S3 Ep333: Baby Emmanuel’s Parents Charged With Murder

Jake and Rebecca Haro, the parents of 7-month-old Emmanuel Haro, have been charged with their son’s murder and making a false police report, with each held on $1 million bail. Investigators concluded that Emmanuel was never kidnapped, and cited inconsistencies in the parents’ stories. They now believe the infant is deceased even though his body has not been found. Try our coffee!! - www. CriminalCoffeeCo.comBecome a Patreon member -- > ｿ https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeeklyShop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> ｿ https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shopYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcastWebsite: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.comInstagram: @CrimeWeeklyPodTwitter: @CrimeWeeklyPodFacebook: @CrimeWeeklyPod

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• 0:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 0:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:19Derrick Levasseur?

  And today, we bring a heartbreaking and disturbing update in the case of seven-month-old Emmanuel Harrow. His parents, Jake and Rebecca, have now been charged with felony murder and filing a false police report, as authorities believe their story of abduction was fabricated. Now, while the search for Emmanuel's body continues, the couple remains in custody, denying any wrongdoing, even as investigators piece together a grim and mounting web of evidence. And this was a case that we covered just last week on Crime Weekly News. It was very fresh, it was very new, and although we had some suspicions, and we were pointing out some things in the interview that didn't necessarily sit well with us, we were trying to give the benefit of the doubt, because obviously,

• 1:04Derrick Levasseur?

  this could have been a very traumatic situation for the Harrows. But now, right after, basically, right after we finished that episode and it went out, these developments came pretty rapidly, and it's unfolding more every day. I see on the news every day there's something new with this case.

• 1:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so I want to go through the timeline again quickly.

• 1:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes.

• 1:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  So, this was August 14th, 2025, when Emmanuel's mother, Rebecca Harrow, reported that she was changing her son's diaper outside a Big Five sporting goods store in Ucaipa. She was attacked by an unknown assailant. Remember, the person walked up behind her, "Hola", and then she was rendered unconscious. And then she woke up, her son Emmanuel was missing, she alleged that he had been kidnapped. Now, on August 15th and 16th, law enforcement launched a missing person investigation. They initiated searches with some scent-tracking dogs. We talked about this, no Amber Alert was issued due to the lack of identifiable suspect description or vehicle description. And then officials did note the inconsistencies in the mother's story.

• 2:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  In media interviews, both parents pleaded publicly for Emmanuel's return. Their emotional demeanor, and the things they were saying, and kind of how they were acting, did seem off to a lot of people, including us. But we did, we did notice that Rebecca Harrow did have a black eye. However, to me, the black eye did not look... As if she had just gotten it.

• 2:26Derrick Levasseur?

  It didn't look fresh.

• 2:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Did not look fresh. It looked like it was in a healing stage. Alright, so then August 18th through about the 21st, investigators executed multiple search warrants at the Harrow residence in Cabazon and reviewed surveillance footage from locations of interest. Now, the searches kind of went between the Ucaipa and Cabazon areas. Then a child abuse report surfaced in Moreno Valley, which was connected to Jake Harrow. Authorities do confirm it's related to this ongoing investigation, and I talked a little bit about it last time. I didn't go into detail because, once again, we weren't really sure what was going on. I was, but we had to be careful. I think Derek was too, but we had to be careful.

• 3:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, it's crazy because we'll go one way and people are like, "Oh, my God, you're convicting these people and they just went through something crazy." And if we don't go hard enough on them, it's like, well, why aren't you questioning them a little bit more? So it's a slippery slope. You lose either way.

• 3:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I mean, I just think, based on personal preference, it's like, hey, this is a parent. As a parent whose child might be missing, I don't want to jump the gun and start accusing, even though my gut is telling me everything's wrong with this. Alright, so apparently Jake Harrow was married previously to another woman, and they had a daughter together, who is now seven years old. When that daughter was just 10 weeks old, this was Jake's own daughter, he had pleaded guilty to child cruelty. She survived. This daughter survived, but I don't know how she did, based on what happened to her at the hands of her own father.

