Texas Killing Fields | A 42-Year-Old Murder Mystery May Finally Be Solved

If you'd like to help Texas EquuSearch in their mission of search and recovery, please consider donating at https://texasequusearch.org/ For more than four decades, the murder of 16-year-old Laura Miller has been one of the most notorious unsolved cases connected to the Texas Killing Fields. Her father, Tim Miller, spent years searching for answers, eventually founding Texas EquuSearch and helping thousands of other families search for their missing loved ones while still waiting for justice for his own daughter. But now, 42 years after Laura disappeared, someone is finally going on trial...

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• 0:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 0:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm Stephanie Arlo.

• 0:18Derrick Levasseur?

  For more than four decades, the murder of 16-year-old Laura Miller has been one of the most notorious unsolved cases connected to the Texas Killing Fields. Her father, Tim Miller, spent years searching for answers, eventually founding Texas EquuSearch and helping thousands of other families search for their missing loved ones while still waiting for justice for his own daughter. But now, 42 years after Laura disappeared, someone is finally going to trial. And according to investigators, the man sitting in that courtroom didn't just know the person they believe killed Laura. He allegedly admitted that he was there the night she died, that he prepared the cocaine prosecutor to say was used to kill her, and that he watched as her body was buried.

• 0:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Today, August 31st, jury selection begins in the trial of James Elmore. And this could finally reveal what happened inside one of the most infamous unsolved murder cases in Texas.

• 1:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so as we're filming this, it's August 31st. You guys will hear this a few days later. I've been following this for a while because a bunch of stuff suddenly, you know, after decades, a bunch of stuff about the Texas Killing Fields has been popping up and there's actual movement in the case. So I was very excited when we sat down today because I'm like, hey, today, like, the jury selection's beginning.

• 1:31Derrick Levasseur?

  And Stephanie and I were just talking before we hit record and we were talking about Texas EquuSearch. And I didn't know that, that he started this foundation based on what happened to his daughter Laura. And we were talking about how many of these foundations and organizations come from tragedy. And it's incredible to think that unfortunately, we wouldn't have a lot of these great organizations if it wasn't for these experiences, which is sad and also inspiring at the same time. I don't know if that makes sense.

• 1:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, Texas EquuSearch is huge. We're always talking about them.

• 2:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Huge. We talk about it all the time.

• 2:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  All the time, all the time. And when you, like you said, you see that it came from trauma. Somebody's lost to help others find what is lost for them. Yeah, it's incredible. And this story is almost unbelievable. When you understand how the man going on trial, James Elmore, even became a suspect because police didn't suddenly identify him through DNA or some new forensic breakthrough, which we usually see in these cases where they go unsolved for decades. That's what is usually bringing them back to the surface. No, James Elmore basically walked into Laura Miller's father's life, Tim Miller, the guy who started Texas EquuSearch. So the reason we're talking about Laura Miller today

• 2:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  is because as we record this, a man named James Dolfs Elmore Jr. is about to become the first person ever tried criminally in connection with Laura's death. Elmore is 61 years old and on August 21st, he pleaded not guilty to manslaughter. Jury selection in his trial begins August 31st in Galveston County, Texas, with the court reportedly preparing for a pool of roughly 250 potential jurors because of how much attention this case has received. And this is significant because Laura disappeared in 1984. So we are talking about a case that remained unsolved for more than four decades before prosecutors finally reached the point where they believed they had enough evidence to put someone in front of a jury.

• 3:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  But James Elmore is not accused of being the person who killed Laura directly. Instead, prosecutors allege that he helped another man, Clyde Hedrick, and that Elmore himself played a role in what ultimately caused Laura's death, which is why we have a manslaughter charge here. And before we get into exactly what James Elmore allegedly admitted, because that is really where this case becomes incredible, we need to go back to who Laura was and how the Texas Killing Fields became one of the most infamous crime scenes in this country. So Laura Miller, it's very sad. She was 16 years old, young. She lived in League City, Texas. She disappeared on September 10th, 1984. This is the year I was born. That's bananas to me.

