council estate. By the way, that is an English word for ghetto. I live in a poor area. I live in a working class town in a poor area. And so you can't tell me that I'm in an ivory tower, that I'm not observing the reality of my country. No, I am. We have problems, of course. There is massive immigration problems. I'm against uncontrolled immigration. I'm not some bleeding heart liberal who's woke and doesn't have any idea how the world works. Like, of course, that's a problem. But it's being amplified and elevated online to levels that are not real. And a lot of the time, you'll see like old videos.

• 3:08:24Speaker 06

  Like I had it out with Alex Jones, like, uh, because he he was posting like a video of like Leeds, a riot in Leeds from like twenty twenty one. And saying immigrants have invaded Leeds. This is happening now. Police can't even control it. It's like, dude, this is a completely fake post. This is an old video.

• 3:08:43Danny Jones?

  You say that to him?

• 3:08:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, I commented like a big thing, like saying like, you know, this is a completely fake post.

• 3:08:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:08:49Speaker 06

  This is an old video from a like a normal riot about something not race related. So there's a lot of, there's so much misinformation.

• 3:08:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:08:56Speaker 06

  What's frustrating to me is there's a real problem, but then the real problem's being inflated to some level online. Where you've kind of got two things happening at once. You've got the liberals who don't believe any of it because it's so ridiculous. You know, the over inflation of it. And then you've got like the other side that truly just believe every element of it and think, oh, so it's completely third world in the UK now. So the actual middle ground nuance, God, can we get nuance again? Can we have nuance instead of tribalism and everything being black and white? And if you have one opinion that goes into the left, that means you're now left. Or if you have one opinion that goes into the right, you're now right. Like, that's so stupid. Can we have a bit of nuance? And the nuance is, yeah, there's problems, but these problems are not being accurately represented online.

• 3:09:37Speaker 06

  Especially by people like Elon Musk. Like, he's out there like quote reposting all this shit that's just like, that's old, that's not true, that's outdated. And so like, why are they doing that? What's the agenda here? What is the reality of it? I think that they want race war. I think they want civilizational collapse in strategic places. And maybe it is like the whole great reset, you know, build back again, like make it all different. The whole globalist agenda. Maybe that really is what's unfolding. I don't know, but it's not natural. It's it's being engineered, it's being pushed. And now with the algorithm and the AI, my God, it's like, you know, hyper accelerated, right? Every day, just post after post, making you more annoyed.

• 3:10:13Danny Jones?

  Keep people distracted. Focus on the culture wars.

• 3:10:15Speaker 06

  Dude, like I have to make a concerted effort, you know, because it's like I'm scrolling through my timeline. I see a post, I'm like, that annoys me. You know, like, oh, I'm getting aggravated. Oh, I'm getting tense. Yeah, no, I agree, actually. Oh, you know, Reform UK. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then it's like, mm, back up, bro, because you're not actually some stupid racist idiot. And I'm not. I've got friends all over the world. I love every color and creed. If you're an asshole, you're an asshole.

• 3:10:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:10:38Speaker 06

  It don't matter what color you are. But, you know, I also don't think that you should just be flooding a country with people that are not respecting that culture and tradition. So like, you know, can we have nuance? Can we not appreciate? Yeah, we want the best and brightest. No, we don't want to be diluted culturally. These are two things that can happen in the same space. We're in a very nuanced, like very black and white polarizing time, man.

• 3:10:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:10:58Speaker 06

  You know, I get accused of being a woke snowflake and a MAGA racist.

• 3:11:03Speaker 06

  Within twenty four hours, you know what I mean? Like within twenty four hours, because I've got nuanced opinions and they're not allowed to exist.

• 3:11:09Danny Jones?

  That's X, that's the social, that's social media for you, man. And a lot of them are fake. A lot, a lot of the biggest shit talkers, you go to their accounts, they have like thirty followers and, you know, there's. They're not real people.