• 4:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  And like I said, she's currently seven, but she is suffering from lifelong issues. Her adoptive mother, who is a cousin of Jake's ex-wife, she said, quote, "They were told that they didn't think she would even live a week after this happened, but they have done everything they can for this little girl to keep her going. She can't walk. She can't talk. She's blind. It's just horrible, but she survived. It's amazing that she survived that at 10 weeks old." End quote. So, yes, basically Jake, whatever Jake Harrow, and it looks like his ex-wife, was implicated in this as well. So it might be a pattern, whatever he did.

• 4:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  To this child landed this 10 week old baby.

• 4:52Derrick Levasseur?

  What a scumbag.

• 4:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  In a hospital with broken bones in 2018. Yeah.

• 4:57Derrick Levasseur?

  And why, did you, why is knee serving time for this? Riddle me that.

• 5:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  I believe that he was on probation for it.

• 5:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Probation.

• 5:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think he was supposed to go to another court.

• 5:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Wow, probation.

• 5:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  Listen, at the Loma Linda University Medical Center, they found that this little girl had an acute fractured rib. Healing fractures of six ribs, a skull fracture, a brain hemorrhage, swelling of the neck, and a healing fractured leg bone. An officer quoted a doctor saying, quote, "The combination of the above findings in a pre-mobile infant in the absence of a plausible history of significant trauma to explain the injuries is indicative of abuse, head trauma, child physical abuse, and nutritional neglect," end quote. Now, we also found out that Jake Harrow told police his sister opened his iPad to a webpage that read, quote, "How to Feed a Baby with Broken Ribs," end quote.

• 5:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  He denied to the officer that he'd used the iPad at the time of the search, which occurred before his daughter arrived at the hospital in 2018. So, yeah, Jake Harrow clearly has anger issues and takes them out on

• 6:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Short fuse.

• 6:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  His little, his little children who cannot defend themselves.

• 6:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Best predictor of future behavior, past behavior. So as we're starting to put the pieces together, I'm sure there's more evidence to support it. But when you think about what this scumbag has done to another child, and you start to think about what could have happened to Emmanuel, this is going to rise to the top because babies are hard sometimes, right? Like as parents, it's, it's, it's sleep deprivation.

• 6:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Of course it's hard.

• 6:34Derrick Levasseur?

  And all these things. 99% of the parents out there deal with it because that's what we're supposed to do. But someone like this, an idiot like this, like you just said, short temper, and they, they take it out on the kid and they. Put their hands on them and it's not like an adult where you can grab their wrist or something and you know even though you shouldn't be doing that they're gonna be okay. A baby like that it's not gonna take much to break a rib or an arm or a shoulder you know dislocated shoulder.

• 6:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  I I'm not gonna sit here and act like it didn't take much to do this damage. This was repeated.

• 7:04Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, for the for the child? Oh, of course, of course.

• 7:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  You've got healing rib fractures, you've got healing broken bones. This was consistent child abuse.

• 7:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, it's habitual, right? It's not over a period of time. It's not just one occasion because like you said, healing.

• 7:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and the fact that that he left this 10 week old baby who's seven now in a lifetime state of needing assistance. Why is he not in prison for attempted murder of a baby? Period. I don't know.

• 7:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Period. It's our court system for you, but he's gonna have some problems in in jail, that's for sure. He's not gonna do he's gonna be like our boy Brian Koberger.

• 7:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  When he finally goes back for this, yeah, hopefully.

• 7:40Derrick Levasseur?

  Have you heard, not to change subjects, but real quick, have you been seeing some of the updates with Brian?

• 7:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he's not, he's not really.

• 7:46Derrick Levasseur?

  He's not doing too good.

• 7:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's not adapting well to life behind bars.

• 7:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Things are not going well for him and like I like I predicted, which it wasn't was which is the most obvious prediction ever, but the people at prison, although they're there probably most of them because they need to be, they do not take kindly to going after women and kids.

• 8:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Nope.

