Sonia Exelby | She Told Her Family About a Network of Sadistic Men… and Disappeared (Part 1)

Consider supporting and donating to The Kaylee Goncalves Foundation/Murder Has a Name here: https://www.murderhasaname.com/ There are some people who disappear all at once - One day, they're there, and the next day, they're gone. But sometimes, a person disappears slowly. So slowly that the people who love them don't realize what's happening until they look back and understand that they had been losing them for years. 32-year-old Sonia Exelby was the youngest of six children, and for much of Sonia's life, there were people who loved her very much. But somewhere along the way, Sonia began slipping away from them. At first, it looked like depression. Then isolation. She stopped going out, stopped answering invitations. Stopped letting people in. Until eventually, much of Sonia's world existed through a screen. Online, she could be whoever she wanted to be. She could talk to strangers about the things she was afraid to tell the people who loved her - but listening and helping are not always the same thing...

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• 0:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  There are some people who disappear all at once. One day they're there and the next day they're gone. But sometimes, a person disappears slowly. So slowly that the people who love them don't realize what's happening until they look back and understand that they had been losing them for years. 32-year-old Sonia Exelby was the youngest of six children. And for much of Sonia's life, there were people who loved her very much. But somewhere along the way, Sonia began slipping away from them. At first, it looked like depression, then isolation. She stopped going out, stopped answering invitations, stopped letting people in.

• 0:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  Until eventually, much of Sonia's world existed through a screen. Online, she could be whoever she wanted to be. She could talk to strangers about the things she was afraid to tell the people who loved her. But listening and helping are not always the same thing. And Sonia eventually found her way into some of the darkest corners of the internet. And sometime around 2023, Sonia began communicating with a man who would later describe himself as her mentor. On Friday, October 10th, 2025, Sonia packed a small bag. She told her longtime partner that she was going to spend the weekend with her siblings. Instead, she went to London's Heathrow Airport and boarded a plane alone,

• 1:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  flying more than 4,000 miles away from everyone who loved her. By the time anyone realized what had happened, it was too late. And Sonia was gone forever.

• 1:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 2:02Derrick Levasseur?

  And I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 2:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  So today, we are diving in to a new series, The Case of Sonia Exelby. And this is one that has been on my mind for a while now. We're going to dive deep, as deep as we can. And there's, there's actually legal things happening coming up this fall. I'm kind of very, you know, excited to build the base and the foundation here and lay out everything we know about this case, this crime, and the people involved. So that when maybe more information starts popping up, we can put more of the pieces together because we already have a really good foundation to start from. But there's a lot of interesting things with this case. There's a lot of things that I think have kind of been put out there, but haven't been followed up on enough officially, as we know.

• 2:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  But I've been putting some pieces together myself. So I'm excited to get started and talk about it. But before we dive in, I know we have some really good news that we want to share with you.

• 2:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, I mentioned it on CWN. So if you've already watched that episode, then you already know. For anybody who hasn't watched Crime Weekly News, last week, Kristi Gonzalez, the mother of Kaylee Gonzalez, she was one of the victims in the Idaho Four, reached out because she saw the video that I did on Brian Koberger and really liked what I had to say. And candidly, she had never heard of me or Crime Weekly before. But after seeing that video, she started looking into us, seeing what we were about. And so we got on a call with her team and wanted to discuss how we could work together in the future. And she actually recently started a foundation called Murder Has A Name. Basically, it's to help cases where DNA funding is needed, which, as you guys know, with Criminal Coffee, that's what we're all about.

• 3:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's what we do.

• 3:41Derrick Levasseur?

  We talked about how we could work together in the future. But in the meantime, Criminal Coffee has just donated $1,000 to the Murder Has A Name Foundation. And we bring this up not only to let you guys know where your money is going, but I also get a lot of emails from you regarding where you can donate. Because you may not like coffee and you want to donate directly to the foundation. On our website, CriminalCoffeeCo.com, you can go to the Fight Crime tab or even on the main page and scroll down and you can see a banner. And it has all of the foundations that we've donated to. We've donated to the Murder Has A Name Foundation. We've donated to Ballin Foundation, the Elizabeth Smart Foundation, and many others. All on your behalf. So yes, we're working cases. We're trying to fund DNA that's needed for these particular cases that doesn't get the coverage they deserve.

• 4:25Derrick Levasseur?

  But also in between that, we're also donating to these foundations that have causes that we can support. So if you're looking to donate to the Murder Has A Name Foundation, the links will be in the description box below, both on Apple, Spotify, and on YouTube. Or you can go over to the Criminal Coffee Co. website. And if you do buy some coffee, then we will be donating to these foundations in the future. That's all I got. But thank you to Kristi and her team for reaching out. I told her on the call, absolutely inspired by her ability to take what happened to her, to make sure that her daughter's name stays alive, but then to also take this tragedy and try to use it to help others. Because it would be much easier to just go back into her private life and just never be heard from again. But she's taking this and she's using it to help others

• 5:11Derrick Levasseur?

  so they may not experience what she had to experience, which is the unknown.

• 5:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or at least they're not alone.

• 5:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. Because initially, she said there was a time where she didn't know who did this. And that who was driving her insane. Now, she still doesn't have the why, because Brian's a coward. But she at least knows the who. And some people don't even have that, and she's trying to change it. So we're on board for that. That's what the true crime community is about when it's at its best. So wanted just to give you guys an update on that.

• 5:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's awesome. Everyone who buys Criminal Coffee, you're helping to donate to this foundation as well as so many others. And it's all, you know, foundations that we think you morally and...

• 5:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Ethically would support, yeah.

• 5:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Even though you don't know these people and we don't really know these people, we're hopefully making a difference in their lives. That's what Criminal Coffee is about. So we want to thank everybody who's purchased us, supported us. We, we love you guys. Thank you so much.

• 6:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep, absolutely. Thank you.

• 6:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so let's talk about Sonia Exelby. Sonia grew up and spent her childhood in Portchester, Hampshire. So this is a place that most of us would compare to a fairy tale landscape. In fact, the historic waterfront village sits in the shadow of a massive ancient castle built by the Romans in the late 3rd century. It's just a beautiful place, you know, English countryside, the water's there. It's just awesome. It's gorgeous. And Sonia was also a gorgeous person. She'd been nicknamed Lambie by her family because she was so sweet and docile. She had the gentlest soul. They said she was kind, compassionate, full of quiet love. And she was also a vegan because she couldn't bear the thought of any animal suffering simply so that she could eat. Her family said that Sonia was one of those rare people who made you feel completely safe to be yourself.

• 6:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  And quote, "Being around her felt special. She brought a calmness and warmth that made everyone feel a little lighter," end quote. But the truth is, as gentle and kind as Sonia was, she did have a rough early start in life. The youngest of six children, as a baby, Sonia had primarily been cared for by her eight-year-old sister Gemma because her mother struggled with mental health difficulties and caring for six children had become overwhelming. Eventually, the authorities intervened. And when Sonia was about one, she and her four-year-old sister Sarah were placed into foster care before both being adopted by a childless couple in Portchester on the southern coast of England. And this is where Sonia's wholesome and happy childhood began.

• 7:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  So weekends for Sonia and Sarah would be spent with their family on their yacht. They would go sailing to the Isle of Wight, where they would spend their days playing on the beach, splashing in the water, and competing in dinghy races at the local sailing club. Summers would sometimes be spent in New Forest with their grandparents, where Sonia's father and grandfather taught her to play the guitar, piano, and flute. And this triggered a love and passion for music that would follow Sonia throughout her life. Her family described Sonia as being a talented musician with the voice of an angel. And she would direct this energy into giving music lessons to children. And also, she enjoyed performing on stage.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  We welcome the stunning Sonia.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Hi, all. So the piece that I will play you today is a bit different to what you might used to hear, but I hope you enjoy.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  If it's true what they say, I will hear them, I pray. Autumn love.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  If it's set from the heart, I'll go back to the start. Play it over. Then one day I'm awake, feeling happy to take, take it over.

• 8:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  At around 16, Sonia finished secondary school and went to South Down College in Waterloo, where she continued to focus on music and where classmates remembered her as a quiet and kind person who loved performing in the school choir. During this time, Sonia also met Steve, a street artist from Portsmouth, who would become her boyfriend for the next 15 years. Now, when she was 18, Sonia and her sister Sarah started to wonder about their biological family. And this caused them to reconnect with their birth mother and four older siblings, including Gemma, who remember was the one taking care of Sonia when she was a baby, and their three brothers. Now, about this happy reunion, Gemma said, quote, "Sarah and Sonia were just always so significant to us all.

• 9:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  But it was the most incredible thing to have them back in our lives. They really did have a beautiful childhood. We couldn't wish for anything more," end quote. And I think this is important to understand that Gemma and the brothers were left behind with the mother. I'm not sure if they also got adopted out or fostered at that time. What I will say is that right now, information about the biological family of Sonia is very much under wraps. Gemma's come out and talked, obviously. Sarah also has, has talked. But as far as the brothers and the mother, we don't know a lot about them. So when we say the mother was struggling with mental health issues and couldn't take care of all her kids, we don't know specifically what that means. And it seems they're trying to stay out of the

• 10:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  public eye. But I think it's important to hear what Gemma said, where it's like, yeah, we had a rough start. Our mother couldn't care for us. Sarah and Sonia were taken away and they were put in the foster system, but then they got adopted by these great people who gave them this beautiful fairy tale life. And when we reconnected with them when we were older, to know that was amazing, because of course, you're going to worry about your sisters when they're being put in the foster system and they're being adopted. You don't know what kind of people are adopting them. It's like, could the people adopting them be worse than they had initially with their biological family? We're not around as their biological older siblings to protect them. We don't know what happened with them because the adoption process is very private. So Gemma's saying to find out that they got adopted by these great parents and

• 11:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  they were sailing on yachts to the Isle of Wight and playing on the beach. That was more than we could have hoped for compared to what it could have been, or just the not knowing.

• 11:18Derrick Levasseur?

  We've definitely heard the horror stories, but just so I have everything correct here. Sonia had essentially five siblings, right? Gemma, Sarah, and then the three brothers?

• 11:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes.

• 11:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay. And then obviously you had mentioned right before that, not to bury that part, Steve was a boyfriend of 15 years.

• 11:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes.

• 11:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay. I'm following you and everything. Yeah. I mean, that is a rare story, but happy to hear. I wish we heard that type of story more often.

• 11:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  It is a rare story, I think. Yeah. Like this perfect childhood.

• 11:44Derrick Levasseur?

  This case isn't about this, but do you think there's any like jealousy or resentment? Because those siblings went and lived on like this amazing life?

• 11:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know, you can love somebody and care about them, but also be like, man.

• 11:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, exactly. I got, I got screwed in this deal.

• 11:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's like, you know, when Nicole Richie got adopted by Lionel Richie.

• 12:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 12:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's like for many kids who are going into the system, that's not their outcome, right? But you're happy it's your sisters that got that outcome because that outcome's so rare. But yeah, there may have been a little like sibling, you know, like playfulness of like, oh, well, you got this great life, you know, we're stuck here with crazy mom, but.

• 12:20Derrick Levasseur?

  No, I just wonder where you hear like, oh, you were traveling abroad. Oh, that's great for you.

• 12:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, no, they lived in a place where the Isle of Wight, which is this beautiful place on the coast of England, it was right across from where they were, but they had this yacht, they're doing dinghy races.

• 12:33Derrick Levasseur?

  That's true too. I'm thinking abroad because we're in the United States, but yeah, you're right. You're right.

• 12:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  But this is a beautiful childhood. And even Sarah and Sonia, they would acknowledge that, that we had a wonderful fairy tale childhood.

• 12:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, got it.

• 12:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  So according to Sarah, both she and Sonia were also extremely happy to have their biological family back in their lives. Sarah said, quote, "In 2010, Sonia was like, we've got these brothers and sister. They are absolutely amazing. And after the first meeting, it was like we never spent any time apart. We have all been really close since. It's been beautiful." End quote. Now specifically Sarah, Sonia and Gemma, the three sisters, they became inseparable. After reuniting, they formed a close bond that included frequent visits, spending the night at each other's homes and nights out together in Portsmouth. Sonia did enroll in university for a short time, but had to drop out due to her own mental health issues when they started to emerge. So her loved ones would later discover that she'd been struggling

• 13:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  with depression and negative thoughts about her body. And in an online forum, Sonia had admitted to suffering with severe eating disorders, which led her to, you know, try to purchase black market diet pills on the internet. Now throughout her twenties, Sonia became more and more withdrawn, slowly leaving her flat in Portsmouth less and less, not responding to family and friends, and declining invitations to go out and do things that she'd previously enjoyed. She'd been sociable before, she'd like to go out with her sisters, and now all of a sudden, she doesn't even really want to leave the house. So Sonia's sister Sarah, this is the sister she was adopted out with, Sarah had moved to Australia, but she would often fly to the UK to visit with Sonia and check on her. And she said, quote, "I don't

• 14:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  know what changed. When I came back, I couldn't get her to go to the shops with me. It was such a difference from someone so full of life to someone so withdrawn. Everyone was keeping a close eye on her, but she was also pushing people away." End quote. So when you're an adult, you know, you can keep an eye on your family members, but only so much as they allow you to, right? If someone's not answering calls, they're not answering the door. Yeah, what are you going to do? I believe it was Gemma, she said, even though Sonia wouldn't leave the house, she still tried to keep like a relationship with her, the sister Gemma that was in the UK still and, and her kids, and she would build like Minecraft worlds for her kids. But everything she was doing was very like digital internet on the computer. So even connecting

• 14:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  with the people that she loved and who loved her, a lot of that was happening on the computer.

• 15:01Derrick Levasseur?

  That is concerning when the only way to communicate with your sibling is via the internet or Minecraft.

• 15:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  If you want to, right? Yeah.

• 15:09Derrick Levasseur?

  In hindsight, it's always easy to, you know, knowing what we know now to say that. But I would also say that even in my personal life.

• 15:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Don't we all do that? Kind of? Yeah.

• 15:18Derrick Levasseur?

  With my brothers and sisters, like, we're not physically seeing each other every single week. And a lot of times it's through group messages or emails. So I guess it's not as crazy of a thought, and that's scary, but that's the world we're in now.

• 15:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, but here's the thing, like you have a brother, you're close to your brother. If you could tell he was struggling with some sort of mental health issue, especially if your mother and your brother's biological mother had also kind of went through the same thing, right? You would be worried, you'd kind of want to see them in person. And when somebody's struggling with their mental health, I think we both can admit, and everyone listening can admit, the internet sometimes isn't the best place to be spending time.

• 15:57Derrick Levasseur?

  No, absolutely the worst. Social media especially.

• 16:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  The worst. I would say the worst. Yeah.

• 16:02Derrick Levasseur?

  You're not going to be in a world where you're like, you know what, I'm feeling down. Let me go look at social media to cheer me up.

• 16:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  That will make me feel better. Yeah. No.

• 16:11Derrick Levasseur?

  It's not going to do it. Nine out of 10 times, not going to do it.

• 16:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  When Sonia was responsive, then the rare times she would respond to the people who knew her and loved her, it had become clear that she'd replaced her real life connections with those that she developed online. So The Guardian, they've done some of the most extensive coverage of this case. They reported that by 2023, Sonia had become completely isolated from friends and family. She had no fixed career and she had spiraled into a state of despair. And she was even having thoughts of taking her own life. She later confessed to her family that she had visited internet forums where others were having the same thoughts. So she was going to forums where people also thinking about taking their own lives were existing. And then she would have conversations with those people. So once again, maybe not

• 16:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  the best environment to be in if you're having those kinds of thoughts.

• 17:02Derrick Levasseur?

  You know, I don't necessarily have an issue with that if she's using the internet. It kind of gives you a little bit more anonymity to go on there and talk to people who don't personally know you, where you can ask difficult questions without being judged or scrutinized. So that's fine. But considering the fact that that's basically her whole world, where she's only deepening that connection with the computer, that's where it becomes an issue. As far as the siblings, I mean, what do you really do other than make like a surprise visit just to check in on them to make sure that one, they're okay and they're not being held against their will? Or B, there's something deeper going on in there where you walk in and the house is in disarray, just complete shambles. And it seems like the only area that's well kept is the computer. You know, I don't know if that were the case or not, but there would only be one

• 17:47Derrick Levasseur?

  way to find out, and that would be to go by and say hello.