• 3:11:18Speaker 06

  I know. And like, I I kick myself every time I lower myself to the point of actually responding and getting into some spat, you know? Like someone would just annoy me enough. I'm like, now fuck you. And it's just like, well, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. It's just like. It's just fuck yous all the way down, right? Just fractal recursive self similarity. Like, we're we're in trouble. Like, you know, it's an echo chamber. It's it's scary. And you've got to really keep control of your mental health and your cognitive health. And like, I try and take breaks from X and. You know, I I make money on X. There's no way of denying that. That's one of the revenue streams.

• 3:11:50Danny Jones?

  Paid more the more interactions that happen on your post. So it's like more of an incentive for people to do that.

• 3:11:55Speaker 06

  And like, you know, every day I'm posting and like I'm posting things that interest me, but of course, like a part of that is I want it to go viral. I want to make a bit of money. Because that then fuels my documentary filmmaking. Like, it's all like, you know, flowing into what I do creatively. But once you start making money off of it, it's like with YouTube or anything, you know, you you then balance, and I'm sure you know this, like you balance that fine line. Of being genuinely interested and wanting to pursue the things that you love. And also like, oh, well, you know, okay, I'm making money or I want to make a little bit more money or I could make it, you know? And it's like those two energies can sometimes be very contradictory for each other, right? And it's kind of getting that under control and being like, right, well, it's not about money. It's great that that's happening and it's good that I can have opportunities.

• 3:12:37Speaker 06

  But it is about genuinely being curious and wanting to try and get this kind of information out there to people and articulate it.

• 3:12:43Danny Jones?

  Money's the result.

• 3:12:44Speaker 06

  Money's the result.

• 3:12:45Danny Jones?

  Good work.

• 3:12:46Speaker 06

  Uh, yeah. And I think that we live in a weird time and especially with these subjects, I think you've got a lot of people that consider it almost like spiritually. Uh, corrupting if you're suddenly making money on UFOs and stuff like that. And it's because we have so many grifters. Like, everyone is suspicious and they and they should be. So once you start making money, you start, I mean, I get them all the time. People think I'm a grifter. They call me a grifter. They call me a piece of shit, whatever, you know, like, it happens. Once you start scaling up, I'm sure you have your haters as well, right? People that want to throw all their arrows at you. And it's hard to keep going when that happens, man. You know, it's hard to balance those energies. I think a lot of people get lost in it.

• 3:13:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I just don't, I just don't really do it. I don't, I never engage on X with anybody or YouTube.

• 3:13:27Speaker 06

  I engage so much. Maybe that's my problem. I've got like, like severe mental health issues now. Seriously, like.

• 3:13:33Danny Jones?

  I say this all the time, like, you know, a lot of, a lot of guests worry about the, about negative comments, you know? And like my thing is, the way I look at it is, I've only left maybe two comments on YouTube in my entire life. And they've only been like, hey, man, great video, like, this is cool.

• 3:13:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:13:52Danny Jones?

  Or like, you know, if I'm on like a friend, someone else's podcast, like, thanks for having me on. I've never actually spent the time to write a negative.

• 3:14:01Speaker 06

  Good for you.

• 3:14:01Danny Jones?

  Opinion on something like that, you know? And I wonder what kind of person would would do that because I, I don't know. I just can't. I can't put myself in the shoes of somebody who would do that. I understand X, X is more of a conversational thing, but YouTube, YouTube's another level.

• 3:14:16Speaker 06

  No, YouTube, I don't really like, I'll read my comments sometimes and I'll like, you know, reply to a few people, but I don't really do that on on YouTube. On X, it's very, it's very different because it's real time, it's dynamic, someone's sending comments, you're like, I don't like that comment.

• 3:14:28Danny Jones?

  If I have an opinion on something, I'll say it here on the podcast.