• 8:05Derrick Levasseur?

  They'd a lot of them see their own children in them. Some of them probably have college kids, you know, that age range.

• 8:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:12Derrick Levasseur?

  Brian, Brian's gonna have some problems.

• 8:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, cuz he's like a fake criminal, you know, it's like.

• 8:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, he's a he's a fake tough guy.

• 8:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he's a fake tough guy. Exactly.

• 8:21Derrick Levasseur?

  And so he's gotta get you in the middle of the night while you're sleeping.

• 8:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he's the kinda tough guy that has to prowl around off-campus housing with a mask on.

• 8:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 8:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  To hide his eyebrows.

• 8:30Derrick Levasseur?

  And now he's asking for restraining orders and all this stuff. I mean, I'm not trying to smile if you guys are watching on YouTube, but I can't help it. Sometimes it's the little things that bring you joy, but.

• 8:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Pain brings me pleasure.

• 8:40Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, but but back to this case, yes, I completely agree with you. Emmanuel might have been experiencing something for a long period of time and it just went a little too far, which anything is too far, but it got to a point where whatever happened. Emmanuel was seriously injured or killed during that process and I do have a question for you because I keep going back and forth. We have to wait until these details come out, but I know that you've seen it and I'm sure everyone else online has seen it that allegedly Jake was brought out to an area to search.

• 9:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so we're getting there.

• 9:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Hit it and then I got a question about it.

• 9:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  We're getting there. So on August 22nd, based on extensive inconsistencies and a lack of corroborating evidence, law enforcement concluded that the kidnapping was fabricated and Emmanuel is likely deceased. Now, it's very hard to find accurate information, but what I heard is that they did have surveillance footage from not the big five, but from a neighboring business.

• 9:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Of course they did, yeah.

• 9:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  And the surveillance footage showed Rebecca Harrow pull in the parking lot, get out of her car and then just like fall down. Now, I don't know how accurate this is because somebody said they heard it through somebody who's on the case and then it's kind of going around social media. So I don't know how accurate it is, but I believe that. I believe that. Especially when they say lack of corroborating evidence. And I also heard that people at the football field, nobody had seen Emmanuel there before. So there's, you know, things coming out from people in the area who are saying, we heard this, we saw this, we didn't see this. And I'm assuming that all of these people have talked to the police.

• 10:19Derrick Levasseur?

  Listen, this is what I'll say. When you have an incident like this, where it could be an extremely difficult situation for the parents from what they just went through, as an investigator, you're not going to come out publicly, even if internally you guys are feeling a certain way, and suggest in any way, shape or form that the parents are lying. This quickly, unless you have something definitive, the fact that almost immediately they were saying the evidence wasn't lining up, it has to be something that is indisputable, like a video, right? Where they can say, we know you're lying, not because we're putting the pieces together, but this puzzle piece right here shows that you're lying. Now, they're not going to come out and say exactly what that is initially. They don't want to give

• 11:03Derrick Levasseur?

  all their cards away. But the fact that they were even suggesting that things weren't aligning that early in the investigation, they had something that was something that you couldn't get around.

• 11:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Something definitive, yeah.

• 11:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, something definitive that said, hey, listen. These guys are lying to us. We just have to find out why.

• 11:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, and I also heard that a clerk at that Big Five store said that Rebecca Harrow had come in the previous week and asked them if they had security cameras.

• 11:31Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, if that's true.

• 11:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right?

• 11:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that's, that's, that's a slam dunk. And that, that to me is just the start of it. There's gonna be so much here. It doesn't seem like they, this was really well thought out to pick like a Big Five like that to do it. That, that's, that's dumb. Because there's so many people that can discredit your story.

• 11:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know, but I think she thought maybe that the clerk had told her, no, we don't have cameras or whatever, which probably the clerk is trained to say they don't, even if they do, because it could be somebody casing the store. So she would be an idiot for just going along with that. But I think they thought like, oh, if it's in a public place, I can't just pull over in like some random field and say this happened. I won't be as believed. And I do believe that this is going to go to trial because both of these parents. So let me just continue.

