Harmony Montgomery | The Duffle Bag, the Vent, and the Truth (Part 2)

In October of 2021, the body of five-year-old Elijah Lewis was found buried in a Massachusetts park. And when Crystal Sorey heard what had happened to that little boy, something inside her panicked- because she had been trying, for months, to get people to listen to her about her own missing child. Her daughter, Harmony Montgomery. Harmony was supposed to be in first grade. She was supposed to be wearing her glasses. She was supposed to be getting medical care for the condition that left her blind in one eye. She was supposed to be protected. Instead, by the time anyone officially started looking for her, Harmony had not been seen in two years. Harmony did not disappear from a life where everything seemed fine. She disappeared after years of warning signs, reports, custody battles, missed appointments, police calls, allegations of abuse, unstable homes, substance abuse, homelessness, and adults pointing fingers at every other adult in the room. Her mother failed her. Her father failed her. Her stepmother failed her. The courts failed her. Child protective services failed her. The systems built specifically to catch a little girl before she fell through the cracks watched those cracks open wider and wider. This was a child who had already spent so much of her tiny life being moved from place to place, plan to plan, home to home. A child with medical needs. A child with a little brother who loved her, missed her, and kept looking for her at playgrounds because he believed, the way children do, that if he looked hard enough, maybe she would just be there. But Harmony wasn’t there. And for years, the people responsible for knowing where she was, and making sure she was safe and cared for, simply didn’t.

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• 0:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:15Derrick Levasseur?

  And I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 0:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  So today, we are diving into part two of the Harmony Montgomery case. It's going to be... Oh, you're gonna get pissed off, Derek?

• 0:24Derrick Levasseur?

  More than I got last episode?

• 0:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  More, even more.

• 0:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Because my day was ruined last episode.

• 0:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, well, consider your day ruined.

• 0:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Great, thanks, appreciate it.

• 0:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  But, once again, very important that we talk about this, especially given the new developments, with Adam's conviction being overturned.

• 0:39Derrick Levasseur?

  That's the craziest part. I keep reminding myself that the reason we're covering it right now is because this asshole's getting another trial because of a technicality. That's the crazy part.

• 0:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, with a new trial coming up, it's like, we all should know the details and the specifics before this new trial pops up.

• 0:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I'm glad we are. I'm glad we're going through it.

• 0:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I'm going to give a quick recap, and I apologize to anybody if my voice sounds weird or scratchy or more vocal fryy than usual. Derek called me yesterday and I was like, hello? And he was like, you sound terrible. The allergies have been getting me so hardcore that I would say all month, all in the entire month of June, because we are filming this on June 29th, I have not had any reprieve, except for when I was in Vegas, by the way.

• 1:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Because you love Vegas.

• 1:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then I got a sinus infection in Vegas, so... I don't know what's going on.

• 1:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Your immune system needs to be studied.

• 1:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, it's just changes, man. Going from like, humid New York to dry-ass Vegas, and just completely, and then like, being in a plane. Do you know what a plane does to your body? Don't look it up if you travel a lot, but...

• 1:38Derrick Levasseur?

  It's a petri dish. Yeah, I don't love it.

• 1:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so I'm gonna give a quick recap of what we talked about in part one before we dive into part two. Harmony Montgomery was born in June of 2014 in Massachusetts to Crystal Sorey and Adam Montgomery. From the very beginning, Harmony was a vulnerable child. She had medical and developmental needs. She was visually impaired, blind in one eye, and almost immediately after her birth, DCF began receiving reports that she was being neglected while in her mother's care. So over the next several years, Harmony was moved in and out of foster care, returned to her mother, removed to her mother. Again, placed back with foster parents who did love her and who did believe that the repeated disruptions were traumatizing her. Meanwhile, Harmony's father, Adam Montgomery, who had been mostly absent from her life

• 2:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  because he was incarcerated for shooting someone in the face so that he could steal his heroin. He only had limited supervised contact with her. And that was basically because DCF like tracked him down and was like, you should see your kid. I don't know why they did that. But in February of 2019, despite the fact that Adam had only spent around 40 supervised hours with Harmony, despite his violent criminal history, despite the fact that New Hampshire had not completed the interstate home study meant to determine whether his home was safe, and despite DCF objecting, a judge awarded Adam full custody of Harmony. So after that, Harmony was moved from the Boston area of Massachusetts to Manchester, New Hampshire with Adam, his wife Kayla, and their children.

• 3:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  And almost immediately, the warning signs started piling up. Harmony's mother, Crystal, said Adam cut off her contact with Harmony after a frightening FaceTime call around Easter of 2019. Family members reported that Harmony had a black eye, a severe black eye, that Adam had admitted to hitting her, that she was being isolated, punished, neglected, and forced to live in a filthy home with no electricity, no hot water, and suspected drug use. Neighbors called, relatives called, police were called. DCYF was told over and over again that this little girl was in danger, but the caseworker assigned to investigate, Demetrius Toros, accepted.

• 3:42Derrick Levasseur?

  He had the comments this week.

• 3:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not kind to Toros.

• 3:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Toros, Crime Weekly community, not a fan.

• 3:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Better watch your back.

• 3:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 3:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  Demetrius Toros, who has his own issues with the law and with being physically abusive, he accepted Adam and Kayla's explanations, did no meaningful follow-ups on multiple witnesses, didn't verify that Harmony was enrolled in school. And in October of 2019, DCYF closed the case as unfounded. Less than two months later, according to prosecutors, Harmony was dead. So that brings us to the new information we're going to be covering in part two. So basically, at this time, Adam and Kayla Montgomery, along with their two children and Harmony, would be evicted from 77 Gelford Street on November 27, 2019.

• 4:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, investigators believe that Harmony Montgomery was killed on December 7. And we're going to talk about why. What evidence do they have to support that belief? Which I think is pretty massive. So during that time, between November 27, when they were evicted, and December 7, when the police believe Harmony was killed, the family was homeless and they started living out of Adam's silver 2010 Chrysler Sebring. So, fast forward to December 31, 2021, when police were investigating Harmony's disappearance, and Detective Don Levy of the Manchester Police tracked down Kayla Montgomery after not being able to locate Harmony at any of Adam's previously listed addresses.

• 5:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Kayla claimed the last time she had seen Harmony was on November 30, 2019, before she went to work at Dunkin' Donuts in Manchester, New Hampshire. Kayla said that Adam dropped her off at work and told her that he was bringing Harmony to her mother, Crystal, in Lowell, Massachusetts. And when Adam returned to pick Kayla up from work, Harmony wasn't with him. Kayla also said that she had not seen her husband, Adam, since late October of 2021, and she hadn't spoken to him since November of 2021. She said as far as she knew, Adam had taken off to Maine with another woman named Kelsey Small, and he was living in a sober house.

• 6:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  So, when asked if she had ever seen Harmony with a black eye, Kayla admitted she had. But, at this time, when police are talking to her in 2021, Kayla was still protecting Adam, and Kayla claimed the injury had happened while Harmony was playing with her younger half-brother and had been hit in the eye with a foam bat. So the similar story that Adam had told Demetrius Toros. Kayla apparently felt the need to continue protecting Adam, even though he'd run off with another woman and left her to care for the three young children they shared. Because when, in 2019, when Adam and Kayla and Harmony were evicted from the Gelford Street home, they had two children, Adam and Kayla did. But since then, they had had another child, because... That makes sense.

• 6:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  So what the police would soon find out was that Kayla had not been truthful during this conversation about when and where she had last seen Harmony. Now Kayla would repeat the same story about last seeing Harmony on November 30th before her Dunkin' Donuts shift in front of a grand jury in May of 2022. And when this claim was investigated, it turned out that Kayla, number one, hadn't even worked at the location she claimed. Number two, she'd been fired on November 23rd for stealing money from the cash register, and this was from a completely different Dunkin' Donuts location. And so she had been fired before even they had been evicted, several days before they were evicted. So how could you have last seen Harmony on November 30th before you went to work at Dunkin'

• 7:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Donuts when you got fired from Dunkin' Donuts on November 23rd?

• 7:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Right, exactly. Makes no sense.

• 7:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, also, according to Kayla, and as so many had suspected, she and Adam were actively using drugs before and after they'd been evicted from the house on Guilford Street.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  I was working up until November 2019 at Dunkin' Donuts. I would work 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. And Adam would be home with the kids while I'm at work. And he would drop me off and pick me up from work because I didn't have a license. And then after he would pick me up, I would be at the house with the kids and he would

• 8:22Speaker 02

  leave some nights because we were using drugs, getting high, using heroin and crack and weed.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  How did you get your drugs?

• 8:37Speaker 02

  I had money from my job.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  And um, that's what I remember up until we got kicked out, evicted from the house.

• 8:53Speaker 03

  Harmony, Declan, and Seamus, how did you support them?

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Um, we had food stamps, um, and my income, which was barely anything at the time.

• 9:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I mean, this, this is one of those things where, you know, listen, I, I dealt with a lot of people who had substance abuse issues. I think many of us have, even if you haven't been in law enforcement. And I think we can all agree that substance abuse, you know, drug addiction, not a good thing. And it doesn't mean that everybody who's dealing with it is a bad person because they started off at some point in a good place. And it just, it got out of control. The issue here is that it's not only affecting Kayla and Adam, it's affecting the children. Because as she mentioned there, they're, they're getting very little income. And what income she is getting from Dunkin' Donuts, she's spending it on drugs. And so essentially they have food stamps and that's about it. But food stamps doesn't cover clothes and all these other things and just a, a quality of a life that comes with that.

• 9:54Derrick Levasseur?

  And so when I think about it, I'm not sitting here, well, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't to a certain degree judging Kayla and Adam. But I just feel for the kids because, and I'm not just talking about Harmony. I'm talking about all their children because they didn't make that choice. And now they're, they're having to deal with the, the consequences of their parents' choices, which anytime I've ever gone into these situations, my heart just breaks over and over again. When I look at these kids and I realize that they were put off behind the eight ball before the minute they were born.

• 10:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I mean, not only, first of all, like you said, food stamps can't cover everything.

• 10:30Derrick Levasseur?

  It can't cover everything. I was on food stamps as a kid, you know?

• 10:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're not, they're not even using the food stamps really to buy food, right? As we're going to find out. They're trading food stamps for drugs. And when Harmony was seen by Uncle Kevin, you know, Adam's Uncle Kevin, he said he brought her to get food at four and she said it was the first food she had all day. So they're obviously not feeding at least Harmony properly, right? Yeah. So, yeah, it's not great. So not only did Adam leave the house to go buy drugs, right? Cause they got one car. So Kayla's saying, I gotta get dropped off at work. I gotta get picked up from work. And then he would leave at night to go buy drugs. Which, by the way, she's also saying that while she's at work during these early morning hours, Adam's at home with the kids, which I cringe to think about what Harmony was going through at that point.

• 11:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not that Kayla was gonna be this protector, but just in general. I kind of had the impression that Adam was more abusive, more horrible to Harmony, for whatever reason, than Kayla was, even though Kayla wasn't, you know, great to Harmony. But Adam would leave the house to go get drugs and then he'd have people come over and sell drugs and then do the drugs while they were there at the house with the kids around. So during one of these occasions, Kayla remembered Adam showing their drug dealing guests some guns that had been stolen from the home of their friends and fellow drug users, Kimberly and Chris Frain. So Chris Frain told the police that on September 29th, 2019, he went shooting with his Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun and Stag Arms AR-15 rifle.

• 12:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  And afterward, he put those two long guns under his bed. And additionally, a Ruger 38 handgun he owned was in a drawer in his bedroom with another gun. So Chris then left home for a construction job and he returned on October 3rd, 2019, at which point he discovered his weapons were missing. So Chris's wife, Kimberly Frain, she testified during Adam Montgomery's weapons trial, because there's two different trials that Adam had to go through, the weapons one and then the one for the murder of Harmony. So at his weapons trial, Kimberly Frain testified that Adam had come over to their place while her husband, Chris, was out of town. She said that Adam was still there and then she fell asleep because they were doing drugs, right? They were doing drugs, let's just say what it is. They're together doing drugs, God knows what else.

• 12:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because if I'm Chris and I'm like, what the hell's Adam doing at my house when I'm out of town? For a work job, but anyways, Adam comes over there doing drugs. Kimberly admitted she fell asleep because she hadn't slept in days due to heavy drug use. And then she fell asleep when Adam's still in her house. And then when she woke up, um, he was gone and she said the door had been left open. So another witness, Mark Reed testified that Adam had texted him on October 3rd, 2019, trying to sell him a 12 gauge shotgun, but Reed didn't have enough cash or heroin. So he was unable to make the purchase. Several other witnesses placed the guns in Adam's possession after they vanished from the Frain home. Kevin LaBelle testified that Adam showed him a shotgun and an AR-15 and LaBelle ended

• 13:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  up buying the shotgun from Adam for $250. Michael Sullivan testified that he saw Adam showing off a shotgun and also saw Adam trading a rifle for drugs.

• 13:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, Stag Arms rifle, by the way, is a very expensive gun.

• 13:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Probably more than he's getting in return for like drugs and money.

• 13:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, if you were to buy it in a store, I mean, at that time it'd be different, but let's just say anywhere from 20, from 2,000 to 2,500 bucks.

• 13:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Michael Sullivan also talked about a conversation that he had with Adam where basically Sullivan was saying, hey, Kimberly Frain claims that our neighbors have like, you know, security cameras. And Adam was like, no, I know that Kimberly's lying about this because if their neighbors had cameras, I would be in jail, right? And then Kayla testified saying that she didn't actually see Adam bring guns into their home the night that they were stolen, but she did later see Adam with the guns in their living room, trying to sell or trade them for drugs. Now this leads into a larger conversation about what the hell was Adam doing? When we look at these people and we're like, how do you guys not have jobs? How do you only have food stamps and you're trading some of your food stamps for drugs? But also you seem to always be doing drugs.

• 14:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's because they were finding a way to get money other places, stealing things from people, selling the things they, they stole, et cetera. The bigger conversation I think is that we have them at a house, 77 Gelford. They have a place to live, they have a roof over their head. They got three kids there at the time and they are not only actively doing drugs all the time, they're not only leaving the house to find drugs, but they are bringing people, their unsavory characters to the house to sell drugs to them, to buy drugs, to do drugs together while these kids are at the house.

• 15:10Derrick Levasseur?

  At minimum, you're looking at a, a scenario where one of the kids could get into the drugs and be seriously hurt or killed.

• 15:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or just see horrible things that go along with

• 15:19Derrick Levasseur?

  That's the other side of this. This isn't, this isn't speculation. When I was doing search warrants, there were multiple times where I had young children who had been sexually assaulted by drug users who were quote unquote, just spending the night there to sleep off whatever high they were going through. Happens all the time. So yeah, you're really putting your, your children in a dangerous situation and clearly Kayla and Adam did not care.

• 15:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, or like they go to sleep and those people are still there. Remember, they had that other person living there that they claimed to Demetrius Toros that, oh, all this drug paraphernalia is this guy's, right? I think his name was Alex Call. But you have that guy living there.

• 15:57Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 15:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  So you're putting your kids in dangerous positions all the time.

• 16:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Then you have also competitors and people that you have issues with who are looking for your money.

• 16:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now they know where you live if they want to come looking for you because you owe them money, right?

• 16:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. Breaking the house and those kids, it's not like, it's like, oh, you know, even the bad guys put the kids in a bubble and you don't get to see any of this. No, they're being exposed to that before having to get up and go to school or whatever they're doing. It's just

• 16:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  They could take the kids.

• 16:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Completely unacceptable or, or the, yeah.

• 16:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  We're going to sell your kids or we're going to keep them until you give us money. Like there's just so many stupid things that could go wrong, scenarios you're, you're potentially causing. So, I mean, but this is the least of what Adam and Kayla do.

• 16:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Without knowing a lot of the story like you do, it does make me wonder if things were this bad, why was Adam pushing so hard for custody of Harmony? Like it can't be for good reasons.

• 16:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  So it's, it's a, it's a back and forth thing. Like they were getting like, you know, over a hundred dollars more a month in food stamps for her.

• 16:57Derrick Levasseur?

