Harmony Montgomery | The U-Haul, the Freezer, and the Final Cover-Up (Part 3)

In October of 2021, the body of five-year-old Elijah Lewis was found buried in a Massachusetts park. And when Crystal Sorey heard what had happened to that little boy, something inside her panicked- because she had been trying, for months, to get people to listen to her about her own missing child. Her daughter, Harmony Montgomery. Harmony was supposed to be in first grade. She was supposed to be wearing her glasses. She was supposed to be getting medical care for the condition that left her blind in one eye. She was supposed to be protected. Instead, by the time anyone officially started looking for her, Harmony had not been seen in two years. Harmony did not disappear from a life where everything seemed fine. She disappeared after years of warning signs, reports, custody battles, missed appointments, police calls, allegations of abuse, unstable homes, substance abuse, homelessness, and adults pointing fingers at every other adult in the room. Her mother failed her. Her father failed her. Her stepmother failed her. The courts failed her. Child protective services failed her. The systems built specifically to catch a little girl before she fell through the cracks watched those cracks open wider and wider. This was a child who had already spent so much of her tiny life being moved from place to place, plan to plan, home to home. A child with medical needs. A child with a little brother who loved her, missed her, and kept looking for her at playgrounds because he believed, the way children do, that if he looked hard enough, maybe she would just be there. But Harmony wasn’t there. And for years, the people responsible for knowing where she was, and making sure she was safe and cared for, simply didn’t.

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• 0:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:14Derrick Levasseur?

  And I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 0:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  So today, we are diving into Harmony Montgomery, Part Three. And I'm just going to kind of give a quick little reminder of where we were at when we left off at the end of last episode. It was a very hard episode.

• 0:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 0:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Admittedly, that we that we had last week. We went through what happened to Harmony, according to Kayla Montgomery, at the hands of Adam Montgomery. And then, basically, some of the moves that Adam and Kayla made after Harmony's death to hide and conceal her body until, I guess, they figured out what to do. And when we last left off, they were in the FIT Shelter, the Family in Transitions Shelter in Manchester. And at that time, they were storing Harmony's body in kind of like a gym bag, and then...

• 1:04Derrick Levasseur?

  The canvas, then the canvas bag.

• 1:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then the canvas bag, yes. And that was being kept in the ceiling of their room at the FIT Shelter. So while Adam, Kayla, and their two sons were still living at the FIT Shelter in Manchester, while Harmony's body was still being stored in the ceiling of their room there, DCYF in New Hampshire received an anonymous report. So this is crazy. While they're living at the FIT Shelter after Harmony is dead, and her body's there, DCYF gets a call about them. And this report came in on January 7, 2020. And the reporter expressed concerns that Adam and Kayla were using drugs in front of their children. So DCYF requested that the Manchester Police perform a welfare check at the FIT Shelter,

• 1:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  which happened on the evening of January 7. Officers located Adam, Kayla, and their two young biological sons. They did not see any immediate overt signs of severe danger or an emergency that legally allowed them to remove the children or make arrests on the spot.

• 2:04Derrick Levasseur?

  And this, this is something that happens. I've been to these calls numerous times where it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. You get a report of something, you walk in there, and... Unfortunately, the evidence that you need in order to act just isn't there. And there are even cases where I've gone in and it's been, it's been right on the line there. And even then, I don't have the legal right as a sworn officer, unless there's like an immediate danger to remove those children. I have to call out DCYF and then they have to make that determination. So there are a lot of hoops you have to jump through. It's not as simple as, hey, this is not a good environment for these kids. I'm gonna take them.

• 2:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. And I mean, at this point, the police go there, they see the two boys who seem fine. They see Adam and Kayla. They're at a shelter. So they know that the kids at least have like a roof over their heads. And there's other people kind of keeping an eye. But this anonymous hotline report that triggered the check had only mentioned drug use in front of the children. And the call did not explicitly name Harmony. And because the police did not have a manifest list of every child supposed to be in Adam's custody, and because Harmony's name was never brought up by the caller, the responding officers did not realize that a fifth family member was entirely missing. They saw the two boys, deemed the immediate situation stable enough to leave them in the parents'

• 3:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  care, and cleared the call. So this is, to me, once again, one of those administrative things that should be addressed. Because if a police officer is going to visit a family, and that family's been on the radar of DCYF before, and the police are going there to check on the children, and there's no specific children named in the call, the police should do a check with DCYF beforehand, and be like, hey, or DCYF calls the police and says, hey, can you check on this family? These are the children that are in their care. Make sure all three of these children are okay.

• 4:01Derrick Levasseur?

  No, I agree. If DCYF makes the call, they have to inform you of the, of the information, like, give you some context. On the other hand, realistically, police officers are responding to well-being checks daily. The break in the chain here is there's not one internal database where an officer can type in an address or type in a person and find out if they've ever had contact with DCYF. Only way to do that would be for the police officer to

• 4:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, but I don't, I don't think the police did anything wrong. DCYF got the call. DCYF called the police and said, can you check on this family?

• 4:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. So you're saying at that point they have to, yeah, they have to inform.

• 4:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  To give them the information they need.

• 4:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, I agree with that. No, they have to give them the context behind it. Hey, can you go check? Here's, here's who you may encounter. Even though this wasn't the issue here, I, what I was going to say is there should be a point where there would be like an internal system that police officers, if responding to an address, kind of like IMC or like NCIC, where if you run someone, it comes up with a warrant. It would be great if, when a police officer checks someone's name. So when he checked Adam Montgomery's name and, and logged it, something would pop up and say, hey, there's a case file attached to this with DCYF. Maybe give them a call, right? And then I can step outside with my cell phone and say, hey, we just responded to this address for a wellbeing check. I'm seeing in my internal systems that there's maybe something going on with you guys.

• 5:21Derrick Levasseur?

  I don't have access to see it for privacy reasons, but can you inform me what's going on so that I know I'm dotting my i's and crossing my t's here? That would be convenient.

• 5:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I agree. And you might not say, you might say like, oh, well, you can't have a database with these kids' names. They're minors. DCYF has a lot of those records like sealed, you know, so that's fine.

• 5:39Derrick Levasseur?

  The records are fine, but maybe just the names? What do you think about that?

• 5:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. Or, or a flag where it's like, contact DCF for specifics.

• 5:46Derrick Levasseur?

  That's what I'm saying. Like if, if you pop someone's name in there, one of those parents or one of the kids, something pops up on my screen that says, hey, contact DCYF caseworker Stephanie Harlow.

• 5:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  But this, in this case, the caseworker would be Demetrius Toros.

• 5:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, man, we're doomed.

• 6:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  And that's where the true failure happened the following morning, when DCYF caseworker, Demetrius Toros, followed up on the police check. So remember, DCYF's getting the call. DCYF calls the police. The police go there. Seems like everything's fine. Demetrius Toros now is going to do a follow-up. He didn't go to the shelter. He didn't go and see them himself. He called Adam Montgomery on January 8th, 2020. And he was like, hey, Adam, what's up, buddy? Everything okay over there? And Adam confirmed the police had been there. And then Demetrius Toros asked if he could stop by the shelter. And see the family. He asked like he wanted to get permission from Adam to go and do his job.

• 6:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, at that point, Adam told Toros that his family had been evicted from the Guilford Street House and because they were going to be homeless, he had made the decision that Harmony should go and live with her mother. So Adam's like, yeah, you can come, I guess, but like, we're homeless and Harmony's not even with us anymore because of the homeless thing. I sent her back to live with her mother. Now, did Toros ask if a legal custody arrangement had been made to support this change? Because, you know, Adam Montgomery has full custody of Harmony, technically, just like when Crystal Sorey let Harmony go and spend the night with Adam and DCYF was like, you can't

• 7:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  do that. Yeah. Because you are the sole legal guardian of Harmony right now and you can't just let her go and be with anyone else. And the fact, and with Adam being her main legal custodian and DCYF not really being involved anymore, I guess that it would have been fine, but because Harmony had been removed from Crystal's care before, this was still something Adam should have talked to DCYF about, or made arrangements about, or notified someone of. So did Demetrius Toros ask if that's what happened? No. Did he call Crystal Sorey to verify that Harmony was with her? Yes, technically, but not until 12 days later on January 20th, at which point he left a

• 8:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  voicemail and he never followed up on that voicemail. Okay, so Adam says, yeah, I know the last time you saw us, it was because I was being accused of beating Harmony and doing horrible things to her, but she's not with me anymore. She's with her mother. And Demetrius Toros is like, okay. And like roughly two weeks after he talks to Adam, he calls Crystal to confirm this, but he never spoke to Crystal. Crystal never confirmed this to him and that was it. He never did anything else.

• 8:27Derrick Levasseur?

  12 days later. That's the big thing here. 12 days later. Why not a call that day?

• 8:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know.

• 8:33Derrick Levasseur?

  What are we doing?

• 8:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  And nothing would ever happen, by the way, to Demetrius Torres for the major role he played in what happened to Harmony. He left DCYF quietly in September of 2021. He started working for the US Postal Service. So basically, really roughly like four or five months before the police started searching for Harmony, Demetrius Torres was already out of DCYF. So really, nothing ever happened to him.

• 9:00Derrick Levasseur?

  And the crazy part is, and this goes for police officers and attorneys, right? This wasn't the only case that he was working. And so you have to imagine, it'd be safe to assume that this type of behavior, this just incompetence, borderline criminal, was being applied to numerous cases, just like Harmony's, where Demetrius was in charge of their well-being and failed them as well. It may not have resulted in their death.

• 9:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Luckily, yeah.

• 9:31Derrick Levasseur?

  But you have to imagine that the horrific situations that these kids were put through because Demetrius wasn't doing his job.

• 9:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mm-hmm. I agree.

• 9:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Allegedly, in my opinion.

• 9:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's not just your opinion. I mean,

• 9:42Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, that's my belief.

• 9:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  We'll talk about, you know, different civil lawsuits that happened afterwards.

• 9:47Derrick Levasseur?

  No, the guy's an absolute scumbag. There's no doubt about it. Like, I have some other things I'd like to say, but I like my job and I don't want to get sued, so I won't. But, but you guys all know what I'm thinking, because you're thinking the same thing.

• 10:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  The fact of the matter is, if the first time he'd been called to the Guilford Street House to check on Harmony because she had a black eye in July of 2019, if that had happened and he'd done his job, which was to physically lay eyes on her, he would have seen the black eye that day.

• 10:15Derrick Levasseur?

  He'd be alive.

• 10:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  But instead, he, yeah, he let Adam leave with her.

• 10:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 10:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  And, and if he had done his job and removed Harmony from her father's care on that day, Harmony would be alive.

• 10:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Not a stretch. Not hyperbole. If he had intervened, there's that fork in the road, right?

• 10:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not even intervened, done his job.

• 10:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Done his job.

• 10:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  Let's not act like this is like a good Samaritan walking by and he has a choice and it's not his job and it's not really his responsibility and he's like going to intervene. This was Demetrius Torres's Basically, when they say that's your one job, yes, that's your one job.

• 10:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that his job would be to intervene, right? Like, hey, listen, you have her, but I'm intervening. You're no longer going to have her. I'm taking her back. I'm putting her back with Crystal, whoever. And we got to get her in a good situation or give them back to Michelle and Tim, who, from everything we know, they were doing a great job.

• 11:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, the Harmony's foster parents, and they wanted to adopt her, right? And you know who else wanted to adopt Harmony? The same couple who, and we'll talk a little bit more about them in the final part next week, but the same couple who adopted her brother Jameson, because when they adopted her brother Jameson, Jameson started talking about Harmony because he missed her.

• 11:19Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 11:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he was like, I miss my sister, blah, blah, blah. And they were going through this whole thing. And that couple was, you know, attempting to try to figure out how they could also adopt Harmony to bring her home to her brother Jameson, who really missed her. So there was people who wanted her. Now, at some point, people at the fit shelter were starting to complain about the smell. And maintenance was being called to check on the room that Adam, Kayla, and their two sons were living in. And at this time, Adam was working at a restaurant called The Portland Pie Company. And Kayla testified that she pushed her two sons in a stroller to that restaurant while the bag containing Harmony's body sat between them. She did this at Adam's request because he wanted to keep Harmony's body in the walk-in freezer there, which he did for about a week.

• 12:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  So an employee at The Portland Pie Company, Cameron Gibney, recalled seeing a CMC canvas bag in the cooler on a few occasions, both on the floor and on a shelf. But she never questioned Adam about it because she knew that he had children. So this was like a maternity hospital bag. And so she was probably like, oh, he's maybe keeping his lunch in there. I don't know. But Gibney testified that she had seen Adam bringing the bag in, and she had only ever seen him handling it. In February of 2020, Adam, Kayla, and the boys were getting ready to move to an apartment located at 644 Union Street in Manchester. And they were most likely able to secure an apartment at this time because their tax refunds had come in.

