Bart & Krista Halderson | The Final Days of Chandler Halderson’s Elaborate Lie (Part 4)

By the Summer of 2021, Bart and Krista Halderson were living the quintessential Midwestern life. They owned a beautiful home in Windsor, Wisconsin, and a rustic family cabin up north in White Lake, where they loved spending time together. They were also preparing to cross the finish line of parenting. Their oldest son Mitchell was a successful tech professional, engaged and in the process of buying a house. Their youngest son Chandler was days away from moving to Florida to work for SpaceX. But on July 7th, 2021, the dream shattered. Chandler went to the police station to report his parents missing. Bart and Krista had gone up north to the family cabin for the Fourth of July weekend with an unknown couple. They never came back.

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• 0:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:15Derrick Levasseur?

  And I'm Derrick Levasseur.

• 0:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  So today, we are diving into the fourth and final part of the Bart and Krista Halderson case.

• 0:22Derrick Levasseur?

  What a roller coaster of events it's been.

• 0:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  What a roller coaster. I agree.

• 0:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Lot of people in the comments from, from last episode. That was a, that was a difficult episode because of the details associated with it, especially the disposal of Bart and Krista. But necessary, necessary to fully understand the case. And I was saying it in Crime Weekly News earlier this week, that there are a lot of people who are familiar with this case. We're not the first to cover it. And yet, they're discovering things about this investigation that they had never heard before. So, good job by you.

• 0:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, I think that people, they're like, why are you covering this? We've heard this. Or in the first episode, they were like, so many people have covered this. And it's like, but you don't understand when I cover it, the reason that, and people get annoyed with me, like especially Derek, because he's like, how many parts is it gonna be? And I'm like, I don't know. The reason that I find things is because I go so deep and I like leave no stone unturned for my own. That's, that's the only way I can do it. So, yeah, there's gonna be things that come up that, that weren't.

• 1:16Derrick Levasseur?

  No, this case is horrific. This is, this is a bad one. The only thing that I left last week's episode, it was something that still bothers me, and I don't think we'll ever truly have the answer. And the testimony from Chandler Halderson's friend, and I apologize, I can't remember his name, the person who gave him the SKS.

• 1:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, yeah, the, the Army guy.

• 1:35Derrick Levasseur?

  That whole thing bothers me. And I'll tell you why. And this is anecdotal. That's an expensive gun.

• 1:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know.

• 1:40Derrick Levasseur?

  And I have a lot of people who are gun owners in my life, and I can't tell you a single person who's given up on a gun that expensive for free, just to give it as a gift, when they weren't really that close.

• 1:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, they've been friends for a few years. They talked every day. So, I mean, I guess, like.

• 1:57Derrick Levasseur?

  There's probably nothing to it, but I just, it was just something that, I'm not gonna make any accusations, but just something was odd about it to me. It just bothered me. I don't even know why completely, but it was just something that, if I were working this case, I might have dug a little deeper into that transaction. I don't know if it would have uncovered anything, but I would have, I would have dug deeper into it. I would have pulled on that thread a little bit more.

• 2:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, like how much? Because I mean, so much of their conversations happened over the game. So there's not been any way to track that electronically.

• 2:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. And I don't want to be speculative, but I do wonder what conversations had happened and if there was.

• 2:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  If there was any thought in his mind that this kid might use this gun for something that, that he shouldn't. Because I mean, Chandler sent off red flags for a lot of people who knew him even growing up. So did he not send off red flags for this guy?

• 2:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 2:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't know.

• 2:42Derrick Levasseur?

  And I mean, he even acknowledged that the gun was hidden in the basement. So there was no dispute that he knew his parents didn't want the gun in the house, and yet he still gave it to him. So I don't know. It just bothered me. I don't know what to think of it, but something now in hindsight, maybe not as important, but if I were working the case to make sure we got everybody who could be potentially connected to this, that is something that I would have, I would have dug a little deeper into. Maybe they didn't, it just never came out at trial because it would, they didn't find anything.

• 3:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, or maybe it was like, yeah, in this case, maybe not an issue, but maybe in general, this guy might be an issue. Yeah.

• 3:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Not to go off on a tangent, just something that I was left thinking about on my drive home from, like I often do when we have like a two hour episode.

• 3:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, when we left off last week, Chandler's girlfriend Kat had clocked him in a weird place on July 3rd, 2021, by the Wisconsin River. She'd seen him at this location on Snapchat, and this was the very same location where the partial remains of his mother Krista Halderson would be recovered on July 14th, 2021. Now, remember Kat had left Chandler's home early that morning, very early, because he told her he had chores to do. And then Chandler left the house in his father's Subaru at 7:48 a.m., at which point he was unresponsive to Kat's text messages between 8 a.m. and 9 a.m. And then at 9:31 a.m., Chandler returned home in the Subaru, but left again at 10:09 a.m. to head to Kat's mother's house where

• 4:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  he and Kat had lunch and finished watching a show on Netflix that they'd started the night before, when she spent the night at Chandler's house. Kat said on this day Chandler seemed exhausted, which obviously dude's not sleeping because he's, he's running around town, having, you know, fires for multiple hours at night. But he seemed exhausted. And although they'd planned to hang out that night and watch fireworks together, Chandler had to leave early to go home and take care of the dogs. So, we see Chandler in his father's Subaru, return to the Halderson home at 3:07 p.m., because he's got to take care of the dogs, and he's exhausted. But then he left again at 10:08 p.m. Now, between 10:37 p.m. and 11:03 p.m., Chandler's cell phone tower records, they placed him in the

• 4:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  area of Portage by the Wisconsin River. Authorities did attempt to search this area, believing that this late night trip was Chandler disposing of more evidence and probably human remains in the river, but they were unable to find anything. The Wisconsin River near Portage has swift, deceptively dangerous currents. The river flows southwest directly into the Mississippi River, and eventually all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico. So, besides the remains of Bart Halderson found on the farm, and the remains of Krista Halderson found in Roxbury, no other remains were ever found from these two people. We know that some were burned, and yes, Chandler more than likely disposed of quite a bit of the remains in the Wisconsin River. I'm gonna talk about this later, but it's like,

• 5:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  why would you leave some of the remains where you left them, and then dispose of others in the river, when the river's probably the better option?

• 5:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I would agree. We always talk about these things, and like, the basic answer is, these guys aren't that bright, Chandler specifically. But it also could have been an evolution where the original plan was the fireplace. But you talked about all the complications that he had with the fireplace. And so he called an audible. He changed it up and said, man, this is gonna take forever. Not only is it gonna take forever, but it's leaving behind a lot of forensic evidence that can be used against me later.

• 6:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  That I have to clean up. Yeah.

• 6:05Derrick Levasseur?

  And so, the easier route, which I should have done in the first place, would be to dispose of the bodies in a body of water. That was something that was decided after trying the fire, which he thought originally was the way to go.

• 6:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  I also think he was like, man, this was a lot of work to clean this up. But I always wondered, why go to the family farm of someone so associated with your girlfriend and leave the torso just back out there in the woods?

• 6:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I think he thought that there wouldn't be a lot of investigation. It was an area that he was familiar with. It was a private property. So unless they had probable cause to be there, they wouldn't. But I think one thing he didn't account for is the family members being in the pool at the exact time when he went back there. That was, that was something that really helped law enforcement. Those witnesses were critical in this case, his behaviors, and the things that he did upon returning back to the pool. So I think in his mind, he thought he could go back there, dump the body, nobody would ever even know he was there. Unfortunately for him, that's not how it played out.

• 7:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  But he knows that there's people there, like they could say, yeah, I think you're right. I think he was like, I'm gonna report my parents missing.

• 7:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and nobody's gonna look into it.

• 7:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't think he ever intended to report them missing. It's just that everyone around him was like, hey, you should do this.

• 7:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  So he probably did it sooner than he wanted to. But I don't think he thought that anyone was ever gonna be like, there's more to the story than what you're telling us. Then we have the following day, that's July 4th. This is the day that Chandler and Kat would hang out with her family on Cress's farm property. And this is also the day that Chandler turned on his mother's cell phone to send himself a message, pretending to be Krista. Afterwards, Chandler and Kat went to her mother's house, but they would both end up back at the Halderson home that night. Kat said that they went to her mom's house, and then he left right away because he had to get home to feed the dogs. And neighborhood surveillance showed Chandler in the Subaru arriving back at 7:29 p.m., and then Kat arrived shortly after at 7:52 p.m. And she spends the night again. So this is the second

• 7:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  time during this week where Kat is spending the night at the Halderson home.

• 8:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 8:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, the next morning, July 5th, Kat left early again, but this time it's because it's Monday, she had to go to work. So she left around 7:46 a.m. At 8:47 a.m., Chandler took the garbage and recycling bins out to the end of the driveway. Now, remember that Bart and Krista's blood would be found on the handle and inside the garbage bin. And it's believed that Chandler used this bin to dispose of at least his cleanup material, if not, small portions of remains.

• 8:28Derrick Levasseur?

  I agree. I think it would be almost impossible not to have some small particles of the remains mixed up in all of that.

• 8:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  The garbage and recycling, and the waste management ones, so we're talking about the garbage that you have, you pay somebody to come and get, right? Like, commercial garbage disposal.

• 8:42Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 8:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  They sat at the end of the driveway for a few days after he brought them down. And there's gonna be video of him sometimes stopping at the end of the driveway, and you can't really see what he's doing, but I think he's throwing more stuff in there. So at this point, those garbage bins would have been considered abandoned material. And the police could have gone in and taken anything out at any time without a warrant.

• 9:02Derrick Levasseur?

  You have no right to that trash. Once it hits the road, it is now abandoned property, and the expectation of privacy is gone.

• 9:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he just left it out there, like.

• 9:10Derrick Levasseur?

  This is the difference between someone, I don't even want to call them a professional, but someone who's done the research.

• 9:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Done the research, yeah.

• 9:17Derrick Levasseur?

  And a novice, because, not to give anybody ideas, but this is not gonna be some new revelation for you, Stephanie, with all the cases you've covered. But you wouldn't want to put anything in your garbage cans, because you would know detectives could forensically analyze those trash cans later. What you would do is place it into trash bags and dump it at a public dumpster somewhere completely unconnected to you, or directly to the landfill, where it's gonna be a needle in a haystack. Again, Chandler really didn't think this went out. And I think it goes back to what we've been talking about.

• 9:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, he tried to go to the dump, remember? But it was closed because of the holiday weekend. Yeah.

• 9:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. He did. I still think it goes back to what we talked about a lot last episode, where he may have had thoughts about killing his parents over an extended period of time. There wasn't a Large window of opportunity between when he finally decided to do it and when he actually did it. He ran out of options in his mind. And so it wasn't a very well thought out plan and you can see that in the aftermath of how he executed everything. Just terribly done.

• 10:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I think he, he didn't think it through.

• 10:16Derrick Levasseur?

  No.

• 10:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  He probably thought the fireplace was gonna work the whole time.

• 10:19Derrick Levasseur?

  I think he killed Bart and then was like, what do I do now?

• 10:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  So the authorities would eventually search the waste management landfill outside Johnson Creek, but they didn't find anything because as we know, that kind of search is literally a needle in a haystack search. They were unable to find anything. They brought cadaver dogs. They brought scent dogs. I don't think people realize how massive these landfills are. Everything, all the garbage from, from all these areas, the accumulative amount of areas are going there. And there's going to be a ton of stuff that cadaver dogs and scent dogs are going to hit on basically in, in these, these landfills.

• 10:52Derrick Levasseur?

  Over 300 sensors and, and sensory cells in their nose.

• 10:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  It would be overwhelming for them.

• 10:57Derrick Levasseur?

  It's gonna be overwhelming for them and there's gonna be other flesh materials in there, whether it's human or animal.

• 11:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Blood, fecal matter. Yeah.

• 11:06Derrick Levasseur?