  That's what, that's where I'm going with this. Like it had to be a, it had to be a, hey, we can claim her and get a higher amount of government assistance just by having her under our roof.

• 17:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right, because we're, we'll talk about it, but Kayla claims, oh, I haven't seen Harmony since November of 2019 or whatever, right? But you kept her on your food stamps.

• 17:15Derrick Levasseur?

  That's right.

• 17:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  And you kept getting money for it. Okay, so that, that is a thing. Crystal, Harmony's mother believes a lot of it was like a controlling thing too. Like, oh, I'm going to show you.

• 17:25Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, for sure. Petty.

• 17:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 17:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Petty. But I definitely think a part of this was. In Adam's mind, because he's a piece of shit, in my opinion, saw dollar signs, saw an opportunity to increase his revenue, if you will, from, from the government with a very little lift, just to have her under the roof, be able to say, hey, here's my paperwork. Now I'm a father of three. Give me more money. That had to be the motivation here. Plus, the pettiness.

• 17:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, they're gonna get money for every child they have. So when you add another child and then Harmony's got some special needs and things like that, maybe, maybe her food stamps benefit was a little higher than the other two. So, yeah, we don't know the motive, but control money.

• 18:06Derrick Levasseur?

  If Adam was clean and had turned it, and turned it around, then maybe, yeah, he just wants his daughter back. No, this was, this was an opportunity to get more money for drugs.

• 18:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. And then you also have to wonder if it's this bad, which I believe 100% it was. How does Demetrius Torres go there? And he's like, yeah, every time I see Kayla and Adam, they're lucid. They don't seem to be using any drugs. Like, come on, dude.

• 18:25Derrick Levasseur?

  No, I'm sure there was some, some acting going on there, maybe a cleanup of the house. But no, if you dig a little bit and you look under the bed.

• 18:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, apparently not, because there's a freaking drug paraphernalia still there when he does his first unannounced visit, you know, like, no, they were just like, yeah, that's Alex's. We just keep it here, because why not? Like.

• 18:42Derrick Levasseur?

  But imagine how bad it was before he showed up, like, you know, before they knew he was coming.

• 18:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, yeah, because Kayla said, we expected you.

• 18:49Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt, no doubt.

• 18:50Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 19:03Derrick Levasseur?

  We do.

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• 21:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so Kayla also helped fill in the blanks for us about what life was like once they were evicted and living out of a car.

• 21:37Derrick Levasseur?

  When you began living in that car, who were you with?

• 21:40Speaker 02

  It was myself and Adam, Harmony and the two boys.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  Where were you sleeping during that period?

• 21:50Speaker 02

  In the car.

• 21:52Speaker 03

  Where would you keep the car?

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Behind Colonial Village in Manchester.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  Why Colonial Village?

• 21:59Speaker 02

  Because that's where our friend lived.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  What was your friend's name?

• 22:04Speaker 02

  Anthony Boderro.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  Did you tell Mr. Boderro that you were living there in that parking lot?

• 22:11Speaker 02

  He asked us not to, but yes.

• 22:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so when she says friend, Anthony Boderro, she means drug dealer Anthony Boderro. But we'll talk about that soon enough. You know, they had to be close. They had to be close. So they are going and parking behind where he lives in his apartment complex. And she says, "He told us not to, but we did anyway, and he knew about it." And that's going to be important, too. We're going to talk about all that.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  And so can you just describe the sleeping arrangement in that vehicle for you and your family at the time?

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Adam would sleep in the driver's seat.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  I slept in the passenger seat. And Harmony was behind the passenger seat. The baby, Declan, was in the middle, and Seamus was behind the driver's seat.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  Kayla, I asked you earlier about whether Harmony was potty trained when you got custody of her. And I believe you said she was.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  Did that change at some point after the eviction?

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  And tell the jury about that. What happened to Harmony?

• 23:11Speaker 02

  She wouldn't let us know when she had to use the bathroom. And so she was peeing in the car, just in her seat that she was sitting in. And she wouldn't tell us that she had to use the bathroom.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Was she only peeing, or was she having other accidents at the time?

• 23:28Speaker 02

  She was also pooping.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  How frequently was this occurring for Harmony?

• 23:33Speaker 02

  A lot, like at least every day.

• 23:37Speaker 03

  And did those accidents, did they increase in frequency the longer you were in that car?

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:43Speaker 03

  How was the defendant responding when she had these accidents?

• 23:46Speaker 02

  Getting angry.

• 23:49Speaker 03

  Would he do anything physically to her when she had accidents?

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, he would smack her.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  And what does that mean that he would smack her?

• 23:58Speaker 02

  He would smack her in the face, or on her leg, or in her hand.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Were these soft smacks, hard smacks, or something else?

• 24:08Speaker 02

  They were like hurt, stung, smacks.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  What makes you say hurt, stung, smacks?

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Because she was, she would cry during, like, whenever she got smacked by him. And I could hear it, and it sounds like it hurt.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, you could hear the crying, or you could hear the smack?

• 24:31Speaker 02

  Smack, and the cry. The more accidents she had, the more he would get angry. And he would hit her repetitively.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Was the defendant causing visible injuries to Harmony?

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  I'm sorry?

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Yes. When he would hit her, she started getting black eyes. And bruises on her face, on her legs. He would cover her with the comforter that we had in the car.

• 25:03Speaker 03

  Why would he cover her?

• 25:04Speaker 02

  So nobody could see her.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  How often would he cover Harmony?

• 25:09Speaker 02

  All the time. Anytime that we had interference with anybody, no matter who it was.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  Was this only when you went out in public, or was it when you were still in that, that parking lot, or both?

• 25:23Speaker 02

  Both.

• 25:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, I mean, there's a lot I could say here, and I was thinking it while watching that. And I know I'm gonna speak for everybody who's listening or watching right now, but it's not gonna change anything, so I'll keep it to... You guys have been with us long enough to know how I feel after watching that video and the things that I would like to do to Adam. On a lesser note, but not far off, Kayla's in the same category as me. If you're complicit, you're just as guilty, and to sit there, not do anything, not intervene, at minimum, not report it, you're a piece of trash as well, and great, she's sitting here testifying, but she's only doing it to save herself. So I got nothing for her to say that's positive, and, again... There's things that I could say, but I think I don't need to say them. I think most people

• 26:07Derrick Levasseur?

  who are, who are a part of this right now are feeling the same way. It's just, it's terrible.

• 26:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. And so this bitch Kayla, by the way,

• 26:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 26:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  she's sitting here like Harmony wouldn't tell us when she had to go to bullshit.

• 26:17Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, no.

• 26:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bullshit, okay?

• 26:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, hold it. That's what they were telling her. Hold it.

• 26:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, Kayla talks a lot, but there were times that she was like, yeah, I mean Harmony would say she had to go to the bathroom and Adam would get mad. Okay, so, and it would of course make perfect sense that a five-year-old who was fully potty-trained, we heard from multiple people, including Kayla herself, that Harmony was fully potty-trained and not having accidents. And it would make sense that a five-year-old who was fully potty-trained and not having any accidents would regress in this situation.

• 26:43Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt.

• 26:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right?

• 26:44Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt.

• 26:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  She'd been moved from home to home, separated from familiar caregivers, exposed to violence, exposed to drug use, instability, then evicted from at least a house and living in a car with no normal bathroom routine, no access to bathrooms regularly, no privacy, no stability and likely constant fear. And since Harmony was beaten and terrorized every time she had an accident, and it sounds also like from previous testimony from Kayla that she may have been beaten and terrorized every time she said she had to go to the bathroom. Okay, she's going to become more afraid, more anxious, more dysregulated, and that's going to result in her trying to hold it and hide it.

• 27:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 27:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Harmony was no longer in a place where a five-year-old should be, like listening to her body. She's trying to manage her terror. And terror does not help a child maintain control. It obviously strips control completely away. So.

• 27:34Derrick Levasseur?

  It makes perfect sense, right? And what you're saying is without a doubt what happened. She was being abused just for merely saying, I have to use the restroom. So that was causing her not to say it and hold it until the last second. She wasn't just going to the bathroom because she just felt like doing that. It was literally to the point where she was scared to tell them

• 27:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:54Derrick Levasseur?

  she had to use the restroom. So it was a cyclical thing where whether she told them or didn't tell them, she was being beaten.

• 28:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  I agree.

• 28:01Derrick Levasseur?

  It's just, it's just terrible.

• 28:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  And you heard Kayla say Adam would cover her with a blanket.

• 28:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 28:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  It doesn't matter who we were coming across, she would be covered with a blanket so that nobody would see her. And so Adam covered Harmony with this comforter, this blanket, on November 29th, 2019, when his vehicle was involved in a car accident, and Manchester Police Officer Neil Pennington responded to the call on South Wilson Street. Now during the trial, this police officer testified that he only saw two children in Adam Montgomery's vehicle, and Kayla said that was because Adam had covered Harmony up with the comforter because she had a black eye, and he didn't want the police to see her. Now, at the time of this accident, Kayla testified that she, Adam, and another woman, Tabitha Scott, were driving to buy drugs. Now, Tabitha Scott, is she really important in this case? She's

• 28:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  a friend, quote unquote, of Kayla's, once again, just people they do drugs with. Yup. She was asked, Kayla was asked during the trial, like, did Tabitha know Harmony was in the car, even though Harmony was covered up by a comforter? And Kayla's like, yeah, she knew she was in the car. Like, she didn't see her, she was covered, but she knew she was in the car. Tabitha Scott can also, and should also, burn in hell. So, but understand, this is no longer an entire house, where we can even say the adults were doing drugs, and then they found another room to go into, so that the children possibly could have been protected from seeing or being exposed to the drug use. No, they are driving with Tabitha Scott to go and buy drugs, and all of this is happening in the car where they now live in with their three children. Yeah.

• 29:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Let's go back to Thanksgiving, November 28th, 2019. This is the day after Adam and Kayla, along with the other children, were evicted from their house. And that night, Matthew and Courtney Garcia saw Adam, Kayla, and the kids, including Harmony. So, obviously, at this point, Harmony doesn't have black eyes and all of that, because they haven't been living in the car for a few days, she's not getting beaten for having to go to the bathroom. Now, Matthew was a childhood friend of Adam Montgomery's, and the Garcias gave them money for gas and food. And Courtney, at that time, said they were in the Chrysler Sebring, and the car was in bad shape. It had bald tires, it just wasn't looking good. The Garcias offered Adam and Kayla a place to stay for the night, and Courtney said that Adam seemed like he was for it, but he and Kayla ended up not agreeing about something.

• 30:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Staying there and then they left. So let's leave 2019 for a moment. Fast forward back to 2021 when police were trying to figure out where Harmony Montgomery was. So after talking to Kayla on December 31st, officers were able to locate Adam and his new girlfriend, Kelsey Small, and they were sleeping in a vehicle in the area of Harvell Street in Manchester. So Adam was not living in a sober house and he was not in Maine, like Kayla told the police. So Adam told the police a few different things at this point. According to the report, quote, "He made some contradictory statements during our interaction, which raised our suspicion and concern for Harmony's well-being. Initially, Adam told Detective Dunn Levy that Harmony was fine and he had seen her

• 31:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  somewhat recently. However, as our conversation continued, Adam said that he had not seen Harmony since Crystal came to pick her up in Manchester around Thanksgiving of 2019. We each emphasized our primary concern is locating Harmony and establishing that she is safe. Adam stopped answering our questions multiple times and stated, 'I have nothing else to say.' During our interaction with Adam, we stressed our concern that Harmony had not been physically observed in over two years and that we had concern for whether or not she was still alive. Adam did not exhibit much emotion to this. Adam said he believed Harmony was in Massachusetts with her mother. Adam claimed he did not know why Crystal would say anything to the contrary." End quote.

• 31:44Speaker 04

  Hey, keep your hands where I can see them. What's going on?

• 31:47Speaker 05

  He was found sleeping in a car in a Manchester, New Hampshire parking lot on December 31st, 2021, when investigators caught up with Adam Montgomery for the first time.

• 31:58Speaker 04

  It just seems a little strange that you don't, like, you don't want to tell us where she is?

• 32:01Speaker 06

  All right, I just, I got nothing else to say, you guys.

• 32:04Speaker 05

  He repeatedly refused to answer questions in a 45-minute interaction, but did claim she was alive.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  Your daughter's alive?

• 32:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 32:12Speaker 04

  You're sure?

• 32:13Speaker 06

  I'm positive.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  You're, you're...

• 32:16Speaker 06

  I swear on your life. I swear on my life.

• 32:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  So we're gonna hear more from Adam because he's got a police interview coming up and.

• 32:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Swear on your life. If he swears on his life, it must be true.

• 32:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, this guy thinks he's like a gangster. He thinks he's like Mark Wahlberg in some movie where like he has to deal drugs because his family like needs help and you know, he's just on the streets and you'll see. He he talks like he's a like he's Scarface or something, but Adam, you'll you'll find out that Adam has a big problem with the way he was approached by police at this time. He said they they pulled up to him and like rammed his car and then they they took his girlfriend and they told his girlfriend like, listen, you don't know who you're dealing with. He's dangerous. You better get away from him, you know? And he's got a big problem with being characterized this way by the police and treated like such a criminal when they can't prove that he did anything. Now, at that time, his girlfriend, 27-year-old Kelsey Small, who was originally from Maine,

• 33:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  told police that she'd been with Adam for over a year and she was aware that he had four children with two different mothers, the three from Kayla and then Harmony with Crystal. Although she said she was also aware that he was not in touch with any of the children from his prior relationships. So after being found in a car with Adam Montgomery in December of 2021, this girl, Kelsey, her situation quickly deteriorated. So obviously, she's using drugs as well. This is why they're together. Goffstown, New Hampshire, police records showed she was arrested outside the sober home where she was living in March of 2022. She was charged with a DUI. That was her second offense. She was released and due in court the following week, but on March 13th, five days after her arrest,

• 33:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Kelsey was found dead in a Manchester hotel room from a suspected drug overdose.

• 33:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Shocker.

• 33:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So by the time Adam Montgomery would go on trial for the murder of his daughter, Kelsey was not able to testify and speak for herself. But her grandfather, Douglas Small, did testify and he said that Adam and Kelsey had stayed with him for two periods in Carmel, Maine in 2021, and the second time he had driven to Manchester to pick them up and bring them back to Maine. And before they left Maine for that second time, he gave Kelsey his 2006 Grey Pontiac Grand Prix so that they could get back to Manchester, which is the vehicle that Kelsey and. Adam were found in by the police in December of 2021. So on December 31st, 2021, a family court judge gave New Hampshire, DCYF, legal authority

• 34:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  to step in and supervise Harmony's welfare, even though Adam Montgomery was still technically her sole and legal guardian. This is at the end of 2021, right? And the judge is like, okay, DCYF, you can now step in and, and you can, you know, do something, you can have some power here. Now, this was done through an emergency abuse slash neglect order called an ex parte order, meaning it could be issued without Adam being present in court because the situation was urgent. So the order specifically told Adam that he had to cooperate with Manchester Police and help them find Harmony. So then Detective Riley personally handed Adam that court order at about 4:10 PM on December 31st. But when detectives told Adam that he now had to provide information about where Harmony

• 35:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  was because of this court order, right? Adam refused. He told them, arrest me or I'm leaving. And then he stopped answering questions. So they did not arrest him on that day, but Adam would be arrested on January 4th, 2022, which was just, you know, about four days later, on the following charges: second degree assault from the July 2019 Black Eye incident, interference with custody, and two charges of endangering the welfare of a child. And so then after his arrest, Adam was taken to an interrogation room and read his Miranda rights where he continued to be uncooperative and he continued to be at the least a cocky bastard and at the most, a completely unfeeling sociopath.

• 36:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  And this is where I said, like, you'll see, I mean, you've dealt, you're kind of from this area, right? Rhode Island. Yeah. You were a police detective. I'm sure you have sat across the interview table from dozens of Adam Montgomerys and seen them act exactly this way and seen them sort of have this whole demeanor about them, like, like they are somebody, like they have a right and a reason to be offended that they're even talking to you. So let's see how this went and how you react to it.