• 12:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  And it should be no surprise to anyone that Adam and Kayla had claimed Harmony on their 2019 taxes, which would come back to you at the beginning of 2020.

• 12:53Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 12:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, according to Kayla, because she was asked about this during the trial, why would, why would you do that? You knew that Harmony was dead. Kayla said this was because Harmony had lived with them for six months during that year and also because Adam told her they were claiming Harmony, so she just went along with it. You know, he was like, "That's what we're doing. She lived with us for six months, so legally we can." And so she, she went ahead and did that. So they moved into the new apartment on February 20th, 2020. And at that time, the CNC canvas bag was brought from the walk-in freezer at the restaurant to the new apartment where Adam put Harmony's body in the refrigerator there.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  And I asked you earlier, and I think you said, he began to discuss dismembering Harmony?

• 13:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  What did he say about dismembering her?

• 13:43Speaker 03

  That he, that he just wanted to put her, and he would put her in pieces to get rid of her.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  And was that at the Union Street apartment?

• 14:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Did he ever discuss using tools on Harmony with you?

• 14:06Speaker 03

  He said that he was gonna try and use, um, a saw. He wanted to use a hand saw.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Or a NutriBullet.

• 14:20Speaker 04

  And I didn't hear that last word, I'm sorry.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  And a NutriBullet?

• 14:26Speaker 03

  NutriBullet? It's like a blender, um, that you can make smoothies in, or any kind of puree food item. He said that it would be good to use. It would help get rid of her.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  It'd help get rid of Harmony?

• 14:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:51Derrick Levasseur?

  That's disturbing. This guy is just the absolute bottom of the barrel, Adam I'm referring to. I want to make sure that the blame is at the feet of the person responsible, but man, it is really hard to listen to her describe this and basically hide behind this, the ignorance, or I guess being complicit, like she's somehow a victim here as well. I mean, all of these details. I mean, we shouldn't even have gotten to this point, but... Being next to Harmony in the car and hearing the details about how they're gonna, how he's going to dispose of her body. At what point do you say, "I gotta let someone know." This guy's not only a killer, but he's-

• 15:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's insane.

• 15:30Derrick Levasseur?

  He's insane. Like, I have to make sure I get away from him and let other people know that he's out there. Like, yeah, I'm glad-

• 15:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  You've got kids. You've got kids with him, man.

• 15:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes.

• 15:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  So you're thinking, "He can do this to his biological child."

• 15:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, yes.

• 15:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  So he could do that to his other biological children, which are also my children.

• 15:47Derrick Levasseur?

  And I understand that she is critical to this case, right? Because she's the only other adult present. She knows where all the bodies are buried, literally, right? Unfortunately, this is the world we live in, where in order to get Adam, you have to give her a deal, because without her testimony, you don't get Adam.

• 16:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I agree. You have to make a deal with the devil, but also, she's a devil.

• 16:11Derrick Levasseur?

  No, no doubt. We're not gonna, we're not gonna frame her as a hero here. Absolutely not.

• 16:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  She was complicit, and she basically helped him. The reason she knows that he did all of these things is because she helped him.

• 16:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Absolutely.

• 16:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  She pushed a stroller, so I would assume that Adam's at work at this point, right? Because Cameron Gibney said, "I saw Adam come in with the bag, and he was the only one I saw handle it in the restaurant." But Kayla testified that she took the CNC tote bag from the fit shelter, put it in the stroller between her other two sons, which is horrifying to think about in general, and pushed it to the restaurant, so that he could now take it and put it in the walk-in freezer. Once again, you had chances here. You could have pushed it to the police station, bitch. You could have called somebody. You could have gotten help. All right, but that is not what she did. So, here we are. She's horrendous. So I suppose, though, after further thought, Adam decided the whole hand saw and Nutribullet plan

• 17:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  was kind of half-baked, so he came up with another idea. He told Kayla that using lime would help Harmony's body decay, so he got some lime, and he took the CNC bag out of the refrigerator and brought it to the bathroom, where he dumped the bag containing Harmony's body into the shower.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Adam was trying to de-thaw her body.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  What was he doing specifically?

• 17:33Speaker 03

  Taking the clothes off of her, putting her in the bag of lime.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  And when he was trying to de-thaw her body, where was Harmony's body at the time?

• 17:48Speaker 03

  In the bathtub.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  Did you see Harmony's body in the bathtub?

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  I want you to tell the jurors what you saw of her body in that bathtub.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  I saw Harmony in the bathtub, still folded together the same way that she was left in that bag when we took her out of the car. And she just looked like she had

• 18:23Speaker 03

  just barely any skin, like she was just a layer of skin and bone.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  And

• 18:33Speaker 03

  she was all bruised up. He had the hot water running from the shower.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Was the hot water touching her?

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  He was running it over her?

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  And what was he doing to Harmony's body during this process?

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Taking the clothes off of her.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Was he touching her at all during that process?

• 19:00Speaker 03

  Yes. He

• 19:04Speaker 03

  was cutting the clothes off of her and just de-thawing her.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  Did he tell you to help him at some point?

• 19:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  Did you obey him?

• 19:20Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  Why?

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Because I was scared. I helped him

• 19:29Speaker 03

  take the clothes off of her by cutting them with scissors.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  What did he do with her body after he cut the clothes off of her?

• 19:38Speaker 03

  Put her in the bag

• 19:41Speaker 03

  of lime.

• 19:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  So, uh, let's take a shot every time Kayla Montgomery says, uh, that after she did something absolutely horrendous, that the reason she did it was because she was scared. We should just take a shot every time that happens. But there's a lot to talk about in that clip. Let's take a quick break, give ourselves some time to collect our thoughts and we'll be right back.

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• 22:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is what Kayla is saying. This is at the, the, in the bathroom of the apartment that they went to after the fit shelter. So basically when they're at the field fit shelter, Kayla brings Harmony's body to the restaurant. It's kept in the walk-in freezer there. So obviously it's pretty frozen. And then when they moved to the new apartment, they bring the bag from the walk-in freezer of the restaurant to the new apartment. Adam puts it in the refrigerator there. And so pretty shortly after that, I would assume this is when this whole bathtub thing, which once again, this is just horrific to think about. So it's not that you just killed your daughter. You didn't just stuff her into a bag because Kayla said when she came out of the bag, she was folded like she was when she went into the bag.

• 23:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  But now you're like actually tampering with her remains. I just don't see how any person could do that.

• 23:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Committing a crime, by the way.

• 23:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Even with an adult, yes, committing a crime, but even with an adult who's not related to you, you know, we've heard about people do this, like, oh, they kill someone and then they have to do stuff to the remains to make it easier to hide. How could you do that to a child, much less your child? I don't understand. And Kayla's admitting and acknowledging, yeah, I helped. I helped him do this because he told me to because I was scared.

• 24:02Derrick Levasseur?

  The whole thing is, is disgusting and.

• 24:06Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm not gonna repeat everything you just said because you nailed it. I, the only piece, the only piece, and it's small and it's just kinda like grasping at straws here, is that I keep reminding myself that Harmony didn't feel anything. Harmony was gone. She was in a better place and we still have to talk about it, but she wasn't, she wasn't suffering at this point. And that's the only way I can listen to this and not punch a hole through my camera. So that's, that's where I'm at on this, but I just, I don't wanna be a broken record, but Kayla wasn't just sitting there in the background. She was actually assisting. And it's just, it's, yeah.

• 24:49Derrick Levasseur?

  I get it. I totally get it and I understand. And if you told me today, we gotta give her a deal to get him, I would say yes. But man, it doesn't make me feel good. It doesn't make me feel good.

• 25:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't even know how this person is like, I gotta say, if I was involved in a situation like this, I don't know how I'm gonna continue on, like, living. You know what I mean?

• 25:10Derrick Levasseur?

  No, I'm with you.

• 25:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's gonna mess with you.

• 25:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 25:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  And like, at this point, I didn't show you this part of her testimony, but when she starts testifying, she testified for like two or three days straight. They ask her, you know, you were on drugs. She's like, yeah. And you're clean now. And she's like, yeah. This is a reason to stay on drugs at this point because I don't know how you go on with a sober mind after doing something like this. I would see it every time I closed my eyes.

• 25:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Maybe we just send letters to every one of the prisoners that Adam's gonna be in prison with eventually and let them know what he did.

• 25:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  They should know.

• 25:43Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm joking. Oh, they will know, Stephanie. They will know. And I'll tell you what, cuz a little inside baseball here, the correctional officers there will make sure everyone knows because they'll be referring to him as baby killer his entire time in prison. Like, I totally respect him going after this technicality because he knows that if he stays in prison, it's not gonna end well for him. He could be tough with a little girl. He ain't gonna be tough with these prisoners, especially ones that have nothing to lose.

• 26:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think we should actually have them play this series. At the prison in the common area.

• 26:15Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that'd be great. I'd, I, listen, take the, take the ads out of it. It just keep, we're gonna let, for free consumption.

• 26:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, we, we will give it to the prison, because you know, I'm sure they're probably sick of like what they have.

• 26:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that same TV channel.

• 26:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, yeah, the same TV channel, Walker Texas Ranger, over and over again.

• 26:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 26:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Here you go.

• 26:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Let's change it up a little bit.

• 26:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Some crime weekly. Alright, so Kayla said at some point she left the bathroom. She was asked why? And she said, "Well, because I had to check on the kids." And then she pauses and she's like, "And also because I just couldn't be in there anymore. You know, it was just too hard." Uh, she said Adam remained in the bathroom with Harmony's body for several hours. He never left the bathroom. He never had to even take a break. And like, uh, she said at some point he closed the bathroom door. She could hear the water running in the shower, because he's running the water over Harmony's body to, um, de-thaw her. And remember Adam had bought some lime. And here's where things get a little sketchy for me. And I think Adam did this intentionally.

• 27:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Kayla, um, was asked, you know, Adam had been talking about dismembering Harmony's body. Did he do that when you were in the bathroom? And Kayla's like, "I don't know. I didn't see it. I wasn't in the bathroom." So it sounds like she was kinda in the bathroom. She helped Adam, uh, remove Harmony's clothing. And then that's when she was like, "Alright, I'm out. I gotta go see the other kids." I think Adam was like, "Go take care of the other kids. Leave the bathroom." He did not want her to see what he did next, and not because he didn't want her to think differently of him or anything, for a different reason. So Kayla was then asked like, "Well, what did you see in the bathroom?" And Kayla said she saw three

• 27:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  large trash bags in the bathroom, each with lime inside of them. So she said she never saw this happen, but she knows that Adam put Harmony's body back into the CNC bag that now had lime inside of it. She said she, she knows that he took Harmony's clothing and the Under Armour duffel bag that remember, they put Harmony's body into when she was dead in the car?

• 28:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 28:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  And they put that, or Adam had put the clothing in the duffel bag, inside one of those trash bags. Okay? And then he told Kayla he intended to throw them away, but not in their trash area. And she doesn't know where he ended up disposing of the garbage bag with the clothes and the duffel bag inside of it. She said that Harmony was put back into the CNC bag with the lime in it. And then Adam put that bag back into the freezer of the apartment. Now, this is interesting to me because during the trial, Kayla was asked to remember her testimony about seeing Adam put Harmony in that same bag at the fit shelter and how she had testified that he had to squeeze Harmony into that bag because her body didn't fit.

• 29:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then Kayla was asked, and this was Adam's attorneys asking her, because they're trying to make her look like a liar. And I do think that she's incorrect about what happened, but I don't think it's because she's lying. I think it's because Adam lied to her. So she was asked by Adam's lawyers, well, how did her body not fit into the CNC bag at the fit shelter, but then at the Union Street apartment? How was Adam able to fit Harmony's body into the CNC bag with like several pounds of lime in it? And Kayla said she doesn't know. Okay? Now, obviously, at the time that Harmony's body was at the fit shelter, from when it was at the Union Street apartment, it wasn't like a ton of time, but there would be more decomposition happening, more fluid loss. There would be a smaller volume of her.

• 29:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  I hate talking about her like this, but a smaller, a smaller volume of her to put into the CNC bag.

• 29:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Correct. Yeah, I mean, you're not, that's the truth with decomposition and over time, the mummification. I mean, it's a long process, but we've seen it before where you have a body that's found 10 years later and it's the size of a baby, even though it was a small child at first. That's just, that's just naturally what happens.

• 30:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Still, though, this was not a year later. It's only...