• 4:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  So she reportedly left home to use a payphone at a nearby store. She never came back home and her remains were not discovered until February of 1986. And then Laura's father, Tim Miller, did what families of missing people so often find themselves forced to do. He started searching himself and trying to find answers himself. And over time, the search essentially changed the course of his entire life. Tim would eventually create Texas EquuSearch, an organization that most of you, like I said, you've heard us mention before because they've participated in searches for missing people all over the country. When someone's missing, they are there, right?

• 4:49Derrick Levasseur?

  It's true.

• 4:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right from the beginning, yeah. But like Derek said, Texas EquuSearch exists because Tim couldn't find his daughter Laura. And while he would go on to help thousands of other families search for their loved ones, Laura's own case remained unsolved for so long. As a quick sort of precursor, in case someone isn't aware, although if you live in, at least if you live in America, maybe not outside the country, but if you live in America, you probably know what the Texas Killing Fields refers to. But it refers broadly to the I-45 corridor between Houston and Galveston, Texas, where the bodies of numerous women and girls have been discovered over the course of decades.

• 5:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Laura was found in one particular infamous area off Calder Road in League City. And there was three other women who were ultimately found in that same area, Heidi Frye Villarreal, Audrey Lee Cook, and Donna Prudeholm. So the four bodies were found in this area and those bodies were discovered between the 1980s and 1991. And Audrey and Donna actually remained unidentified for decades before both were identified in 2019. Now, keep in mind, when we talk about the Texas Killing Fields, that doesn't necessarily mean that investigators believe one serial killer murdered every woman whose body was discovered along I-45.

• 6:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Law enforcement has long believed that multiple perpetrators may be responsible. Same dumping area, similar like vulnerability, opportunity, overlapping suspects in some cases, but not one proven offender responsible for everything. Although I will say that I have been researching this and I, I do believe that there is some connection between the people who are killing others and then leaving their bodies in this, in this area. And, and as time went on, I think it became more of a copycat thing. But the original kind of this is a dumping ground for bodies idea, I think it was because there's some connection or some familiarity between the suspects who were doing this.

• 6:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because how else would you kind of end up in, in the same kind of area? And then I think as time went on, other people heard that bodies were popping up there or maybe they heard through the grapevine that this was a good place. And then it was like a copycat thing. But yeah, it's, it's very hard to think that none of it's connected in any way. And as we're coming to find Laura, along with three other women, were found in this one specific area off Calder Road. Are we going to find that those four victims were connected? I think we might. So obviously, we talked about Clyde Hedrick a little. He lived in that area and was eventually linked by investigators to several Killing Field cases.

• 7:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  But there was another woman whose death became particularly important. Her name was Ellen Ray Beeson. She disappeared in 1984, same year as Laura, after being with Hedrick. And her body was later found near the Galveston Causeway. And so decades after that, Hedrick was prosecuted and in 2014 was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Ellen's death and sentenced to 20 years. So this isn't somebody that the police or Tim Miller just randomly decided looked suspicious. Hedrick had actually been convicted in another woman's death and investigators eventually considered him the prime suspect in the four Calder Road cases, including Laura, although he was never charged in those murders before his death.

• 8:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  And the whole his death thing is actually very interesting. And I think the timing of it shows very much that what this other person, this James guy who's going on trial now, what he's saying, yeah, might actually have a lot of truth to it.

• 8:43Derrick Levasseur?

  So, yeah, well, now he can, now he can throw him under the bus and not have to worry about any ramifications from that because he's dead.

• 8:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, but it's like you didn't have to implicate yourself in it because he's dead.

• 8:54Derrick Levasseur?

