S3 Ep308: Crime Weekly News: The Search for Missing Siblings Lilly and Jack Sullivan

6-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her brother, 4-year-old Jack Sullivan, were reported missing from their home on Gairloch Road in Lansdowne Station, Nova Scotia, on May 2, 2025. Despite extensive search efforts involving volunteers, drones, and canine units, the children remain missing. We're coming to CrimeCon Denver! Use our code CRIMEWEEKLY for 10% off your tickets! https://www.crimecon.com/CC25Try our coffee!! - www. CriminalCoffeeCo.comBecome a Patreon member -- > ｿ https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeeklyShop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> ｿ https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shopYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcastWebsite: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.comInstagram: @CrimeWeeklyPodTwitter: @CrimeWeeklyPodFacebook: @CrimeWeeklyPod ADS:1. https://www. WildGrain.com/CrimeWeekly - Use code CRIMEWEEKLY to get $30 off your first box, plus FREE croissants!

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• 0:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 0:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:18Derrick Levasseur?

  And today we're talking about the heartbreaking case out of Nova Scotia. This is a town that I actually have plans to go up and visit in a couple of months. My good friend Emmett lives out there and he's been asking me for years to go up there. He actually owns a river rafting company and every year he comes down to see me, but I don't go up there. But I really do gotta get up there soon. It's a beautiful place, but obviously we're talking about it for not so great reasons. So for anybody who doesn't know, two siblings, Lilly and Jack Sullivan, have gone missing and so far, no one knows where they are. The search is still ongoing, but there's a lot of questions and not many answers. So we're going to break down what we know so far, what's been reported, and where the investigation stands right now, and potentially what we can do moving forward. But at minimum, Crime Weekly News, it's a

• 1:01Derrick Levasseur?

  vessel for information sharing. We talked about Grant Harden last week. We want to make people aware of it. We want people to be safe. Here's another opportunity to use our platform, share a message where maybe this community together can help bring these two kids home. That's what we're really hoping for. So Stephanie, break it down for us.

• 1:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and the community has been searching for them tirelessly. We're going into, I believe, we're in the fourth week, the fourth week of this search. So this happened on the morning of May 2, 2025. Six-year-old Lilly and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing from their home on Gerlock Road in Lansdowne Station, Pick 2 County. This is a very isolated area, I have to say that, especially where they lived. It's pretty isolated. And the children were in the home with their mother and their stepfather and a baby sibling that the mother and stepfather share. So according to the stepfather, Daniel Martel, the children were last seen around 10 a.m. He said that he and the children's mother, Malia Brooks Murray, were in their bedroom with their one-year-old daughter

• 2:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  when they realized Lilly and Jack were no longer in the house. Martel reported that the backsliding door was closed, but the children's boots were missing, leading them to believe the siblings had wandered outside. And Martel's given a lot of interviews.

• 2:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  The mother, um, up to this point has only given one and then it was reported that after they did a sort of, um, gathering, a community gathering for the children, the mother was there with Dan Martel and then she left and then she left this event, she left him, she took their daughter and she went and, and kind of moved in with her mother. So it's obviously a little like, hmm, why did you do that? What's going on here? There's suspicion that the parents know more. It doesn't really make sense to me, their story either. Now, I'm not jumping to the gun and, you know, jumping conclusions and making huge speculations, but the story really doesn't make sense to me. You've got a four

• 3:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  year old, you've got a six year old in the house, you, the two adults in the house along with the baby are in the bedroom, sleeping at 10 still. The baby is sleeping because, uh, Martel said that Lilly poked her head in once and he had to keep telling the kids to be quiet because the baby was sleeping. And I just don't know what kind of baby is still sleeping at 10 a.m. Like usually babies of that age are up at six or seven and then maybe they're going down for another nap at 10. But the way that Dan Martel and, uh, Malaya have kind of made it out is that they were sleeping and then kind of woke up around nine when the kids were kind of being loud and then they went back to sleep. And Martel keeps saying, you know, I don't know how they got out of the house without me hearing.

