S3 Ep347: Witness Flips in Kouri Richins Case & Bear Brook Murder Victim Identified

The prosecutors’ star witness in the Kouri Richins case has recanted key testimony accusing Richins of supplying the fentanyl she allegedly used to poison her husband, prompting her legal team to seek a reconsideration of her bail and case proceedings. Meanwhile, in New Hampshire’s Bear Brook murders, investigators have for the first time identified the final unknown victim as Rea Rasmussen, the daughter of serial killer Terry Rasmussen, using advanced DNA and genealogical methods, bringing a nearly 40-year investigation closer to closure. Try our coffee!! - www. CriminalCoffeeCo.comBecome a Patreon member -- > ｿ https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeeklyShop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> ｿ https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shopYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcastWebsite: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.comInstagram: @CrimeWeeklyPodTwitter: @CrimeWeeklyPodFacebook: @CrimeWeeklyPodADS:1. https://www. OneSkin.co/Hair - Use code CWN for 15% off!

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• 0:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 0:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:19Derrick Levasseur?

  And like we have said in the past with Crime Weekly News, we're going to cover cases that maybe we don't have enough to necessarily cover on Crime Weekly, but we also want to use Crime Weekly News to give you guys updates on cases we did cover. And as you can probably see from the title of this episode, we have updates on two cases that we covered. We're going to talk about Cory Richins. We're also going to talk about the Bear Brook murders. We have updates in both. Stephanie's going to get into it right now.

• 0:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I'll give you a quick summary of the Cory Richins case because we did cover it on Crime Weekly, but not for a while. So this case kind of started in March of 2022 when 39-year-old contractor and father of three Eric Richins was found unresponsive at a home in Kamis, Utah after his wife Cory brought him a celebratory drink, a Moscow Mule, to be specific. And the medical examiner later found five times the lethal dose of illicit fentanyl in Eric's system, taken orally. Investigators say that Cory, Eric's wife, her phone, it contradicted parts of her timeline. She had said that she was not near her phone

• 1:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  during specific times of the night of her husband's death, but iPhones keep track of lock and unlock things and

• 1:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, unfortunately for Cory, they do.

• 1:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I guess she did not know that they were keeping track of these things. But if you like open your iPhone, even if you're not sending a text or doing anything, your phone's still keeping a log that that you did that. So her saying she wasn't near her phone, et cetera, et cetera. That's been put to bed.

• 1:55Derrick Levasseur?

  That's disproven for sure.

• 1:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  There's deleted messages. They also tied her to a contact she had in her phone, labeled under CL. And apparently this person supplied Cory with OxyContin in mid-February of 2022, at the same time that Cory's husband Eric suffered a severe reaction, and then 15 to 30 fentanyl pills later that month. Now, CL ended up being

• 2:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Cory's housekeeper, Carmen Lobert. And apparently, the guy who sold Carmen the pills is another guy completely. And his name is Robert Krosier. So I guess back, you know, when Cory was first arrested and everything. And when they were questioning, when the detectives are questioning people, they talked to both Carmen and Robert. And according to the prosecution, both of these people sort of admitted, yes, we, we gave Cory these fentanyl pills. Or at least Robert said he had given them to Carmen and then Carmen gave them to Cory.

• 3:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  But now there's some issues coming out because Cory's defense team says, hey, actually, Robert Krosier recanted his statement. And because he recanted, now the prosecution doesn't have a case. Cory and her defense team are now asking the judge to reconsider her bail and the conditions of her release. After the prosecution star witness recanted his statement about selling the fentanyl to Carmen and Cory. And Robert Krosier has claimed that while he did sell Carmen Lobert OxyContin on two occasions, he never sold her fentanyl.

