S3 Ep286: Crime Weekly News: Idaho Four Text Messages & 911 Call Released

Recently unsealed court documents have provided new insight into the hours following the tragic murders of four University of Idaho students. In this episode, we go over the 911 call made from the house on King Road and the text messages exchanged between the surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funke. We're coming to CrimeCon Denver! Use our code CRIMEWEEKLY for 10% off your tickets!https://www.crimecon.com/CC25Try our coffee!! - www. CriminalCoffeeCo.comBecome a Patreon member -- > ｿ https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeeklyShop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> ｿ https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shopYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcastWebsite: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.comInstagram: @CrimeWeeklyPodTwitter: @CrimeWeeklyPodFacebook: @CrimeWeeklyPod

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• 0:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 0:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:19Derrick Levasseur?

  How are you Stephanie?

• 0:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm okay, how are you?

• 0:22Derrick Levasseur?

  We're in rough shape. I have a sore throat, you have a broken rib.

• 0:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, it's like fractured, but yeah.

• 0:27Derrick Levasseur?

  We're doing great over here.

• 0:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Accident prone, yeah.

• 0:29Derrick Levasseur?

  We're definitely struggling a little bit, but we're pushing through it. We're gonna get it done. And as you guys can tell from the thumbnail, we're discussing the Idaho four murders again. This is a case that's really captured the nation for the right reasons. As parents, we're all sending our kids off to school, entrusting that they're gonna be okay. That they're in the right hands and they're gonna be safe, but unfortunately, that's just not the reality. And this is an example of it here, and we're still learning more about this case as we move forward through the process of the trial against Brian Koberger, the alleged killer. And newly released text messages have shed light on the harrowing moments experienced by the two surviving roommates during the November 2022 murders of four University of Idaho students.

• 1:13Derrick Levasseur?

  These messages detailed in recent court filings are expected to play a crucial role in the prosecution's case against Brian Koberger, as I said, the suspect in the killings. We're also going to discuss the chilling 911 call, which was recently released as well. We've had a chance to look at some of it, but in case you haven't seen the messages or heard the 911 call, we're gonna play them here. Anything else you want to add Stephanie?

• 1:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, we were actually talking about this before we started filming, and I think I had the answer to your question, so I guess what I want to put light on here is sort of the timeline. Because that's important. Because on the night of the murders, the surviving, the two surviving roommates who are identified by the initials DM and BF, they exchanged frantic messages around 4:22. And this, these messages actually went on from like 4:22 to 4:24. So this would have been approximately five minutes after the intruder is believed to have left the house, I guess. So what I'm looking at here as far as timeline is 4:00 AM was when

• 2:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Xana Kernodle received a DoorDash delivery. And Xana was one of the four victims. At 4:12 AM, Xana was active on TikTok. At 4:17 AM, a nearby security camera recorded some distorted audio of voices, a whimper, a loud thud, and a barking dog. And 4:20 is, we have a white Honda Elantra that has been connected to Brian Koberger, seen departing the area at high speed. Now, the first time that surveillance footage captured this white Honda Elantra was 2:44 AM, and he was near the vicinity of the home. So these texts were going on between the two surviving roommates. They started at 4:22, and they start with

• 3:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  DM messaging BF saying, "No one is answering." Then DM also says to BF, "I'm really confused right now." And then DM messages Kaylee Goncalves and says, "Kaylee, what's going on?" Then BF, the other roommate, messages DM and says, "Yeah, dude, WTF?" BF also says to DM, "Xana was wearing all black." Then DM says to BF, "I'm freaking out right now." And she says to BF, "No, it's like a ski mask almost," right? So when BF says, "Xana's wearing all black," I think she's trying to reassure her friend almost, because the other roommate's like, "Hey, somebody's in here, wearing all black. What's going on?