• 30:15Derrick Levasseur?

  No, but the process happens quickly.

• 30:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, but here's what I think happened, okay? Remember, Kayla said she saw three garbage bags with lime in the bathroom. Now, Adam's defense team is going to seize on this part of Kayla's testimony. They're going to say she's lying because Harmony, plus the lime, all the lime that Adam bought, would never fit into that CNC bag. And I agree. Here's what I think. I think Adam had three large garbage bags with lime in them. And Kayla said that he used one of the bags for the duffel bag and Harmony's clothes. But what if Adam used the other two bags for Harmony's remains? And then he told Kayla that Harmony was still in the CNC bag that he placed in the freezer for the explicit purpose of not wanting Kayla to know exactly where Harmony's body was, or be able to describe the bag the body was in. Because if she does something like this and turn on him, and you're gonna find out,

• 31:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Adam at this point, by the time they're in the Union Street apartment, he's going crazy. He's starting to, according to Kayla, and there's eyewitness testimony and lots of stuff to back it up. He's becoming abusive. He's accusing her every day. He thinks she's talking to the police. He thinks she's telling on him. He thinks that people are following him in vans. He's like destroying the apartment because he thinks there's recorders and cameras hid there. He's this paranoid when they're at the Union Street apartment. He's doing this to Harmony's body when they're at the Union Street apartment. So he doesn't want Kayla at some point to tell the police, well, I saw her in the CNC bag. And then if Harmony's body is found in the CNC bag, well, that's because Kayla, what Kayla said is true. So I think he told Kayla Harmony was in the CNC bag.

• 31:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he put Harmony in those other garbage bags. And then did something with the other garbage bags, whether at that point or later when he gets to the U-Haul, which we're gonna talk about in a minute.

• 31:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I, I don't disagree with you. I think that's a very good theory. And I think it would make sense. It's like the decoy bag, right? I don't know if people have seen the Italian job.

• 32:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, or like the Ocean's Eleven or something like that, yeah.

• 32:07Derrick Levasseur?

  You send out three different Brink's trucks and you don't know which one the merchandise is actually in. Here, he doesn't trust anyone. He's paranoid. And there's certain things that he can't hide from her. But this is one of those areas where he can hide the body in a location that nobody other than himself is aware of. And no body, no homicide. At least that's what he's thinking. Unfortunately for him, he's wrong.

• 32:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, as he, his conviction was overturned, so.

• 32:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, on a technicality, manifesting it, that asshole's going back to prison. With all of this.

• 32:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Manifesting it, yeah.

• 32:38Derrick Levasseur?

  With everything that you've described already, he's done. I mean, this woman is implicating herself. She's putting herself there. It's not hearsay. She witnessed all of this. What would be the incentive?

• 32:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, but she got a deal for her testimony. And if the defense, like, listen, the defense was not good in the first trial. I'm going to be honest with you. If he was smart, he would get new lawyers because they were awful. Not awful, I'm sure lawyers, but in a trial atmosphere, boring, didn't really know the woman who kept questioning Kayla, didn't really know kind of where she was going. She always lost her train of thought. Whereas the prosecutor was very good at questioning. You've heard her question or him question Kayla before. He's good at what he does, whereas Adam's defense lawyer was not so great in a trial atmosphere. But let's say he gets better lawyers. We're good in a trial atmosphere. And they say, well, Kayla implicated herself, yes, but she got a total deal of immunity. And she's along the way, every step of the way, right?

• 33:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  And so if our defense is true, where Adam helped Kayla because he didn't want to break his family apart or lose his other children or whatever, then yeah, his fingerprints would be in the ceiling because he helped Kayla. He was taller than her, so he was the one who put Harmony in the ceiling. But that doesn't mean he killed Harmony. So if they can maybe even make a shadow of a doubt in a jury's mind.

• 33:53Derrick Levasseur?

  I still think with everything you have here, totality of circumstances, his previous history with violence, and then also...

• 34:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  I remember his previous history with violence was the technicality, technically.

• 34:04Derrick Levasseur?

  When you think about the injuries, now she could be making that whole thing up, but if that's, if we had her, we would be able to go back and maybe determine that.

• 34:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  You mean Harmony's body?

• 34:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Harmony's body, yeah, we'd be able to tell from injuries to her skull because even though with decomposition, the last thing to go would be the bones. And so if she had a fracture in her skull, we would be able to see that. And when you look at Adam in these interrogation videos, and this isn't meant as a compliment, but he's, he's a stocky guy, right? It would take a lot of pressure to fracture someone's skull like that, to create that internal bleeding. And I don't know if Kayla would have been able to do that.

• 34:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, Harmony is also five, though. I don't even know if...

• 34:39Derrick Levasseur?

  She's little, but there also could be something else that happened to her, but if I'm a jury member...

• 34:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  She's male nourished, you know?

• 34:45Derrick Levasseur?

  If I'm a jury member, this is just a foregone conclusion. If the same facts are presented... They should both be in prison, but if they both can't be because one, one came forward and is testifying, the other one isn't.

• 34:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and I mean, at that point, a jury member might say, well, Kayla has immunity one way or the other at this point.

• 35:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, someone's going to prison for this.

• 35:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Adam was definitely there, so why should we let him off scot-free?

• 35:06Derrick Levasseur?

  You know what? Bingo. That's the rationale of most rational human beings.

• 35:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  I hope so.

• 35:11Derrick Levasseur?

  That's what they're gonna say. They're gonna go in there and go, oh, someone's going to prison for this. You both ain't walking.

• 35:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  I hope you're right.

• 35:18Derrick Levasseur?

  I hope I am too.

• 35:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Alright, so not long after this, this bathroom shower day, which sounds like an absolute horror movie. Adam and Kayla stayed at the Econo Lodge in Manchester with two other people, Travis Beach and his girlfriend Brittany. So Kayla said that Adam brought the CMC bag with them and put it in the mini fridge in the room, which, that's crazy to me, cuz you can't fit much in the mini fridge in the room, especially when they already have like, stuff in there. And I mean, it's probably, it's a different time and it's the like Econo Lodge, but I know a lot of places you go, they have like, stuff in there, and if you move them, you get charged for it. And you can't just put your stuff in there yourself.

• 35:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  But, um, this is what Kayla said, and there is testimony from Travis's girlfriend Brittany that backs it up. Okay, we'll talk about that in a second. So Adam and Travis had known each other since they were 17. They had lost touch, but then they ran into each other again at the mall food court in the Manchester, New Hampshire mall and reconnected. And then not long after that, in March of 2020, Adam reached out and asked Travis if he could help him with something. Adam wanted to know if Travis could rent him a U-Haul, and Travis agreed.

• 36:27Speaker 05

  I didn't, I didn't hesitate. Um, he's a friend. Um, I wasn't thinking of anything negative. Um, I was at his apartment, I saw everything packed up. Um, I put one and one together, thought it was two, but it wasn't. He needed to move stuff, and I, yeah, that's it.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  And you wanted to help, it sounds like?

• 36:53Speaker 05

  Yes, sir.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  Did you help him, and did you in fact help him rent a U-Haul?

• 37:00Speaker 05

  Not per se myself, um, I got somebody to rent him a U-Haul. So in aspect, yes, sir.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  Okay. And I want you to walk us through that. You said you got someone to rent him a U-Haul?

• 37:14Speaker 05

  Yes, sir.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  Who is that someone that you're referring to?

• 37:16Speaker 05

  Brendan Middleton.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  And the same Brendan Middleton that at that point you'd known for five years?

• 37:23Speaker 05

  Yes, sir. I myself didn't have a license at the time. Um, so I asked Brittany, um, to get the, Brittany Bedard to get the U-Haul. And she couldn't. So we had Brendan Middleton, uh, rent the U-Haul because he's the one that had the license at the time.

• 37:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay. So that was, that was Travis.

• 37:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he seemed like a genius.

• 37:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I have some things to say. I have some things to say about Travis, man.

• 37:51Derrick Levasseur?

  I gotta tell you, man, all these characters, it's bringing me back to my police days.

• 37:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  I believe you.

• 37:55Derrick Levasseur?

  It really does, man.

• 37:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because it's like New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island. It's all the same.

• 38:01Derrick Levasseur?

  It's, I've, I've dealt with a million Adams, man.

• 38:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  And a million Travis's, I'm sure.

• 38:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 38:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I was actually watching Travis's, uh, testimony and I kept laughing and the other people in my office were like, what are you laughing about? You know, because usually I'm not sitting in my office laughing. I'm doing true crime stuff. Nobody's hearing from me. I'm definitely not laughing. If anything, I'm like swearing and getting angry. I was laughing and we're going to take a quick break, but we'll come back and I'll, I'll tell you about Travis. We're about to tell Travis about himself. Okay. We'll be right back.

• 38:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Yay.

• 38:33Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 38:41Derrick Levasseur?

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• 38:44Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 38:55Derrick Levasseur?

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• 39:23Derrick Levasseur?

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• 39:40Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 39:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it's like your brain goes, okay, this is the part where we do the old routine.

• 39:54Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 40:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're back. So Travis is funny because according to Travis, and I don't believe that he's being 100% honest. Do I believe that he knew Adam was transporting the body of his dead daughter in this U-Haul? No. Do I believe that Travis thought it was just innocent and Adam was just moving? No. All right, so Travis is funny because he says he knew Adam since they were 17. Obviously Travis is a drug user as well. He says that they lost touch and then he sees Adam at the mall and all of a sudden. They're best buddies again, to the point where literally, not long after reconnecting, like within a week, maybe, maybe less, Adam's calling Travis and it's like, "Hey buddy, since I was 17 that I haven't seen in years and just reconnected with like three days

• 41:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  ago, I need your help, I need to rent a U-Haul, but I need you to do it for me." Now Travis doesn't have a license, but why does Adam need Travis to rent the U-Haul for Adam? Why doesn't Adam want to do it in his name? Did Travis ever ask him that? I'm sure, but he didn't tell us about it. So Travis doesn't have a license either. So he gets this, this guy who I like to call Brendan middleman, because that's basically what he was at this point.

• 41:59Derrick Levasseur?

  He's the middleman.

• 42:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's Brendan Middleton. Brendan Middleton's got the license, so they're gonna use Brendan's license to rent the U-Haul, and Travis's girlfriend, Brittany Bedard, is going to be the one to pay for it on her credit card. So basically, there is no paper trail at any point to not only Adam Montgomery, but not to Travis either, okay? So Travis is funny because they kept asking him questions. They were like, "Oh, do you know when this call came in from Adam?" Or "When this message came in from Adam?" And they were asking about a different message, and he was, and they were clearly asking him like, "What date?" You know? And he's like, "I think it was early in the day." And they're like, "No, like, when? You know, like around what time of, of the month?" And he's like, "Definitely early in the day."

• 42:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't know if he's purposely answering these questions this way.

• 42:47Derrick Levasseur?

  No, these guys are rocket scientists, I'll tell you that much.

• 42:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, you can tell.

• 42:50Derrick Levasseur?

  It's, it's definitely difficult at certain points to just get basic facts out of someone when they're even trying to tell the truth. It's, it can be daunting.

• 42:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so basically Travis is saying, "I was already at Adam's apartment before he asked to borrow the U-Haul, and I saw that things were packed up in boxes. And so when he asked me for the U-Haul, I just assumed it was innocent because he was moving." Now, he doesn't say that Adam told him he was moving. Travis is saying, "I saw boxes at an apartment, he asked for the U-Haul, thought he needed the U-Haul to move." Now, it's worth mentioning that this is March, right? When did Adam and Kayla and the boys move into the apartment? February.

• 43:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 43:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not moving, right? At least not at that point. They're gonna get evicted later, but they're not moving at that point. So Travis says he thinks Adam's moving out of the apartment. And Adam had also mentioned to Travis that he was having problems with D C Y F. So on the day that he secured the U-Haul for Adam, or Travis, Brittany and Brendan Middleton, they secured the U-Haul for Adam. Travis and his girlfriend got a hotel room at the O'Connell Lodge, and then Adam and Kayla and their kids got a separate room at the same hotel. They have an apartment a few miles down the road. Why are you staying at the hotel that night? So Travis, Brendan Middleton and Brittany went to go get the U-Haul. They returned to the O'Connell Lodge,

• 44:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  and then it was a good time for all involved at that point. You know, now it's a party because you got the U-Haul and now you can just relax.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  And what did you do when you returned to the O'Connell Lodge?

• 44:28Speaker 05

  We did drugs at the, at the O'Connell Lodge. Myself, Brittany Bedard, Adam and Kayla Montgomery.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  And what drugs are you referring to? What kind of drugs?

