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  Hi listeners. If you're enjoying criminology, then we have something special to share that we think you'll love. It's a new podcast adaptation of A and E's famous true crime series, The First Forty-Eight. Each week, The First Forty-Eight will take you inside the critical first forty-eight hours of a homicide case, the interrogations, the dead ends, and the breakthroughs that crack a case wide open. Real detectives, real cases, real stakes. I've got an episode of the show for you to listen to now. If you like what you hear and want more, make sure to follow The First Forty-Eight on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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  Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. There's also a link to the show in this episode's description.

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  On August 29th, 2020, 32-year-old Mark Clifford Lake was shot dead at his encampment in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Following his death, homicide detective Jason White takes charge of the investigation. So far, he's learned from one witness, a man named Rowdy Peterson, that two men shot Mark. Rowdy knows the two men live somewhere nearby, but he's not sure where. But the witness says that Mark's wife, Georgette, does. Detective White sits down to talk to her, hoping that she'll tell him everything she knows.

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  Rowdy cares a lot about you, and he cares a lot about your husband. He tells me that you know them pretty well. I need to know who these guys are.

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  I don't know who the other guy was, where he came from, who he looked like a little miniature knockoff version of AJ, I guess.

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  Where do they live?

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  Uh, Latimer.

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  Okay, but you know who AJ is, and AJ was there, period, okay?

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  Do you know any more to his name?

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  No. He just came up from California.

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  Does he have any tattoos?

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  A Grim Reaper on his shoulder.

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  Thankfully, Georgette provided Detective White with three pieces of valuable information. One of the suspects is named AJ. He has a tattoo of the Grim Reaper on his shoulder, and he lives off a street called Latimer Place. He passes this information along to Sergeant Nathan Schilling.

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  Search our database for AJ Latimer. It'll search all our reports and field interviews, and maybe we'll get lucky where someone mentions his nickname.

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  Hmm. This holds some promise.

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  Andres J. Martinez. So we will find him and traces.

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  And there we are. And he lists the address, and he's Latimer Place. So he just got arrested, like, three weeks ago, and claims to be homeless.

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  Thirty-seven-year-old Andres J. Martinez grew up in Riverside County, California. He has no prior convictions. Based on what the investigators have learned so far, Sergeant Schilling thinks this may be the AJ Georgette is referring to. He wants to see if she recognizes him. Sergeant Schilling brings this information to Detective White, who's still in the interrogation room with Georgette. Detective White shows her a photo of Andres Martinez.

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  Is that him?

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  Yes.

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  Check his shoulder.

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  Okay, so this is the guy that's got the Grim Reaper tattoo on his shoulder?

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  The individual you referred to as AJ?

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  Mm-hmm. We have literally only known him about maybe a week and a half. He's supposed to go get stuff from any store that we choose, anything we want, but he's supposed to be able to do it.

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  Was he getting dope in exchange for bringing you guys stuff?

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  Yeah.

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  But he would never show up with the stuff. He would just show up himself. Everything's in the car, everything's in the garage. And, and the R U N, Bicron, there's a kid ambush that maybe he took from AJ, made him walk home.

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  What did he take?

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  A kid ambush. It's a bike.

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  She says that AJ was supposed to pay Mark for drugs that he'd been fronted. But when AJ failed to come through, Mark took his bike.

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  Is that why AJ came back pissed off?

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  Probably. My husband made him empty his pockets and leave his bike.

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  Does your husband have a knife?

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  He has a knife that slides in and out, but I think he left it at the tank when we left. I had my knife on me.

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  What kind of knife do you have?

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  I have a, like, switchblade type knife. It's black and silver.

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  All right, so let's talk about the second guy. Describe him for me.

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  My face, I was like a five-five, he taped top.

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  Did you happen to notice any tattoos on that guy?

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  No.

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  Did you get a decent look at him?

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  No.

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  But you definitely got a good look at AJ.

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  There's something going together in my face. I try to remember what they were looking like.

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  If you didn't catch that, she said, "Usually if someone pulls a gun in my face, I try to remember what the F they were looking like."

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  All right, sit tight.

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  Thank you.

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  Although they still have to identify the second suspect, Detective White has enough to get a warrant for AJ's arrest. But he and Sergeant Schilling aren't sure where to find him. According to a recent incident report, AJ's address on Latimer Place is vacant.

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  AJ shows to be homeless in our database, so I was trying to figure out his address on Latimer. On the 10th, a call went in of a burglary at the location. The tenants moved out, so that address is probably not going to be good anymore.

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  We'll find him.

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  Three hours in, the case takes a turn.

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  Thanks for listening to this episode of The First Forty-Eight. To hear more, follow The First Forty-Eight on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. There's also a link to the show in this episode's description.