• 17:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Once again, it's not super clear at this time because Sonia's partner of 15 years, Steve, he also hasn't been super vocal and has kind of stayed away from giving interviews and things. But I have a feeling they lived together, right? They were together for 15 years. I think they lived together.

• 18:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, that was the other thing I was wondering, how doesn't, did he notice any of this? 15 years?

• 18:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  So he definitely did. He definitely noticed it. And I, I also got the implication that maybe Sonia's family members were communicating with him sometimes when they couldn't reach her.

• 18:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, makes sense.

• 18:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he was kind of like saying, you know, she's kind of down or she's spending a lot of time on the, on the computer. But as far as right now, she seems okay. She doesn't tell anybody at this point, when they're worried about her, that she's having thoughts of taking her own life. That would come later. But he's not understanding that she's thinking about taking her own life. He just knows she's depressed, she's going through things. And I think he was communicating to them, yeah, she's having a good day today. Today's not so, so much of a good day. So there was communication coming from inside the apartment where Sonia lived. So the, the siblings probably thought this is as much as we can do right now, as long as Steve's keeping an eye on her and we're in constant communication.

• 18:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he's closest to her.

• 19:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, we can't really force it. Yeah.

• 19:03Derrick Levasseur?

  I agree with that. That makes sense. That's her partner, right? That's the person she's closest to. You have to assume one of the persons she trusts the most. And that's basically your conduit, where you're going through him to say, hey, have you talked to Steve lately? Yeah, he's there. He physically has eyes on her. Makes sense.

• 19:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  So on that same note, though, you talked about these online spaces where people can talk about this and they can be anonymous. And yes, but there's different categories of these online spaces, right? There's, there's the support forums where someone says, hey, I've been thinking, I don't want to be alive anymore. And then other people can respond and say like, yeah, I've been there. I understand. Here's what helped me better. They can offer each other encouragement and help and, and offer, you know, advice to seek help. And then there's more neutral kind of forums and spaces where people could discuss their own experiences and thoughts without.

• 19:53Derrick Levasseur?

  Of course.

• 19:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  Without necessarily like giving advice, like, don't do that, but be more neutral.

• 19:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, it deepens the pool of people you can go to that may have experienced something similar to you. Like if you just go to your family, and I've done it in like many other aspects, like just things that I needed to figure out, whether it was with my computer or something in the house, like, hey, has anybody experienced this? Now you're accessing thousands of people as opposed to just a couple. Dozen that may be in your personal life. So I find it useful and I think even in this situation, it's very practical. The problem is the context behind it and the situation she's in.

• 20:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, because then, but then as we know, or I don't know if you do know, but it's the internet. So of course weird places exist.

• 20:33Derrick Levasseur?

  No.

• 20:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, there's darker, darker spaces.

• 20:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Never would have guessed it.

• 20:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  These aren't like support forums. These aren't neutral forums. They're the pro taking your own life forums.

• 20:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, that's a problem. That's not the forum you want to be in.

• 20:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  And in these kinds of places, seeking help to not do the thing you're thinking about doing.

• 20:52Derrick Levasseur?

  It's frowned upon.

• 20:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  Is actually discouraged, right?

• 20:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 20:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then they will offer each other advice on how to carry out on these thoughts. And then they'll kind of get each other going, talking about all the different ways and you can explore this and you can do that. Now, based on what we do know, I believe that Sonia eventually ended up in these darker corners of the internet, at least eventually. Maybe it didn't start that way, but that's definitely where it led to.

• 21:20Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, as you're perusing, you can stumble on something and then you go down that rabbit hole. I don't even know how these things are allowed to exist. I know it's hard to regulate the internet, but like these groups should be taken down. Like, I mean, immediately.

• 21:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  I agree, but once again, free speech.

• 21:34Derrick Levasseur?

  It's harder said than done.

• 21:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  Her kind of going into these areas of the internet, that's an important element to this case because a person can experience severe ideations of this nature and they can enter these kinds of spaces not understanding, maybe thinking, oh, it's a support forum or a neutral forum like I've been on before. So they can enter these spaces looking for understanding and looking for like, oh, relatability. But then they can encounter people who allow them to say things they feel that they can't speak to their friends and family. And that feeling of being able to freely speak and being understood, whereas you think no one in your life can understand what you're going through, that can be powerful to someone in the throes of a mental health crisis who's in a really low place. There have been documented

• 22:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  cases of complete strangers meeting through these internet communities and then arranging pacts, like agreements to die together. And we do know that at some point Sonia created an account on motherless.com. And she created an account with the username already yours. And this motherless.com, I'm sure there's a lot of people who know what I'm talking about when I say it, and there's going to be a lot of people who don't. So I'm going to describe what kind of community this was.

• 22:50Derrick Levasseur?

  I've never heard of this.

• 22:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  Really?

• 22:52Derrick Levasseur?

  No, motherless.com?

• 22:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm surprised.

• 22:55Derrick Levasseur?

  I haven't. So I'm actually interested in learning more about this.

• 22:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right. All right. So we're going to talk about that after we get back from the break.

• 23:06Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 23:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Hmm, that's oddly accurate.

• 23:15Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 23:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. So this is the wardrobe reset portion of the year.

• 23:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  And that's where Quince comes in. We love Quince. We talk about Quince all the time. I just wore this beautiful silk green dress to a dinner the other day and I got tons of compliments. The hostess was like, I love your dress. And I was like, it's from Quince.

• 23:49Derrick Levasseur?

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• 24:04Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 24:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. And that's important. Your outfit shouldn't have an identity crisis.

• 24:47Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 25:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. So it's elevated, but easy.

• 25:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. I got this emerald green one. It's like very, you know, I love green. And that's exactly my sweet spot. So I want to look like I made an effort without actually having to hold a full committee meeting with my closet.

• 25:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Reasonable.

• 25:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  The cashmere sweaters are beautiful too. I know Derek and I have a handful of cashmere sweaters. You have like that nice, really nice gray one I've seen you in.

• 25:21Derrick Levasseur?

  The black one too, I like a lot. Yeah.

• 25:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're tailored. They're built to last. They have that cozy but polished feeling that works when the weather starts shifting. So I need something that's, that's light, breathable, cool, and it looks good.

• 25:32Derrick Levasseur?

  And Quince actually has denim as well.

• 25:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  I love something that stretches and they have their premium stretch denim that starts at just $50. With the kind of fit, structure and weight you'd expect from a luxury designer brand, which is huge because good denim can get very expensive very quickly.

• 25:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Jeans shouldn't require a financial strategy.

• 25:49Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 26:33Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 26:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right, we're back. So motherless.com, I'm gonna educate everybody, including Derek.

• 26:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 26:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, to be fair, I want, when I was like, really Derek could ever, it doesn't mean that I had heard about it in a way where I understood what it was. I had heard about it in like weird peripheral ways and never really like explored what it was. So I've heard about it before, but I don't want anybody to think that I, I knew about it because I knew about it very deeply. I, that came off wrong. So.

• 27:10Derrick Levasseur?

  No, I mean, listen, it's something where I always assumed there were forums and places you could go if you were someone who had been adopted, maybe didn't have both parents in your life, where you can go and speak to other people who are in similar situations. But I'd never heard of motherless.com.

• 27:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  So it has nothing to do with being adopted.

• 27:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, it doesn't.

• 27:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's a different, it's a different kind of motherless.

• 27:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, see, now you know I'm not lying to you. I have no, I thought it was, I thought it was motherless.com, meaning my mom wasn't around and this is a place where people who are in similar situations can go.

• 27:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Dude, I almost wonder if that's how she stumbled upon it. Now that you say that.

• 27:46Derrick Levasseur?

  I was about to Google it.

• 27:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. No, don't Google it.

• 27:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, tell me what it is.

• 27:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. I almost wonder if maybe she was like on the internet, like I feel motherless, like, you know, even though I have a, an adopted mother and I also reconnect with my birth mother, I still feel motherless, you know, because she was depressed. I wonder now that you say that because no, this was not anything to do with.

• 28:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Opportunists can take advantage of that by, when you're searching keywords, have it redirect you to these types of websites because they're looking for that type of person. Yeah. Before break, I thought motherless.com was a forum where people could go to discuss not having their mothers in their lives. And now.

• 28:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  No.

• 28:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Based on your facial reaction, that's not what we're about to get into. Now I'm already thinking, I think I know what it is, but.

• 28:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Motherless stands for a different kind of motherless, but.

• 28:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, God.

• 28:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Uh, okay. So this was a user-generated pornography and fetish internet site.

• 28:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, not searching this. Got it. Got it.

• 28:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, don't do that. So it was founded in 2008 and it actually became notorious because it operated much more like an adult content, social media platform than a conventional porn site. So kind of like the Instagram of pornography, if, if that helps. So users could upload images and videos. They could comment on these videos and other people's videos. They can message each other and then they could build communities around very specific fetishes. A 2018 Ninth Circuit case involving motherless gives us one of the best windows into how it actually operated. The site was enormous, even by the early 2010s. The court said it was receiving about 600,000 visits a day during the period involved

• 29:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  in that lawsuit and its philosophy was, let's say deliberately permissive, like things would be allowed there that might not or shouldn't be allowed, but there was just not a lot of moderation happening. That's, that's what I'll say. So its culture was essentially built around the idea that if material wasn't technically illegal, there should be very little moral judgment about it. Right? So in litigation and reporting about the site, its approach has often been summarized as essentially anything goes, right? Anything legal, yeah, anything technically legal will stay.

• 29:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. And it's a gray area because now, oh, this isn't real. Then we start getting into fetishes involving children.

• 29:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're just dressed up like children, right? Yeah.

• 30:00Derrick Levasseur?

  No, they're 18. Exact. That's what I'm talking about. You're able to scratch that itch while still kind of technically being within the legal confines. So that's a slippery slope.

• 30:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  It is. It is. It's a very huge gray area that is dangerous.

• 30:13Derrick Levasseur?

  And we also think about like sexual abuse and sexual assault. Those types of role playing. Yeah, this is a, this is a tough area to navigate.

• 30:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Which that wasn't even what caused the legal issues, right? Because there was tons of that kind of stuff, the, what you said, the sexual abuse stuff that was being played out, but that's not what caused people to be upset, right?

• 30:34Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm assuming it had to do with younger people.

• 30:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Like the kid stuff? No, actually, I mean, listen, I'm sure that stuff was there. Specifically with these legal issues, in 2025 and 2026, Motherless came under intense regulatory and journalistic scrutiny over content allegedly involving sexual violence, unconscious women, and drug facilitated assault. So CNN conducted a months-long investigation into an online network of men who were discussing drugging and sexually assaulting women. And their reporting found that Motherless hosted large quantities of what users called "sleep content." This is what it was actually called. So these videos involved women who appeared unconscious during sexual acts. And CNN reported that some uploaders themselves claimed

• 31:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  the encounters were non-consensual. Basically, they were saying, hey, this is not cosplaying, this is not role-playing, this is not like produced. I actually drugged this woman and she is unconscious and doesn't know that this is happening as I'm filming this video.

• 31:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 31:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  And like I said, there's communities and terminology surrounding it. So they would have their special vocabulary they would use and all of this. So CNN reported that one popular hashtag was essentially being used to demonstrate that a woman appeared asleep. And that's one of the reasons Motherless became so controversial. Because the architecture of that website could allow people with extremely disturbing interests, not only the ability to find material, but to find each other. Which, you got one creep, okay, you got a bunch of creeps together, now we got a network going.

• 32:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, if I was a detective still, I'd be signing up for this thing just to keep an eye on some of these people that are in my area.

• 32:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Luckily, it's been, it's been shut down, so.

• 32:17Derrick Levasseur?

  I didn't think it was still active based on just the little bit I know so far. But this is the type of website where detectives are probably monitoring it going, yep, this person's from my area, let's keep an eye on them for any future cases.

• 32:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, but you know 10 more sites just like it probably popped up in its place, so.

• 32:31Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt, no doubt.

• 32:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  So in November of 2023, Sonya told her sisters that she had uncovered evidence online about a mysterious group of sadistic men who were operating out of the United States and they were luring vulnerable women there using these kinds of online sites to murder them. And Sonya said she was feeling like it was her duty to investigate this herself. And she showed her sisters some messages between herself and some of these men that were evidence that she was, you know, telling them the truth about what she was seeing. And so not only is Sonya saying, I'm gonna go there and like investigate, but she's also saying, I'm almost like undercover online in these forums so I can like identify these people and, and maybe set meetings with them, right? So it's kind of dangerous territory.

• 33:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, her sisters haven't disclosed exactly what these messages said. Sarah said that she was left in horrified disbelief after reading them. But what Sonya's sisters didn't know at the time, and what police reports would later reveal, is that Sonya had been engaging in conversations about violent and self-harming fantasies with others on Motherless. And according to authorities, on August 5th, 2024, Sonya arranged to fly to the US and meet the men who had allegedly promised to help fulfill her fantasy of ending her life in a certain way. And this was a way that involved her being violently assaulted and killed by someone else. This was.

• 34:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Jesus.

• 34:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes. Sonya made these plans using the encrypted Telegram app. But luckily, at that time, a close friend of Sonya's contacted the police and they intervened. She was kind of basically, I think, committed. And her laptop and cellphone were taken from her and she was put into treatment. And then after an investigation, which included an examination of Sonya's devices, relevant information was sent to the United States authorities. And at this time, who Sonya was talking to or who she intended to meet is unclear. And no one in the US was arrested in connection with this specific thing? Because police say no criminal offenses were committed, right? Because she was stopped.

• 34:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that would, that would be the case. I mean, talking about it, yeah, it's still illegal, what they're doing. There's still kids, still a homicide if they carried it out, but they didn't. So there's not much you can do. You can monitor them, you can identify them, you can let them know that you're aware of it. But as far as arresting them, you don't even have a victim.

• 34:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  And because she was stopped. Now, who knows what would have happened if she hadn't been stopped?

• 34:58Derrick Levasseur?

  And also, that it's jurisdictionally, it's hard because the victims in the UK and they're over here in the United States, it would be, it'd be a cluster, that's for sure.

• 35:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  It would take some jurisdictional cooperation, but it would happen, yeah.

• 35:11Derrick Levasseur?

  You could definitely do it, but at the, at the core of it, there's no crime committed, there's not much you can do. These individuals over in the States, if they were identified through technology and the digital footprint, I would have hoped that law enforcement would have gone and done, even though it may not would be with this case. But the first question I would be asking is, okay, they may not have done it here, but have they already done it somewhere else or to someone else? So I would hope, without knowing all the details, I know that's not what this story is about, I would hope that those people or that person was looked into extensively, especially when we talk about unsolved homicides from that area. There's so, we could do a whole episode just on that, now that I'm thinking about it. But that is someone where you would go have a conversation with them, let them know you're aware.

• 35:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  Their proclivities, yeah.

• 35:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, but then also look into them from the perspective of any unsolved cases and also their, their history of where they lived and where have they moved. Might sound a little intrusive, but unless this was the first time they've ever engaged in something like this, and that would be something they would learn through an investigation, there's a potential that this person, if they were so confident in having her come over, that they've done it before.

• 36:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  I completely agree. Your brain works exactly the way mine has. And so I'm so glad that we're going together into this.

• 36:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay.

• 36:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because you're gonna know exactly what I was thinking when I finished hearing all the stuff, yeah.

• 36:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Because we're focusing on Sonya, I didn't want to go down that path, but I wanted to put it out there that this isn't something you just call over the United States and the United States goes, thanks for letting us know. At least that's not what they should be doing. Because this is the type of info that can lead to solving multiple unsolved homicides. So just something to keep in mind.

• 36:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, after this happened, Sonya's in treatment, her devices are taken from her. Sonya's family was assured that safeguards had been taken to keep Sonya safe and that restrictions would be put into place so that she could not travel out of the country. Okay, so on October 12th, 2025, the Hampshire Police received a missing persons report for Sonia Exelby. Now, apparently, Sonya's sister Sarah had been flying in that weekend from Australia and Sonya had told her boyfriend Steve that she was going to be staying with her sisters that weekend. And then she packed a small bag and she left her home. However, when Sarah arrived, it was discovered that Sonya was not with her at all. And then no one could find Sonya and she wasn't answering calls or messages.

