#437 - "From Deep Space" New Iran UFO Incident No One Can Explain | Darcy Weir

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Darcy Weir is an independent documentary filmmaker focused on UFOs/UAPs, secret government programs, the paranormal, underground bases, and related unexplained subjects. SPONSORS https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DANNY - Use code DANNY & get $150 if you win your first $5 lineup! https://www.amentara.com/go/dj - Use code DJP22 for 22% off first order. https://mod.com - Use code DANNY for 10% off your first order PLUS free shipping. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS The Dripton Files: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0HK8QYP1G Dark Alliance: Next Generation: https://tubitv.com/movies/100053908/dark-alliance-the-next-generation https://www.instagram.com/darcyweirfilms https://x.com/Occultjourneys *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com Get paid to make clips from the show: https://discord.com/invite/dannyjones FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Dinosaur Stargates in an alleged NSA file 08:05 - The claim Venezuela was invaded for a Stargate 15:58 - The Atacama mummy's human DNA test 22:29 - The whistleblower who called black triangles US tech 26:21 - NASA's sightings revealed in the UFO files 30:49 - The Air Force's 1958 plan to arm the Moon with nukes 34:02 - X-15 pilots reported saucers pacing their craft 38:24 - Gary McKinnon hacked NASA with blank passwords 43:50 - What Gary McKinnon says he saw inside NASA 47:36 - The Solar Warden Program 55:38 - Inspiration behind Project Stargate 01:01:15 - If the US has UFO tech, why not use it in Iran? 01:05:25 - Pascagoula alien abduction incident 01:12:07 - Corey Goode's abduction story 01:16:48 - Corey Goode's questionable copyright 01:27:34 - Could UFO encounters originate in consciousness? 01:34:52 - What NASA's ultraviolet cameras saw in space 01:39:12 - NASA shuttle crews spotted "alien spacecrafts" 01:43:33 - Buzz Aldrin's UFO confession 01:47:42 - Ultraterrestrial breakaway civilization theory 01:52:26 - The triangle UFO filmed over Tehran 01:59:24 - Tehran UFO incident of 1976 02:06:32 - "Fastmover" underwater UFOs 02:15:37 - Alleged 4K UFO satellite images 02:26:34 - Project Bluebeam's laser technology 02:30:56 - Annie Jacobsen's source on Roswell 02:37:22 - Why would Roswell's 'aliens' look human? 02:41:23 - Why the Nazca Mummies are a hoax 02:56:46 - Nazca Mummies have thumb joints 03:04:00 - The Chris Bledsoe orbs 03:10:22 - Why did NASA figures visit Chris Bledsoe? 03:14:03 - Darcy's biggest skepticism of Chris Bledsoe 03:18:56 - The Bledsoe neuralizer story Danny cut Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:37Danny Jones?

  All right, Darcy Weir, good to finally meet you, bro.

• 0:39Speaker 02

  Good to meet you, too.

• 0:40Danny Jones?

  You ready to talk about some alien dinosaur portals?

• 0:43Speaker 02

  Let's talk about them. Stargates.

• 0:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I just sent you that earlier, this thing that just came across my feed. There's an NSA leaked document of dinosaur stargates.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:53Danny Jones?

  There we go. Look at that. Barney going through stargates from the Defense Intelligence Reference. It's a Defense Intelligence Reference document of trans, trans, traversable wormholes, stargates, and negative energy.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10Danny Jones?

  And Steve, you were pointing out that the dinosaur there is like a pre-60s dinosaur drawing?

• 1:15Speaker 02

  This, this dinosaur, yeah. So dinosaurs that drag their tails is not a real thing. And that was like something that they thought, you know, whenever they first found dinosaurs. So if you watch the first King Kong, the stop motion one, that one drags his tail. And it wasn't until, I don't know, like 70s, maybe 60s, maybe, they, they changed it. And so this isn't a very old rendition.

• 1:39Danny Jones?

  It's hilarious. It looks a lot like Barney. And that guy's very silly looking also.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  It looks pretty delulu, you know, like delusional to me.

• 1:49Danny Jones?

  Well, that's the thing. A lot of this stuff, dude, a lot of this old Cold War intelligence stuff, on the face of it, sounds extremely sensational and delusional.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Well, as soon as I see Stargate by Fig 7, I get a little worried. Because, you know, you even saw the recent doc, Dark Alliance, The Next Generation. And we cover the whole Stargate delusional propaganda that's been pushed into the UFO community for the past two decades. And like, the leader of that discussion is Michael Sala. He's been pushing that stargates are real. They're not fiction. They're not from the movies starring Kurt Russell and David Spader.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  But every time we invade a country, we're not invading a country for oil or some other strategic, you know, advantage. But we're invading for a Stargate.

• 2:59Danny Jones?

  That was one of my favorite stories from that doc. When the claim was that George Bush and Dick Cheney invaded Iraq to unlock a Stargate. That Saddam Hussein was hiding, is that right?

• 3:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, so 9/11 happens, very real. I think there's conspiracies around that that are real, like Building 7, you know, standing free fall, collapsing without being hit by planes. But, you know, we, we also, and you've had, what's her name? Talking about the missing money.

• 3:41Danny Jones?

  Catherine Fitz.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Catherine Fitz on your show. Catherine Fitz was who the government used as like an accounting, you know?

• 3:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah, she was the head of HUD.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, to look after and track down what happened to trillions of dollars.

• 3:57Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  And she couldn't find.

• 4:00Danny Jones?

  Her theory is that it went to black budget shit.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  That's right. Which, you know, perfectly fits in a UFO or, you know, deep underground military base sort of clandestine world that would be building stuff and keeping it out of sight, out of sound from the American public. Or adversaries' abilities to look at it. But the story quickly got co-opted by the delulu, like UFO crowd, like Michael Sala, and they said, well, you know, they're invading Iraq for Stargate.

• 4:41Danny Jones?

  And I love that story.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:42Danny Jones?

  That's way better than the story they ran with.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  And I think that's what happens constantly in this community. There's probably some element of truth to a conspiracy going on, right? But the folks who kind of run this strange propaganda, delusional propaganda machine, whether that's coming from Gaia TV or one of these sort of approved network entertainers that have appeared on their show, they, they kind of pick up a story and they repeat it. Until it becomes sort of fact in the UFO community.

• 5:25Danny Jones?

  There's crooks and grifters in every community, you know?

• 5:28Speaker 02

  There is, but when you see the same sort of activity happening that you see on, let's say, CNN, Fox News, ABC, CNBC, where a story headline is repeated by every single news anchor. You know, and, and that activity, when you see it happening, you're like, okay, they're trying to, you know, propagandize something because they're just.

• 5:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  They're, they're condensing it and trying to get it into all of our heads that this is truth. That happens in the UFO community. And it usually is backed by very large networks that have lots of money behind them. And I think, you know, companies like Gaia TV have been guilty of that.

• 6:19Danny Jones?

  What is this?

• 6:20Speaker 02

  This is the Stargate Man himself, Michael Sala.

• 6:23Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:26Danny Jones?

  I remember him from your documentary.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 6:29Danny Jones?

  This guy seemed like he started out like a normal dude.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, I think a lot of people in the UFO community do. What happened with him was he briefly worked at Columba, Columbus University in, in Washington DC. And when he started publishing articles about ETs and, you know, government coverups and stuff, they fired him.

• 6:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man, so, which is fucked up. I don't agree with them doing that, but that's just the way these, some of these universities historically have worked and operated. They like to distance themselves from controversy or whatever is going to get in the way of them making money. Or, I mean, what's his name? John Mack's a great case, a great example of that.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, they almost fired him. They didn't fire him, though.

• 7:15Danny Jones?

  Oh, they didn't?

• 7:15Speaker 02

  No, John Mack was reviewed and scrutinized by the board at Harvard University. But he eventually kind of won his case against them and he stayed.

• 7:30Danny Jones?

  Oh, interesting, okay.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:32Danny Jones?

  So, like, people like him, I feel like this, this guy was, you know, the path that he went down where he got ejected from the university, then, because, because he was talking about one thing, he found a community and he found meaning. And he just leaned into it.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  That's, yeah, that's what it appears, right?

• 7:52Danny Jones?

  That's a tale that's as old as time.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, but the problem with that is that if you never, you know, accept the fact that you can be wrong about statements you've made.

• 8:03Danny Jones?

  There's a Vice article on it.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, right? I mean, like, this is from 2017, from Iraq. But that other picture you showed, he was now claiming in present day, the reason we're in Iran is actually for stargates.

• 8:19Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 8:20Speaker 02

  And, yeah, he has a new sort of secret space program insider guy named JP, who for the longest time was doing presentations with a dirt bike helmet on. But JP said the reason we invaded Venezuela was for Stargate technology and stuff under a pyramid that they found there, right? Like, it just, it keeps going. These guys.

• 8:50Danny Jones?

  It's like a spinoff religion, you know?

• 8:53Speaker 02

  It really is. Yeah, it's like new age ufology that has its like forefathers. And, you know, those forefathers include Michael Sala, Stephen Greer, David Icke, like many, many of these guys that are OGs that just kind of like constantly push this unproven or.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  You know, undocumented conspiracy about real world events.

• 9:29Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. And but it doesn't seem like they have a huge following of people. I wonder how many people actually like wholeheartedly believe what these people are saying, you know?

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Well, at least 209,000 on this guy's YouTube channel, but uh.

• 9:44Danny Jones?

  That doesn't mean they believe him.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true. There's probably some people that hate watch, but yeah.

• 9:48Danny Jones?

  Um, you know? I mean, I'm sure there's some interesting information in some of this stuff, you know? It's obviously, it's, it's very entertaining, right? Oh, he's interviewing Ashton Forbes. Look at that.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:01Danny Jones?

  Amazing. And um, so this guy's doing, running a podcast. Is that right? Is that what this is basically?

• 10:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, he runs a podcast and he has for, I think about two decades now called Exopolitics.

• 10:12Danny Jones?

  Is that RFK's wife?

• 10:15Speaker 02

  No way.

• 10:15Danny Jones?

  Okay, okay.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Really?

• 10:16Danny Jones?

  No, no, it's not her.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  I know RFK is homies with Danny Sheehan. I didn't know.

• 10:22Danny Jones?

  Is he really?

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:24Danny Jones?

  No way, Danny Sheehan.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  He had like a Christmas dinner or something like a year ago and there was a photo inside of RFK's house and Danny Sheehan's like in the group photo.

• 10:35Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:37Danny Jones?

  He knows everybody, man.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  He's connected.

• 10:39Danny Jones?

  He's like the Forrest Gump of like crazy historical American conspiracies.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I don't know about Forrest Gump, but yeah, he's pretty, he's pretty connected. But yeah, I mean.

• 10:52Danny Jones?

  He knows, he was Greer's lawyer and he was Elizondo's lawyer.

• 10:56Speaker 02

  At the same time.

• 10:57Danny Jones?

  At the same time.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, which I think is a bit of a conflict of interest, but.

• 11:01Danny Jones?

  Wait, they weren't suing each other though, right? There were, who were the, is that?

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Well.

• 11:05Danny Jones?

  How would that be a conflict of interest?

• 11:07Speaker 02

  I think at the time, uh, Lou Elizondo came public and he was getting all these public attacks from Greer and Greer's camp. Cause Greer has his whole network too. They were calling him like a paid actor and you know, a charlatan and liar and all this stuff. And he said, I think on like CNN or something in an interview when they asked about Greer and his accusations, he said, well, you know, everything about this guy reminds me of Heaven's Gate Cult.

• 11:40Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 11:41Speaker 02

  Which, you know, was a suicide cult.

• 11:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Um, and Lou has also declared that he wants to destroy ufology, but um, I think at that time, Danny Sheehan was considered Lou's lawyer and also considered Greer's lawyer while they were feuding. And I don't think that feud ever really stopped. I mean, Greer published three different documentaries through the Cousins Brothers, Third Phase of Moon. They have like that UFO YouTube channel.

• 12:20Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Never heard of them.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  And pretty sure every single one of them, they were just like

• 12:27Speaker 02

  putting up Lou imagery and saying the guy is like fake and he's a liar or he's paid. Have you had Lou on your show?

• 12:35Danny Jones?

  Okay. I have had Greer on.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  What do you think?

• 12:38Danny Jones?

  Wild, wild boy. He's a jagged pill to swallow. I'll put, we'll put it that way.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:43Danny Jones?

  But uh, I've had time to process it and I think there's a lot of legitimate information in that guy's head. I just think that the way he presents it is convenient for whoever holds the secrets because like I said, he's a very jagged pill to swallow and he's very controversial and he's a, not a likable guy.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:07Danny Jones?

  But I think

• 13:10Danny Jones?

  I can't knock, I mean, I mean, his connection to the Rockefellers is obviously insane. Uh, his claim about getting offered $2 billion by Stubblebine is insane. But those are great

• 13:24Danny Jones?

  diversions to have in place to get people to not swallow what he's selling. I think that though, like the fact that he's been doing it for so long and he's pretty much stayed on the same track the whole time. I feel like there's gotta be a lot of truth mixed in with a lot of bullshit.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  Or a lot of bullshit mixed in with truth.

• 13:47Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Like I, I would kind of lean towards that because even the stumble, Stubblebine, um, you know, dead man statement is, is really bullshit on the face of it. Because he had never mentioned that previously to going on Sean Ryan's show.

• 14:07Danny Jones?

  Oh, I thought he did.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 14:08Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 14:09Speaker 02

  It was like new bullshit. You know what I mean? Yeah. And.

• 14:13Danny Jones?

  I thought I heard this on, no, he said this on Joe Rogan's podcast way before that.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Did he?

• 14:17Danny Jones?

  Yep. I remember listening to him on Joe Rogan.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Joe like erased?

• 14:21Danny Jones?

  No, no, it's still available.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Really?

• 14:23Danny Jones?

  I think.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  I thought Joe erased it.

• 14:25Danny Jones?

  Really? Did Joe erase that? Did you find that?

• 14:27Speaker 02

  When he went on Spotify.

• 14:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, you might be right.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  When, yeah, when Joe's show.

• 14:32Danny Jones?

  I found it. It's on YouTube still.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 14:34Danny Jones?

  Type in Stephen Greer, Joe Rogan, uh, podcast. And I guarantee you can find it on there. Cause I, I remember listening to it when I was driving to Miami one day.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  Stubblebine, Stubblebine was like a credible figure. He obviously was involved in like the research of UFOs and uh, you know, remote viewing, remote viewing for sure.

• 14:56Danny Jones?

  Completely bullshit right now.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  But I don't think he, I'm pretty sure.

• 15:00Danny Jones?

  But I, I feel like.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  It's not posted by Joe.

• 15:03Danny Jones?

  No, it's not. He deleted it. He must've deleted it.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:06Danny Jones?

  But I want to say I remember him saying that in this episode. I could be wrong.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  In that same interview, Joe was like, yo, you know, your documentary is serious. You, you feature a guy named David Wilcock.

• 15:19Danny Jones?

  I remember that.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  And he's like, David Wilcock's kind of a questionable character. He thinks he's a reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.

• 15:26Danny Jones?

  David Wilcock's like glazing Stephen Greer in the interview. It's like, dude, that, that interview, that documentary is one of the most unwatchable things I've ever seen.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  So you've had Rizwan Verk on before, right?

• 15:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. Rizwan Verk is good friends with the producers of Sirius. And I got a chance to interview Riz recently for a doc I've been working on. And he said that the producers of that documentary had such a hard time with uh, Greer because Greer's such an egomaniac.

• 16:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  And control freak that uh, they like basically almost rage quit the making that of that film and they vowed to never work with them again, which is the truth.

• 16:16Danny Jones?

  What was the basis of that movie again? Sirius?

• 16:19Speaker 02

  That, you know, we're being contacted by aliens and the government's covering it up. Like the same sort of stuff that's in a lot of documentaries, but they also featured the, I think the Atacama mummy, which turned out to be a deformed baby. And they said it was an alien when um, Gary Nolan did a forensic analysis of that body by his lab at his university.

• 16:50Danny Jones?

  Is this the mummy?

• 16:51Speaker 02

  That's it. It's just a deformed baby, but they said it's an alien.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Essentially it came back that it was a hundred percent human DNA, so on and so forth. Yeah.

• 17:05Danny Jones?

  And who said that? Nolan?

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Gary Nolan's uh, lab did. They did, you know, like

• 17:13Speaker 02

  kind of peer reviewed. So it, it was handed to all the experts in their field that would review the DNA, take samples, all that stuff. And when he published that, um, Greer said, oh, the CIA got to him and all this stuff. And like, it became this feud, but.

• 17:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  You know, it's like, okay, moving on.

• 17:36Danny Jones?

  All these people are weirdos, man. All the high level, like authoritative, authoritative voices in the UFO space are very strange to me. There's a lot of red flags that go up for all of them. I don't trust anyone.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  It gets kind of like cult leader-esque. Yeah.

• 17:49Danny Jones?

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• 18:46Speaker 02

  I think that there's obviously legit UFO cases that have happened in the past that we have plenty of testimony and data to prove actually happened, are real.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  But whether those are aliens, you know, uh, crypto-terrestrials,

• 19:13Speaker 02

  all, all, all these other explanations, extradimensional, angels, demons. I, I can't say for certain what they are, you know? I just hold my, my opinions open and my mind kind of like open to the ideas, but I want to see data, you know, like real documentable proof that this can be proven or this can be proven. So.

• 19:44Danny Jones?

  What do you think about all the shit that the government's released there? Like all those videos that the pilots are seeing? All the shit that they claim to be seeing in those uh, congressional hearings and.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, like I, I was at um, one of the congressional hearings. I was at the one where Tim Gallaudet spoke in November of 2023 or 2024, 2024, I think. And.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  I believe people like Tim Gallaudet, who served for the Navy for seven years. Have you had him on?

• 20:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he's great. Love that guy.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  Got to speak with him. I made a documentary about the ocean and, you know, cases throughout history that show something anomalous happening in oceans all around the world.

• 20:37Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  But,

• 20:42Speaker 02

  you know, I think that

• 20:45Speaker 02

  there are people that come to the field that are just looking to exploit and create kind of like a attention mire that draws this whole

• 21:02Speaker 02

  phenomenon into the garbage. You know what I mean?

• 21:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Like the Stargate, the Stargate people.

• 21:09Danny Jones?

  People trying to poison the well.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, or people that want to add their own flavor to the, because it's become like an entertainment

• 21:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  complex. You know what I mean? There's like the

• 21:25Speaker 02

  UFO attainment complex or the disclosure entertainment complex. Like, how many documentaries do you think have been released that have disclosure in the title? Or in the, in the metadata somewhere? You know what I mean?

• 21:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And how many congressmen and senators want to tie themselves to the UFO topic? So they can get more pop, you know, more popular support for people.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I, I think

• 21:54Speaker 02

  because it's become so popular in the public, it is a perfect diversionary

• 22:02Speaker 02

  sort of entertainment topic on news to draw people's attention away from the Epstein files, the Iran war, and, you know, the growing debt crisis.

• 22:21Speaker 02

  Like, all very real things. You know what I mean?

• 22:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Or the fact that we are like, probably keeping exotic technologies from the public eye. So

• 22:37Speaker 02

  if you look at the UFO subject, every decade that somebody has come out and said, I've seen an extraterrestrial or I have witnessed a UFO craft. There have been other people that have said, we've made breakthroughs in, you know, alternate propulsion technology or energy. So, you know, a good example is Jeremy Reese, your buddy.

• 23:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  He did a deep dive and became good friends with this guy named Edgar Rothschild Fouchet, who

• 23:12Danny Jones?

  What a great name.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. In 1998, he started going to UFO conferences as a whistleblower and saying, hey, you know those triangles that people saw throughout this decade? Because we had the Belgian UFO wave, which was all black triangles. We had all kinds of cases ranging from like the eighties to nineties around the time that he went public. He, he said, this is our tech.

• 23:39Danny Jones?

  This Rothschild guy?