• 3:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Like, this is scaring me." And the other roommate's like, "Oh, Xana was wearing black tonight." And she's like, "No, it's like a ski mask almost." And then BF says to DM, "STFU, actually?" question mark. And then DM says to BF, like he had something over his head. And mouth. I'm not kidding. I'm so freaked out. BF then says to DM, so am I. DM says to BF, my phone is gonna die. BF says to DM, come to my room. Run down here. So while this is happening, these two surviving roommates are texting each other. They clearly know that that something's wrong, something's going on, there's somebody in the house, especially

• 4:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  the roommate who saw, who we believe to be Brian Koberger, and that's why she's texting her other roommate, like, yo, I saw something, this is messed up. They were wearing all black. And the other roommate's like, oh, well, Xander was wearing black, you know, it could be her. And they're like, no, there's, there's something going on. They had like a ski mask on, something's going on. Now, the 911 call doesn't actually happen until 11:58 a.m. And we're going to play that for you right now. This was just released, and it is really disturbing.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  I don't know on occasion of your emergency.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  Hi, something is happening. Something's happening. I don't know what.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  What is the address of the emergency?

• 5:11Speaker 03

  1122.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  What is the rest of the address?

• 5:22Speaker 03

  Oh, King Road.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  Okay. And is that a house or an apartment?

• 5:28Speaker 03

  It's a house.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Can you repeat the address to make sure that I have it right?

• 5:33Speaker 03

  I'll talk to you guys. We're, um, we live at the White, so we're next to them.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  I need someone to repeat the address for verification.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  The, the address, 1122 King Road.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  And what's the phone number that you're calling from?

• 5:47Speaker 03

  What's your phone number?

• 5:51Speaker 02

  And tell me exactly what's going on.

• 5:53Speaker 03

  Um, one of our, one of the roommates has passed out, and she was drunk last night. I just don't wake the up.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  Oh, and they saw some man in their house last night. Yeah.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Hi, this is.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  And are you with the patient? Okay, I need someone to keep the phone. Stop passing it around.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  Can I just tell you what happened pretty much?

• 6:15Speaker 02

  What is going on currently? Has someone passed out right now?

• 6:19Speaker 03

  I don't really know, but pretty much at 4 a.m.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Okay, I need to know what's going on right now. If someone has passed out, can you find that out?

• 6:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll come. Come on, we gotta go check.

• 6:30Speaker 03

  But we have to.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Is she caught? No.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  She's not so what's wrong?

• 6:55Speaker 03

  She's not waking up.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  Okay, one moment, I'm getting help started that way.

• 7:03Speaker 03

  Okay, thank you.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Okay, and how old is she?

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Um, she's twenty.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Twenty, you said?

• 7:50Speaker 03

  Yes, twenty, here, do I press them?

• 7:53Speaker 04

  Hello?

• 7:56Speaker 04

  Hello?

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Okay, I need someone to stop passing the phone around because I've talked to four different people.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Okay, sorry, they just gave me the phone.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Is she breathing?

• 8:06Speaker 04

  Hello?

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Is she breathing?

• 8:09Speaker 04

  No.

• 8:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:18Speaker 04

  You need to talk to them, say, "I can't talk to them, I need you to talk to them."

• 8:23Speaker 03

  Hello?

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Okay. I have already sent the ambulance and law enforcement. Stay on the line. If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  Say that again?

• 8:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  There's a police here right now.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Okay. If there's a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it.

• 8:44Speaker 03

  We don't have one.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  Do you have a defibrillator? Yes. Yes, you have one.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Are you talking to the officer?

• 8:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm gonna let you go since she's there with you and can help you.

• 8:57Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 8:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, yeah, that's tough to hear. We've obviously heard worse 911 calls, but do you want to talk about this call a little bit? Kind of break down what we hear in conjunction with the text messages that you read before that?

• 9:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, first, I want to ask, like, do they train these 911 dispatchers to be absolute robots? Robots who are completely frustrated with people calling because I just, I feel like we run into this so much. And I feel like if the first person that these people are talking to on the phone had some, like, ability to be more, like, compassionate and calming and not act like, you know, like, customer service during the busy season of Christmas who just is done and doesn't want to do their job anymore, it would probably be easier to get information out of these people if there was just some, like, I don't know, humanity exhibited. It's very frustra-- and I know that's not the point, but it's very frustrating because, like, yes, the dispatcher doesn't know what's happening. It could just be a drunk kid or whatever.

• 9:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  But the fact is, this roommate is seeing her friend dead in front of her. And she's like, "Please stop passing the phone around. I've talked to, like, four people right now. This is big." Like, it's just, it's infuriating to hear and knowing what these, these poor girls went through and, like, what they have to live with now. And this person that they're talking to to get help can't even summon up, like, any kind of bedside manner.