• 37:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  It was also discovered that Sonya, whose original laptop hadn't been returned back to her yet since the August 2023 incident, she had somehow managed to obtain another laptop in secret and had booked a flight out of London Heathrow Airport two days earlier on October 10th. Her flight had landed in Gainesville, Florida, and authorities had determined that after Sonya arrived, two UK phone numbers were seen roaming briefly in that area before both phones were turned off. Now, we're gonna find out, both of these phones are Sonya's. She's got her regular phone, that her family and friends know the number to, and then she has a burner phone that they don't even know she has, okay?

• 38:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, not good. Not good on the surface based on the context you had just given us. If you were gonna kill yourself, you didn't have to fly to the United States to do it.

• 38:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  But maybe if she wants to do it in a specific way with the people she's been talking to, right?

• 38:21Derrick Levasseur?

  The people she's been talking to are other like-minded people who haven't been identified yet. So not good. And the fact that the phones went off like that, this is probably not a story that's gonna end well.

• 38:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Sonya had also booked a return flight from Florida back to the UK.

• 38:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, interesting.

• 38:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, she booked a return flight.

• 38:40Derrick Levasseur?

  That is interesting.

• 38:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  That return flight was for Monday, October 13th. But she hadn't been on that plane when it arrived back in the UK. So on that Monday, Sonya's boyfriend Steve posted on his social media, quote, "My whole world is still missing. Sonia Exelby has been missing since Friday. Sonya is such a vulnerable person, is really struggling with her mental health. We believe she got on a plane on Friday and made her way to Florida Tallahassee from the UK. We believe she has arranged to meet someone there and has got herself into an extremely vulnerable situation. That's all I can really say on that. The police, Foreign Office, and US law are doing everything they can. I understand my appeal is a shot in the dark," end quote. Basically, he was trying to reach a bunch of people. If you're in the United States, if you're in Florida, if you see her, if you know something, I understand this is a shot in the dark.

• 39:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  The police are doing what they can, but I need to do something.

• 39:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and I'm assuming she was communicating via Telegram again, or however she was doing it. I'm assuming she did it in a way that was encrypted because it would be pretty simple to go back on these burner phones.

• 39:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, nobody knows about the burner phone and nobody knows about the secret laptop. So maybe she didn't feel like she had to even do that.

• 39:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I mean, it'd be hard, it'd be hard to track her, her whereabouts and her communications, yeah. Especially when she took measures to prevent people from finding it.

• 39:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  So that same day, that Monday, Interpol contacted the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and they asked for their help and cooperation in this missing persons investigation. And the Florida Department of Law Enforcement was told that Sonya had a history of severe mental health issues. She had made a prior attempt in 2024 to take her own life and evidence had been discovered on her secret computer, which indicated she was again wanting to die. And she had traveled to the United States to be possibly sexually abused, tortured, and murdered by unknown individuals. Okay, so, once again, I think that when Sonya left, she left a secret laptop at her apartment or her flat, maybe hidden somewhere. And through the investigation, they found it because now they've got this laptop

• 40:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  and they're like, this is what we think she is planning to do.

• 40:40Derrick Levasseur?

  And also, eventually, they found out about the burner phone. That's why they're able to tell us now that both phones were turned off.

• 40:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  They did find out about the burner phone, yes, but not from the way you think they might.

• 40:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, either way, there was something that was done to say, hey, this is some of the other things that were in her possession or that she was utilizing to communicate with these parties. But overall, this is still going to be very difficult when you have someone who is anticipating people looking for them after the fact. There are measures that they can take to make that investigation much more difficult. And clearly, that's what she did here. The only thing that's perplexing to me, or maybe it was just an oversight where it could be as simple as, you know, a lot of the times when you go to book a flight, it's automatically set up for a round trip. And so maybe it was that reason, or maybe it was that she wanted to at least create the illusion that if someone found it, that she was returning, knowing damn well she was never coming home.

• 41:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  It could have been that she thought, I'm gonna go do this and it's a role playing thing and I'll be able to stop it.

• 41:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, role, quote unquote, role playing.

• 41:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I'll be able to stop it and change my mind if I want, and then I can go home.

• 41:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Right, so she booked it just in case. There's so much here, maybe her plan all along, or maybe, like you just said, I think you said it better, if she wanted to change her mind, she couldn't have the option to fly home if needed, and it could be as simple as she decided to go through with it.

• 41:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Maybe she's dabbling with it and she's like, if I get scared and I, and I change my mind, then I can just say that I've changed my mind and then I have my flight waiting for me to go home.

• 42:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Just a horrible place to be in, wouldn't wish it on anyone, but you also have people who are on the other side of it, who are taking advantage of these people who are vulnerable. For all we know, the person on the other end of this conversation wasn't a like minded individual, they were looking for people like Sonia to take advantage of.

• 42:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Exactly. Florida Department of Law Enforcement Special Agent Rebecca McKenzie, along with a team of other agents, immediately got to work and the first step they took was to gain access to Sonia's financial records and they discovered a few things of note. Sonia had paid for an Airbnb in Reddick, Florida. This is a small town about 25 miles south of Gainesville. And on October 11th, there'd been multiple attempts to charge one of Sonia's cards, multiple attempts that had failed. So overall, it looked like there's about seven attempts of varying amounts and they'd all happened within a roughly 10 minute timeframe. And the charge attempts were traced back to a roadside assistance company called Solver Wolf RSA, roadside assistance, based out of Ocala, Florida.

• 43:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  So according to the business's Yelp page, Solver Wolf offered tire changes, jump starts, door unlocks, and the owner of the company, 53 year old Dwayne Hall, stated that he had worked in the industry for a decade. Quote, "I grew up on a farm in Southern Ohio. As such, I got to learn mechanics from my father. His motto was fix 'em where they break. Now I come out to you where you break and quickly and professionally get you back on the road. I enjoy two key things in life, work on vehicles and helping others." End quote. So obviously, this is one of the only leads they got at this point. The police contacted Dwayne Hall to ask him about these weird transactions.

• 43:42Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, of course.

• 43:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and they called him on October 13th.

• 43:46Speaker 03

  Hello, this is Dwayne Solver Wolf Roadside. How can I help you?

• 43:49Speaker 04

  Hey, my name is Calvin Lee. I'm a special agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement out of the Gainesville area. And here, we got a weird request. So we are helping out, uh, the United Kingdom Police with a missing person. And looking through her banking records, it looked like she called for, called your business for assistance probably two or three days ago and the payment was declined. Her name would have been Sonia Exelby. Is that ringing a bell?

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Um, yes and no.

• 44:32Speaker 04

  Okay. Basically, she's, she's reported missing and suicidal, so we're trying to track her down. And we know that on, three days ago, she landed at Gainesville Airport and got in a rental car and was headed south. So like I said, through the banking records, it shows that, uh, that there was a decline charge from your company. So we're assuming that, I guess, she needed assistance?

• 45:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, she broke down, needed a tire change.

• 45:08Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  And was requesting to be transported the rest of the way to her location, but the client payment, so I ain't gonna touch that.

• 45:16Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  We gotta be paying for our services.

• 45:19Speaker 04

  Right, so she did, so you did change the tire and the payment got declined? Or that payment went through?

• 45:26Speaker 03

  We never showed up.

• 45:28Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, okay. Did she say where she was wanting to go to, her final destination?

• 45:33Speaker 03

  Did not say.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  She was very secretive about everything.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  Okay. Did she ever provide her name? Does, does that name Son, Sonia or Sonia Exelby? Was that the name she provided?

• 45:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:46Speaker 04

  Okay. Do you remember where she said exactly she was? Like where the, her vehicle's burnt down at?

• 45:54Speaker 03

  Not exactly. Somewhere out around Reddick. It was out of our service area anyway.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  Reddick?

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 46:02Derrick Levasseur?

  So, listening to that clip, I, I don't love it. I don't love Dwayne's reaction to it. It could just be who he is from a personality perspective and maybe he's like apprehensive about law enforcement, but like, I don't like how he starts it with yes and no, when it's clearly yes, you spoke with her. And then, not exactly, well, you tried to process the payment. So there, here's my issue. You say that it was out of your service area.

• 46:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, why would you even try to process the payment?

• 46:29Derrick Levasseur?

  So why would you try to process it? Right? That's number one. And it just seems like he was a little bit cagey, if you will. And again, it could be just because of his feelings on law enforcement and maybe he's had bad experiences and he doesn't know if things are what they appear to be. And so he's being a little cryptic, but it sounds like he's being just a little elusive. But that could just be my, my detective brain, because I know it's part of the story. But, but if I look at it just from the, you know, surface level, you did gain some good information there. You, you can confirm now that she wasn't in the Florida area, appears to be in the Reddick area, and she had some type of issue with her vehicle, if you're to believe Dwayne and everything that he's saying is true.

• 47:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and he also said, well, she was being very mysterious about everything and really secretive. And you'll find out later, he tells them, because they asked the same thing, why did you, whatever you're gonna do the call if it was outside your service area? Well, she was offering to pay a lot.

• 47:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, clearly, $1,200 for, that's what it was, right? 1,200?

• 47:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 47:25Derrick Levasseur?

  For a tire change? That would get you out there to go do it.

• 47:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, well, he said his normal service fee when he's going out there is 25 bucks. That's how much he charges. And then if there's more needed, you know, but if it's just an easy thing, yeah, 25 bucks in this economy?

• 47:38Derrick Levasseur?

  But now, if we're going deeper, you do wonder, was there more to the story? Was there something else going on? Was this even part of the conversation? Is this actually what transpired? Or is Dwayne not telling us everything? You know, Dwayne could be a tow truck driver, but maybe he's also the person involved with who she was going to meet. That's something that crosses my mind. Nothing against Dwayne, but maybe he was just charging the card because again, they're taking advantage of her, or maybe it's because of the service he's actually going to perform, which has nothing to do with a vehicle.

• 48:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right, so let's talk about that after this break.

• 48:12Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 48:20Derrick Levasseur?

  That sounds like growth to me.

• 48:21Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 48:37Derrick Levasseur?

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• 48:38Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 48:50Derrick Levasseur?

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• 48:53Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 49:02Derrick Levasseur?

  That's a very important distinction.

• 49:04Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 49:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and that's hard to find, right? Usually it's either comfortable or flattering. You don't get both.

• 49:26Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 49:44Derrick Levasseur?

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• 49:46Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 50:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right. So the following day, after they talked to Dwayne the first time on October 13th, on October 14th, they contacted Dwayne again. And this time, he was asked to produce some kind of like evidence in his phone or his cellular records that showed he had received a call from someone at the time he attempted to charge Sonia Exelby's card, right? And then Florida Department of Law Enforcement contacted Telecak. This is the company that Dwayne used to process payments received through his business. And a subpoena was sent to Alavan. So Alavan is the company that manages the records for Telecak. So they confirmed the declined transactions from October 11th, but they also informed law enforcement of a transaction for $1,200 that had been transferred into Dwayne Hall's merchant account

• 50:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  from another of Sonia Exelby's bank cards. So we have Solver Wolf RSA using Sonia's Lloyds Bank card in an attempt to charge varying amounts seven times in a 10-minute window on October 11th. All of those were declined. And around that same time, at approximately 1:10 PM on October 11th, in the middle of those declined charges, Sonia's Tesco Bank card was successfully charged for $1,200.

• 51:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, that's not good. Dwayne's not telling us the full truth.

• 51:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not looking good for Dwayne.

• 51:19Derrick Levasseur?

  That call right there now, man, when you think about that, that is something that you would disclose on the phone, right? Can we all agree to that?

• 51:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  I would agree, yeah.

• 51:26Derrick Levasseur?

  That's something where you would say, yeah, I did charge it. And then if you charged it, now you have to say what you charged her for because you're saying you never met up with her and you never went out there. Damn. Okay, Dwayne, Dwayne's got some explaining to do.

• 51:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  On October 15th, the Airbnb that Sonia had rented, that was in Reddick and it was searched. And they basically contacted the owner of the Airbnb and they were like, hey, we're looking into this. Have you cleaned the unit yet? And the owner said, no, hasn't been cleaned.

• 51:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Awesome. I mean, awesome in the context of forensics. Yeah, great.

• 51:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Exactly. So Sonia and her belongings were not found at that Airbnb, but police did recover some discarded food wrappers and receipts in the garbage. They also found long brunette hair in the trash and then a comforter in the bedroom that had what appeared to be blood on it. So using the receipts and what had been found in the trash, investigators tried to piece together what Sonia's time at that Airbnb had looked like. And what they found was that most of this evidence in the Airbnb did not lead to Sonia Exelby. On Friday, October 10th, at 5:47 PM, someone had used their own credit card at a Walmart in Gainesville to purchase paracord, gun cleaner, 50 feet of rope, and deodorant spray.

• 52:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Just seven minutes later, at that same Walmart, in a separate transaction, a shovel was purchased at 5:54 PM. Now, this timing is important because as soon as the police had seen the date and timestamps on the Walmart receipts, they knew that Sonia could not have possibly purchased these items because her plane from London hadn't even landed yet.

• 53:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Nope.

• 53:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  So it wouldn't arrive until after 6:00 PM on October 10th.

• 53:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 53:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  So police pulled surveillance video from the Walmart to find out who made these purchases. And they saw that it was Dwayne Hall, owner of Solver Wolf RSA, right? They then pulled surveillance footage from the Gainesville Airport and saw Sonia Exelby wearing a floral sundress, getting off her plane, walking outside, and getting into a black Jeep around 6:30 PM. A black Jeep owned by Dwayne Hall.

• 53:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Damn. That phone call, man, just took on a whole different meaning.

• 53:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 53:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Shh. Bricks during that phone call. That's what that yes and no, he doesn't know what law enforcement knows yet. And once they say it's for a missing person, he starts to disclose a little bit because he feels he has to, but he is spiraling on that phone call.

• 53:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  And it's funny that you say that because we're not going to talk about it today. We're going to talk about it next time. But after he talks to law enforcement for the first time, he starts sending messages out.

• 53:58Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt.

• 53:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  The person he's sending messages to doesn't live in Florida. This person lives in Ohio, where Dwayne used to live. And Dwayne's mentioning to this person certain things that he's going to send him in the mail. And the person he's talking to does not seem shocked by this at all. So when we start talking about a network of men.

• 54:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is where it comes in.

• 54:15Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 54:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  And Dwayne's also telling the guy, because surprise, surprise, Dwayne's married.

• 54:20Derrick Levasseur?

  That's not a surprise.

• 54:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Dwayne's talking to the guy and saying, you don't talk to anybody about this stuff except for my wife, Ginger.

• 54:29Derrick Levasseur?

  And that means Ginger's in on it as well.

• 54:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  You gotta start wondering, what does Ginger know?

• 54:33Derrick Levasseur?

  All right, at least I wasn't completely off when you, when I answered the question about the phone call because I could have been like, yeah, he seems like a good guy.

• 54:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, you were like, he's just really trying to help, doing, doing the Lord's work.

• 54:44Derrick Levasseur?

  I would have been like, editor, cut, editor, cut that part out.

• 54:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Doing the Lord's work, helping people on the side of the road. On the morning of October 17th, 2025, Dwayne Hall was pulled over by police and they were accompanied by a helicopter. So this was an OJ Simpson kind of pull over here. They're making sure.

• 55:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, they were going deep. They know that he's full of it.

• 55:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're making sure he doesn't get away.

• 55:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he, he saw the helicopter and realized he wasn't going anywhere.

• 55:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, I have some background on Dwayne Hall.

• 55:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, I'm sure you do.

• 55:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  And this is interesting. And this is where I start to be like, what the hell is going on here? Something weird is happening. So like I said, he's 53 years old. And in 2025, he was living in the Ocala area with his longtime partner, Ginger Stein, his 10-year-old stepson, and Ginger's disabled mother. Okay. Now, this is confusing because Ginger's going to be interviewed by the police. Dwayne's going to be interviewed. They keep referring to each other as husband and wife. But I don't think they were legally married. But what I also found out from Ginger's interview with the police is that she listed another person as living with them as well, a person she referred to as her baby daddy. This isn't important right now in this moment, but best believe, we're going to come back to that.