  You didn't, there might be a reason why he's coming forward. That's what I want to learn, what's going on here. There might have been another crime that he was connected to. Investigators bring him in for that. And so he's willing to give you this information for a lesser sentence or a plea deal and something else. Who knows? There could be some backdoor deals going on where in order to give this family closure, he's willing to admit what he saw that night. Even though I know he pled not guilty, that's a formality. That's a formality. That's, they're never going to plead guilty before the actual trial.

• 9:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  But he also didn't go to the police. He went to Laura's father. We're going to talk about that.

• 9:31Derrick Levasseur?

  He went to the father beforehand?

• 9:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 9:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay. And as far as what you were saying before about the Texas Killing Fields in general, I definitely think you could have a combination of multiple bodies belonging to one person. And then, like you said, word gets around, this is a common spot, and other bodies could end up there as well. So you may have multiple people, but when you say more than likely they're connected, I do think that's true. Maybe not all of them. There could be some outliers. We had this happen in Louisiana, similar case where I went down there and there was like 20 or 30 bodies found along this road and this highway. And most of them were sex workers, right? But then there was some cases, there were some, some bodies that were found there that we know for sure weren't connected.

• 10:15Derrick Levasseur?

  So you kind of got to sift through it and go through each one independently and look at the backstory for each person that you're able to identify because there could be some outliers in there. But overall, I'm really looking forward to hearing about, I didn't think you were going to tell us that he came forward to Laura's dad.

• 10:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he came forward, yeah. So it's very odd.

• 10:34Derrick Levasseur?

  That's, that's a twist.

• 10:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  There's, there's a lot of weird things happening here and the timing is also strange. So we're going to take a quick break and we'll talk about that when we come back.

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• 13:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right, we're back. So like I said, strangely enough, the person who finally put Laura's case in front of a jury was not Clyde Hedrick, who it is suspected was the one who killed Laura. It was one of Clyde's friends. So around four years before James Elmore's arrest, he approached Tim Miller claiming he had information about the killing fields. And Tim did not immediately go public. He kept talking to James Elmore. And according to Tim, they met at least 30 times over roughly four years. So Tim's like going undercover here. He's cultivating a relationship with this dirtbag so that he can kind of make him feel safe, get information.

• 14:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  And sometimes, Tim said he, he actually brought James Elmore back to the killing fields. Just think about what Tim's doing psychologically, right? He's sitting with a man who may know what happened to his 16-year-old daughter. He has to keep him comfortable, keep him talking, not explode, not even react angrily or in any intense way to any information he's hearing from James Elmore. He can't scare him away. And gradually, according to investigators, James Elmore talks and he says more and he says more. So according to the police, Elmore eventually claimed that he was with Clyde Hedrick the night that Laura died. He claimed that it was him, James Elmore, who prepared a vial containing a lethal dose of cocaine.

• 14:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then he watched Hedrick allegedly administer the cocaine to Laura. And then James Elmore witnessed what happened afterwards, which would be, it hasn't been explicitly said, but I would assume, based on, you know, what's happening here, the assault and the murder of Laura. And then he allegedly watched Hedrick bury Laura's body. So James Elmore reportedly didn't only tell Tim Miller this. He later allegedly repeated key portions of his story to a Hitchcock Police Department investigator. So we have multiple, it's not just, it's not just like the father of a victim trying to do vigilante justice here and making stuff up to get somebody he suspects is involved in trouble.

• 15:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, we have James Elmore repeating these kinds of statements to a third party. So.

• 15:44Derrick Levasseur?

  And so I'm assuming based on what you're saying there, that although it was a lethal dose of cocaine, at this point, Elmore must be claiming that he didn't know it was a lethal dose. Is that what I'm getting?

• 15:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think that the way he probably worded it, because you said lethal dose of cocaine. I mean, you probably knew kind of what was happening, but

• 16:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 16:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  at this point, I would believe that's why James Elmore isn't currently being tried for first degree murder. He's charged with manslaughter. Under Texas law, manslaughter involves recklessly causing another person's death. So that there's that reckless there, which would kind of be like, oh, I didn't.