• 12:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, please. Because I still have my, I got this question. It's burning.

• 12:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  So this same day, which was August 22nd, when the law enforcement was like, hey, we think that this, this whole kidnapping thing was fabricated. Emmanuel is likely deceased. Then Jake and Rebecca Harrow were also arrested at their home and charged with murder and filing a false report. I think there's gonna be a trial because even from jail, these people are still doubling down. They're like, we're, we're gonna, we're gonna find the highest hill we can, climb it and die on it. Because we are still going to keep just denying, denying, denying. And I guess at that point, if you're like a piece of shit enough to harm your child to the point where they die and then cover it up and then

• 12:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  stage this big elaborate kidnapping hoax that, that makes it nationwide. If you're that much of a piece of shit, I guess like denying and doubling down is all you can do.

• 13:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Why not?

• 13:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 13:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Why not? Yeah, no, no doubt. That's, that's the road they're gonna go.

• 13:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  So then, August 23rd and 24th, authorities were conducting searches for Emmanuel's remains. One of these searches happened near the 60 freeway shoulder in Moreno Valley. Cadaver dogs and law enforcement participated. And Jake Harrow, Emmanuel's father, even though I hate to call him that, he was seen in an orange or red prison jumpsuit near the site. And it kind of seemed like he was helping them, I guess, or... Maybe they asked him like where could Emmanuel be and he was like, well, you know, I'll lead you here, but then he didn't, he was just kind of standing nearby. It wasn't like he was actively helping them.

• 13:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 13:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  But um, yeah, basically that's where we are at now.

• 13:54Derrick Levasseur?

  And apparently they didn't find Emmanuel there.

• 13:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  They did not. They did not find anything. But once again, I heard that blood was found in their home during one of the searches. I heard that Rebecca Harrell was asking about surveillance cameras at the Big Five. I heard that there is surveillance video where you can see her not being mugged, no one saying hola, her just getting out of the car and falling down. And obviously, it's pretty.

• 14:20Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 14:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's pretty clear what happened here. I also want to point out that there's a very weird sort of parallel story. So this happened March 15th, 2017. A 27-year-old resident of Palm Springs, California, Jalen Amanda Keith, she was found with a single gunshot wound to the center of her head, lying in the bathtub of the apartment she shared with her boyfriend, a man named James Beushausen. Beushausen.

• 14:52Derrick Levasseur?

  Common spelling.

• 14:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it's, it's really not. It's B E U S H A U S E N. Okay, Beushausen. So Beushausen told the police, as well as emergency personnel and a 911 dispatcher, that his girlfriend had shot herself while he was asleep. He also made claims that he thought she may have slipped and hit her head. There was a head wound discovered on Jalen Keith, which investigators ended up feeling had occurred separately from the gunshots, meaning that they believed Jalen Keith had been assaulted and then she had been murdered and had her death kind

• 15:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  of posed to look like a suicide to cover up the assault that she had um, basically been. The victim of, and they found a nine millimeter pistol beneath her body. And once again, police said this placement of this gun is not consistent with a self-inflicted wound, given the position of her body. And her boyfriend, James Bouschauzen, he claimed he had moved her body and the gun after waking up and finding her in the bathroom. So after this woman died, her boyfriend quit his job, returned to his hometown of McAllen, Texas. And then, on October 18th, 2017, Palm Springs investigators arrested him in a shopping center parking lot. On July 10th, 2018, he was convicted of shooting his girlfriend in the head and staging the

• 16:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  scene to look like a suicide. Jurors deliberated about two hours before they found him guilty of a murder. And obviously, they rejected his account and his defense team's account that she was driven to suicide because she was suffering from a painful illness and was upset about her boyfriend's alcoholism. So, who is James Bouschauzen? Well, he is the brother of Rebecca Harrow. So, basically-

• 16:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Wow, plot twist.