• 56:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  What's also interesting is that both Dwayne Hall and Ginger Stein, like I told, told you, they said they were married to the police. Reporting states they had been married for 28 years, but there does not seem to be any paperwork supporting that marriage. Now Ginger, who was 44 years old in 2026, told The Telegraph that she and Dwayne Hall had been married, or at least together, for 28 years. And that makes her just 16 years old when their relationship started. And it means that Dwayne Hall at that time would have been at least 25 years old. Now, the two had lived in Ohio before moving to Florida in 2014. And when they got pulled over on October 17th, 2025, Hall told the police that he and Ginger were driving to Gainesville for a post-transplant medical appointment.

• 56:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Ginger Stein had been diagnosed with Langerhans cell histiocytosis. She was diagnosed with this around 2014. This is a rare disorder involving abnormal accumulation of Langerhans cells, which are immune system cells in the body. And depending on where those cells accumulate, this disease can damage bone, skin, endocrine system, the liver, the lungs. And apparently Ginger's disease primarily accumulated in her lungs. And in the past eight years, her health had deteriorated to the point where her husband, Dwayne Hall, had become her primary caregiver. By 2025, Ginger's pulmonary issues had progressed so far that she had needed a double lung transplant. And this happened in August of 2025, only nine weeks before Sonia Exelby disappeared.

• 57:34Speaker 05

  Today's date is October 17th, 2025. It's approximately 9:05 in the morning. I'm Special Agent Glenn Workington with Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

• 57:45Speaker 05

  We're sitting outside of UF Health Shands Hospital here on Southwest Archer Road. Ma'am, could you introduce yourself?

• 57:53Speaker 06

  I'm Ginger Stein.

• 57:54Speaker 05

  Okay. Can you kind of just fill me in as far as how you got here? What's going on? Or what have they told you or anything like that?

• 58:01Speaker 06

  They haven't told me anything.

• 58:02Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 58:03Speaker 06

  We were, me and my husband were on my, on our way here for my appointment.

• 58:07Speaker 05

  Okay. Well, what's your husband's name?

• 58:09Speaker 06

  Dwayne Hall.

• 58:10Speaker 05

  Dwayne Hall. Okay, all right.

• 58:12Speaker 06

  And they just pulled us over and they said that they needed to take his car. They had a, they needed to search it.

• 58:21Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 58:22Speaker 06

  I'm not sure why they took it, but, uh, and they took him.

• 58:26Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 58:27Speaker 06

  They said, I don't know if he was under arrest or they, they said they just wanted to ask him some questions.

• 58:32Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 58:34Speaker 06

  And then they gave me a ride here.

• 58:35Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 58:36Speaker 06

  But I'm, I'm a little, I'm a little worried because I have anti-rejection meds in my bag and they wouldn't let me have my bag.

• 58:42Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 58:42Speaker 06

  It's still in the car, along with my insulin.

• 58:45Speaker 05

  Okay. I just want to talk to you, try and get some information and stuff, what you know as far as what, what could have been going on from why they stopped y'all or anything like that.

• 58:55Speaker 06

  The only thing I can think of is some, uh, a credit card that somebody tried to use that was denied on his work a couple of days ago.

• 59:04Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 59:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, let's get to Dwayne Hall and his interview with Florida Department of Law Enforcement Agents Rebecca McKenzie and Joseph Miller. Hi, Mr. Hall. My name's Rebecca. Oh, nice to meet you. No pounds? Okay. Hi, Mr. Hall. Hello.

• 59:22Speaker 05

  What's your first name?

• 59:23Speaker 07

  As if you don't know. I don't like playing, I don't like playing silly.

• 59:27Speaker 05

  Okay, well.

• 59:28Speaker 07

  I like to be direct. You have my name, or else I wouldn't be here.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  How would you like us to call you?

• 59:33Speaker 07

  Dwayne is fine.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Dwayne is fine, okay.

• 59:35Speaker 05

  Dwayne, okay, well, I was just gonna say because I honestly forgot it, so that's why I called.

• 59:39Speaker 07

  Okay, I will, I will accept that.

• 59:41Speaker 05

  My name's Joe Dwayne. It's a pleasure to meet you. I appreciate you coming up here and.

• 59:48Speaker 07

  No, look, I'm gonna say a few things and then we can get on with your interview and whatnot, okay?

• 59:53Speaker 05

  Great, great.

• 59:53Speaker 07

  Okay, number one, you guys want to impound my vehicle and search my vehicle, search warrant, whatever, okay? I get it, but when you guys pulled us over today, my wife was on her way up to Shannon's post-transplant bronchoscopy with all of her meds, rejection and all that stuff was in that vehicle.

• 1:00:13Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:00:14Speaker 07

  Okay? So, whatever you're looking for in my vehicle is not gonna be in her bag that she needs to have that keeps records of all of her breathing and everything else that they need.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  We are going to make sure that that is arranged, so I don't want you to worry about that. We do not leave her stranded.

• 1:00:32Speaker 07

  I know you're gonna leave her stranded, but and her pills too, I hope.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  We'll make sure that she gets what she needs to get.

• 1:00:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, I was right about his feelings on law enforcement. Clearly, he's not a fan. I also think it's coupled by the fact that he knows what he's in there for, but yeah, clearly doesn't even shake the agent's hand as she walks in. Guy's a jerk.

• 1:00:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he's like, I'm gonna tell you how this is gonna go, right? Yeah.

• 1:00:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Trying to make him seem like, like he's like somehow a hero because he's looking out for his girlfriend slash wife, whatever you want to call it, but.

• 1:01:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  His wife, yeah, whatever she is.

• 1:01:03Derrick Levasseur?

  It could be exactly what he's saying, but now I'm looking through that bag even more so because it's in the car. I have, it doesn't have an expectation of privacy and there could be incriminating evidence that they're deliberately keeping in there and disguising it as something that's important from a medical perspective when in reality, they're using it to transport incriminating evidence. You never know. They might give it over to her, they're gonna give it over to her eventually, but not before searching it to the 10th degree to ensure there's nothing being hidden in there.

• 1:01:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  So that is the guy we heard talking to her earlier. He, he went to the hospital where her appointment was so that they could make sure she had her medicine, but of course, yes, they're looking in that bag beforehand, right?

• 1:01:40Derrick Levasseur?

  And by the way, the other investigator, the other agent being like, oh, I forgot your name. Shut up. No, you didn't. If you did, you should be fired immediately. You know what you're there for, like, so that was a really dumb response. Like, I actually forgot your name?

• 1:01:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's like, that's why. It's not because I'm trying to play games with you.

• 1:01:53Derrick Levasseur?

  That was dumb. You're in there for an interview. You're about to ask him about an entire case, but you don't remember his name? Shut up.

• 1:01:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, I mean, Dwayne Hall at this point, he's trying to make it appear that he's this very responsible, concerned family man.

• 1:02:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Perturbed by the inconvenience.

• 1:02:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, he's worried about his wife's health and that she's adhering to her medical needs. And he told the agents, as soon as he knew Ginger had what she wanted or needed, that they could get on with the interview and whatever it is they wanted to talk to him about, which he could only assume, was about this random call to his business requesting roadside assistance when the credit card wouldn't work, right? He said, listen, all I do is take care of my wife and my family and go to work. And since that's the only thing out of the ordinary that's happened to me recently, I'm assuming that's what I've been hauled in here to discuss. He's trying to be very smart about this, but Dwayne Hall also made sure to make it clear to these agents that he didn't trust the police because he'd had some bad experiences with them in the past. Yeah.

• 1:02:48Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm spot on on this one.

• 1:02:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he's like, I don't trust you guys. I, I, the police are corrupt, but this is all behind me now and I've worked very hard to put it all behind me.

• 1:02:58Speaker 07

  I'm gonna do the best, direct questions, get correct answers.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Okay, that's the way I like to do business, so I think we'll get along fine.

• 1:03:07Speaker 07

  I'm not going to, I'm not going to humor anything. I had really, really bad experiences with law enforcement in general because where I lived before is extremely corrupt. And they used to cost me, I feel like I'm living a nightmare repeat because they used to cost me, they used to cost me work. They used to cost me jobs and everything else. They were child support. Every time I'd get a job, they'd haul me into court and of course, if it's in the first 30 days, you lose your job.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Speaker 07

  And then they have that reason to throw me in jail.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  For child support stuff?

• 1:03:39Speaker 07

  Yep, that, but you're not gonna, I don't think you're gonna find any of that anymore. I finally have been deemed rehabilitated.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  Like caught up with it, like paid that child support or what do you mean redeemed with it?

• 1:03:52Speaker 07

  Redeemed with it because they finally took it off my record.

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:03:56Speaker 07

  I finally have been clean for long enough and not being in any kind of trouble with them that I qualified to have everything scrubbed.

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  Okay, when did that happen?

• 1:04:06Speaker 07

  This year. I've actually worked my ass off to, to make sure that I'm not in trouble all the time, turn my life around and whatnot. And now this, so you can imagine my additional frustration with that because my whole life has been like this. Every time I get pretty and clear and, and, and good to go.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you're dealing with a lot because your wife was, so on top of all of that, you're dealing with her.

• 1:04:31Speaker 07

  She died, dude. I mean, I ain't even gonna get into that, but they had her on something called

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  Echelon?

• 1:04:40Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Where basically the machine was keeping her alive.

• 1:04:44Speaker 07

  Keeping organs alive, just keeping them oxygenated. She wasn't even in there, okay? I mean, she was, but she was somewhere way in the back. But, but at same, same damn time, I've been through a lot these last couple of months and whatever this is related to is just a cherry on top, I feel like. So, by all means, guys, ask them what, whatever, what do you need, however I can help you, okay?

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:05:06Derrick Levasseur?

  First off, I'm gonna put this as a nomination for Crime Weekly Awards. The worst interrogation rooms that I've ever seen since we started together because that's a horrible room. It's just so uninviting. That room, the tile, it looks like, I don't know, it looks like it's a bathroom. Actually, it's not great and I don't like the layout of it either. Here's the one compliment I'm gonna give Dwayne probably this entire series because regardless of whether he's directly connected or not, I don't like him. He's a good speaker.

• 1:05:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's great at, at making, yes, he's manipulative, yeah.

• 1:05:36Derrick Levasseur?

  He's composed, he's direct, he appears to come off as intelligent. That's all I'm gonna say. Just very comfortable in the setting. If he's panicking, he's not showing it. He's kind of controlling the room, if I'm being honest with you.

• 1:05:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  He is, yes, I would completely agree with you.

• 1:05:54Derrick Levasseur?

  So that, that's my one compliment to Dwayne. That's just my impressions.

• 1:05:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's kind of like, I don't trust you, but like, listen, I'm also trying to be cooperative, so like.

• 1:06:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep, his laugh is horrible. Laugh is horrible. I don't have the greatest laugh either, but his laugh is horrible. But yeah, very well spoken and in control.

• 1:06:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Dwayne is kind of seeming to make it a point to like, I've led a life of crime, kind of, or at least I've been hounded by law enforcement for the majority of my life, right? Every news reporting article that I've read about this said, you know, it's weird because he hasn't really gotten into a lot of trouble. A few minor things here and there, but that's because they were looking in Florida.

• 1:06:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  I looked into Ohio and I got public records from Ohio. And even there, I guess there wasn't like a ton of major stuff.

• 1:06:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, it looks like he's got some of it expunged.

• 1:06:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's got some of it expunged, but there's still a little record here and there. Do you know what I mean? Like you can't get the, the info, but you, you know what's going on. So a lot of small claims stuff, all right? Landlord saying he didn't pay them, credit card companies saying he didn't pay them. There's a felony that was dismissed in 2000, carrying a pistol without a license. Some marijuana charges from 1988, some cocaine charges from the 2000s. I also found out that it looks like Dwayne Hall had been married to another woman in 1994 and there was a divorce in 2007, but then in 1992, there were paternity claims for three children that don't share Dwayne's last name or the last name of the woman he got divorced from in 2007. So I actually made some notes. I'm gonna look more into that, but we got a lot going on with him

• 1:07:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  because if he's been with Ginger since him and Ginger say they've been married, there would be no way because he would have been married to two different women, okay? Now, we had some disorderly conduct, intoxication charge in 2013, some obedience to traffic control devices in 2001, vandalism in 1991, child support accompanied by failure to appear charges, criminal trespass, domestic violence. I can't see the dates on those. I think that's probably some of the stuff he got expunged, right? Then we have a 1993 fugitive wanted other jurisdiction, aggravated menace in 1996, domestic violence in 1996, criminal trespass in 1996, drug paraphernalia in 2002, drug abuse in 2002.

• 1:08:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  There were a few things that he got in trouble for in what looked like Washington DC. He was kind of all over the place. He was in California for a little bit. I found it all.

• 1:08:16Derrick Levasseur?

  And if you were to ask him, he would say it's just the police hounding him.

• 1:08:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because the place where he lived before was corrupt, but what are you talking about? California, Ohio? Yeah.

• 1:08:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, they all are. I guarantee you, if you ask them about these things, you go, yep, they were after me too.

• 1:08:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  When you're looking at this stuff, it's like child support, yeah, some domestic violence, some drug stuff, but nothing to the nature of like what he's there to talk to the police about right now, right? He's never attacked anybody, stabbed anybody.

• 1:08:42Derrick Levasseur?

  I would say the domestic violence charges could be indicative of a future behavior.

• 1:08:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  I agree. So could the drug charges, right? But.

• 1:08:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Right, the drugs for sure, but the domestic abuse, it shows a predisposition to violence and yeah, I could see that somehow being correlated to what we're talking about here. I don't know. We'll have to see.

• 1:08:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he's making it seem like I've just been hounded for no reason over child support. Well, it wasn't just child support, right? Because it was drug charges and it was having a weapon without a license and domestic violence, like you said, so maybe the police in your jurisdiction saw a pattern of behavior and that's why you were constantly hounded.

• 1:09:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and they were keeping an eye on you because you were caught, you were in the drug game and they were watching you.

• 1:09:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Dwayne Hall also illustrates his familiarity with the arrest process when the agents begin reading him his rights.

• 1:09:27Speaker 07

  So let me, let me understand this. Usually in my experience, I've heard you explain a little bit of that. It's not been that great, but it's enough experience to kind of put A and B together. Am I being officially detained?

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  You are here to hopefully talk with us and.

• 1:09:48Speaker 07

  Straight answers.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're not detained. So you said you kind of understand because you've been.

• 1:09:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been talking to Calvin about this stuff, so what's going on?

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  So you understand that I do need to just tell you your rights?

• 1:10:03Speaker 07

  If you gotta do more, do more rights, okay? Check the box.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  It's checking a box.

• 1:10:10Speaker 07

  You're right to remain silent. Anything you say can

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  Oh, what? You're gonna do it? You're gonna do it for me?

• 1:10:15Speaker 07

  You still have to do it still.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  I know, I still have to do it, even though you say that you understand it. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:10:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, man. Sharp. That's all I gotta say. Sharp. He's controlling.

• 1:10:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think he's shady as fuck, man. Honestly, it's like, hey, you still have to do it. It's technicality. It's like, I'm a con man.

• 1:10:29Derrick Levasseur?

  He knows what's there. He knows what he has to ask and, you know, the right to ask it. And when she starts kind of bumbling around, he's like, straight answers, straight answers. Let's get to it.

• 1:10:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, did you see also, when he was like, am I being detained? The agents look at each other. Like, they don't know how to answer.

• 1:10:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I'll tell you, not impressed with these two. Maybe it's just a bad start because he started with, I forgot your name. Like, you're not building credibility with this person because...

• 1:10:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  You're not showing him you're in control of the situation. Yeah.

• 1:10:57Derrick Levasseur?

  That's, you're not showing you're in control because either you're an idiot because you don't remember his name, or you're lying. So you started off the conversation lying to him. That's not the rapport you're trying to build. He's someone who's saying he's gonna be a straight shooter. You should be portraying the same attitude. Okay, fine, you like straight shooter? I'm a straight shooter as well. This is gonna be a great conversation. He's coming off as submissive to what Dwayne's trying to do here, and he's not. I just don't like this interview so far. I really don't.

• 1:11:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think when he said, I forgot your name, obviously, we know he didn't. I think he was trying to show Dwayne Hall, like, yeah, you're not in here for anything, like, serious right now, you know, like...

• 1:11:31Derrick Levasseur?