• 10:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I'm glad you brought it up because I'm sure a lot of people feel the way you do. And I haven't been in law enforcement in a long time, so I think as I've become more separated, I also forget how it was when I was on the job because I've, I've had to work as a dispatcher. You know, when the dispatchers are on their breaks or there's one unavailable, we have to work dispatch that day. And I think the first thing we can point out is obviously the dispatcher on the other end doesn't know what's transpiring. They don't know what's going on at the, on the other end of that phone. And as a dispatcher, and I'm going to talk about this call specifically, but just in general, as a dispatcher, our number one responsibility is to gather as much information as possible, make sure it's as accurate as possible for a multitude

• 10:55Derrick Levasseur?

  of reasons. One, we want to make sure that we send the right services, ambulance, law enforcement, et cetera. We also want to do our best to make sure we understand the dangers that might be present for the officers when they arrive. Is there someone with a gun? Is there someone with a knife? Like, what are the circumstances that they're dealing with? And we also want to know what's going on at the call currently, because that can increase the sense of urgency. There's a code one call, a code two call, code three call. Obviously, someone not breathing is going to be a code three. You want to get their lights and sirens as fast as possible. And in that, there's also danger for the officers and the firefighters and the EMTs, because now they're traveling at a high rate

• 11:36Derrick Levasseur?

  of speed on small roads, and you're not only putting the officers at danger, but also the civilians that are driving to work or driving wherever they're going. So it's a big decision for the dispatcher to make that call to say, hey, I'm sending you guys code three, because God forbid that officer strikes and hurts a passenger vehicle, that can come back on that police department and the dispatcher. Now, with this call in mind, there's some things, as a father, as a civilian, I've been spoken to this way by officers and by dispatchers. It's unpleasant. As an adult, nobody likes to be spoken to like that. I didn't completely understand why she was so frustrated about multiple people

• 12:20Derrick Levasseur?

  speaking to her. I would want the most articulate person on the phone. So, so like the male that got on the phone, I could, I can understand him the best. So personally, I would have liked him on the phone, because it's like, hey, man, you seem like you're calm right now. Tell me what's going on. So I didn't understand that part of it, but there is, I think you described it perfectly, kind of like this robotic approach to it. And I do think there could be some more emotion with it, and maybe a little bit more humanity as you described it in these calls. But I can see over time, how these- Individuals get desensitized to these types of calls. So they do become robotic because this is probably her 30th call that day.

• 13:01Derrick Levasseur?

  So I think at best, the way she handled it, that's what we can hope for. Although in a perfect world, I would like to see a little bit more empathy, a little bit more emotion, a little bit more, like you said, just humanity is the best way to describe it where it sounds like you and I like, hey, what's going on? Do I think in hindsight, without knowing this person, realizing what was going on on the other end, maybe she would have been a little bit more sympathetic. Uh, but there's no way of her knowing that. So I see both sides to it. I'm not trying to, you know, kind of skirt the fence here. It it's tough. It's such a difficult situation, but the number one thing is to get the, the accurate details of what's being reported for everybody involved.

• 13:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I just feel like if you hear somebody, if you hear somebody and they're clearly

• 13:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Distressed.

• 13:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know, distressed and, and can't even focus and they're crying and they're breathing heavy, like they're panicking.

• 13:53Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 13:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  The human in you would be like, okay, calm down. Like, everything's gonna be fine. To want to get them to be calm or so that they can give you

• 14:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 14:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  accurate information and not sound completely frustrated and pissed off at them, which is if somebody's already in that situation, going to just cause them more because now they're like, oh, I'm not doing this right, but they can't make their brain do something when they're in, you know, they can't make their brain be logical and calm and give, you know, very detailed factual calm information when they're in such a heightened state. So not helping them get down from that heightened state doesn't seem to be helping the dispatcher get what she needs to get. So, and like you said, she doesn't know what's going on.

• 14:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Stephanie, and I, I don't disagree with you, by the way, I don't, because I do think this can have an adverse effect where you're trying to gather as much information and as possible, and you want to be accurate. By you talking to someone like this, it can, it can actually cause them to kind of clam up and not say anything because now they're frustrated with you. Now, fortunately, in this case, you have young adults on the other end, so they're more willing to be spoken to like this. But I can tell you right now, if, if you're an adult on the other end and you have, and you have an adult speaking to you like this, it absolutely can frustrate you.