• 3:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  The screen door is very squeaky. The screen door is squeaky. I don't know how they could possibly gotten out. The, the backyard is fenced in, so they would have had to have actively left the, the fenced in area of the backyard. And Dan Martel has once again said, they never leave the backyard. Like we do go all over the place, but they're always with us. They're always with an adult. I don't know if they would have felt safe, you know, leaving the backyard on their own, but kind of a weird thing, right? Yeah. Um, and initially the RCMP, which is the Royal Canadian Mounted Patrol.

• 4:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's their law enforcement there. They believed that Lilly and Jack had simply wandered away from their home and there was no evidence to suggest foul play. However, as days turned into weeks with no sign of the children, the investigation's scope widened. On May 28th, authorities confirmed that the siblings were seen in public with family members on May 1st, the day before they reported missing. And so this information narrowed down the timeline of their disappearance and prompted investigators to request any dash cam footage or video taken along Gerlock Road between April 28th and May 2nd. And another kind of suspicious thing is the kids didn't go to school the day that they were reported missing. Martel, he said that this was because one of them had had like

• 4:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  a little cough or some sniffles and so he didn't send either of them into school because, you know, that was a concern. He didn't want to get the other kids sick. But that's always a suspicious thing when the kids don't go to school on the day that they go missing. And I guess the day before had been a holiday and then it was a weekend. So really, nobody at the school had seen Lilly or Jack for several days. And this was leading some people to speculate, you know, did something happen to them before that day and they just reported them missing on this day? Now, police are saying, no, we've seen them with family members on May 1st. But was that at night on May 1st? Could something have happened at nighttime? And then they woke up and like planned what they were going to tell the police and that the kids went missing? This is like very, very nerve wracking because these are two

• 5:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  little kids. And Derek and I have talked about this before. What was the case that we did with the little boy, Dior Kuns?

• 5:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Dior Kuns. We've also done Summer Wells.

• 5:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. A lot of people are saying this is very reminiscent of Summer Wells. I mean, if you look at the property that they live on.

• 5:55Derrick Levasseur?

  It's very similar.

• 5:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. And the only reason I say Dior Kuns is because we talked about it. You know, how far can a small child like this get in unknown and wild terrain? And right around the family home, it's very wild. Lots of forest, trees. Like Derek said, Nova Scotia's a beautiful, natural beauty sort of place.

• 6:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Whenever you have a child involved, or in this case, children involved, you don't want to, you don't want to come after the parents right away because it may, they may be going through their own nightmare.

• 6:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, exactly. It's so, it's such a tough sort of line to walk.

• 6:26Derrick Levasseur?

  It's a tough dynamic because you should be looking at the last people to see them. But then you also want to have some level of sympathy for them because they could be victims in this as well. But the the number one goal is to find the children. And you have to go to the source and the source would be the parents because they know the whereabouts, they know the the children's last activities. And just initially, and there's a lot more to cover in here. I can tell you have a lot more in this that we we're gonna go over, but just just off the rip, just me hearing about this for the first time. As a parent, and I'm not trying to pass judgment, but to be honest, I am a little bit. I I have two children, 12 and nine.

• 7:07Derrick Levasseur?

  So similar age gap there, they're a little older now, but they were similar age gaps. And I can't recall a time where Jana or I wouldn't have our eyes on the kids for more than a couple of seconds.

• 7:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 7:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Four years old is extremely young.

• 7:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know.

• 7:20Derrick Levasseur?

  It's extremely young and the the the six year old isn't old enough to

• 7:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  To watch the four year old.

• 7:27Derrick Levasseur?

  So so there is some judgment being passed there because things like this, not this extreme can happen. It could be more so of the in line of them being injured inside the house. There's things all over the house. You leave them alone. Any parents out there know what I'm talking about. You leave your kid alone for a couple of seconds and all of a sudden there you're going to the hospital. I had an incident just to, you know, make myself look bad here, where I left Tenley alone for a couple of minutes in the bedroom. It was during Christmas time. Uh, to to to give you kind of an idea of what I'm talking about here, there's a shelf underneath our TV that's hanging on the wall. And on that shelf, we had those like heavy statues you'd like hang your um stockings, Christmas stockings off of.

• 8:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, they are so heavy.

• 8:13Derrick Levasseur?