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, Edgar Rothschild Fouchet. And Jeremy actually tracked back to, like, he ended up speaking to, I can't remember the individual's name, but it was a guy who worked at Area 51.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  You know, documentable as a personnel of Area 51. He asked this guy, hey, can you let me know if Edgar worked at the base during these times? And this guy said, I can neither confirm nor deny, which is what you usually say when you want to say to the person, something is here, but I can't say yes. Right? And Edgar provided photos of him working under a F-117 at Area 51. So we know that he was involved in, you know,

• 24:40Speaker 02

  the Air Force. He had an Air Force record of working for the Air Force and possibly did work at Area 51. You know, after he went public, he wasn't a figure that was on television constantly after that. Not like, you know, Lou or David Grush or any of these other whistleblowers. He kind of hid, you know, he didn't want to become this massive personality that was talking about us building our own anti-gravity breakthrough tech. And then he died from cancer. So I think that there's a lot of evidence that we might have

• 25:26Speaker 02

  been building our own advanced tech and then telling the public it's aliens, it's crypto-terrestrials, it's Stargate portal dinosaurs or whatever, right?

• 25:41Danny Jones?

  That makes sense.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  And that's what also has been worried. When you look at the tranches that have dropped, there's literal like CGI or AI looking images that are in there. Or like this.

• 25:56Danny Jones?

  What is the deal with this latest tranche? What's the story with this?

• 25:58Speaker 02

  I haven't reviewed it, to be honest, but that dird's document Stargate portal thing has me concerned. Like, it makes me,

• 26:07Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. It makes, it makes.

• 26:10Danny Jones?

  Why would that concern anyone?

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Exactly. Well, I think they're not aiming for those documents to convince you or I who have, you know, more of a bird's eye view of this whole UFO subject. They're looking to convince like the soccer mom and the, you know, newcomer to the UFO subject that there's something there, there. But probably for their own spin, you know, which,

• 26:42Speaker 02

  I mean,

• 26:44Speaker 02

  who knows what's going to happen in the next two years? Is it just going to be Trump forever? Or is it gonna be?

• 26:49Danny Jones?

  Maybe. Some people think he's going to get a third term. So this tranche is basically like another drop of his, his UFO file deal?

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Tranche six, yeah.

• 27:00Danny Jones?

  Because the first one, oh, this is number six?

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:04Danny Jones?

  The first one was a bunch of shit that's already been public.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Actually NASA space pitchers and documents, a lot of, and even like voice recordings of, I think Gene Sternen from Apollo 17 saying, hey, we're seeing some lights outside of the capsule and so on, so forth. So.

• 27:26Danny Jones?

  All this stuff was already online, like available online, though.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  A lot of it was, and I think they were kind of, you know, seeding the public with the idea that some of this UFO activity during the Apollo space age may have been real. You know, some of our astronauts seeing stuff could have been real. Some astronauts could have just saw stuff that we had never seen before. Cause again, these were pioneering days in space.

• 27:54Danny Jones?

  We'd never been out there before.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  We'd never been out there before. We didn't even know the physics of the environment, really. You know, and a good example of that, when the Mercury mission went off, this is the second caps, this is the first capsule missions that we built and launched up on rockets. And then it would go around Earth and then crash down into the ocean. Right? Before Gemini, before Apollo. And John Glenn, when he went up, he saw little molecules of ice that were built up on the outside of the capsule that were flaking off and then revolving around the capsule because

• 28:40Speaker 02

  when you have a heavier object in space surrounded by lighter objects, those lighter objects, just like the Earth has a moon.

• 28:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Lighter objects can start to get attracted to a larger object in space in a zero-gravity environment. And he was seeing these objects revolving and then sometimes trailing off into space. And when the sun glinted on them, they looked like fireflies. So he thought he was seeing some kind of organism. And this was 1962. When they saw them. Um, when he saw them, he was, this was a public uh radio broadcast. He was announcing this and people were panicking, you know, kind of like a war of the worlds. Orson Welles moment where they're like, oh my God, are there?

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Things out there with him that are, you know, following the capsule? And he was saying, it's like thousands of these brilliant fireflies, right? But we had never seen ice particles, you know, glow in the sun in a zero G environment.

• 29:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  You know, in a space environment, you know?

• 29:54Danny Jones?

  There's a lot of weird things about NASA and the Apollo mission, especially in the early days.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 29:59Danny Jones?

  You know, and it's like, whenever I get like proper academic people in here and they want to talk to me about this whole thing and like the nuts and bolts part of it and how like, if you have any, if you think any of the conspiracies revolving uh the Apollo missions or NASA are uh the least bit true, you're absolutely insane. And like, one of the things that they don't appreciate is that, one of the things that Jesse Michaels always points out so well, is that the founders of NASA were, it was like a cocktail of SS officers, occultists and Freemasons.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, there was like three, three different sort of cults within uh, you know, you had, what was it? Jack Parsons, you know?

• 30:42Danny Jones?

  L. Ron Hubbard.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  And they were like summon, trying to summon demons through sex magic.

• 30:47Danny Jones?

  Right. And then Aleister Crowley, they were all friends, like.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then you had uh ex Nazis who, you know, Werner von Braun and all these guys came over under uh Project Paperclip, post-World War II. And the American military were like, let's put these guys to work and we become the strongest nation in the world militarily and also realizing that space is the ultimate theater you want to conquer, right? So there was a iron bark memo that I think it came, came out through a previous FOIA. It's from 1958 and the Air Force in that is saying, back in 1958, we intend to put

• 31:36Speaker 02

  nuclear bombs into space and on the moon to have the ultimate, you know, advantage over the earth. So if, if one of our adversaries is trying to mess with us, see you later. This was 1958, right? They wanted to uh arm space to the teeth and I don't think there's any reason they haven't done that.

• 32:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, there's a rocket that goes up in Cape Canaveral almost every day, a SpaceX rocket.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Yep, and SpaceX has um completely DoD classified access and uh, you know?

• 32:19Danny Jones?

  It's really frightening to me how all of these agencies that spun out of NASA have, NASA's basically become privatized.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, well NASA doesn't even have to really, I think, long-term, they don't even have to exist.

• 32:35Danny Jones?

  Dude, 1958, the US Air Force created Project A119 to study nuclear explosions on the moon. What the fuck? While classified iron bark CIA intelligence files later detailed Cold War assessments of advanced and nuclear powered space rockets. I'd heard about that one.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:54Danny Jones?

  And the purpose of it, uh, the flash would be visible from Earth and the military hoped it would boost American morale after the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. Okay, we'll nuke the moon. That's way cooler than sending a Sputnik into space.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  Go America.

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• 34:08Speaker 02

  So, you know, I made a documentary called uh NASA's First Missions. And that's part of like a series I did called Secret Space UFOs and that covers everything from the X-15 missions right through to the end of the Gemini missions.

• 34:28Danny Jones?

  Scoot this way a tiny bit.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:30Danny Jones?

  There you go.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  And so even during the X-15 missions, there was uh Robert Walker and Joe White, two of the first pilots to ever be declared astronauts. They flew on a rocket propelled uh space plane that launched off of the wing of a B2, B-52 bomber. Kind of like uh Virgin Galactic does the same thing but for rich tourists. And when they went up there, both pilots reported that they saw objects like UFOs, like the classic saucer shapes pacing their craft in space.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  I believe it was Joe White, he went on, he did an interview for Life Magazine. Life Magazine was like the biggest magazine back in the 1960s. And he said, yeah, like at first I thought it might have been something that flaked off the craft and was just stuck in space following me, but he said, whatever it was, it was speeding up and keeping pace with the craft. It was not from that.

• 35:45Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  And that's back in uh, I think his mission was like 1961.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  So since NASA's inception, uh astronauts have been proclaiming that they've seen stuff in space that we shouldn't have, you know, that um was beyond our liquid rocket technology at that time.

• 36:10Danny Jones?

  Do you believe Gary McKinnon's account of what he saw when he hacked NASA?

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do. I think that is probably the most true version we'll ever get of a possible secret space program. You know, like we have the NASA public space program.

• 36:28Danny Jones?

  For people who aren't aware, give them a quick rundown of what that was.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  So, the uh, let's call it the fabled secret space program, the kind of like Dululu Psyop version that came out of Gaia TV, that became popular in around 2015 with

• 36:49Speaker 02

  people like Corey Goode, David Wilcock proclaiming that there was this secret space program where people, regular people would be inducted into this clandestine paramilitary space program. Uh, they would serve in a 20-year service in space.

• 37:11Danny Jones?

  Time traveling.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Well, they would just, you know, let's say we, we approach you, come with us, we're gonna launch you into space, you're gonna fight reptilians and

• 37:24Danny Jones?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  grays or whatever. And then when you're done your 20-year service, we're gonna bring you back to Earth and we're gonna age regress you Benjamin Button style, back to the year that we took you. And usually it's like a teenage is what they say, right? But there's many different flavors, there's no consistency, um, there's no proof, right? There's literally not a single shred of proof that these people are telling the truth.

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Either from the Air Force, the Navy, NASA, whatever.

• 37:59Danny Jones?

  To Greer's credit, he's never said he's done any of this shit.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  No, no, you know, but he has held up a NASCAR mummy hand that's like, you know, pretty sketchy looking and obviously a piece of art. And, and the bogus sphere, the bogus sphere. So, you know, I think at some time you gotta kind of back away from bullshit. But um, yeah, so

• 38:27Speaker 02

  that SSP, secret space program, fabled mythology has really taken root and become the major conversation for people in the UFO community. And uh, something we did in uh Dark Alliance, The Next Generation, not Star Trek.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  We, so I got authorization from Richard Dolan to include his interview with Gary McKinnon. So you'll see this interview where Gary is talking to him about his experience seeing this stuff. So Gary used this very basic way of hacking into servers back in the 90s. I used to work in IT in a help desk role, so I can, you know, totally understand what this is like. But when you set up a server the first time as like a network admin at a company, usually you're connecting that to a desktop server computer, right?

• 39:32Speaker 02

  The software is, let's say of the time, Windows 2000, uh, Server 2000. And the default account when you install that software is administrator with no password. Because they expect you as a smart IT guy to start to harden your OS, your, uh, Windows Server with security, which the first step would be you create another administrator account on the same machine. You change the name from administrator to Danny Jones Podcast and then you create a

• 40:15Speaker 02

  password for that, right? What he realized is that a lot of people out there are lazy and they set up a machine and they just keep it at administrator, blank password. So he wrote this script to, um, find all of these IP network addresses for servers for different places like that were major military or space-based administrations for the United States.

• 40:47Danny Jones?

  He was obsessed with UFOs.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Cause he, he listened to a Donna Hare testimony during, during the Greer Disclosure Project days of 2001. And she proclaimed that she worked, um, as a contractor. I think it was, I want to say it was like JPL Jet Propulsion Lab or something. And one of her associates' friends was invited in, uh, she was invited by him to look at some photos that they had taken from space of just Earth's surface. And at that point, um, he said, what do you think that is?

• 41:31Speaker 02

  And it was like a classic saucer-shaped UFO, but from the top. Um, you know, look up, there's a documentary out now called the Cote Photo, which is, yeah, C-O-T-E. Um, I'm just shouting it out cause fellow documentarian that's covering UFO stuff. But that's like a classic saucer-shaped UFO from a satellite view. And, uh, and he said, yeah, we just airbrush all these out. Like we have to get rid of these before they go to a university to be public or, you know, um.

• 42:14Danny Jones?

  It's a whole movie about this one photo?

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Apparently, yeah.

• 42:19Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, you know, hopefully it's good. I haven't seen it yet. But, um, the point is that there's probably a lot of administrations that have been capturing satellite imagery or, um, you know.

• 42:36Danny Jones?

  Administrations?

• 42:37Speaker 02

  Like military, Air Force, NASA, um, NSA, uh, what's the one that? NRO?

• 42:51Danny Jones?

  NRO, yeah.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  NRO reports, they're basically a collection.

• 42:54Danny Jones?

  And isn't there an underwater NRO too? I forget the acronym for that one. There's an underwater NRO.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, what's his name? Uh, I think you've had him on.

• 43:06Danny Jones?

  Gerb.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Gerb. Who's like the mega brain of these secret.

• 43:11Danny Jones?

  Dolan was telling me about that also when he was here, cause he wrote a book recently about the underwater UFO stuff.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I think there's all these different agencies, let's call them, that are either collection, they have tools to collect this kind of data and then scrub it, you know, or sequester it, put it away, archive it forever, only for, you know, authorized eyes only type thing.

• 43:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  But, um, Gary McKinnon, back to him, like his testimony is credible and he hacked into, I can't remember what the, I think he hacked into.

• 43:53Danny Jones?

  One of the buildings.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  NORAD and, and like a space command, uh, yeah. Can't remember what it is, but, um.

• 44:04Danny Jones?

  He was trying to hack the Pentagon and shit.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  He was.

• 44:07Danny Jones?

  The one of the, the building that he hacked was in, I think it was in Houston.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 44:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  What was it?

• 44:13Danny Jones?

  It was Houston. One of the buildings in Houston. I can't remember the name of the building though.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  Anyways.

• 44:18Danny Jones?

  He told us on that one thing we did.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  So this is the story of his credible experience witnessing not only photos that looked like UFOs in space, like, you know, uh, fast walkers, let's call them, cause that's what the Air Force literally deemed, um, through their Air Force manuals and John Greenwald's FOIA requests that fast walkers existed. Like, these are space-based unidentified flying objects. So he saw this evidence of photos of what looked like an object that was not built by, you know.

• 45:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Us, uh, floating above the earth. And his access got cut off by a network admin who was probing who he was at the time. And, you know, prior to that, he had seen, let's say like an Excel list of off-world.

• 45:27Danny Jones?

  Uh, terrestrial officers or something?

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  So.

• 45:33Danny Jones?

  And there was a bunch of people, like over a hundred people on that list.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, dudes who are in space that we don't know about in the public, right? So they could be Air Force, they could be Navy. I think it was Navy, actually.

• 45:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he explained to us how the, the picture was loading and was, he was on a dial-up connection and the picture was loading like very, very slowly.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  It was probably like a 56K modem at the time and it was loading line by line.

• 45:58Danny Jones?

  Exactly. And he got like right down to like the bottom of the craft, which he said it was a, a metallic cigar-shaped craft with two little golf ball. Exactly. That's exactly what he said it looked like right there.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:11Danny Jones?

  And then, and then someone pulled the plug on it and he got kicked out.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's like a.

• 46:16Danny Jones?

  And my thing is.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Artistic rendition.

• 46:18Danny Jones?

  Right. And he, this is not, he didn't, he didn't get a screenshot.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  No, he didn't.

• 46:21Danny Jones?

  We're just taking his oral testimony.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  That's right. So we're trusting him on his word, but what makes him more credible is that the United States tried to extradite him to possibly to Guantanamo Bay.

• 46:37Danny Jones?

  One of the most aggressive extradition cases that the US has ever done, like on the level of Julian Assange.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. And actually he got kind of like formally acquitted by Theresa May, a previous.

• 46:50Danny Jones?

  Being having Asperger's, right?

• 46:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was claiming like due to his disability, he didn't quite, you know, comprehend and was, you know, it's, it's a disability, so he should be let off for this crime and he's done, time served. He was, you know, on house arrest in the UK and he was definitely being constantly monitored. He wasn't allowed to access computers in the same way after, like, like we do with normal hackers in the United States or Canada. Um, so he did serve some form of punishment, but why would they want to extradite him if he didn't do what he said, right? Break into some heavily.

• 47:32Danny Jones?

  They wanted to put him in prison for like 80 years.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and possibly Guantanamo Bay, which is where you send the most.

• 47:40Danny Jones?

  Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. That's where you send the fucking 9/11 terrorists.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  You send terrorists that have murdered people, you know what I mean? So, um, that's a credible story, but what happens when this kind of like Dululu, uh, group within this new age UFO community, when they get hold of this information, they spin it. And, um, Michael Salas started publishing books that that testimony from Gary McKinnon also included him verifying the Solar Warden program, which is like this fabled secret space program that the United States sends like nuclear submarine-type cigar-shaped

• 48:29Speaker 02

  objects into space.

• 48:31Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  And they go around the solar system and they lock it down and they fight aliens like reptilians and stuff, right? It all sounds like interesting, but there's no paper, there's no, no documentation to prove it, right? And it's just like, it becomes a Lord of the Rings expansion mythology, you know? And, um, Gary, in our documentary, when he gets examined by, uh, Richard Dolan, he says like, so did this verify the Solar Warden program? And Gary's like, no, no, no, no. Um, that's the thing that constantly happens by that group, you know?

• 49:16Speaker 02

  It's either we invaded a country for a Stargate, that's the real reason we went there, or, you know, Solar Warden exists, or all this testimony from these people that said they've been living a 20 and back life.

• 49:28Danny Jones?

  Iran is seven weeks away from a Stargate. We have to attack now.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Exactly. Yeah. Well, no, the thing is the Stargate is supposedly the ancient alien technology. And Iran has found it.

• 49:42Danny Jones?

  And they reverse engineered it?

• 49:43Speaker 02

  No, uh, they just had it and we want to take it back for them instead of their oil.

• 49:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:52Danny Jones?

  I might believe that more than nukes.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, yeah, the, the weapons of mass destruction was a huge, uh.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  You know bullshit reason to invade. But I think that oil and you know, having a foothold within the Middle East was the major reason. Right? And also, George Bush has admitted, George Bush Jr. has admitted to public, they tried to kill my daddy. You know, because Saddam did try, he planted a car bomb and tried to kill George Bush Senior in the 90s.

• 50:30Danny Jones?

  Is that proven?

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. Look it up. Yeah.

• 50:33Danny Jones?

  Pull up the plot, Saddam Hussein's plot to kill George Bush Senior.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:39Danny Jones?

  I know about that.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  So I think like, you know, there was all kinds of motives and reasons that are terrestrial and not Stargate related, but you know, part of the reason to

• 50:55Speaker 02

  make these documentaries is try and bring us back to the middle part of the conversation, you know, and

• 51:04Speaker 02

  have people not spinning off into delusion land and

• 51:10Speaker 02

  fueling conspiracy that's completely unproven and not useful to the discussion. Right? Like when it gets super crazy like that, it also discounts the conversation from the mainstream. So, you know, you saw Dark Alliance. I also worked with this guy, Nick Lerner, and we released the Dripton Files, which is covering the NASCAR mummies. Whole thing. That was really fun, right? Like we, what I like to do in a documentary is go through chronologically,

• 51:48Speaker 02

  like year by year, as a story is evolving and prove what are the foundations to this? Right? Like, where did this actually come from? Who's been saying this stuff? And the interviews you saw were from interviews I did with Jaime Maussan back in 2018. Yeah.

• 52:13Danny Jones?

  Hussein directed plot to kill Bush, US says Persian Gulf officials call the evidence compelling, but no attack on the Iraqi leader was considered. No. Oh, he directed plot to kill Bush.

• 52:27Danny Jones?

  Before President Clinton ordered Sunday's retaliatory strike against Baghdad, American intelligence concluded that the Iraqi president Saddam Hussein himself, who had directed the attempted car bomb assassination on former President Bush in April and not a lower. Okay, interesting.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  I'll bring it back. I'm going to go to the washer.

• 52:44Danny Jones?

  All right.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  Is that cool?

• 52:45Danny Jones?

  Quick break.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  This was the first attempt for the Americans to try and recover a Stargate. But they couldn't capture the Stargate. So when George Bush Junior took over, he finally accomplished capturing the Stargate.

• 53:02Danny Jones?

  Right. Him and Dick Cheney both.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Yes, mostly Dick Cheney.

• 53:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah. That makes a lot of sense.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man, it's like, the problem with this stuff, like Stargates and portals and astral projection. Like, the point I was making earlier is that it sounds so kooky and absurd on the face of it, you know? But there actually is like government documents that talk about how they investigated this shit, which is so strange.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  So I think.

• 53:36Danny Jones?

  So it's like, where does it originate? Does it originate in some science fiction writer's mind? Or does it originate in the government's mind? Like who's, is it, what's first, the chicken or the egg?