• 36:29Speaker 07

  Before we go forward, can we get a cigarette in here? So.

• 36:35Speaker 07

  There's a

• 36:37Speaker 07

  A sensor in there. So I'll work on getting you a cigarette at some point. I can't, I can't promise you one right now just because the room we're in and if this starts going off, I don't wanna flood the building, you know what I mean? It's like they're gonna go off? That thing will. The sprinkler, so.

• 36:55Speaker 07

  But at some point, we'll work on getting you. I know we have cigarettes in here. I know where they are, okay? You hear what I'm saying?

• 37:02Speaker 07

  Uh, do you need a water? I don't need nothing. You're good, okay. Are you okay? No, I'm okay. Okay, what's, what sign okay? I don't think so. Alright, let's talk about why we're here to talk.

• 37:16Speaker 07

  Tell me what you wanna say. Tell me what you know. I don't know nothing. Well, what was our conversation about the other day? You said you had a couple of questions you wanted to ask me. Yeah, I have a few questions. Well, what was our conversation about the other day? Remember, we met, I mean, you remember that was only, what, a few days ago, right?

• 37:41Speaker 07

  We had a lot of worried people and scared people right now in the community. I know you're worried about the well-being of your daughter. And I kinda wanna get ahead of this because I don't want you to be painted as a monster. Well, that's what you guys are already doing. Are you? No, no, we're not. Oh, yeah, yeah. How's, can you explain this?

• 38:05Speaker 07

  She guys are already trying to do, man.

• 38:09Speaker 07

  Explain to me how I'm trying to make you or whoever is trying to make you out to be a monster. Who, who's telling you that stuff?

• 38:17Speaker 07

  Is some, is there, is there somebody from, that I work with that told you that?

• 38:22Speaker 07

  Somebody you're close with that they told you that? No.

• 38:26Speaker 07

  Alright.

• 38:28Speaker 07

  We understand this whole thing is getting a little out of hand, would you agree?

• 38:32Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 38:33Speaker 07

  So that's why.

• 38:35Speaker 06

  Look, this is just the way you guys are going about it.

• 38:38Speaker 07

  And again.

• 38:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, not you specifically, but yeah, nobody comes out there like that for a second degree assault charge, nobody. Better us for worse charges, they don't come out and throw fucking flashbangs at my girlfriend's car and ram us into the fucking god rail, they don't do that. For a second degree assault charge.

• 38:56Speaker 07

  Yeah. You understand what the charges are, right?

• 39:00Speaker 06

  Second degree assault, right?

• 39:02Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 39:02Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 39:03Speaker 07

  There's also an endangering the welfare charge.

• 39:06Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 39:07Speaker 07

  And uh interference with custody. Okay, so.

• 39:11Speaker 06

  So how did I interfere with custody?

• 39:13Speaker 07

  So that paperwork that we served you the other day, remember that?

• 39:16Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 39:17Speaker 07

  When they were in the alleyway, you remember outside of Long Lake Gap?

• 39:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:21Speaker 07

  There's paperwork that you have to comply with. You understand that, right? We had that conversation, did we not? Right?

• 39:31Speaker 07

  So that's, that's what that's all about.

• 39:32Speaker 06

  So second degree assault charge, what is this re- referring to?

• 39:36Speaker 07

  Well, that's what we wanna talk to you about.

• 39:38Speaker 06

  Explain to me, what if I made a charge with it, what the hell, why did you charge with it, what?

• 39:42Speaker 07

  Well, your daughter had some injuries. That, that you know about when you lived on Guilford Street.

• 39:49Speaker 06

  No, I do not.

• 39:52Speaker 06

  What are you referring to?

• 39:54Speaker 07

  Well, you were there, I wasn't, right?

• 39:55Speaker 06

  What are you referring to?

• 39:57Speaker 07

  I'm referring to her having some good marks.

• 40:00Speaker 06

  What are you referring to?

• 40:02Speaker 07

  Marks that were left on her by you.

• 40:04Speaker 06

  Absolutely not, I had nothing else to say.

• 40:08Speaker 07

  Like, um?

• 40:10Speaker 06

  No.

• 40:10Speaker 07

  We talked about how, how we were worried about your daughter the other day, right?

• 40:13Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 40:13Speaker 07

  Do you remember that conversation?

• 40:14Speaker 06

  I remember that conversation, but right off the rip, but the way you approached the conversation, you guys are completely out of line, so.

• 40:20Speaker 07

  Me?

• 40:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:21Speaker 07

  Do I, in, in the time you've known me, which is.

• 40:24Speaker 06

  What you just said to me, you guys are completely out of line.

• 40:27Speaker 07

  Okay, but so explain to me, how are we out of line?

• 40:29Speaker 06

  I have nothing to explain.

• 40:31Speaker 07

  Okay, but wouldn't you rather explain it so you, we can make sense of it than just have? Other people side of the story?

• 40:39Speaker 07

  Like, you wanna defend yourself and like, this picture people are painting of you? Now's your chance, man.

• 40:47Speaker 06

  Who's telling you these things?

• 40:51Speaker 07

  People that were close to you.

• 40:53Speaker 06

  Obviously not.

• 40:54Speaker 07

  Well, maybe at the time, maybe not anymore.

• 40:58Speaker 06

  Right off the rip, that there was

• 41:03Speaker 06

  something wrong with my daughter because of me. No, that's bullshit.

• 41:07Speaker 07

  Okay, so if your daughter had marks on her at some point when you lived over there? How would you explain those? How was she getting those marks?

• 41:19Speaker 06

  Well, I would love to know when that marks were there because DCYF came to my house multiple times.

• 41:24Speaker 07

  Okay, and we know, we know that they came there.

• 41:27Speaker 06

  Right, and, and closed the case.

• 41:30Speaker 07

  Okay. Do we know that DCYF is the flagship agency in, in the country?

• 41:38Speaker 06

  No, but

• 41:41Speaker 06

  if there was significant marks like you're referring to, I believe they would have flagged something at that point and they would have said something. They wouldn't have came there and seen that the kids were well taken care of. All the kids loved being at the house with me.

• 41:52Derrick Levasseur?

  There's so much to unpack there. First off, I love how even the detective throws out there to this criminal, career criminal, like, hey, we all know DCYF doesn't always do the best job. And you're like, yeah, yeah, we know that.

• 42:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, they're like the end all be all, right?

• 42:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, they're not like the flagship. He said flagship, but like, he meant like, they're not the standard of like, doing a proper investigation. Not saying all of them, but there's, this isn't the first time this story happened.

• 42:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think he kinda meant like, there's higher agencies and those higher agencies are now looking into it. So like, we don't care what DCYF said.

• 42:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I, I took it as like, they came there and said, there was nothing to report. And he's like, yeah, well, we all know. You know, they're not the flagship. Anyways, as far as the actual interview, you look at the body language, this is someone without having a baseline for Adam. Someone who's closed off, shoulders are forward, kinda hunched over, looking down at the table, just defeated.

• 42:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Defeated? He doesn't seem defeated to me. He seems like cocky. Like, why am I even here?

• 42:46Derrick Levasseur?

  But yeah, but there are things within his body. That are contradictory to what he's trying to present himself as being confident and completely innocent in all of this. The body language doesn't align with what's coming out of his mouth. However, one similarity, and you kind of alluded to this at the beginning, that I see with all of these types of people, whether it's for a drug crime, crime of violence, whatever it is, they're always the victim. They're always the victim. They're just being painted as the bad guy. This is, you know, police are after them, their families after them. They're just being railroaded here. This is just another example of them getting a bad break, you know? Life has just been unfair to them.

• 43:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  I always constantly misunderstood.

• 43:26Derrick Levasseur?

  And I gotta tell you, as the detective in that room, it takes a little piece of your soul every time you have to go in there and placate to these ass clowns. Because you have to almost, you have to entertain them. Oh, this is your opportunity. Listen.

• 43:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, cuz they really wanna find out what happened to Harmony. We gotta figure it out, and this fricking guy knows. We gotta find out from him, and he wants to talk about like, ah, I've been arrested a second degree, worse than a second degree assault charge before. They don't throw flashbangs at your car and ram you into the guardrail. Like, you need to talk, we need to talk about how poorly I was treated.

• 44:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep, and he's giving them, they're giving them a cigarette and all this stuff. They're actually, their stomachs are turning right now. And I will say, without jumping too far ahead in this interview, cuz I don't know where it's gonna go, if these investigators have been doing it a while, and I'm sure they put their best people on this case, you already know by his responses and the deflection that's going on, that whatever happened to Harmony, it ain't good.

• 44:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  And that he's not gonna tell you, but they gotta try, but they gotta try.

• 44:27Derrick Levasseur?

  And, and you gotta be, just by his reaction, where he could have ended this right now and say, hey, she's over here. Get me out of here. You know, at minimum, she's either been given to somebody that she shouldn't have been, or she's no longer with us. You already know.

• 44:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  The possibilities are running through their heads.

• 44:43Derrick Levasseur?

  You're you're not thinking this is gonna have a happy ending.

• 44:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so I will also say like, yes, he does seem defeated. He does kind of seem like, man, I know this is the end of the road. Like, I had away with this for far longer than I thought I was going to, right?

• 44:55Derrick Levasseur?

  He's not gonna be able to produce harmony.

• 44:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's the end of 2021. She's been gone since, at the very least, the beginning of 2020. So I got away with this for a long time, but he's still thinking like, they're not gonna get shit from me. Like, I know that they're gonna get me, but I won't give them the

• 45:13Derrick Levasseur?

  The satisfaction of

• 45:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  The satisfaction of helping them.

• 45:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, he's also a career criminal. He knows the legality of it, and it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. And so his only hope at this point is that these guys are idiots and they do a bad investigation and there's a technicality. And the irony that we're sitting here talking about this because this

• 45:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  There's a technicality.

• 45:31Derrick Levasseur?

  There's a technicality, but he knows that the only way to get him out of this situation is to bring harmony forward. And he knows, even before detectives, that this situation's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better, because right now it's a second degree assault charge, but that's to get him in the door to find harmony. And then he knows they're not gonna find her, so he knows he's not going anywhere.

• 45:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he also knows they're they're they have the second degree assault charge based on something that happened in July of 2019 that according to D C Y F was not actually an issue, so they really can't hold him for very long with this.

• 46:04Derrick Levasseur?

  Ah, I disagree. I disagree. Maybe they let him out. I'll be shocked if you tell me they do. But now that they have him in the door, he has to produce harmony.

• 46:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, he's gonna keep saying the same thing, and that's because, as you said, he did end up going on trial. He did end up getting convicted of Harmony's murder.

• 46:21Derrick Levasseur?

  That's right.

• 46:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  And now his conviction's overturned because of a technicality. If they had her body, then this might not be such a quick overturn at this point. Like, they're they were they might not even have needed to present all the evidence that allowed for the overturn to happen if they had recovered Harmony's body. But at this point, Adam's gatekeeping that. And in in 2021, when he's talking to the police, he's gatekeeping it again, because he's like, do what you want, but you won't. You won't have me bring you to the evidence you need to put me behind bars for life.

• 46:48Derrick Levasseur?

  And correct me if I'm wrong on this, because it's been a little bit, but the the whole reason we're doing this and the technicality is the second degree assault that was kind of combined with the with the murder charge. And and that's why The, the court argued, or I should say the defense argued that it should have been separate. And because it wasn't, he didn't get a fair trial. And that's the whole reason we're here.

• 47:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're saying that presenting that evidence was that previous abuse was, was going to bias the jury.

• 47:17Derrick Levasseur?

  Of course. Oh, he beat up a child, so therefore he must be a killer.

• 47:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes.

• 47:21Derrick Levasseur?

  And by the way, spoiler alert, you're right.

• 47:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes. And it is exactly from that July 2019 Black Eye that, that this technicality happened. Yeah.

• 47:30Derrick Levasseur?

  But this right here, guys, for everyone that's not, you know, for all the interviews we don't have and we just have to relay them to you. I can tell you they look similar to this right here.

• 47:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  So let's take a quick break. We'll be right back and continue on with Adam and his bullshit.

• 47:47Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 47:54Derrick Levasseur?

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• 47:56Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 48:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Which is unfortunate because leggings and a sweatshirt do communicate a very honest message.

• 48:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, for me, that message is I'm tired and emotionally burnt out right now, which is fine for certain situations, but not all of them.

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• 48:33Derrick Levasseur?

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• 48:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Exactly. I do enough of that professionally. I don't want to be cross-examining a blouse at 11:00 PM.

• 48:41Derrick Levasseur?

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• 49:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're back. So the detectives kept asking Adam about Harmony's black eye in July of 2019. He kept insisting he had no idea what they were talking about. He was acting outright offended that they had the audacity to think he could do anything. He could, how could you think I could leave marks on my daughter? And he was like, significant marks? What's that even mean? What's that even mean? You know, he kept going back and forth. So then they start talking about when he, Kayla, and the kids were evicted from the Guilford Street home. And this seems to touch a nerve with Adam because we'll find out that there's kind of a restraining order from Kayla. Now Adam can't go near her and the kids, and he's really upset about it. And he's like, I can't even see my kids. And he's freaking out. And it's like, according to Kayla, you haven't seen her in over a

• 50:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  year at this. She hasn't even heard from you since November of, I think, 20, maybe it's been at least a few months. She doesn't know where he is. He's left with another woman, but he's really upset now that because of all this, he can't see his kids.

• 50:41Speaker 06

  I don't know, right around Thanksgiving sometimes, the sheriffs came and threw us out.

• 50:46Speaker 07

  And then?

• 50:46Speaker 06

  And then me, Harmony, and Declan, Sheamus, and Kayla left.

• 50:52Speaker 07

  And where the heck did you guys go from there?

• 50:55Speaker 06

  We were in our car.

• 50:56Speaker 07

  Oh, so you got, so you lived in your car at that time?

• 50:59Speaker 06

  For...

• 51:01Speaker 06

  A couple of days.

• 51:03Speaker 07

  How how'd you get up that that situation? Like who who took you in or where'd you guys end up?

• 51:07Speaker 06

  We ended up at our mom's house, Kelsey's mom's house.

• 51:10Speaker 07

  Okay, and and what's her her name?

• 51:13Speaker 06

  Chris.

• 51:13Speaker 07

  Chris, how how she, well, I mean, she must be okay if she willing to take you guys in.

• 51:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, all right, they're like, all right, I I I, you know what, man, like, I don't even wanna talk anymore, like, this is just. Beating around the bush, man, it just seems a little too silly to me.

• 51:29Speaker 07

  Well, I'm trying to figure out who can substantiate your claims that there's like you're not this like monster or person that. Either D C Y F made you out to be, or your your family who you can get along with, or whoever.

• 51:42Speaker 06

  But yeah, no. Well, yeah. But to sit there, man, and and and and sit there and tell me you yourself too, like, this is why I feel like it's just all bullshit, this is just a game, I know it is, and let's go, good.

• 51:54Speaker 07

  We're just trying to give you the opportunity to explain yourself.

• 51:56Speaker 06

  You're sitting there telling me not to make myself, not to make me out to look like some monster. Well, I told my girlfriend the other day that she should get the fuck away from me, that I don't you don't even know who I am and what my past is like, and all types of crazy shit like. But sit there and look me in my face.

• 52:10Speaker 07

  I I'm I think, are you talking about Kelsey?

• 52:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:13Speaker 07

  Okay, I think Kelsey might be exaggerating a little bit.

• 52:17Speaker 06

  Right. I don't know her exaggerate like that.

• 52:20Speaker 07

  It wasn't us talking to Kelsey, you know. There's other, there's other people talking to her, just so you know.

• 52:25Speaker 06

  She she she told me, she gave me your card and said this was the guy that said it.

• 52:29Speaker 07

  Okay, well, I'm telling you that I didn't say that. But if you wanna believe her, that's fine.

• 52:36Speaker 06

  I mean, she never had no reason to lie to me, so I don't know why what she could lie about at that point.

• 52:41Speaker 07

  I'm trying to understand, I don't know your timeline of life, man, you're there, I'm I'm not, that's why I'm trying to ask you these questions to.

• 52:47Speaker 06

  I already clarified it. I already told you the other day what she inspired. So we weren't, we didn't all didn't even go to her mother's house.