• 44:42Speaker 05

  Cocaine.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Is that crack cocaine?

• 44:45Speaker 05

  Yes, sir.

• 44:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Just great people. Just really great people.

• 44:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's the part that had me laughing too, because he's like, what did you do when you got back? And he's like, ah.

• 44:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  We, uh, we did drugs. You already know, we did drugs.

• 44:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 45:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know, so they're all doing drugs together, right? Brittany, Travis, Kayla, Adam. Just a big drug party while, uh, Adam and Kayla's two children were there. So they do, they do drugs. They're, they're smoking crack, basically. And Travis then gives Adam the keys to the U-Haul that he just rented for him using someone else's name and credit card. Then Travis got to spend some time with Adam alone. And remember that Adam's legal team is going to try and say that Kayla killed Harmony and Adam was just an innocent bystander. But the testimony from Adam's friend Travis, who had known Adam since they were 17, it paints a different picture.

• 45:38Speaker 05

  After that, Adam Montgomery and myself went outside to smoke a cigarette. He was pacing back and forth. He, he said he effed up.

• 45:50Speaker 05

  And I asked him what he meant and all he could say and repeat was he effed up.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  How many times did you repeat?

• 45:57Speaker 05

  Four or five times. I, am I allowed to say, I fucked up.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  You repeated?

• 46:04Speaker 05

  Yes, sir.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Multiple times? It's okay, thank you.

• 46:09Speaker 05

  Yes, sir.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  Did you ask him to clarify?

• 46:11Speaker 05

  I did, and he did not.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Did he say anything when you asked him to clarify?

• 46:17Speaker 05

  All, all he kept saying was that I, I fucked up.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Where was Kayla during that conversation?

• 46:25Speaker 05

  Kayla was in the first floor at the Econo Lodge with, uh, Brittany.

• 46:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Travis is saying, okay, Adam's pacing around. He says he fucked up. He apologizes to the, to the judge because originally he had said, Adam said he effed up. And the lawyer was like, did he use those exact words? And he's like, can I say it? And they're like, yeah. And he says, and then he apologizes to the judge. He's like, I am a good upstanding citizen. I would never swear in front of a lady.

• 46:50Derrick Levasseur?

  This is important and it's to, to have it be verbatim is very important because it goes back to something you said earlier. And I don't know how much more of an, an admission we're going to get as we go throughout the story. But for the people who are out there listening or watching right now, who may be asking the question, is it possible that Kayla killed Harmony and Adam was just covering it up? Things like this, these spontaneous utterances where they say, where Adam says things like, I fucked up, or not like Kayla fucked up, that's important. It's minor and we're kind of, you know, reading between the lines here, but it is important because now it's another person

• 47:28Derrick Levasseur?

  other than Kayla, who may have direct involvement, stating something that would implicate Adam as being the primary aggressor here, being the primary offender.

• 47:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and Travis said he's like pacing. He's like very on edge. Now, you did all just smoke crack, so that could have something to do with it.

• 47:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 47:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  And also this is lining up at the same time where Kayla is saying that Adam's paranoid. He's getting very violent. He's getting, get very aggressive. Is this because he's worried Kayla is telling on him? Is this because he's stressed out about the whole Harmony thing? Is this because they are just actively doing these types of drugs consistently? Is it a combination of all of these things? I think it's a combination of all of these things. Now, I personally think God, by the way, never been around somebody who had just smoked crack. Um, or who consistently or like habitually uses crack, cocaine, things like this. But I'm sure you have seen this, right?

• 48:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, my God.

• 48:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  It makes you paranoid, very excitable, kind of twitchy, right? So if you're already like stressed out, paranoid, worried, anxious, I'm sure that smoking crack is going to magnify that. And it's really hard because a lot of the things Adam's doing and his, a lot of his behavior, like as far as acting paranoid and anxious and stuff. His lawyers could easily say, well, he was on crack, you know? That's what people act like when, when they're on crack. And it was that and he wasn't necessarily like nervous or anxious about other things. And he could be saying, I [__] up as in I helped Kayla cover it up and I feel bad.

• 49:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  But really in the, in the grand scheme of when you look at all this evidence together, it seems that he was talking about what he did to Harmony.

• 49:15Derrick Levasseur?

  I agree. We're reading between the lines, like I said, but when you're building a case, you're building a narrative. Adam doesn't know at this point it's going to go to trial. So making comments like this, although it may seem minor at the time, it's critical because right now we know that Adam and Kayla were involved. The only defense Adam could have would be that Kayla committed the crime. She committed the homicide and he was a victim here and just was basically forced to help her cover up this entire thing, which nobody's buying, but that's the only thing you can go off of. So these little comments to impartial parties, people who are not directly involved, it's almost more important than what Kayla has to say.

• 49:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  And it also means the same things that we've been saying about Kayla, which is like, we're not looking at Kayla like some good person. Okay. If he, if Kayla did it and he helped her cover it up to this extent where he's like putting his Daughter's body in the bathtub and it you're a monster dude. You're still a monster. You're still not somebody that I'm like, oh, poor Adam. He got dragged into this. You helped cover up your own daughter's death. You also didn't get help. You also didn't tell anybody. You also didn't get justice for your child and it is pretty much proven that Adam's the one who we're going to talk about in a minute, left with the U-Haul to allegedly dispose of Harmony's body. Because Kayla was at the hotel still, and so you're still the one who knows where she is.

• 50:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  At the end of the day, and you're not telling. So if you're so innocent and if you didn't want any of this to happen to Harmony, then why won't you tell anybody where her body is?

• 50:47Derrick Levasseur?

  That right there, you're not a detective, but you're coming to the same conclusion that investigators are coming to. If you really are the innocent party, tell us where she is. You, you were the one, and he's going to say, oh, well, Kayla hit her. Come on, come on, dude. You gotta give us something here. You gotta give us something.

• 51:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, Travis is saying, I gave the keys to Adam, but please, Adam's gonna let Kayla drive off in a U-Haul in the middle of the night and trust her? If anything, he would be going with her. So he'd still know. He would never let her do it by herself, even if he was helping her. Because if he's helping her, he wants to make sure that Kayla, who let's be honest, isn't the most like intelligent person in the entire world, that she's disposing of the body properly. Because if he's gonna help her cover it up, he's helping her cover it up because he doesn't want anybody to find out, because he doesn't want his family separated, right? So he's gonna want to make sure that she properly hides the body and the remains so that nobody finds out. So he's not gonna trust her to do it on her own, obviously. So he'd at least be with her at the very least in the U-Haul and he would still know where Harmony's body was.

• 51:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Bingo, bingo. When you, one plus one equals two, right?

• 51:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  One plus one, like Travis said.

• 51:54Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and that's, and that's what, and that's what the jury's gonna do here. This is why I feel so confident and I'm kind of always in the middle, right? People get aggravated with me with that. There's a very clear picture here that most reasonable people are gonna come to. And it's that Adam was the primary guy here. Kayla should be in prison right next to him, but if he can't have her, he's definitely going down for it. Cause he's the main guy anyways. That's who you want. And by the way, that's why, that's the way prosecutors are looking at it as well. They can't stand her either, but they know in order to get the true monster here, the guy who's at the, at the, at the core of what happened to Harmony, the whole reason that there was even a world where Kayla had to do these things that we don't agree with. It's because of Adam.

• 52:38Derrick Levasseur?

  It's because of Adam. So they're going for the big dog here. They're going for the main guy.

• 52:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. And like, I really want to have your hope and it seems logical, but I've seen so many times where things seem logical and seem like a foregone conclusion where person gets off, you know?

• 52:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 52:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I would just hate to see, I, I would go absolutely crazy. I would go absolutely crazy like Adam after he smoked crack. All right. So Travis did testify that he did not see Adam with a CNC bag at the motel. But Travis's girlfriend Brittany testified that she noticed that there was a canvas bag protruding from the motel rooms mini fridge. And she remembered thinking it was weird because she didn't know why that bag would be in the mini fridge. Here's why I don't think Harmony was in that bag. Okay. I think Kayla's dumb. First of all, the bag probably looked like not super full at all. You can't put remains of a child in there and like several pounds of lime and still put it in a hotel mini fridge. You just can't.

• 53:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's not going to happen. So I think once again, Adam brought the bag along like, see, I have the bag. See, I have the bag. But those garbage bags, he probably hid somewhere like outside or something, right? By the dumpster, thinking when I get the U-Haul, I'll take the CNC bag like I'm bringing it to the U-Haul and then I'll grab these other bags and Kayla will never see. Because Brittany never testified like about a weird smell or anything like that. And she said she saw it protruding from the mini fridge with, which means the mini fridge isn't completely closed. It's protruding from the mini fridge. So the fridge isn't completely closed and how could it be with like you can't even put two bottles of water in these things like it just doesn't make any sense.

• 54:14Derrick Levasseur?

  But I think context is important here and the fact that you're giving us the backstory of the paranoia. That was going on with Adam. I think that's relevant here because it wasn't like they there was a united front. As you mentioned, he was paranoid. He thought that Kayla could be talking to the police.

• 54:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  He had to trust her just enough.

• 54:31Derrick Levasseur?

  No, he there were certain things that because of the close proximity of everything in the small space that they were in, there were things he couldn't avoid. And I will even go a step further. I believe Kayla, when she says that Adam was instructing her to do certain things with Harmony. But I don't think that was because he couldn't do it. I think he was trying to tie her into what was happening. To implicate her to say, hey, listen, I'm gonna make you do certain things so that you're just as responsible as I am. And now I got you.

• 54:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, he wasn't telling her that. That's why.

• 55:01Derrick Levasseur?

  No, no, no. I don't think he was telling her that. But I think that's what he was thinking. The same rationale applies when it comes to like a crime involving drugs where they'll make you try your own shit. They'll make you do certain things to implicate you as well. So you can't say, oh, you know, I didn't do it. By making her do certain things to Harmony's body after the fact. In his mind, he's saying, oh, she can never turn on me because now I know I got stuff on her. Not actually what happened here, but I think that's his rationale. But yes, he didn't trust her. He knew there was a possibility down the road she could turn on him. And so this was the one area where he could create a little bit of mystery around where her body is because even though he's a dumbass.

• 55:43Derrick Levasseur?

  He's looking at it from a TV movie perspective, saying, well, you know what, even if she turns on me, if they can't find her, they can't charge me. That's his thought. And fortunately for us, that's not the case here.

• 55:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  For sure. And like, I really haven't heard anybody talk about this and I tried to find it on Reddit. It seems like Kayla testifying that there was three huge garbage bags, all with lime in them, in the bathroom when Adam was doing this to Harmony, has been completely overlooked. And even the police seemed to kind of be following this CMC canvas bag. But I don't think she was in the bag for so many multiple reasons. So Kayla said that Adam, with the U-Haul and the CMC bag, left around 1 a.m. and he would not tell her where he was going.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Did he tell you specifically why he wasn't telling you where he was going, where he was dumping Harmony?

• 56:34Speaker 03

  Yes, he said he wasn't telling me where he was bringing her so that if anything like this happened and the cops got involved, that I wouldn't be able to tell. I wouldn't know where she is, so I couldn't tell anybody where she is. Only he would know.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Kayla, where is Harmony's body?

• 56:54Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Did he return to the hotel room?

• 56:58Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  And when did he return?

• 57:02Speaker 03

  It was like right before the sun came out.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Did he say anything to you when he returned?

• 57:07Speaker 03

  That he got rid of her.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  That CMC bag, the one that he squished Harmony into?

• 57:13Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Was it still with him?

• 57:16Speaker 03

  No.

• 57:16Speaker 02

  In your apartment on Union Street? At some point during that timeframe, early 2020, did the defendant begin to suspect that you were informing on him?

• 57:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  What did he suspect that you were informing on him about?

• 57:34Speaker 03

  About killing Harmony. He started abusing me.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  I want to unpack that abuse. Can you tell the jurors what he did, what he did to you?

• 57:48Speaker 03

  When he would accuse me of talking to police or detectives, he would ask me if I was telling. And I would say no. And he would say, just to tell him the truth. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't agree saying that I did. And then I, because he would end up hitting me and I finally said that I did, even though I didn't. But you still hurt me anyway.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  How did he hurt you, Kayla?

• 58:19Speaker 03

  By punching me.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  Where did he punch you?

• 58:22Speaker 03

  In the head.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  How often did this happen to you? How often did he do this?

• 58:27Speaker 03

  Constantly.

• 58:29Speaker 03

  It just kept happening.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  Was he doing things to items in your house?

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  What was he doing to the items in your house?

• 58:38Speaker 03

  Destroying everything. Breaking a lot of stuff.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Why was he breaking things, Kayla?