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. And we actually cover some of that stuff in Stargate, Dark Alliance, the next generation.

• 53:55Danny Jones?

  Jacobson says in her Dark, DARPA book, that the Pentagon invites like crazy top level science fiction writers to the Pentagon to like brainstorm new ideas for like secret future technology.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, think tanks, right? Like where they've got up. I mean, we're living in a time right now where you can literally talk to AI and build an app at home.

• 54:16Danny Jones?

  It's insane, dude.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  That a company would have taken, you know,

• 54:22Speaker 02

  maybe five years to launch and you can launch within, I launched an AI built app. The plugs into Premiere Pro to help me edit.

• 54:33Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it like, you know, you don't have to use Opus Clip anymore. You can literally just

• 54:41Speaker 02

  put your long form content, whether it's podcast or a feature length film, and you can hit analyze. Now make social media clips and it'll convert it all to like nine by 16, add burned in captions, all that jazz right from Premiere, right? That took me three months to build it. And, you know.

• 55:03Danny Jones?

  Still use Premiere?

• 55:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:04Danny Jones?

  Oh, man.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  Are you DaVinci?

• 55:05Danny Jones?

  Sorry to hear that. Yeah, we're DaVinci people now.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Everybody's. I gotta, I gotta switch it to DaVinci. I've reached out to so many people and they're like, dude, I'm not using Premiere.

• 55:15Danny Jones?

  First it was Final Cut, then it was Premiere, now it's DaVinci.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  It's all DaVinci resolved because you don't have to pay for a month.

• 55:21Danny Jones?

  Before Final Cut, it was, what was the other one? What was the PC version, Final Cut that everyone used back in the day?

• 55:29Speaker 02

  Oh, like Vegas?

• 55:30Danny Jones?

  Vegas.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  Vegas video?

• 55:32Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  I started on an app in high school called Pinnacle Studio DV back when we had Mini DV cams.

• 55:38Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah?

• 55:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. That was fun.

• 55:40Danny Jones?

  I started on iMovie. That was my, that was my initiation.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  I've always been a Windows guy, but so back to what you were saying, like, where, where does this sci-fi style conversation come from? Where does it begin?

• 56:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  And, you know, does it start with Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek? Or did the Pentagon, you know, I think there's lots of proof that these UFO people are lifting science fiction ideas. They're watching a movie like Stargate. And then nine to 10 years later saying, we invaded Iraq for a Stargate. That's literally what happened in the case of Michael Sala.

• 56:29Danny Jones?

  You think that's what these grifter type people are doing?

• 56:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:33Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  But.

• 56:34Danny Jones?

  So then why is the government choosing to name their secret operation Stargate?

• 56:39Speaker 02

  Well, you're talking about, but that's remote viewing.

• 56:42Danny Jones?

  Right, still, who cares? It's like time travel.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's consciousness.

• 56:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Time travel, I guess.

• 56:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  It's not like a physical, like walking through a ring and appearing on a alien planet, right? Yeah, maybe because they, well, Stargate, when it was declassified, or it was announced to end in 19, what was it 92 or 91?

• 57:12Danny Jones?

  I don't remember.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  Can't remember. But, you know, obviously it's, it was Project Gondola at one point. And, and all these other

• 57:26Speaker 02

  secret names that, you know, what's Gondola? It has nothing to do with the Stargate, you know what I mean? They just kind of surmised it all as one big project at the end. But it had other project names before that had nothing to do with like

• 57:45Speaker 02

  a film made by Roland Emmerich.

• 57:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? I think that

• 57:52Speaker 02

  sci-fi has had, science fiction always, if it's good, science fiction has elements of what could be plausible in reality. Right?

• 58:06Danny Jones?

  It's human beings thinking up all this shit.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:08Danny Jones?

  At the end of the day, right? And I'm sure it bleeds into, both worlds bleed into each other quite a bit.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, in fact, if you go back and look at, this is a really interesting one. If you go back and look at Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the opening scene from that movie, which I think people can watch on YouTube for free. Steven Spielberg's breakthrough sort of UFO film.

• 58:31Danny Jones?

  I'm trying to remember that scene.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  They're at a NORAD facility and a guy walks up to.

• 58:38Danny Jones?

  Oh, the hand scanner?

• 58:39Speaker 02

  A hand scanner.

• 58:39Danny Jones?

  Bob Lazar.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  Exactly. And that came out before Bob Lazar went public. That came out in the 1970s, that film. And Bob Lazar said, you know, I used a bone scanner that, because every person has a different sort of sized digit bone structure, which is unique to them, and that's why the hand scanner would work. It was in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

• 59:07Danny Jones?

  Before Bob said that.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  Decades.

• 59:09Danny Jones?

  But how do we know that the people who made Close Encounters didn't know that this was already a real thing at some sort of secret military base?

• 59:16Speaker 02

  When did Close Encounters come out? 1976?

• 59:20Danny Jones?

  I don't know. Can you find out? Robo Steve?

• 59:24Speaker 02

  Robo Steve, but yeah, I mean, I speculate that some of this stuff is lifted from sci-fi to make a story

• 59:32Speaker 02

  seem.

• 59:33Danny Jones?

  Seventy seven.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:36Danny Jones?

  10 years after we went to the moon.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, no, we stopped going to the moon in 19, what was it, 72?

• 59:44Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Was Apollo 17?

• 59:45Danny Jones?

  I mean, after our first mission.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, definitely. But then, you know, Bob Lazar, when did Bob Lazar go public?

• 59:56Danny Jones?

  Eighty eight, I think.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Eighty eight or 84?

• 59:59Danny Jones?

  I believe it was 88.

• 1:00:02Danny Jones?

  Let's find out.

• 1:00:05Danny Jones?

  Eighty-nine.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Eighty-nine. So lots of time. Got lots of time to build that into your story, but I'm not saying that I disagree with everything Bob Lazar has said.

• 1:00:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  Maybe he did use a hand scanner.

• 1:00:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  Maybe the DOD at the time, now the DOW, had seen that film. We're like, that's a great idea. Let's build it.

• 1:00:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:00:28Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  So good. Science fiction is always going to include something. If, if it is good, that could be made in reality.

• 1:00:40Danny Jones?

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• 1:01:22Danny Jones?

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• 1:02:06Danny Jones?

  How come we can't win a war with Iran? Why aren't we using any of this stuff on the battlefield? Or maybe we are, and there's just like a crazy deception going on in the US media that is like painting a whole different narrative.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  Great question. I think because A, we probably don't have enough of the tech like.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  If there is something like Edgar Rothschild Fouchet had discussed existing, which is the TR-3B, which is a big black triangle, uses something called a magnetic field disruptor as its center engine that makes an object weightless up to 98, 99% of its mass.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  I think there's not enough of them to deploy it.

• 1:03:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  You know, and also that would make more sense to, you know, clandestinely build into drone technology.

• 1:03:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  Right? Why would you put a human into something that's gonna stop on a dime and then speed at like?

• 1:03:18Danny Jones?

  I don't think you would.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would just use computers because they don't need to feel inertia or, you know, you don't have to protect. So.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  But we haven't seen that, right? We've only seen conventional tech and people, poor dudes in the Navy, sitting on an aircraft carrier, some of them starving.

• 1:03:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  To fight out in the Strait of Hormuz right now, right? So, um, I think that's where a lot of this stuff does fall apart in the UFO community. Like you said, why aren't we using some of this stuff?

• 1:03:54Danny Jones?

  Maybe it's just like, if that technology is real, if we have figured out some level of anti-gravity or some kind of flying saucer that defies modern physics that we understand today. Maybe that's just an insane new physics that. Who knows if it was previous humans that got wiped out or like were a breakaway civilization? Or if it was a completely different species of something from another place that figured this out for the, for a different purpose, right? And then us apes, we get a hold of it and we're like, how do we strap a fucking gun to it? And maybe that just doesn't work.

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:04:34Danny Jones?

  Maybe there's no way to put a gun on it, you know?

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe as soon as you.

• 1:04:38Danny Jones?

  That's just the lens that we look at everything with. That's what all the money goes to.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Danny Jones?

  And everything, everything goes to war.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. If I have the biggest stick, no one's going to attack me type of thing. I mean.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  I don't agree with, um, the notion that Greer has spread for a while now that the only way to be an intergalactic or interplanetary species is to conquer your warlike tendencies. I think, uh, if we're talking about artificial intelligence, for example, which a lot of experiencers have.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  You know, you could chalk up their experiences as an abductee, for example. As being. A sentient life form that's non-human that possibly is AI-led, you know? Artificial intelligence, right?

• 1:05:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  So like a gray, you know, a lot of people have witnessed that. Or, um, I did a doc about Calvin Parker and Charlie Hickson called, uh, Pascagoula 73. It's like a four-episode, each one's about an hour long.

• 1:05:53Danny Jones?

  What's the story with that?

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Well, Charlie Hickson and Calvin Parker stated that they were abducted on October 11th, 1973. They were fishing on the Pascagoula River in Mississippi. And when I had first heard about this case, I was like, that's, that's wild. Like what if these, these guys really got picked up?

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  The interesting thing about their case is that there was all these sort of things that pointed to something happening to them, right? They had puncture wounds, which people typically abductees of wit have remarked. They've had scoop marks or, you know, places where genetic material was taken.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  They.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  Reported this incident to the air force. The air force said, we're not covering that since we closed our case on Project Blue Book. They called the sheriff's department.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  The Jackson County Sheriff picked them up and had them in an interrogation room at 11:00 PM that night. And they planted a, uh, tape recorder.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  Secretly under the table and recorded their whole conversation when Sheriff Fred Diamond and his personnel left.

• 1:07:20Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  And they were completely traumatized. Like these guys really were freaked out of their minds. Something happened to them, you know?

• 1:07:30Danny Jones?

  Is that audio available still?

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's in the documentary and I put subtitles and stuff on all of it because it was the.

• 1:07:36Danny Jones?

  So what were they saying when the officers left the room?

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Oh, they're like saying, you know, uh. Just, they were frightened. They were saying all kinds of stuff like they're going to think we're alcoholics. They're going to think we're crazy. No one's going to believe this, you know, things you would hear from a.

• 1:07:54Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Sane person that's worried about telling an insane story. You know what I mean?

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  And before the, uh, policeman leaves the room, he does say, have you guys done any drugs? Have you drank anything tonight? Like that type of thing. They're like, no, sir, no, sir, you know? But anyways, like that case is interesting and, and what they report is something robotic. Literally like floating robots, picking them up, taking them on board a craft. And then this examination happening in two different rooms.

• 1:08:30Danny Jones?

  Oh, Jesus, dude.

• 1:08:31Speaker 02

  And like, you know, they, these things didn't have eyes. They didn't have two legs. They just kind of had like these pincer-like appendages and they were floated aboard a craft and stuff happened to them for, you know, they think it could have been an hour, maybe two hours or something. Then they were dropped back on the riverbank and traumatized, freaked out.

• 1:08:56Danny Jones?

  What did they do to them?

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  Well, Calvin reported that he was.

• 1:09:01Danny Jones?

  These dudes still alive?

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Both of them are dead now.

• 1:09:04Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, um, interviewed the lead investigator of these cases, this guy named Philip Mantle, who wrote Calvin Parker's books. Philip is over in the UK. So I flew to the UK and interviewed him in his home. He's a bit older now. It's hard for him to travel and stuff. But, um, yeah, like. I had never knew, known this case to have a confluence of evidence before. I thought it was just those guys' testimony, but, um, you know, in documenting that story, I show that there was.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  All kinds of experience, like dozens of people that experienced the UFOs above Mississippi during, uh, leading up to and after the incident. So it wasn't like just these two guys that went fishing one night. It was literally like. Sheriff Fred Diamond himself published the newspaper that he saw the UFO activity leading up to that night.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Other police officers, there was a, uh, priest that was driving in their, his car with two other witnesses that saw this UFO fly over top of their car. There was, the Navy and the Coast Guard got involved because they saw an object glowing in the river and going out into the ocean around the exact same time. And there's a whole document that we published that show that they went up and they actually tried to poke it with a stick under the water. You know, everybody was mystified by this UFO phenomenon at that time.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  And it just so happened, two men were like, we were taken aboard a craft and examined at that time, you know? And that became the major story, but all these other witnesses leading up to and after were corroborating it, including, you know, the Coast Guard and such.

• 1:11:09Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  So skeptics have said, you know, it might have been a Russian submarine that those guys witnessed.

• 1:11:17Danny Jones?

  In the river?

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And that, and that like, that's Calvin Parker and Charlie Hickson were taken aboard that. You know, there was all kinds of skepticism published around it. Philip J. Class, you know, prominent UFO debunker of the time. So, you know, there's cases like that, that have more credence in history than the new age secret space program with the 20 and back, right? Cause there's literally, there, there was, there was even a UFO video recorded at the same time that this Pascagoula incident happened. It was not a video, it would have been a film, right? Cause it was the 1970s, but we published that also in the doc, so.

• 1:12:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah. When, when you have like everyday, like salt of the earth people, like living their normal lives, and then all of a sudden this crazy story pops up in their life where it's like, okay, this person has no connection to Hollywood. They don't make movies, they don't write books, they're not on TV all the time. That's probably more credible than somebody who is in that world, like the Wilcock and the other guy.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, these, uh, Wilcock was-

• 1:12:26Danny Jones?

  If you all of a sudden had this story, how you were abducted by aliens and you were gone, I'd be like, you're fucking full of shit. You're trying to make it, sell a documentary.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, pretty much.

• 1:12:34Danny Jones?

  That would be my initial like reaction to it.

• 1:12:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I think there, that that is like the perfect example. I mean, Corey Goode, this guy who said he was in this 20 and back mission storyline thing. He said he was picked up by a bubble and flown to a space station and met the Anshar and this like Galactic Federation. Galactic Federation is literally from Star Trek, you know, like words lifted right out of sci-fi. And then he proceeded to serve in this 20 year mission and he fought reptilians and

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  all this stuff. He was in underground bases, like his story, when it hit the scene, it seemed to marry all of these conspiracies that possibly do exist if you talk to Gerb, right? Like he's done serious deep dives on deep underground military bases existing. What they have there, what they're doing there, you know, we don't know.

• 1:13:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  But there's very good evidence that stuff, activity is happening there, right? Then a secret space program, Gary McKinnon says, you know, I saw stuff when I hacked into this server or servers. I think it's real secret space activity. The public doesn't know about it, therefore definitely a secret. But then you have these individuals that come out and get platformed on these massive like sort of new agey entertainment networks that's, that marry all of these conspiracies into one mega conspiracy.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  So, yeah, I think, uh, you know, obviously you know that I'm getting attacked right now by Corey Goode.

• 1:14:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah. He's taking down all your stuff.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:42Danny Jones?

  Copyright claiming it.

• 1:14:43Speaker 02

  He's copyright claimed-

• 1:14:44Danny Jones?

  Does he own the copyright to it?

• 1:14:46Speaker 02

  I think in the court of law, absolutely not. So what happened was every person that he's partnered with over his tenure of being in the UFO community, Leon Isaac Kennedy, Roger Richards Ramsour, Yvonne Youngblood, Jay Widener, who was the head of production at Gaia TV, you know, Jordan Sather, all of these people that at one time worked for him or with him on his projects, he ended up litigating.

• 1:15:26Danny Jones?

  Oh, nice.

• 1:15:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. And in 2022, this court case was well underway between Corey and Leon Isaac Kennedy, Yvonne Youngblood and Richard Ramsour as defendants. Corey was claiming defamation and attempts of embezzlement and, and all this stuff of his money for his secret space program documentaries and, and productions he had put on. And a deposition video, a legal video was recorded in 2022 by the defense team, which is Leon Isaac Kennedy and his lawyer, Landon Webb.

• 1:16:12Danny Jones?

  Okay. I remember that he was wearing the glove.

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  He's wearing like a Michael Jackson type wrist glove or something like that. And in that six hour deposition video, Landon Webb puts it to him, have you ever been to space? And he says, no, I've not been to space.

• 1:16:28Danny Jones?

  Not in my physical body.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:16:30Danny Jones?

  Consciously, yeah.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. Which is not his original story. And that, that's why when you look at these 20 and backers, a lot of them don't have consistency to their story, which should be a red flag to normal people, but-

• 1:16:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  So many people get swept up in believing it. And Corey recently made a documentary with this Canadian guy, Jason Wan Lim.

• 1:16:56Danny Jones?

  How recent?

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  2025.

• 1:17:00Danny Jones?

  Wow. This guy's still, still at it.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. And he used some of that deposition video, which is not his. It was recorded by the defense team of Leon Isaac Kennedy, Roger Richards Ramsour and Yvonne Youngblood in 2022. And in December 22nd of 2025, Corey filed a copyright certificate for Corey Goode 2022 deposition video, claiming he created that video. When you, when you file a copyright, you're just paying the copyright office and saying, you know, this is, this is mine.

• 1:17:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  But-

• 1:17:44Danny Jones?

  Which is not nothing. If you're the first one to do it, that's definitely something.

• 1:17:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:17:49Danny Jones?

  But in a court of law, technically the person who recorded that video owns that copyright by default.

• 1:17:55Speaker 02

  Yes. And further to that, under federal law, if a court case video, a deposition video become, becomes public, like gets published online, YouTube, which Stephen Cambian, who's a podcaster that runs Truth Seekers, he published that deposition video in 2022 to his YouTube channel, saying like, you know, this is it, guys. He's admitting, showing everything. I'd become aware of that and that's when I was making Dark Alliance to kind of like tell this whole story of all these people tied up in this feud.

• 1:18:38Speaker 02

  And so when a video that's part of a court proceeding gets published online, it becomes fair use material, it becomes public domain. And he's just creating a copyright on a video he didn't create.

• 1:18:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  And claiming that's mine.

• 1:18:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  And then getting, and then filing that to Tubi TV, he did it to me, Amazon, to my distributors who have been partnered with for years, trying to like erode the, you know, relationship I have with a film production company I've been dealing with for over four to five years. Claiming that the video was stolen from him. And it's insane, dude. Like, he also filed these copyrights on YouTube and had my trailers taken down.

• 1:19:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So the way, if I'm aware, if I'm, if it's still the way that it used to be, if I remember correctly, the way it works on YouTube is basically anyone can file a copyright takedown on any video they want. They have to fill out an explanation of why it's their copyright. And then what happens is it automatically takes that video down.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:19:56Danny Jones?

  So the person who uploaded it, then the ball's in their court. They say YouTube gives them two options. Option one, this is a takedown, the video's down or whatever. Or you can challenge this and you can basically say, uh, this is wrong or this is false or whatever. And then that person who originally filed the copyright takedown has 30 or 60 days to file an actual lawsuit.

• 1:20:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Danny Jones?

  And if they don't file the lawsuit, the video goes up.

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:20:24Danny Jones?

  Goes back up.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, they have to prove in a court of law that they, that their copyright is real and that they are the proven original creator and, you know.

• 1:20:35Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Can, can prove that it's their video.

• 1:20:37Danny Jones?

  And then whenever the outcome of that lawsuit happens, then YouTube has to be notified about what the outcome was and then they'll.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Then they'll take it down permanently again, right? But, you know, I can read you an email. If, I don't know what the rules are, but I, I might as well just make this public because it's, it's the truth, right? This is the, the character we're dealing with here. So he wrote this to my distribution partner and me, thinking that this would be a good idea. This is how delulu this person is.

• 1:21:13Speaker 02

  Hello, Darcy. I am writing regarding your counter notification concern regarding Dark Alliance and the use of footage from my registered audio visual work. The deposition of Corey Goode, 2022, US copyright registration number PA 2-574-667. We are currently exploring federal litigation concerning the specific uses of the copyrighted deposition footage. If the Dark Alliance films containing that material are not removed or the copyright issue is not authorized, um, otherwise resolved.

• 1:21:53Speaker 02

  I understand the, the position you have taken through the Film Hub counter notification. Your counter notification states you, you give consent to jurisdiction in the US District Court of, for the Central District of California and will accept service of process concerning this dispute. Okay. So he's like basically starting the threat, right? Like I'm.