• 3:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he doesn't recall ever telling the police or the prosecution that he did. So the defense, Cory's defense says, hey, Krosier recanted back in April. And they've accused the prosecution of intentionally withholding this information from the defense. And Cory's lawyer said, quote, "Mr. Krosier's statement doesn't just poke holes in their case. It throws a grenade in the middle of it, leaving them with nothing but speculation and conjecture, getting them nowhere near the realm of proving their case beyond a reasonable doubt." End quote. So right off the bat, I'm going to be honest with you. Based on the information and the evidence in this case, which I've talked about this on my own YouTube channel, we talked about this on Crime Weekly, I think she's 100% guilty.

• 4:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, I think she's 100% guilty. This is the woman who wrote a children's book after her husband died about how, you know, children deal with the grief of a parent passing away. She was having a relationship with another man during this time. She texted things to this man, basically saying, "I want to be with you, like, I want to have a relationship with you. I can't break up my family." And then eight days before Eric's death, she texted her boyfriend, quote, "I have a crazy dream. You quit your job. I divorce and come up with millions and millions. We buy Midway and live in the guest house, raise some kid, have a little farm. Deal," end quote. So for those of you who don't know, Midway was

• 5:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  the house that Cory had just purchased, right before she gave her husband Eric that celebratory Moscow Mule, which doesn't even add up because Eric didn't want her to buy that house. So there's no way he would be drinking a celebratory drink to, you know, celebrate with her that she had purchased this house, which he absolutely did not want her to purchase. On top of that, Cory's in trouble for insurance fraud and things like that because she tried taking out policies in her husband's name. She tried adding herself as the beneficiary to his policy, things like this, for his life insurance. So when you look at her saying to this man, "I'm going to divorce and come up with millions and millions," how was she going to come up

• 5:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  with millions and millions from Eric's life insurance policies, we would assume? That's where she was going to get the money. And then two days before Eric's death, she texted her boyfriend, quote, "Life is going to be different. I promise you're one hell of a patient person," end quote. Now, could she just be saying, like, "I'm going to get a divorce and I'm going to get away from this guy and then we can be together"? Whatever, that's fine. But that's not what happened. Her husband ended up dead. She was the last person who saw him. She gave him a drink, and then he died from a very heavy fentanyl dose that he consumed orally. And this wasn't, like, prescribed fentanyl. It's recreational or illicit fentanyl, which you would buy off the streets from, I don't know, like, a drug

• 6:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  dealer that maybe your housekeeper knows, you know, things like that. So... And there's been a lot with Cory, like she got into it with Eric's sister because she found out that um.

• 6:49Derrick Levasseur?

  That Eric took her off the.

• 6:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Eric had taken her out of the will. Eric had told his family like, hey, if something happens to me, look at Cory because she had, you know, she had tried to, well, he believed she had slipped him some substances before that had made him sick.

• 7:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, allegedly had almost killed him the last time, just didn't give enough. It was around Valentine's Day or something like that.

• 7:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  That was the sandwich in the truck.

• 7:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 7:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Incident, but then they had gone on a trip to Greece before that and he'd gotten sick there too. So he was saying, you know, if anything happens to me, look at her. So obviously he kind of felt like something was off in the, the months and even the years leading up to his death. And we've got a lot that points to Cory as the person who did this because otherwise then we'd have to assume that Eric found fentanyl somewhere and then decided to consume five times the amount that it would take to kill an average human being.

• 7:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 7:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  When she is admitting to giving him the drink, the Moscow Mule, which he is the last thing he ingested. And that is what she has admitted to preparing him and handing him. So why do you, as a police officer, a former police officer and detective, why do you think that this guy, Richard Crozier, why would he be recanting his statement? Because I definitely think and believe that Cory did this. I think you are on the same page. So is this guy being honest and maybe she got it from a different source?

• 8:15Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 8:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or is he just trying to kind of evade trouble in his own right?

• 8:20Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, I think it's common sense for most people. Not being tied to a murder, if you're a drug dealer, not good for business, right? If clients or alleged clients or people who are clients who are giving your drugs to other people are dying on your product, not good for the longevity of the business. I, I have to say, a drug dealer, and I'd have to look at his record. I guess I shouldn't call him a drug dealer without knowing his prior, his prior history. But a drug dealer recanting their story that. They potentially sold drugs to a person who then gave it to another person who then killed someone with it. Then deciding not to participate in the trial, not surprising to me. What's the incentive for the drug dealer? Right? What's the incentive for him to participate?