  And they should be able to differentiate between the two, but think about how difficult that would be. You're gonna have to have a really top notch dog and again, know what you're looking for and where it is. It's very difficult, almost, I would say impossible.

• 11:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  Almost impossible. Yeah, I agree. At 11:33 AM that day, this is July 5th, Kat was texting Chandler from work complaining about her job and how unhappy she was there. Chandler texted back, quote, "Don't piss them off till we know for sure we are moving," end quote. Because as of now, Kat is still under the impression that Chandler's working for SpaceX. He never did, but he still hasn't even told her that he's quote unquote, "lost the job." That comes later. She then starts texting Chandler about methods of transportation to get to Titusville, Florida. Because remember Chandler, he had injuries from his fall down the stairs that were so extensive that his doctors had told him he couldn't fly. So I think Chandler was also using this fall as a way to kind of set up the news that he wasn't going to be able to go to Florida and work for SpaceX.

• 12:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Cause how could he get there if he can't fly? You know, it's in a completely different state, not easy to get there. He doesn't even have a car, by the way. So Kat was looking for alternatives for him to get to Florida because she's gonna follow him later. She wants to look at alternatives that don't include a commercial airline. So at 11:46 AM, she said, quote, "Greyhound isn't too expensive for a trip to Titusville. No pressure, just saying," end quote. And Chandler responded, quote, "Nope, $870 for a straight shot to Orlando," end quote. He then told Kat, and you know, $870 to Orlando, it's gonna be another $200. She's taking Uber from Orlando to Titusville. That's gonna put the cost of the trip at over a thousand bucks and then I'm not even gonna be able to bring a lot of my stuff. And Kat was like, what are you talking about? I'm looking at the Greyhound website currently as we speak.

• 12:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  And they even pulled it up in court that at the time she was sending this, she was screenshotting the Greyhound website. So she said, "I'm looking at the Greyhound website. It's only $240 to go straight to Titusville." So what the hell are you looking at? What are you talking about? And Chandler wrote back, quote, "WTF? Where am I looking?" end quote. And Kat wrote back, quote, "You're very off," end quote.

• 13:09Derrick Levasseur?

  She didn't know how significant that statement was.

• 13:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, you're very off Chandler.

• 13:14Derrick Levasseur?

  So many layers. She doesn't even understand yet.

• 13:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Doesn't get much more off than that.

• 13:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 13:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now Chandler had also told Kat that he had a doctor's appointment that afternoon at the UW clinic for his injuries. And she'd been trying to leave work early that day so that she could take him, but she'd been unable to get off of work. So at 1:31 PM, Kat texted Chandler to let her know when he got to his appointment and he responded back, "Yes, dear." Now she's saying, "Tell me when you get your appointment because it's not necessarily a short drive and he's not supposed to be driving at all according to his doctor's recommendations." So that's why she was trying to drive him, but he didn't want her to, obviously. So at 1:40 PM, Kat wrote to Chandler, quote, "I love you. It's gonna be okay," end quote. A minute later Chandler texted back, quote, "Either way, you and me are gonna be happy," end quote.

• 13:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  At 2:09 PM Chandler texted Kat that he had, quote, "Made it a bit ago and checked in," end quote. Then he texted her, "BRB." At 2:19 PM Kat asked Chandler if she was picking him up later and told him she got out of work at 5:00. At 2:22 PM Chandler texted Kat and told her he had terrible reception. And Kat was like, "Why? Doesn't the clinic have wifi?" So Kat, who worked in the healthcare field and had been to these clinics before, she understood and knew that all UW health clinics had free wifi. So she told Chandler, "Well, if you don't have reception on your phone," which that's weird, but if you don't have reception on your phone, "then hook up to wifi and then we can message through Snapchat." So at 2:23 PM Chandler wrote, quote, "No connection to even load Snapchat and no wifi,

• 14:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  but I can still get your iMessages," end quote. Now at this point Kat is heavily suspicious. Even if she wasn't saying that to Chandler and even if she wouldn't admit that now, I know as a woman that she's heavily suspicious. Not suspicious that Chandler had killed his parents, but suspicious that he was lying to her about something because he was claiming he didn't have connection and no wifi because this removed Kat's ability to see his location on Snapchat.

• 15:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 15:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right?

• 15:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, we already know, you said it a couple of episodes ago, that he, he cheated on her. There were already trust issues.

• 15:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, there's already trust issues and the way that she keeps tabs on him is through Snapchat because she's messaging him on Snapchat. And then if he doesn't message her back on Snapchat, she tells him to message her on Snapchat because as soon as you open that app.

• 15:26Derrick Levasseur?

  It updates your location.

• 15:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  It updates your location. So she could see where he's at. And this is maybe something he'd forgotten the day before was that she was able to see his location at any time through Snapchat and now he'd learned his lesson. So he's not opening Snapchat and he has to say he can't open Snapchat because he has no reception and no wifi. He's saying, "I have no service and no wifi." And he's like, "But I'm still getting your iMessages."

• 15:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, that's wifi.

• 15:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  That doesn't make any sense. Exactly. That is wifi.

• 15:54Derrick Levasseur?

  Although I would argue it is, it also can be LTE.

• 15:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's not getting any reception and he has no wifi.

• 15:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Right, right. Well, that's where he tripped up.

• 16:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I'm probably not gonna be able to talk to you right now because I'm not getting any reception and I have no wifi.

• 16:05Derrick Levasseur?

  And if those bubbles are coming over blue, you're cooked.

• 16:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and Kat's like, "Hmm, that's weird." You need an active wifi or cellular data connection to receive an iMessage. iMessage relies entirely on the internet rather than standard cellular channel. So if you didn't have data, it would go through as a regular text message. So Kat wrote back to Chandler, quote, "Weird. They all have it, but maybe it's your carrier," end quote. She's suspicious. In fact, Chandler was lying to Kat the entire time because the entire time he's telling her he's at the clinic, he was at his house. He never left his house. And he needs her to think he's at the clinic because he's got this huge doctor's appointment that's super important, but he never went anywhere. He didn't leave the house.

• 16:44Derrick Levasseur?

  She's lucky she didn't go by.

• 16:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, because she's at work and he knows. He knows she's at work. He's lucky she didn't say, "I'm about to take a, a long lunch and drive by."

• 16:52Derrick Levasseur?

  I say she's lucky because again, something that you mentioned last episode with Chandler, this is someone who doesn't have a lot of emotion and anybody who's not with him is against him. And I do think you were right in your assessment where if she had gone down to the basement or if she had come by unexpectedly and seen something that she wasn't supposed to, I think he might've killed her as well.

• 17:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I think it would've taken a lot longer and a lot more with Kat because it seems that she was very eager to believe everything he told her.

• 17:19Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he was manipulating her left and right, probably gaslighting her to believe that she's the problem and that he, she's just looking into things too deeply.

• 17:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or he makes himself a victim, right? So like with his parents, they were safe as long as they were allowing him to lie to them and not questioning him. So if Kat had stopped by, "Why aren't you at the, the clinic?" He could've been like, "You know Kat, I know this looks bad, but it's because I knew how bad the news was gonna be and I just can't take anymore. My parents are missing." And she would've been like, "Oh, poor baby Chandler. Oh, let mommy make it better for you. I'm so sorry. Can I help you to the couch?" You know, like.

• 17:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, let's have sex, but then you have to leave.

• 17:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. Let's have sex with it. You can't spend the night.

• 17:54Derrick Levasseur?

  You can't spend the night.

• 17:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I think with Kat, like she pushes back a little, he gives her an explanation. She believes it because it's easier than the alternative, which is he's lying to you. At 3:25 PM Chandler wrote to Kat that he was heading home and he told her they had taken an X-ray and a CAT scan. And he said, quote, "Nothing bad on the X-ray," end quote. Kat wrote back, quote, "Ay, Florida," end quote. Ay, that's what, that's what they do with the Gen Z people. Ay, Florida. And then she's still incredibly suspicious though. And I know that because her next message said, quote, "Let me see face," end quote. Mm-hmm.

• 18:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 18:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  So during the trial Kat was asked, "What does that mean? What did you mean when you texted him, 'Let me see face'?" And she said, "Well, this is something that they would say to each other when they missed each other and they would then send each other snaps of each other's faces." And I think this is Kat, once again, not trusting Chandler, that he was where he said he was.

• 18:42Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt.

• 18:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  And that he was doing what he said he was doing. She's saying, "Let me see face. That means you gotta open up Snapchat and I will see your location."

• 18:49Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt. I mean, that's not even like a question. He just told you something positive and now it's like, well, I wanna see your face.

• 18:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I missed you. I miss you. So I wanna see your face. Like, like she forgot what that goofy looked like. Sorry.

• 18:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Literally was just with him the night before, but okay.

• 19:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Chandler changed the subject. He replied, quote, "CT scan hon," end quote. Now if I'm Kat, I'm gonna be like, "What the hell does that have to do with anything? What the hell does a CT scan you had earlier have to do with you showing me your face? You better open Snapchat right now." But he didn't. He changed the subject and Kat was like, "Well, what was on the scan?" Cause now she's worried because she's a good person and she cares. And Chandler replied, quote, "They haven't determined anything, but with my legs like they were and all, I gotta wait to hear what they determined," end quote. So really you just changed the subject and you just didn't wanna send her your face. At 3:29 PM Chandler told Kat not to be worried and asked if she wanted to FaceTime when she was done with work. She wrote back asking, quote, "So we're not worried?" end quote. And Chandler wrote back, quote, "I am," end quote. Kat's next message to Chandler said, quote, "Snap me back," end quote.

• 19:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  She's sending him Snapchats. He's not opening it.

• 19:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, she's being very direct now. Listen, snap me back.

• 19:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  Open Snapchat dude.

• 19:54Derrick Levasseur?

  Which is so obvious. I mean, she's communicating with him through text message and yet she's basically indirectly telling him, "I wanna." See where you currently are.

• 20:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he knows that and she knows he knows that.

• 20:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, for sure. And she tried to play it off at first and now she's like, no, but let me see where you are.

• 20:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's getting awkward now. It's getting a little uncomfy because he doesn't even respond to this text message. I'm gonna pretend I didn't see this one, you know? So at 3:58 PM, Kat texted again. Once again, no response. At 4:09 PM, she texted again, no response. Chandler does not want to open Snapchat because he knows that if he does, it will show that he's at home and he's been at home. At 4:16 PM, Chandler texts Kat, sorry. And then a few minutes later, he texted her that he was going to contact her mother's partner, Crass, because he needed some time at the water, meaning he was going to call Crass and see if he could swim in the pool. Kat explains this during her police interview and she's like, he found out that that swimming in the pool was really good physical therapy for his legs. And they were like, well, had he ever swam in the pool before that day?

• 20:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  He randomly called Crass and asked to go in the pool and she's like, no. And they're like, so he really only did this once and he found out that was good physical therapy for his legs? And she's like, yeah, then he was gonna go again, but then no one was home. Once again, even during the police interview, Kat is still kind of like buying what Chandler is telling her and trying to protect him.

• 21:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, you could tell from that interview that she she was in hook, line and sinker. And and and listen, young, impressionable, in love, wants to believe the best in someone. I know we gave her a little bit of shit during that first interview, but overall, she was naive. Chandler was definitely taking advantage of that.

• 21:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm not gonna say that on this day Chandler wasn't like, I'm gonna go to Crass's farm. He didn't want to go in the pool. We know that's code for Chandler wanting to go someplace where he could get rid of his father's remains, right? Because this is the day after the 4th of July, this is the day that Crass says he called her and he's like, I wanna swim in the pool. And then, you know, it kind of continues on with that, but let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.

• 21:50Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 21:55Derrick Levasseur?

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• 21:59Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 22:34Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 22:41Derrick Levasseur?

  That feels like too much.

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• 23:01Derrick Levasseur?

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• 23:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's kind of science I can get behind because I personally, I love, I I stay at rest, okay?