• 52:55Speaker 07

  Okay, who didn't go to her mother's?

• 52:57Speaker 06

  Tommy was all.

• 52:59Speaker 07

  Well, there's some discrepancies between what you're telling us and what.

• 53:03Speaker 07

  Other people are telling us, you're saying you brought her down to mass, that somebody said she came up for mass.

• 53:07Speaker 06

  I never once said I brought her down to mass.

• 53:11Speaker 07

  What did you say, she came up here to get her?

• 53:13Speaker 06

  I never once said, she, I was audio video recording the other day. I never once said I went down to mass.

• 53:20Speaker 07

  So you're saying that she came up for mass?

• 53:23Speaker 06

  I'm not saying anything else.

• 53:28Speaker 07

  Why is it that you refuse to talk about her every time we bring her up? Because you guys are just sitting here beating a fucking a bush. It's over and over. You guys asked me what happened the other day. I told you what happened. You wouldn't tell us the other day. You guys talked to me the other day. I explained to him what happened the other day. And now. Can I just, it was just, it was just a charade. Yep. No, don't worry about it. Not under arrest. And I'll come up with some fucking bullshit. You did arrest you. No, the other day, no, but then you had a fucking SWAT team roll up on me and, and, and, and, and the fucking D-Techs following me around for the last three days. Yeah, and people are coming out of the woodwork. That's what we're trying to tell you. Like, we don't want you to be painted as a monster. We want you to maybe explain yourself a little bit and give us some side of your story.

• 54:10Speaker 07

  We have nothing. We have just what we hear from people. You keep locking up on us. You don't want to tell us anything about her.

• 54:15Speaker 06

  I got nothing else to say. I think you care about all my kids. Right, but the one I care the most about is your daughter Harmony. My job is not to jam somebody up for something that they didn't do wrong. And if you can tell me that you didn't do anything wrong, then I want to believe you because, dude, I've met you now a few times. I helped you out when you were at the hospital when you were having a fucking meltdown. You told me about your kids. I sat there and I talked to you. Dude, I could have fucking tased you right there and I didn't do that because I saw deep down inside that you were hurting and that I wanted to help you.

• 54:55Speaker 06

  Right now, all I'm trying to do is help your daughter. I want to bring her home and I can't do that without your help.

• 55:06Speaker 06

  Dude, I can't do that without your help.

• 55:12Speaker 06

  Help, hey, can you look at me? Help me, please. All, that's all I'm asking for. I can't sleep until I know that she's okay. And I know that you know where she is or what happened to her, but I can't do it without your help. And if you don't want to look like this fucking animal, because I don't think you are. Not that I don't think you are. I know you aren't, but. I can only do so much for you, man.

• 55:43Speaker 07

  I know.

• 55:44Speaker 06

  I'm, I'm begging you to help me.

• 55:48Speaker 07

  It's okay guys.

• 55:49Speaker 06

  Hey, can you make me a promise? Like, man to man? Can you tell me that she's alive?

• 55:57Speaker 07

  You're gonna play the same word games that you played with me the other day?

• 56:00Speaker 06

  It's not word games.

• 56:01Speaker 07

  I got nothing else to say. Those we care about, we wanna know.

• 56:05Speaker 06

  This isn't gonna, this isn't gonna go anywhere. Like, this isn't gonna stop.

• 56:08Speaker 07

  No, I know it's not.

• 56:10Speaker 06

  So...

• 56:12Speaker 07

  Either get on the bus now or get run over. I got nothing else to say. Why is it you have some trouble talking to her, Armani? I just got, I got nothing else to say.

• 56:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, so there it is, right? So, first off, great job by the detectives. I, it's almost like I was talking about earlier where you're having to kind of like entertain this person. He doesn't believe any, the detective doesn't believe anything he's saying at that point. "I know you're not a monster," translation, "I know you're a monster." Right? It's, it's just, but you have to play that game. However, there's some body language cues in there that tell you what you need to know without Adam saying anything. The lean back in the chair, the look up at the sky, the hands kind of flexing in his, you know, he's holding his hands together. And then the actual words, right? There's a moment where he says, "I know." And, you know, "I got no," then he just goes back to, "I got nothing else to say."

• 56:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, that's it buddies, that's it.

• 57:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep, he asks him directly, "Is she still alive?" "I can't tell you that." So he knows, they know.

• 57:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, he said, "We're not playing the same word games," 'cause that's what they asked him, remember? When he said, "I swear on my life," he's like, "We're not playing the same word games that you've asked me before," which is like, "I'm not answering you directly," yeah.

• 57:16Derrick Levasseur?

  And then once he finally says the magic words, "I want a lawyer," that's when, you can say, "I have nothing else to say," even after being Mirandized, you saying, "I have nothing else to say," that doesn't require detectives to stop asking you questions. However, when you say, "I want a lawyer," that's endgame.

• 57:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's it.

• 57:32Derrick Levasseur?

  That's endgame, yeah.

• 57:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's a wrap.

• 57:33Derrick Levasseur?

  But he said a lot without saying much.

• 57:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  He did, and I think, I, I do also wanna point out that he's an active drug user. A lot of his fidgeting, a lot of the things he was doing with his hands, obviously him insisting he had a cigarette, these are all things he's trying to do because he's not able to do drugs right now, right? He's gonna be there for several hours.

• 57:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he's having with... Yeah, but there's if you look at it again, very small baseline. But if you're looking for the subtleties that are different than what you've witnessed throughout the entire interrogation, anybody can do this. You look at that video that Stephanie has showed to us this entire video and 99.9% of it, he's in the same position with the same posture. It's not until the detective looks at him in the eye closely touches his arm and asks him right out about specifically about Harmony and where she is in that he knows where she is and he can help that at that moment, he finally subconsciously breaks his hands, leans back and looks up almost at the sky. It sounds like nothing, but when you compare it to the entire

• 58:33Derrick Levasseur?

  interview, that's the first moment where they tried to really back him into a corner about Harmony and there was no way for him to get out because the detective was being super nice that he finally goes, yep, I give up. They got me. I got nothing here. Guys, I got nothing else to say. So is that enough to get a conviction? No. But when you're looking for those minor nonverbal cues, to me, that's a moment where this guy has a similar posture throughout the entire interview, but he breaks that when he's asked a question that he has a lot of anxiety about because he knows the the answer to those questions.

• 59:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and he's not going to say them and he knows he's not going to say them.

• 59:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep, but he deviated from his consistent behavior throughout this entire video and that to me is more telling than anything he said.

• 59:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, you heard Adam mention that they had stayed with Kayla's mother for a little bit after being evicted and that is true. But before that, they were living in the Chrysler Sebring that they parked behind the Colonial Village Apartments where their drug dealer Anthony Boderow lived. So Boderow testified that he had met Adam Montgomery in August of 2019. Boderow had needed a ride to court. He called someone he knew and asked for a ride. This person told Boderow that he couldn't give him a ride, but this person was with another friend, Adam, who would be able to give Anthony Boderow a ride to court. So Adam showed up to pick up Anthony Boderow with Kayla, their two sons and Harmony. And Boderow testified that this was the first time he had met Harmony and the second time and last time he saw her was about

• 59:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  three to four weeks after that. So Anthony Boderow also testified that in 2019, he sold both Adam and Kayla Montgomery drugs.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  How often would you sell the defendant and Kayla drugs?

• 1:00:15Speaker 06

  Whenever I had any available.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  How frequently was that?

• 1:00:20Speaker 06

  Not frequent.

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  Were you actively selling drugs back then?

• 1:00:25Speaker 06

  When I did have, yes.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  And how would they pay you when they would, when they would purchase those drugs?

• 1:00:32Speaker 06

  They would either pay me with cash or they would sell me food stamps.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Let's talk about that.

• 1:00:40Speaker 06

  Yes, sir.

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  What do you mean when you say they would sell you food stamps?

• 1:00:45Speaker 06

  Well.

• 1:00:48Speaker 06

  They were, I would give them half of whatever they gave me in food stamps.

• 1:00:56Speaker 03

  Let me back up. What type of drugs were they buying from you back then?

• 1:01:01Speaker 06

  Um, heroin and crap.

• 1:01:03Derrick Levasseur?

  So this is what I was referring to earlier. We dealt with this every single day. When, when we were narcotics, you would have people who are getting food stamps through government assistance. Let's say they have a hundred dollars in food stamps. They would go to a drug dealer or even like some of our local like convenience stores. And there would be like a markup like you would, because they have the EBT card, right? So what they would do in those cases is you go up to the register and it'd usually be the owner who's also running the register. They wouldn't buy anything, maybe like a stick of gum, just for like the camera purposes. But they would go up there and they would punch in a hundred dollars, right? Like if he said, we're going to do a hundred bucks, they would punch in a hundred dollars on the scanner. They would scan the card and then in return, the store owner would give them back sixty dollars in cash.

• 1:01:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Right? So they're getting, there's a forty dollar markup there where the, for the, for the risk.

• 1:01:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  So the, the store owner is aware that this is happening and shouldn't be happening?

• 1:01:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Stephanie, do you know how many times we hit stores that were doing this all the time? Like this was such a common thing.

• 1:02:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  How do the stores benefit from it, I guess?

• 1:02:04Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, think about it, right? So someone comes in there, okay, they buy no product, right? They give them a hundred dollars towards the EB, on the EBT card, which is good as cash for them, right? And instead of giving them the full hundred dollars back, they're only giving them sixty back. So they're making forty dollars and this is happening throughout the day.

• 1:02:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  So it's as good as cash to the store?

• 1:02:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh yeah, when it's like that, it's like a debit card.

• 1:02:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay.

• 1:02:29Derrick Levasseur?

  It's an EBT card. It's just like a debit card where they're getting paid by, it's a, it's a government debit card essentially. Where back, what he's talking about is actual food stamps.

• 1:02:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  There should be maybe like a different system where. That can't happen.

• 1:02:42Derrick Levasseur?

  It's difficult. Think about it. Like, think about the oversight. How do you regulate what people are, if they're doing this?

• 1:02:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, I mean, if they're not buying anything, then there should be some sort of like-

• 1:02:52Derrick Levasseur?

  But on the receipt, it would look like it. They'll punch in bananas and cereal and milk.

• 1:02:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so, okay.

• 1:02:58Derrick Levasseur?

  But they're not actually, so they're, they're charging them for goods, but they're getting to keep those goods.

• 1:03:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're charging them for goods they're not actually selling, so they get to sell them twice.

• 1:03:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Exactly. Exactly. So they're getting to sell them twice. So what we, our strategy, yeah, we went after the, the drug users, but my real focus was going after the, the actual stores.

• 1:03:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  The, the people who were being accomplices to this, yeah.

• 1:03:19Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. The millionaires that were actually doing this and making a ton of money by doing it. Like, the same thing was going on with baby formula. There was a lot of that, but this was happening all the time, but there was a point where the food stamps were paper and you could just hand it over to them. And like he's saying, and he didn't explain it that great, but they would give him a hundred dollars in food stamps and in return, he would give them fifty dollars in crack. So he's making fifty bucks.

• 1:03:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Derrick Levasseur?

  On top of the money, he's, he's charging them double for the heroin that, or the crack that would usually cost fifty bucks. And the risk is he then has to convert those food stamps, which he can do, you know, pretty easily, so.

• 1:03:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, then once again, he, he is, uh, able to sell his product twice.

• 1:04:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Basically, okay. So this is important for many reasons because remember, Kayla said that they were using money, her money from work to buy drugs and the food stamps to provide for the children, but as it turns out, Kayla and Adam had no problem trading in these exact food stamps that were provided to them as a public assistance for heroin and crack. And additionally, it makes sense why Kayla was in such a hurry to add Harmony to her benefits in February of 2019, when Adam secured full custody. Now, once again, we, we talked about this earlier. Am I saying this was the motive? Or the reason of why Adam went after full custody of Harmony? I'm not saying it's the only reason, but I do believe it was one of it.

• 1:04:40Derrick Levasseur?

  Contributing factor, passive income? Absolutely.

• 1:04:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So in 2021, both Adam and Kayla told the police that Harmony had gone back to live with her mother, Crystal, in November- 2019, meaning she no longer lived with them and Harmony should have been removed from the family's benefits account. However, police and prosecutors have proved that Kayla and Adam continued collecting food stamp benefits for Harmony. And when Kayla was confronted with this in 2021, she claimed she had previously attempted to have Harmony removed, but she was unsuccessful. But police obtained DHHS case management records. Those records showed that Kayla had not requested or attempted to remove Harmony until June 2, 2021. More than a year and a half after Kayla claimed Harmony no longer lived with them, right?

• 1:05:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Adam and Kayla get evicted from 77 Goldford Street. Anthony Boderow gave them permission to park their car behind the Colonial Park Apartments where he lived. At which point he continues to sell them drugs, sometimes trading drugs for food stamps. Kayla testified that during the time they were staying behind the Colonial Park Apartments. Anthony Boderow saw Harmony and the other two boys and would wave at them. She also said that Boderow brought them Thanksgiving leftovers while they were in the Sebring and that he saw Harmony at that time. And then he and Harmony waved at each other, but according to Anthony Boderow. This never happened and he didn't even know where Adam, Kayla and the kids and their car were between Thanksgiving and the time they showed up on his doorstep. In early December.

• 1:06:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  So this is where things start to become muddled and you're like, is Anthony Boderow lying about knowing they were back there and seeing Harmony? Because he doesn't want to seem like an accomplice? Or was he in some way an accomplice? And that's why he's lying and that's why he's like, I didn't even know they were back there because. Once again, they were definitely back there. It's because the search warrants were obtained from Facebook and Google. And location data from Google was consistent with the Montgomerys staying at the Colonial Village parking lot from approximately November 27. Which is when they got evicted until December 8 of 2019.

• 1:06:47Derrick Levasseur?

  He knew they were back there.

• 1:06:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  He knew they were back there, right?

• 1:06:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Hundred percent. And listen, a drug dealer, you know your surroundings, you want to watch out for police, you're always looking for narcs, you're looking for surveillance vehicles, you're looking for other, you know, rivals. That close in proximity. Either it's from word or mouth, or you're just driving by yourself. You're gonna know they're back there. He was enabling them. He knew exactly what they were doing when they were coming in the house full of desperation. Selling their kids food stamps for half the value because they can't exchange those food stamps for drugs. You know, he knew he was taking food out of those kids mouths and he never stopped. He never even said at that point, hey, listen, man, I know the business I'm in, but I got a conscience. I can't be doing that. Nope. He gladly took the money for half the price of what the value was.

• 1:07:31Derrick Levasseur?

  And he took advantage of their addictions, for sure. He's a scumbag as well. No doubt about it.

• 1:07:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, cuz even Anthony Boderro's girlfriend, who was living with him, were like, yeah, we brought them Thanksgiving leftovers.

• 1:07:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he knew.

• 1:07:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so he was like, I have no idea where they were staying until they showed up. In like, you know, the first week of December, but he knew. So why are you lying, you know?

• 1:07:53Derrick Levasseur?

  He knows, as much as he's trying to hide it, that indirectly, he was contributing to the lack of food and the malnutrition that these kids were experiencing because he was enabling these parents to go and take the money that was intended for them and use it for something else. So.

• 1:08:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  Also, I think there's something to say that he knew Harmony was being abused. Because remember, from the time they start living in the car, Harmony's starting to have accidents. Adam's hitting her, she has black eyes and marks on her, and he's hiding her with a comfort whenever anyone sees her. But according to Kayla, Anthony Boderro would see Harmony and he would wave at her. So we can assume during that time, after Thanksgiving and before December 7th, when the police believe Harmony was killed, that Anthony Boderro saw her with marks on her face cuz she wasn't hidden by a comforter, when nobody else could see her. So I think there's an implication of that as well.

• 1:08:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, no doubt. He's just trying to separate himself as much as he can. That's what these guys all do, right?

• 1:08:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:46Derrick Levasseur?

  What they're selling and what they're doing contributes to a lot of crime in the area that they're selling these drugs. And that's why it's so important to get these guys off the street cuz it's not just the selling of drugs. It's the larcenies, it's the robberies, it's the sexual assaults, it's the child neglect, it's murder.