• 9:03Derrick Levasseur?

  So I think the bigger issue from what I was reading is not only him recanting his story, but allegedly he told this to the prosecutor's office back in April.

• 9:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  April, yeah.

• 9:14Derrick Levasseur?

  And allegedly, the prosecutors did not share that exculpatory evidence with the defense team, which is a problem, right? If that's exactly how it went down, we'd have to hear their justification for that or their side of the story. Because it's basically, it's basically Crozier saying he recanted in April, but we have to see if there's a recording of that interview. What do we have? Is there a transcript? Something to support what he's saying.

• 9:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  So let me ask you, if he did recant in April, Cory, I don't believe she goes to trial until February. Doesn't the prosecution have until around that time to divulge this kind of stuff? Because if that's true, I'm sure the prosecution's thinking, we know this guy definitely did it. He already admitted to it, now he's recanting. So we gotta see if we can work out like a deal with him. As in, hey, if you testify to the truth, then you won't get in trouble or you won't be held legally responsible. So do they have time to disclose these kinds of things to the defense?

• 10:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Procedurally, I don't know exactly when the cutoff is to release. That's a great question. I don't know when they are required to disseminate that information, if it's right before trial, if it's two weeks before, if it's a month before, or is it as soon as they become aware of it? Right? And that could be the difference here. So that is something we have to figure out. But just switching gears to something that I'm more comfortable with as far as my profession, even if he recants his story, I still think it's something that can be brought up in court, right? To build a case to say initially, this is what he said, now he's recanting. Jury, you choose to believe what you want. Is he telling the truth now? Or was he telling the truth then? That's one thing. Secondly, he's not the last person to have touched these drugs before it got to Cory.

• 10:56Derrick Levasseur?

  And so the house cleaner, Carmen.

• 11:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Allegedly got the drugs from him. So if she says, yeah, I handed these drugs over to Corey, and they weren't for personal use, that just shows that Corey was going through different channels to try to obtain a significant amount of drugs for what purpose?

• 11:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I mean, 25 fentanyl pills is not personal use.

• 11:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. And also, as you had alluded to before you turned it over to me, it wasn't Carmen who put the drugs in his drink. So the only other angle here that they could go with was that this was a suicide. Good luck with that one, based on all the lies that have already been put out there about Corey as far as her cellphone activity.

• 11:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  You mean, all the lies that she's put out there?

• 11:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, basically lies she's put out there and she's been caught in.

• 11:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Right? So she's got major issues. Do I think that this person testifying would be, Crozier would be good for the case? Of course. More evidence, the better. Do I think it's like, uh, end all be all, like, they don't have him, they have no case? Like, the prosecution, the defense was like, oh, this wasn't only poking a hole in the case. This is a grenade going off in the middle of it.

• 12:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Decimated their entire case.

• 12:03Derrick Levasseur?

  That's, that's their job, right? That's their job. I don't think it is. I think that there's still a lot here to point to Corey, and I think she still has major problems. And I really hope the judge sees that this is someone who more than likely tried at first and then successfully killed her husband, and she should not be released on bail.

• 12:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I think it's interesting that maybe Crozier initially, when the police were like, trying to get an arrest warrant, and kind of in the initial stages of the investigation, he was like, yeah, I'll tell you what I know. But now that it's like, so public and so accessible, and now they're going to trial, he's probably like, hey, actually, I don't want to be involved in this.

• 12:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 12:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Clearly, you don't have any evidence physically against me besides my own word, so I'm going to, to back off.

• 12:49Derrick Levasseur?

  If they didn't give him a deal, he could also be sued civilly by Eric's family after the fact. So there's a lot of repercussions that can come from this, even if he gets a deal for the, from, from a criminal perspective. So there's no benefit to him testifying because he's essentially incriminating himself.