• 16:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  So, basically, what's happening here is we have people who appear to be connected and involved in murders, and then who participate in an attempt to cover it up and kind of hide the lead afterwards. People that can't just take accountability for what they did and have to come up with some elaborate scheme or plot or story or narrative to make it look like it was something else and that they weren't involved and they're not guilty and they had nothing to do with it.

• 17:20Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and I think where we are right now with this particular case, there's a few things that are gonna happen, and they probably already have happened. So, the number one thing is, you're gonna separate Rebecca and Jake. You're gonna keep them apart from each other because more than likely, not 100%, Jake's probably the offender here and I don't know what Rebecca's involvement would be. It seems like it'd be more so the cover up. But either way, you separate them, they lose their power to stay united. And you let her know that if she wasn't involved, simply covering it up for him could result in her being convicted of murder as well. And she has to decide which route she wants to go, how loyal she's going to be to Jake. They're going to bring in a room, they're going to try to turn her against them, saying this guy did this to your son.

• 18:05Derrick Levasseur?

  How could you let this happen? You know, what are you going to do to fix this now? It's too late to bring Emmanuel back. Help us, help you, let's find your son. And then how they're going to go about it if she's not working with them is first off, they're going to go to the house. And they're going to talk to witnesses from the neighborhood. They're going to talk to family members, they're going to talk to friends. They're going to try to establish a timeline to identify or pinpoint the exact time when Emmanuel was last seen alive. Wherever that may have been.

• 18:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, apparently he hasn't been seen alive. And from what I can tell, at least several weeks to a month.

• 18:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, so they have to figure it out. They have to figure out the exact date. And then what they're going to do is do a data dump on both of their phones, their iPads, their GPS coordinates for their vehicles. All of that good stuff, because they'll pinpoint the last time. Let's say it's the football field, right? They saw Emmanuel at the football field on this date. They're going to go back to that date and they're going to confirm that their phone records and their GPS data aligns with that last sighting. Right? Then from there, it's going to be a very long process. But what they're going to do is go day by day with all the GPS coordinates. To see if they went to any locations for an extended period of time. That would be suitable for a dumping ground, right?

• 19:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Areas where their car or their cell phones went out to a distant location. And was there for maybe five, 10, 15 minutes. And then has never gone back since and was never there before. Another thing that they'll do, and they've already done this, I guarantee you because you mentioned blood, they're gonna go into their house and they're gonna probably use two types of tests. One test would be luminol. I think most of our listeners and viewers already know about luminol. Luminol is going to be the fluorescent color that you see on dark surfaces and dark areas where, let's say they cleaned up the area and you don't see anything visible to the eye, by spraying the luminol, it'll react with cleaning agents like bleach, but

• 20:07Derrick Levasseur?

  it also reacts with blood. So if they cleaned up the area after the fact, under the luminol testing, under that fluorescent lighting, they would be able to see it. Another form of testing that they'll use is called LCV. LCV is something that's also used all the time, but for some reason, less known. I don't know why, but LCV, I probably used that more than I used luminol. And LCV is pretty cool, because what it does is it reacts with something in the blood. But if I go into a room and I see a stain or see something that could be blood, what you can do is use the LCV, which is like a spray, and you spray it on

• 20:48Derrick Levasseur?

  the area and what it does is it turns the blood into a dark purple. So what looks like a couple spots in the tub or the sink, when you spray the LCV, you'll see all of the blood that was there at one point, even if it's just a little bit left behind. And that is good for lighter colored surfaces, or if you don't want to be using fluorescent lighting, you'll see that with the human eye. So if you guys have ever seen crime scene photos or videos where the room is like covered in like a purple spray or paint, that's actually LCV reacting to blood, or in many cases, blood. It's not always blood. So by doing that, they will be able to tell if a crime took place in any of the rooms of that house, and if there was a cleanup after the fact. So-

• 21:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I mean, we would assume if this wasn't premeditated, which I don't, I don't have any reason to believe it was premeditated. I just think this guy has an anger issue. And takes it out on women and children. If it wasn't premeditated, then it most likely whatever happened did happen at home.

• 21:47Derrick Levasseur?