  It didn't work. Not for a career criminal like that. He knows you know his name. He also knows why you have him in there. So he knows the significance of what he's being looked at for. So he knows that you know his name.

• 1:11:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right. So, these agents, they start off small, you know? They ask Dwayne Hall about the credit card transactions made on August 11th.

• 1:11:52Speaker 07

  To my recollection, it was, the sun was down. I try not to drive at night. I can't drive. I can't see very well at night. They called at night, and they tried to run a card. And my card services kept declining it. So they kept going lower and lower on the amount. And the only thing she was saying that even made me paranoid and thought it was pretty sketchy, it was too quiet in the background for somebody that was broke down. I mean, for somebody that's broke down, it was way too quiet in the background. And she kept saying over and over again, I swear there's money on the card. I swear, I swear, I swear.

• 1:12:28Speaker 07

  And of course, I declined, and I didn't go out there. And I was actually thinking about it after I spoke to Calvin. I was like, if I talk to him again, I will bring, I will throw my idea out there, just simply because I don't want to throw anything. I don't want to throw him into looking or thinking any different than what he's already doing. Let him do his thing. And then if more comes of this, which it just did, obviously, because I'm here and you have my vehicle, I was thinking about it. And I even asked my wife about it. Because I had mentioned something about it the first time I got a call from Calvin. And me and her had talked about it. And I'm more convinced than ever, I don't think, I seriously don't think it was about a service card. This is something that happens in my

• 1:13:12Speaker 07

  industry, okay? Let's say either one of you are subject to the same thing, okay? You call me up, hey, I need a jump start. Hey, I need a tire change. Okay, let me get you, how you want to pay for it? By card. Let me get your card. Let me run that. And I'll be out there, whatever. We try to run your card. Card goes through. You call me 10 minutes later and say, never mind, I need a refund. What that would do, and what I'm thinking, why she kept saying over and over again, I swear there's money on the card. Run the card for an exorbitant amount of money, which it was. I'm not even gonna play. It was like

• 1:13:57Speaker 07

  a week's pay, like, I'm gonna turn that down, right? I'm a small company. There's literally two of us, okay? But, and I'm struggling to make ends meet. But if you ran the card and you called back 15, 20 minutes later and said, never mind, I don't need help. I need a refund. I submit a refund. Three, five business days later, you get your money back. Now, if there was somebody there coursing this woman to do this, all they'd have to do is keep that card, wait three, five days and go scan it or whatever at a local ATM.

• 1:14:30Speaker 07

  That's what I'm thinking.

• 1:14:32Speaker 02

  What do you mean scan? I'm just trying to understand, because I don't...

• 1:14:35Speaker 07

  Put it in the ATM.

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  Oh, to get the money?

• 1:14:39Speaker 07

  Yeah. Oh, we confirmed that there's a thousand dollars on there now. Let's go get it in five days.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  Oh, because of the refund?

• 1:14:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, because of the refund.

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  Okay, all right.

• 1:14:49Speaker 07

  That's confirming that there's money on there. And you wouldn't want to go to an ATM if you were up to some shady shit. You wouldn't want to go to an ATM and do that because they have cameras.

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:15:00Speaker 07

  It just so happened that they seen my company because we're one of the top companies in the area. And we would probably have been near the top of the search list. I don't know, there was, she just kept lowering the amount, lowering, lowering, lowering, going all the way down to 100. And it started out like $900, really, which I kind of flinched at. It's like, you know, we don't charge that much. Just run it, just run it, just run it.

• 1:15:23Speaker 05

  And what was she wanting?

• 1:15:25Speaker 07

  Service. She never really said it. There was not that much of a conversation.

• 1:15:30Speaker 07

  Not in my car, really. I need help. Do you need a tow? No. But if I'm not mistaken, she was up off of 364 out of Reddick. So she was kind of out in the middle of nowhere.

• 1:15:43Speaker 05

  Did she say 364, or did she...

• 1:15:46Speaker 07

  No, that's just, she was telling me, she was trying to explain to me where she was. And because I'm thirty, I've been doing this for a decade.

• 1:15:53Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:15:54Speaker 07

  I think, like I said, I think, it's not necessarily where they were. It could have been anywhere, and just telling me what I want to hear.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:16:02Speaker 07

  Okay. So, especially if she was under duress, which I firmly think she was. You can't...

• 1:16:10Speaker 05

  Tell me more about that. Why do you say that?

• 1:16:12Speaker 07

  Because all she got, she was very, very adamant about, there's money on the card. There's money on the card. It didn't, wasn't like she was talking to me. I didn't, I didn't get the sense that she was talking to me.

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:16:26Speaker 07

  So I, you know, in hindsight, I feel like she was under duress. I feel like she was talking to somebody else. It was way too quiet. We broke down in the middle of nowhere because there's a lot of insects this time of year. You should be able to hear it with a phone.

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:16:41Speaker 07

  You get me? Okay? Even if you're inside your car with the windows up, I should still be able to hear something. Even if the car completely shut down on power, I should still be able to hear something, even more so at night. There's gonna be night, birds, animals, and whatnot, and I won't hear it, especially if you're not near the interstate, which, again, was way too quiet. So I know she wasn't out on the interstate. Those big rigs make a big whoosh when they go by.

• 1:17:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Big rigs make a big whoosh when they go by. Not birds.

• 1:17:10Derrick Levasseur?

  It's one thing to appear intelligent. This is where he's misstepping. Because unfortunately for Dwayne, he doesn't know what law enforcement knows. He doesn't know about the successful charge hit. So what's going on, if we could give a visual representation of this, this part of the interview, the detective is handing him rope, and handing him rope, and having him, oh, could you elaborate on it? Can you talk more? Because he's burying him deeper in this lie.

• 1:17:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  Why do you think that? Yeah.

• 1:17:36Derrick Levasseur?

  He's going to reveal. But right now, he's just handing him the rope to hang himself, and he's going, here you go. Let me keep feeding you. I'm gonna let you keep talking. And then the other part of this is, we heard the initial phone call. Very little information provided. At no point did he say, yeah, she sounded like she was in trouble.

• 1:17:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, he said, remember, he said, I was talking to that agent, and then I thought in hindsight, after I talked to my wife about it, like, yeah, you know, if I, if I talk to him again, I'm gonna say it. And now I'm here, so I'm just gonna say it to you. So he's trying to make it seem like, after thinking about it, yeah.

• 1:18:04Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it's not working. Especially when he said it was a missing person. That would be something you'd want to disclose at that point. And then as far as his theory on the, on the card itself, even though we know it's not true, if you're gonna check a card, and sometimes criminals will do this, you charge a small amount on it to see if there's money on the card. You don't charge the card. Make sure it went through. Hold on to the card for three days. Wait for the refund. That's idiotic. So what are you saying there? The cops are looking at each other like, what are you talking about? That's not what people do at all. So, nice try, A for effort, but not landing.

• 1:18:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, now he's trying to make it, like, I think there was somebody else there, right? Like, I can't, now I'm thinking about it. She kept saying, there's money on the card, there's money on the card. But I don't think she was talking to me, you know?

• 1:18:44Derrick Levasseur?

  He, this is the area where he's tripping up because he's exuding confidence, and yet he's saying too much.

• 1:18:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's exuding confidence, but he's a bumbling idiot at the same time. Yeah.

• 1:18:53Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he, what he's actually saying when you listen to him, and not just the tone, and the approach, and the confidence in which he's saying it, if you listen to the actual words, you're like, oh, yeah, he's a moron.

• 1:19:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, well, remember, Dwayne had been unable to provide any evidence that he'd even received a call when these transactions were going through. And furthermore, we already know that the transactions happened around 1 o'clock in the afternoon. But Dwayne said, he, he's getting the call at nighttime, when it was already dark, right? And he, he said, I, I was taking some medication, specifically muscle relaxers. And at that time of the night, even though I'm on call in my car and waiting for, you know, someone to need roadside assistance, I'd already popped a few. But then he switches gears. He very seamlessly switches gears. When the agents asked him where he was when he received the call, and where he says he was places him in the exact area of the Airbnb that Sonia had rented in Riddick, Florida.

• 1:19:48Speaker 05

  Where were you, like, when you were having this conversation?

• 1:19:54Speaker 07

  I was actually out in the other side of Riddick.

• 1:19:58Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:19:59Speaker 07

  I was out there on a different type of job.

• 1:20:03Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:20:04Speaker 07

  I'd gotten hired and I ain't telling you anything about this because I signed an NDA for the client.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:20:10Speaker 07

  Okay. But if it comes down to it and we need that information and we desperately need that information, I'll break that NDA. But the reason why the NDA was there is because there's a high-profile client that has cars for people like Travolta and shit like that on his property and doesn't want that shit all disclosed.

• 1:20:34Speaker 05

  What other side of Riddick?

• 1:20:36Speaker 07

  Man, we're talking about, we're talking about like over that fucking way.

• 1:20:41Speaker 07

  Over that way out in the middle of fucking, I don't even know what, out that way.

• 1:20:49Speaker 05

  Like further away from the interstate?

• 1:20:50Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God, yes. I drove for probably 30 minutes just to get out in the general area and then I had to park my vehicle with my phone and everything else initially before they'd take me on out to the property.

• 1:21:04Speaker 05

  Tell me more about that. It's pretty important.

• 1:21:07Speaker 07

  I can't tell you more about that. Tell me why it's more important.

• 1:21:11Speaker 05

  Because it's different from what you told before.

• 1:21:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, because I wasn't asked these questions before.

• 1:21:16Speaker 05

  Well, now we're asking them, so that's why.

• 1:21:18Speaker 07

  Okay, so basically what happened was this dude had a bunch of cars out there, old shit. My favorite one was the 33 Rat Rod with the big 355 sitting down in it. And it all chromed out and shit. And he basically had me out there doing maintenance on him. He said he chooses a different company every year. And basically if he gets it, he goes through Yelp or whatever to find a small company. And then he has, if he likes, if they know what they're doing, because he'll sabotage his car on purpose to see if they know what they're doing. And I had his car fixed when he did that for me in like a few minutes. I walked up, oh, dropping that.

• 1:21:59Speaker 05

  Do you remember what he did to sabotage it?

• 1:22:01Speaker 07

  He just unplugged the wire.

• 1:22:03Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:22:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, he unplugged the wire that's kind of hidden down in there.

• 1:22:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:06Derrick Levasseur?

  He has that shovel still from Walmart because he's digging a hole, man.

• 1:22:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  We're gonna take a quick break, but first I want you to know, this is a man that Dwayne Hall is talking about, this guy with all these cars for John Travolta and this and that. He's gonna call him Harold, okay? And Harold's got a very interesting backstory, so let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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• 1:25:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're back. So this is the man that Dwayne Hall calls Harold. And he says the first time Harold called him was about six or seven months prior. And that's when Harold tested Dwayne Hall. Remember, he like do something intentionally to his vehicle and see if he can fix it. And Dwayne Hall said that the test happened at a Cracker Barrel. And he got paid $25, which is his standard service fee for a call. And he showed up, he got Harold's car fixed, and he got Harold back on the road in about 30 minutes. And Harold liked that, which is why he called Dwayne Hall about a week later and told him he had more work for him. And this work paid a lot of money, but also required Dwayne Hall to sign an NDA, right? Because he's like, I'm not gonna tell you more about that because I signed an NDA.

• 1:26:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, can't do that. Not like you're in an interview with the law enforcement right now and they're basically trying to confirm your whereabouts.

• 1:26:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  This guy has cars for Travolta, right?

• 1:26:17Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. But also, by the way, something else too. He has someone new work on these cars every time. That's the exact opposite of what you would do. You would want the same person who knows the vehicles, who's not gonna screw them up, to take care of them.

• 1:26:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Dwayne has theories about that too later. Okay, yeah. So Dwayne said that everything was very mysterious with Harold. Because not only is he sure that Harold isn't even this guy's real name, but strange things started to happen after he worked for Harold at this secretive job, which happened to take place the weekend of August 10, 2025.

• 1:26:50Speaker 02

  Did he give you a copy of it? Is there any paperwork?

• 1:26:53Speaker 07

  Okay, so now that you're asking the drip questions, I can tell you about that too. Too bad I don't have my phone here and I show you. For that time period, normally I have calls coming in all hours of the day and night.

• 1:27:06Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:27:07Speaker 07

  Yeah. Okay. So on that weekend, when these transactions and interactions with this individual were taking place, they disappeared. I didn't know you. I literally have three calls listed for, I think it's Sunday, three. It's either Saturday or Sunday. There's three calls compared to 20, 30 a day that come into my phone.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  So did the calls come in and you were having those conversations and it wasn't logged? Or you weren't getting calls at all?

• 1:27:42Speaker 07

  Calls were coming in. They vanished. They vanished out of the call log. Text messages, emails, everything. Everything regarding and relating to that service that I did out there vanished, gone, like it never happened.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:27:59Speaker 05

  How'd he pay you?

• 1:28:01Speaker 07

  He paid me with a card.

• 1:28:04Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:28:05Speaker 07

  Paid with a card.

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:28:06Speaker 07

  Read card numbers off to me and I programmed them in and I got paid.

• 1:28:11Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:28:11Speaker 07

  I got paid $1,200 fucking fat dollars for like 36 hours of my time. Because after the NDA, I never seen him again.

• 1:28:21Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:28:21Speaker 07

  And he always sent a driver to come pick me up and take me whenever we were scheduled to go out there.

• 1:28:30Speaker 05

  So what was his name?

• 1:28:31Speaker 07

  It was Harold, and I can't remember. I'm shit with names. I just am. It's Harold. And I was joking that is, I tried to commit it to memory, but it sounded a lot like the last name was Hyperangia, but it wasn't. It sounded like that. It was Harold something. And I think it's a fake name.

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Tell me about what he looked like because you said you did meet him in person.

• 1:28:56Speaker 07

  You look like a Middle Easterner, but tall.

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:01Speaker 07

  It's... Okay, you look like a Middle Easterner. In my brain, this is how I remember what he looked like, okay? He was a tall Middle Easterner, but his teeth were too big for his face and his smile was too big for his teeth.

• 1:29:17Speaker 02

  Teeth were too big for his face, smile was too big for his teeth?

• 1:29:22Speaker 07

  Uh huh.

• 1:29:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:23Speaker 07

  So when he smiled, he seen everything. It looked like just creepy serial killer vibe on the smile.

• 1:29:28Speaker 05

  Oh wow.

• 1:29:29Speaker 07

  And of course, his teeth were as white as your paper.

• 1:29:32Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:29:32Speaker 07

  And it made his teeth look way too big for his face. And then he smiled super fucking creepy big on top of it. And then, of course, he's tan. And he's got the darker colored hair. And it's just like...

• 1:29:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:46Speaker 07

  I don't want to get caught in a turn of the hell with this guy. You know, but at the same time, that's really nondescript because I don't remember faces. Like I said, I just, I don't, I'm sorry. Very clean, very tidy. That's the one thing that stood out. And then he don't have a hair out of place, don't, nothing. Just clean, tidy, very...

• 1:30:10Speaker 07

  Oh, and that's another thing.

• 1:30:13Speaker 07

  Talking about digital footprints. He paid me at 11 o'clock at night, but when I look at the thing, it says 1:09 PM. Hmm.

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  Okay. So...

• 1:30:24Speaker 07

  Because he said, he said, and I quote, "My other truck was delayed and didn't come in, so I don't have the extra 20 vehicles for you. So you're done, our contract is over." And he paid me. And then I went home that Monday, that Sunday. Or I tried to go home that Sunday. But I was being followed.

• 1:30:48Speaker 05

  How so?

• 1:30:48Speaker 07

  I was being tailed.

• 1:30:50Speaker 05

  Tell me more about that.

• 1:30:51Speaker 07

  It was, uh, I can't really tell you too much because I never got close enough. But it was either... It was along the lines, because they got these stupid ass new colors nowadays. They can't just be silver or gray. Okay. But it was, it was on color spectrum type from like a silvery tan color. You know what I'm talking about, right? When they, the vehicle color that gets, it gets out of that tan cream color and more into the charcoal color, the gray color. It was, it was somewhere, it was something like that, or maybe a silver color sedan.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  So it kind of depends on how the light shining on it.