• 15:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:05Derrick Levasseur?

  And you're gonna, you're like, who are you talking to right now? And then now they don't even want to speak to you.

• 15:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  And if there had been nobody else there, like a neighbor or that guy. There might not have been as easy of a way of getting, because the guy's the one that was like, no, she's not breathing, right?

• 15:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. He was the one who was able to do it. But, but let's actually talk about that because, well, first off, you have the text messages and you kind of, you kind of weighed in on that. And I agree with you. And like you said, the question I had had was, it seems like it kind, the conversation kind of transitions where they're talking about Xana, but then you hear Dylan say that it was him, he. And we had talked before the recording that clearly, and I'm going to say Brian Koberger, because I do believe it's Brian Koberger. That's just my professional opinion, based on everything I've seen. I, I believe that he covered himself basically head to toe. And I had described as basically like a ninja mask almost, where you could only see his eyes. And that would make sense.

• 16:01Derrick Levasseur?

  He knew what he was going there to do. He went in there with these intentions. He wanted to avoid detection, apprehension and identification as much as possible. So if you know you're going into someone's home, you're going to try to cover yourself as much as possible. And, and you can see it going back and forth here. And obviously they're putting it together. And I believe when we originally covered this case, we talked about this. We were realist about it. Where you have four young women, college age, living in a house. There's no secret. We've seen some of the video camera footage from previous incidents where officers have responded to this address for parties. There's nothing wrong with it. They're doing what every single one of us did in college.

• 16:44Derrick Levasseur?

  There's people coming in and out throughout the night, and you see some crazy shit at college. So when this is all going down, initially, your first thought is, one of my roommates are having a crazy night. Something's going on. But then there are things that occur like a dude being dressed head to toe in all black and having a freaking ski mask on. Where you start to realize, this isn't like those other things that I've experienced. So I know there were a lot of people initially who were saying that the two surviving witnesses, something wasn't right with them. Something wasn't lining up. Were they involved? And I pushed back pretty heavy on that initially. I'll push back on it even more right now.

• 17:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Clearly, this is two young individuals who have never had their, their friends murdered.

• 17:36Derrick Levasseur?

  In their home. This isn't something that a normal person should have to experience. So as they're processing it, like you said, with the 911 call, this is all happening for the first time. And what was interesting to transition to that 911 call is from some of the photos that we have seen. One in particular, the blood dripping out from under the vinyl siding. That must have been the other room and not Xana. Because to me, it looks like, at least it sounds like I should say, there wasn't as much blood as I would have expected. Because initially, they thought she just was unconscious.

• 18:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, exactly. That's also something that got me, which is like, it appears there's a lot of people, at least more than one person, observing this, this body right now. And they continue saying she's not waking up, she passed out. There's no sign of what happened to her?

• 18:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I, I, or maybe she was covered, maybe the room, even though it's later in the morning, it's still dark in the room. You know, you have those room darkening shades. Maybe there's only one window. And so they're more seeing an outline of a person and, you know, they can see him a little bit, but it isn't until you pop the lights on that you actually see more. Now, me and you are sitting here and we could say, well, why wouldn't they turn the lights on? Again, in a moment of trauma, you do things that you wouldn't normally do. So we don't know the exact circumstances, but

• 19:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Maybe she, because she was in bed, they, there was blankets on.

• 19:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Covers on her or something, yeah. Yeah, if Brian attacks her, she might, he might have left the covers on. But it does appear without them saying it, that the male student that goes in there, he gets a little bit more up close and personal. And I think that moment where there's a little silence, and then you hear him saying, get out, get out, get out. He is now realizing what has transpired here. And he wants everybody out of the room. Now that could be because he doesn't want to contaminate a crime scene or be held responsible for something. It could also be that he knows the killer or killers could still be in the area. He wants to get out of there. I don't know what his thought process is.

• 19:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, oh yeah, I mean, yeah, you could tell from, from that when he, he realizes the gravity of the situation.