  I agree. I agree, there's gonna be some sign where he was Emmanuel was probably bleeding. And there was a cleanup. And they will, they will be able to go back and tell all of this just from using certain chemicals and processes to develop whatever's left behind if they didn't do a good cleanup. So all of this plus much more is going on behind the scenes. And I will tell you that I think the biggest thing right now to try to find Emmanuel is what I described earlier. A team of people sitting there, one person has Rebecca's cellphone data, one person has, has Jake's cellphone data, another person has, if they have like a black box on the car or whatever, one person has Jake's vehicle, another person has Rebecca's vehicle, if she has one, they have separate cars.

• 22:31Derrick Levasseur?

  And they're going through every single data point that they have to see if something stands out to them. Is there a random time in the middle of the night where all of a sudden, one of their phones is out in a wooded area for an extended period of time and then goes right back to the house where there's nothing out there to be seen? Because these dummies more than likely took their phone with them.

• 22:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I think the opposite and, and what I think Jake's already-

• 22:56Derrick Levasseur?

  You think the opposite considering she went to a, a, a big box store and said that she was-

• 22:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, that was, that was her, that was her.

• 23:01Derrick Levasseur?

  It's pretty dumb.

• 23:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now Jake's been through this with police before and what happened? He had to explain to them why on his iPad, he had Googled how to feed a baby with broken ribs.

• 23:12Derrick Levasseur?

  You're not helping your argument here.

• 23:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know, but that was in 2018. So he's already familiar that electronic devices can give him away and tell law enforcement more information than he would like them to know. So if he's taking Emmanuel somewhere and it would be him at the end of the day who would dispose of this body, he wouldn't trust her with that because it's his, his freedom on the line. He's gonna leave his phone at home.

• 23:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Let's hope he doesn't.

• 23:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. I hope he doesn't, I don't think it's gonna be that-

• 23:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Hopefully he has OnStar or something in his car.

• 23:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  I hope, I don't, I just don't think it's going to be that easy to find Emmanuel unless these two, um, human pieces of garbage. Offer to volunteer the information like you said, one turns against, one turns against the other. Likely, in my opinion, if Jake was the one responsible for taking Emmanuel's body somewhere and hiding him, he did not even tell Rebecca where he went, specifically so she could not turn on him because he's not going to trust her with his life, specifically so she could not turn on him. And even if she turned on him and said, oh, he did this, this, and this, there's a lot of law enforcement and DA's out there that'll tell you, no body, no crime. It's very difficult to prosecute a no body case and they're going to spend, be spending

• 24:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  a lot of time trying to find Emmanuel and Jay Carroll might be the only person who knows where he's at and he will never talk because he's the one on the line here.

• 24:31Derrick Levasseur?

  What I always tell you, Stephanie, criminals were smart.

• 24:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Criminals were smart, they wouldn't get caught.

• 24:35Derrick Levasseur?

  There you go. There you go. So we gotta hope that, that the idiocy continued here.

• 24:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  The dumb criminals don't get caught even because of just luck or, you know, they picked the right place. So my concern, I hope that even if they cannot find Emmanuel, they still can gather enough evidence to-

• 24:53Derrick Levasseur?

  They gotta pinch her. They gotta pinch her because even a non-body homicide is difficult, but if you have her testifying against him, even if they don't find Emmanuel, you got a pretty solid case. You got a pretty solid case, but this is very early on.

• 25:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  I would like to agree with you. I've just seen so many cases go to trial like this and-

• 25:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, let's keep the optimism. We gotta see, you know, there's, there's so many other dynamics. I said I had a question to ask you and it's, this is probably a good segue for it right here. I think we both agree and we may be proven wrong, that more than likely Jake is responsible for this, right? Now, if Rebecca ends up coming clean, let's say she helps the law enforcement help build a case, what type of culpability do you think she has because she initially did this whole fake kidnapping thing?

• 25:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I mean, I assume if she could give them enough credible evidence to charge him and to actually like bring it to court and make it a successful prosecution, they would offer her a deal.