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• 24:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right, so we're back. What was Chandler doing all day when he was supposedly at the clinic getting x-rays and CT scans? In my opinion, we don't know. Once again, we don't know for sure. But in my opinion, based on everything that happened before, everything that happened after, he was most likely preparing Bart's torso to be transported to Crass's farm. And they never said any of this during the trial, but I think, based on this timeline and the evidence found, we can piece together what happened. So I did some math. I really went deep with this. Bart's torso probably weighed about 100 pounds. And the torso, it had been in the freezer for a few days. So it would take approximately 24 to 48 hours for the torso, that amount of human flesh to freeze in the freezer. So by the time Chandler was ready to move Bart's torso on July 5th,

• 25:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  he would have been dealing with a pretty well-frozen 100-pound mass. So I believe he used the rope from the garage to tie around Bart's torso, remember? Because the torso is found with the rope tied around it from the garage. I think he used the rope from the garage to tie around the torso so he could hoist it out of the freezer and and get it into the tarp that he had also purchased. He then wrapped the torso in the tarp. He pulled it up the basement stairs, through the house and into the garage where he was able to load it into the trunk of Bart's Subaru. There's a garbage can involved here, too. We're gonna talk about that in a second and I want to ask you what you think. But forensics on both Bart and Krista's vehicles did come back negative for blood. So his defense would try to use that as like, how did he get the torso to the farm?

• 26:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Like, his car was parked at the farm where the torso was found. Come on, he definitely did. So I guess our question would be, how did he get it there without, you know, any forensic evidence coming off in Bart's car? I think that's because the torso was so frozen, so the blood would be as well. And solidly frozen blood can't flow or drip, especially if the torso was like taped up inside of a tarp, which we know it was because there's tape found on the tarp from the Halderson garage. And if Chandler was able to ensure there were no gaps or rips. And if that torso and that tarp were in another receptacle, like a garbage can, which we'll talk about in a second. At 4:31 PM, neighborhood surveillance showed Chandler leaving his home for the first time that day in Bart's Subaru.

• 27:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  He pulled the car to the end of the driveway. He sat there for a few minutes. It kind of looks like he got out. He went back into the house through the front door, not the garage this time. Then he went back out to the car, stood outside the car for a bit. It seems like he's throwing something into the garbage can that he'd already brought to the end of the driveway. He then drove away and headed to Prairie Dusak where Crass's farm was located. This is the same location where the Allway hand saw was located, the hand saw that had Bart's blood on the teeth of the saw. During the trial, Dane County Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Rogaleska, testified that the wounds on Bart's shoulders and legs were consistent with the blade that was on the Allway saw. The handle of that saw was also found to have a mixture of blood belonging to both Bart and Krista,

• 27:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  meaning that Chandler was using this saw on both of the bodies at once, right? Or at least he had Krista's blood on his hand when he grabbed the handle of that saw. So he's taking their bodies apart at the same time, essentially. A broken hacksaw blade that matched the saw in the Halderson garage was found with Bart's blood on it. And this was, once again, found at the farm. And the ME determined that the fourth cervical vertebrae in Bart's neck had been cut with a blade consistent to that broken hacksaw blade. There were also a pair of kitchen scissors found at the farm with both Bart and Krista's blood on them, a pair of pruning shears that had both Bart and Krista's blood on the handle, but only Bart's blood on the head of the shears. Now, remember that there was a black rolling garbage can found at the farm as well,

• 28:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  outside the tree line, not far from where Bart's body was in the woods. And inside the garbage can was the tarp and the tape and all of those things that connected that tarp and tape to the Halderson garage. So not only did that garbage can match a lid that the police found in an upstairs bathroom of the Halderson home, because remember they're doing renovations, so this upstairs bathroom was under renovation. Nobody was using it, but there was a lid, a black garbage can lid. And that lid belonged to that garbage can found on Crass's property.

• 28:59Derrick Levasseur?

  It's such a plethora of evidence in this case. It was so poorly done. I can't even excuse just like the quick planning, like someone who who appeared to be on the surface intelligent. There's always mistakes, right? But there's just like, it's almost like he wanted to get caught. If I didn't know better, I would say he wanted to be apprehended for this. I know that's not true, but it's, it feels that way.

• 29:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  I wonder if his reasoning was like, yeah, it's it's normal if stuff from my house is found on this property because I know these people. Like, maybe was that his reasoning somehow?

• 29:27Derrick Levasseur?

  I think something you said earlier, Stephanie, although it sounds like an oversimplification, is the right answer. I think you're right. I truly just believe that he thought, because he's always been the victim in his own mind, that law enforcement would never even turn an eye toward him when he reported his parents missing, if he did. And that he thought he would always be perceived as a victim in this case. And he didn't really have to cover his tracks because he never even considered the possibility that he would be looked at as a suspect.

• 29:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  I wonder if like his parents and his girlfriend in a way enabled him to have that false sense.

• 30:02Derrick Levasseur?

  He's a perpetual victim.

• 30:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because they kind of allowed that?

• 30:05Derrick Levasseur?

  For sure. And he thought law enforcement would be patting him on the back and...

• 30:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  You're so brave. You're so courageous.

• 30:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Rubbing his tummy, making sure you're okay. He lived in that bubble where he he never considered the possibility he would be put under the light and he would have to answer for some of these things. And they would do their due diligence and investigate him thoroughly.

• 30:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  That his lies would be looked into because he was dealing with people who didn't know him, had no care towards him and had no bias.

• 30:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and saw him for who he was.

• 30:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  I really would love to have this guy be given some sort of truth serum and just like go through what his thought process was. Because you know, when he's telling Kat, I'm at the clinic at a doctor's appointment, I don't have reception. Yes, he didn't want her to know he was home, but he's also home trying to get this fricking torso out of the freezer, which he can't because he's just this, I mean, even without a neck injury, he's not like a strong person. And he's gonna have to reach deep into this freezer and pull out this frozen solid torso that's 100 pounds already. He has no leverage. He's got, that's when he's like, I gotta figure this out. I gotta get some rope. I gotta, you know, do all this.

• 31:06Derrick Levasseur?

  He's going through the process as he's doing it. He, there was no thought put into it, but yeah, I mean... This just does sound like a person who, and this is nothing against Bart and Krista, but they enabled a lot of the behavior leading up to it.

• 31:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, a lot of parents do that. Yeah.

• 31:21Derrick Levasseur?

  But here's the thing, the first time that they decided to push back against him and actually hold him accountable is when this happened.

• 31:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I will say, he's already thinking about this on July 4th, when he's at the farm, because he's telling Chris, hey, can I have your number? Maybe I feel like going swimming sometime.

• 31:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 31:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  He has now already thought about this on July 4th. He's thinking, oh, I got a torso in the freezer.

• 31:42Derrick Levasseur?

  He's got to dump it somewhere.

• 31:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  I gotta do something with it. Yeah.

• 31:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Don't want to dump it on his property. That's too close.

• 31:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mm-mm. So he's already thinking about this. He's already planning it out. And it was July 5th when he woke up and he's like, well, I gotta figure out a way to hoist this torso out of the freezer. Maybe he even tried at first to like pull it out with his hands and he was like, oh, I forgot I'm weak. And this is not the most ergonomic sort of situation here. You know, I don't have even the benefit of being able to lift with my legs because I'm reaching down. The top of the garbage can is found at the Halderson home. Inside the garbage can is the tarp that we have Chandler's purchasing on surveillance. It's got Krista and Bart's blood on it. We also have the yellow tape that he used to, you know, tape the tarp up that matched the roll of tape found in the Halderson garage. But

• 32:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  that tape also had the fingerprint of Chandler Halderson on it. And the tarp had prints of his shoes, prints of his shoes, the same shoes that had the blood of his parents on them, the same shoes that we see him wearing in the surveillance video when he's buying the tarp. So it seems that Chandler, along with his father's torso in the tarp, had either transported the black garbage can separately, or had put his father's torso in the black garbage can and then put the black garbage can into the car. I don't know if the Subaru would be able to fit that. I kind of was trying to get your opinion on it. It's not a huge garbage can.

• 33:05Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, I'd have to know, like, if it's a 40 gallon, 60 gallon garbage can, I would imagine it would fit, because if it's like a Rubbermaid style trash can, what you could do.

• 33:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  It is. It's like a Rubbermaid style one. Yeah.

• 33:18Derrick Levasseur?

  If you have the ability to do it, you can kind of collapse the top of it and wedge it in there, you know? So with a little bit of elbow grease, you, if it's close and it's not a high trash can, it's a smaller trash can, which you do see a lot in construction where the guys bring in the Rubbermaid style buckets and, you know, you could collapse that top part and shove it in there if you really tried to. Yeah.

• 33:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. So I wanted to be clear, this is not the waste management garbage can that we already talked about. That's at the end of the driveway.

• 33:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Right. The big, hard ones that are picked up by the trash trucks. That would not be collapsed. Correct. Yeah.

• 33:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  A separate garbage can that Bart had purchased to do the renovations. And that's what I'm thinking. I think the torso and the tarp went inside the garbage can, which then went inside the car. Cause I looked at the distance between Chandler's house and Chris's farm, and it was a good like 30 something minute drive.

• 34:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 34:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  So the torso may have started thawing and then you would risk maybe some fluids leaking out and then being found in the, in the car. But there was nothing found in the car. So I think in a brief moment of foresight, Chandler was like, let me put the, the tarp and the torso into something where nothing will come out in the car.

• 34:25Derrick Levasseur?

  It would also be easier to transport, right? Like even through the house. If you think about it, for all the reasons you discussed about carrying a, a human torso.

• 34:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it was a rolling one.

• 34:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, if it had wheels, even easier. But if it didn't, if it just had handles, you know, you could pick it up, go up a couple stairs, drag it through the garage. There's things you can do that you wouldn't be able to do if you were carrying it. And then, just the obvious reason, if you're walking outside with a large object wrapped in a tarp and a neighbor or someone sees you, that could be something that's questioned later. But if you're bringing a trash can out, well, you may just be dumping some extra material from the renovation at a dump site, right? You could explain that away a lot easier.

• 35:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. Well, he was parked in the garage, so he wouldn't have to explain that.

• 35:04Derrick Levasseur?

  That's true. That's true.

• 35:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think like genuinely, this is one time he was smart. He was like, I don't want this body to start thawing and, and blood to start dripping out. Because yeah, he's taped up in a tarp, but how solid of a receptacle is that?

• 35:16Derrick Levasseur?

  And the trash can's not going to be porous, as long as there's no breakage in it. So you can bring that out and you can contain any type of forensic evidence from being left behind if you use the trash can. Yeah.

• 35:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Cause now he's got to take the torso out of the trunk when he's at the farm.

• 35:29Derrick Levasseur?

  One bright thing he did the entire time. Obviously much too late, but you know, we'll give him, we'll give him a little bit here.

• 35:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, there was also another tarp found on Chris's property in the barn. This was an older tarp that had been at the Halderson home. And we know this because there's a picture of Bart, I think with this tarp, like while he was doing renovations. And this tarp was found in the barn, kind of rolled up and thrown like in a, an area where it might look like it belonged there. It also had Bart and Krista's blood on it. And according to the police, they collected this older tarp during an extensive search of that barn. However, months later, in October of 2021, something else would be found in that barn that was missed during this first search.

• 36:10Speaker 02

  Well, I was organizing along the wall, you know, like I say, I was cleaning out my shed and I wanted to go through these like garden tools, because I, you know, making sure I still use them, were they broken? And I was going to throw them away. So I would, and then I was organizing, putting lumber where the lumber goes, the recycling, where the recycling goes. And so I lifted up a board and I saw a barrel of a gun and I, I thought, huh. Right away, I thought, what's my dad? What, what the heck has he got? His pellet gun over here? So I, I picked it up by the barrel and looked at it and I, I right away recognized it wasn't a gun that I'd ever saw or seen ever before. Yes, it was behind us. A bunch of, there was like maybe four or five different boards there.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Well, the first thing is I just felt sort of this sick feeling and I set it back down. And then I went to ask my father just to make sure that he didn't know about any gun in the shed. And I went and asked and he said, well, what does it look like or whatever? And I said, well, dad, I'm just going to call the police. And then I called Krista, the head of the, the investigation. She left me her number.