• 58:46Speaker 03

  Cause he thought that there was microphones in the house. And I was telling on him. And thought there was cameras.

• 58:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, so there you go. That's exactly what you were referring to. And listen, regardless of what we've said over this series so far about Kayla, I don't wish this on anybody. Nobody should have eh eh eh experienced any type of abuse like this. I I will say that regardless of her circumstances, there are choices you make eh eh and it's usually a series of choices where you have opportunities to leave and you need to do so if possible. And I know that's easier said than done. I've experienced it a lot throughout my career. There's just, there was multiple opportunities here to remove yourself from this situation. So I'm not going to sit here and say that I don't feel bad for Kayla, but at the same time, I do think some of this was self inflicted.

• 59:36Derrick Levasseur?

  And we have to, there has to be a point where as an adult, we look at this as as adults as well and go, listen, you didn't deserve this, but there were also opportunities for you to remove yourself from the situation and you chose to stay. I don't care what the circumstances are, you gotta get out of there. And I would say that for the majority of people, once this person kills a child and then does the things that she's described to us, that would have been enough for 99.9999% of the people out there to get to get out of it and they and and she didn't.

• 1:00:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, here's the thing.

• 1:00:08Derrick Levasseur?

  I have trouble feeling sympathy for.

• 1:00:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Kayla's going to eventually leave Adam.

• 1:00:12Derrick Levasseur?

  Eventually, great.

• 1:00:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Cause he's not, and I've been in in March, okay? So like, we'll talk about that like a year later in March. She's gonna do it, cause he was abusing her.

• 1:00:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  So once again, yes, I don't wish this on anyone.

• 1:00:25Derrick Levasseur?

  Of course, completely agree.

• 1:00:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  But I do not feel bad for her. If you couldn't leave when you saw Adam kill his own daughter, or just kill anyone. Okay, when you saw Adam kill someone in front of you and then bring the remains along with you for for months and force you to do, or not force, I mean, honestly, really, she wasn't forced, if you think about it, because she could have at any point said no. And even on the trip from the to the restaurant where she's bringing Harmony's body to the walk-in freezer, she could have ran because he wasn't with her. He was at work waiting to collect the bag from her.

• 1:00:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, she wasn't being held at gunpoint.

• 1:00:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's what I'm saying. So there was, I'm sure there was opportunities for you to leave even when he went within the U-Haul. He was gone, you said, from 1 a.m. until early in the morning. You could have left. So if that wasn't a red flag or a sign to you to leave when you saw Adam kill his five-year-old daughter in front of you, then, but you can leave when he's abusing you, you know, so, no, I really, I don't, I don't feel bad for her.

• 1:01:22Derrick Levasseur?

  No, it's, it's hard. It's hard to feel bad for her, but I, and I, I want people as they watch this episode and they think about their own situations, we're not saying that this abuse doesn't happen every single day.

• 1:01:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  We're not saying we don't feel bad for you if you're being abused and you can't leave because the statistics are that it takes like, I forget, it's a ridiculous amount of time, sometimes like seven times of leaving and coming back before you finally do leave for good. We're not saying in general, you not being able to leave, we don't feel bad for you. We're saying we don't feel bad for Kayla because of what she saw happen to Harmony, how she helped cover it up, how that wasn't enough to leave.

• 1:01:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I, I think, I hope we can all get behind the fact that if you witness someone murder a child, even if it means putting your own life in danger, you're going to get out of there. I think that's, that's kind of where, where most of us draw the line. But can we bring this back to the investigative element of this for a second?

• 1:02:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Of course.

• 1:02:12Derrick Levasseur?

  This is important because we still have an opportunity to find Harmony and I have to imagine that law enforcement did this, but you had mentioned 1 a.m. around the time that approximately that he left and he gets up and quote her words when the sun's coming up. So I'd have to go back and look at the date and time and see when the sun rose that day, but we're probably looking at a four to five hour window.

• 1:02:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  We, we know. We actually know where the U-Haul went, so.

• 1:02:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, okay. So I'll say this then because that would be my point. Like I, I still think at this juncture, even though I think he'll be found guilty again, for Harmony's sake, I would love to find her. So that's really what I'm focused on, but I feel like there's more that you can tell me that may change my opinion. So let me not waste our time.

• 1:02:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I, I want to also say like, it's not just Kayla saying he was really weird and paranoid, not just Travis. Saying he was kind of paranoid and, you know, pacing around. Tara Hilbert, the manager of the Union Street apartment complex testified that during the time Adam, Kayla and their sons were staying there, Adam did not have a job and Tara was feeding them and sometimes the kids would play with Tara's kids. And one time Adam told Tara that he had a daughter named Harmony, who he hadn't seen in a couple of years because her mother had taken her back to Massachusetts. Tara also once had to take Kayla out of her apartment because Adam had beaten Kayla pretty badly. She was covered in blood. She had injuries to her eyes and nose. And a resident of the fit shelter, Nicole Gillies, also testified about seeing bruises on Kayla.

• 1:03:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  She said she would see new bruises pretty much every single day. And Nicole had actually helped Adam and Kayla move from the shelter to the Union Street Apartments. And when Nicole was at the apartment, she testified that she saw wires hanging from the ceiling and Adam told her that he was worried about being spied on. And then she was like, being spied on by who? And he was like, the landlords.

• 1:03:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Yeah. For a guy who wasn't directly involved with this and was just a victim like everybody else, he's awful concerned that someone's going to catch him in the act.

• 1:04:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  And Nicole also said that Adam had a common fear that like buses and vans that were driving by him had him under surveillance. So this is other people who are saying, yeah, like he's paranoid. He thinks he's being watched. He thinks he's being monitored.

• 1:04:16Derrick Levasseur?

  It's the plot of Goodfellas. And in that movie, if you watched it, he wasn't innocent. He was the main, he was the main culprit, which is why he was so concerned.

• 1:04:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, Adam did think he was a good fellow.

• 1:04:25Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I bet he did. Let's take a break. We'll be right back.

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• 1:06:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right, the next day, which would have been March 4th, Travis Beach started frantically sending Adam messages because the U-Haul was supposed to have been returned at 2:00 PM, and apparently, they were getting messages saying it had not been returned. So the first message from Travis was sent to Adam at 3:47 PM, and Adam didn't reply until 3:20 AM on March 5th. So basically Travis is like, dude, what's going on? Like, where's the U-Haul? You said you were gonna drop it off. We're getting messages. And the message that Adam sent to Travis said, quote, "I dropped it off on Willow. My word," end quote. And then about 20 minutes later. Adam messaged Travis again, quote, "Please don't message me stuff like this on Facebook again," end quote. He doesn't want this U-Haul connected to him at all, okay?

• 1:07:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  So, the U-Haul had been rented in Brendan's name using Brittany's credit card. The vehicle was a 2019 GMC Savannah cargo van, and investigators tracked the U-Haul using Mass. Dot Department of Transportation toll data, which showed three toll violations. So, the first happened on 4:44 a.m. on March 4th, going northbound at the Tobin Bridge near Boston. At 4:45 a.m., the van was going southbound on the bridge, and at 5:25 a.m., it crossed the bridge going northbound again. So, overall, Adam had driven 133 miles in that cargo van. Now, while this did not tell investigators where Adam got rid of Harmony's remains,

• 1:08:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  it did tell them that the U-Haul went from Manchester towards the Boston, Revere, Chelsea area, crossed near the Tobin Bridge, and then returned. And after subtracting known rental mileage and the Manchester to Tobin route, so known rental-related mileage is like driving it from the rental place to where it-

• 1:08:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that's all monitored, that's all tried. The mileage when that U-Haul got dropped off by the previous customer is documented.

• 1:08:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, so after-

• 1:08:36Derrick Levasseur?

  So, they know exactly the amount of miles.

• 1:08:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right, so after subtracting all of that stuff, and then also, the Manchester to Tobin Bridge route, police believed there was roughly 26 miles unaccounted for of driving where Adam could have gone while looking for a place to dispose of Harmony.

• 1:08:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that's a lot.

• 1:08:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, I have a theory about this, too. So, searches focused on areas along that route, including Romney Marsh Reservation, Salas Creek in Revere, Chelsea Creek, areas around North Shore Road. Now, here's what I'm wondering. Is the whole Tobin Bridge thing just a red herring intentionally done by Adam, who we have already seen was extremely paranoid at that time? I mean, we got three toll violations here, which means the U-Haul passed through a toll point without the toll being properly paid at the time. So, Adam could have intentionally driven this- Route because I think he was from the Revere area. So he could have intentionally driven this route, knowing that the Tobin Bridge uses an all electronic tolling system with overhead gentry.

• 1:09:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he would have known that for sure.

• 1:09:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Knowing his toll violations will be traced back to the rental company. And if the police ever did track that U-Haul to him, and if they ever did come looking, they would believe that they had some insight into his path that night. Now, is that true? So what we could really use is a more specific time that Adam left the O'Connell Lodge in Manchester. So during the public trial, Kayla simply said it was the middle of the night. So when she testified at the trial, she said the middle of the night. But in her original statement to the police, when she finally spilled the beans, she said it was 1 a.m. I don't know if that's what time he left. If Adam left the motel at 1 a.m. And it would only take him about an hour to drive from Manchester to the Tobin Bridge. That leaves two hours unaccounted for. Two hours before he ever even went to the bridge.

• 1:10:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  And it's very possible that Adam could have disposed of Harmony's body in multiple other places. And then just went on a joy ride to the Boston area to throw everyone off. So that everyone, so that everyone would be looking for Harmony, nowhere near where she actually was, right?

• 1:10:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Moral of the story, literal nightmare for investigators.

• 1:10:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I haven't heard anybody say this either, like nobody's.

• 1:10:45Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm sure they've considered it.

• 1:10:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, nobody, like I looked on Reddit, because that's usually where the people who are like really focused on a case and they're really thinking about everything connected to it. Nobody's saying like, maybe those garbage bags could have contained Harmony's remains. And nobody's saying that maybe he could have disposed of her body. Well, why would you go all the way over there and then cross an area where you know there's tolls? And then not pay for the tolls?

• 1:11:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, who knows?

• 1:11:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  You wanted an electronic, you wanted an electronic breadcrumb trail.

• 1:11:12Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I, I would agree with that. I think with, again, what we have from when we have the context from Kayla as far as his paranoia. And the fact that even with his closest confidant, he took the steps to create a decoy where like there was like those cups on a table in the middle of New York City where you don't know which one the ball's under.

• 1:11:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:11:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Like he was doing that even with someone who was his closest ally. So to think that if, again, He's setting up these boundaries for a potential investigation down the road. It could have been his rationale like, hey, I'm gonna put her over here. But then I'm just gonna drive around for a few hours, not only for investigators, but also for Kayla, right? Because if he goes 20 minutes away and then comes right back. She's gonna be able to say he only left for 20 minutes and he was back home. And there's only a certain amount of areas it could be, even if you draw a complete radius with half the distance being going out and then half the time coming back. So by doing this and being gone for four or five hours, there's a real possibility that, yeah, she was dumped within the first 20 minutes and all of this is just a red herring.

• 1:12:15Derrick Levasseur?

  But overall, from the detective sitting there watching all of this, it answers the question for me now, why we have not found Harmony yet. This is not as easy as I would have hoped. And I have to imagine that the possibility of what you just laid out, when you have a lot of people in the room, someone behind closed doors, as far as one of the investigators is saying, hey, what if all of this is just a farce? And even knowing that, it still leaves so many locations where she could be. And when you consider how tiny she was, we're talking about one little canvas bag being in.

• 1:12:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or a garbage bag.

• 1:12:53Derrick Levasseur?

  A garbage bag, I mean, whatever, it's very small, right? She's folded in half, the possibilities are endless. He could have thrown her off a bridge while driving by, which by the way, I don't think he did because you would have found her eventually. More than likely, he buried her somewhere, which makes it even more difficult.

• 1:13:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, I haven't. So I have an idea.

• 1:13:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Hit me with it.

• 1:13:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  We were talking about like a garbage and he was talking about throwing things out in garbages. So obviously he's not gonna throw it out in any apartment, no residential thing.

• 1:13:19Derrick Levasseur?

  No.