  And this one, it's kind of, it worked out good, okay, but this one had like a edge on it. It was like iron, like like cast iron or whatever.

• 8:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes.

• 8:21Derrick Levasseur?

  And all of a sudden I hear Jana. A blood curdling scream and then I hear the Tenley start screaming and I look around the corner and Tenley looks like she's out of that movie Carrie like you know where she's

• 8:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Covered in blood, yeah.

• 8:35Derrick Levasseur?

  From her forehead down to her nose and I'm like, oh my, you know, God, what just happened?

• 8:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Did she pull the stocking down and make it come down on her head?

• 8:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep, pulled the stocking down, the corner hit her head.

• 8:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh my God.

• 8:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Luckily, it was such a small cut, but your head bleeds.

• 8:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  But the head bleeds, oh.

• 8:52Derrick Levasseur?

  But initially-

• 8:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  So you must have been absolutely just, yeah, well that's anything, just a few minutes.

• 8:57Derrick Levasseur?

  Few seconds and that could have been, my, the reason I say all this is it could have been a lot worse.

• 9:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh my God, what if you hit her high, her eye?

• 9:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Exactly, and I, we were fortunate, but it, I was more mad at myself than anything because I'm like, why would I leave her in there alone when she's moving, she's touching things, she's, you know, she's curious, like, yeah, it was only a second, I went to the bathroom, I think to grab a toothpick, but that's all it took, so, people make mistakes, I'm not trying to villainize the family members here at this point, but it does, it does raise some questions of, okay, I can see them maybe opening the door and you not being aware of it, that even to me is a lot-

• 9:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Why do both of the parents have to be in the bed? One parent's with the baby, why do both have to still be sleeping at 10 a.m. on a Friday when your other kids are home?

• 9:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Right, but let's say for a second, there's an innocent thing there where he just went in there for a second to give her a kiss or whatever, who knows?

• 9:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, no, he said he was sleeping, no, they were sleeping.

• 9:50Derrick Levasseur?

  That's the problem, right, but I'm just trying to do a hypothetical here, let's say for a second, they went in there just to check in on them or make a quick conversation, you would think because you have a six-year-old and a four-year-old out in the main area, at some point, you'd go back out there pretty relatively quickly, and so even if they were able to open the door without being detected, you would catch them in the backyard or something before they have a chance to leave the fenced-in area because you're gonna walk into the living room or wherever and you're gonna say, where are the kids? And you're gonna immediately start to search for them, so, how far can they really get? That's the point I'm trying to make, but here, we have to believe that not only did they get out of the house undetected, but they got out of the backyard and they got

• 10:32Derrick Levasseur?

  into the wooded area or wherever they went before anyone realized that they were gone. And that's an extended period of time. So you have to ask yourself at minimum, how long were they in the bedroom sleeping after Lilly and Jack left the property?

• 10:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right. So I wanted to correct something I said earlier and also give you a little bit more information on that. But first, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

• 10:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're back from break. So remember before the break when I was first explaining it, I said, oh, I think the stepdad said something about the screen door being really loud. No, he said the opposite. So here's what Dan Martel told the, a few media outlets about what happened the morning the children were missing. He said, quote, "Lilly came into the room multiple times. I seen her that morning and Jack was out playing in the kitchen. I'm guessing, and they slid open the back sliding door. It's almost like silent to hear it sliding. They slid it open, the boots were right beside the door, and they proceeded to, I'm guessing, play outside. They must have got out through the back fence and then they were gone. As soon as I seen they were gone, I immediately jumped in the car and did all the dirt roads and all the culverts checking over the rivers and streams.

• 11:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  As soon as I got home 10 minutes later, I headed out on foot." End quote. So he's saying this, the sliding glass door is almost silent. So that's why they didn't hear it open. But you look at this house and Derek, do you have it up?

• 11:53Derrick Levasseur?

  I have it up right here. We're going to throw it up for people on YouTube. So they have a good, they have a good image of this. It's all woods around them.