• 1:22:20Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  Now, now he's pivoting to, oh, well, you're going to say you'd go to California and fight this legally. We may allow Film Hub's current DMCA deadline to elapse while the litigation strategy is finalized. And I, if appropriate, initiate a new enforcement process after a federal action has been filed by me or the appropriate and/or the appropriate associate media companies. Nothing about allowing the present Film Hub deadline to expire should be interpreted as a waiver, abandonment, or concession concerning my copyright or the dispute disputed uses of the deposition footage.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  I also want to make you aware, the copyright litigation against Stephen Cambian concerning alleged unauthorized uses of copyrighted material is being pursued in the United States. In addition, I understand the multiple legal actions are being pursued or prepared by various parties concerning conduct associated with individuals and groups that have harassed David Wilcock and me. Those matters are separate from the specific copyright dispute between you and me. But I want you to understand the broader legal environment in which these issues are now being addressed.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  That said, I would prefer to find a mutually beneficial solution, resolution with you rather than add another lawsuit if that can be reasonably avoided.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  This is where he shifts to extortion. Proposed license resolution. I am willing to discuss granting your company a license covering the deposition footage used in Dark Alliance documentaries, subject to mutually accepted written terms. Rather than asking you for a conventional licensing payment, I would be interested in discussing an exchange of media rights and access that could potentially benefit both of us. Specifically, I would like access to the full catalog of interviews and original interview footage produced for the two Dark Alliance documentaries.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  To the extent you control the necessary rights to license that material. We are developing a television series for which portions of relevant interviews could be potentially useful. The series is being handled by a professional product, production company, blah, blah, blah. But basically he's starting to say, I want to take all of your interviews that you conducted through the Dark Alliance documentaries and use them in my documentary.

• 1:25:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  Like trying to extort me for stuff I filmed that's all my actual, uh, property and that I've gotten released for, like legitimately. When I got that deposition video, I interviewed Leon Isaac Kennedy and he's the originator of that deposition video.

• 1:25:36Danny Jones?

  Right. And what did he say to you about this footage?

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  Leon signed off. He let me use his interview. I gave him, I gave him cut, a cut of the documentary and said like, this is your interview. This is the footage that's around it. He reviewed that and then said, I give express.

• 1:25:53Danny Jones?

  So if this gets litigated, this guy's got your back.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like if this gets litigated in the federal court, like.

• 1:26:01Danny Jones?

  Which it won't.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  I would bring all of my documentation and on top of that, I had a copyright for my film, which included the footage before he even created his film in 2025.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  I created my film in 2024 and then the subsequent, subsequent, uh, Dark Alliance Next Generation film in 2025, previous to him even releasing his delulu doc about harassment and, you know, being in a secret space program.

• 1:26:34Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah. People, some people are just shitbags.

• 1:26:39Speaker 02

  It's crazy, dude. Yeah. And like,

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  I figured that telling this story would be of service to the community, right? To people that are trying to navigate conspiracies intellectually and avoid the bullshit, you know? But, um, this is what this person does. Like it's his MO. He's sued everybody, like Jay Widener. He's in a huge case against Gaia right now. Claiming that they're part of a, it's a Rico lawsuit, like a racketeering lawsuit that he started against them. Which I think is a world's first in the UFO community.

• 1:27:25Danny Jones?

  Hold that thought. I gotta pee real quick. We'll be right back.

• 1:27:29Danny Jones?

  This whole scene, this whole UFO scene has been overwhelming for me. And, uh, it's nice to be able to take a step back from it for a while. And try to get like a big, a big picture view of this sort of like maze that this thing is because to navigate it is really is difficult. You know, it's just, it's just a maze of just slop and lies. And there's a lot of truth in there somewhere, I think.

• 1:28:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:02Danny Jones?

  And, um,

• 1:28:04Danny Jones?

  a lot of things are true. I mean, I think, I think this, whatever this, whatever the reality of this whole phenomena is, I feel like it's probably multiple things, um, happening at once. And, you know, the, the part of it that, that really gets me curious and gets me interested is the, the whole like consciousness aspect to it all. You know, I had, um, Peter Labenda in here and I was asking him, I was like, you know, he's a historian of like occult stuff and, uh, and like the early sort of like occult, occultists in America

• 1:28:45Danny Jones?

  and like the religious people and the Freemasons that got into NASA and how that all spun off into all of these weird secret programs. And I asked him, I was like, I was like, if you were in charge, I'm like, how would you try to explore this and find out what the reality of it is? And he said he would take all of the experiencers.

• 1:29:08Danny Jones?

  And he said he would basically deconstruct their consciousness, like take apart the radio and figure out like what's going on inside the consciousness of these people. To figure it out because he thinks it's, he thinks it's somehow it's consciousness based.

• 1:29:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think

• 1:29:26Speaker 02

  without, you know, having, uh, watching that interview with him, I could kind of surface layer say he's saying.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Uh, experience is subjective, right? And each experiencer may have different things at play within their own body and their mind that are creating their own subjective experience that's unique.

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• 1:30:56Speaker 02

  Some people might be hallucinating. Some people might be on drugs. Some people, you know, might have some kind of form of psychosis. People forget about, like, there is all kinds of real, um, medical conditions and, like, real world situations where people see things that are not real. You know what I mean? And, um, some people might be, you know, a scammer or whatever.

• 1:31:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:32Speaker 02

  There's a... So those are like the negative ways to look at it. But then for the small fraction of people that have had a physical sighting or experience that has happened in their reality, that's not, um, affected by the negative interpretations of what, what they saw or experienced, um, those are the cases we should litigate, we should really try to understand more about. And, um, you know, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, before he passed, he did a, this, this study called the FREE study, F-R-E-E. I don't know if you can look that up.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  I, I can't remember what it, um, but it's all experiencers. And, um, out of all those experiencers, these are like abductees, um, close encounter type people, near-death experience people. I think about 80% of, I think it's 3,000 cases that they looked across, most of the, uh, people encountered humanoids, like grays or what people would describe as Nordics,

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  which, you know, if you're saying Nordic, a blonde, fair-skinned humanoid with blue eyes, that's, that's a human, right? Just a human doing something that's extremely advanced, you know, like operating UFO and so on and so forth.

• 1:33:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:17Speaker 02

  Which makes me think, you know, are we, is that person, um, interpreting that interaction with a Nordic, uh, as an alien experience, but really it's a human from the future? Like, do we end up creating portals and time traveling and stuff like that? Like, I'm open to that, especially with the advent of AI accelerating all technologies at the same time.

• 1:33:50Danny Jones?

  Study conducted by Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation into extraterrestrials and extraordinary experiences free, represents the first comprehensive investigation on individuals who have reported to have had various forms of contact experiences with non-human intelligent beings associated with or without, uh, an unidentified aerial phenomenon. Our research methodology utilizes two comprehensive quantitative surveys, totally 554 questions administered in subjects with reported non-hypnotic memory recall of their experience.

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, so they didn't have hypnosis. They were like lucid individuals reporting something physically that happened to them, you know? Or their mind going somewhere, uh, outlandish, right? In a near-death experience, many people state that they've seen a non-human entity, you know, when they get to a, a different realm.

• 1:34:49Danny Jones?

  They have like religious overtones or undertones to those, those experiences. Those near-death people, a lot of them, they explain them in religious ways.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, and some people have done, uh, SALVIA, where they've, uh, done, uh, what do you call it? What did Rick Strausman test with the spirit?

• 1:35:11Danny Jones?

  DMT?

• 1:35:12Speaker 02

  DMT. And they've seen grays.

• 1:35:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  Like, why is that a common occurrence when people do DMT?

• 1:35:20Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:35:21Speaker 02

  Is there something that does exist here in our plane of reality?

• 1:35:26Danny Jones?

  That we just can't see?

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  We can't see.

• 1:35:28Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:35:28Speaker 02

  You know? Cause the human perception is limited, both, you know, electromagnetically and visually, right? The human eye can only see to the, to, uh, the red spectrum and to the far purple spectrum in color. Beyond that, you've got ultraviolet and you've got infrared and then all these other radio waves that we can't detect or see. But NASA and all these other, uh, agencies and stuff are able to peer into that world using technology.

• 1:36:04Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:36:04Speaker 02

  Whether that's forward-looking infrared, video camera, uh, tech, or, um, ultraviolet video tech, like not, uh, in secret space UFOs and in the Fast Walkers documentary that I created, um, we look at NASA proclaiming, when they're on STS space shuttle missions, that we are now using our GLOBE camera, which is a, our new experimental, um, ultraviolet vision camera in space. And the reason why they were using that is to see stuff that we can't see normally.

• 1:36:48Speaker 02

  And also, cause like, when you're looking at a porthole or into space, everything is black. The earth has blue, right? And, and some color coming off of it.

• 1:37:02Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  But, you know, there's extreme saturation. You can't really pick out things, right? Distances and where objects are.

• 1:37:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:37:12Speaker 02

  Because it's so vast, once you look away from earth. The, um, ultraviolet camera is able to see stuff that's close up, far away, miles away, you know? Stars that are sitting there and then objects that are moving in between.

• 1:37:31Speaker 02

  And in that doc, we looked at all these UFO cases, like, uh, you know, even STS 29, you hear, um, astronaut John E. Blaha claim on a NASA downlink feed, which is like a public, um, television, radio, um, feed that people are listening to, NASA, we now have an alien spacecraft under observance. So that happened.

• 1:38:02Danny Jones?

  They said that?

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  Johnny Blaha said that. He claimed he never said that post-mission.

• 1:38:10Speaker 02

  And when NASA was asked about it, they said, oh, no, that was not our astronaut. We don't know what that was, but it was on their feed. It was recorded on their feed and we know Johnny Blaha's voice to sound just like that.

• 1:38:28Danny Jones?

  What was he, what was his, what was he doing? Johnny Blaha, what was his specific, like, title? Or like his?

• 1:38:33Speaker 02

  He was an astronaut.

• 1:38:34Danny Jones?

  He was an astronaut.

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  He was in space at the time.

• 1:38:37Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  On STS mission 29.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  So, you know, the space shuttle missions were, we had space shuttle, that was Discovery, I think. And we had Columbus, that burned up, that blew up in the atmosphere. We had Endeavour, um, we had Atlantis, um, and we had the Challenger, which also blew up.

• 1:39:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  So there was all of these space shuttle missions that were also used to deploy new scientific technology into space and test out things in that environment. But to build the International Space Station, they would send up parts in those bays that are in the shuttle, they'd open them up and a big piece would come out and they would connect that to the ISS.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  But yeah, there was all of these UFO cases that happened.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  Um, you know, STS 80 is like a huge UFO video that people have litigated over the years, where you see these objects that look almost like a donut, uh, near to the camera that fly into view, uh, down below over the earth's atmosphere. And they literally create a big circle formation together.

• 1:40:05Danny Jones?

  Is this him?

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think I found the soundbite.

• 1:40:07Danny Jones?

  Oh, you did?

• 1:40:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, cool. Let's hear it.

• 1:40:13Speaker 03

  Turned astronaut.

• 1:40:16Danny Jones?

  Put the headphones on, you can hear.

• 1:40:17Speaker 04

  This is a discovery, we still have the alien spacecraft under surveillance.

• 1:40:24Speaker 03

  Astronaut.

• 1:40:27Speaker 04

  This is a discovery, we still have the alien spacecraft under surveillance.

• 1:40:34Speaker 03

  The astonishing admission of a UFO in close.

• 1:40:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's like an early case, STS 29, but STS 80, there was a huge like UFO formation in this ultraviolet light spectrum camera footage that I was talking about earlier. STS 115, those astronauts, there's a really cool case that we show in my doc, which I think you have the link, it's a YouTube link, you can just pull it up if you want.

• 1:41:08Speaker 02

  But these astronauts literally track a triangular formation UFO going over all these different windows of the spacecraft of the shuttle and they're reporting it back to Houston.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  They were really curious about it and this is like on live public, you know, being aired.

• 1:41:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we kind of like cover a whole bunch of these different cases that happened during the space shuttle era that point to something anomalous that even NASA is picking up, but every time they've been questioned about it, they say, oh, it was space ice, it was debris,

• 1:41:58Speaker 02

  that was nothing burger, you know what I mean? So I do wonder if NASA knows a great deal about UFO activity outside our planet and on our planet, that they're not honest about, you know, that even their astronauts have proclaimed like back during the Gemini missions, Frank Borman saw something, he called a bogey during Gemini seven, James McDivitt tracked a UFO and recorded it during Gemini four.

• 1:42:35Speaker 02

  The list goes on, there's a guy named Leroy Chow, who was on the STS missions in the 2000s, he saw a triangle object go right over him when he was doing a spacewalk.

• 1:42:49Speaker 02

  You know, in, in, outside, in, in naked space, so it's like so many of these astronauts claim to have seen stuff, then kind of redact or like change their story a little bit. I spoke to John, James Fox about his encounter with Buzz Aldrin.

• 1:43:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  So Buzz Aldrin, during the Apollo 11 mission, he and Neil, they were all like on the way to the moon, they're in cis lunar space and they saw a bright object kind of keeping pace with their craft off in the distance.

• 1:43:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:43:40Speaker 02

  People speculate that it followed them to the moon and there's a guy named Ken Johnston Jr. who worked for NASA and he said that he saw negatives and unpublished recordings of the astronauts talking about an alien spacecraft being on the other side of a crater when they were on the lunar surface.

• 1:44:07Danny Jones?

  I remember that.

• 1:44:09Speaker 02

  That's kind of a hard one to prove, but you know, this is another guy from NASA that's kind of like a whistleblower.

• 1:44:15Danny Jones?

  Wasn't Neil Armstrong also doing a bunch of weird stuff after that, like he went to go explore those Teos caves and like he became very interested in, what was the story with the Teos caves, I don't remember?

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not actually 100% sure on that story, is that like the gold tablets or the, some kind of, some weird, like ancient library of information that seemed kind of like out of place in time? Yeah, but the thing with him and regarding James Fox, when I interviewed him, I basically begged him over like the course of a year to meet up with me, because I was making this doc.

• 1:44:56Danny Jones?

  Who, Buzz Aldrin?

• 1:44:57Speaker 02

  James. I met up with him in LA and he told me how when Buzz Aldrin first came public and was talking about, see, he changed his story, he started saying in, I think the seventies and eighties, yeah, like we did see a UFO on the way to the moon and then later on, he didn't want to talk about it, but before that, James contacted him, he was touring a book in Europe, he was in Monte Carlo at the time, which is extremely expensive, you

• 1:45:38Speaker 02

  know, fancy area in Europe and he agreed to meet James Fox for an interview about this UFO story and when James flew over there with the crew, was staying in Monte Carlo, which you know, hotels.

• 1:45:54Danny Jones?

  He flew there just because he said he was gonna meet him, right?

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. He goes to the hotel the day of and apparently this sort of like evasive game was going on for a while, like he arrived there and when they were supposed to do a recording, Buzz kept postponing it, not today, not today, tomorrow, maybe the next day and finally the day that he said, yeah, yeah, okay, I'll meet you like in the late morning, he goes to Buzz's hotel and Buzz called down to reception and the French receptionist said like, Monsieur

• 1:46:34Speaker 02

  Fox, Buzz is on the phone for you and he took the telephone and Buzz just said, I'm canceling the interview, I don't want to do this, people are gonna think I'm crazy, I'm trying to get money for a civilian space project, you know, kind of like Virgin Galactic back then and I don't want this getting in the way of that, so I'm canceling the interview and he was, you know, begging him like, come on, man, like you're an authority on this subject if you verify that that actually happened to you on the way to moon, people will take this seriously and UFOs are considered, you know, not real to a lot of people in the

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  public and he said, you know, I'm just not willing to risk that, so he canceled the interview.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  And I think that's like a perfect example of secret space activity, you know, like stuff happening in our space history that's conventional space history that also has

• 1:47:44Speaker 02

  anomalous phenomenon that's associated with it.

• 1:47:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man. Yeah, so many, there's so many like compelling angles to, to this that I think about all the time and you know, one of the things that I think about when it comes to stuff that you're explaining that like doesn't make any sense, like, like how the fuck could there be these triangle crafts that are out there hanging out loitering between Earth and the moon, right, which is like, that's right in our vicinity, like something's hanging out there, whether it's us or whether it's something else we don't understand and like one of the things I always go to is like, is it possible that the same way we exist

• 1:48:29Danny Jones?

  here on, in this timeline, on a podcast, you just flew here from, you know, fucking Canada yesterday and this is gonna be seen by like hundreds of thousands of people on the internet, well, we know there's lots of technology that we're using, at the same time, there's naked people running around in the jungle, so if you leap from, from the naked people to us, is it possible that there's another leap from us to something just equally as more advanced as us that we don't really, we aren't really aware of at a high level that's operating here that, who knows, maybe it's, maybe they're exactly the same thing as us, they're just, I don't know, remnants from some ancient civilization that have made it and figured out a way to be undetectable?

• 1:49:12Speaker 02

  That's the whole breakaway civilization sort of theory, right, that there's ultra terrestrials, there are humans that are so far advanced from us, but they were broke, they broke off and they kind of developed at a higher rate, separate from our society, right? And, you know, Michael P. Masters and some other Harvard scientists published that paper not too long ago about this sort of crypto terrestrial, ultra, ultra terrestrial theory, right? And that also leaves room for, do we develop time travel?

• 1:49:56Speaker 02

  Do we develop sort of cybernetic capabilities for a certain group of humans here on Earth that are flying around UFOs as well?

• 1:50:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:50:12Speaker 02

  And they're convincing experiencers, I'm a Nordic, you know what I mean?

• 1:50:18Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  Because they don't want to out that they're actually us, but way more advanced.

• 1:50:22Danny Jones?

  And wouldn't that also square with the correlation between UFOs shutting down nukes and stuff like that?

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't want to, just, they don't want us to destroy the Earth.

• 1:50:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:50:32Speaker 02

  Right, like, because they are us and they're trying to like stop a cataclysm event taking place and destroying this amazing planet we live on, so it's like, it all makes sense to me.

• 1:50:47Danny Jones?

  If chimps all of a sudden got their hands on machine guns, like we would intervene.

• 1:50:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, be like, okay, they're gonna shoot themselves, right, in their chimp area, but um, yeah, I don't know, it's like, it's all speculation, but I kind of come back to theories like that because it's not too far fetched, right?

• 1:51:08Danny Jones?

  And the whole evolution angle that Michael Masters explains is brilliant, I think, because the way he says that, you know, if it was an extraterrestrial that evolved on a different planet with different oxygen, different atmosphere, different radiation levels, different uh, gravity, he's like, there's almost impossibility that they would evolve to be, you know, bipedal hominids with the eyes directly in front of their face, like, it would most likely be, because most of the habitable worlds that we're aware of are water worlds.

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, that's true.

• 1:51:38Danny Jones?

  So they wouldn't, they would not likely look like human beings.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, um, that's, that's a interesting aspect of that theory, but also like, uh, the Drake equation, which was created by Sir Francis Drake, states that in our galaxy alone, there has to be like, I think, 11 million habitable planets that are in the Goldilocks zone, which is like Earth, that are rocky, that also have an atmosphere with a sun like ours, which is, yeah, liquid water. So not like water worlds. These are like, like Earth, in which life could evolve. And then beyond that, um, you know, have they evolved, created

• 1:52:26Speaker 02

  technology, survived past their destructive phase, and been able to traverse the galaxy, you know, become interstellar. So, you know, scientifically, it's right there, that it's possible. So I'm like, open to the extraterrestrial visitation theory, right? I just think that it's not the wooey version that we all hear about, like, in the UFO community, because I think what's happening is people that, people are so keen to know the answer to this question, right? Like, you want to know the truth, I want to know. There's people with greater

• 1:53:09Speaker 02

  minds than us that are trying to figure it out, too. Um, and there are people that see that opportunity and want to exploit it. They want to say, I know the truth. Forget about, like, the question. The answer is me. Follow me. And that's where you get people like Corey Goode, Michael Sala, and the list goes on, that basically claim they know everything that's going on. And actually, you know, something that's interesting that's going on right now, that I thought we could bring up, because we were talking about, like, why

• 1:53:51Speaker 02

  aren't, why are the Americans not deploying, like, triangle UFOs on Iran? There's actually this crazy UFO video that's out right now of a triangle UFO over Iran.