• 1:13:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I'm thinking like, where's a place where a lot of garbage goes and nobody's looking through it? Well, a landfill. I checked around, really no landfills and a lot of them are like open certain hours and they're heavily monitored by security cameras, right? So I'm thinking, well, what else, what else, what else? So I did some research and I found out that the I-93 corridor, south of Manchester, in March of 2020, that stretch was part of a long-running construction project. It was the Salem to Manchester. Manchester widening and reconstruction project. So this was not just a normal highway kind of drive. Parts of that corridor had been under major construction for years with interchanges, bridges, lanes, and the areas around it being rebuilt. So in theory,

• 1:14:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  and like I kind of did some like searching through Google Earth for pictures and stuff too, like that kind of environment is going to create temporary pull offs, staging areas, dirt access roads, construction entrances, and disturbed ground places where a vehicle could stop in the middle of the night and maybe not immediately look out of place.

• 1:14:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, here's the thing. Did he bury her there? Because if there's construction happening and you bury her there, things get built over. Or there's something else, right? So there's going to be plenty of like large roll off dumpsters that are there that are being used for construction projects this expansive, where like tons of like brick and plywood and plaster and all sorts of stuff are going into those dumpsters and they're enormous, right? You could stand next to it and it's like you can't even reach and you'd have to crawl up or do something. And no one's looking in those. They're huge. Nobody goes in. They just throw garbage in and then, and then that's it, right? They're not, um, they're not looking. So this is interesting to me because the I-93 corridor sits directly along

• 1:15:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  the Manchester to Tobin Bridge route. So if Adam left Manchester and drove south,

• 1:15:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Ninety-three is a terrible road even now. People from my area know what I'm talking about.

• 1:15:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So he, he would have traveled through or near that reconstruction corridor before reaching Massachusetts. So-

• 1:15:20Derrick Levasseur?

  So you're just adding another wrinkle, right?

• 1:15:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, because we have two hours. If he left at one, we have several hours before he even reached the Tobin Bridge.

• 1:15:28Derrick Levasseur?

  So many wrinkles here, so many possibilities. And you're, you're, you're literally talking about a needle in a haystack. It's, it's unfortunate, but you can see why prosecutors went forward with what they had because the likelihood of finding her now, after all these, these years, especially if it's what you're referring to, where she could be in a thing of concrete at this point, for all we know.

• 1:15:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  And March 2020, COVID. Okay. So people probably weren't like there as much, like especially not in the middle of the night, but maybe there was- Even a kind of thing where it's like, yeah, the construction workers aren't coming in every day. So, you know, they wouldn't be necessarily that policed or noticed if there was tire tracks there or if there was disturbed ground there.

• 1:16:11Derrick Levasseur?

  It's an uphill battle. The only way you're gonna find her, and I hate saying this, is if he tells us.

• 1:16:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  If he tells.

• 1:16:17Derrick Levasseur?

  That's it.

• 1:16:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so, okay, the U-Haul van that Adam used that night had been sold at auction on or about May fourteenth, twenty twenty one. The police were able to get the current owners. They had a business, I think like a carpet cleaning business in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. And they consented to a search of the van on September eleventh, twenty twenty two. So Manchester detectives traveled to Lancaster, Pennsylvania to process the van with Blue Star. And there did appear to be a reaction on the right side of the interior step on the driver's side. It also a faint reaction on the passenger side floorboard and two reactions approximately halfway up the back of the passenger seat along the side of the seat closest to the door. And the affidavit says that each of these areas was swabbed.

• 1:16:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  And the swabs were pending further forensic testing. As far as I can tell, nothing substantial came from this, which means they probably didn't find any usable DNA profile. But once again, that Blue Star could have been picking up on anything because it was used as a cleaning van afterwards.

• 1:17:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, so bleach and things like that would also be.

• 1:17:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or bodily fluids, just from what the places they're cleaning or from their own.

• 1:17:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Bodily fluids for sure. They could also use LCV. LCV is something where now it would, it would still react the same way, although cleaning agents, it wouldn't react as much to so.

• 1:17:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, because this is two years after, you know?

• 1:17:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's not gonna be great forensically, no.

• 1:17:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Investigators also seized multiple items from the Union Street apartment, including the refrigerator, even though there was some indication from the owner of the apartment complex that it may not have been the same refrigerator that was present in the apartment when Adam Montgomery lived there. And Manchester detectives processed the refrigerator with Blue Star. And the affidavit says there appeared to be a small reaction on the bottom right side of the interior of the refrigerator, along with three significant circular reactions and some smaller reactions on the bottom of the interior of the refrigerator. Once again, the areas were swabbed. Once again. They didn't really get anything from it. Now it's a refrigerator. This could be from ground beef. You know what I mean? It's blood, right? Like, could be from anything.

• 1:18:19Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, all, all blood. It doesn't pick up the difference between human blood and animal blood. So you're right. Yeah, I would still have the same reaction. And obviously, Blue Star, Luminol, I think we said it last episode, it's going to react under an alternate light source, black light, like you guys see in the TV shows, the movies. But yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't differentiate between human blood and animal blood.

• 1:18:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  So they also seized the mini fridge at the O'Connell Lodge room, and that showed what was referred to as a small, quick reaction with Blue Star underneath the interior freezer space, as well as a small, quick reaction on the area of the interior door where the can holders were located, and a small, quick reaction at the bottom of the door. Swabs were taken, sent for forensic further testing. It looks like all of the forensic testing for these items came back inconclusive. A complex, mixed DNA profile that just could not be definitively connected to either Adam or Harmony Montgomery.

• 1:19:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that, that's the issues we face. And as technology and science advance, I mean, this is still pretty recent. So you would think this is the best we got. But every year, the, the science is getting better. And it's a possibility that they could go back for this new trial and retest this stuff. But I don't know if it's necessary. Everything you have is the better, the, the more amount, the better. But it's an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence here. You have multiple people corroborating stories, a pattern of behavior by Adam that was, is indicative of someone who's at minimum showing a consciousness of guilt.

• 1:19:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  So for the next year and a half, Adam and Kayla lived as if Harmony had never existed. Whenever anyone asked where Harmony was, they stuck to the prearranged lie that Harmony was with her mother in Massachusetts. Katie Moran was a woman that Adam had met in rehab at some point before 2019. They had become friends, and this eventually turned into them becoming romantically involved, as she described it. And Katie testified that one day, she had been having lunch with Adam, and they were talking about their kids. And Adam told her the worst thing he'd ever done was backhand Harmony after walking out of the bathroom and seeing her suffocating his baby son. Adam told Katie that he had hit Harmony's glasses, so she had ended up with a black eye. Now, Adam also talked to Katie about his wife, Kayla.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Were you aware of whether or not the defendant was married at that time? And what do you recall him saying about his wife?

• 1:20:34Speaker 06

  That she would do anything for him.

• 1:20:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  For the record, this woman was having like sex with Adam while he was married and

• 1:20:42Speaker 07

  It's a choice.

• 1:20:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know, she's talking like, he said Kayla would do anything for him, including, you know, help him cover up the death of his daughter. She didn't say that, but you know what I mean. So then a woman named Rebecca Maines testified that in 2021, Adam Montgomery was her best friend. They saw each other every day.

• 1:21:00Speaker 07

  At the time in 2021, did you ever talk with Adam Montgomery about a daughter named Harmony?

• 1:21:07Speaker 06

  I did.

• 1:21:08Speaker 07

  Where did he say she was living in 2021 when you talked with him?

• 1:21:13Speaker 06

  He told me that he dropped her off to her mother in 2019 at a rest area.

• 1:21:23Speaker 07

  What did he say about how often he was seeing her back in 2021?

• 1:21:28Speaker 06

  He said her mother would not allow him to see her and that he had been trying for some time.

• 1:21:34Speaker 07

  What if anything did he say to you about her having any sort of toilet problems or bathroom issues before she went to live with her mother?

• 1:21:43Speaker 06

  He said she was constantly wetting her pants or using the bathroom. He put her in the corner in her soiled pants, but that she would repeat it when she'd get in the car, she'd have an accident, but he said it was on purpose.

• 1:22:01Speaker 07

  On purpose?

• 1:22:01Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:22:02Speaker 07

  That's what he said?

• 1:22:03Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 1:22:03Speaker 07

  What did he say about why he decided to send Harmony back to her mother?

• 1:22:08Speaker 06

  Because she continually shit her pants. Sorry.

• 1:22:13Speaker 07

  Are those his words?

• 1:22:14Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:22:15Speaker 07

  Okay. With regards, again, to his words, did he ever tell you about a physical incident between himself and Harmony?

• 1:22:23Speaker 06

  He did. So he told me that he was in the bathroom or the kids were in the bathroom. I don't remember the.

• 1:22:30Speaker 06

  But he was in the bathroom and he had walked out to find Harmony with her hands over the baby's mouth and nose and that the baby was not breathing and turning blue and he said he saw red and he just backhanded her.

• 1:22:48Speaker 07

  Did you say when it was? Spring, summer, fall, winter?

• 1:22:53Speaker 06

  It was right before he returned Harmony to her mother.

• 1:22:55Speaker 07

  Who, if anyone, did he ever say Harmony reminded him of?

• 1:22:58Speaker 06

  Her mother.

• 1:22:59Speaker 07

  And did he tell you how that made him feel?

• 1:23:03Speaker 06

  He said he hated her, right to his core.

• 1:23:07Derrick Levasseur?

  All right, fascinating testimony here, super important. Again, it's just, it's we're building, we're building the case here. We're getting multiple admissions of child abuse now from different witnesses other than Kayla who are corroborating Kayla's story, but most importantly-

• 1:23:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  And corroborating Kevin's, Uncle Kevin's story of seeing Harmony with the black eye where-

• 1:23:25Derrick Levasseur?

  This is third or fourth person now who's all corroborating that Adam was abusive toward Harmony.

• 1:23:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  In July of 2019.

• 1:23:31Derrick Levasseur?

  And then this particular video that we're watching here, if you were to describe this interaction in one word, I would describe it as motive. That is what this prosecutor is presenting right here and presenting, most importantly, to the jury. He's explaining that in the eyes of Adam, one, he was frustrated by her using, going to the bathroom in the car, but most importantly, Adam believed that these actions were deliberate.

• 1:23:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Intentional, yeah.

• 1:23:58Derrick Levasseur?

  That Harmony was doing it on purpose, which would infuriate someone. If you, if you were aggravated that this person was going to the bathroom purposely in the car, he's saying, "That's how I viewed it. I didn't view it as a young child who couldn't hold it any longer. She was doing this on purpose." And then cherry on top-

• 1:24:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  To vex me, yeah.

• 1:24:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Cherry on top, if that's not enough, the prosecutor brilliantly ties together that in Adam's mind, when he looked at Harmony, he saw Crystal and he hated Crystal.

• 1:24:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, he hated Harmony. So I want to be very clear. I want to be very clear. For the record, she says, "He said he hated her to his core." This was followed by a flurry of objections and now- From the defense team, but I want to clarify Rebecca mains was testifying that Adam was saying it was Harmony. He hated.

• 1:24:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, interesting because I took that as he hated Crystal and there and saw Crystal in harmony. But you're saying when, when Rebecca made that comment and he said, I hated her, he was actually referring to harmony.

• 1:24:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's what she believed. Now here's the thing. So he is telling everyone I let Harmony or I gave Harmony back to her mother because we were homeless and of course, like we just couldn't provide, but he's telling his best friend who he's seeing every day. No, I sent her back to her mother because she was pissing in the car and having accidents intentionally in the car. Now go back to what you said about motive. So when he's saying, I sent her back to her mother. In, in reality, and in his head, he's like, I got rid of her. So I got rid of her by sending her back to her mothers. I got rid of her by killing her and I did that because of this. So the real motive was not, oh, we, we didn't have a good place for her to live.

• 1:25:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  It was because of what she was doing in the car and consistently that he believed was intentional and to simply vex him and to piss him off.

• 1:25:49Derrick Levasseur?

  And here's what you're doing as a jury member, right? If Kayla and Rebecca had not talked to each other, they're both saying the same thing. Without knowing each other, without having these previous conversations. So one of two things are happening here. They're both telling the truth or there's this collaborative effort taking place behind the scenes where they got together to implicate Adam. For no reason where they, they both don't really know each other. And yet they decided this is the route they were going to go. And Rebecca was going to protect Kayla. What's more likely?

• 1:26:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, I believe that Rebecca like vaguely knew Kayla, but it was.

• 1:26:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Not to the point where she's going to.

• 1:26:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  With the Adam was her best friend.

• 1:26:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. She's going to frame Adam, someone she's close to for Kayla. Kayla's telling you the same story. It all lines up. And then you have an impartial party saying the same thing. So now where there's smoke, there's fire.

• 1:26:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right, we're going to take our last break. We'll be right back.