• 1:31:27Speaker 07

  Yeah. And it was blacked out.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:31:32Speaker 07

  I mean, at least from my vantage point, it was blacked out. It freaked me out enough that I actually didn't go home.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  Okay. Tell me more about that.

• 1:31:39Speaker 07

  I got off like I was going to get off to go home. And I went past the entrance to where I would normally turn to go to my house. And I came back, I U-turned and come back because it's like, there's no way. There's coincidence and maybe he's just getting off, maybe he's going out through here. And I went and I came back. And then I noticed that they U-turned too, so I dipped into a side little spot. I sat there for a few minutes until they left. Until I thought that they left. And then I zipped and took some back roads and I sat there and waited. And I seriously sat there and now I don't know what the address is.

• 1:32:15Speaker 07

  But at the same time, I sat there and I waited for an hour. And they kept making passes on the main road. I know they could see the back of my vehicle. I didn't care about that. They kept making passes on the main road. And then I left. And when I left, they pulled in and stopped right where I was.

• 1:32:35Derrick Levasseur?

  He's falling apart.

• 1:32:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, he's got the tall tails.

• 1:32:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, everything, everything is very elaborate, but nothing can be corroborated. It's a very detailed story to try to give it validity and yet, nothing can go back and be checked to ensure that it's true.

• 1:32:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Cause the digital footprint disappeared.

• 1:32:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep, it disappeared or it's not what I'm telling you it is. Like I, it was at 11 o'clock, but he paid me at 1.

• 1:32:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, he said, listen, the digital footprint disappeared. And on that note, it's weird because like even the transaction where he paid me at 11 o'clock at night, it shows that it went through at once. So these people associated with Harold are able to somehow get into your phone and make things disappear and also change financial transactions, by the way.

• 1:33:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Harold changed the oil for the CIA, apparently, or aliens. Either way, they have technology that we don't quite understand yet. And Harold is just a victim of circumstance.

• 1:33:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is some like Pegasus, like, uh, what is that called? When they like make it go on your phone and they can see everything you're doing? Except they can also change things, right? So they've, they've changed things in his phone and erased other things.

• 1:33:40Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, there was two men, one was black, one was white. And they had a little, little metal device that they held up to his eyes when they put their sunglasses on and it flashed and then he doesn't remember anything after that. That was a Men in Black reference that I don't think you picked up, but...

• 1:33:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  I, I did, of course I did.

• 1:33:55Derrick Levasseur?

  I didn't know, I didn't know.

• 1:33:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's saying like, yeah, you know, it's all secretive and I had to sign the NDA. And then, and then all of a sudden, when he got paid, Harold was like, "Our contract is done." And he goes home, but he's being followed by the silvery, maybe gray car, maybe beige, kind of maybe gray beige, you know, when it shifts and he's got all these like, because he doesn't want to, he wants to talk about anything but the questions that he's being asked. And then he says he's being followed and he realizes he's being followed because he's, I, I cut this part out, he's used to being followed by the police, right? So...

• 1:34:26Derrick Levasseur?

  And interrogators writing down on his notepad and like pretending like he's paying attention. I'm sure if I had that page, he wrote, he's full of shit.

• 1:34:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  When she's like, can you describe him? He's like, "His teeth were too big for his mouth and his mouth too big for his face."

• 1:34:38Derrick Levasseur?

  For his mouth, mouth too big for his teeth. I was trying to play that in my head as well. I'm like, that doesn't make any sense.

• 1:34:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  The detective, she's like, "Smile too big for..." And she's like, got her, her pen like posed over her notebook, like she's gonna make notes about his description and she doesn't even know what to write. She's like, uh...

• 1:34:53Derrick Levasseur?

  You can also see the physical cues too, right, Stephanie? Like he started off this interview where he was facing them, very direct, very poised. And now he's jumping all over the place. He's crossing his legs, uncrossing his legs, he's bladed. Then he's facing them again, he's laughing weirdly. He's uncomfortable now, there's an anxiety there. And his behavior is showing that, his demeanor is completely changed.

• 1:35:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's trying to seem too casual, right?

• 1:35:16Derrick Levasseur?

  He realizes what he's doing right now and that, oh my God, they go back and try to confirm any of this, it's gonna expose me. But he's too deep in now, where he can't, he has nothing else to do. And he knows it.

• 1:35:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Remember, he's like, okay, now you've asked me the direct questions, I can tell you.

• 1:35:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh yeah.

• 1:35:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  That I signed an NDA and I can't tell you. I'm trying to do my best here, within the constraints I've been given, to also cooperate with you. But he's nervous, he's very, very nervous. And he's saying he pulled over because he was being tracked on his way home and he didn't go home. And this is the weekend, right? Where Sonia Exelby arrives in Florida and she goes missing and she doesn't make her return flight home on that following Monday. And his time period is, he goes out there on Friday night. And he's brought to this house where he's allowed to stay. And then every day, he's gotta be driven out to this other area that's like 15 minutes past the house. And that's where he's working on these cars. But he can't bring his phone, can't know where they're going because there's some driver.

• 1:36:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then he comes back at night to sleep at the house. But then he was supposed to work till Sunday, but then Harold comes to him on Saturday and he's like, "Our contract is up, here's your money." Right, that he's gonna pay him at approximately the same amount, right? Exactly the same amount that came from Sonia Exelby's card. So he, he pays him and then he's like, "You're done." He spends the night there on Saturday, Sunday morning, he gets up to go home, he's being followed. He pulls over in this specific place and he's sitting there for like an hour because he's super nervous. And they're going to track this specific place where he said he was sitting. And they're gonna find things there. So Dwayne Hall claims that when he left this undisclosed area on Sunday, he's followed, he tried to lose his tail, he ended up parking in an area for an hour. And he said he knew he was there for an hour because he smoked some dabs

• 1:37:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  while he was waiting to calm his nerves. And, and anybody who knows about dabs, this is not a casual marijuana thing, okay? Like you just happen to have on you, but anyways, that's what he was doing. So Dwayne went on to explain, like I said, he worked for Harold Friday and Saturday night, but he wasn't with Harold, he was just on his property, this house in Reddick, doing work for him. And then he would have to leave his phone at this place where he was staying before being driven about 15 minutes to another place where the cars were. And the cars, there were so many of them, there was like six of them in double line. So there's like 12 cars and Harold had every tool known to man because Harold told him very specifically, "You can't bring anything of your own, not your phone, not your own tools, because I can't have anybody bugging or taking pictures or anything." So he had every tool known to man.

• 1:37:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  And Dwayne said that the first place was this like mini apartment where Harold let him sleep while he was working. And then when he first got there on Friday, Harold let him inside and that's when he signed the NDA inside this mini apartment. And then that first night, he was instructed, "Leave your phone at the apartment. You're not allowed to have any electronic devices. You can't talk to anyone about what you're doing here, you can't take pictures." But he said the second night, Saturday night, he was able to sneak his phone to the location where he was working on the cars. He was very covert about it and he stuck the phone in while he was being driven there. And he was able to talk to his wife, even though he had expressed many times to the agents that there was no service anywhere, not at the apartment, not at the location where he was working at.

• 1:38:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  He said, "He thinks Harold jammed the signals," right? Because there's just no service, not wifi, not cell service.

• 1:38:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Uh, alien technology, man.

• 1:38:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  But on this night, Saturday night, he's able to get a call out to his wife Ginger. And when he's on the call with his wife Ginger, he hears an argument happening somewhere. He hears a woman and men yelling and hears an argument. And he says to his wife, "Oh, this is kind of crazy, like who knows what's going on with these people." But it, but nothing else happens from there. And then Dwayne Hall said, "Oh yeah. Friday night, by the way, Harold asked me to do something else for him before I went out to Reddick to do the job."

• 1:39:06Speaker 07

  And now we get, now, now we get to the worst part of the story that I'm dreading talking about altogether because I have a really bad feeling about it again. Like I said, really bad. The same went from, I'm not gonna pay any attention to it, to really bad, in my opinion, because everything that happened. He called me up. I was working in Gainesville, shift ended at 6.

• 1:39:31Speaker 07

  He called me up and he said, "Hey, I need you to go pick somebody up from Gainesville Airport."

• 1:39:35Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:39:36Speaker 07

  I picked somebody up from Gainesville Airport, female. Tried to make small talk with him. They told me basically, and I'm barely even paraphrasing here, "Shut up, I don't talk to the help."

• 1:39:49Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  This is what this person said? Okay.

• 1:39:52Speaker 07

  Shut up, I don't talk to the help. Just drive.

• 1:39:55Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:39:57Speaker 07

  And I drove, she got out of my vehicle, walked up to him like she knew him, gave him a hug, hopped in, maybe a seventies Cadillac Eldorado,

• 1:40:07Speaker 07

  with a separate driver, all blacked out, and they left.

• 1:40:11Speaker 02

  And where was that?

• 1:40:12Speaker 07

  Nordegg, at that one hundred and twenty second.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:40:17Speaker 07

  I was told, I was told that that was a buyer and was going to purchase one of the vehicles.

• 1:40:26Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:40:27Speaker 07

  That's why I had to pick her up and they didn't have her own vehicle because they were going to be driving off in their own vehicle.

• 1:40:32Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:40:34Speaker 07

  And that was the last I heard about that until that blow up on Saturday night.

• 1:40:38Speaker 05

  Okay, describe her to me.

• 1:40:40Speaker 07

  Five eight, five nine, car care, pulled back, very crude, very prudent.

• 1:40:47Speaker 05

  What do you mean by that?

• 1:40:48Speaker 07

  Flowery grass, flowery grass is kind of low cut.

• 1:40:52Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:40:53Speaker 07

  But, just, like I said, they tried to make small talk, "Don't you shut up, I don't talk to the help."

• 1:40:58Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:40:59Speaker 07

  Prudent, yeah, you know, like.

• 1:41:03Speaker 05

  What'd she sound like?

• 1:41:05Speaker 07

  American?

• 1:41:07Speaker 02

  Sounds like me!

• 1:41:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, kinda.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:41:11Speaker 07

  Kinda, maybe a slightly deeper voice, short skirt. What are you going to tell me? I'm a bitch, what's this in the bag? Look at the legs!

• 1:41:20Speaker 07

  But that was...

• 1:41:21Derrick Levasseur?

  You can see what he's doing, he knows, he knows they know more than they're saying, and now he knows where this is gonna go and he's trying to basically connect him to Sonia in a very innocent way. We all know what he's trying to do, the execution's terrible, but it's confirming everything they already know. He's putting himself in the car with Sonia.

• 1:41:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  I picked her up from the airport, but I didn't know who she was, and that's just because Harold told me to, and I, she was a buyer for one of the cars, so I didn't really question it, and she was really rude to me, I don't talk to the help, like, she knows these other guys, he's just this random stray middleman that's brought in, right? And so they talked about this with Dwayne for a while, and they're asking like, "What did the house look like that you stayed in? Did anyone stay there with you? Did you ever see the woman again?" And at some point, the agent, Joseph Miller, he got up and left the room, at which point Dwayne Hall had an epiphany. He had an epiphany after Rebecca McKinsey showed him a picture of Sonia Exelby.

• 1:42:17Speaker 02

  You, you described the person that you picked up at the airport, and I have a picture.

• 1:42:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, you do, show me.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  And I am hoping that maybe you can tell me that that's who it was.

• 1:42:28Speaker 07

  It is who it was.

• 1:42:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:42:31Speaker 07

  So, I don't even need my glasses for that.

• 1:42:33Speaker 02

  You don't even need your glasses?

• 1:42:34Speaker 07

  I mean, the face is kind of [__] up, but yeah, that's the dress.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  That's the dress?

• 1:42:40Speaker 07

  That's the dress, the low cut.

• 1:42:42Speaker 02

  Okay. And the legs, like you said?

• 1:42:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:42:45Speaker 02

  Are you sure? You want to look at the legs again? Is that good?

• 1:42:48Speaker 07

  I don't even want to look at the fucking legs again, now I'm just absolutely [__] disgusted. No, I mean, like, seriously though, um, yeah.

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  That's her? Okay, so this is...

• 1:42:56Speaker 07

  If you'd have had a picture [__] a long time ago, I could have told you, "Oh my god!"

• 1:43:01Speaker 07

  That was, that's her, huh? Oh my god, she was in my [__] vehicle.

• 1:43:06Speaker 02

  So let's, let's, uh, talk about that. Tell me more about that drive.

• 1:43:10Speaker 07

  It was quiet, I just listened to music.

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:43:13Speaker 07

  I had Spotify on, I just, if you don't want to talk to me, I don't want to talk to you anyway, [__] you.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no, I hear that.

• 1:43:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm here to do a job, I don't give a [__] about much else at this point anyway, I have a wife and I ain't interested in another woman anyway.

• 1:43:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:29Speaker 07

  What if, this what if, right? What if they do this every year? What if this Harold guy does this every year?

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  Doesn't work.

• 1:43:40Speaker 07

  What if, what if he does find some small company, like, some sort of company that does, that does, like, the mechanic to end up with, what if he really does that every year? What if, what if that's real? What if there's a different person that goes missing every year? That is related to that?

• 1:44:02Speaker 07

  Because, that's [__] up. That's [__] up, and then, there was a big thing, and then the phone call about money, and this, that, and the other, and we start connecting the dots, like, me and her did? What if this is some kind of underground [__] thing, where they get unsuspecting people, especially, like, Calvin told me, she was suicidal anyway?

• 1:44:30Speaker 07

  What if she signed up for something? And they, and they, they predator these, these young women, or men, that are suicidal like that, and then just, they vanish?

• 1:44:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's an interesting, like, that's interesting.

• 1:44:48Speaker 07

  I mean, I've heard worse [__], I mean, especially since he, he name dropped that, he name dropped that, it was really weird that he would name drop [__] like this, and then make me sign an NDA, but he name dropped that he was storing vehicles for Drivola, Terry Belair, the, the Hulk Hogan family.

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:45:06Speaker 07

  And Tom Cruise.

• 1:45:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:45:10Speaker 07

  What if some, what if it's some kind of [__] up Scientology bullshit behind the scenes, and going and working on the cars is just a cover story?

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  To get you involved?

• 1:45:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, what am I gonna do? I'm nobody. I had, I don't have corporate lawyers, I don't have, I have nothing. What if I'm just being played as a patsy, a scapegoat?

• 1:45:34Speaker 07

  Who they gonna look for?

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:36Speaker 07

  But, seriously, who, who are you gonna look for? You gonna look for some Arabian looking guy, some Middle Eastern guy with big white [__] teeth with a really big [__] creepy smile? And just grabs half the [__] people in Ocala?

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  Does it? I'm not from here, is that his fact?

• 1:45:53Speaker 07

  I mean, I mean, let's be reasonable.

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:56Speaker 07

  You know?

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  So you, you mentioned that you were told that she was suicidal, and that maybe there was something that was prearranged?

• 1:46:05Speaker 07

  Calvin.

• 1:46:05Speaker 02

  Told you, right, Calvin told you that she was suicidal.

• 1:46:08Speaker 07

  And me and my wife were talking about this, and it seemed really weird because she didn't question anything, she didn't talk to the help, didn't question about where I was driving. Nothing. Got out, walked up, gave dude a hug, bounced in his [__] big ass car.

• 1:46:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, a few things here, first off, I want a screenshot of, uh, the beginning of the interview with his posture, and then him basically sprawled out on the couch with his arm behind him, posing like he's on the Titanic and being, being drawn by Jack.

• 1:46:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's like, man, she was in my car, she was in my vehicle.

• 1:46:40Derrick Levasseur?

  It's bad, and, and then, he goes on to suggest a potential theory that she signed up for something involving these people, just, just really on the head there, maybe he should be a detective.

• 1:46:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, first he says, "Maybe they do this every year," right? And, and, you know, could be some weird Scientology thing, because then he's bringing in Scientology, because this is, this is where I have to, you know, stop it, when the conspiracy theorists start using, uh, these theories to actually defend their own crimes. And then, then he's like, "Well, Calvin," and he's talking about the agent that called him and asked him about the transactions the first time, "He told me, you know, she was thinking about taking her own life, so what if? What if? What if there's groups of people that help other people do this?"

• 1:47:23Derrick Levasseur?

  This was something that, originally, he thought it was a nothing burger when they called him to ask him about this person who was broke down that he never met, never talked to, and now, him and his wife are speculating about this woman, what she potentially got tied up in. Compliment, because I was quick to kind of, you know, criticize the detectives, they're doing a very good job of listening. Their questions are short, they're not trying to be the star of the show.