• 1:54:03Danny Jones?

  Is this, I think I saw Alex Jones post this.

• 1:54:05Speaker 02

  A whole bunch of people are talking about this.

• 1:54:08Danny Jones?

  Find this on X, Steve.

• 1:54:11Speaker 02

  But apparently, there was a statement today.

• 1:54:13Danny Jones?

  You can find it on Alex Jones's X, or if you could just search it on X.

• 1:54:16Speaker 02

  You could just search, "Triangle UFO Iran," and it'll, you'll have a million sources for it, I think. But, um, so, at first glance, to me, that looks like a glare. It looks like an object that's being recorded on a window, and that structure and light, no, that's not it.

• 1:54:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:54:42Speaker 05

  It's popping up a lot.

• 1:54:43Danny Jones?

  Is that it?

• 1:54:44Speaker 05

  It's the same, this is the same thing, is that just?

• 1:54:46Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:54:48Danny Jones?

  This is April.

• 1:54:52Speaker 05

  It's funny, those are all the same.

• 1:54:55Speaker 02

  There, that's it. Alex Jones, yeah.

• 1:54:57Danny Jones?

  Trump has released, okay, Alex says, for a fact, uh, has, oh no, he's asking a question, I'm sorry. "Has Trump released secret weapons technology against Iran to intimidate them? Tehran panics as giant crafts float silently over the city. Alex Jones reveals what's really going on with this potentially massive Project Blue Beam rollout."

• 1:55:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:21Danny Jones?

  So this is the footage from Iran, right here?

• 1:55:23Speaker 02

  Right here. So this is.

• 1:55:25Danny Jones?

  It's not a triangle.

• 1:55:26Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, it kind of goes.

• 1:55:28Danny Jones?

  It's like a half moon.

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  Right. I don't know. So.

• 1:55:31Danny Jones?

  It's moving very slow.

• 1:55:32Speaker 02

  People are claiming that that is a glare, that's actually being recorded on a window from within, you know, either an apartment or a car, and that glowing object, because what you can do, right, to create an optical illusion, you can, I can aim, aim a camera this way, I can create.

• 1:55:53Danny Jones?

  Well, that thing's moving pretty fast, though.

• 1:55:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's, the thing is, that there's multiple videos of a triangle, um, over Iran that are being released. And then, yes, I read before I came in here, that, um, an administration claimed that those are real. So.

• 1:56:11Danny Jones?

  Who claimed they were real?

• 1:56:13Speaker 02

  I think that Trump's administration claims that these are legit UFO videos.

• 1:56:18Danny Jones?

  Can you find this?

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. So.

• 1:56:21Danny Jones?

  Can you find, can you find, uh, Trump is saying that this is, that Trump talking about Iran UFO?

• 1:56:28Speaker 02

  Or something, some statement, maybe not Trump, but his administration has made a statement.

• 1:56:32Danny Jones?

  Or just go back to.

• 1:56:33Speaker 02

  Just say, just say, "Trump administration, Iran UFO legit." Legit is what I read in some headline. Um, yeah, legit is, is the kind of like, major thing. But, um, we were just talking about triangles possibly being created by the American industrial military complex, military industrial complex in the past, that could eventually be deployed on places like Iran. Why are they not deploying it?

• 1:57:09Danny Jones?

  Because they can't put a gun on it, but they don't need to, if they could scare the shit out of you, I guess.

• 1:57:12Speaker 02

  What if, what if some of this shit that's coming out right now, is literally, literally the Trump administration posturing that tech? I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:57:24Danny Jones?

  Can you close out of this window, uh, Steve, this with, this video?

• 1:57:30Danny Jones?

  And then click on the comments. I want to see the comments on this video. Maybe they asked, like, add some, usually, usually, no, no, that's, you clicked on, post a comment. Yeah, just click right there. Nope, nope, click in the black area to the left. Right, right there, yeah, there you go. Scroll down. Scroll down. There you go. Keep going. See if there's any, like, grok.

• 1:57:53Speaker 02

  John Hutchison.

• 1:57:55Danny Jones?

  Okay. Can you go in the search bar to the top right? Type in Iran UFO.

• 1:58:01Speaker 02

  Legit.

• 1:58:02Danny Jones?

  Legit.

• 1:58:06Danny Jones?

  Okay. Congressman Tim Burchett says the Iran UFO is legit. He said that? Oh, look. Okay, click on this little, this little video clip.

• 1:58:14Speaker 02

  Benny Johnson, yeah, okay.

• 1:58:16Danny Jones?

  Let's listen to this video clip. Is this a source, Benny Johnson?

• 1:58:19Speaker 06

  They're not in some, uh, somewhere from, well, they're always V8. I always have the, have a hard time wondering why something would travel light years and have to have our, have to have lights on it in the first, you know, in the first place, if in fact they're traveling light years, if they're not in some, uh, somewhere from this world, which I.

• 1:58:41Speaker 02

  Look at the amount of tabs that guys.

• 1:58:43Speaker 06

  You know, I don't know. We're seeing more and more of this stuff because, because of social media, but I can't imagine some hoaxer in Iran, with everything going on, is doing something like this. So, um, I just don't know. That's the question.

• 1:58:59Speaker 07

  Is Trump messing with them?

• 1:59:02Speaker 06

  Uh, it could be. It could be. It could be a psy-op for them, wondering what in the world's going on that, you know, that's sort of like, um, what Reagan did to the Russians when he said, you know, Star Wars, because we didn't have it. But they just, they, they, they flipped out, they threw down all their dollars, or their, whatever they used, Drachmas, or whatever they used, and they, and we bankrupted them right then. And that's what ended up causing the Cold War to end. And.

• 1:59:28Speaker 07

  We found the original post here. We found the guy. He, he's, he shows up, he's legit. There's not a community note on this, right?

• 1:59:34Speaker 06

  No, it's legit. I agree. It's legit. It's something up there. It's just, what is it? And I just, I just wish we could get more.

• 1:59:42Danny Jones?

  Rewind a little bit, Steve, so we can pause on that guy's tweet.

• 1:59:44Speaker 07

  The guy, he, he shows up.

• 1:59:47Danny Jones?

  Pause.

• 1:59:48Speaker 02

  September 20th, 7:30 PM.

• 1:59:50Danny Jones?

  Go back.

• 1:59:51Speaker 02

  I filmed.

• 1:59:52Danny Jones?

  Right there, there you go.

• 1:59:53Speaker 02

  Unknown celestial objects. I really don't know what it is, but it was near the clouds, had special lights, and was hovering in the space without any sound.

• 2:00:04Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's apparently multiple videos that are coming out of Tehran showing this.

• 2:00:11Speaker 02

  And I don't know, might it might lend credibility to our conversation earlier that there, there is stuff within the American arsenal that is sitting there being wait, like waiting to be used for whatever this is. Is it a psyop? I don't know.

• 2:00:30Danny Jones?

  Go back, Steve. Let's find, let's see, let's see what else we can find other than this Tim guy talking to Benny Johnson.

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  But interestingly enough, actually back in 1976, in September, actually of 1976.

• 2:00:45Danny Jones?

  That's gotta be fake right there.

• 2:00:46Speaker 05

  It's gotta be. Yeah.

• 2:00:47Speaker 02

  It looks like AI.

• 2:00:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:49Speaker 05

  That's the same video.

• 2:00:53Danny Jones?

  Keep scrolling.

• 2:00:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. So September of 1976, there was actually a Tehran UFO incident that involved two F4 fighter jets being scrambled to intercept a UFO that emitted another UFO.

• 2:01:15Danny Jones?

  Is that your boy?

• 2:01:17Speaker 02

  That's my boy on redacted. Yeah. Yeah. So.

• 2:01:23Danny Jones?

  Sorry, Tehran, 1976?

• 2:01:25Speaker 02

  In Tehran during the nighttime of 1976, I believe it was September also. So it's weird that this is happening again. This was back when Iran was actually friendly with the United States. It was before the Ayatollah and the sort of Islamic regime took over. There was a UFO that lit up the sky over the city. Thousands of people saw this. The Air Force scrambled two F4 fighter jets. This is super well documented. And Brigadier

• 2:02:03Speaker 02

  General Youssef, who at the time was flying one of them, flew within about a two mile radius of this thing. All of his instrumentation shut down. He couldn't even pull the ejection seat. He couldn't fire his weapons on this thing. That's what he was meant to do. Because it was in restricted airspace and they were like, what the hell is this? And, you know, air traffic controllers came forward. There was an old television show called Sightings, which I included really small clips in my documentary, Secret Space UFOs, Fast Walkers.

• 2:02:44Speaker 02

  And, you know, James Fox even covered this case. This is like a real UFO case where thousands of people witnessed this. When this UFO emitted a tinier UFO, it landed on a mountain. Tehran is surrounded by mountains.

• 2:03:02Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:03:03Speaker 02

  And the whole city blacked out, like the electricity shut down.

• 2:03:08Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:03:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. And the American Air Force flew over there that week to be debriefed on what happened from the Iranian Air Force. Because they were like, this wasn't us. Who was this? There's a guy named Ron Riguerre, who worked for the company that was managing the defense satellite program in the seventies and the eighties and nineties for the DOD. The DSP satellite system was created to look back at Earth and monitor for missile launches

• 2:03:47Speaker 02

  and stuff from like China, Russia, whatever. This is the middle of the Cold War. And the DSP system picked up an object coming from deep space that night and going to Tehran.

• 2:04:03Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:04:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. I featured it. I think there's a clip for that. You can, you can pull it up.

• 2:04:13Danny Jones?

  So real quick, but yeah, let's definitely go to that. But what is this saying right here? This is saying that the same bow shaped light object has been seen all over the world? And I just said, I ran in Argentina from 2010 to 2017. There's five different videos of that same light pattern.

• 2:04:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I mean, like, obviously, there's been tons of triangular sort of formation objects that have been seen, even the Phoenix Lights, right? Which was a massive.

• 2:04:49Danny Jones?

  Like a boomerang?

• 2:04:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, like triangle. But that thing was supposedly like a mile long.

• 2:04:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:00Speaker 02

  It went over Arizona and Nevada and blocked out the stars. Or some people said that they could see the stars through it.

• 2:05:08Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:05:09Speaker 02

  But, you know, I talked to Michael Schrad about that case, and he said he talked to pilots that were, that flew out to intercept it that night, and it was massive. And it spooked the crap out of them. Check engine, ABS or maintenance light on? Take the guesswork out of your warning lights with O'Reilly Veriscan. The service is free and provides a report with solutions verified by ASE certified master technicians. And if you need help, we could recommend a shop for you. Ask for O'Reilly Veriscan today.

• 2:05:46Speaker 02

  So, and that case was really well documented, again, by James Fox. Thousands of witnesses, right? 1996, I think that happened.

• 2:06:04Danny Jones?

  Sounds right.

• 2:06:05Speaker 02

  Hovering silently, the size of a football field. Like, how do you even do that?

• 2:06:10Danny Jones?

  We had a guy on here, psychic spy, David Morehouse, who was showing us real photos of giant balloons, the exact shape of those Phoenix Lights.

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  Jeremy Reese has talked about this with me, too.

• 2:06:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:26Speaker 02

  It could be a high altitude balloon, right? But the thing is with those, those are operating like at almost at apogee, which is like between space and our atmosphere, right? They're not hovering right over the mountains of Phoenix, Arizona.

• 2:06:45Danny Jones?

  Okay. Well, maybe we were just launching them into the atmosphere then, you know, like maybe that was when they, maybe they left some secret base or something and then we launched them and that was like their trajectory to outer space.

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  I think like, it's possible that people can misidentify. Yeah, but that, that, look at the shape of that. That's like a narrow triangle.

• 2:07:04Danny Jones?

  That one, yeah, they might, I mean, but it's so close, right? Like, look at that. Look at, that's the, that's, I mean, maybe, who knows? It's definitely similar.

• 2:07:12Speaker 02

  That's not a football field size. But it is, I get what he's trying to say with that theory. There, there's definitely a possibility that some of this stuff people have seen is, is that, and they misidentify it for sure, right?

• 2:07:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:07:30Speaker 02

  But that night, I don't think the Phoenix Lights was that, in my opinion, right? I think it would have been, and why would you, that doesn't even have lights on it.

• 2:07:41Danny Jones?

  Like, that one does not.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  The, the Phoenix Lights, if you go to the original footage of that, Chris, it's Matt, like it's.

• 2:07:47Danny Jones?

  Steve.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  Steve, sorry, buddy. It's like literally covering the whole horizon line of.

• 2:07:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's a lot bigger. Yeah, that's pretty big. I mean, at least from this video, it looks bigger. It's really hard to tell because it's so.

• 2:08:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, once you see all the lights going across, it, it's pretty big.

• 2:08:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, that's a lot bigger than those balloons.

• 2:08:14Danny Jones?

  Did you find the thing in his documentary where he's talking about that Tehran?

• 2:08:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. You can even, yeah.

• 2:08:20Speaker 05

  No, I'm trying to find which link you're, you're referring to.

• 2:08:26Speaker 02

  It should be the first link, actually. Secret Space UFOs, Fast Walkers.

• 2:08:31Speaker 05

  Oh, the Fast Walkers. Okay.

• 2:08:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:33Danny Jones?

  So I heard that Fast Walkers could also be underwater.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  Um, no, that's fast movers.

• 2:08:39Danny Jones?

  Fast.

• 2:08:40Speaker 02

  So the Navy supposedly has their own secret program that catalogs, catalogs USO activity as a fast mover. Because, so Navy submariners, one of the major staff that's on the bridge of, of a submarine is called a.

• 2:09:10Speaker 02

  Well, you've got like the XO who's managing things and you've got a sonar guy who who's basically listening to everything and monitoring the traffic around. So they know biologics down there. They know the enemy arsenal. They know what another submarine would sound like with their pings and so on, so forth. You know, they're looking for ocean mountains so they don't collide. All that type of stuff.

• 2:09:38Danny Jones?

  Didn't they actually run into a mountain once?

• 2:09:40Speaker 02

  They did. Yeah, I think it was the USS San Francisco.

• 2:09:45Speaker 02

  But essentially,

• 2:09:50Speaker 02

  there have been cases. Mark D. Antonio, a friend of mine, gave me his testimony. I think it was in the 90s. He wouldn't tell me exactly, but I'm, you know, trying to do, figure out, decode these things. He was invited to take a ride on a submarine at the time. And he saw a sonar operator freak out at something that was moving above 300 knots, which we don't have anything known, you know, public in, in,

• 2:10:28Speaker 02

  in the oceans that moves underwater faster than, let's say, 40 to 50 knots. That's a submarine size, right? Because you just have a large object, an ocean, like ocean water in front of it, and that is creating greater friction than the atmosphere, right?

• 2:10:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:10:50Speaker 02

  So you have ocean drag and you got personnel, like if you hit something, also, it's going to be way worse for the personnel onboard if you're going over 40 or 50 knots. That's like the top limit of what we know.

• 2:11:06Danny Jones?

  What's the top speed of nuclear submarines today? Do you know?

• 2:11:09Speaker 02

  40 to 50 knots.

• 2:11:10Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:11:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Unless they create some kind of device that, I mean, like torpedoes could go much farther, faster than that, because they created super cavitation.

• 2:11:19Danny Jones?

  How much, how fast does a torpedo go?

• 2:11:22Speaker 02

  I think about 170 miles per hour, something like that.

• 2:11:25Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:11:27Speaker 02

  Which in knots is, I'm not quite sure how many knots that is, but um, you know, the Russians have super cavitation on their torpedoes. We do. Many, I'm sure the Brits do.

• 2:11:44Danny Jones?

  45 to 60 knots. And they said this thing was going 300 knots past a submarine.

• 2:11:50Speaker 05

  Well, this also says with specialized rocket powered cavitation, they can go up to 200 knots.

• 2:11:54Danny Jones?

  Oh, oh, could have been a missile that missed them.

• 2:11:57Speaker 02

  Well, I don't think it was because they were just in friendly waters, you know, doing a, a normal, you know.

• 2:12:06Danny Jones?

  That's the only other plausible explanation. I mean, that's the only rational thing.

• 2:12:10Speaker 02

  That randomly a torpedo from an unknown submarine. I mean, it's not, I think what the point of that story is that there are things that are operating in our oceans, just like UFOs in the sky can, that are moving at speeds well beyond any technology that we have.

• 2:12:30Danny Jones?

  I'm so frustrated that we haven't had, you know, we have all these whistleblowers, but we don't have any of the submarine guys talking. I imagine there's been so much shit that they've seen down there.

• 2:12:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. And they're, like, my friend, Rob Jones, who's the producer for Ross Coldheart's News Nation, he's a Navy submariner, and they swear an oath. They can't talk about the stuff that they did or saw when they were on a submarine. Those are super classified missions, right?

• 2:13:05Speaker 02

  And I, and I think.

• 2:13:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Gerb was telling me that the Office of Naval Intelligence is like the closest thing to the UFO. Like they, like, they are the ones that are close, like the most closely tied and connected to this whole thing.

• 2:13:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. People have speculated that the Navy has been the tip of the iceberg in terms of NASA space secrets as well, because, you know, formerly during the Gemini, the

• 2:13:39Speaker 02

  Apollo and a lot of the STS missions, the pilots that were picked for that, like the astronauts, all came from the Navy.

• 2:13:49Speaker 02

  Oh, he's playing.

• 2:13:50Danny Jones?

  Oh, you're playing videos.

• 2:13:50Speaker 02

  He's playing this.

• 2:13:51Danny Jones?

  I hear it in the headphones.

• 2:13:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it was covered by CNN and all that stuff. He's playing some of that. But yeah, essentially, there's a Yusef.

• 2:14:01Danny Jones?

  All right, leave this queued up. We'll finish what we're saying, but we'll, we'll keep this, uh, keep a pin in this. We can come back to this.

• 2:14:06Speaker 02

  Or Jafari, Parviz Jafari, my bad. So

• 2:14:13Speaker 02

  the, what was I saying?

• 2:14:15Danny Jones?

  Uh, you were, you were talking about the Office of Naval Intelligence and how close they're tied to the UFO program.

• 2:14:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. So like, many of the astronauts that were picked were Navy guys, right? Aside for three astronauts, like Frank Borman was an Air Force guy. The Air Force were not the guys that got to go fly in space. The Navy guys were, yeah. And I think that like also kind of blends, it allows conspiracy about the Navy having this Solar Warden submarine program in space theory to have legs, because there's a reality that the Navy is definitely part of this UFO, USO, space UFO cover up.

• 2:15:13Speaker 02

  But yeah, there's just no proof that we have Solar Warden or Dark Fleet or any of these things that came out of like Super Woo Land.

• 2:15:25Danny Jones?

  There's also people that think that we have like undersea bases that like these submarines can like pull into without surfacing.

• 2:15:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure. I mean,

• 2:15:35Speaker 02

  I spoke to Richard Souter.

• 2:15:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, such a guy.

• 2:15:40Speaker 02

  He wrote three different books. I think one of his books is actually called Hidden in Plain Sight. It goes by the same title as Ross Coldheart's book. And he talks about, you know, under mountain, underground, deep underground military bases that would have been built all around the world by

• 2:16:01Speaker 02

  the Americans and even the Brits. The Brits had the UK contracted illustration artists and stuff to create deep underwater military bases in the 1960s where they would park their submarines and stuff like that.

• 2:16:19Danny Jones?

  It seems like a very logical thing to do.

• 2:16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, and that was the 60s. I, I doubt that they haven't utilized that, you know, strategy to some point. And again, with the USO question and the fast movers.

• 2:16:36Danny Jones?

  You're hidden from satellites? Like, imagine all the advantages.

• 2:16:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Unless the satellites using some kind of a.

• 2:16:43Danny Jones?

  X-ray?