• 13:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Apparently, the prosecution.

• 13:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  Does have, you know, a constitutional requirement to turn over to the defense any exculpatory evidence. Uh, that's the, the Brady rule, right? This Brady violation, we've talked about in many cases. Um, and that's evidence that's favorable to the defendant, such as something that could help prove innocence, reduce guilt, or lessen a sentence, which you could definitely argue that is, that is what this is.

• 13:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 13:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  But it must be disclosed in time for the defense to use it effectively at trial. And there's no specific number of days set by the Supreme Court. The timing depends on the circumstances, but you can't like wait till the day before the trial and then be like, huh, gotcha. We got more information. You have to give it to them. But we've got plenty of time at this point.

• 13:47Derrick Levasseur?

  I think prosecution can argue, yeah, we were waiting. We don't have to give it to you all this time. Listen, they're playing games. There's no doubt about it. Prosecution's not gonna handle everything.

• 13:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're being strategic. I don't even know if it's games. It's like, why would we tell you this if we don't have to right away?

• 13:59Derrick Levasseur?

  They're playing within the walls of the game, right? Is it exactly the way you'd want it? No, but the defense and the prosecution both do, do it. And I think you're right there where if it had gone to trial and this was not disclosed, now you're looking at a Brady violation.

• 14:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, yeah, that's an issue.

• 14:14Derrick Levasseur?

  So we're not there with that. But yeah, I mean, he's not going to testify clearly. And so they're not going to have that element of this case.

• 14:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think they can convince him to, to be honest.

• 14:22Derrick Levasseur?

  But they still have Carmen.

• 14:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think that's what the prosecution's probably working on. As far as we know, they still have Carmen. Who knows what's going on with Carmen now?

• 14:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, I mean, if they have Carmen saying, I got the drugs from Crozier for Corey, that's still the middleman. That, that to me as a juror, I think that's enough. The drug, the drug dealer doesn't want to admit to selling the middleman the drugs? Shocker.

• 14:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. I mean, this is like the Matthew Perry thing, kind of, is what it reminds me of. Yeah.

• 14:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Exactly. It's exactly like the Matthew Perry thing, right? They're gonna reverse engineer it. They want to get everybody involved. I'm sure the lawyers for Crozier are like, what are you doing? Like, why are you helping the prosecution?

• 15:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  I also, I don't agree with, um, Corey's lawyer where she's like, the lawyer's a woman. That's why I'm saying she, um, she said, oh, if you can't place fentanyl in the hands of Corey, then you have no case.

• 15:11Derrick Levasseur?

  There's no case.

• 15:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's insane because once again, well, then you'd have to kind of figure out, how did Eric get that much fentanyl? Like, where did he get it from? And why would he?

• 15:20Derrick Levasseur?

  They're gonna go with the suicide angle.

• 15:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Why would he take that? That's ridiculous.

• 15:23Derrick Levasseur?

  I think so too.

• 15:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's ridiculous. And, you know, Eric has been saying. Hey, if something happens to me, look at Cory, which is not like necessarily a huge, you know, they were going through divorce, things were not great, they kind of weren't getting along. So, you know, he could have said that and been dramatic. But at the same time, when you do look at Cory, when the police do look at Cory, they find a plethora of evidence to show that she was making a huge multimillion dollar purchase on this house to flip that he was, Eric was absolutely against, that she was messing with his life insurance plans, that she was trying to take life insurance plans out in his name, that she was having an affair and she was seeing someone else on the side.

• 16:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  And there's a conversation she had with a friend, because now that they're, they're kind of showing all of this stuff in discovery, but she had a conversation with a friend back in like 2021, so it was December 17th of 2021. And I guess this friend and Cory were wrapping Christmas presents together and Cory told this friend she was frustrated because she didn't feel like she had an easy path forward in divorcing her husband Eric. She says she was worried he would turn their three sons against her and that Eric's affluent family would use their finances to take the children from her. And then the prosecution has alleged that Cory told her friend, quote, "In many ways it would be better if Eric was dead," end quote.