• 19:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 19:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  And maybe, you know, the, the roommate was too kind of like, just stressed out. She seems very stressed out to just think that maybe her roommate's not. I think there was something in her head. That was like, there was a guy in here last night.

• 20:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Everything was clicking.

• 20:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Everything was clicking, but not processing yet.

• 20:05Derrick Levasseur?

  She wanted to get it out to the dispatcher.

• 20:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 20:07Derrick Levasseur?

  And the dispatcher wouldn't let her, which by the way, that part of it, I don't have an issue with. That's why she's saying, tell me about what's going on right now. It goes back to what I was saying is important for the dispatcher. The, the, the actual moment they're in, is there a threat to someone at the scene? Is there a threat to officers? What type of services do they need now? The officers will get the report from what happened at 4 a.m. in the morning. And also you don't really want them going through that with the dispatcher, even though it's recorded. You'd rather them give their first version with detectives on scene.

• 20:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, she's trying to process, I think, and yeah, in real time, and that's hard.

• 20:42Derrick Levasseur?

  But I think you're completely right. In that moment, for Dylan, it's, it's all clicking. Oh my God, she's unconscious now. I saw someone in the morning. Why didn't I, why didn't I respond to that? You know, all that's coming back to her where she wants to get it out. And it's just unfortunate because regardless of what happens here, I'm sure for Dylan and, and everyone else involved, they're always going to have those what ifs.

• 21:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh yeah.

• 21:04Derrick Levasseur?

  But the reality is at that point, when Dylan saw Brian Koberger, it was already too late.

• 21:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes.

• 21:10Derrick Levasseur?

  What had, what had happened, it already happened.

• 21:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, well, with the DoorDash coming at four.

• 21:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, the TikTok activity at 4:12 and.

• 21:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, and so I, I think it's interesting. Did she get the DoorDash? Did she forget to lock the door? After getting the DoorDash, um, was she kind of, obviously they'd been drinking, so she's eating her DoorDash, she's scrolling through her phone. And, and she's, you know, caught by surprise.

• 21:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, isn't it believed that he came maybe through the slider, slider doors?

• 21:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I don't think that they, I mean, he's obviously claiming that he, and you know, he's claiming he's innocent and that he's been set up.

• 21:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, please claim, look at you doing the qualifying statements here.

• 21:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 21:46Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm proud of you.

• 21:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm trying. Uh, he's claiming, he's claiming he's innocent and that he's being set up. I think that's it. You know, he was out looking at the moon and the stars. And it just so happened to be in the wrong place, wrong time. He's trying to get that bushy brows evidence suppressed. Um, you know, he's, he's saying, oh, we're relying on the eyewitnesses testimony, which could be flawed. Maybe the intruder didn't have bushy brows. Well, just because you have bushy brows, dude, you're saying that because if you didn't, you'd, you'd let that bushy brows evidence stand. This is a very transparent. To me, I'm like, why is this still going on? Why is this? It's been over two years.

• 22:23Derrick Levasseur?

  I know.

• 22:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Why is this dude like at some point, doesn't some higher authority have to be like, all right, enough, Brian, we're going to trial. All right. You and your lawyers are wasting the taxpayers' money. You're wasting everybody's time. You're delaying justice for the parents of these four students. Enough is enough. We, we've let you, you know, get your attention and play your little games and it's time to do to go to trial. This has been going on long enough.

• 22:50Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm with you. I'm not going to add anything to that because I think for me it can be sound almost a little bit cop bias, you know, because we always think we got it right. And I think hearing that from a civilian like yourself, I think holds more weight because I agree completely.

• 23:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, the longer you get, right? The more eyewitness testimony is going to be less reliable.

• 23:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 23:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  In a court a lot, the, the more that this physical evidence is going to be less reliable and could become degraded. Like, it's just like they're killing time, killing time, killing time.

• 23:16Derrick Levasseur?

  That's, this is what the defenses do. I mean, and everyone has a right to due process. Everyone has a right to a defense. So I know for the people that, you know, start to come in our comments like, oh my God, he has a right, you know, he could be innocent. I get all that. But as Stephanie's saying, it's not about whether or not he has a right to due process.

• 23:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  How long, man?

• 23:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. How long do we wait? As you said, the victims, their family members, their friends, they have, there's no resolution. There's no ability to move on because they're still going to have to relive all of this during trial. So.