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• 1:29:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  So let's now move to St. Patrick's Day of 2021 when Kayla finally left Adam. Now, according to Kayla, Adam's abuse towards her had started in early 2020. And during the trial, a photo taken on March 17, 2021 was presented to the court. And undoubtedly, this photo shows Kayla with a pronounced black eye. And she said that from early 2020 until the day that picture was taken, Adam was consistently hitting her. And this coincides with Adam's paranoid behavior that he was being followed, or that Kayla was snitching on him to the police. So Kayla testified that Adam told her that he would be able to have her killed and cut in pieces, and no one would be able to find her if she told anyone what had happened to Harmony.

• 1:29:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Which, once again, he probably did, but still, not enough reason to kind of not do the right thing. So Roseanne Smith, she's a woman, she worked for Pelican Transportation, a non-medical emergency medical transport company. And so she had started driving Kayla and Adam Montgomery, sometimes with their two sons, to the methadone clinic on December 14, 2019. That's the day she started driving them. Now, on a day in March of 2021, Roseanne drove Kayla and Adam to the clinic. The boys were not present for this ride, but it was a day that Roseanne Smith remembered vividly.

• 1:30:24Speaker 07

  Would you or would you not agree that this incident was not like other incident, I'm sorry, this driving was not like other driving that you've done for them?

• 1:30:31Speaker 04

  Absolutely. It was something I will never forget.

• 1:30:36Speaker 07

  I'd like to ask you, when you first saw, did you see Kayla Montgomery on that day for this particular ride?

• 1:30:41Speaker 04

  Yes, I did.

• 1:30:42Speaker 07

  When you saw her face, how did she appear to you?

• 1:30:45Speaker 04

  Her left eye was badly bruised and starting to swell shut.

• 1:30:51Speaker 07

  Had you driven Miss Montgomery the day before?

• 1:30:53Speaker 04

  Yes, I had.

• 1:30:55Speaker 07

  Did she have that black eye the day before?

• 1:30:57Speaker 04

  No, she had not.

• 1:30:58Speaker 07

  Who else was in the car with you and Miss Montgomery?

• 1:31:01Speaker 04

  Adam.

• 1:31:02Speaker 07

  Adam. How was she moving in a car? Could you describe physically what you saw in terms of her movements?

• 1:31:09Speaker 04

  She didn't move very much, and she...

• 1:31:14Speaker 04

  Didn't say very much because Adam was in the car.

• 1:31:17Speaker 07

  Okay. Let me ask you, the event that I want to, I want to ask you about, did that occur when you were back at Union Street?

• 1:31:23Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:31:24Speaker 07

  Okay. Um, when this event occurred, where was Kayla?

• 1:31:28Speaker 04

  In the front seat beside me.

• 1:31:30Speaker 07

  Okay. And where was Adam at this point?

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  Walking away from the car.

• 1:31:36Speaker 07

  What, if anything, did you try to give Kayla?

• 1:31:38Speaker 04

  I tried to give her my phone.

• 1:31:40Speaker 07

  What did you believe she was going to do with the phone?

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  She said, well, I can't do, she said, he wanted to call for help.

• 1:31:48Speaker 07

  Okay. Where was Adam when you tried to give her the phone?

• 1:31:52Speaker 04

  He was walking back towards the car, but...

• 1:31:54Speaker 07

  And so, at that point, you said he was walking back towards the car?

• 1:31:58Speaker 04

  I didn't see Adam there. I saw rage, saw pure rage walking towards me. He reached into the window of the car and twisted my phone out of my hand and said, "You're not giving my wife that phone."

• 1:32:14Speaker 07

  What did you say to him when he did that to you?

• 1:32:17Speaker 04

  I looked at him and I said, "Adam, I love you. Please give me the phone back. I'm trying to help you guys." He then gave me the phone back and I was able to give it to Kayla.

• 1:32:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  So, uh, Roseanne had talked about how she picked Adam and Kayla up, and then it was like a very weird ride to the methadone clinic because, um, no one was talking and it was all silent and Kayla was like, kind of cowering and, you know, she just, uh, didn't look good. And then they get back to, uh, the apartment and Adam gets out of the car, but Kayla stays in the car. So Adam's walking, you know, getting out of the car and starting to walk away, thinking Kayla's following him, and that's when Roseanne tries to hand her the phone, and that's when Adam turns around and comes back to the car and he looks... You know, very angry. So

• 1:33:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Like she said, a difference, it wasn't Adam, or it wasn't the person who had she had seen it was Adam. That's who he really is.

• 1:33:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, cuz she's been driving them since December of 2019. So this is March of 2021. She's known them for a while.

• 1:33:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. Unfortunately, his mask came off for a minute there.

• 1:33:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, his mask slipped.

• 1:33:29Derrick Levasseur?

  And she got to see the real Adam.

• 1:33:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  She got to see the real Adam. Yep. So Roseanne Smith went on to report this incident to her supervisor at Pelican Transportation. She said she was terrified and she refused to transport the family ever again. And I mean, you can tell she's shaken in this testimony, even

• 1:33:44Derrick Levasseur?

  She's reliving it.

• 1:33:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  Years later. She testified that the encounter with Adam was so deeply disturbing that she began carrying pepper spray everywhere she went, which is not like a bad idea, by the way, cuz you see Roseanne Smith, she's like this cute older woman. She's very small and she seems like a good-hearted person. I mean, she's telling Adam, I love you guys, like, don't do this. And he realized like, oh, I'm looking bad in front of somebody I shouldn't look bad in front of. Yeah. So, but I mean, the, I'm not saying that drug addicts are inherently dangerous, but the kinds of people that you're driving to methadone clinics and stuff, it's not that the fact that they're doing drugs, it's that sometimes drugs and like violent behavior and criminal activity are seen in the same sorts of people, right?

• 1:34:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  So you should probably be carrying pepper spray. In fact,

• 1:34:31Derrick Levasseur?

  You gotta be careful.

• 1:34:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't want Roseanne to be working for Pelican Transportation. Okay? So Roseanne, you need to be home with your grandkids. You're a nice woman and don't put yourself in these positions because it could have gone bad with Adam.

• 1:34:43Derrick Levasseur?

  I think even people who are, who are fans of ours and have watched the show and are listening right now, if they've had previous substance abuse issues would acknowledge that sometimes, uh, due to addiction, you sometimes do things that are out of character for you. And if you're going through withdrawals or whatever it might be, so in no way are you saying drug dealers equals violent offenders. But what we're, we are acknowledging is that when you're in a bad place, you can make some really poor choices. And so for Roseanne, whether it's driving people to the methadone clinics, or even, I'm talking Uber drivers, taxi drivers, or whatever it is, when you have people in your car that you're not super familiar with and that you don't have personal relationships with, you gotta protect

• 1:35:26Derrick Levasseur?

  yourself, man. Having self-defense instruments, weapons on you, not a bad, not a bad call.

• 1:35:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, that's what I'm saying, yeah. And she never, obviously, wanted to drive Adam again.

• 1:35:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Understandable, understandable.

• 1:35:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Obviously, Adam was not happy about what happened in Roseanne Smith's car, and things between himself and Kayla escalated.

• 1:35:44Speaker 03

  Adam would tell me that I couldn't leave the house, and I ended up leaving and running out of the house, and I had my daughter in my arms. And I ran to Tara's apartment, which was right next door, and asked her if she could call my mom. And then Adam came out and followed me and put me in a chokehold and said to tell her to not call my mom, don't make that phone call, or else he's gonna hurt me.

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  Kayla, why couldn't you leave the house?

• 1:36:26Speaker 03

  Because he thought that I was trying to tell on him.

• 1:36:30Speaker 02

  And let me ask you this, Kayla. When you left the house, were your two small sons still in the house with him?

• 1:36:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:36:39Speaker 02

  Why did you only take your daughter?

• 1:36:42Speaker 03

  Because she was in my arms. I was already feeding her, and I just ran. I just ran out to find help, and I could go back and get the kids.

• 1:36:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  So finally, on March 17th, St. Patrick's Day, Kayla took all of her children, called the police, and eventually ended up in a domestic violence shelter. She stayed with her mother first. We're going to talk about that. So Adam spent 30 days in jail, but roughly four months later, in July of 2021, he found Kayla staying at her mother's place. A neighbor witnessed Adam creeping around near their house and tapping on windows around 8:00 PM on July 2nd. Christina Lubin, that's Kayla's mother, her boyfriend apparently spotted Adam, made eye contact with him, and then Adam crossed the street. But Christina Lubin called the police, saying that Adam was kind of pacing back and forth across the street from her home. And when the police arrived, they were like, well, we can't.

• 1:37:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Like arrest him because he's technically not doing anything wrong and there's no order in place that he has to stay away from Kayla. So they advised Christina Lubin to file for a restraining order, which she did end up doing. Now, three days after this, while going out to get the mail, Christina's boyfriend found a steak knife on the ground where neighbors had spotted Adam tapping on windows. So it's kind of like, we don't know, did he have a knife that day when he was there and he was tapping on windows, or did he return with the knife at a later time? But either way, they kind of think he had a knife when he was there.

• 1:38:10Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, it's also possible, just to put it out there, that the knife wasn't related to it. But you know, when you're starting to try to figure out what's going on here, and we're talking about a specific person, it's not a unreasonable assumption to, to assume that it might have belonged to Adam. And maybe he dumped the knife when somebody spotted him.

• 1:38:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  At that point, after this time, Adam and Kayla would never live together again. And although Kayla claimed she was terrified of Adam and he was evil, and although Kayla felt like Adam was seeing someone else, which we'll talk about, they continued communicating often. Even after she claimed she was so afraid of him and she had to flee with the kids, they continued talking. In fact, Adam was seeing someone else, Kelsey Small, who we talked about previously. But that relationship had actually already started in late 2020, while Adam and Kayla were still actively together and living together.

• 1:39:00Speaker 04

  And you contacted Adam?

• 1:39:02Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:39:03Speaker 04

  You contacted him quite a bit while he was gone, right?

• 1:39:06Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:39:07Speaker 04

  Because he was in jail for a bit and then he went to Farnham Center, right?

• 1:39:11Speaker 06

  Yes, I gave him a ride. So our transportation drove him to the Farm Center.

• 1:39:16Speaker 04

  And then he went to a sober house?

• 1:39:19Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:39:20Speaker 04

  And while at the sober house, you two communicated?

• 1:39:24Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:39:25Speaker 04

  Uh, but you thought he might be fooling around on you then?

• 1:39:29Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:39:30Speaker 04

  And you get mad at him?

• 1:39:31Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:39:32Speaker 04

  And, uh, you'd tell him he couldn't see the kids?

• 1:39:36Speaker 06

  I don't remember that.

• 1:39:38Speaker 04

  Sometimes you'd get mad at him.

• 1:39:40Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:39:41Speaker 04

  And, uh, you'd communicate your anger to him.

• 1:39:46Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:39:47Speaker 04

  And then sometimes you got jealous.

• 1:39:50Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:39:51Speaker 04

  And you'd communicate your jealousy to him.

• 1:39:54Speaker 06

  But that, I didn't know that he was with a girlfriend at those times.

• 1:39:58Speaker 04

  Right, you just were jealous. Is that right?

• 1:40:01Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:40:02Speaker 04

  Okay. Whether it was Kelsey or not, you didn't know what was going on, but...

• 1:40:06Speaker 06

  Because he was accusing me too.

• 1:40:08Speaker 04

  Right. Right. It was sort of a back and forth relationship between the two of you, right? And you'd get mad at him, or he might get mad at you, right?

• 1:40:17Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:40:17Speaker 04

  Um, but when things were, uh, but you were actually, both of you sort of trying to get together too, right?

• 1:40:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, we were trying to have our family back together.

• 1:40:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, you considered him your best friend when things were good.

• 1:40:33Speaker 06

  Yes. He was the same way with me too.

• 1:40:35Speaker 04

  Right. But you two were pretty connected when things were good, right?

• 1:40:40Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:40:41Speaker 04

  And sometimes even when things were not so good.

• 1:40:44Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:40:44Speaker 04

  Pretty solid with each other.

• 1:40:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:40:47Derrick Levasseur?

  How romantic.

• 1:40:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, Kayla's annoyed by this questioning from Adam's attorney, by the way. Um, she's like, "Yeah, I considered him my best friend, and he thought I was his best friend. And when things were good, they were good. And when they were terrible, they were terrible." But, but it's like, you saw him kill his daughter, and then he beat you consistently, and you had to flee with your children, but you're still talking to him and you're still trying to like...

• 1:41:11Derrick Levasseur?

  That's...

• 1:41:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Make it work for your family?

• 1:41:14Derrick Levasseur?

  That's what the defense attorney's doing, is she's trying to paint Kayla in a certain light to the jury. That's all she's doing, like, to basically saying, "Hey, listen, is this the person that you're gonna believe?"