• 37:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Lieutenant Jessmee Torres testified and said that she'd overseen the initial search of that barn on July 12th. And missing the rifle was described as an oversight and human error. But this is the gun that Chandler used to at least kill his father. That's, that's what we know. It's clear that Chandler not only brought his father's remains to that farm on July 5th, but several other tools he'd used to dismember his parents, as well as the weapon he'd used to kill them, or at least we can say for sure, like I said, to kill Bart.

• 37:49Derrick Levasseur?

  He really didn't think that detectives would ever say, hmm, I wonder if his girlfriend's property could somehow be connected to this.

• 37:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it's very weird.

• 37:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Never, never considered that fact. And that really was, on top of Kat's family, being observative and, and being responsive to law enforcement and being proactive, right? Like finding it, calling law for all that good stuff, right?

• 38:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Maybe he didn't realize how weird he came off to other people, you know?

• 38:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Self-awareness? You, you telling me that Chandler Halderson lacked self-awareness? Yeah, I think that we can all check that box off. I think that we're, we're good on that one. But yeah, this was something where I think in his mind, he didn't think he was going to be questioned a lot. And even if he did, it would be just a very basic preliminary investigation and they would move on. But they would never, ever consider his associates or counterparts or people he was close to as possible locations where there may be incriminating evidence.

• 38:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Maybe there's enough degree of separation because it's not Kat's mother's property. It's Kat's mother's partner's property, right? Like you have to wonder, you're throwing stuff in the river, but you're leaving tools with blood on them.

• 38:54Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 38:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  Just sitting out in the open, right? Why wouldn't you throw those in the water? Cause at least the, maybe the blood would be, you know, like, I don't know. It, it doesn't make any sense.

• 39:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Watched too many movies. I think he was like, oh, let me leave pieces of evidence everywhere so that they can't be connected to one another.

• 39:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is a lot of evidence in one area though.

• 39:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. I mean, in hindsight, Stephanie, I'm sure if he had to do it over, he would have made some different choices.

• 39:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  This is where the majority of the forensic evidence was found. So you have a body, a piece of a body, along with the tools used to dismember the body.

• 39:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 39:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  And the weapon.

• 39:24Derrick Levasseur?

  And the weapon, which could be compared to the torso.

• 39:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  All in on the same property.

• 39:28Derrick Levasseur?

  And then you're going to be able to, by the way, track that serial number. As you had said in the last episode, there was an FFL transfer of that paperwork. So basically that gun was now in Chandler's name legally. So if you find the gun and you compare the ballistics of that gun to said torso, then you can reverse engineer the serial number to quickly figure out who currently owns that firearm. It would, it's, this is like basic investigation.

• 39:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  I have to wonder though, if Chandler didn't realize that there was something legally happening, if maybe his friend was just like, hey, let me see the serial number in your license, like just for my own record purposes. And Chandler didn't realize this was being filed somewhere where law enforcement could actually track it. Cause this is sloppy.

• 40:04Derrick Levasseur?

  It is. It is. It's so sloppy, but it could just come down to stupidity. But the whole gun thing, that is an, an area where I had mentioned at the top of the show, that just the whole thing is odd to me. But is it somehow connected anywhere here? Probably not. But it could be as simple as what you just said as well, where Chandler thought the gun was a gift and never thought there was any actual paperwork.

• 40:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Legal paperwork. A paper trail.

• 40:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Paper trail to come back to him. And he was thinking, well, even if they find the gun, it's not going to come back to me. It's going to come back to my buddy.

• 40:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Who doesn't even live in this state.

• 40:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 40:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  You know? Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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• 40:51Derrick Levasseur?

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• 40:59Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 43:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're back. So now we remember that when Chandler was awkwardly in the pool with Dulce and Cress, Dulce was like, what are you doing now? And he's like, oh, I'm going over to your place, actually. Kat's making me dinner. And Dulce was like, what's she making you? And he was like, McDonald's. Ha, ha, ha, my favorite meal, my favorite meal.

• 43:50Derrick Levasseur?

  I do love McDonald's, but you know.

• 43:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, yeah, the french fries are really second to none. I'm just gonna say that right now. As far as fast food, the french fries are second to none.

• 43:59Derrick Levasseur?

  French fries, chicken nuggets. You know what I love at McDonald's? I don't want it. We're talking about something serious here, but you're gonna think I'm demented when I mention this.

• 44:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  The apple pie?

• 44:07Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, the apple pie is ridiculous. The flail fish sandwich.

• 44:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 44:12Derrick Levasseur?

  With tartar sauce and cheese. I know, fish from McDonald's.

• 44:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, chicken from McDonald's also.

• 44:17Derrick Levasseur?

  It's all good. See, you just, you just proved my point. McDonald's is-

• 44:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's all, it's all a little suspect.

• 44:21Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm not gonna question its origins.

• 44:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Probably that is Chandler's favorite meal.

• 44:26Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, honestly, it would be, it'd probably be worse than the evidence around this case, but we reverse engineered that, but let's not do that.

• 44:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, fake chicken nugget, remember?

• 44:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Crime Weekly episode coming in the future, the origins of McDonald's.

• 44:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  The expose. So he's going to Kat's mom's place to have McDonald's. And Kat testified that Chandler arrived to her mom's place a little after 7:00 PM where they ate McDonald's. And this is when Chandler told her he had lost his job with SpaceX, right? This is when he breaks the news finally. So he claimed that after his injury, they'd found errors in the work that he was doing. Because remember, he's already allegedly working remotely for SpaceX, but now he has these injuries. That's not his fault that he sucks at his job, his fake job. Even in his fake job, it is not his fault that he's making errors during his fake workday. So it's his injury, they found errors, and they let him go. And Kat said

• 45:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  he seemed down and sad after this, like, kind of a big thing for him and she understood why he was really upset about it. So on this night, Chandler also told Kat that his parents had not returned home yet and they were still probably at the cabin. So at 8:54 PM, neighborhood security cameras showed Chandler and his father Subaru return back to the Halderson home. Early in the hours of July 6th, these same security cameras showed the light in the Halderson garage turn on seven different times for an average of six minutes each time between the hours of 1:00 and 4:00 AM. Now, what is Chandler doing in the garage back and forth for three hours? Let's see what happens after. Maybe we can put this together because I genuinely don't know. At 4:31 AM, Chandler and the Subaru left

• 46:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  home and returned about an hour later at 5:33 AM. So based on Chandler's cell phone tower records, he spent an hour driving around Madison. But law enforcement does not know what he was doing. They just know where he was. They believe he was likely disposing of more evidence-

• 46:20Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 46:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  -in the lakes around Madison.

• 46:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Makes total sense. Driving by, rolling down the window, throwing it out.

• 46:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  And apparently, I didn't know this about the area, but Chandler would have been familiar with the area as he'd lived there for a while and gone to school there for a short time. But Madison's city center is built directly on a narrow strip of land that's between two massive bodies of water. So the city and its surrounding metro area are actually shaped by a chain of five major lakes. And Madison features over 15,000 acres of water surfaces. So a lot of water there. And that's why he went there instead of where he lived in Windsor with his parents. He went to Madison because he was aware. There's lots of places. You might, like you said, just be driving by down the highway and there's water there.

• 46:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Over a bridge. There's no doubt in my mind, and I thought this even before this little disclosure here, and this is with a lot of cases that, and it's disturbing, but there are pieces of evidence connected to this case out there right now in bodies of water that have not been found. There's no doubt about it.

• 47:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:16Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt about it.

• 47:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  I cringe to think about it, actually.

• 47:19Derrick Levasseur?

  There's no doubt that they may never be found.

• 47:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, like I said, I'm not sure what Chandler's doing in the garage for those three hours before leaving the house for an hour to do what we believe he was doing. I wonder maybe getting bags?

• 47:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, for sure. More cleanup, removing any remnants that might suggest a crime had occurred. It's a lot of work.

• 47:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think bringing things to and from the Subaru that's in the garage because he knows he's about to drive away. So he's like putting stuff in a bag, cleanup, maybe body parts, putting stuff in bags, tying them up, trying to make sure they're kind of-

• 47:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Airtight.

• 47:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Airtight.

• 47:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, liquid tight.

• 47:51Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then putting them in the car before going back in and doing more of that stuff. Maybe going through the house and thinking, what should I not have here? What did I possibly miss? Just doing last minute, like, cleanup stuff.

• 48:01Derrick Levasseur?

  You talked about the secret compartment in the basement where there was a freezer now and certain plate, like, all of that takes time to do, especially when you're by yourself. Not to be too detailed here, but there's a lot of cleanup with this. There's gonna be spillage, there's gonna be bodily fluids, you gotta get through the cracks and crevices anywhere where it could be found. And he believed he got it all.

• 48:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  But she didn't do a good job of it.

• 48:20Derrick Levasseur?

  He didn't do a great job, but it probably wasn't for lack of effort. It's just, think about it, liquid going in between the crack of a basement, you know, concrete floor. You're not gonna get that, but he probably tried his best.

• 48:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, but it makes me wonder, why did Chandler bring so many things to the farm? So many incriminating items, the most incriminating items, you would say, to the farm earlier in the day on the 5th, if he was just gonna drive around later throwing things into the water because-

• 48:44Derrick Levasseur?

  There's more things.

• 48:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Whatever Chandler threw into the water has never been found.

• 48:48Derrick Levasseur?

  I think it could be as simple as a bag containing paper towels from the cleanup, something more miniscule to him, not the main evidence that he was concerned about. But as he's doing this cleanup, he's realizing this can't be found in the household, so he's dumping it in these different bodies of water.

• 49:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  I also think he knows tomorrow I'm going to report my parents missing to the police because he'd been getting pressure from his parents, friends, and his brother, and even Kat. And he's like, I have to fix this. And I wonder if he was moving the freezer in the basement around, because remember when the police said they came on July 7th, they didn't see the freezer in the basement. So he didn't want it there. He's this little scrawny kid, once again, moving stuff around the house. It's pretty heavy. Like, where did he put that freezer? I'd be curious to know. Because it was back by the time police came and processed the scene later.

• 49:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Also could have been an oversight. They might have missed it, might have been, they missed a gun, right? And they at least, to their credit, acknowledged it.

• 49:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, they missed the gun in the barn that was hidden, but this is like a freezer right out in the open and they saw the other freezer. And they noted the other freezer and that smaller freezer would have been kind of kitty corner to that other freezer. So, yeah, they definitely don't think it was there.

• 49:55Derrick Levasseur?

  It could be something deeper. It also could have just been an oversight. You know, it wouldn't be the first time that you and I were to learn that they just missed something, you know, that was in a different part of the basement and didn't document it properly.

• 50:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Derrick Levasseur?

  They did a great job with this case, but doesn't mean mistakes weren't made.

• 50:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, it could have been in another part of the basement, but I don't think it was where it was when they came later.

• 50:14Derrick Levasseur?

  No, I agree. I agree. But it could have been something where, again, they were focused on certain things and missed that it was underneath the stairs or something, who knows?

• 50:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, later that morning, Chandler's girlfriend Kat, she went back to work and at 9:05 AM she texted Chandler and she asked if his parents are back yet. He replied simply, no. Kat then told Chandler to text his brother Mitchell. She said at this point she's starting to get really worried because Chandler's mother Krista was constantly in touch with them, all of them, even her. Krista was always texting to ask what they were doing, or what they were planning on doing, or sending the pictures, or telling them what she was doing. Like, it was, you know, even Mitchell said like, yeah, my mother was kind of a helicopter parent, but because she cared. But it was not normal for Krista to not want to know what her sons were up to on any given day. At this point, Kat's like, I'm worried, this is not normal behavior. And the fact that Bart and Krista weren't home and no one had received any messages from them was highly unusual. So at 5:53 PM, Chandler left

• 51:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  his house in his father Subaru. Again, he got dinner with Kat and her mother at Buffalo Wild Wings. He returned home at 8:52 PM. Then on the morning of July 7th, Chandler and the Subaru left the house at 9:36 AM. And at 10:12, Kat texted him asking where he was going, because she's watching his location. Yeah.