• 16:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Meaning you should have known that that amount of cocaine would have led to something bad.

• 16:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. Prosecutors are essentially alleging that James Elmore's own conduct, preparing the cocaine that was allegedly administered to Laura, was sufficiently connected to her death to make him criminally responsible. And if convicted of manslaughter, he's going to face two to 20 years in prison. But there's more because law enforcement had gotten close to charging Clyde Hedrick in the past. Actually, not that long ago. In late 2025, Tim approached Galveston County District Attorney Kenneth Cusick and asked prosecutors to take a fresh look at Laura's case. Prosecutors began reviewing and re-interviewing witnesses. And according to reporting, the authorities were preparing to seek indictments against Clyde Hedrick, not only in Laura's case,

• 17:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  but potentially in the deaths of Audrey Cook, Heidi Frye, and Donna Prudhomme as well, the other three women who were found in that same area. And then on March 21st, 2026, Hedrick died by suicide while on supervised parole.

• 17:26Derrick Levasseur?

  He knew what was coming.

• 17:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Exactly.

• 17:29Derrick Levasseur?

  He 100% knew the walls were crashing in.

• 17:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  By the way, he was connected to another woman's death. He gets arrested, he goes to prison, and then he's paroled in 2021. I thought stuff like this didn't happen in Texas. I thought Texas was pretty hard on law and order. Come on.

• 17:45Derrick Levasseur?

  These cowards, man, they're so, they're so much alike. They, they can go around killing innocent people. But when it's time for them to face the music, they take, they take this way out. I'm not even going to say the easy way out, but they take this way out.

• 17:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, this idiot is probably thinking, I already did time in prison. Like, you're not going to get me back there, like as if that was enough, you know?

• 18:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, yeah, he's like, hey, I got out. You shouldn't have let me out the first time. You're not, you're not sending me back. Yeah, he's, they're all cowards, man. There's a lot of similarities, a lot of patterns with these guys and their, their MOs and the way they conduct, conduct these crimes. There's also a similar pattern in the way they go out, right? They claim that they're the victim and in a lot of cases, they take their own life because they, they don't have the ability to be held accountable. They don't want to have to look the family members of these victims in the eyes. Because again, I can't say it enough, they're cowards. That's what they are. That's why they prey on these innocent people who potentially aren't aware of what's going on and can't defend themselves.

• 18:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Vulnerable people. Yeah. It's like, I'd rather die than face the music. Yeah.

• 18:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Losers.

• 18:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Losers. So that timing is important, right? Because he died, obviously, before prosecutors could obtain the indictments.

• 18:52Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, of course he did.

• 18:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  On March 21st. And then just 10 days later, on March 31st, his buddy, James Elmore, was indicted. Okay. And here's another thing. Elmore isn't only charged in connection with Laura, he also faces tampering with evidence, charges related to Audrey Cook, who's another woman whose remains are found in that same field, that same area as Laura. So now we have, once again, a connection between these victims found in the same area. And investigators allege that James Elmore helped Clyde Hedrick dispose of victims' bodies. Right? So when you say, did he know it was a lethal dose of cocaine? Well, yeah, if this wasn't the first time, or he would go on to help. You know, Clyde Hedrick, again, in other victims cases,

• 19:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  and you're helping him dispose of the bodies, then yeah, I think you knew it was a lethal dose of cocaine. Because if you did it with Laura, and then you're like, oh, my God, this girl died, and I had to watch this man like bury her body. And you were so traumatized by that, and you didn't mean for her to die. Why would you go on to help him more?

• 19:55Derrick Levasseur?