• 1:41:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think it just shows a trauma bond, which we've seen a million times.

• 1:41:26Derrick Levasseur?

  I, I would agree with you, and I, and I think Kayla was also going through her own stuff where she wasn't making the best, the most sound decisions, but, no, you can, you know, and I think that's why Kayla's annoyed with the questioning, is she, she knows how it looks.

• 1:41:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:39Derrick Levasseur?

  As well.

• 1:41:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  She knows how it looks.

• 1:41:40Derrick Levasseur?

  And she's hearing it out loud, she's going, "Yeah, this sounds terrible."

• 1:41:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  But it doesn't, to any woman who's ever been in a relationship like this, it doesn't necessarily sound terrible. I mean, the whole him killing his daughter in front of you part, yeah. I'm not gonna wanna ever talk to you again.

• 1:41:54Derrick Levasseur?

  That's the point she's making, like, this is all after allegedly he killed his daughter and you witnessed it, and yet you're still communicating with him. When things are good, even when things are bad sometimes, you're still having a rela- so if he's a murderer-

• 1:42:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  But that's why I'm saying she's just as bad as he is. Like, she's just as messed up as he is.

• 1:42:10Derrick Levasseur?

  We agree. We agree, but for the purposes of this cross-examination, the defense is trying to say, if he really did in fact kill his daughter, why would this woman stick around? That's, that's exactly what she's doing here.

• 1:42:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Listen, if I was that defense attorney, I would have definitely done a better job with the questioning and made that more clear, but yeah, not a bad thing to point out. So, uh, like I said, I think anybody in a domestically violent relationship, any woman can understand, like, going back-

• 1:42:35Derrick Levasseur?

  We get it.

• 1:42:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  And having a hard time breaking free. I think it's an average of seven times or something like that. But you saw him kill his daughter.

• 1:42:41Derrick Levasseur?

  That's a different ballgame.

• 1:42:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, different ballgame.

• 1:42:43Derrick Levasseur?

  If he can do it to that, to that child, he can do it to you and, and your kids. That right there should be enough to get out.

• 1:42:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  So, as we know, Adam did live in Maine with Kelsey for several weeks in November of 2021. But on December 30th, 2021, detectives were at Kayla's door, remember, asking her questions about Harmony, and we know that Kayla lied and protected Adam. And then, the detectives are like, well, you know, do you know where Adam is? And she's like, I think he might be in Maine, whatever. They said, do you know how to contact him? She said, no. And then, when she was not with the detectives anymore, she did know how to contact Adam because she urgently called him.

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  But you got in touch with him? Yes. And you said for him to come back to Manchester? Yes. You said that he needed to deal with this too? Yes. And you said that you were not dealing with it by yourself? Yes. And you said, this is not my fault? Yes. And Adam came when you contacted him? Yes. And he came to Manchester? Yes. But he came to Manchester with a woman? Yes. Um, Kelsey Small? Yes. And so, um, when Adam showed up with this woman in-

• 1:44:01Speaker 04

  Uh, December of 2021, when you called him and told him to come back, um, you didn't like her.

• 1:44:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  No.

• 1:44:12Speaker 04

  I think you called her thing.

• 1:44:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:15Speaker 04

  Uh, but you needed to work with Adam to get through this infi- uh, investigation, right?

• 1:44:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's not why I was being nice to him, was not because of this situation.

• 1:44:27Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 1:44:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:44:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, not a good look for Kayla though, right? And, uh, uh, you can read between the lines, everyone, you got part-time detectives out there, you're reading between the lines. What this defense attorney's doing is simple. She's saying, hey, listen, Kayla's up here trying to tell you that she was in her own right and a victim in all of this, and she, Adam was the bad guy, and yet, when law enforcement came to her and was looking for Adam, she lied to them, immediately called Adam and said, hey, you have to come back and we need to get through this together.

• 1:44:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, but you know where I think the defense attorney made a mistake? She said that Kayla told Adam, this is not my fault.

• 1:45:04Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes.

• 1:45:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Kayla was like, yep.

• 1:45:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, no, I agree. That statement right there, acknowledging that Kayla told him to his face.

• 1:45:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is not my fault.

• 1:45:12Derrick Levasseur?

  On the phone, this is not my fault, we gotta deal with this together. I take it as Kayla knows she's up shit's creek without a paddle here. She knows everything that she did and how she was involved. She doesn't know she's gonna get a sweetheart deal at this point, so she's thinking, hey, if you go down, I go down, we're in this together, we gotta get out of this together.

• 1:45:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm not gonna sit here and deal with this by myself, having these police at my door every day, cause I'm the only one.

• 1:45:34Derrick Levasseur?

  And she, and she's probably thinking at this point, if he goes down, I'm screwed too, so I, I, for self-preservation reasons, we gotta, we gotta stick side by side here.

• 1:45:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, when in fact, she brought him back to the exact same place where the detectives would find him.

• 1:45:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  A few weeks after this, on January 5th, 2022, Manchester Police Detective Adam Bergeron Rosa used a program called Leads Online to look up any pawn activity for Kayla and for Kelsey Small. And so, this is a pawn database that law enforcement uses to monitor secondhand transactions with pawn shops, jewelry stores, and eco ATMs. And we dealt with an eco ATM. In what case that we talked about?

• 1:46:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Megan Trussell.

• 1:46:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Megan Trussell. So the records showed that Kelsey Smalls had pawned four items at the ECO ATM inside the Manchester Walmart on December 30th, 2021, the same day that the police were talking to Kayla, the same day Kayla called Adam and said, get back here, the same day that Adam got back there, bringing his girlfriend Kelsey with him. So they pawned, or Kelsey technically under her name, pawned a Samsung Galaxy 12, a Samsung Galaxy A1 cellphone, a Samsung tablet, and an Alcatel phone. So those four devices were seized from ECO ATM, and surveillance footage from that Walmart location was also obtained. And the video showed two women, one in a light blue long sleeve shirt and one in a dark blue jacket,

• 1:46:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  at the Walmart ECO ATM for 33 minutes. And throughout those 33 minutes, a man in a tan hat would be standing next to them. He would leave and then return to the ECO ATM. And after all three individuals walked away from that ECO ATM, they wandered through the store and their faces were visible on surveillance video as they walked down the cosmetic aisle. And the three people were obviously Kelsey Small, Kayla Montgomery, and Adam Montgomery. So Kayla's like, get back here. And then he comes with his girlfriend. And then Kelsey and Kayla, the two girlfriends of Adam, they go together with Adam to do this transaction. Now, once again, did Kelsey know what was going on? We don't know, because she passed away from an overdose. I would say probably not exactly.

• 1:47:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Not all the details, no.

• 1:47:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  But probably, once again, she's doing drugs, Adam's doing drugs, Kayla's doing drugs. At this point, Kelsey's like, yeah, whatever you want, man. I'll use my name to pawn some phones, whatever. She's not thinking or understanding what it's about. Or she did know, and we just never know. I don't know. I doubt it, though, because I doubt Adam would be honest with her about that, because then he's got someone else to worry about.

• 1:48:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Another person that, yeah.

• 1:48:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it was quite a long time for them to be at the ECO ATM, 33 minutes. The police said that an average transaction takes roughly five minutes, and they'd been there for quite a while. At least one of the devices pawned was connected back to Adam Montgomery, a Samsung phone. That at one point had his Facebook logged into it, which is how the prosecution was able to retrieve messages centering around the December 2019 car breakdown that lined up with the date of Harmony's death. So basically Kayla left Adam, called the police, her mother got a restraining order, but Kayla was still actively in touch with Adam and was feeling complicit enough in what happened to Harmony that she did not tell the police how to contact him, even though she knew his number.

• 1:48:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  She then called his number, told him to come back and help her figure it out, and went with him with his new girlfriend to Walmart to dispose of evidence in this eco ATM. And, you know, thank God they found it because once again, those messages of the car breaking down and it being this specific car and the timing that all helped with the, the police and prosecution lining up the timeline of what happened to Harmony.

• 1:49:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, you can see all of it, right? I've said the phrase a lot, consciousness of guilt. There's just a ton of it throughout this episode where the behavior after the fact is indicative of somebody who committed said crime that's in question, which would be the homicide. The, the question here is not a matter, it's not a whodunit, right? It's, they know who's involved and the two main people are Kayla and Adam. So the real question is, to narrow it down, is which one of them actually did it? And they have deduced through their investigation and through the, the history of Adam and his, his predisposition to violence, that it was him. And then you have Kayla's statements being corroborated by outside parties, some who barely even knew her. That's how they've narrowed it down to Adam being the primary aggressor here to being the offender who actually committed the homicide.

• 1:49:54Derrick Levasseur?

  And they know that Kayla has also done things to try to cover it up. And in another world, they wouldn't have needed her and they could have charged her as well. But unfortunately, without her testimony, a lot of what you've covered throughout these past three episodes, we wouldn't have.

• 1:50:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  I agree, yeah.

• 1:50:11Derrick Levasseur?

  So it's a crazy case.

• 1:50:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I mean, is it all completely true?

• 1:50:14Derrick Levasseur?

  No.

• 1:50:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, I'm sure she's saying things about her part in it that aren't true, but I think what she's saying about Adam's part in it is true.

• 1:50:21Derrick Levasseur?

  And what we have so far. Where there are certain points in this investigation where detectives can take her statements and then go back and check them and validate them against technology. For example, the system that they used, or the cameras, or the toll booths in Tobin Bridge. Everything is lining up, right? Everything is lining up with what she's saying. So until you catch her in a flat out lie, you have no reason not to believe her. And to her credit, there are things that she's admitting, right? She's obviously giving a poor justification for it, but there are things that are, she's talking about that does not paint her in a positive light, and yet she's still saying it, which is also a sign of credibility, because if she really was just trying to depict this

• 1:51:04Derrick Levasseur?

  completely innocent person, she wouldn't admit to things like, "I helped with Harmony in the bathtub," right? She would just omit those facts. But yet, even though it doesn't make her look great, she's adding that in there, which for a jury, I think is gonna, you know, they're not gonna like her, but it makes her more believable.

• 1:51:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I mean, I think she's just, she's kind of just telling the truth, because I don't think she, she thinks she has a choice at this point.

• 1:51:26Derrick Levasseur?

  And Adam, on the other hand, is, we go back to the interrogation video from last episode, just lying through his teeth.

• 1:51:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and like I said, okay, you claim that you didn't do this, and you would like to prove it, tell us where Harmony's body is, because either you went in that, that U-Haul alone, or you and Kayla went, right? But, but you were there, you would never have let her do that on her own, you know? I just don't think he would have.

• 1:51:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, here's the problem. If now, he goes and tells them where she is, more than likely, it's gonna align-

• 1:51:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's going to align with Kayla's story, that's why he's not telling that.

• 1:52:01Derrick Levasseur?

  But more importantly, his movements on that day in question, where if he's, if Harmony's found over the Tobin Bridge, along one of these construction sites where we know Adam was on that morning, dead to rights. So he knows by acknowledging and pointing out where Harmony is, it's only gonna come back to one person. And so he can't even give you that, because now he knows that you know he was in that area, and he's dead to rights. He has to die on that hill at this point.

• 1:52:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mm-hmm, exactly.

• 1:52:28Derrick Levasseur?

  I don't think this is gonna happen, but at some point, if convicted again- For the sake of Harmony and the rest of her family. He finally says, you know what? Appeals are over. It's not going to happen. Let me just say where she is. But you and I both know the chances of that happening. We got a better chance of seeing Santa Claus. Come sit next to me and give me a present.

• 1:52:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, it's not going to happen. It's just not.

• 1:52:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Not going to happen.

• 1:52:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Unfortunately.

• 1:52:51Derrick Levasseur?

  No.

• 1:52:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  So that's where we'll end today. Now we have one episode left and trust me, there's more to talk about.

• 1:52:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Full disclosure, full disclosure for you guys to just to give, break the fourth wall a little bit here. There is probably another 10 pages that's already written that I can see. But we're stopping it here and this is a little inside baseball. But because Stephanie's like, there's so much where they're downloading this episode, meaning you guys. We want to digest this section and then move on because we could go for another two hours right now. But I agree with you. There's been so much to process here and this is the stuff that I actually, I guess, enjoy going through the investigation itself and how they paint the picture that we have to shut it down here and save it for next week. So good call, Ms. Harlow. I agree with it.

• 1:53:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it's a, and it's a completely different gear we're switching into. And I want to talk about the overturned conviction. So there's a lot to talk about still.

• 1:53:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, we'll be back next week. Uh, we appreciate you guys being here. Appreciate the love and support. Until next time, stay safe out there. We'll see you soon.

• 1:53:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bye.