• 51:26Derrick Levasseur?

  She's on it.

• 51:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  She's on it, man. Four minutes later, Chandler replied that he was going back to the farm, but he said, quote, "No one is here, so leaving," end quote. Now, it's believed that this is when he dumped off the Target bag with Kat's name on it, containing the bloody rags in the garbage can at Cruss's Farm. Now Kat told Chandler, "Yeah, it doesn't matter if no one's there. You can still swim if you need to. You know where the pool's at. You know, if it's good for your legs, do it." And he's like, "No, I felt weird." And then he apologized for being stressed. Chandler returned home at 10:49 a.m., but he left again at 11:19 a.m. And this time, he texted Kat, you know, ahead of her asking where the hell he's going. He texts her and he said, "I'm going to report my parents missing." And for once, this was not a lie, because that is exactly what Chandler went and did.

• 52:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  But he also texted Kat at 11:22 a.m. saying, quote, "Can I have $5 for chips and soda?" End quote. This frickin' leech. This leech. Holy [BLEEP]. I hate him so much. Like, you are a grown-ass man. You are a grown-ass man. And you're asking your mother to pick up soda before she comes home, and you know you're gonna kill her? And you're a grown-ass man asking your girlfriend, "Can I have money for chips and soda?"

• 52:35Derrick Levasseur?

  It's bad. It's a bad look.

• 52:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Kat wrote back like, "I don't have $5 for chips and soda." Yeah, it's gross. I mean, of all the things he's done, not the worst look, but it's just one of those things where it's like, add insult to injury. You had nothing to offer anybody. You suck. So Kat said that it had been decided by all of them, including Mitchell, that Krista and Bart should be reported missing at this time, because Krista hadn't shown up to a very important doctor's appointment for her skin cancer. So that night, Jane Hilgendorf's daughters went to visit Chandler. And you remember Jane Hilgendorf from episode one, or part one of this series? She was Krista's friend, and she said right from the get-go, she was like, "Yeah, Chandler's weird, man. He's saying they're bringing money. They don't gamble. He's saying they're bringing alcohol. Krista doesn't drink." And then we went to the cabin.

• 53:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Remember, Jane and her husband went to the cabin? And Jane was like, "Nobody's been here, Chandler. What's going on?" And Chandler was like, "Do you see any bullet remnants?" And Jane was like, "The whole thing was weird." And remembered that Jane and her family had been incredibly close to Krista and her family, including their kids, who are around the same age. So Jane's twin daughters went to visit Chandler and offer him comfort in these troubling times of his parents being missing.

• 53:47Speaker 04

  Do you have any interactions with Chandler?

• 53:50Speaker 05

  Yes, he greets us at the door and gives us a side hug.

• 53:53Speaker 04

  He gave you a side hug? Is that how we normally greeted you?

• 53:56Speaker 05

  No.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  Explain that.

• 53:57Speaker 05

  We're a family. We all hug each other, full arms, straight on.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  Other than the side hug, how would you describe Chandler's demeanor? Did you and Chandler discuss anything of note?

• 54:14Speaker 05

  The thing that stuck out to me most was about the text messages. So we were like, sitting down. We were just like, talking in general, like, asking how he was doing. And he said he was fine. He's hanging in there. He's just trying to figure out what's going on. And that was my only red flag, looking back, when he said, "They asked me for text messages." The detectives did. And you never have to give them your phone. You can just send screenshots, because they got everything they need.

• 54:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  I wonder how Kat felt about the Hilgendorf girls being at Chandler's house with him.

• 54:46Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm sure she wasn't happy about it, that's for sure.

• 54:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  So that brings us to the morning of Thursday, July 8th, 2021. And that morning, Kat went to work. And remember, she was very stressed and upset about Bart and Krista being missing. She was talking to the detectives, because this is also the day that she goes into the police station and talks to the police for the first time. She was emotional. She felt sick. She only stayed at work about 30 minutes before she asked her boss if she could leave early. And she said she wanted to go to Chandler's house and like, be there for him, because now he's already reported Bart and Krista missing. The police are involved. It's like, very stressful for everyone, even though she doesn't realize that it's been incredibly stressful for Chandler this whole time.

• 55:26Derrick Levasseur?

  It has been.

• 55:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. Meanwhile, Chandler was at home doing some Google searches. Now, something that's very interesting is that when Chandler's phone was taken into police custody on July 8th, they found Google searches from that day, but no other search history from any day before. And during the prosecution, talking about this, they're like, well, either Chandler has never Google searched anything ever before July 8th, or he erased the Google search activity, right? They're not saying he erased the Google search activity, because they can't necessarily prove that. But they're like, the only other option is that he has never used a Google search at any other time before July 8th. This means that Chandler had been clearing his search history from every single day, probably the end of every single day.

• 56:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  But on July 8th, remember, Chandler was arrested, and he didn't have a chance to delete his search history. Now, what's interesting is the kinds of searches he made, which, once again, are gonna be very telling, based on the timeline of everything. And we're gonna talk about that when we come back from our next break.

• 56:33Derrick Levasseur?

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• 56:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, yeah, especially for you, because you've been traveling a lot. You've been doing a lot of things. I know you've been very hectic, and it feels a little chaotic for you. But also for everybody, summer just does that. It starts out fun, and you're like, "Oh, I don't have to bring..." You know, the kids aren't going to school. We're gonna have a great time. And suddenly, your schedule is chaos, your fridge is suspicious, and dinner becomes whatever you can assemble while standing up, usually late, because it stays light out longer. And so you think you have more time, but then it's 9 o'clock.

• 57:06Derrick Levasseur?

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• 57:20Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 57:35Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 57:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Two minutes, by the way, is how long it takes to make a Factor meal, which is great. It's perfect. That is less time than it takes me to open a delivery app, scroll through every restaurant, get overwhelmed, and then order the same thing I always order, which usually isn't good for me.

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• 58:23Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 58:24Derrick Levasseur?

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• 58:45Derrick Levasseur?

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• 58:45Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 59:02Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 59:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, so like I said, Chandler, he goes into the police station on July 8th, just like Kat. And he's talked to by the police. They eventually arrest him, not for murder or anything like that, but for filing a false police report. The morning of July 8th, and into the afternoon of July 8th, Chandler's making a bunch of searches that he doesn't have a chance to delete, because he doesn't think he's gonna be arrested for some reason. Me? I'm gonna probably delete my search history before I go in and talk to the police? Even if I don't think I'm going to be arrested, but not Chandler.

• 1:00:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, it's hubris too. I truly still think he believes that he's smarter than law enforcement and they're never going to look at him.

• 1:00:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  He thinks everyone's going to see him the way that his parents and cat saw him. With these Google searches, we can see a huge nervousness rising in Chandler. Because July 8th is when things start to move. This is when Bart's torso is found on the farm. Not right away, but Bart's torso is found on the farm and things just aren't adding up. So there's kind of a heavier police presence happening. And Chandler feels like they're on to him. I think he was nervous and paranoid from the second he talked to the police. And we can see this paranoia because at 9:44 a.m. he starts his Google searches. Body found, Wisconsin. Woman's body found in Wisconsin. Wisconsin dismembered body found. Body found in River, 2021. He also looked up State versus Peter T. Kapuza.

• 1:01:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  While all of his other searches indicated Chandler was trying to find out or figure out if his crimes had been detected. This specific search was significant. This was a Wisconsin murder case involving the 1999 killing and dismemberment of a 25-year-old college student living in Madison, Wisconsin. Peter Kapuza, her older first cousin, was ultimately convicted of first-degree intentional homicide and hiding a corpse with the intent to conceal a crime. So on July 30th and 31st of 1999, human remains, specifically a torso, were discovered near the shore of the Wisconsin River in Sauk County. Additional body parts, including the head, arms, and legs, were subsequently found in plastic bags along the riverbank.

• 1:01:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, it was noted that the remains had been altered in a way to make identification difficult. The skin had been removed from much of the skull and face, and the feet were never recovered. The medical examiner determined that the victim had not died of natural causes, but the condition of her remains made it difficult to determine a specific cause of death. And this is exactly what happened with Krista Halderson. As far as having difficulty determining a specific cause of death. This was what the medical examiner said. We know she did not die accidentally or of natural causes. But we can't tell you, was she strangled, was she shot, was she stabbed with a knife? We don't know. So Peter Kapuza had told the police that his cousin had taken a Greyhound bus to Iowa with $1,500 he'd given her for travel expenses.

• 1:02:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  And in Iowa, she was meeting up with a man named Shadrack. She then planned to travel with this man to Tanzania. And Peter claimed he had spoken to his uncle in Tanzania, who had confirmed his cousin had arrived safely. So once again, we have Chandler saying, my parents left with an unknown couple and this is where they were going. So it's a very similar set of circumstances. And this also makes me wonder with this case, Peter Kapuza, with the person being found, the victim being found, with their facial features and things intentionally being like distorted and altered. Is that what Chandler was doing with the fire? Did he burn a lot of things in the fire and then take all of that stuff out

• 1:03:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  and put it in the river, hoping that even if it was found, it couldn't be traced back to Krista and Bart? Was Chandler concerned? Because in Peter Kapuza's case, the remains were found in the river and on the riverbanks because of, you know, changing tides and things. Was Chandler concerned that the same thing had happened in his case with his parents? And does that kind of really give further evidence of, yeah, Chandler probably did get rid of a lot of these remains in the water because he's Googling like dismembered body found in River, woman's body found in River. Because remember, we only found Krista's legs, basically. So was most of Krista's body disposed of in the Wisconsin River? And that's why he's Googling these things? And he took a page out of Peter Kapuza's playbook?

• 1:03:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he was trying to learn from those mistakes and improve on what had been done prior to him. And yeah, I don't think it's a stretch to say that more than likely, more time was put towards identifiable body parts like the face, fingers, anything dental records, things that could be matched to someone. And in his mind, he probably didn't put as much thought into things like the torso because that alone would make it difficult to match to a person.

• 1:04:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Even though Chandler's parents are missing and the torso is found on the property of someone Chandler knows.

• 1:04:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I think, I think he, in his mind, one, assumed the body would never be found. Assumed the torso would never be located, but if it had.

• 1:04:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or maybe animals would get to it or something.

• 1:04:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Predation many years later would not be connected to what's currently going on. I don't think he anticipated it being found that fast.

• 1:04:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  I agree. And we don't know because we don't have his prior Google history. But I think Chandler was already familiar with the Peter Kapuza case. And he intentionally did the things to the remains he did because of that. And I think he was pulling the case back up because he didn't just Google it. He went in and read like the court stuff.

• 1:05:00Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt.

• 1:05:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think he's thinking, okay, Peter Kapuza was eventually caught.

• 1:05:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  What's going to happen to him illegally if I too am caught?

• 1:05:09Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, this was a local case. So this is something that he was familiar with, may have been inspired by. I think this is something that was in the back of his mind, I'm sure. And cases like this don't happen all the time. It happening so close to him, I'm sure that he had a, an interest in it when it occurred. A lot of people were probably talking about it locally.

• 1:05:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  And it was in Madison where he was living that year it happened. Yeah.

• 1:05:29Derrick Levasseur?

  That's what I'm saying. So he was very familiar with it. And then when the thought crossed his mind to do it with his own parents, I'm sure he said, hmm, I remember the Peter Kapuza case and I remember he got caught. Maybe I should take a look at how they caught him and try to prevent that from happening to me. Spoiler alert, he didn't do a good job.