• 12:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  It is. This is the, this is a very huge part of like this area. It is not only is it a small rural community. It's got dense forests, winding backcountry roads, very limited infrastructure. Cellular service is virtually non-existent in many areas. And the community is accessible primarily via local roads that are known mostly to residents. The closest town is about a 15 minute drive away. This is kind of going to give you another idea of the area's seclusion. The population is only around 100 people and many of these people are related. They've lived there for generations. This is a close knit community, which also contributes to like how strong that they have come together to find Jack and Lilly.

• 12:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  But it also underscores the challenges faced during emergencies, such as these recent search efforts where they just don't know where to look. Because technically, these parents don't actually know when the kids got out, right? Because apparently this sliding glass door is so silent. I would think maybe you could hear them playing outside, maybe you'd hear their voices yelling from outside and that would sort of, I don't know, clue you in, but once again, if they were sleeping, I can't sleep that deeply in the morning, once I've already woken up or been woken up by the kids, because then I feel like even if I try to close my eyes, I still have one ear open, so I'm just not, I'm just not sure. The property is pretty rural.

• 13:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  It does very much feel like Summer Wells. And also, Dan Martell's mother apparently also lives on the property in a dilapidated camper with multiple cats-

• 13:36Derrick Levasseur?

  You can see it here.

• 13:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  -and a dog. And it overlooks the fenced-in backyard where the parents have reported that the children must have escaped from and wandered off.

• 13:46Derrick Levasseur?

  You guys definitely gotta go, if you're not watching on YouTube, you gotta go look at the photos. I mean, it gives you a better idea of what we're dealing with.

• 13:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's Summer Wells all over again, right? And so, look at the screen door. If you see the picture, I just don't, I have a screen door in my house, you know, like to go out to the back. It's certainly not silent. Unless you're oiling that thing consistently, no screen door or sliding door is silent. And I can't really tell, is this sliding door just a glass door, or is there a screen and a glass? I would hope there was a screen and a glass. But I guess if it was just the sliding glass door, it could be quieter, but the screen is never quiet. The screen part is just never quiet. So, it doesn't really add up. And obviously, Dan Martell being the stepfather, being the person who's

• 14:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  been the most vocal to the media, with the mother not really saying anything, he's been talking about what the police have been doing with him. I always get concerned when the parents do a lot of talking, because it gives opportunities for their stories to be compared, their stories to change over time, which has sort of happened. He apparently was questioned for hours at the Pick Two County District RCMP detachment in this town, in the town of Stellerton. He did that on May 6, 2025, and he said that he was asked to go over details and timelines to the minute and then draw on maps where he thought the kids would be. And he told the media, quote, "They're easy on me because they know I'm telling the truth about everything," end quote. I always get concerned when people say that.

• 15:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's like you're preemptively setting the narrative. The police have not come out and said any of this. Dan Martel is, and the police aren't really confirming anything. You know, he's been like, "Yeah, I've taken a lie. I want to take a lie detector test. I want them to, you know, believe me." And this could be because he sees the chatter online, because a lot of people, you know how this goes with cases like this. Yeah. Obviously, he's seeing what they're saying online. Obviously, he doesn't want to be. So is his consistent talking to the media and sort of like trying to let everybody know, "I'm innocent, the police don't think I did anything," is that because it's in response to what people are saying? Or is it like a shady sort of thing, like Letitia Stalk, like Chris Watts, where they're coming out and be like, "We just want them found. We just want them found. We can't even tell anymore."

• 16:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because what is his, what would his behavior be naturally if nobody online was saying anything about him? Would he still feel the need to defend himself in such a vehement way? I don't know. I can't really tell.

• 16:14Derrick Levasseur?

  So first off, there's a map right here that we're throwing up on YouTube, and it's the search that's been done in that area. There's all different color coding going on there, and that's, that's a combination of things. It could be horseback, it could be drones, it could be canines, it could be people on foot doing search grids. And basically, though, we're tracking devices so that the, the RCMP can track what has been searched and what hasn't. So if you're on YouTube right now, you're seeing all these different lines and colors. And if you're listening on audio, I will tell you this, it's extensive. The search is vast, it's extensive, and it's overlapping. It's overlapping. And so the likelihood of the children still being in that area is not high. I will say this, just as a silver lining before I get into my final thoughts on this,

• 16:57Derrick Levasseur?

  there have been cases where children can survive this long out in the woods. It's not A lot, but there are cases. I was looking up something.