• 1:09:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  The domino effect. Yeah.

• 1:09:03Derrick Levasseur?

  And they know they're just trying to separate themselves and compartmentalize what they do as like, hey, we just sell drugs. We're not involved in anything else.

• 1:09:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Kayla's mother, Christina Lubin, said that shortly after the eviction, Kayla called her and told her that they had a flat tire and they didn't have money to fix it.

• 1:09:19Speaker 07

  I was leaving to leave for the day, so I left the money in a cooler in my side hallway so that they could get their tire fixed.

• 1:09:29Speaker 04

  Money in a cooler?

• 1:09:30Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:09:30Speaker 04

  Could you describe what the cooler looked like?

• 1:09:33Speaker 05

  It was a red cooler with a white top that would flip open.

• 1:09:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, this cooler is very important, which is why we're talking about it. So put a pin in that. Christina Lubin testified that she only met Harmony once shortly after Thanksgiving of 2019. So around the time they got evicted and she remembered Harmony with pigtails and glasses. She described her as adorable, quiet and seemingly okay. But when Adam, Kayla and the boys returned to Christina Lubin's home that December and stayed for about two weeks, Harmony was not with them. Now, this is a clip from an interview with Christina Lubin, which took place just two days after Adam Montgomery was arrested in 2021 or in 2022. Actually, it would be early 2022. So he was arrested January 4th, 2022. And then Christina Lubin is talking to reporters outside of her home on the 6th.

• 1:10:23Speaker 05

  It's just, it's just hell and she has made her choices and that's all I can say. I'm just asking you just for the children's sake, I do pray for Harmony and I did have something come to me today for the police that I thought may help, which I did tell the police, I'm not going to give that out yet because I don't want to hinder it in any way. Um, just please.

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  When did you see Harmony?

• 1:10:43Speaker 05

  Um, it was, I knew it was in the wintertime. I wasn't exactly sure when. And when I spoke with my daughter, she was telling me it was a day after Thanksgiving. Okay.

• 1:10:54Speaker 04

  That last year in 2020 or 2021?

• 1:10:57Speaker 05

  No, that was in 2019. And did you ever ask her where she was after that, that you never saw her again? Well, she told me that, um, because they had, they came here, um, the end of December during the holidays and they were here briefly. Um, I asked her, I'm like, well, I expected Harmony to do them and they said no. And I know they've been kind of living on the streets and in a car kind of thing. And, and I, well, she didn't say no. She said she's with her mother. And I didn't question it because I don't know, I didn't know until all the news, the history of the family. And Adam, for the first couple of years was some sweet guy and he's not. He is pure evil. He is pure evil. So I hope, I really, really hope the information that.

• 1:11:42Speaker 05

  Came to me today and that can help in the search for Harmony and that's that's really where my prayers are now because my grandchildren will be with me so I'm not going to be worried about them and just please respect the privacy. This is so scary for children. Yeah, do you think Harmony's still alive? I hope and pray she's still alive, but it's been two years, you know, so I don't know. You've got to be heartbroken over this year. I I I'm distraught, my body's been shaking every couple hours because this I can't get away from it, you know what I mean, I can't not not check the news, I want to know what's going on and I have spoken with the police several times. Do you think your daughter had any involvement in her disappearance?

• 1:12:22Speaker 05

  Kayla told me that just as in her affidavit and I and I drilled my daughter, believe me, I asked, you know, with her history, yeah, she used to be a liar, but I know how to get the truth out of my daughter. Um, the youngest daughter, her daughter wasn't born yet and Harmony was with her, he dropped her off at work and he said to her, I am bringing Harmony to her mother. And then he came back later, I don't know how many hours, I don't know that that, uh, she was working at a Dunkin' Donuts, uh, given all that information to the police, but Kayla said, where is he? She didn't say where she is, but I don't know, I'm so confused right now. And when do you think that happened?

• 1:13:03Speaker 05

  Um, in my mind, from what I've tried to gather and, um, all the media has been great with trying to get all the information out there and the social media, I thought was has been great too, but, um, uh, I think it happened like in a week period and I think it happened, um, from December 6 till, um, prior to December 6. So December 6, anytime after Thanksgiving, the day after Thanksgiving to December 6. So it's like. There's the 30th of the month, so it's like six to seven days. So I think it's something happened in that week and I don't know what day. I asked the police if they checked her, my daughter's records because my children are brought up where they have to tell the truth and they have to fess up.

• 1:13:48Speaker 05

  And my daughter has broken every time for me in the past. And I said to her and I said to her and I said to her, I said, are you sure? I said, what couple doesn't communicate about this and so forth? And I know those are the questions out there. My daughter does have a good heart, but I don't know what her heart was on this, but I do believe her. Uh, she's staying very, very consistent in what she's saying. Um, and I can tell by her, on her mom, you know, I can tell.

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  So that whole drop off, you're saying that between Thanksgiving, December?

• 1:14:16Speaker 05

  Day after Thanksgiving and before December 6th.

• 1:14:20Speaker 03

  2019.

• 1:14:21Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  And what's this significant at December 6th that makes that date stick in your head?

• 1:14:26Speaker 05

  That date, um, was reminded to me by my daughter because they were homeless and they needed a place to come. And I said, well, I don't really have a room, my landlord. Um, so they would just here during the holiday during that time.

• 1:14:38Speaker 03

  You said Adam is the devil. Why'd you say that?

• 1:14:41Speaker 05

  He can sweet talk and swindle like, like he did with us for the two years. And then everything he points the finger at everybody else and talks out quite the storm and, and it's a lot of, he talks like jail talk. That's, that's all I can say.

• 1:14:55Speaker 03

  What about abuse? The allegation yesterday was he was abusive towards Harmony.

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  I don't know about that.

• 1:15:02Derrick Levasseur?

  This video here, the last one, I mean, I don't know how truthful she's being. Is she protecting herself? She protecting her daughter? I do think there's some.

• 1:15:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  She's protecting, she's trying to protect her. She, you know, she's like, I, I'm usually pretty good at getting the truth out of her. And she says this is consistent. Well, we've come to find out, no, everything Kayla said at that time when Adam got arrested was a lie, so.

• 1:15:20Derrick Levasseur?

  And that could be some blind parental love. But one thing I will say for all the people who are on audio, I don't always say this. It's happened seldomly, but it has happened. This is one of those episodes, guys, where if you have an opportunity and you really want to be immersed in this case, when you get home after work or whatever, after listening to this, because a lot of you are listening in the car or whatever, you gotta go mark these timestamps and, and go watch the videos yourself specifically. Adam's interrogation because yeah, the audio is really good in this. I'm hearing it in my headphones, but it will not do the same justice that the video does having the the physical mannerisms with the verbal comments they're making to kind of come to a true opinion on how you feel about the validity and the credibility of these people speaking.

• 1:16:04Derrick Levasseur?

  So I would strongly recommend that when you get home, go over to the YouTube channel, just fast forward to the timestamps where the videos are because it adds a whole different layer to it than just hearing it.

• 1:16:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So at this point, this is like I said, January 6th, 2021, after Adam's been or January 26, 2022, after Adam's been arrested.

• 1:16:22Derrick Levasseur?

  It's been over two years.

• 1:16:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Christina's being asked questions and you know, like, yeah, I think Kayla's being honest. Like, I don't think she was involved. Blah, blah, blah. That's just her protecting her daughter. You know very well. You know. Now, as it turns out, though, Christina was pretty accurate on the date of when Harmony was killed. But like I said, not so accurate when it came to the faith she had in her ability to get the truth out of her daughter, Kayla. So prosecutors believe based on the timeline and based on Kayla Montgomery's testimony that Harmony Montgomery was killed on December 7th, 2019. So let's go to that date because Adam and Kayla interacted with several people around that time. We have Kimberly Fraen and Matthew Gendron, and both of these people worked with Kayla and Adam at Dunkin'

• 1:17:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Donuts in the past. As we know, Kimberly maintained her ties to Adam and Kayla after their work relationship ended because they used drugs together and remained friends. She's the one who had the gun stolen from her by Adam. Matthew Gendron was Facebook friends with Adam and Kayla through their joint account, and he would sometimes chat with them there. Both Kimberly and Matthew received urgent messages from Adam and Kayla just after midnight on December 8th, 2019. So Matthew received the first message at 12:13 a.m. and it was Adam telling him that their car battery had died. Quote, "Hey, we need help ASAP, please. Need a jump and jumper cables ASAP. My car died. We've been sleeping in our car and the battery just died." End quote. So Matthew responded and

• 1:17:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  he was like, "I don't have jumper cables." Then another message came in and this time the person writing the messages identified her. As Kayla and asked Matthew if he could bring her to the store and get jumper cables. Quote, "I'll give you gas money. We will literally die tonight." End quote. Matthew replied again, and he was like, "I just got home from work. I have to work early tomorrow. I don't even know what's open." The person who was allegedly, Kayla wrote back that it was okay. She also didn't know what was open and she was sorry. And Matthew was like, "Yeah, you know, I don't have cables and I don't know what's open." And then Kayla replied back, quote, "I think either if mobile don't have them, the only place is Amherst Walmart. So I know you need to get up early. Have a good night." End quote. And so Matthew responded like any of us would, "All right, have a good night."

• 1:18:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  And that should have been the rest of it, the end of it. But then Kayla or Adam kept pushing, quote, "I'm going to try. Can we die in this weather? We can't, right? We can just be really cold." End quote. They're trying to make him feel bad. It's like, "Do you think we can die in this cold? Probably not, right? We'll just be really, really cold." And this was followed by another message, quote, "Hey, I'm at Colonial Village and Kimmy said she had jumper cables." End quote. And Matthew was like, "Great. Kimmy can jump you. Kimberly Frain." But then the joint Kayla-Adam Facebook account wrote back, "Well, Kimmy doesn't have her car, and so that's why I've been messaging everyone. So do you not want to do that?" End quote. And Matthew was like, "I don't really feel like running all over the place at this hour of the night. No, I really don't want to do this." So they're saying like, "Okay, so we got Kim and she's got jumper cables, but we still

• 1:19:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  need a car because she doesn't have her car. She is half the equation of what we need. So can you still come to Colonial Apartments and help us with this?" Now, the response that Matthew got to that was, quote, "It's not our car, Matt. Our car died today. Our friend is letting us stay in his. It's all good, Matt. Don't worry about it. I just didn't want to freeze tonight. And I've messaged everyone else. No one has cables or no one has their cars." End quote. So here's Kimberly Frain talking about her conversation with Adam Montgomery that night. Did you ever bring Adam Montgomery jumper cables?

• 1:19:50Speaker 07

  Try to start a car.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:19:52Speaker 07

  What time was this? What time of morning was this that Adam reached out? Or you got these messages asking for a jump?

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  It was in the middle of the night. I just remember that. It was late.

• 1:20:04Speaker 07

  So, did you go to where they were and give them a jump?

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  I did.

• 1:20:08Speaker 07

  Uh, where did you go?

• 1:20:09Speaker 02

  Um, it's behind Elm Street in, I think it's Colonial Apartments.

• 1:20:17Speaker 07

  Okay. When you saw them, do you remember what kind of car they were in that night?

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were in a blue Audi.

• 1:20:24Speaker 07

  So, when you got there, uh, who, if anybody, got into your car?

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  I pulled up and I don't remember the beginning, but I don't think, I, I brought a, like, a jumper pack that my husb- my ex-husband had. And a Good Samaritan came by and him and Adam jump-started it. And Kayla jumped in my car with the two boys and we just blasted the heat, keep them warm.

• 1:20:56Speaker 07

  To keep them warm?

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:57Speaker 07

  So, you said it was Kayla and the two boys?

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Two boys.

• 1:21:00Speaker 07

  Okay. Um, so I know you said before that you had babysat Harmony on one occasion. Was Harmony there with you? Did she get into the car as well with Kayla and the two boys?

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:21:11Speaker 07

  Did you see Harmony at all while you were there that night?

• 1:21:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:21:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay. So, this is the early morning hours of December 8th. Police believe Harmony died on December 7th. So, Kimberly Frein says that when she went to the Colonial Park Apartments to give Adam Montgomery a jump, he, Kayla, and the two boys were in a blue Audi. But we know that before that, they'd been living in a silver Chrysler Sebring. So, how did we get from one car to the other? Now, to understand that, we have to go to Kayla Montgomery's testimony. Because according to her, on the same day that Harmony was killed, the Sebring broke down and then a whole series of events followed. And this is kind of where the dominoes start falling. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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• 1:24:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're back. So it appears that Harmony was still alive in the early morning hours of December 7th, 2019. That morning, both Kayla and Adam paid a visit to the methadone clinic. Now, I want to be very clear about something, because methadone treatment is supposed to help people stabilize during drug addiction, avoid withdrawals, reduce cravings, reduce illicit opioid use. It is technically a real, evidence-based treatment for opioid use disorder. And when carefully managed by medical professionals and taken without other illicit substances, methadone is known to be highly effective, right? It's an FDA-approved medication to help those in recovery avoid relapse. However, it is still, at its face,

• 1:24:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  a synthetic opioid. So when we're talking about Adam and Kayla, who we know were still actively using drugs, and were doing nothing to stop, and had no plans to stop, or to seriously pursue rehabilitation, they were not using methadone for its intended purpose. Whenever they went to these clinics, they were in a place where they didn't have money for their actual drugs, and the use of the methadone was like a temporary bridge to get to a place where they would be okay until they were able to secure heroin, right? Because we know opioid addiction is intense. Over time, the brain and body physically reorganize themselves around that drug. And then if the use stops, a person will have really

• 1:25:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  awful horrendous withdrawal. Like opioid withdrawal is very bad. I've never been through it, but I've heard enough people describe it to know. Sweating, shaking, vomiting, diarrhea, pain, actual horrible pain, panic, insomnia, chills.

• 1:25:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, they feel like they're gonna die.

• 1:25:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  They feel like they're gonna die, yeah. And a lot of people have said, like, "Once I got off, it was... I kept remembering that and didn't want to get back on." Like, that's why a lot of people who do actually become clean... They, they don't go back and use it again because they remember how bad that withdrawal was. So it's, it's very bad. And for someone in deep, active opioid addiction, the day can become a cycle of like getting high, coming down, getting sick, finding money, finding drugs, doing whatever it takes to stop the sickness from taking over. So that includes paying a visit to their local methadone clinic until they're able to secure what they actually want. So the methadone is a way to stay physically and mentally like with it and not just like,

• 1:26:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  like you said, feeling like they want to die until their next drug score. Now, I want to say that because I don't want anybody to be like, they were going to a methadone clinic, they were clearly trying to get help. No, if they're actively using drugs at the same time, it's just a bridge to, to avoid these horrible withdrawal symptoms. Now, according to Kayla Montgomery, Adam's abuse of Harmony started first thing in the morning.

• 1:27:04Speaker 03

  You mentioned Harmony having accidents and then becoming more frequent at that point. On December 7th, was she still having those accidents?

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  And had they increased in frequency?

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:15Speaker 03

  Did Harmony have an accident first thing in the morning?

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:19Speaker 03

  And that would have been before you started your day?

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:24Speaker 03

  And before you left for the methadone clinic, did Harmony have an accident?

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  And what did the defendant do, before he went to the methadone clinic, what did the defendant do to Harmony after that accident?

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  He was yelling and screaming at her and punching her in the head.

• 1:27:43Speaker 03

  How did she react to that?

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  She was crying.

• 1:27:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  So then, on the drive to the methadone clinic, Harmony was saying that she needed to use the bathroom again. And, you know, after she'd already had an accident in the car. And evidently, this enraged Adam. So Kayla and Adam went into the methadone clinic that day. They didn't go one by one, like someone who would, you know, want to make sure there was a person in the car with their three children. Kayla went in at 7:04 a.m. and Adam went in at 7:09 a.m. Kayla returned back to the car first, followed by Adam. When Adam came back to the vehicle...

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  He could smell urine and he started yelling at Harmony and kept hitting her in the head repetitively.

• 1:28:35Speaker 03

  Where were you when he smelt that accident? Where was the vehicle when he smelt that accident?