  That's the concerning part for me in this case, because I'm not a lawyer. And so there will be some lawyers in our comments who can clarify this specifically when it pertains to Texas. But if there is a pattern of behavior that suggests that this wasn't a one-time occurrence, right, that this is something that's habitual, right? And that this outcome was something that Elmore was familiar with, then that, to me, is a premeditated murder. So then the question for the layman, me, comes from an angle of, why are we only charging him with manslaughter? I would assume that the response would be, he's never been convicted of other crimes. It's all speculation. It's all just hearsay at this point. So you can't create a pattern of behavior for the jury,

• 20:40Derrick Levasseur?

  because he's still innocent until proven guilty in those cases as well. But I do think he's getting off easy here as far as there is an understanding or a belief at this point that this isn't his first time doing this. And that's crazy to me that he's getting manslaughter.

• 20:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right, and with Laura, who he has, you know, told Tim and another detective, yes, I prepared the dose of cocaine. Laura disappeared in 1984. But Audrey Lee Cook, who's the other person, the other victim where they're saying, hey, he may have tampered with evidence. In Audrey Cook's case, she disappeared a year after Laura. So that is obvious. Laura's case came first. Laura disappeared first. The other victim that he's being charged with tampering evidence disappeared a year after. So obviously, if you did that with Laura, and it was a complete mistake, and why would you continue to go on?

• 21:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Absolutely.

• 21:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  And help your buddy Clyde, right?

• 21:39Derrick Levasseur?

  I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree with you more. There's gotta be, you know, we're coming at this from a surface level perspective. There may be things that we don't know that are going to lead to other solves in this case where...

• 21:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  I agree, yeah.

• 21:54Derrick Levasseur?

  They're looking at the bigger picture of, yes, we're going to get justice for...

• 21:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  For Laura now.

• 21:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, for Laura. But there's more women, there's more families out there that are looking for answers. And the last thing we want to do is have Elmore clam up and not tell us information about those and maybe other victims that we haven't even identified yet. So there might be a bigger picture play here. I know that's probably not easy for Tim to hear. But based on the amazing person he is and what he's doing for other families, if anyone's going to understand wanting to get answers for other families, it's going to be the guy who started Texas EquuSearch.

• 22:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think he's fine with it. I think it's about like having that first domino fall, right? Because a lot of, this has been going on since the 1970s. Bodies of girls and young women and women found along that Interstate 45 corridor. Since the 1970s, it's been going on. Law enforcement estimates roughly 30 to 34 bodies have been discovered across that wider highway corridor. And that's a lot, right? So like you said, there's a lot of victims out there whose families and loved ones want answers.

• 23:02Derrick Levasseur?

  So it's probably some Jane Does, some Jane Does that we're not, we haven't even identified yet.

• 23:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  We just identified in 2019 the other two victims in that Calder Road area where Laura was found. So it's been taken decades for any of these people to have answers, even sometimes about where their loved one went.

• 23:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 23:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Like, your loved one disappeared, and you just found out in 2019 that this is where she ended up. So I think Tim's fine with having that first domino, which hopefully is James Elmore's fall. And then maybe putting, because they interviewed a retired NASA person about the killing fields. So like I said, there's a lot of perpetrators who are involved in these bodies being left there. But if you can get one to start talking about the others, and Clyde, obviously, that's a moot point now because he took the coward's way out. But James Elmore may have some information. So they might be going easy.

• 23:59Derrick Levasseur?

  He might, it could be a whole cluster that you identify, which would be critical for all these families.

• 24:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  They might be telling him, well, do manslaughter.

• 24:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 24:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Maybe you get five years.

• 24:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 24:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  But we want to know everything that you know.

• 24:11Derrick Levasseur?

  I just hope Tim's being consulted on this. I have to imagine that if he's...

• 24:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, I'm sure he is.

• 24:15Derrick Levasseur?

  You know, that he's part of the process.

• 24:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Apparently, just like us, investigators don't think that this story necessarily ends with Laura. And James Elmore has said other things that we're going to talk about after our quick break.