• 3:14:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, you know, it's funny is like, I think I've built like a love hate thing with people, I think. Because a lot of people actually appreciate that I will just say stuff. And on X, like I've said some pretty, you know, quite controversial things, I guess. And in terms of like how people view the UFO subject or even like the wider geopolitical like ecosystem. And I've, you know, said things that a lot of people agree with and a lot of people don't agree with. And I mean, that's always been me anyway. I've got myself in trouble from for doing that. You know, kind of just speaking out when maybe I should have kept quiet. Uh, but that's part of my personality. And so I think some people genuinely do seem to appreciate that. Other people kind of go like, oh, you know, Jay's like really combative and.

• 3:15:08Speaker 06

  Oh, so much for Project Unity. Like, it shouldn't be called Unity. I hear that so much, dude. Like, it really frustrates me because it's like, it's not about that. Like, it's really, again, it's it's it's larger than like, you know. Individual spats. And of course, on social media, like, it's very combative, you know, and. Yeah, maybe I should, I wear my heart on my sleeve a bit. I'm an emotional guy. Like, you know, I wake up in the morning, I read something, I'm like.

• 3:15:29Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? And then I look back and I really shouldn't have done that, even if I ratio him, which I always do.

• 3:15:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:15:34Speaker 06

  You know, but yeah, it's just kind of like, it's a very weird landscape on X. And I do spend probably a bit too much time on there, but it is also rewarding and it allows me to do my traveling and it allows me, you know, that is the, one of the ways in which I can really kind of finance myself is through X, you know? So I'm grateful for it at the same time.

• 3:15:51Danny Jones?

  My crazy conspiracy about what's going on with social media, particularly with X is that they're trying to take off the, the guardrails of free speech on there right now, so they can sort of build some sort of a model around all the users. So that when they eventually do put down some totalitarian fucking lockdown like China and combine it with digital money and digital ID, and try to do like Minority Report pre-crime shit, they're going to use all that data to sort of put you in a box and control you.

• 3:16:19Speaker 06

  So what you're saying is that social media is the, is the kind of surface level facade for what is actually a data scraping operation on a huge global scale.

• 3:16:27Danny Jones?

  Because remember when Elon did Doge?

• 3:16:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:16:31Danny Jones?

  What I think he did, or what not me, but smart people I've talked to think he did is that he was installing the Grok, or he was doing Grok and he was, he was, he was verifiably partnered with

• 3:16:44Danny Jones?

  Palantir's AI when he was doing that. So installing their AI in, in these organizations, like he wasn't, he wasn't weeding out waste, fraud and abuse. He was going into the HHS, the IRS and the social, social security and getting all that data and consolidating it. So that AI can scrape it all and monitor all of it.

• 3:17:06Speaker 06

  Right.

• 3:17:07Danny Jones?

  And now combine that with social media and then suddenly enable payments on platforms like X and then bring in all these stable coins with this genius act.

• 3:17:14Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 3:17:15Danny Jones?

  And now you have, you know, all these fucking new satellites that are going up with like Satellogic and the data centers and all that.

• 3:17:20Speaker 06

  New global architecture.

• 3:17:21Danny Jones?

  I think they're trying to create some sort of like crazy totalitarian like type police state.

• 3:17:26Speaker 06

  New world order of some form of order that's new in the world. I don't know how to, how to say it without being conspiratorial, but like, yeah, dude, like, I mean, it literally, you've heard of the dark enlightenment?

• 3:17:37Danny Jones?

  Maybe I have, I just don't remember.

• 3:17:38Speaker 06

  I don't, I don't even know enough about it to speak confidently. It really annoys me because I've got a friend who, if I could just transport him here, talk so brilliantly on it. But people like Elon Musk and a few others, that he connected into this thing called the dark enlightenment, which is kind of about how you build power in a world that relies on, in the top scale of, you know, elite level manifestation of intent. And how you control the world through that and your shadow self, the Carl Jungian shadow self and allowing that to flourish. It's just like an ideological position that seems to be adopted by a few of these tech giants. And it's referred to as the dark enlightenment, but yeah, do some research on it. I'll do the same. It's something that was flowed out to me, but yeah, there's, there's an agenda. There's an agenda, you know?