• 1:05:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  How they caught him, yeah, or what the defense put up legally as far as, you know, yeah.

• 1:05:51Derrick Levasseur?

  And then what were the techniques used by law enforcement? And what was the smoking gun? Like all these different things where he can say, okay, we know what happened in this one. How did it happen? Let me try to reverse engineer it and ensure it doesn't happen in my case.

• 1:06:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  So here's another thing. Chandler's getting real panicky here. He's getting real panicky, he's getting real stressed. So he's Googling all this stuff in the morning and throughout the afternoon. And then at 10:15 a.m. that day, Chandler called Richard Bennett. Now, this was a detective with Dane County. Chandler left a voicemail and he was like, I haven't heard anything about my parents, but I heard that everyone's been talking to my brother Mitchell. And you're not talking to me, and so I would like to be called back and told something. Now Bennett did call back and he told Chandler that he didn't have any additional updates. And when he testified, Detective Bennett said that at this time, to his knowledge, as far as he knew, Chandler was not a suspect because Chandler's defense team is trying to make it seem like they were lying to Chandler, which even if they did, so what?

• 1:06:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Who cares?

• 1:06:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, who freaking cares?

• 1:06:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, they didn't read him his rights or anything like that there.

• 1:06:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:51Derrick Levasseur?

  They don't have to tell him anything.

• 1:06:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  This detective was like, no, like we hadn't found Bart Halderson's remains by the time this phone call happened. So as far as I knew, I didn't have any updates and there was nothing to report to Chandler. And I was not told he was a suspect. But then at 11:30 a.m., Chandler called Detective Shunk, who remember Detective Shunk is one of the, the main detectives assigned to this case. And then one of the detectives who came to his house on July 7th and took the missing persons report. So Detective Shunk and Chandler spoke briefly and Chandler told him that he'd spoken to the media. So Chandler gave some like weird press conference outside his house, talking to the media that day. So weird. At 1:30 p.m., Chandler called Detective Shunk again. And this was after he had traveled around the neighborhood, asking people about their security camera footage.

• 1:07:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, yeah, the infamous security footage.

• 1:07:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. And so Chandler told Detective Shunk, you know, I found some keys in my father's nightstand. I think they could be for the cabin. I know that the, the county where the cabin is, those, you know, law enforcement people are going there. They're meeting my brother Mitchell there. So I gave the keys to my brother so that they have a way to get in and law enforcement can look around. Once again, Detective Shunk said at this time Chandler was not a suspect. But then Chandler's going to call again. He's going to call a third time. So between Chandler calling the second time and the third time to Detective Shunk, something did happen. At 3 p.m., Bart Halderson's torso was found. And so when Chandler called Detective Shunk again at 3:30 p.m., this call was recorded.

• 1:08:22Derrick Levasseur?

  This can be good.

• 1:08:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  And the defense team is like, well, why'd you record this call but not that call? And he's like, well, because by the time he called this third time, we found his father's remains and he was telling us all that his father went to the cabin.

• 1:08:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Right.

• 1:08:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  So now he is a suspect.

• 1:08:36Speaker 06

  I'm a little confused. I got two squads parked right outside my house. They're not really canvassing, they're just kind of sitting there. Is everything all right?

• 1:08:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, they're in the area doing canvassing and they're also probably doing a shift change right now. Getting our second shift crew on around 3:00, 3:30.

• 1:08:57Speaker 06

  Oh, there's four now. Something going on that we need to know?

• 1:09:03Speaker 07

  Well, they're probably doing reports, they're probably doing shift change. You know, they've, they've been going around trying to get ahold of neighbors. So I'm wondering if they're in the area trying to catch people now that they're coming home from work. I'm not sure. I haven't talked to any of them in just a little while.

• 1:09:18Speaker 06

  All right. Well, any news with my brother? I haven't heard from him.

• 1:09:24Speaker 07

  No, as far as I know, they're still on their way up north. Couple hour drive, so he's probably halfway into it, right?

• 1:09:31Speaker 06

  Uh, yeah, I suppose about.

• 1:09:34Speaker 07

  Yeah. Any news on your end at all? Have you gotten any phone calls, text messages?

• 1:09:40Speaker 06

  I haven't gotten any messages other than from concerned parents. Um, I can't, there's no mail. Uh, I got a, there's a hold on my mail.

• 1:09:50Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:09:50Speaker 06

  Uh, is that, is that normal? Are, are you guys getting it at least?

• 1:09:55Speaker 07

  No, we, we don't put a hold on people's mail. I've never heard of that happening before.

• 1:10:01Speaker 06

  There's a hold on my mail, there's a ticket in there. All mail held at the station is what it says.

• 1:10:07Speaker 07

  Okay. Yeah, nothing done by us, that's for sure.

• 1:10:10Speaker 06

  Do you know of anything?

• 1:10:16Speaker 06

  So I don't know. It's kind of stressful. Sorry, I so there's nothing new going on?

• 1:10:24Speaker 07

  Not that I'm aware of.

• 1:10:27Speaker 06

  All right.

• 1:10:28Speaker 07

  Yeah. Who who's there? Are you at home still right now? Obviously, because you're sitting there outside. Who's there with you?

• 1:10:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, not they're not with me. They're just four squads just parked outside.

• 1:10:40Speaker 07

  Okay, who was just talking in the background? Cat?

• 1:10:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, Cat's over with me.

• 1:10:44Speaker 07

  Oh, okay. Okay. No, I mean, I can definitely give you a call or message you, I guess, depending. What time are you planning on going to dinner?

• 1:10:55Speaker 06

  I'm not sure, but.

• 1:10:57Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:10:57Speaker 06

  Pretty soon here.

• 1:10:59Speaker 07

  Is it cool to call you?

• 1:11:01Speaker 06

  What was that?

• 1:11:01Speaker 07

  Is it cool to call you whether dinner? Okay.

• 1:11:04Speaker 06

  Anytime.

• 1:11:05Speaker 07

  Okay. Well, I'll keep you posted if I hear anything. I mean, obviously, with the mail, that has nothing to do with us at all. I've never heard of a detective or law enforcement agency holding somebody's mail. Um. You know, and then as far as everybody in the area, you know, you kind of had to figure we were gonna be in the area all day today.

• 1:11:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was just wondering why there were four cars instead of the canvassing.

• 1:11:29Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:11:30Speaker 06

  Um, oh, any news about that that blue house with the big cameras?

• 1:11:36Speaker 07

  The blue house with the big cameras? Is that the one across the street?

• 1:11:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, across the street, kind of in the corner. It's a newer house.

• 1:11:44Speaker 07

  Um, I haven't talked to it.

• 1:11:45Speaker 06

  They stopped by the house.

• 1:11:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, I have a detective that's getting footage from the area. I don't know exactly which houses he's gotten video from that. But yeah, there's.

• 1:11:55Speaker 06

  They downloaded all of it and already have it in IT.

• 1:11:59Speaker 07

  Okay, so he's probably reviewing it now.

• 1:12:02Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:12:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, it takes time to go through those things. You figure you can only fast forward so much.

• 1:12:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, all right.

• 1:12:10Speaker 07

  Okay. All right, well, I'll give you a holler if anything pops up. Um, you know, and I'll give a call around and just kind of get a briefing from people up in the area.

• 1:12:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, I appreciate that.

• 1:12:21Speaker 07

  Okay, thanks Chandler.

• 1:12:22Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 1:12:23Speaker 07

  Bye.

• 1:12:25Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I mean, what do what do I say here, right? Like, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he's extremely nervous and the things that he's concerned about doesn't even really make sense. Like, he's trying to put it off as like he's frustrated that law enforcement is not searching for his parents and instead is sitting in his driveway, but then he's asking questions that are more indicative of him believing that.

• 1:12:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  That he's a suspect.

• 1:12:49Derrick Levasseur?

  That he's a suspect, and nobody at this point has suggested that to him. So I think he's thinking, especially when he gives us a little bit more of an insight into what where his mind is, he's wondering to himself, holy shit, did they already look at the video that I know exists? That I already went by and and confirmed is gonna have an angle on the house and they're able to see that I've been lying and now these cars are here because they're gonna be picking me up soon. There's no doubt that's what he's thinking.

• 1:13:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  He thinks they're moving into place.

• 1:13:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Correct.

• 1:13:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And, you know, they were, pretty much.

• 1:13:20Derrick Levasseur?

  You know what, Chandler? For once, you were right. They actually were doing exactly what you thought they were doing.

• 1:13:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  They wanted to make sure he wasn't gonna go anywhere, and if he did go somewhere, then they could branch off and follow him, but there he's like, oh, there's there's two. Wait, there's four now.

• 1:13:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Wait, well, the detective knows that this is a murder investigation, right? And primary suspect is going to be the last person to see them alive and or at least see Bart alive at this point, so they know. I would imagine at this point, Stephanie, that they had already looked at that video.

• 1:13:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Of course, they have already looked at the video, yeah.

• 1:13:52Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, they they already know he's he's not telling the truth. Shunk did a great job here. He's keeping him calm. He doesn't want to raise his his level of sensitivity toward it. He also knows this is a officer safety issue, right? You don't want to tip Chandler off that he's a suspect because you have four patrolmen outside the residence right now that he could get the drop on. So there's a lot of things at play here, and something else, just a little inside baseball. You know that right now there is chaos going on within the police department.

• 1:14:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, you could hear his phone ringing, beeping, yes, chaos.

• 1:14:27Derrick Levasseur?

  There you go. There's so many things going on. You hear the radio, you hear the phone. This just went from something simple, like maybe just a miscommunication amongst family members to now they know they have a murder investigation and they're trying to juggle multiple things at one time, and you can see that Shunk remains calm, doesn't get very cool, calm, collected, but in the background, you can hear the chaos going on at that agency.

• 1:14:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  And you can hear his his phone itself is beeping, beeping, beeping, someone's calling him. Then his desk phone starts ringing because it sounds so close and he never seems to to lose his cool at all, which is great.

• 1:15:03Derrick Levasseur?

  Very cool. Could continues to be a friend to him. Can I call you anytime? Oh, is that cat in the background? Keeps it very personable, plays dumb. I will say the one thing about the mail that could have been law enforcement, but I've never heard of that either, actually, so.

• 1:15:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  So it wasn't. We actually found out.

• 1:15:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I I was gonna say, I've never done that.

• 1:15:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Detective Shunk was like, that was the one thing that I was genuinely like.

• 1:15:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I have no, I was sitting here like, have I ever done something like that? What would the mail do for me?

• 1:15:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  So what happened is the post office put a hold on the mail because they had found out through the community that Bart and Krista were missing.

• 1:15:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Ah.

• 1:15:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  So they put a hold on the mail and they found that out after, but Chandler is so paranoid right now.

• 1:15:41Derrick Levasseur?

  He knows the walls are closing in on him.

• 1:15:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  To a normal person, my parents are missing. I just reported them missing yesterday. I'm not even thinking about the mail. But he's looking for every little thing that could possibly mean he's being suspected or looked into or investigated. And so right there, that whole like worrying about the mail thing and and questioning them, that was weird. That should have set off some red flags if Chandler wasn't already suspected because Detective Shunk said that, yes, at this point, he knew something had happened and Chandler was suspected, but he didn't want to tip him off. And he was also trying to figure out a way to get Chandler downtown so they could interview him as well as Cat. And so that's why he was like, is that Cat there? Where are you guys going? What time you going to dinner? Like, he wanted to make sure at this moment they are both together at the house. Let's move in. Let's bring him in now.

• 1:16:26Derrick Levasseur?

  And I don't know how they did this, but the move here would be to coordinate where Chandler and Cat are going to dinner, so they're outside the residence.

• 1:16:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, the police are already there. They don't even want them to leave. He's just making small talk, but he's about to call the the police that are outside and be like, all right, go get them.

• 1:16:42Derrick Levasseur?