• 16:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Which once again, that's not like, oh, close the book, it's over. People say things, but when you put it all together, it doesn't look good for her. She made him a drink to celebrate something he had no intention of celebrating. And that is the drink that he consumed right before he died.

• 17:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. I think the defense is going to go one of two ways. They're going to go with suicide, which I think would be very difficult to prove, especially if you have all these character witnesses saying there was no indications of that. The other angle, and I briefly remember discussing this when we talked about it, when we did the more bigger deep dive, was you could say that Eric accidentally overdosed. And so they would have to prove that Eric had a history of using fentanyl, using drugs, and this might have been an indication of what was going to happen in the future. So that that is another angle they could go with. And I see

• 17:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  The defense's argument, if you can't place fentanyl in Eric's hands, you can't show where he got it from, then your case is gone with that, too. So

• 17:47Derrick Levasseur?

  You see, we see it in other cases, right? They're gonna put stuff for it. It's not their job to prove it. It's just to present a theory and all they need is one jury member to say, yeah, I think that's, I think that's possible. That's all they need.

• 17:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Listen, Carmen, the housekeeper in late February of 2022, said that Cory asked her for the Michael Jackson stuff and bought 15 to 30 fentanyl pills from her for $900. And then March 3rd, Eric's debt from a fentanyl overdose.

• 18:15Derrick Levasseur?

  I I'm with you. That's why them saying that this is a grenade in the case. I'm like, huh? I think Carmen's the star witness. I know that some articles have said he's the star witness. I don't think he is.

• 18:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, if Carmen can prove, maybe through cell phone records, that she spoke to Crozier around that time, even if it's not like a text message where she's like, hey, I need the Michael Jackson stuff. And he's like, that'll be $900, you know, even if it's just a phone call or some sort of communication that they can prove.

• 18:42Derrick Levasseur?

  A bank withdrawal for around that amount?

• 18:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 18:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Something or him depositing or something, something. You're right. There's things going on behind closed doors that could tie this together without Crozier actually saying anything. And I'll even go further. Crozier is playing a game here because if it's proven that he's lying, he could be charged. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. We'll have to see how it works out. I'm interested to see how it all pans out because, listen, if she got bail or walked from this, would I be shocked? Yes, but it wouldn't be the first time it's happened. So.

• 19:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'd be shocked if she walked completely, like maybe the terms of her release might be adjusted because of this. I don't see why they should be.

• 19:21Derrick Levasseur?

  You don't think she beats the case?

• 19:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, no.

• 19:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Cool. Well, we'll keep you guys updated because you guys are talking about it. We're going to talk about what you guys want to hear about. We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to have an update on the Bear Brook murders. It was something that we covered. We were wondering about the fourth victim.

• 19:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, we recently covered it.

• 19:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, we recently covered it and we now have the answer to who that person was. We're going to talk about it right after this.

• 19:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so, does anybody remember the Bear Brook murders? I know we got emails from a lot of people.

• 19:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Lot of people are definitely keeping up to date on this and we're like, hey, you need to cover it. So shout out to everybody who DM'd us, emailed us, posted in the comments. I love the fact that you guys are invested in these cases after we cover them, where even if we're not giving updates, you're giving updates to us, which we knew about it when it came out, but it's timing. We had, we had pre-recorded a couple episodes. This is our first day back in the booth, and now we're gonna get to it because, yeah, this was the fourth victim and she deserved to have her name back.

• 20:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, the Bear Brook murders refers to the discovery of four female victims, two adult women and two young girls, whose bodies were found in two separate barrels dumped in Bear Brook State Park near Allentown, New Hampshire, otherwise known as the Allentown Four. The case did baffle investigators for decades until advances in genetic genealogy finally revealed three of their identities and also led to the killer, Terry Rasmussen, who's also known as the Chameleon Killer. What was it? We did three or four parts on this?

• 20:54Derrick Levasseur?

  I can't remember. It might have been four parts. This was an extensive case, maybe.