• 3:18:22Speaker 06

  It's not the old school agenda. It's not the, it's not the Illuminati, Rothschild, whatever the fuck that might be. This is a new thing. It's a new flavor, new kids on the block, right? You know, the tech guys, the private sector. They've got more of a vested interest in control over space than the governments do now.

• 3:18:36Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah. All of that, all of that government money is going private.

• 3:18:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, like.

• 3:18:40Danny Jones?

  All the NASA money's now gone private.

• 3:18:42Speaker 06

  And, you know, somewhere deep in the intuition, we seem to know this because every sci-fi that's in the future, it's some globocorp, right? It's always some globo corporation running pretty much the entire world, private sector, running the entire world, governments gone, universal credit system.

• 3:18:57Danny Jones?

  And they have more, they have more power than any nation state.

• 3:19:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, it's probably going to go that direction, you know? Who knows? Maybe it would smooth out, but I don't trust the people running it. So that's the problem is like, if it's, if the architecture is being erected by people that I think have got compromised morals, then we're already starting a problem. And I'm not the only one who feels that way. A lot of people don't trust these guys.

• 3:19:17Danny Jones?

  We're fucked. Bring on the alien invasion now. I'm ready.

• 3:19:19Speaker 06

  Bring on some Black Swan event. Let's go.

• 3:19:21Danny Jones?

  I'm ready. Maybe it'll reset the economy, bring interest rates back down.

• 3:19:23Speaker 06

  Carrington event, you know? Carrington event, like just reset the electro system. Like we're all just like, you know, crossbows.

• 3:19:29Danny Jones?

  I was talking, over the weekend, I met some guys that live in Maui and I was asking them about the Maui fires.

• 3:19:34Speaker 06

  Oh God, that's another thing, bro.

• 3:19:35Danny Jones?

  They, they're, they're not convinced, they're, they're completely with the whole like directed energy weapons.

• 3:19:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, selective burning and moving an entire people out to.

• 3:19:44Danny Jones?

  They don't believe the power line story.

• 3:19:46Speaker 06

  No, no, no, dude, like the whole thing's weird and like police cordoning off areas to completely jam traffic up and prevent escape. And there were so many strange stories, children who have never come back. You know, this is another thing as well, is I think that when you're talking about the child trafficking element of the elite world, using disasters as a way to traffic children is, is perfect cover, right? Because who's going to suspect that that's what's happening when they just burn up, burn up in the fire, didn't they? And they're drowned or earthquakes swallowed them up. It's actually a really, you know, good opportunity for trafficking at that point. So that's another thing that a lot of people say they swooped in and stole people's children. You know, the real estate, like the land rights being like changed. There was, I can't remember the exact thing, but when it was all happening, I was

• 3:20:31Speaker 06

  kind of keeping my finger on the pulse of it. And there was that, there was that law change in Hawaii to like completely change the land rights about two months before the fires.

• 3:20:40Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 3:20:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, you should look into it. Like it was, it was a thing, like, because they were protesting this. Like there was a whole bunch of protests about like land rights being exchanged so they could be bought out by like foreign assets. Or some strange exchange of rights that happened before those fires took place. Yeah, man, like, yeah, it's just.

• 3:20:58Danny Jones?

  And you know, when, when we got these hurricanes here, a couple of years ago, we had crazy hurricanes here in Florida that like fucking decimated Florida.

• 3:21:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:21:06Danny Jones?

  And you know, there was also those floods too. A lot of people here thought that they were like CIA hurricanes, like in like, because, or like BlackRock set it up. Because like all of a sudden, all the real estate got super cheap, especially the waterfront real estate. And like these big corporations like Blackstone were buying up all these houses and stuff like that.