• 23:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is November of 2022, this happened.

• 23:50Derrick Levasseur?

  2022, yeah.

• 23:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is crazy. It's going to be, well, three years this fall, but yeah, we're, we're going on like two and a half years now.

• 23:58Derrick Levasseur?

  It's crazy.

• 23:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  Cause he was, he was arrested a month after. It's not like it took a year to arrest him. He was, he's. Two and a half years dude's been arrested and sitting here every other day in the news. Brian Koberger's lawyer say this, Brian Koberger and his lawyer. I don't give a shit what Brian Koberger and his lawyers say anymore. Save it for the trial and let's see that. Let's see what you got to say, because there's no more preparation. You already had the house destroyed already now. We have, we have a site, we can't bring the jury to. We can't like, you know, integrate them into that night that it happened because that, that crime scene's gone. And so much time is passing that the, I think what the, the lawyers are hoping is that the emotional response dies down. But I'm going to be honest with you, for me, it's just getting worse because now I see what you're doing.

• 24:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not only did you, you kill these four young people, but now you're just keeping everyone hostage with your stupid legal tactics that are transparent while we all sit here and wait for some justice to happen and I'm getting more aggravated at you.

• 24:55Derrick Levasseur?

  In his defense, this is a win for him, right? He has nothing but time, so he's gonna, he's gonna prolong this as much as possible because there's no incentive to go to trial.

• 25:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  But there has to be a cutoff point.

• 25:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I agree. And in the defense, they're going to try to get every little thing thrown out because they realize how strong this case is against Brian Koberger. Now, I will quickly, quickly say, and I don't know all those specifics, but I did see something that came across my feed where there was some DNA that was extracted or taken from under the fingernails of either Kaylee or Xana. I apologize, I don't remember who, but I don't believe it belonged to Brian Koberger. Now, to me, as someone who's done these cases a million times, that really doesn't matter. You're expecting DNA to be under the fingernails of these victims from other people. There's DNA everywhere.

• 25:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know what, your DNA is under my fingernails right now? The DNA of everybody I've touched, the DNA of my children, like the bank teller whose hand I shot, come on, man.

• 25:52Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, but so, but I'm not saying, I'm not saying, let's rule it out, let's discredit it. To your point, great, there's something compelling presented at trial. And let's see if a jury of Brian's peers agree that that's enough reasonable doubt to basically say he's not guilty.

• 26:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Let's go with it. That's fine. But let's not play this case out in the court of public opinion. Let's go to trial. Let's get a resolution. Either he's guilty or he's not. And let's move on.

• 26:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know that I think last, was it last month? They said his trial was slated to begin in the summer, but they haven't given a date yet, right? And based on what he's doing, I think that he's gonna try, he and his legal team are gonna try to even push that back.

• 26:38Derrick Levasseur?

  So I wouldn't doubt it.

• 26:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, but well, fingers crossed this summer.

• 26:42Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, well, we'll stay up to date on it. Obviously, we're waiting for that resolution to for the families. They deserve it. The whole community, they deserve it. And I am sick of seeing Brian Koberger's face at this point. He's not the only one. But we've talked about that in previous episodes, actually, last week. So any final words from you before we move on from this one and start our new episode for this week?

• 27:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, no, I mean, we could talk about this forever. There's so many stupid things that that Koberger's defense has used, like, oh, we have to limit the use of the word murder at trial. We have to limit that. Okay, like, come on, man. This is, it's a murder trial. Your client, whether he pleaded guilty or not guilty, he is on trial for murder. What happened to those four students is murder. And you don't want the word murder to be used? Get the hell out of here. So yeah, I have nothing else to say. I have tons to say, but I won't. And we'll save that for next time. And hopefully, when the trial starts, we will, we'll get some more insight. But yeah, that's all for now.

• 27:43Derrick Levasseur?

  We want to hear what you have to say. So weigh in down in the comments below. Let us know what you think about this case. What do you think about the 911 call? What do you think about the text messages? We want to hear your thoughts. We will be back later this week with a new series. It's going to be the Jennifer and Adriana Wicks case. Fascinating story. We can't wait to share it with you. Until then, everyone stay safe out there. We'll see you soon.