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  In front of the methadone clinic.

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  Did you discuss going somewhere with him at any point that morning? Going to get food?

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Yes, I asked to go to Burger King.

• 1:28:54Speaker 03

  You asked to go to Burger King?

• 1:28:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  And so at some point, did he begin driving the vehicle?

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  Was that before or after he repeatedly struck Harmony?

• 1:29:07Speaker 02

  After.

• 1:29:10Speaker 03

  What was Harmony doing at that point when he started driving the vehicle?

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  She was crying a lot.

• 1:29:17Speaker 03

  She was crying a lot?

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, and she was making a weird noise.

• 1:29:23Speaker 03

  Was she saying anything?

• 1:29:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  And Kayla, I want you to walk the jurors through in as much detail as you can. What happened on your route from Habit Oppo to that Burger King?

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  Adam, Adam was getting really angry from Harmony, from Harmony peeing in the car. And he repetitively kept punching her on the way to Burger King. And there were a couple of red lights. And when we're at red lights, he would like go over the driver's seat, like in between the passenger seat, and he was just punching her repetitively in the head.

• 1:30:14Speaker 03

  You've said there were several times where he punched her repetitively, repetitively in the head?

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:30:20Speaker 03

  How many times did he hit her?

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  Uh, I can't count, I don't know.

• 1:30:27Speaker 03

  Were you counting?

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  No, I wasn't.

• 1:30:32Speaker 03

  How many lights did that car come to where he repetitively struck her?

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  At least two or three.

• 1:30:42Speaker 03

  Between Habit Oppo and the Burger King. Did the defendant say anything to Harmony?

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  Told her to shut the, shut the fuck up. Stop crying.

• 1:30:56Speaker 03

  You said she was making a weird noise.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:31:00Speaker 03

  Can you describe it?

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  It was like, uh.

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  I can't even describe it.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  It was like a, like a moaning kinda noise.

• 1:31:14Speaker 02

  But crying.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  It was just weird, I, I can't explain it.

• 1:31:21Speaker 03

  Did he try to help Harmony while he was striking her?

• 1:31:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  Tell the jurors what you did to help, to try to help.

• 1:31:28Speaker 02

  I put my arm up and said to stop. But he looks at me and he gave me this look that was like evil, I don't, his, his crazy eyes, I didn't like it and I didn't, I couldn't stop her, stop him from hitting her. Cause he, the look that he gave me was scary, I was scared.

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  What were you feeling when he looked at you like that?

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  Like he was either gonna hit me or just, I don't know, it was weird.

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  And that was like one of the first times that I've seen him look at me like that.

• 1:32:14Speaker 03

  Was it the last time you saw him look at you like that?

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:32:17Speaker 03

  You said that, that, that Harmony is crying, she's making this weird noise.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:23Speaker 03

  Where was she in the vehicle?

• 1:32:25Speaker 02

  She was behind the passenger seat.

• 1:32:28Speaker 03

  And who was in front of her in that car?

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  I was.

• 1:32:32Speaker 03

  You described the defendant almost coming over the seat.

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:32:37Speaker 03

  Was he still driving at that point?

• 1:32:39Speaker 02

  Some, like, kind of. Like, between the red lights and it was, it definitely at the red lights. I remember that.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  How was he striking her?

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  By punching her in the head.

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  Where were your other two children at that time?

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  In the backseat.

• 1:32:58Speaker 03

  And what were they doing?

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  They had no idea what was going on.

• 1:33:02Speaker 03

  How old were they?

• 1:33:03Speaker 02

  Seamus was about two and a half and Declan was 11 months old.

• 1:33:11Speaker 03

  Did you look back at Harmony at any point?

• 1:33:14Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  Why not?

• 1:33:17Speaker 02

  Because I was scared.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  What were you scared of?

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  If Adam was gonna say something, or if he hurt her really bad, it was gonna look really bad.

• 1:33:28Speaker 03

  You were scared of what Harmony would look like?

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  Did he stop after that?

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  Shortly after that.

• 1:33:36Speaker 03

  Did he say anything to you when he stopped?

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  He said he thinks that he really hurt her.

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  That he felt something.

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  When he said that he thinks he really hurt her, where, where was the vehicle at that point?

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  At Burger King.

• 1:34:05Speaker 03

  At the Burger King?

• 1:34:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  And what did the defendant do after he stopped hitting Harmony, after he said, "I think I really hurt her"?

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 1:34:17Speaker 03

  Did you order food from Burger King?

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:34:21Speaker 03

  Did you go through the drive-thru?

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:34:23Speaker 03

  And so who ordered the food?

• 1:34:26Speaker 02

  Adam did.

• 1:34:27Speaker 03

  And what did you do with the food that he had ordered?

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  Uh, ate it, gave some to the kids.

• 1:34:35Speaker 03

  Did you see Harmony when you were giving them food?

• 1:34:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:34:38Speaker 03

  Why not?

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  Cause she was under the blanket.

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  Who put her under the blanket?

• 1:34:44Speaker 02

  Adam.

• 1:34:45Derrick Levasseur?

  So Stephanie, I have a really stupid question for you because I'm new to this whole crime thing and I, I need you to give me some insight here. Do you think that the jury members convicted Adam because of a previous assault involving her black eye? Or do you think maybe, just maybe, this statement right here of what actually happened on that particular occasion on, on, during this particular assault? Do you think that maybe that played a factor in them convicting him?

• 1:35:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  We, we have a lot to say and I, I personally, being on the jury, no, we know what's a technicality. You know, every single person on that jury right now is pissed off that this decision happened.

• 1:35:22Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm pissed as a taxpayer that now this guy gets another day of trial that we have to go through this whole process again because he's going to be found guilty.

• 1:35:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're gonna say Kayla is not a reliable narrator, whatever. We, we have reasons and we're gonna talk about that, but I want everyone to understand what happened here. This demon, Adam Montgomery, beats his five-year-old daughter relentlessly, okay? She starts to cry and make a sound that Kayla Montgomery, Kayla Montgomery's a stupid bitch, described as never hearing before from Harmony, a sound she described as being weird. And then from the methadone clinic to Burger King, which would be a seven to 12 minute drive, depending on.

• 1:35:57Derrick Levasseur?

  Not bad enough for her to lose her appetite though.

• 1:35:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, exactly, exactly.

• 1:36:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Whatever.

• 1:36:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  A seven to 12 minute drive from the methadone clinic to Burger King. Adam told Harmony to shut up at each red light. He reached back and continued to repeatedly punch her in the head. Kayla tried to stop, she put her hand out, but then she got scared.

• 1:36:12Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 1:36:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Cause he gave a look.

• 1:36:14Derrick Levasseur?

  What could she have done there? Maybe, I don't know, as a mother, get him out of the car?

• 1:36:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, especially when you're parked at Burger King, but okay. Then they get to Burger King and Adam tells Kayla, he thinks he really hurt Harmony this time. What do you think Kayla or Adam did? Well, they didn't check on Harmony instead of getting Harmony help. Adam covered Harmony with a comforter and then pulled through the Burger King drive-through and ordered food. And then once they had their food, did they check on Harmony? No, they sat in the car, the, the car, the very same car where Harmony was laying in the backseat under a comforter, dying alone. And they all ate their french fries and chicken nuggets while Harmony died under that blanket. And and it gets worse because after leaving Burger King, neither Adam nor Kayla

• 1:37:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  made an attempt to check on Harmony or get her medical attention. And we're going to talk about that in a second. But first I want to ask you, listen, yes, this is Kayla Montgomery's version of events. I know she seems upset, right? She does seem upset. She's crying.

• 1:37:17Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, she watched a child be murdered in front of her. So yeah.

• 1:37:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is upsetting. Exactly. But is she crying? Because I think there's things she's saying that isn't true here. Like, I did try to stop. Bullshit, I don't believe you. And I think there's also things she's saying that are true. Like, why were you worried? And she said, I was worried because of like, how it was going to look if he really did hurt her. Like, how was it going to look? She never at any point says she's worried about Harmony. That she's like, oh, my God, is Harmony okay? She's like, well, if he really did hurt her, if Adam really did hurt Harmony, how is it going to look? That's what Kayla was worried about. In that moment, and then even then, on the stand, right? She was never like, oh, my God, I was like, I couldn't eat. I couldn't even eat my Burger King because I was so worried about what... No, y'all sat there, you passed french fries back to your other kids while

• 1:38:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Harmony laid under the blanket and died alone. Hearing you guys sit there and eat around her. You both deserve to be in prison for life, and you both deserve to burn in hell.

• 1:38:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I mean, I'm not a doctor, but what it sounds like. And if you look at the video, again, why it's so important, Adam appears to be a pretty stocky guy, right? He's not tiny. He's got big forearms. You could see it. I mean, he's a decent sized guy. I don't know if he's tall or not.

• 1:38:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  And this is a guy who's like consistently using drugs and probably not in the gym. So this is a natural sort of like physique.

• 1:38:30Derrick Levasseur?

  And he's probably been in a fight or two in a tough neighborhood, Massachusetts kid, probably can fight, you know, and he's punching this young girl in the head. More than likely, again, not a doctor, probably fractured her skull, severe, significant brain damage. And yeah, she died from that. I could sit here and repeat everything you just said. You basically said it. If she really wanted to help and she really... Thought something was wrong. She could have easily taken Harmony and the other kids to the police and said, listen, I have my problems. I'm going through some substance abuse issues right now, but they're, you know, and I'm, I'm using food stamps for things they shouldn't be used for. But there's even in my world, something where I draw the line.

• 1:39:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  But this is, this is a line I draw. I have a code.

• 1:39:13Derrick Levasseur?

  You know, there, there, I draw the line here and, and I won't stand by and watch a young child be beaten. Even if that means, you know what, when I put my hand up, I would rather him beat me than her. That's the motherly instinct that should kick in at that moment, even though it's not her child. There are plenty of mothers out there that would say, hey, turn your attention on me, slap, slap me around, leave the kid alone. She didn't do that.

• 1:39:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or if you're scared, you say, okay, in your head, you're like, when we get to Burger King, I'm going to pretend I have to get something out of the backseat. I'm going to grab Harmony. I'm going to run and scream for help. I'm going to run right into Burger King and scream for help and tell them to call the police.

• 1:39:51Derrick Levasseur?

  And there's so much more to this. This is not the first time that he's done this. So there have been multiple occasions, probably 10 to 20 different occasions, maybe more, where she had the opportunity to act on any of those occasions, get her out of that situation. She never did. So this was just the last time it occurred.

• 1:40:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  But even if this was the last time and you were like, okay, enough is enough. He said he really thinks he hurt her. I've got to do something. Even then you would still have a little bit of redemption.

• 1:40:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  But you sat there and ate your chicken nuggets and your french fries.

• 1:40:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  I have no pity for you, woman.

• 1:40:24Derrick Levasseur?

  And that's what he felt too, right? He felt the broken bone more than likely, but you have Kayla, she's a scumbag. Obviously Adam's the, the biggest offender here. He's a monster and the only silver lining in all of this is he's going to get convicted again. And you mentioned code and we've talked about this before and you've seen it in the headlines lately. Unfortunately for Adam, when he goes to general pop, there is a code in prison as well. And when they hear. When they hear Kayla's statement, this statement that you guys just heard, it's not gonna be good for Adam.

• 1:40:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  We can only hope, yeah.

• 1:40:57Derrick Levasseur?

  Sorry, not sorry.

• 1:40:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, but like I said, it gets worse. They leave the Burger King, they drive back to the Colonial Village Apartments. And do you think they check on Harmony there? No, they don't.

• 1:41:12Speaker 03

  Was Harmony still under the blanket when you arrived at Colonial Village?

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:41:16Speaker 03

  And that moaning that you mentioned, that weird noise that she was making, was she still making it?

• 1:41:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:41:22Speaker 03

  How long did that noise that she was making last?

• 1:41:26Speaker 02

  Uh...

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  I don't remember. It wasn't...

• 1:41:34Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't remember. I don't remember if it was too loo... I don't remember if it was after we were at Colonial Village for a little bit. Or if it was before.

• 1:41:48Speaker 03

  That moaning, did it eventually stop?

• 1:41:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:41:52Speaker 03

  Did you check on Harmony at any point after the moaning stopped?

• 1:41:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:41:57Speaker 03

  Did Adam?

• 1:41:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:41:59Speaker 03

  Why didn't you check on her?

• 1:42:01Speaker 02

  Because I was scared.

• 1:42:03Speaker 03

  When you arrived at the Colonial Village parking lot, when you arrived back there, what did you and the defendant do?

• 1:42:10Speaker 02

  We got drugs and got high.

• 1:42:15Speaker 03

  When you say we got drugs and got high, what drugs did you get, Kayla?

• 1:42:19Speaker 02

  Uh, heroin and crack.

• 1:42:22Speaker 03

  And how long did you use those drugs for in that parking lot?

• 1:42:25Speaker 02

  Probably, we were there for probably 10 or 15 minutes.

• 1:42:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Wow, priorities, right? And this is something, I'm sure, there's a lot of people who are watching or listening to this episode right now who have had their own demons, their own battles, who have gone through substance abuse issues or alcohol issues where they did some things or made some bad decisions that they regret. But they can go back and say, "I wasn't in the right state of mind," right? But there is also some level of humanity still there. And you can have issues with drugs or alcohol and still acknowledge that. Before maybe using again, check on the kid.

• 1:43:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, they didn't. Yeah, they just didn't. So.

• 1:43:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. That's just decent. This is basic humanity. And that is why we're giving Kayla such a hard time because two things can be true. You can be going through an issue with substance abuse and yet still have common sense.

• 1:43:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, she was too scared.

• 1:43:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, no, she didn't want to see the truth because she knows she was indirectly a contributor to all of this.

• 1:43:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I would say directly, but sure.

• 1:43:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. And so that's a problem. It's a problem and it's, uh, it just shows the people that we're dealing with because you have Harmony passing away underneath that blanket, but then yet priorities, right? Priorities is to get the next high.

• 1:43:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  After doing their drugs, Kayla and Adam, with Harmony's body in the car still under the comforter and their two sons sitting in the backseat with the body of their sister, they left again. But they only made it to the stoplight on the next street when their car died and wouldn't start again. And some people might say this is karma because they've been driving around in this car forever. For two weeks, they've been homeless, living in this car. And the second that Harmony's dead and, and something could possibly catch them up, the car dies, right? The battery died. So Kayla believes that this happened around eight or nine AM. According to the Manchester Police Department records, the Chrysler Sebring was broken down at the intersection of Elm Street and Webster Street at approximately 12:11 PM. Now, I don't think that she was right with her eight or nine AM time,

• 1:44:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  but I also know that 12:11 wasn't the time the car broke down. Um, it's the time that the tow company was called. So according to Kayla, it wasn't until the car broke down that she and Adam realized that Harmony was dead.

• 1:44:38Speaker 02

  And there was no jumping the vehicle. And so we ended up having to leave it. And when we were getting out of the car and getting the kids out of the car,

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Harmony

• 1:44:55Speaker 02

  had passed away.

• 1:44:57Speaker 03

  Let's talk about that. When you say Harmony had passed away, when did you realize that Harmony had passed away?

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  When

• 1:45:07Speaker 02

  Adam was trying to wake her up and she didn't. She didn't.

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  She didn't reply or anything.

• 1:45:20Speaker 03

  Was he saying things to her to try to wake her up?

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, he said, uh, he said Harmony and he kept saying baby girl. Like and trying to budge her and there was nothing.

• 1:45:35Speaker 03

  Was he touching her?

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:45:37Speaker 03

  What was he doing to her body at that point?

• 1:45:41Speaker 02

  Uh, trying to figure out what to do and getting all the kids out of the car. Uh, he took the Duffle bag that was in the trunk and

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  and

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  and put her in the Duffle bag.

• 1:46:10Speaker 03

  Did you see him put Harmony in that Duffle bag?

• 1:46:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:46:13Speaker 03

  How did he put her in there, Kayla?

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  He like folded her in half and put her in the Duffle bag.

• 1:46:29Speaker 03

  What did her face look like when you saw her go into that bag?

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  It was all black and blue and her face was puffy. Her eyes were puffy.