  Go get them. Yeah, and so and so maybe they did go inside, but what I would have been thinking here is, hey, when they come out to go to dinner and they're between the residence and the vehicle, that's when you grab them because now they can't use the vehicle as a weapon. They can't grab a weapon from the home. Even if they have something on them, you have the element of surprise. I don't know what was done here, but that's something I would be considering where I'm I'm talking to my guys as soon as I hang up and I'm saying, hey, they're planning on going to dinner. It's gonna be two parties. Grab them as soon as they get to the car. Don't let them get in the vehicle.

• 1:17:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, they went inside because remember, one of the first things Chandler says during his police interview is he's like, hey, they like had us come down to the station, but then they like they they went inside my house. Like, are they allowed to do that without a warrant?

• 1:17:19Derrick Levasseur?

  That's interesting. Did they grab him when he came outside and then they went in or did they go right in?

• 1:17:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  They just basically knocked on the door and they were like, hey, we wanna we wanna talk to you and Cat. Like, we just have some questions and, you know.

• 1:17:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, it worked out. Thank God, nobody got hurt.

• 1:17:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, let's take our last break and we'll be right back.

• 1:17:38Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 1:17:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Wait, sheets can betray you? That's a new one.

• 1:17:50Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 1:17:58Derrick Levasseur?

  I know where you're talking about now, and that's where the pillow flipping starts coming in.

• 1:18:01Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 1:18:41Derrick Levasseur?

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  That makes sense. Breathable sheets are one of those things you don't fully appreciate until you've slept on the wrong ones.

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• 1:23:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, we're back. So as we know, and we've already talked about, both Chandler and Kat were interviewed by police on this day, which ended with Chandler being arrested and the police determining eventually that Kat had no role in what happened to Bart and Krista.

• 1:23:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Although I guarantee you, there was a point where they were considering her as well, for sure. We talked about that as well.

• 1:23:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, they definitely did. Yeah, they definitely did. This next clip we're gonna look at, it says that not even maybe privately were they thinking that, but maybe publicly, they were thinking that.

• 1:24:04Derrick Levasseur?

  No doubt. Based on the dynamics of that relationship, it wouldn't be hard, especially because she had been staying there, to think that she wasn't just some blind witness, she was actually participating in the cover-up.

• 1:24:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, because she was there. She was with him a lot of the times during these times.

• 1:24:19Derrick Levasseur?

  It would be fair to assume that she was assisting.

• 1:24:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  So on July 16th, Kat went back into the police station for another conversation, but this time she was with a lawyer.

• 1:24:27Speaker 05

  Doing okay?

• 1:24:30Speaker 05

  No? Doing, yeah. Sure. It's been a lot over the last few days, hasn't it? Yeah. It's been a week since last time I sat in here. No, a week and a day. Today's Friday, right? Oh, it is Friday, yes. It is Friday, yeah. It's been a week and a day. And just so you know, it's not lost on us how hard it's probably been for you and a lot of other people too. So we're very appreciative of that.

• 1:24:52Speaker 03

  Can I ask one thing up front?

• 1:24:54Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  Is there any way you guys can change the narrative and the sheriff, even if it may not be fully true, to indicate that she's not, the girlfriend's not a suspect and that she's not somehow somebody you suspect? Unless you're gonna tell me we do suspect that, because it's just hard. I mean, she's 20 years old, two years out of high school, and her phone's just blowing up. I've told her, and I think she's followed my advice to shut down Facebook, to shut down everything that's a social platform, but she's getting all kinds of friends of, oh my gosh, I saw what happened with Chandler, what can I do to help you? Let me come talk to you, let me come spend time with you, and those things. So, and it got worse yesterday after the sheriff had the press conference, and the last question he took was, is the girlfriend somebody that you're pursuing?

• 1:25:40Speaker 05

  He didn't really answer the question.

• 1:25:42Speaker 03

  Well, he kind of dodged the question, which I think...

• 1:25:45Speaker 05

  I watched it.

• 1:25:46Speaker 03

  And that's why I'm saying, you know, just for her benefit, if the answer could be, at this time, she's not. I said, I don't even care if she, well, I do care if she is, but to answer that, but just not to leave that suspicion out there.

• 1:25:58Speaker 05

  Sure. Susan, anything you want to tell us right away?

• 1:26:03Speaker 05

  So, when we met yesterday, when, because I have been keeping up with the media, I haven't been watching any of the trials for my own mental health. And he was catching me up and like, when the Wisconsin River was mentioned, I, like, we were mulling over it. I was. And I recalled, like, taking a screenshot of him near the Wisconsin River because we share Snapchat locations with each other. And he, like, wasn't responding to me, wasn't responding to me. He always snaps me. And so I just have it, putting him there at July 3rd, like, in the morning. Okay.

• 1:26:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Bingo. We'll take that little Snapchat. Do you have there that little screenshot? No, it's incredible. But yes, yeah, you can see it right here. And I know that that's not the full clip, but I would love to have seen their response to that because they're acknowledging that the sheriff did exactly what the lawyer's alleging, which is like, kind of left it open-ended.

• 1:27:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he kind of dodged it, actually. He didn't leave it open-ended. He kind of just, like, intentionally didn't answer, which looks more suspicious than him answering.

• 1:27:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, it looks like there was a splice there in that interview. So I don't know if, like, the detective said, well, I can't, you know, what he said is what he said. I'm assuming he said, well, here's where we're at. You know, is there anything you need to tell us? You know, but who knows? But based on Kat's behavior, which could just be her, the way she responds to stressful situations, but also her whereabouts, I'm sure they've narrowed down the timeline in which the parents were killed, they're believing there's a possibility at minimum, she assisted in the destruction of evidence, right? So that's probably what they're trying to determine at this point.

• 1:27:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  Aiding and abetting, was she somehow, yeah.

• 1:27:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Right, no doubt. Right, maybe she might not have killed him, but then if he was going to confide in anyone, it would have been Kat. And at that point, based on the dynamics of the relationship, it would be reasonable to ask the question, would she have assisted? Would she, if she loved him, would she have helped out? Would she have tried to cover things up for him to keep him out of prison? If they hadn't done that, we would be criticizing them for it.

• 1:28:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yep. So, yeah, of course, they're gonna keep her, right now, she's giving them the Snapchat, she's giving them what they need, she's completely cooperating, she's got it all. And then while he was in jail, waiting for like his trial and everything, Chandler talked to both Kat and her mother, Dulce. Now, at this time, he was in isolation and he had restricted phone privileges because they were afraid he was going to hurt himself, because he's a victim forever.

• 1:28:27Speaker 06

  So, I appreciate you worrying about me and caring for me.

• 1:28:33Speaker 06

  I know, yeah, the news has made it sound very bad, but just talking to my lawyers and everything, it's not, it's much different than the news. The news has putting a very bad spin on everything. I know. I hope you know that.

• 1:28:56Speaker 06

  I'm good, how are you? I'm all right. I miss you. I miss you too.

• 1:29:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, just remember, my brother's gonna have his own opinion of everything. I was supposed to get my discovery, you know, after court, on whatever day I had court last week, I think it was Wednesday. And I was supposed to get my discovery so I could read it while I was on a three-day weekend, because my lawyers aren't working. But I never got it. Your lawyer already had the discovery though, right? Nope.

• 1:29:28Speaker 06

  What? Well, maybe they have it.

• 1:29:32Speaker 06

  But they didn't give it to me and they're supposed to give it to me. I think they're delaying everything as much as they can so we don't have time to prepare.

• 1:29:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  So obviously at this point Kat is not calling Chandler to tell him she loves him and misses him. Out of the goodness of her heart, she's working in cooperation with the prosecution. They're trying to see if Chandler would say something on these phone calls. But as always, he's the eternal victim of his circumstances. And just like him not getting paid from his pretend job and him not getting his transcripts from his pretend degree, the world is out to get him and his legal team isn't getting the discovery in a timely fashion. And if they have it, well, they haven't given it to him. So he can't properly prepare for his own trial, right? And if he loses this case, it'll be because of the discovery, not getting to him quick enough. It won't be because he's actually guilty and left evidence all over the place. He minimized everything. You heard him. My lawyers are optimistic. It's not what it looks like.

• 1:30:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  The media is making it seem worse than it is. So what was Chandler's legal defense? What happened when he goes to trial, the prosecution's putting up this pretty airtight case against him? And his defense team gets up and they're like, all right, it's our turn.

• 1:30:41Derrick Levasseur?

  This is our moment.

• 1:30:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  It was something else, man. Like I had so much fun watching this defense lawyer. I guess we can say the lawyers tried to do something.

• 1:30:53Derrick Levasseur?

  A for effort is what you're saying?

• 1:30:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  The best they could. I don't know. I really don't know what the, the goal was. If the goal was to be incredibly condescending, make the jury feel stupid, isolate them and kind of be like, I can see why Chandler picked this lawyer. They achieved it.

• 1:31:08Speaker 04

  The first thing I want to address is sort of the obvious.

• 1:31:13Speaker 04

  Chandler lies. He told a lot of lies. Not only does he lie, but he goes to extreme lengths, if you will, to keep those lies going or to perhaps cover up those lies. I guarantee you, every single one in this, every single person in this room has told a lie, has either covered up that lie or has done something to keep that lie going. You're not on trial, so your lies are not exaggerated and highlighted right now. And the important part is that Chandler is not charged with lying to his girlfriend or to his parents.

• 1:31:54Speaker 04

  There is one charge that has to deal, one per, per parent, that has to deal with lying. Everything else is something that the state told you to try to feed you a theory, a motive, and to essentially taint your view on Chandler. Because at the end of the day, there's only one lie that really does matter. And that's the one that he said about his parents missing. But I want you to think about another thing. When attorney Raymond did her closing, two phrases, if you will, really caught on. Several times she said, we know X, Y, and Z happened. We know that this happened.

• 1:32:39Speaker 04

  Pay attention to the times where she said, we don't know. We don't know. I can't tell you how she was killed. We don't know whatever. And it was always in the parts that had to do with the homicides. If you're charging people with crimes, you should know.

• 1:33:01Derrick Levasseur?

  That's a choice.

• 1:33:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  We're not done. We're not done because listen, it's hilarious to me because she's like,

• 1:33:05Derrick Levasseur?

  We've all lied.

• 1:33:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Every single person in this room has lied. And, and the only lie that matters is the one where he said they went to the cabin. And what does that have to do with anything, right?

• 1:33:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Other than the fact that they were found dead shortly after that?

• 1:33:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  And she's like, what do we not know? And she's like, they said, we don't know how she died. We don't know whatever. Like, cause she had no other example.

• 1:33:28Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, just disregard the fact that my client took measures to make sure they wouldn't be able to determine how they died. But you know, put that aside for a second.

• 1:33:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  It's, it's just so ridiculous. So she said, let's talk about the cabin. Bart and Krista went to the cabin at least two or three times a year. Is it possible that they could have gone to the cabin that weekend? It's possible. In fact, you don't even know what their weekend plans were. Another thing the prosecution doesn't know. No one knew what their weekend plans were that weekend. The only reason the prosecution made a big deal about it was because Chandler said something to Kat about his parents going to the cabin. So they wanted to grab onto premeditation. Okay. So that's what she's, she's making this big like a TV attorney performance. She was like, there's not even any evidence that Bart and Krista knew about this alleged SpaceX job.

• 1:34:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  So that's not a lie on this house of cards that they claim was crashing down around him. You also don't have any evidence that they knew about the scuba team. So that's not a lie that was crashing down around him. And she's saying all of this in a very condescending manner. She even tells the jury at one point, you're allowed to use your common sense. Okay. She then says that the two lies that the prosecution zoned in on, M A T C and the American Family Insurance job, and the fact that they made a big deal out of this when it wasn't even that big of a deal. She said that Bart was on to Chandler in October of 2020, when he told Krista that the guy from M A T C sounded just like Chaz on the phone.

• 1:34:59Speaker 04

  And Bart knew he was on to it. He says he sounds just like Chaz on the phone. Use your common sense.