• 17:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  It was very cold.

• 17:05Derrick Levasseur?

  That's the problem. All the, all the elements outside play a factor in that, but I remember reading an article, it was in, it was from June. I read it before we started recording this where there was a, there was some children that survived a plane crash and, and survived in the rainforest for over 40 days.

• 17:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's crazy.

• 17:20Derrick Levasseur?

  So, but, but again, these children were 13, nine, four, and 11. So.

• 17:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I don't know about a four and a six-year-old surviving by themselves out in the elements.

• 17:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, that's, that's the problem. And in fact, let me just make sure I'm correct. It was an 11-month-old baby that was out in that rainforest. But again, circumstance is different. So.

• 17:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Where did you see this? That sounds so interesting. I'd like to look into it.

• 17:38Derrick Levasseur?

  I'll send you the link right now and I'll also post it in the description of this, of this episode. So.

• 17:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, we need a happy ending sometimes.

• 17:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Here's my takeaway with the limited information that I know about this case. It's one of two things. Either there's neglect and negligence, or there's something more nefarious going on here. And law enforcement is exploring both scenarios. Here's my take just from 35,000 feet. I think mom left stepdad because mom's holding stepdad responsible.

• 18:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  You, do you think it's because she knows something and suspected, or just because, why would she hold him responsible when she too was sleeping in there, her kids?

• 18:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Because here's my thing. I think she's in bed with the baby or whatever. She's doing, she's taking care of baby duty. And he comes in and decides to take a nap as well because he's tired. And if she was handling the baby, he should have been out with the other kids. So he's in with her, he's snoozing, and it allows for this to all unfold. And I think the way law enforcement is approaching it right now, to just put it bluntly, as like this was a major screw up by him, where he's innocent of a crime, but he's not innocent of being a bad parent in this moment.

• 18:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay. So here's what I'm, my question. Do you think that something nefarious happened? Or do you think that they truly just wandered off and something happened to them?

• 18:58Derrick Levasseur?

  My initial gut is just, it's an accident.

• 19:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  I will say though, that Malaya's mother did post something on Facebook. And it's kind of a different story than what Dan Martel is saying. And she said, quote, "The kids were last seen Thursday night when they went to bed. They were heard playing in their room around 8:30 Friday morning. Mom and stepdad fell back to sleep and woke up to silence. They couldn't find the kids and called 911 around 9:40. Search dogs couldn't find the scent past the driveway." So the search dogs couldn't find the kids' scent. Past the driveway. So according to Tom Martel, he actually saw Lilly that morning. He said she poked her head in a few times and that's how she, he knew she was wearing a pink shirt. But according to Malaya's mom, they were, neither Malaya nor Dan Martel saw the kids after Thursday night.

• 19:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  They just heard them playing in the house. So once again, this is a little bit of like, what's the story here? Did Lilly poke her head in? You saw her wearing a pink shirt? Or did you only hear them playing and you didn't actually physically see them? In that case, the description of what they're even wearing and how they, people should be looking for them wouldn't even be accurate. So it's kind of a concern, but.

• 20:03Derrick Levasseur?

  And, and that goes in line with what I'm saying where if this isn't something that's more nefarious, there's some type of collaborative effort here and it was just a mistake. That could be the reason for the inconsistencies in the story because as Dan Martel is telling his, his accounts of what happened, he's realizing how, how guilty he looks in the sense of like, at minimum, you're a bad parent. You didn't do your job and because of it, the kids got out of your, your view and they were able to escape into the woods. And who knows what happens from there. So I think at minimum, the reason for the changing of the stories is trying to soften the landing as far as culpability, just from a parental perspective where it's like, hey,

• 20:45Derrick Levasseur?

  if you had just got out of bed, we wouldn't be here right now. Now as far as Jack and Lilly, I don't want to speculate too much because it's not good. But being out in the Canadian wilderness like this, there are obviously a lot of dangers out there. And I'm not even just talking about animals. So being out there alone at six and four years old.

• 21:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Rivers.

• 21:05Derrick Levasseur?