• 1:46:41Speaker 02

  We took the kids and we walked back to Colonial Village.

• 1:46:45Speaker 03

  What did you do once you arrived at Colonial Village?

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  Put her, put the bag

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  in the snowbank so Anthony wouldn't see it.

• 1:46:58Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, so that who wouldn't see it, Kayla?

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  Anthony.

• 1:47:01Derrick Levasseur?

  There you go, right? There you go. You have not only the murder, but you have. At least the first part, and we're just getting started with this, how they attempted to discard her body. I will say, I'm fascinated in this part because we know up to this point, Harmony has never been found. So I'm really trying, the detective in me wants to identify where that, where the link in that chain is and see what, what can be done now. Anyways, I digress. That's where I'm at. That's where my head's at right now. We can't save Harmony. But we can even solidify this case even more if we're able to find her and bring her back and have her, have a proper burial compared to what she was given, obviously not deserved.

• 1:47:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  So yeah, Kayla sees Adam fold Harmony's body in half and shove it into like a gym Duffle bag. They walk back to the apartment complex with Harmony in the Duffle bag. And they put Harmony's body in the Duffle bag in a snowbank so that Anthony Boderow wouldn't see it. And that's where Anthony Boderow comes back in. Once again, according to him, he had no idea the Montgomery family was living out of their car behind his apartment complex. According to him, it was this day, December 7th, when he first saw them and they told him that they had no place to live and their car had broken down. And Boderow had a 2004 blue Audi S4 that had been sitting at his in-laws' place for two years because he couldn't get it to start. And so he told Adam Montgomery that he and his family could stay in the car for a few days.

• 1:48:22Speaker 06

  Well, the reason I had them stay in the vehicle is because I was living with somebody else, that it was their apartment. And there was no room for them to be there. So the only choice I had was to let them stay in my vehicle.

• 1:48:39Speaker 03

  And Mr. Boderow, who stayed in your vehicle?

• 1:48:42Speaker 06

  Adam, Kayla, and the two boys.

• 1:48:46Speaker 03

  Earlier, you mentioned Adam's third child, Harmony.

• 1:48:52Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:48:53Speaker 03

  Where was Harmony during that time where you let them stay in their vehicle, in your vehicle?

• 1:48:57Speaker 06

  I do not know.

• 1:48:58Speaker 03

  Was she with them?

• 1:49:00Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:49:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're gonna take our last break and we're gonna come back and talk about this. We'll be right back.

• 1:49:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  So now, listen, if you hear Anthony Boderro tell it, he barely knew these people, right? There's more to his testimony. He's like, "I barely knew them," right? "They weren't friends. I hardly ever saw them, maybe a handful of times." And during the time they were living in his car, once again, they're living in his car, and now he knows they're behind his apartment complex. He said he barely saw them. He was confronted with messages between himself and Adam showing that Boderro had actually given Kayla and Adam rides, including to the methadone clinic during this time. But understand, Anthony Boderro has no idea what's going on, and he barely knew these people at all. He didn't know they were living in their car behind his apartment complex for weeks. He didn't know what they were doing when they were living in his car. They were barely acquaintances. But according to Kayla's testimony, it was Anthony Boderro

• 1:49:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  who gave Adam a ride back to their car, the Sebring, so that they could get their stuff out of it. And by the time they got there, the car was already being towed. And the tow truck driver was like, "Yeah, I didn't see Kayla. I didn't see kids. I saw two men, and they were getting stuff out of the car." So Anthony Boderro's giving Adam a ride back to the Sebring, and then also letting him live in his car behind his apartment complex, barely knows these people, okay? Now, later in 2022, when that car was searched, the Sebring, investigators did not find obvious visible blood in the Chrysler. And there does not appear to have been confirmed blood evidence tying Harmony to the car. They did use Blue Star in the trunk, which produced four presumptive positive reactions that were swabbed. But the strongest physical

• 1:50:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  evidence recovered from the Chrysler Sebring was Harmony's pink Troll's toothbrush found in the trunk underneath some clothes. Forensic biologist from New Hampshire State Police Forensic Lab, Katie Swango, tested the toothbrush and showed it was most likely from the female child of Adam Montgomery and Crystal Sorey. And Adam and Crystal don't have another female child other than Harmony. They don't have any other biological children together. So there are a few reasons that blood would possibly not be found in this car, the car where Kayla said Adam beat Harmony to death. First, the type of injury Kayla described may not have necessarily- necessarily left a lot of blood in the car.

• 1:51:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Harmony's body has never been found, so there was never an autopsy done and we can't say for sure. But if Harmony was repeatedly punched in the head, the fatal injury could have been internal trauma. Like a brain injury, swelling and bleeding inside of the skull, et cetera, as you had mentioned earlier, Derek. Also, Kayla said that when she saw Harmony's face, it was bruised looking and swelling, but she did not say that she saw blood. We heard her testify to that. Kayla did also say that she saw Harmony's nose bleeding, which would later allow Adam's defense team to make the where's the blood argument. But a nosebleed doesn't always mean that there would be a large durable stain left years later.

• 1:52:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Especially if it was, I don't know, wiped away or absorbed by clothing or blankets. And as we know, Harmony was covered with a large comforter that was always on hand. For her to be, you know, hidden by it. On that same note, the car was not recovered or processed right away. Investigators recovered the Chrysler from a junkyard more than two years after Harmony was killed. And by then the vehicle was in terrible condition. Missing parts filled with other auto debris. We have photos of this that we'll have Shannon put up. So the passage of time does matter in this situation. The car had been towed, stored, moved, exposed to changing conditions, potentially handled by multiple people, and then even partially stripped.

• 1:52:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  So even if biological material had been present in 2019, the scene that investigators eventually processed was by far not anywhere close to being a fresh crime scene anymore. And so much had happened to the car. And if this injury happened and Adam immediately covered Harmony with the comforter, as we know he did when they went into the drive through for Burger King. It's likely that most of that blood ended up on the comforter, which also conveniently has never been found. So.

• 1:53:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I mean, you're looking at more than likely significant internal injuries, not necessarily unless he, unless he he split her skin during the assault, which is possible. But as you mentioned, she was covered with the blanket, which would have absorbed any blood. And even if they found a small amount of blood in the car, the argument could be made if I'm a defense attorney, like, yeah, we were living in the car. She may have cut herself. You would have to find evidence of a large pooling of blood where we've seen in other cases where. Experts are able to say with this amount of blood, the evidence of this amount of blood, it would lead us to believe that that the injuries would have resulted in death if not medically treated. So it would take a lot of blood to have it be impactful. And with the blue star,

• 1:53:52Derrick Levasseur?

  that's obviously luminol. You're hoping under an alternate light source like a like a black light or something that you would see the glowing in almost complete darkness. They also could have used what's known as LCV, which is essentially something that's used for photography where under normal lighting conditions, you can spray this stuff. It'll permanently die anything that's blood. And then you can take photos of it to represent that at court. So clearly, they made an attempt, but you could for all the reasons you just laid out, plus the fact that there may not have been a significant amount of blood. It was kind of it was kind of a dead end.

• 1:54:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. And listen, I'm not saying by any means that there wasn't a bloody nose. There probably was a bloody nose. But when you look at the pictures of the car, what it looked like when they finally got it and were able to process it like, yeah, it's been pulled apart. There's like random other car parts in the trunk. It's just, it would be very difficult. And that should not be something that the defense can use to get away with like, oh, well, where's the blood?

• 1:54:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Then there's a lot of times where people get significant injuries, even in a car accident, where they look normal. Just looking at the outside, they may have some bruising and some red spots, but they're bleeding internally and you don't even know it. That's what's happening. You have a brain bleed at this point with with Harmony. And that not necessarily translates to blood all over the car.

• 1:55:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, but like Kayla said, her face was puffy. It was swollen. She saw Harmony. So we're still focused on December 7, 2019. Adam, Kayla, and their two sons are now living in Anthony Bodeiro's Audi for a few days. And Kayla said that Harmony's body would be consistently moved during that time. It was either in the snowbank by the dumpster, which by the way, was right next to the parking lot. Like, this isn't, I looked up pictures. You know how apartment complexes, they have like the dumpsters. They're right next to the parking lot. So this wasn't some big hidden area, but she's in the Duffle bag. So it's either in the snowbank by the dumpster, or it was in the trunk of the Audi. So Adam moved the Duffle bag from the trunk to the snow periodically because it was cold outside

• 1:55:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  and that would prevent the body from decomposing as quickly.

• 1:55:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, smelling, all that stuff, yeah.

• 1:55:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  So the night of December 7th, Adam, Kayla, and the kids were in the Audi when the battery died. So now their battery dies earlier that day in their first car, and now the battery dies in this car that they're in. And you know there's something in the universe that's trying to get these idiots caught. But the battery dies in the Audi, that's when they start making these panicked calls and texts to people they knew trying to get a jump. Kimberly Frain and a Good Samaritan helped get the car back on that night. It's worth noting that Kayla Montgomery repeatedly claims she did not help Harmony, that she did not say anything, okay, or alert someone. She says she didn't do anything because she was scared of Adam. She was scared, she was scared. She said she was afraid of Adam, afraid of what he would do, afraid to interfere, afraid to go to the police.

• 1:56:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  And maybe some of that fear was real, I'm not going to say it wasn't, but fear can't be the whole answer at this point because there were moments when other people were around. There were messages sent, there were people helping them. Remember, Kimberly Frain came with jumper cables. And then she said Kayla and the kids got in her car, not Adam. Adam was out there helping the Good Samaritan get the Audi started, right? Kayla's in the car with Kimberly Frain and the kids alone, no Adam. She could have said, "Kimberly, call the police, send them here, I can't say too much, I don't want them to know, send the police, Harmony's dead. You didn't do that, okay?" Then, you know, the Good Samaritans, they're helping. Kayla could have said something to him, could have said something to Anthony Bodeira. She could have at any time pulled someone aside and said, "Please call 911, he killed Harmony, help me and my children get away from him."

• 1:57:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because now, don't you think like, oh, if he's going to do that to Harmony, isn't it possible he'd do that to one of my children?

• 1:57:29Derrick Levasseur?

  There's no doubt, he was also abusing those other kids.

• 1:57:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, even if it's just like self-preservation that makes you alert somebody, the self-preservation to protect yourself and your own children who you see as blood related to you, and Harmony's not your blood related child, whatever. Even if it's that motive, you didn't even want to save your own two children, and then you want to have another child with him after this, by the way? Okay, so Kayla did not do any of that and that is where her explanation starts to break down for me. Maybe she was scared, maybe she was high, maybe she was dependent on Adam for drugs, transportation, shelter, survival. Maybe she was protecting herself because she already knew that she'd crossed lines she could never uncross, even by that point. That even if she went to the police, Adam could say, "Well, Kayla actually did this to Harmony,

• 1:58:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  and Kayla helped me abuse Harmony, and Kayla helped me do this to Harmony," and he'd be right. And then now she's looking just as bad as he is. Yeah, maybe she didn't beat Harmony to death, but maybe she took part in the abuse and the neglect, which I think without a doubt she did, because remember Uncle Kevin said that he'd heard Kayla call Harmony names, like say, "You're disgusting, this, this, and that." So when Kayla's like, "Oh, Adam, we get mad when Harmony would have accidents in the car," so would you. I guarantee you, you took part in all of that, that yelling at her, embezzling her. And probably when she got back in the car after the methadone clinic and Harmony had another accident, she was probably like, "Oh, wait till your dad gets in here. Wait till your dad gets in here. He's gonna beat your ass." I guarantee you, Kayla did not get help, not because she was like scared of Adam, but because she was scared of how

• 1:58:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  she would be implicated when an investigation was done.

• 1:59:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, now she's tied to her. Her inaction can be criminal in nature. There's no doubt about it. She didn't intervene at all, and she had an obligation at that point to do so.

• 1:59:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, we can just say without a doubt, Kayla was not a woman who knew nothing and had no choices.

• 1:59:17Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. Multiple opportunities to remove herself and her children from that situation. And she may have been scared, but that's when you call the police.

• 1:59:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and she kept it going, right? She stays with Adam for, and you're gonna hear, for a long time after this, while they go around from place to place, bringing Harmony's body with them.

• 1:59:34Derrick Levasseur?

  And why do you think she stayed with him, Stephanie?

• 1:59:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think it was because she was like, "Well, he's getting me drugs."

• 1:59:39Derrick Levasseur?

  That's it.

• 1:59:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Which is, that's absolutely disgusting. And she helped conceal the truth. Even years later, remember, Adam was nowhere physically around Kayla. He was off sleeping in some car with some other woman, and the police go to Kayla and they're like, "What's happening here?" Kayla still lied. She lied about when she had last seen Harmony, where she had last seen Harmony. She lied about not knowing what happened to Harmony. She continued Receiving financial benefits for Harmony long after she knew Harmony was not alive. She testified in front of a grand jury and later had to plead guilty to two felony counts of perjury because she lied during that testimony. For nearly two years, Kayla helped maintain the fiction that Harmony was somewhere else. When according to her own later testimony, she knew Harmony was dead. So this is not, you're not seeing her testify like right after the cops come and find her.

• 2:00:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  She continues lying to the cops in front of a grand jury. In all her official statements, Harmony's with her mother. We, we know Adam told me he was bringing Harmony to her mother. That's all I know. That's what she said. So like, this is not somebody who we can say was afraid of Adam. Because this is at a time when Adam's gone, not physically near you. Why are you still lying?

• 2:00:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, no, she, she definitely has a major role in this. And you're talking about obstruction, impeding investigation, tampering with evidence. Those are just the start. I mean, I'm sure if a prosecutor got behind this, they could tell you a few more. But I think, and I don't even know where this goes. I don't even know, well, maybe you can say it right now. Was Kayla charged as well? In exchange for her testimony, she was, she was given to me. Okay, so that's, and I will say this, I will, it sucks. It sucks that you have to do this, but without her testimony, I don't know if you get a conviction of Adam.

• 2:01:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, that's why they're trying to.

• 2:01:19Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, this is damning, right? What we're seeing here, this is, this is everything. So I think at this point, without, without this, you don't have much.

• 2:01:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, I want to be clear, I think you're on the same page as me. We don't think that what Kayla is saying is a lie about what happened to Harmony.

• 2:01:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, no, I believe it.

• 2:01:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  She clearly saw something and she clearly saw this. The way she's retelling the story, now when she lies and says, I don't know how long the noises went on for. I can't remember. I don't believe that. Once again, trying to make herself look better in the situation because she was there.

• 2:01:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 2:01:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  But what the, the version of events she described, I believe absolutely happened. And I don't believe that Kayla was the one who killed Harmony or beat her in the car that day.

• 2:01:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I agree with that.

• 2:01:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so after living in Anthony Bodeiro's Audi for two nights, Adam and Kayla, along with their two sons, went to live with Kayla's aunt Kimberly Simmons, who lived on South Main Street in Manchester. Now, they really. Didn't go to live there. They, they went there because they wanted to have the aunt convince Kayla's mother to let them live with her. So Kayla said that when they got to her aunt's place, Adam placed the Duffle bag, holding Harmony's body inside of it, under their porch. So Kayla said they were only there for a few hours because their intention was to have Kimberly call Kayla's mother, Christina Lubin, and convince her to let them stay there. Now, Christina ended up agreeing. She went to pick them up in her van, a van that Adam loaded

• 2:02:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  the Duffle bag into. Obviously Christina has no idea of this at this point, I would assume. I, I will give her the benefit of the doubt in that because Christina's not Kayla. I'm sure she didn't know.

• 2:02:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Now, I've seen that interview. I mean, I'm judging it with very little, very little

• 2:02:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  Context.

• 2:02:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, very little context and also a small sample size. But she sounds, God bless her soul for this, but she just sounds like she's kind of out there and she's not really completely aware of everything that's going on around her.

• 2:03:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  She sounds like she wants to protect

• 2:03:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Daughter.

• 2:03:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Her daughter while still having Harmony have justice, right?

• 2:03:15Derrick Levasseur?

  And also try to protect herself because I'm sure a lot of people are looking at her like, what were you doing? And rightfully so. So I, I, I agree with you though.