• 2:16:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, like using.

• 2:16:46Danny Jones?

  How do you see through the ocean?

• 2:16:47Speaker 02

  Well, and that, and that's the thing too. Like, I don't think Chris Mellon likes me that much because I ran into him at a,

• 2:16:56Speaker 02

  what's it called? The,

• 2:17:00Speaker 02

  uh, this conference that happens every year that's like scientific coalition SCU. I went to the Toronto SCU conference and I introduced myself and he immediately knew who I was.

• 2:17:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:17:15Speaker 02

  I think it's because when Jason Sands first came out, I think Chris Mellon was the guy that was pushing James and

• 2:17:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:17:23Speaker 02

  all these people to put

• 2:17:26Danny Jones?

  Jason Sands.

• 2:17:26Speaker 02

  Jason Sands in the program.

• 2:17:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:29Speaker 02

  So when I introduced myself, he was just like giving me the dead fish handshake and stuff. But um,

• 2:17:38Speaker 02

  you know, Chris Mellon has gone public and said, there's a mountain of UFO satellite 4K imagery, both video and picture evidence of these craft operating around our planet. I believe that.

• 2:17:57Danny Jones?

  I believe that too.

• 2:17:58Speaker 02

  Like, I think that the NRO, the National Geospatial Agency, NASA, the Department of War, formerly DoD, all of these like different space-based United States Space Command, now Space Force, they would have tons of that stuff. They know what's going and, and going to and from our atmosphere.

• 2:18:29Speaker 02

  I would love to see some of that stuff, you know? Why, why is, if the tranches are releasing information that show all kinds of UFO activity, most of it's been like FLIR camera, right? I don't know if you've looked at any of the previous tranches, but like Tranche 2, Tranche 3, they showed really cool, like.

• 2:18:53Speaker 02

  What you would consider orb or disc shaped looking craft. Flying like there's a the instantaneous acceleration video from 2022 over Syria. Or was it 2021? That one's really interesting. You see this disc in FLIR. For about 20 seconds, somebody's isolated it. And then it just shoots off, right? That's anomalous to me. Um, there's another really cool like gun camera footage. Of an object that looks round. That's going underneath over top of the clouds underneath this crap aircraft. And then underneath it and shoots off.

• 2:19:39Speaker 02

  I posted that on my Instagram and stuff, but. They're showing FLIR stuff, but why don't they release stuff that Chris Mellon is talking about? That's from space, you know? That's 4K quality.

• 2:19:52Danny Jones?

  Has someone ever asked him that?

• 2:19:54Speaker 02

  Well, who, no one knows who's in charge of these trance releases, right? Like, who are the people that are?

• 2:20:03Danny Jones?

  Same people who are in charge of dropping the Epstein files.

• 2:20:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. I mean, how do we trust? Their ability to scrutinize footage properly, as I said, there is stuff in the tranches that literally looks like total BS.

• 2:20:18Speaker 02

  And then there's other stuff that looks real. So.

• 2:20:22Danny Jones?

  I think Kurt Metzger was right that the whole point of the Artemis missions was for them to take the real Epstein files to the moon and put them on the dark side.

• 2:20:31Speaker 02

  That's, I like that. I like that.

• 2:20:34Danny Jones?

  All right, let's listen to this. This is from your documentary talking about this Iran UFO.

• 2:20:39Speaker 02

  Encounter, yeah.

• 2:20:43Speaker 07

  Took place in Washington and the cast of characters was almost strangely well, conventional. One of the believers, this retired Iranian air force pilot said he saw UFO while flying.

• 2:20:54Danny Jones?

  It looked similar to a star, but bigger and brighter.

• 2:21:00Speaker 07

  General Parviz Jafari says he tried to fire a missile, but much of his plane became inoperative.

• 2:21:04Danny Jones?

  All the instrument was fluctuating, the radio had garbled even. I couldn't have communication. My pilot in my back seat was operating the radar.

• 2:21:15Speaker 07

  None of your equipment worked, your missiles didn't work. Do you think it's because this was an alien from another world? You're sure of that?

• 2:21:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm sure. At about 11:00 PM on the evening of 18th September, 1976. Citizens were frightened. By circling of an unknown object over Tehran, the capital city of Iran. At a low altitude, it looked similar to a star, but bigger and brighter.

• 2:21:43Speaker 03

  In 1976, a massive UFO sighting took place in Iran. This UFO sighting was also picked up by the DSP satellite system as a fast walker.

• 2:21:55Speaker 04

  All of a sudden I see this flying object just going around and around and around and going up and up and up. And I told my mom, I said, Mom, I just saw a flying saucer. I saw a UFO. I was going to prepare myself to shoot it down.

• 2:22:11Speaker 03

  This UFO event was witnessed by hundreds of people in the night sky. Civilians, pilots, generals, and the unerring eye of the Iranian air force radar operators.

• 2:22:21Speaker 04

  When I saw this object is flying that fast, then I thought this is not a helicopter and this is not an aircraft. By that time I said, oh, should be some kind of UFO.

• 2:22:31Speaker 07

  So I picked up the phone and it was a base commander. He wanted me to know they are going to have the airplanes to take off from his base for the scramble mission.

• 2:22:42Danny Jones?

  He alerted the air force command post and deputy general Yusef decided to scramble an F-4 jet to investigate it.

• 2:22:51Speaker 07

  I saw a big star among the other stars, which it was at least twice as large as the normal stars.

• 2:22:59Danny Jones?

  The pilot in the first jet lost instrumentation and communication. When he got too close to the brilliant object, so he headed back.

• 2:23:11Speaker 07

  We lost communication and I heard nothing from the pilot. So I was so scared. What's going to happen and what happened to the pilot?

• 2:23:21Speaker 03

  Suddenly, Major Joffre nervously reported that a smaller UFO had emerged from the larger object and was trying to engage him.

• 2:23:32Speaker 07

  And it was coming toward them. They tried to shoot them down. When they squeezed the trigger, it didn't work. And the trigger was inoperative. They couldn't shoot the missiles.

• 2:23:44Speaker 03

  Fearing for their lives, the pilot tried to eject, but the ejection did not work either. Every system was inoperable.

• 2:23:52Speaker 04

  We understood that the ejecting instrument also doesn't work. So in this case, I said to God, oh, God save them.

• 2:24:05Speaker 03

  The pilot had no choice but to go into negative G force to escape the seemingly hostile UFO encounter. When the fighter jet evaded the smaller UFO by 10 miles. All onboard instruments and communications were restored to their working order. The pilot then reported that the UFO seemed to be landing on a mountaintop just southeast of Tehran. This landing was confirmed by the radar tower and Brigadier General Yusef witnessed it from his balcony with his own eyes.

• 2:24:35Danny Jones?

  One of the separated object landed in an open area, radiating a high bright light in which the sands on the ground were visible.

• 2:24:46Speaker 07

  He went down and landed on the ground. And now it is a communication between the mothership and that small flying object.

• 2:24:59Speaker 03

  Following the smaller UFO landing, the air force and many civilians reported power outages, which shocked military personnel in awe of these events taking place.

• 2:25:11Speaker 04

  That was strange for us and we asked each other why the power went out for some seconds.

• 2:25:18Speaker 03

  A top secret meeting between Imperial Iranian Air Force and the United States Air Force took place soon after this event. Hussein Peruzzi, an air force controller at Mirabut Air Force Base, was present at this meeting.

• 2:25:30Speaker 04

  They heard our report and the report of the pilot. They concluded that no country is able to have such a technology. And all of them believed it should be a strange object from other spheres.

• 2:25:53Danny Jones?

  That's freaking nuts. Okay, this is the DSP satellite system. What's the story of the satellite system?

• 2:26:01Speaker 02

  Well, it's muted, but um, yeah, so.

• 2:26:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, look, Bob McGuire.

• 2:26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I interviewed him before he blew up.

• 2:26:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I made that dog back in 2020.

• 2:26:18Speaker 02

  Two years, I like started shooting it in 2020. And I released it in 2023, but um, yeah. Basically, I'm going through chronologically since the early 1970s, right through to the 2000s, all these space based. UFO encounters like, like I said, the STS missions and stuff. But that was a case that coincided with readings. Unknown sort of fast walker, space based readings that came from the defense satellite program.

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  And that was leaked by a guy named Ronald Riguerre that worked for the company that was. Like monitoring all the DSP activities.

• 2:27:04Danny Jones?

  Private company.

• 2:27:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it was called. Aerojet, I can't remember. There's so much shit moving around in my brain, but uh. But they're a California based company that he worked for and um, yeah, like.

• 2:27:21Speaker 02

  When they. When that encounter happened over Iran in 1976, September, which is the same month that this thing is happening.

• 2:27:29Danny Jones?

  2026.

• 2:27:30Speaker 02

  But in 2026.

• 2:27:33Speaker 02

  The DSP program reported an object coming from deep space and entering the Earth's atmosphere over Tehran.

• 2:27:42Danny Jones?

  And why would they let that come public, though?

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  It was leaked by Ron Reger. Yeah, it was not because it came from a third party company, which I'm just gonna call Aerojet right now because I can't remember.

• 2:27:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:27:56Speaker 02

  By somebody who worked.

• 2:27:58Danny Jones?

  Aerojet Rocketdyne?

• 2:28:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:02Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:28:03Speaker 02

  I think so, yeah. Because it was leaked, like, and it wasn't from the government themselves.

• 2:28:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:12Speaker 02

  You know, like Lou Alzondo or David Rush, then they didn't really have much scrutiny over it. It was just like a private company's data that went public regarding a UFO incident.

• 2:28:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:26Speaker 02

  So, yeah, crazy stuff, dude.

• 2:28:30Danny Jones?

  That is freaking crazy, man.

• 2:28:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:32Danny Jones?

  But like, also, they could just do that shit with lasers as well, right?

• 2:28:37Speaker 02

  You mean Project Blue Beam?

• 2:28:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:40Speaker 02

  I think.

• 2:28:41Danny Jones?

  Stuff. So like the, I don't know, I mean, we've done that stuff according to TD Barnes. Like, he was doing that stuff at Area 51.

• 2:28:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:51Danny Jones?

  You know, there's been like declassified stuff that, for example, that that plan that they had to project a 3D version of Jesus Christ over Havana to tell the people of Cuba to revolt against the government.

• 2:29:03Speaker 02

  Didn't happen.

• 2:29:04Danny Jones?

  Didn't happen, but like, they had, they must have had the technology if that was a plan for them to do. And I'm sure that, I'm sure they do have some sort of technology like that.

• 2:29:12Speaker 02

  So, what people don't realize, and they can look this up, that whole like Project Blue Beam thing that was a major speaking point for Stephen Greer for many, many years, like over a decade, the fake alien invasion that was coming via laser, you know, cloud projection show.

• 2:29:34Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:29:35Speaker 02

  That started from a Quebecois, French-Canadian guy named Serge Monast. You can look this up. He was the guy that said that they were gonna fake a second coming of Jesus with Project Blue Beam, and that would be after the alien, the fake alien invasion battle that happened. Serge Monast was, like, insane.

• 2:30:04Danny Jones?

  Really? So that's not real, the fake alien or the fake laser Jesus?

• 2:30:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not real.

• 2:30:09Danny Jones?

  Type that in. We, I thought we fact-checked that before.

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  Serge Monast created that conspiracy theory. It's completely unproven.

• 2:30:17Speaker 05

  I mean, this is just what the Google says.

• 2:30:19Danny Jones?

  You're asking it about Blue Beam?

• 2:30:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's Project Blue Beam.

• 2:30:23Danny Jones?

  Project Blue Beam conspiracy theory did not originate, did originate from Canadian investigative journalist and conspiracy theorist Serge Monast. Okay, now, ask it, where did the

• 2:30:40Danny Jones?

  the Jesus projection over Havana story come from?

• 2:30:46Speaker 02

  I think somebody co-opted Serge Monast's story, and that was Stephen Greer, one of them.

• 2:30:52Danny Jones?

  The Jesus projection over Havana story originated from a declassified US Cold War documents detailing a bizarre psychological warfare proposed to fake a second coming of Christ to overthrow Fidel Castro. So, declassified US Cold War documents.

• 2:31:08Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:31:08Danny Jones?

  Origins of the proposal, Operation Mongoose, Air Force Brigadier General Edward Lansdale and other US planners developed extreme and eccentric schemes under the anti-Castro Cuba project in the early 1960s. The second coming plan documents revealed a proposal to spread rumors that Fidel Castro was the Antichrist, followed by staging a fake second coming of Christ using a submerged US submarine projecting star shells, images, and amplified sound off the coast of Cuba to spark popular uprising.

• 2:31:43Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 2:31:44Danny Jones?

  The Church Committee declassified this. That's fucking, it's real.

• 2:31:48Speaker 02

  So, so, that's a document, and that plan possibly existed, but this is a perfect example of the woo crowd in the UFO community, taking a document that existed and then echoing that story and saying, Project Blue Beam is the plan to recreate an alien invasion with this tech that they had in the 1960s. There's no proof that they actually had the tech.

• 2:32:18Danny Jones?

  This just says they wanted to project images.

• 2:32:20Speaker 02

  They wanted to, right?

• 2:32:22Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:32:22Speaker 02

  Did they have the technology to do that, right? Like, that's the, the whole other part of this scenario.

• 2:32:28Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 2:32:28Speaker 02

  And why haven't we seen it play out, right?

• 2:32:31Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 2:32:33Speaker 02

  Since, since the 1960s. So, yeah, I mean, read up about Serge Monast and what his version of that, and then compare that to what Greer and his whole group has been saying forever, you know?

• 2:32:51Danny Jones?

  The fake alien invasion thing is like, it's wild. There's, there's a, have you heard Annie Jacobsen's story about Roswell with the guy who told her the story for the end of her Area 51 book?

• 2:33:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, and she, she also says that it was a Russian psyop, right? And that there was like little midget.

• 2:33:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:13Speaker 02

  People put inside of a craft and.

• 2:33:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the story was that it was a craft sent over by Stalin, and inside the craft there were disabled children that were surgically altered by Mengele, the Nazi. And it crashed, and then this EG&G engineer, who was one of Annie's sources for the book, told her that, that's what it was. He told her that story, and she's like, why, why would the US keep this a secret? Why wouldn't they just tell the truth? This would make Russians look terrible. And he said, the reason that we didn't say anything is because we were tasked with trying to do the same thing with disabled children in the United States. And

• 2:34:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:34:01Danny Jones?

  Then, so, so this is a guy who was like, one of the people, he was called the Trigger Man. So he was one of like, the most important people in the Nevada, Nevada desert. He pulled the trigger on like, all of these nuclear detonation tests.

• 2:34:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:34:14Danny Jones?

  And super high level EG&G guy. He was like a hero amongst his peers in Las Vegas in this community.

• 2:34:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:34:21Danny Jones?

  And so, when he told Annie the story,

• 2:34:28Danny Jones?

  the family called her back after she published the book to go visit their home in Nevada. So she flew, this is all according to her. She flew back to Nevada to meet with the family, and there was the wife and the daughters of this man, Alfred O'Donnell, his name was. And she sat down in front of Alfred O'Donnell and his family, and then the wife said to Alfred, tell us what you told Annie was a lie. And then he said, it's true. And according to him, the reason he told Annie was because one of his grandchildren was born with a genetic defect.

• 2:35:03Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 2:35:03Danny Jones?

  And only lived to like four or five, and then died. And he thought that was God's way of punishing him for what he did in those child experiments when he was working for EG&G.

• 2:35:14Speaker 02

  That's insane. That, that's like, well, I mean, insane if it's true.

• 2:35:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:35:20Speaker 02

  It's like, scary.

• 2:35:22Danny Jones?

  So why, my question is, why would this guy

• 2:35:27Speaker 02

  create that?

• 2:35:29Danny Jones?

  To his own reputation? It's reputational.

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  Is his name published in the book?

• 2:35:34Danny Jones?

  Not in the book, but it is now that he's dead.

• 2:35:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:35:37Danny Jones?

  So.

• 2:35:38Speaker 02

  But he didn't really.

• 2:35:39Danny Jones?

  He was.

• 2:35:39Speaker 02

  He didn't really.

• 2:35:40Danny Jones?

  He was an anonymous source in the book.

• 2:35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then he died and, and, you know, so it's not like reputational, because he never had to be.

• 2:35:48Danny Jones?

  Because he wasn't public when he said it, right? Yeah, that's a good point. That's true.

• 2:35:52Speaker 02

  What I'll say.

• 2:35:52Danny Jones?

  Also, George Knapp interviewed him.

• 2:35:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:35:55Danny Jones?

  And he told George Knapp it was aliens.

• 2:35:58Speaker 02

  So fuck.

• 2:35:59Danny Jones?

  And then he told George Knapp, why, why'd you tell Annie Jacobsen something else? And then, according to TD Barnes, that he said, she just kept pestering me for a juicy story. And I finally gave her one.

• 2:36:09Speaker 02

  So you already got the answer, man.

• 2:36:10Danny Jones?

  I don't know which one's the right answer. I'm just saying, this is, this is all hearsay from, from all parties.

• 2:36:15Speaker 02

  Well, okay, I'll just say that, you know, I haven't, I respect.

• 2:36:19Danny Jones?

  I can understand why TD Barnes would say that.

• 2:36:20Speaker 02

  I respect Annie Jacobsen. I really love, like, her research into Project Paperclip and Project Allos, which was like, us going over there and seeing the secretive rocket program, underground bunkers that they were using and.

• 2:36:41Danny Jones?

  Area 51?

• 2:36:42Speaker 02

  No, in Germany, in Poland, I think. The Germans were having Jews like, create, you know, as slaves and doing this like crazy research. And Americans through Project Allos went over previous to the World War ending and had like, kind of infiltrated and figured out all this stuff that, you know, Werner von Braun and his people would have been conducting in the years leading up to the World War ending, but. Um, that's one source. He's obviously contradictory. How can you trust him if he tells George Knapp?

• 2:37:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:37:24Speaker 02

  The alien story and then tells her this

• 2:37:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:37:27Speaker 02

  congenital defect.

• 2:37:30Danny Jones?

  And also, why would you need an AG, an EG and G engineer who's fame, who's known for detonating nukes to perform surgery on disabled children?

• 2:37:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kind of like-

• 2:37:43Danny Jones?

  Seems like you wouldn't use EG and G to do plastic surgery on kids.

• 2:37:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it just seems-

• 2:37:47Danny Jones?

  Although we do have evidence that they were, that the US did do crazy evil experiments on disabled children with plutonium. Like, that was declassified. And who knows what their kind of fucked up experiments would be done on kids?

• 2:37:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not discounting that, um-

• 2:38:02Danny Jones?

  But you're right, I agree.

• 2:38:03Speaker 02

  Fringe science is evil and sometimes has

• 2:38:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:06Speaker 02

  done horrible things, right? But I would say, you know, uh, if you look at researchers, um, what's his name? Who's done like such a deep dive on, on the Roswell crash? Uh, Ryan Wood? Have you ever spoken to Ryan Wood? Can you check out Steve if Ryan, if I'm getting this right? Ryan Wood? I think he-

• 2:38:33Danny Jones?

  Ryan Wood, Roswell.

• 2:38:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, he, you know, has basically, and Stan Friedman is one of these guys too.

• 2:38:40Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:38:41Speaker 02

  They uncovered like hundreds of witnesses that were part of the, uh, crash retrieval cleanup. They were cleaning up the debris in the, the desert.

• 2:38:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:52Speaker 02

  A nurse at the base that saw the, the bodies. Um, you know, you've got the day after Roswell from Colonel Jake Corso.

• 2:39:03Danny Jones?

  Ryan Wood.

• 2:39:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, so Ryan Wood has done amazing research and it just shows all of the data that, that kind of like builds up a case that something really crashed there that was not a weather balloon, that wasn't Operation High Jump, uh, that involved multiple bodies that seemed to be non-human in, in, you know, look, but were hominid. So it comes back to Michael P. Masters, you know what I mean? Like, why would these crashed aliens look like humanoids?