• 24:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so we're back. James Elmore allegedly told Laura's father, Tim, that there was another body. So Tim says that while bringing James Elmore back to the killing fields, Elmore repeatedly claimed another unidentified victim was buried there. And Elmore reportedly couldn't remember the exact location, partly because of how much time had passed and because he claimed that they had been heavily using drugs at the time, which is not a huge surprise to me. So in June of 2026, Texas EquuSearch and investigators went back to the killing fields. They searched again. Nothing was found. But Galveston County officials have said the killing fields investigation remains active and that investigators are still pursuing other leads.

• 25:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, also, once again, James Elmore said, we're using drugs. I don't remember exactly where it was. This is a pretty wide stretch. Like, it's not a very concentrated area. They could have gone back and searched, but not found the right location. It's a needle in a haystack.

• 25:38Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, everyone watches the movies and TV and thinks they missed it. It is very difficult when you don't know where exactly you're supposed to be looking. When you're going off, someone who, one, could be lying to you, but at best was highly intoxicated or influenced by narcotics at the time when they were in that area.

• 25:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I would also like to say that Clyde's first victim, or at least the victim he ended up doing time for, she wasn't necessarily found in that standard area when her body was found. So it could be another location that James Elmore and his buddy Clyde were familiar with that maybe he misinterpreted as the killing fields. But even so, the Texas Killing Fields is like a 50-mile stretch of highway. So that's a huge sort of surface area to kind of go through and search, especially if the person who's leading you around has no concept, because decades have passed, and he was high as a kite when it happened. That Calder Road site, though, that's obviously much smaller.

• 26:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's a tiny, isolated, 25-acre patch of land that's behind or located in Leake City, about one mile off the highway. But we also have to understand this. Like, you've got the 50-mile stretch of highway, but then you have all the land on the side of the highway where the killing fields is actually located. Who knows how far they went out?

• 27:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Right, exactly.

• 27:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know, as far as like off the highway. Yeah, so this is very difficult.

• 27:07Derrick Levasseur?

  More than likely, they're not doing it right along the road where they can be seen.

• 27:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  No.

• 27:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Headlights can be seen, things like that.

• 27:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  They were on drugs. Maybe they would have, I don't know. But they're going pretty far out there. This obviously raises the question that I hope we have answered once James Elmore goes to trial. If he was really a part of this world, how many crimes does he know about? Was this like an organized sort of group of men who worked together that included James and Clyde and maybe some others? Was this kind of maybe just an isolated James and Clyde thing? Why is James helping Clyde if he doesn't have any, you know, intention or, I guess, passion for killing women that he kidnaps or lures away?

• 27:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  What is his benefit to him to be there and be around Clyde? Was he just his friend, and he's trying to help him? Or was there more to it that maybe James Elmore isn't saying? Like, did he partake?

• 28:11Derrick Levasseur?

  I guarantee there's more that we will never know. That's the unfortunate thing here. And this is kind of like... A question I can pose to you and yet we'll never have the answer because you and I'm sure investigators are asking the same question is Elmore reversing roles here, right? Where because Hedrick is dead, he can basically put a lot of the blame on him, right? He was just an accomplice. He was there. He was just helping facilitate these things. When in reality, he could be the primary aggressor. He could be the main suspect that we've been looking for. And yet now with Hedrick being deceased, there's no way for them to go at each other and basically throw each other under the bus, which is unfortunate

• 28:51Derrick Levasseur?

  because when they're both alive, that can happen. And so I have to ask myself, is that part of the reason Elmore speaking? But then to counter that would be he started speaking before Hedrick was dead.

• 29:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, he's he asked. So he started speaking before Hedrick was dead. And on top of that, there was other witnesses that law enforcement

• 29:09Derrick Levasseur?

  That can corroborate it.

• 29:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  was interviewing that they were preparing to make these indictments for Clyde Hedrick. So I think there's however, I will counter that with saying, was James Elmore just as involved as Clyde Hedrick?

• 29:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. Are there other cases that he was solely involved in? I mean, would it be crazy to think that he did some of this on his own? No?