• 20:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  I remember that he, um, he was going by the alias Bob Evans. I just remember Bob Evans. And, um, what happened is we finally know who the victims were. Mary-Lise Elizabeth Honeychurch, Marie Elizabeth, who was Mary-Lise's older daughter, Sarah Lynn McWaters. And then the fourth child found in the second barrel was unrelated to Mary-Lise by blood, but genetically related to Rasmussen, meaning probably his biological daughter. And now we have kind of proven that 25 years after her body was found, the New Hampshire Department of Justice announced that Jane Allentown Doe has finally been identified as Rea Rasmussen. Nick Mc

• 21:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  and investigators pursued leads on the third child's identity. Advanced DNA testing by Astria Forensics pointed to genetic genealogy as the best path forward. Firebird Forensics worked on the case for years until 2024, when New Hampshire's State Police partnered with DNA Doe Project, who uncovered a crucial lead, a possible mother to this child, Rea. And this mother was a woman named Pepper Reed. Pepper Reed was last seen by her family in Texas during Christmas of 1975. At that time, she was pregnant. According to the family, the child's father was Terry Rasmussen.

• 22:15Derrick Levasseur?

  There you go.

• 22:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. However, after Christmas, the family said that Pepper moved to California. They never met the child because she was pregnant when she left, and they never saw Pepper again. Now, quickly after identifying Pepper as the possible mother, DNA Doe project made another discovery, a birth record from Orange County, California, and that birth record was for a baby girl born in 1976 named Rea Rasmussen. The birth certificate listed Rea's parents as Terry Rasmussen and Pepper Reed, and this would be confirmation. This was the lead the investigators had been searching for all along. Now, Pepper did have one surviving sibling, a brother who was believed to be the uncle of Jane Allenstown Doe 2000, who is Rea. September 2025, DNA testing with Bode technology, it confirmed the identity investigators had

• 23:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  been searching for, which is so sad because at the time of her death, Rea was very young. She was just between two and four years old. There's not even any known photographs of her. I mean, we have her name back. We have that answer, but what we don't have the answer to is what happened to Rea's mother? What happened to Pepper?

• 23:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 23:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  And why?

• 23:23Derrick Levasseur?

  We take a guess.

• 23:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Did Terry kill his own daughter, you know?

• 23:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, we can definitely, definitely take a guess. She hasn't been located, as you mentioned, Pepper's.

• 23:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Nobody knows where she is right now. I would assume, and I hope I'm wrong, more than likely Terry killed her as well.

• 23:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Obviously. I think that's pretty obvious. Yeah.

• 23:41Derrick Levasseur?

  So that's, it's just a matter of trying to find out where she was last, tracking down there, because maybe there's a Jane Doe out there right now that they've already located, who happens to be Pepper.

• 23:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's what I was thinking. So what you'd, you'd want to do is, I mean, figure out, when did she leave? And if Rea was between two and four years old, kind of fast, because you, you'd think they probably died or been killed around the same time.

• 24:05Derrick Levasseur?

  You would think so.

• 24:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then figure out where was Terry at that time?

• 24:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 24:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because was he still in California with them? Would this Jane Doe, who could be Pepper, be located in California? Or had, had he already gone to New Hampshire? So look at the areas where he was, and then look up Jane Does from there. And I mean, honestly, if it was in California, or it was someplace that has more wilderness, he could have. Put her body in a place where wildlife got to it and maybe there is no Jane Doe out there that could be linked to Pepper. But either way, I don't think there's a chance that Pepper is alive.

• 24:41Derrick Levasseur?

  No.

• 24:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not this long after. And I mean, she was, she was in a relationship with a serial killer who we know has no issue killing women and children. He killed his own daughter, you know, so.