  It's not good. It's not good. And, and I'm hoping that this is one of those examples, like I just told you about that previous article, where it turns out and it's a miracle and Jack and Lilly are found before this video is even, even released. But I guess where I would end it here is.

• 21:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  I doubt it and.

• 21:22Derrick Levasseur?

  I do, I do too, but I hope I'm wrong, but I think we have to hold out hope.

• 21:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Looking for so long, four weeks now. No sign, Derek. No, no sign. Not, not a shoe, not a piece of clothing.

• 21:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Nothing.

• 21:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  Nothing, not any. And, and here's my thing, like I'm having a hard time believing that two kids, four and six, would leave the safety of their backyard. When I mean, it's pretty expansive backyard. There's lots of trouble you could get into just in that yard. Okay. There's like abandoned cars and tires and there's tons of, tons of ways they could hurt themselves or get into trouble just in that backyard. I'm having a hard time believing that a four-year-old and a six-year-old would be like, "Hey, yeah, let's leave the backyard that we've never left by ourselves before and journey out into the wilderness and the forest." It feels like they would be scared. I know my kids would never have done that. So it's hard for me to believe that they did that and they got far enough because the parents estimate that it was about 20 minutes before they realized the kids were gone.

• 22:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  That they got far enough in that time with the quick law enforcement response and then this huge search. I mean, they got dogs, they got hundreds of people on foot, they've got drones and planes up there that they would get that far. They might have like gone in and gotten scared and maybe they would have just sat down and been like, "Oh, we'll wait for somebody to come for us." But why would they keep going deeper into the woods? They would have been scared. It's not a place that they're familiar with. It's not a place that they often went. It just doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't. And why wouldn't they have done that before? Why did they do it that day? There feels like something is really, really missing from this story.

• 22:52Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I, I, I'm with you, but it doesn't necessarily mean that a crime was committed. But I'm with you. There's parts of the story that are being omitted and maybe it's just for the sake of looking better. You also, one more thing, because you know, we could talk about this for two hours. The mother-in-law as well, being on the property, what did she see? What did she hear? I know what she's saying. You're already relating that.

• 23:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, that was the mother of Malaya. So.

• 23:15Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, Malaya. Okay. So that, but who else, who else is there? Who else was aware of what's going on? Again, it has a lot of.

• 23:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Pretty small community, not a lot of strangers too. And that's the thing, like you'd think, oh, maybe they were abducted, right? But this is a place where pretty much if you're going to get to this area, you'd have to know the backroads and the, and the way. You're not just driving by. You're not getting off the highway and driving through this area as a stranger and being like, "Oh, two kids." You know, like, there's like a hundred people who live here. They all know each other. So if they were taken, it would have to be by somebody who knew them.

• 23:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  And in that case, it's not going to be pretty hard to narrow that down because there's only really not many people who even live in this community.

• 23:53Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, well, that's where we'll leave it. So if you're from that area or you know any of the individuals involved in this case,

• 23:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Please be on the lookout.

• 24:00Derrick Levasseur?

  and you have information that could help bring Jack and Lilly home, please contact the RCMP or contact your local authorities. It doesn't necessarily mean you know where Jack and Lilly are, but if you have information about one of the parties that we've mentioned today, and you think it would be advantageous for law enforcement to know those stories, call in, let them decide whether it's significant or not. So we're calling on everybody who's listening or watching this episode. If you have any information that could help bring Jack and Lilly home, please contact the authorities immediately.

• 24:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  And if you want to remain anonymous, you can call the Nova Scotia Crime Stoppers toll-free at 1-800-222-TIPS, which is 8477. Tips is 8477. And you can also submit a secure web tip at www.crimestoppers.n s.ca. So this is if you like to remain anonymous. You don't kind of want your name mixed in this. Maybe you do know something. You don't want to say it out loud or you don't want it to be tracked back to you. Please, if you know anything, if you even think you see anything, call somebody, let them know. You see something, say something. These are two little kids, four and six. And if there's any chance to bring them home safely, we'd like to take advantage of that.

• 25:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Absolutely, guys. We will be back later this week with Darlie Routier, Part Three. It's been a fascinating series, a lot of discussion about it. Until then, everyone stay safe out there. We'll see you soon.

• 25:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bye.