• 1:35:09Speaker 04

  These email exchanges are from people with a dot gmail.com address. Official school people using a dot gmail.com address.

• 1:35:21Speaker 04

  Both Bart and Krista are college educated. You want to tell me that they honestly thought that this was legit? Or maybe they knew that their child was lying?

• 1:35:34Speaker 04

  And they were just going to carry on the lie? And what does it matter? Here's what you need to ask yourself. What does it matter? Because according to them, that's motive. That's the reason why he did what he did. This house of cards built of lies was crashing down and he had nothing. He couldn't do anything, but he had to murder these people. Why?

• 1:35:56Speaker 04

  Why? You don't know why. You were never told that they were going to kick him out of the house. You were never told that they were going to disown him. You were never told anything about why it matters.

• 1:36:10Speaker 04

  If this is going to be motive, if this is the reason you're intentionally killing someone, it better matter. There better be consequences. He's complaining to his girlfriend the morning of about everything being fucked up and crashing down. You do that. That's what significance other, significance others are for. You honestly think that he's complaining about things crashing down? And his mind is going straight to, well, now I'm just going to murder them. There is another motive that was mentioned very briefly, but it was mentioned, so I'll talk about it. When Mitchell testified, the very last question was about a life insurance policy. And I believe he said that the payout may have been about a million dollars.

• 1:36:55Speaker 04

  And he acted confused. He didn't really know about it. It could very well be that the only reason he knows that number, that value is because of things that are happening now. I don't doubt that kids know about parents having life insurance policies. I don't doubt that.

• 1:37:16Speaker 04

  But ask yourself this, does everyone know how much the policy is worth? Probably not. Do you think you're going to get a million dollars from your parents? Probably not. And there is no evidence that was provided to show that Chandler knew that there was a policy in place and he knew the value, knew enough of that value to do something very drastic to get that money. There was no evidence that he needed money. Yes, he didn't have a job, but nothing came out that he needed money.

• 1:37:43Derrick Levasseur?

  You know, what's so interesting about this is as I'm sitting here and I'm putting myself in the shoes of the jury member, she is actually giving you the exact motive as to why this would happen. Like, let's really just dissect this for a second. She's referring to this house of cards.

• 1:37:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, anybody with a brain knows that a house of cards, it's one card gets removed and the whole thing crashes down. And so what she explains, I think is completely accurate. There was a point where Bart and Krista were enabling Chandler and they had maybe looked the other way on numerous things where,

• 1:38:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, of course, like parents do.

• 1:38:19Derrick Levasseur?

  When they knew something didn't smell right. But this part here where Bart was finally starting to push back against Chandler was the first indication to Chandler that they were done and they had enough and they were going to start to ask questions and call him out on his bullshit. And he knew, Chandler knew, that this was just the first card to fall. And that once Bart looked into this, he was going to look into other things. And yes, the house of cards would come crashing down and all of his lies that he was already aware of would be exposed. Hence the motive to kill them before that happened. Thank you for explaining that to us, Mrs. Defense Attorney.

• 1:38:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  And she's like, a life insurance policy is a motive? I mean, there's no proof he even needed money. Yeah, he didn't have a job. Yeah, he didn't have a job. He didn't have money. He's asking his girlfriend to give him $5 so he can get a soda and chips. He has no money. So yes, the life insurance policy is a motive, you idiot. And on top of that, like Mitchell's confused. Well, Mitchell is not a little baby bitch boy and doesn't live with his parents, doesn't have access to conversations between his parents or paperwork that his parents would have at the home, showing that there's a life insurance policy. You idiot. Like you should not have even mentioned the life insurance policy during that closing statement. You shouldn't have done that. And she's just so condescending.

• 1:39:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Like you said too, though, just she tried, but there's something that we always talk about in these trials and it's unfortunate or a fortunate aspect of these big cases. Take it how you want, but there's an element of showmanship. And the attorneys on both sides, their personalities become part of the decision-making process. They shouldn't, but they do. And the way you present something and your mannerisms and the tone you use, it matters. That delivery is important. And her delivery here was very flippant, very dismissive to the whole thing.

• 1:40:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Condescending. Yeah, just totally.

• 1:40:17Derrick Levasseur?

  And, and when you think about, People from Wisconsin and their values and how they were going to respond to this, this doesn't seem like something they would gravitate toward.

• 1:40:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  They're like, why are you talking to me like I'm stupid? On top of that, the prosecution does not have to prove motive. So if they say, we don't know Chandler's motive, but we know because of A, B, C, D, E, G, F, all of these reasons that he committed the crime, it doesn't matter. We don't need to understand the motive. And Chandler, somebody like him, who knows? His motive might not seem as valid to a normal sane person, but to him, it may have been plenty of motive.

• 1:40:51Derrick Levasseur?

  It made sense.

• 1:40:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  But we know he did it, and here's why. And she's like, forget all the evidence that says he did it. You don't even know what Bart and Krista were planning to do that weekend.

• 1:41:00Derrick Levasseur?

  And that's something you should know.

• 1:41:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  If you're gonna accuse somebody of doing something, then you should know why. And she said, she kept saying like, and when I was in law school, my professor said, you should know why if you're gonna try. And then the prosecution came up after and they were like, well, thankfully, we're not in law school anymore because we don't need to show you motive. We don't need to prove that. So thanks for wasting our time. I do want to quickly read some comments from the comment section, and I highly suggest you go on YouTube and you listen to the entire defense's closing statements because it's hilarious. I couldn't play the whole thing. It's just great quality content here. So one of the comments says, this is the lawyer equivalent of waiting until the last minute to do your school project that's worth half your grade and failing miserably as a result. Another said, this isn't a closing argument in a high profile murder case.

• 1:41:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  This was Gilda, my sophomore year debate partner, practicing her debate the night before a match after drinking three large sangrias and three hits off my bong. Bless your heart. End quote.

• 1:41:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:41:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  This attorney called Bart Brett a few times during her closing statements. She used the victim's wrong name, which I'm sure the jury wasn't happy about after hearing everything they heard. She glared at the jury. You know, there was these long pauses where she would say something like she thought was impactful, like Reese Witherspoon illegally blonde, and then she'd look at the jury like, let that sink in. Let that sink in, guys. She clicked her tongue at them a bunch. She said, no one knows what happened here. You idiots don't know what happened here, even if you think you've made up your mind. But understand this, the defense put up no case. They called zero witnesses. They presented zero pieces of evidence and Chandler declined to testify in his own defense. So really, all they were doing was wasting everyone's time.

• 1:42:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  And so the jury really only had the prosecution's case to go on, which we can say was a strong case, despite this defense attorney trying to make us feel stupid for recognizing that the prosecution had a strong case. The jury deliberated for just two hours and returned with unanimous guilty verdicts on all counts.

• 1:42:55Derrick Levasseur?

  So what you're saying is it didn't work?

• 1:42:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  It didn't work. I think, in fact, it hurt. I would say it hurt.

• 1:42:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Close.

• 1:43:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  Two months later, Chandler Halderson was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The judge made sure to emphasize that Chandler had executed his parents in cold blood. He then systematically dismembered their bodies to try and cover his dark deeds, and he did all of this with a total lack of remorse or empathy. Now, of course, we know Chandler likes to waste people's time and money, and he tried every appeal, even though his appellate attorney filed a no merit, meaning that his appellate attorney had looked through the entire trial record and found absolutely no grounds to support an appeal. Chandler appealed anyway. He claimed he was denied a fair trial due to ineffective assistance from his trial lawyers, which I can't even argue with that at that point. He said insufficient evidence also, which no, and potential jury bias.

• 1:43:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  If anything biased the jury, it was your entire personality and life that that caused bias to absolutely hate you because you suck. So when that didn't work, Chandler went to the Supreme Court and they officially denied his petition for review, and this effectively ended his entire appeals process. And now Chandler Halderson lives full time at the Dodge Correctional Facility with no Wi-Fi, no video games, no privacy, no sweet girlfriend that he doesn't deserve, and no remaining legal avenues to overturn his life sentence. And honestly, if Wisconsin had the death penalty, he probably would have gotten it, but they don't, so he's lucky for that. But he's there for the long haul. And that's where we are. So I guess there's some justice here, but overall Bart and Krista are gone.

• 1:44:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mitchell lost both of his parents because of his brother. Kat's forever traumatized. I don't think she'll ever trust another person because I wouldn't. Nobody wins, not even Chandler. And I mean, we're happy that Chandler doesn't win, but we're not happy that everybody else lost so much.

• 1:44:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, the only silver lining here is that Chandler is off the streets and he won't be able to hurt anyone else. That is important, but it doesn't change what happened here. And we've dissected this case over these last four episodes. We're probably close to eight, nine hours on this one, maybe more. Great job by law enforcement, dotted their I's, crossed their T's. Seems like they got the right guy and everyone else was vetted as well to make sure they got everyone involved with what happened to Bart and Krista. You know, whenever you think about parents being killed by their own children, it's just, it's something that's difficult for anybody to process, but we can always learn from these cases. And I think there's opportunities here to see that even if you have children living in the home with you, you raised them, you think that things are okay, you have to treat them like everybody else.

• 1:45:27Derrick Levasseur?

  You gotta try to look for those warning signs. But I don't think anybody can prepare for something like this.

• 1:45:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  No.

• 1:45:33Derrick Levasseur?

  You trust your children. You're gonna let your guard down in your own home, and there's really no way to defend this. If it happens, it's just an unfortunate circumstance, and there's nothing that Bart or Krista could have done to prevent this.

• 1:45:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, you could say they could have been harder on him, but anybody who's a parent knows that you don't, you know? You give your kid a good life, you think they're gonna grow to be a good person. You don't think you have to be hard on them because you raised them, right? So you think that when they're acting like a victim or when they're saying that they're being disenfranchised in some way, you think that's genuine because you didn't raise them to be this person. And I cannot for the life of me understand why the defense didn't go for some sort of like mental illness or defect defense. I think that would have been better. Bring in some experts and have them analyze Chandler and show that he, he is like not right in the head, like there is some sociopathic thing happening there or psychopathic thing happening there. I don't think it would have made a difference as far as him being found guilty, but maybe

• 1:46:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  he could have at least gotten some help or some therapy or some sort of assistance in prison. Like, I don't know why they didn't go with a mental defect kind of defense because clearly this person is not right. He's not a normal person.

• 1:46:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, I can tell you this, the, I don't know why, they had a whole defense team with him, but as far as, I believe the woman's name in that video is Crystal Vera. And I was just looking her up. She was part of the state public defender from 2017 to 2026, but she's now moved on to working for the Department of Children and Family Services.

• 1:47:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, that's great.

• 1:47:04Derrick Levasseur?

  She's not a defense attorney anymore, so hopefully she's found her calling because as a defense trial lawyer, at least in that example, wasn't, wasn't a great look for her, but maybe she turned it around. Maybe she learned from her mistakes.

• 1:47:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  She didn't do well in the trial.

• 1:47:16Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, guys, let us know what you think about this case. What are your thoughts on the overall investigation, the trial itself? Is there anything you think that we missed or that there's more to the story than we know? I think it was covered pretty thoroughly. And for anybody who's just joining us because of the series, we have a lot of new viewers coming to the channel. If you want to support some of the things that Stephanie and I are working on, there's a bunch of stuff. You can go on Patreon, you can go on YouTube memberships, but also you can go to our coffee, which is CriminalCoffeeCo.com. We sell coffee and merchandise and we use a portion of the profits to fund cold cases. We've already solved two using those funds, and we're in the process of donating to other organizations and causes and also trying to fund new cases. So if you want to be part of that community and help make a difference on cases that

• 1:48:00Derrick Levasseur?

  are not getting the coverage or justice they deserve, you can go check us out over there. As always, we appreciate you being here. We're gonna be back next week, but until then, everyone stay safe out there. We'll see you soon.

• 1:48:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bye.