• 3:21:24Speaker 06

  But it's like Carolina, you know, when Carolina got hit with that incredible hurricane that like broke over the ocean and came into the land and then got stronger as it came into the land. Which contradicts how they even meant to behave and they got flooded out. It wasn't even that long ago. It was like, what, last year? And it was like major, major impact on Carolina. And those people didn't seem to get any help. Like there was like so many videos from people saying like, we're not getting any assistance from the government. They were left to fucking drown and die and like houses, towns destroyed. And then there was like all of this talk about mineral rich environment and like this particular precious metals in those areas. So again, like it's easy to invoke a conspiracy and people can say, oh, you know, you shouldn't. But it's because we live in a world which is so untrustworthy and there's so much proven conspiratorial content already given to us. It's like, why trust a single thing?

• 3:22:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:22:10Speaker 06

  And in regards to weather manipulation, we've been doing that since Vietnam.

• 3:22:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:22:14Speaker 06

  Our Operation Popeye. And so like, you know, the idea that they haven't scaled up that technology is also a bit of a weird one to me. The idea that is a funny kind of like, oh, come on, what? They can control the weather.

• 3:22:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:22:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, probably, probably can. They probably can control the fucking weather. You know, it, it doesn't seem irrational when you actually know the history of things like weather manipulation and how it's been deployed in active combat theater in Vietnam. So, you know, and the Saudis do it all the time.

• 3:22:40Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah.

• 3:22:41Speaker 06

  Purposely make it rain all the time. Yeah, aluminium particulates being seeded and stuff like, so yeah, like the idea that that hasn't been weaponized and scaled up in 2026, like come on guys.

• 3:22:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they're fucking weaponizing everything. It's insane. And I'm not buying all these doomsday narratives that you see every day, like, like in the news, the last couple of days about this recent stuff.

• 3:22:59Speaker 06

  My country, three day preparedness.

• 3:23:01Danny Jones?

  And our country, we just had something where.

• 3:23:02Speaker 06

  Japan as well.

• 3:23:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:23:03Speaker 06

  Japan is the one that freaks me out a bit though, bro, because Japan's a bit more sensible and they don't really seem to get involved in all of the geopolitical spots. And they do seem to care about their people.

• 3:23:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but is that really coming out of Japan media?

• 3:23:13Speaker 06

  I believe so. Like Japan actually issued like a nationwide, please prepare like three days at least survive. Like the same message is being echoed, like it happened across Europe and UK.

• 3:23:21Danny Jones?

  Right, but there's, there's reporting that Japan did that, but do, have we actually seen the Japanese reporting straight from Japan?

• 3:23:27Speaker 06

  See, see if you can pull something up, maybe.

• 3:23:29Danny Jones?

  See if Japan has issued.

• 3:23:31Speaker 06

  The actual media has been pushing that, because I saw a trend. I mean, you know.

• 3:23:35Danny Jones?

  The story was that Japan issued and along with a few other countries.

• 3:23:39Speaker 06

  Survival preparedness.

• 3:23:40Danny Jones?

  Survival preparedness, yeah. It definitely happened for, for like the military bases, like for Black Brag and for Hood, but it was like for like 60 to 90 days or something.

• 3:23:50Speaker 06

  It's just all of a sudden happened. And also I think we've, the UK's currently got three out of its four nuclear submarines out in the ocean, which usually only has one in rotation. So there's three out there right now.

• 3:24:00Danny Jones?

  Yes, Japanese media and public institutions heavily feature disaster preparedness known as BOSI.

• 3:24:07Speaker 06

  Nah, this seems more general. I don't think it's referring to what's happened just now. It's kind of just saying, yeah, they have a, they have a culture of that.

• 3:24:14Danny Jones?

  Is there a specific? What did you type in?

• 3:24:15Speaker 06

  Well, it's like within the last, like literally within the last two weeks or so that, you know, you've had.