• 25:47Derrick Levasseur?

  File, filing the false police report and that's it maybe?

• 25:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, yeah, I think they might drop the murder charge, yeah. Especially if she can prove or, you know, has some sort of like supporting evidence that she didn't take part in, even though, once again, if his 10-week-old daughter had multiple healing rib fractures, I mean, how much damage could this person do to this child in 10 weeks?

• 26:10Derrick Levasseur?

  That's what I'm saying. She's been witness to this for a while, more than likely.

• 26:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  So she's been witness to this for a while, and that might have been intentional, so that he was kind of like, "Hey, you've been complicit in this for a while. You've been helping me, you know, hurt our child for a long time now. If I go down, you go down."

• 26:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, we'll see how it plays out. I posed that question to you guys as well. What do you think about this? Now that this is all starting to kind of develop, and it looks like we may have a case that Emmanuel is not going to be coming home. And if that's what turns out to be the final verdict here, what type of culpability does Rebecca have? We know Jake, if he's the guy who did it-

• 26:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  What type of culpability does she have in our eyes, or what type of culpability does she have legally if she makes a deal? I think she is just as culpable as he is-

• 26:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, so that is two questions.

• 27:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  This bitch, sorry, my bad. Yeah, this bitch is in jail now, and just gave an interview, and she's like, "I will never stop searching for my son. He was kidnapped." So she's, once again, like, and then not only, not only does she say, "He definitely was kidnapped, and I wish I was free so I could look for him," she says that Jake Harrow's a good dad who would never hurt his child. Bitch, he already has. He already has hurt a child that is his. What are you talking about? You sound dumb. You sound dumb now.

• 27:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, now she's dumb and in prison, so-

• 27:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  You can say, like, "Oh, I, I think he was kidnapped, and I want to still look for him," but to follow it up with Jake Harrow's a good father who would never hurt his child? That's just-

• 27:46Derrick Levasseur?

  She's selling the story. And that's, and that, these are things that have to be considered.

• 27:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  But when you, when you get down to it, and it all comes out, and like, I mean, they're, they're both already in prison for murder and filing a police report, but when it comes out- During a trial, all this other information. You look worse now. You're less sympathetic. You're not a victim anymore when you continue doing this. You can't even go for a defense of like, oh, I was also being abused and I'm a victim. No. When you're doubling down like this, there's not going to be sympathy for you. Not from the jury, not from law enforcement, not from the public. You have no sympathy. Nobody's in your corner. Nobody believes you.

• 28:22Derrick Levasseur?

  I don't think anybody will be in her corner for sure, but I think there's two questions there and we pose them to you guys. One, I think we all agree on the first question as far as her culpability. She's definitely part of the problem here by not intervening as soon as she saw something that shouldn't have been done. But as far as where this goes from a, not only an investigatory perspective, but also ultimately charging purposes, right? Are you willing to let her go to get Jake? How much leniency are we giving her if she's cooperative? Right now, it doesn't seem like that's the case, but if she changes her tune and starts working with law enforcement and ultimately helps bring Emmanuel home, whether

• 29:01Derrick Levasseur?

  that's dead or alive, are we, are you okay with her walking free to get Jake? That's the question I posed to you guys. And I want to wrap up this episode by giving you a teaser for this upcoming Crime Weekly because we did have a new case. However, based on some of our listeners and viewers who are on X, you were reaching out to Brad Bradley and you had tagged us and he saw it and, and one of you guys said, hey, you should go on Crime Weekly. He responded and said, would do, I would definitely do that. Him and I got into the DMs. We started talking and we will be interviewing him today as you're watching this video or listening to the audio, whatever it is. So we're going to have an

• 29:44Derrick Levasseur?

  interview with Brad Bradley, Amy Bradley's brother, coming out this Friday. And I'll just give you a little teaser. He's been listening to the podcast and he already DM'd me and said, listen, I don't agree with a lot of your-

• 29:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's gonna set us straight.

• 29:57Derrick Levasseur?