• 2:03:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  But remember Christina also called CPS, you know, during the time that Uncle Kevin was calling too. So she clearly had her concerns.

• 2:03:30Derrick Levasseur?

  But I, but I agree with you. I don't think she knew, I don't think she knew, oh, that Duffle bag has Harmony in it. But you would think at that point she might've said, where's Harmony? I don't know.

• 2:03:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  She said she did and that Kayla and Adam told her Harmony was with her mom, Crystal.

• 2:03:42Derrick Levasseur?

  Sure.

• 2:03:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Adam and Kayla and the kids stayed with Christina Lubin for roughly two weeks until December 29th. Kayla said that when they arrived at her mother's residence on Dubuque Street, Adam removed the Duffle bag from the van and kept it in the same cooler that Christina Lubin had left money for them in not long before. Remember that flat tire?

• 2:04:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 2:04:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  So Christina left money in the cooler and was like, it's in the cooler. Kayla knew where the cooler was because this was a red cooler with a white top that Christina had for a while and she would sometimes leave money in there for Kayla because of where the cooler was located, which was not inside the apartment. So Christina could leave money in there when she wasn't home. The cooler would be kept in a hallway outside of the apartment that was a common area for all the units in that building. So this is where Harmony's body is during this time period that they're staying with Christina.

• 2:04:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  So on December 30th, Kayla and Adam, along with their two sons, relocated again. This time to a Families in Transition Shelter on Lake Ave in Manchester, where they would remain for about a month and a half.

• 2:04:47Speaker 03

  When you moved to the fit shelter, where was Harmony's body?

• 2:04:53Speaker 02

  Adam put her

• 2:04:57Speaker 02

  in the ceiling. In the vent of the room that we stayed in. He climbed, used the bunk bed and climbed up in the ceiling. The vent above the bed. Adam moved it so he could go in the ceiling.

• 2:05:13Speaker 03

  Now, did you ever touch that vent, Kayla?

• 2:05:15Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:05:18Speaker 02

  You could smell a horrible smell that was coming through the vents.

• 2:05:27Speaker 03

  Do you remember that horrible smell?

• 2:05:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:05:33Speaker 03

  Did maintenance come at some point while you were living there because of that smell?

• 2:05:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:05:38Speaker 03

  And what happened when those maintenance workers came?

• 2:05:42Speaker 02

  Adam took her

• 2:05:45Speaker 02

  back down from out of the ceiling and brought the bag in the bathroom.

• 2:05:54Speaker 03

  And what happened when Adam brought Harmony down from the ceiling?

• 2:05:58Speaker 02

  She was starting to smell and there was fluid leaking.

• 2:06:05Speaker 03

  And did you see the fluid?

• 2:06:07Speaker 02

  No, I didn't see it.

• 2:06:09Speaker 03

  How do you know about the fluid that was leaking?

• 2:06:11Speaker 02

  Adam said that.

• 2:06:13Speaker 03

  What did he say?

• 2:06:15Speaker 02

  He said that there was

• 2:06:18Speaker 02

  blood up in the ceiling and fluid.

• 2:06:25Speaker 03

  And so what did he do with that Duffle bag containing Harmony?

• 2:06:30Speaker 02

  He put her in a trash bag.

• 2:06:34Speaker 03

  What did he put those garbage bags into, if anything?

• 2:06:37Speaker 02

  He put the garbage bags inside that bag.

• 2:06:40Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I was just gonna, I was just gonna say this, that, again, I don't know where this story is going as far as the last point that we know Harmony was, but when you have a dead body, even if it's only a couple hours, your body kind of relaxes and it releases a lot of gases and liquids and there's, it's very often, it doesn't even have to be blood, but you can have like mucus and bodily fluids that just come out of you and your body basically starts to, I guess the word I'm looking for is liquefy to a certain degree, like any fluids that you have built up in you, including the blood, will start to just, there's no longer a system in place to keep that in check. And so I would imagine in that vent area, after the fact, law enforcement were able to go up there and swab and probably find remnants

• 2:07:25Derrick Levasseur?

  of, of a decomposing body, whether it's the fluids or any type of skin cells or something like that, they might be able to find something up there to prove that at one point there was, there was a body up there, I would think.

• 2:07:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, we're gonna talk about that in a minute, but first I want to clarify, when Kayla refers to that bag, uh, she's referring to a CMC tote bag. It's like a tote bag from a hospital maternity ward. And I want you to understand that this canvas tote, which first of all, canvas isn't like a

• 2:07:58Derrick Levasseur?

  No, it's not waterproof.

• 2:07:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's not, it's not a forgiving material, it's not stretchy. This canvas tote was about 12 inches wide and about 10 to 11 inches tall, just a medium sized bag, not a big bag. And she's saying that the, Adam put Harmony's body into, into that tote bag.

• 2:08:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Stephanie, if I'm interpreting this correctly, and I'm sure there's photos out there, when you described the cooler, I'm thinking of a cooler you would bring to a sporting event or a campsite. I'm not thinking of like a freezer where you keep all the meat. Think about how small the internal compartment

• 2:08:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Just like an igloo cooler.

• 2:08:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, how small is that compartment of that cooler with the insulation to keep the ice in there from melting? Very tiny. I, it was running through my head as you were saying it, like that red and white. Cooler, you see him all the time at convenience stores and Target and all that. This is extremely small. Now, her body would naturally shrink due to decomposition, so that would would help with that, but still, just a horrific image to think about.

• 2:08:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  So to imagine what Adam would have had to have done, though, to get her body into that bag.

• 2:08:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Trust me, you don't want to know.

• 2:08:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Knowing that's his daughter, yeah. It's just absolutely horrendous.

• 2:09:00Speaker 02

  Adam squished her into the bag.

• 2:09:03Speaker 03

  Is this similar to that CMC bag?

• 2:09:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:09:06Speaker 03

  Is it in fact identical to that CMC bag?

• 2:09:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:09:09Speaker 03

  So the defendant put Harmony into garbage bags? And he squished her into a bag like this one?

• 2:09:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:09:16Speaker 03

  And this again was at the Harmony's in transition shelter?

• 2:09:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:09:22Speaker 03

  Where did he do that to her?

• 2:09:24Speaker 02

  In the bathroom of the room that we stayed in.

• 2:09:28Speaker 03

  Did she fill that bag, that CMC bag that you just saw?

• 2:09:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:09:33Speaker 03

  Her body filled that bag?

• 2:09:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:09:36Speaker 03

  And what did he do with the bag after he put her in there?

• 2:09:40Speaker 02

  He put her back in the ceiling.

• 2:09:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Kayla has a lot of details for not being involved.

• 2:09:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, she was involved. She sat there and watched, watched all of it happen.

• 2:09:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, she knows a lot. She knows a lot for kind of trying to separate herself and...

• 2:09:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I will say, they never did recover this exact tote bag that Kayla describes Adam using. But investigators did go to the FIT Shelter where Kayla claims this happened, and they found evidence there. So forensics located a prominent, deep, dark-colored stain on the top side of the ceiling sheet rock, right next to the vent opening. Testing confirmed that this stain was caused by blood and bodily decomposition fluid that had leaked through the Duffle bag. State lab DNA expert Alan Ackroyd Izaylis testified that testing on the ceiling components resulted in an extremely high probability match to Harmony Montgomery. Harmony's DNA was also extracted from the metal ceiling joists and railings supporting the suspended ceiling where the Duffle bag had rusted.

• 2:10:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  A latent fingerprint examiner testified that he successfully recovered Adam Montgomery's fingerprints and palm prints directly on the metal framing and surrounding area of the ceiling vent. So this physically placed Adam's hands inside the ceiling cavity where Harmony's remains were hidden. Forensics isolated 10 distinct usable prints on the metal vent and surrounding framework. Nine of those prints were positively matched to Adam. The 10th print belonged to a drywall contractor who had renovated the shelter, that room specifically, years prior. Now additionally, when Manchester Police detectives removed the vent cover and pulled the metal framing apart in June of 2022, they noted a heavy, pungent, rotted smell, still there that many years later.

• 2:11:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Detective Ray Lamy and Officer Riley Scott both testified that the smell was instantly recognizable to them as human decomposition. This odor was so potent during the crime that shelter staff records showed work orders were submitted regarding a foul smell in the room while the family lived there. Adam's defense team would try to blame Kayla. They would float this alternate timeline where Harmony died in the car on the morning of December 7th while Adam was away from the car. However, the complete absence of Kayla's prints inside the ceiling and pair that with Kayla's specific testimony that Adam was the sole person who physically climbed up and handled the vent and shoved the Duffle bag inside the ceiling, it makes it difficult to believe, right?

• 2:12:04Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it gives her some credibility, at least in that sense, that what she's saying, there's validity to what her statement.

• 2:12:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so some people are like, well, you know, Adam, like, why would you be up there hiding your daughter's body if this woman just killed your daughter who was so beloved to you and who you, you know, wanted to protect? So Adam's lawyers countered this. They admitted that their client did horrible things to help Kayla cover up Harmony's death, but he only did it because he was trying to protect her and keep his family together. Like, I lost one child and now I have to, you know, try to keep the rest of my family together. Obviously, the jury did not buy it, right? However, since the New Hampshire Supreme Court threw out Adam's murder conviction on a technicality regarding how the charges were grouped,

• 2:12:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Adam's defense team is definitely preparing to use this exact Kayla did it strategy as their primary weapon if and when the state moves forward with a retrial. And that's why covering Harmony's case right now is so important. That's why examining every detail at this time is so important. Which we will obviously continue to do next week in part three, but that's why.

• 2:13:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Put them both behind bars, but no, I mean, this isn't about, this isn't what the story is about, but man, special person to go out there and try to defend Adam and imagine if you're lucky enough as a defense attorney that it actually works. Right? How do you, I'm just gonna say, I don't care if it pisses people off. How do you sleep at night? What if it actually works? Where you defend this fuckin' scumbag and he gets off? And he's out there. Right? Cause Kayla's not going to prison now at this point, right? It's too late for that.

• 2:13:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  She got a move.

• 2:13:39Derrick Levasseur?

  She's not going to prison, so at best, your client walks. Now, everyone deserves representation, all that stuff, whatever. We agree with that, but when it's this much evidence, how do you, how do you process that? How do you rationalize that? Where you say, hey, you know what? That's on, that's on the police department. They should have did better.

• 2:14:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Unbelievable, but let's keep it focused on what we're really here for.

• 2:14:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  But I mean, like, think about it, right? You're right. This goes to a trial, a retrial. And, and this is a different jury. And the defense puts up enough of a reasonable doubt argument where Kayla could have been, you know, could have been the one who killed Harmony while Adam was away from the car. I'm not sure how they're going to prove that Adam was away from the car because from what we can tell, it was the methadone clinic. Maybe they'll say that she killed Harmony while he was in the methadone clinic, right? Uh, they might try to do that, but let's say that enough people on those jury, that jury is like, well, that, that's possible. And then, he gets away with this.

• 2:14:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's, it's a very chilling, yet, you know, I would, I wouldn't have a hard time believing anything these days, honestly, like.

• 2:14:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, like I said, I mean, different strokes for different folks. I, I don't know. I'm sure we'll have some defense attorneys in the comments that will have a rebuttal for what I just said. Um, for me personally, I don't know. I don't know how you, I don't know how you justify that one, but to keep it focused on what's important here. Harmony, I know we have another part for this one, probably two more or just one more. What do you think instead?

• 2:15:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm not sure yet.

• 2:15:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Not sure yet, okay. Now, the focus for me is obviously going through the rest of the case, but the last point where Harmony was visually spotted, right? Because in a perfect world, even though it's been some time now, and even though her body's not going to be in the best condition, I would love for her to be found and to bring her home and give her a proper burial and reunite her with the people that did care about her. There's not a lot, but there were some people who cared about her and, and she deserves that. I forget the fact that it's going to solidify what happened in that house or in that car. It's more about bringing her home. The problem I see here, without knowing where you're going to go with this story,

• 2:15:55Derrick Levasseur?

  is that he put her back up in the vent with, with the garbage bags inside this canvas bag. And I'm sure Shannon will throw a photo up this canvas bag up. A lot of you have probably had a bag similar to this. I first thought of the Crime Weekly bag that we gave away at Crime Con. It's the exact bag, like a canvas bag. It's not even a Duffle bag.

• 2:16:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Promotional bag.

• 2:16:12Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 2:16:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, well, there was a Duffle bag and then there was the canvas bag.

• 2:16:15Derrick Levasseur?

  My concern is that at some point, because she's so small, that you could easily put her into a trash can or a dumpster somewhere along the way. And I've talked to you guys about trash pulls before for search warrants. When there's nobody in there, but there's just old food. To me, it gives a very similar smell. There's, there's going to be maggots, there's going to be a stench that makes you want to throw up in your mouth. And it's hard for me to differentiate between a dead body and that. There is a distinct smell. I get what they're saying. I've unfortunately smelt it many of times, but if it's been, if it's been sitting out in the sun for long enough, it would be hard for a garbage man to see that, to smell the difference where he goes, whoa, this bag doesn't smell great.

• 2:16:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, yeah. And I don't think garbage men are really doing a lot of-

• 2:16:58Derrick Levasseur?

  No, they're not, and they're smelling-

• 2:16:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know, analysis of what they're smelling because they smell such bad things all the time.

• 2:17:02Derrick Levasseur?

  And so if that happened and she ended up in a landfill, it's the visual definition of, of a needle in a haystack.

• 2:17:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Because you don't know when she was there.

• 2:17:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Unless Adam comes forward and confesses, which-

• 2:17:13Derrick Levasseur?

  And even if he did, even if he confessed and said, I threw her in dumpster A on this date. There may be a general vicinity within the landfill that she would have been, but that was years ago. And so that, that's going to be a hard one. I hope that's not the case. I hope that for Harmony's sake, she was buried somewhere.

• 2:17:34Derrick Levasseur?

  And if that's the case, that means we could still bring her home.

• 2:17:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I don't think that's looking like a possibility, though.

• 2:17:40Derrick Levasseur?

  It's not looking promising, but until you tell me otherwise, I'm gonna hold on to that hope, but this is a, this was, as far as the details, this is one of the worst episodes we've ever done. Because we usually don't have this much insight into the specifics of how this child was killed. We have a lot of cases where we don't even know if they're still alive or dead. This one seems pretty clear, especially with the forensic evidence backing it up, that Harmony is no longer with us, and not only that, she died a horrific death. And so, there's no, there's nothing positive to take away from this episode.

• 2:18:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, no, but, I mean, once again, he's gonna be coming up for retrial. And I am not, I'm not saying I'm trying to like, influence anyone.

• 2:18:24Derrick Levasseur?

  He's gonna go to prison. He's gonna go to prison. I don't think there's any person in this, on this planet, who's going to, we're gonna manifest that, and like I said, and I stand behind it, he will be in prison, and it may not be the first year, or the third year, or the fifth year, but, there's a lot of parents in prison who are doing life, and they don't take kindly to, to, to child killers.

• 2:18:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, hopefully.

• 2:18:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Code, code. It just happened. There was just one recently, did you see that video? Recently, where there's three guys that are in prison for life. If you Google it, it's gonna pop right up. It just happened. And they basically file a child killer into a cell. And the three of them, they admitted to it. We murdered them. We don't care.

• 2:19:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:03Derrick Levasseur?

  They came out of the cell and smiled about it. But yeah, I hope, I hope everyone's okay after listening. That's a tough episode, even for people who cover this all the time. That's a really difficult episode to get through, and, and, the reason we cover it is because we know Adam's gonna be coming up for trial again, and let's make sure they do it right, and that we show a public show of force where we want justice for Harmony, and Adam needs to be behind bars.

• 2:19:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  He needs to be where he belongs, yeah.

• 2:19:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep. Any final words from you, Stephanie? There's really not much to say.

• 2:19:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, I think we've said enough. Let's give everyone a break and let them sit with this for a little while, and we will see you guys next week.

• 2:19:40Derrick Levasseur?

  Absolutely. Hug your kids tonight. Give them a kiss. We appreciate you guys. We love you. Everyone stay safe out there. We'll see you next week.