• 2:39:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:39:42Speaker 02

  You know? Um,

• 2:39:46Speaker 02

  people said, you know, some of the witnesses said that they looked kind of human,

• 2:39:52Speaker 02

  but were shorter and were, you know, bald and had big heads and bigger eyes, right? So that's, that also lends to the idea that we were talking about before that maybe we're looking at something that is a breakaway civilization, right? That is not exactly what you and I are, but they're advanced. Um, and they're operating an advanced craft that we don't have in our arsenal.

• 2:40:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:40:22Speaker 02

  Um, it also makes one wonder if we have, if, if these space, these like-

• 2:40:30Danny Jones?

  Also, look at all, sorry to interrupt you, but look at all like the fish that live really deep in the ocean. They'll have giant eyeballs.

• 2:40:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's, okay, so the point, the point of giant eyeballs in a really low light environment is to absorb as much light as possible.

• 2:40:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:40:48Speaker 02

  Right? Some of those fish don't even have like, um, skin as we would know it, you know, like, don't have like-

• 2:40:56Danny Jones?

  Scales?

• 2:40:57Speaker 02

  They don't have scales. They're just like a gelatinous blob with an eye.

• 2:41:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  So it can see through its own membrane to see other predators and stop swimming around it, right? Um, so yeah.

• 2:41:09Danny Jones?

  If, if, if human beings a million years ago were forced to move under the ocean, would they evolve to have those big eyes like that?

• 2:41:18Speaker 02

  I think that's sort of questioning is, is a different direction. Like, it shouldn't have, I think the ocean would be, if they did have some kind of command and, uh, control, some kind of base down there or whatever, it would be to out, be out of sight and out of sound of

• 2:41:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:41:41Speaker 02

  the regular terrestrials that are here on the planet, on the surface. Um, but, you know, this is all hypothetical. I don't know it to be true, but I would state that, um, if they're using advanced technology, how do we know they're not using advanced AI, advanced genetic manipulation and all these things that we would consider fringe science because they're not being used today, um, on a global scale.

• 2:42:10Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:42:11Speaker 02

  But they're allowed to conduct rogue science and change their bodies and, you know, um, modify themselves and, and do whatever they want because they're not, they're not us.

• 2:42:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:42:29Danny Jones?

  It's interesting, man. I don't fucking-

• 2:42:31Speaker 02

  Anything's possible.

• 2:42:32Danny Jones?

  Anything is possible. You know, the other connection though, the other interesting thing about Roswell is that that was near nuclear stuff, right? It's a nuclear base.

• 2:42:42Speaker 02

  Well, it's near, uh, where the Manhattan Project

• 2:42:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:42:46Speaker 02

  was being conducted.

• 2:42:47Danny Jones?

  And there's the correlation with all the UFOs.

• 2:42:49Speaker 02

  Los Alamos.

• 2:42:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:51Danny Jones?

  And the correlation with all of the UFOs and new, like the nuclear connection is just undeniable.

• 2:42:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:56Danny Jones?

  So why would, you know?

• 2:42:57Speaker 02

  And even submarines, most of them that are like-

• 2:43:01Danny Jones?

  Nuclear submarines?

• 2:43:02Speaker 02

  Nuclear submarines.

• 2:43:03Danny Jones?

  Onboard.

• 2:43:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, they got warheads and nuclear engines.

• 2:43:07Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:43:08Speaker 02

  It's like, so no brainer, maybe that's why they're seeing a lot of USO activity. I don't know. But, um, I'm gonna go to the washroom and then want to talk about, uh, Nazca mummies?

• 2:43:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, let's do it. We'll be, we'll be right back. Nazca mummies.

• 2:43:25Speaker 02

  We're back.

• 2:43:26Danny Jones?

  Are they real? What are Nazca mummies?

• 2:43:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:29Danny Jones?

  I saw Jesse Michaels documentary. It's very interesting. I've seen a lot of videos on the Nazca mummy stuff. Um, and a lot of people think it's real.

• 2:43:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:43:39Danny Jones?

  And then also, okay, I'll just let you go on this. I'll have a question. I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask you some questions.

• 2:43:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, you watched the doc, right?

• 2:43:46Danny Jones?

  I did.

• 2:43:46Speaker 02

  And you thought it was pretty funny?

• 2:43:47Danny Jones?

  It was a hilarious, very unique documentary. It was a, basically like a trolling documentary.

• 2:43:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, but backed up with all the evidence of what's happened.

• 2:43:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you told the story nicely. Yeah.

• 2:44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:02Speaker 02

  So

• 2:44:04Speaker 02

  Jesse, I admire for his showmanship and his ability to fly down to Peru and, and investigate the, these things himself. But I reached out to him directly and said like, hey dude, like, these things are a hoax. And, you know, I've spoken to multiple people that have done the same thing as you, and they've seen the evidence that these things are being built. They're being constructed in Peru for the international, you know, UFO and, uh, let's say like ancient history anomalous public, right?

• 2:44:48Speaker 02

  Because it's a huge, it's a huge thing now.

• 2:44:51Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:44:52Speaker 02

  Um, and I introduced him to Steve Mara. In his documentary, I think the only speculative or like sort of, uh, negative thing that he covered about the Nazca mummies at that time was the J-type, uh, mummies, which are like the obvious super small like bone doll type things.

• 2:45:15Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:45:15Speaker 02

  Um, those on the right, yeah. Which look like they're made with Play-Doh and bones. But, um, essentially, he, he said that, you know, Steve Mara did his investigation too. And, um, he didn't cover all of what Steve Mara did. So Steve Mara drove, uh, flew down there and he conducted a full investigation. He heard about the Wakaros, which are the grave robbers. Um, and if somebody wants to watch a really in-depth coverage of the sort of grave robbers side of the story, I encourage people to go to, uh, William Brown's Incredible

• 2:45:59Speaker 02

  History. He has a YouTube channel and he and another guy who also does like history and, um, megalithic stuff and all kinds of like, uh, sort of anthropological history stuff, um, documentaries on YouTube and stuff. Um, they did a deep dive on this and they covered it well, forensically, and they used people that are doctors in the field of, uh, X-ray technology and all that stuff to look at the dicom images and, uh-

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  You know, deduce from looking at that with a professional background in radiography or um, understanding of anatomy, what was going on with these bodies, right? Not the J type, the J type were obviously like

• 2:46:55Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:46:56Speaker 02

  Complete constructions that still today Jaime Mauson and that whole Nasca mummy cartel claim are aliens. But um, Maria, the bigger body, right? Which is like a human body that's kind of in a

• 2:47:14Danny Jones?

  Is this the pregnant one?

• 2:47:16Speaker 02

  No, that's, that's another one of the sort of like more J type size that has eggs in the abdomen.

• 2:47:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So the one that Jesse, I remember Jesse talking about in his documentary was the one that was pregnant.

• 2:47:30Speaker 02

  Oh, yes. And it also had three, a three fingered fetus or something like that, right?

• 2:47:36Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 2:47:36Speaker 02

  Which, you know, uh, you can also

• 2:47:43Danny Jones?

  That one.

• 2:47:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's not Maria, but Maria's the same size. So if you look at the hands, for example, see how the hand is turned inwards towards the body?

• 2:47:54Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:47:55Speaker 02

  All of these three fingered larger specimen, like if you, you can also look up Maria, um, if you want, for example.

• 2:48:04Danny Jones?

  Ask a mummy's Maria.

• 2:48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. They always turn the hand inwards, right?

• 2:48:10Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:48:11Speaker 02

  Because if you look at your hand, uh, your palm

• 2:48:15Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:48:17Speaker 02

  Has almost an equal size to your fingers.

• 2:48:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:48:20Speaker 02

  Right? What they do with these hands, they cut down through the palm because your, your fingers kind of extend, see how you can articulate your palm like that?

• 2:48:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:33Speaker 02

  That goes right down to your wrist joint. And what these guys do is they cut off the thumb, they cut off the pinky finger and they cut down through the palm right to the wrist to make the fingers look super alien and long. The, the three middle fingers that are left. So that thing has a wrist and three fingers, which anatomically does not make any sense.

• 2:48:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:48:59Speaker 02

  You have to have a palm.

• 2:49:00Danny Jones?

  They cut off the palm.

• 2:49:01Speaker 02

  They cut through the palm. Yes. Right? So it's fake. And the reason why they turn it inwards is so you don't realize you're not seeing a palm. If you look at like, um, I think the other ones, the smaller cadavers are called like Joseph or Josephina and something else. They're also a larger humanoid.

• 2:49:30Speaker 02

  But their hands, there's the egg one that's obviously fake, fake, fake, fake.

• 2:49:37Speaker 02

  Different bones.

• 2:49:38Danny Jones?

  Is it wearing a bra?

• 2:49:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's got like a metal plate that's braced, keeping the, the thing together, basically.

• 2:49:48Speaker 02

  But even those little ones, they keep the hands, why are the hands never facing outwards? It's because they don't, they don't want, they want to create the illusion that there's still a palm there, there's no palm.

• 2:50:03Speaker 02

  But yeah, so.

• 2:50:04Danny Jones?

  So how do they, how do they do the one with the pregnant one with the fetus inside?

• 2:50:07Speaker 02

  Well, that, that one right there, the little one, the whole thing is a construction. It's arms, it's head. They just shoved eggs into the abdomen and covered it up with skin, right?

• 2:50:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. The, the one you're talking about with the fetus that also has three fingers.

• 2:50:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:50:25Speaker 02

  People hypothesize that they found a fetus within the body that they're also doctoring up. They cut, they cut the little fetus's fingers off, right? And left the three in the middle.

• 2:50:40Speaker 02

  But there's the Adacama mummy. But yeah, essentially, the way I got involved with this, I was making some documentaries in interviewing Jaime Mauson back in 2018. And I've covered some good things he's done for the UFO community in terms of like covering UFO phenomenon from Latin America.

• 2:51:07Speaker 02

  And, and creating an audience for this subject, taking it seriously. But when I was down there, uh, with my, my then girlfriend, now wife, she's Mexican. So she was speaking Spanish to one of the guys that was in his office at the time, waiting for him, because I was working with him and this guy was like in a waiting area. His office is at the, his like studio is at the bottom of a shopping mall in Santa Fe, Mexico City.

• 2:51:41Speaker 02

  And it's like a big, open room with like sort of this round circular sitting area, couch area in the middle. And then all like the IMAX and like journalist and, and like editor desks and stuff sitting around that.

• 2:52:00Speaker 02

  And Jaime had this guy waiting who was a geneticist working within Mexico City that was working with another laboratory that I, I think was called Genesis Labs in, in Canada somewhere. And they were investigating the Nasca mummies back then, 20, this is 2018 when I interviewed him. And uh, my wife was talking to this guy and I walked up to her after he, he walked away and I was done with Jaime and this guy is now going to talk with Jaime. And I was like, what was that all about?

• 2:52:43Speaker 02

  And she was like, oh, this guy just told me that those Nasca mummies, they've done genetic tests and they're just coming back as humans, right? They're just people. There's no anomalousness to them. But they used a lab because they don't have, um, like a really sophisticated lab in Mexico at that time that could give them the information they wanted.

• 2:53:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:53:10Speaker 02

  That was in Canada and they, he had the report and was reporting this all to Jaime. So I think it was 2019, not soon after that, Gaia releases Unearthing the Nasca Mummies.

• 2:53:26Speaker 02

  And the Nasca Mummies enter the UFO, you know, conspiracy community and take off. It becomes like, um, interestingly enough, I interviewed Jay Widener for the Dark Alliance documentaries. He was the head of production at Gaia TV. So he was responsible

• 2:53:45Danny Jones?

  The older gentleman?

• 2:53:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Gray haired guy.

• 2:53:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:49Speaker 02

  Who got into a lawsuit with Corey Good and all that stuff. And he said, I was single-handedly responsible for building the 20 and back story and the Nasca Mummies story for Gaia TV, which are their two most popular programs, right? Anyways, um, I see all this stuff coming out. I'm like, this is weird. Like they're, they're interviewing people and building this whole story as if the Nasca Mummies are not just humans, right? That have been unearthed. They're saying that they're aliens. They found some like unknown, you know, uh, life form that's non-human, that's ancient.

• 2:54:37Speaker 02

  I interviewed Jaime about that.

• 2:54:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:40Speaker 02

  And that footage you saw in the documentary, he's telling everything about all these stories where he's found other non-human cadavers, right? So I worked with this guy, Nick Lerner. He has, um, an Instagram channel, uh, dripped in, I think it's called like, let me look it up because I want to give him a proper shout out, but he's fucking hilarious. Like he's an editor, he works in the film industry.

• 2:55:12Speaker 02

  And he creates like comedy documentaries about Hollywood. It's called, his channel is called James dot Dripton.

• 2:55:22Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:55:23Speaker 02

  And he created this fictional character, James Dripton, who does reviews of like Hollywood scandals and celebrity scandals and stuff that have happened through history.

• 2:55:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:55:37Speaker 02

  And I approached him and said, look, I've got like this alien Nazca mummy story. And I think we could put this together and make it a really cool comedy that covers the track record of these other non-human found bodies that turn out to be obviously bullshit. Um, but the latest going thing is the Nazca mummies. Would you want to do it? And he was like, hell yeah. So we worked on it for a year. I sent him all this footage that I had from previous interviews with Jaime that I've never released before. And that's how the Dripton

• 2:56:20Speaker 02

  Files Mummy Mania came to be.

• 2:56:23Danny Jones?

  That's hilarious, man. The documentary was incredible. It's just like the, the way that you show those guys like trying to defend their positions is so revealing. You know, it's just, it just like, like I said earlier, it's just it what happens to people. That is what happens to people in every, uh, subject matter in this world, right? Whether it be like sports commentating or aliens and UFOs. These people find their lane and they just lean in so goddamn hard to where it literally eats up their entire identity.

• 2:56:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, you know, I was trying to warn you. You're talking about sports identity and a journalist or person that leans really hard into UFO stuff. No, I was gonna say Seiko Aktivo.

• 2:57:10Danny Jones?

  Oh, I don't know who that is.

• 2:57:11Speaker 02

  Um, he's a guy that's like part of, uh, the night shift, uh, group of UFO commentators with Clint. Um, you know, I, I reached out to him with like very serious concern because he was pushing the Nazca mummies as being real anomalous, you know, uh, non-human beings that were found in Peru and all this stuff. And, um, it was, you know, a big thing on X. I was, maybe I was a little bit brash, um, but everything I do is with good intention.

• 2:57:52Speaker 02

  At the end of the day, I don't want people to be like taken advantage of and going down a, a rabbit hole that ends up nowhere, making them delusional, you know?

• 2:58:04Danny Jones?

  Totally.

• 2:58:05Speaker 02

  So when I was getting into it with this guy, um, you know, it was being reflected on me as if I had bad character. And, and you know, I was the bad guy for being critical of this scam and this hoax. And, you know, there was a whole

• 2:58:26Speaker 02

  kind of like bought army or swarm that was coming at me, um, attacking me at the same time.

• 2:58:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:58:33Speaker 02

  And they did the same thing to Julian. Uh, they did the same thing to all these scientists that worked with Will, um, with the incredible history documentary. You know, these are people that are professionals in their field of radiography that understand what they're looking at in the Dicom images and they're saying, hey, that hand has a thumb joint. If this being only had three fingers, why is there a thumb joint still there where they've obviously cut off the thumb?

• 2:59:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:10Speaker 02

  And these are for the larger bodies, right? Um, cause those Dicom images were released by this whole like Nazca mummy cartel. And, um, professionals in their field are reviewing that and being like, hey, guys, big problem here. It's obviously a fabrication because

• 2:59:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah. The problem is you don't, that doesn't make a big splash in the media when those people do that.

• 2:59:34Speaker 02

  That's right. The, the professionals are ignored and the people that are being like elevated are the ones that are like boasting the lie.

• 2:59:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:43Speaker 02

  So, um, I made the documentary to try and set the record straight a little bit, but also with a lot of comedy. It's a parody and, you know, everything's accurate that we're, we're saying. So, um, it gives the other side of that. And I warned, uh, Jesse too. I said, like, dude, I'm going to release this documentary. It's going to be opposed to what you created on YouTube.

• 3:00:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Um, yeah, I think Jesse now, last time I talked to him about the whole mummy thing, he, he's way more on the side of it was fake than it was real.

• 3:00:20Speaker 02

  Really?

• 3:00:20Danny Jones?

  I think so. Yeah.

• 3:00:22Speaker 02

  He should publish that.

• 3:00:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:24Speaker 02

  Because everybody, like his documentary got, I think eight million and counting, maybe nine million views. Yeah, dude, on YouTube. So think of, I guess, the amount of

• 3:00:38Danny Jones?

  He's so, he's making so many documentaries and podcasts, like chasing so many stories constantly.

• 3:00:44Speaker 02

  But it was biased. That was my problem. That it was like really verifying that these are like anomalous, unknown human or like unknown beings that are being dug out of the ground, like aliens for lack of a better word, but they're not. They're human beings. Sometimes bone dolls created from multiple different, uh, bones from different specimen, dogs, llama skulls, like all kinds of stuff. Um, it's the same guys that are doing that that are also altering human bodies. And that's a crime, you know, like that's desecrating

• 3:01:27Speaker 02

  somebody's family's remains. You know what I mean? Like the, we don't have people going into a grave here in North America, robbing it, cutting the pinkies and thumbs off. And we're allowing them to call those aliens. So why can they do that in Peru? In Peru, this cartel is getting away with it.

• 3:01:48Danny Jones?

  What, what are they getting out of it, by the way?

• 3:01:50Speaker 02

  Money.

• 3:01:51Danny Jones?

  Really? From who?

• 3:01:52Speaker 02

  Steve Mara, he uncovered even with his documentary that the smaller bodies go for anywhere between like 18 to 25,000 on the black market.

• 3:02:03Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 3:02:04Speaker 02

  And the large bodies, Maria at one point was listed for a million dollars.

• 3:02:10Danny Jones?

  To sell?

• 3:02:12Speaker 02

  To sell.

• 3:02:13Danny Jones?

  Did, was it sold?

• 3:02:15Speaker 02

  I don't know. But it's the fact that there's a market for it, that they keep pushing this.

• 3:02:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:02:22Speaker 02

  Right? Follow the money.

• 3:02:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:25Speaker 02

  And, uh, and you know, Jesse asks, uh, Jaime in his documentary, have you invested any money into this? And Jaime's like, I cannot say anything, you know, you know, I won't say anything.

• 3:02:38Danny Jones?

  The Jaime guy is obviously a kook. It's pretty, makes it's pretty clear, you know?

• 3:02:42Speaker 02

  Unfortunately, like, it's, to me, it's like Greer. It's like they both start from a, a place where there's integrity and honesty.

• 3:02:55Danny Jones?

  Genuine curiosity.

• 3:02:56Speaker 02

  Genuine curiosity and they're approaching this subject and giving speculation and, and airtime when otherwise mainstream news wouldn't cover this.

• 3:03:06Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:03:07Speaker 02

  I, I appreciate that, right? But then in this late era of their, or this, this, uh, point in their time in their careers, they're walking around with the bugosphere and pieces of human cadavers and saying, these are aliens.

• 3:03:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah. When they know for a fact that it's not true.

• 3:03:28Speaker 02

  Well, I don't even, the thing about Jaime is that I think he convinces himself of his own theories, right? He doesn't want to see the other side. You even hear in the documentary where he says like, Discovery Channel thought that this was a monkey, right? The thing that was like, had its hand

• 3:03:48Danny Jones?

  It looked like the monkey in the deep fryer?

• 3:03:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:03:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:50Speaker 02

  And that was marketed and pushed for years as an alien that was caught by ranchers in Mexico, right? Um, he convinces himself so deeply of his own conspiracies that he's not willing to see the other argument. And the other argument is right there glaring him in, in his face, right?

• 3:04:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:04:13Speaker 02

  Um, yeah. And the bugosphere, it's like, uh, this guy Mark from Falcon Aerospace, uh, Mark.

• 3:04:26Speaker 02

  Oh, it'll come to me. Um,

• 3:04:30Speaker 02

  Mark Sokol.