  He's gonna set us straight, doesn't agree with a lot of the skepticism, specifically I have about the case and-

• 30:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Really you?

• 30:03Derrick Levasseur?

  What they believe happened.

• 30:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Really you, not me?

• 30:06Derrick Levasseur?

  He said, I'm surprised to see your skepticism regarding what we believe. And I'm interested to hear what they actually believe. What do they believe happened to Amy? And we have some other questions that we've-

• 30:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I wanna, I wanna ask questions about the camera, I have, the Scientologist, I have questions here.

• 30:24Derrick Levasseur?

  And definitely add that to this episode, leave your questions in the comments below. If there's a specific question over the series that we covered that maybe we're forgetting that you really wanna know about.

• 30:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes.

• 30:35Derrick Levasseur?

  If it gets enough likes, that'll, that'll tell us, hey, this is a question that a lot of people wanna know about. And we will add it to our list. So Brad's coming in and I responded to him in the DM and said, listen, I think it's great that you're coming on. Uh, we don't necessarily have to agree, we're open to anything, we don't have any skin in the game. And I think it's important for people to hear your side of the story. So we're looking forward to it and we'll see how that goes. So any final words from you, Steffi? Obviously, this is a horrible episode. This is not the outcome you want, but I think it's kind of the outcome we all expected. Unfortunately.

• 31:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 31:10Derrick Levasseur?

  So we'll keep you guys updated, will we do another crime weekly news on this? Probably not now, they've been officially charged. If Emmanuel is found, we'll put out a post or something, but we'll wait to see how this one plays out long-term. But we're thinking about Emmanuel's family, uh, the, the remaining family members who have to now pick up the pieces and live with this. Because it doesn't only affect their family, it affects an entire community. And, uh, you see the pictures of Emmanuel, you can't help but think about your own children. So we're thinking of everyone involved and, um, you know, my, my thoughts are with the family, but also with the investigators. Because now they have the difficult job of putting together a strong case to make sure that Jake doesn't get back out on the streets again like he did the last time, which I don't know how that happened, but I'll tell you this.

• 31:55Derrick Levasseur?

  That'll be looked into. That'll be looked into now in hindsight to say, what was this guy charged with? What was he convicted of? And why was he free?

• 32:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't understand. I don't understand that. Like, I don't.

• 32:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Emmanuel should still be here, right? And now they'll go back. I don't think anybody will be held accountable because it's the way it works. But at least we can go back and look at what happened and maybe change some legislation so it doesn't happen again. I know that's wishful thinking.

• 32:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's unlikely.

• 32:23Derrick Levasseur?

  I, I, I agree. I agree. But any final words from you?

• 32:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, I have no final words. As far as I'm concerned, I mean, we've talked about this before. The fact that you get so much less time for attempted murder than you do for murder.

• 32:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Agreed.

• 32:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  When you 100% intended for that person to die, but they're just the fact that they happen to survive, gets you a, a, a more lenient sentence, that blows my mind. The fact that that even counts for children, and this little girl, J. Carl's daughter, is forever, has her childhood, her mobility, her ability to communicate stolen from her, and he's walking around doing it to more kids, allegedly, is disgusting. And yeah, we would hope that the justice system would take a mirror up and look at themselves, but that's not gonna happen. So.

• 33:13Derrick Levasseur?

  But I think most of us will agree, any form of child abuse, that's equivalent to murder as far as I'm concerned. You, you, you harm a child, you're dead to me.

• 33:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  A child or an animal? Yeah.

• 33:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Go to prison.

• 33:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Electric.

• 33:24Derrick Levasseur?

  See you in the next life. That's my feeling on it. But we want to hear your thoughts. So weigh in down in the comments below. Leave a review. Let us know what you think. We'll be back later this week with, I guess, our part five of Amy Bradley series. It's gonna be just the interview. We already covered the case, but we're looking forward to that. And we're looking forward to hearing your feedback after that interview. Until then, everyone stay safe out there, and we'll see you later this week.

• 33:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bye.