• 1:47:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, they're like, "Oh, yeah."

• 1:47:48Derrick Levasseur?

  They're not saying much, and that is a skill.

• 1:47:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, when this guy's talking, like, just, it's pouring out of him at this point, yeah, you gotta listen.

• 1:47:55Derrick Levasseur?

  They're letting him go, they're not stopping him, they're not interjecting, a lot of it's just like, "Oh, yeah? Yeah, that's all." They're doing a good job with that.

• 1:48:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so, at this point, and, and I liked how, like, when the, the one agent was out of the room, he like leans in all conspiratorially with the woman, he's like, "What if? What if?" And then the other guy comes back in the room and it kind of throws him, and he starts talking louder, and then he says to the guy, like her and I were talking about, kind of like he's saying, like, "Oh yes, I'm like the Frank Abagnale Jr. and catch me if you can, you know, I'm working with you guys to understand the criminal mind, you know, what if? Like, this is what we kind of been going back and forth."

• 1:48:29Derrick Levasseur?

  He thinks they, he's got him. He doesn't. Spoiler alert, he doesn't.

• 1:48:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's getting pretty heated in that room, you know, he's painting himself into a corner, yeah, he needs a break, we need a break, and then, when we come back, we're gonna see how things change and what happens when they start to gradually introduce evidence they have against Dwayne Hall.

• 1:48:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Ah, this is gonna be fun.

• 1:48:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  We'll be right back.

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• 1:52:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so we're back. The agents, they're saying like, okay, all of this is great, and actually, we verified, we verified those declined transactions you were telling us. So all of that checked out, that's great. He's like, yep, yep, I knew they would, right? And then they're like, but actually, we also verified a transaction that actually went through, and this is the one that you claimed was Harold paying you for the job that weekend, and we've, we've confirmed that transaction went through.

• 1:52:31Speaker 02

  And then we were also able to verify the $1,200 transaction that you talked about.

• 1:52:37Speaker 07

  Now you're gonna tell me that you verified that and it came back to her, too?

• 1:52:42Speaker 02

  What makes you think that?

• 1:52:44Speaker 07

  Why would you bring up that you verified the $1,200 transaction and not the other transactions that were there?

• 1:52:50Speaker 02

  Because those were the transactions that happened around the time that you said that she called you.

• 1:52:55Speaker 07

  All right.

• 1:52:57Speaker 02

  So that, that would be why.

• 1:52:59Speaker 07

  Okay, well, still, you know.

• 1:53:01Speaker 02

  I feel like you should be sitting in this chair. So you are.

• 1:53:06Speaker 07

  Too smart for me sometimes, too.

• 1:53:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:09Speaker 07

  But yeah, it's, am I right, though?

• 1:53:11Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:53:13Speaker 07

  So I'm a bitch.

• 1:53:14Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:53:14Speaker 07

  Can I keep the money? I already spent it and I can't pay it back.

• 1:53:18Speaker 02

  I'm sure you spent it on, on things that were important, because you're taking care of your wife. So can you help me explain how that happened? What you think, how that happened? Because you said you felt like you were being set up, so.

• 1:53:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep, and he's realizing the tide's a-turning.

• 1:53:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he's like, oh, now you're gonna tell me it came back to her, too? And she's like, why would I tell you that? And he's like, am I right, though? She's like, yep.

• 1:53:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, you're right. You're right. No, they're keeping their composure, they're not pushing him, they're just taking him down the road and allowing him to keep making wrong decisions every single time. So this is their first time where they're like, oh, by the way, we know more than you think. You were hoping that little detail, we didn't find out, we didn't do our job? Sorry. Yeah, we figured it out.

• 1:54:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, I mean, the weird thing is, this is Florida Department of Law Enforcement, so they handle like, the most major cases in Florida when things happen like this, or, you know, jurisdictional things, when it's across state lines, or even country lines at this point. But the agent, Rebecca McKenzie, she said this is the absolute worst, and she had been in law enforcement for over 20-plus years, the absolute worst case, and the most like, mind-boggling one she had ever encountered. So talking about being in that room with Dwayne Hall, she was like, we didn't even really understand, like, how deep it went, and like, how bad it was. Like, we knew there was something going on, but we, we couldn't anticipate what we uncovered here. So Dwayne Hall was told that the UK had provided Florida law enforcement with locations

• 1:54:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  that Sonia had been at, and they checked those locations, and the place he described, what he thought was Harold's place, this was actually an Airbnb that Sonia had rented. And Dwayne's like, what? Now this is getting really suspicious.

• 1:55:02Derrick Levasseur?

  They did set me up, guys, I knew it.

• 1:55:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he's, I think he says something like, now I really feel like I'm being set up here. So they asked if they could do an extraction of his phone, and he said, you know, I don't really like that, because I have personal stuff on my phone, and I don't necessarily want to share my personal stuff with the world. And so he was asked, like, you know, is it, is it weird stuff? Like, is it weird stuff on your phone? And Dwayne Hall responded, quote, "What do you think? If it's something I don't want you to see, it's probably not vanilla." End quote.

• 1:55:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  They then asked him about the receipts that they found at the Airbnb, right? And he said, yes, those are my receipts. Those were my purchases. I told you, I stayed at that place, because I was working for Harold, so that's not weird. You know, he said, I, I was driving out there that morning, and I was like, oh, I ran out of deodorant this morning, and I knew I was gonna be gone all weekend, so I stopped at Walmart to grab some, and then while I was there, I purchased some paracord, because I was working on a project the following week, and I got gun cleaner for my wife's gun, which is in my car. And he said, the shovel, oh yeah, I also got a shovel, that was for my roadside assistance company, because sometimes when you're like, changing like, a flat, you need to make a, a flat spot for the jack on the side of the highway.

• 1:56:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And so I grabbed a shovel, because I needed one, you know, for making a flat spot on the side of the highway. Yeah. He was then asked what he thought about people who wanted to take their own lives.

• 1:56:27Speaker 02

  And so if someone were to help them with that, they're just helping them do something that they wanted to have done?

• 1:56:34Speaker 07

  Who knows?

• 1:56:36Speaker 07

  Who knows, man? That's what I'm saying.

• 1:56:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:38Speaker 07

  At the end of the day, it's the only thing that really makes sense. If this woman really wanted to disappear, she came to another country.

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:48Speaker 07

  So if she really wanted to do what she, makes me think she really just wanted to disappear.

• 1:56:53Speaker 02

  So what are your thoughts, though, if somebody is like, this is what I want to have happen, I don't want to do it myself, I want somebody to help me with that? What are your, what are your thoughts about that?

• 1:57:08Speaker 07

  What am I supposed to think about that?

• 1:57:11Speaker 02

  Well, some people have, some people have feelings about that, like, no, you shouldn't help the person, and other people are like, if you're making a decision that you don't want to be here.

• 1:57:18Speaker 07

  The doctor of working was helping people with that shit, you know? And they were old people, and they were terminally ill people and stuff like that. So it's just not a black and white answer.

• 1:57:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:57:30Speaker 07

  She had to have been promised something here.

• 1:57:34Speaker 07

  Had to have been.

• 1:57:34Speaker 02

  We also know that you were one of the people that were communicating with her.

• 1:57:41Speaker 07

  What was her screen name?

• 1:57:43Speaker 02

  What does that matter?

• 1:57:45Speaker 07

  I communicate with a lot of people.

• 1:57:47Speaker 02

  Okay. Do you communicate with a lot of people about suicidal ideations?

• 1:57:52Speaker 07

  We talk, we have a lot of, I communicate, I used to.

• 1:57:55Speaker 02

  Used to?

• 1:57:56Speaker 07

  Used to communicate with a lot of people, that it was a porn site, and there was a lot of fantasy role play that happened there. But if you tell me your screen name, maybe I'll have a better idea of what you're talking about.

• 1:58:10Speaker 02

  Which porn sites?

• 1:58:13Speaker 07

  Motherless.

• 1:58:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:58:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:58:15Speaker 02

  So you communicated with her on Motherless?

• 1:58:18Speaker 07

  I don't know, but if you're saying that I communicated with her, there's a good possibility that's where it was, and if you tell me which one it was, then if you tell me the screen name, I'll be able to confirm or deny.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  Well, I'd like to, to talk more about the conversations that you have on Motherless, and if you communicate.

• 1:58:36Speaker 07

  It was months ago, I lost my account there, I got banned.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  Okay, that's hard to do.

• 1:58:40Speaker 07

  No, it's not.

• 1:58:41Speaker 02

  Really? Not on Motherless? I've been on Motherless, so, I mean, pretty much to me, everything's fair game out there.

• 1:58:46Speaker 07

  You would think, right? I don't even know why. I always get banned for terms of service violation.

• 1:58:51Speaker 02

  So what kind of stuff did you like to talk about on Motherless?

• 1:58:55Speaker 02

  And you're not gonna shock me, because like I said, I've been on Motherless.

• 1:58:58Speaker 07

  Well, let's see.

• 1:59:02Speaker 07

  I'm hard bondage.

• 1:59:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:59:05Speaker 07

  I like hard bondage.

• 1:59:07Speaker 02

  Like, all sorts of things.

• 1:59:08Speaker 07

  All kinds of disgusting crap, but some of it's not so disgusting, but a lot of it's.

• 1:59:12Speaker 02

  Well, I don't, I don't necessarily consider it disgusting.

• 1:59:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's disgusting. When you get into certain aspects of it, it gets a little bit more, it gets a little bit more out of my wheelhouse.

• 1:59:20Speaker 02

  Well, what's disgusting to you may not be disgusting to me, right? What's disgusting to me may not be disgusting to you. Like, it's all in preference, and Motherless is full of people with preferences.

• 1:59:30Speaker 07

  Yep, it absolutely is.

• 1:59:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:32Speaker 07

  I enjoyed it while I was there, but I may occasionally have the violent ideations or whatever, but at the same time, it's better left on paper.

• 1:59:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I hear that. I mean, there's a lot of people that leave it on paper. So what type of violent ideations?

• 1:59:50Speaker 07

  Don't feel comfortable discussing that with you.

• 1:59:53Speaker 02

  Would you feel comfortable discussing with him?

• 1:59:55Speaker 07

  I do not.

• 1:59:56Speaker 02

  Is that part of the privacy that you want to keep with your phone?

• 2:00:02Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 2:00:02Speaker 02

  Is that what, okay.

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  Good enough.

• 2:00:05Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 2:00:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's part of the privacy.

• 2:00:08Speaker 02

  So the reason why I'm having this discussion with you is that our missing person was also involved in those types of fantasies and violent ideations as well as.

• 2:00:24Speaker 07

  Somehow that, that somehow that surprised me.

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:00:28Speaker 07

  Especially if you're telling me that I actually had communication and she was actually communicating with me at one point or another. I'm sure we had some right nasty discussions.

• 2:00:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:38Speaker 07

  I'm not even gonna play. I'm sure we had some right nasty discussions.

• 2:00:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:42Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, so apparently Dwayne, who does not know Sonia, has not only communicated where they're on the phone, received a payment from her, picked her up from the airport, but also communicated with her on the internet, potentially motherless.com. So yeah, he's just really wrong place, wrong time. Feel bad for Dwayne. I understand how sometimes.

• 2:01:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is what happens to him though. Don't you understand? He's a target. He's a target for these setups.

• 2:01:08Derrick Levasseur?

  And, and I do want to retract my statement. Well, it was more geared towards the, the male investigator anyways, but I actually like this, a female investigator.

• 2:01:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, she's trying to relate. She's like, I've been on there, you know?

• 2:01:18Derrick Levasseur?

  I find her approach, her demeanor great. I just really like her style. She's with the FDLE. It seems like the other guy is with local.

• 2:01:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Uh, no, they're both, they're both FLD. Yeah, I believe so.

• 2:01:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, maybe FDLE, but he's from that area because when she, he mentioned, oh, a lot of the people out here are like Ocala. She looked at him and was like, oh, are they? Cause I'm not from here. And he's like, oh.

• 2:01:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, no, the one they said that describes a lot of people from Ocala. And she's like, I don't know. And, and she looked at him and he's like, yeah.

• 2:01:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I like her approach.

• 2:01:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  She's trying to make him not feel judged. You know, oh, if it's consenting adults, if it's consenting adults, why would anything be off the table? You know, like, and she told him, I don't know, I don't know if I put this clip in here, but she's like, listen, what did you do to get banned? Cause like, I know it's really hard. He's like, oh, how do you know that? She's like, cause I've been banned off of motherless. And she's got this whole conspiratorial kind of like, you know?

• 2:02:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Which spoiler alert is not the case.

• 2:02:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  Absolutely not.

• 2:02:10Derrick Levasseur?

  But she's done her research about motherless clearly because she knows the TOS for that website and she knows what's on there and how difficult it is to get banned. So she was quick with it. Oh, how did you get banned? That's tough to do. And by the way, if I had access to everything, more than likely she already knows his screen name, knows he got banned and knows what he got banned for because maybe she's already gotten a warrant from motherless where she had the access to see why they were banned. This, again, I might be giving her too much credit, but she may already have the answers to these questions.

• 2:02:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  But he didn't get banned. He's just lying. Yeah. He's trying to make it seem like I haven't been on there in forever. He's like, listen.

• 2:02:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, she has access to his account. We'll put it that way.

• 2:02:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he's gonna say later, like, you know, I used to be into that kind of stuff, but then my wife almost died, you know? And you come face to face with that, like that kind of stuff seems less.

• 2:02:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Changes the man.

• 2:03:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  Uh, you know, appealing. And she's trying to pull things out of him. Here's how I know he's not feeling as confident because remember at the beginning, he's like, well, why don't you tell me? Because you wouldn't know that. You wouldn't be asking me if you didn't know. But now she's like, we know you talked to our victim or she was into those same things and, and, and we think you may have talked to her. And he's like, what's your screen name? And she's like, why does that matter? And he's like, well, cause if I talked to her, I'd know her by screen name. Instead of saying to them, like he would have at the beginning, well, you must already know that I've talked to her because you wouldn't be asking me this if you didn't. So now he's trying to seem real like lamb in the woods, right? Like, well, what's your, I talked to a lot of people, talked to a lot of people online. He's not doing the same like, hey, if you're not gonna directly ask me questions,

• 2:03:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm not gonna directly answer. He has no confidence, no swagger anymore. And now he's trying to seem almost like, oh, that stuff on motherless, it gets real bad, you know, real bad. I mean, I enjoyed it, but some of it goes too far. He's trying to put this like moral high ground.

• 2:03:57Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Well, that's the thing, right? Like every single question she posed to him, he had some cockamamie story about it and an explanation for it from picking her up to this guy Harold, all that. But when she asked him specifically, directly, what are you into? What do you post on there? What is it?

• 2:04:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't feel comfortable talking about that. Yeah.

• 2:04:14Derrick Levasseur?

  I want to respect my privacy because he knows there's no answer he can give that's going to make him look good considering what they're talking about. And I'm sure it would have been something along the lines of tying women up, assaulting them, maybe suicidal ideation.

• 2:04:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not self harm on his part.

• 2:04:31Derrick Levasseur?

  No, but him hurting others.

• 2:04:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Putting harm on others. Yes.

• 2:04:35Derrick Levasseur?

  And so he can't answer it because there's no way to spin that where it's gonna look good. And at this point, he probably realizes they're gonna be able to go back and track my, my postage history.

• 2:04:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  You're over here like, I was looking at that girl's legs, blah, blah, blah. And as soon as you realize what they had, you're like, I have a wife. I'm not interested in other women. It's just ridiculous. So eventually Dwayne Hall was told they knew Sonia had come to the United States to have someone end her life. And they knew that she was with Dwayne. And he continued on denying that she'd been with him at the Airbnb. He was then told they were going to have the house forensically processed. And they were like, you know what we're gonna find? We're gonna find bodily fluids and we're going to be able to distinguish who those fluids belong to and where they came from essentially, right? So they were like, you need to be honest. It's okay. Like if you guys had sex, there's no crime against that. Like, did you have sex? Because we can actually prove that Sonia was there and we can prove that you were there because the neighbors had

• 2:05:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  seen his truck parked there and what was on his truck but a sticker with his business name on it.