• 3:04:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, I've heard of that.

• 3:04:32Speaker 02

  He's friends with Jeremy Reese.

• 3:04:34Danny Jones?

  Yes, that's how I heard about him.

• 3:04:35Speaker 02

  He flew down to one of the bugosphere, uh, conferences that Jaime was presenting this.

• 3:04:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:43Speaker 02

  And he said, Jaime, can you let us drill in and take a sample of the, uh, bugosphere? And he drilled right through with a DeWalt, uh, you know, it's probably made of like aluminum or something cheap like that. And he took a little camera and, uh, like a fiber optic camera and looked around inside. You could see the glue holding it together, like

• 3:05:07Danny Jones?

  Is this published?

• 3:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Mark Sokol and I, I believe, um, his friend, um, published it. And it became a huge thing. Everybody was like, what the, like, this is so fake, right? Um, but again, it's not the popular discussion.

• 3:05:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:27Speaker 02

  Right?

• 3:05:27Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:05:28Speaker 02

  Um, there's also a video out there of the bugosphere literally flying through the air, being hung by a fishing wire. You can, you can pull it up. It's like

• 3:05:39Danny Jones?

  I think I've seen this.

• 3:05:40Speaker 02

  I think it's on Instagram or something.

• 3:05:42Danny Jones?

  I've seen that.

• 3:05:42Speaker 02

  And a, a guy who like a, maybe like a Russian guy or something, Ukrainian guy, I don't know, somewhere like that, did a full video analysis and shows the, the glare from the sun as the, uh, the bugosphere, you know, is flying through the air.

• 3:05:59Danny Jones?

  What do you make of the Bledsoe orbs?

• 3:06:06Speaker 02

  You know what? I haven't done a full, deep dive on that, but I have seen some of the controversy, like my friend, um,

• 3:06:19Speaker 02

  on X, um, was, he posted,

• 3:06:26Speaker 02

  he posted a, a, a clip that Chris Bloods, no, Ryan Bloodso, his son, had published, saying that this was a winged orb.

• 3:06:39Speaker 02

  So it was like a security camera footage of an object flying into view and then off. And, uh, it obviously had wings. It was a bird.

• 3:06:54Speaker 02

  But, um, Chris, Ryan Bloodso, said this was a perfect example of a winged orb. And, uh,

• 3:07:05Speaker 02

  yeah, like,

• 3:07:07Danny Jones?

  They do, he does, he does conjure these orbs. I've seen it in real life.

• 3:07:11Speaker 02

  You have?

• 3:07:11Danny Jones?

  I have, yeah.

• 3:07:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:07:13Danny Jones?

  He did it for me and Steve. We have it on video.

• 3:07:15Speaker 05

  Yeah. I have it on my desktop because it's so beautiful.

• 3:07:20Speaker 02

  So again, I haven't done a deep dive on, on them, but I know that there are some videos out there that.

• 3:07:26Danny Jones?

  We don't need to play. We've played it so much.

• 3:07:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, play, play it for me just so I can see it. We can.

• 3:07:32Speaker 05

  It, it, there's not really any sound.

• 3:07:34Danny Jones?

  No, you can hear her talking.

• 3:07:35Speaker 05

  So to set this up, uh, this black line is the, uh, the horizon of the ocean. So everything from this point down is water and everything from this point up is sky. And you can see some stars and you'll see some planes.

• 3:07:48Danny Jones?

  Flying.

• 3:07:49Speaker 05

  But this is the cool part. You see the planes and the orbs in the same shot.

• 3:07:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:07:54Danny Jones?

  This is right up the beach here.

• 3:07:55Speaker 02

  Wait, is that flashing?

• 3:07:56Speaker 05

  That is a.

• 3:07:57Danny Jones?

  That is a plane.

• 3:07:58Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. That's a plane.

• 3:07:59Danny Jones?

  Now you see that thing that just came off the horizon? That's not a plane.

• 3:08:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:08:05Speaker 02

  Yep, solid light.

• 3:08:10Speaker 05

  I'm getting it.

• 3:08:12Speaker 02

  She got it.

• 3:08:14Danny Jones?

  Now it's moving to the right and the other one on top starts moving to the left.

• 3:08:21Speaker 05

  So the thing is, it, it.

• 3:08:22Danny Jones?

  And it gets brighter?

• 3:08:23Speaker 05

  It blooms and then fades away. Huh. Which is not what LEDs do. It's very bright. Thank you. And all the planes out there had LED lights.

• 3:08:34Speaker 02

  And are you recording this with like a psionic?

• 3:08:37Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 3:08:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:08:39Danny Jones?

  This was not visible to the naked eye.

• 3:08:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:08:41Danny Jones?

  Right, Steve?

• 3:08:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I could, you could see it. I couldn't capture it with my camera, though.

• 3:08:45Danny Jones?

  His camera wouldn't pick it up, but we'll do the psionic thing, monocular.

• 3:08:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's like almost clear. So it like enhances light for the, uh, sensor.

• 3:08:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:08:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, um, I'm sure that they have caught some UFOs on video. Like, I think that it's possible, maybe some of this human intention stuff, uh, like this whole psionics thing is credible. It's possible that people can.

• 3:09:16Danny Jones?

  The Jake Barber stuff?

• 3:09:17Speaker 02

  Possible that you can summon something with your mind's eye or your mind's mind thinking, right?

• 3:09:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:27Speaker 02

  I'm not against it. Um,

• 3:09:31Speaker 02

  it just,

• 3:09:33Speaker 02

  s- something inside me just says, like, it gets a little bit culty when people show them like, yo, that's a bird, not a winged orb. You know what I mean? Uh, when, when that type of footage comes up, people can be wrong, you know? If, if somebody.

• 3:09:52Danny Jones?

  Well, if they're seeing real orbs all the time.

• 3:09:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, they might confuse.

• 3:09:55Danny Jones?

  Everything becomes an orb eventually.

• 3:09:57Speaker 02

  Yes. And that's the problem too, right? Um, but like I was at Contact in the Desert this past, uh, what was it? June? Yeah. Um, end of May, beginning of June. The Bloodso's were there. There was a lot of satellites in the sky and they were saying that like everything was a UFO.

• 3:10:25Speaker 02

  That's kind of weird to me. Not to say that they haven't captured some UFOs.

• 3:10:30Danny Jones?

  That thing was that came off the horizon.

• 3:10:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, if it's coming from the ocean, have you ever heard of the, uh, Tedesco brothers?

• 3:10:37Danny Jones?

  No.

• 3:10:38Speaker 02

  So they operate out of Long Island and they have like an RV camper van that has all of this high-tech camera gear. I think they even have like some form of radar. Like they're scientifically and technologically fully equipped. And they're looking out into the ocean off of Long Island. And they're recording this same sort of footage. Objects that are coming kind of like seemingly out of the ocean.

• 3:11:11Speaker 02

  That, but they're also, what they're doing, which is smart, they're monitoring air traffic. So they're seeing, okay, that object that's right there that we can see on the camera that we're recording right now can't be a plane because it's not on the flight map. It's not on like, you know, the app that shows this is what should be there right now.

• 3:11:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:11:35Speaker 02

  So I think you guys might have caught like an authentic UFO. Maybe the Bloodso's were able to do what they're saying, but not all the time. And, um, that has me skeptical sometimes when I, also Chris has made like multiple, predictions that didn't come to pass, right? Like, uh, an apocalypse that was supposed to happen this past April, we're coming up on October now. They're supposed, that's when he pushed the next date.

• 3:12:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:12:09Speaker 02

  And it, it involves like, um, I think some star formation aligning with the pyramids.

• 3:12:19Danny Jones?

  Star Regulus.

• 3:12:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh.

• 3:12:23Danny Jones?

  I think, the thing that freaks me out the most is that Tim Taylor guy who was like obsessively visiting him and befriending him.

• 3:12:30Speaker 02

  Was that a psyop?

• 3:12:32Danny Jones?

  I don't know, but it's fucking weird. Why was he targeting that guy? Why was NASA people and John Alexander and, uh, um, Semi Van, why were they all?

• 3:12:44Speaker 02

  Diana.

• 3:12:45Danny Jones?

  They were all magnetic to this guy.

• 3:12:46Speaker 02

  Diana Pasulka. Yeah.

• 3:12:48Danny Jones?

  Like they could have just ignored him and no one would have ever paid attention to him, but they all attracted to him. And now he got all this attention.

• 3:12:56Speaker 02

  Well, or were they all put in touch with each other and all put in touch with him? That's the other question, right? Like.

• 3:13:06Danny Jones?

  Like if it was nothing, if he was just seeing something that was nothing, why would they all say, hey, there's this guy who works construction and this religious dude works construction in fucking North Carolina? Let's all go make this guy a super UFO star. What?

• 3:13:21Speaker 02

  I don't know. Um,

• 3:13:24Speaker 02

  there's, there's two sides to every story.

• 3:13:26Danny Jones?

  The Benowitz thing, at least he was seeing like real aircraft on an air force base. And they had, they had a legitimate reason to throw him off the trail, right? With hit, with Bloodso, what, what is the, what is their incentive?

• 3:13:40Speaker 02

  I don't know. Like honestly, my mind is open to possibly he's had these encounters with the lady and, um, you know, he, he's seeing UFOs, he and his family. But the other side of that, you know, when you, when you just

• 3:13:59Speaker 02

  dig down a little bit deeper, and I know that there's going to be like, there's going to be dirt that people can find on anybody, right? Like everybody's not perfect, but there was like kind of a.

• 3:14:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Bob Lazar is a great example of that.

• 3:14:15Speaker 02

  There's a builder scam that people have attached to, the, the home builder scam that people have attached to Chris Bloodso because he wasn't building houses properly and declared bankruptcy and stuff like that. And then MUFON did a, uh, interview with him. You can find this online, actually. The MUFON interview kind of,

• 3:14:42Speaker 02

  they did a lie detector test with him and he failed that about his own, uh, recollection of his UFO encounter. This was back in, I think, like 2008 or something like that. So, I mean, it's not like he didn't come from nowhere. I think he's been involved in the UFO community for a while. He's just had a resurgence and, and blown up recently and, you know, through Gaia TV.

• 3:15:16Speaker 02

  That's the major platform.

• 3:15:18Danny Jones?

  When was he on Gaia?

• 3:15:21Speaker 02

  I think like four years ago.

• 3:15:25Danny Jones?

  So I had him on my podcast. Do you remember when that was?

• 3:15:28Speaker 05

  I think it was 23.

• 3:15:31Danny Jones?

  I thought it was earlier than that.

• 3:15:32Speaker 05

  No, it wouldn't earlier than that. Yeah, it was like late 23.

• 3:15:37Danny Jones?

  Late 23?

• 3:15:38Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 3:15:38Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:15:39Speaker 02

  Would have been around the same time. Like he ended up going also on the podcast circuit and becoming like a prophet for future things to come as well as, here's, here's one of the other things that I, I've like been vocal about on X. Like I, you know, X is a cesspool for debauchery, uh, degenerate conversations and fighting.

• 3:16:04Speaker 02

  And I got a couple of words in about a problem that I saw with the Bloodso activity. That was regarding his ability to heal people.

• 3:16:16Danny Jones?

  Oh, that one's sketchy.

• 3:16:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. When you start to talk about healing people's cancer.

• 3:16:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:16:22Speaker 02

  That's a territory that you're actually blending with Jesus Christ.

• 3:16:26Danny Jones?

  I agree with you there.

• 3:16:27Speaker 02

  And, uh, one of my friends, um.

• 3:16:30Danny Jones?

  And the dog too, that he healed, his dog.

• 3:16:34Danny Jones?

  You remember that story?

• 3:16:35Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I mean, it, what, what set off alarm bells for me, Grant Cameron has cancer. Treating it, right? Like sometimes you live with cancer for a long time. I don't wish it on anybody. I hope that people seek medical help. But, um,

• 3:16:55Speaker 02

  he had cancer. I was talking with his like friend and, uh, research colleague, Nicole Sackage, back when this story kind of was being picked up and pushed throughout the UFO community that Chris had sent an orb to heal Grant Cameron's cancer. And, um,

• 3:17:22Speaker 02

  Beyond belief. Yeah. So.

• 3:17:26Danny Jones?

  What is that? Oh, that's his book.

• 3:17:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:17:29Danny Jones?

  On Gaia, oh Gaia.

• 3:17:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, Gaia.

• 3:17:31Danny Jones?

  Published on August 28th, 2024.

• 3:17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:17:35Danny Jones?

  And when do we do our podcast with him?

• 3:17:37Speaker 02

  Same, uh, two years ago.

• 3:17:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah, click on that. Click on more. December 4th, 2023.

• 3:17:43Speaker 02

  Okay, so you were first.

• 3:17:44Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:17:45Speaker 02

  You're responsible. Um, so.

• 3:17:49Danny Jones?

  I got a funny story about this after.

• 3:17:50Speaker 02

  Okay, all right. But like, and I've met Chris. I think he's a wonderful man. I think he means well, too. But when you start talking about like healing people's fatal illnesses, uh, that's where I'm like, okay, this is getting super sketchy. So he, he was claiming to people that he healed Grant Cameron's cancer. And I talked to Nicole Sackage. She was like, he's still dealing with it. It has not gone away. It's in his shoulder. And actually, Grant has not done a ton of media appearance appearances.

• 3:18:27Speaker 02

  He's done some, and he was just on Jesse Michaels, but.

• 3:18:31Danny Jones?

  Grant Cameron?

• 3:18:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:18:33Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 3:18:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he's still around. Um, I think he's living with his son in, uh, British Columbia, but

• 3:18:43Speaker 02

  you know, the whole healing thing is, is, is a problem. And, uh,

• 3:18:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:18:48Speaker 02

  It, there are people that will believe that and maybe shell out tons of money. I don't know if that activity is actually happening, but that typically happens when you have, uh, spiritual healer types.

• 3:19:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:19:02Speaker 02

  It happens over and over again throughout history, right? Uh, like John the Prophet down in Brazil. Huge dude that said he was, you know, healing everything. Cancer, or he would like even do operations on people. Um, somehow they'd survive it and be like, he healed me, but probably they were no better. Um, that could also be mind over matter, which is a consciousness thing. If you convince yourself enough, sometimes I think you can change your own physiology, you can.

• 3:19:36Danny Jones?

  The same, it goes both ways, right? If you believe that your life is over and you believe you have something that's gonna kill you, and the doctor tells you you're gonna be dead in seven days.

• 3:19:43Speaker 02

  You could die.

• 3:19:44Danny Jones?

  That can happen. Like, it can become a self fulfilling prophecy.

• 3:19:46Speaker 02

  Right. So, um, I think intention is powerful.

• 3:19:50Danny Jones?

  The mind is like soup. It's so powerful, man.

• 3:19:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I, I just, I'm wary of that. And, uh, you know, if somebody sees a UFO, that's one story. But when they start saying they're a healer and, you know, all these other things and, and, you know, you go to their night watch, you see a satellite and they're saying, oh, there they are. There's the.

• 3:20:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:20:15Speaker 02

  They're, they're saying hello to us right now, everybody. Thank you, God. You know, it's like, come on, it's a satellite. Yeah. So, um, I'm just wary of that. And I'm not saying that everything about him is untrue. I'd love to speak to him about some of his cases and, you know, get to the bottom of it.

• 3:20:36Danny Jones?

  Have you read his book?

• 3:20:38Speaker 02

  I have not.

• 3:20:38Danny Jones?

  Should check it out.

• 3:20:39Speaker 02

  UFO of God.

• 3:20:40Danny Jones?

  It's pretty interesting. His, just his story, his life story and the experiences that he had personally.

• 3:20:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Tim Taylor thing. I've heard about that.

• 3:20:48Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 3:20:49Speaker 02

  And NASA, you know, comes up again.

• 3:20:53Danny Jones?

  He told me on the podcast, I think I edited it out of the podcast, actually. I edited this out of the original podcast. I was just afraid.

• 3:21:03Speaker 02

  What was?

• 3:21:03Danny Jones?

  I was afraid I was gonna get in trouble or something was gonna strike me or something. But it was a story that he told me of Tim Taylor showing him an actual Men in Black neuralizer that wipes memory.

• 3:21:15Speaker 02

  Okay. I don't think they need that, though.

• 3:21:19Danny Jones?

  I don't think I have the, I, I might have the clip saved somewhere on the raw footage, but yeah, that was like such a crazy story. And he like showed him the, the blueprints for it.

• 3:21:27Speaker 02

  Should publish that in this, in this interview. You should just put that clip right as you mention it, cut it in and be like, yeah, I saw a neuralizer.

• 3:21:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah, maybe I will find it and I'll do it. Maybe I'll cut it in right here. We'll see.

• 3:21:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:21:39Danny Jones?

  Probably not, though. I probably don't have it.

• 3:21:40Speaker 02

  Dude, that would be bombshell.

• 3:21:41Danny Jones?

  I don't know if I have it anymore. We'll have to see.

• 3:21:43Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 3:21:44Danny Jones?

  We'll have Steve look through the hard drive.

• 3:21:45Speaker 02

  Search the hard drives.

• 3:21:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Steve, look through the raise. See if we still have that.

• 3:21:47Speaker 02

  All right. But I mean, like, yeah, I think there's a lot of really big figures in the community that have, you know,

• 3:21:59Speaker 02

  some things that don't look too good and some things that they look interesting. And it's, I'm open to it, right? With the bloodsows. Um, I just haven't done a full deep dive and some of that stuff.

• 3:22:13Danny Jones?

  There's a lot of stuff, dude. It's too much stuff to navigate.

• 3:22:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:22:16Danny Jones?

  You know, it's just like, have fun with it, you know? Handle your part, your little part that you can control and that you have the time to investigate. And then that you don't, that no human being has the time to like go deep on all of these sensational stories that are out there. It's like.

• 3:22:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:22:36Danny Jones?

  Hopefully there's enough people out there in the community that can put their evidence together and create some sort of a, some sort of a compelling way for us to navigate this fucking maze of bullshit.

• 3:22:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think like, um, there's no hope of a disclosure process that we, we've all been kind of hoping for. What we're seeing now is like a controlled narrative.

• 3:23:06Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 3:23:07Speaker 02

  Um, so that's kind of disconcerting. What it ends, what it leads to, who knows, right? Like, um, is David Grush gonna get his way? And are they gonna just like, say, we're not alone? And these are the aliens that are out there? I don't know. Um, I'm just gonna have to like watch the story as it evolves and, you know?

• 3:23:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:23:35Speaker 02

  I'll keep building documentaries.

• 3:23:37Danny Jones?

  That's it.

• 3:23:37Speaker 02

  That's all I can do.

• 3:23:38Danny Jones?

  That's all I can do. Well, thanks for doing this, bro.

• 3:23:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:23:41Danny Jones?

  Fun. Um, tell people where they can find out about all of your work, all your stuff online, your documentaries, all that fun stuff.

• 3:23:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, so a lot of my docs are free on YouTube, uh, YouTube movies like Secret Space UFOs, Puerto Rico's UAPs, uh, Pascagoula 73, uh, and, uh, a lot of them are on Amazon Prime. So the newest one, The Dripton Files Mummy Mania, that one's on, uh, Amazon Prime, Apple TV. And, uh, Dark Alliance, which we talked about before, it got taken off the original one, which, uh, was a two part expose, each hour and a half, was on Tubi for free, got taken down, as you know.

• 3:24:30Speaker 02

  But, um, the follow up to that Dark Alliance, The Next Generation is on Tubi TV for free for people to watch. And, uh, yeah. Really appreciate people checking out my work. Um, they want to follow me on socials, on X, at O Cold Journeys. Instagram, Darcy Weir Films and, uh, yeah, YouTube, at O Cold Journeys. Appreciate you having me on and people can reach out anytime.

• 3:24:57Danny Jones?

  My pleasure, dude. Thanks for making the trip. And we'll link all your shit below for folks that wanna look it up.

• 3:25:01Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 3:25:02Danny Jones?

  All right. Good night, everybody.

• 3:25:04Speaker 00

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