What Should Good People Do?

Confucius, like Seneca, was an interesting hybrid of philosopher and politician. For instance, in addition to his teachings and writings, he pushed for “a revival of a unified royal state, whose rulers would succeed to power on the basis of their moral merits instead of lineage.” His justification for participating in the complicated, corrupting world of politics was captured in this metaphor: “If you possessed a piece of beautiful jade, would you hide it away in a locked box or would you try to sell it at a good price? Oh I would sell it! I would sell it! I am just waiting for the right offer.” Meaning, the virtue of the philosopher was exactly what the state needed. Yet even in the sixth century BC, there was an art to finding the right government or office to contribute that virtue to. As Confucius said, “When the state has the Way, accept a salary; when the state is without the Way, to accept a salary is shameful.” Five hundred years later, Seneca endured a similar struggle. As a Stoic, he rejected the belief of the Epicureans that the wise person should ignore politics and focus on their own self-development, because it neglected one’s obligations to the common good and one’s duty to their calling and abilities. Yet he ended up serving Nero’s administration, and in so doing, was complicit in the regime’s evils. Far too late, Seneca realized that “when the state is so rotten as to be past helping, if evil has entire dominion over it, the wise man will not labor in vain or waste his strength in unprofitable efforts.” (More on Seneca here in this New York Times piece) What does that means for the rest of us? It means that fulfilling our obligations as citizens and people can be tough. Should we serve an administration we disagree with? Should we accept a salary or work in an industry despite the qualms of our conscience? What is a soldier’s duty when they are ordered to fight in a war they don’t believe in? There are no easy answers to these questions--they must be wrestled with. What they can’t be is ignored. We don’t get to flee the debate to indulge ourselves in Epicurus’s garden of delights. Too many people--our families and our fellow citizens--are counting on us. Nor do we get to just observe from afar, ranting about the news or the state of things as if it’s someone else’s responsibility. Because if the philosophical-minded, if the good people, are checked out, who does that leave these incredibly important matters to? Right. The bad guys. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. 📢 Share | ⚙️ Manage Subscription

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• 0:06Ryan Holiday?

  Welcome to The Daily Stoic, where each day we read a short passage designed to help you cultivate the strength, insight, wisdom necessary for living the good life. Each one of these passages is based on the 2,000-year-old philosophy that has guided some of history's greatest men and women. For more, you can visit us at dailystoic.com.

• 0:29Ryan Holiday?

  What Should Good People Do? Confucius, like Seneca, was an interesting hybrid of philosopher and politician. For instance, in addition to his teachings and writings, he pushed for a revival of a unified state whose rulers would succeed to power on the basis of their moral merits instead of lineage. His justification for participating in the complicated, corrupting world of politics was captured in this metaphor: "If you possessed a beautiful piece of jade, would you hide it away in a locked box, or would you try to sell it at a good price?" "Oh, I would sell it. I would sell it. I am just waiting for the right offer." Meaning that to Confucius, the virtue of the philosopher was exactly what the state

• 1:13Ryan Holiday?

  needed. Yet, even in the 6th century B.C., there was an art to finding the right government or office to contribute that virtue to. As Confucius said, "When the state has the way, accept a salary. When the state is without the way, to accept a salary is shameful." 500 years later, Seneca endured a similar struggle. As a Stoic, he rejected the belief of the Epicureans that the wise person should ignore politics and focus on their own self-development, because it neglected one's obligation to the common good and one's duty to their calling and abilities. Yet, he ended up serving Nero's administration, and in so doing, was complicit in the regime's evils. Far too late, Seneca realized that when the state is so rotten

• 1:57Ryan Holiday?

  as to be past helping, if evil has entire dominion over it, the wise man will not labor in vain or waste his strength in unprofitable efforts. What does that mean for the rest of us? It means that fulfilling our obligations as citizens and as people can be tough. Should we serve in an administration we disagree with? Should we accept a salary or work in an industry despite the qualms of our conscience? What is a soldier's duty when they are ordered to fight in a war they don't believe in? There are no easy answers to these questions. They must be wrestled with. What they can't be is ignored. We don't get to flee the debate or indulge ourselves in Epicurus's garden of delights.

• 2:39Ryan Holiday?

  Too many people, our family and our fellow citizens, are counting on us. Nor do we just get to observe from afar ranting about the news or the state of things as if it's somebody else's responsibility. Because if the philosophical-minded and if the good people are checked out, who does that leave these incredibly important matters to? Right, the bad guys.