• 24:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I mean, obviously, he was a scumbag, but this case is now active again. Another piece of the puzzle has been found and it reinvigorates the case and law enforcement is looking for new leads. So if you have any information on Terry, Pepper, or Raya, please contact the New Hampshire Cold Case Unit at 1-800-525-5555, or you can email them at [email protected]. Please come forward if you have information with genetic genealogy. We're solving new cases every single day. Cases that 20 years ago, nobody thought could be solved. And speaking of genetic genealogy, just so you guys know, we saw your comments from the announcement of Joanne Zamora case where we had Ryan and Jeremy

• 25:33Derrick Levasseur?

  on. Probably should have developed a form for you guys to submit your cases. The comments wasn't the best option. Didn't really think that one through.

• 25:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 25:41Derrick Levasseur?

  But Ryan and Jeremy were in the comments. They did screenshot them all. Some cases, based on the parameters you guys have laid out, may work, some may not. We're gonna go through them. Just have patience. If we see one there that we think we can help, we will reach out to you either on an episode. I'll put the names out here because it's hard to contact you as a commenter. We didn't get your, your contact info. So again, my bad. Didn't think that one through. Any final words from you before we wrap this one up?

• 26:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, I mean, now I'm like mentally back in Bear Brook and I just already started going through different Jane Doe cases and things like missing people who haven't been identified from the California area. Surprise, surprise, a ton of them. There's a ton of them.

• 26:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, look at even, look at Joanne from Texas. I mean, just out in the middle of Houston.

• 26:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's exactly what I was thinking of, by the way, when they said, they said she was pregnant and she like disappeared right around Christmas. I was thinking of Joanne.

• 26:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Joanne, yeah. There's a million of these cases out there where people are just found and unfortunately, do the science and technology and money. Unfortunately, the cases just get left by the wayside, but we're not gonna do that. We're gonna help where we can. That's why we have Crime Weekly. That's why we have Criminal Coffee. And speaking of Criminal Coffee, in case you guys aren't following us on Instagram, which if you're not, shame on you. Pumpkin Spice. Officially here.

• 26:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know, I'm so excited.

• 26:56Derrick Levasseur?

  It's officially here.

• 26:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Did you see also Criminal Coffee Halloween merch? I already commented on the Instagram.

• 27:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, like, send me one ASAP.

• 27:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  I said, "Send me one immediately."

• 27:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it's incredible. We'll have it up on the screen for right now for anybody who's on YouTube.

• 27:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  Are you going to, though? Are you going to send?

• 27:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Of course, I send you all the stuff.

• 27:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hmm, I didn't get the St. Patrick's Day stuff. Just saying.

• 27:15Derrick Levasseur?

  It was sent.

• 27:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, did you send it to the right house?

• 27:18Derrick Levasseur?

  I almost said your address.

• 27:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  We're gonna, we're gonna talk about it, but I need that.

• 27:23Derrick Levasseur?

  I'll get it to you.

• 27:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  I need that sweatshirt immediately.

• 27:24Derrick Levasseur?

  I'll get it to you. So, we'll get it to you, we'll get it to you, and we'll get it to you. It's in stock right now if you want to check it out.

• 27:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  You'll get a sweatshirt, and you'll get a sweatshirt.

• 27:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Go over to CriminalCoffeeCo.com. You can get your pumpkin spice. You can get your, your Halloween sweatshirt. It's a limited quantity. I know everyone says that. I went with a low amount of it because we have Christmas right around the corner, Thanksgiving right around the corner. We have other stuff planned for that. We probably have 250 pieces, max. And we don't have 250 of each size, just 250 total. So, if you like the style of the sweatshirt, it's definitely different than what we've done before. I'm personally a huge fan of the fingerprint bats on the front. I think that's really cool.

• 28:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 28:02Derrick Levasseur?

  So, go check it out. Again, we have these updates. If we have more in these cases, we'll let you know. We'll see you later this week with part two of the Megan Trussell case. There's actually been some recent developments in the case, including photos that we didn't have before. I didn't have them on Detective Perspective. We didn't have them at CrimeCon. We have them now. We're gonna be talking about them on Friday on audio, YouTube on Sunday. Until then, everyone stay safe out there. We'll see you soon.

• 28:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bye.