• 29:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, I mean, maybe like he seems more of a follower. Like, why are you talking? You know, like, I don't think

• 29:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Never know. He gets out there with someone and, you know, a tiger doesn't change its stripes. A zebra doesn't change its stripes. What's the saying there?

• 29:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think he, yeah, both. Either way.

• 29:47Derrick Levasseur?

  It works, right? Neither one of them changes their stripes.

• 29:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. I think that he probably hitched his wagon. And we see this sometimes with serial killer like duos where the personalities are a little different. Like one is the kind of person who would be viewed by the weaker personality as having the balls and the courage to actually go out there and do it. Whereas the weaker personality just fantasizes about it. So he hitches his wagon to the more rash counterpart. So that could be what we're talking about. But once again, if you are implicated in more than just Laura, this wasn't a one time thing, and you clearly went back even after Laura died, and that didn't scare you away. Additionally, which I find interesting, we have court filings

• 30:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  that indicate prosecutors plan to introduce evidence concerning two attempted aggravated kidnappings from the mid 80s. The filings name Carrie Dodson and Eric Garza as complaints and potential witnesses. So exactly how these incidents relate to James Elmore's manslaughter trial should become clearer. Once testimony starts, we could speculate and say that maybe these people or somebody related to the victims of the attempted kidnappings would place both Clyde and James Elmore as their, you know, attempted kidnappers, which would show you that this was a pattern and it wasn't just Clyde and it wasn't just James, or

• 31:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  maybe it was just James. And that's why it's coming in here. I think it would be more of, yeah, I saw James Elmore and Clyde Hedrick try to kidnap somebody or the person who was, you know, the victim of the attempted kidnapping identified Clyde and James as the people who were orchestrating to perform this kidnapping. So that would once again, kind of bring another layer of, are you, are you just kind of turning on him now? And Clyde kind of knew it was coming and knew that his co-conspirator was going to spill the beans, I think in hopes?

• 31:53Derrick Levasseur?

  He definitely had wind that Elmore literally knew where the bodies were buried.

• 31:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes. Yeah. So that's where we're at now. I think it's very interesting. We'll give an update once the trial and testimony start. We'll be very interested to see where it goes.

• 32:06Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm invested for sure. And to end on a positive note, we talked about Texas EquuSearch. If you go to their website, which is Texas EQUU search.org, right on the about us page, which I love this quote, and it's directly from Tim Miller, and it talks about why Texas EquuSearch was started. And his quote is, don't thank me, thank Laura. It's incredible. And Texas EquuSearch was started in 2000. It was originally a horse mounted search and rescue recovery team. And now it's obviously become a lot more with the help of volunteers and different experts coming in to offer their services as well. So if you're looking

• 32:49Derrick Levasseur?

  for a great cause, a great organization to donate to, go to Texas EquiSearch.org. You can donate there. They don't charge the families anything. And the reason they're able to do that is because of donations from you. So great cause to check out and to support if you're interested in that. And then on an even lighter note, and we'll talk about this more in the main crime weekly episode, a lot of you been driving me insane saying, hey, certain sizes on our merch store sold out. It's all back in stock. The no theories just vibes, the allegedly, it's all in stock on crime weekly pod.com. Cooler weather is right around the corner. So if you're looking to pick up some long sleeve crewnecks, they're

• 33:31Derrick Levasseur?

  available right now. As always, guys, we appreciate your love. We appreciate the support. We will be back later this week with Sonya Exo B part three. I believe this is the final part, right?

• 33:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is the final part. Yeah. Until, until Dwayne Hall goes to trial and we can see what's, what else is happening there. Yeah.

• 33:49Derrick Levasseur?

  And I know just a little sneak peek, because I did happen to get some of the script for later this week. We are going to be showing a few small clips of the video that we've been discussing for the last two parts that we were able to unearth with the help of you guys. Someone came forward and provided the timestamps for that. So until then, please, everyone stay safe out there. We'll see you soon.

• 34:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  See you soon.