• 2:05:32Derrick Levasseur?

  What a dummy.

• 2:05:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  So they're like, we can prove this, right? And Dwayne eventually admitted to having sex with Sonia. Here's how he starts it. He said, the first night, nothing happened. I slept on like a pullout bed, but my back hurts so bad after that night because I have a bad back. So the next night I did sleep in the bed with her and I wasn't planning on anything to happen. I have a wife. I love my wife. She's been sick. I would never do that to her. But Sonia was naked. So like, I'm a man. What was I going to do? So yes, we had sex. And he said, it was pretty vanilla, you know, it was, it's pretty vanilla with him. And yeah, maybe there's been some light choking, but, but outside of that, pretty vanilla. And he said that, yes, after he had sex with her, I think one or two times,

• 2:06:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  you know, he was done. He felt really bad and he was like, ah, why did I do this? And then she kept trying to, to get him to do it again and to get him to be rougher. And he was like, no, I refuse. I'm not gonna do it. You know, and she was mad about it. Sonia was mad about it. So he also said that, yes, he and Sonia had talked in the past about her having her life taken in this way and how she tried and failed before, that she had met up with a few guys in the past who were supposed to have fulfilled her wish, but they'd always backed out or fallen in love with her. And he was asked if Sonia had come to him with the hope that he could follow through with her, AKA alleged wish. And Dwayne said, apparently that was the original plan, but he had ended up telling her it wasn't going to happen. He was then asked if he'd ever recorded any videos of

• 2:06:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Sonia or with Sonia. Like, did you record videos of you having sex? And he was like, God, no. How dare you ask me that? That's crazy. Did you ever record any videos with her? And he said, yes, but I deleted it. Now, in fact, the police had already gotten his phone and they'd already recovered a video that Dwayne had filmed on October 11th. The video was four minutes and 16 seconds long. It was taken inside the Reddick Airbnb and it shows Sonia wearing the same dress she was wearing at the airport the evening of October 10th. So the video has obviously never been released.

• 2:07:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, thank God.

• 2:07:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  But the police records describe Sonia in the video. She looks disheveled. She has multiple abrasions to her face, her neck, her breasts. She was subdued, hesitant, visibly emotional with tears in her eyes, and she never looked up towards the camera. Dwayne deleted the video three seconds after filming it, but the police were able to recover it. In the video, Dwayne Hall asked Sonia how she would want to die and she didn't answer. He asked her, what are you consenting to here today? And she asked him hesitantly if he meant about the way he's talked about killing her. Sonia hesitated a few minutes more before saying stabbed. Dwayne Hall then asked Sonia about the treatment she had received the last day or two. She seemed confused at first and then told him she didn't

• 2:08:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  remember because they had talked about it in so many different ways. Dwayne Hall then asked specifically about Sonia's face and she responded, quote, you've beaten me. He asked her if that is what she asked for. She didn't immediately respond, but then she said, quote, I guess literally speaking, end quote. Dwayne asked Sonia if she was being forced or coerced. She didn't answer, but eventually she shook her head, no. He then asked her if she was happy and getting what she wanted and she nodded. Dwayne Hall said, quote, this is how you want to die, right? You want to be beaten and made to suffer because you're such a piece of shit, end quote. Sonia agreed and repeated what he said. When Dwayne Hall asked Sonia why she wanted to die, she said, quote, because I'm an awful person because I've crushed everyone who ever loved me, end quote. Dwayne Hall was

• 2:09:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  asked about why Sonia looked so subdued and unhappy during this video. Cause the police are like, yeah, we found this video. Well, they didn't at first say they found the video. I'm, I'm getting ahead of myself. They said, what was she like in this video that you took? And, and, and he said, you know, hopefully you can see for yourself. You say you can get the video and you can see for yourself. But yeah, I mean, she wasn't, she wasn't acting like very happy. I don't know what her problem was.

• 2:09:22Speaker 07

  I asked her, I was, I told her, I told her that I, I wanted to, I wanted her to tell me what it was that she was there for.

• 2:09:31Speaker 07

  Okay. And I wanted her to go in detail and she basically just kind of locked up on everything. And I ended up deleting it because it was absolutely no use to me.

• 2:09:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay.

• 2:09:44Speaker 07

  Like, you know, in case something like this happened, I could just be here. Yeah, you know?

• 2:09:50Speaker 05

  What'd you record it on?

• 2:09:51Speaker 07

  Phone. And it's not, it's not, it's not on there anymore.

• 2:09:54Speaker 05

  It's not on there?

• 2:09:55Speaker 07

  No, I deleted it. I mean, obviously you say that it can be.

• 2:09:58Speaker 05

  We can try. That's why.

• 2:09:59Speaker 07

  You can recover whatever.

• 2:10:01Speaker 05

  That's what I'm, that's why I'm asking. So, but she didn't say, she didn't respond to you when you asked her?

• 2:10:05Speaker 07

  She, she was.

• 2:10:09Speaker 07

  Not.

• 2:10:12Speaker 07

  Not responsive very much. I don't know what the problem was in that regard. I think she was, I think she was just disappointed because I didn't want her.

• 2:10:25Speaker 07

  I didn't want her.

• 2:10:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:10:27Speaker 07

  You know?

• 2:10:29Speaker 02

  When was that video taken?

• 2:10:33Speaker 07

  You're asking the wrong question. I don't, I don't know. That was, that was when she was here.

• 2:10:39Speaker 02

  Was it at the beginning of the trip, at the end of the trip?

• 2:10:43Speaker 07

  About halfway through. Yeah, we were, we think we were. We were in that B and B.

• 2:10:48Speaker 05

  Okay, that's what I'm asking. Did she do it in the airport in the car? You know what I mean? That's why I'm.

• 2:10:52Speaker 07

  No, we hardly even had any conversation. If it would have been, if I was actually gonna be the one finalize all that shit.

• 2:11:01Speaker 07

  And I can say this honestly, because I had considered it before, because I'm not about, okay, look, I had a very bad past. And the last thing I wanted to do is have that to come back to haunt me in any way, shape or form. So getting blood on my hands, I will say it again, is not something that I intended to do outside of a life and death circumstance. So if it would have been me, I would have took her down to Alligator Alley and dropped her off. And told her, pick a direction and walk.

• 2:11:31Speaker 07

  Because if you don't want to do it yourself, and I don't want to do it, go to the wildlife. We have a ton of that here in Florida.

• 2:11:39Speaker 02

  It's not particularly violent though, so it doesn't really feed into how she wanted it to happen?

• 2:11:44Speaker 07

  It could have. I could have very well accommodated her on that end of it, at the very end of it, and then just sent her off in the days into the zone.

• 2:11:52Speaker 07

  See?

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:53Speaker 07

  But like I said, that was before.

• 2:11:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:56Speaker 07

  Before my wife damn near died and my priorities shifted in a very unexpected way.

• 2:12:03Speaker 05

  Did you call it Alligator Alley?

• 2:12:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:12:05Speaker 05

  Where's that, where was that?

• 2:12:07Speaker 07

  You know where that's at? It's south of here.

• 2:12:09Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:12:10Speaker 07

  It's, it's, it's the Everglades.

• 2:12:12Speaker 05

  Oh, okay. You're talking about the Everglades?

• 2:12:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, Alligator Alley. They call it Alligator Alley.

• 2:12:17Speaker 05

  I honestly haven't heard of that. What? Sorry.

• 2:12:20Speaker 07

  It's even on the map. It's Alligator Alley.

• 2:12:23Speaker 02

  You could have helped her along with the violent part of it because she wanted to die violently. How would, how would you have done that?

• 2:12:29Speaker 07

  I got to my ends.

• 2:12:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, if that's what she really wanted, I could have accommodated it at one point before my priorities completely shifted.

• 2:12:42Speaker 07

  Really, this like, I had seen it coming for a long time, whereas a violent thing, it seemed it was slightly heavy.

• 2:12:52Speaker 07

  And then my wife getting so bad, it just killed it. I literally have zero interest in anything like that anymore.

• 2:13:01Speaker 07

  I used to.

• 2:13:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:03Speaker 07

  It does something to you when you take your wife into the hospital and you come from that generation, people don't come home from the hospital.

• 2:13:14Speaker 07

  It makes you up.

• 2:13:17Speaker 07

  It makes you up. It makes you try to appreciate everything you have. But the rest of that, Harold, him and the different vehicles and going and doing the maintenance on the vehicles and the sexy ass vehicles and the rat rod. Yeah. That shit was real. That shit was real. And she did get into a different vehicle.

• 2:13:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  So we have a lot going on here and he's, he's confusing. He's still denying that he's the last person to see her, right? He's still saying, if you do recover that video and she seems unhappy, it's because I didn't want her. She was mad because I didn't want her. And then I didn't see her, you know, after that happened, she got in the car with Harold, she drove off. But like, I could have helped her if she really wanted to die and I wasn't gonna do it because I'm not getting blood on my hands again. He said, I'm not getting blood on my hands again. I don't know if you caught that?

• 2:14:06Derrick Levasseur?

  I did.

• 2:14:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  What the hell does that mean, right? So I'm not getting blood on my hands again. I wasn't gonna do that. I would have just dropped her off at Alligator Alley. And then Agent McKenzie is like, yeah, but that's not violent, the way she, she would have wanted it. And he says, well, I could have been.

• 2:14:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Could have been.

• 2:14:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know, I could have accommodated her on that. She's like, what do you mean? Well, I got two hands. So he's basically saying, I could beat the shit out of her and then send her down Alligator Alley to let the alligators do the work. Because then I'm not killing her. He's like, but that was, that was the old me. Yeah, before my wife was sick, I, I had these violent tendencies and they were getting out of control. I could feel it. I could feel them growing in me. But after my wife died, you know, when you come face to face and he starts crying, he's all upset. When you come face to face with that, well, it changes a man. Changes a man, you know? But, but yeah, but old me, I could have, I could have beat the shit out of her and sent her off to die, but new me, no, no, no, no. Could never do that, right? And it's very confusing, the way he's kind of going back and forth.

• 2:14:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, because at this point, he doesn't know the video has him saying, you want me to kill you this way because you're a piece of shit?

• 2:15:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  I filmed the video in case something like this would happen.

• 2:15:05Derrick Levasseur?

  But in the video, he's not turning her down. He's saying, hey, you wanted me to do this.

• 2:15:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  He was saying, like, if you see the video, I filmed that, like, in case, but I never did end up doing anything.

• 2:15:14Derrick Levasseur?

  But he's saying something changed with his wife, but what changed in the hours that you were with her when you recorded that video where you're saying, I just beat the shit out of you?

• 2:15:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Exactly.

• 2:15:23Derrick Levasseur?

  So it's like, nothing changed. You recorded the video. You, you're admitting to beating her up.

• 2:15:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Exactly. But he still is saying, no, no, no, not me. Now, there's a lot to discuss here, right, as we go on in the series. As far as the conversation of Sonia, obviously flying to Florida of her own free will, right? Getting into Dwayne Hall's Jeep of her own free will after having conversations about what was supposed to have happened that weekend, right?

• 2:15:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Very well planned out.

• 2:15:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  There's a lot of conversations. He didn't go and kidnap her. He didn't force her to fly from a different country.

• 2:15:57Derrick Levasseur?

  Didn't lure her there under some false pretense.

• 2:15:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think it's very clear, this man's been arrested. He goes to trial in November. This is the defense he's going to try to use, right? This is the defense he's going to try to use. She wanted it. This is what she wanted. However, what we also know is that the same night that Dwayne Hall recorded this video of Sonia, she sent a friend some messages on Discord. And these messages inferred that, yes, Sonia had gone there to Florida and she'd met up with Dwayne Hall based on this agreed upon plan. But at some point, she changed her mind and she wanted out. But at this time, she realized there was no way out. And we're going to read those messages. We also need to talk about the fact that although this has not gone to trial yet, there's a lot of evidence that Dwayne Hall was not the only person

• 2:16:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  who knew about what was happening with Sonia. Or I think with others, because when he's talking, he's like, what if they do this? What if they lure women here and kill them? I personally think he's talking from experience. And I think he has worked with other people to do just that.

• 2:17:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  And that's why he's talking about not getting blood on his hands again. And I think that was a slip.

• 2:17:04Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I think you might be right. I mean, overall, maybe in the past, the targets that he kind of groomed into coming out there were people who didn't have connections at home. So there wasn't anybody looking for him.

• 2:17:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  But they kind of try to make it seem like when Sonia's talking to her sister and she's like, there's this network of men and they're luring women out there, that it was kind of a cover. Like, oh, I am doing this stuff and I kind of want to show somebody, but I don't want you to think I'm doing this of my own free will. I want you to think I'm like on to this big story. And I think that both things can be true. So at some point, I have to wonder, was Sonia actually on to something when she told her sisters there was a network of men in the United States that lured women there to torture and kill them? Can it kind of be like, both things can be true at once? She knew about this network because she'd been investigating them. And yes, maybe initially she wanted to try and use that to accomplish her goal. Because depression is a tricky thing, right?

• 2:17:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  Having these thoughts of harming yourself, feeling inadequate, feeling like you hurt everybody, so it's better if you're not there. It's a very tricky thing. We can't really understand exactly what was going on in her head. But maybe she was aware of this network and that's why she went there to utilize this network. But that still means that there's a network that exists. And Dwayne Hall is just a part of it.

• 2:18:21Derrick Levasseur?

  And as far as this case specifically, there could have been, I'm gonna use the word fetish, but like, or desire, an ideation to die this way on the part of Sonia. But let's not downplay the fact that Dwayne had a fetish as well, an ideation of killing others. And so they were both accomplishing something that they wanted. And what more than likely happened, and we'll talk about it in the next episode and really break it down. But it's that they both went there under those intentions, right, with that agenda. One person wanted to back out, but in Dwayne's mind, he was already committed. And there was no way he was gonna not do what he wanted to do. That was what his ideation was and he didn't change his mind. So that's where I'm leaning right now, but we're gonna have to see the, the details for sure.

• 2:19:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I also want to be very clear, even if Sonia willingly and voluntarily went there, what he did is still murder.

• 2:19:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, oh yeah. Even if there's a video of her saying, hey, he's about to kill me, I want him to do this. The assisted suicide laws, they're not everywhere, first and foremost. I don't know where they are in Florida. We'll get, get into that. But I know most of them, if not all of them, is only even applicable if someone has a terminal prognosis and it's within like a certain amount of months of their life ending.

• 2:19:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm sure none of those laws include, yeah, it's absolutely okay to violently beat the shit out of somebody and torture somebody before you do this, right? It's usually a, a more humane method, if, if there is any kind of support for those laws. So for him to sit there and at any point, which I think will be his defense, I did this because she wanted to. No, you did this because it's what you wanted. It fulfilled your fetish. It fulfilled your fantasy. And no point, I mean, we talked about it, she, she had a flight home in case she backed out, I think.

• 2:20:01Derrick Levasseur?

  So there was clearly already something in the back of her mind, like, hey, I'm, I'm setting up a parachute.

• 2:20:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  She sent a message to a friend and in those messages, it was, it was clear she changed her mind.

• 2:20:10Derrick Levasseur?

  And we're gonna go over those messages?

• 2:20:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  And we're gonna go over those messages, yeah.

• 2:20:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, no, I'm looking forward to getting into it. And the big question, and I'm sure you're gonna get to it, is where's Sonia? Because that could answer a lot of questions for us. I don't know if she was found or not. I want to know more details. There's definitely a lot more here. And so I am looking forward to getting into part two and trying to get some of those details, including the Discord message. And also whether or not Sonia was ever found, because as Dwayne kind of alluded to in this episode, Florida has a lot of wildlife, a lot of places where someone can disappear and they're never found again, a lot of swamp areas. So looking forward to hearing how this case develops and I can understand why you wanted to cover it. The video is also incredibly helpful because it gives you a firsthand perspective of some of the people out there. And as you said, and this is a tough way to end this episode, but this is not an isolated incident.

• 2:20:57Derrick Levasseur?

  There's other people out there like Dwayne and entire networks doing it. So this is a much bigger issue than just Dwayne. So we're gonna get into it. We're gonna talk about it next week. And if this episode doesn't prove it, please, everyone, stay safe out there and we'll see you soon.

• 2:21:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bye. See you next week.