• 3:24:19Danny Jones?

  Recently.

• 3:24:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, like recent Japan, recent, I don't know. Japan is preparing to launch nationwide disaster. There you go. Click on that, or at least go down.

• 3:24:28Danny Jones?

  November.

• 3:24:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's releasing a campaign.

• 3:24:30Danny Jones?

  Officially scheduled for November 2nd, 2026, consorting with opening of Japan's new disaster management agency.

• 3:24:37Speaker 06

  Right, so this is very similar to what's happening in the UK. So they have.

• 3:24:40Danny Jones?

  Households, this is from Facebook, some Japanese page on Facebook, households are urged to keep a minimum of three days worth of supplies.

• 3:24:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, so they are being, yeah, they are echoing the same sentiment as what's happening in the UK, EU, US. It does make me wonder, like, you know, I don't want to, you know, kind of jump on the fear porn bandwagon with all of this stuff. Cause I agree with you, man. Like all of the doomsday stuff, like it really is tiring.

• 3:25:05Danny Jones?

  Look, all the bankers are still buying houses.

• 3:25:07Speaker 06

  Well, exactly. Look at the economy, like, like keep an eye on actually, like that's the way to look at what's really happening, right? The movement of money, keep an eye on the stocks, keep an eye on what, what's happening in the, in the economy. You'll see really where people are preparing.

• 3:25:20Danny Jones?

  So Catherine Fitz was just showing us yesterday how like all of the stock market is basically consolidated onto these big AI companies. Right now, and like how this bubble, like, so the, the AI bubble right now is like almost double what the dot com bubble was.

• 3:25:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:25:34Danny Jones?

  In the nineties or the early 2000s rather. And like, if you even buy like S and P 500 stocks, which are like a consolidation of all the top stocks on the, on the stock market. They're like very, you like click down into them and you realize they're all these big tech stocks. So like, even if you're someone who like, doesn't want to invest in like fucking Lockheed or like all these companies or like all these AI companies or, you know, supposedly going to end the world. Like you can't help it. You, you, you just pick these stocks and you're automatically funding these people.

• 3:26:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:26:02Danny Jones?

  So like you have to actively go away, you know, get like, pick around that.

• 3:26:06Speaker 06

  It's literally like a monopoly on the stocks.

• 3:26:08Danny Jones?

  Market is so stacked.

• 3:26:09Speaker 06

  Completely stacked against.

• 3:26:11Danny Jones?

  For those people, for those companies like that.

• 3:26:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:26:13Danny Jones?

  But I gotta piss, bro. We just did three and a half hours. That was fucking awesome, man.

• 3:26:18Speaker 06

  I've got to piss as well. My throat is starting to get a bit sore.

• 3:26:21Danny Jones?

  Tell people about your webs or about your YouTube channel and all your videos and shit like that.

• 3:26:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, I, I'm terrible because I, I do everything on my own, so I don't really have a whole bunch of social media. I should be on TikTok, Instagram and all that, but you can find me on X at the Project Unity and you can find me on YouTube at Project Unity. That's pretty much it.

• 3:26:39Danny Jones?

  Hell yeah.

• 3:26:40Speaker 06

  I do documentaries, I travel around the world to very strange places, have a, you know, focus on ancient history, consciousness studies, the UFO subject. I've interviewed so many different spooks and spies and government people. So if you want to check that out, got that as well. And I still do it, but I'm a bit more focused on ancient history now. And yeah, you can find me at those two places. Appreciate a subscribe and you can check out my Patreon links in the description box. And I appreciate anyone who wants to check out, check out my stuff.

• 3:27:05Danny Jones?

  Hell yeah, bro.

• 3:27:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude.

• 3:27:06Danny Jones?

  We'll link it all below. Thanks again, man.

• 3:27:08Speaker 06

  Pleasure, Danny. It's been great.